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Are you a school leader striving for excellence?
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Do you crave actionable strategies and fresh perspectives to navigate
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the challenges of education today?
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Get ready to take charge.
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This is Control Shift Lead, giving you something to control,
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something to shift your thinking, and something concrete to help
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you lead your school.
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With Jim Witchman of Inspired.
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Edification and Adam Bush of AWB Education, your journey to
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empowered leadership starts now.
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Welcome back to Control Shift Lead podcast, where we give
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educators like you real, actionable information you can use as
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early as tomorrow. I'm Jim Witchman from Inspired Edification. I'm
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joined as always with my co host, the mister Adam
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Bush from ADWB Education. Hey Adam, how are you doing?
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Uh?
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Great?
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Now?
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I don't know if my head will get back out
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of the door after you just gave me that sucker,
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But that's impressive. You've been playing out and for the
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price since last month.
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I actually, you know, as you know, thinking about doing
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podcasts and everything, and everybody talks about having the time
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to do it or not, but they believe in it. Well,
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when I've got a co host like you, Adam Bush,
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it just makes things, just life a lot easier.
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Today.
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I appreciate it.
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Man.
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What have you been up to this last month?
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I'll tell you what. Just you know, we're already just
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winding the year down. It's crazy. It seems like you
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blink and another day has passed, and just trying to
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kind of get to that that hump that we all feel,
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you know, sometimes it's the low hump of the year,
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but it's it's coming, And just trying to get our
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staff through that and get everybody rocking and rolling so
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we can lead right into the holidays. But how about you,
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I tell you what.
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I've been to a lot of places that have been blessed,
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from Virginia, West Virginia, California, Illinois, Minnesota, and just got
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back from the Arkansas, which I gotta tell you, no
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offense to our guest here today, but that's one of
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the coolest middle schools I've been to. But we're gonna
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get to We're gonna talk about Lakery's middle School here too,
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and a little bit here.
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Yeah, speaking of our guests before you introduce him, though,
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I got to mention something. I know you'll do the
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formal introduction here, but as we were planning for this show,
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it's something just dawned on me. This is the first
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time that we're gonna have a guest that shares a
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name with one of us. So this is a problem
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for me. I'm trying to figure this out, Like do
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I have to give you a nickname? Are you like
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you know J Dubbs or like I don't know, or
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just witch men or what this is? But this is
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gonna cause some work tonight. I mean to get through this.
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I can help you out with this. One of the
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activities I do to force people to get to know
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each other a little better and nothing like an ice breakaway,
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but just kind of like who are we? So I say,
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introduce yourself as a nickname you had in elementary school,
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high school, college, or whatever the case is, but don't
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tell the story, so the stories come out after words.
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I can launch it so forth. So I'll give you
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three nicknames I've had over the years, all appropriate. Einstein
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was my elementary one. Witchy isn't easy, it's easy to explain,
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and then Ditchman is another one. Ditchman, So you've got Einstein, Witchie,
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or Ditchman. You can come up with either one any
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of those.
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Well, I'm just hoping that Einstein wasn't like a shot
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from friends, you know, like you know, if I'm a
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bigger guy, if somebody calls me tiny, you know, it's
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not one of those type of things. But I hope.
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Actually it goes down to when my hair grows, it
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grows out. And so a sixth grader when I was
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in third grade is sixth grader. So my wild hair
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blowing around, he called me Einstein. Yeah, that's a better reason.
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That's better than what I was coming up with. So
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you got you go ahead, you call whatever. We got
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a guess that's gonna roll with it. Heck, he's laughing already,
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and I gotta tell you before I introduce him, we
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got something big because this guy can bring the energy
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and he definitely brings the laughter. So when you're talking
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about going into December, he's the guy. He's the guy
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that we need for this right now. So yeah, so hey,
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speaking of joining us in this episode is mister Jim Dutrow.
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Jim is a middle school principal in Prince William County
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Schools at Lake Ridge Middle School, where nobody, I mean
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nobody has a building with the most beautiful artwork, the paintings,
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the murals, everything is flat out amazing. Hey, welcome Jim
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to control shift lead.
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All right, welcome down.
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And we've added to the murals since the last time
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you've been. So we're gonna have to get to back out.
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My good I'll be I'll be back out. I'm not
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sure where there. Yeah, you talk about My favorite one
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is the one, not the one in the gym, but
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the one above the threshold.
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Tell Adam to tell us this details here. This is good.
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It's just wolf eyes looking at you, making sure that
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you're going to class on time, ready to learn. Yeah,
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they're just just hurry at you. They're scary. Yeah, they're
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meant to be.
