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This is a story we covered yesterday, and then around
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the time our show aired, the whole thing got weirder
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between the Supreme Court lifting a stay, and then as
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of 7-27, last night, I think local time, Tennessee finally
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strapped Krista Pike to a gurney at Riverbend Prison in Nashville.
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Then by 8-53, officials cut the microphone, walked the witnesses
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out of the rooms, Krista was still alive, snoring and breathing.
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I remember seeing it pop across social media. I go,
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there is no way. There's no way they're botching this thing.
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In between, they pumped two doses of the lethal injection
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drugs into her body. Tennessee tried to execute her, and
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they couldn't. They couldn't execute her. 31 years after she
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tortured 19-year-old Colleen Slemmer for the better part of an
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hour and crushed her skull with a chunk of asphalt,
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Krista was taken to a hospital for treatment, something her
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victim never had the opportunity to receive. It was an
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almost unbelievable ending to an even more unbelievable day. AND
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LOOK AT WHAT IT TOOK TO GET THERE. YESTERDAY MORNING,
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A DIVIDED FEDERAL APPEALS PANEL STOPPED THE EXECUTION AN HOUR
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BEFORE IT WAS SCHEDULED. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ON THE SHOW.
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BY EVENING, THE SUPREME COURT REVERSED THE STAY, SIX TO THREE.
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SOTO MAYOR, OF COURSE, DESCENDED, WRITING THAT TENNESSEE'S DESIRE TO
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SPEED THINGS UP BY A FEW DAYS OR EVEN WEEKS
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COULDN'T OUTWEIGH PIKE'S FUNDAMENTAL INTEREST IN HER OWN LIFE. SPEED
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THINGS UP? IT WAS 31 YEARS. THEN THE TIME FOR
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JUSTICE ARRIVED. Pike's last words, believe this, I'm going to
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leave this world the way I spent most of my life,
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and that is in love. Apparently, love includes the brutal
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murder of a 19-year-old girl and the attempted strangling of
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another inmate six years later.
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Whew.
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Now, here's one of the media witnesses. This is what
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they had to say when they were there with the executions.
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I will say I've witnessed, I believe, five executions in Tennessee.
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Nothing about today was normal, typical at all. And the
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court delay was just the tip of the iceberg. The
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curtains closed at first at 7.46, and she was clearly
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still alive. She was clearly still breathing and snoring.
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Now, officials never announced a time of death because, well,
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there wasn't one. An ambulance left the prison with its
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lights on. Her lawyers say she's in the hospital, and
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as of this morning, Nobody really knew what condition she
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was in other than the fact that she was alive. Now,
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somebody else who was there, another journalist, said there was
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no reason for her to even have to have two doses.
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Something went wrong.
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Look.
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This is an enormous dose of a sedative. That should
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not ever need to happen twice, but it did. And
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then she stayed alive. I think one of the issues
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we have here is.
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The protocol doesn't talk about what happens if you do
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this twice and they're still alive.
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So what went wrong? Well, there's several possibilities, and none
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of them are good for the state of Tennessee. First,
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the vein, an arm that feels like it's bursting, is
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a sign of an IV that missed with the drug
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going directly into the tissue instead of the bloodstream. By
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accident or on purpose, I don't know. Her lawyers warned
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for months that she has small veins. It's possible. Second,
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the drug. The defense says phenobarbital was degraded In 2022,
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Tennessee had to pause every execution after admitting it hadn't
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properly tested its drugs. Third, the people. Now, in May,
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this same department gave up on executing Tony Carruthers after
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more than an hour of failing to place an IV.
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That makes two failed executions in five months in that state.
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The Department of Corrections response was that it followed every
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step of the state's lawful established execution protocol. AND THAT
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THE PROTOCOL DOES NOT ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL PROCEDURES. FOLLOWED EVERY STEP,
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BUT SHE'S STILL ALIVE. AND THERE'S A FOURTH POSSIBILITY THAT
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A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE RAISING THIS MORNING AND CONSIDERING
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YESTERDAY'S LAST-MINUTE STAY, SUBSEQUENT REVERSAL, AND THE RECENT TENDENCY TO
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EXCUSE WOMEN WHO COMMIT MURDER, THIS LAST ONE MAKES A
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LOT OF SENSE. SOME PEOPLE THINK THIS WAS BOTCHED ON PURPOSE.
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THAT SOMEWHERE INSIDE THAT BUILDING, SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE IN
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THE DEATH PENALTY MADE SURE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. I'M NOT
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GOING TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. I'M NOT GOING TO
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SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING
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ABOUT THAT. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
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Anything is possible in today's age. Now, I can't tell
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you what happened. Nobody's produced any evidence that anything funny
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happened other than the lethal injection didn't work. But the
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state's own explanation that everything was done by the book
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and she lived anyway? Well, look, that's the reason people
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are asking. Now, for now, Governor Lee has halted executions
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for the rest of the year, ordered an outside review.
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But I'll say this. Every person who handled that IV
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line and those drugs, they probably should be questioned about
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what they did under oath. And if it was incompetence,
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fire them. If it was anything else. Prosecute him. Now,
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in light of this botched execution, the pro-abortion penalty abolitionists
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or whatever you want to call them, they're already arguing
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that the death penalty is inhumane and should be ended.
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And while last night suggests Tennessee can't run an execution effectively,
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it says nothing about whether Krista Pike earned it or not.
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If anyone earned an execution, it's her. The family belongs
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to the state and the justice still belongs to Colleen
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and her family. And to be fair, the problem isn't
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limited to Tennessee, but there is a fix for all
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of this. Sitting right there, Tennessee law gave Christina Pike
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the option of electric chair because of her crime and
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it predated 99. She didn't take it. She asked for
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a firing squad, which Tennessee doesn't allow. You just need
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to simply expand options for executions that have been more
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reliable and in some instances foolproof for generations. Colleen's mother
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said she can't stop thinking about her daughter, feeling that pain,
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and trying to get up and run. She waited 31
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years for justice. Last night, all she got was a
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closed curtain, and Krista got something Colleen never had, a
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chance to survive. Joining me now is retired FBI supervisory
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special agent Chris Hinkle. Chris, welcome to David Pollack Prime Time.
