Episode 14 Predictive Programming around the equinox. Misconceptions about Alister Crowley.

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or topic suggestions. All right. Once again,
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what a week it's been. Oh, my God. Wasn't it
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the end of the world this week? There were lots
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of calls for that. About half of TikTok was rapture
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talk this week. Good old fashioned end of the
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world. Yeah, but, you know, it's funny enough.
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It happens every year around this time of year
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of these end of the world fears. And it's all
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centered around 923, which we've. Yeah, I thought
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that was pretty crazy that there's that much
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that's centered around. 923. Is it the equinox
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or specifically? So 923 is. Is it always the
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equinox, 923? I think so. I believe so. It was
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the equinox this year. So let's see. Is September
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23rd always the equinox? No. It's not always,
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but it's between the 21st and 24th. So always
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around that period. Pretty much. Yeah. So there's
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all these movies and everything that has all
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these references with 922 or 923 being the day
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when something cataclysmic happens. You've got,
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I mean, everything from Evan Almighty when the
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flood happens on 922 to this is the end when
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the rapture happens on 923. And the list goes
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on of movies, which. It does make you wonder
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why do so many movies have it in there. Yeah,
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let me read through that. That was quite an impressive
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list. So, 923, predictive programming, you wrote.
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Third rock from the sun, meteor hits in September.
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Big bang theory, asteroid strikes on 923. Seeking
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a friend for the end of the world, asteroid strikes
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923. Deep impact, asteroid strikes 922. Heaven
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almighty, date of the flood is 922. Midday. Midday?
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Midday. Oh, that's right. Knowing Movie, Earth
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Destroyed by Solar Flare on 922 and 923. Little
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Shop of Horrors, which I thought was really interesting.
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923, When Humanity Encounters Deadly Threat.
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Tomorrowland, I Do Remember, Disaster Strikes
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on 923. Great movie, by the way. Number 23, The
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Movie, 923, When Hell Arrives. Sleepy Hollow
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Show. 923 when New Dimension opens. Ghostbusters.
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Evil is released on 923. So that's when the ghosts
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terrorized the city. Which version of the movie
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was that? I want to say the original one where
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they're all over downtown New York. The ghosts
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are coming out of there. When they released them
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from the Ghostbusters holding tank? Let's see.
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Let's see. Which? Because I feel like it was
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in multiple movies. Because I think the Frozen
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Empire as well was 923. Because it would make
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sense for their universe to focus on 923 as well.
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The Pied Piper of Manhattan. Okay, so it was
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the one where, that's the guy in the painting,
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right? I believe, the Pied Piper of Manhattan.
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No, that was Vigo. Okay. Vigo the Destroyer.
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Vigo is the painting. That was number two, yeah.
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So the Pied Piper of Manhattan featured ghosts
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terrorizing New York City on September 23, 1997.
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Oh, that's saying something different. That's
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telling us about an episode of the show. But
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interestingly enough, they released it on that
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day. On 9 -23? Okay, so ChadGPT says, 9 -23 was
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the Pied Piper. Unleashes an infestation of lesser
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ghosts and spiritual emanations. That's fine.
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Okay. Moving on. This is the end, 923, when the
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rapture happens. Pandemic, East Coast hit with
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pandemic on 923. That was a movie? Yeah. Yeah?
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Okay. I never saw that one. Labyrinth, the movie.
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Evil consumes the world on 923. Lost, the TV
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show. Plane crashes on 922. Castaway, driver's
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license of dead pilot shows, 923 birth date.
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A Taco Bell commercial shows mime escaping concentration
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camp on 923. I don't remember that. Let's see.
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That is intriguing, though. It sounds very risque.
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Yes. I don't know if it would be as popular today.
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While I look that one up, we can go down the
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list. That'll be exciting to watch later. A Guinness
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beer commercial. If you keep an open mind, you'll
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discover dark secrets. The screen shows a ticking
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watch that stops on 923. Asteroid City, Asteroid
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hits on 923. Green Day, Wake Me Up When September
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Ends. Good song. September When It Comes song
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by Johnny Cash. I'm sure there's more, but that's
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what you have compiled, and I thought it was
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really interesting to see that there's such an
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abundance of correlation there. Just a whole
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lot of shows of them throwing it in into their
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commercials, movies, shows. And maybe it's to
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do with the equinox. The fact that the equinox
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is right around that time period. Well, isn't
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it some other culture's new year? It is the beginning
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of the Jewish new year. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Okay. And this year, the talk all over TikTok
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was all centering around, I don't know if you've
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heard anything about it, but the whole, the red
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heifer, the sacrifice of the red heifer and the
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building of the third temple in Jerusalem. There's
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a whole lot of these people who believe in this
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Christian dispensationalism believe that when
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the third temple is built, Only then will Jesus
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return, but the Jewish people believe their Messiah
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will return. And can the events of the book of
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Revelation start taking place? Can the final
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battle between good and evil happen? And they
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are trying to speed up the process. They want
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that to happen sooner, they would say, because
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they want Jesus to come back. But I think it's
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kind of psycho to want to hasten the end of the
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world. But they've got this whole big ritual
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where they have to have a perfect red heifer
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with no blemish, no scars. Red heifer. Is that
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meaning woman or cow? A cow. A cow. Okay. Not
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a perfect redhead. And they've got to get this
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perfect red heifer. It's got to be no blemish,
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no scars, and entirely red. Not a different hair
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on this. Not a hair colored differently on this
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body. And then they're going to sacrifice it.
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and grind up its blood to bless the new temple.
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They can't build the new temple until they have
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their magic red heifer blood. And they do this
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every year? No, they've apparently... Or they've
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got red heifers lined up for this? Yeah, they've
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got lots of candidates for cows to be the red
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heifer. And supposedly... All the genetic modification
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we can do with current science is speeding up
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the process of them getting their perfect red
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heifer. They don't have a perfect red heifer
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yet? They don't. Apparently there hasn't been
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one in over 2 ,000 years. They haven't had a
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perfect red heifer. A looming omen, I guess.
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Yeah, now they have several candidates. When
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they finally get a red heifer. Well, they supposedly
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have several candidates, but there's a lot of
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people over there who don't want them to be able
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to. complete this ceremony, because if they complete
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the ceremony, it means they intend to build a
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temple and tear down the Al -Aqsa Mosque, which
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is a holy site for Islam. So very, very contentious
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thing. But yeah, all of TikTok was thinking that
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they were going to sacrifice the red heifer and
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the rapture would begin and it would all be over
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on. on tuesday but we're still here still here
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to record just another tuesday maybe maybe it's
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9 23 next year you know keep your disaster supplies
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ready for uh 9 23 yeah i saw a bunch of people
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like sold all their stock and assets and quit
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jobs and stuff and you should have sent one of
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them my way i'd like a new car you know right
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but it didn't make any sense to me because if
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the world's coming to an end none of that's going
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to matter money's not going to matter anyways
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right If you don't already have all your supplies
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stockpiled. And what is selling the things going
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to do for you if everything's coming to an end?
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What's having some dollars going to do for you
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in the end? I don't think it's going to do much.
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So all that end -of -the -world fear. And with
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some of the news this week, thankfully this news
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has come after 9 -23, but with some of the news
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this week, it's... at least World War III very
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much could be on the horizon. Yeah, that's kind
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of disappointing. Yeah, very much so. I mean,
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I'm somebody who was somewhat of a fan or somewhat
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hopeful, I should say, of the president before
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he went into office and his anti -war rhetoric,
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but none of that seems to matter anymore. This
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week, actually just yesterday, the U .S. just
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conducted, A 7 ,500 -mile thermonuclear weapon
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test off the coast of Florida. That's not a test.
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They have tested every nuclear bomb any possible
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which way they could already. Even deployment
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systems. So more of a display, you think? Yeah,
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it's absolutely a display. There is no reason
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for them to test anything, any weapon of that
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magnitude ever again. Yeah. Well, supposedly,
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they say they're testing their new system. They've
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got this new delivery system where they're shooting
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the missiles out of the submarine. And what shoots
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out of the submarine carries multiple warheads.
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So, you know, displaying their destructive capabilities
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in what is clearly a saber -rattling display,
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you know. And more interesting and something
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to watch. In an unprecedented move, the Pentagon,
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Pete Hexeth, the Secretary of Defense, has ordered
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nearly all of the U .S. military's generals,
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admirals, all the top brass. They're all going
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to be meeting at a Marine Corps base in Virginia
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next week, which makes me feel uneasy. And it
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doesn't seem smart to me to gather all the brass
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in one location. I have a tendency to refer back
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to movie plots, mostly because I feel like a
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lot of that's drip -fed information to us, and
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it's a good way to play out scenarios in your
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brain. But like the reboot of Star Trek, the
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second one, the return of Khan or whatever it
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was called, something major happens, and then
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by protocol, they're all supposed to gather and
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form a committee. which makes the perfect striking
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point for this villain, which, yeah, it doesn't
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seem like a very smart idea to gather all of
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your department heads and put them in one space.
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One location. Well, there's a show, I think it
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was on Fox, either Fox or NBC, called Designated
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Survivor that pretty much has the same plot.
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It's terrorists strike the U .S. Capitol building
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while the State of the Union is happening. So
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you've got... everybody in one location, and
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then because of that, the head of the EPA has
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to take over as president of the country. But
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it's the same plot of everybody's gathered in
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one spot, and they strike then. Maybe that's
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why they're trying to get rid of the EPA. Can't
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have him take over. They've done plenty of consolidation,
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I can attest to. I won't talk anymore about that.
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Well, I think they're consolidating lots and
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lots of the government. Also currently just kind
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of going hand in hand with this, the Pentagon
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brass meeting. We've got the UN General Assembly
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currently taking place. And there was a plot
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supposedly foiled earlier this week by the Secret
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Service, which I thought it was interesting that
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the Secret Service is the one who foiled the
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plot. Like, wouldn't this be the FBI's? area
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of expertise or maybe the secret service are
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involved because trump's at the un yeah maybe
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maybe the secret service was doing a sweep and
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they found something but apparently they found
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these devices uh more than 300 uh co -located
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sim servers over a hundred thousand sim cards
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that they claim that some someone or some group
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was planning on trying to take down New York
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City's cell phone network. They were going to
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essentially flood the system. Those are pictures
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of the site that they found? Well, these are
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pictures of the SIM cards. Yeah, but that right
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there? Yeah, that's one of the pictures. Just
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racks and racks of... That's what they provided.
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Some sort of devices there. How is someone able
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to set something up like this? It shows a wall
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of SIM boxes at the location where they were
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seized. They say that they were going to be used
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to flood the networks with 30 million text messages
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a minute to take down the city's cell phone network.
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Wait, just what do you call it when a hacker
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overloads the system? Is that what it is? Yeah,
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I don't know if there's a more technical term
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for it, but overwhelming the system more than
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it can handle. And, you know, what's interesting
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about it is not so much that someone was trying
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to target New York's cell phone network. It's
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that they were trying to do it while the U .N.
