Finding the Winning Message

WEBVTT
1
00:00:10.460 --> 00:00:16.969
We have seven weeks, seven weeks-ish before the midterm elections,
2
00:00:17.010 --> 00:00:19.550
and that's if you're not voting early or voting by
3
00:00:19.609 --> 00:00:22.050
mail or all the million other ways that there is
4
00:00:22.089 --> 00:00:26.539
to vote. And that's when we decide who controls the
5
00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.839
Congress of the United States. It's a big deal. And
6
00:00:30.879 --> 00:00:34.729
there's way more at stake than just that. I know
7
00:00:34.740 --> 00:00:36.829
you hear it all the time, the most consequential election
8
00:00:36.850 --> 00:00:40.270
in history. This truly may be the most consequential midterm
9
00:00:40.310 --> 00:00:44.070
election in American history. And every poll, from every pollster,
10
00:00:44.289 --> 00:00:48.270
left and right, agrees on one thing. This election is
11
00:00:48.310 --> 00:00:51.710
going to be won or lost on one singular issue.
12
00:00:51.729 --> 00:00:56.130
You know what that is, right? the economy, specifically the
13
00:00:56.170 --> 00:00:59.950
cost of your life, prices, affordability, what you actually pay
14
00:00:59.990 --> 00:01:04.049
to get through a week. It's the number one issue
15
00:01:04.150 --> 00:01:08.219
in this country, and it's not even close. 2024, that
16
00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:11.760
worked to Trump's advantage, and probably not just 2024. That
17
00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:16.439
issue helped carry him to victory twice. But right now, tonight,
18
00:01:17.260 --> 00:01:21.040
that ground is contested. And whether The argument is based
19
00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:26.420
on data or not. The country feels like this is
20
00:01:26.459 --> 00:01:29.799
the most important issue. Therefore, it is. And it all
21
00:01:29.859 --> 00:01:33.340
started with Iran, that pesky military conflict in the Middle
22
00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:36.939
East that drove gas prices up. And on top of that, groceries,
23
00:01:37.219 --> 00:01:39.760
they're still biting a little at checkout. Homes have never
24
00:01:39.799 --> 00:01:44.859
been more unaffordable. And interest rates just went up, up.
25
00:01:45.480 --> 00:01:49.590
Not good. And the Democrats, well, they've seized on every
26
00:01:49.890 --> 00:01:53.689
bit of it. They found their entire midterm message. And
27
00:01:53.730 --> 00:01:58.420
it's one word, affordability. Perfect for a socialist, right? And
28
00:01:58.500 --> 00:02:01.180
just as they've done all year, they're hammering it every
29
00:02:01.519 --> 00:02:04.829
single day. Now, the numbers on the economy aren't as
30
00:02:04.969 --> 00:02:08.849
bad as it feels. Wages are rising faster than inflation,
31
00:02:08.870 --> 00:02:11.379
meaning real people are, for the first time in years,
32
00:02:11.409 --> 00:02:14.020
getting ahead instead of falling behind. The inflation that Joe
33
00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:17.159
Biden drove to a 40-year high has been beaten back.
34
00:02:17.740 --> 00:02:20.740
Last month's job report came in nearly triple what the
35
00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:23.740
experts predicted. And as soon as this war is over,
36
00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:27.840
gas prices will plummet lower than they've ever been.
37
00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:28.780
INFLUENCERS.
38
00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:29.919
THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE MORE OIL. AND TODAY,
39
00:02:29.939 --> 00:02:32.819
A HUGE DEAL WITH VENEZUELA AGAIN ANNOUNCED WE ARE IMPORTING
40
00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:37.099
MORE OIL THAN EVER BEFORE FROM VENEZUELA. GAS PRICES WILL
41
00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:42.020
COME DOWN. BUT ALMOST NONE OF IT MATTERS. BECAUSE THAT'S
42
00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:45.879
NOT THE MESSAGE REACHING THE AVERAGE VOTER. AND IT WON'T
43
00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:49.689
BECAUSE A HOSTILE PRESS AND A HANDFUL OF INFLUENCERS TAKES
44
00:02:49.750 --> 00:02:51.710
EVERY ONE OF THOSE GOOD NUMBERS AND BURIES IT UNDER
45
00:02:51.750 --> 00:03:00.400
A MOUNTAIN OF IS IT TAKING CONTROL OVER THE IS
46
00:03:00.469 --> 00:03:05.219
IT TAKING CONTROL OVER THE NARRATIVE AND OWNING IT LIKE
47
00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:06.740
VICE PRESIDENT VANCE DID YESTERDAY?
48
00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:07.599
MAYBE.
49
00:03:08.439 --> 00:03:11.250
MY NEXT GUEST IS A POLLSTER WHO HAS HELPED PRESIDENT
50
00:03:11.289 --> 00:03:18.139
TRUMP ALONG WITH MANY OTHER WORLD This firm, McLaughlin & Associates,
51
00:03:18.180 --> 00:03:21.159
is known as the most accurate in the business. I'm
52
00:03:21.180 --> 00:03:26.099
honored to welcome Polster extraordinaire Jim McLaughlin. Welcome back to
53
00:03:26.120 --> 00:03:28.039
Dave Pollack Prime Time. Do you like the title I've
54
00:03:28.060 --> 00:03:29.250
given you, Polster extraordinaire?
55
00:03:31.340 --> 00:03:33.199
Thank you. And the check's in the mail, David. I
56
00:03:33.199 --> 00:03:33.740
appreciate it.
57
00:03:33.780 --> 00:03:36.580
I'll look for it. Hopefully it's not with the ballot,
58
00:03:36.620 --> 00:03:38.939
because that might end up in somebody else's house. But
59
00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:42.939
let's talk about the economy, because I mean, I'm sure you,
60
00:03:43.099 --> 00:03:45.180
I mean, I'm not going to assume, but I'm assuming
61
00:03:45.659 --> 00:03:47.159
that has to be the number one issue you guys
62
00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:48.020
are tackling over there.
63
00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:52.659
No doubt about it. And it usually is the number
64
00:03:52.740 --> 00:03:55.539
one issue. Doesn't matter whether it's a midterm election or
65
00:03:55.580 --> 00:04:01.159
whether it's a presidential election. Most often, People vote their wallets.
66
00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:05.439
People vote their pocketbooks. And look, we've been seeing this
67
00:04:06.099 --> 00:04:12.580
basically since the summer of 22, where voters have been
68
00:04:12.650 --> 00:04:17.129
telling us because of Joe Biden's horrific inflation, where we
69
00:04:17.189 --> 00:04:22.509
saw record inflation, it's been the number one issue. And
70
00:04:22.930 --> 00:04:26.329
there's no question about it. It's what is on voters' minds.
71
00:04:26.389 --> 00:04:30.629
And I think you made the point during your monologue that,
72
00:04:31.250 --> 00:04:35.500
you know, I really believe because of how socialism is
73
00:04:35.740 --> 00:04:39.519
on the march now, that this truly is the number one,
74
00:04:39.540 --> 00:04:43.829
this is the most important election in my lifetime. I've
75
00:04:43.850 --> 00:04:47.629
been doing this stuff for over 40 years. So, I mean,
76
00:04:47.670 --> 00:04:50.709
just think about it. If you have the El Sayeds
77
00:04:50.769 --> 00:04:55.329
of the world, if they win in a battleground state
78
00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:58.870
like Michigan, The Democrats are going to be telling us
79
00:04:59.009 --> 00:05:03.199
they need to nominate somebody like AOC for president. And
80
00:05:03.379 --> 00:05:05.230
it's really a frightening scenario.
81
00:05:06.220 --> 00:05:09.680
Yeah, and this is probably the perfect timing for them
82
00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:12.120
to take this message, just as you're saying, because if
83
00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:13.899
you're sitting around and you're feeling like, well, look, I
84
00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:16.079
voted for Democrats, then I went and voted for Trump,
85
00:05:16.819 --> 00:05:19.579
my life hasn't gotten any better. Why not? Remember, that
86
00:05:19.610 --> 00:05:23.350
was the whole campaign of 2016. Like, what do you
87
00:05:23.370 --> 00:05:25.990
have to lose at this point? Vote for an outsider.
88
00:05:26.029 --> 00:05:28.449
It can't get worse, right? And this is what the
89
00:05:28.509 --> 00:05:32.189
Democrats are seizing on. They're like, hey, why not try socialism?
90
00:05:32.209 --> 00:05:33.990
What else do you have going for you? Is that
91
00:05:34.050 --> 00:05:34.850
message resonating?
92
00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:40.180
And look, they've got their allies in the media helping
93
00:05:40.220 --> 00:05:44.060
them with that message. I mean, just think what happened
94
00:05:44.500 --> 00:05:47.319
over the last couple of days. We didn't get some
95
00:05:47.819 --> 00:05:53.620
good economic news. We got some great economic news. GDP
96
00:05:53.750 --> 00:05:58.350
during the last quarter, the economy grew by over 5%.
97
00:05:58.350 --> 00:06:01.550
In spite of the Iran conflict, it grew over 5%. Oh,
98
00:06:01.589 --> 00:06:07.889
by the way, Median household incomes, they're at record highs
99
00:06:07.970 --> 00:06:12.050
right now, nearly $ 90, 000 for your typical family of four.
100
00:06:12.829 --> 00:06:16.279
And oh, by the way, the poverty rate is the
101
00:06:16.500 --> 00:06:20.300
lowest level, according to the census, according to the census,
102
00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:24.639
government agency says the poverty rate is the lowest rate
103
00:06:25.019 --> 00:06:28.709
ever recorded. And you know who did the best? Whose
104
00:06:29.009 --> 00:06:33.750
incomes rose the most? Blacks and Hispanics. Yet you don't
105
00:06:33.810 --> 00:06:37.750
hear any of this from the mainstream media. And obviously,
106
00:06:37.870 --> 00:06:40.230
all you hear from the Democrats is they're trying to
107
00:06:40.290 --> 00:06:44.480
talk down the economy. But when you do the contrast,
108
00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:48.399
when you do the choice of where Republicans are on
109
00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:51.899
the issue of the economy and of the issue of inflation,
110
00:06:52.439 --> 00:06:56.360
they overwhelmingly support what the Republicans want to do, where
111
00:06:56.379 --> 00:06:59.949
they want lower taxes. They want to cut the waste,
112
00:06:59.990 --> 00:07:03.209
fraud and abuse. They want to get rid of the regulations,
113
00:07:03.269 --> 00:07:07.100
make us energy independence. They overwhelmingly support that versus the
114
00:07:07.139 --> 00:07:10.319
Democrats who want to give us the largest tax increase
115
00:07:10.540 --> 00:07:13.620
in American history. And they want to increase all this
116
00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:15.829
crazy deficit and debt spending.
117
00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:18.920
Yeah, and I completely agree with you. I've been talking
118
00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:21.139
about that on the show and on social media. I
119
00:07:21.180 --> 00:07:23.759
keep hitting the facts, the facts, the facts, because, you know,
120
00:07:23.810 --> 00:07:26.850
in a sea of people posting gas pumps and, oh,
121
00:07:26.889 --> 00:07:28.550
this isn't what I voted for, I keep going, here
122
00:07:28.569 --> 00:07:30.350
are the facts, here are the facts, here are the facts. And,
123
00:07:30.370 --> 00:07:32.509
you know, you've heard that cliche, the facts don't care
124
00:07:32.550 --> 00:07:35.110
about your feelings. Well, it's just the opposite, really. The
125
00:07:35.149 --> 00:07:38.310
feelings don't care about the facts with respect to this economy.