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That's good.
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That's kids.
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I've got to I've been working. I started coaching out
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of Prince William I think it was twenty eighteen nineteen
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somewhere right. It was before COVID, right before COVID, I
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know that. And so I got the opportunity to see
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Jim and his leadership skills and how he's he navigates
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not only just like through the trickiness of COVID, but
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really just how he builds his staff. And he's one
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of those leaders that slow and steady and subtle but
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yet there's clear lines all the way through for student
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behavior and the adult behavior as well. Awesome, it's not utopia,
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but that school has really got it going on. And
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I got to say he's got one of the best
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assistant principles ever, multiple assistant principles. But Michelle knows who
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I'm talking about. That's good. I got a great staff.
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Not gonna lie.
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I uh yeah, we have a We have an amazing
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staff which makes me live good sometimes.
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Turn right, turn right. That's good.
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Well, welcome to the control shift, Lead Jimmy, and we're
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gonna get going and talking about your things that we
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can control. That you got to offer us things that
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maybe can shift our thinking a little bit, and then
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how we can with some leadership tips we could have.
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So right, if we take a break, we're gonna jump
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right into what you can help us with what we
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can control.
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All right, welcome back. So, whichmand that opening segment really
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just hit home? I mean December right here, we feel
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like we're just sometimes running a Maria. I kind of
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felt like I was following you through that marathon right
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there as we're getting into the break. But it's also
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a great time for us to have some opportunities to
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connect with people, and Jim, that's the part that brings
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us right into our first segment, and that is control.
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So this month we want to talk about being like
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mentally present, and you're talking about like celebrating the arts
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programming in the school and all of that wonderful stuff. So, Jim,
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at Lakeridge Middle School, you've clearly made visibility at these
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events a priority, as we've talked about getting ready for
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the show today. So how do you do that? How
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do you ensure that you're truly present? Your leadership team
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isn't just there checking a box during these moments.
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Sure, I think I think you said it perfectly, be present,
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And I think we always have administrators at our performances,
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holiday programs, holiday music and even at times where if
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I can't be there, And this is one of the
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things I love about my admin team. We are getting
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videos from the performances, but we partner with our local
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high school, Woodbridge High School, home of the Vikings went
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to Woodbridge.
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Nice shout out there all the schools I work at,
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and so like partnering with them for some of those
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performances where.
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You know, it's a great way for our kids to
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see kind of that next level of work that they'll
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see in high school. And for us as administrators, I
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get to see our former students performing like awesome. I mean,
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it is such a joy to be able to see
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how far our kids have gone from sixth grade through
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eighth grade and then to get to see them again
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perform ninth, tenth, eleventh, and even twelfth grade. And so
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I think that is a great way for you to
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build community within your school, build community within the arts
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programs for your school. And so that is something that
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I've definitely we've tried to control. We set those schedules
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up pretty much like a year in advance to make
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sure that we can get space in the high school
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on certain days, and so I think being present for
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those performances is definitely something that we can control as
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leaders and making sure our admin team is there that
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sixth grade AP is in that sixth grade performance, seventh
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grade AP is up grade performance, and just building those
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relationships with our kids, with our families, they see us there,
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and so I think that's very important.
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Yeah, you hear you talking about really taking the emotions
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of I'm running out of energy, but then building it
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back up because we know that if you would have
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any of your elementary feeder system teachers come into this school,
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they walk down the hallways and the kids at the
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middle school are going to swamp them. Same concept when
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the high school kids come in. And so now you're
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taking this energy that's draining and now we're like getting
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it back up to we have a community that's bigger
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than Lake Ridge Middle School. We're bringing in the vikings,
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the Woodbridge High School vikings, and then just kind of
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partnering within that. And I love that how you said that.
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And then along with that is it's not just about
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being physically present, it's about being mentally present with the
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kids and the families. And now we really do have
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a community.
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if you think about that, that gives you that opportunity
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to really see the whole child. We talk about that
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all the time. But it's not just all because I
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was your third grade teacher or I was your you know,
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elementary principle that I only care about you during that time, no, no, no, no,
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I care about you from start to finish to life
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to everything else really gives you that opportunity to do that,
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and you know, Jim, is your bringing that up, it
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just brings back a memory. I remember a few years
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back when I was at a concert and happened to
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just run into the kid in the hallway, which for
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me now is a little bit more difficult from the
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district office administrator role. You know, I just don't see
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kids as often as further detached, but happen to see
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a kid, I recognize them, like, hey, a nice job
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at the concert last night, and they stopped real quickly.
