How Israel Lost the War | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

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Good morning. It's Wednesday, October 7th, 2026,
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and this is DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl
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Thomas. Today is, of course, the third anniversary
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of the Hamas raid into Israel proper on October
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7th, 2023. So as the Gaza war begins year four,
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I say it's pretty clear that Israel has lost.
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Netanyahu certainly is in deep trouble. We'll
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talk about that. Former CIA officer David J.
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Rush has pled guilty to a very minor, relatively
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minor count of wire fraud, but he apparently
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stole or was involved in the theft of close to
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$200 million. We'll get into that. The EU is
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proposing a series of measures to prepare the
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EU to accept countries like Ukraine and Montenegro,
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but they kind of want to make it more
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tentative, so not all members are equal. At least
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the new ones won't really be equal until they're
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in for at least 15 years. We'll talk about the
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future of the EU. Donald Trump wants to fence
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in the big park right across the street from
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the White House, where there have always been
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protests against the president. We'll talk
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about the implications there. Christa Pike, of
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course, the victim of two botched execution attempts
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in the state of Tennessee, is now still in hospital.
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She's the only person known to have survived,
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quote unquote, lethal injection drugs. Not that
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lethal in this case. She is up and talking, not
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up maybe, but she's talking, and they're expecting
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a long recovery. And the question is, what does
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this all mean for the death penalty, for her
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personally and so on? Please like, follow, and
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if you could do that. Okay, that's a lot of housekeeping.
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Good morning, Jamarl. How are you doing? It has
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been a mess of a day. I'm doing okay. Oh, shit.
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Do you want to talk about it? Yeah.
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7 a.m., booking a show at 7 a.m. is always
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difficult because if you're talking to Americans,
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nobody wants to be up at 7 a.m. Even the host
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of the show doesn't want to be up at 7 a.m.,
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right? So I finally get—nobody picked up. And
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around 3 in the morning, 4 in the morning, Sarah
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hit me up and was like, hey, I'll do the show.
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I didn't see this because it's 3 in the morning.
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And I'm assuming that I am not doing the show
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at 7 a.m. My first guest is at 8 o'clock. And
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I see it. I'm like, oh, damn, Sarah, I bring
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you on. So I have to set up the show. The show
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starts at 7:30 and my mic doesn't work, but whatever
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reason, Sarah starts dancing a jig. All right, yeah.
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She's in. In fact, she says he's left the white girl
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on air to the show. I don't know why that's relevant,
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right? But whatever. For some reason, white women
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have a tendency to bring up the fact that they're
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white women to black men. But she's like, yeah,
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he's left the white woman on the show to do it.
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And she does a good job. She starts talking about
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AI. She starts filling the space and does her
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own thing. She has her own show, right? Finally,
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the mic works. But this is like 7:35, 7. It's
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been five or six minutes of your guest doing
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the show by themselves because nobody can hear
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you. Just a mess. But she's a pro. She knows
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what she's doing. If you ever cannot get a guest
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and if you need someone who will piss off
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three quarters of your audience, or at least get
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engagement going, I know a guy. I got you.
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A guy, usually. Here's the thing, though. For me,
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the guest is usually specific to topic. So
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if you're covering the story, you want the guests
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to cover the story, and I don't like this idea
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of just fucking around with my audience's time,
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for lack of a better term. It's absolutely
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mortifying, the idea that there's
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it. It goes back to even regular
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radio, right? Dead air is absolutely
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verboten, right? You just have to. You
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want it to be there. You want it to start
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out of the gate, like a racehorse.
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Yeah, it screws with you, and it's like you're
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trying to kind of piece things back together
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in order to have a show that works, and it worked,
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right? Caleb was fantastic. Sarah was awesome. Also,
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what is funny? You observed this here,
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Jamarl, right? The truth is most people aren't
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here at the beginning, right? Most people
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come in later. Right now I'm looking at
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the numbers live. We're at 153. I'm sure we'll
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be well over 300 by the end of the hour. And
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by the end of the second hour, we'll probably
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be pushing 400. It's like, so I saw when we first
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came on, there were maybe 30 or 40 people. So
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if we'd screwed up the first minute or two,
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only a tenth of the audience would have
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really known. Yeah, I feel you. I feel you. Usually
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my show starts at either 7 or 7:15. If I've
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eaten my Wheaties and I have a monologue, 7
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o'clock. If not, and it's kind of because
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I don't always have something to say about everything
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that goes on, right? It's usually something that
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bugs me is why the monologue comes into play.
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But you spend most of your day doing process
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stuff. So it's like you're booking the guests,
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cutting the shows. Most of your day is process.
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And so the time to sit down and actually read
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through everything in a way where it bugs
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you and that type of stuff, you have less of
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it. I don't know. Yes, I want stuff to work,
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and I want stuff to work at one point. So let's
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do some comments, and then we'll get to it, get
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to whatever you want to start with tomorrow.
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October 7th should be the start because I didn't
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even realize it was October 7th. My entire show
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was so running. I didn't realize it until you
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said it, but we should start there. Okay, good.
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We'll do that. Let's—Schizo, did you guys hear
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about the Marine that raped a woman in Japan?
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First of all, we'll say a Marine who allegedly
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raped a woman in Japan. They're being forced
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to stay on base, and the Japanese people want
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them out. That's—yeah, this is a recurring
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issue in Okinawa, right? There's a major U.S.
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base there. It's been there since World War II.
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It's basically kind of like, hey, Japanese people,
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don't get spicy again. We're right here. I think
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my cousin was there. The Marines there are off.
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Sorry? I think my cousin was there. My cousin
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was in the military, and I think he was in Japan.
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I know he was in Japan. I think he was in Japan.
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The Okinawans don't seem to want them there.
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They're, obviously, it's a part of the
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economy, but a lot of the—there's
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a long history of U.S. Marines misbehaving there,
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attacking, raping local women. And
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obviously there's a vibrant sex trade going on
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there. So it's unpleasant for
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the locals. And I think if there were a plebiscite,
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I'm sure the Japanese would vote to have that
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base closed and the Americans forced to leave.
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It's not—yeah, this is just another
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step in that direction, right? I don't
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have a lot to say about it except it's embarrassing to—as usual, it's embarrassing
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to be an American. We've colonized the world with
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military bases. It's infinitely conceivable
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that this would happen. Yes, people rape
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in their own country, right? Of course, it's not
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shocking that the people who rape in their own
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country may go to other countries and also commit
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rapes. We would want a higher standard because
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we want to say, well, these are the U.S. military.
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We would like them to be Stargate, right?
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Stargate Command, where the people are decent
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and they try to do the right thing, even in difficult
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circumstances, et cetera. Some people are psychos
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and some people have no issue taking what they
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want. And it just so happens—so I'm going to
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say something that is going to be a little controversial.
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I think if you're a psycho, you're more likely—
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let's put it this way. If psychos are
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probably disproportionately highly represented
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in the military, in a volunteer military, than
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they are than normal people. What I mean
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is I think a lot of people—it's
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if you're
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taking a job that's not paid terribly well in
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which you may be asked to go and kill people
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who haven't done anything to you. That's not
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really the most normal psychology for most people,
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I would say. For a lot of people, though, the
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military, stuff like that, I would agree. But I
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would argue politics. They're more highly representative.
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It's one thing to say, I'm sitting—I, as
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an individual, I'm going to go out because my
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country ideally sends me somewhere to fight and
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to kill, as opposed to the guy that's doing it.
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The guy that's doing it is on another level,
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right? This person or this soldier may kill somebody
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at an individual level. That's assuming they're
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firing a rifle or whatever, or going into a city.
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Another one may fire artillery and kill a certain
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number of people. But the people who are in charge,
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who are effectively allowing this stuff to take
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place and pushing it—I'll give you an example,
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great example. The Ukrainian war never needed
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to take place, right? And over and over again,
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there were multiple steps where Putin was either
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the Minsk agreements or the Istanbul agreements.
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And in each of these situations, Europe killed
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the deal, meaning they pushed this war forward.
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The "Nyet means nyet" memorandum by William Burns
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makes it very clear that the U.S. and Europe
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fully understood the gravity of what was taking
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place, meaning we understand that there is most
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likely going to be a civil war as a result of
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us offering NATO membership to Ukraine. And they
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did it anyway. At no point did they want to stop
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this war, meaning they full well understood the
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number of people that were going to get killed,
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the number of people that were going to die.
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Didn't matter. Now, you could say that those
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people aren't psychopaths. I think they are.
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I think that's insane. I wouldn't disagree with
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that at all. I totally think they're psychopaths.
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They're just a different kind of psychopath.
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And CEOs. Yeah, no, totally. I think they're
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highly representative of certain career things.
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Maybe a soldier, fair enough. The guy who
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got capped by Luigi. Total psycho. Yeah. But
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that's kind of. Well, but that guy's. But right
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now we're talking about the Okinawa situation.
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I'm just saying the kind of person who would
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enlist in the military voluntarily. And again,
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I reiterate the fact that this is not a terribly
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well-paid job, which kind of
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belies the whole. Well, for many,
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Robby's trying to make that point,
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oh, for a lot of people, there's
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no other way. There's always another way. There's
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always a job in a fast food restaurant.
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How do you think my cousin joined the military?
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I don't know your cousin. Oh, that's fair. Fair
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enough. I'll tell you the flat fact. He's not
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a psychopath. I'll tell you that. I would also
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tell you that part of the reason that he joined
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is because many people see the military as a
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job. By the way, I'm not saying all people who
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join the military are psychopaths. I'm saying
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that... I would imagine if you took the
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population, if you said, what percentage of the
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military are psychopaths? I'm going to say probably
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that's a higher number. In fact, the military
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has found that to be true. It's a higher number
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than the population in general. That's all I'm
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saying. I'm sure the vast majority of members
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of the military are not psychopaths. I'm just
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going to say that they're disproportionately
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represented. That's all. I don't know the numbers
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for it, so I don't know the answer for it. And
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you might be right. Especially when you get into
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SEAL Team 6 and those type of things. Well, they're
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more interested in—the military is actually
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actively interested in sociopaths, people who
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don't feel. It's not that they're—sociopaths
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aren't really bad people, but they're people
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who don't feel guilty. For example, if
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they have to kill someone, it doesn't haunt them.
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Well, sociopaths is a little bit different. Sociopaths
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has to do with social incentives that make a
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person or get a person into the mindset that
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this is okay. Let's say you grew up in a
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ghetto. It's a horrible situation, right? Sorry
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to interrupt, but it's also important to say,
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I kind of sort of emphasize
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the kind of person who would join, but then there's
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also what they do to you after you get in,
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after you join, right? That's all. That's not a
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small part of the equation. And then they're also
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putting you in a single-sex environment,
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in many cases, right? So, also,
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the idea that soldiers might be likelier
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to be rapier. That's not surprising either,
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right? It's kind of like Catholic priests
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or any single-sex environment
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or fraternities at Cornell University or
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any single-sex environment is going to
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tend to be a little rapey. But it's not. Okay, well, Cornell University—well, the school
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may be single-sex. They're not trapped. It's not
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a prison. The man can go out. If you're a fraternity
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brother—one of the reasons I would not—okay,
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I had—I totally can speak to this. So at Columbia
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we had the ability to, starting the year that
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I was there, to live in the Barnard dorms if we
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won the housing lottery, right? So you could choose.
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So I was very, very happy that I was one of
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the few guys who got to live at the Barnard dorms.
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All of my guy friends were like, why would
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you want to live over there? You have to live
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and eat in the cafeteria with all those girls.
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I'm like, because you have to. My answer was
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because I want to live and eat with all those
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girls, right? And so, and I was like, why
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do you want to be over here with all these guys,
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right? I was like, why? And
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I guess it's, well, we just
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like it better. But I'm like, I think I'm a little more hetero than you are. Maybe
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that's just what I think. Dorms—we had men
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and women in our dorms. It was great. Well,
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that's what it's like now, but Columbia was a—
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Columbia was—Columbia University, Columbia
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College was a single-sex, all-male school
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until 1983. And then, you're looking at
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the presidents for students for co-education
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right here. And so women were admitted
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in 1983. And so that year we had crossover between
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the Barnard and the Columbia dorms. Now it's
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completely—the Columbia dorms are completely
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co-ed, of course. Well, just to make the point,
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though, basically the argument is, do single-sex
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environments make people more rapey? I think
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that's the argument that's being made. That's
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my argument. I don't have an answer to that.
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I don't have an answer to that. It's because
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militaries, I think, are a bit different.
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I think militaries—there's a culture in militaries
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of rape in general, meaning you take—they
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even got, what, taking booty, right? Hell, you're taking people's entire countries,
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right? So what's the big deal about taking one
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person's body? I know, but often, right, it's
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the one person's body matters less than the fact
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that they've just taken over the entirety of
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the country. But oftentimes the bodies of the
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people that are there become part of the quote
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unquote booty. It's not great. It's not a rah-rah,
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but it's not like it's an ancient mentality.
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To the victor go the spoils, right? Rape and
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pillage. Protecting our young women and our young
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wives. Yeah, wives and women. But on Japan, these
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guys are not at war, right? Meaning the rapey
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thing comes in, I think, because of the pumped-
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up war stuff. These guys aren't at war. They're
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just at a military base. But everyone's well
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aware why they're at that base, right? Why is
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that base there? If you can spit game, you can
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get Japanese women, as my cousin was able to
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do. Just pointing out, you don't have to be a
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rapist, right? Oh, for sure. For sure. Obviously. And look, again, obviously, I'm sure.
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First of all, the U.S. military couldn't function
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if most of its soldiers were rapists, right?
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Obviously, most of them are not. I think
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the key part of the story is they shouldn't be
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in Japan. They shouldn't be in Okinawa. That's
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the key point, right? Well, because they're not
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needed or wanted. So, yes, that's correct. Bad
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Cookies wants to know, Jamarl, you have the answer
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to this question. Do you guys know what is the
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name of Jamarl Thomas's other show? The Jamarl Thomas
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Show. Easy to remember. That's the name. It's
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on my channel, Jamarl Thomas. It's just the Jamarl
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Thomas Show. I have shows all throughout the
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day. Melissa Morgan says, no, Robby, not you.
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Can't have you annoying me on two channels. What?
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In terms of Robby appearing on your show when
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you need help. She's like, no. If I need a right-
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winger, I'll bring him on. Wait, Robby's a right-
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winger? I didn't know that. Okay, Duskburn. I
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thought he was a North Korean communist. Right.
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Most folks I know joined the service because
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they wanted the chance to go to college. That
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too. Daniel says, I was poor and wanted to go
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to college. I got a Pell Grant and a job, no
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need to join the military. Pell Grant doesn't
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pay much, but not that it was the military. Douglas,
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frat boys seem very gay-coded. That's why so
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many end up in the Republican Party. I agree
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with that. That's what I'm trying to say. So
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there were very few frats at Columbia. There
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were only like three when I went there. Total
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membership was under 100 people, right? In a school with, oh, 24,000 people in
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the university, right? So it's nothing. It's
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probably bigger now than it used to be because
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life has just gotten worse. But anyway. I had
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a friend who he was pledged to one of the
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frats there, and he told me what the initiation
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ritual was, which was you had to masturbate onto
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a saltine and then eat it, and then sometimes
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the variant was you had to eat someone else's
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saltine. Oh, that's not gay-coded at all. There's
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nothing gay about that. Nothing gay about that.
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Yeah, I never wanted to be in the frat
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because I thought people could be—that it
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was, I don't know, it was a crowd issue.
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It was a virtue signal issue. I thought,
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okay, these are very weak people that need to
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come together in this way. Granted, that's
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not fair, but that was the way I thought about
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it. The gay thing is—see, that's so funny how—
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oh, I just think of them as, it's
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gay-coded, right? Look, it's like football
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is gay-coded, with the tight pants and they
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grab each other's asses and they're all in the
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locker room together. It's like a gay
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fantasy porn movie, right?
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A lot of American culture is kind of gay.
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Hegseth is gay. Rubio is gay. Right-
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wing culture is very gay. They celebrate
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the masculine, if that's what you mean. Well,
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yeah, in a certain kind of way. Even semen is
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not the most masculine thing in the world. That's
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very gross. The fact that they would, at
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that moment, they should have been like,
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I don't need this. I just walk, right?
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The idea that you sit there and,
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I'm going to eat another man's semen on a cracker
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in order to be part of a fraternity. Really?
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It matters that much to you? That's some insane
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shit. And imagine if they got the video of that.
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I was in marching band in high school and we
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had hazing still. It was the late '70s. And I
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had to, and my hazing was, I was ordered to—
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we were all different, had different shits.
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Some people had to use a toothbrush to clean
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an entire statue. I was told to wear high heels
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for a week in school. Now, I actually, to tell
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you the truth, this was a great experience because
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it really taught me one thing, which is that
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high heels should be banned. And that men who
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require their women to wear high heels are assholes
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because high heels are insanely painful and hard
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to walk in. They should be banned by
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law, along with football. I have tattoos. I have
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a tattoo on the back of my neck. I have one on
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my arm. I have one all over. I think tattoos
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are sexy. Even on women, I think tattoos are
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sexy. I think piercings. What does that have
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to do with high heels? Because it's pain. You're
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paying pain for the luxury of the look. You sound
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like my mom. My mom used to wear all sorts of
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clothes and shoes because she's French. Then
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she was like—I was like, that looks really scratchy
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and uncomfortable. She'd be like, it is. What
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matters is looking good. Exactly. It's that part.
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French. It's like, yeah, it hurts. But the pain
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is payment for the look. That's the way I look
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at it. By the way, did you see the video that's
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going around that's viral? It's of the French
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riots. And it's at a cafe. I don't know which
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city it's in, but there's a middle-aged couple
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and they're just eating their wine. They're drinking
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their red wine and they're eating their food
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and things are burning and blowing up. And every
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now and then they're like, oh yeah, something
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blows up and they're just drinking. And someone
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captioned it, this is the most French thing ever.
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It's so cool. That's awesome. That's so awesome.
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Because that's one of the best parts of France,
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that you guys sit in the cafe hours, just no matter
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what. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, we have—so we're half
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an hour in, almost not even, but we should. Okay,
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Gaza. So it's October 7th, three years ago. We
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all know what happened. Where is Israel now?
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Pardon? It's been three years. I thought it was
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three years. Three years. So
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the point is, what? Right now the big story in Israel,
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they have an election coming up in
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a couple of weeks. Nobody knows how it's going to
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go. It's kind of even, but basically the U.S. is—
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the UAE, Egypt. My cat Clovis. Everybody warned
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Netanyahu that this was going to happen. So obviously
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he knew it was going to happen and decided not
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to do anything about it. So one of
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the stories that we don't cover here much is
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the Israeli economy is in real trouble. They've
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lost 100,000 of the most skilled workers have
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fled the country. The national debt has increased
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a lot. The Israeli businesses have been disrupted
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by so many people being called, being drafted
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into the reserves. Obviously, to me, the big
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influence—Hamas is still gangbusters.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No.
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Israel is deeply diplomatically isolated.
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There's warrants for the prime minister's arrest
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from the ICC. Palestine's being recognized by
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a lot of countries that never would have before.
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Before I did this show, I was talking
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to Spanish government officials who are looking
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to help fund a play that's going to be put
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on in Palestine. I might do the graphic novel
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adaptation for it. Just another example of just
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everybody's pro-Palestine now. Nobody
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likes Israel. U.S. support for Israel is plummeting
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even among Republicans. The point is I
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think it's fair to say that Israel has lost and
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it's never coming back, and it's
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this was an amazing victory on the part of
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Hamas. I think this must have greatly
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exceeded their expectations. They were hoping
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to just change the outcome of negotiations. But
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this has gone beyond that. Israel is
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now facing its biggest existential crisis since
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1948. Yeah. Talk about heels hurting,
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right? This was paid in blood from the standpoint
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of Hamas. And I think I agree with your
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assessment. I think I do. I think it's the cost
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that's difficult to accept. But, yeah, I think
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I agree with your assessment. That the reality
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of it is Israel—the fact that Israel
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is trying to ingratiate itself further into the
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U.S. military gets to your point, right? They
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don't believe that what's coming in the next
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10, 15, 20 years is going to be favorable to
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them. Because they are a pariah state that just
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committed a genocide that the entire world watched
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live-streamed. That's heavy. Right. That's not.
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It's very heavy. You could say when the Germans
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committed their genocide that the public knew,
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but kind of not. It was kind of this. Well,
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we have an idea of something taking place, but
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we haven't seen it. It's not sitting in Germany.
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It's not being live-streamed where each and every
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person around the world can actually watch them
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take glee out of murdering kids. We didn't get
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that opportunity when the Second World War was
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taking place. We got it now. And for all of this
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years of them trying to say, don't believe your
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lying eyes. It's not a genocide. By the way,
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they still push that narrative. It's not a genocide.
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Every single day I see it on social media. There
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is no genocide. That's their talking point on
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the Hasbara channels. And it's like, nobody believes
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you. Nobody believes you. Nobody believes you.
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Keep yelling, idiots. It doesn't help. You're
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just making yourselves look foolish. Which is
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great, because I feel like this is an argument
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that we won. A lot of people think
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political divisions just last forever, but they
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don't last forever. There are things
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that are won and there are things that are lost,
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especially from the standpoint of narratives.
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Rape is looked at as bad, right? That's
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a bad thing. Okay, that's something that somebody
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won. That's an argument that was won, because
00:27:09.890 --> 00:27:12.309
at some point it may not have been necessarily bad.
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It is now. Civil rights. Being racist is not
00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:19.160
necessarily—being racist is frail to put. Okay,
00:27:19.180 --> 00:27:21.140
why? Because the argument was won. And I think
00:27:21.140 --> 00:27:23.779
this is one of those things where this incessant
00:27:23.779 --> 00:27:25.660
push of you're committing a genocide, you're
00:27:25.660 --> 00:27:27.000
committing a genocide, you're murdering women
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:29.119
and children. Here's the videos. Here's the evidence.
00:27:29.460 --> 00:27:32.460
It's so voluminous. You can't turn away. You
00:27:32.460 --> 00:27:33.619
just can't turn away. They lost the argument.
00:27:35.069 --> 00:27:38.049
I think it's really—actually
00:27:38.049 --> 00:27:39.930
very profound what you just said, right?
