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Welcome to Conversations with the Hoff.
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I'm Steve Hoffman, your host, and with me in the studio today is the executive producer of Liberty Crack Media, Trip Detmering.
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Hello, everybody.
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Today's episode is going to be about election integrity, and more specifically about the organization called South Carolina Safe Elections.
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Our guest today is Larry Hyams.
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He is a 30-year resident in South Carolina, owns a business in the Myrtle Beach area, and is the Ory County team leader for SC Safe Elections.
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Welcome to the show, Larry.
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Hi, Steve.
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Thanks for having me on.
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Yeah, I'd kind of like to start the program by asking you what got you interested in working with South Carolina Safe Elections.
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Well, like a lot of other people, I witnessed a uh federal election being stolen from the American people in 2020.
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And that was uh obviously very upsetting.
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And I've been blessed, I've been given much, and I feel like I need to give back.
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Uh this country needs to be uh taken back by the people, not by large government.
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So I believe the election results do not reflect the uh will of the American people right now.
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The globalist elites created and spread the COVID-19 virus to steal the United States 2020 presidential election.
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They created a situation where they forced mail-in ballots to every state that would take them.
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We went to bed on the evening of 2020 presidential election with President Trump comfortably comfortably in the lead when we woke up.
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Five of the big blue swing states had swung Biden's way.
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The deep state used January 6th to force the certification of an uncertifiable election result.
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Please keep that in mind going forward how important it is that the certification be done correctly.
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Every institution under deep state control went to work with the cover-up.
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The damage was done over the next four years was incalculable.
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I think American Americans should get involved in fixing our elections.
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The most important thing you can do as a U.S.
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citizen, you can have as a U.S.
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citizen is your vote.
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We don't have a country without borders and fair elections.
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Yeah, I noticed during the uh 2020 election there in the Philadelphia, where they had the cameras uh looking at the the elections office, and uh all of a sudden the the monitors, the Republican Party monitors, were kicked out of the office, and then they stood out and they looked through the windows, and the next thing you know, the curtains are drawn.
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So all the counting was done in secrecy.
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Uh there's nothing wrong about that, right?
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And then in the face, isn't it, Steve?
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Right.
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And then in and then Ori and then Fulton County in the Atlanta area, all of a sudden you see all of these briefcases being pulled out from underneath the tables and stuff, and then the curtains close.
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So nothing to see here, Steve.
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Right.
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Don't mind the man behind the curtain there.
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Uh also the same thing happened in Mariposa County, Arizona.
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All kinds of election irregularities, and the Republican candidate even sued Mariposa County because of the numerous irregularities.
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Unfortunately, I don't think anything's been done.
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So, really, that's why I think it's important that we talk about the issues that have been identified by South Carolina safe elections and what's being done about those issues.
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Now, you you have a definite heartache with the uh electronic voting machines.
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Can you talk a little bit about that?
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I do.
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I I know that I've never met a computer that couldn't be hacked.
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And uh if you give bad people the opportunity to do bad things and you've watched it happen year after year after year, I mean, common sense would tell you that they will flip elections in the computers.
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It's been proven.
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Um Cause of America has uh an election evidence uh website where you can go in and look at all of the transcripts from poll workers and different election-related employees that saw the fraud.
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It's all documented, but we have crooked judges and we have crooked media, it's not reported on and it's not followed up on.
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Everything just dies in the dark.
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So that's where the citizens have to come in and shed light on things.
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Get it, get it out in the public so everybody understands what happened, and that's what I'm trying to do.
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And I don't think that the average American citizen really understands the risks associated with those electronic voting machines.
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Uh on your website, uh SC uh Safeelections.org.elections.org, there's a there's a video on there where a lady has a really good uh audio about uh and video about the vulnerabilities and the risks associated with those uh electronic voting machines.
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I I I listened to it and I was amazed at how how how we ever came to actually buy those in the first place.
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They're easily manipulated, easily hacked, and uh somebody can definitely turn the results differently for an election.
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Yes, so the uh election machine companies all are in communication with each other.
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They they all know what they're doing.
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In November of 2019, the state election commission for South Carolina accepted a bid from election systems and software, otherwise known as ESNS, for$52 million.
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We bought a way to rig and steal elections for our beautiful state.
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Yeah, it seems like nobody is following the rules when it comes to election protocol.
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Even you even mentioned the South Carolina State Constitution talks about how elections are supposed to be run and we're not doing it.
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Can you talk about that a little bit?
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I sure can.
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Um Article 2 of the South Carolina Constitution is entitled The Right of Suffrage, and it consists of 11 sections.
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Um it says all elections by the people shall be by secret ballot, but the ballots shall not be counted in secret.
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Again, ballots are to be cast in private and counted in public.
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Our ballots are not counted in public.
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We don't get to see any detailed information about how the votes came in.
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The voting machine companies that the state of South Carolina picked, they withhold the cast vote records from us.
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We FOIA's them and we were rejected.
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All 50 states had their cast vote records requested, and half of the states approved it and half didn't.
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I got a letter from Alan Wilson's office that said, uh, no, we believe this has perfe personal information on it, and we we can't release it.
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That's not true.
