Skinwalker Ranch Physicist Reveals the Truth - Dr. Jim Segala on Interdimensional, UFOs & High Strangeness Ep. 36

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And when you first went through Skinwalker, when you passed
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the gate, what did you experience.
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Well, that's the funny thing about that place. So one
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of the things that happened. So I was sent out
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there by how doctor Putov, who is you know, he
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led the Institute for Advanced Study in Austin. He put
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me on a team with a doctor, a forensic neurologist
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who he and I partnered together, and they said, go
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out and figure out what the hell's going on in
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that area because so many people getting hurt the Bigelow era,
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there was a lot of people that got hurt, a
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lot of people were leaving it and having all of
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these problems. So he sent us out there. So when
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you when you get indoctrinated into that and you're told
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about it and the lore and everything like that, you know,
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you brace just before you go in. But the funny
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thing is that I didn't really feel anxious when I
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went in. As soon as you crossed the game, for
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some ungodly reason, you start feeling apprehensive and I'm not,
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you know, I mean, I'm a person that really had
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never really had any kind of experiences. But every single
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time you go past that that gate you know, to
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enter the property, you feel a little like step back.
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It's like there's something, you know, do you feel like
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there's somebody looking at you, or there's there's something monitoring
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you or there you're looking around. You're always constantly looking
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up at the Mesa. No matter what you're doing, you're
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always looking around. It's almost like your your internal brain
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is saying, look out because there's something weird going on here.
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Wow.
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That's the only time that I've you know, the only
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place that I've had that feeling. And everybody that walks
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on there has the same basic feeling. Ironically or actually
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you know, to back that up, most of the people
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religious people that walk on to the place stop, say
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a prayer first, then walk on. And these are people
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that you know, devout, you know, religious people, right, So
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it says something about the property and the air. It's
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not just that particular property. There's other pockets up area
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that you get that same particular feeling.
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They said the truth was very deep and Fowls they
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tried to burn David's on the mic. Now with the
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people's turns from shadow men in black to creatures in
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the midst he's cracking open secrets that the government dismissed.
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Spooky lights above us.
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He's tracking every blink, aliens, cripsons. Yeah, he's making you
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think with a journal full of clues and a wild
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eyed hunch. He's talking ghost towns, lost time, bigfoot, slut, bold.
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David don't know, but he's looking for the code on
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a long dark road where the weird ones go might
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stay hot.
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When the story's unfold, digging through the static for the
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true sun toe from pyramids on Mars to sounds in
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the nave.
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He's chasing after whiskers.
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Just be the light smoil has not it's the crown
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for the polls.
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Tales don't glow. Welcome back to David don't Know. I'm
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your host, and today I have a I'm really excited
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about this because, uh, you know, I I know this gentleman.
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I've been following this gentleman. I've watched him on certain
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shows and it's really exciting, Uh, to finally meet someone
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that you've seen, you know, it's really it's quite jarring.
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But what I'm really interested in is the fact that
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this man was a mechanical engineer, right, and he's going
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about his life. Everything's great, gets married, has kids, and
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then when his kids graduated, decided he was going to
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go back and get his degree in physics, which is
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like what, you know, he just who does that? Who
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who comes up with the idea? Said, you know what,
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I'm going to be a scientist. Now I'm gonna get
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my my PhD in science, all right, in physics. I'm
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really excited to bring him on. Please welcome doctor Jim Sigala.
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Thank guys, Harvard buddy, Thank you, Sir David, thanks for
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having me own.
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Oh my god, I am so excited, sir. Uh, I
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understand Barbara. I've I've had a chance to talk to
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Barbara several times over the past couple of months. She
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is so delightful, man.
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You picture of all sorts of things for me.
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She's so cool and I believe like a basically a
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scholar at home right right, because she like does a
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lot of stuff with teacher as well.
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She's teaching horses, so she does a lot of she's
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juggling a lot of balls.
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Absolutely, man, Absolutely so, Jim, and she had she said
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to call you Jim. She said, absolutely, Okay, yeah, Uh,
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can you tell me a little bit about your early life,
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like how did you get started like, what did you
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where'd you where'd you grow up? That kind of stuff.
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Grew up in Connecticut, spent all my life in Connecticut. Uh,
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met my wife who was a Jersey girl, and moved
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to Jersey for a little while. And the jokes are true.
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Jersey is a is an interesting place. I left New Jersey,
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went back to Rhode Island, or to Rhode Island to
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uh to get my degree, to get my advanced degrees
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and engineering and then eventually into physics. And you know,
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basically we stayed there. We love it there, and my
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kids grew up there, and one of my sons is
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still there, going off in Massachusetts, but we're we're in
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the East Coast and were we love it there.
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That's great.
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Man.
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And your parents like, uh, what did your parents do?
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Engineer? My father's an engineer. My my mother was a pharmacist.
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So we were a lot of people were in the
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engineering fields. Uncles were in the engineering field. That's what
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you enticed me to become an engineer. And then just
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eventually I looked at it and says, you know, the
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engineering is great, but to really get into the cool stuff,
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you have to go into a science that just doesn't
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have answers, which is physics, and so I said, I'm
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going to get a degree in physics. So I spent
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ten years learning how to be a physicist. Got super lucky.
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I was hooked up with a actually after I finished
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my postdoc. What you do to get your PAGDA, it's
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like a it's like an initiation that you get you
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go into. I was. I landed a internship at with
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hal Putov, which is a renowned scientist and the paranormal
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and I mean he's all over the place. He's one
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of the most famous scientists there are in this field.
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And I'm just so lucky. I got a basically a
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one year grant with him to work for him and
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do some some analysis of all the bigger level stuff
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that came back from Skinnwalk a ranch. And then that
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just kept going and going and going, and eleven year years,
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twelve years later, I was still working there.
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Wow, man, that Skinwalker ranch. You know, first, before we
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even start on that, did you have like, I mean,
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you didn't have a choice. You were going to be
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an engineer. I don't think I had a choice, man.
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That was preordained for you. That was gonna happen, right,
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But at that time, before you became a mechanical engineer,
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what were your thoughts on the paranormal Where was your mind?
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It was like it was I've seen the X Files,
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I've seen the movies. I saw that stuff. Really cool,
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this is great. Never in my life that I dreamed
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that I would be one of those people saying I
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wonder what's going on here and actually being given the
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opportunity to do something about it. So it was like
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it's like I was dropped in the middle of this
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thing and it was like, Okay, I'm here, I'm gonna
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do this.
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That is awesome. Yeah, you know, for me, I loved it.
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I watched all that stuff and I felt it was
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you know, I just didn't believe in ghosts. I didn't
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believe in psychics. I didn't believe I didn't even think
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there are witches. To be quite honest, I thought it
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was just a Halloween thing. But you know, I started
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doing this paranormal thing about four years ago. Gosh, we're
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coming out in four years because I had an experience
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and it I couldn't explain it. I was like, what,
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you know, I had something physically grabbed my arm, and
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woke me up and I couldn't see anything, but I
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could still feel the movements, and I I tried to, like,
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you know, debunk it. I tried to answer because I
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love science. I lean scientific on everything, you know pretty much,
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but I couldn't explain this, and I it it opened
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me up to a lot more things. I'm more open
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to this stuff and I want to learn, like what,
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what is it? Why is it? Why are we experienced this?
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And you know, something like Ronnie LeBlanc his book Interdimensional.
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I like his theories because it actually opens up so
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many different things, like if you're talking about uh, if
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you're talking about ghosts, for example, I could see it
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being a dimensional thing. If you're talking about Bigfoot, how
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can we haven't found Bigfoot? Is he going through dimensions?
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I mean, I don't know how about aliens? There's been
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a lot of talk on that. So yeah, I and
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now you're a scientist. You know you weren't and now
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you are, and now you're actually looking into this stuff.
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I think it's fascinating. So skin walkers, yep, what is
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a skin walker exactly? I mean, what do you did
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you believe in this kind of skinwalker theory? Or anything
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like that.
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Well, it's not so much a theory. I think what
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happened is that back in the day, you know, maybe
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two hundred years ago, the Native Americas that lived in
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the area and some of the Aztecs that moved to
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the area started experiencing what exactly what we're experiencing today.
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Something strange is going on. We're starting to see things,
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starting to hear things, starting to feel things like you said,
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you got touched. All this stuff was happening to them.
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And then because there was no Internet, there was no
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social media, there was no people like you know, hovering
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over your shoulder giving you answers. They look to assigning
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that to something that they can wrap their heads around.
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So they signed it to entities and things like that.
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It became part of their nature and part of their upbringing. Like, oh,
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there's just you know, we gave it names. As soon
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as you give something a name, it's not so scary anymore, right, right,
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So they would give it a name, and they would say, okay, well,
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let's worship this name, and it would hand down from
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grandmother down to grant, you know, the grandchild, the things
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like that. So it just came through the years in
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which you find out is that and you read some
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of the documents and the explanations, and you say, wait
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a minute, these people three four hundred years ago, we're
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experiencing the exact same things. These people today are experiencing
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in a different context, right, completely different contexts, And it's
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so fascinating, say, wait a minute, this has been going
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on that long and we don't know what the hell
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it is. That's you know that that says something about us.
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Yeah, really, I mean that is probably the best explanation
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when it comes to Skinwalker that I've ever heard, because
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I find it. You know, I look through videos every
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single day, and I have posted a lot on Skinwalkers,
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but it's not I can never fully believe it because
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it doesn't seem tangible. There's not any video of one,
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you know, you can't really and and and then you
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take the legends. There's so diverse, and there's if you could,
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I don't think you could see what they're talking about.
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So yeah, and when you first went through Skinwalker, when
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you passed the gate, what did you experience.
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Well, that's the funny thing about that place. So one
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of the things that happened, So I was sent out
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there by how doctor Putov, who is you know, he
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led the institute for a band studying often he put
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me on a team with a a doctor, a forensic
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neurologist who he and I partnered together, and they said,
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go out and figure out what the hell's going on
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in that area because so many people were getting hurt
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the Bigelow era. There was a lot of people that
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got hurt, a lot of people were leaving it and
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having all of these problems. So he sent us out there.
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So when you get indoctrinated into that and you're told
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about it and the lore and everything like that, you know,
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you brace just before you go in. But the funny
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thing is that I didn't really feel anxious when I
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went in. As soon as you cross the gate, for
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some ungodly reason, you start feeling apprehensive. And I'm not,
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you know, I mean this, I'm a person that really
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had never really had any kind of experiences. But every
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single time you go past that that gate, you know,
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to enter the property, you feel a little like step back.
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It's like there's something, you know, do you feel like
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there's somebody looking at you, or there's there's something monitoring you,
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or you're looking around. You're always cost looking up at
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the Mesa. No matter what you're doing, you're always looking around.
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a lookout because there's something weird going on here.
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That's the only time that I've you know, the only
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place that I've had that feeling. And everybody that walks
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on there has the same basic feeling. Ironically or actually
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you know, to back that up, most of the people
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religious people that walk on to the place stop, say
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a prayer first, then walk on. And these are people
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that you know, devout religious people, right, So it says
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something about the property and the area. And it's not
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just the it's not just that particular property. There's other
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pockets of area that you get that same particular feeling.
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And that's in the skin Walker area. You get this
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sinister like looking over your shoulder. You're always looking up
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at the Mesa saying, who the frick is looking at me?
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That's bizarre, ye are.
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And there's the hairst time I ever experienced that. And
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as a scientist, you know, when you work for a lab,
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like you know, doctor Pusof's lab, you're taught to be
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very objective, never to take leaps always to look at
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things as a as a question work and you know,
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for later proof. So but when you walk on this place,
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it's just very strange.
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It's interesting. That is so interesting.
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And so.
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You're on Skinwalker Ranch, right and you're there to do
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You're gonna run some tests, you're gonna do some stuff,
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you're gonna work with this guy. Did anything happen to
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you specifically while you were there? Did you have any experiences?
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Like I said, I don't believe. So, See, the problem
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is how do you relate? And then that's a problem
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a lot of people have. They don't know where the
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line is between Okay, this is just normal stuff and
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okay this is weird stuff.
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Yeah.
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So you go on a property like that and you
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know you hear something, say, wait a minute, is that
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something I should be aware of? So you're always on edge,
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you know, you're always looking for that thing. So it
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could have happened. But there has been times, not on
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that particular property, but other properties that I visited in
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the area. I'm on another I'm on a show right
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now called Bland Frog Ranch and the one hundred and
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eighty degree opposite. When you walk on that place, you
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feel amazing. People actually go there to feel good. I swear,
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it's like the weirdest thing. You go on there and
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you just don't feel like you want to leave. It's
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very it's very open, it's very you know, it feels
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like it just you feel good. I mean you literally
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feel good. People go there and claim that they walk
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away healed whatever. Yeah, whatever ailment there. They had a
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pool there at one time that they filled in recently
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where they would go in and they would come away
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and they would actually stay, oh you know, my static,
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my sciatica is gone, or or my you know, I
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had a you know, some allesion that that disappeared because
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I went in there.
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Wow.
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So you know, those are just anecdotal stories, but the
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context when you walk on a place like in that area,
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and it's true of all a lot of areas around
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Lickpark Ranch, you feel good. A lot of the areas
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around Skinwalker Ranch. And I'm just saying at Skinwalker Ranch,
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there's like a dozen places I visited and talked to
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they say the same thing. Everything is now I want
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to call it sinister, but very alertish, you know, kind
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of step back and like whoa wait a minute, something
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something's weird here.
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I think when you say being watched, is the best
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way to explain that feeling, I guess because it's an
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easy feeling. You know you're being watched.
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Yeah, you just have that strange feeling. You look around,
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there's nothing there, but you just know something is there
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that is creepy.
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Then, so what kind of test did you run at
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Skinwalker Ranch?
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Well, we knew people were getting hurt, we knew kind
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of what the medical reports because we went off medical reports,
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were first handed a stack of two hundred medical reports
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from on the lab that have collected over the years,
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and said, look, you go take a look at this.
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Bigelow had medical reports from his people. You know what
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he said, He said, you know, here's the reports, go
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figure out what's going on there? Just too many, too coincidental.
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So you go into a place like that and you
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start saying, okay, well, what's the common denominator, what could
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possibly be the cause? And you're not really living for answers.
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You're not really trying to find the exact answer. What
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you're trying to find is what they call vectors. You know,
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where is there like an excess of radiation in the ground.
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So you do. You do elemental analysis of some of
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the other soil, which is natural, and then maybe you
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go and you do a IR scan to see if
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there's any thermals in the area that might be a
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little weird. Then you take water samples and you look
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at you know, anything that's strange going on. You do
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things like that, the same kind of test, but specifically
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around what's happening medically to these people.
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I remember seeing that you guys are doing tests on
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the ground, and did you see any of because if
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I recall, there was some people that were it was daylight,
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y'all were working on some on the patch of the ground,
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and then there was something in the sky.
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Did you say, We had a couple of things like
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that where we were focused on the ground and what
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we saw above the ground was a big vortex developing.
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And every time the vortex developed, you know, our instrumentation
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would go bunkers. Same thing happened in blind Frog. You
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get these energy pockets. I don't know how they you know,
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we don't really at this point know how they form.
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But these energy pockets that actually create atmospheric vortexes up
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in the sky that might be generated under the ground
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I mean there's a lot of so in that area.
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There's a lot of aquifers underneath so and it looks
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like and just to give you a little context of
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what I mean by that, a lot of the strange
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places that are in this this you know, in the
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United States, there's always this aquifer that you could find
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around it. So you know, whatever whatever the entity is
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might be just you know, just around this big, large,
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massive water. So underneath a skinwalker, underneath bland product there's
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all this big water tables and it's all these rivers
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and things like deep So we say, you know, is
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there something going on under there that's actually creating Are
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there minerals going fast through there that's creating vortexes underneath
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which are actually creating atmospheric bortexes. But it's strange to
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sit there and watch and you look up and all
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of a sudden you've got this rotational thing above your head.