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Thank you. I don't know what else to say. I
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couldn't believe when I heard it. What's your take on
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what happened yesterday in Tennessee?
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Well, it is horrific what happened. I don't know if
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it's incompetence or what. So you spoke a little bit
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about the investigation. So three things. They need to stabilize
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her and document her injuries. They need to take a
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look to see if her veins were a problem. Freeze
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the drug lot with the execution logs. Do not set
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another date until an outside reviewer says whether this was infiltration,
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a bad batch, or both. And until the protocol is
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fixed in writing, the victim's family has waited 30 years.
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They're owed competence, not another spectacle. What really troubles me
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are the number of people out there trying to advocate
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on the behalf of this murderer. In my 25 years
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as a federal law enforcement officer, I've seen evil.
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I've seen it face to face. This woman is evil.
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And I'm not a huge proponent of the death penalty,
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but I do believe for the sake of the protection
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of society, there are some people that are so evil
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that they need to be permanently removed because every day
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that they breathe, there's an opportunity that they may be
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getting on the outside. I just wish more people knew
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the circumstances of the murder and how horrific it was.
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It wasn't just that they killed her.
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It's that they lured her out into a wooded area
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They began beating her. They chased her down. And then
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this Pike lady, Krista Pike, beat her in the head
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and then took a piece of her skull as a souvenir,
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which she showed to other people. It is pure evil.
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Quit showing the pictures of Krista Pike when she was
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19 years old. Show the pictures of her now and
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give the facts of what happened that night to demonstrate
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why this person needs to be removed from society permanently.
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Yeah, it's one of the most horrific stories. When I
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first hit my social media feed, I was like, oh,
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this is weird. 30 years. Oh, maybe she you know,
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is this it's a woman 200. And then I saw
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the facts. And I said immediately, if there's never been
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a better case for the death penalty. It's this case.
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And then after the stay was lifted and then the botches,
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this just reads something that really couldn't be more perfectly
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in a time that is so dysfunctional as 2026 with
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respect to the Clancy situation and all these women out
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there cheering for murderers seemingly and forgetting who the victims
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really are. Do you think it's possible that they botched
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this on purpose? Has that happened before?
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I don't know, but it should be investigated as if
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it was done deliberately. You want the most egregious, detailed,
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forceful investigation that's out there. Every person involved in this,
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from the beginning to the end should be interviewed. Everything
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that they say documented, every piece of evidence documented. This is,
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you know, David, you know me, I am a strict
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textualist on the Constitution and I believe in due process.
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And I would say that Krista Pike's due process has
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run its course. Now it's time for the due process
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of the victim to be met.
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Yeah, Chris, I agree with you. This is yet another
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example of something that will surely turn into another spectacle.
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And like you said, that's justice denied for a family
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that's been waiting way too long for it. Chris, thank
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you so much for being here. Thanks for your service
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as well in the FBI, and I look forward to
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having you on again real soon. Thank you, David. Still
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ahead tonight, Kevin Newsom, his last stand, doubles down on
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his radical agenda, giving abortion green lights across the board.
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Nurses can perform abortions past the first trimester with no
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doctor in the room. Anybody can sue ICE now. Attorney
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General candidate Michael Gates, the Republican nominee, joining me to
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go through all of this nonsense. Plus, seven Cornell students
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called rapists by the governor of New York, but none
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of them have been charged yet. A very interesting case.
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And a co-pilot stabs his captain, nosedives a plane full
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of Israelis, passengers save the day. We have all of
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Well, Gavin Newsom has had about three months left as governor,
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and on his way out the door, he's showing everyone
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just how radical he is. Just take a look at
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his most recent legislation, a law letting a nurse perform
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an abortion past the first trimester with no doctor in
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the room, a law letting people sue the federal agents
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who arrest illegal aliens, and a law making you sit
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through a four-hour class before you can buy a gun.
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And on top of all that, he vetoed a bill
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for the cops and firefighters. And in just a few weeks,
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Californians have a choice to continue that legacy or move
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in a better direction. Let's take a closer look at
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some of Gavin Newsom's parting gifts to California, starting with abortion.
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Assembly Bill 1973 deletes the first trimester limit on who
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can perform surgical abortions in California until this week. Nurse practitioners,
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nurse midwives, and physician's assistants could do them only in
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the first 12 weeks. Well, now they can do them
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in the second trimester and beyond. Midwives performing abortions beyond
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the second trimester. Late, late-term abortion. WITH NO PHYSICIAN PRESENT.
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SO MUCH FOR THE HEALTH OF THE MOTHER, RIGHT? NOW,
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ASSEMBLY BILL 2540 GOES FURTHER AND ORDERS COMMUNITY COLLEGES TO
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HAND OUT ABORTION PILLS BY 2029. AND ANOTHER NEW LAW
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PAYS ABORTION CLINICS WITH STATE GRANTS TO SERVE VETERANS. THIS
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IS THE SAME GAVIN NEWSOM, BY THE WAY. WHO SHUT
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DOWN CALIFORNIA'S DEATH CHAMBER IN 2019, HALTED THE EXECUTION OF
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EVERY ONE OF THE MORE THAN 700 CONDEMNED MURDERERS ON
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DEATH ROW. IN CALIFORNIA, THE STATE WILL PREDICT A CONVICTED
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KILLER FROM A NEEDLE AND SEND A NURSE PRACTITIONER INTO
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A ROOM TO END A PREGNANCY IN THE SIX MONTHS
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WITHOUT ANY SUPERVISION. THEN THERE'S THE NO KINGS ACT. SENATOR
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SCOTT WEINER'S BILL LETS ANYONE IN CALIFORNIA SUE A Wiener's words,
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ICE and Border Patrol have terrorized California communities with impunity.
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That ends today. After Newsom's signature, three people have filed
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suit against ICE officers. Alongside it, a law ordering state
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prosecutors to investigate any shooting by a federal agent and
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a bill of rights for people in immigration detention. Do
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they not care about the communities that illegal aliens are terrorizing? Nah.
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Let's protect the illegal aliens. A federal officer doing his
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job in California now gets a state investigator and a lawsuit.
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The criminal alien he arrested gets a bill of rights.
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And you may think any of this ends when Newsom leaves.