126
00:07:38.350 --> 00:07:40.620
And that's what you're seeing in your polling, right? That
127
00:07:40.709 --> 00:07:42.180
even though those numbers are out there, we have a
128
00:07:42.199 --> 00:07:44.920
dishonest news media. We have social media influencers that are
129
00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:48.959
dishonestly presenting information. So how do we bridge that gap?
130
00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:50.720
How do we fight the fake news? How do we
131
00:07:50.800 --> 00:07:55.480
fight the fake influencers with these facts that seemingly are
132
00:07:55.879 --> 00:07:57.540
isolated from people's feelings?
133
00:07:59.139 --> 00:08:01.759
And you're exactly right, too, by the way. You mentioned it.
134
00:08:01.870 --> 00:08:05.550
Next week, In three states, they're going to start voting.
135
00:08:05.949 --> 00:08:08.790
You know, ballots are going to start going out. So,
136
00:08:09.290 --> 00:08:11.709
you know, we don't even have the seven weeks left
137
00:08:11.769 --> 00:08:14.560
that some people tell us because early voting is getting started,
138
00:08:14.569 --> 00:08:17.399
especially in a lot of these blue states. But there's
139
00:08:17.420 --> 00:08:21.000
some very interesting scenarios that's going on out there. Like,
140
00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:26.100
I'm working on races from, you know, Maine to California.
141
00:08:26.699 --> 00:08:30.769
And we're seeing in places like both California and New
142
00:08:30.810 --> 00:08:34.870
York where the Republicans are doing exceedingly well, like where
143
00:08:34.889 --> 00:08:38.789
the Republicans have a really good candidate, Bruce Blakeman, running
144
00:08:38.870 --> 00:08:43.820
against Kathy Hochul's failures and extremism. Republicans are doing really well.
145
00:08:43.860 --> 00:08:46.860
We have members of Congress there, like Mike Lawler in
146
00:08:46.899 --> 00:08:50.929
New York 17, who has his own brand And he
147
00:08:50.990 --> 00:08:54.669
talks about the economy and pocketbook economic issues all the time.
148
00:08:55.129 --> 00:08:59.129
He's doing really well in a district where Democrats outnumber
149
00:08:59.149 --> 00:09:03.250
Republicans by about 15, 16 points. So we're seeing these
150
00:09:03.309 --> 00:09:08.580
successful campaigns. And look, it's so important to talk to
151
00:09:08.600 --> 00:09:13.240
the voters about that contrast, about all the crazy, insane
152
00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:16.139
things that these Democrats support. I mean, just think about it.
153
00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:21.259
And no question, We have an affordability problem in this country. And,
154
00:09:21.820 --> 00:09:24.799
you know, you talked about before how we were President
155
00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:29.279
Trump's pollster back in 2016. We did his polling in 2020. Oh,
156
00:09:29.320 --> 00:09:32.220
by the way, when we were running his campaign after
157
00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:35.279
he'd been president for four years, we weren't even asking
158
00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:39.379
about affordability and inflation in the surveys. Why? Because it
159
00:09:39.419 --> 00:09:42.279
wasn't an issue to voters. When he left office, even
160
00:09:42.320 --> 00:09:47.860
in spite of COVID, the inflation rate was only at 1.4%.
161
00:09:47.860 --> 00:09:52.669
But what happens is all these crazy economic policies, the spending,
162
00:09:53.149 --> 00:09:58.889
the anti-energy policies, all their regulations, they made inflation the
163
00:09:59.029 --> 00:10:01.919
issue again. And they're really good, by the way, at
164
00:10:02.639 --> 00:10:06.779
blaming the Republicans for the problems that they caused.
165
00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:11.570
Yeah, and I love what you said that's in the messaging.
166
00:10:11.610 --> 00:10:14.350
You highlight those races, and I think that is the
167
00:10:14.389 --> 00:10:17.970
winning message. The winning message is, hey, guys, yes, affordability
168
00:10:18.049 --> 00:10:20.490
is an issue. The media is going to hammer affordability.
169
00:10:20.529 --> 00:10:22.110
Here's the good news, but don't just listen to the
170
00:10:22.149 --> 00:10:24.460
good news, because what you're asking somebody is to not
171
00:10:24.500 --> 00:10:27.360
trust their lying eyes, that, yeah, you're hurting, but it's
172
00:10:27.419 --> 00:10:29.620
not real. But what you just said, I think, is
173
00:10:29.659 --> 00:10:32.220
the secret sauce, because what you said is, No, look
174
00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:35.919
at these races where Republicans are articulating this messaging. They're
175
00:10:35.950 --> 00:10:38.629
doing well. I think if you show people that we're
176
00:10:38.690 --> 00:10:40.830
not losing, because I think that's really what's at the
177
00:10:40.850 --> 00:10:43.590
heart of affordability. It's not that they're highlighting, but it
178
00:10:43.690 --> 00:10:46.330
is that they're highlighting things are expensive. But what they're
179
00:10:46.370 --> 00:10:48.500
doing with that is saying this is why Republicans are
180
00:10:48.509 --> 00:10:50.700
going to lose. And I think something that's way more
181
00:10:50.740 --> 00:10:53.960
powerful than just the messaging on affordability is is convincing
182
00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:57.200
the home team that their team is losing. Because then
183
00:10:57.240 --> 00:10:59.419
you leave the game, right? You leave the game early
184
00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:01.419
because you think the game is already over. So what
185
00:11:01.460 --> 00:11:03.679
you just said is, no, no, no, no, there's still
186
00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:06.000
time on the clock and we're actually putting points on
187
00:11:06.019 --> 00:11:06.600
the board, right?
188
00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:11.519
Without a doubt. And look, they've just really started the
189
00:11:11.620 --> 00:11:14.980
bulk of the spending that's going on with President Trump's
190
00:11:15.059 --> 00:11:18.360
political operation out there. And what they're doing is they're
191
00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:23.580
running issue-oriented ads. And in a lot of these campaigns,
192
00:11:23.649 --> 00:11:27.580
we're pointing out the extremism. We're pointing out, and like, look,
193
00:11:27.980 --> 00:11:32.139
we used to run conservative versus liberal. These people, they're
194
00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:34.580
flat out Marxists when it's all said and done. You
195
00:11:34.600 --> 00:11:38.129
look at the Angie Nixons of the world, the El Sayed, Tallarico,
196
00:11:38.590 --> 00:11:41.850
he's a socialist too, only he's smart enough not to
197
00:11:41.929 --> 00:11:45.549
admit that he's actually a socialist. And one of the
198
00:11:45.590 --> 00:11:48.919
things we did in our last national survey was You know,
199
00:11:48.940 --> 00:11:53.129
we tested the typical generic ballot question for Congress, Republican
200
00:11:53.169 --> 00:11:57.190
versus Democrat, and the Democrats had a five-point lead on that.
201
00:11:57.629 --> 00:12:01.419
But when we make it about a Republican who supports
202
00:12:01.500 --> 00:12:07.610
free market capitalism versus a Democrat who supports big government
203
00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:13.200
socialism— The Republican has a seven-point advantage. And Newt Gingrich
204
00:12:13.220 --> 00:12:17.179
has done some great polling on this. And when, you know, voters,
205
00:12:18.019 --> 00:12:23.370
nearly two-thirds of voters have negative opinions of big government socialism,
206
00:12:23.750 --> 00:12:26.769
and that's where the Democrats are. So we need to
207
00:12:26.850 --> 00:12:29.450
let them know that that's what's going on here. And look,
208
00:12:29.870 --> 00:12:33.149
the press, even it's, I mean, think about this. In
209
00:12:33.350 --> 00:12:39.049
one year, okay, Joe Biden gave us 9% inflation. One year, 9%.
210
00:12:39.049 --> 00:12:41.070
You want to talk about things that are going to
211
00:12:41.429 --> 00:12:46.429
destroy and bankrupt Social Security? It's 9% inflation. And what
212
00:12:46.500 --> 00:12:51.019
happened there was literally the Democrats were telling us and
213
00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:53.700
their allies, oh, it's transient. It's transient.
214
00:12:53.840 --> 00:12:55.539
It wasn't transient.
215
00:12:55.600 --> 00:12:58.620
Yeah, I remember that, transient. It was transient. People were
216
00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:01.000
looking up the word in the dictionary. They said, ah,
217
00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:03.620
don't worry about it. It's not going to last. Trust me.
218
00:13:04.129 --> 00:13:07.049
This is not going to last, this slight blip. And
219
00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:10.519
in spite of it, we're getting some really good news
220
00:13:10.899 --> 00:13:13.539
on the economy, not the least of which is the
221
00:13:13.580 --> 00:13:17.799
poverty rate going down, income levels at record highs, and
222
00:13:18.299 --> 00:13:21.879
a 5% GDP rate, which people say, oh, that wouldn't happen.
223
00:13:21.980 --> 00:13:24.990
What's that a result of? It's a result of President
224
00:13:25.009 --> 00:13:27.549
Trump's policies and the working families' tax cuts.
225
00:13:28.190 --> 00:13:30.570
Jim McLaughlin, that's why I love having you on. Such
226
00:13:30.590 --> 00:13:33.649
an optimist, and you have the numbers to back up
227
00:13:34.029 --> 00:13:37.120
your optimism. That's for everybody to hear at home. We
228
00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:39.159
are going to win this thing. Get out there. Drag
229
00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:42.279
your neighbors. Vote, vote, vote. Let's keep the House. Jim,
230
00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:43.620
thank you so much for being here, as always.
231
00:13:44.659 --> 00:13:47.139
Thank you, and you're exactly right, David. The stakes are
232
00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:47.840
just too high.
233
00:13:48.379 --> 00:13:52.690
Thank you for being here. Still ahead, the FBI raids
234
00:13:52.909 --> 00:13:57.250
Los Angeles and busts an alleged scheme to steal millions
235
00:13:57.289 --> 00:14:00.100
of dollars for programs that were intended to help the homeless.
236
00:14:00.429 --> 00:14:04.000
Former FBI agent Chris Hinkle is here with the details. Then,
237
00:14:04.460 --> 00:14:08.379
why is a teacher's union fighting in court to keep
238
00:14:08.840 --> 00:14:11.759
the government from knowing who's driving your child's school bus?
239
00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:13.759
You're not going to want to miss that story. And
240
00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:17.330
the debut of Technology Thursday. China just approved the commercial
241
00:14:17.419 --> 00:14:20.210
use of a computer brain interface. Chrissy Newton joins me
242
00:14:20.370 --> 00:14:22.970
with a preview of the terrifying future. Stay with us.
