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Speaker 3: Welcome back to this episode of Deebo and Joe. I'm your host, James Deebo Harrison, and I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like, subscribe, and download where you get your show.
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Speaker 2: How you doing today, Joe?
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Speaker 4: Brother Deebo, I'm doing great. I'm doing good.
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Speaker 5: Nice and hydrated, back in my crib, back in the humble abode.
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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? Watched the game, got to kick it last night with the family. Feeling great. Feeling good.
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Speaker 2: Feeling good. Feeling hydrated. You know, ain't got nothing sitting off on the edge. Ain't got, you know.
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Speaker 4: No, sir.
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Speaker 2: I understand. I understand.
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Speaker 1: That's a good thing, Joe. That's a real good thing. I appreciate it. What time did you get back yesterday?
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Speaker 4: I got back. Flight was at 6.30. Landed around.
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Speaker 3: At night?
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Speaker 2: No, no.
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Speaker 4: Flight was at 4.00. Flight was at 4.20, and I landed at 6.30. I landed at 6.30.
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Speaker 2: You were supposed to take off at.
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Speaker 1: 6.30, 12 hours ago, but you ain't land until 6.30, 12 hours later.
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Speaker 5: I went to the airport, downloaded a show on Netflix. I was watching some Netflix and just chilling.
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Speaker 2: Netflix and chilling. Yeah, wonder, wonder, wonder. Look here, man. We're going to get into a little bit.
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Speaker 4: Great game.
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Speaker 2: A little bit of still stuff. Still stuff first? We're going to get into a little bit. No, no.
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Speaker 1: We're going to jump that game, but we're going to have to get into a little bit of still stuff. We had to We had to do some things on Monday. I guess Mike had some things to talk about on Monday at his press conference that we're going to go ahead and jump into after we get through with this game here. But we're going to give this game the attention it deserves.
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Speaker 2: No question, Joseph. No question, Joseph. Because Atlanta, they went out there and they sort of did their thing, man.
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Speaker 4: Yes.
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Speaker 2: Atlanta started off with the Rock Brothers.
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Speaker 4: They didn't take long.
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Speaker 2: And they said London. Didn't take long. First down, Penn State to London for a high 12.
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Speaker 4: Did stiff arm.
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Speaker 5: Look, it's just a give it to him for a little, like, the pass wasn't past the line of scrimmage.
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Speaker 2: Give it here, London.
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Speaker 4: Stiff arm you to the ground, and let me get this 12. It's not just.
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Speaker 2: They're getting out of control with these stiff arms.
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Speaker 5: Because the DBs, now they're trying to ball search and trying to come up there and trying to. No, you got to go low, wrap his legs up. All that coming up high, he gets his hand on your face, and then he stiff arms.
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Speaker 2: What happened to the first man short of the tackle?
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Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
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Speaker 5: You got to secure the tackle up first until the ball can get punched out.
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Speaker 2: Second down. Finish goes to Hopper.
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Speaker 4: Screen.
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Speaker 2: He get nine. And then second and one. That man, B. John Robbins. You know what B. John mean?
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Speaker 1: They say that mean hero. They say that mean hero, Joe. B.
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Speaker 2: John mean hero, Joe. They say that's what B.
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Speaker 1: John mean.
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Speaker 4: You know, it's a Persian name. They say it's Persian.
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Speaker 5: My wife is Persian. My wife said, Bijan, that's Persian. And my son looking like, is Bijan Persian? I said, I don't think so, son. Can you speak any Persian?
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Speaker 4: I have a little Farsi. Okay. Badeen.
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Speaker 2: Badeen. Okay. You know what I'm saying? That man killed him with that 59-yard touchdown. Yes, he did. He killed everybody's angle, bro. How fast is that?
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Speaker 4: That's what I paused it for my kids. He was behind the 50-yard line.
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Speaker 5: The DBs, how fast is the fastest person on the New Orleans Saints? Because everybody's angle, they started going for pylon instantly. You three yards ahead, and you talk about eating up the angle, and he did it so smooth.
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Speaker 4: He was cruising.
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Speaker 5: When he showed his face, Deebo, I said, how fast is this man?
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Speaker 4: Like, he got in the hole.
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Speaker 2: Tell me. I need to know what his miles per hour was.
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Speaker 4: He was cruising at 23 miles an hour. Had to be.
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Speaker 1: Bro, it looked like he was a sprinter out there just comfortably striding out, striking out.
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Speaker 5: They was too high. And it was, it wasn't only, it was the good blocks by London ceiling, but it's the little Hezzy that he takes with his just patience, setting up these blocks and setting up the secondary, because you're thinking you don't know if he's going to go inside.
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Speaker 4: He knows he's going to jump back outside.
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Speaker 2: He knows he's going to jump outside.
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Speaker 4: Stop playing peek-a-boo with that lineman.
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Speaker 2: Stay in your cab.
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Speaker 4: Yes, that's what I'm saying, but that just makes his patient.
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Speaker 5: You can't teach that because then that little burst and then he takes off at.
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Speaker 4: 100 miles an hour. It was special, Deebo.
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Speaker 2: Special. Stop, bro.
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Speaker 3: 7-0.
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Speaker 2: Start off. We only three plays deep. 7-0.
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Speaker 1: New Orleans get out there and Atlanta defense like, nah, we ain't having none of that.
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Speaker 2: Three and out. Get up out of here.
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Speaker 1: We ain't going for it. Atlanta get the ball back. I think first down, Pennix to branch with nine. Dijon picks up three on the next play, gets the first down.
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Speaker 2: And then they defense, you know, they stand up.
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Speaker 6: Yes, this was the first. Atlanta goes for them with that fourth and seven. No, they got to delay a game. They got to delay a game. Ended up having to go ahead and punt it.
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Speaker 5: I seen Pennix was throwing a couple of just little bad passes there.
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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? A little quick incompletes.
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Speaker 2: A little here and there.
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Speaker 4: So, ain't tripping.
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Speaker 2: Ain't tripping. Ain't tripping.
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Speaker 1: New Orleans get the ball back. They go ahead and get a hot little encroaching penalty. So, that move it to, what was it, first and five. Defense, they drop Miller for a two-yard loss. Second down, they end up false starting, popping that thing back to, what, second and 12.
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Speaker 2: And then, What's the dude's name? How do you say the quarterback's last name? Slay? Sly? Slay? Something like that. I don't know. Yeah. Shuck. Shuck. That's it. Shuck. That don't look like shuck.
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Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you this, though. Shuck through a dot. Under pressure.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Under pressure.
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Speaker 1: Nice pass to Johnson. 23-yard completion. Coming across the middle right there. First down. I think they went on head, gave the ball to.
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Speaker 2: Kamara, he went on ahead. I think it was four. And then Slate hit him for another five.
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Speaker 1: Put him to that third and one. Ended up sneaking it for the first down. And then Slate hits Kamara again.
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Speaker 4: Scream.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he picks up a high low. What was it? Five or 17? Yeah, he got 17.
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Speaker 4: He took a 17 on that one.
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Speaker 2: Yes, he took a 17 on that one. Atlanta's defense would be able to hold them.
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Speaker 1: They'd force a field goal, 52-yard field goal that they'd force, and he misses it. Now they got the ball back. Atlanta got the ball back, and I'm like, they about to do the thing, and they don't do it. They go ahead and stand up. New Orleans defense stand up. They get that sack on that third down.
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Speaker 2: Say, uh-uh. We got defense, too.
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Speaker 4: Hold it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Go ahead and punt that thing back over.
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Speaker 2: New Orleans, get the rock. First down, I think it was Miller. He got the ball, took it, and I'm looking at it, dude, and I'm like, are they going to check that? Because it looked like he might have got that ball out before he went down.
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Speaker 4: Oh, you're talking about the ball search?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I'm like, he might have got that out before he went down. It was moving a little bit. That's a great play.
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Speaker 2: But that's when.
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Speaker 4: You're the second man in.
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Speaker 2: You can come for the ball. Right.
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Speaker 4: You can come in and out.
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Speaker 2: Come for the ball.
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Speaker 5: I never had that in me because I'm trying to get the tackle. That's what I'm worried about first because I'm victim weight. I need to get him on the ground first. That's why you don't get stiff. I'm going to get stiff if I do that. So that's why I'm always, I wasn't being able to go ball search because if you try to go up there trying to go punch it.
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Speaker 4: You're exposing yourself. His arms might be able.
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Speaker 5: To get to my forehead and now I'm stiff armed.
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Speaker 4: No, sir.
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Speaker 5: I'm shooting lower. I'm going to wrap your legs up. Hopefully, a second man can come and punch that ball out. I have to get you on the ground. I have to secure the tackle.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. They reviewed it. They gave it to them.
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Speaker 1: They had the New Orleans 22. Atlanta get out there, and first down, it's a holding call. So, I think they end up holding B. Johns like, what was it, maybe three yards on the next few plays, and they end up going for it on the fourth and fourth.
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Speaker 5: Incomplete pass, but And on this one too, my man, Penix had had Bijon wide open in the flat you gotta just you gotta just toss it up there just toss it over the den toss it over Chase that was a good play by Chase getting his hands up but it's you got a whole stadium throw the ball up a little.
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Speaker 2: Bit higher.
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Speaker 1: Throw it up a little bit higher it didn't matter man It didn't matter. They got first and goal at the four. Hand that thing on over to Bijon. He take a four-yard touchdown.
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Speaker 2: 14-0. Yes, sir.
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Speaker 4: 14-0.
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Speaker 1: New Orleans get out there, and they like, yo, we're going to go ahead and see if we can't answer.
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Speaker 4: We got to do something.
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Speaker 2: Olivia? No, Olave.
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Speaker 4: Olave.
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Speaker 6: Olave.
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Speaker 4: Olave. Yes, Olave, bro.
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Speaker 2: I'm thinking the cigar. That's what it was.
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Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 2: Yes. Anyway.
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Speaker 1: He gave 44. And then I think it was, what was it, Lance? He got like seven. They got to the three-yard line right there. And then Kamara, he come in there, he finished that thing off, three-yard touchdown run.
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Speaker 2: It's a game now.
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Speaker 1: Now you're putting up a fight. Now you're putting up a fight. But Atlanta, they said, hey, we got these boys over here. We do things too. They said, hey, let's do it.
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Speaker 2: Ten plays. Six by yard. Touchdown. Okay. Just under six minutes.
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Speaker 4: Yep.
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Speaker 2: Pennix would hit Pitts to start it off.
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Speaker 4: And then after that, five straight runs.
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Speaker 2: Hi, Bijon.
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Speaker 4: Hi, Brian.
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Speaker 2: Both brothers.
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Speaker 4: Let's just go.
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Speaker 1: Robber sentence. Rushing the ball and receiving the ball. Pennix then goes to London for the 27th.