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It's very strange.
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So you can visually see it, like what does it
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look like?
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Yeah, well it's it's almost like a tornado developing, but
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it's like miles and miles in diameter, so it's yeah,
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it's a big vortex that that's so you can fixture
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all the clouds actually lining up to go in a circle,
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and they just go in the circle and then after
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a while it disipates. Yeah, but it's like you know hot,
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you know, I know physical, you know physically how it happens,
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but what is the actual thing that can make that happen?
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A lot of such you know, a lot of energy
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is needed to do that right. And we you know,
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they found one at blind Frog Branch just recently that
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I was actually there for Wow. And then we saw one,
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you know, maybe three or four years ago at Skinwalker,
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and it's it's just that you look up and you
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take pause because it's like, what the heck is that
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and how that form?
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It's got to be unsettling to see something that big. Yeah,
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and does it mess with your instruments?
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Well, well that's what things that to think that pays first,
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you say, you know why, Oh, first of all, when
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I was on Skinwalker, blond Frog doesn't have any cows
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on there that are theirs. But when I was on
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Skinwalker at that moment when that thing developed, all the
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cows started acting very strangely. I'm not a farmer by
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and you stretch of the imagination. But they were basically stampeding
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back and forth, you know, through the through the pastures.
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And I asked them, you know is that normally said no,
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this is something wrong, and then you know they were
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scared of something.
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Yeah.
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So, and it's kind of ironic that the animals, the
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dogs and horses, specially horses and cattle, seem to react
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faster than humans because us humans, our rational brain is
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constantly looking to make sense of things. Right, so we
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see something we don't understand, we take the first couple
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seconds to kind of look at it and say, oh,
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wait a minute, okay, I get that, or you know,
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then you get scared. But animals don't have that. Yeah,
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dogs will bark, cattle stampede, horses will you know, I mean,
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they get very agitated. They just react and you've got
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instantly yeah.
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Yeah. And you hear stories of like right before an earthquake,
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animals will react to it before it even happens. So yeah,
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that sounds.
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So. We have a study going on right now where
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we have over three hundred people that are in the
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study and every day these people put in their narratives
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to talk about their experiences and stuff like that. When
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we go through. We have like over forty thousand narratives
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from these people. When you go through and you look
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at the incidences that they report, probably thirty percent of
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the time that they have the instances they would say,
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you know, at first, my cat started going crazy or
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my dog started barking. So it was always starting this
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whole big the bigger type, the bigger type of incidence
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that they have the experience that they have always start
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off with the animal reacting first.
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Wow.
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Yeah, they were super sensitive.
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That is crazy.
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Man.
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Have you ever heard of I don't want to go
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too far off the topic here, but Stardus Ranch. Have
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you heard of that?
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Yeah? Sure, Yeah, we started working with them a little bit.
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They're the ones in Arizona. Correct I'm not getting the
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right ones, I think so.
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Yes.
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So Bigelow looked at those, he brought his scientists there,
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couldn't make an arrangement with the people, so he kind
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of went back to Skinwalker. And then there's another ranch
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that he purchased I forgot the name of it out
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and maybe Mexico. But he looked at Stardust. Very strange
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things that the owner there, I mean had reports of
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physically seeing grays, which is very very not usual. People
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don't normally don't see the actual entity, right, But I
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talked to the gentleman there just before he died. He
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died like three years ago. Yes, yeah, he died a
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few years ago unfortunately. Yeah, right, and uh, he was very,
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very sick. But he was a He was a guy
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that you know, he was one of the people that
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I respected because he came to grips with it. He said, look,
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I know it's there. I am not going to get
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my life is not going to get turned around by it,
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and I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm going to face it
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right on. So unfortunately he passed away. So all the
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education and learning that he and he never wrote a
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book or actually I think a book was written.
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Yeah, I believe there was a book. Looking for that book,
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couldn't find it.
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It's I yeah, I remember talking to the author because
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I had a meeting with them, and it was like
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one of those things that he wrote a book about
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this property, but I don't think it ever got published unfortunately.
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Well, you know, the the reason I bring it up
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is because you're talking about the vortex that happened there that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they had vortex is their big time.
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Yeah, he had. And you know it kind of when
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you say vortex, it makes me think of like a portal,
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something that could something come through the portal. Right, And
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so John had mentioned that he he could tell when
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a portal was opening up because his house the windows
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would shake and he said, I they're coming, and so,
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well what happened is he would go to where the
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portal was. He would see a little hand come out
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the portal and and then when they realized they were okay,
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they would come. The grays would come out. But John,
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at this point, it was like two years later, John
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was like he's had enough. So when they would put
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their little hand out, he'd grab that hand and he'd
482
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pull them in and slice them with a sword or
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shoot them or he would do also.
484
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I remember his stories. It was very crazy. Yeah did
485
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to them.
486
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Yeah. I have a lot of respect for that man
487
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because he was highly respected in his community and for
488
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him to come out and say what he saw, he
489
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knew he was going to get just obliterated.
490
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And that's an instance where that property is sitting over
491
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a big aquifer and it's also backed up to a
492
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big canyon, just like the you went to basin where
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00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:35.839
Skinwalker Ranch and Life Fright Ranch are. You've got a
494
00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:38.079
lot of water underneath, You've got a big canyon that
495
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surrounds it, so you almost have this filtering or this
496
00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:42.960
funnel effect going.
497
00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:46.279
On there that is so much you know, Gray's aside,
498
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could this just be a natural occurrence?
499
00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:55.079
So that's a it's a question that's been that's been
500
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addressed many many times there, and you could look at
501
00:25:59.119 --> 00:26:02.279
it from the perfer and say, yes, it does all
502
00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:07.880
the things that happen that our physical line up. But
503
00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:11.960
the problem is a lot of people experience something that
504
00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:14.839
they don't understand and they get some type of injuries
505
00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:17.880
that don't relate to what was going on. So they'll
506
00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:22.319
have physical marks and changes to their body that can't
507
00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:26.079
be explained by a natural phenomena. It's not like they'll
508
00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:29.839
go through a situation where they might develop some autoimmune
509
00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:32.319
type symptoms or they might develop it you know, like
510
00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:35.920
extreme headaches and things like that. That's not something that
511
00:26:36.039 --> 00:26:39.960
we ever found a way that a natural phenomena can
512
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cause that to happen, right, you would have to have
513
00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:45.279
some form of a like radiation or something like that.
514
00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:51.119
But it's like all these things happen at once, and
515
00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:54.200
it could be a source that we don't physically understand,
516
00:26:54.200 --> 00:26:57.240
but it just expresses itself like a natural phenomena in
517
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one way and an unknown phenomen in another way. You
518
00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:04.440
know how it affects people and cattle and things like that.
519
00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:08.039
That's fascinating, man. I think you know, something like that
520
00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:11.440
is very very hard to explain. Did you come up
521
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with like, did you come up with any like did
522
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:19.079
you find anything? Were you able to put something together
523
00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:22.160
and claim like this is what's going on? Or did
524
00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:25.720
you know because there wasn't there a gentleman and I
525
00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:28.480
don't want to say names here, but had an injury
526
00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:34.640
in the back of their neck that was described as
527
00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:38.319
I couldn't even I can't even can you explain that?
528
00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:40.079
Because I heard it, so.
529
00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:42.319
I can't really go into too much detail. But there
530
00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:45.319
was somebody that really that was associated with the ranch,
531
00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:48.880
didn't really spend much time on the ranch. This is
532
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:54.000
can walk her, but claimed to have been hurt by
533
00:27:54.079 --> 00:27:59.000
an interaction that they had previously on the ranch, and
534
00:27:59.079 --> 00:28:02.440
subsequent to that interaction, it was like they were given instructions.
535
00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:05.599
This person was given like, you know, detailed instructions to
536
00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:09.480
go do something. Then subsequently after that, I think about
537
00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:13.039
a month later, they developed something that they couldn't explain,
538
00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:15.680
so they went to the doctors and you know, actually
539
00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:18.240
got admitted to the hospital and then they were not
540
00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:21.200
able to understand what this was. And that's one of
541
00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:25.079
the cases that this this medical doctor and I looked
542
00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:27.279
at to see whether or not. The problem with that
543
00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:30.599
case is that they weren't really on the property very
544
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:34.519
much prior to their incidents, so we really couldn't match
545
00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:36.960
it very well. So that was unfortunate. In other words,
546
00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:41.079
it had really good symptoms to look at, but there
547
00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:44.480
was no association to kind of link it to the property.
548
00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:47.000
In fact, it was you know, the person had been
549
00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:50.640
traveling on an airplane and not even so he was
550
00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:53.599
like far away from that branch. So it was a
551
00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:56.359
good opportunity, but there was so many more that were
552
00:28:56.440 --> 00:28:59.319
like right, we had people that were on the property
553
00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:03.079
physically went home and then a week later they developed
554
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:06.079
these incredible and that not only they developed symptoms, but
555
00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:09.440
their families from developing the same symptoms as them. These
556
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:13.680
very rare autoimmune diseases that you can't just say, you know,
557
00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:16.440
I got these from you know, eating something and these
558
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:19.640
are things that are very detrimental to their help and
559
00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:20.720
very very rare.
560
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:26.240
So a person developed an autoimmune and then their family
561
00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:29.240
ye also, that doesn't make any sense.
562
00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:31.039
So that was one of the things, and that was
563
00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:33.000
something that was coined as I don't know if you
564
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:36.640
ever heard of this, this term called the Hitticker effect. No,
565
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:41.119
So we found, you know, again going back to your
566
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:43.920
you have to take a statistically, a scientific view of
567
00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:47.200
things and use the proper methods. So we had a
568
00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:50.400
lot of reports of people going, you know, being in
569
00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:52.400
the area. You know, it doesn't have to be on
570
00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:56.160
those ranches, could be just in the area, going back home,
571
00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:59.799
and then they would develop diseases. I'm sorry, they would
572
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.400
and their family members would start developing diseases. And it
573
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:07.039
was to the point where we had so many occurrences
574
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:10.519
of this. So we were in a very unique situation
575
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:13.200
where a lot of the medical reports came back to
576
00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:17.119
us because we were, you know, basically the place where
577
00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:19.599
you said, I don't you know, the doctors would say,
578
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:20.920
I don't know what the hell's going on. I have
579
00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:23.279
to figure this out, and then they would they would
580
00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:27.119
eventually call us and say, here's the situation. You know,
581
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:29.160
we were on the property for a month doing it,
582
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:32.519
you know, working for Bigelow. We had doing some instrumentation.
583
00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:36.279
I went home and my son got seriously ill with
584
00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:40.240
this very rare autoimmune disease. Okay, that's that's data point
585
00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:42.960
number one, right. Then another person would claim that, and
586
00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:44.920
then another person wild claim that. All of a sudden,
587
00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:48.440
you've got literally twenty four of these people that claim
588
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:51.880
to have been in the area gone home having their
589
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:55.440
their one of their family members get sick. And you say,
590
00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:58.200
wait a minute, there's something weird going on here. So
591
00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:01.519
you get statistics to show and then you can actually
592
00:31:01.640 --> 00:31:04.680
use very good you know, basing and statistics to figure out, Okay,
593
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:07.839
this is actually something that is not an anomaly, and
594
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:10.839
it's got a possibility that it was something that was
595
00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:15.279
born at their interaction with the with the property and
596
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:19.000
they carried it home physically, how that would happen? You know,
597
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:22.359
it's not a it's not a virus, it's not it's
598
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:26.200
not a bacteria, it's not a fungus. It's something other
599
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:29.200
than that. What that is, who the frig knows, But
600
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.160
we knew that it was something that was being carried
601
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:36.200
home by the individual that was, you know, put on
602
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:39.960
the body. Now, Bob Bigelow spent a lot of time
603
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:43.880
on the ranch. His wife got deathly ill. He never
604
00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:46.799
got ill. His wife got deathly ill with the same
605
00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:51.359
autoimium blood disease that some of these other people were
606
00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:55.480
being sick being found to happen. And that's why one
607
00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:58.799
of the bigger and subsequently she passed away unfortunately from it.
608
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:03.799
That's one of the biggest reasons she She told him
609
00:32:03.839 --> 00:32:06.319
basically sell the ranch. That's why he got rid of
610
00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:10.319
the ranch, because she felt that he brought something back
611
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:15.640
with him that made her deathly ill. And that's unfortunate.
612
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:21.000
That is so sad man. I mean, what, how do
613
00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:24.079
you explain that there's I can't think. Yeah, like you said,
614
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:27.039
it's not a virus, it's not any kind of bacteria.
615
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:28.759
How does auto amusement?
616
00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:31.799
Okay, So here here's one of the kind of the
617
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:34.319
thoughts I mean, I mean, I'm not not a theory
618
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:38.319
or anything yet, but you mentioned it before this, this
619
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:41.960
this whole idea of transmensional and things like that. We
620
00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:44.599
we always assume that everything lives in three day, right,
621
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:46.440
I mean, that's the way I see. That's where our
622
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:48.599
body you know, works, and all this other kind of stuff.
623
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:51.319
We don't know. I mean, we don't know if we're
624
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:54.960
sitting in a big pool of other things, other consciousness.
625
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:57.640
What if it is I mean, what if it is
626
00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:00.720
something that you know, maybe when they were on the ranch,
627
00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:04.680
something linked up to their consciousness and followed them home
628
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:07.880
basically because consciousness, I mean could be I mean, if
629
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:11.519
somebody has the technology that could follow somebody, if they
630
00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:14.319
if they could, if they can see us from one
631
00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:16.359
hundred light years away, why can't they just go another
632
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:19.319
couple of hundred miles to someplace else. It doesn't exactly,
633
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:25.319
so maybe they got hooked up. Maybe the the entity
634
00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:28.839
found them interesting, followed them home and then looked at
635
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:32.240
their their sibling or their you know, their oping or whatever,
636
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:34.759
and said, oh, that's that's a you know, their same
637
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.440
DNA and stuff like that. Let me jump over to
638
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:41.920
them now, right. So that's kind of what we're thinking,
639
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:45.039
is that it's not a physical thing like a vector
640
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:49.920
being a like a veacteria or a fungus or something
641
00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:52.319
like that, but it's more like a a you're part
642
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:55.319
of the big consciousness, right, So we think that when
643
00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:58.400
like when people say I've been aducted. They say, I've
644
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:01.400
been abducted, and they say, well, are you physically abducted
645
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:06.119
or was consciousness of duct in place? And then you
646
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:09.159
can see other places, And we have hundreds of people
647
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:12.840
that claim this and have good narratives about this. They
648
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.159
felt that they've been abducted, they'd go someplace else and
649
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:19.559
they actually see things that they've never seen before where
650
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:22.480
they physically left the body. No, because you know they're
651
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:25.599
sleeping in bed. But it doesn't mean that our consciousness
652
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:29.800
has to live within our brains. It could be translocated
653
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:33.599
someplace else. Temporarily. They can have all the facilities that
654
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:35.239
they normally have and then.
655
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:36.079
Return back again.
656
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:39.119
So if that's possible, and these you know, like I said,
657
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:42.719
we have forty thousand narratives. Maybe five or six percent
658
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:46.519
of those people have these out of bodies experiences, but
659
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:50.559
they never physically leave it. Something leaves it because they
660
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:54.079
learn something that they've never known before. They would come
661
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:55.760
back and they say, oh, you know, when I was there,
662
00:34:56.239 --> 00:34:58.760
I saw writing and they kind of scribbled the writing,
663
00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:00.960
brought it to somebody and say, oh, yeah, dude, that's
664
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:03.159
writing that hasn't been around for a thousand years, How
665
00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:05.920
did you see this? Or they would go some Yeah,
666
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:09.280
we have hundreds of these examples, and it's such good
667
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:11.920
data for us to analyze. You know, they can go
668
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:15.360
someplace and they say I went someplace, and I swear
669
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:18.440
to God, I was in the future because the technology
670
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:21.039
and all these things were way above what we have now.