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Alan Wilson, that's total BS.
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You heard it from the Hoff.
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We need transparency.
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Yeah, if our uh Constitutional Republic is going to survive, everything has to be transparent.
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That's my own opinion.
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Who runs this government?
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Who runs this state?
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We do.
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Uh progressive Republicans.
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Yeah, you have to wonder.
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Yeah, we're supposed to run the state.
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Old school Democrats that turned Republican.
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Yeah, there there you go.
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So let's start, and I know you you didn't want to focus entirely on this, but let's talk about some of the issues that have been identified by South Carolina safe elections.
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Number one, they talk about the oversized precincts, and that actually violates state law.
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What do you know about that?
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I know that it's a a fact that in the larger population areas they have more than 1,500 uh registered voters at precincts, and it's uh more difficult to manage.
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Uh, I know that in the mid-state right now, during early voting, they've got lines of 50 minutes for some precincts because they have greater than 4,000 voters in that in that precinct.
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So the size needs to be reduced.
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I did a nono on Tuesday where I voted in the early voting.
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And I went there Monday, the first day, and the line was all the way to the street.
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It must have been a couple hours of waiting there.
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So I went the second day and I I waited one hour to vote.
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Still long lines.
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But uh yeah, the it according to your organization, 40% of the precincts in South Carolina exceed the legal limit of 1,500 registered voters.
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Some precincts even have up to 6,000 voters.
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So long lines, delays, and uh logistic nightmare as far as how you do the handling of all the votes and the counting of the votes.
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Yeah, voters get frustrated when they have to wait in line and it discourages them from voting, which reduces turnout.
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And we know that this election turnout is going to be the key thing.
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People that wouldn't normally vote need to be motivated to go vote.
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Yeah, you also mentioned a little bit about the the voting rolls and how the states are supposed to maintain the voting rolls, but it appears that that's not really being done.
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Um So the Department of Justice uh sued the State Election Commission, that would be uh Harme Dillon uh in her organization for the voter rolls and crickets after that.
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They uh ended up winning the suit, so the state election commission did need to hand over the list.
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The DOJ probably has it, um, but we don't know what the results are.
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Again, transparency is the biggest issue.
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What happened?
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The people want to know.
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I know for a fact that we have an inactive and an active list in the voter rolls, and all the computer company has to do is activate the inactive, put them on the voter rolls for a day, pick them out, vote the way you want, and then disappear them again into the inactive voter rolls, and that's something that you probably would never see.
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If everything happens inside of a computer, how can you do this?
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How can you follow up and make sure that our elections are true and fair?
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It seems to me they should be doing an audit of the voting rolls to make sure that everybody on there is a resident, and they're definitely a a member of that precinct.
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Uh and and they're they can they're qualified to vote.
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But I I don't think that's happening.
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Laura Shar and uh SC Safe Elections did a census in 2022 with a lot of volunteers, and they did find uh quite a bit of voters that were on the rolls that were you have to be able to spend the night at the at your residence, is the rule.
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So there were there were small businesses, there were P.O.
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boxes, there were a lot of dead people, there were people that were over the age of 100, 120.
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Uh it's full of junk.
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If they put in a name and have an address, they're able to vote that person, and we're not able to see the list.
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That's a big problem.
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Yeah, she actually toured the state, and I actually heard her talk about that at the South Strand Republican Woman's Club, and it was quite quite eye-opening.
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It's a the fraud was a lot more at a higher scale than I would have ever imagined.
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Now, we we did get uh voter ID for South Carolina, but that's not nationwide.
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I mean you can you can go to the poll in California and say, hi, I'm Mary Tyler Moore, you know, with your little mascara on and all that stuff.
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And they say, okay, here you go, you can vote.
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With no ID.
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You don't need an ID in in uh in California, but you do have to have an ID, a voter, uh regular uh ID in South Carolina.
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How many states now do you think require actual uh identification before you vote?
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Like a valid proof of citizenship.
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At least half.
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You're right.
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South Carolina does require a photo ID, and that's good.
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We're a little bit ahead of the the curve on you know when it comes to the big blue states, uh Illinois, California, Washington state, uh Massachusetts, New York, those all of those states don't require a photo ID or proof of citizenship.
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There's also a concern about what happens to the ballots after they leave the uh the voting area, you know, the precinct.
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Uh something about chain of custody, that we don't really have a good chain of custody process to make sure that uh irregular things don't happen to those ballots on the way to the main counting area.
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So if we had handmarked paper ballots that were not created electronically and recorded and stored electronically, I would care about chain of custody a whole lot more.
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What I know is that the the machines create the ballot and they read a barcode as you put it into the scanner when you're done voting and everything is collected electronically.
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So does it really matter where that ballot card goes?
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It's you know, it's important, I guess, to know, but it's not like a handmarked paper ballot where that is the original source of the information.
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The original source of the information and all the storing capacity is in computers, which we're not allowed to see.
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We don't know the source code.
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We know that the computers are connected to the internet, so they can move information around anytime they want, and nobody will know about it.
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Yeah, that was the issue of um maintaining chain of custody when the information is flowing through the Ethernet, you know.