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Speaker 5: Because now, when you run it five times in a row, you can do the play action.
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Speaker 2: Play action. Go eat you up.
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Speaker 4: Seven route. High to low. Good ball. Go eat you up.
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Speaker 2: Brian come in there like, yo, let me get a tutty. Four yards. Touchdown. 21 to seven. It looked like it might be getting out of hand.
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Speaker 1: And it starts getting just a little bit out of hand because New Orleans get out there and Atlanta's defense say no.
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Speaker 5: And that's what makes it good because Atlanta, they're.
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Speaker 4: Scoring some points, but you can make stops.
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Speaker 5: You can get three and outs. Get the ball back to your offense. Not every time, but make a play. Quick three and out. Get them to rock back.
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Speaker 2: Quick three and out. Get them boys to rock back. They say, we're going to go ahead and do what we got to do with it. And it's London. Again, 37 this time. Dijon going ahead for 11 on the nuts. And then he go for eight. Man.
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Speaker 1: He should probably, like, I don't know what's going on. This dude move different, bro. Like, do you see, like, that should have been, like, that age should have been, like, maybe a.
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Speaker 4: Three-yard game, bro. Maybe.
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Speaker 5: Deebo, that's what I'm trying to say, that the vision that he has with the cuts, the acceleration.
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Speaker 4: He's setting people up.
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Speaker 5: And that's like with like Le'Veon Bell was setting people up, but he just doesn't have that burst with this speed to get to top speed.
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Speaker 4: And just take off on people.
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Speaker 5: So the same thing with Le'Veon of being able to set up the blocks, your linemen, you putting them in with a little hesitation.
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Speaker 4: You're getting your linemen.
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Speaker 5: In premier like leverage spots to now all I got to do is take off. And him being able to get from zero to 60 at that speed is something I haven't.
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Speaker 4: I'm like, son, do you see this? Do you see how good this?
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Speaker 2: Oh, I know you called me.
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Speaker 4: You like, hey, are you watching what I'm watching?
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Speaker 2: Because this is this is what? Man, he got that eight should only been three Robinson, other Robinson, Brian Robinson. He come in.
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Speaker 1: He pick up five for the first down and then second down. Penix hits pits for 10 and a first down. New Orleans would find a way to hold them. They end up making them settle for a field goal 24-7. That's the other appendix on that.
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Speaker 5: On the out route right there, third and seven, if you can throw that just where he can maybe turn up the field.
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Speaker 4: You just a little bit, little.
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Speaker 5: He only had five incompletions, but like the tip one by Chase, the little three, the out route right there on third and seven, it's just little things, but you're not turning the ball over.
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Speaker 2: I can live with that. Now we can hit a field goal. You know what I'm saying? We up again.
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Speaker 4: We up 24.
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Speaker 2: We up 24-7.
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Speaker 4: Yep.
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Speaker 1: New Orleans get out there, man. They start moving the ball a little bit. They pick up a couple first downs.
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Speaker 2: They get into full field goal range. And then on the first down, dude ends up getting sacked out of field goal range.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Now the defense stands up. They hold them down and they force them to have to punt the right.
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Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. Then, but don't break Atlanta's defense.
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Speaker 5: Still, they got the drives going sack, knock them out of field goal range.
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Speaker 4: No points. You pumped. Going in the halftime.
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Speaker 2: Up 24-7.
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Speaker 1: New Orleans starts the third quarter. They were put together, though. 13 plays, Joe. Almost seven and a half minutes.
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Speaker 5: And this is where Shutt was making plays.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they would only get a field goal, Joe. You can't waste that much time, man, and only come.
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Speaker 2: Out with three.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right.
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Speaker 2: Like, you got to get seven on that one. And then that little reverse, that little handoff they did to, who was that? Oh, man. He fired on. They fired on too sweet, man.
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Speaker 4: They sure did.
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Speaker 2: I didn't know if he was going to get up.
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Speaker 1: You know, that's one of them ones where, you know, if you ain't got them knee pads in right, you go feel that little twang.
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Speaker 2: That little twang. They go on here, they holler at it. Get a hot little... Hot little three on there. So now it's 24 to 10. Atlanta come out there and they answer big.
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Speaker 4: They say, yeah. Nine plays, Joe. 74 yards.
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Speaker 2: Almost five and a half minutes to score a touchdown. The second down.
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Speaker 4: On that one, they was getting however they wanted. Pitt. Oh, yeah. Rijon.
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Speaker 2: Ryan.
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Speaker 1: He got 23 right there. Robinson went nine. And then I think it was 10. And then they ended up dropping him for a hot little two. But on third and 10, Pennis went right back to London for 14.
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Speaker 4: First down.
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Speaker 2: Two plays later, here come Brian. Give me the rock. Let me go in for eight. 31 to 10, getting.
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Speaker 4: Out of hand, Joe.
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Speaker 2: 31 to 10 is getting out of pocket. 31 to 10, getting out of pocket. But you know what New Orleans did, brother? They put together word. They said, yo, we're going to finish it this time. 13 plays, brother. 68 yards. Fave, I love P.I. It was a couple of minutes in there, too. It was a couple of minutes in there, too.
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Speaker 4: I said it. I said it.
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Speaker 2: There were a couple of minutes in there, okay? They did this in just over four minutes, okay?
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Speaker 1: But they did it in the process of two fourth down conversions, which is hard to do, you know?
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Speaker 2: But... They score. It's 31-17. But you only got like, what is it, 12, 13 minutes left in the whole game? And then y'all let Atlanta come out there in a cool five plays, Joe.
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Speaker 1: Five plays, Joe. Let the man score a touchdown. Jump that thing 38-17. Piddocks to Pitts for 23. Then it's Bijon, Bijon, Bijon.
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Speaker 2: 3-5-5 first down. And Penix finishes it off to Dotson for a 31-yard touchdown.
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Speaker 5: Because, look, they're getting it how they want it, Deebo. They're running it. They're passing it. You don't know which way is up. You don't know which way is down. Because Dee going to hand it off to them. And by this time, play action, deep shot, bang, bang. You're looking crazy.
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Speaker 4: Five plays.
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Speaker 2: Five plays. Y'all had a chance. You were in it.
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Speaker 4: You were trying to stand.
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Speaker 2: No.
00:18:09
Speaker 4: You don't know which way is up and down.
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Speaker 2: New Orleans get back out there. It's basically over.
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Speaker 1: They go ahead and they turn it over on downs and get sacked on the fourth down.
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Speaker 4: Look, self-inflicted wounds. It's fourth and one, and you false start to make it fourth and six.
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Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 4: Sacked.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Atlanta get the rock back, man.
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Speaker 1: Like, they right there. They ain't got far to go. I don't even know what they was trying. Because they had, B. John wasn't in there, man. It was just three plays. Brian, he was like, yo, just give me the rock.
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Speaker 2: Don't hit. We trying to run the clock. Run the clock out. Three, seven, 11 yards.
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Speaker 5: The 11-yard touchdown was so disrespectful. He ran through the whole mob, Depot. It was three legitimate, like a full-blown wrap-up.
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Speaker 4: Fall off me. Boom. Get off me. Another one.
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Speaker 2: Off the phone, Joe.
00:19:05
Speaker 4: I said, oh, man, they gave up. 44-17.
00:19:12
Speaker 2: 45-17.
00:19:13
Speaker 4: The game was over.
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Speaker 2: 45-17, man. Game was basically over.
00:19:16
Speaker 4: That was a great catch to try to get some points.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, try to get some points and end up the game with 45-24. Atlanta, bro, they different, bro. They looking way different with Pennix in there, man. Like, it's a total different team. 15 to 20, was it 223, one touchdown. Like, how much better, dude, is Atlanta with....
00:19:50
Speaker 4: With panic Senate quarterback. It's night and day.
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Speaker 5: And the thing is with their team, it, this is why I love when I'm watching football teams that are just, it makes sense. When you have a great running game, when you can do play action, when you can just hand the ball off to your backfield and run the ball to 33 times for 207 yards and five touchdowns.
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Speaker 4: I don't care. I could be the quarterback for this team. Not in a crazy way.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's not go that far.
00:20:19
Speaker 4: No, no, no. I couldn't.
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Speaker 2: I couldn't. I couldn't.
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Speaker 4: I couldn't. I couldn't be the quarterback for this team.
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Speaker 5: But I'm saying, a manageable, professional quarterback that can just run these play actions. Pennix, I'm not going to. All right, let me not take it from Debo. All right, let me not go that far. But what I'm saying is, if you're a comparable quarterback, they're not asking Pennix to do anything.
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Speaker 2: You're saying Rush wasn't comparable.
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Speaker 4: What do you mean?
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 4: No, no. He was throwing the ball.
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Speaker 2: Oh, just asking the question. Boy, don't shoot the message.
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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no.
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Speaker 5: And Penix, at the same time, they're not asking of him to do too much.
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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
00:20:54
Speaker 5: Like when he's running these play actions, the thing that's happening, if you can't run the ball the way the Atlanta Falcons can run the ball, it won't open up the pass game. When they were playing rush, he was missing wide open guys. When you can get the ball to Drake London on these single coverage, get the, like, because there's not, they're in the position where you're having single high to now when you can pass the ball to him. Because everybody, you're playing two-eye safeties. You see Bijan, you're handing off his patience. Ryan Robinson, his patience. When I'm looking at it too, I'm like, damn, he only got to carry the ball 19. When I'm looking at a couple of drives, Bijan's not in there. He's getting his rest. They're using them so well with, Bijan, if he was just a single, if he was the only back out there, his numbers would be even crazier. He's still legitimately splitting time, giving this other man. And I love it for the Falcons because he's taking the wear and tear off his body. So for them, you got to be able to run the rock the way that they're running, which sets up the play action pass.
00:21:53
Speaker 4: And you're making.
00:21:54
Speaker 5: Your quarterback a couple of times on that third and seven where he like didn't, Penix threw a pass on that when they missed. And then just a couple of plays, like in the tip pass to Bijon when Chase Young came and tipped it, he was wide open right there.
00:22:08
Speaker 2: 15 for 20.
00:22:10
Speaker 5: If you hit those two, it's even a better performance and you didn't have to do too much. So with the Atlanta Falcons, the way that the play calling is going, the way that the running backs are running the ball when you can just turn and hand it to them and you get five, at least a tote, two of them things, it's a first down.
00:22:26
Speaker 4: It starts the drives.
00:22:27
Speaker 5: It just makes it so much easier for a quarterback, for an offense to get.
00:22:31
Speaker 4: A flow going.
