We've Got Mail #196 | Should Critics Always Watch Movies Sober?

WEBVTT
00:03.173 --> 00:07.976
[SPEAKER_01]: Hello, everybody, and welcome back to We've Got Mail!
00:10.118 --> 00:16.602
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the podcast where you, yes, you, control the conversation right here at the critically claimed network.
00:16.642 --> 00:24.427
[SPEAKER_01]: My name is William Bidiani, I am a film critic, I write for the rap, and everybody calls me bims.
00:28.970 --> 00:31.052
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm from the Mirror Universe.
00:31.533 --> 00:33.034
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a beard.
00:33.314 --> 00:35.216
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I'm like me.
00:35.296 --> 00:36.177
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wait, we're both bearded.
00:36.537 --> 00:37.658
[SPEAKER_00]: My name is Whitney Sybold.
00:37.678 --> 00:41.241
[SPEAKER_00]: I contribute to slash film for the purposes of this particular podcast.
00:41.261 --> 00:43.083
[SPEAKER_00]: You may call me rock my stream of cool.
00:43.243 --> 00:54.052
[SPEAKER_00]: If you so desire you don't need to do that But you can do it serious star Trek question because yes, you've seen pretty much all Star Trek and I'm still there's some some some Star Trek.
00:54.072 --> 00:54.172
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
00:55.413 --> 01:02.878
[SPEAKER_01]: We know in the mirror universe that it's very common for someone who doesn't have facial hair to have facial hair in the mirror universe It's not always but it's happened.
01:03.218 --> 01:12.064
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not it's just spark, but yeah, but that's the cliche Yeah, have they ever done the reverse where character with facial hair doesn't have facial hair in the mirror universe?
01:12.284 --> 01:14.045
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it may stop opportunity.
01:14.185 --> 01:19.308
[SPEAKER_00]: They they only did that once in Star Trek and then they did it a couple times on deep space.
01:19.348 --> 01:19.709
[SPEAKER_00]: Now.
01:20.009 --> 01:21.410
[SPEAKER_00]: They came back to the mirror universe
01:22.110 --> 01:24.091
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that the only time that I'm near universe just those two?
01:24.352 --> 01:30.616
[SPEAKER_00]: No, there was also a two-part episode of Ender Prize, which took place entirely in the Mary universe.
01:30.636 --> 01:32.096
[SPEAKER_00]: We saw none of the original characters.
01:32.557 --> 01:32.637
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh!
01:33.485 --> 01:33.805
[SPEAKER_00]: that's fun.
01:34.085 --> 01:39.468
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they did it again in discovery, Michelle Yo's character, it was replaced right right right there.
01:39.488 --> 01:40.448
[SPEAKER_01]: I forgot that was the semi.
01:40.488 --> 01:42.309
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and Jason Isaacs as well.
01:42.349 --> 01:43.330
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, like he was a mirror.
01:43.370 --> 01:43.830
[SPEAKER_01]: Good times.
01:44.350 --> 01:44.730
[SPEAKER_00]: Good times.
01:44.790 --> 01:45.431
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's having fun.
01:46.071 --> 01:46.711
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's having fun.
01:46.851 --> 01:48.512
[SPEAKER_00]: I can I can answer your answer.
01:48.672 --> 01:51.393
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got some letters about like all my questions.
01:51.413 --> 01:52.014
[SPEAKER_00]: Start your questions.
01:52.054 --> 01:53.334
[SPEAKER_01]: No, this is our letters episode.
01:53.975 --> 01:57.636
[SPEAKER_01]: We do a talking podcast wise.
01:58.497 --> 02:00.798
[SPEAKER_01]: And in the context of this podcast in specifics,
02:02.660 --> 02:04.861
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, that was a whole jumble of words.
02:05.422 --> 02:08.083
[SPEAKER_01]: We answered your correspondence on we've got mail.
02:08.144 --> 02:09.845
[SPEAKER_01]: How it works is you email us.
02:09.905 --> 02:11.406
[SPEAKER_01]: Our email address is letters.
02:11.426 --> 02:12.726
[SPEAKER_01]: That critically claimed.net.
02:13.287 --> 02:15.508
[SPEAKER_01]: And we read your correspondence on the air.
02:15.548 --> 02:16.429
[SPEAKER_01]: We answer your questions.
02:16.449 --> 02:17.730
[SPEAKER_01]: We respond to your criticisms.
02:18.130 --> 02:19.711
[SPEAKER_01]: We go, hmm, interesting.
02:19.731 --> 02:25.014
[SPEAKER_01]: When you correct us, which happens more often than I'd like, but keep us honest and keep doing it.
02:25.314 --> 02:29.417
[SPEAKER_01]: But also if a PO box with anyone who's a PO box, yeah, you can send us a physical letter if you like.
02:29.757 --> 02:40.199
[SPEAKER_00]: and written or a postcard or a the pigeon with a note written on it to the critically claim network PO Box 641565 Los Angeles, California, 9 to below 64.
02:41.180 --> 02:43.560
[SPEAKER_00]: When you take us away, we've got a bunch of correspondents.
02:43.580 --> 02:44.400
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we got two.
02:44.440 --> 02:45.341
[SPEAKER_00]: Two get two.
02:45.401 --> 02:48.761
[SPEAKER_00]: No letters this week, but that's no letters on the field.
02:48.801 --> 02:51.142
[SPEAKER_00]: No physical letters, but we got plenty of emails.
02:51.162 --> 02:51.542
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.
02:51.582 --> 02:53.783
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a letter that comes from Danny, hello Danny.
02:53.823 --> 02:54.263
[SPEAKER_00]: Hi Danny.
02:54.363 --> 02:57.924
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you rock my stream of cool and rock my stream of cool's friend William Bibbiani?
02:58.024 --> 02:59.304
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I got that a lot.
03:01.125 --> 03:02.965
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, I'm your sidekick, if anything.
03:03.005 --> 03:04.126
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a line, you know.
03:04.606 --> 03:06.366
[SPEAKER_00]: I have good news and bad news to share with you.
03:06.486 --> 03:06.666
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh-oh.
03:07.087 --> 03:11.728
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, the bad news is, at time of writing this, I was fired from my job at this morning.
03:11.888 --> 03:13.329
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my gosh, I'm so sorry.
03:13.749 --> 03:14.669
[SPEAKER_00]: That's never fun.
03:14.729 --> 03:17.350
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if you hate the job, it doesn't feel good to be fun.
03:17.370 --> 03:22.052
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, it's like when you're in a relationship with someone in your planet to break up with them, but they break up with you first.
03:22.312 --> 03:25.773
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, hey, yeah, no, no, don't do that.
03:26.213 --> 03:29.415
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, the good news is I quit the job several days ago because I have a new job lined up.
03:29.676 --> 03:30.116
[SPEAKER_00]: Yay!
03:30.256 --> 03:36.541
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is more of a screw you from the company that just results in me having a few weeks of unpaid holiday before I start my new job.
03:37.161 --> 03:37.341
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no.
03:37.361 --> 03:42.445
[SPEAKER_00]: Really all this means is that I am in a position every film lover dreams of several weeks of freedom to watch.
03:43.005 --> 04:03.567
[SPEAKER_00]: movies with that in mind because it lost the iron list voting even though I voted for it what are some summer movies that I should watch during this time especially some lesser known ones if I if I may ask you to film my time England is experiencing multiple heat waves and we don't have AC in our homes so the sweatier the better oh yeah
04:04.087 --> 04:22.096
[SPEAKER_00]: PS unrelated by during your iron list, best spoof movies Whitney mentioned his disappointment of James Bond movies being unpolitical, especially in the post 911 era, as someone who agrees with that and how unpolitically motivated the Bond franchise is, you might be interested in that the newest Bond video game, 007 First Light.
04:22.656 --> 04:32.221
[SPEAKER_00]: It tells the story of a rookie Bond, learning that the British government has sold all of its information to a billionaire who invented an AI system that shocker turns out to make frequent catastrophic mistakes.
04:32.661 --> 04:34.463
[SPEAKER_00]: Both the government and the billionaire are covering up.
04:34.483 --> 04:44.811
[SPEAKER_00]: So now, Bob has to go rogue from the government in order to destroy this AI and bring the billionaire to justice It is the first time I've seen Bond behave like a human and actually tell a story that matters.
04:45.071 --> 04:46.972
[SPEAKER_00]: Also the Lana Del Rey theme is a banger.
04:47.193 --> 04:47.633
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh no shit
04:48.274 --> 04:50.757
[SPEAKER_00]: I heard that game was good.
04:50.777 --> 04:52.640
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know Lana Del Rey did a bon song.
04:52.660 --> 04:53.701
[SPEAKER_01]: I really got to listen to that.
04:53.801 --> 04:57.066
[SPEAKER_00]: Just got Lana Del Rey to do a movie.
04:57.126 --> 04:59.629
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess they paid her well to do the game.
04:59.649 --> 05:03.074
[SPEAKER_01]: I love the history of Bon songs more than I love the history of Bon.
05:06.337 --> 05:14.242
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Bond is really fascinating as a cultural object and only some of the movies are entertaining.
05:14.442 --> 05:14.682
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
05:15.383 --> 05:17.704
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's five or six that I think are good.
05:17.724 --> 05:19.785
[SPEAKER_00]: There's like two or three they're great.
05:20.205 --> 05:20.425
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
05:21.626 --> 05:24.087
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's how many of them like 25 of them now?
05:24.107 --> 05:25.148
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right, count.
05:25.168 --> 05:31.311
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a couple of them that are considered non-canonical because Eon doesn't own them, but also fuck that, so there's like an additional three.
05:31.471 --> 05:41.335
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so, and I have seen them all, and I think they're far more fun to pick part and analyze and gauge than they are to necessarily watch.
05:44.284 --> 05:45.185
[SPEAKER_00]: But to the other question.
05:45.665 --> 05:50.090
[SPEAKER_00]: But I haven't played any James Bond video games because they're too complicated for me.
05:50.510 --> 05:51.451
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
05:51.491 --> 05:54.153
[SPEAKER_01]: When they kind of gave up when they started turning to three-day.
05:54.354 --> 06:01.400
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if it's before the N64 in like 1996 or whenever that was, I'm all over it.
06:01.821 --> 06:07.166
[SPEAKER_00]: But anything in the last 30 years, I'm kind of not going to be able to control it very well.
06:08.667 --> 06:12.789
[SPEAKER_00]: as for summer movies, yes, we'll be set during the summer time.
06:12.929 --> 06:21.292
[SPEAKER_00]: During the summer time, well, I'm just going to say the obvious one and recommend the movie, summer time, which I think we both called the best film of the year.
06:21.372 --> 06:26.053
[SPEAKER_00]: I know I did, and I think you may have, it was at least like in the top time.
06:26.073 --> 06:30.555
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it came, it was, I think it was our pick for the best movie of the year during the COVID lockdown.
06:31.676 --> 06:32.517
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I came out in 2020.
06:32.617 --> 06:43.814
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I'm the director of blind spotting and it is this really wonderful film at all takes place during one summer day in Los Angeles But every member of the cast is actually like an accomplished poet.
06:44.174 --> 06:46.958
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm every vignette that they're in
06:47.719 --> 06:51.941
[SPEAKER_01]: has an element of poetry to it and sometimes it takes the form of musical numbers.
06:52.261 --> 06:59.324
[SPEAKER_01]: There's this really wonderful subplot where these two guys who are like trying to sell they're like hip-hop album on the street at the beginning and there are no takers.
06:59.584 --> 07:04.586
[SPEAKER_01]: Over the course of one day become a one-hit wonder and by the end of the day they're like they're bad at it.
07:07.487 --> 07:10.849
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, there's like 25 little separate vignettes.
07:10.869 --> 07:12.450
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just like one through line.
07:12.470 --> 07:13.110
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so good.
07:13.390 --> 07:15.951
[SPEAKER_00]: And each poem is fascinating, it's own way.
07:15.971 --> 07:18.332
[SPEAKER_00]: It kind of reflects the spirit of Los Angeles.
07:18.372 --> 07:21.234
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good LA movie, but I think you'd love it either way.
07:22.334 --> 07:28.878
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a really fantastic poem right near the beginning which they filmed in Venice where one of the poets talks about how
07:30.458 --> 07:48.311
[SPEAKER_00]: personally gratifying it is to leave a bad yelp review yeah there's a really great yeah I love the the dance number that takes place outside of a genre I think it's in Pasadena and it ends with a really fantastic poem everybody who's worked retail has felt this yeah so if you're sort of
07:49.772 --> 07:51.293
[SPEAKER_00]: moving through jobs at the moment.
07:52.414 --> 07:58.499
[SPEAKER_00]: There's this great poem about this kind of just ranting about what a pain in the acid is to serve angry customers at a fast food restaurant.
07:58.539 --> 07:58.799
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
07:59.660 --> 08:01.301
[SPEAKER_01]: Or just any retail really.
08:01.642 --> 08:04.104
[SPEAKER_01]: But people are very entitled and it's deeply annoying.
08:04.144 --> 08:08.027
[SPEAKER_00]: And it all ends with people getting into a limo and driving out into a Hollywood Hill.
08:08.087 --> 08:08.988
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the Hollywood Hills.
08:09.008 --> 08:09.208
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
08:10.689 --> 08:13.010
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a fantastic movie.
08:13.050 --> 08:16.571
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just so alive and and and it's so overlooked.
08:17.191 --> 08:18.111
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody talked about it.
08:18.151 --> 08:19.452
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's so wonderful.
08:19.472 --> 08:20.312
[SPEAKER_01]: It's such a great song.
08:20.512 --> 08:24.153
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go with something I mentioned a few of like the more obvious suspects.
08:24.173 --> 08:25.313
[SPEAKER_01]: At least I think there are obvious.
08:26.874 --> 08:32.656
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't go wrong with the old Frankie Avalon and a net food and cello beach making things those series.
08:32.676 --> 08:34.256
[SPEAKER_01]: They're all very dippy.
08:34.716 --> 08:36.557
[SPEAKER_01]: They're dorky motion pictures.
08:37.517 --> 08:55.583
[SPEAKER_01]: There's an infectious charm to them, yeah, I think I think once you've seen like one or two you probably got it and unless you're really really having a good time you can probably stop but once you stop, when you go through the whole thing or not, then you got to chase that with the absolutely wonderful legacy sequel from the 80s back to the beach.
08:56.304 --> 09:04.806
[SPEAKER_01]: We're Frankie Avalon and a netfoot in a shallow take their kids to the beach where they used to like rule the rules to be the coolest kids there, but now it's like kind of like the Brady Bunch movie
09:06.787 --> 09:10.868
[SPEAKER_01]: And yet everyone, they can get their charm, everybody, and it's really fun.
09:10.908 --> 09:15.389
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a great sort of contrast between 60s and 80s cultures.
09:15.429 --> 09:15.909
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
09:15.949 --> 09:23.752
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a lot of 60s references, like Bob Denver and Alan Hale show up at the Google, it's island characters.
09:24.472 --> 09:25.072
[SPEAKER_00]: That kind of stuff.
09:25.592 --> 09:26.433
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a delight.
09:26.773 --> 09:30.577
[SPEAKER_01]: I would also recommend I think this movie takes place during the summer.
09:31.058 --> 09:37.985
[SPEAKER_01]: It's certainly a summer time type movie because it's about like going to like one of those expensive islands that are nothing but beaches.