671
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:25.840
But they never left the bed. That's a possibility, and
672
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:29.199
those people are actually earnest and true and talking about that.
673
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:34.119
Then people, then this consciousness of links that we have,
674
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:36.320
why can't it transfer to somebody else?
675
00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:39.800
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. You know, I've
676
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:44.480
always thought that, are you know, are our thoughts coming
677
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:47.840
from our brains? What if it's coming from outside of
678
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:51.519
our brains? What if our souls or spirits whatever you
679
00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:55.239
want to call them, is actually our aura and we're
680
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:59.280
kind of like an antenna that perceives you know.
681
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:03.000
Actually right, and then our fore brains are brains that
682
00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:06.719
are actually thinking, are just basically being fed from that
683
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:09.440
link to whatever that consciousness is.
684
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:12.960
Yeah, it's like processing whatever is coming in. Yeah, I mean,
685
00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:16.079
it's just I've always I love talking about stuff like this.
686
00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:18.519
I don't know, I can't prove it, but I find
687
00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:20.880
it fascinating and that a lot of scientists are starting
688
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:23.599
to lean towards that and look at that to take
689
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:28.960
a you know that and like, you know, dreams, why
690
00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:31.400
are we why do we dream? What's what's going on there?
691
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:34.960
And there's some scientists that are actually saying that it's
692
00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:37.639
a possibility on some of your dreams that you're looking
693
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:42.119
into a window of an alternate reality. And I've had
694
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:44.679
dreams that are similar to that. They explain that. You know,
695
00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:47.920
if you say alternate reality, okay, that actually explains this
696
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:49.880
dream I had because it's like I was living in
697
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:50.679
a different world.
698
00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:53.320
So just to put that in the right content, I
699
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:55.760
wanted to everybody is listening to, you know, I talk
700
00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:58.559
about these instances where people report this thing. So what
701
00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:01.000
we do is that we have this study going on
702
00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:03.519
where people all over the world. Now I mean we're
703
00:37:03.559 --> 00:37:07.760
in I think fourteen different countries, and every day they're
704
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:10.920
asked to put it in a narrative. We take that narrative,
705
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:13.480
we run it through what we call the sentiment analysis.
706
00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:16.320
We have all these great tools and stuff like that
707
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:18.599
now from like Facebook and all this, all these great
708
00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:22.039
tools that can tell us exactly what the person's thought
709
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.679
were the sentiment was, and then we'll run this, you know,
710
00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:27.880
they'll they'll come up with like three or four paragraphs
711
00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:30.559
describing this incident where they maybe had an out of
712
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:34.159
body and it'll tell us if these people were making
713
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:36.679
it up, if these people were earnest, that these people
714
00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:39.880
were scared. It'll tell us exactly what they were feeling
715
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:43.280
when they when they had this, when they reported this,
716
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:47.119
So we know exactly if you know, if they're basically
717
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:49.800
making this up or this is this is not true
718
00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:53.639
and these a lot of these people are earnestly telling us,
719
00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:57.360
and all indications report that this is the truth. This
720
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.880
is almost like you know nowadays AI is. It could
721
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:03.559
be thought of as a really really accurate light detector.
722
00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:06.119
And I don't want to say people lie. I'm just
723
00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:09.679
saying it's a very accurate lie detector system, you can say.
724
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:12.239
So we take a little bit of that technology and
725
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:14.639
running over the things that people are telling us to
726
00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:16.840
give an indication of whether or not, you know, they
727
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:20.119
were telling a story or they were actually telling something
728
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:23.719
that they actually witnessed. And most of the time it's
729
00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:27.360
what they witnessed. So when I tell these stories, I
730
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:30.880
don't tell the ones that we don't indicate, you know,
731
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:34.039
good statistics. I tell about the ones that people say
732
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:36.559
they were scared. I mean they were really scared when
733
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:37.480
they wrote these things.
734
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:39.880
Yeah, that is super interesting.
735
00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:42.199
That, which is the only way you can do science.
736
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:45.440
You can't do science by just taking anecdotal information is
737
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:48.639
using it forbatim. You have to filter it out and
738
00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:49.840
pull out what you need.
739
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:52.960
Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense. Yeah, you
740
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:56.519
got to remove the emotional. You have to exactly get
741
00:38:56.559 --> 00:38:59.920
down to the nitty gritty and look at it objectively.
742
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:02.960
And that's what I love about science, man. I love that,
743
00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:06.639
you know, because in what I do, a lot of people,
744
00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:11.039
some people will lie, and a lot of people use
745
00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:14.880
AI to try to fool people with paranormal stuff. And
746
00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:17.119
you know, it's it's getting better and better. It's getting
747
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:22.559
very difficult to tell the difference now. But so I
748
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:26.480
wanted to talk to you about blind Frog Ranch. So, okay,
749
00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:29.360
you're shooting that now or is that something that you're just.
750
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:31.880
Well, Okay, we shot it in October and it's actually
751
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:34.760
being it's released now, so they have eight episodes. I
752
00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:37.079
believe it's actually aired now on Discovery.
753
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:38.599
Okay, I'm gonna check that out.
754
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:42.079
Yeah, so in my episode. So I did an episode
755
00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:45.840
where they called me up and said, we just had
756
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:49.400
a earthquake. It was very, very strange earthquake because it
757
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:52.360
was so so deep in the ground, and because of that,
758
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:56.559
all these weird things started happening. She said, can you
759
00:39:56.599 --> 00:39:58.480
come over here and try to explain it to us
760
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:00.599
and figure out what the heck was? You know, can
761
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:04.320
possibly have happened? So they said, and also, I'm going
762
00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:05.960
to record it and make an episode out of it.
763
00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:10.719
So they did that, found out that there was this again.
764
00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:14.239
And this is why I say this, We instrumented the property.
765
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:15.920
It's a big frick of property. I mean, this thing
766
00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:18.320
is enormous, but we instrument in such a way. We
767
00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:23.760
triangulated and looked for interesting things around the property and
768
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:28.280
found out that there's this big rotational energy flow in
769
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:33.599
the underground that that is basically just sitting there. It's
770
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:35.880
and it's transient. It doesn't happen all the time, it
771
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:38.320
happens a little bit. So we recorded this over a
772
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:40.599
period of time. When you found out this this weird
773
00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:43.360
energy flow was going on and off and on and off,
774
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:45.480
It's like, wait a minute, nature doesn't do things like that,
775
00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:48.960
so it was just very strange. And then all that
776
00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:51.760
you know, when this happens, then you get these big
777
00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:54.159
bork Texas in the sky where you get these rotational
778
00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:57.920
things and the sky that you can't explain. So when
779
00:40:57.920 --> 00:40:59.400
they dragged me out there and they said, you know,
780
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:01.480
can you try to under help us understand what the
781
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:04.639
hell's going on here because we have no clue. This
782
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:06.920
is you know, of course this is Dane Olinger when
783
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:11.280
he just unfortunately just passed away, he said, you got
784
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:14.880
to help us understand this. So while I was out there,
785
00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:17.119
they had you know, they said, can you instrument this
786
00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:19.760
and read and figure it out. We found out that
787
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:22.800
it was this like big rotational thing under the ground.
788
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:27.960
Now it could just be a a river river full
789
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:31.519
of ions of like maybe iron ions or something like
790
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:35.239
that that's creating a big magnetic field because it's rotating.
791
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:38.519
You know, our earth core is rotating so fast, that's
792
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:42.320
what that's why we get our magical magnetic field that
793
00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:46.480
protects us from all the Sun's high energy particles. So
794
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:51.360
maybe there's a river underneath, fast flowing river underneath the
795
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:56.079
blind frog that's also creating this localized magnetic magnetic field
796
00:41:56.119 --> 00:42:00.199
that's doing this. But because the earthquake came and was
797
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:04.360
so low underground that they were just very suspicious. So
798
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:06.679
they had a couple of geologists look at this thing
799
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:09.280
and say, this is something that we've never seen before
800
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:12.920
in this area. So anyway, it was very interesting. I
801
00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:14.760
learned a lot and and kind of got to the
802
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:17.280
point where it said there might be something really weird
803
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:21.239
going on here. Yeah, it's just just you know, stumbled upon.
804
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:24.559
So but it took an earthquake to kind of wake
805
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:28.039
that up and get people to realize there might be
806
00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:31.400
some energy flow underneath because they couldn't explain why they
807
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:33.880
were constantly getting bortexes above the ground.
808
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:37.039
So that's the case. You say it stops every once
809
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:38.800
in a while, right, like it.
810
00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:41.760
Well, it's periodic. It goes up and down over a
811
00:42:41.840 --> 00:42:45.239
period of like you know, like a day. So it
812
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:47.519
would be big and then it small and we'd be
813
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:48.719
big and we'd be small.
814
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:49.440
Wow.
815
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:53.280
So it's not constant like you would expect for a
816
00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:56.280
flowing river. It's like so that's and of course it's
817
00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:58.159
one hundreds feet underground, so there's no way we're going
818
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:00.440
to get down there and figure out what's going on
819
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:03.400
at this point. But it was just so weird that
820
00:43:03.400 --> 00:43:04.159
that was happening.
821
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:08.360
And so what is blind frog like? Can people just
822
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:11.039
go onto the ranch or do it? Is it a
823
00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:14.079
closed primary used to be like that there.
824
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:17.760
So it was a land purchased by Duwayne Oldinger and
825
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:22.280
he bought it not for a show, not for anything else.
826
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:26.280
He was told that there's gold buried on the property.
827
00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:28.519
That's the only thing he cared about it, says, I'm
828
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:29.920
going to go get the gold. And there's a couple
829
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:31.760
of there's a couple of people that do that. They're
830
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:35.119
you know, treasure hunters. Turns out that every time that
831
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:37.559
he started doing things and things were happening a lot
832
00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:40.159
of weird stuff, like he would dig a hole and
833
00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:42.639
all these blind frogs literally came out of the ground,
834
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:47.239
or he would do certain things and like, you know, anyway,
835
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:50.320
so he was having a lot of problems with the
836
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:53.119
property because he would do things and things would break,
837
00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:55.599
things that you know, people would get six the people
838
00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:58.280
would have problems, you know, the same type of things
839
00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:00.000
that are happening on skin Walker. And he said, wait,
840
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:02.800
you know, something weird going on, and I guess Discovery
841
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:05.639
Channel saw him out and said, you know, could we
842
00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:07.920
do a show about your property. You know, he didn't
843
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:10.480
really care because he wanted to look for gold. That's
844
00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:12.920
what his ambission was. But it turned out to be very,
845
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:16.599
very popular because every time you try to do something,
846
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:19.280
weird stuff would happen. So and that's when he called
847
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:21.280
me up. He said, Jimmy, you could you come here
848
00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:24.119
and help us figure out what's going on. So I
849
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:26.800
got involved in the property as well.
850
00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:31.519
So it's interesting that you were saying that they people
851
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:36.599
actually can will go there and then suddenly get able to.
852
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:39.079
Go in the water, and it's one of those places
853
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:41.880
you go on and then, like I said, you feel euphoric.
854
00:44:41.920 --> 00:44:44.519
I mean, you feel good about the place and you
855
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:46.760
go into water and you come out and you I mean,
856
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:49.960
people have said that their sciatica's gone, or you know,
857
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:52.559
maybe their fibrosis went away or something. You know, some
858
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:56.440
claim that, you know, things just all of a sudden
859
00:44:56.480 --> 00:45:00.719
got better. They feel better. Whether or not it's you know, psychological,
860
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:04.440
I don't know, but it's just a general consensus that
861
00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:06.559
when you go on that property, you just feel good,
862
00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:09.360
like which is the opposite of skinwalker. Right, you go
863
00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:11.840
on that property. You just like feel whoa, you know,
864
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:12.920
something staring at me.
865
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:19.199
Take people that actually have those autoimmune issues out of
866
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:21.840
Skinwalker and take them the blind Frog.
867
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:23.119
Oh that's interesting.
868
00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:26.800
See if there's some sort of reversal.
869
00:45:26.920 --> 00:45:30.559
That's interesting. I love that. That's actually a really good
870
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:35.199
question about that. But we do have people that I've
871
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:38.400
been in pro both properties, and we have a couple
872
00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:42.760
of individuals that have gone there walk the property, had
873
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:45.760
these big, big rashes end up on their feet. I
874
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:48.159
mean not the kind of rashes that poison if or
875
00:45:48.199 --> 00:45:52.280
anything like that, real radiation burnt type of things. I
876
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:54.639
wonder if they and that person has been on the
877
00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:59.039
other property and has said that they've had things heal
878
00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:03.920
on them that they've never had the ability to heal before,
879
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:07.880
that would be fascinating. So one of the things that
880
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:12.519
I've been pondering, So because of that weird thing that happened.
881
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:15.920
Like I said, we have this study. We placed a
882
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:20.679
lot of our instrumentation devices in the area and find
883
00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:23.559
out I found out that there is a delineation. There's
884
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:26.119
a like a north and salt you know, the higher
885
00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:29.639
up you get in the canyon towards the mountains, the
886
00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:33.440
more you for people feel like that's where all the
887
00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:37.920
Native Americans do their ceremonies and have their rituals and
888
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:41.639
things like that, way up high where black Frog branches.
889
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:45.719
But down south where skin Walker is, that's kind of
890
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:48.280
where they don't really do a lot. Down there. It's
891
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:51.280
mostly the Aztecs came and they and they, you know,
892
00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:54.840
there's all these bad things, people getting murdered and killed
893
00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:57.280
and things like that. So it seems to be like
894
00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:00.679
a North and Salt thing going on just in that area,
895
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:02.320
where as soon as you cross the line, all of
896
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:05.159
a sudden, everybody reports things are great. You get below
897
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:08.039
the line, it's kind of questioned and you know, marginal
898
00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:09.880
as far as you know, are they you know, it's
899
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:13.519
just a just a happy place for not that's crazy. Man.
900
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:17.960
Did you get medical records from blind Frog? Did they
901
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:19.119
give you the same type of thing?
902
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:23.039
You had them for several patients or actuldn't say patients.
903
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:26.599
Several individuals that were on that property. We had, you know,
904
00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:31.079
some one individual we have detailed records of that actually
905
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:34.440
have things happened to them. So yeah, we do have
906
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:38.480
part of the study, so you know, and we found,
907
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:43.400
you know, basically that that that same corroboration between what
908
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:46.119
the what you feel you would you feel about the
909
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:48.000
property and what the property does to you.
910
00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:52.760
Hmmm. That'd be fascinating those two data points from skin
911
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:57.000
Walker and from blind Frog, and then cross some of
912
00:47:57.039 --> 00:48:00.920
those patients to go to blind Frog had some sort
913
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:03.840
of calamity from Skinwalker and see there's some sort of
914
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:06.159
maybe they're connected in a way, maybe like you say,
915
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:08.280
north South, maybe there's some sort.
916
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:13.239
Of People have said lay lines to me. I know,
917
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:14.639
I don't know if you ever heard of that term
918
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:18.280
lay lines. It's like an energy line that exists. But
919
00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:21.079
you know, it's not energy. When we say energy, it's
920
00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:24.320
not like you plug your your you're plugging the wall
921
00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:26.119
and you get energy out of it. It's like this
922
00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:30.000
invisible energy feels that are present all over the world,
923
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:33.599
and they call them lay lines because they do transitions
924
00:48:33.679 --> 00:48:36.559
or flows there. And it's very possible that there's a
925
00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:39.840
flow of energy from the north to the south where
926
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:42.360
by the time it gets to the south, maybe that
927
00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:45.519
energy has switched over to the you know, the negative side,
928
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:48.079
because energy could be positive and negative, right, it goes
929
00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:50.440
back and forth. It's like a sine wave or you know,
930
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:53.159
it goes up and down. So it maybe by the
931
00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:55.639
time it's it's skin Walker, it's high, and then by
932
00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:58.880
the time it goes to the by the time it's
933
00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:02.119
in blind Frog gets high. Maybe when it gets down
934
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:06.239
to Skinwalker with'sin a trough, it's low. You know, who knows,
935
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:08.880
but it just you know, all we have to go
936
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:12.800
by is what people report. What are what our sensors report, right.