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Listen to the man Democrats picked to replace him last
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night on CNN. Xavier Becerra said this to Steve Hilton.
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Look.
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Steve, you're running for governor of California, and you'll enforce
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Trump's laws at the federal level, but you won't enforce
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state laws at our level. California welcomed you into California,
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and you welcomed ICE mercenaries into our state in return.
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How do you square that?
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Mercenaries, that's the Democratic nominee for governor describing federal law
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enforcement agents. Hilton's answer? We've got to make sure that
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people who are in this country illegally, who have committed
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dangerous crimes, should be removed. Yeah, duh. One of those
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men wants to deport dangerous criminals. The other wants to
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police the police. Let them sue him. Monday, it was guns.
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Ten bills in a single day, including a mandatory four-hour
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class before you can buy a firearm in a state
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where the criminals buy theirs out of a trunk. And
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the veto pen, he found it for the police and firefighters.
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Lawmakers sent him a bill boosting retirement benefits for the
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first responders. Vetoed. Wildfire survivors in Los Angeles asked for
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two bills forcing insurance companies to be transparent about their claims. Vetoed.
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Both of them, the governor who found money for veterans' abortions,
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couldn't find a way to help a cop retire or
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a fire victim read his own insurance policy. You know
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what this week was? It was a campaign announcement. Gavin
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Newsom is leaving Sacramento with his eye on the White House,
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and every one of these signatures was written for a
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Democratic primary voter in 2028 because that's their platform. Take
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away your guns. Legalize your abortions. They don't care about
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a family in Fresno. They don't care about the bill.
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He had eight years to fix California. They don't care
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about any of that. He spent last week making sure
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California stays broken, and his party just nominated the man
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who promises to continue that mess. Michael Gates is running
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alongside Steve Hilton as the Republican nominee for California Attorney General,
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and he's the former Huntington Beach City Attorney Michael. Welcome
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back to Dave Pollack Prime Time. Look, Gavin Newsom is
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showing California exactly what they can expect here. if they
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go and continue Democrat rule of this state? Considering all
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of this insanity, there's never been a better case not
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to vote Democrat, right?
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Absolutely.
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The stuff that's coming out of Sacramento is absolutely shocking.
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Although California has seen it now for a long time,
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many years, we are basically lawless in California. They are
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codifying by passing legislation what behavior or conduct that we
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used to believe was criminal or abusive to children or
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abusive to animals or abusive or whatever. Literally, they are
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legislating criminal activity and making it okay and shielding. I mean, look,
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a lot of people don't even know exactly what all
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these bills mean, but I'll just give you one quick example.
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The Stop Nick Shirley Act. That is a blatant violation
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of our First Amendment rights. That's an attack, that's a
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legislative attack by Sacramento on our First Amendment rights. And
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our Attorney General Rob Bonta is nowhere to be found
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on that. He never piped up and said, hey, this
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is a violation of the First Amendment. This is a
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violation of free speech.
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Nothing.
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He stayed silent, let the legislature do its dirty work.
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Newsom signed it into law. And now we literally have
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a law on the books in the state of California
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that violates the First Amendment. So there's a long list,
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a long line of bills that are now becoming laws
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that violate our constitutional rights. They deprive parents of their
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rights over their children. And the list goes on and
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on and on. So we are basically lawless in California,
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and they're codifying the lawlessness by passing these laws. And
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that's why it's so important to have a new attorney
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general and new leadership in Sacramento.
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Yeah, and to stop Nick Shirley Act is the craziest
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thing I've ever seen. I mean, literally, we don't want
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people reporting on our fraud. So let's just go ahead
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and criminalize that behavior. And like you said, decriminalize crime.
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It's the craziest thing. But worse than that, on his
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way out the door, just in case, Gavin Newsom is
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signing some of the most radical legislation of any state.
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We used to look over to Massachusetts at their abortion
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laws and the fact that you can have an abortion
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up until birth and a nurse can do it, no doubt.
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And then Gavin Newsom said, yeah, I agree. That sounds great.
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And then he's, of course, sending abortion pills to college campuses.
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And then just the other day, BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT SAID
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WE'RE CALLING IT SUPER INTELLIGENCE. HE GOES AND SIGNS AN
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EXECUTIVE ORDER SAYING NO, WE'RE CALLING IT ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. THAT'S
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HOW ANTAGONISTIC AND UNSERIOUS HE IS, RIGHT?
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RIGHT.
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ABSOLUTELY.
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LIKE I SAID, ALL OF THESE PIECES OF LEGISLATION, THEY'RE
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NOT SERIOUS BUSINESS. solutions for problems, they're literally pretend solutions
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looking for problems in the first place.
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These are not necessary.
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There are flurries and flurries of bills that are passed
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by our legislature every year now that we have had
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the one-party rule. of them are nonsensical. A lot of
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them are unconstitutional. And again, a lot of them are
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they pretend they hold them out as solutions to problems
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that don't exist. And so this is the kind of
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thing that you get out of the one party rule.
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And look, for me, I'm out on the campaign trail
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all the time. And I talk to Democrats, independents, or
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no party preference registered voters and Republicans alike. And according
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to the polls and according to what I'm hearing out
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on the campaign trail, 65 percent of people who are
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responding to these polls think that California is headed in
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the wrong direction. Well, it's not simply because we have
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high gas prices, although that's true. Now we're paying seven
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dollars per gallon of gas. But it's also because the
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leadership in Sacramento is so incredibly tone deaf, so incredibly
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tone deaf and incredibly, I think, politically ambitious that they're
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completely out of touch with everyday Californians. And that's why
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everyday Californians are looking and their Democrats, independents and Republicans
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alike looking at Sacramento thinking, where are we headed and
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where how did we.
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Even get here?
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I mean, this is ridiculous that. They are so completely
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out of touch and so completely lawless. So that's why
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I think I'm getting so much support on the campaign trail.
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We have got a lot of support.
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The polls are looking good. I really believe very, very
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strongly that we're going to have a victory here on
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Election Day because people want to return California to a
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law and order state. And when I'm the attorney general,
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I'm going to be reporting to the governor and the
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legislature on things that they can and cannot do under
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the Constitution. under the California Constitution and the U.S.
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Constitution.