09:38.846 --> 09:40.188
[SPEAKER_01]: But weekend at Bernies.
09:42.196 --> 09:42.936
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh, except it.
09:43.036 --> 09:58.081
[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna burnies is I think it's just said it or resort, but that's fine I think it feels like it's during the summer, but maybe I'm wrong But it's definitely got summer vibes and of course we can to burnies is about two guys who are invited to their boss's house for on at the beach for the weekend They get there.
09:58.141 --> 10:00.381
[SPEAKER_01]: They find out he's been murdered, but
10:02.502 --> 10:16.373
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a huge contrients, but basically they have to pretend he's alive for a while and they just use his body like a puppet to pretend he's alive and everyone believes them and it is Honestly in very poor taste yet weirdly funny.
10:16.974 --> 10:19.076
[SPEAKER_00]: It's they they tried to write it really well.
10:19.116 --> 10:21.858
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a Griffin Don and who's no it's not Griffin Don
10:22.318 --> 10:22.899
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not good for none.
10:23.179 --> 10:24.921
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, he was he was here already.
10:24.941 --> 10:25.522
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you all right?
10:25.542 --> 10:26.924
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not Johnathan Silverman.
10:26.944 --> 10:27.585
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
10:27.765 --> 10:30.608
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, oh, God.
10:30.789 --> 10:31.129
[SPEAKER_01]: Was it?
10:31.650 --> 10:32.491
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
10:32.551 --> 10:34.013
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm embarrassed because that's not like him.
10:34.273 --> 10:35.755
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not Andrew McCarthy.
10:36.055 --> 10:36.916
[SPEAKER_00]: It is Andrew McCarthy.
10:37.677 --> 10:38.498
[SPEAKER_01]: That was Andrew McCarthy.
10:38.578 --> 10:39.219
[SPEAKER_00]: That was it.
10:41.326 --> 10:41.866
[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
10:42.166 --> 10:43.827
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Terry Kaiser played Bernie.
10:44.227 --> 11:05.392
[SPEAKER_01]: Terry Kaiser, of all Yeah, for somebody's an remembered of being a guy who just looked like Andrew McCarthy But I will say Andrew McCarthy fair enough, but I will say this Terry Kaiser I'm underappreciated character actor in general Showed up shows up in everything, but Possibly the single greatest corpse actor in the history of Hollywood
11:06.412 --> 11:24.568
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, yeah, not like he he performs a life was corpse in a way that would make the silent film comedian gods Yeah, like you would be surprised how much physical comedy there is in playing a corpse But he does that he's really good so good.
11:25.229 --> 11:27.171
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the one you're gonna remember the dead guy
11:29.352 --> 11:41.415
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it is a summer movie because I remember it takes place during a heat wave There's a scene at the beginning of Weekend at Bernie's where Andrew McCarthy is walking through a park Yeah, and a mugger like pulls a gun on and says give me your wallet And he doesn't stop you just pushes the guys.
11:41.475 --> 11:45.216
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like fuck off It's funny.
11:45.276 --> 11:46.496
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, it's a funny movie.
11:46.516 --> 11:46.756
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
11:46.776 --> 11:46.936
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
11:47.116 --> 11:51.217
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, many of the things movie set Stand by me comes to mind sure.
11:51.257 --> 11:52.117
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really great film.
11:52.137 --> 11:53.978
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a really great film for 12 year olds in the 50 like late 50s
11:59.861 --> 12:05.107
[SPEAKER_00]: I hear that like a local teenager has been killed by the train.
12:06.120 --> 12:08.401
[SPEAKER_00]: And his body hasn't been recovered yet.
12:08.501 --> 12:12.402
[SPEAKER_00]: So they go on like a multi-day hike to find a dead body.
12:12.782 --> 12:16.243
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're only gold because their 12 is just, let's look at a dead body.
12:16.283 --> 12:16.823
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a dead body.
12:16.843 --> 12:17.643
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a dead body.
12:17.663 --> 12:19.043
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
12:19.343 --> 12:29.206
[SPEAKER_00]: And naturally, their trip is like this coming of age trip where they face these difficult things about themselves and their families and their abusive fathers and they all bond.
12:30.086 --> 12:32.907
[SPEAKER_00]: And face their mortality because they're looking for a dead child.
12:34.627 --> 12:37.428
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's really moving, it's incredibly well written.
12:37.868 --> 12:42.570
[SPEAKER_00]: My biggest complaint is that the narrator is the Wil Wheaton character, Gordy.
12:43.270 --> 12:46.712
[SPEAKER_00]: He grows up to be a writer and we see book on material, if he was an adult.
12:46.932 --> 12:48.612
[SPEAKER_00]: Played by Richard Dryfiss.
12:48.972 --> 12:53.654
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's no way in hell that Wil Wheaton grew up to be Richard Dryfiss.
12:53.714 --> 12:56.935
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't, they don't look alike, they don't behave or sound alike.
12:56.955 --> 13:00.117
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a, there's a, it's dramatically satisfying.
13:00.317 --> 13:03.558
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I will say, I feel like there's, I don't remember if this was a sketch.
13:04.298 --> 13:06.419
[SPEAKER_01]: or this is a bandella effect kind of thing.
13:06.699 --> 13:14.423
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you'll recall, it's in the 80s and he's writing this book, and that's what we're listening to, on like one of those old computers with like the green screen.
13:14.963 --> 13:19.785
[SPEAKER_01]: And if memory serves when he finishes writing the book, he just turns the computer off.
13:19.925 --> 13:20.126
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
13:20.346 --> 13:20.866
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's it.
13:20.926 --> 13:23.067
[SPEAKER_01]: And that would erase the whole thing.
13:23.087 --> 13:25.148
[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't say it was hard computers, yeah.
13:25.208 --> 13:26.068
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
13:26.429 --> 13:27.449
[SPEAKER_00]: And it didn't have a hard drive yet.
13:27.469 --> 13:29.430
[SPEAKER_00]: We can need to put it in a disk, wait for it to save it.
13:29.450 --> 13:29.670
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
13:29.690 --> 13:30.450
[SPEAKER_00]: Just a few seconds.
13:30.631 --> 13:31.271
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
13:31.811 --> 13:45.985
[SPEAKER_00]: They actually made fun of that in the Mad Magazine spoof, where they said, you'll notice at the end of the movie that I turned this off, and I lost all this money, but look here's what I should have done saved it, and I sold the screenplay, big bucks, like it's really cynical.
13:46.666 --> 13:47.147
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah.
13:47.627 --> 13:48.668
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I really love Stan by me.
13:48.708 --> 13:51.770
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure if it's well-known to people outside of range.
13:51.790 --> 13:54.051
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it's still like reference to a lot.
13:54.071 --> 13:57.853
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how widely viewed it is because when you and I were kids, it was on TV a lot.
13:58.013 --> 14:00.515
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's how 1886, I was a kid at the time.
14:00.575 --> 14:04.137
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how it feels like, that's why it feels like the 80s and through the mid-90s.
14:04.537 --> 14:10.281
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like there's some kind of like, at least as far as movies go into a lesser extent music because of MTV.
14:10.601 --> 14:16.404
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like there's more of a monoculture because we were all just randomly exposed to the same
14:17.545 --> 14:19.886
[SPEAKER_01]: 24 movies in a loop.
14:19.926 --> 14:23.006
[SPEAKER_01]: That Ghostbusters was always on TV.
14:23.486 --> 14:26.467
[SPEAKER_01]: No matter where you are, once a week, Ghostbusters was playing somewhere.
14:26.647 --> 14:30.948
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have cable, but I know that that was HBO's stick for a while.
14:31.368 --> 14:34.308
[SPEAKER_00]: They'd play the same movie three times in a day and some people would just watch it.
14:34.589 --> 14:38.649
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the joke wasn't used to stand for, hey, Beastmaster's on.
14:39.690 --> 14:44.691
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to say that to Don Costco, Rally, who directed Beastmaster, have you heard the joke in HBO
14:48.931 --> 14:49.932
[SPEAKER_01]: What wasn't amused?
14:50.132 --> 14:51.794
[SPEAKER_01]: Beastmaster took place during the summer.
14:51.874 --> 14:55.077
[SPEAKER_01]: That or was just so warm everyone decided to wear their thongs.
14:56.690 --> 15:17.785
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I
15:22.568 --> 15:24.749
[SPEAKER_00]: Greetings from the sun blasted Gulf Coast.
15:25.169 --> 15:26.450
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope you're both keeping well.
15:26.510 --> 15:33.772
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't written an age or two, but I very much enjoyed your discussion of Nolan's The Odyssey, which hit me powerfully and is still on my mind a couple of weeks later.
15:35.213 --> 15:45.857
[SPEAKER_00]: The real reason for this note since after 15 years witnessing your empire ascending flourish remain my two most trusted oracles in media discourse, which isn't critically acclaimed as the venue for my confession.
15:46.872 --> 15:47.614
[SPEAKER_00]: I am the guy.
15:48.196 --> 15:52.368
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm the only person I know who appreciated the RDL of seeing only for God for Gives.
15:53.275 --> 15:56.236
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, you know what, hang on a second.
15:56.516 --> 15:57.536
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no judge.
15:57.556 --> 15:58.917
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a no judge when it's up.
15:58.937 --> 15:59.217
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no.
15:59.297 --> 16:00.157
[SPEAKER_01]: You and I didn't care for it.
16:00.277 --> 16:00.837
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't care.
16:01.417 --> 16:02.177
[SPEAKER_00]: No judgment.
16:02.538 --> 16:03.138
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
16:03.378 --> 16:03.678
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
16:03.698 --> 16:06.259
[SPEAKER_00]: So, well, let's hear him out.
16:06.279 --> 16:06.379
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
16:06.419 --> 16:10.240
[SPEAKER_00]: All I can say in response to that is, well, I didn't like it, but I can't speak to you.
16:10.280 --> 16:12.920
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but I'm curious because there's this movie that's not a lot of defenders.
16:13.000 --> 16:13.601
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
16:13.641 --> 16:18.302
[SPEAKER_00]: Granted, it's been a while since the civil-bit heated argument my wife and I have to watch it together.
16:18.762 --> 16:20.583
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't fault her strong position against one.
16:20.703 --> 16:47.260
[SPEAKER_00]: It's existence or two the need for anyone to sit through it I just agree to disagree Typically when I refer to a movie as quote mean a mean-spirited exercise in nihilism I mean it disparagingly for some reason I say it about only God forgives It's in kind of an impressed tone It's in that quote stylish, but two mean-to-live category with nocturnal animals antichrist and arguably Science Sonos cold fish although that's a far more interesting film movie
16:47.440 --> 16:49.382
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh god, I'm gonna be as bleak as hell.
16:49.842 --> 16:57.269
[SPEAKER_01]: I I question whether there was that that's one of those There's not a lot of those as a few movies where I watched and I'm just like is there going in the universe?
16:58.310 --> 17:06.418
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure after watching Cole's visions and my entire diet or motion picture my wife is going to be going on a prolonged trip pretty soon So I'll be home alone with my kid.
17:06.438 --> 17:10.942
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna put him to bed and my goal while she's out of town is to watch the whole of Satan tango
17:12.757 --> 17:20.880
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't watched but bought on Blu-ray anyway because that's the only way I'm gonna hold myself to say in that film How long is it again seven and a half hours?
17:21.400 --> 17:28.062
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you can do it over of course if a couple of not many people can binge and hold season of fucking stranger things and a night I think you can over a week.
17:28.142 --> 17:32.843
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but station time goes notoriously bleak So if can I do that for seven and a half hours?
17:32.863 --> 17:35.224
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I can't you can do fine.
17:35.244 --> 17:38.645
[SPEAKER_01]: That's my jam But yeah, I would struggle with that but you would be like
17:39.805 --> 17:45.348
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I see only God forgives as a tart insulate retort on the popularity of drive.
17:45.768 --> 17:59.374
[SPEAKER_00]: Short has all that Walter Hill-style bravado works and even evil Albert Brooks and Obermode Ron Perlman, but against international fighting styles and hangups about one's own mother, poor old Gosling forgives, whatever his character name was, never stood a chance.
18:00.235 --> 18:04.177
[SPEAKER_00]: I mainly hate that only God forgives wasn't popular for Kristen Scott Thomas's sake.
18:09.139 --> 18:12.003
[SPEAKER_00]: They'd speak to her in the same breath as Jack Nicholson in the departed.
18:12.044 --> 18:17.312
[SPEAKER_00]: She'd suck a bunch of patty loophones character from Poe who's afraid and extinguish a cigarette on her eyeball.
18:17.392 --> 18:17.892
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, geez.
18:19.683 --> 18:23.844
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have a lot else to justify my position, but since you put the hook out there, I figured I would buy it.
18:23.904 --> 18:26.204
[SPEAKER_00]: Good health and best wishes to you and yours, Dan.
18:26.344 --> 18:27.004
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
18:27.264 --> 18:30.125
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think, well, I have two thoughts of this.
18:30.165 --> 18:34.566
[SPEAKER_01]: First off, very simply, Kristen Scott Thomas is under-appreciated as an actor.
18:34.666 --> 18:35.106
[SPEAKER_00]: Generally.
18:35.146 --> 18:38.126
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, she was celebrated in 1996 alone.
18:38.346 --> 18:43.587
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the 90s were good for her, like the late 90s in particular, and then she started just doing more character stuff.
18:43.607 --> 18:47.388
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it just feels like she hasn't had a great role and well, or rather, more accurately.
18:47.988 --> 18:50.009
[SPEAKER_01]: hasn't had a great role in a good movie.
18:50.429 --> 18:59.575
[SPEAKER_01]: If you may recall, there was a Netflix remake of Alfred Hitchcock's for Becker, rather of, I guess, depending on how you want to look at it, it was like a hit of a TV.
18:59.595 --> 19:00.495
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it was a movie.
19:01.015 --> 19:01.516
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a movie.
19:01.536 --> 19:02.656
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a movie.
19:02.917 --> 19:03.337
[SPEAKER_01]: And it
19:04.603 --> 19:05.124
[SPEAKER_01]: Sucked.
19:05.344 --> 19:06.506
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a little bit of the army hammer.
19:06.586 --> 19:17.859
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's really bad and not and it's not even like he's bad in it But like almost everyone is bad and and the and even though the director is made good movies It's just every decision about it is just kind of things
19:19.069 --> 19:26.553
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like so wrong, it's got like muppets in it, but like it's just not serving the actual story being told.
19:26.813 --> 19:31.656
[SPEAKER_01]: With one exception, Kristen Scott Thomas is Oscar worthy in that movie.
19:32.376 --> 19:38.739
[SPEAKER_01]: She's fantastic, as like the sort of creepy made who has like a ton of secrets, and she's so great.
19:39.360 --> 19:42.942
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, it's just a great example of, she's doing the work.
19:44.288 --> 19:46.789
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's a bad agent, just bad luck.
19:47.009 --> 19:50.930
[SPEAKER_01]: Something, she's just not getting noticed right now, it's a champion.
19:51.371 --> 20:02.475
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish the Academy were brave enough to reward more performances like that, where the movie is just utter crap, but you have a really committed, great performance in the middle.
20:03.525 --> 20:08.390
[SPEAKER_00]: but what they like to reward our good movies with good performances.
20:08.451 --> 20:11.134
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, that's really okay movies with good performances.
20:11.154 --> 20:11.574
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
20:11.754 --> 20:12.996
[SPEAKER_01]: The movies you've been wanted to sit through.