00:22:32
Speaker 5: And in the defense, you don't know what's up or down. You like, all right, we're behind. It's second and five. They can run it for a first down. They can play action it over our heads. We don't know what's going on. So you're never really at a point where you can attack them. They attacking you. They got you looking crazy. Hand off, hand off, maybe not hand off. They started off first and 10. Play action, 28-yard joint, because y'all expecting them to come out, run it on first down, you know what I'm saying, get established. No, right now, they got y'all running. not knowing what's going on. Yeah, they ain't knowing which way is up, Joe.
00:23:07
Speaker 4: Literally.
00:23:08
Speaker 2: I'll say this.
00:23:11
Speaker 1: While Penix does make them far better, the combination of the two with B.
00:23:20
Speaker 2: John and Penix is just... You mean B.
00:23:25
Speaker 4: John and Brian?
00:23:25
Speaker 2: Sorry. Sorry. No, no, no, no. Penix and Bijan.
00:23:31
Speaker 4: Okay, Penix and Bijan.
00:23:32
Speaker 2: Penix and Bijan. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:23:34
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Penix. Now, Robinson, yes, he does add to it. That's no question about it. But again, if I didn't have him there, I could still get more of that workload to Bijan. So, you know, for me, it is the combination of the two. It's like the car. What's the car that you need two keys for to start it? And you start one engine, another engine.
00:23:51
Speaker 4: It's one of those cars. I don't know.
00:23:53
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. Anyway. Okay. It's like you need two keys for the thing. It's like it's one of those supercars or something crazy, whatever.
00:24:00
Speaker 1: That's what you got right here, man. You got, like they say, numbers. The numbers, when you look at the numbers, the numbers ain't going to lie to you, Joe. Like these boys go from eight points a game in the first two games. All this is first two games to the second two games, averages. You got eight points to now it's 40 points a game. You got 262 yards to now it's 459. Like, you got seven turnovers in the first two games to now one. A negative 38-point differential to a plus 42.
00:24:38
Speaker 2: Like, this is two stars, bro. Like, just the two stars.
00:24:41
Speaker 1: Man, at 73% pass completion.
00:24:45
Speaker 2: Like, almost 479 passing yards in those two games. 113 passer ratings. Like, look, even Bijan, he played, we played him.
00:25:00
Speaker 1: He went, the first two games, he had 83 yards and then he had 72 yards. The last two games, 194 and 145.
00:25:09
Speaker 2: Like, crazy work. Like, you're talking about a running game that just did, what is it, 205 yards on 35 carries? That's almost six yards in carries, yo.
00:25:22
Speaker 1: Penix killed him and That was only 20 passes.
00:25:26
Speaker 2: 15 to 20, dude. 223 yards.
00:25:29
Speaker 1: London got five for 96. Like, they were four or five in the red zone. Like, it wasn't.
00:25:36
Speaker 2: Anything that they could have... Well, they could have did better.
00:25:41
Speaker 4: That's the crazy thing.
00:25:42
Speaker 2: They still missed a few. You know what I'm saying? I don't... The combination of the two is unbelievable. I don't really... If they can stay healthy, I see this being an issue for a.
00:25:58
Speaker 4: Whole lot of teams, Joseph.
00:26:01
Speaker 5: It's like you said, if you can run the ball for 207 yards, 33 times and score five touchdowns, you're going to be a problem for anybody. That's going to be a tough situation to be in. And when you have Michael Penix, you saying it the right way, he's not hurting your team. He's making the right plays.
00:26:20
Speaker 4: He's not. And there's a couple little plays he could do.
00:26:22
Speaker 5: But 15, like you said, with his stat line, that's going to win the game. You're not turning the ball over. You're not harming your team. The incomplete passes that you have don't. don't go into turnovers. So it's not taking points off the board. Y'all are still the one to be John. They still got an end zone. They still score seven points on that same drive. So it's like, and then the, the, the, the one where he turned when he threw the bad pass for the third and seven, they still got a field goal.
00:26:46
Speaker 4: So you're not harming your team. So this thing is still going.
00:26:50
Speaker 5: If he can make those passes to London, if these dudes can stay healthy with this running game, it's going to be a problem. And then the defense, like you said, the defense, um, Bend but don't break on a lot of stuff. And then if you can make a couple three and outs, get a couple of three and outs, get the ball back to your offense to when they can do 10 play drives for seven minutes. And the third quarter, it was only two possessions. You know what I'm saying? There's not a lot of time for them to be able to get out there. Your offense, you get them the ball. They hold it for the whole drive. You get it back to them quick. They hold it another 10 minutes. You keep the offense off the field.
00:27:28
Speaker 2: Joe. Yo, I'm looking at this. That 59-yard run, my dude was at a 21.85 mile per hour.
00:27:36
Speaker 4: He was cruising. He was cruising.
00:27:40
Speaker 2: Yo. That's on his own feet.
00:27:45
Speaker 1: That ain't on the machine and just lift him and put him down. You know what I'm saying? I might be able to lift him and put him down at 20 on the machine, Joe.
00:27:55
Speaker 4: He in that thing full pads.
00:27:58
Speaker 2: Full pads. Zink, zink, zink. Gravity, gravity to the ground. Pressing it himself.
00:28:03
Speaker 4: Getting messy.
00:28:04
Speaker 2: Full body weight.
00:28:05
Speaker 4: Getting messy.
00:28:05
Speaker 2: Full body weight, Joe. Let's go on over here, man.
00:28:09
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy had his press conference on Monday.
00:28:14
Speaker 2: And he talked about a few things. One of those.
00:28:16
Speaker 1: Things is us, we need to clean house. He had this to say. Run that for me, please.
00:28:26
Speaker 7: You have to play your best football each and every week to win in this league. You definitely play better than your opponent. So that's really part of why we're going about tomorrow the way we're going about it, because we need to clean our own house. Our house is not clean right now.
00:28:41
Speaker 2: And I get it. It's week five.
00:28:44
Speaker 7: So you're hard-pressed to find a team or two that feels really good about where they are right now. And that's the norm. So we're going to stay after the you know, the focus of what we need to work on. So that's, that's what this weekend was about for, you know, for me. And, and we've been working on as the coaching staff and then we'll have, you know, we'll have clear factors and of what we need to do as far as cleaning our house.
00:29:11
Speaker 2: And then we'll get ready to go beat Indianapolis. I mean, that's the plan. Yes, sir. Yeah. What do you take from that statement?
00:29:22
Speaker 5: I take this is exactly what you need to go do after the first quarter of the season.
00:29:27
Speaker 4: Self-evaluation.
00:29:28
Speaker 5: And when me and you are talking about you're not doing the basic things correctly, you got to get back to those. Like, there's nothing that the other team is going to do in the stadium to hurt you if you're sitting there.
00:29:40
Speaker 4: Hurting yourself and.
00:29:41
Speaker 5: Not being in your gap, not being able to play cover two when you're playing cover two, not being able to communicate and know exactly what your alignment, your assignment and your technique is. You're going to go out there right now. You're Steelers hurting Steelers. So right now when you're saying clean house, we're talking about self-evaluating, getting back to the basis of what am I not communicating with you guys?
00:30:01
Speaker 4: What are you guys not understanding?
00:30:03
Speaker 5: So right now it's a whole inside thing going on with the coaches and the players.
00:30:08
Speaker 4: We got to figure this thing out together because what.
00:30:10
Speaker 5: Do we do good? What do we not do good? What do we communicate well? What do we not communicate well? It's time for us to fix this. The only people in here is us. So let's get that stuff together from the beginning because we can't just be going out there.
00:30:23
Speaker 4: Number three, basic things.
00:30:25
Speaker 5: We're not going to be able to get better if we can't get the alignments right. our assignments, and know our techniques. So I hear it's week four, that is first week of the season. You're like, oh yeah, it's self-evaluation.
00:30:37
Speaker 4: A lot of teams aren't, teams aren't where you want to be right now.
00:30:39
Speaker 5: Like some teams are in different positions than others, but you're always trying to peak towards the end of the season. You don't want to start off hot right now when you.
00:30:47
Speaker 4: Just are terrible.
00:30:48
Speaker 2: No, no, no.
00:30:49
Speaker 4: We're two and two.
00:30:50
Speaker 5: The first two games, I mean, the first four games, let's evaluate this, see what we're doing right, what we're doing wrong. Why do we keep stepping up and biting the cheese on the defense. Why do we not know.
00:31:00
Speaker 4: What we're communicating?
00:31:01
Speaker 5: What is it that we're not doing right as a team? What am I not communicating you right to as a coach? What are you guys not understanding as a defensive scheme? So I think when he's saying this, I completely understand because you can't go out there and not know what the hell you're doing for yourself. You're beating yourself. Don't... Don't make the other team beat you. Make it be they made a play on us. We were on the person and they just made a play. So we can live with that stuff. So when he said self-evaluating, we're self-evaluating offense. Where's your block? Do you know what you're doing? Like, you gotta know what the hell you're doing. inside and out before we even start talking about the X's and O's of what the other team's doing we got to know our stuff so I think with him saying this I'm like thank you coach because me and Debo can't sit out here and see people just letting the same thing happen over and over and over again and we know it so we like this we we can't we don't have nothing to say Debo's gonna crash out because he feels like this basic things that you're doing wrong it's not a skill thing right it's a It's a thing where it's like, dude, are you listening?
00:32:06
Speaker 4: What are they coaching you? Why don't you understand where to be?
00:32:10
Speaker 2: So that's where it's like, okay, coach, self-evaluate yourself.
00:32:13
Speaker 5: Y'all are getting it. We understand. That's why me and Deebo will sit here and not trying to bash. Cause it's like, I can't get to why y'all guys are losing when you don't understand what the hell you're doing.
00:32:23
Speaker 2: You need to help me help you.
00:32:24
Speaker 5: You to that situation when you to that point.
00:32:27
Speaker 4: So that's, I think that's what coach is saying.
00:32:29
Speaker 2: Help me help you.
00:32:31
Speaker 1: He actually talked about getting back to the bases. He had this to say. Run that for me real quick.
00:32:36
Speaker 2: Thank you.
00:32:37
Speaker 7: Mike, as you go through self-scouting this week, what were some of the things you attribute to the missed tackles, especially in.
00:32:43
Speaker 2: That Cleveland game?
00:32:44
Speaker 7: I think just like a lot of things when it comes to the fundamentals of football, it starts with the footwork. I think it's why you have to train that. It has to be part of your daily fundamental coaching menu, which we do.
00:32:57
Speaker 2: We start every.
00:33:00
Speaker 7: You know, every beginning of that segment of practice with team fundamentals and tackling is involved in that, you know, different types of drills that we have.
00:33:09
Speaker 2: So and that's really what it is, too.
00:33:12
Speaker 7: And, you know, the pursuit and cover, you know, pursuit, the defense, defense and coverage units and the cover from the offensive group and the return group. We need to be better there, you know, so on a pursuit, cover and finish. And I'd say the footwork.