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And a lot of these bills that they're passing are unconstitutional.
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And so I have that chance. I will be able
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to rein them in and call them out as the
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adult in the room, calling balls and strikes on what
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is constitutional and what's not constitutional. A lot of what
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we're seeing right now is not constitutional.
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Yeah.
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And look, at the end of the day, and I
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love the way you say it, it's one party rule.
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And look, you might be running on a ticket with Hilton,
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but it's a separate election. You're a separate election from Hilton.
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And here's the important part for California voters is the
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fact that they know what they're already getting with their
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current attorney general.
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Right.
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I mean, Gavin Newsom's leaving. So you have a choice
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between Hilton or Becerra. OK, go make a decision based
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on which campaign you think is going to represent your
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interests more. But obviously, we have a pretty good instinct
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of how it will go if you I DON'T THINK
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THAT'S A GOOD JOB. I THINK IT'S A GOOD JOB
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TO VOTE FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS ALREADY SHOWN YOU THEIR
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INABILITY TO REPRESENT THE VOTERS OF THIS STATE AT THAT
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IMPORTANT LEVEL. THAT IS THE ONE SEAT THAT VOTERS.
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He does not deserve a second term of four years.
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California is the second most dangerous state in the country.
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One more time.
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California is the second most dangerous state in the country
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according to the 2026 Consumer Affairs Report study. that just
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came out a few weeks ago, second most dangerous. That's
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Rob Bonta, he's the top law enforcement officer ultimately responsible
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for public safety. Look at the corruption, the waste fraud
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and abuse, $ 425 billion in waste fraud and abuse over
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the past five years, the same exact amount of time
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that Rob Bonta has been in office. And a state
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auditor came out with a report a few weeks ago,
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a few months ago, excuse me, that said that state
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leadership knew about the waste fraud and abuse for years
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and Rob Bonta chose to do nothing about it. So
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we appreciate Nick Shirley's service, exposing all this to the public.
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But actually, state leadership, including Rob Bonta, knew about the waste,
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fraud and abuse for years and chose to do nothing
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about it. He has announced no investigations. He has announced
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no prosecutions. He literally has run cover for corruption on
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the waste, fraud and abuse for years and has not
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done his job on that front. And then just look
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at election integrity. You know, who is responsible for investigating
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on election integrity? When I'm attorney general, I'm going to
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investigate every election integrity issue in the state of California.
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Look what Rob Bonta has done. He has shut down
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the investigation that Sheriff Bianco started a few months ago,
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trying to stop investigations into election integrity.
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So this is why I say we.
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Are lawless in California at the hands of Rob Bonta.
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He is lawless.
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He is stopping needed investigations. He is not investigating where
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he should into the corruption. And he's not prosecuting our
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criminal justice, our criminal state crime laws, criminal laws against
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criminals and holding them accountable. He is literally not doing
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the job he is tasked to do under the California
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Constitution and the job that he was put there to do. Well,
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in this case by Newsom when he was appointed, but
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ultimately by the people who elect our attorney general. So
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when I'm attorney general, I'm going to fight for the folks.
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I'm going to fight criminal laws. I'm going to fight
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the corruption. I'm going to hold people accountable and put
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them to jail. And I'm actually going to investigate all
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the election integrity issues. So we're going to return California
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to a law and order state. I promise you, I
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absolutely guarantee it on day one.
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It's a no-brainer for anybody in this state. They need
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to vote for you.
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Mr.
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Gates, thank you so much for everything you've done. You're
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almost at the finish line. Keep it up. And I
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think everybody should get out and vote for you and
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drag their neighbors as well. We need a better direction
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in this state. Thank you for being here, my friend.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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Yep.
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Coming up, seven young men at Cornell have been expelled, sued,
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and called rapists by Kathy Hochul. The prosecutor says there
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was no crime. Journalist Angie Wong joins me with all
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the details of this story. That's coming up next.
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HAVE YOU BEEN FOLLOWING THE SEXUAL ASSAULT CASE OUT OF CORNELL?
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SEVEN YOUNG MEN AT CORNELL HAVE BEEN EITHER EXPELLED OR SUSPENDED,
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SUED FOR DAMAGES, TOLD BY THEIR OWN STUDENT NEWSPAPER, WE
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KNOW WHO YOU ARE. THEY'RE CONDEMNED BY THE GOVERNOR OF
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NEW YORK AND CALLED RAPIST BY A TELEVISION STAR WHO
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TOLD POLICE TO ARREST THEM. HERE'S THE THING. NOT ONE
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OF THEM HAVE BEEN CHARGED WITH A CRIME AS OF YET.
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Says he knows why. Let's start with the allegation. Now
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it's an ugly one. A former Cornell student says that
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on October 19th, 2024, seven members of the Chi Phi
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fraternity drugged her with ketamine, marijuana, and alcohol and raped
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her over several hours. Her lawsuit says one of them
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posted it in the fraternity's Snapchat group that a woman
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was available for sex and more men came into the room. Now,
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if that's what happened, every single one of them belongs
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in prison or worse. But here's the record. In 2024,
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the Tompkins County District Attorney, Matthew Van Houten, investigated. He
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read her detailed written statement and he closed the case anyway.
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If this was all true, why would he do that? Now,
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this week, he said if what was on social media
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about this case was true, he said those fraternity members
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would be in prison right now. He said she clearly
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consented in the beginning and there was never any indication
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that she changed that. Under New York law, he explained
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getting drunk or high on your own doesn't make you
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legally unable to consent. According to The Daily Wire's account
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of her own 2024 statement to police, she texted one
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of the men to arrange the meeting, agreed to a
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threesome because she was, quote, attracted and curious. She took
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the ketamine voluntarily and never claimed she was drugged or assaulted. Now,
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two days after that night, she reportedly texted that none
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of the sexual stuff was illegal. Now, three weeks later,
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she told campus police that she was 100 percent confident
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She'd been raped. She also reportedly told investigators she felt
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like bait. Cornell ran its own investigation. Some of the
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men were expelled, some suspended, and the fraternity was kicked
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off campus, shut down. Then nothing for two years. And
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on September 14th, 2026, a lawsuit was filed. Four days later,
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the student paper broke the story. A week after that,
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez stood at a town hall and talked about a, quote,
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culture of rape at elite universities. The next day, the
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district attorney who found no crime reopened the case. The
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day after that, Letitia James announced a review. The day
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after that, Kathy Hochul called the allegations, quote, nothing short
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of horrifying and ordered Cornell to submit to an outside investigation.
