Ep07 - Spinning Plates

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you know, I do some voice acting stuff.
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Yes.
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And I did get a gig of doing a
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kids book, so- That's really fun. It
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is. I'm using the technique you
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taught me for D&D stuff, but it
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has been a challenge.
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I love my D&D NPC voice
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tracker spreadsheet format. It makes
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me very happy. I'm also very happy that
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it's worked out for you in your own way. Because I know that I had
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to explain like how I went
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about filling it out a couple of times in like a different
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way for you to really click into
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it.
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But yeah, this has been fun.
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John is a actor,
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TV producer. does a lot of improv based
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performances, a lot of off the cuff stuff. So even his TV
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shows, it was just, here's what we're trying to do
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here's the start of the scene, here's the end we're trying to get
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... everyone just go. And they would just do takes
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and takes and takes and pick whatever one did the
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best fit together. And that was the
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whole process. the one that I fell in love with was called
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Quickdraw, but uh, Geico Caveman?
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Probably before your time, actually.
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Okay. If it was before the lizard, then yes, before my
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time.
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Gotcha. I'm
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glad he was willing to do this chat with me. I am really looking
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to unpack his collaborative concepts on
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creativity and like how
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systems of collaboration and production
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and like getting complicated projects from one end into the other
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work. I'm not sure where the conversation's gonna
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go.
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Sounds like it's gonna be an interesting one no matter what.
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I can't imagine it won't be. So. He's gonna be here soon
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and I know what I'm gonna try to talk
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to him about. But I have gotten very
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comfortable asking you what you would like to know.
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Oh this is a tough one because I
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have less personal
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relation to like anything close to
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TV producing, I guess. You said
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he's prolific and like works on a bunch of different stuff, I think.
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I'm curious if there's
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consistency in the people he works with. Like
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does he have a go to crew or is
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it a find new people for
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whatever project is appropriate and stuff like that.
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Gotcha. On, the outward facing side, like the
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performance side, there's a lot of overlap with his people he's
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worked with, but who you're allowed to bring in... crew
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stuff, I don't know. I'll try to get to unpack some of that.
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Cool.
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All right. My mug's dry. I'M gonna go solve that
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and I'll chat with you in 40-45 i think...
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maybe a little less.
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Sounds good. Looking forward to it.
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John! good to see you. Thanks for coming over for this.
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Oh, My pleasure, man. It's good to see you, Griffin
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I think the last time I saw you in person
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was at your BU Lecture where I did the illustration of you from the
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audience.
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Yes. Which was amazing and
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then we saw each other afterwards, right?
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Did you come-
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Yeah, we went to the Cantina after.
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Yeah, that was great. yeah, sorry, I did
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a lot of drugs in the 90s, Griffin. It's amazing that I can
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remember anything at all.
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Right, that was part of the lecture you
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gave.
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Yeah, yeah. I've now been sober
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for 29 years. Can you believe it?
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It's absolutely amazing. And congratulations on that. Glad to hear you re coming
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up on 30.
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Thank you. Yeah, I'd love to take credit for
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it, but, you know, the further
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away I get from that day of first getting sober, the
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less I think I had anything to do with it.
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I mean, that's fair. Support systems
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and having the right people with you to check you is kind
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of the most important part.
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Yeah, it really is. It really is
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So you're well into that
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Intro to Anthro with 2 Humans
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podcast.
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Yes, that is a
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Intro to Anthro with 2 Humans
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is a podcast I do with my, old friend
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John McCray, who's an anthropologist now.
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So we discuss anthropology issues. But
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obviously, since I'm involved, it has a
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comedic bend to it and he's a
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really funny guy. I mean, he... Yeah,
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so, yeah, we just did our 70th
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episode and you know, we have a
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growing group, of listeners who
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are very committed to it
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and suggest topics. And we've done that
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great, tons of great topics. Anything from
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like, you know,
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anthropological issues of prehistoric
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time to current, issues and
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things like sleep and things like anything that
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affects the human, is really, it's
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cool. It's really neat. It's fascinating. I learn a
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ton from it because it's, while it's loose and funny,
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it's very, well, you know, researched.
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Oh, yeah, no, but the way you two play off each other.
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Absolutely love it every time.
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Yeah, me too.
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And I saw that 10 Items or Less made a
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Jeopardy appearance days ago
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(at time of discussion)
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My life is now complete. yes,
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10 Items or Less, which is that show I did for
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TBS back in the Day, was a question
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on Jeopardy. It was amazing and they even showed
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it was 1200 level question too
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which was great. Wasn't a daily double but
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that-
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Little screenshot of you all.
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Yeah. They showed a picture of the cast
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and my phone just immediately blew
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up as everybody was like "Oh my God"
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those Jeopardy junkies out there.
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Oh yeah.
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But it was. I gotta say that was pretty cool.
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That's neat. Definitely one of those little
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zeitgeist benchmark bucket list moments.
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One of the guys who emailed me or
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texted me first was Jack
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who is the owner of the store that
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we shot in and -that's
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amazing- He was so happy and it was just
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so funny to talk to him again because we shot...
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When we shot that show the store was open
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for business while we shot.
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Oh wow.
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Yeah. Ah. So all the extras are mostly ...
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occasionally we'd hire... but most of the extras in the
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show are real people that are just
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Amazing what you can do when you need to just to make a project like
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that come together.
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They made it so much more fun because otherwise we would have had
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to rent the store and shoot at night and...
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That's just a- no
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it changes everything.
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Yes. It's hard to be funny at
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4:30 in the morning, you know.
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No, but that was one of your shows that I never, I had never
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been able to get into becausee I couldn't find it in anyplace. I had found you
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obviously through a Quickdraw and just falling in love with that
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way... when it came out like from the day one I was just like oh, I live
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here now. Yeah. Now 10 Items or Less
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being on Roku I was able to catch up and then like right
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at... I think I finished it like a week or two ago and
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then Jeopardy you post-
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Maybe you caused it.
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Maybe it was your energy. There's a third
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series that I did called Jailbait which
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is very difficult to find but I can I can send
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you a link on the down on the DL. It's our...
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It was our attempt at rated R
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-Oh- and it. It's
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crazy.
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I would love that but I will definitely keep it.
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hush hush.
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Yeah, Sony would get upset.
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I think I know the last thing I saw
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you working on before this discussion. I
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guess... I saw that thing about Lafondi recently... but
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Smoke Show was the last thing I saw you trying to shop around.
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Yes.
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And that was with, ah, a Fortune Fiemster as one of the people who has
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blown up since then.
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I know, I know. We're not surprised at
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all. I knew she, you know, you could tell, you could
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tell how great she is. And a great improviser.
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Amazing.
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Yeah, she was amazing. I mean, it is
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really good. You know, we pitched it, but sometimes,
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whatever the environment, the time,
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who knows. But it didn't go. I pitched a lot of
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stuff that hasn't gone, believe me.
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But, that's the normal, isn't it?
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Yes. Yeah.
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Just throwing stuff.
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Yeah. I mean, 10 Items or Less was our...
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We sold it on our first pitch.
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That's amazing. That never happens.
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Never happens. And they bought it in the room.
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And, so I thought, oh, this is easy.
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And then as we got older, we realized, no, that was a,
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that was an outlier event. yeah, you. But,
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you know, I just love it.
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I just love it.
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Because you're creating these worlds and yeah,
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of course I'd want to sell it and be able to explore them
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further and shoot them and all of the fun of that.
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But we always shoot a sizzle reel. We
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always, you know, work with the, you know, in the
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improv sort of vibe that we do.
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And, and it's just a
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great process. And really, you know, if you're
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coming into the business and, you gotta, you got
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to have scar tissue and be able to hang, for the
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long run, you know, especially if you're trying to sell a
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show, which is the hardest, stupidest
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thing to try to do.
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From an expert, folks.
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Everybody thinks it's about the idea. You know, I have this great
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idea and I'm like, okay... By the time you
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pitch, all the ideas are great.
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Everybody's ideas is great. That's taken for
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granted. That's the base, you know.
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Now what kind of person are you to work
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with, you know, what kind of pedigree do you have? Can you give me
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confidence that you'll come in on time, on budget, blah,
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blah, blah. Ah, blah, blah.
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Right. All the actual, like, all the work, part of the work
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has to get it accounted for and speculated
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at.
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Yeah, yeah.
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No. My friend George, who I talked to recently in
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this same project that I'm doing, he
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has done some short films and stuff like that and kind of like worked
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towards, the angle you're doing, but at some point hit
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the wall of frustration and had just
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decided to like, back off. Until he
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realized that, he had always understood the concept of never
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write what you can't shoot. which is
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huge. But then he found out that he
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could hire comic artists and write whatever he wanted and they
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could draw it. So now he's been doing that for years.