243
00:14:30.330 --> 00:14:32.149
For all of our viewers out there asking where to
244
00:14:32.190 --> 00:14:34.870
watch One America News, we'd like to introduce you to
245
00:14:35.029 --> 00:14:37.730
OAN Live. OAN Live is the best way to stay
246
00:14:37.850 --> 00:14:39.990
up to date on the hardest hitting news and our
247
00:14:40.009 --> 00:14:42.610
talk shows. And the best part is OAN Live is
248
00:14:42.649 --> 00:14:47.450
only $ 4. 99 per month. Credible, honest, and unbiased reporting at
249
00:14:47.490 --> 00:14:49.929
a fraction of the cost of cable. So just click
250
00:14:49.970 --> 00:14:53.429
on the link at the top of our homepage, OANN.com,
251
00:14:53.450 --> 00:14:56.250
to easily sign up for the news and conservative talk
252
00:14:56.429 --> 00:14:57.730
you can't get anywhere else.
253
00:15:06.519 --> 00:15:13.740
From child leering centers to homeless people, fraud has no
254
00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:19.100
moral boundaries, it seems. Yesterday morning, in a series of
255
00:15:19.159 --> 00:15:22.960
dramatic raids across Los Angeles, FBI agents in tactical gear
256
00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:26.580
descended on the homes of people accused of one of
257
00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:29.740
the most cynical crimes imaginable, stealing money meant to help
258
00:15:29.840 --> 00:15:35.059
people living on the streets. Federal prosecutors charged three people
259
00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:39.149
with diverting roughly $ 12 million in taxpayer funds, money that
260
00:15:39.169 --> 00:15:41.529
was supposed to get the most desperate people in that
261
00:15:41.590 --> 00:15:47.440
city off the streets. They pocketed it for themselves. FBI
262
00:15:47.460 --> 00:15:53.100
Director Kash Patel put it plainly, saying, these defendants are
263
00:15:53.139 --> 00:15:55.909
accused of diverting over $ 10 million in taxpayer funds for
264
00:15:55.970 --> 00:15:59.190
personal gain, stealing from a homeless support fund. Thanks to
265
00:15:59.230 --> 00:16:02.830
President Trump's leadership, fraud no longer has a safe haven
266
00:16:02.850 --> 00:16:08.450
in America. And the details are hard to believe. The
267
00:16:08.490 --> 00:16:13.340
man prosecutors call the ringleader here, Michael Young, founder of
268
00:16:13.379 --> 00:16:17.399
a nonprofit called Home at Last, ironically, well, he ran
269
00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:20.360
an organization that took in more than $ 118 million in
270
00:16:20.419 --> 00:16:24.159
public money since 2019. Its mission was to house the homeless.
271
00:16:25.059 --> 00:16:28.039
But instead, prosecutors allege Young built a web of shell companies.
272
00:16:28.090 --> 00:16:31.750
He secretly controlled, funneled the money to himself and misused
273
00:16:31.789 --> 00:16:35.269
around $ 7. 5 million of it. And what they did with
274
00:16:35.289 --> 00:16:39.379
that money? Well, they bought luxury trips to Tahiti, vintage cars,
275
00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:42.480
commercial real estate. I'm not making this up. More than
276
00:16:42.500 --> 00:16:44.460
a million dollars of it went to open a nightclub
277
00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:49.039
in an adjoining bingo hall in Inglewood. A second defendant,
278
00:16:49.059 --> 00:16:52.289
an employee at another homeless nonprofit, he's charged with taking
279
00:16:52.309 --> 00:16:57.909
more than $ 180, 000 in bribes to funnel ghost clients, people
280
00:16:57.950 --> 00:17:01.230
who never actually lived at the sites, into housing programs
281
00:17:01.250 --> 00:17:04.369
so fraud could keep billing. Third defendant, prosecutors say, lied
282
00:17:04.410 --> 00:17:07.269
about his experience to land more than a million dollars
283
00:17:07.339 --> 00:17:09.730
in grant money, then spend it on his own bail
284
00:17:09.799 --> 00:17:13.380
in a domestic violence case, his credit card debt, and
285
00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:17.099
video games. He's still at large. And this is only
286
00:17:17.220 --> 00:17:21.460
the beginning. First Assistant U.S. Attorney Bill Assail said that
287
00:17:21.559 --> 00:17:25.460
if you have stolen money meant for the homeless, in
288
00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:28.000
his words, your door may be the next one we're
289
00:17:28.019 --> 00:17:31.390
going to kick in. BECAUSE WHAT THE FBI HAS UNCOVERED
290
00:17:31.430 --> 00:17:33.250
HERE IS WHAT HAPPENS IN A CITY, IN A STATE,
291
00:17:33.289 --> 00:17:36.369
RUN BY ENTIRELY ONE PARTY, WHERE THE MONEY FOR THE
292
00:17:36.410 --> 00:17:39.230
MOST VULNERABLE GETS SHOVELED OUT THE DOOR BY HUNDREDS OF
293
00:17:39.309 --> 00:17:42.079
MILLIONS AND ALMOST NOBODY CHECKS WHERE A SINGLE DOLLAR OF
294
00:17:42.150 --> 00:17:43.660
IT LANDS, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT HER AND THE
295
00:17:43.700 --> 00:17:46.759
GUY IN CHARGE. Now, my next guest spent 25 years
296
00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:50.210
at the FBI chasing exactly this kind of fraud and corruption.
297
00:17:50.650 --> 00:17:52.869
Join me now to discuss how deep this fraud goes.
298
00:17:52.930 --> 00:17:56.849
Retired FBI Supervisory Special Agent Chris Henkel. Welcome, David Pollak,
299
00:17:56.869 --> 00:17:59.460
Prime Time. Look, we started hearing about fraud about a
300
00:17:59.500 --> 00:18:03.119
year ago. And blue states primarily because they're not doing
301
00:18:03.140 --> 00:18:06.099
anything to stop it. If it benefits them, California might
302
00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:08.019
be the epicenter of the fraud. And now here are
303
00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:10.660
the latest bust in homeless fraud. And if you go
304
00:18:10.819 --> 00:18:14.920
anywhere in California, you see dozens of these homeless programs,
305
00:18:15.190 --> 00:18:18.750
but yet dozens of homeless people everywhere with nowhere to go.
306
00:18:18.849 --> 00:18:21.890
So obviously something's wrong. Tell me about this latest case.
307
00:18:23.420 --> 00:18:27.059
Well, as you mentioned, the founder of this company took
308
00:18:27.140 --> 00:18:32.930
in about $ 118 million allegedly and diverted it to about $ 7. 5
309
00:18:32.329 --> 00:18:35.869
to $ 12 million into real estate, travel, and a nightclub.
310
00:18:36.369 --> 00:18:40.109
And then the one you mentioned earlier took bribes for
311
00:18:40.230 --> 00:18:43.599
fake ghost clients, people that weren't there. And a third
312
00:18:43.650 --> 00:18:46.480
spent the grant money on those personal bills. A fourth
313
00:18:46.599 --> 00:18:50.069
has already pleaded guilty in pocketing $ 2 million. One of
314
00:18:50.089 --> 00:18:53.890
the phrases that we use often when we're dealing with groups,
315
00:18:54.150 --> 00:18:57.890
rings of activity, is we tell them the first bad
316
00:18:57.930 --> 00:19:00.809
guy on the good guy bus gets the best seat.
317
00:19:01.009 --> 00:19:03.029
So you'll probably see a lot of these people start
318
00:19:03.130 --> 00:19:08.140
flipping in hopes of gaining some type of advantage in court.
319
00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:11.819
But it is something that definitely needed to be addressed.
320
00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:14.279
The change that we have now as an administration and
321
00:19:14.299 --> 00:19:17.339
a Department of Justice that actually pushes forward with going
322
00:19:17.460 --> 00:19:19.000
after and holding these people accountable.
323
00:19:19.700 --> 00:19:23.039
And that's the most important part, right? Because this alleged
324
00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:27.180
fraud in California has been going on for a long time,
325
00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:29.390
especially under Gavin Newsom. I mean, it seems every day
326
00:19:29.410 --> 00:19:32.609
there's a new story of alleged fraud coming out of California.
327
00:19:32.890 --> 00:19:34.309
It was so bad, in fact, that they had to
328
00:19:34.349 --> 00:19:37.809
pass a law keeping independent journalists from reporting on the fraud.
329
00:19:38.089 --> 00:19:41.190
That's their solution to it. Instead of stopping it, how
330
00:19:41.309 --> 00:19:43.250
deep does the fraud in California go?
331
00:19:44.470 --> 00:19:48.490
Well, sunlight's always the best disinfectant, and a 2025 review
332
00:19:48.549 --> 00:19:56.099
flagged about $ 2. 3 billion in poorly tracked L.A. funds. And
333
00:19:56.180 --> 00:19:59.339
Housing and Urban Development, HUD, just suspended the main local
334
00:19:59.420 --> 00:20:04.009
agency for unverified sites and conflicts. Fast money plus weak
335
00:20:04.049 --> 00:20:07.690
controls equals predictable fraud. The problem that we have and
336
00:20:07.710 --> 00:20:11.930
the difference in going after these states that misuse or
337
00:20:11.970 --> 00:20:15.210
have poor accountability of their HUD funds that's different from
338
00:20:15.309 --> 00:20:18.289
private citizens. I've worked a number of cases where we
339
00:20:18.309 --> 00:20:22.519
go after individual citizens and if they've committed some type
340
00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:26.200
of fraud or they've used the money for criminal activity,
341
00:20:26.259 --> 00:20:28.940
we freeze all of their assets. We don't allow them
342
00:20:28.980 --> 00:20:32.480
to touch anything until it can be sorted out. Unfortunately,
343
00:20:32.500 --> 00:20:34.589
when you're dealing with these states, they work through the
344
00:20:34.670 --> 00:20:37.160
courts and They try to say, well, we have our
345
00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:40.400
oversight in place. They do everything they can to keep
346
00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:43.259
that money flowing. I'm hoping that we're going to get
347
00:20:43.500 --> 00:20:47.539
more accountability. The ultimate accountability needs to come from our
348
00:20:47.579 --> 00:20:50.779
elected representatives. They need to start holding these people accountable.
349
00:20:51.279 --> 00:20:53.359
I've confronted a number of them, and I do it
350
00:20:53.420 --> 00:20:56.940
civilly and cogently, but I've asked them, hey, a lot
351
00:20:56.980 --> 00:20:59.539
of money has been sent into the federal government. You
352
00:20:59.579 --> 00:21:02.589
gave this federal money, whether it's to the states or
353
00:21:02.619 --> 00:21:05.970
you gave it to an OGA or a lot of
354
00:21:06.009 --> 00:21:09.210
this money, you're required to check in on it. Why
355
00:21:09.250 --> 00:21:11.019
didn't you check in on it? And if you thought
356
00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:13.160
that there was fraud, and I hear you talk about fraud,
357
00:21:13.500 --> 00:21:15.119
why didn't you just cut it off until we get
358
00:21:15.140 --> 00:21:17.099
a handle on it? That's what we do in most
359
00:21:17.140 --> 00:21:20.180
of our investigations dealing with private citizens. I'd like to
360
00:21:20.220 --> 00:21:22.029
see something like that go to these states where we
361
00:21:22.069 --> 00:21:23.069
just shut the money off.