20:13.296 --> 20:15.038
[SPEAKER_01]: I real fast, and this is a tangent.
20:16.079 --> 20:18.842
[SPEAKER_01]: There's something that's been bothering me about Oscar discourse lately.
20:18.882 --> 20:22.827
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw an article recently that was like, here are all these actors who have been
20:23.407 --> 20:50.162
[SPEAKER_01]: Never one in Academy War, but maybe they've been nominated a bunch of times with a really really great And they all have movies coming out this year So here are all the actors who could win an Oscar this year because they're overdue and it made me realize something We talk about like, oh Kate wins let one for the reader not because it was the best performance But because the competition was kind of low when she was overdue doing it wrong Here's you don't you don't you don't you do when an actor is you hang on What are you doing an actor is overdue?
20:50.482 --> 20:51.463
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you get them an Oscar?
20:52.512 --> 20:54.593
[SPEAKER_01]: a lifetime achievement award.
20:54.873 --> 20:56.434
[SPEAKER_01]: That is what that is for.
20:56.454 --> 20:58.475
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you didn't win one competitively.
20:58.615 --> 20:59.516
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't fair.
20:59.956 --> 21:00.356
[SPEAKER_01]: Boom.
21:00.697 --> 21:01.357
[SPEAKER_01]: Enjoy.
21:01.477 --> 21:05.459
[SPEAKER_01]: You earned it, but you don't just like just like, oh, fuck it.
21:05.479 --> 21:06.840
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care who was actually good this year.
21:07.816 --> 21:08.616
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll just give it to them.
21:08.856 --> 21:14.699
[SPEAKER_00]: No, well, I think it's, I think that's a fine way to talk about the Oscars because that's what they're for.
21:15.239 --> 21:18.160
[SPEAKER_00]: They're, but there's a mechanism there for that.
21:18.180 --> 21:19.321
[SPEAKER_00]: I suppose so.
21:19.801 --> 21:23.182
[SPEAKER_01]: One thing of their wasn't, for like, well, we've never invented a lifetime achievement award.
21:23.202 --> 21:25.283
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay, then we're stuck, but we have that.
21:25.503 --> 21:26.744
[SPEAKER_00]: That's literally what it's for.
21:26.844 --> 21:32.526
[SPEAKER_00]: It's always been, and you have even written articles about sort of the cynical origins of the Oscars.
21:32.546 --> 21:33.046
[SPEAKER_00]: How Louie B.
21:33.106 --> 21:34.927
[SPEAKER_00]: Mayor just didn't want to pay unions.
21:35.427 --> 21:56.272
[SPEAKER_00]: So he forms a fancy bubble celebration so he didn't have to pay rape like pay people They basically distracted people everyone was so trying to like focus on like winning and Oscar that the idea was it got them too busy to do anything productive and I looked into that whole story Like I read the book that it comes from about how he was really wary of unions because he actually has a Manchin and Santa Monica California.
21:56.292 --> 22:02.613
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my hometown and he wanted the workers to literally work around the clock just so it was done faster
22:02.953 --> 22:03.173
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
22:03.453 --> 22:06.836
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if they were building a set for a movie, that shit would be done.
22:07.196 --> 22:12.060
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you hire actual contractors outside of the studio system, you have union predictions.
22:12.420 --> 22:13.901
[SPEAKER_01]: It takes forever at a cost for money.
22:14.462 --> 22:17.945
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was that distressed him so much that he thought, wait a minute, these guys have a union.
22:18.005 --> 22:18.885
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't have that.
22:19.606 --> 22:21.587
[SPEAKER_00]: My mention is moving fast enough.
22:22.168 --> 22:22.388
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
22:22.428 --> 22:23.329
[SPEAKER_00]: Poor fucker.
22:23.349 --> 22:24.750
[SPEAKER_00]: So I have...
22:27.057 --> 22:32.178
[SPEAKER_00]: was frustrated for a long time that the Oscars were not any kind of serious gauge of quality.
22:33.798 --> 22:37.999
[SPEAKER_00]: The films that win Best Picture sometimes they're on my top 10 list, often they're not.
22:38.279 --> 22:42.700
[SPEAKER_01]: I think every Oscar year there's like two or three where you're like, get for them.
22:42.860 --> 22:45.060
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, those are good movies.
22:45.080 --> 22:46.641
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they're not, but I'm happy they won an Oscar.
22:46.661 --> 22:47.401
[SPEAKER_01]: Good for them.
22:47.441 --> 22:48.561
[SPEAKER_01]: I was a treat, a trophy.
22:48.641 --> 22:52.362
[SPEAKER_00]: Reminded today that Steven Spielberg's West Side story was dominated for Best Picture.
22:52.482 --> 22:53.562
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that movie a lot.
22:54.205 --> 22:56.570
[SPEAKER_01]: If you listen for Ansel, I'll go and I'd say it was better than the original.
22:56.951 --> 23:01.760
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that he's the one weeklings, but everything, all the other decisions in that movie of fantastic.
23:01.780 --> 23:02.061
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
23:04.390 --> 23:19.401
[SPEAKER_00]: So, as long as that's true, if this is just sort of like a popularity contest about how Hollywood is commenting on itself, rather than any kind of serious critical gauge for a film's quality or lasting cultural impact, we may as well treat it like a game.
23:20.101 --> 23:21.742
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the fun part of it.
23:21.942 --> 23:29.308
[SPEAKER_00]: I watched the telecast so we can dish on outfits and be outraged the films that win and complain about the films that I liked better.
23:29.588 --> 23:30.649
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all part of the ritual.
23:32.710 --> 23:37.753
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of these prognosticating articles that are talking about giving Oscars to movies that haven't been released yet.
23:38.033 --> 23:38.713
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
23:38.854 --> 23:42.195
[SPEAKER_00]: It's also part of that ineffable thing they call buzz.
23:42.696 --> 23:43.556
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
23:43.596 --> 23:44.437
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's all part of the game.
23:44.457 --> 23:45.177
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's all part of the game.
23:45.257 --> 23:49.440
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like playing in every aspect of the game, but I do like playing a lot.
23:49.460 --> 23:53.042
[SPEAKER_01]: My thing is that I think we made a mistake when we started calling the awards.
23:53.882 --> 23:57.266
[SPEAKER_00]: best picture or best or calling the word best editing.
23:57.286 --> 23:58.387
[SPEAKER_00]: You should be outstanding.
23:58.567 --> 24:01.611
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it gives me outstanding achievement in editing, for example.
24:01.971 --> 24:06.156
[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel that is a very important distinction because best we're all going to disagree on that.
24:06.216 --> 24:06.376
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
24:06.556 --> 24:12.863
[SPEAKER_01]: And which means that if we're all voting for the movie or the performance, the art direction, whatever, that we think is the best.
24:13.544 --> 24:13.744
[SPEAKER_01]: right?
24:14.264 --> 24:20.687
[SPEAKER_01]: Then we are all going to disagree and what's going to win is the one we all kind of agree on the most.
24:21.027 --> 24:25.809
[SPEAKER_01]: So instead of everyone picking their number one film of the year, we all end up with our number 12.
24:26.509 --> 24:29.290
[SPEAKER_01]: And then known super duper happy about it most of the time.
24:29.971 --> 24:34.092
[SPEAKER_01]: However, if we focus instead on what was an outstanding achievement.
24:34.633 --> 24:37.033
[SPEAKER_01]: Not as a fairly best, best would be great, but like
24:44.031 --> 24:47.274
[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like that is something that is a little easier to quantify.
24:47.874 --> 25:09.193
[SPEAKER_01]: Where we can say that's like, you know, it's cool that like one battle after another is all these big actors or whatever, but you know what's like an outstanding achievement would rank who alerted in centers that is so much more formally fascinating and so much more of a daring choice to make as a production that I feel like that would have changed that.
25:09.213 --> 25:11.235
[SPEAKER_01]: But I was thinking about this and there's a lot of
25:11.995 --> 25:23.930
[SPEAKER_01]: Oscars and performances that would win under that criteria that I didn't like, but I would still love to admit That's not a standing achievement Good for them, but put in the effort only guy forgives though.
25:24.011 --> 25:24.311
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.
25:24.391 --> 25:25.733
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, only god forgives.
25:26.013 --> 25:27.215
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
25:28.987 --> 25:42.239
[SPEAKER_00]: I can see why people like Nicholas Windingreffen, just because he is a unique filmmaker, he has a very notable aesthetic, and the way his script's tend to work are also very arched.
25:42.299 --> 25:47.484
[SPEAKER_00]: People speak in this very unusual patois that fits into the universe they inhabit.
25:48.144 --> 26:11.963
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... sometimes i can find a way in i couldn't with only got forgives drive i can see his sort of like uh... uh... a reflection of a walter hell movie this is something that looks like a seventy's crime film but it lives in uh... it like a uh... trip hop album cover that kind of stuff um... his latest film her private hell i i have to imagine yet is if
26:13.044 --> 26:31.379
[SPEAKER_00]: As a drama, I don't think it functions, but if you see it as this big kind of, if you think if you understand that the movie is actually set in hell and is the private hell of one of the characters from Neon Demon, then it starts to function a little bit better.
26:31.619 --> 26:35.562
[SPEAKER_00]: I still don't think it's necessarily a little bit entertaining, but it starts to make a little bit more sense.
26:36.763 --> 26:43.925
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm frustrated by only God forgives because I haven't yet found a way in, and I hated it so much I don't want to watch it again to find out.
26:44.026 --> 26:44.366
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
26:45.306 --> 26:51.428
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like Nicolas Windingreffen is very talented, but he's so art house.
26:52.487 --> 26:57.753
[SPEAKER_01]: that I think drive created an accurate expectation of what he's about.
26:57.793 --> 26:59.035
[SPEAKER_01]: It was too accessible.
26:59.715 --> 27:05.462
[SPEAKER_01]: He accidentally made something that wasn't mainstream but connected to the mainstream.
27:05.822 --> 27:09.407
[SPEAKER_01]: So people thought, oh, he's becoming a little bit more like us.
27:09.447 --> 27:10.908
[SPEAKER_01]: It's sort of like your goes land to most.
27:12.470 --> 27:21.634
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he started off doing these extremely, like, O-tray things and then, like, the favor it came out and then, and the lobster to a lesser extent.
27:21.654 --> 27:24.275
[SPEAKER_01]: And everyone's just like, oh, I see how we can get in.
27:24.355 --> 27:25.856
[SPEAKER_01]: I can see how this connects to the mainstream.
27:25.896 --> 27:26.476
[SPEAKER_01]: It's quirky.
27:26.897 --> 27:30.798
[SPEAKER_01]: And then everyone just rubber stamps all his movies for Oscar nominations.
27:30.838 --> 27:35.180
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, even though, by all right, he should be, like, too weird for the Academy.
27:35.200 --> 27:35.741
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
27:35.801 --> 27:38.062
[SPEAKER_01]: And I love it when filmmakers like that break in.
27:38.402 --> 27:38.582
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
27:38.762 --> 27:38.902
[SPEAKER_01]: But,
27:39.142 --> 27:45.865
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like what happens though is that those filmmakers, there's something about their style that remains accessible.
27:46.225 --> 27:50.968
[SPEAKER_01]: David Lynch was always just waffling on this, like Twin Peaks, super accessible.
27:51.288 --> 27:55.610
[SPEAKER_01]: Twin Peaks fire walk with me, pulled back into Arthouse territory, not everybody liked it.
27:55.910 --> 27:57.851
[SPEAKER_01]: Malhall and Drive, everyone loves it.
27:58.131 --> 28:01.353
[SPEAKER_01]: Lost Highway, kind of the same thing, really unpopular.
28:02.329 --> 28:07.592
[SPEAKER_01]: but he was always on the edge of acceptability and they close minding Reffin only did that once.
28:07.612 --> 28:17.957
[SPEAKER_01]: One film that is very accessible to everybody, it's artsy, but it's still a crime movie, it's got a car chase and we can all get behind it and then you watch anything else he does and you're just like, oh, you don't want to be liked.
28:19.418 --> 28:23.020
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you're not trying to appeal to everybody.
28:23.220 --> 28:23.380
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
28:23.440 --> 28:25.981
[SPEAKER_01]: There's just one movie you did that had mainstream appeal.
28:26.742 --> 28:29.043
[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like that set everyone's expectations wrong.
28:30.040 --> 28:34.101
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so yeah, I think only guy that forgives is punishing on purpose.
28:34.502 --> 28:38.403
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but I felt punished and I didn't like it.
28:38.643 --> 28:41.724
[SPEAKER_01]: I go technically you succeeded, but I'd argue you succeeded too well.
28:41.984 --> 28:43.164
[SPEAKER_00]: I do like a good punishment.
28:43.205 --> 28:46.926
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm a big fan of Michael Hanaki, but yeah, that's the one.
28:47.906 --> 28:50.068
[SPEAKER_00]: They're it's possible to do it wrong.
28:50.108 --> 28:55.033
[SPEAKER_00]: It's possible to push me out and that that's one of the films that does it All right, we got another one here's another letter.
28:55.053 --> 28:59.277
[SPEAKER_00]: This one's from Danielle Dear William Viviani and Whitney Sybel.
28:59.538 --> 29:04.623
[SPEAKER_00]: That's us What movie have you seen the most in theaters?
29:05.483 --> 29:17.911
[SPEAKER_00]: What movie if you see it playing in theaters will you always try to go see for me that movie is the fifth element It is one of my favorite movies and because it's cult movie status it plays in theaters near me every two to three years I always try to see it on the big screen.
29:18.251 --> 29:30.779
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry for supporting a loop a song film for he is a shitty person That is Shitty people do make entertainment entertaining entertainment Yeah, he's one of those people who's a shit and once you know
29:31.900 --> 29:51.916
[SPEAKER_01]: more about him a couple of his movies get hard to watch like land the professional is a very well-made movie it is also super duper creepy when you can't give him the benefit of the doubt but also fifth-ounce really fun yeah fifth-ounce and that one works it's still a huge fan of Valerian um I can't pretend he's not talented he says the shit I don't want to support his good
29:53.337 --> 29:56.579
[SPEAKER_00]: I look I already bought the Valerian blue rays not going to get any more money.
29:56.619 --> 29:57.300
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all I can say.
29:57.320 --> 30:04.925
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah But what is the what is the movie above more than any other and let's if they're doing for me I have to discount Rocky horror.
30:04.945 --> 30:06.045
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you guys I've seen that 100.
30:06.065 --> 30:11.569
[SPEAKER_01]: I think any film you've projected doesn't count because you've also projected like every quit and Tarantine I'm sorry.
30:11.629 --> 30:13.670
[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen hateful either once upon a time.
30:13.750 --> 30:14.891
[SPEAKER_00]: I've had hundreds of times each
30:14.991 --> 30:18.312
[SPEAKER_01]: purchase a ticket or have a ticket reserved for you.
30:18.632 --> 30:20.113
[SPEAKER_01]: You were a member of the audience.
30:20.133 --> 30:20.873
[SPEAKER_01]: You weren't in the booth.
30:20.893 --> 30:21.894
[SPEAKER_01]: You weren't with the theater.
30:22.014 --> 30:22.994
[SPEAKER_01]: That's her.
30:23.074 --> 30:25.395
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would say for me, I think there's two answers to this.
30:25.415 --> 30:30.497
[SPEAKER_01]: There's one, which movie did you see the most often when it was like in first run in theaters?