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is in session. So you've got all the world leaders
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descended on this one building or, you know,
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most of the important world leaders there at
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this one location. And according to the Secret
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Service, somebody wanted New York City to go
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dark for communications right then. Yeah. Maybe
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it was all a... employee to to draw out the coup
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yeah you know or our government is known for
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uh for for lying i hope they actually have foiled
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a plot and they haven't just like announcing
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that this this plot didn't really happen just
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for the sake of fear -mongering because they
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do do fear -mongering and the yeah final part
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with this at the beginning of the week before
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our thermonuclear test before this in New York
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City was foiled. There was a defecting Russian
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general who has warned of a Polish invasion plot
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from Putin in Russia, claiming that Russia is
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going to do some sort of deniable attack, some
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sort of attack that they can say it wasn't us,
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just to test NATO's resolve. Well, haven't they
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already been sending drones? Into protected airspace?
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Apparently now we have. So when this Russian
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general said this, well, supposedly they have.
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When this Russian general said this, this hadn't
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happened yet. But this week there have been several
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incidents in Denmark that the Danish government
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is calling drone attacks at their airports. From
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what I've seen, I haven't seen a drone actually.
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hurt anyone or kill anyone there in Denmark or
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cause any actual physical damage, but they're
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looming over the airports and they're sort of
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menacing, if you would. And so the Danish government
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is openly talking about, and this isn't the first
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time any of the countries have openly talked
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about this, but they're openly talking about
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invoking Article, is it Article 4? What is it?
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Yeah, Article 4 of NATO to involve everybody.
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So hopefully that's just more saber rattling,
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too, because it's what it's been like. It's been
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a little over five years of this Ukraine war
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now. Has it been that long? I think so. I feel
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like it started. Biden, I thought. Yeah. Well,
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I thought I guess it did start. Yes. It depends
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on when you want to trace it back to because
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you can go back further with trouble. Yeah. But
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this in its current form, I guess, hasn't been
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under Biden. So wasn't there talk about the entire
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shift on Trump's point of view on the Ukraine
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war? There has been lately. There has been lately.
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What was it, like a month and a half ago? It
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was Putin and Trump had a meeting and it was
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all this quick meeting and happy -go -lucky.
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They were telling us it was about to be over.
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Right. I remember that. I remember hearing. And
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now Trump is saying. He basically told Putin
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to go fuck himself. Yeah, I thought he gave permission
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to Ukraine to take back whatever the fuck they
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wanted. Yeah, yeah. No, his statement at the
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UN this week was that he said Ukraine is going
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to take back every inch of land they've lost.
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And that if, you know, if Russia intends on continuing
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the conflict, they better be sure to find the
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bomb shelters, which is. Not the kind of talk
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you want to hear from the person who ran on a
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peace platform, that the other big nuclear power
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should start looking for their bomb shelters.
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So that sort of talk at the UN leaves no one
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comfortable. But to me, the most important thing
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to watch is just what happens after the military
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brass meets. And one has to wonder. What has
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caused all this? Why the change? Because, yeah,
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it was not that long ago we were being told the
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conflict was coming to an end. I remember hearing
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news stories about, you know, there were complaints
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that Ukraine was going to cede territory and
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that sort of thing. And now it's the complete
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opposite. Yeah. We shall see. What's the Simpsons
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say? Do the Simpsons say we're going to war this
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year? I mean, whether or not it's this year,
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next year, doesn't matter when. It does seem
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certain, though, now that, you know, whether
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like them or dislike them, Trump's talk of his
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anti -war rhetoric in the lead up to the election
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seemed to be the only hope of getting this country
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off the war footing we were on, of marching in
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the war with China, with probably Iran and Russia.
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And now that he's gone, you know, full bombs
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away here. Where, you know, we've been blowing
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up little speed boats in the Caribbean. Now we're
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testing thermonuclear weapons and all of this
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rhetoric. It does seem certain that it's not
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a matter of if, but just when. I don't see how
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the mess in this country, the mess internationally,
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I don't see how any of it can be untangled without
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a world war at this point. If we're not trying,
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if we're not even going to try to tone down tensions.
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I don't see how there's any way out without a
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war. Somebody wants the machine to keep turning.
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Yeah. World banks. Hopefully the people can come
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together enough to foil their plans to play their
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old game of watch the peasants fight each other.
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If we can do that, maybe we can avoid a war.
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And we can switch this to some more fun news
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and some... Following theories, you know, where
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we were talking about thermonuclear weapons and
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rockets and that sort of thing, we got on the
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list here the father of American rocketry. A
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man who, if it wasn't for him, none of this would
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be possible. Missiles in the sky, you know, any
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of that. Or even our jet engines that fly us
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around from airport to airport. And that is Jack
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Parsons. Any relation to Alan Parsons? I don't
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know. I don't think so. Alan Parsons Project?
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That's a band. Oh. I don't know who the Alan
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Parsons is. Nope. Nope. Different countries.
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I guess Alan Parsons was English. Yeah, he worked
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on albums like The Beatles, Abbey Road, Pink
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Floyd. Interesting. Pink Floyd's dark side of
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the moon. And the Alan Parsons project. Okay,
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sorry. Bad joke. So there's actually a show about
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Jack Parsons on Paramount right now. Yeah. It's
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pretty good. I actually started giving it a watch
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not too long ago and kind of fell off from watching
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it. But it's called Strange Angel. And the show
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does a pretty good job of depicting the most
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interesting part about Jack. And Jack Parsons,
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father of American rocketry, and he is the, you
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know, we think of him, you think of a scientist.
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But you get a little bit more than a scientist
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with Jack because Jack was also. very big into
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the occult. So he was famously a follower of
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Aleister Crowley and a believer in the religion
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of Thelema. And he claims to have been in communication
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with non -human intelligences that guided him
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with what to do in order to build rockets. Aleister
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Crowley was. Jack Parsons. Jack Parsons was.
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Yes. Now, Aleister Crowley was also claiming
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to be in touch with other entities as well. And
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I guess really to understand Jack Parsons and
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what his esoteric beliefs were, we should really
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delve into Aleister Crowley. Explain Thelema
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to me. So, Thelema has a really bad reputation.
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But from what I've read about it and... And it
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doesn't seem necessarily bad. It definitely,
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of course, is not going to fit with modern Christianity
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or traditional beliefs. So I could see why it
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would have been shunned. But so key aspects of
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Thelema is Thelema is a religion founded by Aleister
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Crowley, and it's based on a book written by
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him called The Book of the Law that he claims
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to have written and channeled from some spiritual
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entity that was... speaking to him from over
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his shoulder. He claims to have channeled what
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they were saying into this book. So the central
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tenet of Thelema is do what thou wilt. So not
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a call for unfettered license, but for discovering
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and acting according to one's true will or one's
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unique spiritual destiny. But the whole do what
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thou wilt is often interpreted by their critics
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as an invitation to hedonism. And to doing whatever.
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So true will in Thelema refers to an individual's
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innate and divine life purpose, which must be
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uncovered through spiritual practice and introspection.
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So, you know, look at that. That's not so crazy.
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The great work to them, that is another key tenet.
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The great work is the spiritual and magical path
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to discover one's true will and achieve mystical
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union with the universal consciousness. Also
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doesn't sound too crazy. Then practices and symbolism.
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Thelemites, I'm not sure you pronounce it, but
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use techniques such as meditation, yoga, hermetic
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Kabbalah, and ceremonial magic. I want to point
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out that Aleister Crowley spelled his magic with
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a K instead of a C to differentiate it from stage
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magic. So the unicursal hexagram, you know, the
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six -pointed star drawn in one continuous motion.
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is a symbol of that universal system. Then syncretic
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nature, Thelema draws on various mystical and
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esoteric traditions, including Hermeticism and
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Kabbalah. Define Hermeticism and Kabbalah. Kabbalah
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is Jewish mysticism. And Hermeticism... Is that
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the same as the Kabbal? No. Yeah, I thought that
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was different. Kabbalah is spelled with a C,
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and Kabbalah is with a Q. Yeah. Or what a K.
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Sometimes what a K. Kabbalah is just a group
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of people. But Kabbalah is, they have, it's a
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whole, they have books on it and everything,
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like holy books that are their key tenets and
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writings, but it's a whole spiritual, it's basically
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a religious understanding for Kabbalah of a system
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of how they think the world works that doesn't
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really match with the mainstream magicians, religions,
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I'm sorry. And Hermeticism, is most of the esoteric
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societies around the world are followers of some
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form of Hermeticism. Hermeticism is following
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the teachings that are attributed to a man named
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Hermes Trismegistus, not known if he actually
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lived or not, but he's a mythical figure. He
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supposedly is the one who directed the building
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of the pyramid. He's sometimes referred to as
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Thoth, the Egyptian god. And he's given many
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names. But his teachings, he has a couple of
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key principles. I'm actually a big fan of Hermeticism
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and their key principles that supposedly are
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governing the world. Which are? Mentalism, correspondence,
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vibration, polarity, rhythm, cause and effect,
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and gender. So mentalism is the idea that everything
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is mind. All is mental. The universe is mind.
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So the all is mind, the universe is mental. The
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principle states that the entire universe and
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everything in it is a mental creation of a universal
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mind. And correspondence is the principle of
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as above, so below. So the principle suggests
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that there's a fundamental unity and consistency
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between the different levels of reality from
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the smallest to the largest. And the patterns
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observed on one level are reflected on the others.
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And so all of these principles, I am a firm believer
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in. So I'm a big believer in as above, so below.
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I think the macro informs us of the micro and
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vice versa. So the next principle, vibration,
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the idea that nothing rests, everything moves,
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everything vibrates. This principle posits that
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everything in the universe is in constant motion,
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a continuous vibration, and that physical, mental,
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and spiritual realities are all expressions of
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this vibrational energy. I think we both can
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100 % agree on that. Well, science tells us that
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now. But what's interesting is this was taught.
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You know, 2 ,000 years ago, long before modern
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science, this was taught to people who were living
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in a world where it's maybe not so obvious that
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everything's in motion. But one thing I think
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about is, I was like, I wonder if drugs had anything
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to do with them figuring this out. Because when
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I take shrooms, it's obvious to me that everything
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is in motion. It's a subtle motion, but it's
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almost like everything is breathing, if you will.
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It's like a slow movement. Then polarity is the
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next principle. So everything is dual. Everything
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has poles. This principle explains that everything
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exists as a duality with opposite poles that
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are essentially the same but different in degree.
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So examples are like hot and cold, love and hate,
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light and dark. They're two poles of one thing.
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Yeah, one can't exist without the other. Right.
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The next principle of rhythm. that everything
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flows out and in, everything has its tides. This
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principle describes the cyclical nature of everything
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with movements and phases, such as the pendulum
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of a clock, or tides, or one could even say the
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seasons, just a rhythm, a never -ending rhythm
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to things. Then the next principle, cause and
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effect. Every cause has its effect, every effect
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has its cause. This principle asserts that every
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event has a cause and effect, and that nothing
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happens by chance. only according to the law.
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And then the final principle of gender, everything
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has its masculine and feminine principles. This
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principle states that gender is a force or quality
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present at all levels of existence, with masculine,
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active, and feminine, receptive, principles balancing
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and interacting to create and manifest. It's
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really interesting. It's not that crazy. Not
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that radical. But, of course, following any esoteric
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beliefs is frowned upon by traditional religions,
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and I would imagine a long time ago even more
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so. So Alistair Crowley kind of blended hermetic
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beliefs and mystical traditions that he got from
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a variety of sources to create his religion.