00:33:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to go back to the whole clean house. The clean house statement for me, you know, it's more of just like you said, we got to worry about the things in the house. Like we have to worry about stillers and the stillers, you know, making the stillers look like the stillers should look.
00:33:52
Speaker 2: We're going to self-scout.
00:33:53
Speaker 1: We're going to see, you know, what's going on, take a deeper dive. It's the first quarter of the season. We got a nice little piece of stuff, of plays to look at, film to look at, so that we can go out there and evaluate ourselves and see, like, yo, we're diving into what we're.
00:34:16
Speaker 2: Doing that the other team has nothing to do with.
00:34:19
Speaker 1: It's not like they're going out there and just dog walking you, dominating you.
00:34:24
Speaker 4: Listen.
00:34:24
Speaker 1: Tackling is an issue. Like he said, it's not acceptable. The fundamental things we got to do right. Footwork, alignment, assignment, execution, other defense. Like we're making errors. We got mental errors. We got lack of communication and detail. You know, we're sitting at 500 right now.
00:34:43
Speaker 2: And the stuff that I'm seeing that's beating us is self-inflicted wounds.
00:34:49
Speaker 1: Nothing to do with the other team. We're just beating ourselves. Like, we can't even do the regular fundamental things like, hey, make a tackle.
00:34:59
Speaker 2: That's something you got to do.
00:35:00
Speaker 1: Like, so what we got to do is figure out, like, yo, is it the players that we need to switch? Are you not understanding what we're telling you to get done? Is it the defense call?
00:35:13
Speaker 2: Is that something that may need to change on what it is that we're playing against other teams? Like, we got to figure out whatever it is that we need to fix. If it's play calling, if it's players.
00:35:25
Speaker 1: Obviously, it's a big breakdown in communication because we've seen that when you got two safeties sitting on the same half. Like, come on. Like, we know it's an issue. And basics, we got to do the basics things basics. He talked about the offense, too. He said, you know, addressing our third down issues. He had this to say.
00:35:46
Speaker 2: If you would have told me.
00:35:49
Speaker 7: That our production of third and seven plus is what it is, and then we'd have 34, whatever the number is, of third and two to six. We have lead-to-league type opportunities in third and two to six. We're not making the easier ones in third down. Third down is our number one focus on offense. So man-to-man is part of that. Don't get me wrong, but our third downs need to be better. That's where we're not getting it done.
00:36:18
Speaker 2: Yes, sir. We're not getting it done in a lot of areas.
00:36:21
Speaker 1: He also addressed, I guess, the little altercations that we had, you know, on the sidelines on the field with a couple of players.
00:36:30
Speaker 2: Listen to this. Obviously, there was that exchange that was on camera between you and Aaron. Is that a normal level of tense between how you two communicate or was that above and beyond a way, a productive method of communication?
00:36:44
Speaker 7: I wouldn't say it was normal, but I think the reality of it is, you know, it's the It's a 20-year relationship. I think the fact that we were able to sit and talk numerous times over the weekend about that and a number of things.
00:36:59
Speaker 2: But, yeah, I specifically, as I've stated, I'm.
00:37:07
Speaker 7: Hopefully not to put any pressure on my daughter. I'm getting the grandfather age. I don't want to be saying those type of words. But it's an emotional thing. emotional competitive environment. I think it's something that we can definitely learn from.
00:37:23
Speaker 2: Mike, between that interaction and the interaction between TJ and the coaches upstairs, where do you.
00:37:30
Speaker 7: Draw the line between competitive fire and insubordination? I think you've got to also remember things don't always look the way they really are. The facts sometimes aren't always present with people think the situation is too. And I think some of those instances were that. But we've asked these players to trust us. We've asked them to do a lot of things that are different in what they've done. So with that, you're going to have communication opportunities that may not be exactly the way you prefer them to be.
00:38:08
Speaker 2: But I think today we're better from it. Joe, do you think any of our players are overstepping or being insubordinate, Joe? No, I do not at all.
00:38:24
Speaker 5: I think if they weren't doing this, I would care a lot more. I think that at the end of the day, they're professionals. TJ, he knows what's up to standard and what's not up to standard.
00:38:36
Speaker 4: He cares. He actually cares. I'm just worried.
00:38:39
Speaker 5: When he's doing this, it's just, is this talk productive? Like, coach, what do we got.
00:38:45
Speaker 4: Going on out here?
00:38:45
Speaker 5: I think it's always, we're trying to figure out a way to make the team better and.
00:38:50
Speaker 4: Figure out, he's frustrated, obviously.
00:38:53
Speaker 5: So I don't, I'm not going to, step into it too much because I think if TJ Wild was just sitting there on the sideline, quiet, letting us get whooped and didn't care, I think I would have a completely different feeling because I know he cares. He wants us to be not messing up he's the leader of the defense so i don't think when he's over there just yelling and screaming it's a different thing of yelling and screaming effing everybody but are we doing this and trying to execute something and come up with a plan figure out what we are doing wrong you know what i'm saying so it's just it's going to look crazy because he cares he's passionate we're in the game getting ran on we're getting we're giving up explosive plays what are we doing this is not how we practice so if you have a great player that actually he cares and he's out there still it's not changing his performance he's still strip sacking he's trying to get the job done he's so when you have a players like that you have A-Rod and Coach McCarthy Get the play in. If he's screaming about things that are really just trying to get the team better and execution better, I'm all for it, A-Rod, because you don't want to be sitting out there. If you're not getting the call in, get the call in.
00:39:58
Speaker 4: What the fuck are we doing? He cares.
00:40:01
Speaker 5: He wants to get it in. He wants to have time to make checks and get to the line. So if that's the problem- He's talking to his coach, trying.
00:40:07
Speaker 4: To get it fixed.
00:40:09
Speaker 5: So I just like, they care. So Coach McCarthy's like, okay, boom, we're understanding. Sometimes you guys don't know. It looks can be deceiving. We're trying to get things going. We're trying to figure it out.
00:40:19
Speaker 4: It's not like the, man, no.
00:40:21
Speaker 5: We're passionately talking about how we can fix a problem. that is happening on this field that we're playing and we're.
00:40:28
Speaker 4: All in front of each other. Who cares what the optics look like? We're trying to figure something out.
00:40:32
Speaker 5: It might look like we're about to fight, but we're not at all. We're just trying to figure something out. Two passionate people trying to get this thing working.
00:40:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
00:40:42
Speaker 1: We can't worry about the optics, the delivery, all that other stuff. The reason TJ is going off is because he's in a position right now and he's like, yo, what are we doing? Especially when you're out there and you're in something that you know is dope.
00:40:58
Speaker 4: We shouldn't be in this right now. We shouldn't be going through this.
00:41:01
Speaker 2: They're about to do what I think they're about to do.
00:41:03
Speaker 1: We shouldn't be in this.
00:41:06
Speaker 2: This is not the call for it. So, you know, I don't think it's too far. I mean, when you look at the level of what.
00:41:14
Speaker 1: It is that you need, especially whatever that situation may be or the circumstances, like, I don't draw a line where a player's response or reaction can be too much or insubordinate unless you're in a position where everything is going great and you're just not getting what it is that you want. Like, we're dominating. We're playing well. Everything's going good. And now I see you, you know, up there flabbergasting, popping off, doing whatever you're doing. Then, yeah, that's something totally different. Things are going as planned.
00:41:47
Speaker 2: I get it. I care. Like, yo, what's going on?
00:41:51
Speaker 1: Like, and we're not in positions to do the certain things that we're supposed to do. We got players that's not even where they're supposed to be. What is going on?
00:42:00
Speaker 2: I've never, you know, I can't say I've ever went off on like a, well, yeah, I have. I'll take it back.
00:42:07
Speaker 1: I've went off on a couple, but it was probably in practice. I've never went off like a, like, in the game. But also, I also had, like, you know, Dick LeBeau as a D coordinator. So, you know, his understanding and knowledge of the defense and the things that he was going to put us in, he already knew what it was. Like, Coach LeBeau was like, hey, you know, pull us to the side. Like, hey, they do this again, we're about to do this. Now, they can hurt us right here. So, just be aware.
00:42:33
Speaker 2: Like, he already putting that in your head on the sideline. Like, making sure that you know.
00:42:37
Speaker 1: Like, I told you, this man sit there without a you know what i what what i call she and matter of fact i think the only time i ever it wasn't even in the hit i don't even know it wasn't even close to the bow that like like we were upset it was a game that we were playing in and like dude we like hey a certain player we're like yo he's not in the game bro like he's not here like he ain't here you're not listening to him like pull him out Man, my guy done got struck up on, like, two, three times, bro.
00:43:10
Speaker 2: I'm talking, you know, 30, 40, 30 long balls. Bro, we coming off the field, and look, Kiesel, and we're talking to somebody, like, yo, get him out of here, out of the game, now. Like, what are we doing?
00:43:27
Speaker 4: Like, bro, are we trying to lose?
00:43:29
Speaker 2: Like, dude, I was....
00:43:32
Speaker 1: And again, like, Because you care. He's hurting the team. Like, we're talking to him. I'm not even talking to him. There's somebody else that's talking to him. And they're like, yo, what's going on? What happened on that play? You know, I give you a reasonable excuse.
00:43:45
Speaker 4: Okay, cool.
00:43:46
Speaker 1: What happened on this one? And I'm talking to Ike. I'm like, Ike, bro, what did he say? And the first one, I give me the excuse. I'm like, all right, cool. And the second one, I'm like, yo, what did he say?
00:43:59
Speaker 2: And I go.
00:44:03
Speaker 2: I said, bro, what'd he say? And he told me what he said. I'm like, oh, he gone. He said, yeah.
00:44:09
Speaker 1: It wasn't until he got hit again that they actually went on here and got him up out of there.
00:44:15
Speaker 5: Did he say anything? He told you what he said. You ain't going to say what he said.
00:44:17
Speaker 2: No, he was gone. Okay.
00:44:20
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was spooked. I'm telling you, sometimes you... He was spooked, yes. You saw it in his eyes. He wasn't there.
00:44:26
Speaker 2: It wasn't even... It was the response. It was the response.
00:44:30
Speaker 1: You know how you, hey, man, hey, what happened right here?
00:44:33
Speaker 2: Oh, man, I just got, you know, boo, boo, boo, boo. What happened right here?
00:44:36
Speaker 4: I don't know.
00:44:37
Speaker 2: Huh? You can't. What?
00:44:39
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. Hold up. Oh, yeah. Get him up.
00:44:44
Speaker 1: He can't do nothing else for us for the rest of this game.
00:44:47
Speaker 2: We got to get him up.
00:44:48
Speaker 4: You're hurting us.