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Celebrities piled on and the black squares flooded Instagram again.
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What's odd here is that nothing new in the evidence
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has been reported between 24 and last week until a
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lawsuit out of nowhere, a newspaper report, a congresswoman and
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a governor five weeks before the midterm elections. And now
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a prosecutor who said on the record that there wasn't
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a crime before is taking it to a grand jury anyway. Now,
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I don't know what happened in that house that night.
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And as I said before, if those allegations are true,
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justice should be swift and brutal. But the thing is,
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no one knows what happened that night. Kathy Hochul doesn't know.
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AOC doesn't know. No one knows except for the people
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who were there. That's a thing. can even recall what happened,
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considering the drugs and alcohol that were involved. But that's
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what a criminal investigation is for. And one was done here.
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And no one was charged. Now, if a grand jury
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finds a crime, charge them. Let a jury decide. Now,
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if it doesn't, THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM BECAUSE THAT'S DAMAGE
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THAT YOU REALLY DON'T RECOVER FROM. AND IF POLITICS ARE INVOLVED, WELL,
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THAT WOULD MAKE THINGS A WHOLE LOT WORSE. JOINING ME
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NOW IS JOURNALIST AND MIAMI-DADE COUNTY COMMITTEE WOMAN, ANGIE WONG. ANGIE,
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WELCOME BACK TO DAVE POLITIC PRIMETIME. YOU'VE BEEN POSTING ABOUT
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THIS STORY, FOLLOWING IT VERY CLOSELY, AND YOUR SPIDY SENSES
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ARE GOING UP ABOUT IT. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT
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THIS CASE?
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Yeah, I've been posting a lot.
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And at first, I really kind of withheld because with
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any of these cases early on, you don't really know
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what's going on. And I didn't want to be another
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judge and jury on social media trying to play like
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I'm some prosecuting attorney with all the facts. Clearly, we
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don't know what the facts are. But things are coming out.
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The merits of the case are coming out very slowly.
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And more and more text messages are coming out. And
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it doesn't seem as though this case, as you say,
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really made any movements between 2024 when this incident happened
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until now. The only thing that's different is that this
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is a brand new political landscape and we're about 30
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days out from a midterm election. So, you know, I
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think about that and I think about those who are involved.
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As you said, none of the men have been criminally charged,
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but they have been publicly charged by social media. And
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this is destroying people's lives. I hate this when people's
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lives are destroyed because based on social media allegations, I mean,
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it's extremely dangerous. And as you say, any publication that
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is touching the story and not printing the facts, even
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social media stars saying the word rapist, I have a
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really hard time with that because nobody knows. But meanwhile,
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all of this feels like a movie that we've all
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seen before, right? We're on a college campus. This is
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an issue dealing with college-age voters. You have the social
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media amplified. It's almost like a manufactured movement that's happening.
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You have all these bad cops and MeToo movements. And
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now you have all the celebrity pylons, including, you know,
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Kathy Hochul, AOC, Chuck Schumer, Letitia James.
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They all want a piece of this.
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Because right now, They're not getting any media air because
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Congress is shut down. We have a media blackout at
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the White House. You don't have a press secretary. And
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the left needs to get out their movement in order
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to mobilize their vote. And what do they know how
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to do really well? They love that lynch mob, right?
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We've seen it in 2020.
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We saw it in 2024.
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I think this is the brewings of it. But then again,
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you can call me a conspiracy theorist, but it just
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smells like all the elements of what the left loves
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to do, which is to rage voters, especially they poke
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their kind of victim voters to come out and vote.
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And this could be the issue they use for 2026.
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Yeah, it is. It is really interesting, sort of the
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timing of this. I, too, was staying away from this
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story just because the story is awful. I mean, if
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what this woman says happened to her happened to her.
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I can't even begin to tell you as a parent
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what I would hope to happen to the people that
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were responsible for doing this. But I'm also a lawyer.
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And when you don't when somebody is not charged and
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if facts like this are raised and they can't charge
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somebody criminally because the evidence isn't strong enough and there's
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issues about whether or not there was consent. You know,
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it makes a very difficult situation to where the consent began,
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when it ended, and if the prosecutor didn't feel like
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they had enough evidence to move forward. You know, that's
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a problem when you start calling people rapists. Now, the
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university has their own standards of conduct. They expelled some kids,
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suspended others. Gauging this type of activity on campus, the drugs,
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the alcohol, that in and of itself is enough to
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expel or suspend somebody, which is arguably why this attorney
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was probably kicked off campus. But needless to say— It's
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a terrible story, but there's also an important lesson, and that's,
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you know, maybe instead of villainizing people that may or
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may not be responsible, instead of attacking a victim who
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may or may not have consented, perhaps we should take
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a look at this culture as a whole and look
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at college campuses and maybe do a little bit more
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of what Charlie Kirk used to do. Maybe talk about
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God a little bit more. Maybe have people take responsibility
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for their bodies and their actions. I mean, maybe it's
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okay that instead of like they're doing in California, sending
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morning after pills to universities, maybe we put some effort
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into avoiding some of this dangerous behavior to kids who
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are still figuring out life. I mean, that's the bigger
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story here, I think, is the fact that we have
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this culture where Kids are finding themselves in some really
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dangerous situations. And regardless of what happens here, we have
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to do something, right?
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Yeah, and I've been texting my male friends going, hey, guys,
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how do you feel about this? Are you texting girls
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less and are you watching what you're saying now over
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text messages? Because one of the lessons that we're learning
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is that don't put something in writing that you wouldn't
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want read out in court or in the New York Post,
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which is where I'm getting a lot of my information from.
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And also that due process does matter.
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Social media, forget that.
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You have to have a judge, a court, and a
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jury actually convict people this in order to actually say
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any of the allegations that are coming out. So, you know,
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I think that there's plenty of lessons. I think I
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will be telling my son, you got to be very
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careful with this stuff because you don't know what it
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goes from consent to all of a sudden not consensual.