937
00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:15.719
And so you know, here's here's the thought I have, Like,
938
00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:19.639
if you think about dimensions, if you think about uh
939
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:24.239
some scientists have said that we are obviously we're in
940
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:28.559
the third dimension. There's several dimensions, right, and we cannot
941
00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:31.840
see those other dimensions. What if they're able to see us,
942
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:34.440
or what if they're able they exist in the same
943
00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:39.239
like place, the same time frame, the same time space,
944
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:41.800
or what have you, and they're moving around and we
945
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:44.679
can't see them and they have something to do with this.
946
00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:48.480
What if there's a lot of uh like, highly charged
947
00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:53.480
energy of the beings that are whatever dimension and blind
948
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:57.000
Frog and negatively charged energy in skin.
949
00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:01.239
Very very possible. Uh So, one of the evidence that
950
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:05.360
we have of that exact statement is that the electromagnetic spectrum,
951
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:08.320
which is you know, comprises of the visible stuff. We
952
00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:11.800
could see the radio waves that come to our phone,
953
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:15.599
the radio waves that go into like heat and things
954
00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:20.719
like that. These are all basically waves that are in nature.
955
00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:24.440
We can only see a tiny, tiny bit of it, right.
956
00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:27.400
We can only see the visible stuff like all you know, words,
957
00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:30.639
you're red, orange, you know all that stuff. Right, But
958
00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:35.239
we have instruments that could see other stuff. But maybe
959
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:39.280
these entities exist in other parts of the spectrum that
960
00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:43.000
we just can't see or detect. Is very possible, right,
961
00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:45.679
these like the radio waves and things like that. What
962
00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:48.880
if that's where they live and they communicate and things
963
00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:52.199
like that, or they're around us, we just can't see them,
964
00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:54.480
just like you know, for instance, if somebody if you're
965
00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:57.000
in a dark room and somebody walks past you because
966
00:50:57.039 --> 00:50:59.440
they don't they don't have any light coming up, and
967
00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:02.840
then we can't see them, but they're there. It's very
968
00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:07.000
very possible. It's possible, like to see the tic tacks
969
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:11.519
that they saw out and off of the limits and
970
00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:14.639
some of the other ships. It's possible that just for
971
00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:18.199
an instance, for a small and since they became uncloaked
972
00:51:18.199 --> 00:51:21.920
and they dropped into our visible light or our thermal
973
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:25.159
light range that we can see them physically, but all
974
00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:26.760
the rest of the time they're kind of like this,
975
00:51:26.920 --> 00:51:29.599
they go into something some other thing that we just
976
00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:33.719
can't see, but they're physically there. Yeah, we have a
977
00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:37.159
lot of reports of orbs. Most of the reports that
978
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:39.960
we get our people seeing orbs things flying through the sky,
979
00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:43.800
now spacecraft. But these energy balls. Is very possible that
980
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:48.760
if something energetic flies into our area that we can't see,
981
00:51:48.920 --> 00:51:51.360
but you know, with the air and also the stuff,
982
00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:54.639
it might have some residue on the outside that's a
983
00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:57.079
little bit dirty that we can just see. It's almost
984
00:51:57.159 --> 00:52:00.320
like you know, a flash flight that shine is a
985
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:04.000
little bit mostly forward, but has a little bit going backwards.
986
00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:07.320
We can so we can see the back of the flashlight.
987
00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:11.199
Sometimes maybe that's the kind of thing that's happening to
988
00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:13.800
these these craps or whatever. You know, most of the
989
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:16.480
life's going here, but a little bits reflecting back and
990
00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:17.559
that's the stuff we see.
991
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:19.199
You know.
992
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:21.840
It makes me think of you're talking about these these
993
00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:24.679
balls of light, these orbs. If you think of a
994
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:28.000
cube in the three dimensional space and then you put
995
00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:32.079
in the fourth dimensional space, they're called a Tesseract sure,
996
00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:37.280
which is this moving? It's like it's a cube, but
997
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:41.159
it's like it's constantly moving. It looks like a lot
998
00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:44.039
bigger than a cube. It looks a lot it would
999
00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:46.360
look different to us. We can't even see it really,
1000
00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:50.400
but we can theorize it. And they say, you can
1001
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:53.079
make a shadow of it into the third it's a
1002
00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:55.960
cube we're looking at. But what if that's the same
1003
00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:59.159
thing with these orbs that they're coming They actually don't
1004
00:52:59.199 --> 00:53:01.639
look like what we're seeing they but we see them
1005
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:04.719
as orbs, but there's actually something else from another dimension
1006
00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:06.840
and we're able to see it a brief In a
1007
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:10.599
brief moment, it crosses in and that's how we see it.
1008
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:12.679
Like you're saying, like a flash, like a reverse flashlight,
1009
00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:15.000
like you're seeing the back of the other side of it.
1010
00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:19.760
Which that that's a brilliant way of putting it. So, Jim,
1011
00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:22.320
what what is your what are your final thoughts on that?
1012
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:24.800
Like this whole thing? Did you? I know you have
1013
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:27.280
a scientific viewpoint of this and you've got all the
1014
00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:30.280
data and you but what what do you think? Like
1015
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:34.480
what is your your your basic thought on this? What
1016
00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:35.800
do you gravitate towards?
1017
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:40.960
Well? So, the first of all, one convinced that the
1018
00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:46.440
people that report these incidences are reporting an earnest observation
1019
00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:49.480
of something that's happening to them. So I have enough
1020
00:53:49.599 --> 00:53:52.960
data collected, enough data so people that experience these things
1021
00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:57.159
are actually seeing something that is strange phenomenal. So, you know,
1022
00:53:57.320 --> 00:53:59.440
a lot of there's a lot of scientists say that
1023
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:01.920
all these people are just crazy, they're palallogic, or they're
1024
00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:05.519
just making this stuff up, they're hallucinating, whatever. So there's
1025
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:09.559
enough data now to say that these people are actually
1026
00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:14.639
seeing something that is unexplainable. So that's the biggest hurdle
1027
00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:17.760
that we have to get over and are you know,
1028
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:20.960
in our whole science approach to this thing. So one
1029
00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:24.880
of the interesting things is that the if you go
1030
00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:27.239
back to like the Havana syndrome, people are getting sick
1031
00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:29.599
because of energy weapons and things like that. Well, we
1032
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:32.280
have a lot of experiences of people that experience and
1033
00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:35.039
stuff that are getting the exact same symptoms of them.
1034
00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:39.800
But now the medical institutions are actually getting it medical
1035
00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:44.000
codes to say, okay, when you when you have these
1036
00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:46.199
kind of symptoms, Now we know what to call it,
1037
00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:49.119
so we know how to treat it, so it's being taken.
1038
00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:52.320
In other words, all these these four individuals that are
1039
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:55.119
having experiences that are having like some medical texts because
1040
00:54:55.159 --> 00:54:58.800
of it, the medical community is actually taking notice and
1041
00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:01.719
actually turning around to the point where they're saying, Okay,
1042
00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:04.639
I understand this is this is really happening to you.
1043
00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:06.559
We're not just going to tell you call you crazy.
1044
00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:09.000
We're going to say, okay, we have a code, we
1045
00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:11.960
can assign it to you. The insurance companies understand it now.
1046
00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:15.639
So that is a major lead for these these people.
1047
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:19.440
And there's this several statistics out there that say, you know,
1048
00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:23.840
over a third of the world population have had an
1049
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:27.599
experience at some time in their lives. That's a big number.
1050
00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:31.119
So it has to be taken seriously. And the more
1051
00:55:31.159 --> 00:55:33.400
people that have reported these things, and the better the
1052
00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:36.760
data that we get and the more we sift it
1053
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:40.719
out for the actual earnest people. I think that everybody's
1054
00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:43.440
taking this thing seriously. I mean, the US government's taking
1055
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:46.800
it seriously. We're getting all this disclosure now, they're saying,
1056
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:49.840
look it, it's happening. We get it. Here's the stuff
1057
00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:52.840
we got. You know, what do you got? So you know,
1058
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:55.760
I get calls a lot from government, you know, government
1059
00:55:55.800 --> 00:55:58.599
retired people saying Jim, can you help us with this
1060
00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:00.880
because you know, I understand you're not in the government,
1061
00:56:01.000 --> 00:56:04.039
but we would need to understand what you're saying because
1062
00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:07.760
we don't we have this discovered disclosure stuff, but we
1063
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:10.320
don't have the good stuff and the rest of the population.
1064
00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:15.039
Yeah, so that's interesting. So we're talking about the havana
1065
00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:20.880
uh the syndrome, okay, and you're saying that you've had
1066
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:24.760
you've you've heard of other cases where it's like abduction
1067
00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:28.559
cases or some sort of uh ufo kind of thing
1068
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:30.679
where they had the same symptoms exactly.
1069
00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:33.039
So if you is there anybody that I could share
1070
00:56:33.079 --> 00:56:36.440
my screen? Absolutely, Okay, if I could share my screen,
1071
00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:37.920
I could really kind of get it.
1072
00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:40.719
If you have there should be like a present there.
1073
00:56:41.039 --> 00:56:44.920
It right now and that right. So I'm going to
1074
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:46.360
go to present.
1075
00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:48.480
While you're doing that, I just want to say that
1076
00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:51.599
Havana syndrome to me, the way was presented seemed like
1077
00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:53.800
it was an attack from an other government.
1078
00:56:54.719 --> 00:56:56.960
That's what a thought, right, that's the right thought.
1079
00:56:57.360 --> 00:57:01.360
What if it's not, What if it's actually something I'm.
1080
00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:03.800
Gonna sit I'm sharing now correct, Okay.
1081
00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:04.840
Yeah, me to go ahead. I'm going to add it
1082
00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:05.639
to the stage right now.
1083
00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:14.199
Okay, oh my god, this is a big presentation, but
1084
00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:17.360
I'm just going to focus in on one section of it.
1085
00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:22.679
Look at this, Okay, are.
1086
00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:25.880
You saying this second parallel? So just to give you
1087
00:57:25.880 --> 00:57:32.400
an idea, Havana syndrome is a medical is a medical
1088
00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:37.760
symptoms due to people claiming to have been attacked at
1089
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:41.519
the Havana syndrome in Cuba. All right, a Havana consulate
1090
00:57:41.559 --> 00:57:46.159
in Cuba in twenty fifteen, twenty sixty. Subsequently, after that,
1091
00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:48.599
there is probably going to be three or four other
1092
00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:53.960
places where multiple State Department personnel have claimed to have
1093
00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:57.199
something happened to them while they were in the vicinity
1094
00:57:57.440 --> 00:58:00.960
of the consulate, and it was brought to you know,
1095
00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:03.599
the medical was brought to all these hospitals like the
1096
00:58:03.639 --> 00:58:07.519
University of Pennsylvania all Walter read, all these hospitals looked
1097
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:11.880
at it, categorize their symptoms, and put together a list
1098
00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:15.360
of all the symptoms that these people expressed and how
1099
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:19.079
they actually came about. And this is so Avana syndrome
1100
00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:20.920
now is over three hundred and fifty k's in the
1101
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:24.199
United states that have had a doctor look at it
1102
00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:26.719
and say, yep, this is a VANA syndrome and these
1103
00:58:26.760 --> 00:58:33.719
are the basic basic symptoms that they carry through their ailments.
1104
00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:36.639
So this is what happened if you look at what
1105
00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:41.079
a typical UAP experiencer has when they see it, they
1106
00:58:41.159 --> 00:58:44.719
see up or something the UAP or have an experience
1107
00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:49.320
with them like a counter like that, and have something
1108
00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:53.239
happened to them. It's almost identically to the same thing.
1109
00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:55.119
If you go through and look at they'll both get
1110
00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:57.840
to know youus. They both get vertigo, they both have headaches,
1111
00:58:57.880 --> 00:59:01.519
they both have skin leisers, they both have disassociated episodes.
1112
00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:04.800
They both have all these things and it's like the
1113
00:59:04.840 --> 00:59:07.199
only thing some of the things they don't have is
1114
00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:09.800
like the DEA, which is something that you need a
1115
00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:15.840
very precise MRI scan to understand. But we've taken our people,
1116
00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:19.719
you know, our two order cases of people given given
1117
00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:24.440
give them this very unique MRI scan and found out
1118
00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:28.480
they have these very they have this DIA pattern as well.
1119
00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:34.599
So the corollary between Havna syndrome and general UAP experiencers
1120
00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:38.559
is almost identical. So when you say, okay, well you
1121
00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:40.559
know it's a government attack and stuff like that. It's
1122
00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:42.519
I don't you know, I don't agree with that because
1123
00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:46.559
the statistics say that there are a third of the
1124
00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:50.119
population that are also experiencing its exact same thing. It's
1125
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:53.880
just that US government really doesn't look outside of themselves
1126
00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:56.760
too much. They don't look at the population. That's more
1127
00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:59.079
of a you know, it's more of a thing that
1128
00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:00.679
they would leave to the health partner.
1129
01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:02.800
Or something like that, right, you know, it would be
1130
01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:08.119
fascinating is to the people that suffered the Havana syndrome
1131
01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:16.079
if you could interview them, possibly hypnosis, try to see
1132
01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:18.400
if they've experienced anything, or you can go back. Because
1133
01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:21.119
I'm sure some of these people on the UAP experiences
1134
01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:25.320
have gone through hypnosis and we're able to bring things
1135
01:00:25.400 --> 01:00:29.159
forth that they didn't or it was deeply hidden. I
1136
01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:33.800
wonder if the Havana syndrome patients might relay some of
1137
01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:35.639
the same type of experiences.
1138
01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:38.239
You know, well, we have, we have interviewed some of them.
1139
01:00:38.239 --> 01:00:40.480
In fact, we're working with one right now that has
1140
01:00:40.519 --> 01:00:44.239
gone through this expressed these exact symptoms. Was a government
1141
01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:47.519
employee that just is to their wits end because they
1142
01:00:47.559 --> 01:00:50.400
just can't figure out what's going on. We're doing, you know,
1143
01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:54.199
precise interviews just like this and trying to understand what's
1144
01:00:54.239 --> 01:00:56.440
going on with them. So yet we do have data
1145
01:00:56.559 --> 01:01:00.119
like that. It's very impressive to see that a lot
1146
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:02.199
of the things they claim are what the rest of
1147
01:01:02.199 --> 01:01:06.199
the population is claiming. It's that these poor, unfortunate people,
1148
01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:09.280
you know, because they're in the government. The government is
1149
01:01:09.880 --> 01:01:12.960
has a wherewithal to say, okay, this is the medical
1150
01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:15.000
code for you, so you can get you know, Walter
1151
01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:17.480
Reed and all these other fancy places to get treatment
1152
01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:19.840
and stuff like that. But the rest of the population,
1153
01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:22.400
the rest of us, you know, are sitting here saying,
1154
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:25.920
you know, okay, I understand this. You know, it's similar,
1155
01:01:26.000 --> 01:01:28.519
but we don't have the government, you know, standing behind
1156
01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:31.519
us doing anything. So that's now. I mean, it's getting
1157
01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:33.679
better every single day, So that's amazing.
1158
01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:37.599
That's cool. Yeah. I would mean if we could hypnotize
1159
01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:40.239
one of them, see what's going on there, that would
1160
01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:44.719
be amazing. And you have convinced me in like two
1161
01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:49.119
minutes flat, something that I had in my mind considered
1162
01:01:49.119 --> 01:01:54.079
it was a government attack. Now looking at this, I
1163
01:01:54.079 --> 01:01:55.199
don't think that's what it was.
