ABOUT THIS EPISODE
John D'Agostino is Head of Strategy for Coinbase Institutional, where he works with the big institutions coming into crypto. Before that, as Head of Strategy at NYMEX, he led the launch of the Dubai Mercantile Exchange, a story so wild it became Ben Mezrich's bestseller Rigged.
What does Coinbase see coming that the rest of the market doesn't? We discuss the hidden signals that tell him crypto is healthier than it looks, why the Middle East is quietly becoming crypto's new capital, how sovereign wealth funds are really buying Bitcoin, why your stocks are about to trade 24/7 on-chain, what it was like inside Coinbase when Gensler's SEC cut them off, why public opinion matters more than any bill in Washington, how a boring Bitcoin could change the world, what meme coins and Hyperliquid proved about the future of markets, and why he thinks one exchange will soon trade everything.
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(00:00) Intro (00:35) What Coinbase Sees That You Don't (03:32) Why Crypto Is Moving to Abu Dhabi (05:27) Building the Middle East's First Exchange (06:35) The Middle East's Money Shift (09:26) How Nations Are Buying Bitcoin (10:52) The Gold Souq Moment (12:15) The Story Behind Rigged (13:18) Your Stocks Are Going On-Chain (18:09) Who Really Owns Tokenized Stocks? (19:23) When Stocks Escape to DeFi (21:52) Sponsored by Kraken (23:04) Why Wall Street Moves So Slow (25:25) Lessons From Polychain (29:36) Brian Armstrong's Biggest Bet (31:29) When the SEC Cut Off Coinbase (35:06) Answering Crypto's Biggest Critics (37:10) Why Public Opinion Beats Washington (39:34) Will Prices Go Up? (40:50) How a Boring Bitcoin Changes the World (43:56) The Exchange of the Future (45:09) What Meme Coins Proved (47:48) Hyperliquid vs. Coinbase (49:36) One Exchange for Everything
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