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Ethernet, you know, how how do you know that the the right information is getting to the end user and that it hasn't been manipulated?
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So um the um also there's an issue with uh early voting, which I did this year.
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I'm an old fart, I'm almost 80 years old.
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I like to go to early voting, but it might be under the the misconsumption that I don't have to wait as long, but I did have to wait long.
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Um I I've always I've always done early voting.
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I used to work, I used to travel for a living, and uh there was always a chance that I wouldn't be able to be in uh South Carolina on the voting day, so I uh I voted early.
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Why does uh South Carolina Safe Elections oppose early voting?
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If you know the number of people that will vote in a precinct, and you're able to determine a ratio in early voting, who's gonna vote for this candidate and who's gonna vote for that candidate, there is an algorithm that you can create that will move or shave votes from the winning candidate to the losing candidate so that you can end up with a 5149 result.
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So bad actors do have the opportunity to gain important information through early voting that can allow them to manipulate the vote totals on election day.
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So, no, don't early vote if if you don't have to.
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If if it if it means you're not gonna vote, by all means early vote.
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Otherwise, do it on election day.
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And there's also an issue with uh the fact that the early voting stations are just like one within a particular uh area that may uh include uh maybe 10, 20 different precincts.
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So you lose the ability to control the voting process by precinct if you have early voting.
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That's a good point, Steve.
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You you know, we we gave away the education of our children by trusting the Department of Education to take care of them.
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Look where that got us.
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Definitely So the same is true here.
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If you give away the management of the most important thing that you have as an American citizen, which is your vote, well, you know, you kind of deserve what you get in that case, don't you?
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Definitely.
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Now, after this election is over with, um when we finally have all of the ballots cast, is the general public going to be able to watch the voting county, uh, the counting of the votes and all that, or are we gonna have uh our different representatives, our political party representatives, able to watch the counting of the of the votes?
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Um no, there they do have a hand count process where they're counting the electronically created cards that read a barcode for the result off the card.
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They're gonna uh do a kabuki theater, a dog and pony show at the county offices that will have the election boards rip pick out randomly a few of the ballot boxes, seven of them, I believe, and they'll hand count those.
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But it's uh yeah.
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So it's more like political theater.
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Just try to pacify the box.
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Yeah, pacify the low intelligent uh voter.
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Um there's a Steve.
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Compare that to counting handmarked paper ballots at the precinct.
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If you keep everything, all of your voters in the precinct, and the people like me and and others that are interested in in fair elections are there to count the ballots by hand because they're handmarked and they're numbered and they're uniquely identifiable.
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You have video cameras recording the entire process.
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You you're yelling out the number of your your vote for which candidate.
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So there's an audio record, there's a video record, everything is full and transparent and right in front of you.
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That's part of the gold standard election, which which we have put out information on.
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There's a manual that shows you exactly how to hand count.
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So, how long should it take for these votes to be counted and uh released to the public?
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You do have to scale it up.
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If you have a precinct that has 4,000 in it, you're gonna need to have probably four four-person teams to count that to get it done in 90 minutes.
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Okay, so uh if you're a Democrat, you usually say, well, voting is a right, and every citizen should be allowed the opportunity to vote.
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And if they can't make it to the polling station, they should be able to vote by mail.
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And have absolutely but yet wasn't that one of the main issues in um 2020?
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There was even a documentary put together by Dinesh Souza called uh what was it, 2,000 Mules or whatever?
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Yeah, that's right.
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Yeah.
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I mean that that definitely contributed to uh our lack of faith in the electoral processor in 2020, when you had thousands and thousands of uh absentee ballots, mail-in ballots show up, and who knows whether or not they were legitimate or not or not.
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Ballot harvesting is already illegal.
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We just don't enforce the laws, and that's the that's the fact on a lot of this stuff.
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We already have laws that talk about it and address it, but we don't enforce it.
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So we're not trying to prevent anybody from being able to go to the polls.
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If you're if you're out early and you can't get around, just do get your mail in ballot in time to be able to turn it in so that it counts for that election.
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Yeah, and they should not be scaffolded for that.
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They should not be counted if they arrive after uh late after the election day.
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And I understand SC Safe Elections does believe there should be absentee voting, but only on rare occasions and tightly controlled.
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So that's good.
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Yeah, you mentioned the gold standard.
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Uh South Carolina ha has a gold standard on how to keep our elections accurate and safe.
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And uh I guess it's built around uh six different principles, and that's one day voting, paper poll books, handmarked hand counted ballots, accounting at the precinct, full public visibility, and strict chain of custody rules.
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I think that would probably fix the majority of the issues that that that uh we've talked about today.
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I think it would too.
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We have uh we have a bill that's sitting on uh Senator Luke Rankin's desk right now.
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It's uh H 3628, it's the SAVE Act, and uh it passed through the House and now it's collecting dust on one of our senators' desks.
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Hey Larry, this is this is trip.
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Um Larry, what do you see is the biggest obstacle to uh having safe and uh fair elections in South Carolina?
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Well, you you first have to identify what the problem is.
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It's not it it is the Democrats, it is the Republicans, right?
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It's really the Uniparty, it's a it's the establishment, the people that are in place right now.