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And maybe there's no line.
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And you don't know when a girl or.
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Guy changes their mind when something goes from consent to non-consensual.
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I don't even know how to explain that, but that
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happens a lot. I went to Cornell for a semester.
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I could tell you there's nothing to do there. It's
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like you're either drinking, having sex, or looking at cows, right?
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That's kind of what you do up there. And the
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entire social life is based around frat houses. So I
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get the culture there, and I get that this woman,
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it appears through her text messages, seemed like she was
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embarrassed after the incident happened. And maybe that's why all
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this is happening. But we do need to explain to
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our kids, you know, the difference between consensual and non-consensual.
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And don't leave it to the New York lawmakers to
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figure out what that looks like.
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Yeah, I think that's an excellent point you made. Yeah,
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and talking to your kids and talking to your sons,
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your daughters, talking to your sons about how certain allegations
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can ruin your life. Don't put yourself in situations. But
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also talking to your daughters, not put themselves in situations
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where things can get out of control. And I think
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at the end of the day, we'll see what happens
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in this case. The facts are horrible, but would be
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even worse if allegations were made that were not exactly
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fully truthful and people's lives were ruined as a result.
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Terrible case altogether. Angie, thank you so much for coming
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on the show and talking about it. Thank you, David.
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Thanks for being here. Coming up, a co-pilot stabs his
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00:36:55.730 --> 00:37:00.380
captain and puts a plane full of Israelis into a nosedive.
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Three passengers fight their way into the cockpit, take control
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of the airplane and save everyone's life. Someone who has
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flown for both the Air Force and the airline industry,
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Buzz Patterson, joins me to explain all of it. And
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then nearly one in four Americans say they've been to
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the other side. That means they've died and come back alive.
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We have an interesting story about what they saw. Don't
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go anywhere.
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Earlier this week, a Boeing 737 carrying 166 Israelis... Dove 17,000
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feet in about a minute. The man flying it, well,
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he wanted it to keep going. Fly Dubai flight 1073,
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Dubai to Tel Aviv. According to Israeli officials, the co-pilot,
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an Omani national, pulled a knife in the cockpit, stabbed
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the captain over and over. and the head in his hands.
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Then he shoved the plane into a nosedive. One passenger
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says a crew member shouted, Allahu Akbar, and ran for
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the cockpit. The captain, a 39-year-old Indian pilot named Smit Manchachar,
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I believe, bleeding from his skull, used the last of
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his strength to unlock the cockpit door. That's when three
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Israeli passengers went through it They grabbed the controls and
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pulled the plane out of the nosedive, not pilots. And
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he knew what to do, the guy who did it,
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from watching a documentary series about air disasters. Now, another
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one of the men tied up the co-pilot with the
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headphone cords. They sat on him for 55 minutes until
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the plane crashed. landed in Saudi Arabia. Israel is treating
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it like terrorism. The UAE is investigating whether it was
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Israeli intelligence, according to the Jerusalem Post, believes he acted alone.
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See what the investigation eventually shows. But Here's what we know.
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A man with a knife tried to turn a plane
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into a weapon, and the people on board refused to
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let him. They said, life is stronger than everything. Another
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one said, we decided to fight. For now, three Israelis
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are heroes, and it's only thanks to the grace of
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God that those people on that plane survived. And also,
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as President Trump highlighted in a true social post, it's
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also thanks to an American-built Boeing airplane. Now, for a
705
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closer look at how it would be possible for regular,
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everyday folks to save a plane full of people, I'm
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honored to welcome back Lieutenant Colonel Buzz Patterson, who flew
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for the Air Force for 20 years, carried the nuclear
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football for the president, and flew for years as an
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airline pilot. Buzz, welcome back to David Pollak Prime Time. Crazy,
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crazy story. Everybody wants to know, how can just regular
712
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folks fly and land an airplane, especially with all this
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chaos going on?
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Well, you know, David, it's a great question. Thanks for
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having me on again. It's a great question. And I
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think it was a combination of factors that actually saved
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this airplane from crashing. The passengers, well, number one, let's
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talk about the captain.
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The captain, you said there was a knife used. There
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may have been.
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The actual cockpit crash axe used. I flew 737s my
722
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entire commercial career, and there's a crash axe right behind
723
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the co-pilot. in case we have to bust down the
724
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cockpit door or break open the windows, the cockpit windows,
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on occasion of an emergency. But the fact that the
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00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:33.460
captain was attacked by either a knife or the crash axe,
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which is in the cockpit, which, by the way, would
728
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be brutal— if you're a pilot actually flying an airplane,
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the fact that the captain was able to keep his
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wits and open the cockpit door. So cockpit doors, as
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you guys know, these days are impenetrable.
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And that's because of 9-11. So when the.
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Captain, this guy, had the forethought to actually, open the
734
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cockpit door, which is a switch, because otherwise nobody else
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would have gotten in there. So the captain's a hero.
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The thing, David, I would say is that the passengers
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responded immediately. So the airplane was in a complete dive.
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And at one point in time, and I've flown 737s
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my entire life. At one point in time, that airplane
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almost exceeded 1.0 Mach, which would.
741
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Rip off the wings of any airplane.
742
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That airplane was a Boeing 737 MAX, and I've flown Boeings,
743
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and that's a great airplane.
744
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And that airplane's ability to withstand almost going point— the sound
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of speed— in a straight dive and the captain opening
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the door and the passengers getting in there and arresting
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the sink rate.
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And then here's the sealer, David. The fact that there
749
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was a deadheading crew qualified on that airplane who was
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gonna fly that airplane on the next leg that was
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00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:30.400
right there on first class, ready to respond The fact
752
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that they went from a hijacking to passenger intervention to
753
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a deadhead crew saving that airplane in a dive, they
754
00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:43.659
probably had 15 to 20 seconds to save that. They
755
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:48.719
stabilized the airplane, and then they diverted to a safe
756
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location without a rudder. I mean, this is sensational stuff.
757
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And it was a combination. It's a blessing because as
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an airline guy and a 737 guy, I can tell
759
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you that they probably had 10 to 15 seconds to
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recover that airplane before they were going to be a
761
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burning hole somewhere. And the fact that they had all
762
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these things aligned, the captain, the passengers, and the deadhead
763
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crew is phenomenal.