30:30.677 --> 30:30.957
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
30:30.997 --> 30:32.477
[SPEAKER_01]: You saw it over and over again in theaters.
30:32.537 --> 30:36.459
[SPEAKER_01]: And then two, what is the revival movie that you've seen the most?
30:36.679 --> 30:38.059
[SPEAKER_01]: Because those are two different answers.
30:38.139 --> 30:38.740
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see.
30:41.072 --> 30:41.952
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a very strange answer.
30:41.992 --> 30:45.673
[SPEAKER_00]: I've told you this, William, but I don't think the listeners know this story.
30:46.374 --> 30:53.556
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the films I saw six times in theaters, during its initial run, and this was kind of a weird one.
30:53.596 --> 30:56.377
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it should speak to my taste, was soap dish.
30:57.859 --> 31:13.150
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... the comedy about soap operas and randamia uh... i wasn't a soap opera fan i knew nothing about soap operas i just loved the cast i just loved the weird story that movie with the exception of the transphobic ending which is annoying um... at best
31:14.050 --> 31:16.652
[SPEAKER_01]: Up until then that movie's genius is 1991.
31:16.692 --> 31:17.813
[SPEAKER_00]: That was just a joke.
31:17.873 --> 31:21.436
[SPEAKER_01]: They made but at least it's only one But it is right at the end and it's a really sour note.
31:21.456 --> 31:40.751
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but up until then that movie is comedy gold and One of the best things about that movie is that if you know a lot about soap operas, it's great And if you only know like Superficially about soap operas, it's still it's a place that yeah the plot is it's Set during the production of a fake soap opera called the Sun all so sense
31:41.691 --> 31:49.061
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, the the gag is that the actor's lives of this soap opera are just as soap operatic as the their fictional lives in the screen.
31:49.402 --> 31:51.044
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I didn't know I had a daughter.
31:51.485 --> 31:53.908
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, this is not actually impersonating somebody else.
31:53.928 --> 31:55.910
[SPEAKER_00]: My lover is being brought back in to distract me.
31:55.971 --> 31:57.613
[SPEAKER_00]: So these producers can get it on like that.
31:57.633 --> 31:58.314
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
31:58.714 --> 31:59.215
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I think
31:59.575 --> 32:03.959
[SPEAKER_00]: It has Sally Field, Kevin Klein, Robert Downey Jr., Saltam Better.
32:04.800 --> 32:07.162
[SPEAKER_01]: Saltam, Saltam Sonnyer, that's for sure.
32:07.222 --> 32:09.865
[SPEAKER_00]: Elizabeth Shoo, Cathy Morardy, or would be Goldberg?
32:10.165 --> 32:10.766
[SPEAKER_00]: Goldberg and that, right?
32:10.826 --> 32:12.287
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, would be Goldberg and that, right?
32:12.307 --> 32:13.188
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and Carrie Fisher?
32:13.848 --> 32:14.929
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she has a small part of it.
32:14.949 --> 32:17.572
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just everyone's in that fucking movie.
32:19.032 --> 32:42.658
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, so, okay, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right
32:42.858 --> 32:49.043
[SPEAKER_01]: is sleeping with a married man and just refuses to ever realize that he's gonna these never gonna leave his wife for her.
32:49.723 --> 32:52.746
[SPEAKER_01]: Same character she's playing in drop dead Fred.
32:52.946 --> 32:55.468
[SPEAKER_01]: Except in that in that universe you never married Bruno Kirby.
32:55.528 --> 32:57.469
[SPEAKER_01]: So there you go.
32:58.050 --> 33:00.732
[SPEAKER_00]: I also saw and this was kind of a weird one.
33:00.752 --> 33:04.114
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw Aladdin the animated film six times in theaters.
33:05.435 --> 33:08.137
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was just because it was one of those weird things where
33:09.093 --> 33:14.077
[SPEAKER_00]: This was in the 90s where you would just sort of go to theaters or you'd be hanging out in mall areas where theaters were nearby.
33:14.637 --> 33:16.899
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would go to these things in groups of friends.
33:17.039 --> 33:19.461
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was always in a group of like five or six people.
33:20.062 --> 33:21.663
[SPEAKER_00]: One person hadn't seen Aladdin.
33:22.464 --> 33:24.565
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they decided, that's the one we're going to go see.
33:24.625 --> 33:26.347
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody else had seen it maybe once or twice.
33:27.557 --> 33:29.818
[SPEAKER_00]: and they would pay for my ticket.
33:29.858 --> 33:32.859
[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to hang out with friends and somehow that kept happening.
33:32.919 --> 33:34.400
[SPEAKER_01]: Over and over isn't a hard movie to watch.
33:34.440 --> 33:35.920
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's actually really entertaining.
33:35.960 --> 33:38.161
[SPEAKER_00]: But, yeah, it got some racism.
33:38.201 --> 33:41.242
[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't passionate about Aladdin, but I did see it six times in the end.
33:41.262 --> 33:42.263
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you didn't want to.
33:42.463 --> 33:46.544
[SPEAKER_00]: And the other one was a very deliberate choice to watch Star Trek generations.
33:46.764 --> 33:47.145
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
33:47.805 --> 33:50.386
[SPEAKER_00]: It was my favorite TV show, it was turned into a movie.
33:50.566 --> 33:55.228
[SPEAKER_00]: It was one of those things where I kind of felt obligated to let it grow on me, so I watched it over and over again.
33:55.988 --> 34:01.195
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a thrill to see the Enterprise D on the big screen and the lighting was a little different.
34:03.488 --> 34:05.629
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a shitty film.
34:06.129 --> 34:06.909
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not great.
34:07.129 --> 34:08.229
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no.
34:08.490 --> 34:12.151
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, I maintain that none of the next generation films are that good.
34:12.611 --> 34:14.311
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, even the best one is only okay.
34:15.192 --> 34:17.952
[SPEAKER_01]: There's only one that I would give like an unqualified.
34:17.972 --> 34:21.033
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe not significantly qualified positive review, too.
34:21.173 --> 34:21.714
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
34:21.774 --> 34:22.814
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the first concept.
34:22.834 --> 34:23.334
[SPEAKER_01]: First concept.
34:23.734 --> 34:24.534
[SPEAKER_01]: Works for what it is.
34:24.594 --> 34:25.235
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that amazing?
34:25.395 --> 34:26.535
[SPEAKER_01]: No, is it pretty good?
34:26.895 --> 34:34.619
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's kind of like if you don't love Star Trek, they're hard to sit through and if you do love Star Trek Two of them are really hard to sit there.
34:35.239 --> 34:42.723
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say that in selection captures the tone of the show But it's also a shitty movie So it'll be shitty episode.
34:42.783 --> 34:47.465
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah Which they actually did and one called who watches the watchers so those movies.
34:47.505 --> 34:54.088
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw six times in their Infantry and first run and revival revival at the tough one
34:55.989 --> 35:01.030
[SPEAKER_00]: I've recently saw a revival of Hellraiser, but that was the first time I saw it by the big screen.
35:01.650 --> 35:03.871
[SPEAKER_01]: Where do I have to look at the old film?
35:03.891 --> 35:04.411
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
35:04.931 --> 35:06.431
[SPEAKER_01]: Have we seen the most times on the big screen?
35:06.511 --> 35:08.392
[SPEAKER_01]: Especially when we were around or didn't see it.
35:09.052 --> 35:10.432
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably one of the evil dead films.
35:10.472 --> 35:14.253
[SPEAKER_00]: Either evil dead too, or army of darkness, because I would go see those at Midnight shows.
35:14.313 --> 35:15.614
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they used to pose all the time.
35:15.634 --> 35:16.774
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
35:16.894 --> 35:19.595
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a house a bunch of times at Repertory Screening.
35:19.695 --> 35:20.315
[SPEAKER_00]: The Japanese film.
35:20.335 --> 35:21.835
[SPEAKER_01]: The Japanese film in 1977.
35:22.215 --> 35:25.676
[SPEAKER_01]: The American horror movie that just happens to be called House is quite good.
35:26.116 --> 35:27.997
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's no it's not how soon.
35:28.117 --> 35:35.099
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think the most I've ever seen a movie in theaters And it's an Israel run was five times, but I did that with a few different movies.
35:35.179 --> 35:39.680
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, um, the one I did on purpose five times.
35:39.760 --> 35:43.742
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay Not other times I was with friends was the original Spider-Man
35:44.702 --> 35:57.551
[SPEAKER_01]: Which I really loved that the time we felt we met a lot to me at the time it was it's Don't I know it has problems, but also I'm not gonna jump on you There was not like it at the time it was the closest we'd ever had at a mental out to me So I loved it.
35:57.571 --> 36:05.177
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a great movie and then then movies I saw intentionally like once or twice and then ended up getting kind of
36:05.677 --> 36:08.461
[SPEAKER_01]: pulled into three more times, it was the only TV we could agree on.
36:08.481 --> 36:15.530
[SPEAKER_01]: So if an album or independent stay, okay, which I saw intentionally like twice, and then it just was on all summer.
36:15.670 --> 36:16.812
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we came to go too.
36:17.353 --> 36:23.341
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the other one was, and this one's embarrassing, Jay and Silent Bob strike back.
36:25.147 --> 36:27.829
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not a terrible picture, but it's a weird one to see over over.
36:27.929 --> 36:30.311
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, yeah, I saw it like once.
36:30.712 --> 36:33.634
[SPEAKER_01]: I was at Comic Con and they had like a free preview screening of it.
36:33.654 --> 36:34.194
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's out there.
36:34.374 --> 36:34.615
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
36:34.655 --> 36:37.297
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I paid once because I had a friend who was a big fan.
36:37.737 --> 36:38.578
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, no, it was funny.
36:38.598 --> 36:39.078
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll see you again.
36:39.577 --> 36:41.638
[SPEAKER_01]: and then somehow it kept happening.
36:41.658 --> 36:47.441
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even remember the other ones, but I do remember knowing that I saw it five times and I was like, how did this happen?
36:48.061 --> 36:51.543
[SPEAKER_01]: In revival, I know the answer, it's the third man.
36:52.183 --> 36:53.644
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm seeing that a bunch.
36:54.004 --> 36:55.225
[SPEAKER_00]: The third man.
36:55.465 --> 37:02.068
[SPEAKER_01]: The third man, I think, 1949, Carol Reed, kind of comedic film noir with Joseph Cotton and Orson Welles and Valley,
37:02.928 --> 37:11.250
[SPEAKER_01]: But one of my favorite movies, and when I was in junior high early high school, they had a really significant restoration and had a really big wife, right?
37:11.290 --> 37:13.091
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I saw a big deal at the time.
37:13.111 --> 37:20.233
[SPEAKER_01]: And I saw that in theaters at least twice, and then it's been released a couple more times, and I saw at least once every time.
37:20.633 --> 37:26.158
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I think I saw at least one extra just kind of random screening at like UCLA as well.
37:26.198 --> 37:29.842
[SPEAKER_01]: So I've seen that at least five or six times in a theater and it's great.
37:30.282 --> 37:32.264
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love that movie.
37:32.344 --> 37:33.225
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would go again.
37:33.325 --> 37:35.967
[SPEAKER_01]: That's my answer to the one I would buy ticket to again over and over.
37:36.308 --> 37:39.030
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a, I'm not sure if this quite counts.
37:39.050 --> 37:46.437
[SPEAKER_00]: But there was a time when I saw the same movie in a theater twice, bought tickets in the same day, were you making out?
37:47.280 --> 37:47.980
[SPEAKER_00]: No, okay.
37:48.500 --> 37:51.081
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw that was the reason.
37:51.421 --> 37:52.522
[SPEAKER_00]: I am, I have done that.
37:54.422 --> 37:55.303
[SPEAKER_00]: We've all done that.
37:55.463 --> 37:57.063
[SPEAKER_00]: But, but take it specifically for necking.
37:57.083 --> 37:58.104
[SPEAKER_00]: I think everybody's done that.
37:58.124 --> 38:00.284
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's whatever is in the neck.
38:00.345 --> 38:06.987
[SPEAKER_01]: And also that's probably isn't super crowded, which is how I ended up when I was a kid making out through a civil action.
38:08.967 --> 38:12.048
[SPEAKER_00]: We chose the English patient, because that gave us more time.
38:12.129 --> 38:13.329
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, it was a sign for reference.
38:14.103 --> 38:28.175
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a, I guess, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
38:28.823 --> 38:30.564
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't the ghosts are cool looking.
38:30.584 --> 38:31.105
[SPEAKER_01]: The ghosts are cool.
38:31.165 --> 38:32.946
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fun cast, Matthew Lillard's having a good time.
38:33.026 --> 38:37.049
[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate that they made references to the Percepto gag.
38:37.089 --> 38:37.189
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
38:37.209 --> 38:39.170
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not the Percepto, the Illusio gag.
38:39.230 --> 38:40.511
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're the William Castle did.
38:40.571 --> 38:46.335
[SPEAKER_01]: When you're in that haunted house in the movie, there are glasses you could put on that allow you to see the ghost, but if you're not wearing them, you can't see the ghost.
38:46.395 --> 38:46.816
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
38:46.936 --> 38:48.697
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish they got a lot of, get a lot of mileage out of that.
38:48.717 --> 38:57.601
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they put those goggles in the remake of the movie and it was one of those things where it's like I have the day free the movie just opened I'm gonna go see a movie.
38:57.621 --> 39:00.242
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to do that and it wouldn't later in the afternoon.
39:00.262 --> 39:09.507
[SPEAKER_00]: I got a call from a friend and said remember you said you said that you'd see that with me It's like oh, I did say that like I forgot I had promised a friend so I went to second time because I promised a friend.
39:09.527 --> 39:09.907
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd see it
39:10.928 --> 39:21.558
[SPEAKER_01]: My memory of seeing 13 ghosts was, I saw it at a theater in Westwood, California, and there were like five people in that theater, but the person sitting directly behind me was Billy Corgan.
39:22.519 --> 39:23.600
[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of weird.
39:23.660 --> 39:26.803
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not 100% sure about this, but this is what I inferred.
39:27.143 --> 39:30.526
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was there with his parents or at least two older relatives.
39:31.969 --> 39:32.590
[SPEAKER_01]: with his parents.
39:32.650 --> 39:34.191
[SPEAKER_01]: I see that time goes.
39:34.371 --> 39:37.754
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't confirm that, but that was the vibe.
39:38.355 --> 39:49.865
[SPEAKER_01]: This was like, I'm out with my parents or my aunt and uncle or two old family friends, and it felt like he just wasn't super happy to be seeing 13 ghosts with them, but I just saw just what I overheard.
39:53.388 --> 39:57.812
[SPEAKER_01]: That was, there was the time I was in the same theater as Gwyneth Paltrow watching mimic.
39:58.513 --> 39:59.374
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a little weird too.
39:59.414 --> 40:01.195
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, fun movie.
40:01.215 --> 40:01.375
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
40:02.556 --> 40:03.356
[SPEAKER_00]: I like men with all right.
40:03.376 --> 40:05.557
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, kind of kind of kind of cockroach monster.
40:05.578 --> 40:10.421
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of realized by by crappy forced explosion ending, but other than that's fun.
40:10.861 --> 40:11.001
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
40:11.201 --> 40:18.285
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, so yeah, those are not necessarily reflective of like my taste or my personality as a critic.
40:18.305 --> 40:20.507
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just sort of where fate guided me.