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And if you take his word for it, there was a
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being that came to him. And what was the name
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of that being? He had more than one being that
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he was supposedly in contact with, but the one
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that came to him and told him what he ended up
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writing in this book of the law was called Hor
00:30:42.819 --> 00:30:47.519
Par Krat. He claimed to have been visited by
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an entity called Aywas, who called himself the
00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:55.599
minister of Hor Par Krat. I'm sorry. Which that
00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:57.960
is, you know, it's interesting that this being
00:30:57.960 --> 00:30:59.819
comes and is like, oh, I'm a representative of
00:30:59.819 --> 00:31:03.019
this place. So Crowley claimed that he could
00:31:03.019 --> 00:31:05.400
hear the voice of the entity coming to him from
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behind his left shoulder and that he felt that
00:31:07.740 --> 00:31:10.019
the entity was in the far corner of the room,
00:31:10.099 --> 00:31:13.039
though veiled and ghostly or rather angelic.
00:31:13.240 --> 00:31:16.380
Crowley said that I was felt like a tall, dark
00:31:16.380 --> 00:31:19.420
man in his mid 30s with the face of a savage
00:31:19.420 --> 00:31:22.740
king. He said he spoke to him in English with
00:31:22.740 --> 00:31:26.210
no discernible accent. but was dressed in Persian
00:31:26.210 --> 00:31:30.450
or Assyrian style. So Crowley famously was also
00:31:30.450 --> 00:31:33.789
in contact with another being that he called
00:31:33.789 --> 00:31:37.430
Lamb, L -A -M. And listeners, if you guys want
00:31:37.430 --> 00:31:41.890
to Google Lamb, I guess you have to Google Alistair
00:31:41.890 --> 00:31:46.829
Crowley and Lamb, and you can see an image that
00:31:46.829 --> 00:31:48.910
he drew, Alistair Crowley drew, of this being
00:31:48.910 --> 00:31:51.349
he claimed to be in contact with. People have
00:31:51.349 --> 00:31:54.700
often said it looks like a gray alien. Yeah,
00:31:54.700 --> 00:31:56.759
kind of, except his eyes are a little more...
00:31:56.759 --> 00:31:58.880
A little beady. Distinct. I wonder if he was
00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:01.460
a minister, too. I think he looks like a beady
00:32:01.460 --> 00:32:03.660
-headed bureaucrat. That's funny. Maybe he's...
00:32:03.660 --> 00:32:08.000
So, there's people usually interpreted in one
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:10.660
or two ways with Aleister Crowley and this lamb
00:32:10.660 --> 00:32:13.460
being that he claimed to have been in contact
00:32:13.460 --> 00:32:15.940
with. Some people think, oh, it's a gray alien.
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:18.599
He was in contact with a gray alien. Other people
00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:21.640
think he was in contact with a demonic force.
00:32:23.369 --> 00:32:27.470
The key thing is Alistair Crowley, when he studied
00:32:27.470 --> 00:32:31.089
first with the occultic and hermetic order of
00:32:31.089 --> 00:32:34.369
the Golden Dawn in England, where he claimed
00:32:34.369 --> 00:32:36.990
to have learned ceremonial magic, and then he
00:32:36.990 --> 00:32:40.589
left there and he went and studied in Mexico,
00:32:40.910 --> 00:32:44.410
Morocco, India, and China, studied practices
00:32:44.410 --> 00:32:47.470
like yoga and occult traditions and all of those
00:32:47.470 --> 00:32:51.750
places. Really big into just studying occult
00:32:51.750 --> 00:32:54.369
and mystical traditions. One studied Islamic
00:32:54.369 --> 00:32:58.990
mysticism. And then, after all of that, that's
00:32:58.990 --> 00:33:01.490
when these beings start appearing to him. And
00:33:01.490 --> 00:33:05.509
he writes his book of the law. They were also
00:33:05.509 --> 00:33:09.529
really big into Egyptian deities. So they would
00:33:09.529 --> 00:33:14.710
hold ceremonies and things to try and bring about
00:33:14.710 --> 00:33:19.609
different deities. Here's a name many people
00:33:19.609 --> 00:33:21.789
in today's world are familiar with, and it was
00:33:21.789 --> 00:33:25.549
the magical name of Aleister Crowley. But Baphomet,
00:33:25.750 --> 00:33:30.730
that was the name that he adopted as his magical
00:33:30.730 --> 00:33:33.869
name. Well, wasn't Baphomet an embodiment of
00:33:33.869 --> 00:33:37.029
Satan? That's how many people interpret it. Or
00:33:37.029 --> 00:33:39.630
is that just something that we were programmed
00:33:39.630 --> 00:33:42.170
to believe? Well, that's how some people interpret
00:33:42.170 --> 00:33:45.910
it, as an embodiment of Satan. Now, let's see.
00:33:46.069 --> 00:33:50.049
It is... Baphomet, a symbolic, this according
00:33:50.049 --> 00:33:53.329
to Google, enigmatic goat -headed figure associated
00:33:53.329 --> 00:33:55.890
with occultism, originally appearing in historical
00:33:55.890 --> 00:33:58.750
accusations against the Knights Templar in the
00:33:58.750 --> 00:34:01.950
4th century because they found a Baphomet statue
00:34:01.950 --> 00:34:06.670
hidden in a Knights Templar building. The familiar
00:34:06.670 --> 00:34:11.070
winged hermaphroditic image of the sabbatic goat
00:34:11.070 --> 00:34:15.179
was created by the 19th century occultists. Eliphas
00:34:15.179 --> 00:34:18.780
Levi, who intended to symbolize the union of
00:34:18.780 --> 00:34:22.380
opposites and balance. Today, Baphomet is a potent
00:34:22.380 --> 00:34:24.980
symbol for various occult, spiritual, and countercultural
00:34:24.980 --> 00:34:29.139
groups, including modern Satanism, representing
00:34:29.139 --> 00:34:31.480
concepts like universal balance, knowledge, and
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:33.980
rebellion against religious authority. So in
00:34:33.980 --> 00:34:36.960
Baphomet itself, the drawing or how it's usually
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:39.239
depicted embodies a lot of those hermetic principles.
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:44.079
So the way Baphomet is shown with Two fingers
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:46.460
pointing up on one hand and two fingers pointing
00:34:46.460 --> 00:34:49.260
down on one hand. That is to symbolize as above,
00:34:49.340 --> 00:34:54.340
so below. Or balance or rhythm or most of it,
00:34:54.340 --> 00:34:59.360
really. Duality. All meant to be in this one
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:04.000
image. If they were just trying to convey these
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.440
simple principles like what we read through for
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:10.440
those principles of Hermeticism, you could come
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:14.309
up with something that looks less... demonic
00:35:14.309 --> 00:35:18.289
and people people might like it a little bit
00:35:18.289 --> 00:35:23.909
better instead of this goat -headed winged creature
00:35:23.909 --> 00:35:27.849
i feel like the goat has taken a bad rap over
00:35:27.849 --> 00:35:32.150
the years for that reason i suppose oh yeah because
00:35:32.150 --> 00:35:35.210
i think goat in other cultures is is a highly
00:35:35.210 --> 00:35:39.269
regarded creature i mean in africa and other
00:35:39.269 --> 00:35:42.010
third world countries the goat is their primary
00:35:42.010 --> 00:35:44.110
food source Yeah, I mean, it's not necessarily
00:35:44.110 --> 00:35:49.329
bad, but I think with Christianity, there's the
00:35:49.329 --> 00:35:53.969
old connotation with sacrifice, with animal sacrifice.
00:35:54.269 --> 00:35:58.750
So when people see the goat sacrifice, and that's,
00:35:58.750 --> 00:36:01.929
of course, for Christian theology, sacrifice
00:36:01.929 --> 00:36:05.849
is no more. We're not supposed to do animal sacrifice.
00:36:06.010 --> 00:36:08.849
So when I think more traditionalist people see
00:36:08.849 --> 00:36:11.980
anything like that, they... They kind of just
00:36:11.980 --> 00:36:14.719
balk at it. I mean, funny story, though. I've
00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:18.099
got a buddy who's a little younger than me who
00:36:18.099 --> 00:36:22.840
was in the military. He's out now. He actually
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:25.139
got injured, and so he got honorable discharge
00:36:25.139 --> 00:36:27.780
and all that. But he told me a story about while
00:36:27.780 --> 00:36:31.059
he was training, some of his buddies, and also
00:36:31.059 --> 00:36:33.619
in the military, higher up, invited him to kind
00:36:33.619 --> 00:36:36.179
of a little camp retreat. You've got a whole
00:36:36.179 --> 00:36:38.940
bunch of military guys. Out in the woods on a
00:36:38.940 --> 00:36:41.099
camp trip together. And they sacrificed a goat.
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:45.559
And this was something that not like that. He
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:47.320
did not describe it as something that they thought
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:50.320
up on the spot. Because, I mean, who has a goat
00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:52.800
sitting around spare? This was something that
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:54.940
they went out there to do. They sacrificed a
00:36:54.940 --> 00:36:58.559
goat in a ritualistic fashion. And it was, you
00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:00.579
know, he described it as, you know, the older
00:37:00.579 --> 00:37:03.610
guys in there. what they did they were he was
00:37:03.610 --> 00:37:05.929
invited in to join them and join their group
00:37:05.929 --> 00:37:09.650
this was military u .s military u .s military
00:37:09.650 --> 00:37:12.670
and so when it just him telling me the story
00:37:12.670 --> 00:37:15.210
i thought it was very intriguing because i was
00:37:15.210 --> 00:37:18.269
like okay we have groups in our military that
00:37:18.269 --> 00:37:21.269
have their own little private clubs where some
00:37:21.269 --> 00:37:25.130
of them are sacrificing goats yeah i mean maybe
00:37:25.130 --> 00:37:28.050
yeah maybe you got got to the point that you've
00:37:28.050 --> 00:37:31.570
seen so much shit in your life that Maybe that's
00:37:31.570 --> 00:37:33.829
something more than symbolic to you anymore.
00:37:34.010 --> 00:37:37.090
When they were doing it for protection, you know,
00:37:37.090 --> 00:37:40.650
for them going into combat areas. So they were
00:37:40.650 --> 00:37:42.809
doing it to ask for protection and sacrifice.
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I've always believed that if you believe in it,
00:37:45.369 --> 00:37:49.070
it's much more powerful, that it can actually
00:37:49.070 --> 00:37:51.849
be true if you truly believe in it. I would agree
00:37:51.849 --> 00:37:53.670
with you. It's empowering. Well, and that's kind
00:37:53.670 --> 00:37:57.869
of, isn't that sort of what the more new age.
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:00.320
What do you call it? Manifesting. That's the
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:03.639
word. Isn't that what manifesting teaches? Yeah,
00:38:03.659 --> 00:38:07.000
if you truly believe in it, then it becomes reality.
00:38:07.579 --> 00:38:09.940
And I think from some of the stuff we've learned
00:38:09.940 --> 00:38:14.679
from quantum physics also seems to support the
00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:17.780
idea that whatever it is our conscious mind is
00:38:17.780 --> 00:38:20.880
thinking and believing is influencing reality.