362
00:21:23.730 --> 00:21:27.829
Now, on that, because... Look, a criminal enterprise is a
363
00:21:27.930 --> 00:21:30.769
criminal enterprise, and a conspiracy is a conspiracy. And like
364
00:21:30.789 --> 00:21:33.190
you mentioned, you start squeezing people, and then you go
365
00:21:33.369 --> 00:21:35.480
higher and higher and higher to find out who's really
366
00:21:35.500 --> 00:21:38.299
to blame. Now, you look at a state like California, well,
367
00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:40.559
there's one guy holding the bag right now. His name's
368
00:21:40.599 --> 00:21:43.740
Gavin Newsom. If he knew this fraud was happening, went
369
00:21:43.839 --> 00:21:46.960
out of his way to hide the fraud, passed laws
370
00:21:47.009 --> 00:21:50.789
to keep people from uncovering it, at what point does
371
00:21:50.849 --> 00:21:54.849
he become... criminally liable for allowing the fraud to take place?
372
00:21:54.910 --> 00:21:55.690
Is it even possible?
373
00:21:57.309 --> 00:21:57.730
You know, I.
374
00:21:59.319 --> 00:22:02.240
Always try to think that it is always possible, but
375
00:22:02.539 --> 00:22:04.940
often it is not. We see too many of these
376
00:22:05.019 --> 00:22:09.220
elected representatives, these state and local representatives that just seem
377
00:22:09.259 --> 00:22:12.509
to get away with it when local individuals seem to
378
00:22:12.549 --> 00:22:16.130
get charged and pulled aside. I think this is a
379
00:22:16.150 --> 00:22:18.710
little bit different now. We've got a DOJ that's focused
380
00:22:18.789 --> 00:22:22.069
on this fraud. You've got the FBI that's actually highlighting
381
00:22:22.150 --> 00:22:25.109
it with their top 10 fraudsters and taking these people
382
00:22:25.170 --> 00:22:27.670
off the streets. The people want to see that their
383
00:22:27.710 --> 00:22:30.890
money is being spent wisely because it is confiscated from
384
00:22:30.910 --> 00:22:33.569
the citizens and then given to somebody else. And if
385
00:22:33.609 --> 00:22:36.230
we're giving it to somebody else and you're saying it's
386
00:22:36.269 --> 00:22:39.319
for some altruistic reason, we do need to have some
387
00:22:39.359 --> 00:22:40.440
checks and balances at.
388
00:22:40.410 --> 00:22:41.900
Figuring out why that's the case.
389
00:22:42.380 --> 00:22:44.500
If not, the first place you should go is to
390
00:22:44.519 --> 00:22:47.920
your elected representative and civilly and cogently confront them on it.
391
00:22:48.220 --> 00:22:49.440
Hey, what are you doing about this?
392
00:22:49.700 --> 00:22:51.789
And I don't want to hear anything about task forces
393
00:22:52.190 --> 00:22:56.150
or independent commissions or something. I elected you. What are
394
00:22:56.170 --> 00:22:58.710
you doing about it? You're representing me and you're representing
395
00:22:58.750 --> 00:23:02.650
my funds. Start there and work your way out. Eventually,
396
00:23:02.710 --> 00:23:05.730
if we get enough traction in with our elected representatives,
397
00:23:05.779 --> 00:23:08.339
we can see some accountability. Right now, we're going to
398
00:23:08.359 --> 00:23:11.180
be beholden to just the, probably the last two years
399
00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:14.160
that we've got President Trump in office and this DOJ
400
00:23:14.220 --> 00:23:17.349
before Things change again, whether we get a Democrat or
401
00:23:17.390 --> 00:23:20.170
another Republican. Even another Republican is probably going to do
402
00:23:20.230 --> 00:23:22.309
things a different way. You're going to have a turnover
403
00:23:22.369 --> 00:23:24.900
in DOJ. There's no guarantee that we're going to get
404
00:23:24.940 --> 00:23:28.519
things done. The people want to see accountability. They want
405
00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:31.220
to see people in handcuffs. They want to see money recovered.
406
00:23:31.640 --> 00:23:34.220
That is an important message, especially going to midterms and
407
00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:36.849
even in 2028. You know, every single election season, you
408
00:23:36.869 --> 00:23:39.819
seem to never find a shortage of Democrats saying, you know,
409
00:23:40.019 --> 00:23:42.390
you're not helping these people. You're not putting enough money
410
00:23:42.430 --> 00:23:46.000
into Medicaid, Medicare, into homelessness, into all of these programs
411
00:23:46.019 --> 00:23:47.980
that they say we're not putting enough money into. Well,
412
00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:51.000
it turns out the money's there. It's just being misappropriated.
413
00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:53.859
And our elected officials, the ones that are complaining we're
414
00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:56.119
not funding these programs, are looking the other way when
415
00:23:56.160 --> 00:23:58.259
it seems to benefit their campaign. So thank you for
416
00:23:58.279 --> 00:24:00.279
all the hard work. Thank you for your service in
417
00:24:00.299 --> 00:24:02.180
the FBI. And thank you for coming on the show
418
00:24:02.200 --> 00:24:03.240
and talking about this important issue.
419
00:24:04.059 --> 00:24:04.539
Thanks for having me.
420
00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:05.039
Thank you.
421
00:24:06.019 --> 00:24:10.420
Coming up, a teacher's union, a teacher's union joins a
422
00:24:10.460 --> 00:24:15.720
lawsuit to block the government from finding out whether illegal
423
00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:19.700
aliens have commercial driver's licenses and driving the buses your
424
00:24:19.720 --> 00:24:23.970
kids are on. Why do they want illegal aliens driving buses?
425
00:24:24.430 --> 00:24:26.630
We ask that question next.
426
00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:35.640
For all of our viewers out there asking where to
427
00:24:35.680 --> 00:24:38.369
watch One America News, we'd like to introduce you to
428
00:24:38.549 --> 00:24:41.230
OAN Live. OAN Live is the best way to stay
429
00:24:41.349 --> 00:24:43.970
up to date on the hardest-hitting news and our talk shows.
430
00:24:44.390 --> 00:24:49.549
And the best part is, OAN Live is only $ 4. 99
431
00:24:47.390 --> 00:24:51.410
per month. Credible, honest, and unbiased reporting at a fraction
432
00:24:51.430 --> 00:24:53.650
of the cost of cable. So just click on the
433
00:24:53.690 --> 00:24:57.470
link at the top of our homepage, oann.com, to easily
434
00:24:57.509 --> 00:25:00.329
sign up for the news and conservative talk you can't
435
00:25:00.390 --> 00:25:01.210
get anywhere else.
436
00:25:10.009 --> 00:25:15.069
Do you remember when teachers unions were concerned with education? Well,
437
00:25:15.210 --> 00:25:19.769
it's 2026 and apparently teachers unions, or one in particular,
438
00:25:20.390 --> 00:25:24.730
is fighting to keep the government from finding out, you
439
00:25:24.759 --> 00:25:29.740
ready for this? Who's driving your child's school bus? That's right.
440
00:25:30.420 --> 00:25:35.940
This week, the American Federation of Teachers, Randy Weingarten's union,
441
00:25:36.660 --> 00:25:38.990
she's a woman by the way, ONE OF THE MOST
442
00:25:39.130 --> 00:25:43.849
POWERFUL LEFT-WING ORGANIZATIONS IN THIS COUNTRY, WELL, SHE JUMPED INTO
443
00:25:43.890 --> 00:25:47.220
A FEDERAL LAWSUIT, AND THE GOAL OF THAT LAWSUIT IS
444
00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:51.799
TO STOP THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION FROM GETTING ITS HANDS ON
445
00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:57.039
THE NATIONAL DATABASE OF COMMERCIAL DRIVERS. 17 MILLION OF THEM.
446
00:25:57.859 --> 00:26:00.259
EVERY AMERICAN WHO HOLDS A LICENSE TO DRIVE A TRUCK,
447
00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:08.140
A BIG RIG OR A BUS. Well, for really one simple,
448
00:26:08.579 --> 00:26:12.240
very important common sense reason, and that's to find the
449
00:26:12.299 --> 00:26:16.390
people who are operating heavy machinery, heavy vehicles in this country,
450
00:26:16.450 --> 00:26:19.410
the kids who are driving your kids around, who are
451
00:26:19.470 --> 00:26:22.349
not supposed to be in this country. That's right. Illegal
452
00:26:22.430 --> 00:26:28.250
aliens driving heavy trucks and your kids. This is part
453
00:26:28.369 --> 00:26:32.069
of TRANSPORTATION SECRETARY SEAN DUFFY'S CRACKDOWN ON WHAT ARE CALLED
454
00:26:32.430 --> 00:26:37.299
NON-DOMICILED COMMERCIAL LICENSES, LICENSES THAT UNDER THE LAST ADMINISTRATION'S OPEN
455
00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:40.339
BORDER POLICIES WERE HANDED OUT BY THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS.
456
00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:44.740
THE GOVERNMENT IS MOVING TO PULL NEARLY 200,000 OF THEM
457
00:26:44.980 --> 00:26:49.000
TO MAKE OUR ROADS SAFER. Duffy has been closing trucking
458
00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:52.119
schools that graduate drivers who can't read a road sign
459
00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:56.920
in English. And now he wants the records to find
460
00:26:56.960 --> 00:27:00.940
the illegal aliens holding commercial licenses, some of whom he
461
00:27:00.980 --> 00:27:04.660
warns could be driving a school bus full of children
462
00:27:05.059 --> 00:27:09.400
right now on the roads. Standing in the way in
463
00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:15.940
a courtroom are the teachers? Really? Randy Weingarten says this
464
00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:19.660
is about privacy. Does she care about the privacy of
465
00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:24.890
a truck driver? That her members who drive buses deserve
466
00:27:24.910 --> 00:27:26.680
to have their information protected?
467
00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:27.400
What?
468
00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:32.549
So we shouldn't check their backgrounds either? And Secretary Duffy,
469
00:27:32.910 --> 00:27:35.950
who put out an ad on this very fight this week,
470
00:27:36.009 --> 00:27:40.920
says it's about something else entirely, protecting illegal aliens. That's
471
00:27:40.940 --> 00:27:42.819
what they want to do. Who should never have had
472
00:27:42.859 --> 00:27:45.200
these driver's licenses in the first place? This is about
473
00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:50.890
socialist teachers' unions protecting illegal aliens. Sanctuary school buses. It's
474
00:27:50.930 --> 00:27:55.630
about sanctuary school buses, people. So you decide which explanation
475
00:27:55.670 --> 00:27:57.619
makes more sense, the union that is supposed to be
476
00:27:57.680 --> 00:28:01.019
focused on educating your kids. They've decided that keeping the
477
00:28:01.059 --> 00:28:04.140
federal government from knowing who's driving your kids is more
478
00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:08.940
important than the safety of them. Seriously. Joining me now
479
00:28:09.059 --> 00:28:13.769
for analysis is Angela Morabito, spokesperson for the Defense of
480
00:28:13.849 --> 00:28:19.609
Freedom Institute. I say this story, and I would be shocked,
481
00:28:20.349 --> 00:28:23.269
but I'm not shocked. What do you have to say
482
00:28:23.329 --> 00:28:25.970
about this insane story that teachers unions want to protect
483
00:28:26.029 --> 00:28:27.349
illegal aliens driving our kids?