1164
01:01:55.760 --> 01:01:59.679
Yeah, it looks so it could be. I mean, you
1165
01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:02.559
can't rule it out because you can't really take the
1166
01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:06.320
take the step to say but because it's so widespread,
1167
01:02:06.679 --> 01:02:08.880
if you say, okay, well that's a fantas in people
1168
01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:12.159
that's okay, and they're all state department employees, okay. But
1169
01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:14.559
the rest of the population you can't explain with an
1170
01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:18.000
energy weapon, right. You know, if you look at Skinwalker
1171
01:02:18.079 --> 01:02:19.840
Ranch and blanck Bar Ranch, you're in the middle of
1172
01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:22.719
literally in the middle of nowhere. I mean, there were
1173
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:25.920
hundreds of miles from you know, from anything that might
1174
01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:30.719
be considered a high energy development place. So you can't
1175
01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:33.239
explain all of the third of the population of the
1176
01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:37.039
world having these symptoms with an energy weapon. It just
1177
01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:40.000
doesn't doesn't make sense. It has to be a better
1178
01:02:40.039 --> 01:02:41.320
explanation for that.
1179
01:02:41.599 --> 01:02:44.079
Right, And it would be terrifying if it was like
1180
01:02:44.159 --> 01:02:49.000
another government and the UAP experiences were experiencing a governmental
1181
01:02:49.480 --> 01:02:52.320
Oh man, that would be terrifying. Let's let's hope that's
1182
01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:52.880
not the case.
1183
01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:55.639
Because just to kind of give you an idea of
1184
01:02:55.719 --> 01:02:59.000
what these unfortunate people are are finding, I mean, these
1185
01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:02.039
are some of I hope nobody gets grossed out at this,
1186
01:03:02.199 --> 01:03:05.400
but these are some of the lesions. There's a lot
1187
01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:08.199
of symptoms, but these are some of the physical and
1188
01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:12.360
the physical uh ramifications of having close encounters.
1189
01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:17.320
So what is is that like these lesions, are they radiation?
1190
01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:21.840
Their radiation? Yeah, so they're not they're not anything associated
1191
01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:25.199
with plants or you know, they're not a herpes or
1192
01:03:25.199 --> 01:03:29.599
anything like that. These are all the exact same characteristics
1193
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as a radiation burnt.
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So wow.
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And then if you look at some of the data
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that we collected while this is happening, like for instance,
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like for this, this is a one of our monitoring
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devices that people have. So like we have three hundred
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plus three hundred of these devices throughout the world, and
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we get these people that claim to have something going
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on and we look at their instrumentation, we find out
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01:03:55.800 --> 01:04:00.719
that there's enormous like amagnetic burst or enormous gamma ray
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01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:03.239
burst in their neighborhood or something like that. So this
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01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:05.679
is something These are one of the things that you know,
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01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:08.559
we've been finding that these people have been you know,
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01:04:08.599 --> 01:04:11.760
when they do claim to have these experiences and something
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01:04:11.800 --> 01:04:14.320
happening to them, we also find that they have these
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01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:19.679
incredible sensor of readings that are happening to them at
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the same time.
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Tricks to events and auditory anomalies. Wow, so this is MOUPOS, right,
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01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:27.320
this is what you're talking about.
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01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:30.719
So this is our study is called MOUPOS And basically
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01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:35.199
it's a study where we have two devices that we
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01:04:35.559 --> 01:04:38.119
send to people. Either they have a watch if they
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01:04:38.119 --> 01:04:40.280
want to wear it to bed or out in the world,
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01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:42.639
or they have a device like this that they put
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01:04:42.679 --> 01:04:44.400
on their bedside or they put in the living room
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01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:47.760
or something like that, and his monitors constantly all day
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01:04:47.840 --> 01:04:52.679
looking for these very unique signal changes. So it just
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01:04:52.760 --> 01:04:55.079
reads all day and it's looking at their narratives and
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01:04:55.119 --> 01:04:58.679
matching like say this right here, this blip right here,
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01:04:58.840 --> 01:05:00.760
yea that they can they say, well, what the hell
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01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:03.760
is that? But they put a narrative in at this
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01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:06.880
particular time and it says, okay, when this happened, when
1225
01:05:06.880 --> 01:05:10.320
this big dip happened, and you've got this crazy thing
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01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:14.519
and the gyroscope. They claim to have had like an
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01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:17.559
experience where they saw a or or they might have
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01:05:17.880 --> 01:05:20.800
saw an entity or something like that. So that's what
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01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:25.039
we're looking for, and we're trying to match those things.
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And are they do they match?
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01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:29.800
Well, not all the time, I mean very very rarely
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01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:32.079
do they match. But when they match, that's a that's
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01:05:32.119 --> 01:05:34.719
a Sometimes what we do is we have these anomalies
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01:05:34.760 --> 01:05:37.480
happen where we don't have any indication from them, or
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01:05:37.519 --> 01:05:40.199
we have an indication from them where we have an
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01:05:40.199 --> 01:05:43.559
anomaly happen and in the sensor data. But is only
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01:05:43.599 --> 01:05:45.719
the time that we have them match exactly is we
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01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:49.360
consider those Do we consider that a valid data point? Now,
1239
01:05:49.519 --> 01:05:52.920
not to say that there is sensor data that is
1240
01:05:53.079 --> 01:05:55.960
not being picked up the divide device, you know, very possible,
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01:05:55.960 --> 01:05:58.440
and the fact that very likely because it might happen
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01:05:58.480 --> 01:06:01.199
too fast or the sense or wasn't just happened to
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01:06:01.199 --> 01:06:05.159
be reading at that exact moment. But what we're finding
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01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:07.639
is that we have a lot of correlation between what
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01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:10.119
they say is happening in their heads, you know, and
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01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:13.760
their as their experiences, and what's happening in their environment
1247
01:06:13.800 --> 01:06:16.119
around them by these devices. So we have, you know,
1248
01:06:16.239 --> 01:06:20.400
hundreds and hundreds of these. We might have forty thousand narratives,
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01:06:20.440 --> 01:06:23.280
but we only have maybe three hundred or four hundred
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01:06:23.519 --> 01:06:28.679
instances where it matched up precisely with a sensor event.
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01:06:29.239 --> 01:06:32.199
Wow, okay, and that's what the system.
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01:06:31.880 --> 01:06:33.719
Design is designed to do what.
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01:06:33.760 --> 01:06:34.800
Is mupon's stand for.
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01:06:36.599 --> 01:06:41.880
So it's an older terms. It's a modular unidentified phenomenal
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01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:45.800
alert system. But I don't you know that scares people
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01:06:45.880 --> 01:06:48.079
a little bit. It's not an alert system and that's
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01:06:48.119 --> 01:06:50.000
what it was in the older days when we you know,
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01:06:50.039 --> 01:06:53.239
like five years ago when we started this. It's more
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01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:57.599
of a tracking of environmental signals to correlate with what
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01:06:57.639 --> 01:07:00.480
you're happening. So we kept the name because every knew it,
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01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:03.079
I mean all over the world knows it. We didn't
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01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:05.960
want to change the name, but we change the context
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01:07:06.039 --> 01:07:09.840
of what it actually represents. It's a basically a watchdog
1264
01:07:09.960 --> 01:07:13.840
to help you understand like disclosure. Right now, you know
1265
01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:18.280
the government saying that we have UFOs. We know we
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01:07:18.400 --> 01:07:21.480
have them. Here are some documents that prove it. But
1267
01:07:21.639 --> 01:07:24.199
so people are saying, Okay, I get it, but I
1268
01:07:24.320 --> 01:07:26.239
want to know when they're around in my neighborhood. I
1269
01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:28.880
want to know when they're making me do something or
1270
01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:31.440
they have some influence on my life. I want to
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01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:33.760
know that. So we have a lot of people coming
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01:07:33.800 --> 01:07:35.760
in and saying, you know, I need these because I
1273
01:07:35.840 --> 01:07:39.280
want to understand more about what's going on. And they
1274
01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:41.760
come in then, and we have a sponsor that actually
1275
01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:43.559
pays for this stuff, so all they have to do
1276
01:07:43.679 --> 01:07:46.519
is come in and fill out a survey and basically,
1277
01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:50.159
you know, get one of these devices and start basically
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01:07:50.280 --> 01:07:53.320
coming to grips with what's going on in their lives.
1279
01:07:53.800 --> 01:07:56.039
That's interesting And did you invent this, Jim.
1280
01:07:56.360 --> 01:07:59.199
Well, not so much invented. It was something that evolved
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01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:01.760
back in you know, when I was working with hol
1282
01:08:02.079 --> 01:08:04.519
you know, we knew we were getting people that were
1283
01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:10.039
having medical injuries. When they were having experiences, I said, okay, well,
1284
01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:13.079
if you're having injuries, physical injuries to your body, it
1285
01:08:13.239 --> 01:08:15.639
must be some external signals that are doing this. So
1286
01:08:15.719 --> 01:08:19.000
let's make a device put it around them that was
1287
01:08:19.079 --> 01:08:23.279
actually monitoring constantly so when they do have these injuries,
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01:08:23.319 --> 01:08:25.680
can we detect a signal. And that's how the whole
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01:08:25.680 --> 01:08:28.520
thing started and involved. This was back in two thousand
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01:08:28.520 --> 01:08:32.199
and sixteen, twenty seventeen, and this is ten years later,
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01:08:32.239 --> 01:08:35.479
and this is what it involved evolved to. So we've
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01:08:35.560 --> 01:08:38.760
had these things now for years and the like I said,
1293
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:40.800
we have over three hundred out there in the world
1294
01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:45.600
that are monitoring constantly looking at data and things like that, and.
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01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:48.399
I'm sure there's some at Skinwalker.
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01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:51.560
Yeah, not at Skinwalker, there's some at blind Frog. In fact,
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01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:54.680
I can show you the one at blind Fraud right now.
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01:08:54.880 --> 01:08:59.439
The one at blind Fraud is really very strange. Oh wow, Okay,
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01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:02.399
So I don't know what's going on, but in the
1300
01:09:02.520 --> 01:09:06.079
past few days there's been some really there's nobody there.
1301
01:09:06.399 --> 01:09:09.279
I'm gonna tell you there is nobody there. But the
1302
01:09:09.399 --> 01:09:12.880
fast past few days there's been some really like look
1303
01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:16.000
at this thing. I don't understand this at all. And
1304
01:09:16.119 --> 01:09:17.840
I've been looking at this thing trying to figure out
1305
01:09:17.840 --> 01:09:20.560
what's going on, but it just looks like there's a
1306
01:09:20.640 --> 01:09:23.840
huge spike. Yeah, there's a huge spike right also in
1307
01:09:23.920 --> 01:09:27.039
the magnometer. So the magnometer had a huge spike, Like,
1308
01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:29.720
look at this crazy thing, and I don't understand it.
1309
01:09:31.199 --> 01:09:34.079
So we can look at maybe just if there's anything
1310
01:09:34.199 --> 01:09:40.479
like a magnetic nothing much, uh, little blips. Actually that's
1311
01:09:40.479 --> 01:09:43.119
a pretty big blip. Actually that is that's that's a
1312
01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:47.640
that's a huge Yeah. I don't yeah, I'm not gonna
1313
01:09:47.920 --> 01:09:50.520
I don't want to speculate what it is. But I've
1314
01:09:50.600 --> 01:09:52.880
never seen this at this ranch when there's nobody there
1315
01:09:53.479 --> 01:09:56.560
it's like something is going on. I've never seen this happen.
1316
01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:00.359
And you know, when you told me this come on
1317
01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:02.479
the show, I said, okay, So I brought this up.
1318
01:10:02.600 --> 01:10:04.520
I looked at what the hell is going on in
1319
01:10:04.640 --> 01:10:08.760
one program and I was actually gonna call them, but
1320
01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:12.640
you know, I don't. They're off. They're often there, they
1321
01:10:12.760 --> 01:10:16.840
go back to Texas where there's nobody there, so there's
1322
01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:19.720
nobody to call, like, what the heck is going on
1323
01:10:19.800 --> 01:10:21.800
on the property. So and we don't have a camera
1324
01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:27.039
there unfortunately to find it. But anyway, so everybody's listening
1325
01:10:27.079 --> 01:10:29.439
to this is witnessing something very strange happening there. So
1326
01:10:29.479 --> 01:10:31.119
I'm going to try to get a hold of the
1327
01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:35.399
people that monitored and maybe they left some equipment there
1328
01:10:35.479 --> 01:10:38.439
or something. But if there's nothing going on there and
1329
01:10:38.600 --> 01:10:42.920
this these signals are like this, like run, you know,
1330
01:10:43.039 --> 01:10:43.760
run for the hills.
1331
01:10:44.359 --> 01:10:45.279
Something is happening.
1332
01:10:45.760 --> 01:10:47.560
Something is happening, So I don't know what it is.
1333
01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:49.960
On what level would you say that would be like
1334
01:10:50.119 --> 01:10:52.680
what like were talking in earthquake, We're talking.
1335
01:10:52.680 --> 01:10:54.399
Cell phones would pick it up. It would be a
1336
01:10:54.800 --> 01:10:57.680
so when you're talking on the phone, this magnetic variation.
1337
01:10:58.119 --> 01:11:02.479
So this magnetic variation that would click your your cell phone.
1338
01:11:04.000 --> 01:11:07.880
It might be something flying over, but it's it happens
1339
01:11:08.640 --> 01:11:10.520
and this has happening, been happening all. Look at this
1340
01:11:10.600 --> 01:11:14.840
big spike. Yeah, when these things happen concurrently with a
1341
01:11:15.199 --> 01:11:18.039
strange magn like this is the magnetic field in the
1342
01:11:18.399 --> 01:11:22.960
directions that's and then this is the gyroscope in the
1343
01:11:23.079 --> 01:11:26.720
z direction. So this is something like it's twisting and turning.
1344
01:11:27.199 --> 01:11:30.520
But then you have this big election magnetic spike happening concurrently.
1345
01:11:31.520 --> 01:11:35.000
I would love to call somebody and say, what did
1346
01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:36.680
you get a headache or something like that? You get
1347
01:11:36.680 --> 01:11:39.359
a you know, like a a nosebleed or something like
1348
01:11:39.439 --> 01:11:41.840
that during this period, But there's nobody there unfortunately, or
1349
01:11:41.920 --> 01:11:44.560
maybe there is, I don't know. So this is what
1350
01:11:44.680 --> 01:11:46.319
we look for. So this is the cool stuff we
1351
01:11:46.399 --> 01:11:50.920
look for. We have all over. So we have blind Frog,
1352
01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:54.640
we have Hasseled in Valley and Norway.
1353
01:11:54.760 --> 01:11:55.000
We have.
1354
01:11:59.279 --> 01:12:03.319
Always from crazy stuff coming from them and Hesseled that
1355
01:12:03.359 --> 01:12:06.000
we've got like six devices spread out all over the place.
1356
01:12:06.039 --> 01:12:08.439
We get some really crazy stuff. So when people at
1357
01:12:08.479 --> 01:12:12.560
Thunderstrike Branch we have we have people that's another place.
1358
01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:16.279
We have a bunch of places all over the world,
1359
01:12:16.439 --> 01:12:20.359
and this is actually growing quickly. So when people come
1360
01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:22.319
into the study, they get all these they can go
1361
01:12:22.439 --> 01:12:24.920
look at them, they can do whatever. And then we
1362
01:12:25.000 --> 01:12:27.800
have all the data feeds we have. We have ADSP
1363
01:12:28.359 --> 01:12:31.840
so when people report that they've had an incidence, well,
1364
01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:34.960
the first thing we do is we check ADSB, which
1365
01:12:35.079 --> 01:12:38.479
is the aircraft. Are there any aircraft flying over you
1366
01:12:39.119 --> 01:12:42.039
that does happen? Then we say, you know, maybe it
1367
01:12:42.159 --> 01:12:43.399
was the aircraft.