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:24.579
So maybe sometimes I've often thought about,
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:27.719
and this is sort of. what Aleister Crowley thought
00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:31.440
with their practice of magic or their ceremonial
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:34.679
magic. They didn't necessarily believe that what
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:38.500
they were doing was going to be magic like Gandalf
00:38:38.500 --> 00:38:43.119
in Lord of the Rings. It was more of a trick
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:46.579
to program your consciousness, a trick to challenge
00:38:46.579 --> 00:38:49.300
your consciousness. So to go through these rituals
00:38:49.300 --> 00:38:53.300
to make you believe it more or to make you believe
00:38:53.300 --> 00:38:55.420
in whatever it is that you're trying to pursue
00:38:55.420 --> 00:38:59.269
more. And when looking at ritual in that sort
00:38:59.269 --> 00:39:03.070
of way and coming to it from the point of view
00:39:03.070 --> 00:39:06.150
of believing our consciousness has a whole lot
00:39:06.150 --> 00:39:09.949
more power than is traditionally taught, then
00:39:09.949 --> 00:39:14.210
that ritual takes on a whole other meaning, an
00:39:14.210 --> 00:39:19.130
entire other purpose. And it's not so much that,
00:39:19.210 --> 00:39:21.369
oh, you're communicating with a devil or anything.
00:39:21.469 --> 00:39:25.980
It's you're opening up your own potential. We've
00:39:25.980 --> 00:39:28.559
got this article here from The Collector, which
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:31.280
pretty much describes the principles of Thelema.
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:34.980
So in their principle teaching of do what thou
00:39:34.980 --> 00:39:37.940
wilt shall be the whole of the law. So Crowley's
00:39:37.940 --> 00:39:41.159
detractors said that that was a way of justifying
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:45.300
his decadent lifestyle and hedonism. But according
00:39:45.300 --> 00:39:49.019
to Thelema's practicers, that's not what it means.
00:39:49.139 --> 00:39:51.860
It means that a person should ignore trivial
00:39:51.860 --> 00:39:55.539
things and follow their true destiny. So this
00:39:55.539 --> 00:39:58.119
idea has its roots in Christian philosophy, actually,
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:02.019
of Augustine of Hippo saying, love and do what
00:40:02.019 --> 00:40:05.400
thou wilt. Another core principle for them was
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:08.639
every man and every woman is a star, referencing
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:10.900
Plato saying that we're made of the same thing
00:40:10.900 --> 00:40:14.500
of stars, therefore meant to be a reminder that
00:40:14.500 --> 00:40:16.780
we're more than our own physical bodies. They
00:40:16.780 --> 00:40:20.679
also believed... I guess people pointed at them
00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:22.159
like they were crazy for thinking it, but as
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:23.840
far as I understand, Catholics teach it too.
00:40:23.980 --> 00:40:26.539
They also believe that everybody had their own
00:40:26.539 --> 00:40:30.960
– you have your own non -human higher being assigned
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:33.420
to you, your own basically personal guardian
00:40:33.420 --> 00:40:36.860
angel that you could consult, and they would
00:40:36.860 --> 00:40:40.579
help you advance on your life's mission. But
00:40:40.579 --> 00:40:44.059
the Lemanites believe that that guardian angel
00:40:44.059 --> 00:40:47.800
is actually you. It's not – A guardian angel
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:51.059
sent to just assign to you to watch your whole
00:40:51.059 --> 00:40:53.639
life. It's you. It's your higher self interacting
00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:57.639
with you. That higher self sent us here to embody
00:40:57.639 --> 00:41:01.679
and learn? Yeah. To experience all the emotions
00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:04.059
and all of the things? To complete whatever.
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:07.619
They think everybody's purpose is the pursuit
00:41:07.619 --> 00:41:09.619
of whatever your great work is. And so everyone
00:41:09.619 --> 00:41:13.480
would have an individual great work that is your
00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:17.030
one purpose here in life to complete. Hmm. and
00:41:17.030 --> 00:41:21.349
that you're a higher self, it would be essentially
00:41:21.349 --> 00:41:25.989
like, I guess to give an example that you can
00:41:25.989 --> 00:41:28.110
picture, it's like if I'm playing World of Warcraft,
00:41:28.349 --> 00:41:32.230
and I am the character, but I can also do other
00:41:32.230 --> 00:41:35.230
little things to manipulate the world that my
00:41:35.230 --> 00:41:38.570
character is playing. Is my character aware that
00:41:38.570 --> 00:41:41.489
the manipulation of the world around him that
00:41:41.489 --> 00:41:43.989
he's seeing is actually the person behind the
00:41:43.989 --> 00:41:48.179
keyboard, which is him? They sort of see it like
00:41:48.179 --> 00:41:51.739
that, that you're in more than one spot at once,
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:55.079
that you are that higher self watching you, and
00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:57.320
you are you at the same time. I kind of like
00:41:57.320 --> 00:42:01.960
that. I know. When I first heard about Aleister
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:05.019
Crowley, I thought this man was just straight
00:42:05.019 --> 00:42:08.019
-up devil worship. And the more I read about
00:42:08.019 --> 00:42:10.760
what it is that he was teaching and believing,
00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:13.360
I'm like, well, it sounds rather empowering.
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:18.079
not so dark, you know? So, and then their cosmology
00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:19.820
is, I guess, where it gets a little weird. I
00:42:19.820 --> 00:42:23.880
could see where people might have been weirded
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:26.360
out by that just because it's, you know, that's
00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:28.079
when they start talking about gods and that sort
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:30.880
of thing. But again, I think the purpose for
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:35.320
them was providing a framework for their consciousness
00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:39.000
to operate, to achieve the things that they want,
00:42:39.099 --> 00:42:42.619
to encourage belief in certain things. So they
00:42:42.619 --> 00:42:45.559
believed in, They basically took the Egyptian
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:48.960
gods and renamed them, and they had set rituals
00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:52.460
that they would do to these different gods. Now,
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:55.659
one of their famous rituals, the Babylon Working
00:42:55.659 --> 00:42:59.219
Ritual, is supposedly the ritual that Jack Parsons
00:42:59.219 --> 00:43:03.019
did before he perfected the rocket. And it was
00:43:03.019 --> 00:43:07.079
only through Babylon Working that they were able
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:10.059
to get the rocket. Okay. Now we must know what
00:43:10.059 --> 00:43:14.739
that ritual is. Oh, and I can't leave out, after
00:43:14.739 --> 00:43:16.539
saying all those nice things about Aleister Crowley,
00:43:16.619 --> 00:43:19.440
Aleister Crowley was also a believer in sex magic.
00:43:19.980 --> 00:43:22.280
Which, there's a lot of accusations that our
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:25.000
leaders today are big believers in sex magic.
00:43:26.300 --> 00:43:28.639
Well, we've got to talk about that now. Yeah.
00:43:30.500 --> 00:43:33.900
So, I mean, for their whole sex magic thing,
00:43:34.059 --> 00:43:36.900
it was pretty much... According to them, the
00:43:36.900 --> 00:43:40.500
same thing. It's a tool for discovering one's
00:43:40.500 --> 00:43:43.420
true will. So traditional magical practice, and
00:43:43.420 --> 00:43:46.019
that's magic with a K for Aleister Crowley, is
00:43:46.019 --> 00:43:48.420
not essential to the practice of dilemma. As
00:43:48.420 --> 00:43:52.059
Crowley considered all intentional acts as magic.
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:55.119
So that's an important connotation too. Anything
00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:58.079
done with intention, according to them, that's
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:00.780
magic. And that kind of fits with that whole
00:44:00.780 --> 00:44:03.300
understanding of why our consciousness is helping
00:44:03.300 --> 00:44:07.019
to paint reality. So if we're doing something
00:44:07.019 --> 00:44:08.960
with intention, with the intention of our conscious
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:12.340
and the intention of our physical action, then
00:44:12.340 --> 00:44:15.139
they see it as, well, now you're inserting magic
00:44:15.139 --> 00:44:18.559
into the world. So Crowley suggested that magic
00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:20.960
was a valuable tool for discovering one's true
00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:23.599
will. He also suggested that before engaging
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:26.480
in profound magic, practitioners should prepare
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:29.519
themselves through spiritual practices such as
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:33.980
yoga and meditation. The equinox, which was the...
00:44:34.510 --> 00:44:37.610
which was the periodical for Thelema, does share
00:44:37.610 --> 00:44:39.889
guidance on ritual magical practices largely
00:44:39.889 --> 00:44:41.989
inspired by Crowley's time in the Hermetic Art
00:44:41.989 --> 00:44:45.409
of the Golden Dawn. One of the core elements
00:44:45.409 --> 00:44:48.130
was the Gnostic Mass, which we have to look that
00:44:48.130 --> 00:44:52.090
up, was a magical ritual based on the Mass and
00:44:52.090 --> 00:44:55.309
the Greek Orthodox Church. Crowley thought that
00:44:55.309 --> 00:44:58.849
personal experimentation with magic as a pathway
00:44:58.849 --> 00:45:02.820
of self -discovery was more important. Reflecting
00:45:02.820 --> 00:45:04.960
his own spiritual journey, he encouraged followers
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:07.360
of the Lima to treat magical experimentation
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:11.019
like scientific experimentation. To test hypotheses,
00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:15.019
he suggested skepticism in evaluating the results,
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:17.179
especially for students who are new to magic.
00:45:17.340 --> 00:45:19.900
He wanted followers to keep journals recording
00:45:19.900 --> 00:45:22.860
the outcomes of their experiments and firmly
00:45:22.860 --> 00:45:25.199
believed that they would create a scientific
00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:29.190
vocabulary for the discussion of magic. So for
00:45:29.190 --> 00:45:31.190
those who are magic practitioners, the ultimate
00:45:31.190 --> 00:45:34.750
goal is to cross the abyss and communicate directly
00:45:34.750 --> 00:45:38.409
with your demon, your higher self, so that you
00:45:38.409 --> 00:45:42.110
can truly embody your true will. To do this,
00:45:42.110 --> 00:45:45.369
you must relinquish all ego. But people who try
00:45:45.369 --> 00:45:47.590
to do this without being properly prepared can
00:45:47.590 --> 00:45:51.719
become what they call a black brother. And those
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:54.280
people slowly, as they describe that, as someone
00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:56.659
who is slowly disintegrating from the inside,
00:45:56.719 --> 00:46:00.880
and they then prey on others. And demon is actually
00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:05.619
spelled daemon. D -A -E -M -O -N. Yeah. Which
00:46:05.619 --> 00:46:08.280
is more of just your spiritual presence. Yeah.
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:12.199
Not demon, demon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I misspoke
00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:14.800
on that one. So, anyhow, Crowley, also famously
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:18.849
a strong believer in sex magic. Most of his bad
00:46:18.849 --> 00:46:21.090
reputation came from the fact that he was open
00:46:21.090 --> 00:46:24.150
about his adultery and his homosexuality, which
00:46:24.150 --> 00:46:27.250
was illegal at the time. But sex magic is not
00:46:27.250 --> 00:46:30.789
a cornerstone of Thelema. What's important is
00:46:30.789 --> 00:46:33.010
engaging in practices that help you throw off
00:46:33.010 --> 00:46:36.210
socially instilled inhibitions that block a person
00:46:36.210 --> 00:46:38.349
from seeing and understanding their true will.
00:46:38.510 --> 00:46:41.769
For Crowley, personally, this was sex magic.