484
00:28:28.650 --> 00:28:31.420
It breaks my heart. I'm so grateful to you, David,
485
00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:34.700
for covering this story because every parent in America should know.
486
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:37.220
And hey, if you're one of like the 11 people
487
00:28:37.299 --> 00:28:40.630
left in America who still thought teacher union bosses might
488
00:28:40.690 --> 00:28:45.309
care about kids, this right here needs to remove all doubt.
489
00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:48.599
They are here to play politics. They are trying to
490
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:52.160
protect illegal immigrants who have no business being behind the
491
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:54.750
wheel of a large vehicle, let alone one that is
492
00:28:54.849 --> 00:28:59.009
full of children. It is a matter of children's safety
493
00:28:59.049 --> 00:29:03.029
that Secretary Duffy wins this fight and teacher unions lose,
494
00:29:03.470 --> 00:29:05.440
or else we're still not going to know who is
495
00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:08.700
driving our school buses and whether children's safety is at risk.
496
00:29:10.269 --> 00:29:11.930
I mean, you know, I think when I think of
497
00:29:11.970 --> 00:29:14.250
school bus drivers, I think about when I grew up
498
00:29:14.269 --> 00:29:17.049
with school bus drivers. I think about Forrest Gump, where
499
00:29:17.089 --> 00:29:19.250
the same lady is driving the bus. It pulls up
500
00:29:19.289 --> 00:29:21.579
and he's Forrest Forrest Gump. And, you know, you think about,
501
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:24.430
you know, people from our communities are retirement jobs. These are,
502
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:26.019
you know, they're taking care of our kids. It's an
503
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:31.220
important job. But now, apparently, illegal aliens have these commercial
504
00:29:31.259 --> 00:29:33.299
licenses because they were giving them out like candy. When
505
00:29:33.339 --> 00:29:36.200
Biden's open borders, they don't speak English. They can't read
506
00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:39.250
road signs. And these are the people who are driving
507
00:29:39.309 --> 00:29:44.559
our children AROUND AND Rather than protect the children, which, again,
508
00:29:44.619 --> 00:29:47.619
doesn't shock me, now they're like, eh, we don't want
509
00:29:47.660 --> 00:29:49.599
you to know if an illegal alien is driving your
510
00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:52.619
kid around. I mean, between taking the kids out into
511
00:29:52.700 --> 00:29:55.170
socialist marches, between all the gay stuff in the schools
512
00:29:55.210 --> 00:29:57.430
that they're promoting, in the books, this is just yet
513
00:29:57.549 --> 00:30:00.250
another layer, which is why school choice is so important.
514
00:30:00.269 --> 00:30:03.450
Getting your kids out of these socialist indoctrination institutions is
515
00:30:03.490 --> 00:30:07.779
so important. But did anybody see this coming? I certainly didn't. Yeah,
516
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:08.220
this is a.
517
00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:11.849
New low even for the teacher union bosses like Randi Weingarten.
518
00:30:12.210 --> 00:30:15.099
She's trying to make this argument about privacy. It's got
519
00:30:15.339 --> 00:30:18.569
nothing to do with privacy. The data at the center
520
00:30:18.609 --> 00:30:22.130
of this debate are things like the person's social security number,
521
00:30:22.190 --> 00:30:25.680
their CDL license number, their driving record, things you would
522
00:30:25.700 --> 00:30:28.619
need to get any type of driving job, let alone
523
00:30:28.700 --> 00:30:31.799
one that is so important because there's literally precious cargo.
524
00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:33.420
These are children.
525
00:30:33.940 --> 00:30:35.900
So the idea that you have a right to keep
526
00:30:35.940 --> 00:30:40.619
your citizenship status or your CDL number a secret from
527
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:44.869
the world at large, from the government, IS ABSOLUTELY INSANE
528
00:30:44.930 --> 00:30:47.289
TO ME. AND AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO RELEASE THIS
529
00:30:47.369 --> 00:30:49.670
DATA TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. THEY'RE TRYING TO GIVE IT
530
00:30:49.750 --> 00:30:53.769
TO THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. THEY SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO
531
00:30:53.809 --> 00:30:56.619
THIS DATA. EVERYBODY KNOWS IT. AND I HOPE THAT THE
532
00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:59.980
COURTS WILL SEE RIGHT THROUGH RANDY'S POLITICAL POSTURING.
533
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:05.720
YEAH. AND WHAT'S SO DUMB ABOUT HER ARGUMENT, SO IF
534
00:31:05.740 --> 00:31:07.680
YOU'RE DRIVING A SCHOOL BUS AND YOU'RE GETTING PAID BY
535
00:31:08.269 --> 00:31:11.049
THE GOVERNMENT, YOU PROBABLY HAD TO PROVIDE YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY
536
00:31:11.069 --> 00:31:12.410
NUMBER TO GET THAT JOB. BUT I THINK IT'S A
537
00:31:12.410 --> 00:31:13.450
GREAT IDEA. IT'S A GREAT IDEA. BUT SECOND THING IS,
538
00:31:13.450 --> 00:31:16.130
YOU PAY TAXES, HOPEFULLY, AND IF YOU'RE PAYING TAXES, WELL,
539
00:31:16.150 --> 00:31:17.990
YOU GOT TO PROVIDE THAT DATA TO THE GOVERNMENT ANYWAY.
540
00:31:18.019 --> 00:31:21.299
SO THIS IDEA THAT, OH, IT VIOLATES OUR PRIVACY, THE
541
00:31:21.339 --> 00:31:23.380
GOVERNMENT HAS ALL THAT ANYWAY. THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO FIND
542
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:28.990
OUT IF THE PERSON DRIVING A SCHOOL if they're in
543
00:31:29.029 --> 00:31:31.769
the country legally, and if they could speak English above that,
544
00:31:31.789 --> 00:31:34.089
and if their license was issued in a legal manner.
545
00:31:34.329 --> 00:31:37.230
This is about public safety. And of course, the teachers
546
00:31:37.309 --> 00:31:40.609
unions are making about politics, politics over children, yet again,
547
00:31:40.670 --> 00:31:43.730
from our teachers union. Angela, thank you so much for
548
00:31:43.769 --> 00:31:45.339
offering your take on this and something we're going to
549
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:47.940
watch very closely. And we'll see what happens in this lawsuit.
550
00:31:47.980 --> 00:31:50.480
But hey, we know how sometimes these courts go. So
551
00:31:50.500 --> 00:31:51.920
I have a feeling this is going to be fought
552
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:52.700
out for a long time.
553
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:55.819
Well, thank you for having me. I appreciate you tackling
554
00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:56.519
this issue.
555
00:31:56.539 --> 00:32:00.839
Thank you so much for being here. when we come back. Now,
556
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:03.619
it sounds like science fiction, but what I'm about to
557
00:32:03.660 --> 00:32:06.940
tell you is real. China just approved a computer chip
558
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:12.839
implanted in a human brain for commercial use. And it
559
00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:15.119
wants to write the rules, by the way, for how
560
00:32:15.180 --> 00:32:18.750
it's governed around the entire world. I'm calling this new
561
00:32:18.809 --> 00:32:21.549
segment Technology Thursday with Chrissy Newton, and we're going to
562
00:32:21.569 --> 00:32:24.150
be talking about this new technology that you can buy
563
00:32:24.170 --> 00:32:27.309
from China to implant in your brain. And later, a
564
00:32:27.369 --> 00:32:32.099
student brought a cake to a university celebrating Charlie Kirk's assassination.
565
00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:35.500
And when the college Republicans stood up against her and
566
00:32:35.579 --> 00:32:40.000
posted about it online, they wanted to expel the Republican students.
567
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:42.170
It's a story you won't want to miss. Stick around.
568
00:32:49.130 --> 00:32:50.930
For all of our viewers out there asking where to
569
00:32:50.990 --> 00:32:53.660
watch One America News, we'd like to introduce you to
570
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:56.519
OAN Live. OAN Live is the best way to stay
571
00:32:56.619 --> 00:32:58.779
up to date on the hardest hitting news and our
572
00:32:58.819 --> 00:33:01.400
talk shows. And the best part is OAN Live is
573
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:06.259
only $ 4. 99 per month. Credible, honest, and unbiased reporting at
574
00:33:06.299 --> 00:33:08.720
a fraction of the cost of cable. So just click
575
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:12.200
on the link at the top of our homepage, OANN.com,
576
00:33:12.220 --> 00:33:15.059
to easily sign up for the news and conservative talk
577
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:16.500
you can't get anywhere else.
578
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:29.440
It seems we're in the midst of a technological revolution
579
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:35.960
from flock cameras to data centers, AI regulation, UAPs, all
580
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:40.730
of it capturing the minds of America. So tonight. I'M
581
00:33:40.769 --> 00:33:45.289
LAUNCHING A BRAND-NEW SEGMENT TO RUN EVERY THURSDAY. I'M CALLING
582
00:33:45.329 --> 00:33:51.490
IT TECHNOLOGY THURSDAY FEATURING SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY JOURNALISTS AND CO-HOST,
583
00:33:51.509 --> 00:33:55.250
BY THE WAY, OF DISCOVERY CHANNEL'S ALIEN ENCOUNTERS, FACT OR FICTION,
584
00:33:55.309 --> 00:34:02.819
CHRISTIE NEWTON. That sounds like science fiction, except it's actually real,
585
00:34:02.859 --> 00:34:06.309
and it's happening right now in China. Beijing just became
586
00:34:06.809 --> 00:34:12.110
the first country on Earth to approve a brain-computer interface
587
00:34:12.699 --> 00:34:15.579
for commercial use. It's not a lab experiment. It's not
588
00:34:15.619 --> 00:34:19.610
a trial. It is a coin-sized computer chip implanted in
589
00:34:19.650 --> 00:34:23.590
a human head that allows somebody who could be paralyzed
590
00:34:23.659 --> 00:34:26.559
to move a cursor and to write his own name
591
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:29.840
again using nothing but his thoughts, similar to Neuralink we've
592
00:34:29.860 --> 00:34:34.219
seen with Elon Musk. And here in China... The person
593
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:37.199
is Dong Hui, I think. That's how you pronounce it.
594
00:34:37.980 --> 00:34:41.760
He was paralyzed in a car accident. And this past spring,
595
00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:44.239
he became the first person in the world to receive
596
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:48.570
one of these brain implants approved for use beyond a
597
00:34:48.710 --> 00:34:51.369
research study on a human level. Now, I want to
598
00:34:51.389 --> 00:34:54.949
be fair here, because there's a genuine miracle going on here.
599
00:34:55.329 --> 00:34:58.309
For a man who couldn't move, couldn't even write his name,
600
00:34:58.829 --> 00:35:02.889
now he can do that again. But wow, step back
601
00:35:03.530 --> 00:35:05.829
and let's take a big picture look at this because
602
00:35:06.329 --> 00:35:10.860
China isn't just doing this one thing. China is racing
603
00:35:10.940 --> 00:35:13.699
ahead on artificial intelligence. They're building data centers at a
604
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:15.920
pace the rest of the world can barely keep up with.