1368
01:12:43.159 --> 01:12:45.439
Something they could explain it, right, that's what you're looking for.
1369
01:12:45.880 --> 01:12:48.960
So we kind of use these to say, I don't
1370
01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:52.000
think it was that. So we and we do the satellites.
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01:12:52.119 --> 01:12:55.199
It wasn't a satellite that went over, to say, you know,
1372
01:12:55.239 --> 01:12:59.079
it's like something was going over like a a weather
1373
01:12:59.159 --> 01:13:00.920
SATEDLLE or something like that, and it might have hit
1374
01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:02.760
you or something like that. So we have all this
1375
01:13:02.920 --> 01:13:05.760
data that we provide for people that are in the
1376
01:13:05.840 --> 01:13:10.279
study anyway. So this is, like I said, I'm baffled
1377
01:13:10.319 --> 01:13:11.159
by this, so I don't know what.
1378
01:13:11.439 --> 01:13:14.319
Yeah, this is exciting man. And it just happened like.
1379
01:13:14.399 --> 01:13:16.880
An hour ago, like an hour and a half ago.
1380
01:13:17.119 --> 01:13:21.720
So and what earlier today, what do you Yeah, like.
1381
01:13:22.159 --> 01:13:23.840
We we've been recording for over an hour.
1382
01:13:23.800 --> 01:13:26.720
Now, so it's like, yeah, it happened like when I
1383
01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:29.199
when I put my computer on just to check and
1384
01:13:29.239 --> 01:13:31.720
make sure everything was you know, up to dating and
1385
01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:34.439
stuff like that. It happened prior to this, like like
1386
01:13:34.720 --> 01:13:38.760
hours ago, and it just happened again. So it's very strange.
1387
01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:41.079
So how are people you know who are interested in
1388
01:13:41.159 --> 01:13:43.119
getting into the study? How can they get into the study?
1389
01:13:43.199 --> 01:13:46.880
Oh so I'm still sharing, Yeah, I think it's So
1390
01:13:47.039 --> 01:13:49.319
this is a QR code that you can click on
1391
01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:52.359
and you can get it too here. Basically, it's this
1392
01:13:53.439 --> 01:13:56.239
you'll get this thing. It's'll tell you all about MOPOUS.
1393
01:13:56.279 --> 01:13:58.319
It will tell you all about what we did for
1394
01:13:58.560 --> 01:14:02.479
our previous studies, how you can get involved, how to participate.
1395
01:14:02.840 --> 01:14:04.560
You can click on here to find your you know,
1396
01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:07.560
what the devices are, what you know, what the things
1397
01:14:07.600 --> 01:14:10.760
that you you get, and all this other stuff to
1398
01:14:10.840 --> 01:14:15.079
say that we've been we've been we've been uh sponsored
1399
01:14:15.159 --> 01:14:20.079
by a very very nice family actually that's doing all this.
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01:14:20.279 --> 01:14:23.039
So this explains everything and then you get to see
1401
01:14:23.119 --> 01:14:26.279
what the devices are, what all the signals that you monitor.
1402
01:14:26.520 --> 01:14:28.359
This is the one that you've tick on your property
1403
01:14:29.119 --> 01:14:31.479
or in your house, and this is the watch and
1404
01:14:31.560 --> 01:14:34.479
these are all the sensors that you get. And then,
1405
01:14:34.600 --> 01:14:36.520
like I said, here's the link if anybody wants to
1406
01:14:37.039 --> 01:14:40.039
get involved, here's the here's the ur L, or you
1407
01:14:40.079 --> 01:14:43.319
could just click on this and then yeah, basically come
1408
01:14:43.399 --> 01:14:44.359
to the site.
1409
01:14:44.880 --> 01:14:46.279
I'll put that in the Uh.
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01:14:48.000 --> 01:14:50.199
Yeah, definitely have Barbara send that to you if you
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01:14:50.279 --> 01:14:50.520
want to.
1412
01:14:50.720 --> 01:14:52.439
For sure, Yeah, we can do that and I'll put
1413
01:14:52.479 --> 01:14:55.319
that in the show notes and everyone can. And so
1414
01:14:55.840 --> 01:14:59.319
who are you looking for? Like, are you just saying everyone?
1415
01:14:59.439 --> 01:15:03.560
Are you? Are you looking for specific people who have experienced.
1416
01:15:04.840 --> 01:15:08.039
We used to say that we were looking for people
1417
01:15:08.079 --> 01:15:11.960
that were really good experiencers, that were prolific in their explanations.
1418
01:15:12.479 --> 01:15:15.239
But what we're finding is that we don't want just
1419
01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:18.079
the cream of the crowd. We want everybody because the
1420
01:15:18.199 --> 01:15:20.560
fact of the matter is is that you need statistics
1421
01:15:20.600 --> 01:15:24.479
from everybody to get statistics about everybody. In other words,
1422
01:15:24.520 --> 01:15:26.600
you can't just have a select group of people that
1423
01:15:26.720 --> 01:15:29.960
you're investigating and try to explain things for the rest
1424
01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:32.359
of the third of the population of the world. You
1425
01:15:32.560 --> 01:15:35.000
need the rest of the people that all the people
1426
01:15:35.119 --> 01:15:38.039
that are giving their narratives to really understand what's going on,
1427
01:15:38.600 --> 01:15:41.600
because it's happening to everybody. And to say that, well,
1428
01:15:42.239 --> 01:15:46.399
only you know, just Havana Center people had one phenomena
1429
01:15:46.439 --> 01:15:48.520
happening to them and the rest of the people are
1430
01:15:48.520 --> 01:15:50.880
having another phenomena happened to them. I don't buy that.
1431
01:15:51.079 --> 01:15:53.560
I think, you know, you have to go in with
1432
01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:57.840
the understanding that it's probably one phenomena expressing itself differently
1433
01:15:57.920 --> 01:15:58.600
to different people.
1434
01:15:59.159 --> 01:16:01.680
For sure. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. It
1435
01:16:01.720 --> 01:16:04.039
would be hard to weed out those who are looking
1436
01:16:04.079 --> 01:16:08.039
for attention, I would assume, but you have the data
1437
01:16:08.199 --> 01:16:10.560
that would explain all that stuff, I would I guess yeah,
1438
01:16:10.600 --> 01:16:12.880
they would tell you, Okay, well this is not really
1439
01:16:13.039 --> 01:16:15.479
there's nothing really going on. But yeah, that's I think
1440
01:16:15.520 --> 01:16:19.039
that's fascinating. And what do you think? What is your
1441
01:16:19.680 --> 01:16:22.479
hope for the output of this study?
1442
01:16:23.359 --> 01:16:26.920
So the biggest hope is to gather enough data and
1443
01:16:27.520 --> 01:16:31.680
just to let you know, we're working with Rice University. Yeah,
1444
01:16:32.039 --> 01:16:35.279
impossible and all those So what we want to do
1445
01:16:35.439 --> 01:16:37.239
is we want to gather this data in a very
1446
01:16:37.279 --> 01:16:42.000
scientific manner, very you know, with good scientific methods, and
1447
01:16:43.039 --> 01:16:45.600
bring it and remove all of the what they call
1448
01:16:45.720 --> 01:16:48.000
PII which is the personal stuff and all this stuff.
1449
01:16:48.279 --> 01:16:51.800
Give it to other scientists in the population that want
1450
01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:53.560
to investigate this, because I'm going to tell you this
1451
01:16:54.079 --> 01:16:56.880
truth is that I'm not going to solve this problem myself.
1452
01:16:57.800 --> 01:17:01.039
No individual is going to solve this problem themselves. It
1453
01:17:01.159 --> 01:17:03.680
has to take the community of everybody. So if we
1454
01:17:04.279 --> 01:17:06.560
get it all this data together, we bring it out
1455
01:17:06.600 --> 01:17:09.960
to people and we get real scientists involved in this
1456
01:17:10.159 --> 01:17:12.079
trying to understand this thing, then we're going to start
1457
01:17:12.079 --> 01:17:15.039
getting answers. But we need the buy in from the
1458
01:17:15.119 --> 01:17:18.600
scientific community to say, Okay, let's really take this seriously.
1459
01:17:18.720 --> 01:17:21.600
The first step to do that is to go work
1460
01:17:21.640 --> 01:17:25.760
with Rice University and really also working with Harvard University
1461
01:17:26.199 --> 01:17:28.319
to actually get the interviews and things like that. So
1462
01:17:28.880 --> 01:17:31.359
that's when we're going to start being taken seriously that
1463
01:17:31.960 --> 01:17:34.680
you experiences out there that represent one third of the
1464
01:17:34.760 --> 01:17:38.279
population are real people that are having these issues. And
1465
01:17:39.560 --> 01:17:42.479
if you get the scientists in the medical field behind you,
1466
01:17:43.000 --> 01:17:45.239
we're going to start understanding this and being able to
1467
01:17:45.319 --> 01:17:48.680
help you guys, get through your daily lives without actually
1468
01:17:48.840 --> 01:17:51.720
having to worry about something sinister hopping to you.
1469
01:17:51.960 --> 01:17:56.079
Or So I have a guy that I interviewed recently.
1470
01:17:56.680 --> 01:17:59.199
His name's Rafael Lugo. He goes by Skitz and Plka.
1471
01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:04.760
He talked about his he's had lifetime experiences since he
1472
01:18:04.880 --> 01:18:07.560
was a little boy. He still has him now. He
1473
01:18:08.079 --> 01:18:11.880
when I interviewed him, you know, because I like to
1474
01:18:12.359 --> 01:18:14.479
take all the you know what people tell me and
1475
01:18:14.520 --> 01:18:16.600
try to come up with my own. You know, is
1476
01:18:16.640 --> 01:18:18.000
this guy telling me the truth? Of this guy not
1477
01:18:18.039 --> 01:18:22.199
telling me the truth? But Raphael, I fully believe him.
1478
01:18:22.840 --> 01:18:25.520
I fully believe him, not only because he you know,
1479
01:18:25.600 --> 01:18:29.399
what he told me in the experiences. He's actually you know,
1480
01:18:29.600 --> 01:18:33.079
he's been interviewed by Muffan, he's been he has a
1481
01:18:33.199 --> 01:18:36.399
documentary out. There have been people who approached him and,
1482
01:18:37.479 --> 01:18:42.199
you know, basically legitimize his experiences. His mother had experiences
1483
01:18:42.239 --> 01:18:44.520
when she was young. And I don't know if you've
1484
01:18:44.520 --> 01:18:46.840
heard of this, but a lot of people who have
1485
01:18:47.039 --> 01:18:52.119
lifetime experiences, they actually their their parents or mother or father. Yeah,
1486
01:18:52.199 --> 01:18:53.840
we have the same kind of thing.
1487
01:18:54.399 --> 01:18:56.760
Yeah, that's in our survey. So we ask a survey
1488
01:18:56.840 --> 01:18:58.840
of everybody that comes in and a lot of times
1489
01:18:58.880 --> 01:19:02.399
they say, yeah, they're my father or my grandmother. It
1490
01:19:02.560 --> 01:19:05.159
seems to skip it generation by the way. But it's
1491
01:19:05.880 --> 01:19:09.399
they claimed, you know, they say that there they're you know,
1492
01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:11.920
somebody in their past, in their family have had this.
1493
01:19:12.079 --> 01:19:14.680
So it seems to be a genetic thing. The people
1494
01:19:14.720 --> 01:19:16.600
that are really good experience ors seem to have this
1495
01:19:16.760 --> 01:19:18.319
genetically passed through their family.
1496
01:19:19.039 --> 01:19:21.479
Man, that is something I think I'm gonna I'm gonna
1497
01:19:21.560 --> 01:19:24.960
let him know. He's a great guy and this. He
1498
01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:27.119
would be a good, I think, a good candidate to
1499
01:19:27.239 --> 01:19:30.479
be in this. So I'll definitely tell about this, right, Yeah,
1500
01:19:30.479 --> 01:19:32.720
that'd be great. So Jim, you know, I could ask
1501
01:19:32.800 --> 01:19:40.880
you remove science, engineering, whatever, just remove it all. Do
1502
01:19:41.039 --> 01:19:45.640
you believe that there are aliens? Do you believe that
1503
01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:49.399
there are paranormal their spirits, ghosts, Do you believe that
1504
01:19:49.479 --> 01:19:50.079
they exist?
1505
01:19:51.600 --> 01:19:54.880
Yeah? I think I think there's an evidence that shows that. Statistically,
1506
01:19:56.199 --> 01:19:58.520
there is so much evidence that has been brought forward
1507
01:19:58.560 --> 01:20:00.399
by people. It might not all be true, but there's
1508
01:20:00.560 --> 01:20:03.399
enough of it true to say that, yeah, this is real.
1509
01:20:03.800 --> 01:20:06.000
I mean, this is something happening to these people. They're
1510
01:20:06.079 --> 01:20:09.399
having medical effects, they're having a physical effects. There might
1511
01:20:09.520 --> 01:20:12.119
not be a Bigfoot, but there might be a representation,
1512
01:20:12.479 --> 01:20:15.800
or there might be something that represents itself as a bigfoot.
1513
01:20:15.920 --> 01:20:19.279
You know, who knows. You can't discount that if people
1514
01:20:19.359 --> 01:20:22.079
are seeing this and they're actually having evidence, you know,
1515
01:20:22.239 --> 01:20:24.760
it's bad form for a scientist to say, well, you're
1516
01:20:24.840 --> 01:20:27.279
you're crazy. You it doesn't look you know, you're just
1517
01:20:27.319 --> 01:20:29.920
seeing something that's not true. You have to look at
1518
01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:34.399
it objectively and say, Okay, is there some underneath underlying
1519
01:20:34.640 --> 01:20:37.880
thing that is true about that statement that you know,
1520
01:20:38.119 --> 01:20:41.439
as a reflection of what's happening in nature that we
1521
01:20:41.600 --> 01:20:42.960
just don't understand that thing.
1522
01:20:43.600 --> 01:20:46.119
Yeah, And it's interesting. I like the way you put
1523
01:20:46.159 --> 01:20:49.680
it because I always say, if you take all of
1524
01:20:49.800 --> 01:20:55.439
the UFO or UAP experiencers and experiences, yeah, you could
1525
01:20:55.479 --> 01:20:58.560
take a large section of those and say, Okay, that
1526
01:20:58.680 --> 01:21:01.199
didn't happen, right, you can take you can go eighty
1527
01:21:01.239 --> 01:21:04.079
percent and say all of these I don't believe.
1528
01:21:04.720 --> 01:21:07.079
Yeah, it was a satellite, it was airplane, it was
1529
01:21:07.119 --> 01:21:08.760
a drum. You do.
1530
01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:11.239
You can explain it away, but there's got to be
1531
01:21:11.880 --> 01:21:14.359
and I'm not saying it's twenty percent, whatever percentage it is,
1532
01:21:14.600 --> 01:21:16.560
there's got to be some of it that actually happened.
1533
01:21:16.600 --> 01:21:18.880
It's real. It's got to be something to this.
1534
01:21:20.039 --> 01:21:22.199
So I think that whether you put, you put, it
1535
01:21:22.359 --> 01:21:26.479
is perfect, you know, So it's more than zero. Yeah, right,
1536
01:21:26.800 --> 01:21:29.640
And that's all we need in science is to have
1537
01:21:29.800 --> 01:21:31.880
more than zero and then we can base some statistics
1538
01:21:31.960 --> 01:21:35.680
off of that. It might not represent everybody's interpretation of narratives,
1539
01:21:35.720 --> 01:21:38.960
but it represents enough to say that we are That's
1540
01:21:38.960 --> 01:21:41.640
why I'm convinced that there's something out there, because I've
1541
01:21:41.640 --> 01:21:43.199
seen the numbers and i see the stats.
1542
01:21:44.279 --> 01:21:46.960
So what do you think about the recent disclosures that
1543
01:21:47.039 --> 01:21:49.760
have been coming out, the videos, the statements and all that.