00:46:42.030 --> 00:46:47.010
So sex magic was just sex with intention? And
00:46:47.010 --> 00:46:51.630
sometimes intentionally doing things that one
00:46:51.630 --> 00:46:54.690
is uncomfortable with. Okay. Because they were
00:46:54.690 --> 00:46:58.389
trying to break down these. The idea is that
00:46:58.389 --> 00:47:02.550
we've been programmed by society. That's how
00:47:02.550 --> 00:47:05.250
they saw it. From the moment we come into the
00:47:05.250 --> 00:47:08.090
world, we're programmed in these certain parameters
00:47:08.090 --> 00:47:10.869
to operate within their Overton window. And they're
00:47:10.869 --> 00:47:13.079
trying to break. their own consciousness out
00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:15.500
of that Overton window. So they got to break
00:47:15.500 --> 00:47:18.639
down their uncomfortableness toward different
00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:21.079
things so they can discover, or this is what
00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:22.960
they say they're seeking, so they can discover
00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:27.059
what it is that their true will is after. And
00:47:27.059 --> 00:47:29.380
if they have all these other things clouding
00:47:29.380 --> 00:47:32.039
their consciousness, then they can't truly evaluate
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:35.739
what is their true will, what is their great
00:47:35.739 --> 00:47:38.380
work in life. Yeah. Get rid of all your other
00:47:38.380 --> 00:47:41.630
desires. Then you can focus on the real shit.
00:47:41.750 --> 00:47:43.909
And like you were saying earlier, you know, I
00:47:43.909 --> 00:47:46.849
was like, there's so much about what we think
00:47:46.849 --> 00:47:48.849
and believe when it comes to all these things.
00:47:48.929 --> 00:47:51.710
We've kind of been conditioned to think, you
00:47:51.710 --> 00:47:55.829
know, like the minute if you show me someone
00:47:55.829 --> 00:48:01.210
draw a five pointed star in a continuous motion
00:48:01.210 --> 00:48:04.230
with a circle around it and start saying anything
00:48:04.230 --> 00:48:06.630
that I don't understand, my mind immediately
00:48:06.630 --> 00:48:11.219
goes to bad. What they're doing, evil. But why
00:48:11.219 --> 00:48:15.280
is it that I think that? And I've also always
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:18.380
thought that when it comes to stuff like that,
00:48:18.460 --> 00:48:21.500
when it comes to things that we're told are from
00:48:21.500 --> 00:48:24.519
other dimensions, how come the only people who
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:27.079
seem to know how to deal with them, the Catholic
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:29.119
Church who has these exorcists, are the same
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:31.099
people who tell everyone else not to look into
00:48:31.099 --> 00:48:34.880
anything like that? Don't they have to study
00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:38.400
it in order to be able to? claim any knowledge
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:41.039
on this. Supposedly. They're the expert. So they're
00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:42.900
the ones communing with these things all the
00:48:42.900 --> 00:48:45.579
time and they insist that we must not. Yeah.
00:48:46.099 --> 00:48:48.639
Vatican's a completely different topic. Yeah.
00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:52.179
But I agree with you. But yeah, I mean, Aleister
00:48:52.179 --> 00:48:54.340
Crowley is certainly a very, very interesting
00:48:54.340 --> 00:48:57.280
man. He's famously associated with the London
00:48:57.280 --> 00:48:59.719
Lodge of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn.
00:48:59.940 --> 00:49:04.659
But he and his followers rubbed shoulders with
00:49:04.659 --> 00:49:09.400
royalty, with high society circles. And in today's
00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:13.539
world, he is looked at as the father of the modern
00:49:13.539 --> 00:49:17.059
esoteric traditions. So most people into the
00:49:17.059 --> 00:49:20.860
occult today, one way or another, are very likely
00:49:20.860 --> 00:49:23.119
following the teachings of Aleister Crowley.
00:49:23.780 --> 00:49:28.940
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00:49:29.139 --> 00:49:31.340
was one of those followers. He was a follower
00:49:31.340 --> 00:49:35.409
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the other guy. Right. All right. So back to Aleister
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Crowley. And, you know, I was saying he, you
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know, founded the religion, the Lima. Jack Parsons,
00:53:12.829 --> 00:53:15.809
father of modern American rocketry, was a believer
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in this religion. And prior to perfecting the
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rocket, they did this big ritual called Babylon
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Working. And I want to differentiate here that
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Babylon is not spelled like the ancient city.
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It's B -A -B -L -O -N. They believed that Babylon
00:53:35.289 --> 00:53:42.449
was a goddess in their religion. An Egyptian
00:53:42.449 --> 00:53:44.789
goddess, but pretty much, from what I understand,
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like a embodiment of just, here we go. Babylon,
00:53:48.789 --> 00:53:51.190
the goddess of pleasure, also known as the virgin
00:53:51.190 --> 00:53:56.329
whore. And Therion, the beast that Babylon rides,
00:53:56.389 --> 00:53:59.730
who represents the wild animal within man as
00:53:59.730 --> 00:54:02.010
a force of nature. In addition, each person's
00:54:02.010 --> 00:54:05.530
true will manifests as a daemon, which is a kind
00:54:05.530 --> 00:54:09.050
of tutelary deity or personal guardian angel,
00:54:09.150 --> 00:54:11.869
as if everyone had their own personal god. So
00:54:11.869 --> 00:54:14.590
this ritual, pretty interesting how it went.
00:54:15.010 --> 00:54:18.750
Babylon Working was a series of sex magic rituals
00:54:18.750 --> 00:54:22.289
performed by occultists Jack Parsons and L. Ron
00:54:22.289 --> 00:54:24.469
Hubbard. You guys might recognize that name.
00:54:24.690 --> 00:54:27.570
He's the father of Scientology. He was also a
00:54:27.570 --> 00:54:30.409
big follower of Aleister Crowley. So they did
00:54:30.409 --> 00:54:33.650
these series of rituals in 1946 to bring about
00:54:33.650 --> 00:54:38.409
the manifestation of the Thelemic goddess Babylon.
00:54:39.230 --> 00:54:42.289
So inspired by Aleister Crowley's writings, the
00:54:42.289 --> 00:54:45.250
ritual involved invoking the goddess with Hubbard
00:54:45.250 --> 00:54:49.530
acting as a scribe and Parsons using magical
00:54:49.530 --> 00:54:53.610
tablets and masturbation to fertilize a magical
00:54:53.610 --> 00:54:57.349
child. So the ritual culminated in the appearance
00:54:57.349 --> 00:55:01.610
of Marjorie Cameron, an artist that Parsons believed
00:55:01.610 --> 00:55:05.210
to be the embodiment of Babylon. So they wanted
00:55:05.210 --> 00:55:08.269
to. Their goal was to physically incarnate the
00:55:08.269 --> 00:55:11.849
divine feminine figure of Babylon. Now, shortly
00:55:11.849 --> 00:55:15.050
after they did this and Marjorie Cameron shows
00:55:15.050 --> 00:55:17.889
up, there's a bunch of other events that start
00:55:17.889 --> 00:55:22.230
happening back then that made them believe that
00:55:22.230 --> 00:55:24.690
they were successful. So it was right around
00:55:24.690 --> 00:55:29.969
the same time in the late 40s that there was
00:55:29.969 --> 00:55:33.389
the big UFO craze that started sweeping the nation.
00:55:34.019 --> 00:55:36.119
UFOs started being seen everywhere. There was
00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:38.420
the big event where there were all the UFOs over
00:55:38.420 --> 00:55:41.579
Washington, D .C. that gets often brushed under
00:55:41.579 --> 00:55:43.380
the rug, but that was probably the most significant
00:55:43.380 --> 00:55:46.980
UFO event in U .S. history where there were UFOs
00:55:46.980 --> 00:55:49.420
over the Capitol and over the Capitol building.
00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:52.699
And then, you know, right after, there were sightings
00:55:52.699 --> 00:55:55.199
all over the country that kind of led up to that.
00:55:55.260 --> 00:55:57.099
Then they were over the Capitol, and then it
00:55:57.099 --> 00:56:00.500
stopped. And it's always led me to think that...
00:56:01.150 --> 00:56:03.630
There was some communication that happened there
00:56:03.630 --> 00:56:06.030
when they went to the Capitol. Yeah. And what
00:56:06.030 --> 00:56:09.650
a ritual. You got L. Ron Hubbard standing there
00:56:09.650 --> 00:56:12.610
writing it all down while Jack Parsons masturbates
00:56:12.610 --> 00:56:16.469
over some tablets. How many people have done
00:56:16.469 --> 00:56:21.969
this by accident? Ritual? Yeah. Yeah, they did
00:56:21.969 --> 00:56:24.610
that. And it was because of all the UFO sightings
00:56:24.610 --> 00:56:27.550
that they felt like, hey, maybe we were successful.
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:30.579
And they were under the impression also that
00:56:30.579 --> 00:56:33.199
these other entities that they were contacting
00:56:33.199 --> 00:56:34.820
with their rituals and that sort of thing were
00:56:34.820 --> 00:56:40.480
guiding them to complete the rocket. They, very
00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:43.739
much like the father of Russian rocketry, believed
00:56:43.739 --> 00:56:46.719
that there were other intelligences, non -humans,
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:49.840
who had an interest in us reaching the stars.
00:56:50.860 --> 00:56:55.380
But it's hard to, without delving too much into
00:56:55.380 --> 00:56:58.320
their theology, it's hard for me to say, Did
00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:01.619
they think they were talking to non -human entities,
00:57:01.699 --> 00:57:03.119
or did they think they were talking to their
00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:08.420
higher self? Because people interpret it as,
00:57:08.659 --> 00:57:11.159
oh, they went out and did all these rituals and
00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:13.099
things like that. They were communing with demons.
00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:17.500
But if you read what they were saying about their
00:57:17.500 --> 00:57:20.679
writings, it seems like they think that the guidance
00:57:20.679 --> 00:57:24.300
they're getting is from themselves. Yeah, from
00:57:24.300 --> 00:57:26.760
their higher selves. Yeah, and that's totally
00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:30.800
different. understanding versus being in contact
00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:33.079
with something else. Now, we'll say Aleister
00:57:33.079 --> 00:57:35.920
Crowley, when he wrote his book of the law, he
00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:38.340
did not believe he was in contact with his higher
00:57:38.340 --> 00:57:41.719
self. He specifically said he believed that that
00:57:41.719 --> 00:57:45.719
being that directed him to write it, the one
00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:48.820
who was a minister from whatever crazy world
00:57:48.820 --> 00:57:52.360
that was, he said that that being had more knowledge
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:55.400
than him and therefore could not be him. That
00:57:55.400 --> 00:57:57.369
was his thinking. Well, I thought that was the
00:57:57.369 --> 00:58:00.070
whole point of higher self is the greater knowledge.
00:58:00.570 --> 00:58:03.550
Right. Well, but I just know for that one, he
00:58:03.550 --> 00:58:06.210
specifically said he did not believe it was him.
00:58:06.429 --> 00:58:09.929
And that was probably, I'm sure that was in response
00:58:09.929 --> 00:58:12.670
to people trying to ask, well, did you just make
00:58:12.670 --> 00:58:15.510
up this book? And, you know, like the father
00:58:15.510 --> 00:58:18.429
of any religion, it can't come from you. It's
00:58:18.429 --> 00:58:21.070
got to be divinely inspired. Right. You know?