605
00:35:16.900 --> 00:35:19.760
And now China is moving to wire the human brain
606
00:35:19.820 --> 00:35:23.730
directly to a machine. You combine all three of these
607
00:35:23.789 --> 00:35:28.030
powerful technologies and you have to start thinking what could
608
00:35:28.170 --> 00:35:31.179
possibly come out of this. But here's the part that
609
00:35:31.219 --> 00:35:34.409
should really get your attention. Beijing has announced that its
610
00:35:34.510 --> 00:35:37.769
goal is to write the global standard for this type
611
00:35:37.789 --> 00:35:40.969
of technology to have its government committee decide the rules
612
00:35:41.030 --> 00:35:43.789
for the whole planet on it and what it means
613
00:35:43.849 --> 00:35:47.050
to put a computer inside a human brain. So think
614
00:35:47.070 --> 00:35:49.889
about that with your real brain for a second. The
615
00:35:49.949 --> 00:35:52.670
standard for what goes inside your head and how it's controlled,
616
00:35:53.789 --> 00:35:56.429
it's being set in Beijing. It's the same government that
617
00:35:56.469 --> 00:35:59.349
tracks its own citizens with facial recognition on every street
618
00:35:59.409 --> 00:36:02.369
corner and gives you a social credit score for everyday people.
619
00:36:03.070 --> 00:36:05.429
And a scientist who was convicted right here in the
620
00:36:05.469 --> 00:36:08.510
United States for hiding his ties to a Chinese talent program, well,
621
00:36:08.650 --> 00:36:14.139
he's now tonight running a state-funded brain chip laboratory in China. Meanwhile,
622
00:36:14.179 --> 00:36:16.940
here in America, we can't even have a conversation about
623
00:36:16.980 --> 00:36:19.280
what to do with all of this. So what does
624
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:23.380
this actually mean when the most authoritarian surveillance state on
625
00:36:23.420 --> 00:36:26.510
Earth becomes the world leader in reading and one day
626
00:36:26.570 --> 00:36:30.130
maybe writing the human mind? Let's talk about that. My
627
00:36:30.170 --> 00:36:33.250
next guest reported on this story. And for our first
628
00:36:33.289 --> 00:36:38.019
Technology Thursday, welcome Chrissy Newton back to David Pollak Prime Time.
629
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:41.159
You sent me this article. I read it. And I'm like, okay, good.
630
00:36:41.179 --> 00:36:43.159
They made this guy be able to walk again. That's cool.
631
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:45.909
We're doing that with Neuralink. And then I thought about
632
00:36:45.929 --> 00:36:47.469
it and said, wait a minute, this is something actually
633
00:36:47.610 --> 00:36:51.030
scarier because this is the preliminary stages of implanting a
634
00:36:51.110 --> 00:36:54.559
chip in a brain, but Once you do this human-computer
635
00:36:54.900 --> 00:36:57.619
interface and then you charge it with AI and data centers,
636
00:36:58.139 --> 00:37:01.980
are we on the path of making computer-integrated super people
637
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:02.400
in China?
638
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:06.559
Well, maybe not just in China, but around the world.
639
00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:09.780
We're doing it in North America as well. There's so
640
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:13.739
many companies that are implementing BCIs right now, but from
641
00:37:13.780 --> 00:37:17.659
a healthcare perspective, not a commercial perspective. Right now, China
642
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:20.400
is the first country in the entire world to do
643
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:23.159
this on a commercial base, but it's still under the
644
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:27.530
healthcare regulations. But the difference here is that many different
645
00:37:27.570 --> 00:37:31.130
countries around the world can buy now these Chinese products
646
00:37:31.449 --> 00:37:34.210
that are in the market. So, you know, they are,
647
00:37:34.230 --> 00:37:37.269
I would say, leading right now. We're neck and neck
648
00:37:37.349 --> 00:37:39.889
when it comes to the BCI and AI race, but
649
00:37:40.969 --> 00:37:43.000
I'm assuming in the next two to three years, China's
650
00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:43.400
going to be.
651
00:37:43.340 --> 00:37:46.340
Ahead of us. So let's talk about, you say BCI,
652
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:51.380
brain computer interface, BCI. So let's talk about this because yes,
653
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:53.780
like you said, it's being used for medical purposes now,
654
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:57.320
but are people discussing and envisioning this being more than
655
00:37:57.389 --> 00:38:01.010
just helping people who are paralyzed walk again? Is it really,
656
00:38:01.070 --> 00:38:04.130
let's just download AI into my brain and I'll know everything.
657
00:38:04.190 --> 00:38:05.710
Is that where this technology is heading?
658
00:38:06.690 --> 00:38:08.789
It can. The question is how fast is that going
659
00:38:08.809 --> 00:38:12.409
to happen though? You know, Elon Musk has said that
660
00:38:12.449 --> 00:38:15.250
at some point we'll be able to download our memories, right?
661
00:38:15.309 --> 00:38:17.670
And that might not be for another 50, could be
662
00:38:17.710 --> 00:38:21.840
a hundred years. It just depends on how fast technology accelerates.
663
00:38:22.260 --> 00:38:24.300
But we're at the place right now where BCIs would
664
00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:26.420
be able to help people with mental health, looking at
665
00:38:26.460 --> 00:38:30.179
things like schizophrenia, bipolar. So for example, if someone has
666
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:33.139
schizophrenia and they're having a hallucination, the BC in their
667
00:38:33.179 --> 00:38:36.159
mind would be able to regulate that, the serotonin within
668
00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:39.639
their brain. but then able to look and censor right in,
669
00:38:39.699 --> 00:38:43.090
click on, let's just say, click on that hallucination and
670
00:38:43.110 --> 00:38:46.150
be able to say, yes, this is a hallucination or no,
671
00:38:46.210 --> 00:38:49.010
it's not. Let's say also the other side of this coin,
672
00:38:49.090 --> 00:38:51.929
but yeah, we're in a place right now where it
673
00:38:51.969 --> 00:38:55.139
will help immensely in so many different places, but we
674
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:59.000
will be moving so fast. So regulation and policy really
675
00:38:59.059 --> 00:39:02.159
needs to be in place. And it Chuck Schumer and
676
00:39:02.219 --> 00:39:04.590
many other people have been looking at this. And there's
677
00:39:04.610 --> 00:39:08.070
something called MIND Act that was put in front of Congress,
678
00:39:08.210 --> 00:39:11.949
I believe, September 21st of last year. And so far,
679
00:39:12.030 --> 00:39:15.349
nothing has been done about it. No conversations have been
680
00:39:15.389 --> 00:39:19.070
lifted up again about BCI. But the conversation about privacy
681
00:39:19.389 --> 00:39:23.889
and emotional control over self, because BCIs in the future
682
00:39:23.949 --> 00:39:26.469
potentially could have that. And we've seen this with past
683
00:39:26.530 --> 00:39:29.670
experiments in the 1960s. But we need to be mindful
684
00:39:29.710 --> 00:39:32.690
that you know, who owns that data? Who owns my emotions?
685
00:39:32.730 --> 00:39:36.449
Who controls my emotions? I know it's crazy. I'm even
686
00:39:36.510 --> 00:39:40.139
saying that, but this is where we're going along with Ben.
687
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:43.239
And I, you know, this sounds like conspiracy and it's
688
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:46.860
the weirdest thing, you know, living in 2026 and saying this,
689
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:51.139
but there is this conversation about neural elite. So I
690
00:39:51.179 --> 00:39:55.070
did break a story earlier this year around the, a
691
00:39:55.309 --> 00:39:57.909
Stanley Morgan's report that came out that was leaked to me.
692
00:39:57.949 --> 00:40:00.780
And I unfortunately can't say from who, obviously, but it
693
00:40:00.820 --> 00:40:03.019
was leaked to me. And it was a private report
694
00:40:03.079 --> 00:40:05.900
that was saying that, you know, Elon Musk and Neuralink
695
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:08.920
will be a massive, massive company. And they're worried that
696
00:40:09.340 --> 00:40:13.300
if there isn't legislation and other things and sanctions around
697
00:40:13.380 --> 00:40:16.199
AI and BCI, that we will be looking at consumer
698
00:40:16.260 --> 00:40:19.079
companies and BCI companies creating neuro elites.
699
00:40:20.369 --> 00:40:21.010
It's just so great.
700
00:40:21.050 --> 00:40:21.469
It's wild.
701
00:40:21.510 --> 00:40:23.909
It's just wild because, look, we've just been, I mean,
702
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:25.840
this week we were talking about it. Everybody seems to
703
00:40:25.860 --> 00:40:29.239
be talking about AI regulation. And, you know, there's a
704
00:40:29.260 --> 00:40:31.980
lot of people who think if you regulate AI, you're
705
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:33.590
basically just going to add a bureaucracy to it and
706
00:40:33.610 --> 00:40:35.869
you're going to slow it down. And, well, China... seems
707
00:40:35.889 --> 00:40:37.860
to have the brakes off of AI and data centers.
708
00:40:37.900 --> 00:40:40.719
The United States is trying to put the brakes on this,
709
00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:43.599
and without regulation and without the data centers, President Trump's saying,
710
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:45.929
we're going to fall behind to China, who's our adversary.
711
00:40:46.269 --> 00:40:49.449
Now you're talking about these chips in your brain, and
712
00:40:49.469 --> 00:40:51.630
if they're being sold for commercial purposes, and you talk
713
00:40:51.670 --> 00:40:56.739
about the neuro-elite, it is really kind of a... I
714
00:40:56.780 --> 00:41:01.619
don't know where this goes. If you don't regulate it,
715
00:41:01.690 --> 00:41:03.449
I mean, here's what I'm struggling with. And I'm sure
716
00:41:03.469 --> 00:41:05.429
everybody at home watching is like, this makes no sense.
717
00:41:05.929 --> 00:41:07.909
Because if you regulate and you say, OK, Americans are
718
00:41:07.929 --> 00:41:10.650
not allowed to have these neural links in their brains
719
00:41:10.690 --> 00:41:12.260
or these computer chips in their brains because we just
720
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:15.659
don't think it's moral, ethical or healthy. But then China does.
721
00:41:15.699 --> 00:41:17.480
And people go to China and on a black market
722
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:19.079
are getting chips put in their head. I mean, I
723
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:21.380
could see the movie be written. But what does that
724
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:24.179
mean then to a soldier or to a person or
725
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:27.820
if a country is allowed to basically super enhance the
726
00:41:27.900 --> 00:41:30.619
intellect of their people? I mean, where does it go
727
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:33.280
from here? I mean, take away the moral and the
728
00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:36.510
religious things here. I mean, this whole thing is just
729
00:41:36.590 --> 00:41:38.750
so crazy to me. But I mean, you talk maybe
730
00:41:38.750 --> 00:41:41.090
100 years, 50 years, but at the rate that AI
731
00:41:41.170 --> 00:41:43.489
is advancing, this thing could be a couple of years
732
00:41:43.550 --> 00:41:45.630
away if it's not happening already for people using this
733
00:41:45.650 --> 00:41:46.610
to enhance themselves, right?
734
00:41:47.539 --> 00:41:49.539
Yeah, there's so many things that you covered here that's
735
00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:52.860
so important that people are not talking about is the
736
00:41:52.900 --> 00:41:55.889
fact that, yes, BCI tourism could be a thing, right?