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It's a miracle.
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That is unbelievable the way you describe that series of
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events having to occur in order to save this. I mean,
767
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talk about the miracle on the Hudson. This is a
768
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miracle in disguise. I mean, I can't imagine if any
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one of those things, even for a split seconds, didn't
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go absolutely perfectly. This could have ended so differently. I mean,
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this really is a miracle, right? I mean, there's no
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other ways it could have occurred.
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100%, David.
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And I will tell you that, I mean, literally, the
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seconds that those people intervened were so crucial. When an
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airplane is crashing at the ground at the speed of
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sound going straight down, the fact that the captain intervened,
778
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The passengers intervened, and the deadhead crew intervened and recovered
779
00:45:12.150 --> 00:45:12.949
that airplane.
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It's absolutely incredible.
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I think it's probably, I would go so far as
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saying it's Sully times three or four.
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I mean, Sully had one shot.
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These guys were crashing, and they saved it.
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And you know what?
786
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:33.530
God bless them and thank God. But I do think
787
00:45:33.550 --> 00:45:38.230
there's a bigger conversation here, David, about how we vet
788
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pilots and air crew members in this country, especially pilots
789
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and air crew members who are coming from other countries
790
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into our nation. And flying in our airspace. And we
791
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don't have any control of that. And I think, you know,
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my appeal is to Secretary Sean Duffy and to the
793
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airline community and to TSA and to DHS. to figure
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out how we actually control who's operating heavy equipment.
795
00:46:13.070 --> 00:46:15.849
In our airspace. We're doing it on the ground now.
796
00:46:15.909 --> 00:46:17.869
We should be doing it in the airspace, too.
797
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That is an excellent lesson to learn from this. Thank
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you for your illustration of what happened. And then thanks
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for that great suggestion. It's important that people hear that.
800
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We do have to protect Americans here at home and
801
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:31.309
everywhere else. They could be flying. What a miracle. I
802
00:46:31.349 --> 00:46:34.530
can't wait for the movie. Thank God these people are alive. Buzz,
803
00:46:34.730 --> 00:46:36.090
thank you so much for being here as always. Look
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forward to having you on again real soon.
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My friend. Yes, sir. Thanks so much, David. God bless.
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Press on, dude.
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Thank you. God bless you as well. Coming up, 23%
808
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of Americans say they've had a near-death experience. We're going
809
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to talk about what happens when you die right after this.
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For all of our viewers out there asking where to
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I'm going to try to end the show on something
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a little lighter, maybe something fantastical. Nearly one in four
822
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American adults say they've died or come close enough to
823
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seeing what's on the other side and come back. In
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a poll of 2,100 Americans conducted this spring by the
825
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research firm Sentiment for the International Association for Near-Death Studies,
826
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23% said they've had a near-death experience. Another 35% of
827
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those who haven't say they know somebody who has. And
828
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in a country of nearly 300 million adults, that's tens
829
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of millions of people walking around with a story. Most
830
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of people that they haven't probably told people to work
831
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or church or the dinner table. The group defines this
832
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as a vivid, emotionally intense experience of lucidity, perceiving the
833
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material world from a position outside the physical body and
834
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or perceiving and interacting with beings and environments not of
835
00:48:38.710 --> 00:48:44.329
this material world. Wow. Now, the reports have been remarkably
836
00:48:44.389 --> 00:48:48.099
consistent for 50 years. Since a doctor named Raymond Moody
837
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first put the term in a book in 1975, people
838
00:48:51.219 --> 00:48:54.079
described floating above their own bodies. You've heard about this.
839
00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:57.699
Watching the doctors work, a tunnel of light, relatives who
840
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:01.500
died years earlier waiting, a review of their whole life
841
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:04.960
in an instant, and almost... UNIVERSALLY, A FEELING OF PEACE
842
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:08.340
SO STRONG THAT COMING BACK FELT HARD LIKE A LOSS.
843
00:49:08.989 --> 00:49:12.570
SO WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE BRAIN? SCIENCE DOESN'T HAVE AN ANSWER.
844
00:49:12.949 --> 00:49:16.150
AND THE HONEST RESEARCHERS ADMIT IT. THE COMMON EXPLANATIONS ARE
845
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A BRAIN STARVED OF OXYGEN, A FLOOD OF CHEMICALS AT
846
00:49:19.150 --> 00:49:21.869
THE MOMENT OF DEATH. OR THE MIND CONSTRUCTING A STORY
847
00:49:21.969 --> 00:49:25.630
AFTER THE FACT. But a 2023 study led by Dr.
848
00:49:25.690 --> 00:49:29.550
Sam Parnia at NYU monitored patients during cardiac arrest and
849
00:49:29.590 --> 00:49:33.429
recorded bursts of brain activity, the kind associated with conscious thought,
850
00:49:34.190 --> 00:49:36.949
as much as an hour into CPR in patients who
851
00:49:36.969 --> 00:49:40.130
were clinically dead. Some of those patients later described what
852
00:49:40.170 --> 00:49:43.050
happened in the room. Nobody can explain how a brain
853
00:49:43.090 --> 00:49:46.489
with no blood flow produces organized memories, and nobody can
854
00:49:46.530 --> 00:49:50.230
explain why people from every culture or every religion, no religion,
855
00:49:50.449 --> 00:49:53.349
report it the same way. So is this proof that
856
00:49:53.369 --> 00:49:58.150
the soul survives the body? anyone knows the answer. Well,
857
00:49:58.170 --> 00:50:00.230
if anyone knows the answer to that question, it's my
858
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next guest, Chrissy Newton of The Debrief and host of
859
00:50:04.090 --> 00:50:08.699
Rebelliously Curious podcast. She wrote the piece on this survey. Chrissy,
860
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:10.739
welcome back to David Pollak Prime Time for what I'm
861
00:50:10.780 --> 00:50:13.480
calling Science and Technology Thursday until I come up with
862
00:50:13.500 --> 00:50:16.039
a better name. Now, you proposed this. You said, hey,
863
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:17.969
I wrote this article about life after death. I read it.