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Wow, that's amazing. I love that. Yeah, he's
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found his medium. that's so
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great.
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We were both talking about how the idea is the least important
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part. Like, if you- right -only have one idea, it feels like the
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most important part. But for anyone who's creative as
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a way of being
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the one idea just leads to the next, leads to the next, leads to the next. And
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you just keep going until you find the one that clicks.
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Exactly. So many people are worried about
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getting ripped off. You know, they're always
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like, "John, how do I protect my idea?" And I'm like,
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"Look, you can't really."
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Right.
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Let's hope you get ripped off because that means somebody's
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interested in it. Yeah. And you'll be protected to some
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extent. But really what you always have,
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is your brain. It's not the idea, it's
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your brain that's able to create these ideas.
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And who knows, if this is the idea that goes forth, maybe it will
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be, maybe it won't. But yeah, I think new
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people especially, and I did the same thing, get
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very precious over an idea and
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they hold it very tight and
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get feedback. You know,
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take advice, reject advice.
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But, don't put too much on that first
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idea you have because it's like
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winning the lottery. You know, it's not how good it
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is.
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I do like that you hit both, take advice and reject
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advice. Because, God, if I can't... The
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number of projects I've had where, like, people are throwing
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all this info and I have to like, pick and choose what makes sense,
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knowing what the end result is. But I know some people who don't have that filter
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and they'll take any advice just because of that lack of confidence.
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And then they end up in the worst spot.
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Yes. Yeah, that's the hardest
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thing is, when you play. Like, I remember one
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of the first shows, I was on this terrible show called
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News Weasels... years and years ago, and
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we had a, premiere party,
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you know, at our house. We brought all of our friends
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over to see it and I thought, oh,
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this is going to be fun. And no, it wasn't
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because everybody had an opinion and they thought, oh,
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you should do this, and, oh, I like this. I didn't like that.
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again. By the time a show
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premieres, and you probably know this too, you're
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so tired of it. Like, I've seen every inch
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footage a million times. I've done
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multiple cuts, scripts, versions. You
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know, by the time it airs, I'm sort of like, oh God,
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I'm very much ready for something new
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at that point.
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It's like, oh, Jesus.
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It was such a battle getting to this place, you
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know, but.
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No, I know a lot of creatives have this glitch where they do think
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that, like, every idea has to be protected. Every idea has to be
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precious. Heck. Even with, like, the watercolor kit project
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that I've been doing, which is a manufacturing project, really, but...
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It's so cool.
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Thank you.
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But there's still some innovation there. Like, everyone I've talked to is like,
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"How do you make sure that you don't get ripped off?" Like, I don't.
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I make sure that the quality hits the mark. I make sure I keep it to my
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standards, and I hope that whoever does copy it
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does a worse job. That's all I got.
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That's all you ever had, you know, that's all you. it's not,
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you know, and. And, yeah, it's not like this
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is like you're... we let things go because
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it's better for our mental health. It is. But
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it's also. We let things go because we can't hold
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on to them. You just can't do it. It's a losing battle.
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Yeah. No, there's only so much you can control.
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And being part of the
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world, that's a very small thing of
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where you can control. And you just got to stick to it. But.
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Okay, so how do you keep yourself focused on
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the next idea?
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I'm good at, keeping, a few
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plates spinning, and I don't know why, but I've
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always been that way. so I kind of
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triage. I have my number one
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baby that I'm working the most on. In this case,
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it's Lifandi. And then I have-
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Which I do want to talk more about.
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Okay. And then I have other... You know, my other
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projects are in various stages of
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incubation, you know, so it's kind of like,
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a conveyor belt, you know, and. And
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some things are further down and something. But
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People are like, wow, how do you do that? And
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how do you keep the quality up? But for me, it keeps me
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excited and it also
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allows me to, be open to
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change as these things coming, you know,
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which is the.
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It's very hard, but it's huge. If you can remain flexible
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because like, like you said, if you have multiple plate
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spinning, even if you put the most work into one
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project, if the, if one of the other ones suddenly
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catches interest from somewhere, that you've got to be
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on the pivot. Which it does.
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ago that I thought were dead in the water. We
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had a pitch, a thing that we did that, you know,
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we pitched it around, everybody rejected it, and
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then literally 10 years later, somebody from
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MTV bought it outright. We didn't even
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That's amazing.
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We didn't even have to pitch, which is
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crazy. so you never know. You just
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never know.
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That's... I love getting this perspective because I think
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from the outside in, everyone thinks that there's this very strict
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gatekeeping and structure and whatnot. And there's
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all this like, this heavy concern
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about like nepobabies coming in and just like jumping over
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the lines. But I don't think they realize
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how many of those people who
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have that secret backdooor entrance, that we never see them go
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in, we also never see them come out. Because it doesn't
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work for them either. Right.
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Because in the end it's got to work. And
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in the end the machine has to run and, and
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it's like starting up a startup company,
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a TV show is like a startup company. You know, you
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pitch it, you get the funding, and then it's something
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that builds and grows over time,
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hopefully, but they're very similar. I've talked to people
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who do startups and it's like, oh my God, the mindset is
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kind of the same. And like you're talking about with the paints, you
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know, sort of this thing, you know,
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you create it, you pitch it, you sell it,
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distribute it, you know
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with this, the, the other thing, and I think this goes back to
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the advice thing actually is the number of people
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who I had... because I was going into a
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realm that I had no real experience with. and the number
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of experts who were like, this is how this step works and
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this is how you have to do this, and this is the only way to do this.
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And every single time I would spend like three months
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doing what they Said with no movement. And
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then I would just be like, all right, let me try something that I
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think just might work. And then that would be the thing that worked. And then they would
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be confused. But it's. Every step has been
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like this.
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Well, and you're, you know, you're such a creative person. I
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mean, you, you do a lot of different things, and
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I think that gives you a perspective... and I can
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relate. I think that gives you a different
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perspective, on how to, attack
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problems, you know, and it's not this kind
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of linear... I met with an actor
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once, and he was like, "I'm gonna do this and then
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this is gonna happen. And I'm gonna do this and then this is gonna happen. And then
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I'll be on Saturday Night Live." And I said, "Well, what if
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you don't get cast?" I mean, you know, what if you don't get cast? And
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he's like "..." it didn't compute to him because he's like,
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"but I've done all these things."
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Yeah, he just saw the dominoes as described.
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I'm like, "dude, that all of that can
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happen and you can still not get cast."
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Yep. amazing.
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So you have Lifandi going on.
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Yes.
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I saw the little, clip that you put out, sort
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of playing with that. tell me
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what's going on. What you can.
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All right.
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I don't want to get you in trouble.
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Yes. right. so Lifandi is an
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Icelandic word which means alive.
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And essentially it's a grocery
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store show. That's right.
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it's another ... because for those don't know, you know,
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10 Items or Less was a grocery store show. And
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the CEO...
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The CEO of Sony...
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... the CEO of... The president of television of Sony, when we
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made 10 Items or Less, is now the
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CEO at a big studio. And he
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came to me and said, "John, I've been thinking about you." And I was like,
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what? Because I mean, this was like my bosses-bosses-bosses-boss
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Like I met him
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and he said, "Would you be interested in doing a
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show in a grocery store?" And I was like,
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"Another one?" Like I'm the grocery store
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whisper. And then he said, "But I want to do it..."
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and this was all his pitch.
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"I want to do it in an Erewhon type grocery store." with
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an Erewhon... I don't know. You guys don't. There's all different
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kinds of them all over the country, different
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brands. But the most extreme is this
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grocery store called Erewhon, which is in LA, Which
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is like you buy A pear for $16.
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Right!?
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Everything's non GMO, it's
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ridiculous. The Kardashian shop there.
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You know, it, like, it's just...
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And so I went to thier stuff...
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That hurts my brain.
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I know. I went there and I was like, this is
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hilarious. I was like, this is a really good idea.
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Ah. And so I wrote it up and we have a
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deal. And, we're gonna pitch it, in
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February. but in the
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interim, they've allowed me
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to develop the show through
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an Instagram account called @Lifandi.Groceries
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So that is
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it's been great
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because I can bring in other people, I can shoot
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scenes, I can throw them up, see how people like it.
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Actors are allowed to,
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create characters on the fly.
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Oh, that's wonderful.
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Creating this kind of world through
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Instagram and TikTok. We have a TikTok account too.
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And it's just... I love it.
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I love it.
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I absolutely adore
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how you are with the people you work with.
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Like, the number of people I know who collaborate with others
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but try to over control stuff is weird to
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me because the people I know who do the best work, and
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you included, they get the right people
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together, they set down the boundaries, and then they get out
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of the way.