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You were there, well, yeah, yeah, you know, and it
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was it was just a little moment, a little moment,
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but that that's a good moment. And just by taking
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that opportunity, I would never be able to have that
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conversation had I not been there in the first place.
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Hey, Jim, go ahead, Hey Jim, do you talk about
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an experience maybe that you had in the one of
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the concerts or one of the kids, or the moment
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of just seeing them perform. And I think, like Adam says,
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is if we see him in the whole child versus
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that kid who maybe is struggling a little bit through
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the day or pushing the buttons of teachers, just talk
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about some of those experiences you had.
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I think one of my favorite experiences is I will
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usually go out or whichever administrators there will go out
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and do a little introduction and then being behind the curtain.
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It's kind of that stage. We don't normally get backstage passes.
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I'm not I'm not at a concert getting backstage passes,
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but I'll tell you what. At Woodbridgs High School for
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the orchestra concert, I get a backstage pass. And so
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getting to see our kids perform, getting to see our
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teachers on that stage and how they command that entire
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audience at a in a high school venue is just
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it's an amazing experience and it's something that I think
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only as an administrator you really feel how great that is.
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school students, it's even better because you get to see
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that growth and our kids love it, our teachers love it,
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said there, Jim. So you you mentioned about saying something
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like are you starting the concert or giving an introduction
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I can think of the many years I've been doing this.
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and yeah, I've always says reading, I do podcasting. I've
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got a voice for it, probably have a face for
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radio two. But you know, I knew you guys say that. Yeah,
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because that's true. I mean, it is what it is.
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I can own that. But what it makes me think
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of is why not? Because that's a great opportunity for visibility.
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there's that guy up there, there's that gual up there.
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She cares about my kid that's on this stage, putting
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all of that time and effort and energy to perform
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and show their talents.
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What an easy way.
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I don't know why we don't do that more often,
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Like Jim, serious, this is like why haven't we done that?
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when ministries don't know how to do that, they start
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talking about things that aren't really valid and important. So
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if you keep it tight and then you can do
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some amazing things Like you're standing up there, you're looking
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at the parents, You're like connecting with them. That ways, well,
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of alluded to a little bit, is when you are backstage,
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you see the nerves and you see the excitement. This
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is a big the pride of all those kids and
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they're coming off backstage, Adam, I saw it in show choir,
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and I saw it when I was a principal at
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Prairidge Middle School. It is so powerful and it's like, gosh,
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there's purpose right there.
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get to you know, you're going to watch a baseball game.
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If the coach was okay with it, I suppose by
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going to watch a baseball game, go sit on the
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end of the bench. Let's go sit down there for
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a little bit. If you can. Why not see kids
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in action? See this?
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I love that idea. That's a great administrator. But not
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as a parent.
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might be a little different, but yeah, darn right. If
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you're a principal of that build, it doesn't.
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Why not? Why not?
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It shows that you care about them, not just because
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they're in the classroom at that one moment in time.
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They're the whole child.
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Now Jim, I know you guys do announcements and you're
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you're out and about in the hallways with kids, and
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so tell us a little bit about the connection of
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the day after a performance in December.
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Sure, I think it's it's talking to the kids and saying, hey,
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great job last night, making sure that they know that
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you appreciate what they do. Another thing that we do
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in our hallways again, another thing that we can control
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as we get closer to the end of December and
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getting closer to winter break. Our kids perform in the building,
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whether it is in our mixing bowl which is kind
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of our open area, our cafeteria. We will have different
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groups perform nice for the student body in the morning
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as they're getting ready to go to first period. And
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we've even had faculty come in and perform with them,
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and not just the music teachers. And so what a
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great way to find out that, hey, that that English
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teacher that you have that's down the hallway. Yeah, they
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also play guitar, the wow Dure and that's played that
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played trumpet all their life and now they get an
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opportunity to perform with kids. They make connection with the
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kids that they may not even have or ever have,
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and you're now again building some worknnections within your building
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between students and adults. Well at the same time having
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a great time. And yeah, for that end of December timeframe,
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what instrument do you play with him?
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Jim?
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I play the stand there and clip.
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An instrument that works. Yeah, Adam, Adam, what do you play?
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Adam? I hate to say this because I have not
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touched in a long time, but you know I was.
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I was blessed enough to be an all state trombonist
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back in the day.
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I thought you had something to be your sleeve.
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Yeah, yeah, I do. I do. It's been a long time,
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but tell you what, Jim, this was a great start
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for control. I mean, I'm getting all excited, and usually
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that's Witchman's job during this podcast is to get all
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that energy coming out. So you've got me going already.