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I'm not saying they I'm not saying they were put in place, they were selected, but you know, it's a it's a question that I'm willing to ask.
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Uh do they have a reason to not want to create fair and safe elections because they earned office uh through illicit means?
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That's a question.
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I don't know.
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I concur with you.
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That is our greatest obstacle.
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We're at the uniporty.
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It is, yeah.
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But uh South Carolina does have two pieces of legislation before it.
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You mentioned one, H.
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3628, the SAVE Act, and another one, H.
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4513, Election Transparency and Accountability Act.
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Now, both of those pieces of legislation have corrective processes for every issue that was identified by SC Safe elections.
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That's the good news.
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So the legislation uh legislature is already working on it.
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You want to know the bad news?
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The bad news they've just been proposed, they haven't been passed.
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So it'll be up to the 2027 legislature to see if they're gonna pass that particular legislation that's direly needed.
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And I'm gonna have um Jordan Pace, the chairman of the South Carolina Legislative Freedom Caucus on my show in about two weeks from now.
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And I'm definitely gonna address this issue with with Jordan Pace.
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And then during the legislative session, I'm gonna have uh the bad Thomas uh the bad bill sheet.
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Thomas uh Jonathan Hill.
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Yeah, Jonathan Hill.
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Our good friend.
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I told you, uh I uh I I'm old and I have a little problem with CRS here.
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But yeah, Jonathan Hill.
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He'll be on my show probably in February.
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And again, we're gonna talk about this this legislation to see what the status of it is.
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Because I don't trust our legislatures in South Carolina.
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Do they represent we the people?
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No.
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They represent special interest groups and their own cronies.
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So we're definitely gonna keep some pressure on them.
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Steve, do you keep track of the Freedom Index voting scorecards?
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We certainly do.
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And you live in Ory County, so you know what the Freedom Index score is for all of your elected representatives.
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You want to tell us about that?
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Well, it's a way to track whether your legislators are passing laws that increase the size of your government, increase the spending, um, increase regulation, uh, cost you more money.
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They can actually put a dollar amount for each voter for some of the bills that they're passing.
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So a uh score of 100 on the Freedom Index means that you represent the people.
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You're keeping the costs low, you're reducing government regulation and government size.
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Uh Rob Harris is a great example of a representative that truly represents the people.
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And what what county is he from?
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He's in he's in Greenville, maybe Spartanburg.
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He's up in the upstate.
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Okay.
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To the right.
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But then again, in Oray County, every one of our elected representatives in in Columbia, South Carolina, has been graded F.
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They're in the uh the Freedom Index.
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Everyone.
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Yep.
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So they've got a.
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My guy is Case Britton, and his his score is uh 25, you know?
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Yeah.
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Do you remember who you voted for uh when Case was running for his uh his position?
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Well, he was the only Republican on the ticket, so it would have been him.
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Uh-huh.
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I I was the uh libertarian.
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Is that right?
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That's correct.
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Yeah.
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Yes, so uh South Carolina definitely has a a problem when it comes to uh limited government, individual and economic freedom, and that the Republicans when they come to talk about they come to the local neighborhoods and they talk about how great they are, how conservative they are, and they're there and they're gonna push for small government, and then they go back to to Colombia and just do just the opposite.
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Hey Larry, I uh one of the things I saw that was kind of missing in this this uh free and safe elections is uh I would like to see us get rid of straight party ticket voting.
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Uh what are your thoughts on that?
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I agree.
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Let's close the primaries.
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Uh you know, cross-party voting it shouldn't be allowed, and it doesn't even make sense.
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Yeah.
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Because uh a lot of that was I I had voters uh in that uh Britain election that wanted to vote for me, forgot, hit the red button, and then were told by the the poll workers that they couldn't reverse it, which is not uh true, but yeah.
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It's not, you're right.
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So d South Carolina definitely needs closed primaries, and it's been defeated every time it's been presented, and especially by the Republican Party, which makes you wonder why they would be against closed primaries?
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We I think we're not gonna be able to do that.
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Definitely.
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Well, Mr.
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Himes, thanks for being a guest on Conversations with the Hoff.
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The work being done by Larry Himes, Laura Shahr, and her crew at South Carolina Safe Elections is crucial to the survival of our Constitution Republic.
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Yes, I said that.
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When corruption or inaccuracies become systemic in the election process, citizens lose faith that elections don't really reflect their choices.
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Uh voter turnout drops sharply because people see voting as countless.
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I've heard all kinds of people say, why should I vote?
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It doesn't it it doesn't help.
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And uh if you look at the number of independents today, they far outnumber the number of registered Democrats and Republicans.
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Public trust and government collapses, creating a vacuum of authority.
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And this is a fundamental failure, and our republic cannot function if people believe that the election process is rigged.
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It's time for the state legislature and the U.S.
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Congress to take the necessary actions to restore citizens' faith in the electoral process.
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So thanks for listening today, and now a word from our glorious leader, the executive producer of Liberty Crack Media, Trip Detmering.
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I want to thank uh Larry Hines for being on with us today.
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Check out our show notes to connect to South uh SC Safeelections.org and check them out.