00:44:50
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to this episode of Deebo and Joe. I'm your host, James Deebo Harrison, and I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like, subscribe, and download where you get your show.
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Speaker 2: How you doing today, Joe?
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Speaker 4: Brother Deebo, I'm doing great. I'm doing good.
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Speaker 5: Nice and hydrated, back in my crib, back in the humble abode.
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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? Watched the game, got to kick it last night with the family. Feeling great. Feeling good.
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Speaker 2: Feeling good. Feeling hydrated. You know, ain't got nothing sitting off on the edge. Ain't got, you know.
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Speaker 4: No, sir.
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Speaker 2: I understand. I understand.
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Speaker 1: That's a good thing, Joe. That's a real good thing. I appreciate it. What time did you get back yesterday?
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Speaker 4: I got back. Flight was at 6.30. Landed around.
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Speaker 3: At night?
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Speaker 2: No, no.
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Speaker 4: Flight was at 4.00. Flight was at 4.20, and I landed at 6.30. I landed at 6.30.
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Speaker 2: You were supposed to take off at.
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Speaker 1: 6.30, 12 hours ago, but you ain't land until 6.30, 12 hours later.
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Speaker 5: I went to the airport, downloaded a show on Netflix. I was watching some Netflix and just chilling.
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Speaker 2: Netflix and chilling. Yeah, wonder, wonder, wonder. Look here, man. We're going to get into a little bit.
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Speaker 4: Great game.
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Speaker 2: A little bit of still stuff. Still stuff first? We're going to get into a little bit. No, no.
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Speaker 1: We're going to jump that game, but we're going to have to get into a little bit of still stuff. We had to We had to do some things on Monday. I guess Mike had some things to talk about on Monday at his press conference that we're going to go ahead and jump into after we get through with this game here. But we're going to give this game the attention it deserves.
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Speaker 2: No question, Joseph. No question, Joseph. Because Atlanta, they went out there and they sort of did their thing, man.
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Speaker 4: Yes.
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Speaker 2: Atlanta started off with the Rock Brothers.
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Speaker 4: They didn't take long.
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Speaker 2: And they said London. Didn't take long. First down, Penn State to London for a high 12.
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Speaker 4: Did stiff arm.
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Speaker 5: Look, it's just a give it to him for a little, like, the pass wasn't past the line of scrimmage.
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Speaker 2: Give it here, London.
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Speaker 4: Stiff arm you to the ground, and let me get this 12. It's not just.
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Speaker 2: They're getting out of control with these stiff arms.
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Speaker 5: Because the DBs, now they're trying to ball search and trying to come up there and trying to. No, you got to go low, wrap his legs up. All that coming up high, he gets his hand on your face, and then he stiff arms.
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Speaker 2: What happened to the first man short of the tackle?
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Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
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Speaker 5: You got to secure the tackle up first until the ball can get punched out.
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Speaker 2: Second down. Finish goes to Hopper.
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Speaker 4: Screen.
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Speaker 2: He get nine. And then second and one. That man, B. John Robbins. You know what B. John mean?
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Speaker 1: They say that mean hero. They say that mean hero, Joe. B.
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Speaker 2: John mean hero, Joe. They say that's what B.
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Speaker 1: John mean.
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Speaker 4: You know, it's a Persian name. They say it's Persian.
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Speaker 5: My wife is Persian. My wife said, Bijan, that's Persian. And my son looking like, is Bijan Persian? I said, I don't think so, son. Can you speak any Persian?
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Speaker 4: I have a little Farsi. Okay. Badeen.
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Speaker 2: Badeen. Okay. You know what I'm saying? That man killed him with that 59-yard touchdown. Yes, he did. He killed everybody's angle, bro. How fast is that?
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Speaker 4: That's what I paused it for my kids. He was behind the 50-yard line.
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Speaker 5: The DBs, how fast is the fastest person on the New Orleans Saints? Because everybody's angle, they started going for pylon instantly. You three yards ahead, and you talk about eating up the angle, and he did it so smooth.
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Speaker 4: He was cruising.
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Speaker 5: When he showed his face, Deebo, I said, how fast is this man?
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Speaker 4: Like, he got in the hole.
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Speaker 2: Tell me. I need to know what his miles per hour was.
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Speaker 4: He was cruising at 23 miles an hour. Had to be.
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Speaker 1: Bro, it looked like he was a sprinter out there just comfortably striding out, striking out.
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Speaker 5: They was too high. And it was, it wasn't only, it was the good blocks by London ceiling, but it's the little Hezzy that he takes with his just patience, setting up these blocks and setting up the secondary, because you're thinking you don't know if he's going to go inside.
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Speaker 4: He knows he's going to jump back outside.
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Speaker 2: He knows he's going to jump outside.
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Speaker 4: Stop playing peek-a-boo with that lineman.
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Speaker 2: Stay in your cab.
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Speaker 4: Yes, that's what I'm saying, but that just makes his patient.
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Speaker 5: You can't teach that because then that little burst and then he takes off at.
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Speaker 4: 100 miles an hour. It was special, Deebo.
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Speaker 2: Special. Stop, bro.
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Speaker 3: 7-0.
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Speaker 2: Start off. We only three plays deep. 7-0.
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Speaker 1: New Orleans get out there and Atlanta defense like, nah, we ain't having none of that.
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Speaker 2: Three and out. Get up out of here.
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Speaker 1: We ain't going for it. Atlanta get the ball back. I think first down, Pennix to branch with nine. Dijon picks up three on the next play, gets the first down.
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Speaker 2: And then they defense, you know, they stand up.
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Speaker 6: Yes, this was the first. Atlanta goes for them with that fourth and seven. No, they got to delay a game. They got to delay a game. Ended up having to go ahead and punt it.
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Speaker 5: I seen Pennix was throwing a couple of just little bad passes there.
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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? A little quick incompletes.
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Speaker 2: A little here and there.
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Speaker 4: So, ain't tripping.
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Speaker 2: Ain't tripping. Ain't tripping.
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Speaker 1: New Orleans get the ball back. They go ahead and get a hot little encroaching penalty. So, that move it to, what was it, first and five. Defense, they drop Miller for a two-yard loss. Second down, they end up false starting, popping that thing back to, what, second and 12.
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Speaker 2: And then, What's the dude's name? How do you say the quarterback's last name? Slay? Sly? Slay? Something like that. I don't know. Yeah. Shuck. Shuck. That's it. Shuck. That don't look like shuck.
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Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you this, though. Shuck through a dot. Under pressure.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Under pressure.
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Speaker 1: Nice pass to Johnson. 23-yard completion. Coming across the middle right there. First down. I think they went on head, gave the ball to.
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Speaker 2: Kamara, he went on ahead. I think it was four. And then Slate hit him for another five.
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Speaker 1: Put him to that third and one. Ended up sneaking it for the first down. And then Slate hits Kamara again.
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Speaker 4: Scream.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he picks up a high low. What was it? Five or 17? Yeah, he got 17.
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Speaker 4: He took a 17 on that one.
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Speaker 2: Yes, he took a 17 on that one. Atlanta's defense would be able to hold them.
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Speaker 1: They'd force a field goal, 52-yard field goal that they'd force, and he misses it. Now they got the ball back. Atlanta got the ball back, and I'm like, they about to do the thing, and they don't do it. They go ahead and stand up. New Orleans defense stand up. They get that sack on that third down.
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Speaker 2: Say, uh-uh. We got defense, too.
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Speaker 4: Hold it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Go ahead and punt that thing back over.
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Speaker 2: New Orleans, get the rock. First down, I think it was Miller. He got the ball, took it, and I'm looking at it, dude, and I'm like, are they going to check that? Because it looked like he might have got that ball out before he went down.
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Speaker 4: Oh, you're talking about the ball search?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I'm like, he might have got that out before he went down. It was moving a little bit. That's a great play.
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Speaker 2: But that's when.
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Speaker 4: You're the second man in.
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Speaker 2: You can come for the ball. Right.
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Speaker 4: You can come in and out.
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Speaker 2: Come for the ball.
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Speaker 5: I never had that in me because I'm trying to get the tackle. That's what I'm worried about first because I'm victim weight. I need to get him on the ground first. That's why you don't get stiff. I'm going to get stiff if I do that. So that's why I'm always, I wasn't being able to go ball search because if you try to go up there trying to go punch it.
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Speaker 4: You're exposing yourself. His arms might be able.
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Speaker 5: To get to my forehead and now I'm stiff armed.
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Speaker 4: No, sir.
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Speaker 5: I'm shooting lower. I'm going to wrap your legs up. Hopefully, a second man can come and punch that ball out. I have to get you on the ground. I have to secure the tackle.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. They reviewed it. They gave it to them.
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Speaker 1: They had the New Orleans 22. Atlanta get out there, and first down, it's a holding call. So, I think they end up holding B. Johns like, what was it, maybe three yards on the next few plays, and they end up going for it on the fourth and fourth.
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Speaker 5: Incomplete pass, but And on this one too, my man, Penix had had Bijon wide open in the flat you gotta just you gotta just toss it up there just toss it over the den toss it over Chase that was a good play by Chase getting his hands up but it's you got a whole stadium throw the ball up a little.
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Speaker 2: Bit higher.
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Speaker 1: Throw it up a little bit higher it didn't matter man It didn't matter. They got first and goal at the four. Hand that thing on over to Bijon. He take a four-yard touchdown.
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Speaker 2: 14-0. Yes, sir.
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Speaker 4: 14-0.
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Speaker 1: New Orleans get out there, and they like, yo, we're going to go ahead and see if we can't answer.
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Speaker 4: We got to do something.
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Speaker 2: Olivia? No, Olave.
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Speaker 4: Olave.
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Speaker 6: Olave.
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Speaker 4: Olave. Yes, Olave, bro.
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Speaker 2: I'm thinking the cigar. That's what it was.
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Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 2: Yes. Anyway.
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Speaker 1: He gave 44. And then I think it was, what was it, Lance? He got like seven. They got to the three-yard line right there. And then Kamara, he come in there, he finished that thing off, three-yard touchdown run.
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Speaker 2: It's a game now.
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Speaker 1: Now you're putting up a fight. Now you're putting up a fight. But Atlanta, they said, hey, we got these boys over here. We do things too. They said, hey, let's do it.
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Speaker 2: Ten plays. Six by yard. Touchdown. Okay. Just under six minutes.
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Speaker 4: Yep.
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Speaker 2: Pennix would hit Pitts to start it off.
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Speaker 4: And then after that, five straight runs.
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Speaker 2: Hi, Bijon.
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Speaker 4: Hi, Brian.
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Speaker 2: Both brothers.
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Speaker 4: Let's just go.
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Speaker 1: Robber sentence. Rushing the ball and receiving the ball. Pennix then goes to London for the 27th.