00:27:39.950 --> 00:27:42.470
Political change does happen, right? But it's
00:27:42.470 --> 00:27:44.410
in fits and starts, kind of like the way evolution
00:27:44.410 --> 00:27:47.730
is. It's like
00:27:47.730 --> 00:27:51.630
a prisoner chipping away at his prison cell wall,
00:27:51.630 --> 00:27:54.849
and he spends years every day, chips a little
00:27:54.849 --> 00:27:58.230
bit, chips away a little more, and then suddenly
00:27:58.230 --> 00:28:03.180
one day, 17 years into it, the wall falls
00:28:03.180 --> 00:28:06.299
into it, falls into the shaft, and he's like, holy,
00:28:06.299 --> 00:28:09.980
I'm standing in the—I'm standing between
00:28:09.980 --> 00:28:14.079
the walls. I can see out, right? And
00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:16.640
that's what political change is like.
00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:18.779
And it could be over something as profound
00:28:18.779 --> 00:28:22.119
as civil rights or not as important
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:24.640
as, say, whether or not you should be able
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to smoke in an office.
00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:31.119
Civil rights, that's a struggle
00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:34.640
that went on for well over 100 years. And
00:28:34.660 --> 00:28:39.940
people grew up, lived full, long lives
00:28:39.940 --> 00:28:42.299
and died thinking that this was never going to
00:28:42.299 --> 00:28:46.349
change. But it did. And that's what
00:28:46.349 --> 00:28:48.990
this is like. It's, I thought
00:28:48.990 --> 00:28:51.190
we would never see a world in which
00:28:51.190 --> 00:28:53.369
the U.S. would turn away from Israel. I'm sure
00:28:53.369 --> 00:28:55.670
that we're going to see a world in which the
00:28:55.670 --> 00:28:59.349
U.S. stops funding. I'm 63. I know I'm going
00:28:59.349 --> 00:29:01.890
to live to see the day that there's not a single
00:29:01.890 --> 00:29:04.109
dollar going from the United States to Israel.
00:29:04.369 --> 00:29:06.089
And I don't think I'm going to have to wait that
00:29:06.089 --> 00:29:09.650
long to see it. I don't know. And I
00:29:09.650 --> 00:29:14.789
just think that's a profound change. Hamas delivered
00:29:14.789 --> 00:29:18.970
the final blow. Here's the part that you're missing.
00:29:19.289 --> 00:29:22.029
And this is—what you're saying is that
00:29:22.029 --> 00:29:25.730
isn't part correct. If you go poll the normal
00:29:25.730 --> 00:29:28.519
person on the street, they're going to tell you
00:29:28.519 --> 00:29:31.039
Israel is a genocidal state. We should have nothing
00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:34.349
to do with it. The problem is that you keep
00:29:34.349 --> 00:29:35.990
thinking that the man on the street actually
00:29:35.990 --> 00:29:38.190
has a say in the so-called democracies in which
00:29:38.190 --> 00:29:43.029
we live. They control the ruling class. That's
00:29:43.029 --> 00:29:45.789
the issue. It doesn't matter what I think, Ted
00:29:45.789 --> 00:29:48.170
Rall thinks, JT thinks, or 90% of the people in
00:29:48.170 --> 00:29:52.730
the chat think. What matters—well, the only
00:29:52.730 --> 00:29:54.990
reason—look, I agree with your point that the
00:29:54.990 --> 00:29:57.309
political class hasn't changed, but I think the
00:29:57.309 --> 00:30:00.210
issue is, in 10 years, is a political class still
00:30:00.210 --> 00:30:02.509
going to be the same political class? That's the
00:30:02.509 --> 00:30:06.049
question. People who are in their 20s now, in
00:30:06.049 --> 00:30:09.589
their 30s, their 40s, now going into politics, then
00:30:09.589 --> 00:30:11.589
what is going to be the position of those people
00:30:11.589 --> 00:30:13.390
when they go into it? Are they going to be rah-
00:30:13.390 --> 00:30:16.200
rah Israel? Are they going to be very skeptical
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:19.940
of the state? That's the question. Because I
00:30:19.940 --> 00:30:22.000
don't believe this is a two-year change. I think
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:24.200
this takes place over 10, 15 years. Oh,
00:30:24.220 --> 00:30:27.180
yeah. It'll be decades. But if there
00:30:27.180 --> 00:30:29.720
is change that happens, it will be after an economic
00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:32.660
collapse, when the banking class is brought down,
00:30:32.819 --> 00:30:36.579
the entire economic system fractures. And then
00:30:36.579 --> 00:30:38.720
normal people, for lack of a better word, have
00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:41.619
a chance to take back some of their power. If
00:30:41.619 --> 00:30:44.019
we just keep limping along right now, just slowly
00:30:44.019 --> 00:30:47.240
boiling the pot, then the people are going to
00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:48.660
continue sleeping. They're going to continue
00:30:48.660 --> 00:30:51.220
watching football, drinking their beer, watching
00:30:51.220 --> 00:30:53.839
their Netflix, hopping over to West Glacier Gaming,
00:30:53.940 --> 00:30:58.000
watching a gaming stream. What dear waste of
00:30:58.000 --> 00:31:02.000
time could there be? No, the people go on. Until
00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:06.390
there's real pain, where the people on the street—
00:31:06.609 --> 00:31:09.049
basically the ruling class has power until they
00:31:09.049 --> 00:31:12.470
don't. When the normal people figure out, hey,
00:31:12.589 --> 00:31:16.410
we can actually inflict change, that's when the
00:31:16.410 --> 00:31:18.809
ruling class breaks. The problem is how long
00:31:18.809 --> 00:31:21.309
is it going to take to get there? 10 years? 50?
00:31:21.509 --> 00:31:25.690
100? Never? That's the question. I'll pick 50.
00:31:26.900 --> 00:31:29.539
Give a good five at the most. Okay, but the thing
00:31:29.539 --> 00:31:33.460
is that—so look, you're—
00:31:33.460 --> 00:31:36.380
Robby's right and Robby's wrong, right? So on the
00:31:36.380 --> 00:31:39.380
one hand, it's certainly true that the ruling
00:31:39.380 --> 00:31:42.480
classes don't give a shit about us and would
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:45.259
love to just ignore the people as much as they
00:31:45.259 --> 00:31:47.180
can. And for the most part, to the extent that
00:31:47.180 --> 00:31:50.430
they can, they do. But when there are certain
00:31:50.430 --> 00:31:52.589
crises that, for example, we're seeing
00:31:52.589 --> 00:31:58.450
in France right now, when things get spicy, they
00:31:58.450 --> 00:32:01.109
can't ignore it anymore. And I'm always—I was
00:32:01.109 --> 00:32:04.630
very taken by when I learned that—by the fact
00:32:04.630 --> 00:32:08.869
that even Nazi Germany,
00:32:08.869 --> 00:32:11.450
which was a totalitarian state that ruled by
00:32:11.450 --> 00:32:15.089
incredible fear, to the point where even
00:32:15.089 --> 00:32:17.269
if you were in the resistance, but your family
00:32:17.269 --> 00:32:21.630
wasn't, they would kill your family. Right.
00:32:21.630 --> 00:32:25.250
The German government nevertheless had a need
00:32:25.250 --> 00:32:29.099
to know what was going on, what people were thinking,
00:32:29.099 --> 00:32:31.980
to the point where they had squads of spies hang
00:32:31.980 --> 00:32:36.480
out in German bars and cafes, eavesdropping people's
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:39.240
conversations about politics, like, hey, so what
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:44.089
do you think about the Führer? And so why would
00:32:44.089 --> 00:32:47.029
a totalitarian state like Nazi Germany care about
00:32:47.029 --> 00:32:49.910
that? Well, obviously, because even if you're
00:32:49.910 --> 00:32:53.049
the leader of North Korea or whatever, the point
00:32:53.049 --> 00:32:55.450
is you have to care what the people think, because
00:32:55.450 --> 00:32:57.990
if you don't, eventually they might come for
00:32:57.990 --> 00:33:02.089
you, like Ceaușescu, right? So I'm just saying
00:33:02.089 --> 00:33:06.029
they have to care sometimes is all I'm saying.
00:33:07.630 --> 00:33:10.430
They don't care until they do care, but they
00:33:10.430 --> 00:33:15.319
have to care sometimes. We're the gopher tortoise
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:19.380
room. Republicans are openly Jewish and secretly
00:33:19.380 --> 00:33:22.140
gay. Democrats are openly gay and secretly Jewish.
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:25.339
I don't know about the Jewish part, but the gay
00:33:25.339 --> 00:33:29.700
part is pretty funny. Schrödinger's cat, Ted,
00:33:29.740 --> 00:33:31.779
is like my crazy uncle that believes in communism.
00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:38.359
Okay. That's all the comment was. Yeah, that's
00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:41.940
all the comment was. Douglas, the Israeli economy
00:33:41.940 --> 00:33:44.359
isn't in trouble. The U.S. economy is, and that's
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:47.799
why they're in the shit. Partly. There's some
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:50.660
truth to that. But, there is
00:33:50.660 --> 00:33:52.700
no Israeli economy without the United States
00:33:52.700 --> 00:33:57.079
economy. Did you see Putin's comments? Daniel
00:33:57.079 --> 00:33:59.099
wants to know about Israel. He repeated the
00:33:59.099 --> 00:34:01.640
same two-state solution line that Western politicians
00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:03.859
repeat and did not want to talk about imposing
00:34:03.859 --> 00:34:07.819
sanctions or break ties with Israel. I did not
00:34:07.819 --> 00:34:14.199
see that. I've seen that. So Putin has a very
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:16.739
weird association with Israel. I've had this
00:34:16.739 --> 00:34:18.960
conversation on my show, and there have been
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:22.030
some people who I think may go a little bit far.
00:34:24.710 --> 00:34:26.170
And he'll praise a little Putin in regards to
00:34:26.170 --> 00:34:28.869
Israel. But there is something there that is
00:34:28.869 --> 00:34:31.130
not necessarily part of the Russian part.
00:34:31.130 --> 00:34:33.570
Meaning, there's a distinction between Putin
00:34:33.570 --> 00:34:36.090
versus Russia in regards to Israel. It seems
00:34:36.090 --> 00:34:40.909
that way. And he seems to be far less,
00:34:41.949 --> 00:34:43.389
for example, they will put out statements. They're
00:34:43.389 --> 00:34:46.199
not going to do anything. And even when it was
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:47.840
the missiles and everything else, Russia
00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:50.659
will protect Syria up to a point. But it was
00:34:50.659 --> 00:34:54.929
still hit by Israel, right? Providing that Israel
00:34:54.929 --> 00:34:57.050
didn't do so much damage. But even that, it's
00:34:57.050 --> 00:34:58.190
like, well, wait a minute, providing they do
00:34:58.190 --> 00:35:01.150
so much damage. It's a very weird relationship
00:35:01.150 --> 00:35:05.030
between Israel and Putin. What do you attribute
00:35:05.030 --> 00:35:09.409
that? Honestly, I don't know. I don't quite get
00:35:09.409 --> 00:35:11.829
it. Because in the conversation I had, I think
00:35:11.829 --> 00:35:12.989
I was making the point of saying this doesn't
00:35:12.989 --> 00:35:15.130
make sense. Because from my point of view, it's
00:35:15.130 --> 00:35:18.050
Israel is obviously a dog of the U.S. Why
00:35:18.050 --> 00:35:21.050
is Putin cozying up to a dog of the U.S. when
00:35:21.289 --> 00:35:23.510
they were being attacked by the same U.S.? Because
00:35:23.510 --> 00:35:27.710
the Soviet Union actually had a mixed relationship
00:35:27.710 --> 00:35:31.659
with Israel too, right? This is actually
00:35:31.659 --> 00:35:33.519
an easy question. Half of the Israeli population
00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:36.019
is Russian. Well, that's it. Yeah, that's what I
00:35:36.019 --> 00:35:40.000
mean. Let's be honest. Why did Putin invade Ukraine?
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:43.239
There's two reasons. One, because
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:44.900
they were flirting with the idea of joining NATO. It's
00:35:44.900 --> 00:35:46.920
never going to happen. Number two, because the
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:51.019
Yukis were attacking ethnic Russians. So there
00:35:51.019 --> 00:35:54.239
you go. The Russian state is one thing. The Russian
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:56.579
nation is another. The nation is the people as
00:35:56.579 --> 00:35:59.019
a whole. Putin regards himself as the protector
00:35:59.019 --> 00:36:02.519
of the Russian nation, not the state, the nation.
00:36:02.860 --> 00:36:05.900
And so if half of your population is—one thing,
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:07.780
I would just strip the Russian citizenship and
00:36:07.780 --> 00:36:09.900
be done with them. You cannot serve two masters.
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:13.980
That's why I'm opposed to dual citizenship. It's
00:36:13.980 --> 00:36:15.980
30%. It's not half. I don't think it's half of
00:36:15.980 --> 00:36:19.050
30%, but whatever. How are you going
00:36:19.050 --> 00:36:21.010
to count it? Are you going to count dual citizens
00:36:21.010 --> 00:36:22.670
on other stuff? Who the hell knows? I'll
00:36:22.670 --> 00:36:27.150
round up. The point is that Russia plays nice
00:36:27.150 --> 00:36:29.829
with them because a significant population, just
00:36:29.829 --> 00:36:34.530
say that, are Russians. That's why. And Putin
00:36:34.530 --> 00:36:39.230
has no balls. And that too. Putin has some balls.
00:36:41.190 --> 00:36:44.030
But he's at ease. He's more careful than he is
00:36:44.030 --> 00:36:47.570
brave. He's very cautious. Yeah, two-state solution
00:36:47.570 --> 00:36:51.289
is ridiculous. Two-state solution is dead.
00:36:51.289 --> 00:36:54.170
Nobody wants it. So none of the parties
00:36:54.170 --> 00:36:56.690
involved want it. And besides which, Israel has
00:36:56.690 --> 00:36:59.070
lost its right. Any right that it ever had to
00:36:59.070 --> 00:37:03.190
exist, which was none, it lost completely. And
00:37:03.190 --> 00:37:05.809
it's completely discredited. It
00:37:05.809 --> 00:37:08.289
can't be trusted. It was created by the world.
00:37:08.389 --> 00:37:11.130
It should be uncreated by the world.
00:37:11.150 --> 00:37:15.440
We need a democratic Republic of Palestine. I
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:18.219
don't think that the people who live there, including
00:37:18.219 --> 00:37:21.420
Israeli Jews, should be expelled. But I think
00:37:21.420 --> 00:37:23.639
they should be one person, one vote,
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:29.280
you guys work it out. That's easier
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:32.800
said than done. You've just massacred a large
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:35.539
part of the population. And now, hey, let's be
00:37:35.539 --> 00:37:40.840
kumbaya. We do have the South Africa
00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:44.500
model, right? That's highly imperfect, but we
00:37:44.500 --> 00:37:47.679
do know it is possible for a post-apartheid
00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:53.300
state to go along without another genocide, right?
00:37:53.460 --> 00:37:55.949
This is more like a German model. For
00:37:55.949 --> 00:38:00.599
one, how do you re-educate those lunatics in
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:03.929
Israel? There's that. Well, you would definitely
00:38:03.929 --> 00:38:05.849
have to have some kind of truth and reconciliation
00:38:05.849 --> 00:38:09.170
style process. You'd have to have, for the worst
00:38:09.170 --> 00:38:11.369
offenders, the people who were at the top. This
00:38:11.369 --> 00:38:14.110
would be like Nuremberg, right? The people, obviously
00:38:14.110 --> 00:38:17.969
cabinet members, Israeli generals, Netanyahu,
00:38:18.090 --> 00:38:20.050
people like that. They all have to be put on
00:38:20.050 --> 00:38:23.309
trial. You have to have war crimes trials for
00:38:23.309 --> 00:38:26.849
those people. But for ordinary IDF idiot who
00:38:26.849 --> 00:38:29.960
went to Gaza as a private, now that person
00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:33.139
just needs some re-education. Yeah, but the problem
00:38:33.139 --> 00:38:36.860
is this is not like the Germans who claim they
00:38:36.860 --> 00:38:41.260
didn't know, meaning it's not like, oh, Hans,
00:38:41.260 --> 00:38:45.400
I never knew. We knew. It smelled. We knew it smelled
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:48.199
funky by the so-called sausage factory, getting
00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:53.320
killed, et cetera. How on earth does the Israeli population
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:57.960
say that? Well, South Africa, certainly the white
00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:00.320
South Africa, the Afrikaners, certainly knew how
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:02.719
Blacks were treated. No question. They
00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:04.739
saw it every day. I know, but there's a difference
00:39:04.739 --> 00:39:06.699
between, okay, we're creating an apartheid state
00:39:06.699 --> 00:39:09.960
versus we're committing a genocide. We are slaughtering
00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:12.400
large numbers of women. There's both of those
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:17.119
issues. Yeah. By the way, just very quietly the
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:21.139
other day, NPR stated that the population of
00:39:21.139 --> 00:39:25.429
Gaza is currently 1.7 million. It was pre-war
00:39:25.429 --> 00:39:29.710
2.3 million. The borders are closed. You do the
00:39:29.710 --> 00:39:36.380
math. 500, right? Yeah, 600,000. So 2.2, and it
00:39:36.380 --> 00:39:41.800
says 1.7. Well, some—it was 2.3. Oh, okay. Yeah.
00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:44.219
Obviously it's an estimate. Israel
00:39:44.219 --> 00:39:47.639
knows exactly to the man, right? But anyway,
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:50.500
so look, before we move on here, I do.
00:39:50.500 --> 00:39:53.940
So we're kind of in agreement that Israel
00:39:53.940 --> 00:39:57.099
really lost. Do you think they have any
00:39:57.099 --> 00:39:59.559
prospects of turning this around? I don't see
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:03.780
it. I don't see how. But if you were—could
00:40:04.070 --> 00:40:06.110
be. We don't have a crystal ball here, but
00:40:06.110 --> 00:40:07.750
it's kind of the job. That's kind of
00:40:07.750 --> 00:40:09.429
what this show is trying to do, is predict the
00:40:09.429 --> 00:40:13.050
future. I don't see any
00:40:13.050 --> 00:40:16.289
world in which the Israelis are able to turn
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:18.639
this around for them in terms of international
00:40:18.639 --> 00:40:22.579
public opinion, which they desperately need. No,
00:40:23.150 --> 00:40:25.130
not for public opinion. They've lost a generation,
00:40:25.130 --> 00:40:30.389
if not more. If
00:40:30.389 --> 00:40:33.760
you think of a show that you used
00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:36.579
to watch as a child, whatever that show is, maybe
00:40:36.579 --> 00:40:40.280
it was a movie, maybe it was a TV show, and or
00:40:41.150 --> 00:40:42.710
let's say think of a girl that you used to know
00:40:42.710 --> 00:40:46.610
when she was in high school, and you see her 40
00:40:46.610 --> 00:40:49.829
years later. She's kind of still the girl
00:40:49.829 --> 00:40:52.869
in high school to you. It's the wildest thing.
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:56.400
It's like they're fixed in time that you knew
00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:58.820
them. They might have had a divorce. They might
00:40:58.820 --> 00:41:00.400
have had a husband die. Hell, they might have
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:03.320
went to prison. They might have had a drug addiction
00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:04.559
and gotten over it. They might have had a drug
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:06.780
addiction. They might have had a string of men
00:41:06.780 --> 00:41:09.159
that treated them poorly. It could be anything,
00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:11.559
right? You're still the girl that you knew in
00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:15.199
high school. Israel is going to be that horrible
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:18.719
shrew that murdered somebody in the high school
00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:22.079
lawn that everybody watched. And then
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:24.280
everybody goes away with remembering that was
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:26.380
the killer. That's who Israel is going to be.
00:41:26.579 --> 00:41:30.099
Just on a radical exponential scale. Yeah, especially
00:41:30.099 --> 00:41:34.440
because they can't. They're never going to go
00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:37.619
the German route and apologize profusely over
00:41:37.619 --> 00:41:40.360
and over and over again, right? And put it in
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:42.719
their textbooks and promise to never do it again
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:46.139
and build memorials and apologize and make restitution.
00:41:46.380 --> 00:41:47.920
They're not going to do any of those things.
00:41:48.139 --> 00:41:50.849
Because they agree. This is not like, oh
00:41:50.849 --> 00:41:52.369
my God, I can't believe this is what we've done.
00:41:53.130 --> 00:41:56.349
It's, even let's say Netanyahu is the vessel
00:41:56.349 --> 00:41:57.710
for this because they're going to blame him as
00:41:57.710 --> 00:41:59.929
the vessel. Oh my God, I can't believe this is
00:41:59.929 --> 00:42:01.789
what Netanyahu did. All of them agree. Yeah,
00:42:01.809 --> 00:42:03.809
that's the Bret Stephens in the New York Times
00:42:03.809 --> 00:42:06.409
take all the time. Oh, you just have to
00:42:06.409 --> 00:42:08.550
get rid of Netanyahu and then everything's fine.
00:42:08.690 --> 00:42:12.170
Dude, you are so high. No, everybody agreed.
00:42:13.389 --> 00:42:17.079
Right? This is not one guy did this. This
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:19.559
is one guy did this. He was pushing out an open
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:24.269
door, right? Yeah, yeah. It's amazing. There
00:42:24.269 --> 00:42:27.090
is no way out of that box. It's not a situation where
00:42:27.090 --> 00:42:29.010
they could say we didn't know, because you knew.
00:42:29.010 --> 00:42:31.289
Everybody knew. It's not a situation where you
00:42:31.289 --> 00:42:32.929
could say it was just him. Well, that's not the
00:42:32.929 --> 00:42:36.059
case, because all of you agreed. How do you fix
00:42:36.059 --> 00:42:39.159
that entity? I have no idea. The German model doesn't
00:42:39.159 --> 00:42:41.179
even work for that, because again, everybody knew
00:42:41.179 --> 00:42:43.340
and everybody agreed all the way, and the government
00:42:43.340 --> 00:42:46.130
changed, and the style of government changed.
00:42:46.130 --> 00:42:49.349
The country was invaded by two superpowers.