737
00:41:55.909 --> 00:41:57.340
And there has to be, this is why I wrote
738
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.650
this article about having a global coalition. You know, we
739
00:42:00.690 --> 00:42:02.809
need to look at this with multiple different countries and
740
00:42:02.829 --> 00:42:06.329
we do different types of coalitions. We have this with nuclear, right?
741
00:42:06.349 --> 00:42:08.989
We have these agreements around the world that we will
742
00:42:09.010 --> 00:42:11.130
not use these things and we will only use them
743
00:42:11.150 --> 00:42:12.570
for the betterment of humanity, right?
744
00:42:13.050 --> 00:42:13.250
Right.
745
00:42:13.289 --> 00:42:15.829
And there are controls. So we haven't had this global
746
00:42:15.869 --> 00:42:20.030
coalition conversation yet. And that's unfortunate. But the other side
747
00:42:20.070 --> 00:42:22.320
of this, it is helping people. It's helping millions of
748
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:25.280
people that are quadriplegic. They're helping millions of people that
749
00:42:25.619 --> 00:42:27.900
at point will be able to have, you know, better
750
00:42:27.940 --> 00:42:31.139
mental health. There's so many things that it's helping along
751
00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:34.349
with vets. There's a huge amount of vets with BCIs
752
00:42:34.409 --> 00:42:37.889
and prosthetics that have been going on for years now.
753
00:42:37.969 --> 00:42:41.010
DARPA has been investing into BCIs. So the American government
754
00:42:41.030 --> 00:42:44.159
has been investing in this technology since the early 60s.
755
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:47.099
And the first company that they invested in was Tom
756
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:51.780
Oxley's Synchron. And that was way before Neuralink and way
757
00:42:51.820 --> 00:42:55.570
before Elon Musk. And so this conversation has been happening
758
00:42:55.610 --> 00:42:59.019
within the government, but it's about commercialization. And that's where
759
00:42:59.059 --> 00:43:02.199
we need to be really mindful is about how this
760
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:05.260
commercialization is going to happen, how it can happen globally
761
00:43:05.619 --> 00:43:07.929
and doing it for the better of humanity, because it
762
00:43:08.010 --> 00:43:11.050
is scary. And when we look at China, I'm going to,
763
00:43:11.090 --> 00:43:12.929
you know, I'll give them a hand. Let's say it,
764
00:43:13.050 --> 00:43:14.730
you know, a clap for them in that way, because
765
00:43:15.010 --> 00:43:17.630
their implementation is fast. And this is the one thing
766
00:43:17.650 --> 00:43:20.170
that we don't do well in North America is we
767
00:43:20.190 --> 00:43:22.250
don't take something where we know that it can better
768
00:43:22.289 --> 00:43:25.909
humanity and implement it quickly. We have too much bureaucracy,
769
00:43:25.989 --> 00:43:29.309
too much red tape. And so within, and again, we
770
00:43:29.349 --> 00:43:31.309
can get into the conversation of China will use this
771
00:43:31.349 --> 00:43:33.809
for the betterment of humanity and their own people. That
772
00:43:33.849 --> 00:43:35.840
is up to them and the conversation that we'll see
773
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:39.579
in the future. But right now, their system and their
774
00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:43.000
laws are giving the ability for AI to be implemented
775
00:43:43.099 --> 00:43:45.860
so quickly into the healthcare, so quickly into the education
776
00:43:45.900 --> 00:43:47.900
system so that they can test it out and they
777
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:51.179
can figure out what are the pros and cons for
778
00:43:51.260 --> 00:43:53.539
now and in the future. And so that's something that
779
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:55.900
we need to stop debating. We need to start really
780
00:43:55.940 --> 00:43:56.659
making action.
781
00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:02.300
Yeah, the future is a fascinating and frightening place. Thank
782
00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:06.940
you for bringing us this story. People are watching going,
783
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:08.789
where are we going from here? A lot of people
784
00:44:08.809 --> 00:44:11.349
are terrified by this stuff. It is really interesting. Look
785
00:44:11.369 --> 00:44:13.269
forward to having a conversation with you about the next
786
00:44:13.570 --> 00:44:17.010
interesting and terrifying thing next Thursday. Kristen Newton, thanks so
787
00:44:17.050 --> 00:44:17.510
much for being here.
788
00:44:18.469 --> 00:44:19.219
Thank you for having me.
789
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:25.059
Still ahead. A college student celebrates Charlie Kirk's assassination with
790
00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:28.980
a cake. And the people who called it out were
791
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:33.789
the ones facing expulsion. How that happened, that's coming up next.
792
00:44:41.210 --> 00:44:43.010
For all of our viewers out there asking where to
793
00:44:43.070 --> 00:44:45.750
watch One America News, we'd like to introduce you to
794
00:44:45.909 --> 00:44:48.610
OAN Live. OAN Live is the best way to stay
795
00:44:48.710 --> 00:44:50.869
up to date on the hardest hitting news and our
796
00:44:50.889 --> 00:44:53.500
talk shows. And the best part is, OAN Live is
797
00:44:53.539 --> 00:44:58.340
only $ 4. 99 per month. Credible, honest, and unbiased reporting at
798
00:44:58.380 --> 00:45:00.800
a fraction of the cost of cable. So just click
799
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:04.280
on the link at the top of our homepage, OANN.com,
800
00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:07.119
to easily sign up for the news and conservative talk
801
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:08.590
you can't get anywhere else.
802
00:45:17.539 --> 00:45:21.840
Now, last week, we honored the one-year anniversary when Charlie
803
00:45:21.860 --> 00:45:25.800
Kirk was taken from us. And on that anniversary, on
804
00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:29.139
the very day that Charlie Kirk was assassinated on that
805
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:33.219
college campus for the crime of talking politics, a student
806
00:45:33.820 --> 00:45:37.760
at the University of Utah walked up to a table
807
00:45:37.820 --> 00:45:41.190
being held by the college Republicans, and she was carrying
808
00:45:41.230 --> 00:45:45.690
a cake. And written across that cake were two words,
809
00:45:46.469 --> 00:45:50.260
happy birthday. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I
810
00:45:50.260 --> 00:45:53.780
DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT
811
00:45:53.820 --> 00:45:56.619
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
812
00:45:56.639 --> 00:45:59.610
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I DON'T KNOW
813
00:45:59.630 --> 00:46:02.730
WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
814
00:46:11.690 --> 00:46:14.710
So a college Republican named Riley Barnes did what almost
815
00:46:14.750 --> 00:46:17.090
any decent person would do. Well, she took a photo
816
00:46:17.179 --> 00:46:19.800
of it. She posted it online. And she asked a
817
00:46:19.820 --> 00:46:23.400
single question, the question we were all wondering, what is
818
00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:27.829
wrong with students in Utah? She named the girl. She
819
00:46:27.849 --> 00:46:30.289
didn't publish her address. She simply showed the country what
820
00:46:30.309 --> 00:46:33.630
was happening in broad daylight on that campus. And the post, well,
821
00:46:33.670 --> 00:46:36.349
took off. Six million people saw it. BUT HERE'S WHERE
822
00:46:36.389 --> 00:46:38.849
THE STORY GETS CRAZY. I MEAN, CRAZIER THAN IT IS
823
00:46:38.909 --> 00:46:41.869
THAT SOME LIBERAL MADE A CAKE TO CELEBRATE SOMEBODY'S DEATH.
824
00:46:42.769 --> 00:46:45.769
BECAUSE THE UNIVERSITY LOOKED AT ALL OF IT, THE STUDENT
825
00:46:45.809 --> 00:46:48.719
CELEBRATING THE ASSASSINATION AND A STUDENT WHO WAS OFFENDED BY IT,
826
00:46:49.550 --> 00:46:51.670
AND INSTEAD OF DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THE STUDENT THAT MOCKED
827
00:46:51.730 --> 00:46:56.090
A MAN'S DEATH, THEY DECIDED TO INVESTIGATE THE REPUBLICAN. SHOCKING,
828
00:46:56.150 --> 00:46:59.659
I KNOW. AND AT THE SAME TIME, THE UNIVERSITY, AS
829
00:46:59.699 --> 00:47:01.610
FAR AS WE KNOW, IS NOT DOING ANYTHING TO DISCIPLINE
830
00:47:01.659 --> 00:47:07.010
THE WOMAN WITH THE Now, it opened a disciplinary case
831
00:47:07.130 --> 00:47:10.849
against Riley Barnes and another college Republican. They accused them
832
00:47:10.909 --> 00:47:14.449
of threatening and endangering behavior for the act of posting
833
00:47:14.789 --> 00:47:18.179
that photograph. Not, it wasn't threatening or endangering that the
834
00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:22.059
student showed up and celebrated murder. No, no, no. It
835
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:26.860
was endangering behavior for the students to talk about it. Now,
836
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:29.340
the students say the university is trying, well, they said
837
00:47:29.380 --> 00:47:31.800
that this university was trying to expel them for it.
838
00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:35.300
That's right. The person who mocked the political murder is
839
00:47:35.340 --> 00:47:38.360
being treated as the victim. Surprise, surprise. And the students
840
00:47:38.380 --> 00:47:41.380
who dare point at it, they were treated as the threat. Now,
841
00:47:41.739 --> 00:47:45.469
the university says they were reviewing accusations of harassment and
842
00:47:45.489 --> 00:47:47.650
the sharing of personal information that it wants to protect
843
00:47:47.889 --> 00:47:50.050
both free speech and student safety. But it didn't matter.
844
00:47:50.630 --> 00:47:53.469
IT DIDN'T MATTER. THE STUDENTS DIDN'T POST ANYONE'S PRIVATE INFORMATION.
845
00:47:53.630 --> 00:47:57.210
THEY POSTED THE PHOTO. VERY PUBLIC ACTS. THE DOXING THAT
846
00:47:57.230 --> 00:47:59.559
HAPPENED AFTER THAT YOU MIGHT HEAR THE LEFT COMPLAIN ABOUT,
847
00:47:59.820 --> 00:48:02.260
THAT WAS DONE BY STRANGERS, NOT THE STUDENT. AND BY
848
00:48:02.300 --> 00:48:06.920
THE WAY, AFTER PUBLIC OUTRAGE THAT THE REPUBLICAN STUDENT WAS
849
00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:11.260
BEING TARGETED AND THREATENED WITH EXPULSION, PEOPLE LIKE SENATOR MIKE LEE,
850
00:48:12.179 --> 00:48:16.929
PEOPLE LIKE ERICA KIRK HERSELF, EVEN HARMEET DILLON SAID THE
851
00:48:16.949 --> 00:48:22.570
CIVIL RIGHTS DEPARTMENT WAS GOING TO University said, no, no, no, no. No, no, no.