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Yes. That has always been
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my approach. I'm there. This is about
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the improvisers or comedians or actors that we're
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working with, and how do I create an
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environment where they will do their best. Because
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if do that, then... And that doesn't just
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go for cast either. That goes for
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camera, electric wardrobe,
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makeup. just try to gear things
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towards their talents rather than force
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them to do what I'm
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creating, you know?
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Yeah. I think this goes back to that having, like, being too
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precious with the idea, like having to, like having to feel
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like you have a vision that must be adhered to when, like, you've
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got really talented people who are trusting you...
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trust them back and you'll get great stuff back every time.
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Yeah, I mean, I think writers
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especially have trouble seeing how
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collaborative, film and television is.
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You know, they're in their, in their world and they're on their
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computer. And I do this too, where it's like, okay,
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this is what I want to see happen. But then you've got
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a hundred people that have to
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actualize that, and you want all of
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them to bring their talents because nobody's
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in the film and TV business for the money. If you're in it for
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the money. You're in the wrong business.
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Everybody who's in it, even the, you know, gaffers,
508
00:22:19,961 --> 00:22:22,873
and even, you know, people like that, the electricians, they
509
00:22:22,929 --> 00:22:25,353
love it. They love making something, you
510
00:22:25,369 --> 00:22:25,953
know.
511
00:22:26,129 --> 00:22:29,017
No, even for them, like, there's a creativity to having solved the
512
00:22:29,041 --> 00:22:31,737
problems they have to solve on the fly that gets stimulated in the
513
00:22:31,801 --> 00:22:32,361
process.
514
00:22:32,513 --> 00:22:35,393
Exactly. Well said. And. And that. And if
515
00:22:35,409 --> 00:22:38,321
you can encourage that, it ricochets around the
516
00:22:38,353 --> 00:22:40,745
whole crew and, in my opinion, makes the show
517
00:22:40,785 --> 00:22:41,365
better.
518
00:22:41,825 --> 00:22:44,457
Ricochet is the right word. I like that. I wouldn't have thought of that
519
00:22:44,481 --> 00:22:45,045
one.
520
00:22:46,095 --> 00:22:48,903
Yeah. The only rule I have on my set is you can't be a
521
00:22:48,919 --> 00:22:51,911
jerk. If you're a jerk, you gotta go. And it's...
522
00:22:51,983 --> 00:22:54,911
No offense, If that's the way you live life, that's
523
00:22:54,943 --> 00:22:57,607
great, but it's not gonna work on our set. It just
524
00:22:57,631 --> 00:22:58,355
isn't.
525
00:22:59,215 --> 00:23:02,111
"If you're a jerk, you got to go. No offense."
526
00:23:02,183 --> 00:23:04,835
Meanwhile - The jerk is very much "offense offense offense."
527
00:23:05,855 --> 00:23:07,075
Being polite...
528
00:23:07,855 --> 00:23:10,823
We had a... it was an electrician,
529
00:23:10,919 --> 00:23:13,810
and came up to the hair person... I came
530
00:23:13,826 --> 00:23:16,468
up. She was crying. I went up to get my hair,
531
00:23:16,610 --> 00:23:18,976
and she was crying. I'm like, what's going on? And she had asked
532
00:23:19,024 --> 00:23:21,960
for power. And the electrician that she
533
00:23:21,976 --> 00:23:24,944
had asked to, like, was a real jerk to her and
534
00:23:24,968 --> 00:23:27,688
just stupid. And so. And this
535
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,368
wasn't his first offense, but it was a bad one. He
536
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,382
really, was out of line, and so we fired him.
537
00:23:33,462 --> 00:23:36,415
And the head of
538
00:23:36,431 --> 00:23:39,223
the department said, hey, he wants to know if he
539
00:23:39,255 --> 00:23:42,165
could talk to you guys. And so we said, yeah. And
540
00:23:42,181 --> 00:23:44,925
he apologized, and no one had ever
541
00:23:44,981 --> 00:23:47,697
called him out on that kind of behavior.
542
00:23:48,077 --> 00:23:50,461
And then he was amazing. Like,
543
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:53,421
total. It was like Scrooge, you know, like, he
544
00:23:53,469 --> 00:23:56,181
totally changed. and he was
545
00:23:56,229 --> 00:23:56,773
great.
546
00:23:56,925 --> 00:23:59,457
Very rare story. That is not...
547
00:23:59,757 --> 00:24:00,989
Oh, no.
548
00:24:01,173 --> 00:24:03,217
Nobody had ever told him, hey,
549
00:24:04,117 --> 00:24:06,885
certain behavior is important in a
550
00:24:06,901 --> 00:24:09,701
workplace. And I mean, now things have gotten so much
551
00:24:09,749 --> 00:24:12,717
better, you know, with the culture of
552
00:24:12,757 --> 00:24:15,581
film sets... gotten a lot better since Me Too
553
00:24:15,629 --> 00:24:18,357
and Black Lives Matter. I think that
554
00:24:18,397 --> 00:24:21,180
has changed a lot. And it's, still
555
00:24:21,228 --> 00:24:24,188
far to go, but I've never seen as good as it
556
00:24:24,212 --> 00:24:25,348
is now. Ever.
557
00:24:25,412 --> 00:24:28,316
No. That's great. I love that you're also the person
558
00:24:28,356 --> 00:24:30,948
who, like, lets everyone play, but will protect your people so they
559
00:24:30,972 --> 00:24:33,962
can. Huge. That is less
560
00:24:33,994 --> 00:24:34,338
common.
561
00:24:34,402 --> 00:24:37,274
Bottom line. It's hard to be funny when someone's
562
00:24:37,370 --> 00:24:38,010
a jerk.
563
00:24:38,098 --> 00:24:40,794
Yeah. The other thing I want to spotlight is
564
00:24:40,850 --> 00:24:43,226
there's. I don't remember. This might be an old
565
00:24:43,266 --> 00:24:45,906
Japanese philosophy concept that I
566
00:24:46,026 --> 00:24:48,908
remember absorbing at some point. I might be wrong, but, there was
567
00:24:48,932 --> 00:24:51,658
the idea that, it's better to give a
568
00:24:51,682 --> 00:24:54,606
second chance to a person who's made one mistake
569
00:24:55,346 --> 00:24:58,298
than to kick them out and try to replace them with someone else
570
00:24:58,322 --> 00:25:01,250
immediately who's never made a mistake. Because at least the person who's made a mistake
571
00:25:01,298 --> 00:25:04,282
has potentially learned something. And
572
00:25:04,394 --> 00:25:06,858
giving that person the second chance and then they just delivered
573
00:25:06,922 --> 00:25:09,046
is wonderful to hear.
574
00:25:09,386 --> 00:25:12,098
Now, there's many times when that hasn't happened, of
575
00:25:12,122 --> 00:25:15,002
course, but that one did. And I've never
576
00:25:15,034 --> 00:25:17,634
forgotten it. Yes. You know...
577
00:25:17,730 --> 00:25:20,418
Lifandi... So I'm back in a grocery store, man.
578
00:25:20,482 --> 00:25:22,750
I'm back inside a grocery store.
579
00:25:22,938 --> 00:25:25,702
How does that feel? Is there any like, concerned about the
580
00:25:25,734 --> 00:25:28,598
like, sense of repetition or is this just a new way to play with
581
00:25:28,622 --> 00:25:30,786
ideas you didn't get to with 10 items or less?
582
00:25:31,326 --> 00:25:34,308
You know, not at all. I mean, not even
583
00:25:34,372 --> 00:25:37,268
for a minute have I thought it in that way. Because
584
00:25:37,412 --> 00:25:40,340
idea is so different. It's so different.
585
00:25:40,468 --> 00:25:43,452
The characters are all different. Yeah. The location
586
00:25:43,524 --> 00:25:46,428
is the same. But you know, a location is not
587
00:25:46,452 --> 00:25:49,348
a show. A lot of people think it is. "John. It'd be
588
00:25:49,372 --> 00:25:51,284
funny to do a show in a factory."
589
00:25:51,380 --> 00:25:54,364
Well, yeah, you need to make the... You can't make the
590
00:25:54,380 --> 00:25:57,268
location a character just by saying what it is. That doesn't
591
00:25:57,292 --> 00:25:58,052
work that way.
592
00:25:58,164 --> 00:26:01,030
But so, you know, it doesn't
593
00:26:01,070 --> 00:26:03,822
really matter because to me it's all. Whether it's a western,
594
00:26:03,886 --> 00:26:06,846
whether it's in Jail, whether it's
595
00:26:06,998 --> 00:26:09,994
whatever, it's, it's, it's always about
596
00:26:10,010 --> 00:26:12,814
the characters and what's going on with them and the
597
00:26:12,830 --> 00:26:15,702
repartee between them. So I love a grocery.