40:21.227 --> 40:22.429
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're from the 90s.
40:23.369 --> 40:25.792
[SPEAKER_00]: We were teenagers in the 90s and we're under team and options.
40:25.812 --> 40:29.675
[SPEAKER_00]: Then we have now not just that, but people were just at theaters more often.
40:29.695 --> 40:36.321
[SPEAKER_00]: People would just go to movie theaters and see what was playing and going to see films multiple times was more common.
40:36.401 --> 40:41.286
[SPEAKER_01]: Well that's something like when you were home and you were watching TV, you were limited by what happened to be on TV.
40:41.506 --> 40:45.430
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you wanted to watch something on purpose, you could either rent it or go to a movie theater,
40:46.040 --> 41:06.935
[SPEAKER_01]: and both were kind of like your two other options and it was very common was a very very very popular thing so yeah there were movies I saw two three times without trying I just know because that's what was playing up to the last three times yeah that's how I saw the lost world drastic park three times yeah I was like I don't even like that man I like it a little but like I didn't like that movie at the time but I was like I don't know it's a summer after
41:07.715 --> 41:14.961
[SPEAKER_00]: There's the summer of 96 some friends of I we kind of drifted from theater theater We saw Twister the rock and the Phantom all the same day.
41:14.981 --> 41:18.444
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's a pretty good triple feature I know you hated the rock, but like we want to get triplefeet.
41:18.484 --> 41:26.050
[SPEAKER_00]: We wanted to stay for mission impossible, but it was getting Those are on the theater at the same time That's a fun summer.
41:26.350 --> 41:27.651
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a fun summer.
41:27.671 --> 41:28.272
[SPEAKER_01]: I do six.
41:28.292 --> 41:28.872
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good one.
41:29.152 --> 41:29.273
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
41:30.200 --> 41:32.721
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, what are we going to this is a letter from Tim, hello, Tim.
41:32.801 --> 41:33.801
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't.
41:34.101 --> 41:35.341
[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, Bibs, I'm rock-mysterious, cool.
41:36.062 --> 41:40.543
[SPEAKER_00]: Last night, I saw the wrong girls in a theater after taking it edible.
41:40.903 --> 41:42.023
[SPEAKER_00]: And I had an excellent time.
41:42.043 --> 41:43.423
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a stone or comedy, they're wrong girls.
41:43.443 --> 41:48.425
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I remember when I reviewed it, I said, like, I need to watch it well-high to know if it's truly a great start.
41:49.745 --> 41:53.869
[SPEAKER_00]: I like to take animals at home once in a while, but this is my first time doing so in public.
41:54.309 --> 41:57.812
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I felt like the wrong girls was literally made to be watched while high.
41:58.193 --> 42:02.376
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the film and walked out thinking this is my number one movie of the years before.
42:02.436 --> 42:04.358
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's my question though.
42:04.558 --> 42:08.742
[SPEAKER_00]: Should my opinion of the film, quote, count, if I've only seen it while high?
42:09.451 --> 42:17.055
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it fair to compare and rank them against the likes of I love boosters or scary movie or the Odyssey for that matter when I watched those sober?
42:17.495 --> 42:32.644
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm imagining if there was a professional film critic out there whose gimmick was that they only reviewed movies that they watched while innebriated, putting aside any real or practical concern for their health, would it be more fair to take their criticism as equal or should critiques only be taken seriously after a sober watch?
42:32.684 --> 42:34.445
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to answer these questions individually.
42:34.685 --> 42:38.227
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just curious about the broader implications of critiquing the film while you've seen while innebriated.
42:38.627 --> 42:42.010
[SPEAKER_00]: I love you guys in your work, best wishes to you and your family's Tim.
42:42.290 --> 42:48.414
[SPEAKER_00]: I bonus heavyweight, I chance to see the invite, the movies in my top five of the year, and I was bummed you never talked about it on critically acclaimed.
42:48.434 --> 42:50.456
[SPEAKER_01]: I still haven't had chance to get around to that.
42:50.476 --> 43:01.283
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I have, I'm reviewing a lot of movies at the rap, and I have to prioritize the ones that I'm assigned, and we reviewed the invite, like I think out of a festival or something, so someone had already gotten to it.
43:01.524 --> 43:02.724
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I couldn't prioritize it.
43:02.744 --> 43:05.887
[SPEAKER_01]: I will see before the end of the year, my girlfriend really liked it a lot.
43:06.607 --> 43:08.328
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I will take that out.
43:08.928 --> 43:19.494
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, first off, I would be shocked if there aren't several podcasts or YouTubers or TikTok film critics.
43:19.934 --> 43:21.495
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's thing is they watch movies well high.
43:21.655 --> 43:24.296
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's it'd be a weird me shit if no one filled it.
43:24.657 --> 43:26.578
[SPEAKER_00]: Who was the Doug Benson's got to be out there?
43:26.698 --> 43:28.579
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, no, he had a whole podcast.
43:28.639 --> 43:29.459
[SPEAKER_00]: It was the whole thing.
43:29.619 --> 43:30.780
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so there you go.
43:30.820 --> 43:34.222
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, there was, um, there was called Getting Doug with high, which I think was really fun.
43:34.262 --> 43:36.503
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there was almost, I feel like there was Hannah something.
43:36.523 --> 43:38.264
[SPEAKER_00]: There was someone who was like the drunk chef.
43:39.164 --> 43:42.046
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he was actually would just get amusingly drunk while trying to cook.
43:42.326 --> 43:44.607
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and I can't remember what her name was.
43:44.647 --> 43:47.469
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a while since I've seen her in the, in like the spotlight, but she was really funny.
43:49.753 --> 43:51.695
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I have an interesting opinion on this.
43:51.715 --> 43:53.016
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious what you'll add on it.
43:53.116 --> 44:01.082
[SPEAKER_00]: I think if you are professional, it's not good to watch a film while I'm liberated because that does affect your opinion.
44:01.282 --> 44:02.123
[SPEAKER_00]: Especially the first time.
44:02.163 --> 44:09.969
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's only been one time I took an alcoholic beverage offered me by the publicists, which they tried to do sometimes.
44:10.410 --> 44:13.052
[SPEAKER_00]: They give cocktails to the critics, hoping to get you a liquored up.
44:13.532 --> 44:14.733
[SPEAKER_00]: soft in your opinion a little bit.
44:14.773 --> 44:18.314
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, whether that's conscious or subconscious, that's definitely the vibe.
44:18.494 --> 44:20.355
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the one time I did that was for cats.
44:20.615 --> 44:21.995
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, you ruined it.
44:23.356 --> 44:25.336
[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, that's that's going to be a week-ass drink.
44:25.376 --> 44:26.297
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to get me drunk.
44:26.317 --> 44:28.958
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not pouring like heavy high quality stuff.
44:28.978 --> 44:31.419
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they take plastic champagne, but no, I took one.
44:31.879 --> 44:36.100
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, it's covered with a little sheet of fondant with the cat's logo printed on it.
44:36.320 --> 44:39.302
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you eat it and it tasted like pineapple juice and it just made me say,
44:40.582 --> 44:41.803
[SPEAKER_01]: Fondent is decorative.
44:41.863 --> 44:48.468
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's edible and sometimes it's not bad, but it's not that's not why we have it We have it so that we can make stuff look like stuff.
44:48.588 --> 44:52.531
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so you can make yeah cake look rounder for some reason It's just don't want to create a fun shape.
44:52.971 --> 44:54.412
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it works.
44:54.432 --> 44:55.133
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a sculpting.
44:55.173 --> 45:02.878
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm fine But I would never but just fondant, you know, but I I Apart from caffeine
45:04.379 --> 45:10.302
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no substance, I think, you should take before watching a film.
45:10.742 --> 45:12.884
[SPEAKER_01]: And can't even like sugar like candy?
45:12.904 --> 45:14.144
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe candy, too, if you like.
45:14.724 --> 45:19.327
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like to eat during movies, coffee, not coffee, just tea or water, that's all I mean.
45:22.716 --> 45:26.159
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes it's required sometimes we go into screenings and we're really fatigued.
45:26.419 --> 45:26.559
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
45:26.679 --> 45:37.328
[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen a lot of movies that I've had to review professional Anna and I'm kind of regret having to admit this where I have been just tired out of my mind and I can't say if that affected my opinion of the movie or not.
45:37.368 --> 45:38.029
[SPEAKER_00]: I like to think that
45:39.103 --> 45:44.347
[SPEAKER_00]: whether I were alert or fatigued, I would be able to understand what's going on in the film regardless.
45:44.447 --> 45:45.088
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
45:45.168 --> 45:47.149
[SPEAKER_00]: I can be really alert and still miss pot points.
45:47.490 --> 45:49.071
[SPEAKER_00]: And I can be really tired and have some of them.
45:49.111 --> 45:53.955
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes you're bored and you're just not being, you know, the movie loses you or the movie's confusing.
45:54.115 --> 45:59.559
[SPEAKER_00]: So sometimes I'll have like maybe a shot of espresso or a hot tea in my hand while I'm watching a movie.
46:00.020 --> 46:00.480
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's it.
46:00.540 --> 46:05.004
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like if you're drunk, your perception is altered too much.
46:05.064 --> 46:05.584
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot.
46:05.684 --> 46:17.073
[SPEAKER_00]: to really, especially if you've had like two or three cocktails and you're just really out there, that said, if you want to watch a film like that, recreationally, go hop, go knock yourself out, that's fine.
46:17.153 --> 46:26.320
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're entitled to your opinion, especially if you're not professional critic, you're not like writing reviews for publication or anything like that, all bets are off as long as you're being safe, like knock yourself out.
46:27.020 --> 46:32.345
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think your point is kind of where I'm at and but I think it's gonna come here for a different angle because
46:33.145 --> 46:37.667
[SPEAKER_01]: If you watch a movie well, hi, you're taking that a bull, you smoke a joint, whatever you want to do.
46:37.807 --> 46:43.609
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, if it's not going in your area, if it's legal in your area, if it's safe to do some people like our on medication, it's not good for them.
46:44.270 --> 46:49.652
[SPEAKER_01]: And if it's not legal, you know, I can't control your actions and I endorse nothing, but we all know what you're doing.
46:50.292 --> 47:07.823
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think that if, whether you're high or drunk or sugar-addled or ultra-cathinated or sleep-deprived, which affects your state of mind, yeah, um,
47:08.673 --> 47:15.538
[SPEAKER_01]: or even just sad, yeah, or if you're super happy, something really nice, I have a new.
47:15.838 --> 47:28.827
[SPEAKER_01]: There's all kinds of ways to have your perception or your mood altered from your baseline normal when you go into a work of art and it's gonna tint that in some small way.
47:28.867 --> 47:35.472
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you do this for a living and you do it a lot, hopefully you're kind of aware of what that does to you and you can sort of sort of mentally compensate for that.
47:38.495 --> 47:39.396
[SPEAKER_01]: I was having a bad day.
47:39.416 --> 47:40.298
[SPEAKER_01]: The movie isn't that bad.
47:40.338 --> 47:41.561
[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's not that bad.
47:41.781 --> 47:47.693
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just responding to it negatively because I got some bad news right before the screening or something I'm not going to blame the movie for that
47:48.324 --> 47:54.806
[SPEAKER_01]: But I also think on some level, there's unless you're actively trying to control that by getting drunk ahead of time, you can't control that.
47:55.346 --> 48:06.829
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I think if there is some influence, I don't see it as that big deal, but I do believe that unless you're gimmick and it's stated, I watch it in review of me as well.
48:07.089 --> 48:07.289
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
48:07.989 --> 48:08.770
[SPEAKER_01]: Knock yourself out.
48:08.990 --> 48:13.331
[SPEAKER_01]: That could be really fun if you're still intelligent or articulate or funny, go for it.
48:14.300 --> 48:16.121
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but generally speaking, I would say no.
48:16.241 --> 48:22.024
[SPEAKER_01]: I will say there is one exception, though, and I, it's so what you just said, um, if you're sleep deprived, okay.
48:22.084 --> 48:22.604
[SPEAKER_01]: And I will say this.
48:23.065 --> 48:25.626
[SPEAKER_01]: If obviously if I fell asleep during a movie, I couldn't review.
48:25.846 --> 48:26.086
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
48:26.226 --> 48:26.767
[SPEAKER_01]: Couldn't do it.
48:26.847 --> 48:27.227
[SPEAKER_01]: Never went.
48:27.627 --> 48:32.990
[SPEAKER_01]: But there is something I've had to do, and sometimes I've done by accident.
48:33.819 --> 48:38.142
[SPEAKER_01]: that I have discovered for me is the ultimate litmus test for a movie's.
48:38.923 --> 48:41.565
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not overall quality, but certainly it's entertainment value.
48:41.685 --> 48:51.393
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, if it keeps you out, if it keeps you out, if I have, for 36 hours, and I watch a movie thinking, I could fall asleep with a melody of this, and the movie keeps me alert.
48:51.873 --> 48:52.354
[SPEAKER_01]: Good movie.
48:53.074 --> 48:54.035
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good point.
48:54.075 --> 48:56.057
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good movie, right there.
48:56.317 --> 48:57.658
[SPEAKER_01]: It's never test that on purpose.
48:57.678 --> 48:59.740
[SPEAKER_01]: That's dangerous for your health, but it can happen.
49:03.833 --> 49:31.403
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... it certainly a good test that a film is uh... like has a certain set um... propulsion or entertainment value yet it's been your attention yet there are some of my favorite movies i couldn't watch while asleep like uh... or uh... or uh... tire when i'm really tired like uh... one of my favorite movies is david lynches eraser had that's a quiet slow moving film there's a lot of white noise uh... in fact white noise puts me to sleep so it actually relaxes me that's why i've never finished beyond the black
49:32.843 --> 49:37.245
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of room to it and I swear to God, it's the exact tone that puts me to sleep.
49:37.285 --> 49:38.326
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never been able to finish it.
49:38.446 --> 49:41.307
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I've tried to watch Midnight shows.
49:41.347 --> 49:43.928
[SPEAKER_00]: If your racer had one of my favorite movies, I know what it's going.
49:43.988 --> 49:47.230
[SPEAKER_00]: It really kind of is like at this nightmare of despair.
49:47.250 --> 49:48.490
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that movie.
49:49.291 --> 49:52.372
[SPEAKER_00]: But if I'm tired going in, I might make it to the end.
49:52.592 --> 50:04.337
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, of course some movies are really Propulsive and full of action and I still fall asleep There's nothing other interesting or fun like just they're trying the first time I tried to watch James Cameron's Aliens.
50:05.018 --> 50:12.201
[SPEAKER_01]: I was at a midnight show and I fell asleep halfway through Yeah, no, I remember when I was in college I had literally pulled like
50:13.441 --> 50:30.473
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been up for 40 hours, I was finals, I was exhausted, I pushed everything back way to the end, and I had to walk across campus to deliver my homework, or my take home final, and then I had to walk back and I was just gonna fucking collapse on that bed and sleep for 24 hours straight.
50:31.233 --> 50:36.457
[SPEAKER_01]: But on my way back, I noticed that a free screening of Billy Elliott was just about to start.
50:37.340 --> 50:41.065
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's free, and I thought to myself, okay, one, I kind of want to see that movie.
50:41.886 --> 50:45.711
[SPEAKER_01]: Two, three, it's right here, there's no barrier to entry.
50:46.371 --> 50:49.615
[SPEAKER_01]: And three, if I don't, if I'm, if it's boring, I'll fall asleep.