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Find out what you can do to support them and see if we can get free free elections and stay tuned next week for more.
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Hello, everybody.
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Today's episode is going to be about election integrity, and more specifically about the organization called South Carolina Safe Elections.
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Our guest today is Larry Hyams.
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He is a 30-year resident in South Carolina, owns a business in the Myrtle Beach area, and is the Ory County team leader for SC Safe Elections.
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Welcome to the show, Larry.
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Hi, Steve.
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Thanks for having me on.
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Yeah, I'd kind of like to start the program by asking you what got you interested in working with South Carolina Safe Elections.
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Well, like a lot of other people, I witnessed a uh federal election being stolen from the American people in 2020.
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And that was uh obviously very upsetting.
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And I've been blessed, I've been given much, and I feel like I need to give back.
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Uh this country needs to be uh taken back by the people, not by large government.
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So I believe the election results do not reflect the uh will of the American people right now.
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The globalist elites created and spread the COVID-19 virus to steal the United States 2020 presidential election.
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They created a situation where they forced mail-in ballots to every state that would take them.
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We went to bed on the evening of 2020 presidential election with President Trump comfortably comfortably in the lead when we woke up.
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Five of the big blue swing states had swung Biden's way.
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The deep state used January 6th to force the certification of an uncertifiable election result.
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Please keep that in mind going forward how important it is that the certification be done correctly.
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Every institution under deep state control went to work with the cover-up.
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The damage was done over the next four years was incalculable.
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I think American Americans should get involved in fixing our elections.
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The most important thing you can do as a U.S.
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citizen, you can have as a U.S.
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citizen is your vote.
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We don't have a country without borders and fair elections.
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Yeah, I noticed during the uh 2020 election there in the Philadelphia, where they had the cameras uh looking at the the elections office, and uh all of a sudden the the monitors, the Republican Party monitors, were kicked out of the office, and then they stood out and they looked through the windows, and the next thing you know, the curtains are drawn.
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So all the counting was done in secrecy.
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Uh there's nothing wrong about that, right?
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And then in the face, isn't it, Steve?
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Right.
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And then in and then Ori and then Fulton County in the Atlanta area, all of a sudden you see all of these briefcases being pulled out from underneath the tables and stuff, and then the curtains close.
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So nothing to see here, Steve.
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Right.
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Don't mind the man behind the curtain there.
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Uh also the same thing happened in Mariposa County, Arizona.
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All kinds of election irregularities, and the Republican candidate even sued Mariposa County because of the numerous irregularities.
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Unfortunately, I don't think anything's been done.
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So, really, that's why I think it's important that we talk about the issues that have been identified by South Carolina safe elections and what's being done about those issues.
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Now, you you have a definite heartache with the uh electronic voting machines.
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Can you talk a little bit about that?
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I do.
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I I know that I've never met a computer that couldn't be hacked.
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And uh if you give bad people the opportunity to do bad things and you've watched it happen year after year after year, I mean, common sense would tell you that they will flip elections in the computers.
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It's been proven.
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Um Cause of America has uh an election evidence uh website where you can go in and look at all of the transcripts from poll workers and different election-related employees that saw the fraud.
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It's all documented, but we have crooked judges and we have crooked media, it's not reported on and it's not followed up on.
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Everything just dies in the dark.
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So that's where the citizens have to come in and shed light on things.
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Get it, get it out in the public so everybody understands what happened, and that's what I'm trying to do.
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And I don't think that the average American citizen really understands the risks associated with those electronic voting machines.
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Uh on your website, uh SC uh Safeelections.org.elections.org, there's a there's a video on there where a lady has a really good uh audio about uh and video about the vulnerabilities and the risks associated with those uh electronic voting machines.
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I I I listened to it and I was amazed at how how how we ever came to actually buy those in the first place.
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They're easily manipulated, easily hacked, and uh somebody can definitely turn the results differently for an election.
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Yes, so the uh election machine companies all are in communication with each other.
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They they all know what they're doing.
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In November of 2019, the state election commission for South Carolina accepted a bid from election systems and software, otherwise known as ESNS, for$52 million.
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We bought a way to rig and steal elections for our beautiful state.
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Yeah, it seems like nobody is following the rules when it comes to election protocol.
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Even you even mentioned the South Carolina State Constitution talks about how elections are supposed to be run and we're not doing it.
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Can you talk about that a little bit?
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I sure can.
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Um Article 2 of the South Carolina Constitution is entitled The Right of Suffrage, and it consists of 11 sections.
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Um it says all elections by the people shall be by secret ballot, but the ballots shall not be counted in secret.
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Again, ballots are to be cast in private and counted in public.
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Our ballots are not counted in public.
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We don't get to see any detailed information about how the votes came in.
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The voting machine companies that the state of South Carolina picked, they withhold the cast vote records from us.
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We FOIA's them and we were rejected.
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All 50 states had their cast vote records requested, and half of the states approved it and half didn't.
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I got a letter from Alan Wilson's office that said, uh, no, we believe this has perfe personal information on it, and we we can't release it.
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That's not true.
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Alan Wilson, that's total BS.
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You heard it from the Hoff.