598
00:26:15,734 --> 00:26:18,718
I love anything that's in the public domain. I
599
00:26:18,742 --> 00:26:21,670
just love that because then you can have anybody
600
00:26:21,718 --> 00:26:24,158
walk in. It just gives you a lot more options.
601
00:26:24,302 --> 00:26:27,270
Yeah. You don't have to justify it if it's just a public space
602
00:26:27,318 --> 00:26:30,174
like that, it's very casual, very easy to justify
603
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:32,430
anyone being there for any reason. I see it.
604
00:26:32,478 --> 00:26:35,238
Yeah. And it's a place where we've all gone
605
00:26:35,342 --> 00:26:38,062
and, and groceries being expensive is in the
606
00:26:38,094 --> 00:26:40,868
news and is in the zeitgeist. So it kind
607
00:26:40,892 --> 00:26:43,540
of fits. You know, we're all sort of saying like,
608
00:26:43,588 --> 00:26:45,732
wait, why is an Apple
609
00:26:45,884 --> 00:26:48,762
$9 or whatever? you know, and why
610
00:26:48,794 --> 00:26:51,242
is that? We'like the smoothies.
611
00:26:51,434 --> 00:26:52,314
Oh God.
612
00:26:52,450 --> 00:26:54,810
Okay. Erewhon has a meat smoothie.
613
00:26:54,938 --> 00:26:57,286
---
614
00:26:57,826 --> 00:27:00,202
They have a smoothie that's meat.
615
00:27:00,314 --> 00:27:02,586
Wasn't that a Ren & Stimpy joke
616
00:27:02,626 --> 00:27:03,466
from like the mid-90s.
617
00:27:03,586 --> 00:27:06,430
It's real. Isn't that
618
00:27:06,478 --> 00:27:08,786
crazy? And it's $18.
619
00:27:11,406 --> 00:27:14,382
I mean, if I can't write comedy around that, I'm done.
620
00:27:14,414 --> 00:27:14,986
---
621
00:27:17,046 --> 00:27:19,758
Honestly, the hardest part is the fact that it's too obscure
622
00:27:19,822 --> 00:27:20,866
by nature.
623
00:27:21,166 --> 00:27:24,166
I know. It's so ridiculous. It's
624
00:27:24,206 --> 00:27:27,142
almost like Trump, you know, it's so ridiculous. You can't
625
00:27:27,174 --> 00:27:29,094
really. You don't really have a lot to go with.
626
00:27:29,230 --> 00:27:31,866
No, you have to ground it before you can bounce back up.
627
00:27:33,176 --> 00:27:36,166
But, you know, this is a grocery store that is
628
00:27:36,206 --> 00:27:38,990
kind of straddling those worlds. It was a regular grocery
629
00:27:39,038 --> 00:27:41,598
store that now is trying to adapt
630
00:27:41,702 --> 00:27:44,598
the whole foods on steroids kind
631
00:27:44,622 --> 00:27:45,948
of, clientele.
632
00:27:46,124 --> 00:27:48,988
Fantastic. Oh, I am so looking forward to hearing where
633
00:27:49,004 --> 00:27:49,760
this goes.
634
00:27:51,420 --> 00:27:54,172
Yeah, go to Instagram (@Lifandi.Groceries) I'm posting stuff pretty
635
00:27:54,196 --> 00:27:57,114
all. Pretty much all the time. and I'm sharing it on my own
636
00:27:57,162 --> 00:27:59,568
Instagram (@JohnCLehr) stuff. but yeah, all these
637
00:27:59,664 --> 00:28:02,547
amazing, improv artists. and
638
00:28:02,571 --> 00:28:05,435
a lot of names... a lot of people you recognize because you've seen
639
00:28:05,475 --> 00:28:08,363
Quickdraw, right? But new people
640
00:28:08,419 --> 00:28:10,215
too. I'm bringing in a lot of new people,
641
00:28:11,235 --> 00:28:13,915
which is also love how loyal.
642
00:28:13,955 --> 00:28:16,627
You are with the people you collaborated with in the past and making sure you give
643
00:28:16,651 --> 00:28:19,643
them opportunities as you go forward. Like, not everyone
644
00:28:19,699 --> 00:28:21,291
thinks to bring people with them.
645
00:28:21,443 --> 00:28:21,470
O.
646
00:28:21,470 --> 00:28:23,878
it's selfish. I know that they'll
647
00:28:23,934 --> 00:28:25,468
deliver. I wish more people.
648
00:28:25,524 --> 00:28:26,884
Kept that mindset though.
649
00:28:27,012 --> 00:28:29,610
I mean, Bob Clendenin, who I put in everything, I've ever
650
00:28:29,650 --> 00:28:32,640
done, is, a genius. I mean, he's just,
651
00:28:33,020 --> 00:28:35,852
oh my God, it's so amazing. When we're editing, it's
652
00:28:35,876 --> 00:28:38,844
like... we're looking for an out on the scene. Like "A Blow"
653
00:28:38,892 --> 00:28:41,484
they call it, like a funny thing where you go out on a scene, it's
654
00:28:41,532 --> 00:28:44,532
always, "what's Bob doing? What did Bob say?...
655
00:28:44,556 --> 00:28:45,164
Go to Bob's camera."
656
00:28:45,212 --> 00:28:48,092
On Quickdraw, like 90% of the time he's in a room,
657
00:28:48,116 --> 00:28:49,728
he's the last word before you pop out.
658
00:28:49,884 --> 00:28:52,528
If you look at my shows, I mean, he is
659
00:28:52,704 --> 00:28:55,448
especially on the act breaks.
660
00:28:55,504 --> 00:28:56,100
It's almost always Bob.
661
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,432
Just the weird thoughts he generates on the
662
00:29:00,456 --> 00:29:03,416
fly. Milliseconds of genius in
663
00:29:03,488 --> 00:29:05,552
frequent succession.
664
00:29:05,656 --> 00:29:08,584
And a lovely, lovely man. Just great
665
00:29:08,632 --> 00:29:11,624
to work with. Just, you know, totally pro,
666
00:29:11,752 --> 00:29:14,552
you know, no it on time.
667
00:29:14,736 --> 00:29:17,540
And he's been in everything, that guy.
668
00:29:17,980 --> 00:29:20,892
I mean, I've definitely seen him around. I'm
669
00:29:20,916 --> 00:29:23,868
always... just the number of times I've seen him and been like, oh. And
670
00:29:23,884 --> 00:29:25,996
then it takes a little Too long. I'm like, right!
671
00:29:26,108 --> 00:29:29,012
It's Bob. Yup. I mean, you
672
00:29:29,036 --> 00:29:31,108
look at his resume, it's unreal.
673
00:29:31,244 --> 00:29:34,196
It's unending. I know you have to go soon,
674
00:29:34,228 --> 00:29:37,148
but is there anything that's been like, frustrating you that you want to hit on? Cause one
675
00:29:37,164 --> 00:29:40,052
of the things I'm trying to unpack is like toxic hustle culture and
676
00:29:40,076 --> 00:29:41,640
how to avoid that crud.
677
00:29:42,020 --> 00:29:44,978
Well, yeah, I mean, you know, the
678
00:29:45,154 --> 00:29:47,932
LA has been in, the Hollywood, the film and
679
00:29:47,956 --> 00:29:50,868
TV business, not so the TV business, let's put
680
00:29:50,884 --> 00:29:53,652
it that way, has been going
681
00:29:53,716 --> 00:29:56,434
through a huge change. the
682
00:29:56,482 --> 00:29:59,050
pandemic really shut things down,
683
00:29:59,130 --> 00:30:02,103
obviously. And coming out of the pandemic,
684
00:30:02,167 --> 00:30:03,491
there were two strikes.
685
00:30:04,551 --> 00:30:07,343
SAG and the Riters Guild. I'm members of
686
00:30:07,367 --> 00:30:09,979
both unions, but I. But
687
00:30:10,035 --> 00:30:13,027
those strikes, no one could perceive this. But
688
00:30:13,059 --> 00:30:15,267
those strikes combined, I think with the
689
00:30:15,299 --> 00:30:17,651
pandemic combined with a third
690
00:30:17,731 --> 00:30:20,483
element, which is that the streamer companies,
691
00:30:20,547 --> 00:30:23,537
in my opinion, were managing things
692
00:30:23,609 --> 00:30:26,321
poorly. They were going for big, big, big
693
00:30:26,361 --> 00:30:29,289
time hits like Game of Thrones, but... Which
694
00:30:29,305 --> 00:30:32,201
is fine, but they weren't nurturing other
695
00:30:32,241 --> 00:30:35,145
shows along the right way, not building anything.
696
00:30:35,273 --> 00:30:37,945
And so now... And they weren't making
697
00:30:37,993 --> 00:30:40,961
money. You think like "Netflix wasn't making money?"