50:49.936 --> 50:50.757
[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't fall asleep.
50:51.979 --> 51:10.628
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying Billy Elliott is a timeless classic but that movie plays that movie plays very well it's a good gauges like what's what's a big crowd pleaser that's going to keep you out there's a movie I work we're going to review it on the next episode of critically claimed that did that just the other night I've been I had like three hours to sleep in the last 24 I was 48 hours
51:12.029 --> 51:32.351
[SPEAKER_01]: And but I was like I'm gonna try to see if I can watch I had to review it for work But I was like if I'm too tired I'll I'll start it over again tomorrow And I'll give it a fair shake But I ended up watching it all the way through because it was so fun It is a new Netflix movie called Best of the Best Which is basically a Bollywood themed step up movie
51:33.092 --> 51:35.273
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, I'm there really well made.
51:35.373 --> 51:44.616
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying it's like Oscar worthy, but like it's just that movie about as good as that movie gets yeah And I was just totally swept up and I even mentioned it in my review.
51:44.636 --> 51:48.358
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like this is a movie that will keep your attention if you're dangerously sleep deprived
51:49.930 --> 51:57.113
[SPEAKER_01]: Which I have some experience with yes So yeah, no, but if you're not professional your opinion's fine.
51:57.573 --> 52:01.995
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe give that caveat I've never seen it when I'm not high so like if you're not gonna watch it.
52:02.175 --> 52:05.497
[SPEAKER_01]: I but if I can't necessarily recommend that But I'll tell you it's recommend the bowl.
52:05.537 --> 52:06.317
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought when I was a nine.
52:06.377 --> 52:07.098
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was hilarious.
52:07.258 --> 52:12.080
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but yeah, if I'm reviewing it in any kind of professional capacity or on a podcast
52:12.938 --> 52:34.264
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna get drunk definitely not drunk definitely not stoned yeah maybe if i've already seen it a couple of times and i'm just sort of like remembering it i remember i i was stoned a lot in my twenties there was a type like between like college and kind of figuring out what i actually wanted to do with my life in career because like a couple of years there was stoned quite a bit
52:35.124 --> 52:41.351
[SPEAKER_01]: and what I discovered is there's one bonus to that and it's not good enough to justify being high that much.
52:41.391 --> 52:49.961
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually don't think that's a good idea and what's it's like medicinal and that works for you, which is you can watch the same thing for the first time twice.
52:50.697 --> 52:56.761
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, like I watched all of Avatar the last airbender and then I when I watched it again I was like, oh, I don't remember this episode at all.
52:56.781 --> 53:02.545
[SPEAKER_00]: This is awesome Yeah, I have you you can count the number of times.
53:02.565 --> 53:10.891
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been high on one hand Um, yeah, and each time has been a via an edible, which yeah is very strong It's me too hard.
53:10.911 --> 53:11.311
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like them.
53:11.731 --> 53:16.454
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like I look amulting into my chair Yeah, I don't want to my my body feels really really heavy.
53:16.494 --> 53:17.275
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't mono
53:17.535 --> 53:22.036
[SPEAKER_00]: and I can't concentrate on any one thing, which I think is supposed to be the point.
53:22.056 --> 53:25.177
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't really keep a train of thought going.
53:25.577 --> 53:31.219
[SPEAKER_00]: So I could put on a movie while I was that high, but I wouldn't really be perceiving it.
53:31.279 --> 53:33.660
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it just kind of be passing through my perceptions.
53:33.960 --> 53:34.400
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
53:34.500 --> 53:34.740
[SPEAKER_00]: So,
53:35.825 --> 53:37.585
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't ever watched, like I tried.
53:37.605 --> 53:38.886
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, I've heard about this.
53:38.926 --> 53:40.706
[SPEAKER_00]: You start a movie and you watch it well, hi, and it changes.
53:40.746 --> 53:41.526
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, no, I can't.
53:42.006 --> 53:43.467
[SPEAKER_00]: I can barely see the screen.
53:43.507 --> 53:45.147
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, maybe I'm too high.
53:45.907 --> 53:49.388
[SPEAKER_01]: The most weed I've ever smoked in my life.
53:51.109 --> 53:53.949
[SPEAKER_01]: I watched, oh, I think it was an Italian horror movie.
53:54.649 --> 53:56.550
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it would want to make sure I get the pedal, right?
53:56.570 --> 54:00.191
[SPEAKER_01]: M-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m
54:06.111 --> 54:17.557
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, also known as big alligator river, which I'm pretty sure is the title I saw it under Which is a Sergio martino film about a God that takes the form.
54:17.577 --> 54:31.483
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just reading up the Wikipedia The God that takes the form of a man eating crocodile and a text tourist that a newly built resort after it becomes angered by encroachment on its land Okay, could be worse It's got melphorare in there for some reason I
54:35.508 --> 54:37.929
[SPEAKER_01]: couldn't tell you what happened to that movie put a gun to my head.
54:38.649 --> 54:42.830
[SPEAKER_01]: I have these weird surreal flashbacks to that movie sometimes.
54:43.130 --> 54:46.691
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I don't know if that was the thing.
54:47.031 --> 54:53.413
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if I can ever return to big alligator river because I feel like it might trigger an unpleasant episode.
54:54.714 --> 54:55.334
[SPEAKER_01]: We should move on.
54:55.474 --> 54:55.654
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
54:56.434 --> 54:59.775
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, here is a letter from, oh, I shoot a head one up.
55:00.156 --> 55:00.396
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
55:00.456 --> 55:00.656
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
55:00.676 --> 55:02.036
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's a letter from Jacob.
55:02.297 --> 55:02.677
[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, Jacob.
55:02.737 --> 55:04.277
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, hi, bibs of Whitney.
55:04.878 --> 55:07.098
[SPEAKER_00]: I come bringing one question and one statement.
55:07.399 --> 55:07.659
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
55:09.139 --> 55:10.420
[SPEAKER_00]: I like big butts and I cannot lie.
55:10.500 --> 55:11.560
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's not okay.
55:11.880 --> 55:12.821
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, oh, that was winning.
55:12.841 --> 55:13.041
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
55:13.221 --> 55:13.641
[SPEAKER_00]: Number one.
55:14.041 --> 55:14.622
[SPEAKER_00]: That's sorry.
55:14.702 --> 55:15.282
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just me.
55:15.502 --> 55:16.702
[SPEAKER_00]: I really, I'm expressing to people.
55:16.742 --> 55:17.263
[SPEAKER_00]: Why would you lie?
55:17.543 --> 55:21.224
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, my brother like small butts and cannot tell the truth.
55:26.680 --> 55:32.343
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, as a younger student, as a younger student to film, how important is pre-gaming before seeing a movie?
55:32.603 --> 55:33.903
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, this is kind of a long-the-same line.
55:34.203 --> 55:41.306
[SPEAKER_00]: For example, I recently saw sheep in the box, the latest film from Heracazicora Ada, without having seen any of his films before.
55:41.727 --> 55:46.109
[SPEAKER_00]: I have since gone back and watched some of his earlier films, but part of me feels like I did this process all wrong.
55:46.609 --> 55:55.693
[SPEAKER_00]: Are there certain directors where it would be who view to expose yourself to their work before seeing a new movie from them, or should a movie be enjoyable on its own terms?
55:56.473 --> 55:59.675
[SPEAKER_00]: And number two, I actually had my first review published.
55:59.855 --> 56:00.735
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, congratulations.
56:00.755 --> 56:03.356
[SPEAKER_00]: National outlet in my hometown where I reviewed Nimrods.
56:03.697 --> 56:05.398
[SPEAKER_00]: That's also Nimrods is so much fun.
56:05.458 --> 56:05.918
[SPEAKER_00]: Congratulations.
56:05.958 --> 56:06.798
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll never forget your first.
56:07.018 --> 56:07.559
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
56:07.699 --> 56:08.139
[SPEAKER_00]: What was yours?
56:09.938 --> 56:10.278
[SPEAKER_01]: I forget.
56:11.160 --> 56:19.109
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think it was one of those ones where I reviewed a advanced screening that you weren't supposed to review.
56:19.650 --> 56:28.360
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it was for the straight, we ended up going straight to video, the Solvester Stallone Serial Killer movie Detox.
56:28.861 --> 56:29.322
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, weird.
56:29.702 --> 56:30.523
[SPEAKER_00]: which is not a bad movie.
56:31.124 --> 56:31.745
[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay.
56:31.805 --> 56:32.546
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not amazing.
56:32.686 --> 56:36.551
[SPEAKER_01]: It was the the guy who directed I know which is the last summer was his follow-up.
56:36.591 --> 56:41.617
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone thought it was going to be a big thing and then I just the it wasn't testing well and then that's B was the director's name.
56:41.637 --> 56:42.859
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think Jim Gilles Jim Gilles.
56:42.879 --> 56:47.465
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I re-watched years later as it's not terrible, it's not very good.
56:48.486 --> 56:52.249
[SPEAKER_00]: The accomplishment itself is really nice, but I primarily wanted to thank you the two of you.
56:52.709 --> 56:56.353
[SPEAKER_00]: I go as to become a professional film critic and any bit of success I have.
56:56.393 --> 57:00.737
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel the credit should go to the critics who have inspired me and you guys have as much as anybody.
57:00.757 --> 57:01.697
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you so much.
57:01.757 --> 57:02.678
[SPEAKER_00]: That's very nice.
57:02.738 --> 57:07.162
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, also very honored, but also, also this is on you.
57:07.182 --> 57:07.763
[SPEAKER_00]: This is on you.
57:08.103 --> 57:11.586
[SPEAKER_00]: You achieve that and I would love to read that review.
57:13.697 --> 57:17.718
[SPEAKER_00]: the life of a film critic is is a tough road ahead.
57:18.258 --> 57:20.578
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's hard to be living at now.
57:20.598 --> 57:22.099
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to make it living at it.
57:22.139 --> 57:25.299
[SPEAKER_00]: But we do it because we have the passion for it.
57:25.319 --> 57:27.140
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to do a lot of paying dues.
57:27.800 --> 57:32.581
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's it's very edifying because you get to consume a lot of great art.
57:33.361 --> 57:36.582
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I've been listening to you guys since 2017.
57:36.782 --> 57:37.022
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
57:37.762 --> 57:41.383
[SPEAKER_00]: And over that time, you guys have taught me a lot about how to look at cinema, exposed me.
57:42.223 --> 57:43.905
[SPEAKER_00]: to films I never would have tried out otherwise.
57:44.325 --> 57:50.492
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, as I'm writing this, I just watch Roger Corman's The Haunted Palace, which I found to be delightful and rather would have been.
57:50.733 --> 57:52.775
[SPEAKER_00]: Thought to look for it if it wasn't for your show.
57:53.195 --> 57:57.140
[SPEAKER_00]: Additionally, a few things bring me more joy than Whitney and I actually agree on a movie.
57:58.462 --> 58:00.523
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not that big a stick on the mind.
58:00.543 --> 58:03.084
[SPEAKER_01]: There's always one person in a critic duo.
58:03.104 --> 58:08.025
[SPEAKER_01]: You you you you you Jive with yeah Jive jive jive jive with a beat jive.
58:08.045 --> 58:08.806
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
58:09.346 --> 58:19.749
[SPEAKER_00]: All right all that is to say I'm really glad you found you both through the movie trivia Shmodown all those years ago and I'm grateful for the lessons I have picked up along the way It's helped me become a better student of cinema and a better critic.
58:19.809 --> 58:20.730
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you Jay couple.
58:20.750 --> 58:21.110
[SPEAKER_00]: That's very
58:21.990 --> 58:26.653
[SPEAKER_01]: We, we, we connected to a lot of people through the movie trivia showdown.
58:26.673 --> 58:28.534
[SPEAKER_01]: It really introduced us to a pretty big audience.
58:28.614 --> 58:29.495
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very grateful for that.
58:29.555 --> 58:31.957
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a silly show, but it was a great crowd.
58:32.017 --> 58:32.837
[SPEAKER_00]: So much wow.
58:32.857 --> 58:33.998
[SPEAKER_00]: So many great people in that.
58:34.058 --> 58:37.940
[SPEAKER_00]: I would just go, I mean even even if I didn't compete one day, I would just go.
58:38.161 --> 58:44.044
[SPEAKER_01]: Just hang out with like my peers and other interesting people actors who were like just loved the movie trivia.
58:44.365 --> 58:45.425
[SPEAKER_01]: Just wonderful folks.
58:45.826 --> 58:46.386
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, yeah.
58:46.746 --> 58:48.087
[SPEAKER_00]: That's for your first question.
58:49.788 --> 58:51.290
[SPEAKER_00]: Should every film stand out to own?
58:51.911 --> 58:52.411
[SPEAKER_00]: On paper?
58:52.692 --> 58:53.613
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they should.
58:53.633 --> 59:00.300
[SPEAKER_00]: I even feel that way about sequels There have been many instances in my life where I saw a sequel before I saw the original.
59:00.560 --> 59:03.964
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I always make it a point to watch the movie before I read the book
59:05.666 --> 59:08.268
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I feel the movie should be telling me the story on its own.
59:08.308 --> 59:11.991
[SPEAKER_00]: I shouldn't see the movie as an adjunct of the book.
59:12.071 --> 59:13.212
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes that can't be helped.
59:13.392 --> 59:14.873
[SPEAKER_00]: You make another adaptation of Hamlet.
59:15.114 --> 59:15.994
[SPEAKER_00]: I have so many letters.
59:16.014 --> 59:18.777
[SPEAKER_01]: You happen to read a book because you think it's interesting in the New Year's Later, they make a movie.
59:18.797 --> 59:19.557
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't control that.
59:19.838 --> 59:21.759
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's like an happens.
59:21.839 --> 59:27.584
[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't say, I probably wouldn't have liked the time machine if I wasn't familiar with the book.
59:28.164 --> 59:31.187
[SPEAKER_00]: But I was like the guy pierced movie from 2002.
59:33.109 --> 59:41.700
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, issue that I think that movie socks, but because I had recently read the book for the first time, I probably thought it sucked even more.
59:42.701 --> 59:49.270
[SPEAKER_00]: So that said, I think there are however a lot of filmmakers that are kind of
59:50.342 --> 59:51.703
[SPEAKER_00]: kind of classes unto themselves.
59:52.384 --> 01:00:02.714
[SPEAKER_00]: And there are a lot of filmmakers that you only come to appreciate after knowing their greater body of work and how those things reflect on one another, which of course is a form of pretense.
01:00:03.255 --> 01:00:06.098
[SPEAKER_00]: But I also don't think pretense is inherently a bad thing.
01:00:06.598 --> 01:00:13.685
[SPEAKER_00]: I think knowing a lot about certain a certain topic before you see a movie and only appreciating it because you know a lot, just
01:00:14.967 --> 01:00:29.985
[SPEAKER_00]: requires a little bit of book learning a little bit of homework I think homework is fine I mean the downside is there's a barrier to entry but that might be worth paying the the tax to get in sometimes sometimes the homework makes something very edifying also a lot of
01:00:32.088 --> 01:00:50.950
[SPEAKER_00]: Like big blockbuster movies are sequels and take place in like cinematic universe and it sends those require a lot of homework But yeah, I think a lot of people don't see it as homework cuz it's more fun for them to do that They don't say it's homework because it happened organically Yeah, while they were alive the Marvel Cinematic Universe popped up and they just happened to want to see those movies, but I think if you were like
01:00:51.571 --> 01:00:53.972
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say you're like eight years old right now.