1544
01:21:50.119 --> 01:21:51.840
What have you looked at any of it? I?
1545
01:21:52.000 --> 01:21:53.720
Yeah, looked at some of it. I'm working with some
1546
01:21:53.800 --> 01:21:57.720
people right now that are actually using it to build
1547
01:21:57.880 --> 01:22:00.199
these big AI models and things like that, which is
1548
01:22:00.359 --> 01:22:03.399
really the perfect way to analyzing. There's so much data
1549
01:22:04.319 --> 01:22:08.760
and it's great. But my personal opinion is that I
1550
01:22:08.920 --> 01:22:12.399
think the community at large has better data than they have,
1551
01:22:13.319 --> 01:22:15.439
and that's why they're coming to you know, people like
1552
01:22:15.560 --> 01:22:19.399
me asking us questions where you know, because I've been
1553
01:22:19.479 --> 01:22:22.079
interviewed by people that were on the Centin Armed Service
1554
01:22:22.119 --> 01:22:25.279
Committee and and people like that that had been doing
1555
01:22:25.319 --> 01:22:29.000
this for years, protecting the population of the United States.
1556
01:22:29.520 --> 01:22:32.079
But they're doing it in such a way as more
1557
01:22:32.239 --> 01:22:33.880
of a you know, the way they do it. But
1558
01:22:34.319 --> 01:22:36.119
you know, the data that we collect is from the
1559
01:22:36.199 --> 01:22:40.079
population at large, and we have better information than they do.
1560
01:22:40.680 --> 01:22:43.760
So my interpretation is and nothing. You know, I don't
1561
01:22:43.760 --> 01:22:46.439
want to downplay the government. I don't think the government
1562
01:22:46.600 --> 01:22:48.600
is going to be able to solve the problem. I
1563
01:22:48.680 --> 01:22:52.560
think we're the community to experience. Their community is going
1564
01:22:52.600 --> 01:22:53.600
to be able to solve the problem.
1565
01:22:53.800 --> 01:22:57.000
Absolutely, man. I like that because you know, when has
1566
01:22:57.079 --> 01:23:00.600
the government ever solved to go there.
1567
01:23:02.720 --> 01:23:04.880
That's not there? Yeah, that's not their jobs, it's all
1568
01:23:05.479 --> 01:23:09.319
they're they're looking to protect us. When we show them
1569
01:23:09.359 --> 01:23:13.560
there's there's a you know, a there's a potential danger
1570
01:23:13.640 --> 01:23:15.560
to the population, that's when they're going to wake up
1571
01:23:15.600 --> 01:23:17.319
and say, okay, now I get it, like what they
1572
01:23:17.399 --> 01:23:19.520
did with Havana syndrome.
1573
01:23:19.880 --> 01:23:20.000
Right.
1574
01:23:20.239 --> 01:23:23.279
We have to tell them because it's kind of funny
1575
01:23:23.279 --> 01:23:27.000
because they call the government calls us for our opinion.
1576
01:23:27.079 --> 01:23:29.760
They don't give us. They never tell us anything. You know,
1577
01:23:29.840 --> 01:23:31.960
it's always can you tell me what's going on? That's
1578
01:23:32.039 --> 01:23:33.079
basically what they ask.
1579
01:23:33.560 --> 01:23:35.600
And when you give your opinion, what do they what
1580
01:23:35.680 --> 01:23:37.119
do they do with it? They just don't know.
1581
01:23:37.520 --> 01:23:39.319
We don't know. You never know what they do with it.
1582
01:23:39.840 --> 01:23:42.600
That's the thing. You know, they're you know, they're they
1583
01:23:42.720 --> 01:23:45.079
do whatever they want. So they call up like hal Putov,
1584
01:23:45.159 --> 01:23:49.399
who is probably briefed you know, these committees more than
1585
01:23:49.399 --> 01:23:52.039
anybody else, and they'll ask his opinion on something, and
1586
01:23:52.119 --> 01:23:53.960
they'll give the opinion like the tic TACs and things
1587
01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:55.800
like that. Then they go off and do what they
1588
01:23:56.000 --> 01:23:56.760
you know, whatever they do.
1589
01:23:58.520 --> 01:24:03.079
Do you think that they how can I put this?
1590
01:24:03.279 --> 01:24:07.720
I feel like, are they testing us to be able
1591
01:24:07.840 --> 01:24:10.520
to tell if we will not freak out like as
1592
01:24:10.600 --> 01:24:13.520
a society if they come out and show a video
1593
01:24:14.319 --> 01:24:17.279
of an interview with an actual extraterrestrial.
1594
01:24:17.680 --> 01:24:23.159
Could be Yeah, I think that they I don't know,
1595
01:24:23.359 --> 01:24:27.000
I don't know. I think that there is dumbfounded. They're
1596
01:24:27.039 --> 01:24:28.159
more dumb founded than we are.
1597
01:24:28.279 --> 01:24:29.000
That's my opinion.
1598
01:24:29.399 --> 01:24:32.920
Okay, unless there's elements of the of the government that
1599
01:24:33.079 --> 01:24:36.439
are so deep that, you know, even these people asking
1600
01:24:36.520 --> 01:24:37.960
the question, because you can tell them by the way
1601
01:24:37.960 --> 01:24:40.479
they ask the questions that they don't know as much
1602
01:24:40.520 --> 01:24:40.880
as we do.
1603
01:24:41.680 --> 01:24:45.319
Okay, you know that's interesting. That's interesting, unless they're very
1604
01:24:45.359 --> 01:24:46.119
good at hiding that.
1605
01:24:46.960 --> 01:24:50.359
Oh they're very good at hiding to tell them. You know,
1606
01:24:50.439 --> 01:24:52.640
when you tell them new information, they light up and say, oh,
1607
01:24:52.720 --> 01:24:55.640
really that's interesting, Like wait a minute, we didn't know that.
1608
01:24:57.640 --> 01:24:59.000
It's like, really, wait a minute.
1609
01:24:59.600 --> 01:25:02.279
What do you think do you think that society as
1610
01:25:02.279 --> 01:25:04.039
a whole is ready for this? Do you think we're
1611
01:25:04.079 --> 01:25:05.800
ready to hear that we're not alone?
1612
01:25:06.359 --> 01:25:09.279
I think with social media out there and all of
1613
01:25:09.439 --> 01:25:12.319
the things with Spielberg is doing and all this other stuff,
1614
01:25:12.359 --> 01:25:16.520
I think that we're ready to know. But I don't
1615
01:25:16.760 --> 01:25:21.640
know if we're gonna might not be as dramatic as
1616
01:25:21.720 --> 01:25:25.000
we think. I think the interactions with something is going
1617
01:25:25.079 --> 01:25:29.880
to be maybe not as not as big as people think.
1618
01:25:30.119 --> 01:25:32.000
I think it might be a little bit less thing,
1619
01:25:32.159 --> 01:25:35.079
like you know, we've got a signal from somebody, or
1620
01:25:35.399 --> 01:25:38.199
you know, we have some biological material that is definitely
1621
01:25:38.239 --> 01:25:41.600
not from here, or it might not be I don't know.
1622
01:25:41.800 --> 01:25:42.199
I don't know.
1623
01:25:43.479 --> 01:25:48.359
It's just like John Edmonds when he was able to
1624
01:25:49.479 --> 01:25:55.600
retrieve some of the grays, like he stabbed it with
1625
01:25:55.760 --> 01:25:59.159
a sword, right, and then he says it that they disappeared,
1626
01:25:59.199 --> 01:26:01.880
but there his residue on his sword, and he took
1627
01:26:02.000 --> 01:26:05.159
that to a friend of his who's like a scientist.
1628
01:26:05.199 --> 01:26:08.119
They ran tests on it, and when they ran those tests,
1629
01:26:08.159 --> 01:26:12.399
they found that this was not anything found on Earth.
1630
01:26:13.000 --> 01:26:16.520
It's not an elemental analysis. But yeah, it's like, wait
1631
01:26:16.560 --> 01:26:19.439
a minute, there's too many ions in here, or there's
1632
01:26:19.520 --> 01:26:22.000
too many you know something in here. It doesn't it's
1633
01:26:22.039 --> 01:26:22.760
not terrestrial.
1634
01:26:22.840 --> 01:26:26.640
It's'xta terrestrial, right, And so yeah, I think so I
1635
01:26:27.199 --> 01:26:29.439
do believe that we're ready to hear this. I think
1636
01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:33.520
if you saw Disclosure Day, I don't know if you
1637
01:26:33.520 --> 01:26:37.119
saw the movie yet, but not yet. No, Okay, if
1638
01:26:37.159 --> 01:26:39.359
you ever see it, that's how I want it to go.
1639
01:26:39.680 --> 01:26:42.159
That's what I want to see. I'm ready. I think
1640
01:26:42.199 --> 01:26:45.239
I'm ready. I know you're certainly ready for that information.
1641
01:26:46.359 --> 01:26:49.960
I personally believe they have. There's some videos and stuff
1642
01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:52.920
that they have that they're they're piecemealing this out. They're
1643
01:26:52.960 --> 01:26:54.640
trying to get us ready for it, and then when
1644
01:26:54.720 --> 01:26:58.880
we eventually, if if they deem necessary, we'll show us
1645
01:26:59.600 --> 01:27:04.640
some stuff that pretty much removes the question and answers
1646
01:27:04.680 --> 01:27:06.439
it for once and for all. And that's what I'm
1647
01:27:06.479 --> 01:27:10.439
hoping for. But doctor Jim Sigala, thank you so much
1648
01:27:10.479 --> 01:27:12.920
for joining me, Sir. I just want to say really quick.
1649
01:27:14.760 --> 01:27:18.479
Ronnie LeBlanc. His book is called Intern Dimensional. He's going
1650
01:27:18.600 --> 01:27:24.359
to release a kickstarter for a documentary based on his book,
1651
01:27:25.000 --> 01:27:27.960
and Jim is going to be if if I'm not mistaken,
1652
01:27:28.000 --> 01:27:29.159
it's gonna be working with him on that.
1653
01:27:29.399 --> 01:27:31.760
Absolutely. I can't wait. It's gonna be great.
1654
01:27:31.800 --> 01:27:33.600
So, yes, the kickstart's gonna be coming out. I will
1655
01:27:33.640 --> 01:27:35.560
be sharing it out on both of my accounts, all
1656
01:27:35.600 --> 01:27:39.079
my accounts actually. And so next, what we have is
1657
01:27:39.319 --> 01:27:45.840
these six questions doctor Jim style. Okay, you ready, sir? Yep?
1658
01:27:47.640 --> 01:27:52.680
Question number one, Oh, I actually asked you that question
1659
01:27:52.920 --> 01:27:55.159
just a second ago. Let me ask you this. What
1660
01:27:55.520 --> 01:27:59.840
job did you do before you were you became an
1661
01:28:00.039 --> 01:28:00.840
electrical engineer?
1662
01:28:00.880 --> 01:28:05.079
What were you doing before before the before that? Yeah,
1663
01:28:06.720 --> 01:28:07.479
I mean I was in.
1664
01:28:07.520 --> 01:28:10.760
School, So you did did you do anything before you
1665
01:28:10.840 --> 01:28:11.359
were in school?
1666
01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:15.000
I mean just like before I went to school, like
1667
01:28:15.399 --> 01:28:18.720
when I was before college. I don't remember. That's a
1668
01:28:19.039 --> 01:28:19.439
time ago.
1669
01:28:19.720 --> 01:28:22.840
Yeah. So what was your first job once you got
1670
01:28:22.880 --> 01:28:23.319
your degree?
1671
01:28:23.720 --> 01:28:26.279
Oh? I worked for the Navy. I had did three
1672
01:28:26.359 --> 01:28:31.000
years for the Navy working on submarines, basically doing uh
1673
01:28:31.239 --> 01:28:33.439
engineering for submarine launching systems.
1674
01:28:33.880 --> 01:28:35.720
Oh, that's awesome and did that.
1675
01:28:35.800 --> 01:28:37.239
For three years. It says, I don't want to work
1676
01:28:37.239 --> 01:28:41.920
for the government anymore. This is horrible, hell out private. Yeah,
1677
01:28:41.960 --> 01:28:45.760
I went to private industry. So but it was interesting experience.
1678
01:28:45.880 --> 01:28:50.239
Very cool. And you were there as a civilian erect.
1679
01:28:50.199 --> 01:28:55.640
Yes, civilian engineer, right, yeah, just designing uh different launching
1680
01:28:55.720 --> 01:28:56.880
systems for torpedoes.
1681
01:28:57.640 --> 01:28:57.880
Wow.
1682
01:28:58.439 --> 01:28:59.920
I got to go on a submarine, which is kind
1683
01:28:59.920 --> 01:29:00.199
of goal.
1684
01:29:00.600 --> 01:29:01.159
That's awesome.
1685
01:29:01.479 --> 01:29:01.720
Yep.
1686
01:29:02.840 --> 01:29:05.600
Question number two you get to ask the creator one
1687
01:29:05.680 --> 01:29:07.119
question about anything. What would it be?
1688
01:29:08.479 --> 01:29:08.600
Uh?
1689
01:29:10.760 --> 01:29:15.439
Yeah, basically, how did we come about? M I mean,
1690
01:29:15.800 --> 01:29:20.640
I mean, we're so freaking complicated, not just us, I
1691
01:29:20.680 --> 01:29:26.039
mean dolphins and crows and all of these super Yeah,
1692
01:29:26.239 --> 01:29:28.279
I mean, how the heck did we come about? And
1693
01:29:28.880 --> 01:29:31.600
did we Are we cooking long enough? I mean, is
1694
01:29:31.600 --> 01:29:34.079
it billion years or was it one hundred million years
1695
01:29:34.159 --> 01:29:39.199
long enough to cook to get this intelligent? I don't know.
1696
01:29:39.720 --> 01:29:42.640
That's a good question. That's a good question. I was
1697
01:29:42.720 --> 01:29:45.159
gonna I was dying to ask you this when we
1698
01:29:45.199 --> 01:29:50.439
were talking earlier about like the diseases that people were
1699
01:29:50.479 --> 01:29:53.600
getting from skin Walker. What is your thoughts on the
1700
01:29:55.000 --> 01:29:58.359
the possibility And of course we can't explain this that
1701
01:29:58.520 --> 01:30:01.359
we might not be from Earth. We might have been
1702
01:30:01.520 --> 01:30:02.680
brought to Earth.
1703
01:30:04.600 --> 01:30:10.640
Well, we pick up biological particles that are extraterrestrial, no
1704
01:30:10.880 --> 01:30:13.600
question about it. We get that all the time. So
1705
01:30:14.239 --> 01:30:18.239
how we got here we could have. So we get
1706
01:30:18.279 --> 01:30:21.079
biological material all the time right in meteors and ice
1707
01:30:21.359 --> 01:30:25.960
cubes and things like that, so that our you know,
1708
01:30:26.079 --> 01:30:28.920
our essence, you know, how we got here the whole
1709
01:30:29.000 --> 01:30:31.640
way that we do. DNA might have come from something.
1710
01:30:31.520 --> 01:30:34.039
Some other planets, the other place, right, Yeah, I mean so.
1711
01:30:34.239 --> 01:30:39.279
Our our forefile one hundred light years away. We don't know.
1712
01:30:40.800 --> 01:30:43.439
You know, we're very complicated, you know, ourselves are very
1713
01:30:43.560 --> 01:30:44.319
very complicated.
1714
01:30:44.760 --> 01:30:49.279
Yeah, it's it's very interesting. I've heard a lot of
1715
01:30:49.319 --> 01:30:52.479
people talk about maybe we came from another maybe maybe
1716
01:30:52.479 --> 01:30:56.239
an alien race brought is here and do some you know,
1717
01:30:56.600 --> 01:30:59.399
DNA work and you know, created us. I don't know,
1718
01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:01.800
but that's what I've heard about that a lot, and
1719
01:31:01.840 --> 01:31:04.600
it's I find it very interesting. Question number three, sir,
1720
01:31:05.600 --> 01:31:06.560
how do you want to die.