00:42:49.349 --> 00:42:52.610
It was divvied up. It was divided into completely
00:42:52.610 --> 00:42:56.969
new forms of government. Everyone in the old
00:42:56.969 --> 00:43:00.190
government was purged and gone, denazified.
00:43:00.190 --> 00:43:03.130
There were war crimes trials. That's not
00:43:03.130 --> 00:43:06.210
good. That would need to happen in Israel too.
00:43:06.210 --> 00:43:10.119
Here's the difference. The vast majority of
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:13.820
the population knows what's going on and they
00:43:13.820 --> 00:43:17.400
support it. The society itself is pathogenic and
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:19.760
it needs to be destroyed. It needs to be burned
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:24.019
to the ground. Yeah, the society is
00:43:24.019 --> 00:43:28.239
toxic and corrupt. It is broken and up beyond
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:31.619
belief. Yeah, I don't know. It's an
00:43:31.619 --> 00:43:35.659
apartheid. Look, any kind of ethno—
00:43:35.659 --> 00:43:40.650
any state based on ethnic superiority has
00:43:40.650 --> 00:43:44.369
no place in the modern era. And it's not viable.
00:43:45.010 --> 00:43:52.309
Agreed. And one last point to it. See, the problem
00:43:52.309 --> 00:43:54.929
is the power structure is set up in a way that
00:43:54.929 --> 00:43:57.409
makes it difficult to do that. Meaning it makes
00:43:57.409 --> 00:43:59.289
it difficult to say we're going to have truth
00:43:59.289 --> 00:44:01.349
and reconciliation. Okay, but how do you do that
00:44:01.349 --> 00:44:03.429
when everybody agrees with what was taking place?
00:44:03.650 --> 00:44:05.820
Keep in mind, this is... In a world where
00:44:05.820 --> 00:44:07.480
the overwhelming majority of the planet say rape
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:09.280
is wrong and rape is punished. Hell, you could
00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:10.679
be punished by death in certain places. You get
00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:13.420
stoned in certain locations, right? Sure. They
00:44:13.420 --> 00:44:16.900
watched a man raped on video. And 60% of the
00:44:16.900 --> 00:44:19.840
population said that's fair game. Yeah, that's
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:23.820
cool. And I always use that because that is so
00:44:23.820 --> 00:44:27.280
mind-blowing. It's one thing. Because
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:31.039
it's so depraved. It's so depraved. And for everybody
00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:33.340
to watch and be like, gang rape should be okay
00:44:33.340 --> 00:44:35.900
against Palestinians. It's like, all right. This
00:44:35.900 --> 00:44:40.199
society shouldn't exist. Yeah, it's just breathtaking.
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:43.659
Calling it broken isn't really fair because
00:44:43.659 --> 00:44:46.500
that implies that it was ever not broken at some
00:44:46.500 --> 00:44:50.019
point, and that's just not true. It was
00:44:50.019 --> 00:44:53.539
a bad seed from the very beginning. All right,
00:44:53.539 --> 00:44:55.599
so what do I talk about? You think it was a bad
00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:59.440
seed because of the genocide? And I think
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:01.559
it was a bad seed from the idea that you're
00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:03.440
coming. There's so many
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:05.960
original sins in this creation of the state
00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:08.659
of Israel, right? But first and
00:45:08.659 --> 00:45:10.300
foremost, the idea that you're going to create
00:45:10.300 --> 00:45:13.519
a state that's based on a religion where
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:15.099
you're going to say this religion, even though
00:45:15.099 --> 00:45:17.780
it's a minority, is going to inherently always
00:45:17.780 --> 00:45:20.619
be in charge. We're going to put its symbol on
00:45:20.619 --> 00:45:23.780
the flag and all other religions need not apply,
00:45:23.780 --> 00:45:25.960
no matter how much of a population they represent.
00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:30.119
That's inherently that's that.
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:32.840
And then not to mention coming in and
00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:36.179
stealing other people's land and territory.
00:45:36.179 --> 00:45:37.739
It's hilarious how the Israelis are like,
00:45:37.739 --> 00:45:40.920
oh, the Arab countries started it. Look, if
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:44.059
you come into my house and then you say, oh, I'll
00:45:44.059 --> 00:45:47.519
share your house with you, and I know I'm going
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:52.340
to kill you if I can, and now I think
00:45:52.340 --> 00:45:54.960
the law is going to say that you started it, not
00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:56.980
me. They're going to say that's a home invasion.
00:45:57.559 --> 00:45:59.920
Raul was standing his ground and defending himself
00:45:59.920 --> 00:46:02.340
in his own house. And even in a liberal state
00:46:02.340 --> 00:46:06.039
like New York, I'm allowed to shoot you. So it's
00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:11.489
ridiculous. I agree. All
00:46:11.489 --> 00:46:13.909
right. I don't know what to do about it. And
00:46:13.909 --> 00:46:16.630
maybe it collapses on its own merits. But I agree
00:46:16.630 --> 00:46:19.030
with you that they've lost this idea of legitimacy
00:46:19.030 --> 00:46:21.010
and credibility from the standpoint of people
00:46:21.010 --> 00:46:22.590
looking at them. They've become a pariah state.
00:46:22.789 --> 00:46:24.730
The people who consider themselves Israelis have
00:46:24.730 --> 00:46:26.570
become pariahs in and of itself just because
00:46:26.570 --> 00:46:31.000
so many of them support this genocide. Yeah,
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:33.400
I don't—the question becomes, what does that turn
00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:36.409
into materially from the standpoint of the destruction
00:46:36.409 --> 00:46:38.730
of the state? You ask the question whether or
00:46:38.730 --> 00:46:41.170
not they could turn this around from optics. No.
00:46:41.170 --> 00:46:43.309
Can they maintain the integrity of the state
00:46:43.309 --> 00:46:46.909
if Iran falls, for example? Meaning there
00:46:46.909 --> 00:46:48.469
has to be a lot of stuff that takes place for
00:46:48.469 --> 00:46:51.329
them. A lot of stuff has to happen,
00:46:51.329 --> 00:46:56.590
right? No. Oh, so my cat's meowing. I'll have to
00:46:56.590 --> 00:46:59.460
let him out. But all right, so we just—it's
00:46:59.460 --> 00:47:01.659
just a reminder, and for everybody who's watching,
00:47:01.659 --> 00:47:03.380
thank you so much for being here on DeProgram
00:47:03.380 --> 00:47:05.420
with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas. We're going till
00:47:05.420 --> 00:47:07.659
11 o'clock Eastern. We have an hour and 15 minutes
00:47:07.659 --> 00:47:11.780
left in the show. So what shall we move to
00:47:11.780 --> 00:47:15.400
for next? That crazy corrupt CIA agent, the
00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:19.480
EU, Lafayette Park, or Christa Pike? Let's go to
00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:21.320
Christa Pike, because I think this
00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:25.949
is always contentious. I like contentious. All
00:47:25.949 --> 00:47:29.650
right. Yeah, as spicy as you would say. What
00:47:29.650 --> 00:47:35.840
should happen to her? Should she be let go? Well,
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:38.199
I think she should probably be released, which
00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:41.039
is probably controversial. But I think the state
00:47:41.039 --> 00:47:43.559
has fucked up. So first of all, I wanted to talk
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:44.840
about something that, when you, me,
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:49.150
and Robby talked about this before. We talk
00:47:49.150 --> 00:47:51.989
about redemption. And I got an email from one
00:47:51.989 --> 00:47:54.650
of our regular listeners who is a former law
00:47:54.650 --> 00:47:57.130
enforcement officer who said that he was very
00:47:57.130 --> 00:47:59.349
right-wing and very—I don't know, actually,
00:47:59.389 --> 00:48:00.630
I don't want to put words in his mouth. He didn't
00:48:00.630 --> 00:48:02.269
say he was right-wing, but he sounded like a
00:48:02.269 --> 00:48:04.570
very traditional law enforcement officer. He's
00:48:04.570 --> 00:48:06.929
probably listening or watching right now. And
00:48:06.929 --> 00:48:10.849
he said that basically he came to believe after
00:48:10.849 --> 00:48:13.250
being exposed to people who were on death row
00:48:13.250 --> 00:48:17.469
that the vast majority of them—he had the same
00:48:17.469 --> 00:48:19.909
take I did when I visited San Quentin and visited
00:48:19.909 --> 00:48:23.369
all the lifers. And basically it was like this.
00:48:23.750 --> 00:48:26.489
Almost all of them had the same story to tell,
00:48:26.610 --> 00:48:31.150
which was I was 18, 19, 20, or 21 years old, specifically
00:48:31.150 --> 00:48:38.070
those ages. I was drunk and/or high and/or stupid.
00:48:38.650 --> 00:48:42.429
And I did this incredibly violent, insane thing
00:48:42.429 --> 00:48:45.099
that hurt or killed—well, that killed. They killed
00:48:45.099 --> 00:48:49.969
someone. You meet these people in their 40s
00:48:49.969 --> 00:48:54.869
or 50s or 60s or 70s, and you can plainly see
00:48:54.869 --> 00:48:58.869
that this is not them trying to
00:48:58.869 --> 00:49:01.630
jawbone their way out of responsibility. It
00:49:01.630 --> 00:49:04.929
is just a stone-cold solid fact that you could
00:49:04.929 --> 00:49:08.090
bet your entire—everything you own and everything
00:49:08.090 --> 00:49:11.510
you ever could own on they would never do anything
00:49:11.510 --> 00:49:14.309
like that now. There's just not the same person.
00:49:14.869 --> 00:49:17.809
Nobody's the same person at 48 as they were at
00:49:17.809 --> 00:49:21.789
18. And it's, you're just—your hormones
00:49:21.789 --> 00:49:24.730
are different. You're wired differently. You're
00:49:24.730 --> 00:49:27.329
just not the same animal in the same way that
00:49:27.329 --> 00:49:30.610
a kitten is not the same thing as an 11-
00:49:30.610 --> 00:49:32.889
year-old cat. There's just not the same animal.
00:49:33.809 --> 00:49:38.369
It's, would you—and I think that the
00:49:38.369 --> 00:49:42.110
Christa Pike that did this, that murdered her
00:49:42.699 --> 00:49:46.659
friend slash acquaintance gratuitously for no—
00:49:46.659 --> 00:49:49.320
for the stupidest of all reasons, in the cruelest
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:52.980
of all ways, is not alive anymore. She died years
00:49:52.980 --> 00:49:58.519
ago. You're punishing someone else, right? And
00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:01.860
I guess it's almost if you had
00:50:01.860 --> 00:50:04.940
killed her back then, it would make more sense.
00:50:04.940 --> 00:50:08.639
But you didn't. You let—because
00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:10.820
of the nature of our system, we let this drag
00:50:10.820 --> 00:50:16.119
on for decades, and now what are you doing?
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:19.360
What is the point of this? The only point
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:22.639
of it, as far as I can see, is to give some satisfaction
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:26.860
to some families of the victims that some
00:50:26.860 --> 00:50:29.280
vengeance has been wrought, because I'd say
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:31.380
some, because some families don't want it.
00:50:31.380 --> 00:50:36.380
And so, and I'm like, I don't think that's enough
00:50:36.380 --> 00:50:39.840
of a societal interest. I think it's, I care
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:42.679
about those families, but when you're enacting
00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:45.599
justice, justice isn't just about the victims.
00:50:46.059 --> 00:50:49.940
When you make car theft illegal, it's not just
00:50:49.940 --> 00:50:52.699
about punishing the person who stole your car.
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:55.199
You're trying to make people not steal cars.
00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:58.159
You're trying to make society generally safer.
00:50:59.300 --> 00:51:02.960
This doesn't benefit any of those things. The
00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:07.059
only thing it accomplishes is making some people's
00:51:07.059 --> 00:51:10.869
fee-fees better. And people's feelings are important.
00:51:11.289 --> 00:51:13.329
Victims' feelings are important. But I don't
00:51:13.329 --> 00:51:16.190
think they balance out to over 51% of the consideration
00:51:16.190 --> 00:51:21.690
here. And this woman, she's been through hell,
00:51:21.769 --> 00:51:25.050
okay? God, what they put her through.
00:51:25.670 --> 00:51:27.469
Really, they want to fucking kill her now? They
00:51:27.469 --> 00:51:29.929
don't even know how to kill her. They tried to
00:51:29.929 --> 00:51:31.570
kill someone else in the state of Tennessee doing
00:51:31.570 --> 00:51:33.869
the same thing earlier this year. They still
00:51:33.869 --> 00:51:35.989
haven't figured out how to kill him now. She
00:51:35.989 --> 00:51:41.219
has to be firing-squadded or hung. They refused.
00:51:41.780 --> 00:51:45.280
She's doing her best to go along with
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:47.260
the death thing. She even tried to tell them
00:51:47.260 --> 00:51:50.739
where to put the needle in. At this point,
00:51:50.820 --> 00:51:55.719
I'm on team Christa Pike. Her lawyers are asking
00:51:55.719 --> 00:51:59.519
the court to commute her sentence to life in
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:02.760
prison without parole. That seems like the least
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:07.309
they can do. I understand your argument. And
00:52:07.309 --> 00:52:12.110
I understand your case. And it makes sense. If
00:52:12.110 --> 00:52:18.739
you do—people change, is there redemption? Do
00:52:18.739 --> 00:52:21.340
people become something else? And I think it's
00:52:21.340 --> 00:52:24.000
fair to say, and I think you're right, that anytime
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:27.480
somebody is in a particular environment, those
00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:29.119
people take on the attributes of the environment.
00:52:29.340 --> 00:52:31.360
And yes, they're who they are, but they're responding
00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:33.559
to a particular environment. And you have some
00:52:33.559 --> 00:52:35.480
environments that people are pointed to that
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:39.059
are far more difficult than others, and people
00:52:39.059 --> 00:52:41.239
would have to play those positions much better.
00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:43.679
Otherwise, they can end up in a situation where
00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:46.780
they end up killing somebody. And that can take
00:52:46.780 --> 00:52:48.559
place at 18, as you point out. They're kids,
00:52:48.739 --> 00:52:51.420
right? I consider 18-year-olds kids. They're
00:52:51.420 --> 00:52:53.679
kids, especially in the United States. They're
00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:55.239
kids. But there's so many kids that make it through
00:52:55.239 --> 00:52:58.909
life without killing somebody. And
00:52:58.989 --> 00:53:03.599
it's a life, right? And I feel like a right-winger
00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:07.980
making this argument. The punishment of it, you
00:53:07.980 --> 00:53:11.809
can make a case. It's not always specific up
00:53:11.809 --> 00:53:14.590
until the point of the person, meaning you are
00:53:14.590 --> 00:53:16.210
being punished. Yes, you committed a murder.
00:53:16.409 --> 00:53:18.369
Yes, this punishment sucks because you're in
00:53:18.369 --> 00:53:21.789
jail for X amount of time. Again, yes. But at
00:53:21.789 --> 00:53:23.889
some point, if indeed the person changes and
00:53:23.889 --> 00:53:25.289
there's a temperamental change because of the
00:53:25.289 --> 00:53:27.650
environment that the person is in, you can make
00:53:27.650 --> 00:53:29.849
an argument that part of the punishment is that
00:53:29.849 --> 00:53:33.000
also. That sounds messed up, but you can make
00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:36.469
that case that, look, your punishment wasn't
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:39.679
for you to be in a state of mind where you realize
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:41.659
you get it and you understand it and it's your
00:53:41.659 --> 00:53:44.579
fault that you killed somebody. It goes beyond
00:53:44.579 --> 00:53:46.900
that point. It's the punishment that continues
00:53:46.900 --> 00:53:49.739
on. It doesn't matter if you've changed into
00:53:49.739 --> 00:53:51.619
a different person. The entire point of the punishment
00:53:51.619 --> 00:53:55.280
is to be punishment that exceeds but X amount.
00:53:55.719 --> 00:53:57.820
Now, you can make the case of saying, well, wait
00:53:57.820 --> 00:54:02.230
a minute. What interest is it of the state to
00:54:02.230 --> 00:54:03.829
continuously punish somebody that has fundamentally
00:54:03.829 --> 00:54:06.030
changed from who they are? How would the state
00:54:06.030 --> 00:54:09.210
know? How does the state know that that person
00:54:09.210 --> 00:54:11.889
has changed? I've seen so many people that have
00:54:11.889 --> 00:54:15.869
been incarcerated over the course of their life,
00:54:15.929 --> 00:54:19.690
and they keep going back with crimes escalating
00:54:19.690 --> 00:54:22.710
in intensity over and over and over again. And
00:54:22.710 --> 00:54:24.510
I would wager to you that if people went to the
00:54:24.510 --> 00:54:25.849
prison and they were talking to them in prison,
00:54:25.929 --> 00:54:28.409
they seem very nice people in prison, right?
00:54:28.809 --> 00:54:31.329
They seem very nice here. They seem like they've
00:54:31.329 --> 00:54:33.949
made a change. Maybe they have. How would I know?
00:54:34.030 --> 00:54:36.219
How would the state know? As you pointed out,
00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:37.820
the state has an interest of keeping people safe.
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:40.500
How does the state know when somebody has committed
00:54:40.500 --> 00:54:43.539
a violent murder that that person has fundamentally
00:54:43.539 --> 00:54:45.800
changed, or that the environment that the person
00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:48.440
is in is the conduit for that change, and that
00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:51.269
that change sticks going forward? If they're
00:54:51.269 --> 00:54:55.559
in their 60s, maybe, right? Some old man, geriatric
00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:57.420
out there like Batman trying to kill somebody.
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:02.219
In their 40s and 30s and 20s, I have no idea.
00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:04.489
There's no way for me to know that. And it's
00:55:04.489 --> 00:55:06.289
the way for me to peer into the soul of the individual
00:55:06.289 --> 00:55:07.889
to see whether that person has changed. I have
00:55:07.889 --> 00:55:09.730
family members that acted that way, by the way,
00:55:09.769 --> 00:55:14.610
that the crimes got worse and worse and worse.
00:55:14.769 --> 00:55:16.429
Every time they were let out of prison, they
00:55:16.429 --> 00:55:19.449
got more and more violent up to the point where
00:55:19.449 --> 00:55:21.230
they just stayed in prison because they committed
00:55:21.230 --> 00:55:26.650
a murder. Right. I'm a hard-ass on this, maybe.
00:55:27.110 --> 00:55:29.269
And I don't want to be. I want to believe
00:55:29.269 --> 00:55:32.530
in this idea of redemption. But what does that
00:55:32.530 --> 00:55:38.420
mean? Right. And I think your
00:55:38.420 --> 00:55:40.019
point is, well, society has to give people a chance.
00:55:40.019 --> 00:55:44.039
I think that's your point. Yeah. Well, if not—
00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:47.599
look, if we're just going to say that
00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:50.139
people are disposable, and look, I'm not—
00:55:50.139 --> 00:55:52.880
I'm not pretending that this is an easy or uncomplicated
00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:55.880
issue. It's not. And look,
00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:58.219
think about the Willie Horton ad that was used
00:55:58.219 --> 00:56:01.239
to defeat Dukakis in 1988, and what was the
00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:03.460
ad about? We always talk about how it was race-
00:56:03.460 --> 00:56:05.719
baiting, and that's what we emphasize, right? But
00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:07.780
what it was basically boiled down to was that
00:56:07.780 --> 00:56:09.820
Michael Dukakis, as governor of Massachusetts,
00:56:09.820 --> 00:56:13.500
had signed off on the parole of Willie Horton.
00:56:13.500 --> 00:56:15.800
He went out and reoffended and killed again,
00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:18.460
right? So therefore the person that he killed
00:56:18.460 --> 00:56:21.179
again, in a way, was partly responsible. Michael
00:56:21.179 --> 00:56:23.380
Dukakis was partly responsible for that happening.
00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:26.139
The point is, when you parole someone
00:56:26.139 --> 00:56:29.139
or you let them go, there is—or even if you
00:56:29.139 --> 00:56:30.719
don't let them go, they might kill someone in
00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:33.619
prison. They might reoffend. It is true that
00:56:33.619 --> 00:56:36.000
you don't know what's in someone's heart, or,
00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:37.780
hell, they might not even know what's
00:56:37.780 --> 00:56:39.920
in their heart. They might not intend to reoffend,
00:56:39.940 --> 00:56:42.400
but they might just go out and do that. And so
00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:46.260
you're taking a gamble, for sure.
00:56:46.260 --> 00:56:48.849
Obviously you'll have psychologists and
00:56:48.849 --> 00:56:51.389
other—and criminologists and other experts
00:56:51.389 --> 00:56:55.010
try to assess whether this person has been redeemed
00:56:55.010 --> 00:56:59.989
or not, but you can't know. And so if I
00:56:59.989 --> 00:57:02.889
think the thing is, we have—the truth is that
00:57:02.889 --> 00:57:06.329
we've let these people survive 10, 20, 30 years
00:57:06.329 --> 00:57:09.369
in prison behind bars beyond the point of
00:57:09.369 --> 00:57:13.119
when they committed these crimes. Now, that's fucked
00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:16.260
up, okay? Because they're now different. So if
00:57:16.260 --> 00:57:20.429
you wanted to say these people are—we've decided
00:57:20.429 --> 00:57:23.690
there's nothing we can do for them or about them,
00:57:23.829 --> 00:57:26.230
then we should just kill them right away and
00:57:26.230 --> 00:57:29.389
be done with it. Save the taxpayers the money
00:57:29.389 --> 00:57:32.769
of incarcerating them. Save them the torture
00:57:32.769 --> 00:57:35.710
of being subjected to all those years
00:57:35.710 --> 00:57:39.949
behind bars. Save the families of the victims
00:57:40.150 --> 00:57:42.989
years of waiting for justice slash retribution.
00:57:43.469 --> 00:57:47.039
Just kill them. I guess I'm saying that's part
00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:51.420
of the cost. If my uncle, for example, drunk-
00:57:51.420 --> 00:57:54.590
drives, he gets caught. He drunk-drives again,
00:57:54.630 --> 00:57:56.349
he gets caught. He drunk-drives again, he gets
00:57:56.349 --> 00:57:59.750
caught. And then they take his license. And then
00:57:59.750 --> 00:58:00.849
in order to get it back, you have to jump through
00:58:00.849 --> 00:58:02.969
all of these hoops. And it takes years to do
00:58:02.969 --> 00:58:06.889
it. And you say to yourself, God damn, I'm never
00:58:06.889 --> 00:58:10.090
going to do this again. I get the lesson. Give
00:58:10.090 --> 00:58:12.210
me my license. And it takes another two years.