698
00:30:41,001 --> 00:30:43,896
But you know, you look at these, you look at these
699
00:30:43,846 --> 00:30:46,790
companies and when you get to the bottom
700
00:30:46,822 --> 00:30:49,257
line, I mean the bottom line. they're losing
701
00:30:49,297 --> 00:30:52,023
money. And because for every Game of Thrones it
702
00:30:52,055 --> 00:30:54,831
goes, there's nine of them that cost a million billion
703
00:30:54,919 --> 00:30:57,849
bucks that didn't go. And so I think the,
704
00:30:57,943 --> 00:31:00,725
the shareholders who, you know,
705
00:31:00,821 --> 00:31:03,813
you know, have now been like, okay, enough, it's time
706
00:31:03,845 --> 00:31:06,197
to start. You look at like...
707
00:31:06,277 --> 00:31:07,057
Discovery Purchased,
708
00:31:07,132 --> 00:31:09,672
Oh yeah, the big like mergers and.
709
00:31:10,012 --> 00:31:12,916
And they've just killed. They've fired 30% of
710
00:31:12,924 --> 00:31:13,892
the executives.
711
00:31:14,052 --> 00:31:16,892
They've shelled those two finished projects
712
00:31:16,932 --> 00:31:18,684
just for the tax write off. Yeah.
713
00:31:18,828 --> 00:31:21,220
Yep. So I think those three
714
00:31:21,316 --> 00:31:23,876
combination of things has made it really,
715
00:31:24,004 --> 00:31:26,176
really tough. I mean, I developed
716
00:31:26,304 --> 00:31:29,168
Lifandi last summer and it's only
717
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,144
now that, I mean, nobody's buying
718
00:31:32,208 --> 00:31:35,024
anything and it's really been kind of stuck.
719
00:31:35,208 --> 00:31:38,054
And I don't think that will continue, but
720
00:31:38,078 --> 00:31:41,054
it is sort of. It's. Yeah. So it's been
721
00:31:41,078 --> 00:31:43,678
a really rough time. A lot of people not working.
722
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:46,782
A lot of people, especially on my level, not
723
00:31:46,822 --> 00:31:49,664
the big time, A-Listers, but
724
00:31:49,688 --> 00:31:52,580
the kind of medium level, has
725
00:31:52,716 --> 00:31:54,232
really dissipated.
726
00:31:54,652 --> 00:31:56,912
I am seeing a lot of like,
727
00:31:57,412 --> 00:32:00,388
buzzing activity happening on the indie circuit lately as people
728
00:32:00,420 --> 00:32:03,188
are looking for other ways to move
729
00:32:03,260 --> 00:32:05,740
projects forward and express stuff because they don't want to be dealing with
730
00:32:05,756 --> 00:32:07,992
these industry like
731
00:32:08,292 --> 00:32:11,084
weird boxes anymore. But it's
732
00:32:11,148 --> 00:32:11,492
true.
733
00:32:11,572 --> 00:32:14,414
I mean it is, it is interesting. and
734
00:32:14,438 --> 00:32:17,230
yeah, we've... My production company, we kind of have
735
00:32:17,286 --> 00:32:20,222
feet in both worlds of like self
736
00:32:20,262 --> 00:32:23,002
produced or branding or that kind of
737
00:32:23,542 --> 00:32:26,286
stuff. And then we're still in the world of like pitching
738
00:32:26,334 --> 00:32:29,282
to you know, studios and networks.
739
00:32:29,862 --> 00:32:32,750
So how have you personally been keeping your head
740
00:32:32,806 --> 00:32:35,702
clear with all this? Like, have you just been prioritizing interestingly?
741
00:32:35,742 --> 00:32:37,374
Is it just picking your targets?
742
00:32:37,438 --> 00:32:40,278
Like, you know, I've taken
743
00:32:40,390 --> 00:32:43,062
jobs that I might not
744
00:32:43,142 --> 00:32:45,839
have taken. But you know, the thing is like I
745
00:32:45,871 --> 00:32:48,801
took a job for advertising and I gotta say
746
00:32:48,825 --> 00:32:51,705
I really loved it... they just needed
747
00:32:51,737 --> 00:32:54,113
me to write, you know, they just needed some funny stuff.
748
00:32:54,161 --> 00:32:56,585
So I wrote for this huge
749
00:32:56,697 --> 00:32:59,673
advertiser and it was really interesting.
750
00:32:59,721 --> 00:33:02,449
Like the corporate culture, I don't really
751
00:33:02,569 --> 00:33:05,259
experience that much so I loved that.
752
00:33:05,839 --> 00:33:08,593
And then I've also been doing a lot of
753
00:33:08,681 --> 00:33:09,449
Live performing.
754
00:33:09,569 --> 00:33:11,669
Yeah, a lot.
755
00:33:12,009 --> 00:33:14,985
And I mean Griffin, I could tour like
756
00:33:15,137 --> 00:33:18,081
200 days a year if I wanted to. It's
757
00:33:18,105 --> 00:33:20,961
insane. People really want live stuff.
758
00:33:21,105 --> 00:33:22,309
Yeah, for sure.
759
00:33:22,729 --> 00:33:25,385
And I've been doing internationally. I just
760
00:33:25,417 --> 00:33:27,815
did Austria,
761
00:33:27,967 --> 00:33:29,757
Bulgaria,
762
00:33:29,773 --> 00:33:32,733
---
763
00:33:32,781 --> 00:33:35,541
I know you're. I know you were doing the
764
00:33:35,565 --> 00:33:38,477
Messing with Lehr
765
00:33:38,493 --> 00:33:39,021
...thing. What else have you been touring?
766
00:33:39,085 --> 00:33:41,941
That's it. That show. That show. We can tour it anywhere.
767
00:33:41,965 --> 00:33:44,901
It's with Susan Messing who's also in Lifandi.
768
00:33:45,045 --> 00:33:46,397
I've released a few cuts of her.
769
00:33:46,453 --> 00:33:47,245
Wonderful.
770
00:33:47,397 --> 00:33:50,397
She's a super talented improviser out of Chicago.
771
00:33:50,413 --> 00:33:52,723
We I mean we're going back to
772
00:33:52,771 --> 00:33:55,439
Norway. We're going to Switzerland.
773
00:33:55,979 --> 00:33:58,955
Like there's. But there's also in the States
774
00:33:58,987 --> 00:34:01,579
we're go goingna do a Midwest tour. I think like
775
00:34:01,619 --> 00:34:04,379
Kansas City because that's where I'm from. St. Louis,
776
00:34:04,499 --> 00:34:07,319
Austin and then some Southwest.
777
00:34:07,659 --> 00:34:08,811
I'm not sure that...
778
00:34:08,875 --> 00:34:09,999
And then Boston?
779
00:34:10,459 --> 00:34:13,323
I would love to do. I would love
780
00:34:13,371 --> 00:34:15,729
that... and see you again.
781
00:34:16,309 --> 00:34:19,221
Yeah, no, I don't make it as far west as you very often.
782
00:34:19,245 --> 00:34:21,797
I usually end up stopping at New York or Chicago these days.
783
00:34:21,853 --> 00:34:22,644
But yes.
784
00:34:22,644 --> 00:34:25,627
I'm trying to get over to Portland and Seattle for a couple things this year
785
00:34:25,643 --> 00:34:26,471
So we'll see how that goes.
786
00:34:26,595 --> 00:34:29,543
Oh yeah, we've done some dates in Seattle and Portland
787
00:34:29,631 --> 00:34:30,887
As well.
788
00:34:31,023 --> 00:34:31,463
Nice.
789
00:34:31,551 --> 00:34:34,404
Yeah, there's a lot... people just want that stuff.
790
00:34:34,415 --> 00:34:35,575
They just want it.
791
00:34:35,727 --> 00:34:38,519
Yeah, no, there's a lot more. I think it's just that that
792
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:41,543
combination of people not getting good entertainment streamed to them
793
00:34:41,591 --> 00:34:44,487
or like the stuff that's getting streamed is so like rapid fire that
794
00:34:44,503 --> 00:34:46,779
it's, it's not as
795
00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:49,957
appreciated, as enjoyed as, as
796
00:34:50,093 --> 00:34:53,037
experienced. And then yah. Being bottled up from
797
00:34:53,053 --> 00:34:56,027
the pandemic. That combination has really made
798
00:34:56,043 --> 00:34:59,027
people want to see curated like really well put together live
799
00:34:59,083 --> 00:34:59,679
things.