1721
01:31:08.079 --> 01:31:11.960
So naturally? So I actually talked about to somebody about this.
1722
01:31:12.520 --> 01:31:16.119
They they thought dying was not a bad thing. It
1723
01:31:16.239 --> 01:31:18.680
was a natural thing that you transfer to the next
1724
01:31:19.359 --> 01:31:23.000
your next thing, and it's like, yeah, it is naturally. Uh,
1725
01:31:24.159 --> 01:31:27.479
it's like I want to go peacefully, family around and
1726
01:31:27.479 --> 01:31:31.439
stuff like that. Lit's okay, I'm good. I did my thing.
1727
01:31:32.439 --> 01:31:35.279
Passing the you know, passing the patent to somebody else,
1728
01:31:35.920 --> 01:31:36.359
that's great.
1729
01:31:37.159 --> 01:31:39.119
Do you think there's a reincarnation type thing?
1730
01:31:40.520 --> 01:31:45.520
So being a physicist, you can't destroy or create energy.
1731
01:31:46.479 --> 01:31:50.720
Knowledge is energy are stuff that's in our brain has
1732
01:31:50.800 --> 01:31:53.279
to go someplace. And if we are on a global
1733
01:31:53.359 --> 01:31:56.720
consciousness and our you know, what we have in our
1734
01:31:56.760 --> 01:32:00.520
brain really is hooked up, then no, you don't die
1735
01:32:01.079 --> 01:32:03.359
wor someplace else. I don't know where we're going to go.
1736
01:32:03.560 --> 01:32:05.680
I don't, you know, I don't. I would love to
1737
01:32:05.760 --> 01:32:08.199
have somebody come back and say, oh, dude, by the way,
1738
01:32:09.279 --> 01:32:11.520
you travel a hundred light years over here and you
1739
01:32:11.600 --> 01:32:14.520
hang out over here for a while. That would be cool.
1740
01:32:15.000 --> 01:32:18.920
But you know, I kind of think this thinking, this
1741
01:32:19.079 --> 01:32:22.960
whole global consciousness thing is starting to appeal to my
1742
01:32:23.720 --> 01:32:26.640
you know senses. Yeah, so we might not die.
1743
01:32:27.760 --> 01:32:30.640
There's a book that I've read. It kind of changed
1744
01:32:30.720 --> 01:32:34.880
my whole thinking on this. The gentleman being ready to
1745
01:32:34.920 --> 01:32:39.319
think Michael, it's it's journey of souls okay. Michael Newton,
1746
01:32:39.399 --> 01:32:46.760
doctor Michael Newton. He was a hypnotherapist who stumbled upon uh.
1747
01:32:47.960 --> 01:32:50.079
He was trying to help someone quit smoking or something
1748
01:32:50.119 --> 01:32:52.560
like that, and he was asking questions and they actually
1749
01:32:52.600 --> 01:32:55.359
went to what they call the source, which is like
1750
01:32:55.439 --> 01:32:59.079
where the souls go and then beyond like before, and
1751
01:32:59.319 --> 01:33:01.239
he was talking her. He was shocked by this. She's
1752
01:33:01.319 --> 01:33:04.520
like what she's talking about her former life. And so
1753
01:33:05.560 --> 01:33:08.920
the approach he takes in the book basically is he's
1754
01:33:09.840 --> 01:33:13.119
he's not giving an opinion, he's just writing the conversation.
1755
01:33:13.920 --> 01:33:16.199
This is what I said, this is what she said.
1756
01:33:16.640 --> 01:33:19.680
And I really appreciate that because if you're removing the
1757
01:33:19.760 --> 01:33:21.600
emotion and the thought and this is why I think
1758
01:33:21.720 --> 01:33:24.279
is happening, and it's all like a scientist, you're just
1759
01:33:24.680 --> 01:33:27.920
you're looking at the data. And that helped me a lot.
1760
01:33:28.279 --> 01:33:30.000
That is a that was a very good book and
1761
01:33:30.119 --> 01:33:32.800
I actually I think there may be something to it.
1762
01:33:33.880 --> 01:33:36.239
The second part to question number three, sir, how do
1763
01:33:36.279 --> 01:33:37.000
you think you'll die?
1764
01:33:40.000 --> 01:33:43.960
Well, yeah, when I lived in New Jersey, I had
1765
01:33:43.960 --> 01:33:48.119
a feeling just broken of car. No, I think it'd
1766
01:33:48.159 --> 01:33:49.680
be naturally if my family doesn't have a lot of
1767
01:33:49.720 --> 01:33:51.439
cancer in it, So I think I'm going to My
1768
01:33:51.520 --> 01:33:54.199
parents are very you know, they're still in their deep
1769
01:33:54.279 --> 01:33:57.159
into their nineties and there's still going strong.
1770
01:33:57.439 --> 01:34:01.720
So probably like that great genes man, that's awesome.
1771
01:34:01.920 --> 01:34:05.000
I hope hopefully you never know though, I mean, anything
1772
01:34:05.039 --> 01:34:05.479
could happen.
1773
01:34:07.399 --> 01:34:11.479
Very true. Number four, what's the strangest paranormal experience you've
1774
01:34:11.479 --> 01:34:15.439
ever ever had or what's the strangest moment of your life?
1775
01:34:16.439 --> 01:34:18.479
When I was on Blinck Progremange, I stood in front
1776
01:34:18.520 --> 01:34:23.319
of that pond and every single sound in the environment
1777
01:34:23.520 --> 01:34:29.680
stopped for about five minutes completely, the birds, the chirping
1778
01:34:29.880 --> 01:34:33.600
of the crickets, everything stopped, and I couldn't explain it.
1779
01:34:33.680 --> 01:34:36.119
I'm looking around and I could talk to somebody, and
1780
01:34:36.279 --> 01:34:37.920
TONI was standing next to me, saying, what happened to
1781
01:34:37.960 --> 01:34:40.840
all the sun? And no, I mean this is like,
1782
01:34:41.119 --> 01:34:44.560
wait a minute, I don't get this. So that is
1783
01:34:44.640 --> 01:34:46.439
the strangest thing, and I don't have an answer to it.
1784
01:34:46.479 --> 01:34:46.960
To this day.
1785
01:34:47.119 --> 01:34:50.119
It just baffles me how I could experience something like
1786
01:34:50.239 --> 01:34:53.399
that as a scientist and not be able to say
1787
01:34:53.920 --> 01:34:55.640
it was kind of actually, it was kind of scary.
1788
01:34:55.800 --> 01:34:58.159
To say the truth, I would say those things that
1789
01:34:58.560 --> 01:34:59.880
you know, the hairs in the back of your neck,
1790
01:35:00.359 --> 01:35:03.079
they definitely went up. It's like, what the hell is this?
1791
01:35:03.560 --> 01:35:05.840
It's funny. I've heard and I what I do on
1792
01:35:05.960 --> 01:35:09.239
down the rabbit holes. I share videos that I find
1793
01:35:09.399 --> 01:35:12.000
interesting that I think are legitimate, are close to because
1794
01:35:12.000 --> 01:35:15.079
I can never say it's real. But I've heard. I've
1795
01:35:15.119 --> 01:35:17.199
seen a video where guy's in the forest, he's riding
1796
01:35:17.239 --> 01:35:19.800
his bike and there's noises and noises or whatever, and
1797
01:35:19.840 --> 01:35:22.319
then all of a sudden, it's completely silent. He's recording
1798
01:35:22.399 --> 01:35:22.920
this whole thing.
1799
01:35:23.680 --> 01:35:26.079
Oh really, yeah, he's got Actually that's the thing. We
1800
01:35:26.119 --> 01:35:28.239
didn't have it. We didn't we weren't recording anything.
1801
01:35:28.880 --> 01:35:30.399
And its next to me.
1802
01:35:30.479 --> 01:35:32.159
It says, do you do you hear anything that I
1803
01:35:32.159 --> 01:35:36.159
don't hear anything? Whoa, And that's the craziest thing.
1804
01:35:36.439 --> 01:35:39.119
And yeah, and how can you explain it?
1805
01:35:39.279 --> 01:35:39.439
Really?
1806
01:35:39.520 --> 01:35:43.000
And this guy then he hears a very loud, low
1807
01:35:43.279 --> 01:35:47.119
roar in the distance and there's still no noise, and
1808
01:35:47.159 --> 01:35:48.640
then he just high tails it out of there.
1809
01:35:49.560 --> 01:35:49.880
I don't know.
1810
01:35:51.199 --> 01:35:52.479
That is a very cool experience.
1811
01:35:52.840 --> 01:35:53.079
Damn.
1812
01:35:53.319 --> 01:35:55.199
I would I would love to. I would love to
1813
01:35:55.239 --> 01:35:59.479
experience that. Number five, what's the scariest or where stream
1814
01:35:59.560 --> 01:35:59.960
you've ever had.
1815
01:36:01.920 --> 01:36:04.600
So the dream that I always believe this is kind
1816
01:36:04.640 --> 01:36:11.560
of crazy waking or or finding myself lecturing in front
1817
01:36:11.600 --> 01:36:14.479
of a large auditorium and I had no idea what
1818
01:36:14.600 --> 01:36:18.920
I was talking about. Oh, I swear to God. And
1819
01:36:19.000 --> 01:36:20.880
it's been recent, I mean in the past year or so,
1820
01:36:20.920 --> 01:36:24.399
because I teach college, uh college, you know, I told
1821
01:36:24.439 --> 01:36:27.439
a lot of college students and it's like you get
1822
01:36:27.520 --> 01:36:30.119
up there and you I mean everybody's looking at you.
1823
01:36:30.279 --> 01:36:32.520
Was like, I have no idea what this is. Like
1824
01:36:33.840 --> 01:36:37.399
if you asked me to go teach economics, I have
1825
01:36:37.680 --> 01:36:41.119
no idea what you're talking about. That's my biggest nightmare.
1826
01:36:41.159 --> 01:36:43.680
And I wake up like all nervous and stuff like that, like, oh,
1827
01:36:43.880 --> 01:36:45.439
thank god, that was just a dream.
1828
01:36:46.600 --> 01:36:49.279
So did you did you try or did you just.
1829
01:36:50.880 --> 01:36:52.399
I don't know. I just woke up. I was like
1830
01:36:52.479 --> 01:36:56.359
petrified it looking around like, oh my god, thank god,
1831
01:36:56.439 --> 01:36:56.960
I woke up.
1832
01:37:00.279 --> 01:37:03.800
Oh man, all right. Final question and question number six,
1833
01:37:04.319 --> 01:37:07.199
Doctor Jim Sigala, Who the fuck do you think you are?
1834
01:37:08.279 --> 01:37:10.880
I think I am somebody that is looking to solve
1835
01:37:10.920 --> 01:37:18.680
a problem that's been plaguing this our society for hundreds
1836
01:37:18.680 --> 01:37:22.840
and hundreds of years, and hopefully I'm going to move
1837
01:37:23.000 --> 01:37:26.319
that donald ahead just a little bit to help the
1838
01:37:26.399 --> 01:37:29.359
next person who's smarter than me figure this thing out.
1839
01:37:30.479 --> 01:37:33.399
Man, I hope you pushed that title a lot further,
1840
01:37:33.600 --> 01:37:37.479
because this would be something to explain this finally, to
1841
01:37:37.600 --> 01:37:42.039
come to a resolution for our society, for humanity to
1842
01:37:42.279 --> 01:37:44.920
understand what it is would be amazing.
1843
01:37:45.800 --> 01:37:46.840
Thank you, it would be amazing.
1844
01:37:47.319 --> 01:37:49.720
Thank you so much for even trying. I appreciate you
1845
01:37:49.800 --> 01:37:52.520
so much, Jim, thank you for joining me. It's been
1846
01:37:52.560 --> 01:37:55.479
a pleasure talking to you. I hope we get to
1847
01:37:55.520 --> 01:37:58.359
do it again soon at some point. All right, sir, well,
1848
01:37:58.479 --> 01:38:02.520
thank you so much. That's the show, guys, see everybody bye.
1849
01:38:02.600 --> 01:38:05.199
I just want to let everyone know if you're going
1850
01:38:05.279 --> 01:38:08.279
through something that's that's troubling you, if you're having a
1851
01:38:08.319 --> 01:38:11.359
hard time out there, just know everything's going to be
1852
01:38:11.359 --> 01:38:15.159
all right. Everything is going to be all right. Thank you, guys.
1853
01:38:18.479 --> 01:38:22.239
You take the red bill, you stay in Wonderland, and
1854
01:38:22.279 --> 01:38:30.800
I'll show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. They said,
1855
01:38:30.880 --> 01:38:33.560
the truth was very deep and fouls. They tried to
1856
01:38:33.680 --> 01:38:37.399
burn David's on the mic. Now, with the People's turn
1857
01:38:37.680 --> 01:38:40.800
from Shadow men in black to creatures in the midst
1858
01:38:41.119 --> 01:38:45.479
He's cracking open secrets that the government dismissed. Spooky lights
1859
01:38:45.520 --> 01:38:49.920
above us, He's tracking every blink. Dailien's criptis Yeah, he's
1860
01:38:49.960 --> 01:38:53.039
making you think with a journal full of clues and
1861
01:38:53.199 --> 01:38:56.600
a wild eyed hunch. He's talking ghost towns, lost time,
1862
01:38:56.800 --> 01:38:58.239
big foot, flood.
1863
01:38:58.079 --> 01:39:01.399
Old David don't know, but he's looking for the code
1864
01:39:01.560 --> 01:39:04.600
on a long dark road where the weird ones go
1865
01:39:05.399 --> 01:39:09.479
might stay high when the story's unfold, digging through the
1866
01:39:09.560 --> 01:39:11.439
static for the true fun.
1867
01:39:11.359 --> 01:39:14.800
Toe from Pyramids on Mars it sounds in the night.
1868
01:39:15.399 --> 01:39:19.640
He's chasing after whiskers just beyond the light. Said boil
1869
01:39:19.800 --> 01:39:23.520
half nuts, a crown for the poles turning something off.
1870
01:39:23.800 --> 01:39:25.800
Big tails don't grow hold.
1871
01:39:53.359 --> 01:39:58.039
Black eyed kids knocking, coping leaves, dropping skinned walkers, stocking
1872
01:39:58.520 --> 01:40:00.560
mine's white popping reality.
1873
01:40:00.680 --> 01:40:02.760
He's a question in the world's all.
1874
01:40:02.720 --> 01:40:05.560
Stand So he's asking all the questions they don't want
1875
01:40:05.600 --> 01:40:06.399
you to again.
1876
01:40:06.520 --> 01:40:07.840
I think, David don't.
1877
01:40:07.960 --> 01:40:11.880
Nobody's digging in team through the dreams, game screams, and
1878
01:40:12.000 --> 01:40:16.000
the secrets thy game. Truth's out there. He's just sitting
1879
01:40:16.119 --> 01:40:20.199
in free one podcast at the time. Tune in to scene.
1880
01:40:20.560 --> 01:40:22.000
He lied on the news.
1881
01:40:22.279 --> 01:40:26.600
They hide in plain sight, but David's gonna follow every freaker.
1882
01:40:26.399 --> 01:40:27.000
Of the night.
1883
01:40:27.399 --> 01:40:30.960
He's not afraid of monster myths. A man, he's just
1884
01:40:31.119 --> 01:40:33.600
trying to lie where the stories begin.
1885
01:41:02.640 --> 01:41:05.880
Unfortunately, they don't want to wet for the major then.
1886
01:41:07.960 --> 01:41:12.199
A result, and then stood they do thet they think,
1887
01:41:12.239 --> 01:41:14.239
they they they
1888
01:41:22.159 --> 01:41:22.199
H