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This is awesome. I can I just can't wait and
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see what we still got coming. So yeah, stay with
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us for a little bit. We're gonna take a quick
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break so we can pay some bills, and when we
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get back, we will shift our focus to shift as
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we talk about some things. I can really shift your
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thinking about some staff and students recharge things that we
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can do in the month of December. So hang on,
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everybody will be right back here.
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In just a second.
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Welcome back to control Shift lead everyone. Before the break,
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Jim talked about what we can control right now in
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our celebrations and actually the emotional ties that come with
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it for not just the students but also the adults.
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The shift we're going to discuss this month is moving
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from simply surviving until break to actively ensuring our staff
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have energy going into break so that when they are
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at break, they have the energy to really enjoy their families.
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The concept concept, but we love it.
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Screw that up somehow, and I don't understand it. It's
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it's like, this is our time to celebrate, right Well,
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here's the good news is Adam, our main man, Jimmy
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here is going to take us through.
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Jim help us shift our thinking a little bit here. Sure,
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I think that's a huge thing. I think too many
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times end of the year, coming up on breaks, it's
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always how many how many Dayst'll break? How what do
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I gotta get through?
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It's like, yeah, thirteen to fifteen, Yeah, we're.
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Going to count him down right absolutely, And so really
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we try to as much as we can build the
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momentum to break, give our staff our students things to
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look forward to leading into break, so that one truancy
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is an issue across our chronic apps and teeism is
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a nationwide issue post COVID, and so we are always
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trying to find ways to make sure our kids want
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to be in school. Same thing with our staff. Yeah,
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we found our staff sometimes struggle with chronic absenteeism. And
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so one of the things that we have done the
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last couple of years is and I'm wearing my sweatshirt today.
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We have some swag giveaways every week, usually on days
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where we've got a lot of teachers out and the
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one caveat to that is must be present to win,
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to win, And so this sweatshirt and Jim has one,
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which man has one?
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I should have wore it today?
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Yes, yeah, to get one out to you. So we'll
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make sure we get one out to you. It is
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the most shirt you've ever worn in your entire life.
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I don't know what you need. It's great and our
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staff loves it. Like we call it the Wheel of Names.
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So every usually it's on Fridays, but not always on Fridays,
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we spend the wheel set number of names come up,
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but you have to be present to win, and our
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absenteeism for staff has gone down since we've since we've
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started this, and so you know, perfect example, I was
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in Indianapolis a little bit ago for a conference, presenting
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at a conference and I couldn't do the Wheel of
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Names on that Friday, and the amount of text that
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I got on age, I was like, We're going to
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do it on Monday, which everything's going to be fine.
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Sweatshirts are going out. But you know, our staff has
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really gotten into it and it's it's something that they
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look forward to, and so you know, that's something My
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goal was to have all of them out by winter break,
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and we started this at the beginning of the year.
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So that's something that we love to do. Just fun activities,
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giveaways for stuff.
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What a great way because I know that, you know,
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Gene Day used to be that kind of like a
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cupon for Gen Day or things like that, and we
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kind of had to evolve a little bit and I
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did something similar. I didn't have the coolest white shirts
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or anything like that, but I remember giving away like
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a dinner for two and that got a lot of cheers,
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so did everything else, like a pencil. I mean, I
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was giving away all these things and they all get
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equal cheers. I think it's just shaking it up a
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little bit throughout the mundane part of it.
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Well, and I think to which when you're talking about, yeah,
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it's giving away, that's good. You know, people like swag,
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they like all that stuff. That's great, But it's also
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just think about the camaraderie that happens during the moment.
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That's really what people are getting to, right, It's that. Yeah,
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it's kind of like when we you know, I was
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always talking about with coaching, where you'd hide conditioning, right,
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I need people to condition. They don't like to condition
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by hide it in other things and people they just
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get into it, they have fun. Well, it's the same thing.
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Really.
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The goal you're trying to do is get that ownership
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piece with the school and wanting to be there and
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that desire to be there. You just got to hide
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it within some giveaways or which I think that's an
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awesome idea by the way, but again it's you know,
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it's kind of might have a different purpose and if
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we just say it, does that really you know the
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we need you here at school. E. I don't know
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I was gonna do a whole lot, but having something
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we do as a team like that is gonna that's
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just gonna have a bigger impact on I think that's
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a great idea.
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What's the feedback you've been getting from that, Jimmy?
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I love it. And I think you see more and
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more sweatshirts throughout the year as more and more people
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win them. And so again there's that you talk about,
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that camaraderie of yep, we've got them, and they all
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know they're eventually gonna get them. That's the other piece
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I think is important. They know that they're going to
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get it at some point, and it's just kind of
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the bracking rates before if you get it early versus
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later on in the year.