00:58:21.570 --> 00:58:24.090
Well, even like Mormonism, it didn't come from
00:58:24.090 --> 00:58:27.070
Joseph Smith. An angel gave him a magic rock
00:58:27.070 --> 00:58:31.570
to look through. Magic underwear. To read tablets,
00:58:31.730 --> 00:58:37.349
yeah. So the father of Russian rocketry is also
00:58:37.349 --> 00:58:41.269
the father of Russian cosmism, which is this
00:58:41.269 --> 00:58:44.530
philosophical belief that it is our destiny,
00:58:44.710 --> 00:58:48.449
our cosmic destiny, to explore space, to leave
00:58:48.449 --> 00:58:50.869
this planet and explore space. And they believe
00:58:50.869 --> 00:58:54.000
that there were... Other higher intelligences
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:57.420
that are also working toward that end, that they
00:58:57.420 --> 00:59:00.300
are constantly in communication with us and trying
00:59:00.300 --> 00:59:02.079
to work toward that end, that most of the time
00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:05.739
we are just blind to the communication of how
00:59:05.739 --> 00:59:08.280
they try to reach us. Okay, how are they trying
00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:11.840
to reach us? So through patterns, through fractals,
00:59:11.840 --> 00:59:14.780
through all sorts of visual things we see. Basically,
00:59:15.820 --> 00:59:19.369
they took the belief that our... we've all been
00:59:19.369 --> 00:59:24.190
so conditioned by society, by institutions and
00:59:24.190 --> 00:59:26.389
everything to think and see things in one certain
00:59:26.389 --> 00:59:30.090
way that our minds don't even show us the possibilities
00:59:30.090 --> 00:59:32.789
when we see different things. Basically, the
00:59:32.789 --> 00:59:35.769
whole idea that the mind can only entertain or
00:59:35.769 --> 00:59:39.250
see something that it is willing to believe is
00:59:39.250 --> 00:59:41.429
possible. Right, we've all been programmed to.
00:59:41.590 --> 00:59:43.829
Like, have you ever heard the famous story about
00:59:43.829 --> 00:59:47.320
the... How the Native Americans, when Columbus'
00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:50.340
ships were arriving, they couldn't see the ships
00:59:50.340 --> 00:59:53.960
until like the – this is like pulled from – there's
00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:56.079
some movie that was talking about manifestation
00:59:56.079 --> 00:59:58.219
and quantum physics and all that. They were saying
00:59:58.219 --> 01:00:00.780
those natives couldn't see the ships until the
01:00:00.780 --> 01:00:03.639
shaman did his little magic ritual with them
01:00:03.639 --> 01:00:06.739
to get them to see it. So supposedly it was the
01:00:06.739 --> 01:00:10.179
shaman or the village elders and holy man mystic
01:00:10.179 --> 01:00:12.739
that saw the ships first. Everybody else saw
01:00:12.739 --> 01:00:16.159
funny -looking clouds. And then the shaman gathers
01:00:16.159 --> 01:00:20.179
everybody up, does his ritualistic movements,
01:00:20.460 --> 01:00:22.659
whatever he did around them, maybe he did a little
01:00:22.659 --> 01:00:25.179
dance around them, pokes them in the head and
01:00:25.179 --> 01:00:28.300
tells them all, you know, don't you see the ships
01:00:28.300 --> 01:00:30.239
coming? I'm sure he didn't describe it as ships,
01:00:30.300 --> 01:00:32.619
but described it as there's people coming, those
01:00:32.619 --> 01:00:36.000
are vessels. And then after the shaman does all
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:38.179
that and tells them, then the people can see
01:00:38.179 --> 01:00:40.519
it. Now, I don't know if that story is true or
01:00:40.519 --> 01:00:43.179
not, but I know the story is trying to... The
01:00:43.179 --> 01:00:46.059
point of it was trying to display that oftentimes
01:00:46.059 --> 01:00:51.039
our minds will trick us. If our minds, you know,
01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:55.420
our eyes are taking in so much light and everything
01:00:55.420 --> 01:00:58.420
else, and most of which we can't even see or
01:00:58.420 --> 01:01:01.199
comprehend. So our brain just gives us a picture
01:01:01.199 --> 01:01:04.340
of things that make sense. Yeah, I think our
01:01:04.340 --> 01:01:07.360
brain kind of fills in the blanks, and we'll
01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:09.579
see what we're looking for, and everything else
01:01:09.579 --> 01:01:13.239
just kind of gets backfilled. So in that sense,
01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:15.539
sometimes expectation, and according to these
01:01:15.539 --> 01:01:18.119
guys' philosophy, expectation can be the enemy
01:01:18.119 --> 01:01:21.980
of truth. Our preconceived notions or any sort
01:01:21.980 --> 01:01:24.780
of expectation would be the enemy of finding
01:01:24.780 --> 01:01:29.179
truth in any of those things. Well, I think expectations
01:01:29.179 --> 01:01:33.039
are just premeditated resentments in our modern
01:01:33.039 --> 01:01:36.960
day life. But absolutely, expectations will cloud
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:40.539
anybody's judgment. Yeah. And there's a lot of
01:01:40.539 --> 01:01:45.070
speculation that... Even today, with our modern
01:01:45.070 --> 01:01:47.730
space program and rocket program, that there
01:01:47.730 --> 01:01:52.090
is still a lot of esoteric tradition happening
01:01:52.090 --> 01:01:55.829
behind the scene. So almost every single NASA
01:01:55.829 --> 01:02:00.849
mission has some sort of reference to ancient
01:02:00.849 --> 01:02:05.909
gods or ancient pagan gods or mythologies and
01:02:05.909 --> 01:02:07.449
that sort of thing. They do a lot like that.
01:02:08.510 --> 01:02:10.789
And more than that, not just the name, they often
01:02:10.789 --> 01:02:13.530
put stuff on the rocket that they're sending
01:02:13.530 --> 01:02:16.550
in the space that you have to wonder, who's it
01:02:16.550 --> 01:02:18.909
a message for? And they say, well, it's a message
01:02:18.909 --> 01:02:21.650
for our sponsors. There are sponsors out there.
01:02:21.869 --> 01:02:25.429
Yeah. I mean, it couldn't hurt, even if it is
01:02:25.429 --> 01:02:28.349
mumbo jumbo. Right. Well, and what's going along
01:02:28.349 --> 01:02:31.510
with it is that the so the occultists like Jack
01:02:31.510 --> 01:02:33.389
Parsons and these others who are coming up with
01:02:33.389 --> 01:02:36.300
the technology. They don't think that they just
01:02:36.300 --> 01:02:38.760
got the technology just from studying and writing
01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:41.280
on paper. They think the ritualistic nature of
01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:44.539
what they were doing assisted in it. So therefore,
01:02:44.659 --> 01:02:47.179
when they're sending stuff up, they're still
01:02:47.179 --> 01:02:52.519
continuing the ritual. And it's actually logical.
01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:56.460
If I did XYZ ritual in order for me to figure
01:02:56.460 --> 01:02:58.820
out how to make a rocket, and I think that whatever
01:02:58.820 --> 01:03:01.579
told me to do that is telling me that I need
01:03:01.579 --> 01:03:04.599
to continue to follow. steps that are not just
01:03:04.599 --> 01:03:09.159
scientific, then I would do exactly that. If
01:03:09.159 --> 01:03:11.960
something communicated to me to tell me how to
01:03:11.960 --> 01:03:13.760
make a rocket, I would keep listening probably.
01:03:14.099 --> 01:03:17.440
Yeah. Well, why haven't we done this to do non
01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:20.960
-propulsive lift, like the spinning mercury in
01:03:20.960 --> 01:03:23.739
a piece of metal that creates anti -gravity?
01:03:23.780 --> 01:03:26.000
Why haven't we done this to figure out anti -gravity
01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:28.059
yet? I would suspect we probably have somewhere,
01:03:28.199 --> 01:03:32.440
right? So like the famous Nazi bill? you know
01:03:32.440 --> 01:03:34.079
we talked about bills and everything before but
01:03:34.079 --> 01:03:37.619
die glock die glock seemed to be doing just that
01:03:37.619 --> 01:03:41.519
of using mercury and trying to create a um and
01:03:41.519 --> 01:03:44.300
that was the antarctic base wasn't it that they
01:03:44.300 --> 01:03:47.199
were trying to that that we talked about in the
01:03:47.199 --> 01:03:49.739
last episode they were trying to well they set
01:03:49.739 --> 01:03:51.840
up shop down there but die glock apparently they
01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:54.480
were supposedly working on maybe in germany but
01:03:54.480 --> 01:03:56.380
it was never found they found the facility but
01:03:56.380 --> 01:03:58.889
they never found uh There's only drawings of
01:03:58.889 --> 01:04:01.570
it, their big bill. Which, from what we talked
01:04:01.570 --> 01:04:04.550
about in previous episodes, I've always thought
01:04:04.550 --> 01:04:07.429
about Die Glock and looked at it like, oh, it's
01:04:07.429 --> 01:04:10.269
a flying saucer. Of course it's a flying saucer.
01:04:10.309 --> 01:04:13.429
But after what we talked about in last week's
01:04:13.429 --> 01:04:16.530
episode about the bills, I then look at Die Glock
01:04:16.530 --> 01:04:20.389
a lot differently. It's interdimensional. It's
01:04:20.389 --> 01:04:24.570
a big bill, for sure. But is it a vessel to travel,
01:04:24.710 --> 01:04:28.119
or is it a machine? I don't know. At the same
01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:30.039
time they were making dieglock, the whole world
01:04:30.039 --> 01:04:33.940
was supposedly in an arms race. The Nazis rejected
01:04:33.940 --> 01:04:37.159
nuclear weapons because they said that's Jewish
01:04:37.159 --> 01:04:39.119
science. They didn't want nothing to do with
01:04:39.119 --> 01:04:43.099
it. But I think that's really informative, though.
01:04:44.079 --> 01:04:47.159
Because it's not like they rejected Jewish scientists
01:04:47.159 --> 01:04:49.440
and didn't think they were smart. They employed
01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:52.480
a lot of Jewish scientists. So if you know that
01:04:52.480 --> 01:04:54.420
your enemies are working on this superweapon,
01:04:54.559 --> 01:04:56.909
for you to reject the superweapon, you've got
01:04:56.909 --> 01:04:59.409
to have a weapon, right? Yeah. Or you've got
01:04:59.409 --> 01:05:02.090
to be pretty close to your own super weapon.
01:05:02.090 --> 01:05:03.630
You've got to have something that's more powerful.
01:05:04.349 --> 01:05:07.550
Otherwise, you don't just dismiss it. Yeah. And
01:05:07.550 --> 01:05:11.389
dieglock is their mystery weapon they were supposedly
01:05:11.389 --> 01:05:15.369
working on that was never found. Maybe it's a
01:05:15.369 --> 01:05:17.489
flying saucer. Maybe it's a bell. I think it
01:05:17.489 --> 01:05:20.070
was found. Think so? Think the Americans got
01:05:20.070 --> 01:05:22.190
it? Yeah. That's why they collected all the bells,
01:05:22.309 --> 01:05:28.599
including dieglock. So, I guess tying back into
01:05:28.599 --> 01:05:32.360
Antarctica and the Nazis, there was a large hole
01:05:32.360 --> 01:05:34.659
in Antarctica. When they got to the bottom of
01:05:34.659 --> 01:05:37.599
the hole, there was supposedly a pyramid. Really?