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Speaker 5: Because now, when you run it five times in a row, you can do the play action.
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Speaker 2: Play action. Go eat you up.
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Speaker 4: Seven route. High to low. Good ball. Go eat you up.
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Speaker 2: Brian come in there like, yo, let me get a tutty. Four yards. Touchdown. 21 to seven. It looked like it might be getting out of hand.
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Speaker 1: And it starts getting just a little bit out of hand because New Orleans get out there and Atlanta's defense say no.
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Speaker 5: And that's what makes it good because Atlanta, they're.
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Speaker 4: Scoring some points, but you can make stops.
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Speaker 5: You can get three and outs. Get the ball back to your offense. Not every time, but make a play. Quick three and out. Get them to rock back.
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Speaker 2: Quick three and out. Get them boys to rock back. They say, we're going to go ahead and do what we got to do with it. And it's London. Again, 37 this time. Dijon going ahead for 11 on the nuts. And then he go for eight. Man.
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Speaker 1: He should probably, like, I don't know what's going on. This dude move different, bro. Like, do you see, like, that should have been, like, that age should have been, like, maybe a.
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Speaker 4: Three-yard game, bro. Maybe.
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Speaker 5: Deebo, that's what I'm trying to say, that the vision that he has with the cuts, the acceleration.
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Speaker 4: He's setting people up.
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Speaker 5: And that's like with like Le'Veon Bell was setting people up, but he just doesn't have that burst with this speed to get to top speed.
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Speaker 4: And just take off on people.
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Speaker 5: So the same thing with Le'Veon of being able to set up the blocks, your linemen, you putting them in with a little hesitation.
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Speaker 4: You're getting your linemen.
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Speaker 5: In premier like leverage spots to now all I got to do is take off. And him being able to get from zero to 60 at that speed is something I haven't.
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Speaker 4: I'm like, son, do you see this? Do you see how good this?
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Speaker 2: Oh, I know you called me.
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Speaker 4: You like, hey, are you watching what I'm watching?
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Speaker 2: Because this is this is what? Man, he got that eight should only been three Robinson, other Robinson, Brian Robinson. He come in.
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Speaker 1: He pick up five for the first down and then second down. Penix hits pits for 10 and a first down. New Orleans would find a way to hold them. They end up making them settle for a field goal 24-7. That's the other appendix on that.
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Speaker 5: On the out route right there, third and seven, if you can throw that just where he can maybe turn up the field.
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Speaker 4: You just a little bit, little.
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Speaker 5: He only had five incompletions, but like the tip one by Chase, the little three, the out route right there on third and seven, it's just little things, but you're not turning the ball over.
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Speaker 2: I can live with that. Now we can hit a field goal. You know what I'm saying? We up again.
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Speaker 4: We up 24.
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Speaker 2: We up 24-7.
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Speaker 4: Yep.
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Speaker 1: New Orleans get out there, man. They start moving the ball a little bit. They pick up a couple first downs.
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Speaker 2: They get into full field goal range. And then on the first down, dude ends up getting sacked out of field goal range.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Now the defense stands up. They hold them down and they force them to have to punt the right.
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Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. Then, but don't break Atlanta's defense.
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Speaker 5: Still, they got the drives going sack, knock them out of field goal range.
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Speaker 4: No points. You pumped. Going in the halftime.
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Speaker 2: Up 24-7.
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Speaker 1: New Orleans starts the third quarter. They were put together, though. 13 plays, Joe. Almost seven and a half minutes.
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Speaker 5: And this is where Shutt was making plays.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they would only get a field goal, Joe. You can't waste that much time, man, and only come.
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Speaker 2: Out with three.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right.
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Speaker 2: Like, you got to get seven on that one. And then that little reverse, that little handoff they did to, who was that? Oh, man. He fired on. They fired on too sweet, man.
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Speaker 4: They sure did.
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Speaker 2: I didn't know if he was going to get up.
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Speaker 1: You know, that's one of them ones where, you know, if you ain't got them knee pads in right, you go feel that little twang.
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Speaker 2: That little twang. They go on here, they holler at it. Get a hot little... Hot little three on there. So now it's 24 to 10. Atlanta come out there and they answer big.
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Speaker 4: They say, yeah. Nine plays, Joe. 74 yards.
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Speaker 2: Almost five and a half minutes to score a touchdown. The second down.
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Speaker 4: On that one, they was getting however they wanted. Pitt. Oh, yeah. Rijon.
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Speaker 2: Ryan.
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Speaker 1: He got 23 right there. Robinson went nine. And then I think it was 10. And then they ended up dropping him for a hot little two. But on third and 10, Pennis went right back to London for 14.
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Speaker 4: First down.
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Speaker 2: Two plays later, here come Brian. Give me the rock. Let me go in for eight. 31 to 10, getting.
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Speaker 4: Out of hand, Joe.
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Speaker 2: 31 to 10 is getting out of pocket. 31 to 10, getting out of pocket. But you know what New Orleans did, brother? They put together word. They said, yo, we're going to finish it this time. 13 plays, brother. 68 yards. Fave, I love P.I. It was a couple of minutes in there, too. It was a couple of minutes in there, too.
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Speaker 4: I said it. I said it.
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Speaker 2: There were a couple of minutes in there, okay? They did this in just over four minutes, okay?
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Speaker 1: But they did it in the process of two fourth down conversions, which is hard to do, you know?
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Speaker 2: But... They score. It's 31-17. But you only got like, what is it, 12, 13 minutes left in the whole game? And then y'all let Atlanta come out there in a cool five plays, Joe.
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Speaker 1: Five plays, Joe. Let the man score a touchdown. Jump that thing 38-17. Piddocks to Pitts for 23. Then it's Bijon, Bijon, Bijon.
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Speaker 2: 3-5-5 first down. And Penix finishes it off to Dotson for a 31-yard touchdown.
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Speaker 5: Because, look, they're getting it how they want it, Deebo. They're running it. They're passing it. You don't know which way is up. You don't know which way is down. Because Dee going to hand it off to them. And by this time, play action, deep shot, bang, bang. You're looking crazy.
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Speaker 4: Five plays.
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Speaker 2: Five plays. Y'all had a chance. You were in it.
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Speaker 4: You were trying to stand.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 4: You don't know which way is up and down.
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Speaker 2: New Orleans get back out there. It's basically over.
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Speaker 1: They go ahead and they turn it over on downs and get sacked on the fourth down.
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Speaker 4: Look, self-inflicted wounds. It's fourth and one, and you false start to make it fourth and six.
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Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 4: Sacked.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Atlanta get the rock back, man.
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Speaker 1: Like, they right there. They ain't got far to go. I don't even know what they was trying. Because they had, B. John wasn't in there, man. It was just three plays. Brian, he was like, yo, just give me the rock.
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Speaker 2: Don't hit. We trying to run the clock. Run the clock out. Three, seven, 11 yards.
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Speaker 5: The 11-yard touchdown was so disrespectful. He ran through the whole mob, Depot. It was three legitimate, like a full-blown wrap-up.
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Speaker 4: Fall off me. Boom. Get off me. Another one.
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Speaker 2: Off the phone, Joe.
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Speaker 4: I said, oh, man, they gave up. 44-17.
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Speaker 2: 45-17.
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Speaker 4: The game was over.
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Speaker 2: 45-17, man. Game was basically over.
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Speaker 4: That was a great catch to try to get some points.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, try to get some points and end up the game with 45-24. Atlanta, bro, they different, bro. They looking way different with Pennix in there, man. Like, it's a total different team. 15 to 20, was it 223, one touchdown. Like, how much better, dude, is Atlanta with....
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Speaker 4: With panic Senate quarterback. It's night and day.
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Speaker 5: And the thing is with their team, it, this is why I love when I'm watching football teams that are just, it makes sense. When you have a great running game, when you can do play action, when you can just hand the ball off to your backfield and run the ball to 33 times for 207 yards and five touchdowns.
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Speaker 4: I don't care. I could be the quarterback for this team. Not in a crazy way.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's not go that far.
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Speaker 4: No, no, no. I couldn't.
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Speaker 2: I couldn't. I couldn't.
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Speaker 4: I couldn't. I couldn't be the quarterback for this team.
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Speaker 5: But I'm saying, a manageable, professional quarterback that can just run these play actions. Pennix, I'm not going to. All right, let me not take it from Debo. All right, let me not go that far. But what I'm saying is, if you're a comparable quarterback, they're not asking Pennix to do anything.
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Speaker 2: You're saying Rush wasn't comparable.
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Speaker 4: What do you mean?
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 4: No, no. He was throwing the ball.
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Speaker 2: Oh, just asking the question. Boy, don't shoot the message.
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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no.
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Speaker 5: And Penix, at the same time, they're not asking of him to do too much.
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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
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Speaker 5: Like when he's running these play actions, the thing that's happening, if you can't run the ball the way the Atlanta Falcons can run the ball, it won't open up the pass game. When they were playing rush, he was missing wide open guys. When you can get the ball to Drake London on these single coverage, get the, like, because there's not, they're in the position where you're having single high to now when you can pass the ball to him. Because everybody, you're playing two-eye safeties. You see Bijan, you're handing off his patience. Ryan Robinson, his patience. When I'm looking at it too, I'm like, damn, he only got to carry the ball 19. When I'm looking at a couple of drives, Bijan's not in there. He's getting his rest. They're using them so well with, Bijan, if he was just a single, if he was the only back out there, his numbers would be even crazier. He's still legitimately splitting time, giving this other man. And I love it for the Falcons because he's taking the wear and tear off his body. So for them, you got to be able to run the rock the way that they're running, which sets up the play action pass.
00:21:53
Speaker 4: And you're making.
00:21:54
Speaker 5: Your quarterback a couple of times on that third and seven where he like didn't, Penix threw a pass on that when they missed. And then just a couple of plays, like in the tip pass to Bijon when Chase Young came and tipped it, he was wide open right there.
00:22:08
Speaker 2: 15 for 20.
00:22:10
Speaker 5: If you hit those two, it's even a better performance and you didn't have to do too much. So with the Atlanta Falcons, the way that the play calling is going, the way that the running backs are running the ball when you can just turn and hand it to them and you get five, at least a tote, two of them things, it's a first down.
00:22:26
Speaker 4: It starts the drives.
00:22:27
Speaker 5: It just makes it so much easier for a quarterback, for an offense to get.
00:22:31
Speaker 4: A flow going.
00:22:32
Speaker 5: And in the defense, you don't know what's up or down. You like, all right, we're behind. It's second and five. They can run it for a first down. They can play action it over our heads. We don't know what's going on. So you're never really at a point where you can attack them. They attacking you. They got you looking crazy. Hand off, hand off, maybe not hand off. They started off first and 10. Play action, 28-yard joint, because y'all expecting them to come out, run it on first down, you know what I'm saying, get established. No, right now, they got y'all running. not knowing what's going on. Yeah, they ain't knowing which way is up, Joe.