01:00:54.372 --> 01:00:55.973
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot of catching up to do.
01:00:55.993 --> 01:00:59.874
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're not already super interested, that's a lot of homework.
01:00:59.914 --> 01:01:02.735
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is a genuine, pretty big barrier to entry.
01:01:02.855 --> 01:01:03.635
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:01:04.375 --> 01:01:05.956
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're going to watch this new movie.
01:01:05.976 --> 01:01:07.897
[SPEAKER_00]: You just have to see like 30 other movies.
01:01:10.042 --> 01:01:14.343
[SPEAKER_00]: So when it comes to hear a cause I create a I haven't seen this new one.
01:01:14.704 --> 01:01:24.987
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've actually most of his movies are being honest and I and I I've seen a handful of them and I feel like most of his movies do stand on their own
01:01:25.907 --> 01:01:50.483
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's one of those interesting filmmakers where the more of his films you watch, and this is, I guess, true of any director, you start to see their motifs in their interests emerge, the kind of topics, and the artists, their plays, the type of dialogue, all of those things start to come to a head, and you start to appreciate those movies on a little bit of a different level where you can appreciate the story, you can appreciate the acting, and also how well the director is being themselves.
01:01:50.623 --> 01:01:52.624
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how are they, how are they, are they, are they,
01:01:54.266 --> 01:01:58.851
[SPEAKER_01]: are they covering the same material in a new and interesting way or are they just repeating themselves?
01:01:58.891 --> 01:02:00.893
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if they have like more than one trick.
01:02:02.114 --> 01:02:06.259
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember when the film to the Wonder came out which is a great film by the way.
01:02:06.599 --> 01:02:09.422
[SPEAKER_00]: Like legitimately great film, I think it was on my top 10 list that year.
01:02:09.882 --> 01:02:13.126
[SPEAKER_00]: But a lot of people dismissed it because it was very similar to the Tree of Life.
01:02:13.246 --> 01:02:14.767
[SPEAKER_01]: which they were both right by Terry's map.
01:02:14.787 --> 01:02:18.869
[SPEAKER_00]: By Terry those are two Terrence Malik movies and he's covering kind of similar spiritual territory.
01:02:18.949 --> 01:02:23.412
[SPEAKER_01]: And Tree of Life was like his biggest, I think, critical success, probably ever.
01:02:23.552 --> 01:02:25.213
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, at least contemporaneously.
01:02:25.934 --> 01:02:27.595
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was very, very popular.
01:02:27.615 --> 01:02:28.655
[SPEAKER_01]: It was nominated for Best Picture.
01:02:28.675 --> 01:02:29.936
[SPEAKER_01]: It was still very much to everyone's mind.
01:02:30.316 --> 01:02:36.760
[SPEAKER_01]: And that he didn't do his usual thing where there was like a seven-year gap between movies to the wonder came up pretty quickly afterwards.
01:02:36.780 --> 01:02:37.580
[SPEAKER_00]: Two years later, yeah.
01:02:37.621 --> 01:02:41.563
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was a very similar approach to the storytelling.
01:02:43.184 --> 01:03:06.623
[SPEAKER_01]: The problem with that is to the wonder is great and just because it resembles another great movie a lot of people dismissed at it's very it's a very easy trap to fall into when you're a critic when you are very familiar with someone's work we get tired of trying to do it again and I try to remember first off that every movie could be someone's first introduction to it so if you if you don't have that context this person's done it again is it's still good
01:03:07.524 --> 01:03:07.784
[SPEAKER_01]: Fair.
01:03:08.164 --> 01:03:23.291
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's I think at that point it's more of a critique for the artists like maybe Be self aware that if you're not intentionally repeating yourself you are currently repeating yourself But yeah, I don't have for my own perspective.
01:03:23.791 --> 01:03:24.832
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have
01:03:25.923 --> 01:03:44.751
[SPEAKER_01]: like one rule when it comes to what you're calling pre-gaming where if you don't know the filmmaker or you don't know the franchise may be you do your research before you see the new movie or the latest movie yeah um i think as you said sometimes it's unavoidable sometimes you just happen to read a book
01:03:45.511 --> 01:04:06.712
[SPEAKER_01]: sometimes you just happen to see other movies, but my philosophy is this if I'm interested I'll pre-game and if I have time yeah you know like if I'm like okay listen I got to see this movie in this series I know nothing about this series but I've been interested to watch it anyway and there's only like two movies so I might as well give them a watch since I have the time yeah
01:04:07.415 --> 01:04:14.099
[SPEAKER_01]: On the other hand, there will be some people in the audience who will not pre-game and have no context going into this will be their introduction.
01:04:14.359 --> 01:04:22.884
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think watching a film from that perspective, again, unless that's your gimmick and some people like to do that just dive right in and just see what it's like.
01:04:25.494 --> 01:04:27.116
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just something that happens sometimes.
01:04:27.176 --> 01:04:28.838
[SPEAKER_01]: So I try not to overthink it.
01:04:28.858 --> 01:04:41.792
[SPEAKER_01]: I try not to get down on myself if I'm like, this is my first movie from this incredibly prolific filmmaker maybe from, you know, country, I've seen a lot of cinema from, for example.
01:04:42.132 --> 01:04:43.173
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is my first movie.
01:04:43.474 --> 01:04:45.316
[SPEAKER_01]: And at that point, I cannot
01:04:46.517 --> 01:04:58.443
[SPEAKER_01]: If you read my reviews, if you're hearing me on the podcast a lot, I like talking about context, context of the filmmaker, context of history, context of culture, what's going on, the news, whatever, I like context, but sometimes I don't have it.
01:04:58.623 --> 01:05:01.364
[SPEAKER_00]: My context portion is going to be longer than my reviews, oftentimes.
01:05:01.524 --> 01:05:08.347
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I often do like two whole paragraphs of context before I mention the title of the movie, and I, that people tell me that I'm not crazy.
01:05:08.367 --> 01:05:10.128
[SPEAKER_01]: Right now there's crazy, but I think it's a fun read.
01:05:10.208 --> 01:05:14.250
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to do it anyway, and I'm lucky enough that I'm able to get away with that.
01:05:17.492 --> 01:05:25.639
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, sometimes you don't have that, and you have to just embrace that, I can't speak to the Strictors whole career.
01:05:26.220 --> 01:05:30.283
[SPEAKER_01]: And you can mention that if you want, or you can just talk about the movie.
01:05:30.844 --> 01:05:38.951
[SPEAKER_01]: Just in a vacuum on its own, you don't necessarily need to spend any meaningful amount of time professing your ignorance.
01:05:40.034 --> 01:05:54.645
[SPEAKER_01]: You are knowledgeable of this one movie made by itself, but you're knowledgeable because that's the one you saw on your entire that opinion and I think that can be very Bracing and very interesting and especially when it comes to filmmakers who are like really prolific you got to start somewhere
01:05:55.145 --> 01:05:57.227
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was, well, yeah, be this one.
01:05:57.267 --> 01:05:59.730
[SPEAKER_01]: Not a big deal if it's later on, you know?
01:06:00.090 --> 01:06:04.174
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, some filmmakers do make more sense if you want to go to a career, at least some of their films too.
01:06:04.334 --> 01:06:12.102
[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen it happen, where I'm, I'm not the huge fan, but I appreciate the films of Alfred Hitchcock.
01:06:12.262 --> 01:06:12.442
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
01:06:13.183 --> 01:06:16.907
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, you start Alfred Hitchcock with Rwendo.
01:06:17.907 --> 01:06:20.128
[SPEAKER_00]: You start off with Hitchcock with strangers on a train.
01:06:20.628 --> 01:06:25.609
[SPEAKER_00]: You start with maybe North by Northwest, something that's really just broadly entertaining.
01:06:25.649 --> 01:06:27.030
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is most of his career to be fair.
01:06:27.250 --> 01:06:30.951
[SPEAKER_00]: Never, ever, ever for any region should you start with Vertigo.
01:06:31.191 --> 01:06:40.153
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, because Vertigo is not gonna make any fucking sense to you unless you know Hitchcock and his interests and his style, otherwise it's nonsense.
01:06:41.033 --> 01:06:45.955
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you'll be able to follow the plot maybe but the emotional intensity and the weird fetishism of that movie.
01:06:46.815 --> 01:07:01.550
[SPEAKER_00]: only uh start to fall together when you know a lot about cinema and you could say about it specifically and Hitchcock specifically but I think that's true of a lot of movies I think uh people know a lot about cinema likes it is in Kanemore because they can recognize the techniques on screen
01:07:02.111 --> 01:07:04.594
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Citizen Kane is a corker of a watch regardless.
01:07:04.815 --> 01:07:07.719
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was a really exciting picture I just wrote a newsletter.
01:07:07.739 --> 01:07:12.826
[SPEAKER_01]: I was talking about how like I saw that movie when I was like nine And I didn't understand half of it, but I knew it was exciting.
01:07:12.966 --> 01:07:17.192
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was interested to find out like what went into it because it was just so novel
01:07:18.173 --> 01:07:21.334
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but no, I've heard sure it wakes you up now.
01:07:21.434 --> 01:07:39.120
[SPEAKER_01]: I was actually just thinking as you're talking about that because like here's an example of a movie that has a ton of pretence and It's very different if you've done the homework, but a lot of the people who've seen it, I dare say even most of the people who probably saw it have done at least some of that homework probably by accident
01:07:39.433 --> 01:07:40.433
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the fablement.
01:07:41.494 --> 01:07:52.677
[SPEAKER_01]: OK, because fablement is Steven Spielberg's mostly autobiographical movie that changed the name, but even the name fablement is kind of a synonym for Spielberg.
01:07:53.557 --> 01:08:01.899
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a very thinly veiled story of his life and his early career as a student filmmaker in high school and college and stuff.
01:08:01.919 --> 01:08:03.300
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's not so much college.
01:08:05.663 --> 01:08:18.388
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think if you're familiar with Spielberg's work, if you're familiar with the recurring light motifs in his work, like his daddy issues, like a lot of his movies are about deadbeat dads.
01:08:19.448 --> 01:08:20.548
[SPEAKER_01]: That movie has a lot more,
01:08:23.298 --> 01:08:24.259
[SPEAKER_01]: Has that hate to say depth?
01:08:24.279 --> 01:08:28.263
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I actually don't think he's being very successful with that.
01:08:28.323 --> 01:08:33.568
[SPEAKER_01]: But it is certainly self-indulgent.
01:08:34.509 --> 01:08:36.070
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is neutral.
01:08:36.271 --> 01:08:37.352
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the function of the movie.
01:08:37.372 --> 01:08:38.132
[SPEAKER_00]: That he made it that way.
01:08:38.553 --> 01:08:39.814
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of artists self-indulgent.
01:08:40.214 --> 01:08:41.235
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of artists self-indulgent.
01:08:41.316 --> 01:08:44.939
[SPEAKER_01]: Teenage sex and death in cat me asthma is extremely self-indulgent.
01:08:44.959 --> 01:08:45.079
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:08:45.099 --> 01:08:45.760
[SPEAKER_01]: It's still think it's good.
01:08:47.817 --> 01:08:53.102
[SPEAKER_01]: But I would be very curious for someone who had never seen a Spielberg movie.
01:08:53.803 --> 01:08:55.965
[SPEAKER_01]: Watch the fableman's first.
01:08:56.465 --> 01:09:01.910
[SPEAKER_01]: I would be very curious to know how that movie hits.
01:09:02.251 --> 01:09:02.511
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:09:02.671 --> 01:09:08.216
[SPEAKER_01]: If you do not, even if you like barely no Spielberg other than he's a famous name.
01:09:08.978 --> 01:09:19.145
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's like a scene in that movie where like he like made like a documentary of a graduating class at his high school and like the guy who bullied him.
01:09:20.546 --> 01:09:32.974
[SPEAKER_01]: For whatever reason Spielberg when he filmed it made him look great and then there's a whole scene in the hallway of the high school where he's angry at Spielberg for making him look so good because he's such a talented filmmaker and I'm like.
01:09:34.423 --> 01:09:37.848
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, someone someone feels really confident about their abilities.
01:09:37.908 --> 01:09:39.310
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I know you're still work.
01:09:39.670 --> 01:09:48.723
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you're still work I'm not disputing that, but this scene plays weird and I could only imagine how weird that plays if you don't have any context for Spielberg.
01:09:49.063 --> 01:09:49.824
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's weird.
01:09:50.064 --> 01:09:51.166
[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird enough when you do
01:09:53.068 --> 01:10:01.732
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's it's bonkers, I've seen so many people to say that movie, that scene is great and I'm sure some people are listening and you will agree with them and that's fine.
01:10:01.772 --> 01:10:03.613
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really glad you liked the movie more than I do.
01:10:03.713 --> 01:10:05.234
[SPEAKER_01]: If it's a competition, you win.
01:10:05.314 --> 01:10:07.335
[SPEAKER_01]: You saw a good movie and I didn't.
01:10:07.615 --> 01:10:20.822
[SPEAKER_01]: But for me, all I see is a filmmaker pointing at himself and saying, I am going to go fucking whole hog on my own amazingness.
01:10:22.023 --> 01:10:28.393
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I know you're still prick, but that made me uncomfortable.
01:10:28.994 --> 01:10:31.657
[SPEAKER_01]: That was genuinely uncomfortable being in the room with you at that moment.
01:10:31.718 --> 01:10:32.619
[SPEAKER_01]: It's made it weird.
01:10:32.639 --> 01:10:35.784
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think we'll definitely have one more.
01:10:36.622 --> 01:10:40.344
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I want to get a letter up here and this one is nice.
01:10:40.444 --> 01:10:43.985
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just having a really good time Let's see.
01:10:44.025 --> 01:10:45.466
[SPEAKER_00]: This is this one comes from Moses.
01:10:45.626 --> 01:10:46.606
[SPEAKER_00]: Hello Moses.
01:10:47.006 --> 01:10:56.130
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, Bibbs, and hey, rock, my stream of cool In a recent episode of we've got mail You mentioned characters that listen to music to help them fight
01:10:56.850 --> 01:11:02.715
[SPEAKER_00]: This reminds me that the DC character Lobo had a radio, surgically implanted in his brain.
01:11:03.115 --> 01:11:07.219
[SPEAKER_00]: It scans for the radio stations that only play the most evil nihilistic heavy metal music imaginable.
01:11:07.499 --> 01:11:12.263
[SPEAKER_00]: That way you can rock out 24-7, but that would amuse all the best Moses.
01:11:13.044 --> 01:11:14.906
[SPEAKER_00]: Um... Not really a question, but that's a fun bit of trivia.
01:11:14.926 --> 01:11:15.846
[SPEAKER_00]: That is a fun bit of trivia.
01:11:16.067 --> 01:11:16.247
[SPEAKER_00]: Um...
01:11:17.173 --> 01:11:21.354
[SPEAKER_00]: I might have mentioned this on a show before, but that was part of my treatment for normal.
01:11:21.474 --> 01:11:23.254
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's probably what the reference thing.
01:11:23.314 --> 01:11:27.575
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, because yeah, you had this, we'll pitch it again, because it's a fun thing.
01:11:27.815 --> 01:11:36.096
[SPEAKER_00]: So Marvel was really, really big and I figured, could I come up with a movie about like a really obscure, not beloved Marvel character?
