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Sean’s Monologue: Where’s the Democracy?
Today on Coup Save America, Sean has a conversation with Paul Greenberg, author of seven books, including the New York Times bestseller Four Fish. Paul’s most recent book, A Third Term is a work of satirical fiction, in which Paul explores what might happen if a sitting president were to finagle an extra four years from the American people – and could this problem be solved by resurrecting George Washington and bringing him to the 21st century?
Paul starts by sharing his childhood passion for the environment, which moved him to become an author. His disgust for the theatrics of politics inspired him to make a shift from non-fiction and pen a novel based on the ultimate theatrical president (guess who?). Paul answers the question of why satire is an effective method of making a point. He tells us about his friendship with his cover designer, Barry Blitt, artist of The New Yorker fame.
Paul goes on to explain why he chose not to use Trump’s name in A Third Term, although the book’s antagonist is blatantly based on our current president. How does Hollywood contribute to public awareness and opinion? Was the movie Jaws a political allegory?
Without revealing the twist ending, Sean and Paul discuss whether the events of A Third Term are really so absurd as to be impossible – aside from resurrecting dead presidents, of course. Paul disagrees with Sean’s belief that America was intentionally built and designed to disenfranchise the poor, and he shares his opinions on the founding father’s potential motives. And what would George Washington have thought about Donald Trump? Is there anything about “the tyrant” that may have impressed him? What’s the deal with presidents who have served in the military vs. those who did not?
Paul shares personal stories about other podcast appearances and his work with a non-profit in Russia. He and Sean wonder if Al Franken could have defeated Trump – and was that why he got cancelled? – and they discuss the hypocrisy of the Epstein files controversy. They talk about how politicians use distraction to cover up what really going on (with RFK being one of those distractions), then Paul turns the tables and asks Sean to answer a few questions about his own belief system.
Paul tells us what he’s found to be the most surprising thing about the first six months of the second Trump administration, and he shares some interesting ideas about making it illegal to be a lawyer and designing “MAGA goggles.” Then he talks about how autocracies work, using examples from his time in Russia, the book 1984, Croatia, and South Park.
Sean and Paul then focus on the story elements of A Third Term. Paul tells us how term limits began in the first place and explains a workaround used in Serbia to bypass term limit laws. He tells a story about bumping in Chuck Schumer one Christmas Eve.
Paul asks the question, “Why must our politicians be so darn old?” He and Sean talk about how Zohran Mamdani is actually seeing problems and proposing solutions, and they look again at the debacle of Boomers vs. Millennials and how the latter get a bad rap simply for growing up in a society that worked differently from previous decades.
Finally, we listen to an excerpt from A Third Term, and we find out something that Sean has in common with George Washington. Paul talks about how America is in literal physical pain, and what that does to a nation. He discusses the historical and scientific accuracy of his book, and he tells us how AI helped him with the 2024 rewrite. Paul concludes with a brief overview of his previous works, and he promises to come back on the show to discuss other important matters he’s studied.
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