00:58:12.550 --> 00:58:16.010
It's part of the cost. It's the
00:58:16.030 --> 00:58:19.849
look. The prison sentence in and of itself
00:58:19.849 --> 00:58:22.570
is part of the cost. The fact that you're in
00:58:22.570 --> 00:58:25.349
there and you change and you mature. You weren't
00:58:25.349 --> 00:58:27.789
sentenced to prison followed by—you weren't—
00:58:27.829 --> 00:58:29.630
when you're sentenced to capital punishment,
00:58:29.849 --> 00:58:32.889
you're not sentenced to any—legally,
00:58:32.949 --> 00:58:36.389
you're not told, oh, you will now spend 30 years
00:58:36.389 --> 00:58:38.690
behind bars and then be executed. You're
00:58:38.730 --> 00:58:40.650
just going to be sentenced to death, right?
00:58:40.730 --> 00:58:42.789
If it was the Wild West, that would have
00:58:42.789 --> 00:58:45.070
happened a few days later, right? Yeah,
00:58:45.070 --> 00:58:46.849
but you don't have to be told that. That's part
00:58:46.849 --> 00:58:48.869
of the cost of the system that we're in, where
00:58:48.869 --> 00:58:52.190
you murder somebody and this is what comes with
00:58:52.190 --> 00:58:56.929
it. You destroyed a life. That's not a minor
00:58:56.929 --> 00:59:02.309
thing. No, it's the most major thing. You eliminated
00:59:02.309 --> 00:59:05.030
all of the potential of another particular person
00:59:05.030 --> 00:59:09.780
while on Earth. And you eliminated whatever children
00:59:09.780 --> 00:59:12.179
and grandchildren they would have had too. If
00:59:12.179 --> 00:59:15.380
there are other parts, or if there are other indicators
00:59:15.380 --> 00:59:18.510
that mitigate this—the man was coming to my
00:59:18.510 --> 00:59:21.329
house, the person was attacking my family member,
00:59:21.409 --> 00:59:23.789
the person was attacking me—you would have me,
00:59:23.869 --> 00:59:27.969
right? You got me. But if it's not that, and you
00:59:27.969 --> 00:59:29.550
eliminate a life, there has to be a consequence
00:59:29.550 --> 00:59:31.380
for that. That person could have lived for 80
00:59:31.380 --> 00:59:33.500
years, right? 90 years. Well, no one's saying
00:59:33.500 --> 00:59:35.420
there should be no consequence. The question
00:59:35.420 --> 00:59:38.539
is what the consequence should be, right? And
00:59:38.539 --> 00:59:42.039
does the consequence—is
00:59:42.039 --> 00:59:44.460
it fair? Does it make sense? But I think primarily,
00:59:44.460 --> 00:59:48.159
since this is a state activity and not vigilantism,
00:59:48.460 --> 00:59:51.139
it should first and foremost—the top priority
00:59:51.139 --> 00:59:54.119
should be to serve state interests.
00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:57.099
If there were—if I were in charge of my socialist
00:59:57.099 --> 00:59:59.099
revolution, that would be my concern, right?
00:59:59.219 --> 01:00:01.199
What do I—and that's the thing
01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:04.860
too. I view all human beings as a resource, as
01:00:04.860 --> 01:00:07.679
valuable, including people who kill people. They're
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:10.139
still—they still have things they can contribute,
01:00:10.139 --> 01:00:13.320
because someone killed someone does not mean
01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:16.659
that they're worthless and can't contribute to
01:00:16.659 --> 01:00:19.590
our GDP and to our greater well-being as a
01:00:19.590 --> 01:00:22.190
society in some way. Think of
01:00:22.190 --> 01:00:24.769
all the prisoners in California who joined the
01:00:24.769 --> 01:00:27.510
smoke jumpers, and they go out and
01:00:27.510 --> 01:00:30.630
help put out wildfires, and some of them die, right?
01:00:30.630 --> 01:00:33.869
They're performing a valuable societal
01:00:33.869 --> 01:00:37.969
function. These are maybe people
01:00:37.969 --> 01:00:40.289
who did a bad thing, but now they're doing good
01:00:40.289 --> 01:00:43.670
things. Look, I don't disagree with you, and
01:00:43.670 --> 01:00:45.590
it's difficult for me to get this argument because
01:00:46.219 --> 01:00:48.219
it's not—I'm not saying that we should feel necessarily
01:00:48.219 --> 01:00:51.760
sorry for them. I'm saying that it's, I'm
01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:53.639
not saying we shouldn't. I'm not saying it's not.
01:00:53.639 --> 01:00:56.059
I'm saying it's not about that. It's about,
01:00:56.059 --> 01:01:00.539
do you really want to keep a million or more
01:01:00.539 --> 01:01:05.579
Americans locked up behind bars every year who
01:01:05.579 --> 01:01:09.079
could be contributing to the economy
01:01:09.079 --> 01:01:11.639
in a more meaningful way than being slave labor,
01:01:11.639 --> 01:01:14.239
putting software packages together,
01:01:14.239 --> 01:01:16.440
or whatever, making license plates, or
01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:20.320
whatever they have? Look, for me, it is very
01:01:20.320 --> 01:01:22.079
difficult for me to make some of these arguments
01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:24.019
because I feel like sometimes I'm falling
01:01:24.019 --> 01:01:25.619
on the right when I'm making these arguments.
01:01:25.619 --> 01:01:27.380
That's okay. The right is right
01:01:27.380 --> 01:01:29.840
sometimes. Sometimes I don't know, but
01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:32.840
I agree with the basic premise that I don't necessarily
01:01:32.840 --> 01:01:36.559
want—for sake, we have 5% of
01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:39.559
the population of the globe and 25% of the populations
01:01:39.559 --> 01:01:42.199
of the globe in our prisons. Meaning, of all
01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:44.119
the people on the planet, 25% of those people
01:01:44.119 --> 01:01:46.260
are in our jails, despite the fact that we only
01:01:46.260 --> 01:01:48.599
have 5% of the country. Maybe the rest of the
01:01:48.599 --> 01:01:51.780
planet is full of wuss countries. Well, no. I
01:01:51.780 --> 01:01:54.489
think something is wrong with us. Yeah, and what
01:01:54.489 --> 01:01:57.469
is that? That's such a screwed-up metric that
01:01:57.469 --> 01:01:59.010
you think to yourself, there are more people
01:01:59.010 --> 01:02:01.630
in our jails than were in the gulags, right?
01:02:02.010 --> 01:02:04.750
The number is astonishing. And you think to yourself,
01:02:04.849 --> 01:02:07.170
what are we doing wrong that all of these people
01:02:07.170 --> 01:02:09.190
are being industrialized into these prisons in
01:02:09.190 --> 01:02:11.369
this way? Now, I would like to separate out,
01:02:11.429 --> 01:02:14.150
though, violent crime versus everything else.
01:02:15.610 --> 01:02:18.050
Violent crime is the issue for me. The everything-
01:02:18.050 --> 01:02:21.210
else stuff that we nickel and dime and find ways
01:02:21.210 --> 01:02:22.909
to fuck people over from the standpoint in our
01:02:22.909 --> 01:02:26.969
system. Look, man, when you have a situation
01:02:26.969 --> 01:02:29.349
where people are growing up in poverty, poverty
01:02:29.349 --> 01:02:31.389
makes people much more likely to commit crimes,
01:02:31.489 --> 01:02:34.130
or at the very least, where there's poverty,
01:02:34.510 --> 01:02:36.809
crime comes with it, because crime becomes a rational
01:02:36.809 --> 01:02:39.550
act. The issue, I would argue, is the poverty.
01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:41.920
That's what I would argue. I would argue deal
01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:45.699
with that. I'll agree with that. I agree with
01:02:45.699 --> 01:02:47.400
you. Let's stay focused on violent crime here.
01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:50.900
Yeah. You are talking about capital punishment.
01:02:51.039 --> 01:02:53.039
Obviously, that's only for violent crime for
01:02:53.039 --> 01:02:55.500
the time being. That is going to be a much smaller
01:02:55.500 --> 01:02:58.019
percentage of the entirety of the prison population
01:02:58.019 --> 01:03:00.739
that is sitting in our jails. So I don't want
01:03:00.739 --> 01:03:02.179
to come across as a hard-ass across the board.
01:03:02.280 --> 01:03:04.119
I'm very specific to violent crime. I don't like
01:03:04.119 --> 01:03:07.440
violent crime. I think that is—there's a thing
01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:11.179
in me. Is there a lobby for violent crime?
01:03:11.260 --> 01:03:13.079
Well, I guess there is. It's called the
01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:17.719
military-industrial complex. But who's a big
01:03:17.719 --> 01:03:21.519
crime? If I'm being honest, I've seen this stuff,
01:03:21.579 --> 01:03:23.519
right? I've seen it in family members. I've
01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:25.699
seen it against family members. My cousin, they
01:03:25.699 --> 01:03:28.150
nearly murdered this guy who she was dating.
01:03:28.309 --> 01:03:30.210
And it always blows my mind when women go to
01:03:30.210 --> 01:03:33.130
jails and think, hey, there's so many available
01:03:33.130 --> 01:03:38.610
men here, right? And it's, they're available
01:03:38.610 --> 01:03:41.349
and they seem to be pretty docile because they're
01:03:41.349 --> 01:03:44.289
in a jail cell, right? You have no idea
01:03:44.289 --> 01:03:46.849
what this entity is when he gets out of jail.
01:03:47.090 --> 01:03:53.349
But the guy goes to my aunt's house, tries to
01:03:53.349 --> 01:03:57.329
murder her, fails at it, and then goes and talks
01:03:57.329 --> 01:03:59.030
to the cops when the cops come. And it's,
01:03:59.110 --> 01:04:01.030
hey, man, I think somebody broke in. Now, they
01:04:01.030 --> 01:04:02.969
eventually put him in a cage and everything else.
01:04:03.309 --> 01:04:07.090
But that guy maybe shouldn't be out. That guy
01:04:07.090 --> 01:04:10.130
doesn't know how to act outside of jail, at least
01:04:10.130 --> 01:04:13.010
for the time being. But the question is, should
01:04:13.010 --> 01:04:16.269
that guy? This is a question. Is there a world
01:04:16.269 --> 01:04:18.769
in which that guy is 62 years old and maybe it's
01:04:18.769 --> 01:04:22.119
time to let him out? I have no idea, because
01:04:22.119 --> 01:04:24.280
for the justice system, but also, have you
01:04:24.280 --> 01:04:27.300
ever been to—I'm just going to say, if you
01:04:27.300 --> 01:04:31.800
go to one of these carceral
01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:36.480
institutions and you meet these people, I guarantee
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:39.179
you, yeah, there's one or two you're like, I'm glad
01:04:39.179 --> 01:04:42.000
you're in here and you should be in here, but
01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:44.639
the vast majority you're going to be like, this is
01:04:45.050 --> 01:04:49.730
ridiculous. It's ridiculous. Dude's pushing walkers
01:04:49.730 --> 01:04:53.679
around. It's really. Some of the best people
01:04:53.679 --> 01:04:56.539
that I've ever met in life have had stints in
01:04:56.539 --> 01:05:01.289
jail. No. Well, one out of four American men do
01:05:01.289 --> 01:05:04.210
go to—do spend time in jail, right? So yeah,
01:05:04.210 --> 01:05:06.590
some of what—some of the best people
01:05:06.590 --> 01:05:10.349
that are new—I was in jail for drawing,
01:05:10.349 --> 01:05:12.829
for putting up political cartoons on the streets
01:05:12.829 --> 01:05:16.230
of New York City. But see, the rub is they didn't
01:05:16.230 --> 01:05:21.690
kill anybody, right? Look, I agree
01:05:21.690 --> 01:05:24.550
with your basic premise. I wanted redemption. I
01:05:24.550 --> 01:05:26.650
don't know what that looks like in real life.
01:05:26.650 --> 01:05:28.550
When you're watching Stargate, for example,
01:05:28.550 --> 01:05:32.469
Teal'c murdered millions. How does Teal'c
01:05:32.469 --> 01:05:35.139
get redemption, and does he ever get redemption, and
01:05:35.139 --> 01:05:36.800
do the things that he does somehow make up for
01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:39.039
the things that he did in the past? I don't have
01:05:39.039 --> 01:05:42.809
an answer for that. That's a kind of Hitler. Could
01:05:42.809 --> 01:05:45.130
a Hitler have gotten redemption, right?
01:05:45.170 --> 01:05:48.070
That's that kind of question, right? Yeah. But
01:05:48.070 --> 01:05:50.449
just for the basic murder thing.
01:05:50.510 --> 01:05:52.909
That guy—remember that guy in, was
01:05:52.909 --> 01:05:56.010
it some Scandinavian country? This guy, right-
01:05:56.010 --> 01:06:02.230
winger, went in Denmark. And he went—or maybe
01:06:02.230 --> 01:06:03.969
it was Sweden. But anyway, it was one of the
01:06:03.969 --> 01:06:06.969
Scandinavian countries. He went to an island
01:06:06.969 --> 01:06:08.949
where there was a retreat for the socialist
01:06:08.949 --> 01:06:11.849
party and killed over a hundred people.
01:06:13.070 --> 01:06:16.269
And because it's a Scandinavian country
01:06:16.269 --> 01:06:21.429
and they have relatively lenient laws, that guy's
01:06:21.429 --> 01:06:24.030
going to be—yeah, he's got 20 years in prison,
01:06:24.090 --> 01:06:26.429
which by American standards is, dude, you
01:06:26.429 --> 01:06:29.750
killed 100-plus people. You're never seeing the
01:06:29.750 --> 01:06:32.210
light of day again, right? It's kind of shocking.
01:06:32.690 --> 01:06:36.699
Well, but isn't that your argument? That, look,
01:06:36.920 --> 01:06:39.480
in 20 years, this dude could be a different guy.
01:06:40.420 --> 01:06:43.199
I think there's a—there's a better—
01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:46.019
in fact, it's likely he'll be a different
01:06:46.019 --> 01:06:51.130
guy. A country can make a decision and say it
01:06:51.159 --> 01:06:55.050
is worth taking a risk to try to redeem a person
01:06:55.050 --> 01:06:58.590
because we care about people that much. It can
01:06:58.590 --> 01:07:01.030
make that choice. It could even
01:07:01.030 --> 01:07:05.599
say, kind of in a Star Trek way, look, even
01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:08.440
if people get killed at times, that is better
01:07:08.440 --> 01:07:12.329
than us throwing people away, because the number
01:07:12.329 --> 01:07:15.110
of people that will be redeemed is much greater
01:07:15.110 --> 01:07:17.250
than the number of people that would die for
01:07:17.250 --> 01:07:20.409
us taking the risk. Society can say that. I think
01:07:20.409 --> 01:07:22.809
that's the place where—that's the place where
01:07:22.809 --> 01:07:26.960
I land. Yeah, but man, that is going to be challenged
01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:31.840
every time somebody kills. People who challenge
01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:34.739
it are not psychos. Okay, I don't
01:07:34.739 --> 01:07:36.889
look at them and think, God, they're meanies,
01:07:36.909 --> 01:07:39.610
they're assholes, they're bad people. I don't
01:07:39.610 --> 01:07:41.289
think that. I just think that this is a tough
01:07:41.289 --> 01:07:43.769
issue, but this is where I'm at at
01:07:43.769 --> 01:07:46.690
this particular point. I think sometimes you're
01:07:46.690 --> 01:07:48.010
a better person than I am. I want to be there.
01:07:48.670 --> 01:07:50.670
Oh, thank you. Thank you, Jamarl. I don't know
01:07:50.670 --> 01:07:55.059
if that's true, though. All right. So, okay. So
01:07:55.059 --> 01:07:58.099
Christa Pike. We'll revisit this. What do you think
01:07:58.099 --> 01:08:00.059
should happen to her specifically? I think they
01:08:00.059 --> 01:08:02.670
should let her go. Do you think she should be
01:08:02.670 --> 01:08:05.420
free, or do you think she should? They had two
01:08:05.420 --> 01:08:07.460
bites of the apple. They tried to kill the woman.
01:08:07.579 --> 01:08:10.380
It didn't work. You've had your shot. The state
01:08:10.380 --> 01:08:12.480
shouldn't just get to, hey, we tried to murder
01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:14.340
her, or we tried to kill her. It didn't work.
01:08:14.420 --> 01:08:15.480
So now we're just going to keep her in prison
01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:19.720
forever. They had their shot. That's how I feel,
01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:24.079
right? Yeah. If the axman hits you and he doesn't
01:08:24.079 --> 01:08:28.239
kill you because he sucks. Grace. That's what
01:08:28.239 --> 01:08:30.640
I think. I think that too. I think that's
01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:32.659
almost an elementary school rule, right?
01:08:32.739 --> 01:08:35.079
We all get that, right? It's
01:08:35.079 --> 01:08:37.640
sort of, yeah, you had your shot. Okay.
01:08:38.260 --> 01:08:41.250
We're in agreement. We're now in the second hour
01:08:41.250 --> 01:08:44.390
of the program, by the way. So if you have, obviously
01:08:44.390 --> 01:08:47.250
we're answering your questions anyway, but all
01:08:47.250 --> 01:08:52.829
right. I have feelings about that. We do. That's
01:08:52.829 --> 01:08:58.439
a touchy issue. Yeah. I don't know why. Paul Green
01:08:58.439 --> 01:09:00.760
Dennis, thanks for the $2. Robby, looking forward
01:09:00.760 --> 01:09:02.500
to your next Bible study. I'm looking forward
01:09:02.500 --> 01:09:05.199
to it also. I plan to attend if Robby invites
01:09:05.199 --> 01:09:08.279
me back. It was really, really fun. No, of course,
01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:10.300
JT, you have an open invitation to come too.
01:09:10.939 --> 01:09:13.819
You'd enjoy it if you're free. I am not a big—
01:09:14.850 --> 01:09:17.949
I'm not a Bible person. It's not really, but
01:09:17.949 --> 01:09:20.050
it's not about—it is about the Bible,
01:09:20.170 --> 01:09:23.590
but it's about how, at least this last one was
01:09:23.590 --> 01:09:27.430
used, how the Bible is used by Zionists to justify
01:09:27.430 --> 01:09:29.770
their arguments. So it's more about logical reasoning
01:09:29.770 --> 01:09:32.510
and arguing. Well, in this case, there's going
01:09:32.510 --> 01:09:34.869
to—how about this? If you do a scene, pick
01:09:34.869 --> 01:09:36.970
a scene from the Bible, and we can debate the
01:09:36.970 --> 01:09:39.710
scene, I'll do that. I'll join. Because at that
01:09:39.710 --> 01:09:40.909
point, it makes sense. If we were talking
01:09:40.909 --> 01:09:42.909
about Stargate, I could just put it in that frame
01:09:42.909 --> 01:09:46.130
of reference, a book or movie
01:09:46.130 --> 01:09:47.869
or TV show or something like that. At that point
01:09:47.869 --> 01:09:50.189
it makes more sense to me. Was David right
01:09:50.189 --> 01:09:52.670
for sending—but that's the easy one. David was
01:09:52.670 --> 01:09:54.529
obviously wrong for sending dude to the military
01:09:54.529 --> 01:09:56.869
to get him killed to have sex with his wife.
01:09:56.869 --> 01:09:58.649
I don't know. You know more of these things than
01:09:58.649 --> 01:09:59.890
I do. Robby, you can come up with a really good
01:09:59.890 --> 01:10:03.170
scenario. Yeah, well, in this case, it really
01:10:03.170 --> 01:10:05.229
goes along with what y'all are talking
01:10:05.229 --> 01:10:08.329
about here, is I will be making the biblical case
01:10:08.329 --> 01:10:14.399
for the death penalty. Oh, really? Yeah. I'm going
01:10:14.399 --> 01:10:16.560
to say Jesus was anti-death
01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:20.050
penalty based on what? Based on the fact that
01:10:20.050 --> 01:10:22.930
he's all, let he who is without sin cast the first
01:10:22.930 --> 01:10:25.310
stone, and nobody's without sin. But here's the
01:10:25.310 --> 01:10:28.869
part, and Christ never—there's nowhere
01:10:28.869 --> 01:10:32.050
where Christ called for killing people.
01:10:32.050 --> 01:10:34.130
You're 100% incorrect. He said, I've
01:10:34.130 --> 01:10:36.409
not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it.
01:10:37.140 --> 01:10:41.119
You, sir, are barking up the wrong tree. And
01:10:41.119 --> 01:10:43.500
also, you've got to remember the context of this.
01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:46.300
The Pharisees are trying to trap Jesus. So I'm
01:10:46.300 --> 01:10:48.760
going to save this for Friday. But what they
01:10:48.760 --> 01:10:50.279
were trying to do, they were trying to trap Jesus.
01:10:50.399 --> 01:10:52.079
They did this with the tax question, and they
01:10:52.079 --> 01:10:54.840
also did with this, because Judea was under Roman
01:10:54.840 --> 01:10:57.899
occupation. Under the Mosaic law, adultery is
01:10:57.899 --> 01:11:00.319
punishable by death. Wait, wait, wait, wait,
01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:02.000
wait, wait. Have the biblical argument on the
01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:06.920
show. We have other stuff to talk about. But
01:11:06.920 --> 01:11:11.539
Ted, if that's the argument you're going to make,
01:11:11.619 --> 01:11:13.659
you've got to at least try to read your Bible
01:11:13.659 --> 01:11:15.939
a little bit, because I will destroy you, sir.
01:11:16.520 --> 01:11:20.739
I have multiple editions. I'll be ready for you.
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All right. Well, I think Robby always overemphasizes
01:11:26.420 --> 01:11:29.979
the Old Testament and underemphasizes the New
01:11:29.979 --> 01:11:32.439
Testament, which is about redemption. And the
01:11:32.439 --> 01:11:35.979
New Testament is basically—there's a supremacy
01:11:35.979 --> 01:11:38.340
clause, right? When there's a conflict between
01:11:38.340 --> 01:11:40.420
the Old and the New Testaments in Christianity,
01:11:40.600 --> 01:11:44.390
the New Testament prevails. So, and Robby claims
01:11:44.390 --> 01:11:47.569
there's no conflicts in the Bible too, which
01:11:47.569 --> 01:11:51.300
is just not true. But okay, we will get into
01:11:51.300 --> 01:11:56.699
that. So let the Bible debates begin. Okay, so what do you
01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:02.840
want to talk about? Should we—I'm sorry.