00:23:07
Speaker 4: Literally.
00:23:08
Speaker 2: I'll say this.
00:23:11
Speaker 1: While Penix does make them far better, the combination of the two with B.
00:23:20
Speaker 2: John and Penix is just... You mean B.
00:23:25
Speaker 4: John and Brian?
00:23:25
Speaker 2: Sorry. Sorry. No, no, no, no. Penix and Bijan.
00:23:31
Speaker 4: Okay, Penix and Bijan.
00:23:32
Speaker 2: Penix and Bijan. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:23:34
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Penix. Now, Robinson, yes, he does add to it. That's no question about it. But again, if I didn't have him there, I could still get more of that workload to Bijan. So, you know, for me, it is the combination of the two. It's like the car. What's the car that you need two keys for to start it? And you start one engine, another engine.
00:23:51
Speaker 4: It's one of those cars. I don't know.
00:23:53
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. Anyway. Okay. It's like you need two keys for the thing. It's like it's one of those supercars or something crazy, whatever.
00:24:00
Speaker 1: That's what you got right here, man. You got, like they say, numbers. The numbers, when you look at the numbers, the numbers ain't going to lie to you, Joe. Like these boys go from eight points a game in the first two games. All this is first two games to the second two games, averages. You got eight points to now it's 40 points a game. You got 262 yards to now it's 459. Like, you got seven turnovers in the first two games to now one. A negative 38-point differential to a plus 42.
00:24:38
Speaker 2: Like, this is two stars, bro. Like, just the two stars.
00:24:41
Speaker 1: Man, at 73% pass completion.
00:24:45
Speaker 2: Like, almost 479 passing yards in those two games. 113 passer ratings. Like, look, even Bijan, he played, we played him.
00:25:00
Speaker 1: He went, the first two games, he had 83 yards and then he had 72 yards. The last two games, 194 and 145.
00:25:09
Speaker 2: Like, crazy work. Like, you're talking about a running game that just did, what is it, 205 yards on 35 carries? That's almost six yards in carries, yo.
00:25:22
Speaker 1: Penix killed him and That was only 20 passes.
00:25:26
Speaker 2: 15 to 20, dude. 223 yards.
00:25:29
Speaker 1: London got five for 96. Like, they were four or five in the red zone. Like, it wasn't.
00:25:36
Speaker 2: Anything that they could have... Well, they could have did better.
00:25:41
Speaker 4: That's the crazy thing.
00:25:42
Speaker 2: They still missed a few. You know what I'm saying? I don't... The combination of the two is unbelievable. I don't really... If they can stay healthy, I see this being an issue for a.
00:25:58
Speaker 4: Whole lot of teams, Joseph.
00:26:01
Speaker 5: It's like you said, if you can run the ball for 207 yards, 33 times and score five touchdowns, you're going to be a problem for anybody. That's going to be a tough situation to be in. And when you have Michael Penix, you saying it the right way, he's not hurting your team. He's making the right plays.
00:26:20
Speaker 4: He's not. And there's a couple little plays he could do.
00:26:22
Speaker 5: But 15, like you said, with his stat line, that's going to win the game. You're not turning the ball over. You're not harming your team. The incomplete passes that you have don't. don't go into turnovers. So it's not taking points off the board. Y'all are still the one to be John. They still got an end zone. They still score seven points on that same drive. So it's like, and then the, the, the, the one where he turned when he threw the bad pass for the third and seven, they still got a field goal.
00:26:46
Speaker 4: So you're not harming your team. So this thing is still going.
00:26:50
Speaker 5: If he can make those passes to London, if these dudes can stay healthy with this running game, it's going to be a problem. And then the defense, like you said, the defense, um, Bend but don't break on a lot of stuff. And then if you can make a couple three and outs, get a couple of three and outs, get the ball back to your offense to when they can do 10 play drives for seven minutes. And the third quarter, it was only two possessions. You know what I'm saying? There's not a lot of time for them to be able to get out there. Your offense, you get them the ball. They hold it for the whole drive. You get it back to them quick. They hold it another 10 minutes. You keep the offense off the field.
00:27:28
Speaker 2: Joe. Yo, I'm looking at this. That 59-yard run, my dude was at a 21.85 mile per hour.
00:27:36
Speaker 4: He was cruising. He was cruising.
00:27:40
Speaker 2: Yo. That's on his own feet.
00:27:45
Speaker 1: That ain't on the machine and just lift him and put him down. You know what I'm saying? I might be able to lift him and put him down at 20 on the machine, Joe.
00:27:55
Speaker 4: He in that thing full pads.
00:27:58
Speaker 2: Full pads. Zink, zink, zink. Gravity, gravity to the ground. Pressing it himself.
00:28:03
Speaker 4: Getting messy.
00:28:04
Speaker 2: Full body weight.
00:28:05
Speaker 4: Getting messy.
00:28:05
Speaker 2: Full body weight, Joe. Let's go on over here, man.
00:28:09
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy had his press conference on Monday.
00:28:14
Speaker 2: And he talked about a few things. One of those.
00:28:16
Speaker 1: Things is us, we need to clean house. He had this to say. Run that for me, please.
00:28:26
Speaker 7: You have to play your best football each and every week to win in this league. You definitely play better than your opponent. So that's really part of why we're going about tomorrow the way we're going about it, because we need to clean our own house. Our house is not clean right now.
00:28:41
Speaker 2: And I get it. It's week five.
00:28:44
Speaker 7: So you're hard-pressed to find a team or two that feels really good about where they are right now. And that's the norm. So we're going to stay after the you know, the focus of what we need to work on. So that's, that's what this weekend was about for, you know, for me. And, and we've been working on as the coaching staff and then we'll have, you know, we'll have clear factors and of what we need to do as far as cleaning our house.
00:29:11
Speaker 2: And then we'll get ready to go beat Indianapolis. I mean, that's the plan. Yes, sir. Yeah. What do you take from that statement?
00:29:22
Speaker 5: I take this is exactly what you need to go do after the first quarter of the season.
00:29:27
Speaker 4: Self-evaluation.
00:29:28
Speaker 5: And when me and you are talking about you're not doing the basic things correctly, you got to get back to those. Like, there's nothing that the other team is going to do in the stadium to hurt you if you're sitting there.
00:29:40
Speaker 4: Hurting yourself and.
00:29:41
Speaker 5: Not being in your gap, not being able to play cover two when you're playing cover two, not being able to communicate and know exactly what your alignment, your assignment and your technique is. You're going to go out there right now. You're Steelers hurting Steelers. So right now when you're saying clean house, we're talking about self-evaluating, getting back to the basis of what am I not communicating with you guys?
00:30:01
Speaker 4: What are you guys not understanding?
00:30:03
Speaker 5: So right now it's a whole inside thing going on with the coaches and the players.
00:30:08
Speaker 4: We got to figure this thing out together because what.
00:30:10
Speaker 5: Do we do good? What do we not do good? What do we communicate well? What do we not communicate well? It's time for us to fix this. The only people in here is us. So let's get that stuff together from the beginning because we can't just be going out there.
00:30:23
Speaker 4: Number three, basic things.
00:30:25
Speaker 5: We're not going to be able to get better if we can't get the alignments right. our assignments, and know our techniques. So I hear it's week four, that is first week of the season. You're like, oh yeah, it's self-evaluation.
00:30:37
Speaker 4: A lot of teams aren't, teams aren't where you want to be right now.
00:30:39
Speaker 5: Like some teams are in different positions than others, but you're always trying to peak towards the end of the season. You don't want to start off hot right now when you.
00:30:47
Speaker 4: Just are terrible.
00:30:48
Speaker 2: No, no, no.
00:30:49
Speaker 4: We're two and two.
00:30:50
Speaker 5: The first two games, I mean, the first four games, let's evaluate this, see what we're doing right, what we're doing wrong. Why do we keep stepping up and biting the cheese on the defense. Why do we not know.
00:31:00
Speaker 4: What we're communicating?
00:31:01
Speaker 5: What is it that we're not doing right as a team? What am I not communicating you right to as a coach? What are you guys not understanding as a defensive scheme? So I think when he's saying this, I completely understand because you can't go out there and not know what the hell you're doing for yourself. You're beating yourself. Don't... Don't make the other team beat you. Make it be they made a play on us. We were on the person and they just made a play. So we can live with that stuff. So when he said self-evaluating, we're self-evaluating offense. Where's your block? Do you know what you're doing? Like, you gotta know what the hell you're doing. inside and out before we even start talking about the X's and O's of what the other team's doing we got to know our stuff so I think with him saying this I'm like thank you coach because me and Debo can't sit out here and see people just letting the same thing happen over and over and over again and we know it so we like this we we can't we don't have nothing to say Debo's gonna crash out because he feels like this basic things that you're doing wrong it's not a skill thing right it's a It's a thing where it's like, dude, are you listening?
00:32:06
Speaker 4: What are they coaching you? Why don't you understand where to be?
00:32:10
Speaker 2: So that's where it's like, okay, coach, self-evaluate yourself.
00:32:13
Speaker 5: Y'all are getting it. We understand. That's why me and Deebo will sit here and not trying to bash. Cause it's like, I can't get to why y'all guys are losing when you don't understand what the hell you're doing.
00:32:23
Speaker 2: You need to help me help you.
00:32:24
Speaker 5: You to that situation when you to that point.
00:32:27
Speaker 4: So that's, I think that's what coach is saying.
00:32:29
Speaker 2: Help me help you.
00:32:31
Speaker 1: He actually talked about getting back to the bases. He had this to say. Run that for me real quick.
00:32:36
Speaker 2: Thank you.
00:32:37
Speaker 7: Mike, as you go through self-scouting this week, what were some of the things you attribute to the missed tackles, especially in.
00:32:43
Speaker 2: That Cleveland game?
00:32:44
Speaker 7: I think just like a lot of things when it comes to the fundamentals of football, it starts with the footwork. I think it's why you have to train that. It has to be part of your daily fundamental coaching menu, which we do.
00:32:57
Speaker 2: We start every.
00:33:00
Speaker 7: You know, every beginning of that segment of practice with team fundamentals and tackling is involved in that, you know, different types of drills that we have.
00:33:09
Speaker 2: So and that's really what it is, too.
00:33:12
Speaker 7: And, you know, the pursuit and cover, you know, pursuit, the defense, defense and coverage units and the cover from the offensive group and the return group. We need to be better there, you know, so on a pursuit, cover and finish. And I'd say the footwork.