852
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:24.539
It's OK. We're not going to there's not going to
853
00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:27.639
be any disciplinary action. No charges. It's like being hustled
854
00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:29.579
in a third world country when they want to shake
855
00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:31.400
you down for a couple of bucks when you're driving
856
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:33.539
on the road. Once you fight back, they say, OK,
857
00:48:33.579 --> 00:48:37.570
no ticket. That's exactly what's happening here for reaction. I'm
858
00:48:37.610 --> 00:48:40.409
honored to bring on my good friend, Kevin Smith, host
859
00:48:40.769 --> 00:48:44.250
of the Loud Majority Live. Kevin Smith, thank you so
860
00:48:44.269 --> 00:48:46.809
much for being on David Pollak Prime Time. What? We
861
00:48:46.849 --> 00:48:48.809
already know the left is nuts, and we know that
862
00:48:48.829 --> 00:48:52.760
they've already vandalized statues. We know they were celebrating Charlie
863
00:48:52.780 --> 00:48:55.159
Kirk's murder when he was murdered, celebrating his murder and
864
00:48:55.179 --> 00:48:58.880
the anniversary. What a new low, making a cake, bringing
865
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:01.400
it to a table of Republicans, and then, of course,
866
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:03.860
when anybody stands up to those idiots, they want to
867
00:49:04.059 --> 00:49:06.610
expel the students who are standing up to them. Make
868
00:49:06.619 --> 00:49:07.429
this make sense, please.
869
00:49:08.789 --> 00:49:10.949
Well, unfortunately, I can't make it make sense. This is
870
00:49:11.530 --> 00:49:14.150
not the first time we've heard something like this happen.
871
00:49:14.190 --> 00:49:17.619
Students were threatened with expulsion... for having myself and Sean
872
00:49:17.659 --> 00:49:21.239
Farish come speak at their turn Point chapter here on
873
00:49:21.300 --> 00:49:23.199
Long Island a couple of years ago, and eventually the
874
00:49:23.659 --> 00:49:27.300
event was canceled. But this is what these very, very brave,
875
00:49:27.909 --> 00:49:33.889
very brave college administrators do. They threaten two 22-year-olds with
876
00:49:33.969 --> 00:49:37.929
expulsion from school and don't provide them with any legal counsel,
877
00:49:37.989 --> 00:49:41.190
don't provide them with any representation. Their parents can't be there.
878
00:49:41.769 --> 00:49:44.530
And the girl who celebrates the murder of somebody gets
879
00:49:44.570 --> 00:49:46.800
to cry victim. I think that if you're going to
880
00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:50.000
hold up a cake celebrating the murder of somebody, you
881
00:49:50.019 --> 00:49:51.699
want to be brave enough to have your name put
882
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:52.099
out there.
883
00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:55.710
Well, I mean, and Kevin... You and I are preaching
884
00:49:55.730 --> 00:49:57.260
to a choir here. We're going to agree with each
885
00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:00.019
other on this. I'm sure the entire audience watching is
886
00:50:00.059 --> 00:50:03.940
going to agree as well, is that for years, since
887
00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:07.260
basically put on the red hat, Republicans are fair game.
888
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:08.500
They could flip the hat off your head. If you
889
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:10.780
go to a campus, you get chased off violently. We've
890
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:12.869
seen what they did to Charlie in the worst example
891
00:50:12.889 --> 00:50:16.289
of what they do to people that they disagree with.
892
00:50:16.869 --> 00:50:19.750
BUT WE'VE SEEN THE ATTACKS, THE SPITTING, THE DOXING, THE DOXING.
893
00:50:20.030 --> 00:50:22.969
I MEAN, REPUBLICANS AND CONSERVATIVES ARE DOXED, THEY'RE SWATTED, THEY'RE
894
00:50:22.989 --> 00:50:26.460
CHASED OUT OF RESTAURANTS. I MEAN, THIS IS JUST STANDARD
895
00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:33.570
OPERATING PROCEDURE FOR THE But in this instance, these people
896
00:50:33.590 --> 00:50:38.090
show up with a cake. How long is this going
897
00:50:38.110 --> 00:50:41.530
to be tolerated for? And honestly, do you think they
898
00:50:41.570 --> 00:50:44.309
would have reversed this expulsion decision had we not called
899
00:50:44.349 --> 00:50:45.739
it out? I mean, maybe this is what we have
900
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:48.280
to start doing. It's calling it out. So there's consequences
901
00:50:48.489 --> 00:50:49.530
for the radical left, right?
902
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:50.980
Well, absolutely.
903
00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:53.679
And that's what the Internet is for, to call this
904
00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:55.840
sort of stuff out. Because, look, when the kids were
905
00:50:55.860 --> 00:50:59.360
threatened with expulsion for me and Sean— you know, they
906
00:50:59.380 --> 00:51:01.679
just canceled the event because there wasn't, at the time,
907
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:03.360
we didn't have a way to get that sort of
908
00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:06.380
information out there. But after some public pressure from Senator
909
00:51:06.420 --> 00:51:09.760
Mike Lee and many other people, they backed down because
910
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:12.570
it turns out when you are dealing with a bully,
911
00:51:12.949 --> 00:51:15.329
the only way to deal with them is to fight back,
912
00:51:15.789 --> 00:51:18.369
is to continue to put pressure on them to play offense.
913
00:51:18.409 --> 00:51:20.909
You don't play defense with a bully. And the way
914
00:51:21.050 --> 00:51:25.429
we stop this from happening is we keep going. We
915
00:51:25.570 --> 00:51:29.150
keep doing it. We keep the pressure on them because
916
00:51:29.210 --> 00:51:31.489
if we don't, they're going to keep coming back at us.
917
00:51:31.949 --> 00:51:34.920
So to the college Republicans, the turning point chapters out there,
918
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:39.429
keep tabling, keep getting it all on film, keep exposing it,
919
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:41.179
and the internet will do its job.
920
00:51:41.840 --> 00:51:44.110
Yeah, you know, I was at a one of the
921
00:51:44.150 --> 00:51:45.769
Turning Point Club events. You know, these are the high
922
00:51:45.789 --> 00:51:50.409
school students that organized to, you know, have a safe
923
00:51:50.449 --> 00:51:54.619
space in liberal high schools to be conservative. And I
924
00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:55.940
went to one of their events and I was talking
925
00:51:56.280 --> 00:51:57.920
to one of the girls who had or wanted to
926
00:51:57.940 --> 00:52:00.679
have a chapter. One girl's chapter got kicked off campus.
927
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:02.760
The other one, they wouldn't let him have a chapter.
928
00:52:03.619 --> 00:52:05.929
TURNING POINT HAS TO HAVE A WHOLE OTHER ORGANIZATION THAT'S
929
00:52:05.989 --> 00:52:08.250
SEPARATE FROM THE HIGH SCHOOLS THAT WON'T ALLOW THEM TO
930
00:52:08.309 --> 00:52:11.139
HAVE CHAPTERS ON CAMPUSES BUT THE LGBT CLUB AND ALL
931
00:52:11.159 --> 00:52:13.900
THE OTHER CLUBS ARE ALLOWED. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
932
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:19.489
WE'RE DEALING WITH INTOLERANT at the high school level. This
933
00:52:19.809 --> 00:52:22.130
is how we honor Charlie Kirk. This is how we
934
00:52:22.150 --> 00:52:24.210
honor his legacy. This is how we carry it forward.
935
00:52:24.250 --> 00:52:26.610
Exactly like you said, we don't let them win. We
936
00:52:26.630 --> 00:52:29.110
keep pushing back at the bullies. We keep speaking. We
937
00:52:29.150 --> 00:52:31.869
keep tabling. And when people do dumb stuff like this,
938
00:52:32.170 --> 00:52:34.170
we call it out for the world to see. And
939
00:52:34.210 --> 00:52:36.630
eventually that behavior won't be tolerated, right?
940
00:52:37.449 --> 00:52:37.969
Absolutely.
941
00:52:37.989 --> 00:52:39.949
And look, every single one of you is a reporter.
942
00:52:40.429 --> 00:52:42.320
Every one of you is a reporter. So if your
943
00:52:42.340 --> 00:52:45.099
high school principal or one of your college deans say
944
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:47.840
you can't have a Turning Point chapter, you record that
945
00:52:47.940 --> 00:52:49.840
on your phone and you send it out to the
946
00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:51.739
people who you think need to hear it. And I
947
00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:54.820
promise you, I promise you there is nothing some high
948
00:52:54.860 --> 00:52:57.929
school dean wants less than to get a phone call
949
00:52:58.409 --> 00:53:02.269
from legal counsel at Turning Point USA or from James
950
00:53:02.329 --> 00:53:05.690
O'Keefe or from Scott Pressler. I promise you these people
951
00:53:05.730 --> 00:53:07.960
do not want to be famous. And I tell all
952
00:53:07.980 --> 00:53:09.679
of the young people that if you are getting pressured
953
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:12.670
by a teacher, Record that, and I promise you, we
954
00:53:12.710 --> 00:53:13.690
will make them famous.
955
00:53:14.250 --> 00:53:16.139
And that's exactly right, and we're going to call it out,
956
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:18.099
and we all should call it out, because that's exactly right.
957
00:53:18.159 --> 00:53:21.159
And by the way, this girl, the victim in this case,
958
00:53:21.179 --> 00:53:23.179
the one who baked the cake, who didn't want all
959
00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:26.039
the attention, well, that's exactly right. I mean, she clearly
960
00:53:26.099 --> 00:53:28.320
wanted the attention. She just didn't want negative attention. She
961
00:53:28.340 --> 00:53:30.800
wanted to be celebrated as some sort of purple-haired folk hero.
962
00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:35.340
We're standing up to these folks. Kevin Smith, loud majority.
963
00:53:35.969 --> 00:53:38.070
I really appreciate you being here. Great takes, as always.
964
00:53:38.929 --> 00:53:39.250
Anytime.
965
00:53:40.590 --> 00:53:43.510
That is our show for tonight. Make sure you join
966
00:53:43.550 --> 00:53:48.130
us tomorrow. Tomorrow, we welcome Republican candidate for Attorney General
967
00:53:48.150 --> 00:53:52.329
of California, Michael Gates, to discuss the legendary Paramount Studios
968
00:53:52.869 --> 00:53:57.309
leaving California over its fight with the current Attorney General
969
00:53:57.329 --> 00:54:00.550
of California and the Democrat gubernatorial candidate, Rob Bonta, by
970
00:54:00.590 --> 00:54:02.489
the way. Stay in touch with us on social media,
971
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:06.400
David Pollak, USA, or send us an email, davidpollakprimetime at oedebelin.com.
972
00:54:06.699 --> 00:54:08.880
See you tomorrow. Same time, same place, and until then,
973
00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:10.760
Stay classy, America. Good night.
974
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:17.320
For all of our viewers out there asking where to
975
00:54:17.380 --> 00:54:20.039
watch One America News, we'd like to introduce you to
976
00:54:20.219 --> 00:54:22.909
OAN Live. OAN Live is the best way to stay
977
00:54:23.030 --> 00:54:25.650
up to date on the hardest-hitting news and our talk shows.
978
00:54:26.070 --> 00:54:31.230
And the best part is OAN Live is only $ 4. 99
979
00:54:29.070 --> 00:54:33.090
per month. Credible, honest, and unbiased reporting at a fraction
980
00:54:33.110 --> 00:54:35.300
of the cost of cable. So just click on the
981
00:54:35.360 --> 00:54:39.150
link at the top of our homepage, OANN.com, to easily
982
00:54:39.190 --> 00:54:42.019
sign up for the news and conservative talk you can't
983
00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:42.900
get anywhere else.