01:12:02.840 --> 01:12:05.600
Oh, no, I just said Bible wars. It's just great.
01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:08.539
I've always wanted to start an astrology
01:12:08.539 --> 01:12:11.020
channel, but I've always wanted to do it with
01:12:11.020 --> 01:12:13.260
a female host where you can go back and forth.
01:12:13.260 --> 01:12:15.819
Relationship stuff. I think it'd be fun. I've always
01:12:15.819 --> 01:12:18.899
wanted to do an advice channel. Again, I think
01:12:18.899 --> 01:12:21.199
I would need a female co-host with that. Yeah,
01:12:21.199 --> 01:12:23.979
basically relationships and
01:12:23.979 --> 01:12:26.560
that kind of thing would be so fun. People
01:12:26.560 --> 01:12:29.680
are in trouble. At some point, when it's,
01:12:29.680 --> 01:12:31.279
you say something to her, she starts crying. It's,
01:12:31.279 --> 01:12:33.020
oh my God, now you're crying. And I could imagine
01:12:33.020 --> 01:12:35.380
the audience is, he's an asshole. That guy's
01:12:35.380 --> 01:12:37.199
an asshole. The men are, no, that guy has a
01:12:37.199 --> 01:12:42.010
point. I think it works. Totally, totally. Anti,
01:12:42.010 --> 01:12:46.079
thou shalt not kill. Art, are there no contradictions
01:12:46.079 --> 01:12:48.640
in the Bible? Thanks for the $2 from
01:12:48.640 --> 01:12:52.659
Anti. Okay, so what do you want to talk about
01:12:52.659 --> 01:12:54.979
now? Can we just hit Lafayette Park and get it
01:12:54.979 --> 01:12:58.520
out of the way? So Lafayette Park is right
01:12:58.520 --> 01:13:00.399
across the street, right across Pennsylvania Avenue
01:13:00.399 --> 01:13:04.060
from the White House, and over the years
01:13:04.060 --> 01:13:05.899
it's always been a place where there's been a
01:13:05.899 --> 01:13:08.479
lot of protest demonstrations, and
01:13:08.479 --> 01:13:10.880
it's so close to the White House that if they're
01:13:10.880 --> 01:13:14.350
loud enough, the president can hear the protests
01:13:14.350 --> 01:13:17.989
going on. Donald Trump—hey, LBJ, how many kids
01:13:17.989 --> 01:13:22.850
did he kill today? Exactly. Nixon, get the fuck
01:13:22.850 --> 01:13:29.239
out. I remember when the day before Nixon resigned,
01:13:29.539 --> 01:13:32.819
there was a huge mob of people across the street
01:13:32.819 --> 01:13:36.340
from the White House. I was 11 years old. Lafayette
01:13:36.340 --> 01:13:38.720
Park has always been a gathering place. Trump
01:13:38.720 --> 01:13:41.279
just doesn't like it and wants to put a big
01:13:41.279 --> 01:13:44.539
fence around it and turn it into sort of a private-
01:13:44.539 --> 01:13:47.319
public park, kind of like Gramercy Park in New
01:13:47.319 --> 01:13:50.039
York City, which is a private public park where
01:13:50.039 --> 01:13:52.760
you only get to visit it if you have a key to
01:13:52.760 --> 01:13:55.239
the park, and that only goes to people who live
01:13:55.239 --> 01:13:57.939
right next door to it, who happen to all be really
01:13:57.939 --> 01:14:03.239
rich. Anyway, so if he gets his way, you and
01:14:03.239 --> 01:14:06.880
I both know, Jamarl, that no future president,
01:14:07.199 --> 01:14:10.489
including a Democrat, would reopen it and
01:14:10.489 --> 01:14:13.050
tear down the fence, because it would be,
01:14:13.109 --> 01:14:16.029
well, from a security standpoint, and things
01:14:16.029 --> 01:14:18.890
just last, right? These kind of changes always
01:14:18.890 --> 01:14:21.449
stay. Anything that's against the people and
01:14:21.449 --> 01:14:26.050
for the government always stays. I thought this
01:14:26.050 --> 01:14:27.869
was kind of important. It's kind of basically
01:14:27.869 --> 01:14:30.789
the enclosure of the commons, and it's theft of
01:14:30.789 --> 01:14:34.510
public land. And it's just another abolition
01:14:34.510 --> 01:14:37.649
of a way for the American people to try to hold
01:14:37.649 --> 01:14:40.380
their leaders to account. I don't know. I think
01:14:40.380 --> 01:14:43.560
it's kind of a bigger story than maybe a lot
01:14:43.560 --> 01:14:46.960
of outlets are treating it as. Well, it's their
01:14:46.960 --> 01:14:49.920
way of trying to stem protests. If I remember
01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:51.359
correctly, and correct me if I'm wrong on this,
01:14:51.500 --> 01:14:53.600
when during the Nixon protests, they had to put
01:14:53.600 --> 01:14:56.520
buses around the White House because Nixon
01:14:56.520 --> 01:14:58.020
was scared that the people were going to effectively
01:14:58.020 --> 01:15:01.880
raid the White House. Yep. Yep. That's intense.
01:15:03.380 --> 01:15:07.579
Good times. Good times. That's what shit should
01:15:07.579 --> 01:15:10.810
be like. True. Nixon was terrified. And he was,
01:15:10.810 --> 01:15:12.930
if I remember right, telling Kissinger,
01:15:13.050 --> 01:15:14.529
they're going to come and get me, Henry. They're
01:15:14.529 --> 01:15:16.149
going to come and get me. And of course, Henry
01:15:16.149 --> 01:15:17.850
Kissinger was talking to the press behind the
01:15:17.850 --> 01:15:20.529
scenes. Nixon basically writing out what's going
01:15:20.529 --> 01:15:25.670
on in the White House. It should be that. It
01:15:25.670 --> 01:15:28.550
should be that. If Nixon was a progressive president,
01:15:28.670 --> 01:15:31.510
because Nixon was just progressive. Nixon was
01:15:31.510 --> 01:15:32.869
a progressive president because he had all sorts
01:15:32.869 --> 01:15:35.170
of pressure on him to kind of push him in a particular
01:15:35.170 --> 01:15:36.970
direction. The guy was right-winger, but he was
01:15:36.970 --> 01:15:40.329
still more left of center than a Democratic
01:15:40.329 --> 01:15:43.609
Party is at this point, right? Yeah, true. It needs
01:15:43.609 --> 01:15:46.470
to be that. It needs to be pressure. And I get
01:15:46.470 --> 01:15:48.770
the sense, and I understand your take on this,
01:15:48.770 --> 01:15:50.770
that putting the fence is a way of basically
01:15:50.770 --> 01:15:53.130
destroying the capability of the public to try
01:15:53.130 --> 01:15:55.229
to protest. Trump is not doing it because he wants
01:15:55.229 --> 01:15:57.109
to carve off the area. He's doing it because he
01:15:57.109 --> 01:15:59.420
doesn't like the protest. That's why. Well, it's
01:15:59.420 --> 01:16:01.699
just how the DNC—it's the
01:16:01.699 --> 01:16:03.739
Democratic and the Republican National Conventions,
01:16:03.739 --> 01:16:06.119
and the Democrats are actually worse about this.
01:16:06.119 --> 01:16:08.140
And I know because I've been to both of them
01:16:08.140 --> 01:16:11.300
in recent years. They put their protest zones,
01:16:11.300 --> 01:16:15.500
behind fencing, sometimes
01:16:15.500 --> 01:16:18.939
a mile or two miles away from the convention
01:16:18.939 --> 01:16:23.039
center, and then under a freeway. It's
01:16:23.039 --> 01:16:25.819
ridiculous. There is a free speech
01:16:25.819 --> 01:16:30.050
zone, they call it, right? Hey, if a protest
01:16:30.050 --> 01:16:33.310
falls in the woods, does it make a sound? Well,
01:16:33.390 --> 01:16:35.449
no, and there's no cameras to cover it, right?
01:16:36.619 --> 01:16:39.279
A protest zone. I love that. Hey, hey, hey, this
01:16:39.279 --> 01:16:41.520
is free speech. We believe in free speech because
01:16:41.520 --> 01:16:43.239
we're a liberal quarter. We're a liberal country.
01:16:43.699 --> 01:16:47.159
So your zone to have that free speech is miles
01:16:47.159 --> 01:16:50.899
away, right? And then they would
01:16:50.899 --> 01:16:52.460
say with a straight face, what do you mean? We
01:16:52.460 --> 01:16:55.619
allow protests. Protest is not about being allowed.
01:16:55.920 --> 01:16:59.960
Yeah, we allow protests on the moon, but where
01:16:59.960 --> 01:17:03.300
no one will hear. They can make a difference
01:17:03.300 --> 01:17:06.239
or make a sound. Meanwhile, think of the very
01:17:06.239 --> 01:17:09.199
same courts, right? They rule that, for example,
01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:15.420
that they should allow anti-abortion protesters
01:17:15.420 --> 01:17:18.020
within 100 feet of the entrance of an abortion
01:17:18.020 --> 01:17:21.260
clinic, right? So that the 18-year-old girl
01:17:21.260 --> 01:17:25.710
scurrying in to fix their broken condom
01:17:25.710 --> 01:17:28.430
mistake, they have to run a gauntlet of people
01:17:28.430 --> 01:17:32.670
screaming at them. Personally, I thought that
01:17:32.670 --> 01:17:35.829
was a pretty valid decision. I thought that if
01:17:35.829 --> 01:17:38.350
you have free speech, you do have to let pro-
01:17:38.350 --> 01:17:41.510
life people in front of abortion clinics, not
01:17:41.510 --> 01:17:44.529
blocking the door, but frankly, within a reasonable
01:17:44.529 --> 01:17:47.930
distance so that their speech is not only heard,
01:17:48.050 --> 01:17:51.850
but it's relevant. Protesting the president of
01:17:51.850 --> 01:17:53.449
the United States, you should be within shouting
01:17:53.449 --> 01:17:57.529
distance. Is this okay? I know this is a divergent
01:17:57.529 --> 01:18:03.399
thought, but is that—I don't need to hear free
01:18:03.399 --> 01:18:06.359
speech from Randall people because there's none
01:18:06.359 --> 01:18:09.649
of—meaning I suppose if you're on the sidewalk
01:18:09.649 --> 01:18:11.649
or something to that effect, then okay, people
01:18:11.649 --> 01:18:13.210
can be what they do. They can do what they want.
01:18:13.210 --> 01:18:15.409
That's what we're talking about. But the 16-year-
01:18:15.409 --> 01:18:17.989
old girl who made a mistake. Yeah, the 14-year-
01:18:17.989 --> 01:18:21.840
old who made a mistake. Well, the 14-year-old, they
01:18:21.840 --> 01:18:23.630
were raped by her uncle. Shouldn't have to run
01:18:23.630 --> 01:18:27.229
a gauntlet of 30-year-old men screaming at
01:18:27.229 --> 01:18:30.270
her. But maybe she does if she lives in a country
01:18:30.270 --> 01:18:34.409
that values free speech. Yeah, but is it really
01:18:34.409 --> 01:18:36.829
free speech in that sense? Meaning, I guess we're
01:18:36.829 --> 01:18:38.409
free speech in the context of people say what
01:18:38.409 --> 01:18:41.970
they want. Of course it's free speech. But they're
01:18:41.970 --> 01:18:45.890
just—but this is, okay. I don't know. Obviously
01:18:45.890 --> 01:18:49.829
it's free speech. I find it to be. Person, politically,
01:18:49.829 --> 01:18:52.149
I'm opposed to that free speech, but it's still
01:18:52.149 --> 01:18:56.289
free speech, clearly. It's like the Nazis marching
01:18:56.289 --> 01:18:59.050
through Skokie, Illinois. It's free speech.
01:18:59.050 --> 01:19:02.510
It's gross, but it's free speech. So what, they're
01:19:02.510 --> 01:19:05.869
walking on pavement. I'm trying to think of the
01:19:05.869 --> 01:19:08.930
one that's here in Virginia, or how they're
01:19:08.930 --> 01:19:11.069
set up, because I'm trying to figure out how that
01:19:11.069 --> 01:19:13.750
walkway is. But they used to have people screaming
01:19:13.750 --> 01:19:16.829
bloody murder at 14-year-olds who were raped
01:19:16.829 --> 01:19:19.229
by their uncles. Some, that stuff is outrageous.
01:19:19.770 --> 01:19:23.170
But yeah, I suppose free speech. Being
01:19:23.170 --> 01:19:29.050
14 doesn't exempt you from being insulted, offended,
01:19:29.590 --> 01:19:35.210
yelled at, called names. That is true. That is
01:19:35.210 --> 01:19:38.689
true. It's free speech. That's true. And free
01:19:38.689 --> 01:19:41.390
speech isn't always pleasant. All right, so we
01:19:41.390 --> 01:19:45.090
can dispose of that. All right. Okay, let's see
01:19:45.090 --> 01:19:47.390
what else we got here in terms of comments here.
01:19:49.689 --> 01:19:53.210
Jamarl, never mind that this is from Moth36. Never
01:19:53.210 --> 01:19:55.949
mind the fact of Israel killing of all the Palestinians.
01:19:56.090 --> 01:19:58.350
How do you get along with someone who views you
01:19:58.350 --> 01:20:01.189
as less than human just because you're not a
01:20:01.189 --> 01:20:06.699
Jew? Right. Yeah, I agree. No, I agree. I guess
01:20:06.699 --> 01:20:09.420
the question becomes, what do you do with that?
01:20:09.939 --> 01:20:12.300
Which is what I don't have an answer for. Right.
01:20:12.359 --> 01:20:13.819
And I don't know if the world has an answer for.
01:20:15.310 --> 01:20:17.859
No, I don't. That's why I think ultimately the
01:20:17.859 --> 01:20:21.119
state, the whole thing has to be dismantled.
01:20:21.119 --> 01:20:23.060
But even though you're still going to have to deal
01:20:23.060 --> 01:20:25.960
with the people afterwards. So yeah, but it's
01:20:25.960 --> 01:20:31.130
you guys. They are compared to dogs.
01:20:31.130 --> 01:20:33.130
More in the line like that. Yeah, it's not
01:20:33.130 --> 01:20:35.010
even a human being. It's, we just have to
01:20:35.010 --> 01:20:36.989
kill the babies, kill the kids, because they're
01:20:36.989 --> 01:20:38.130
going to be adults anyway and they're going to
01:20:38.130 --> 01:20:39.949
fight us later. So if we kill them now, we can
01:20:39.949 --> 01:20:41.890
avoid that. That's who you're living with.
01:20:41.890 --> 01:20:45.380
And I don't know how you—I don't know what that
01:20:45.380 --> 01:20:47.779
re-education camp looks like. I'll put it that
01:20:47.779 --> 01:20:49.939
way. I don't know what that looks like. And for
01:20:49.939 --> 01:20:52.899
what, 8 million people, give or take? 6 million?
01:20:53.760 --> 01:20:58.880
Yeah. Yeah. Daniel says, I'm anti-death penalty,
01:20:59.159 --> 01:21:00.920
but don't believe in romanticizing criminals
01:21:00.920 --> 01:21:03.000
because they committed crimes when they were
01:21:03.000 --> 01:21:04.779
young. You should still pay for what you do.
01:21:04.840 --> 01:21:06.859
I don't know about romanticizing is the right
01:21:06.859 --> 01:21:11.619
word here. Excusing is probably the word you're
01:21:11.619 --> 01:21:15.000
looking for. It's just not very idealistic. No
01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:17.380
one's romanticizing them like Bonnie and Clyde.
01:21:18.159 --> 01:21:20.460
Look how cool they are. That's
01:21:20.460 --> 01:21:23.220
what romanticizing is. I'm going to defend him
01:21:23.220 --> 01:21:26.380
on this one. I don't think romanticizing is a
01:21:26.380 --> 01:21:31.319
bit strong, but idealistic, very. It sounds very
01:21:31.319 --> 01:21:33.680
idealistic to be, we can have
01:21:33.680 --> 01:21:35.579
redemption. We can do this straight. We can get
01:21:35.579 --> 01:21:38.140
this right. A society should be a society that
01:21:38.140 --> 01:21:40.720
takes a risk, meaning we should. But Jamarl,
01:21:40.819 --> 01:21:43.159
our whole society, our whole justice system,
01:21:43.260 --> 01:21:46.000
all justice systems, for the most
01:21:46.000 --> 01:21:48.760
part, is in some parts based on redemption.
01:21:48.760 --> 01:21:52.399
For example, the idea that you can have
01:21:52.399 --> 01:21:56.699
a—if we believe in a deterrence effect,
01:21:56.800 --> 01:21:59.180
right? Well, deterrence, what is deterrence?
01:21:59.220 --> 01:22:01.420
Deterrence implies that we have the ability, we have
01:22:01.420 --> 01:22:04.300
the ability, we have free will to decide to do
01:22:04.300 --> 01:22:06.680
right instead of to do wrong, right? Oh,
01:22:06.899 --> 01:22:10.439
if I kill someone, I might go to prison. Therefore,
01:22:10.560 --> 01:22:12.880
I'll choose not to kill someone. Why
01:22:12.880 --> 01:22:15.380
do you give—supposedly gives me? The real
01:22:15.380 --> 01:22:17.319
reason you give speeding tickets to motorists
01:22:17.319 --> 01:22:20.079
is to raise revenue. But we pretend
01:22:20.079 --> 01:22:22.539
that we do that in order to dissuade people from
01:22:22.539 --> 01:22:25.140
speeding, and obviously it works. If you issue
01:22:25.140 --> 01:22:27.920
a lot of speeding tickets, people will slow down.
01:22:27.920 --> 01:22:31.399
And that's been shown over and over.
01:22:31.399 --> 01:22:33.960
So we know people can change their behavior.
01:22:34.239 --> 01:22:38.149
We know people who are alcoholics can stop
01:22:38.149 --> 01:22:42.670
drinking. We know people who did bad,
01:22:42.729 --> 01:22:45.270
depending on the crime, certain crimes,
01:22:45.390 --> 01:22:47.850
they can stop doing those things. I don't know
01:22:47.850 --> 01:22:51.630
if Elizabeth Holmes can stop lying. But
01:22:51.630 --> 01:22:54.710
the point is that we all—we're all—
01:22:54.710 --> 01:22:57.449
we assume that everyone's capable of changing
01:22:57.449 --> 01:23:00.630
their behavior. Otherwise, if we didn't believe
01:23:00.630 --> 01:23:02.949
that, we would just say, okay, the first
01:23:02.949 --> 01:23:05.579
time we catch someone driving 100
01:23:05.579 --> 01:23:09.220
miles an hour in a 55, that person's
01:23:09.220 --> 01:23:12.359
never driving again. That would be, if
01:23:12.359 --> 01:23:14.779
we didn't think people could change, that would
01:23:14.779 --> 01:23:16.460
be the smart move, because I don't want those
01:23:16.460 --> 01:23:19.380
people driving 100 miles an hour in a
01:23:19.380 --> 01:23:21.760
55. It's dangerous. I don't want to be on the same
01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:24.720
road as them. But we decide not to do that, right?
01:23:24.720 --> 01:23:30.310
So we—this is just our system. So to say
01:23:30.310 --> 01:23:32.409
that redemption is something we don't believe
01:23:32.409 --> 01:23:36.090
in, we do believe in it. Obviously. They're
01:23:36.090 --> 01:23:39.609
called corrections officers, right? To correct
01:23:39.609 --> 01:23:42.970
people's behavior. They're not called punishment
01:23:42.970 --> 01:23:45.229
officers. But they should be called punishment
01:23:45.229 --> 01:23:47.229
officers, just like the Department of Justice
01:23:47.229 --> 01:23:51.449
or the Department of War, right? It's not defense.
01:23:52.069 --> 01:23:54.329
We're not defending anything. We're going out
01:23:54.329 --> 01:23:55.989
and killing people. It's the Department of War.
01:23:56.050 --> 01:23:59.489
It's more honest. And corrections is the propaganda
01:23:59.489 --> 01:24:01.390
that we use every bit as much as the Department
01:24:01.390 --> 01:24:04.020
of Defense is the propaganda that's used in
01:24:04.020 --> 01:24:06.020
order to cover behavior. They're not correcting
01:24:06.020 --> 01:24:08.119
anything. They're punishing. And you can make the
01:24:08.119 --> 01:24:09.699
argument that the punishment and correction are
01:24:09.699 --> 01:24:13.800
somewhat entangled. Fair enough. But it
01:24:13.800 --> 01:24:16.470
is punishment. That is the point. Certainly punishment,
01:24:16.470 --> 01:24:19.350
right? Yeah, that's it. And look, if that's the only
01:24:19.350 --> 01:24:22.949
point, then I guess my question is, what point
01:24:22.949 --> 01:24:27.859
does it serve? Ideally, I don't want to go to jail,
01:24:27.859 --> 01:24:30.319
so I'm not going to murder Pop. Bob is—
01:24:30.319 --> 01:24:32.270
I'm not going to kill Bob because I don't want
01:24:32.270 --> 01:24:34.090
to go to jail, even if Bob pisses me off and
01:24:34.090 --> 01:24:36.130
I hate Bob. I'm not going to kill him. Yeah,
01:24:36.189 --> 01:24:38.250
you're hoping to change behavior. Well, you're
01:24:38.250 --> 01:24:41.670
trying to deter behavior. I'm deterring Tim.
01:24:41.930 --> 01:24:43.890
But you're also trying to deter not just the
01:24:43.890 --> 01:24:46.710
behavior of people who've never done this,
01:24:46.710 --> 01:24:48.289
committed this crime. You're also trying
01:24:48.289 --> 01:24:50.890
to deter the behavior of the person who has committed
01:24:50.890 --> 01:24:53.430
that crime to make them not reoffend. Right.