00:33:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to go back to the whole clean house. The clean house statement for me, you know, it's more of just like you said, we got to worry about the things in the house. Like we have to worry about stillers and the stillers, you know, making the stillers look like the stillers should look.
00:33:52
Speaker 2: We're going to self-scout.
00:33:53
Speaker 1: We're going to see, you know, what's going on, take a deeper dive. It's the first quarter of the season. We got a nice little piece of stuff, of plays to look at, film to look at, so that we can go out there and evaluate ourselves and see, like, yo, we're diving into what we're.
00:34:16
Speaker 2: Doing that the other team has nothing to do with.
00:34:19
Speaker 1: It's not like they're going out there and just dog walking you, dominating you.
00:34:24
Speaker 4: Listen.
00:34:24
Speaker 1: Tackling is an issue. Like he said, it's not acceptable. The fundamental things we got to do right. Footwork, alignment, assignment, execution, other defense. Like we're making errors. We got mental errors. We got lack of communication and detail. You know, we're sitting at 500 right now.
00:34:43
Speaker 2: And the stuff that I'm seeing that's beating us is self-inflicted wounds.
00:34:49
Speaker 1: Nothing to do with the other team. We're just beating ourselves. Like, we can't even do the regular fundamental things like, hey, make a tackle.
00:34:59
Speaker 2: That's something you got to do.
00:35:00
Speaker 1: Like, so what we got to do is figure out, like, yo, is it the players that we need to switch? Are you not understanding what we're telling you to get done? Is it the defense call?
00:35:13
Speaker 2: Is that something that may need to change on what it is that we're playing against other teams? Like, we got to figure out whatever it is that we need to fix. If it's play calling, if it's players.
00:35:25
Speaker 1: Obviously, it's a big breakdown in communication because we've seen that when you got two safeties sitting on the same half. Like, come on. Like, we know it's an issue. And basics, we got to do the basics things basics. He talked about the offense, too. He said, you know, addressing our third down issues. He had this to say.
00:35:46
Speaker 2: If you would have told me.
00:35:49
Speaker 7: That our production of third and seven plus is what it is, and then we'd have 34, whatever the number is, of third and two to six. We have lead-to-league type opportunities in third and two to six. We're not making the easier ones in third down. Third down is our number one focus on offense. So man-to-man is part of that. Don't get me wrong, but our third downs need to be better. That's where we're not getting it done.
00:36:18
Speaker 2: Yes, sir. We're not getting it done in a lot of areas.
00:36:21
Speaker 1: He also addressed, I guess, the little altercations that we had, you know, on the sidelines on the field with a couple of players.
00:36:30
Speaker 2: Listen to this. Obviously, there was that exchange that was on camera between you and Aaron. Is that a normal level of tense between how you two communicate or was that above and beyond a way, a productive method of communication?
00:36:44
Speaker 7: I wouldn't say it was normal, but I think the reality of it is, you know, it's the It's a 20-year relationship. I think the fact that we were able to sit and talk numerous times over the weekend about that and a number of things.
00:36:59
Speaker 2: But, yeah, I specifically, as I've stated, I'm.
00:37:07
Speaker 7: Hopefully not to put any pressure on my daughter. I'm getting the grandfather age. I don't want to be saying those type of words. But it's an emotional thing. emotional competitive environment. I think it's something that we can definitely learn from.
00:37:23
Speaker 2: Mike, between that interaction and the interaction between TJ and the coaches upstairs, where do you.
00:37:30
Speaker 7: Draw the line between competitive fire and insubordination? I think you've got to also remember things don't always look the way they really are. The facts sometimes aren't always present with people think the situation is too. And I think some of those instances were that. But we've asked these players to trust us. We've asked them to do a lot of things that are different in what they've done. So with that, you're going to have communication opportunities that may not be exactly the way you prefer them to be.
00:38:08
Speaker 2: But I think today we're better from it. Joe, do you think any of our players are overstepping or being insubordinate, Joe? No, I do not at all.
00:38:24
Speaker 5: I think if they weren't doing this, I would care a lot more. I think that at the end of the day, they're professionals. TJ, he knows what's up to standard and what's not up to standard.
00:38:36
Speaker 4: He cares. He actually cares. I'm just worried.
00:38:39
Speaker 5: When he's doing this, it's just, is this talk productive? Like, coach, what do we got.
00:38:45
Speaker 4: Going on out here?
00:38:45
Speaker 5: I think it's always, we're trying to figure out a way to make the team better and.
00:38:50
Speaker 4: Figure out, he's frustrated, obviously.
00:38:53
Speaker 5: So I don't, I'm not going to, step into it too much because I think if TJ Wild was just sitting there on the sideline, quiet, letting us get whooped and didn't care, I think I would have a completely different feeling because I know he cares. He wants us to be not messing up he's the leader of the defense so i don't think when he's over there just yelling and screaming it's a different thing of yelling and screaming effing everybody but are we doing this and trying to execute something and come up with a plan figure out what we are doing wrong you know what i'm saying so it's just it's going to look crazy because he cares he's passionate we're in the game getting ran on we're getting we're giving up explosive plays what are we doing this is not how we practice so if you have a great player that actually he cares and he's out there still it's not changing his performance he's still strip sacking he's trying to get the job done he's so when you have a players like that you have A-Rod and Coach McCarthy Get the play in. If he's screaming about things that are really just trying to get the team better and execution better, I'm all for it, A-Rod, because you don't want to be sitting out there. If you're not getting the call in, get the call in.
00:39:58
Speaker 4: What the fuck are we doing? He cares.
00:40:01
Speaker 5: He wants to get it in. He wants to have time to make checks and get to the line. So if that's the problem- He's talking to his coach, trying.
00:40:07
Speaker 4: To get it fixed.
00:40:09
Speaker 5: So I just like, they care. So Coach McCarthy's like, okay, boom, we're understanding. Sometimes you guys don't know. It looks can be deceiving. We're trying to get things going. We're trying to figure it out.
00:40:19
Speaker 4: It's not like the, man, no.
00:40:21
Speaker 5: We're passionately talking about how we can fix a problem. that is happening on this field that we're playing and we're.
00:40:28
Speaker 4: All in front of each other. Who cares what the optics look like? We're trying to figure something out.
00:40:32
Speaker 5: It might look like we're about to fight, but we're not at all. We're just trying to figure something out. Two passionate people trying to get this thing working.
00:40:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
00:40:42
Speaker 1: We can't worry about the optics, the delivery, all that other stuff. The reason TJ is going off is because he's in a position right now and he's like, yo, what are we doing? Especially when you're out there and you're in something that you know is dope.
00:40:58
Speaker 4: We shouldn't be in this right now. We shouldn't be going through this.
00:41:01
Speaker 2: They're about to do what I think they're about to do.
00:41:03
Speaker 1: We shouldn't be in this.
00:41:06
Speaker 2: This is not the call for it. So, you know, I don't think it's too far. I mean, when you look at the level of what.
00:41:14
Speaker 1: It is that you need, especially whatever that situation may be or the circumstances, like, I don't draw a line where a player's response or reaction can be too much or insubordinate unless you're in a position where everything is going great and you're just not getting what it is that you want. Like, we're dominating. We're playing well. Everything's going good. And now I see you, you know, up there flabbergasting, popping off, doing whatever you're doing. Then, yeah, that's something totally different. Things are going as planned.
00:41:47
Speaker 2: I get it. I care. Like, yo, what's going on?
00:41:51
Speaker 1: Like, and we're not in positions to do the certain things that we're supposed to do. We got players that's not even where they're supposed to be. What is going on?
00:42:00
Speaker 2: I've never, you know, I can't say I've ever went off on like a, well, yeah, I have. I'll take it back.
00:42:07
Speaker 1: I've went off on a couple, but it was probably in practice. I've never went off like a, like, in the game. But also, I also had, like, you know, Dick LeBeau as a D coordinator. So, you know, his understanding and knowledge of the defense and the things that he was going to put us in, he already knew what it was. Like, Coach LeBeau was like, hey, you know, pull us to the side. Like, hey, they do this again, we're about to do this. Now, they can hurt us right here. So, just be aware.
00:42:33
Speaker 2: Like, he already putting that in your head on the sideline. Like, making sure that you know.
00:42:37
Speaker 1: Like, I told you, this man sit there without a you know what i what what i call she and matter of fact i think the only time i ever it wasn't even in the hit i don't even know it wasn't even close to the bow that like like we were upset it was a game that we were playing in and like dude we like hey a certain player we're like yo he's not in the game bro like he's not here like he ain't here you're not listening to him like pull him out Man, my guy done got struck up on, like, two, three times, bro.
00:43:10
Speaker 2: I'm talking, you know, 30, 40, 30 long balls. Bro, we coming off the field, and look, Kiesel, and we're talking to somebody, like, yo, get him out of here, out of the game, now. Like, what are we doing?
00:43:27
Speaker 4: Like, bro, are we trying to lose?
00:43:29
Speaker 2: Like, dude, I was....
00:43:32
Speaker 1: And again, like, Because you care. He's hurting the team. Like, we're talking to him. I'm not even talking to him. There's somebody else that's talking to him. And they're like, yo, what's going on? What happened on that play? You know, I give you a reasonable excuse.
00:43:45
Speaker 4: Okay, cool.
00:43:46
Speaker 1: What happened on this one? And I'm talking to Ike. I'm like, Ike, bro, what did he say? And the first one, I give me the excuse. I'm like, all right, cool. And the second one, I'm like, yo, what did he say?
00:43:59
Speaker 2: And I go.
00:44:03
Speaker 2: I said, bro, what'd he say? And he told me what he said. I'm like, oh, he gone. He said, yeah.
00:44:09
Speaker 1: It wasn't until he got hit again that they actually went on here and got him up out of there.
00:44:15
Speaker 5: Did he say anything? He told you what he said. You ain't going to say what he said.
00:44:17
Speaker 2: No, he was gone. Okay.
00:44:20
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was spooked. I'm telling you, sometimes you... He was spooked, yes. You saw it in his eyes. He wasn't there.
00:44:26
Speaker 2: It wasn't even... It was the response. It was the response.
00:44:30
Speaker 1: You know how you, hey, man, hey, what happened right here?
00:44:33
Speaker 2: Oh, man, I just got, you know, boo, boo, boo, boo. What happened right here?
00:44:36
Speaker 4: I don't know.
00:44:37
Speaker 2: Huh? You can't. What?
00:44:39
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. Hold up. Oh, yeah. Get him up.
00:44:44
Speaker 1: He can't do nothing else for us for the rest of this game.
00:44:47
Speaker 2: We got to get him up.
00:44:48
Speaker 4: You're hurting us.
00:44:50
Speaker 2: Yes. Yes, bro. Like hurting us. And speaking of hurting us, this right here is really going to hurt us.