864
00:50:18.460 --> 00:50:21.139
This is fascinating stuff because you always hear about that
865
00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:24.780
white tunnel and then what happens after. What does it mean?
866
00:50:24.860 --> 00:50:25.409
Where do we go?
867
00:50:26.769 --> 00:50:28.510
I wish I knew what it means. And it's so
868
00:50:28.610 --> 00:50:30.780
funny you said that today as I was getting ready
869
00:50:30.820 --> 00:50:32.619
this morning. I thought about this. I was like, we
870
00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:36.280
do Tech Thursdays, but we talk about such extravagant ideas
871
00:50:36.340 --> 00:50:39.340
and extravagant concepts that it's just way more than tech.
872
00:50:39.900 --> 00:50:42.489
It's really, they're unbelievable things that are happening right now
873
00:50:42.550 --> 00:50:45.849
in science and tech. But or within these categories. But
874
00:50:46.130 --> 00:50:48.909
with that said, yeah, again, I don't know what's happening
875
00:50:49.050 --> 00:50:51.710
after life after death, but it, there's a lot of
876
00:50:51.750 --> 00:50:54.110
information and there's a lot of studies pointing to that
877
00:50:54.139 --> 00:50:57.780
there is something more than just us living and something
878
00:50:57.820 --> 00:50:58.820
happening after we die.
879
00:50:59.460 --> 00:51:02.719
So what, so, so is it the brain still functioning
880
00:51:02.739 --> 00:51:06.400
in a way that doesn't make sense? Is this the
881
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:08.699
next place, you know, I mean, we talk so much
882
00:51:08.739 --> 00:51:12.980
about UAPs and interdimensional and all the, this just taken
883
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:15.760
as a whole, it just sets up this wacky world
884
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:17.909
as what is the human existence? What is the body
885
00:51:18.110 --> 00:51:19.690
and what's waiting for us on the other side? A
886
00:51:19.730 --> 00:51:22.070
lot of people who are deeply religious, they know what's
887
00:51:22.110 --> 00:51:23.710
waiting for them. And a lot of people who may
888
00:51:23.750 --> 00:51:25.570
not hold those beliefs, they think something else. And some
889
00:51:25.590 --> 00:51:28.510
people think nothing at all, but something happens when you die.
890
00:51:28.530 --> 00:51:29.570
And this is proof of it, right?
891
00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:33.079
Well, I'd say it's it's not maybe not proof, but
892
00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:34.309
we're finding evidence of it.
893
00:51:34.340 --> 00:51:35.000
That's for sure.
894
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:37.099
You know, I don't think we'll really know until we
895
00:51:37.139 --> 00:51:39.300
get there. And I hope it's not anytime soon for
896
00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:42.889
myself or yourself. But I think what we're seeing here
897
00:51:42.969 --> 00:51:46.289
is that potentially of all different religions and cultures, maybe
898
00:51:46.349 --> 00:51:48.530
we all go to a similar place or we have
899
00:51:48.550 --> 00:51:52.269
a similar experience. A lot of people have, after having
900
00:51:52.309 --> 00:51:55.289
a near-death experience or an NED, they have this real
901
00:51:55.349 --> 00:51:58.809
spiritual connection or there's this belief of life after death after,
902
00:51:59.090 --> 00:52:02.070
but it profoundly changes their life currently and the life
903
00:52:02.090 --> 00:52:03.869
that they're living now. And I think that's the most
904
00:52:03.949 --> 00:52:06.389
important aspect of this. We don't know where we go
905
00:52:06.429 --> 00:52:07.909
when we die, but we know the way that we
906
00:52:07.949 --> 00:52:10.670
can control what happens in the world around us today.
907
00:52:10.690 --> 00:52:14.300
And so after having a near-death experience, I think you
908
00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:17.139
start to look at life differently. You look at the
909
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:20.420
way you interact with people, the way you interact with society.
910
00:52:20.900 --> 00:52:23.860
Some people say that when they have a near death experience,
911
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:28.380
this screen pops up. And so it shows a show
912
00:52:28.739 --> 00:52:31.989
of their life and it's just pictures and videos. And
913
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they feel sometimes that they're watching it or they're fully
914
00:52:34.369 --> 00:52:36.869
immersed in it. And they also feel the feelings that
915
00:52:36.909 --> 00:52:39.710
those other people felt if they were doing anything bad
916
00:52:39.750 --> 00:52:42.679
to them or positive to them. And so it could
917
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:45.360
feel like a lifetime watching this, but really it could
918
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be seconds.
919
00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:46.940
Wow.
920
00:52:47.340 --> 00:52:49.550
I mean, that gives, I guess, That's a lot to
921
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think about. I mean, that's why I love these segments.
922
00:52:51.710 --> 00:52:52.849
And we are going to have to come up with
923
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a good name. That's why I love it, because, you know,
924
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it takes a moment to take a step out of
925
00:52:56.469 --> 00:52:59.570
all the craziness, the politics, everything that's going on in
926
00:52:59.630 --> 00:53:01.989
life and go, OK, there's something else out there. And
927
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then for a moment, maybe you could just feel smaller
928
00:53:04.630 --> 00:53:06.809
in a chaotic world and just use your imagination for
929
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a bit. And that's why I love these segments. And
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I appreciate you being here and bringing this to the audience.
931
00:53:10.429 --> 00:53:12.739
I hope everybody goes and reads this article at The Debrief.
932
00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:13.940
Where can they go find this article?
933
00:53:14.820 --> 00:53:16.320
For sure. They can go to TheDebrief.org.
934
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Go look it up. Learn about life after death. Chrissy,
935
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can't wait to talk to you next week. We'll see
936
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what's going on in the universe at that point.
937
00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:24.800
That sounds good, David.
938
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Thank you. Well, that's all the time we have for tonight.
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Be sure to join us tomorrow because it's going to
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be Fired Up Friday. Send in your topics that you
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want Chad Caton to be fired up about. I'm sure
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there's a list of them at this point. You know,
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you can send everything in to us here at David
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Pollak Primetime at OANN.com. We look forward to hearing your
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responses and we'll see. I think we're all fired up
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about the same stuff this week. You've heard me fired up, certainly.
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We'll see you tomorrow. Same time, same place. And until then,
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stay classy, America. Good night.
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