01:24:53.550 --> 01:24:55.050
And the death penalty—the number of
01:24:55.050 --> 01:24:56.489
people that are on the death penalty are small,
01:24:56.609 --> 01:24:58.310
obviously, in comparison to the number of people
01:24:58.310 --> 01:25:00.829
that are in jail. Many people get life in prison.
01:25:00.930 --> 01:25:03.229
Many people get 20, 30 years, in which case
01:25:03.229 --> 01:25:05.550
they get out later on in life. It reminds me,
01:25:05.550 --> 01:25:09.109
if you talk about Nidal Hasan, right? Yeah.
01:25:09.130 --> 01:25:12.520
A Fort Hood shooter. But anyway, go ahead. Well,
01:25:12.579 --> 01:25:14.279
I'll just make the point. It's not everybody's
01:25:14.279 --> 01:25:18.819
thrown away. People do get out. Yeah. They do
01:25:18.819 --> 01:25:21.140
get out. People get out after 20 years, 30 years.
01:25:21.619 --> 01:25:25.039
They should. You could say that maybe that's
01:25:25.039 --> 01:25:27.420
too long, because I guess the point is it came
01:25:27.420 --> 01:25:32.079
across very idealistic, this idea of how we
01:25:32.079 --> 01:25:35.000
should treat our prisoners and the willingness
01:25:35.000 --> 01:25:38.079
of a society to be willing to accept additional
01:25:38.079 --> 01:25:40.319
crimes. And by the way, we do. We do it already.
01:25:40.319 --> 01:25:44.310
The rapist who gets out, who most likely will
01:25:44.310 --> 01:25:47.609
rape again. The child predator who gets out, who
01:25:47.609 --> 01:25:49.649
will most likely rape a child again. It's problematic.
01:25:49.649 --> 01:25:52.270
You don't kill these people. They put him in prison.
01:25:52.289 --> 01:25:54.649
We let him out at some point. So we do take risks
01:25:54.649 --> 01:25:59.329
as a society. Also, Grizz has a comment here.
01:25:59.510 --> 01:26:02.210
Don't disagree with Ted. But with a lot of things,
01:26:02.310 --> 01:26:04.390
the answer is bigger than the question. We could
01:26:04.390 --> 01:26:06.369
have a place for people who did something and
01:26:06.369 --> 01:26:08.810
have to carry that if we had a different society.
01:26:09.130 --> 01:26:11.409
That is an interesting point, right?
01:26:11.510 --> 01:26:14.869
There's, at this point, that we
01:26:14.869 --> 01:26:19.789
don't have a lot of gradients of where to store
01:26:19.789 --> 01:26:22.409
people, halfway houses and stuff like that.
01:26:22.409 --> 01:26:27.050
What if we had some kind of venue or territory
01:26:27.050 --> 01:26:30.449
where people are in this gray zone?
01:26:30.449 --> 01:26:32.750
We've kind of—the corrections
01:26:32.750 --> 01:26:35.210
departments have come to conclude that they're
01:26:35.210 --> 01:26:37.229
not—we don't need to execute
01:26:37.229 --> 01:26:38.989
them, or we don't need to keep them in prison
01:26:38.989 --> 01:26:42.369
forever. Pardon. We have Greenland. We can send
01:26:42.369 --> 01:26:45.409
them, take them to Greenland. Or yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:26:45.409 --> 01:26:49.699
Montana, I hear, is free. By the
01:26:49.699 --> 01:26:51.619
way, do you think that we already have the system
01:26:51.619 --> 01:26:53.979
that you're talking about? Because as I make
01:26:53.979 --> 01:26:57.300
the point, we don't execute everybody. The executions
01:26:57.300 --> 01:26:59.840
are very low. Most of the people are either in
01:26:59.840 --> 01:27:01.680
for life, or they get out after 20, 30 years,
01:27:01.760 --> 01:27:03.560
meaning it's still a system where the people
01:27:03.560 --> 01:27:06.399
have changed, as you point out, and reentered
01:27:06.399 --> 01:27:08.989
society, and society takes the risk of whether
01:27:08.989 --> 01:27:10.489
or not those people have actually changed in
01:27:10.489 --> 01:27:12.270
reality, because you can't peer to the soul of
01:27:12.270 --> 01:27:14.449
the person. And by the way, almost nobody reoffends
01:27:14.449 --> 01:27:16.770
in those situations, right? In fact,
01:27:16.770 --> 01:27:19.489
with serial killers, studies have shown that
01:27:19.489 --> 01:27:21.770
almost—the guy that
01:27:21.770 --> 01:27:24.890
they caught in Long Island, right? Horford, or
01:27:24.890 --> 01:27:29.689
whatever his name is. He, Heuermann. That guy.
01:27:29.689 --> 01:27:32.430
He stopped killing a while ago,
01:27:32.430 --> 01:27:34.789
and it's because he kind of aged out of it. Serial
01:27:34.789 --> 01:27:37.899
killers, they see, yeah, they don't do
01:27:37.899 --> 01:27:40.699
it, right? There was the sleeper killer
01:27:40.699 --> 01:27:44.180
in Southern California. That guy, they
01:27:44.180 --> 01:27:46.260
called him that because he went cold. They just—
01:27:46.260 --> 01:27:49.739
they stopped. Humans aren't just—are just not
01:27:49.739 --> 01:27:52.300
into that much gratuitous killing once they
01:27:52.300 --> 01:27:54.699
turn 50, unless they work for the government,
01:27:54.699 --> 01:27:56.920
in which case they're all about sending other
01:27:56.920 --> 01:27:59.479
people to do it. No, but those people would still
01:27:59.479 --> 01:28:02.539
kill. It's opportunity. Their body broke down. It's
01:28:02.539 --> 01:28:04.380
kind of my grandfather. My grandfather
01:28:04.380 --> 01:28:08.380
used to—angry alcoholic. Even when he was
01:28:08.380 --> 01:28:10.739
in his 60s, would still be walking to the store
01:28:10.739 --> 01:28:12.819
in the middle of the snow, in the middle
01:28:12.819 --> 01:28:14.939
of a snowstorm, to get his Aristocrat alcohol,
01:28:14.939 --> 01:28:17.699
to get back home. He would still do it, meaning
01:28:17.699 --> 01:28:20.460
he did it because the drive was there. But when
01:28:20.460 --> 01:28:23.680
the body breaks down, it becomes hard. If you got
01:28:23.680 --> 01:28:26.380
arthritis, it's kind of hard to run up
01:28:26.380 --> 01:28:28.699
on somebody, inject them, take them back to your
01:28:28.699 --> 01:28:31.359
kill lab, and do all of this stuff in the middle
01:28:31.359 --> 01:28:34.420
of video cameras when you're in your 60s. In your
01:28:34.420 --> 01:28:39.800
20s, yeah, 30s, yes. 40s, maybe. 60s, it's hard.
01:28:40.199 --> 01:28:42.060
It's not that the will broke down. The body broke
01:28:42.060 --> 01:28:45.060
down. I'm going to surprise a lot of people because
01:28:45.060 --> 01:28:47.180
a lot of people just think I'm just some kind
01:28:47.180 --> 01:28:49.979
of a hard-ass. And in some ways, I guess that's
01:28:49.979 --> 01:28:55.159
true. I am in no way, shape, or form a defender
01:28:55.159 --> 01:28:57.380
of our current justice system. It's not a justice
01:28:57.380 --> 01:28:59.340
system, it's a legal system. The vast majority
01:28:59.340 --> 01:29:01.699
of people in jail should not be locked up in
01:29:01.699 --> 01:29:05.760
cages for 10, 15, 20, 30 years so the best years
01:29:05.760 --> 01:29:10.399
of their lives are wasted. If you're a drug dealer,
01:29:10.619 --> 01:29:13.239
you should be put down. You're selling poison.
01:29:13.479 --> 01:29:16.159
But if you're an addict, you should get rehab.
01:29:16.659 --> 01:29:18.539
You should go to a vocational school. You should
01:29:18.539 --> 01:29:21.000
learn a trade. If you are a car thief, to your
01:29:21.000 --> 01:29:23.130
point, Ted, that seems to be your—you're hanging
01:29:23.130 --> 01:29:26.989
up right now. Don't steal my car. Although, actually,
01:29:27.069 --> 01:29:29.850
it would be a blessing. I need a new one. Well,
01:29:29.850 --> 01:29:32.510
the point is that there are a lot of things you're
01:29:32.510 --> 01:29:35.270
able to do where you're able to pay restitution,
01:29:35.270 --> 01:29:37.989
to pay off the person that you hurt either physically
01:29:37.989 --> 01:29:41.310
or by stealing their stuff, learn a trade, and
01:29:41.310 --> 01:29:43.850
then become a productive member of society. Felons
01:29:43.850 --> 01:29:45.529
should not have their voting rights stripped
01:29:45.529 --> 01:29:47.569
from them forever. That's dumb. It's stupid.
01:29:48.289 --> 01:29:51.430
Agreed. Our system is not about justice, and
01:29:51.430 --> 01:29:53.729
it's not about redemption. It's about profit.
01:29:54.649 --> 01:29:57.470
That is a statement of fact. That being said,
01:29:57.689 --> 01:30:00.930
if you are intentionally going out of your way
01:30:00.930 --> 01:30:04.529
and you are destroying someone's life, either
01:30:04.529 --> 01:30:07.109
by raping them or selling the poison, that person
01:30:07.109 --> 01:30:09.050
dies of a drug overdose, or if you murder someone,
01:30:10.609 --> 01:30:13.329
you should not be on death row for 30 years.
01:30:14.130 --> 01:30:16.430
After six months, your head should be on a spike.
01:30:16.590 --> 01:30:19.260
I'm sorry. You're done. You're kind of agreeing
01:30:19.260 --> 01:30:21.680
with me, Robby. It's if we're going to
01:30:21.680 --> 01:30:23.739
kill people, we should just kill them and not
01:30:23.739 --> 01:30:26.619
kill them after 23, 40 years. Justice delayed
01:30:26.619 --> 01:30:28.800
is justice denied. There's no justice in the
01:30:28.800 --> 01:30:31.979
system. It is all about profit. And the vast
01:30:31.979 --> 01:30:34.380
majority of people in jail should not be there.
01:30:35.630 --> 01:30:37.409
They should be given a chance. They should get
01:30:37.409 --> 01:30:40.909
education. They should get a chance at starting
01:30:40.909 --> 01:30:42.770
a business. They should have a chance at starting
01:30:42.770 --> 01:30:46.710
a new life. And they should really be made to
01:30:46.710 --> 01:30:49.829
understand the harm that society suffers when
01:30:49.829 --> 01:30:54.010
they commit a crime. That's the Chinese system.
01:30:54.430 --> 01:30:56.750
There's a difference between redemption, which
01:30:56.750 --> 01:30:59.529
I'm a firm believer of, and then giving someone
01:30:59.529 --> 01:31:02.619
and say, oh, well, yeah, sure, you murdered this
01:31:02.619 --> 01:31:05.380
person, but no, 40 years has passed. First of
01:31:05.380 --> 01:31:06.739
all, I shouldn't be sucking air for 40 years.
01:31:06.819 --> 01:31:08.119
So now you're a different person because you
01:31:08.119 --> 01:31:10.199
aged out. No, sorry, your head should be on a
01:31:10.199 --> 01:31:15.020
spike. Look, I would agree. With justice deferred
01:31:15.020 --> 01:31:19.029
is justice not. You have my agreement. And if
01:31:19.029 --> 01:31:26.239
they get all of the legal due process, it's that
01:31:26.239 --> 01:31:29.060
part. It's not that I love. Well, they never
01:31:29.060 --> 01:31:33.270
get due process. Well, due process from the standpoint
01:31:33.270 --> 01:31:36.449
of the legal wranglings that take place, which
01:31:36.449 --> 01:31:38.109
is why this stuff takes place for all of its
01:31:38.109 --> 01:31:39.789
time. But they were mostly
01:31:39.789 --> 01:31:42.109
never properly represented in the first place.
01:31:42.890 --> 01:31:45.109
Well, there's that, too. It depends.
01:31:45.659 --> 01:31:47.359
Most people who are on death row aren't rich,
01:31:47.359 --> 01:31:51.930
right? Right. Yeah. And they're disproportionately
01:31:51.930 --> 01:31:54.949
Black because they're disproportionately poor,
01:31:54.949 --> 01:32:02.010
right? So yeah. Okay, so one comment here
01:32:02.010 --> 01:32:04.909
from Maria Lore. It's really simple. If you participate
01:32:04.909 --> 01:32:07.189
in capital executions, you're an accomplice in
01:32:07.189 --> 01:32:11.020
murder. It is state murder. It is
01:32:11.020 --> 01:32:13.279
state murder. Yeah, the state is making a choice
01:32:13.279 --> 01:32:17.970
for killing. Yes, no question. Which, and they
01:32:17.970 --> 01:32:22.010
up often, which is as we've seen. I would say the
01:32:22.010 --> 01:32:24.810
state of Tennessee has lost its execution
01:32:24.810 --> 01:32:28.149
license. It's, dudes, you can't be trusted
01:32:28.149 --> 01:32:31.770
to execute anyone. You're too stupid. If Tennessee
01:32:31.770 --> 01:32:33.729
can't get this right, either they need to start
01:32:33.729 --> 01:32:36.149
going back to firing squads or adopt the Iranian
01:32:36.149 --> 01:32:38.710
model and throw someone off of a skyscraper. See,
01:32:38.710 --> 01:32:40.909
they don't want to do that because that looks—
01:32:40.909 --> 01:32:47.560
that looks too impolite. And in fact, to
01:32:47.560 --> 01:32:50.079
your point, Jamarl, what's going on here is that
01:32:50.079 --> 01:32:52.060
this system, their current system, which was
01:32:52.060 --> 01:32:55.420
meant to look more polite, is looking rude. It
01:32:55.420 --> 01:33:00.479
looks horrible. It's the look that's really
01:33:00.479 --> 01:33:02.539
fucking them up here. The look is the issue.
01:33:02.659 --> 01:33:05.380
It's, oh man, firing squad looks so violent.
01:33:05.960 --> 01:33:06.939
It looks like we're actually killing somebody.
01:33:06.939 --> 01:33:08.899
But now firing squad's looking a little better.
01:33:09.369 --> 01:33:11.689
Yeah. It's, we want them to look like. Speaking
01:33:11.689 --> 01:33:14.189
of which, firing squad, let's talk about Hasan
01:33:14.189 --> 01:33:18.130
Piker. So Hasan Piker was—sorry, Hasan
01:33:18.130 --> 01:33:20.550
Piker, Nidal Hasan. God, I can't believe it.
01:33:20.550 --> 01:33:24.850
I was, what? Yeah. Different Hasan, right?
01:33:26.250 --> 01:33:33.069
Yeah, so he was the Fort Hood shooter in 2009.
01:33:33.090 --> 01:33:38.689
He was a psychologist, right, at this base in
01:33:38.689 --> 01:33:43.850
Texas. His job was to basically counsel returning
01:33:43.850 --> 01:33:48.289
vets with PTSD from Afghanistan and Iraq. He
01:33:48.289 --> 01:33:52.029
slowly got radicalized, and basically the people
01:33:52.029 --> 01:33:56.210
who sentenced him to death in the military
01:33:56.210 --> 01:34:00.029
tribunal, they said that he was basically that
01:34:00.029 --> 01:34:04.029
the main cause motivation here was Islamic radicalization,
01:34:04.029 --> 01:34:06.850
but they kind of brushed off the fact that he
01:34:06.850 --> 01:34:08.989
was kind of losing his mind even
01:34:08.989 --> 01:34:13.470
before that. Some of his co-workers were questioning
01:34:13.470 --> 01:34:18.369
whether he was psychotic. He—some other
01:34:18.369 --> 01:34:20.770
instructors were worried about him. They said
01:34:20.770 --> 01:34:23.350
that he was checked out, aloof, paranoid, weird-
01:34:23.350 --> 01:34:27.500
ass. And anyway, and then he went on a rampage
01:34:27.500 --> 01:34:31.720
and used grenades and guns to kill his colleagues
01:34:31.720 --> 01:34:34.340
at Fort Hood. And he was sentenced to death.
01:34:35.199 --> 01:34:40.479
He's been languishing since 2009 in the military
01:34:40.479 --> 01:34:45.159
brig. Pete Hegseth, who is heterosexual in all
01:34:45.159 --> 01:34:48.159
respects and not gay and is not attracted to
01:34:48.159 --> 01:34:51.180
men in any way, shape, or form and has a lot of
01:34:51.180 --> 01:34:53.920
testosterone that's not directed towards having
01:34:53.920 --> 01:34:57.520
sex with men's anuses, said that justice is finally
01:34:57.520 --> 01:35:00.699
going to be served and that they're going to
01:35:00.699 --> 01:35:04.359
subject him, and Trump signed off on this, to death
01:35:04.359 --> 01:35:07.520
by firing squad. And they're all very proud of
01:35:07.520 --> 01:35:10.020
this, to the point where the White House is messaging
01:35:10.020 --> 01:35:13.359
this on their official Twitter feed, and they're
01:35:13.359 --> 01:35:16.279
bragging about how they're finally going to carry
01:35:16.279 --> 01:35:20.340
out justice against this guy. My take on
01:35:21.069 --> 01:35:24.630
this guy, not the Sun Piker, Nidal Hasan,
01:35:24.630 --> 01:35:29.189
is that he's a nut, that he's a broken person
01:35:29.189 --> 01:35:33.449
whose mind was fried at some point, and
01:35:33.449 --> 01:35:38.270
they should—the insanity defense didn't
01:35:38.270 --> 01:35:41.550
work. Didn't work. It almost never works in civilian
01:35:41.550 --> 01:35:44.270
court, but it didn't work because it was military
01:35:44.270 --> 01:35:47.510
court, where they have a different system of justice.
01:35:47.510 --> 01:35:50.970
But the point is he should be in a
01:35:50.970 --> 01:35:54.430
psychiatric institution, right? Not subjected
01:35:54.430 --> 01:35:58.640
to firing squad. They shouldn't be proud about
01:35:58.640 --> 01:36:01.930
it. It shouldn't be anything about it. Why are
01:36:01.930 --> 01:36:05.829
you—they're so bloodthirsty and gleeful
01:36:05.829 --> 01:36:08.010
about it. They're having a great time. They're
01:36:08.010 --> 01:36:10.449
congratulating themselves, which I don't quite
01:36:10.449 --> 01:36:12.649
get. Can I just tell you, I think that there's
01:36:12.649 --> 01:36:15.569
a lot of race coding going on here.
01:36:15.569 --> 01:36:17.970
It's the fact that he's Muslim and he has
01:36:17.970 --> 01:36:21.100
that name. Nidal Hasan, they're otherizing
01:36:21.100 --> 01:36:23.619
him. They're, oh, literally
01:36:23.619 --> 01:36:26.359
these days, all the talking points on the right
01:36:26.359 --> 01:36:29.119
on social media are about the evils of Islam.
01:36:29.319 --> 01:36:33.260
Right. Our New York City's evil Muslim mayor
01:36:33.260 --> 01:36:38.260
in France. Cities are burning because Muslims
01:36:38.260 --> 01:36:40.880
are in the schools and are setting them on fire.
01:36:40.979 --> 01:36:44.180
None of this is true. And
01:36:44.180 --> 01:36:47.229
this is, and it's. If this dude were white,
01:36:47.350 --> 01:36:49.510
the guy who blew up the federal building
01:36:49.510 --> 01:36:52.750
in Oklahoma City, they wouldn't be doing this.
01:36:54.590 --> 01:36:58.319
Yeah, I don't get the pride in this. I don't
01:36:58.319 --> 01:37:03.649
get the, a man murders a bunch of people, and
01:37:03.649 --> 01:37:06.890
the process of, quote unquote, justice that takes
01:37:06.890 --> 01:37:10.430
place, it's the process of justice. Turning
01:37:10.430 --> 01:37:12.829
around and somehow boosting this, look
01:37:12.829 --> 01:37:15.069
how great we are because we did so-and-so.
01:37:15.310 --> 01:37:19.300
That doesn't feel right. I can't put my finger
01:37:19.300 --> 01:37:21.039
on it. It doesn't feel right. The chest thump
01:37:21.039 --> 01:37:23.520
it. It's just is what it is, if that makes sense.
01:37:24.250 --> 01:37:26.029
There are all sorts of people who are, as
01:37:26.029 --> 01:37:28.569
you point out, either put to death, put in prison,
01:37:28.729 --> 01:37:30.470
et cetera, et cetera. None of those people get
01:37:30.470 --> 01:37:32.729
the president chest-thumping about X, Y, Z taking
01:37:32.729 --> 01:37:35.350
place. It very well could be the fact that he
01:37:35.350 --> 01:37:39.130
is Muslim that they are effectively languishing
01:37:39.130 --> 01:37:42.369
on. But him being a Muslim most likely had nothing
01:37:42.369 --> 01:37:46.340
to do with this. Anybody could be radicalized.
01:37:47.840 --> 01:37:49.340
Looking at what the United States is effectively
01:37:49.340 --> 01:37:51.199
doing around the world, the killings and everything
01:37:51.199 --> 01:37:53.159
else, you may feel some kind of way about that.
01:37:54.119 --> 01:37:57.430
But that doesn't mean that the people go and
01:37:57.430 --> 01:37:59.890
shoot up a place. Something else may be going
01:37:59.890 --> 01:38:01.569
on here. I agree with you that this is probably
01:38:01.569 --> 01:38:03.850
a psychological thing. I think it's two things.
01:38:05.890 --> 01:38:09.810
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cut you off. No,
01:38:09.890 --> 01:38:12.479
I was saying I think it's two things. One, Trump
01:38:12.479 --> 01:38:14.920
is trying to signal to his base. He knows the
01:38:14.920 --> 01:38:17.159
Republicans are going to get wrecked in November,
01:38:17.340 --> 01:38:19.140
and he's trying to show that he's strong on crime
01:38:19.140 --> 01:38:22.300
and that we're bringing justice to this Islamic
01:38:22.300 --> 01:38:25.079
terrorist. I think that's part of it. It's not
01:38:25.079 --> 01:38:28.199
going to do any good. But on the flip side of
01:38:28.199 --> 01:38:30.760
it, though, I think you see this with Republicans
01:38:30.760 --> 01:38:33.949
and Democrats. They love the idea of killing.