800
00:35:00,179 --> 00:35:03,140
I agree with you 100%. yeah, I think being bottled
801
00:35:03,164 --> 00:35:05,876
up in the pandemic was a lot of it. We kind of were all like
802
00:35:05,932 --> 00:35:08,828
oh wow. Doing things like that is,
803
00:35:08,908 --> 00:35:11,612
you know, you can't take it for granted. So yeah,
804
00:35:11,780 --> 00:35:14,508
it. I've always wished
805
00:35:14,668 --> 00:35:17,614
people could see what happens on the
806
00:35:17,646 --> 00:35:20,494
set when we're improvising doing stuff
807
00:35:20,526 --> 00:35:23,436
because the show of it so
808
00:35:23,532 --> 00:35:26,451
fun too. Like the crew gets the best show because
809
00:35:26,483 --> 00:35:29,315
they're seeing everything. Because it's different every
810
00:35:29,355 --> 00:35:29,960
take, every.
811
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,899
Ah, yeah. No, I've always. I've not resented. That's not
812
00:35:32,907 --> 00:35:35,891
the right word. I was always sad that you weren't releasing like
813
00:35:35,963 --> 00:35:38,651
blooper reels stuff or like B roll stuff of
814
00:35:38,803 --> 00:35:41,787
Quickdraw because I was always wondering like what other
815
00:35:41,891 --> 00:35:44,779
lines didn't make the cut on that. I think I saw like one or two things that
816
00:35:44,787 --> 00:35:45,935
did get released, but not...
817
00:35:46,435 --> 00:35:48,891
Yeah, it's weird. The owners, you know, because
818
00:35:48,923 --> 00:35:51,597
Hulu and TBA, they own the shows or
819
00:35:51,621 --> 00:35:54,619
Sony. and so they. Yeah, I think
820
00:35:54,707 --> 00:35:57,459
they, they're becoming more open
821
00:35:57,507 --> 00:36:00,171
to releasing that stuff. But they want to
822
00:36:00,203 --> 00:36:02,695
monetize everything. Yeah,
823
00:36:03,315 --> 00:36:04,131
understandable.
824
00:36:04,283 --> 00:36:07,147
But I don't think people understand that like sometimes
825
00:36:07,211 --> 00:36:09,459
giving a taste away for free is
826
00:36:09,507 --> 00:36:12,275
monetizing everything else. It's just weird.
827
00:36:12,435 --> 00:36:13,419
They're precious.
828
00:36:13,507 --> 00:36:14,427
Too precious.
829
00:36:14,571 --> 00:36:17,267
I know, I know. And they're starting to see that
830
00:36:17,331 --> 00:36:19,967
that's marketing. They're starting to see it as marketing. Like
831
00:36:19,991 --> 00:36:22,471
stuff for free on YouTube is
832
00:36:22,503 --> 00:36:25,397
marketing. But you know, it's hard to get these giant
833
00:36:25,477 --> 00:36:27,657
companies to change their ways.
834
00:36:27,957 --> 00:36:30,517
Yeah, no, I guess it is easier when you're only
835
00:36:30,557 --> 00:36:33,269
making decisions one to one on, on the
836
00:36:33,293 --> 00:36:33,857
spot.
837
00:36:34,462 --> 00:36:35,483
right, right.
838
00:36:35,595 --> 00:36:38,427
That person George, who does comic books, I will work comic cons with him
839
00:36:38,507 --> 00:36:41,171
and he had brought up which I had kind of
840
00:36:41,179 --> 00:36:44,141
forgotten that I did this. But if a show is going poorly and we're not like
841
00:36:44,189 --> 00:36:47,125
getting a lot of customers or foot traffic and it's just like bad
842
00:36:47,181 --> 00:36:50,093
energy all throughout the room. Instead... I used to mope
843
00:36:50,165 --> 00:36:53,125
the first couple of years I would just like get... it would get into
844
00:36:53,141 --> 00:36:56,029
me and then at some point it tilted and then I will
845
00:36:56,053 --> 00:36:59,005
Just be like, okay, well now I'm just gonna like, give stuff. Like if someone walks by and
846
00:36:59,021 --> 00:37:02,013
they seem excited but they're not buying, I'll just give them a thing like,
847
00:37:02,045 --> 00:37:04,845
here, take it. It's. It's costing me a dollar for
848
00:37:04,861 --> 00:37:07,633
the having printed it or for the bookmark. And like,
849
00:37:07,765 --> 00:37:10,652
now you're happy and you're going to take that out there.
850
00:37:10,652 --> 00:37:13,601
And maybe next year you come back with friends and then it turns
851
00:37:13,649 --> 00:37:14,769
into that in the future.
852
00:37:14,913 --> 00:37:17,537
But like, it builds your brand and it
853
00:37:17,577 --> 00:37:18,041
yeah
854
00:37:18,169 --> 00:37:20,993
And there's no reason to protect the stuff that's not selling. That didn't cost
855
00:37:21,025 --> 00:37:23,969
me. Like, that's not where I'm... I've lost money on paying for the
856
00:37:23,993 --> 00:37:26,889
table. So this is just stuff that like, is now
857
00:37:26,953 --> 00:37:29,353
bogging me down. Might as well just make use of it.
858
00:37:29,465 --> 00:37:31,785
Yeah. Then you don't have to carry it back to the car.
859
00:37:31,881 --> 00:37:32,757
Yeah, that.
860
00:37:35,707 --> 00:37:36,727
Who wins?
861
00:37:38,827 --> 00:37:41,795
So where are you off to? Like, what you. What's. What's the next
862
00:37:41,811 --> 00:37:44,067
thing you're doing? What's. What are you looking forward to most in the next moment?
863
00:37:44,147 --> 00:37:46,953
I'm gonna shoot a little, another Lifandi
864
00:37:47,025 --> 00:37:47,593
scene.
865
00:37:47,745 --> 00:37:48,273
Cool.
866
00:37:48,385 --> 00:37:51,220
That we're coming up on. And I'm going
867
00:37:51,284 --> 00:37:54,167
to, Cleanson University.
868
00:37:54,335 --> 00:37:55,043
Oh.
869
00:37:55,743 --> 00:37:58,727
To scout and cast for a
870
00:37:58,775 --> 00:38:01,715
student film that they want to do a
871
00:38:01,859 --> 00:38:04,675
feature. And so I'm gonna
872
00:38:04,739 --> 00:38:06,143
direct it and write it.
873
00:38:06,883 --> 00:38:07,979
That's amazing.
874
00:38:08,131 --> 00:38:10,651
Cast, you know, some students, some professional
875
00:38:10,707 --> 00:38:13,562
actors and and then professional crew.
876
00:38:13,618 --> 00:38:16,290
But also bring in student crew
877
00:38:16,442 --> 00:38:17,858
so that they can learn.
878
00:38:17,946 --> 00:38:19,818
So that's amazing.
879
00:38:19,946 --> 00:38:22,738
Yeah. I cannot wait. It's gonna be so,
880
00:38:22,826 --> 00:38:25,144
like, different, and fun.
881
00:38:25,819 --> 00:38:28,637
it's a producer that I've worked with a, ton. And
882
00:38:28,669 --> 00:38:31,485
he's now a professor there. And he said, hey,
883
00:38:31,613 --> 00:38:33,381
this idea, do you want to do it?
884
00:38:33,421 --> 00:38:36,277
I was like, okay, absolutely
885
00:38:36,309 --> 00:38:37,041
brilliant.
886
00:38:37,341 --> 00:38:39,361
I gotta write it, which sucks.
887
00:38:41,421 --> 00:38:44,221
Is always. There is always the hard work next to the fun
888
00:38:44,261 --> 00:38:44,841
work.
889
00:38:45,581 --> 00:38:48,461
But I get so much done on the plane and I travel
890
00:38:48,501 --> 00:38:51,389
so much now I can really jam stuff out on the plane.
891
00:38:51,445 --> 00:38:52,437
I don't know why.
892
00:38:52,589 --> 00:38:54,973
I'm on the train to New York tomorrow and I have like two
893
00:38:54,997 --> 00:38:57,949
illustrations due for thing. I was like, I'll do the lines today and
894
00:38:57,965 --> 00:39:00,861
then I'll just. I'll paint it on the train tomorrow and I'll have my little
895
00:39:00,901 --> 00:39:03,901
kit there... and everyone will be looking at me like, how are you doing this on a
896
00:39:03,941 --> 00:39:06,761
rocking train? I'm like, you just learn. You just learn.
897
00:39:08,421 --> 00:39:11,421
I know. I'm that weird dude on the plane. Who's hunched over his
898
00:39:11,461 --> 00:39:13,681
computer while everybody else is sleeping.
899
00:39:14,701 --> 00:39:17,527
But there's no... Nobody bugs you.
900
00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:17,935
Nobody texts.
901
00:39:18,023 --> 00:39:20,903
You know, honestly, it's my favorite thing. Traveling, being in
902
00:39:20,927 --> 00:39:23,823
airports. Cause there's nothing else I can do but whatever I
903
00:39:23,847 --> 00:39:26,711
want. There's no intrusive thought that can take me in a different direction.