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We need transparency.
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Yeah, if our uh Constitutional Republic is going to survive, everything has to be transparent.
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That's my own opinion.
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Who runs this government?
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Who runs this state?
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We do.
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Uh progressive Republicans.
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Yeah, you have to wonder.
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Yeah, we're supposed to run the state.
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Old school Democrats that turned Republican.
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Yeah, there there you go.
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So let's start, and I know you you didn't want to focus entirely on this, but let's talk about some of the issues that have been identified by South Carolina safe elections.
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Number one, they talk about the oversized precincts, and that actually violates state law.
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What do you know about that?
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I know that it's a a fact that in the larger population areas they have more than 1,500 uh registered voters at precincts, and it's uh more difficult to manage.
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Uh, I know that in the mid-state right now, during early voting, they've got lines of 50 minutes for some precincts because they have greater than 4,000 voters in that in that precinct.
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So the size needs to be reduced.
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I did a nono on Tuesday where I voted in the early voting.
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And I went there Monday, the first day, and the line was all the way to the street.
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It must have been a couple hours of waiting there.
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So I went the second day and I I waited one hour to vote.
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Still long lines.
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But uh yeah, the it according to your organization, 40% of the precincts in South Carolina exceed the legal limit of 1,500 registered voters.
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Some precincts even have up to 6,000 voters.
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So long lines, delays, and uh logistic nightmare as far as how you do the handling of all the votes and the counting of the votes.
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Yeah, voters get frustrated when they have to wait in line and it discourages them from voting, which reduces turnout.
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And we know that this election turnout is going to be the key thing.
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People that wouldn't normally vote need to be motivated to go vote.
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Yeah, you also mentioned a little bit about the the voting rolls and how the states are supposed to maintain the voting rolls, but it appears that that's not really being done.
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Um So the Department of Justice uh sued the State Election Commission, that would be uh Harme Dillon uh in her organization for the voter rolls and crickets after that.
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They uh ended up winning the suit, so the state election commission did need to hand over the list.
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The DOJ probably has it, um, but we don't know what the results are.
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Again, transparency is the biggest issue.
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What happened?
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The people want to know.
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I know for a fact that we have an inactive and an active list in the voter rolls, and all the computer company has to do is activate the inactive, put them on the voter rolls for a day, pick them out, vote the way you want, and then disappear them again into the inactive voter rolls, and that's something that you probably would never see.
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If everything happens inside of a computer, how can you do this?
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How can you follow up and make sure that our elections are true and fair?
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It seems to me they should be doing an audit of the voting rolls to make sure that everybody on there is a resident, and they're definitely a a member of that precinct.
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Uh and and they're they can they're qualified to vote.
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But I I don't think that's happening.
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Laura Shar and uh SC Safe Elections did a census in 2022 with a lot of volunteers, and they did find uh quite a bit of voters that were on the rolls that were you have to be able to spend the night at the at your residence, is the rule.
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So there were there were small businesses, there were P.O.
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boxes, there were a lot of dead people, there were people that were over the age of 100, 120.
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Uh it's full of junk.
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If they put in a name and have an address, they're able to vote that person, and we're not able to see the list.
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That's a big problem.
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Yeah, she actually toured the state, and I actually heard her talk about that at the South Strand Republican Woman's Club, and it was quite quite eye-opening.
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It's a the fraud was a lot more at a higher scale than I would have ever imagined.
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Now, we we did get uh voter ID for South Carolina, but that's not nationwide.
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I mean you can you can go to the poll in California and say, hi, I'm Mary Tyler Moore, you know, with your little mascara on and all that stuff.
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And they say, okay, here you go, you can vote.
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With no ID.
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You don't need an ID in in uh in California, but you do have to have an ID, a voter, uh regular uh ID in South Carolina.
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How many states now do you think require actual uh identification before you vote?
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Like a valid proof of citizenship.
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At least half.
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You're right.
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South Carolina does require a photo ID, and that's good.
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We're a little bit ahead of the the curve on you know when it comes to the big blue states, uh Illinois, California, Washington state, uh Massachusetts, New York, those all of those states don't require a photo ID or proof of citizenship.
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There's also a concern about what happens to the ballots after they leave the uh the voting area, you know, the precinct.
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Uh something about chain of custody, that we don't really have a good chain of custody process to make sure that uh irregular things don't happen to those ballots on the way to the main counting area.
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So if we had handmarked paper ballots that were not created electronically and recorded and stored electronically, I would care about chain of custody a whole lot more.
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What I know is that the the machines create the ballot and they read a barcode as you put it into the scanner when you're done voting and everything is collected electronically.
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So does it really matter where that ballot card goes?
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It's you know, it's important, I guess, to know, but it's not like a handmarked paper ballot where that is the original source of the information.
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The original source of the information and all the storing capacity is in computers, which we're not allowed to see.
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We don't know the source code.
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We know that the computers are connected to the internet, so they can move information around anytime they want, and nobody will know about it.
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Yeah, that was the issue of um maintaining chain of custody when the information is flowing through the Ethernet, you know.
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Ethernet, you know, how how do you know that the the right information is getting to the end user and that it hasn't been manipulated?