01:11:36.176 --> 01:11:42.538
[SPEAKER_00]: And I went specifically to this off-shoot of Marvel that was only around from like 91 to 95.
01:11:42.558 --> 01:11:44.018
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like this really should be front.
01:11:44.638 --> 01:11:58.931
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... that was i was only public it was published uh... in the UK but it came to the united states it was just called marvelly k it was that this only like a little mini cannon of characters that all interacted with one another they could also you know interact with spider-man and willvary and the punishable but
01:12:00.040 --> 01:12:03.205
[SPEAKER_00]: It was considered like semi-non-cononical in that regard.
01:12:03.385 --> 01:12:15.402
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but Dark Angel and Death's Head to and wild thing in motormouth and Cyberspace 3000, these characters could all interact with one another.
01:12:15.662 --> 01:12:18.042
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't know who any of those people are, it's fine.
01:12:18.182 --> 01:12:19.003
[SPEAKER_00]: That said it was cool.
01:12:19.403 --> 01:12:20.783
[SPEAKER_00]: Deathhead 2 is pretty great.
01:12:20.803 --> 01:12:21.623
[SPEAKER_00]: Especially cool.
01:12:21.743 --> 01:12:22.663
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, really great.
01:12:22.703 --> 01:12:26.484
[SPEAKER_00]: Deathhead 2 is an assassin who absorbs the powers of the people he killed.
01:12:26.864 --> 01:12:27.284
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:12:27.364 --> 01:12:29.264
[SPEAKER_00]: And he looks like a heavy metal album cover.
01:12:29.304 --> 01:12:31.745
[SPEAKER_00]: It's deathhead and horns and a big cannon arm.
01:12:32.705 --> 01:12:34.665
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I found one of these characters, Motormouth.
01:12:34.725 --> 01:12:44.427
[SPEAKER_00]: She was like a 17 year old gutter punk in a leather jacket, cost a lot hence the name, who locked into a pair of quantum leaping sneakers.
01:12:45.647 --> 01:12:48.609
[SPEAKER_00]: put them on and could like leap between dimensions.
01:12:48.989 --> 01:12:49.169
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
01:12:50.390 --> 01:12:51.571
[SPEAKER_00]: A fun enough concept.
01:12:51.591 --> 01:12:56.995
[SPEAKER_00]: She also had like super powered, shouting powers, like she could blast, like sing through walls and stuff.
01:12:58.056 --> 01:12:59.777
[SPEAKER_00]: And I figured, let's use this character.
01:13:00.778 --> 01:13:06.822
[SPEAKER_00]: I could make a movie about a badass London gutter punk with the dimension hopping powers.
01:13:06.922 --> 01:13:07.582
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
01:13:07.602 --> 01:13:08.423
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, right what you know.
01:13:10.444 --> 01:13:13.166
[SPEAKER_00]: So I actually wrote a whole treatment about how,
01:13:14.467 --> 01:13:17.069
[SPEAKER_00]: She was living on the streets and broken to people's houses.
01:13:17.389 --> 01:13:30.738
[SPEAKER_00]: She always carried around her favorite mix tape with her favorite songs on it And this was before guarded the galaxy came out so and I didn't mail it to Marvel No, they were too long to say so yeah, I'm definitely going to sue Marvel.
01:13:31.679 --> 01:13:32.959
[SPEAKER_00]: That's worth my time and money
01:13:36.087 --> 01:13:53.455
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, she ended up licking into these dimension hopping sneakers was able to like quantum leap into a mall dimension It's like a city that was nothing but a mall and while there she had her mix tape like implanted in her ear She had like a little volume knob behind her ear and she could turn up turn them leaves a comment whenever she wanted
01:13:54.275 --> 01:14:12.239
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, got a flying V guitar that struck to her back and there's a climax where she uses her magic sneakers to seal to the hood of a car Well her partner kill power takes the wheel charges across London and she uses her flying V guitar to blast holes through buildings So she can get to the evil tower on time.
01:14:12.379 --> 01:14:13.119
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's fun.
01:14:13.440 --> 01:14:20.721
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and and on the soundtrack I was gonna be surprised you're dead by faith no more I came up with a soundtrack for this whole thing.
01:14:20.741 --> 01:14:23.102
[SPEAKER_00]: I made CDs love the I love the soundtrack.
01:14:23.142 --> 01:14:23.882
[SPEAKER_00]: I still listen to it
01:14:27.023 --> 01:14:29.883
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got a lot of bikini kill and girl punk and it was really fun.
01:14:30.183 --> 01:14:36.024
[SPEAKER_01]: Going off of what our listener wrote in about Lobo having like constantly having a soundtrack in his head.
01:14:36.945 --> 01:14:37.945
[SPEAKER_01]: To me, that sounds like hell.
01:14:38.505 --> 01:14:39.985
[SPEAKER_01]: To constantly have a soundtrack in your head?
01:14:40.205 --> 01:14:41.446
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he could turn it on and off.
01:14:41.506 --> 01:14:42.226
[SPEAKER_01]: Why hope so?
01:14:42.246 --> 01:14:43.566
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, so isn't he an alien?
01:14:43.606 --> 01:14:45.426
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a different brain chemistry man.
01:14:45.486 --> 01:14:47.527
[SPEAKER_01]: But I was thinking of there's a great...
01:14:48.427 --> 01:14:49.869
[SPEAKER_01]: Phil Hester comic.
01:14:50.489 --> 01:15:10.990
[SPEAKER_01]: I was called golly with an exclamation point at the end and it was about like a carny like a carnival worker just totally random guy who was chosen by God to be like the most important person on earth and there's a really funny exchange where he's talking to god and he's just like shouldn't you pick someone like great and God's like when you look?
01:15:11.420 --> 01:15:19.028
[SPEAKER_01]: in a puddle of water, do you say to yourself, that paramassium is smarter than the others, you're all the same domain.
01:15:20.109 --> 01:15:21.550
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was it, it was fun.
01:15:21.791 --> 01:15:28.618
[SPEAKER_01]: But there was this one bit where I'm trying to remember who did it, if it was the main character, like some psychic who worked at this carnival or something like that.
01:15:29.058 --> 01:15:31.240
[SPEAKER_01]: But someone was being mean at the carnival.
01:15:32.350 --> 01:15:34.592
[SPEAKER_01]: And they said, they're like cast as well.
01:15:34.612 --> 01:15:37.434
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, what is your least favorite song?
01:15:37.454 --> 01:15:39.196
[SPEAKER_01]: And the guy's like frozen and terror.
01:15:40.337 --> 01:15:46.822
[SPEAKER_01]: It's my humb's, you will hear that song every minute of every day for the rest of your life.
01:15:47.343 --> 01:15:49.204
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and that always sounded horrible.
01:15:49.444 --> 01:15:57.571
[SPEAKER_01]: But I was remembering, song was talking online about having an interim, they just found out that some people don't have an inner monologue.
01:15:58.017 --> 01:16:14.755
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, it's like a logical term for that yeah, yeah, yeah, and that was I think the first one What I consciously realized that other people do have an inner monologue because I don't and It's I was talking to some other people to say what's that like and then describe it.
01:16:14.795 --> 01:16:16.317
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like that sounds exhausting
01:16:17.340 --> 01:16:29.229
[SPEAKER_01]: I honestly don't know if I can think of words if I consciously try, but I'm not just think I would watch these movies where you'd hear what people are thinking and it's just like, it's like the end of psycho.
01:16:29.289 --> 01:16:33.212
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like, yes, I'll be totally normal.
01:16:33.272 --> 01:16:36.495
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't have a fly and thinking that a lot on his head and I'm just like,
01:16:37.755 --> 01:16:39.316
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's a dramatic conceit.
01:16:39.996 --> 01:16:41.336
[SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, how would we know what he's saying?
01:16:41.356 --> 01:16:48.919
[SPEAKER_01]: Because normally it's like this kind of miasma and you pull out, you know, what's, you know, relevant to, I don't even know how to consciously talk about it.
01:16:49.399 --> 01:16:54.561
[SPEAKER_01]: But it turns out, no, a lot of people just think that way and that is very strange to me.
01:16:55.261 --> 01:16:57.742
[SPEAKER_01]: because I don't know what it's like inside anyone else's head.
01:16:58.102 --> 01:16:59.282
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm fascinated.
01:16:59.323 --> 01:17:01.023
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not psychics yet, unfortunately.
01:17:01.083 --> 01:17:07.686
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, until we can sense another person's consciousness like our own, we're destined to butt heads a little bit.
01:17:07.706 --> 01:17:09.066
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the best we can do is aren't.
01:17:09.566 --> 01:17:12.907
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's all that's all I'm trying to get you to see the world the way I see it.
01:17:12.947 --> 01:17:14.308
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what David Hume said.
01:17:16.098 --> 01:17:20.522
[SPEAKER_01]: I think David Hume had a point, at least then.
01:17:20.742 --> 01:17:24.585
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not an expert in David Hume, but I think that part kind of tracks.
01:17:25.766 --> 01:17:26.827
[SPEAKER_00]: He also didn't believe in free will.
01:17:26.847 --> 01:17:27.688
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe in that.
01:17:27.708 --> 01:17:28.448
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe in him.
01:17:28.548 --> 01:17:30.750
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:17:30.770 --> 01:17:32.912
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think I was thinking he was Scott McCloud.
01:17:32.932 --> 01:17:34.734
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Scott McCloud was talking about that.
01:17:34.754 --> 01:17:35.514
[SPEAKER_01]: I was talking about that.
01:17:35.534 --> 01:17:36.875
[SPEAKER_00]: I was talking about that.
01:17:36.915 --> 01:17:39.778
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Scott McCloud probably got that from David Hume.
01:17:39.978 --> 01:17:43.521
[SPEAKER_01]: But I remember reading something like that, and understanding comics, and that was my introduction
01:17:45.873 --> 01:17:55.497
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I do have words as a dialogue, but I also think in concepts and like I, which are just sort of like indescribable.
01:17:55.517 --> 01:17:57.118
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like feelings or colors.
01:17:57.518 --> 01:18:00.599
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just sort of, a certain mood is just in my brain.
01:18:00.639 --> 01:18:01.699
[SPEAKER_00]: Why I think about certain things.
01:18:01.779 --> 01:18:05.161
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember there was a show on HBO called Dream on in the 90s?
01:18:05.361 --> 01:18:05.641
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
01:18:06.081 --> 01:18:06.922
[SPEAKER_01]: And Dremon was it.
01:18:07.062 --> 01:18:09.023
[SPEAKER_01]: You're watching it because it had topless scenes.
01:18:09.083 --> 01:18:16.387
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a lot of sitcoms, especially in the 90s, a lot of people having sex all the time, like Terry Seinfeld slept with like 500 women over the course of that show.
01:18:16.587 --> 01:18:16.707
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:18:16.727 --> 01:18:17.608
[SPEAKER_01]: We just never saw it.
01:18:17.628 --> 01:18:19.469
[SPEAKER_01]: And in Dremon, it's seen it a little.
01:18:19.489 --> 01:18:20.950
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they show the sex scenes.
01:18:20.970 --> 01:18:22.611
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, whatever.
01:18:22.951 --> 01:18:23.731
[SPEAKER_01]: It's considered very...
01:18:23.751 --> 01:18:25.152
[SPEAKER_00]: It's considered very edgy at the time.
01:18:25.172 --> 01:18:25.392
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:18:25.712 --> 01:18:33.217
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was a hat on a hat because the other conceit of the show was that the protagonist was played by an actually in Brian Benben.
01:18:34.037 --> 01:18:35.918
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, he was raised on TV.
01:18:35.938 --> 01:18:36.678
[SPEAKER_01]: He was raised on TV.
01:18:36.698 --> 01:18:41.199
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's the opening credits is like him growing up just watching TV and his parents ignoring him.
01:18:41.599 --> 01:18:50.521
[SPEAKER_01]: And so what would happen throughout the show every episode, something would happen and it would show a clip from an old movie or an old TV show because that was his friend of reference.
01:18:50.841 --> 01:18:52.822
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was usually a funny sort of contrast.
01:18:53.642 --> 01:18:55.404
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's a lot closer to how I think.
01:18:55.804 --> 01:19:07.133
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think in terms of film references, film references, clips from a movie, something I heard once, but like I'm not thinking to myself, this reminds me of that one time.
01:19:07.889 --> 01:19:11.211
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't know, I didn't even know that's a people thing where they're my like, thank.
01:19:11.631 --> 01:19:12.992
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I just think it's interesting.
01:19:13.132 --> 01:19:14.353
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:19:14.393 --> 01:19:14.533
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:19:14.553 --> 01:19:16.174
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it for, uh, we've got mail for now.
01:19:16.194 --> 01:19:17.114
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for everybody for listening.
01:19:17.134 --> 01:19:18.175
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for everybody who wrote in.
01:19:18.535 --> 01:19:20.256
[SPEAKER_01]: If we, you wrote in, we didn't get your email.
01:19:20.296 --> 01:19:20.936
[SPEAKER_01]: We're sorry.
01:19:21.477 --> 01:19:25.199
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but if there's ever like anything super important or timely, just make sure you put it in the headline.
01:19:25.219 --> 01:19:26.840
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll make sure to get to it as fast as we can.
01:19:27.280 --> 01:19:31.904
[SPEAKER_01]: Our email address is letters at criticallyclamed.net, winning what is a PO Box?
01:19:31.924 --> 01:19:33.405
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, send us a physical letter if you like.
01:19:33.425 --> 01:19:36.107
[SPEAKER_00]: To the criticallyclamed network PO Box 641565.
01:19:36.147 --> 01:19:38.969
[SPEAKER_00]: Los Angeles, California, 9WO 64.
01:19:39.009 --> 01:19:39.229
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:19:39.789 --> 01:19:41.791
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, thank you to all of our patrons over patreon.com.
01:19:41.811 --> 01:19:43.652
[SPEAKER_01]: So I should critically claim to network.
01:19:44.313 --> 01:19:46.294
[SPEAKER_01]: Without your support, we couldn't do this.
01:19:46.554 --> 01:19:48.356
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, the bills wouldn't get paid.
01:19:48.376 --> 01:19:49.717
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it just means a lot to us.
01:19:49.797 --> 01:19:50.297
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
01:19:51.178 --> 01:19:53.880
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to support the show, but you can't afford to, because,
01:19:54.760 --> 01:19:55.921
[SPEAKER_01]: the late stage capitalism.
01:19:56.742 --> 01:20:00.644
[SPEAKER_01]: You can still subscribe for free and get a free newsletter, and you can also just tell people about the show.
01:20:01.084 --> 01:20:01.705
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be nice.
01:20:01.725 --> 01:20:03.126
[SPEAKER_01]: Leave us a review wherever you find us.
01:20:03.806 --> 01:20:04.627
[SPEAKER_01]: That makes a big difference.
01:20:04.847 --> 01:20:05.487
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:20:05.827 --> 01:20:07.929
[SPEAKER_01]: We hope you enjoy our new show Five Movies with.
01:20:07.949 --> 01:20:12.291
[SPEAKER_01]: We got some cool people lined up to share five influential movies with us.
01:20:13.492 --> 01:20:16.834
[SPEAKER_01]: And, yeah, we'll see you around and stuff.
01:20:16.854 --> 01:20:17.875
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for everybody who wrote in.
01:20:18.215 --> 01:20:19.536
[SPEAKER_01]: Sincerely yours, Bibles and Whitney.