01:05:37.719 --> 01:05:41.139
I believe so. Well, I know, I remember hearing
01:05:41.139 --> 01:05:44.829
some talk before, a long time ago, about... People
01:05:44.829 --> 01:05:46.690
claiming, and I'm pretty sure I heard that about
01:05:46.690 --> 01:05:49.130
the North Pole, though, that when Admiral Byrd
01:05:49.130 --> 01:05:51.929
flew to the North Pole, he found a giant hole
01:05:51.929 --> 01:05:54.110
that pretty much he was able to just about fly
01:05:54.110 --> 01:05:59.789
into and described seeing more greenery and almost
01:05:59.789 --> 01:06:03.510
like a world within. Supposedly, this post is
01:06:03.510 --> 01:06:06.170
showing a gigantic pyramid, larger than any ones
01:06:06.170 --> 01:06:10.920
that we've currently encountered. Anybody who's
01:06:10.920 --> 01:06:13.400
been looking at Antarctica online for some time
01:06:13.400 --> 01:06:16.019
has seen the pyramid that is supposedly visible
01:06:16.019 --> 01:06:19.219
from Google Maps. That's a giant one. I have
01:06:19.219 --> 01:06:21.800
a hard time believing that countries spend all
01:06:21.800 --> 01:06:24.900
this money just to study cold weather conditions
01:06:24.900 --> 01:06:27.800
at the bottom of the world. I definitely think
01:06:27.800 --> 01:06:30.440
there's more to it. Of course, yeah. And it's
01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:32.260
just like, well, what is that more? Are we down
01:06:32.260 --> 01:06:34.219
there messing with pyramids? Is it the edge of
01:06:34.219 --> 01:06:36.869
the world? What's going on there? I desperately
01:06:36.869 --> 01:06:39.389
want to believe that the people who run the world
01:06:39.389 --> 01:06:42.110
are actually good guys on the side of humanity,
01:06:42.349 --> 01:06:46.050
and that maybe there's some outside threat that
01:06:46.050 --> 01:06:49.730
they're not telling us about, that they're secretly
01:06:49.730 --> 01:06:52.869
preparing to fight, you know? Speaking of under
01:06:52.869 --> 01:06:55.289
the ice and that sort of thing, Tim Burchard,
01:06:55.429 --> 01:06:58.690
represented by the Congress, he was recently
01:06:58.690 --> 01:07:01.869
quoted talking about the hearings they've gotten
01:07:01.869 --> 01:07:04.940
and said that... That there are aliens in deep
01:07:04.940 --> 01:07:07.860
water areas on Earth. So what if it's not aliens?
01:07:07.960 --> 01:07:11.300
What if it's the Nazis? What if it's Antarctica
01:07:11.300 --> 01:07:14.059
and they're deep under the ocean? Have you ever
01:07:14.059 --> 01:07:17.800
seen the movie? It's a more recent movie. It's
01:07:17.800 --> 01:07:20.039
kind of action. It's a little bit funny. It's
01:07:20.039 --> 01:07:23.260
where the Nazis are on the moon and they launch
01:07:23.260 --> 01:07:25.900
an invasion on Earth. They're hiding up there.
01:07:26.699 --> 01:07:31.679
It's like Nazis with dinosaurs. Let's see. That's
01:07:31.679 --> 01:07:35.659
pretty awesome. It was pretty hilarious. Iron
01:07:35.659 --> 01:07:40.179
Sky, I highly recommend. It is hilarious. And
01:07:40.179 --> 01:07:42.659
I'm pretty sure it's got Halle Berry in it. Iron
01:07:42.659 --> 01:07:47.280
Sky. Iron Sky. Got an old, decrepit Hitler and
01:07:47.280 --> 01:07:50.659
Halle Berry trying to save the world. The Nazis
01:07:50.659 --> 01:07:53.179
have set up a moon base. And they've got some
01:07:53.179 --> 01:07:56.039
project. They're going to try to make everybody
01:07:56.039 --> 01:07:59.739
Aryan. But one thing I thought about after...
01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:03.480
Hearing Tim Burchard say that, oh, you know,
01:08:03.539 --> 01:08:07.119
there's a few of these deep water sites that
01:08:07.119 --> 01:08:09.599
all the UFO activity happens at. And he went
01:08:09.599 --> 01:08:12.440
further saying that he doesn't think the UFOs
01:08:12.440 --> 01:08:14.679
are coming from off world. He thinks maybe they
01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:17.640
came here a long time ago, but that they've set
01:08:17.640 --> 01:08:19.859
up shop and that they're under the ocean. And
01:08:19.859 --> 01:08:23.239
I kind of combined that story or that claim from
01:08:23.239 --> 01:08:25.939
him with our thermonuclear test under the water.
01:08:26.039 --> 01:08:30.159
And now all the brass is meeting. So I looked
01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:31.899
up, when's the last time we did an underwater
01:08:31.899 --> 01:08:35.119
thermonuclear test? It was the 60s. It was in
01:08:35.119 --> 01:08:38.020
the Bikini Islands? I believe so. But it was
01:08:38.020 --> 01:08:40.979
the 60s. And there's a treaty to stop it after
01:08:40.979 --> 01:08:44.899
that. But what if we've just been preparing for
01:08:44.899 --> 01:08:49.300
a battle with non -humans? So that would be like,
01:08:49.399 --> 01:08:52.420
if we have to have World War III apocalyptic
01:08:52.420 --> 01:08:56.500
scenarios, if I could... Pick my favorite scenario.
01:08:56.640 --> 01:08:59.000
My favorite scenario where our leaders are actually
01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:02.439
on our side is one where there's like aliens
01:09:02.439 --> 01:09:04.439
have secretly been in charge of the world for
01:09:04.439 --> 01:09:07.300
a long time. And human leaders have been slowly
01:09:07.300 --> 01:09:10.279
planning a rebellion. And now they're going to
01:09:10.279 --> 01:09:12.979
try to throw off the shackles of those who currently
01:09:12.979 --> 01:09:15.340
run the world. But that would be too good to
01:09:15.340 --> 01:09:18.699
be true to think that it's all been this long
01:09:18.699 --> 01:09:23.220
plan to save us all. Surface dwellers against
01:09:23.220 --> 01:09:26.180
the. Subterranean? Under the ocean. Or aquatic?
01:09:26.659 --> 01:09:31.840
Yeah. Wouldn't that be something? Because I brought
01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:33.479
it up in previous episodes. There's the long
01:09:33.479 --> 01:09:35.260
-running conspiracy that they're going to fake
01:09:35.260 --> 01:09:38.460
an alien invasion. But what if they're not going
01:09:38.460 --> 01:09:40.640
to fake it? What if it's not faking an alien
01:09:40.640 --> 01:09:43.560
invasion? It's a human rebellion. And they sell
01:09:43.560 --> 01:09:46.619
it to us like an alien invasion. I don't know.
01:09:47.380 --> 01:09:50.500
But according to Representative Tim Burchard,
01:09:50.989 --> 01:09:53.010
And this is what he's been told, what he says
01:09:53.010 --> 01:09:55.350
he's been told by admirals in their hearings
01:09:55.350 --> 01:09:59.449
and where Congress has told information. We've
01:09:59.449 --> 01:10:03.189
observed football field -sized craft moving at
01:10:03.189 --> 01:10:06.149
hundreds of miles an hour underwater. That's
01:10:06.149 --> 01:10:09.689
impressive. And anything with those kind of capabilities
01:10:09.689 --> 01:10:12.750
would blow us out of the water. any size craft
01:10:12.750 --> 01:10:15.550
at 100 miles an hour underwater underwater yeah
01:10:15.550 --> 01:10:17.909
and then you know we know from the things we've
01:10:17.909 --> 01:10:19.670
seen they can not only go that fast underwater
01:10:19.670 --> 01:10:23.369
they can go that fast above the water so oh yeah
01:10:23.369 --> 01:10:25.909
yeah in the videos it showed that one of the
01:10:25.909 --> 01:10:28.649
ones that was recently i think the last couple
01:10:28.649 --> 01:10:32.770
years the air force had been tracking this object
01:10:32.770 --> 01:10:34.670
and it was darting around and then it all of
01:10:34.670 --> 01:10:37.170
a sudden goes underwater for a couple of miles
01:10:37.170 --> 01:10:39.909
and then pops back out and then gone Like it
01:10:39.909 --> 01:10:41.729
was toying with us. Like it was investigating
01:10:41.729 --> 01:10:46.170
us. And then, poof. See ya. See you later. So
01:10:46.170 --> 01:10:48.430
what do you, you know, you combine that with
01:10:48.430 --> 01:10:50.789
the little buzz that people have said, oh, the
01:10:50.789 --> 01:10:54.050
Sumerian gods are returning. Do you think, if
01:10:54.050 --> 01:10:56.409
we are to see aliens in our lifetime, or if we
01:10:56.409 --> 01:10:58.350
are to see non -human intelligence in our lifetime,
01:10:58.510 --> 01:11:00.729
do you think it's going to come from the skies
01:11:00.729 --> 01:11:04.010
or under the ocean? I should phrase it differently.
01:11:04.109 --> 01:11:05.770
Do you think it's going to come from here? Will
01:11:05.770 --> 01:11:08.859
they just reveal themselves? And already be present
01:11:08.859 --> 01:11:11.720
here? Or will they be arriving? I definitely
01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:13.880
think they're already here. But I think there's
01:11:13.880 --> 01:11:17.000
multiple races. And I also think that we won't
01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:20.300
know about the others until another one from
01:11:20.300 --> 01:11:23.479
outward world really shows up to stir the fucking
01:11:23.479 --> 01:11:26.899
pot. Yeah. I think. Should we look at our predictions?
01:11:27.460 --> 01:11:31.560
Hell yeah. So we had our equinox surge in occult
01:11:31.560 --> 01:11:34.300
interests as rare planetary alignment occurs.
01:11:35.159 --> 01:11:37.960
September 23rd. I think we fell for the surge
01:11:37.960 --> 01:11:41.479
in occult interests with our episode today. Yeah.
01:11:42.060 --> 01:11:46.180
Focused on the occult. The Pope making his statement.
01:11:46.279 --> 01:11:48.920
I don't think we've got nothing really new about
01:11:48.920 --> 01:11:52.399
the Pope other than war talk. No, the Simpsons
01:11:52.399 --> 01:11:55.239
predicted that Trump was going to make a statement
01:11:55.239 --> 01:11:58.300
about an alien expose of some sort. Well, we
01:11:58.300 --> 01:12:01.340
might just get that with this whole Pentagon
01:12:01.340 --> 01:12:04.760
calling all the generals. and admirals all in
01:12:04.760 --> 01:12:07.880
one location, we might just get a big alien announcement
01:12:07.880 --> 01:12:10.859
soon. And also, Trump's supposed to have a heart
01:12:10.859 --> 01:12:12.920
attack in four days, according to The Simpsons.