01:38:34.550 --> 01:38:37.229
They love the idea of killing. There is no greater
01:38:37.229 --> 01:38:40.050
power that anyone can have than to take a life.
01:38:40.380 --> 01:38:42.359
There's no greater power. It's a thrill. It's
01:38:42.359 --> 01:38:44.789
like a drug to these people. There's one thing about killing someone out of justice.
01:38:48.630 --> 01:38:50.729
The government should be the sort of the
01:38:50.729 --> 01:38:52.850
state show, but it should be about justice. This
01:38:52.850 --> 01:38:54.989
is about justice. This is them getting
01:38:54.989 --> 01:38:58.810
off on killing, which is wrong. There's
01:38:58.810 --> 01:39:02.750
no such thing as justice. There are approximations
01:39:02.750 --> 01:39:05.390
that people have in their minds of trying to
01:39:05.390 --> 01:39:07.329
balance an equation that can never be balanced,
01:39:07.329 --> 01:39:10.399
because whatever the fuck just happened still
01:39:10.399 --> 01:39:12.760
exists. I don't believe in the thing of justice.
01:39:13.020 --> 01:39:16.869
People may try to give revenge. They can try
01:39:16.869 --> 01:39:21.810
to create deterrence. Justice is hard because
01:39:21.810 --> 01:39:24.409
so many people think of it different ways. Robby
01:39:24.409 --> 01:39:26.529
thinks it's justice to kill a drug dealer. I
01:39:26.529 --> 01:39:29.069
don't. Which one is right? Depends upon who you
01:39:29.069 --> 01:39:31.880
talk to, right? Society can come up with all
01:39:31.880 --> 01:39:34.539
sorts of ideas of what some kind of approximation
01:39:34.539 --> 01:39:37.699
is in order to balance an equation. I don't know
01:39:37.699 --> 01:39:39.479
the equation. I don't know how you balance the
01:39:39.479 --> 01:39:42.109
equation. In this case, the guy killed a lot
01:39:42.109 --> 01:39:44.390
of people. They're going to execute him for it.
01:39:45.050 --> 01:39:49.170
Does it balance an equation? Not really. Not
01:39:49.170 --> 01:39:51.529
really. I don't know. There's something
01:39:51.689 --> 01:39:56.350
nasty in chest-thumping this. I get the
01:39:56.350 --> 01:39:58.590
state does what the state does, but murder shouldn't
01:39:58.590 --> 01:40:00.909
necessarily be something that people applaud,
01:40:01.659 --> 01:40:05.659
really. Let's definitely have it on television.
01:40:06.140 --> 01:40:08.739
That's what I was about to say. Do y'all think
01:40:08.739 --> 01:40:10.420
that Trump would sell pay-per-view tickets?
01:40:11.060 --> 01:40:14.229
I could see it. You get to see us waste this
01:40:14.229 --> 01:40:16.310
time. No, it should be free. It should be on
01:40:16.310 --> 01:40:18.909
C-SPAN. Trump doesn't do nothing for free. It's
01:40:18.909 --> 01:40:21.890
always a good detail. There's always a good detail.
01:40:22.409 --> 01:40:24.930
And Laura Loomer would be right there. She'd
01:40:24.930 --> 01:40:27.229
be cheerleading it. We're going to send this
01:40:27.229 --> 01:40:31.409
evil dog-eating Muslim to meet his God. We're
01:40:31.409 --> 01:40:32.529
going to be doing it. They're going to get off
01:40:32.529 --> 01:40:35.689
on it when his brains are splattered out of
01:40:35.689 --> 01:40:38.590
his body as a courtesy of the U.S. taxpayer.
01:40:39.420 --> 01:40:41.359
It's going to come as a mercy to him. You can look at his face. He
01:40:44.239 --> 01:40:48.960
is so tortured and fucked up. He's a soldier.
01:40:50.460 --> 01:40:53.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I strongly suspect, I think
01:40:53.079 --> 01:40:54.619
I agree with you. If this was in a regular court,
01:40:55.250 --> 01:40:57.850
he might have gotten off on insanity stuff. But
01:40:57.850 --> 01:40:59.829
I don't know. Sometimes when the killing is bad,
01:41:00.170 --> 01:41:04.890
the insanity plea just doesn't work. The insanity
01:41:04.890 --> 01:41:08.109
plea doesn't—it works only a small fraction
01:41:08.109 --> 01:41:10.989
of the time that it ought to. Yeah, I think most—I think a lot of people who kill people
01:41:14.250 --> 01:41:17.699
are psychotic. That's—this could create—if everybody who was
01:41:20.279 --> 01:41:22.899
truly insane, and let's say we could climb into
01:41:22.899 --> 01:41:25.199
their brains under the hood and really determine
01:41:25.199 --> 01:41:27.520
that, we may get to that point to be able to do
01:41:27.520 --> 01:41:30.939
that, right? At some point it might be determined
01:41:30.939 --> 01:41:33.779
just simply by a certain level of amino acids
01:41:33.779 --> 01:41:36.359
that, oh, this person's insane. We
01:41:36.359 --> 01:41:38.420
were able to determine that beyond a shadow of
01:41:38.420 --> 01:41:43.340
a doubt. And it's probably half of half
01:41:43.340 --> 01:41:45.909
of everybody who's convicted of murder
01:41:45.909 --> 01:41:48.989
probably should be sent to an asylum instead,
01:41:48.989 --> 01:41:53.989
instead of prison. I think a lot about
01:41:53.989 --> 01:41:57.170
the human system later, meaning we are—have
01:41:57.170 --> 01:41:59.710
you seen those things that they can hook up
01:41:59.710 --> 01:42:01.529
to a person's brain and see what the person on
01:42:01.529 --> 01:42:03.229
some level is thinking? The computer is making
01:42:03.229 --> 01:42:06.069
an interpretation, but it makes your horse running,
01:42:06.069 --> 01:42:08.069
and it says you're thinking of a horse, and person
01:42:08.069 --> 01:42:10.390
saying yes, yes. On some level that's terrifying.
01:42:10.390 --> 01:42:13.489
On some level that stuff is exciting. There's
01:42:13.489 --> 01:42:17.090
stuff like this. It's cool, kind of. But it's
01:42:17.090 --> 01:42:19.590
frightening also, yeah. Yeah, it's a capitalistic
01:42:19.590 --> 01:42:21.390
system, man. They're not making that stuff
01:42:21.390 --> 01:42:25.630
for my benefit, or just because they're curious
01:42:25.630 --> 01:42:28.970
and want the knowledge, right? Yeah. Right. There's
01:42:28.970 --> 01:42:30.590
a motivation for it, because somebody has to pay
01:42:30.590 --> 01:42:31.989
for the equipment. Somebody has to pay for the
01:42:31.989 --> 01:42:33.350
time. Somebody has to pay for it, et cetera,
01:42:33.430 --> 01:42:35.489
et cetera, which means they're doing it under
01:42:35.489 --> 01:42:37.149
this idea that this is going to be profitable
01:42:37.149 --> 01:42:39.670
later. Okay, profitable how? Well, we may have
01:42:39.670 --> 01:42:41.609
brain devices that can look into a person's brain.
01:42:41.789 --> 01:42:44.699
Okay, well, what about control? Can you also
01:42:44.699 --> 01:42:46.340
send electrical signals to the brain in order
01:42:46.340 --> 01:42:48.600
to control the individual itself? Okay, well,
01:42:48.659 --> 01:42:53.710
that terrifies me. That's terrifying. It's one
01:42:53.710 --> 01:42:56.789
thing if we were in a kumbaya world, you had
01:42:56.789 --> 01:43:00.520
your communist utopia, planned economy, the world
01:43:00.520 --> 01:43:02.859
is great. We're at the end of history. There's
01:43:02.859 --> 01:43:05.890
no poverty. There's no capitalistic instinct
01:43:05.890 --> 01:43:08.609
of, hey, we need to make a huge profit on this.
01:43:08.949 --> 01:43:10.770
We're making technology because of the benefit
01:43:10.770 --> 01:43:13.229
of society. Okay, then fair enough. I'm there.
01:43:14.409 --> 01:43:18.670
But just robots? No. Or them putting you on a
01:43:18.670 --> 01:43:20.609
lie detector in a courtroom and they can look
01:43:20.609 --> 01:43:21.909
in your brain and they're asking you questions
01:43:21.909 --> 01:43:23.729
and everything shows up on the thing and they
01:43:23.729 --> 01:43:26.909
can get a legal document, a court order to plug
01:43:26.909 --> 01:43:29.369
you into this machine to see your thoughts. I
01:43:29.369 --> 01:43:33.510
don't know if I want that. Absolutely. It's also
01:43:33.510 --> 01:43:35.609
the last place where we still have some privacy,
01:43:35.770 --> 01:43:41.279
right? Yeah. The last frontier. European Union.
01:43:42.699 --> 01:43:46.800
So they're—I don't know how I feel about the
01:43:46.800 --> 01:43:50.060
fact that, so it has 27 members already.
01:43:50.239 --> 01:43:54.439
They want to expand further. They want to, the
01:43:54.439 --> 01:44:01.279
EU. They want to, so in order—the countries
01:44:01.279 --> 01:44:04.319
that are next in line, they say, are Montenegro,
01:44:04.319 --> 01:44:07.300
Albania. Those make sense. They're in Europe.
01:44:07.579 --> 01:44:13.199
But Ukraine and Moldova, are they really in Europe?
01:44:13.220 --> 01:44:17.159
-ish, on the edges anyway, on the periphery
01:44:17.159 --> 01:44:21.260
of Europe. Anyway, so they're talking about,
01:44:21.260 --> 01:44:25.680
pardon, it depends on whether you think Russia
01:44:25.680 --> 01:44:29.300
is Europe, meaning if you think it's Europe, then
01:44:29.300 --> 01:44:31.399
Ukraine is part of Europe. Historically,
01:44:31.399 --> 01:44:34.680
yeah, historically Western Russia has been considered
01:44:34.680 --> 01:44:37.560
part of Europe, right? So okay, fine, fair enough.
01:44:37.560 --> 01:44:43.149
So anyway, the point is, and I know that
01:44:43.149 --> 01:44:45.510
this is not really a Russia thing. The Russians
01:44:45.510 --> 01:44:48.909
don't even care if the Ukrainians join the EU.
01:44:49.130 --> 01:44:51.810
They're fine with it. I don't know that. That's
01:44:51.810 --> 01:44:55.489
what Putin said. Putin says he has no issue with
01:44:55.489 --> 01:44:57.250
it at all. He said it over and over and over.
01:44:57.350 --> 01:45:00.149
I think it actually would serve to Russia's advantage
01:45:00.149 --> 01:45:03.550
to have an EU member state run on its border,
01:45:03.550 --> 01:45:05.810
because in the future they'd be able to trade
01:45:05.810 --> 01:45:09.340
with it and it would be right there. I don't
01:45:09.340 --> 01:45:11.800
know. Because the EU has become so militarized.
01:45:13.520 --> 01:45:17.310
In the very beginning, maybe. But now, keep in mind that there was the entire impetus
01:45:19.890 --> 01:45:22.949
of this. Rees-Mogg often didn't necessarily
01:45:22.949 --> 01:45:25.670
want to bring this up. I would bring it up. Part
01:45:25.670 --> 01:45:28.350
of the reason that the war took place in the
01:45:28.350 --> 01:45:31.130
first place. Ukraine was given a deal by Europe.
01:45:32.010 --> 01:45:34.050
Ukraine was given a deal by the Russians. The
01:45:34.050 --> 01:45:36.109
Russian deal was obviously better. The Europeans
01:45:36.109 --> 01:45:38.210
were pushing Ukraine to take that deal. Ukraine
01:45:38.210 --> 01:45:40.970
didn't take that deal. And all hell broke loose,
01:45:41.579 --> 01:45:44.649
which means there was a closeness
01:45:44.649 --> 01:45:48.069
attempted with trying to get Ukraine into
01:45:48.069 --> 01:45:50.029
the EU, or at the very least to be some kind
01:45:50.029 --> 01:45:51.550
of trade deal with the European Union that would
01:45:51.550 --> 01:45:53.550
have locked it into all sorts of things where
01:45:53.550 --> 01:45:55.350
it could necessarily make deals and trades with
01:45:55.350 --> 01:45:58.210
Russia. I don't know if Russia is going to be
01:45:58.210 --> 01:46:00.109
okay with that going forward. For one,
01:46:00.229 --> 01:46:02.069
I don't even know, I don't even believe Ukraine
01:46:02.069 --> 01:46:03.869
is going to maintain the government it has now.
01:46:04.779 --> 01:46:08.340
So a Russian puppet government of Ukraine
01:46:08.340 --> 01:46:13.399
being part of the European Union, maybe.
01:46:13.399 --> 01:46:16.319
I don't know. That's where this is relevant, and
01:46:16.319 --> 01:46:18.500
I think actually what you're saying is so
01:46:18.500 --> 01:46:22.319
germane to this. So in order—they have—they've just—the European
01:46:24.739 --> 01:46:28.380
Commission has just promoted some more some
01:46:28.380 --> 01:46:31.579
reforms for what requirements there would be
01:46:31.579 --> 01:46:35.140
for new member states, including Ukraine, right?
01:46:35.140 --> 01:46:37.300
So one of them is what they could—they want to
01:46:37.300 --> 01:46:40.199
prevent democratic backsliding. They're comparing
01:46:40.199 --> 01:46:44.149
it to Viktor Orbán in Hungary. So they want to
01:46:44.149 --> 01:46:46.510
know. So they're saying that they would have—
01:46:46.510 --> 01:46:49.789
if once you're admitted to the EU as a new state,
01:46:49.970 --> 01:46:52.890
you would be kind of on probation for 15 years.
01:46:53.489 --> 01:46:57.630
And then if you rolled back rule of law or human
01:46:57.630 --> 01:47:00.729
rights reforms, then your money, your funding
01:47:00.729 --> 01:47:03.390
would be frozen and your council voting rights
01:47:03.390 --> 01:47:07.770
would be suspended. Obviously, that's
01:47:07.770 --> 01:47:09.850
seems to be targeted at countries like Ukraine, which,
01:47:09.909 --> 01:47:14.229
as you say, may very well end up with a different
01:47:14.229 --> 01:47:17.670
form of government post-Zelensky. Well, but Ukraine is a democracy with no Nazis. Right.
01:47:21.890 --> 01:47:24.850
It's a democracy with no elections. And it's
01:47:24.850 --> 01:47:29.229
got a Jewish president who has no problem going
01:47:29.229 --> 01:47:31.449
to memorial services for Nazi collaborators.
01:47:31.890 --> 01:47:34.649
Right. But I'm just making an argument like this.
01:47:34.829 --> 01:47:37.529
I'm making a joke about how they, well, there
01:47:37.529 --> 01:47:39.510
are no Nazis in Ukraine, and this is obviously
01:47:39.510 --> 01:47:41.970
a bastion of democracy, and people aren't being
01:47:41.970 --> 01:47:44.489
snatched off the streets by goons and thugs and
01:47:44.489 --> 01:47:46.869
thrown in the jeeps and cars and driven to their
01:47:46.869 --> 01:47:48.909
deaths. No, none of those things are happening.
01:47:48.909 --> 01:47:50.890
And by the way, they still say that. They still
01:47:50.890 --> 01:47:54.039
say there are no press gangs, and you can see
01:47:54.039 --> 01:47:56.060
video after video after video. There are no Nazis
01:47:56.060 --> 01:48:00.039
in Ukraine. There were German tanks with Nazi insignias
01:48:00.039 --> 01:48:02.760
riding through Kursk for the first time in
01:48:02.760 --> 01:48:05.909
60, 70 years, right? Don't give me this nonsense,
01:48:05.909 --> 01:48:08.869
right? I don't know how this puppet government
01:48:08.869 --> 01:48:10.970
that will be put into play when the war ends,
01:48:10.970 --> 01:48:13.689
because Ukraine will lose, and they are not, right?
01:48:13.689 --> 01:48:16.930
Russia is not going to allow this puppet or this
01:48:16.930 --> 01:48:19.989
government that is effectively a foil for
01:48:19.989 --> 01:48:21.970
them. They're not going to tolerate a
01:48:21.970 --> 01:48:26.170
Yanukovych-type situation again, where
01:48:26.170 --> 01:48:29.229
they have an ally but who's weak. They're going
01:48:29.229 --> 01:48:31.550
to need to have their person
01:48:31.550 --> 01:48:35.359
in. Their person. And so this notion of joining
01:48:35.359 --> 01:48:38.220
the European Union, it's, how does that
01:48:38.220 --> 01:48:42.439
work? Europe. And then it's, how does
01:48:42.439 --> 01:48:45.159
this work in the context of a war? I don't know
01:48:45.159 --> 01:48:46.899
how that works in the context of a war where
01:48:46.899 --> 01:48:50.000
Ukraine is being bombed to smithereens. How does
01:48:50.000 --> 01:48:52.920
that work? Ukraine is being—for one, Kramatorsk,
01:48:52.920 --> 01:48:55.399
Slovyansk is being surrounded. Russia is making
01:48:55.399 --> 01:48:57.199
gains on other fronts. And I think there are
01:48:57.199 --> 01:48:59.100
parts of the front that was fluid, in Lyman,
01:48:59.140 --> 01:49:02.319
the last I checked. But they are being rained
01:49:02.319 --> 01:49:06.449
with missiles every night going for the last
01:49:06.449 --> 01:49:08.930
several days at the very least. And this doesn't
01:49:08.930 --> 01:49:10.310
even touch the other parts of Ukraine that are
01:49:10.310 --> 01:49:14.750
getting hit. How does a country that is $30 billion
01:49:14.750 --> 01:49:18.229
shortfall this year, and will have another
01:49:18.229 --> 01:49:20.989
shortfall next year and the next year, how does
01:49:20.989 --> 01:49:23.479
that join the European Union? I don't know how
01:49:23.479 --> 01:49:26.960
that works. I get it for Albania. Albania
01:49:26.960 --> 01:49:29.960
is a great place. I get it for Albania. I don't
01:49:29.960 --> 01:49:33.039
know how it works for Ukraine. I just don't. Yeah.
01:49:33.100 --> 01:49:35.720
Not to mention after years of war. Right. Just they have a lot of reconstruction to do.
01:49:40.109 --> 01:49:41.550
And who's going to pay for the reconstruction?
01:49:41.789 --> 01:49:43.449
That's the other interesting part. Well, that's
01:49:43.449 --> 01:49:46.229
my—yeah, that's my point here. And then the other
01:49:46.229 --> 01:49:48.970
thing, the other European Commission in Brussels
01:49:48.970 --> 01:49:52.989
also came up with another proposed reform for
01:49:52.989 --> 01:49:55.989
new member states. They say that. And so currently
01:49:55.989 --> 01:49:59.989
there's one—a single country can veto a proposal.
01:50:00.840 --> 01:50:04.840
That would no longer be true. They'd go to qualified
01:50:04.840 --> 01:50:08.939
majority voting so that on a bunch of important
01:50:08.939 --> 01:50:12.779
processes, no one country could veto any proposed
01:50:12.779 --> 01:50:15.479
policy change. So basically, they kind of want
01:50:15.479 --> 01:50:20.060
to turn. Oh, wait a minute. Can
01:50:20.060 --> 01:50:22.140
we add one thing to this? They're so foolish.
01:50:23.079 --> 01:50:26.520
They're so foolish about this. Obviously, they're
01:50:26.520 --> 01:50:28.380
doing this because Hungary kept holding up. Hungary
01:50:28.380 --> 01:50:30.479
and Slovakia was holding up a lot of the
01:50:30.479 --> 01:50:31.979
stuff that they wanted to do in regards to the
01:50:31.979 --> 01:50:34.720
European Union to, quote, punish Russia, right? So
01:50:34.720 --> 01:50:37.800
their thing now is, okay, we can't give majority
01:50:37.800 --> 01:50:41.000
support in the way that we operated prior, and
01:50:41.000 --> 01:50:43.119
we want to take the European Union to war with
01:50:43.119 --> 01:50:46.699
Russia in an economic sense, even against our
01:50:46.699 --> 01:50:49.149
member states, because keep in mind the stuff
01:50:49.149 --> 01:50:51.029
that they were doing were damaging many of the
01:50:51.029 --> 01:50:52.970
countries in Europe, and they still were going
01:50:52.970 --> 01:50:55.949
along with it. Hungary, Viktor Orbán was, this
01:50:55.949 --> 01:50:58.390
is nonsense. Why are we doing this? And you're
01:50:58.390 --> 01:50:59.949
trying to damage us, so we're not going to take
01:50:59.949 --> 01:51:03.350
policy that's going to damage us. And they hated
01:51:03.350 --> 01:51:05.550
that, right? They did everything in their power
01:51:05.550 --> 01:51:07.970
to get rid of Viktor Orbán. They hated his guts.
01:51:08.350 --> 01:51:10.189
Don't give me this democracy shit. What they
01:51:10.189 --> 01:51:15.479
did in Romania is outrageous. It's outrageous.
01:51:15.579 --> 01:51:17.140
And even the stuff that Germany is doing, where
01:51:17.140 --> 01:51:19.479
they're going after the AfD, trying to find legal
01:51:19.479 --> 01:51:21.260
ways in order to keep them from taking power
01:51:21.260 --> 01:51:23.460
in the various locations. I'm trying to point
01:51:23.460 --> 01:51:26.119
out that this idea that they are, quote, democratic
01:51:26.119 --> 01:51:30.899
is nonsense. And this provision is one of those
01:51:30.899 --> 01:51:33.279
things of, okay, let's not just have this. Let's
01:51:33.279 --> 01:51:35.960
just have majority support so we can do any and
01:51:35.960 --> 01:51:38.340
everything that we want to do. Well, and you
01:51:38.340 --> 01:51:40.560
know, it's so funny because it's so transparent,
01:51:40.699 --> 01:51:42.279
right? It's, okay, so we set up the rules
01:51:42.279 --> 01:51:44.819
this one way, all for one, one for
01:51:44.819 --> 01:51:47.060
all, from the very beginning.
01:51:47.420 --> 01:51:49.340
And if you're in, you're a full-fledged member.