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So um the um also there's an issue with uh early voting, which I did this year.
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I'm an old fart, I'm almost 80 years old.
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I like to go to early voting, but it might be under the the misconsumption that I don't have to wait as long, but I did have to wait long.
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Um I I've always I've always done early voting.
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I used to work, I used to travel for a living, and uh there was always a chance that I wouldn't be able to be in uh South Carolina on the voting day, so I uh I voted early.
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Why does uh South Carolina Safe Elections oppose early voting?
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If you know the number of people that will vote in a precinct, and you're able to determine a ratio in early voting, who's gonna vote for this candidate and who's gonna vote for that candidate, there is an algorithm that you can create that will move or shave votes from the winning candidate to the losing candidate so that you can end up with a 5149 result.
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So bad actors do have the opportunity to gain important information through early voting that can allow them to manipulate the vote totals on election day.
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So, no, don't early vote if if you don't have to.
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If if it if it means you're not gonna vote, by all means early vote.
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Otherwise, do it on election day.
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And there's also an issue with uh the fact that the early voting stations are just like one within a particular uh area that may uh include uh maybe 10, 20 different precincts.
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So you lose the ability to control the voting process by precinct if you have early voting.
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That's a good point, Steve.
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You you know, we we gave away the education of our children by trusting the Department of Education to take care of them.
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Look where that got us.
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Definitely So the same is true here.
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If you give away the management of the most important thing that you have as an American citizen, which is your vote, well, you know, you kind of deserve what you get in that case, don't you?
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Definitely.
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Now, after this election is over with, um when we finally have all of the ballots cast, is the general public going to be able to watch the voting county, uh, the counting of the votes and all that, or are we gonna have uh our different representatives, our political party representatives, able to watch the counting of the of the votes?
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Um no, there they do have a hand count process where they're counting the electronically created cards that read a barcode for the result off the card.
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They're gonna uh do a kabuki theater, a dog and pony show at the county offices that will have the election boards rip pick out randomly a few of the ballot boxes, seven of them, I believe, and they'll hand count those.
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But it's uh yeah.
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So it's more like political theater.
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Just try to pacify the box.
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Yeah, pacify the low intelligent uh voter.
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Um there's a Steve.
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Compare that to counting handmarked paper ballots at the precinct.
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If you keep everything, all of your voters in the precinct, and the people like me and and others that are interested in in fair elections are there to count the ballots by hand because they're handmarked and they're numbered and they're uniquely identifiable.
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You have video cameras recording the entire process.
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You you're yelling out the number of your your vote for which candidate.
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So there's an audio record, there's a video record, everything is full and transparent and right in front of you.
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That's part of the gold standard election, which which we have put out information on.
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There's a manual that shows you exactly how to hand count.
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So, how long should it take for these votes to be counted and uh released to the public?
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You do have to scale it up.
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If you have a precinct that has 4,000 in it, you're gonna need to have probably four four-person teams to count that to get it done in 90 minutes.
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Okay, so uh if you're a Democrat, you usually say, well, voting is a right, and every citizen should be allowed the opportunity to vote.
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And if they can't make it to the polling station, they should be able to vote by mail.
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And have absolutely but yet wasn't that one of the main issues in um 2020?
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There was even a documentary put together by Dinesh Souza called uh what was it, 2,000 Mules or whatever?
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Yeah, that's right.
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Yeah.
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I mean that that definitely contributed to uh our lack of faith in the electoral processor in 2020, when you had thousands and thousands of uh absentee ballots, mail-in ballots show up, and who knows whether or not they were legitimate or not or not.
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Ballot harvesting is already illegal.
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We just don't enforce the laws, and that's the that's the fact on a lot of this stuff.
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We already have laws that talk about it and address it, but we don't enforce it.
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So we're not trying to prevent anybody from being able to go to the polls.
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If you're if you're out early and you can't get around, just do get your mail in ballot in time to be able to turn it in so that it counts for that election.
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Yeah, and they should not be scaffolded for that.
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They should not be counted if they arrive after uh late after the election day.
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And I understand SC Safe Elections does believe there should be absentee voting, but only on rare occasions and tightly controlled.
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So that's good.
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Yeah, you mentioned the gold standard.
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Uh South Carolina ha has a gold standard on how to keep our elections accurate and safe.
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And uh I guess it's built around uh six different principles, and that's one day voting, paper poll books, handmarked hand counted ballots, accounting at the precinct, full public visibility, and strict chain of custody rules.
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I think that would probably fix the majority of the issues that that that uh we've talked about today.
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I think it would too.
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We have uh we have a bill that's sitting on uh Senator Luke Rankin's desk right now.
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It's uh H 3628, it's the SAVE Act, and uh it passed through the House and now it's collecting dust on one of our senators' desks.
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Hey Larry, this is this is trip.
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Um Larry, what do you see is the biggest obstacle to uh having safe and uh fair elections in South Carolina?
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Well, you you first have to identify what the problem is.
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It's not it it is the Democrats, it is the Republicans, right?
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It's really the Uniparty, it's a it's the establishment, the people that are in place right now.
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I'm not saying they I'm not saying they were put in place, they were selected, but you know, it's a it's a question that I'm willing to ask.