01:12:13.159 --> 01:12:17.760
Ooh. I hope we don't get that. I still believe
01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:22.840
that after the Charlie Kirk thing, I still feel
01:12:22.840 --> 01:12:24.960
like another event is coming for the country,
01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:28.659
that we're not out of the water yet. Yeah. But
01:12:28.659 --> 01:12:31.020
I hope it's not that event, because I don't know
01:12:31.020 --> 01:12:34.000
that the country can handle that event. Like,
01:12:34.020 --> 01:12:37.520
I don't think there's a way that Trump can die
01:12:37.520 --> 01:12:40.420
that people aren't going to feel like, that he
01:12:40.420 --> 01:12:43.420
could die in office, that people would not believe
01:12:43.420 --> 01:12:48.239
foul play had happened. Yeah. Like, no matter,
01:12:48.359 --> 01:12:51.300
even if it's a heart attack, people will say
01:12:51.300 --> 01:12:55.500
foul play, you know, if he goes in office. Speaking
01:12:55.500 --> 01:12:58.000
of foul play, I saw some more on Charlie Kirk
01:12:58.000 --> 01:13:00.800
that somebody was theorizing that the reason
01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:02.989
that they were doing construction on that. pad
01:13:02.989 --> 01:13:05.149
so quickly that there was a structure that was
01:13:05.149 --> 01:13:07.970
built underneath there's a like a trap door or
01:13:07.970 --> 01:13:10.210
something system yeah there's a whole tunnel
01:13:10.210 --> 01:13:12.369
system underneath and they paved over it immediately
01:13:12.369 --> 01:13:16.090
it's crazy crazy i don't know what to think with
01:13:16.090 --> 01:13:20.229
the charlie gary thing anymore i i i am i i feel
01:13:20.229 --> 01:13:23.050
only certain that we're being lied to by our
01:13:23.050 --> 01:13:25.529
government but why i have no idea there's apparently
01:13:25.529 --> 01:13:29.289
the feds are pressuring the authorities in utah
01:13:29.289 --> 01:13:35.090
to to close the investigation. Wrap it up. You
01:13:35.090 --> 01:13:38.310
got a lone gunman. It's done. Close the book.
01:13:38.510 --> 01:13:41.869
Jesus Christ. Yeah. And there's been a lot of
01:13:41.869 --> 01:13:47.409
buzz online about what we're being told is the
01:13:47.409 --> 01:13:49.930
sign language sign for I love you that Erica
01:13:49.930 --> 01:13:53.329
Kirk made on stage next to the president. Tell
01:13:53.329 --> 01:13:56.130
us about it. What happened there? So, I mean,
01:13:56.149 --> 01:13:58.409
it was super odd. Memorial service, right? Yeah,
01:13:58.409 --> 01:14:01.789
she's at the memorial service in her beautiful
01:14:01.789 --> 01:14:04.670
white dress, you know. Not many people would
01:14:04.670 --> 01:14:06.010
wear white to an event like that. Yeah, who wears
01:14:06.010 --> 01:14:08.689
white to a funeral? Your husband's funeral. Right.
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Well, I mean, she's taken over the organization
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and it struck a lot of people as odd. But she's
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going up on stage and she's being comforted by
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President Trump. Trump's hugging her. And then
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Trump sort of taps her. And she looks up at him,
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and he points up with one finger, so he's clearly
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signaling her. And then she then makes what is
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either the Hail Satan sign. What did you say
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it might be? Oh, the shocker. Either the Hail
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Satan. I want to say it's the shocker, but if
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it's the two outside fingers, it's like. The
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horns. And the thumb was extended too. So they
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were saying, oh, she was doing sign language,
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I love you. But it still just strikes me as odd.
01:14:55.500 --> 01:14:58.539
I find it hard to believe because it's obvious
01:14:58.539 --> 01:15:00.880
that Trump signaled her to do it. He pointed
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up. So it's hard for me to believe that she went
01:15:03.420 --> 01:15:07.140
up to hug President Trump and Trump says, do
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sign language, I love you. It's just hard for
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me to see him. saying that i don't know it's
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so weird and he had a line in his speech too
01:15:16.119 --> 01:15:18.220
that uh there's been a lot of masonic references
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there was you know the fbi they searched for
01:15:21.500 --> 01:15:24.979
33 hours for the killer 33 hours and cash patel
01:15:24.979 --> 01:15:27.520
even pointing out he said we found him in less
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than 36 hours 33 to be precise so so hmm and
01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:36.800
then uh beyond that when trump was speaking at
01:15:36.800 --> 01:15:39.000
the memorial talking about charlie he could have
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said a lot of things he could have said Charlie
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was a great leader. Charlie was a great father.
01:15:44.279 --> 01:15:46.300
Charlie was a patriot. There's a lot of things
01:15:46.300 --> 01:15:49.159
you could have said. But he said, Charlie was
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a master builder. And there's a pause. And he
01:15:51.920 --> 01:15:55.579
goes, a master builder of people. But that just
01:15:55.579 --> 01:15:58.500
struck me as odd. Because master builder, these
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are ranks within Freemasonry. Yeah, the master
01:16:01.640 --> 01:16:03.640
builder is definitely a rank in Freemasonry.
01:16:03.699 --> 01:16:08.199
Why is there all of this alluding to Freemasonry?
01:16:08.300 --> 01:16:11.010
Why are they making it so obvious? Are they trying
01:16:11.010 --> 01:16:13.869
to pin it on the Masons? I don't know. Well,
01:16:13.989 --> 01:16:16.229
it's obvious that it's a cover -up. I don't know
01:16:16.229 --> 01:16:17.810
why they would try to pin it on the Masons, because
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our entire government's Masons. And maybe I'm
01:16:22.170 --> 01:16:25.750
being rude in assuming that the Masons are vulnerable
01:16:25.750 --> 01:16:28.590
to the point that something could be pinned on
01:16:28.590 --> 01:16:31.090
them, and they don't already control most of
01:16:31.090 --> 01:16:33.250
what's going on. I don't think they're vulnerable.
01:16:34.570 --> 01:16:36.449
Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. I don't
01:16:36.449 --> 01:16:38.470
think so either. But I don't know what group
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is in conflict with the Masons. There's got to
01:16:41.130 --> 01:16:45.010
be. There's a duality. There's always a duality.
01:16:45.130 --> 01:16:47.430
So there's some other group that is in conflict
01:16:47.430 --> 01:16:49.909
with the Masons. And sometimes I wonder if even
01:16:49.909 --> 01:16:53.710
amongst the Masons is the conflict amongst themselves.
01:16:54.250 --> 01:16:56.850
Because there's different branches. There's Scottish
01:16:56.850 --> 01:16:58.670
Rite Freemasonry. There's all these different
01:16:58.670 --> 01:17:02.909
branches. So maybe they're... In conflict with
01:17:02.909 --> 01:17:05.109
one another. But yeah, there's got to be a duality.
01:17:05.189 --> 01:17:08.250
They can't exist without some opposing force.
01:17:08.550 --> 01:17:11.770
Yeah. And there's a book out there that talks
01:17:11.770 --> 01:17:15.609
about how the history of America can't be really
01:17:15.609 --> 01:17:18.449
understood without understanding these secret
01:17:18.449 --> 01:17:20.750
societies moving in the background. So I saw
01:17:20.750 --> 01:17:24.170
this video the other day, too, which might lead
01:17:24.170 --> 01:17:27.720
into a topic for another episode. At Trump's
01:17:27.720 --> 01:17:30.899
inauguration, Barron Trump leans in and says
01:17:30.899 --> 01:17:33.840
something to Biden into his ear and the look
01:17:33.840 --> 01:17:36.640
on Biden's face. Oh, he looks so startled. I
01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:39.100
remember that. He's like, what the fuck did he
01:17:39.100 --> 01:17:42.159
just say? Yeah, no, I remember that every, it
01:17:42.159 --> 01:17:45.119
was among conservative circles that circulated
01:17:45.119 --> 01:17:47.359
a lot and everybody was speculating that he was
01:17:47.359 --> 01:17:50.020
basically threatening Joe Biden saying that,
01:17:50.100 --> 01:17:51.579
you know, we're going to go after you like you
01:17:51.579 --> 01:17:55.119
did my father. Yeah, potentially. I think some
01:17:55.119 --> 01:17:58.909
of the, theories behind all of that is um well
01:17:58.909 --> 01:18:03.510
beyond that really is um that there's books out
01:18:03.510 --> 01:18:06.750
there that that are that show like baron trump
01:18:06.750 --> 01:18:09.770
the the last president of the united states yeah
01:18:09.770 --> 01:18:12.010
from the what that's kind of scary thought like
01:18:12.010 --> 01:18:14.630
last president means that no more united states
01:18:14.630 --> 01:18:17.630
no more united states or no more republic at
01:18:17.630 --> 01:18:21.029
least yeah the government falls or some huge
01:18:21.029 --> 01:18:24.949
paradigm shift One more crazy thing for the Kirks
01:18:24.949 --> 01:18:28.189
before I forget. Can't not mention this. So Erica
01:18:28.189 --> 01:18:30.050
Kirk, there's speculation now that she's going
01:18:30.050 --> 01:18:33.210
to go and start another ministry. Erica Kirk
01:18:33.210 --> 01:18:36.649
had a ministry before she met Charlie Kirk. Charlie
01:18:36.649 --> 01:18:40.729
Kirk married into money. So her family is a lot
01:18:40.729 --> 01:18:43.770
wealthier than his was. And Erica Kirk has connections
01:18:43.770 --> 01:18:48.149
to Donald Trump. Before Charlie Kirk. So she
01:18:48.149 --> 01:18:50.489
was in his Miss USA pageants. She was encouraged
01:18:50.489 --> 01:18:54.029
to go work for Charlie Kirk. She was. She was
01:18:54.029 --> 01:18:58.229
in his Miss USA pageants. So, you know, just
01:18:58.229 --> 01:19:00.609
like this whole Trump -Epstein connections everybody's
01:19:00.609 --> 01:19:02.989
been talking about. The one thing Trump and Epstein,
01:19:03.029 --> 01:19:05.829
one thing, not the one thing, but one thing that
01:19:05.829 --> 01:19:08.210
Trump and Epstein have in common is they both
01:19:08.210 --> 01:19:12.149
made a career procuring young women with Trump's
01:19:12.149 --> 01:19:17.170
pageants. Yeah. He's in the world of the elite.
01:19:17.369 --> 01:19:19.409
You've got all these young women coming through
01:19:19.409 --> 01:19:22.069
there, beautiful young women coming through all
01:19:22.069 --> 01:19:25.010
the pageants, Miss USA, Miss Arizona, all those
01:19:25.010 --> 01:19:27.130
different states. I think there's a whole lot
01:19:27.130 --> 01:19:29.590
of potential for abuse there. Probably was some
01:19:29.590 --> 01:19:33.350
abuse going on. But Erica Kirk used to have a
01:19:33.350 --> 01:19:35.430
ministry. They used to operate internationally.
01:19:36.229 --> 01:19:38.930
They were once operating in Romania until they
01:19:38.930 --> 01:19:42.869
were kicked out of Romania. for accusations of
01:19:42.869 --> 01:19:46.909
child trafficking and human trafficking. So there's
01:19:46.909 --> 01:19:49.829
nothing but speculation around them right now.
01:19:49.970 --> 01:19:51.989
Nothing's been proven that they've done anything
01:19:51.989 --> 01:19:54.649
wrong, so I don't want to make it seem like I'm
01:19:54.649 --> 01:19:56.649
implying that there's more there than speculation,
01:19:56.930 --> 01:20:00.470
but the speculation don't look good. No. All
01:20:00.470 --> 01:20:02.930
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