01:51:49.600 --> 01:51:52.600
And even if you're little Montenegro, you're
01:51:52.600 --> 01:51:56.340
as powerful as France. Okay, whatever. But then
01:51:56.340 --> 01:51:58.979
it's, oh. The votes aren't going our way.
01:51:59.220 --> 01:52:03.039
We have Hungary is causing us problems.
01:52:03.220 --> 01:52:05.880
They're voting. So rather than try to convince
01:52:05.880 --> 01:52:09.220
Hungary or make it sweet in the pot for them
01:52:09.220 --> 01:52:12.319
or whatever, work with them, or accept the fact
01:52:12.319 --> 01:52:14.100
that it's not going to happen because Hungary
01:52:14.100 --> 01:52:16.779
says no, we're going to change the rules so that
01:52:16.779 --> 01:52:18.979
we can just sort of ignore their vote.
01:52:18.979 --> 01:52:21.340
You can see this continuing logically to the
01:52:21.340 --> 01:52:23.979
point where even with a simple majority vote,
01:52:23.979 --> 01:52:26.199
if they start losing those simple majority votes,
01:52:26.199 --> 01:52:28.659
then they'll be, well, we should probably
01:52:28.659 --> 01:52:31.180
change the rules so that only France and Germany
01:52:31.180 --> 01:52:34.899
really get to vote. And it's, so we
01:52:34.899 --> 01:52:37.520
have to have our way no matter what. That's the
01:52:37.520 --> 01:52:40.260
thing. But the thing about a real democracy is
01:52:40.260 --> 01:52:43.399
you literally let the chips fall where they may.
01:52:43.399 --> 01:52:46.420
It's why the Democratic Party is not a
01:52:46.420 --> 01:52:49.619
small-d democratic institution. They're not willing
01:52:49.619 --> 01:52:52.520
to just let the voters show up and elect the
01:52:52.520 --> 01:52:55.699
people who win, and then you accept who won. That's
01:52:55.699 --> 01:52:57.699
what democracy is. You don't put your thumb on
01:52:57.699 --> 01:53:00.119
the scale and, oh, but if a democratic
01:53:00.119 --> 01:53:03.930
socialist from Vermont is going to win, well,
01:53:03.930 --> 01:53:06.529
we'll change the rules to not allow that.
01:53:06.529 --> 01:53:08.949
That's not a democracy. Yeah, it's supposed to
01:53:08.949 --> 01:53:11.270
be a process issue. It's a machine. You're
01:53:11.460 --> 01:53:14.609
not switching the gears to
01:53:14.609 --> 01:53:16.130
try to get something that you want. You made the
01:53:16.130 --> 01:53:18.069
machine the way you wanted it because you wanted
01:53:18.069 --> 01:53:20.670
it to function a particular way, and it's,
01:53:20.880 --> 01:53:22.979
God, man, this machine is not really giving me
01:53:22.979 --> 01:53:26.640
what we need. We need to make some adjustments
01:53:26.640 --> 01:53:30.960
here. It's banging on the Magic 8 Ball
01:53:30.960 --> 01:53:32.600
over and over because you're not getting the
01:53:32.600 --> 01:53:36.800
answer that you want. Or a court case, right?
01:53:37.140 --> 01:53:39.279
Where it's the judge is, God, man,
01:53:39.340 --> 01:53:40.880
this isn't giving us the answer that we need.
01:53:40.939 --> 01:53:42.600
So I need to somehow adjust what I'm doing in
01:53:42.600 --> 01:53:44.340
order to get the result that I want. It's that.
01:53:44.439 --> 01:53:48.180
Or the retrial. Oh, God, this person, we
01:53:48.180 --> 01:53:52.479
weren't able to convict them. There were 11 juries.
01:53:53.319 --> 01:53:55.760
We had only one juror who wanted to convict.
01:53:56.239 --> 01:53:58.359
We'll retry them. It'll be fine. We'll just keep
01:53:58.359 --> 01:54:00.659
going. We'll get the result at some point. And
01:54:00.659 --> 01:54:01.899
by the way, the European Union has done this
01:54:01.899 --> 01:54:05.229
before when I think it was Ireland,
01:54:05.229 --> 01:54:06.989
and it was somewhere else that didn't want to join
01:54:06.989 --> 01:54:09.170
initially, and they kept doing the vote over and
01:54:09.170 --> 01:54:11.270
over and over until they got the vote that they
01:54:11.270 --> 01:54:13.970
wanted. Now, the European Union is an institution
01:54:13.970 --> 01:54:16.810
that is very undemocratic. People think
01:54:16.810 --> 01:54:18.590
of the European—I'm sorry, the EU. Some people
01:54:18.590 --> 01:54:19.989
think of when they think of it, they think of
01:54:19.989 --> 01:54:21.350
the European Union. The European Union is a
01:54:21.350 --> 01:54:25.170
stamp. It's not the brain of the organization,
01:54:25.170 --> 01:54:28.449
right? The European Commission is the brain
01:54:28.449 --> 01:54:33.100
of the organization. But they have power diffused
01:54:33.100 --> 01:54:34.939
in very strange ways. People always talk about
01:54:34.939 --> 01:54:37.220
China. It's, oh, China is authoritarian. They're
01:54:37.220 --> 01:54:40.279
undemocratic. And you bring out, okay, well, this
01:54:40.279 --> 01:54:41.880
is how China does its elections. And it was,
01:54:41.880 --> 01:54:43.640
okay, well, that's not democratic. What the hell
01:54:43.640 --> 01:54:46.689
is this? The people who are chosen at the
01:54:46.689 --> 01:54:50.409
European Commission are not voted in. They are
01:54:50.409 --> 01:54:53.880
chosen, meaning it would be the way
01:54:53.880 --> 01:54:55.359
we used to do our politics, where the president
01:54:55.359 --> 01:54:56.760
was chosen from the House of Representatives
01:54:56.760 --> 01:54:58.439
or something like that. It's kind of that
01:54:58.439 --> 01:55:01.729
at some point. We started to choose the president
01:55:01.729 --> 01:55:05.340
directly. They never have. The European Union,
01:55:05.380 --> 01:55:07.180
the part that people actually vote on, is a rubber
01:55:07.180 --> 01:55:10.600
stamp and barely has power in the institution
01:55:10.600 --> 01:55:15.449
itself. And what they did to Romania is criminal.
01:55:16.550 --> 01:55:19.270
What they did to Romania is criminal. Călin
01:55:19.270 --> 01:55:22.470
Georgescu right now is facing jail once again.
01:55:22.510 --> 01:55:23.989
If I'm not mistaken, he was arrested a few days
01:55:23.989 --> 01:55:27.229
ago. He should be prime minister of Romania as
01:55:27.229 --> 01:55:29.229
we speak. He won the first round. He was going
01:55:29.229 --> 01:55:32.029
to win the second round. And they arrested him.
01:55:32.460 --> 01:55:36.569
Stop the elections. Stop the elections in order
01:55:36.569 --> 01:55:39.170
to put in somebody else so they can get the person
01:55:39.170 --> 01:55:40.949
that they wanted. That's what they tried
01:55:40.949 --> 01:55:44.810
to do to Marine Le Pen, right? Yeah. It's so
01:55:44.810 --> 01:55:47.550
outrageous. And what they're doing to the AfD,
01:55:47.550 --> 01:55:48.930
where they're having investigations and whatnot
01:55:48.930 --> 01:55:51.699
into the AfD. Before we go, we should talk a
01:55:51.699 --> 01:55:53.460
little bit about France. The protests are continuing.
01:55:54.140 --> 01:55:57.260
And by the way, the new polls show that if the
01:55:57.260 --> 01:55:59.680
runoff were held tomorrow, it would be between
01:55:59.680 --> 01:56:01.819
the far right and the far left. It would be between
01:56:01.819 --> 01:56:05.300
Marine Le Pen and Jean-Luc Mélenchon. And there's
01:56:05.300 --> 01:56:12.109
no room for the centrists. Those sad, sad, sad.
01:56:12.989 --> 01:56:15.529
That would be—now, that's an election that,
01:56:15.630 --> 01:56:18.829
come on. Everyone has a reason to care
01:56:18.829 --> 01:56:20.810
about that one. There's going to be high voting
01:56:20.810 --> 01:56:22.729
or not for that. That's what our election should
01:56:22.729 --> 01:56:26.600
have been. Sanders and Trump. That's more honest,
01:56:26.819 --> 01:56:30.050
right? And a real—nobody could argue
01:56:30.050 --> 01:56:33.510
that there's not a stark choice. Yeah. Which
01:56:33.510 --> 01:56:35.789
is what would have gotten asses in seats, made
01:56:35.789 --> 01:56:37.270
people pay attention, they would have gave a
01:56:37.270 --> 01:56:39.850
shit. And by the way, Trump would have been trounced
01:56:39.850 --> 01:56:42.430
in that election. I don't believe that a blue-
01:56:42.430 --> 01:56:45.630
collar billionaire against a real lefty is going
01:56:45.630 --> 01:56:48.109
to be able to stand up to it. I agree with that.
01:56:48.510 --> 01:56:53.090
Totally. Okay, so we have a little Robby controversy
01:56:53.090 --> 01:56:56.909
to close out today's show with. Just filming,
01:56:56.949 --> 01:56:58.970
really. Robby has a very wild brain to be a
01:56:58.970 --> 01:57:00.729
Christian. Imagine listening to Robby on here
01:57:00.729 --> 01:57:03.050
and then seeing him in real life. And then, well,
01:57:03.130 --> 01:57:04.949
I don't have to imagine that. I've seen him in
01:57:04.949 --> 01:57:06.890
real life. And he tries to tell you about God
01:57:06.890 --> 01:57:09.430
or his religion. I don't know how any Christian
01:57:09.430 --> 01:57:12.369
can be so heartless. But then Philip Blair retorts,
01:57:12.489 --> 01:57:14.710
I don't think Robby is heartless. I think Robby
01:57:14.710 --> 01:57:17.510
has been stewing in the same or worse crap as
01:57:17.510 --> 01:57:19.489
the rest of us, and all of us Westerners stink
01:57:19.489 --> 01:57:21.989
after stewing in this barbaric, neo-feudal
01:57:21.989 --> 01:57:26.270
crap stew. Well, Robby, I think, bathes frequently
01:57:26.270 --> 01:57:29.210
enough to get the neo-feudal crap stew off
01:57:29.210 --> 01:57:32.329
of him. But I can certainly vouch for
01:57:32.329 --> 01:57:35.909
Robby not being heartless. He is not heartless
01:57:35.909 --> 01:57:38.810
at all. That's certainly true. Ted, what does
01:57:38.810 --> 01:57:43.449
c'est moi mean? C-E-S-T-M-O-I. It means,
01:57:43.550 --> 01:57:48.010
it's me. C'est moi. C'est moi. Okay. What are
01:57:48.010 --> 01:57:51.479
you looking at? When I was in France, my girl,
01:57:51.520 --> 01:57:53.819
she was my girlfriend at the time. She became
01:57:53.819 --> 01:57:58.140
my wife later. Divorcee after that. Later still.
01:57:59.000 --> 01:58:01.539
She had learned so much French by the time we
01:58:01.539 --> 01:58:03.319
had gotten to the country that she was on point.
01:58:04.149 --> 01:58:06.470
She knew her shit left and right. She was great.
01:58:07.699 --> 01:58:11.180
It's, so the most famous c'est moi is Louis
01:58:11.180 --> 01:58:14.260
XIV said, l'état, c'est moi. The state, it's
01:58:14.260 --> 01:58:19.159
me. No, I am the state. I am the state. And under
01:58:19.159 --> 01:58:21.560
Louis XIV, well, that was wishful thinking,
01:58:21.699 --> 01:58:25.000
because he did have an aristocratic council to
01:58:25.000 --> 01:58:27.920
have to deal with, even though he was as close
01:58:27.920 --> 01:58:32.180
to an absolute ruler that France ever saw during
01:58:32.180 --> 01:58:35.340
the Ancien Régime. That was when they chopped
01:58:35.340 --> 01:58:38.479
off his head, right? No, that's Louis XVI. Louis
01:58:38.479 --> 01:58:43.439
XIV was the Sun King. He built Versailles and
01:58:43.439 --> 01:58:47.239
all that. GDP in order to build his palace
01:58:47.239 --> 01:58:50.439
and garland gardens. Yeah, the palace. I don't
01:58:50.439 --> 01:58:52.859
know if people have—anybody that has opportunity
01:58:52.859 --> 01:58:56.260
to go to France, go see those palaces. It is breathtaking,
01:58:56.260 --> 01:58:59.220
and you think to yourself, you spent all of France's
01:58:59.220 --> 01:59:02.060
money to build this shit for yourself. Oh, that's
01:59:02.060 --> 01:59:03.840
stunning. And don't forget it's all empty now,
01:59:03.840 --> 01:59:05.560
right? Because they were looted during the revolution,
01:59:05.560 --> 01:59:08.100
so all the furniture was taken. But can you imagine
01:59:08.100 --> 01:59:09.840
what it all looked like when it was completely
01:59:09.840 --> 01:59:13.340
fully appointed? Yeah, theater, statues. The
01:59:13.340 --> 01:59:17.939
gardens by itself is breathtaking. Yeah, true, true.
01:59:17.939 --> 01:59:22.220
Yeah. And he spent all the money. Is asking where
01:59:22.220 --> 01:59:25.180
I am. I'm right here. I'm just scrolling. I'm just
01:59:25.180 --> 01:59:29.979
watching the comments, smiling, enjoying it. I'm
01:59:29.979 --> 01:59:31.319
not weighing in a lot of this stuff because I'm
01:59:31.319 --> 01:59:34.479
saving it for Friday. I believe I want to, but
01:59:35.020 --> 01:59:37.500
Robby's preparing for his diff. Robby's preparing
01:59:37.500 --> 01:59:42.819
for his theological defeat. You never know, right?
01:59:42.819 --> 01:59:48.590
Whoops. You never know, because one thing
01:59:48.590 --> 01:59:53.409
I will tell y'all is that Ted is an incredibly
01:59:53.409 --> 01:59:57.149
smart guy, very well read, very well educated, and
01:59:57.149 --> 02:00:00.350
more than that, the dude has a heart bigger than
02:00:00.350 --> 02:00:04.170
the state of Montana. Yes, he does. And he
02:00:04.170 --> 02:00:07.149
is one—he is one of my dearest, dearest friends,
02:00:07.149 --> 02:00:09.909
and we disagree on a lot of things. And really
02:00:09.909 --> 02:00:14.539
what it all comes down to is jurisdiction, authority,
02:00:14.539 --> 02:00:20.659
and what does justice mean? To JT's point,
02:00:20.659 --> 02:00:23.340
just as humanly speaking, there's no such thing.
02:00:23.340 --> 02:00:25.960
It's just international law. It's a theory.
02:00:25.960 --> 02:00:29.199
It exists till it doesn't. Yeah. From a biblical
02:00:29.199 --> 02:00:31.159
standpoint, if you believe there's a higher power,
02:00:31.159 --> 02:00:34.979
then justice and authority is derived from
02:00:34.979 --> 02:00:37.220
that power. He delegates. It's a matter of delegations.
02:00:37.220 --> 02:00:39.539
That's why when it comes to execution
02:00:39.539 --> 02:00:42.140
by the state, it's not. And that's very problematic
02:00:42.140 --> 02:00:46.609
because who says, well, I was hanging with God the other day and
02:00:48.890 --> 02:00:51.630
he said that this speeding ticket should get
02:00:51.630 --> 02:00:55.449
a $325 sentence. Come on. Well, that's
02:00:55.449 --> 02:00:57.449
why you have to stay yourself approved, because
02:00:57.449 --> 02:00:59.770
God has worked that way. He's not a respecter
02:00:59.770 --> 02:01:02.909
of persons. And if God is ever audibly speaking
02:01:02.909 --> 02:01:07.430
to you, then you have a couple of problems. Then
02:01:07.430 --> 02:01:10.109
you're Nidal Hasan. Yeah, you're Nidal Hasan.
02:01:10.229 --> 02:01:13.229
Well, the Bible also says that Satan appears
02:01:13.229 --> 02:01:15.779
as an angel of light. And he will speak to you.
02:01:15.819 --> 02:01:18.979
And a couple of people who are very famous prophets
02:01:18.979 --> 02:01:21.319
both have the same exact thing. Both of them
02:01:21.319 --> 02:01:23.239
founded other religions have been somewhat problematic.
02:01:24.100 --> 02:01:29.039
So just because you hear a voice does not mean
02:01:29.039 --> 02:01:31.609
it's the voice of God. And you've got to see
02:01:31.609 --> 02:01:34.170
yourself approved. That the Bible was written
02:01:34.170 --> 02:01:38.609
by a fake God. That the God that we worship, or
02:01:38.609 --> 02:01:40.829
the God that people worship, is not the real God.
02:01:40.869 --> 02:01:42.930
It's an imperfect God making imperfect creations
02:01:43.680 --> 02:01:46.560
that it thought itself was God, but fucked up
02:01:46.560 --> 02:01:50.800
and got it wrong. And that's the choice that
02:01:50.800 --> 02:01:53.340
each and every single person has to make on their
02:01:53.340 --> 02:01:57.140
own. That does bring up an interesting
02:01:57.140 --> 02:02:00.560
point theologically, right? So the Bible, right,
02:02:00.640 --> 02:02:03.899
which you believe in absolutely, Robby, is,
02:02:03.899 --> 02:02:09.380
according to doctrine and dogma, written by
02:02:09.380 --> 02:02:11.840
people, right? We can agree on that. But
02:02:11.840 --> 02:02:14.479
it's divinely inspired, but it's not written
02:02:14.479 --> 02:02:17.520
by God physically. The Ten Commandments
02:02:17.520 --> 02:02:20.859
are theoretically written by God. Moses wasn't taking notes. The tablets
02:02:24.699 --> 02:02:27.960
were handed to him. God wrote it, right? So that's
02:02:27.960 --> 02:02:29.979
not divinely inspired. That's divinely written.
02:02:29.979 --> 02:02:34.500
Divinely inspired, though, is there's
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issues of interpretation, right? If
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I get an idea for a cartoon and then what
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ends up on the page is not going to be a perfect
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representation of the idea that was in my brain.
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Similarly, if God were to inspire me to draw
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a cartoon, let's say, it's still not.
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It goes through the very imperfect filter of
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Ted Rall's brain, right? And so it's kind of.
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So I guess you see where I'm going, Robby.
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Can we say that the Bible is an imperfect
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representation because it's written by human
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beings? By the way, I'll give you a perfect example
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of that. You do a remote viewing session. The
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session is on Chernobyl. And you wrote down a
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war. Meaning, the interpretation was the war.
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The reality was Chernobyl. They're different
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things, even though it's close. I guess,
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is it that? Signal to noise is one of the issues.
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Well, that's one of the reasons why when it comes
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to Scripture, Scripture never stands alone. And
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you should always compare Scripture with Scripture.
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It's kind of what we did last Sunday, or
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not last Sunday, last Friday. I went through
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a lot of Scripture from multiple books of the
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Bible, Old and New Testaments, to make my argument
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about the modern state of Israel being—oh, Ted
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just vanished. He's got that magic mouse. Yeah,
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he always pops back. But whenever it comes to
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Scripture, though, that is the case,
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is that it can never stand alone. And the reason
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for that is, is because to y'all's point, it
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is very, very easy to go in and grab a hold of
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something because of your personal bias and say,
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this is how it's got to be. This is clearly writ.
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Even if the vast majority of the principles in
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the Bible say, no, this is wrong. For
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example, whenever it comes to the death penalty,
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a lot of people say that the death penalty originates
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from the law of Moses. It actually predates the
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law of Moses. And so that's where it comes from.
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And the Bible is Jesus. It is both
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God and man. Man is the instrument. Man is the
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hand that held the quill. The Holy Spirit is
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what inspires it. I don't know what you would
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call it, but that's what it is. It is
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inspiration by God himself. When you pointed
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out that if God is talking to you, something
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is wrong. Well, because what it is, is, for example,
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if I—because earlier you did say that if God
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is talking to you, something is wrong. There
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are all sorts of things that appear in the eyes
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of God that is not God. Here we have a book that's
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supposedly written by God, or at the very least
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inspired by God. It's because nowadays we don't
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have prophets the way that we did in the Old
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Testament. John the Baptist was the last prophet.
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So time has changed. You're saying times have
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changed. That's the only difference. Well, times
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have changed. Times have changed. Also, the covenant
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has changed, because really what the whole point
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of the whole. Why do we have no prophets anymore?
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Because Jesus was born and we don't need him
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anymore. Jesus is the final prophet. Now we have
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the revealed word. Jesus is the word. He is the
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word of God. That actually makes sense.
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And so that's why. And so that's one
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of the biggest problems when it comes to Joseph
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Smith of Mormonism. He says that God appeared
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to him as an angel of light. Muhammad said the
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exact same thing. God appeared to him as an angel
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of light. Or David Koresh. And David Koresh is
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another one. Jesus said, many false messiahs
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will come in my name. This is how it is that
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you're going to do them, and you're going to
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know them by their fruits. If you are all about
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rounding up harems and preganting underage girls,
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or creating armies and sacking cities and engaging
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in the slave trade, maybe you're probably not
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the prophet of the God of peace. Okay. All right.
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This obviously bears further discussion, and
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that might come up on Friday. All right. And
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to Blake's point, Jesus didn't write a single
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word of the Bible. Correct. The only time that
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Jesus ever wrote was when he wrote in the sand.
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Whenever he asked the Pharisees, whoever has
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no sin, you cast the first stone. He started
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writing. I have no idea what he wrote. That's
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the only reason we know that Jesus is literate.
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It's because he wrote something now. We don't
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know what he wrote. It wasn't important. In Aramaic,
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no doubt. Aramaic or Greek, we don't know. All
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right. Thanks, everyone. Appreciate you. We'll
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be back tomorrow with the one-hour show, 9
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to 10 a.m. Eastern Time with DeProgram with
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Ted Rall, Jamarl Thomas, and producer Robby
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West. We will be TMI show coming up tomorrow
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at 10 a.m. Have a great day. Always a pleasure,
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Jamarl. See you tomorrow. Absolutely. Have a
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good one, guys. Be safe.