904
00:39:26,751 --> 00:39:28,171
It's just what's there.
905
00:39:30,846 --> 00:39:32,521
it's a prison of your making.
906
00:39:32,641 --> 00:39:35,217
Yeah, I'm only
907
00:39:35,369 --> 00:39:37,141
capped by what I've brought with me.
908
00:39:39,656 --> 00:39:42,223
well, thank you so much for sitting down with me and chatting. This has
909
00:39:42,247 --> 00:39:43,911
been hugely helpful.
910
00:39:44,691 --> 00:39:47,619
Thank you for having me, Griffin. You're such a great person.
911
00:39:47,675 --> 00:39:50,363
I just love the way you think and... I'm a
912
00:39:50,387 --> 00:39:50,951
fan.
913
00:39:52,051 --> 00:39:54,831
That is very kind of you to say,
914
00:39:57,571 --> 00:40:00,003
but I'll let you get back to what you're doing and.
915
00:40:00,067 --> 00:40:00,555
All right.
916
00:40:00,643 --> 00:40:03,555
I'll might bring you back later for a follow up in the
917
00:40:03,603 --> 00:40:05,634
future. But otherwise keep me posted on what's going on.
918
00:40:05,770 --> 00:40:08,444
Okay. Who's paying for the coffee? Me or...
919
00:40:08,540 --> 00:40:11,336
I'll take care. I got it. Okay. I know the barista.
920
00:40:21,116 --> 00:40:23,922
God, I love talking to John. there is
921
00:40:23,994 --> 00:40:26,994
never a point of a conversation with him where I am bored, where
922
00:40:27,010 --> 00:40:29,126
I'm not smiling or laughing.
923
00:40:29,466 --> 00:40:30,966
It's insane.
924
00:40:31,786 --> 00:40:34,174
it looked like you were having a good time.
925
00:40:34,370 --> 00:40:36,266
Yeah, I.
926
00:40:37,606 --> 00:40:40,350
He makes it very easy to be comfortable
927
00:40:40,518 --> 00:40:43,106
in the conversation no matter what. And it's.
928
00:40:43,486 --> 00:40:46,306
I can see why he... His charisma
929
00:40:46,886 --> 00:40:49,786
clearly is a big value add for a lot of what he does.
930
00:40:50,646 --> 00:40:53,542
But I definitely came away with some interesting stuff because
931
00:40:53,574 --> 00:40:55,826
neither you or I really have a
932
00:40:57,046 --> 00:40:59,326
TV adjacent
933
00:40:59,446 --> 00:41:02,302
production knowledge or like that's not our
934
00:41:02,374 --> 00:41:04,916
method of anything. No.
935
00:41:05,936 --> 00:41:08,704
But on your point of focus,
936
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,800
before he and I started chatting, he did
937
00:41:11,848 --> 00:41:14,640
go into the idea of like it did end up being mostly with the
938
00:41:14,648 --> 00:41:17,576
actors it seemed where when he
939
00:41:17,616 --> 00:41:20,528
is going into a project he does try to bring people with him and
940
00:41:20,552 --> 00:41:23,240
he specifically, he specifically named dropped Bob (Clendenin)
941
00:41:23,288 --> 00:41:26,280
who I think I have seen him work with in every project
942
00:41:26,328 --> 00:41:28,596
that I've watched him do. And
943
00:41:29,436 --> 00:41:31,927
it clearly for good reason. Like he just
944
00:41:32,007 --> 00:41:34,751
delivers and he always hits the like
945
00:41:34,799 --> 00:41:37,663
tone and the awkwardness that he's aiming for. He's got that kind of
946
00:41:37,695 --> 00:41:40,423
slapsticky vibe to himself as an actor
947
00:41:40,495 --> 00:41:43,343
and it makes perfect sense.
948
00:41:43,495 --> 00:41:46,295
But I did love that he... John does have a
949
00:41:46,391 --> 00:41:49,367
focal value on... If you've worked with good
950
00:41:49,407 --> 00:41:52,343
people, keep working with those people as
951
00:41:52,375 --> 00:41:54,767
long as they'll come with you. And
952
00:41:54,927 --> 00:41:57,711
I, as someone who as you've seen will try to drag People
953
00:41:57,759 --> 00:41:59,267
from project to project,
954
00:42:01,247 --> 00:42:03,587
Present company definitely include. Yeah.
955
00:42:05,447 --> 00:42:08,372
Then, yeah, no, once you. Once you have a good rappprt
956
00:42:08,388 --> 00:42:11,116
with someone like that is invaluable in my
957
00:42:11,140 --> 00:42:13,740
opinion. And I was happy to see that reflected in
958
00:42:13,772 --> 00:42:16,700
John's mindset. But it was a little
959
00:42:16,732 --> 00:42:19,396
daunting to hear how abnormal that sounded like it
960
00:42:19,420 --> 00:42:20,030
was.
961
00:42:20,212 --> 00:42:23,058
Yeah, I mean, there's a.
962
00:42:23,146 --> 00:42:25,866
I think a difference somewhere. There's a
963
00:42:25,890 --> 00:42:28,634
line between knowing good people
964
00:42:28,714 --> 00:42:31,354
and continuing to work with them and just like outright
965
00:42:31,394 --> 00:42:32,694
harmful cronyism.
966
00:42:33,274 --> 00:42:34,694
Yeah, yeah.
967
00:42:36,354 --> 00:42:38,866
It's a tricky balance to find.
968
00:42:39,010 --> 00:42:41,618
Like, sometimes, like, especially in the
969
00:42:41,666 --> 00:42:44,514
professional sphere for a paid gig, it
970
00:42:44,554 --> 00:42:47,304
can sting to see that it went to
971
00:42:47,384 --> 00:42:50,176
somebody's best friend instead of
972
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,576
an actor that you know and like, or even
973
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,844
yourself. But
974
00:42:55,224 --> 00:42:57,720
in, like, academic theater
975
00:42:57,912 --> 00:43:00,872
or in just fun projects that
976
00:43:00,888 --> 00:43:03,880
you're doing, I think having
977
00:43:04,072 --> 00:43:07,032
a network of people you're friends with,
978
00:43:07,088 --> 00:43:09,736
but also people that you can really trust on a
979
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,604
professional level is really important. Like,
980
00:43:12,764 --> 00:43:15,164
I'm helping out one of my friends with her senior
981
00:43:15,204 --> 00:43:18,116
thesis and something
982
00:43:18,140 --> 00:43:21,020
that she kept reiterating to me as she
983
00:43:21,052 --> 00:43:23,704
was, like, asking me to do her this favor,
984
00:43:24,164 --> 00:43:27,052
which I don't consider it a favor. I'm super excited that
985
00:43:27,068 --> 00:43:29,970
I get to do this because she's brilliant. but something that she kept
986
00:43:30,002 --> 00:43:32,810
reiterating to me was that she has a lot
987
00:43:32,842 --> 00:43:35,490
of trust in my ability as an actor
988
00:43:35,562 --> 00:43:38,546
and my, like, level of professionalism.
989
00:43:38,730 --> 00:43:41,690
And she has absolute
990
00:43:41,762 --> 00:43:44,226
faith in me to be able to do her main
991
00:43:44,290 --> 00:43:46,946
character justice. Like, that just means the
992
00:43:46,970 --> 00:43:47,442
world.
993
00:43:47,578 --> 00:43:50,474
That's amazing. Those are the moments that, like,
994
00:43:50,514 --> 00:43:52,254
can carry you forever.
995
00:43:52,834 --> 00:43:54,574
Yeah, absolutely.
996
00:43:54,874 --> 00:43:57,834
There is something John specifically hit the point
997
00:43:57,914 --> 00:44:00,658
of in, at least in the TV world, in the
998
00:44:00,706 --> 00:44:03,666
production cycle, in the way that, like, it has to move through certain chains
999
00:44:03,730 --> 00:44:06,326
and gates before it becomes an actual thing.
1000
00:44:06,510 --> 00:44:09,246
While you will have someone who
1001
00:44:09,390 --> 00:44:12,118
gets a roll or gets their foot in the door
1002
00:44:12,206 --> 00:44:15,036
because they know someone or because they're related, to this person.
1003
00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:18,060
Somebody called in a favor. There is a little
1004
00:44:18,092 --> 00:44:20,980
bit more in that machine, which probably
1005
00:44:21,012 --> 00:44:23,820
has something to do with the corporate construct of it. But if
1006
00:44:23,852 --> 00:44:26,820
you can't deliver once you're there, then
1007
00:44:26,932 --> 00:44:29,492
a lot of those advantages end up useless.