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Uh do they have a reason to not want to create fair and safe elections because they earned office uh through illicit means?
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That's a question.
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I don't know.
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I concur with you.
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That is our greatest obstacle.
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We're at the uniporty.
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It is, yeah.
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But uh South Carolina does have two pieces of legislation before it.
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You mentioned one, H.
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3628, the SAVE Act, and another one, H.
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4513, Election Transparency and Accountability Act.
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Now, both of those pieces of legislation have corrective processes for every issue that was identified by SC Safe elections.
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That's the good news.
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So the legislation uh legislature is already working on it.
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You want to know the bad news?
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The bad news they've just been proposed, they haven't been passed.
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So it'll be up to the 2027 legislature to see if they're gonna pass that particular legislation that's direly needed.
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And I'm gonna have um Jordan Pace, the chairman of the South Carolina Legislative Freedom Caucus on my show in about two weeks from now.
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And I'm definitely gonna address this issue with with Jordan Pace.
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And then during the legislative session, I'm gonna have uh the bad Thomas uh the bad bill sheet.
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Thomas uh Jonathan Hill.
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Yeah, Jonathan Hill.
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Our good friend.
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I told you, uh I uh I I'm old and I have a little problem with CRS here.
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But yeah, Jonathan Hill.
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He'll be on my show probably in February.
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And again, we're gonna talk about this this legislation to see what the status of it is.
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Because I don't trust our legislatures in South Carolina.
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Do they represent we the people?
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No.
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They represent special interest groups and their own cronies.
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So we're definitely gonna keep some pressure on them.
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Steve, do you keep track of the Freedom Index voting scorecards?
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We certainly do.
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And you live in Ory County, so you know what the Freedom Index score is for all of your elected representatives.
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You want to tell us about that?
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Well, it's a way to track whether your legislators are passing laws that increase the size of your government, increase the spending, um, increase regulation, uh, cost you more money.
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They can actually put a dollar amount for each voter for some of the bills that they're passing.
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So a uh score of 100 on the Freedom Index means that you represent the people.
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You're keeping the costs low, you're reducing government regulation and government size.
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Uh Rob Harris is a great example of a representative that truly represents the people.
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And what what county is he from?
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He's in he's in Greenville, maybe Spartanburg.
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He's up in the upstate.
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Okay.
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To the right.
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But then again, in Oray County, every one of our elected representatives in in Columbia, South Carolina, has been graded F.
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They're in the uh the Freedom Index.
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Everyone.
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Yep.
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So they've got a.
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My guy is Case Britton, and his his score is uh 25, you know?
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Yeah.
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Do you remember who you voted for uh when Case was running for his uh his position?
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Well, he was the only Republican on the ticket, so it would have been him.
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Uh-huh.
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I I was the uh libertarian.
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Is that right?
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That's correct.
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Yeah.
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Yes, so uh South Carolina definitely has a a problem when it comes to uh limited government, individual and economic freedom, and that the Republicans when they come to talk about they come to the local neighborhoods and they talk about how great they are, how conservative they are, and they're there and they're gonna push for small government, and then they go back to to Colombia and just do just the opposite.
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Hey Larry, I uh one of the things I saw that was kind of missing in this this uh free and safe elections is uh I would like to see us get rid of straight party ticket voting.
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Uh what are your thoughts on that?
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I agree.
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Let's close the primaries.
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Uh you know, cross-party voting it shouldn't be allowed, and it doesn't even make sense.
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Yeah.
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Because uh a lot of that was I I had voters uh in that uh Britain election that wanted to vote for me, forgot, hit the red button, and then were told by the the poll workers that they couldn't reverse it, which is not uh true, but yeah.
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It's not, you're right.
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So d South Carolina definitely needs closed primaries, and it's been defeated every time it's been presented, and especially by the Republican Party, which makes you wonder why they would be against closed primaries?
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We I think we're not gonna be able to do that.
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Definitely.
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Well, Mr.
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Himes, thanks for being a guest on Conversations with the Hoff.
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The work being done by Larry Himes, Laura Shahr, and her crew at South Carolina Safe Elections is crucial to the survival of our Constitution Republic.
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Yes, I said that.
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When corruption or inaccuracies become systemic in the election process, citizens lose faith that elections don't really reflect their choices.
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Uh voter turnout drops sharply because people see voting as countless.
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I've heard all kinds of people say, why should I vote?
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It doesn't it it doesn't help.
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And uh if you look at the number of independents today, they far outnumber the number of registered Democrats and Republicans.
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Public trust and government collapses, creating a vacuum of authority.
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And this is a fundamental failure, and our republic cannot function if people believe that the election process is rigged.
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It's time for the state legislature and the U.S.
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Congress to take the necessary actions to restore citizens' faith in the electoral process.
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So thanks for listening today, and now a word from our glorious leader, the executive producer of Liberty Crack Media, Trip Detmering.
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I want to thank uh Larry Hines for being on with us today.
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Check out our show notes to connect to South uh SC Safeelections.org and check them out.
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Find out what you can do to support them and see if we can get free free elections and stay tuned next week for more.
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