1008
00:44:29,628 --> 00:44:32,496
Obviously, like, we see from the outside stuff that
1009
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,743
gets, published, produced,
1010
00:44:34,911 --> 00:44:35,819
circulated,
1011
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:40,949
like, Like M. Night Shyamalan recently put
1012
00:44:40,989 --> 00:44:43,947
his daughter in a project and like, literally made the
1013
00:44:44,003 --> 00:44:46,387
project to focus on her. And there was a lot of
1014
00:44:46,403 --> 00:44:49,403
criticism because people didn't think that she did
1015
00:44:49,491 --> 00:44:52,051
fulfill the requirements.
1016
00:44:52,235 --> 00:44:54,959
And that's gotta be really rough. But, like, in Most
1017
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:58,191
multi faceted systems where it's not just
1018
00:44:58,335 --> 00:45:01,271
essentially a vanity project being put together by somebody
1019
00:45:01,295 --> 00:45:03,839
in the industry, there are a little bit more
1020
00:45:03,959 --> 00:45:06,911
buffers and gates to keep that from ending up as the
1021
00:45:06,935 --> 00:45:07,859
end result.
1022
00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:10,559
It's interesting I don't
1023
00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:13,599
have a direct point of reference for what you're talking
1024
00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:16,439
about so purely from the information you've given me,
1025
00:45:16,599 --> 00:45:19,399
I think it's interesting that people
1026
00:45:19,439 --> 00:45:22,275
are talking about this person
1027
00:45:22,347 --> 00:45:24,963
not being able to fulfill the requirements of the role
1028
00:45:25,051 --> 00:45:27,763
when according to the information that you
1029
00:45:27,811 --> 00:45:30,491
gave, it was made for them.
1030
00:45:30,675 --> 00:45:33,475
Yeah, it's very interestingly weird that
1031
00:45:33,507 --> 00:45:36,339
like criticism is directly in
1032
00:45:36,379 --> 00:45:38,811
face of both intention and
1033
00:45:38,915 --> 00:45:39,559
control.
1034
00:45:40,059 --> 00:45:42,163
I mean audience is gonna audience.
1035
00:45:42,291 --> 00:45:45,221
But yes. Patrick (H) Willems who does a
1036
00:45:45,245 --> 00:45:47,697
fantastic YouTube channel, did
1037
00:45:47,753 --> 00:45:50,633
a episode kind of teaching people how
1038
00:45:50,681 --> 00:45:53,529
film criticism... like a nice beginner crash
1039
00:45:53,569 --> 00:45:56,469
course for talking about films and
1040
00:45:57,409 --> 00:46:00,109
there was definitely a focal point...
1041
00:46:00,969 --> 00:46:03,921
Critics or audiences trying to
1042
00:46:03,945 --> 00:46:06,417
take a critical perspective against
1043
00:46:06,513 --> 00:46:09,497
a work because it's not what they thought
1044
00:46:09,513 --> 00:46:12,297
it was going to be is very different than considering
1045
00:46:12,353 --> 00:46:15,239
the intention of the project and what they were
1046
00:46:15,279 --> 00:46:16,139
trying for.
1047
00:46:16,479 --> 00:46:19,351
I think that's an important thing to learn especially as
1048
00:46:19,415 --> 00:46:21,459
a creative yourself...
1049
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:25,144
general you... not a specific call out...
1050
00:46:25,184 --> 00:46:28,128
especially in creative fields, strong opinions
1051
00:46:28,256 --> 00:46:31,072
form and it's difficult but it is a
1052
00:46:31,088 --> 00:46:33,936
reckoning you have to have of like some
1053
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,764
things just aren't for you.
1054
00:46:36,584 --> 00:46:39,360
Sometimes you're gonna hate a thing and that
1055
00:46:39,392 --> 00:46:42,390
doesn't make it bad. And
1056
00:46:42,422 --> 00:46:44,954
even if it is bad you can still
1057
00:46:45,334 --> 00:46:48,278
dislike it for you know,
1058
00:46:48,366 --> 00:46:51,074
superficial reasons and not because it is
1059
00:46:51,614 --> 00:46:52,954
not high up.
1060
00:46:55,014 --> 00:46:57,924
I like when you do the other voices. one of my exes,
1061
00:46:58,704 --> 00:47:01,672
a ... point of contention I would repeatedly trigger
1062
00:47:01,728 --> 00:47:04,247
in her was if we were watching a movie
1063
00:47:04,395 --> 00:47:07,151
together I would sometimes just make a
1064
00:47:07,167 --> 00:47:10,111
noise like "Ohh?" And she would think that I
1065
00:47:10,127 --> 00:47:12,567
was criticizing it in a dislike
1066
00:47:12,615 --> 00:47:15,375
way and I'm like No, no. Like you're a
1067
00:47:15,399 --> 00:47:17,839
scientist and if you saw someone trying to solve a
1068
00:47:17,871 --> 00:47:20,847
problem, you'd still notice what they did
1069
00:47:20,895 --> 00:47:23,815
different than what you would have done. That's not you saying they're
1070
00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:26,703
doing it wrong necessarily. This is the same thing. I
1071
00:47:26,743 --> 00:47:29,575
write stories. I didn't think that was going toa be the payoff to
1072
00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:32,569
that like setup. And yeah, she would get
1073
00:47:32,641 --> 00:47:35,577
really aggravated with me and just would not accept that
1074
00:47:35,585 --> 00:47:38,575
I was not... She was just stuck on thinking I hated things that she wanted
1075
00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:39,403
me to like.
1076
00:47:41,663 --> 00:47:44,483
I'm trying to think if I have something about like
1077
00:47:45,463 --> 00:47:46,599
I don't think I do.
1078
00:47:46,711 --> 00:47:47,603
That's fair.
1079
00:47:48,343 --> 00:47:50,929
Like I've griped enough. I don't need to complain
1080
00:47:50,985 --> 00:47:51,581
again.
1081
00:47:52,241 --> 00:47:54,961
But no, overall, it is just
1082
00:47:55,121 --> 00:47:58,017
nice to see that there are collaborative standards and there
1083
00:47:58,049 --> 00:48:00,929
are people who, who are operating in these roles
1084
00:48:00,985 --> 00:48:03,781
of kind of leading projects where they are
1085
00:48:04,241 --> 00:48:07,241
taking everyone into consideration in the way these projects work
1086
00:48:07,281 --> 00:48:10,257
and making sure that everyone feels valued and gets the shine.
1087
00:48:10,409 --> 00:48:12,737
Yeah, I absolutely agree. I think
1088
00:48:12,929 --> 00:48:15,841
it's very meaningful and it's also a great
1089
00:48:15,881 --> 00:48:18,857
way to build a network. It's a great way to
1090
00:48:18,889 --> 00:48:21,833
make yourself somebody who is loved in what
1091
00:48:21,857 --> 00:48:24,541
you do if you are clearly
1092
00:48:24,961 --> 00:48:26,901
careful about your people.
1093
00:48:27,321 --> 00:48:30,273
Yeah. Yeah. So
1094
00:48:30,297 --> 00:48:32,969
that being said, if there's anything you ever need,
1095
00:48:32,985 --> 00:48:33,541
remember to let me know.
1096
00:48:34,161 --> 00:48:35,761
I know I have promised.
1097
00:48:35,881 --> 00:48:36,861
I got you.
1098
00:48:38,841 --> 00:48:41,793
Well, I have my third ever bartending shift in
1099
00:48:41,817 --> 00:48:44,673
just a half hour or so, so I gotta go
1100
00:48:44,697 --> 00:48:47,545
brush up on my classic cocktails.
1101
00:48:47,673 --> 00:48:50,573
I'm very excited that the long con I've been playing
1102
00:48:50,597 --> 00:48:53,509
at my big adult job has finally panned out and now I'm
1103
00:48:53,525 --> 00:48:54,801
on the bartender list.
1104
00:48:55,461 --> 00:48:58,429
I am so happy you finally got there because I know you were kind
1105
00:48:58,445 --> 00:49:00,997
of excited about the concept for a while and I'm a little
1106
00:49:01,029 --> 00:49:01,761
envious.
1107
00:49:02,061 --> 00:49:03,801
I've been planting seeds
1108
00:49:04,941 --> 00:49:07,441
for as long as I have worked there.
1109
00:49:08,341 --> 00:49:11,321
Go have fun slinging drinks. I will talk to you next time.
1110
00:49:11,781 --> 00:49:12,881
Sounds good.
1111
00:49:37,661 --> 00:49:40,037
Likey - Hey Archer- there's a saf - Sorry -
1112
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:41,201
- Oh Sorry -
1113
00:49:43,481 --> 00:49:46,425
And that's the end of the conversation for the day!
1114
00:49:46,473 --> 00:49:47,141
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1115
00:49:52,321 --> 00:49:54,801
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00:49:54,841 --> 00:49:57,729
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00:50:02,433 --> 00:50:05,393
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1124
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