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So I know some of the staff members, now are
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they when they win, are they like strutting around a
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little bit, or are they just yeah.
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Oh yeah, that would be there higher staff got it?
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I like that. So, Adam, I think I might have
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picked up on one of your each each week or
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each month, I try to grab an atomism along the way.
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I've never heard of hide conditioning or hide pride or
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you're kind of like you're being savvy with it, but
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it but it just kind of makes it more of
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a natural. So often we do things like an icebreaker.
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Nobody likes icebreakers, but we do them. However, you could
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do the same thing, and if there's intention into it,
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no longer it is to become an icebreaker. It becomes
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like something with purpose. And what I what I think
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about it is when we do things to check it
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off and think it's going to change the world, we
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really miss everything. So if if the email you talked about,
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if Jim would have sent out an email to Lake
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Ride staff, that not only would it drowned out the
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we're not going to really okay whatever, but all emails
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from him Yep, outside of this time of the year,
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it would drown it out too and have that. So
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now we're like making it a like purposeful. So it's
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not just about winning a sweatshirt, or's just about being present.
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It's like we're a wolf pack. I mean, man, I
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gotta tell you what's your what's your? What's the phrase
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at the end you guys have with the wolf pack
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hashtag pack mentality, pac mentality, that's it. That's it is.
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I love that you're getting people out of the classrooms.
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You're getting everybody out there together to celebrate the fact
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that we're together. I mean, that's really what it boils
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down to. That's that's awesome pack mentality.
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I love that. I love that.
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And speaking of getting staff out, another thing that we
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do usually that last week before break, we call it
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snowflake in your pocket, and so we high not eight
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snowflakes throughout to us to eight staff members each morning,
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and so they put it in their pocket. Every staff
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member can then say, do you have a snowflake in
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your pocket? If you do, you have to give it
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to whoever asked. This goes on all day until two fifty,
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and at two point fifty, which is the end of
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our day, whoever has those eight snowflakes in their pocket
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again get some type of price. And so our staff
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like fun. You know, oftentimes your teachers, you know, they
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hang out with their math people, they hang out with
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their language artspeoper, they're science there. They don't necessarily com
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mingle throughout the building. You're giving them a reason to
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com mingle super into it. They want to be there
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those days again, it's getting your staff present for present
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in the building and a great story I have for
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this because and Jim will tell you, I'm probably one
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of the most competitive people you'll ever meet. Like I'm
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gonna win. I already have everything that we're gonna win.
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I don't even care about getting anything new.
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I want to win.
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And so I had a meeting one day during the
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snowflake in your pocket. I had gotten a snowflake right
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before the meeting. So I'm like, this is perfect. I'm
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going in my office. I'm putting the show. Everybody's getting
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my snowflake. Staff member comes to my office slides a
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piece of paper under the door. I love it.
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Lay snowflake in your pocket.
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I have to give up my snip flake underneath the.
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Door or I opened the door handed.
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And I was very angry for the rest.
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Of the meeting.
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That is hilarious, even though what the meeting is about
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or were you just mad?
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I was just mad. I was angry. Who is it?
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I gotta tell you next time. That's a I don't
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need to know the name, but that's brilliant. Yeah, and
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I gotta tell you that story that you just said
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right there, probably got song.
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I mean, people were probably talking about that for a while.
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And so when they're talking about something like that, they're
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not talking about that kid, that parent, that principle, that's you,
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that board member, that legislator, that governor, that that that
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that that they're talking about a time when we laughed.
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We're talking about the time when I got the principal.
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They're talking about that time when we came together. And
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that's the memories we want going into break. Hey, I
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got to tell you this is a perfect, perfect shift
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in our mindset. Give them the energy, shake it up
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a little bit. We're going to take a break here,
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and when we come back, our guest Jim is going
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to talk to us a little bit about a lead
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segment of our control shift.
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Lead.
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Stick with us everyone.
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Hi, I'm doctor Lisa Hill, a longtime educator of nearly
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forty years as a teacher, counselor, professor, and vice principal.
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And I've seen just about everything public schools can throw
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at you, and now I'm sharing my tales on my
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comedy podcast, Vice Principle Unofficed. It's where school leadership meets
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laugh out loud stories from underwear required parent teacher conferences.
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Yes really, two staff launch confessions and more. You won't believe.
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I'm telling it all with humor and a whole lot
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of heart. I also tackle the serious stuff too, like
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what schools really need to change and those behind the
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scenes moments no one talks about. So if you're ready
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to laugh, learn, and maybe even prior little but mostly laugh,
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join me and my ninety year old mom my unofficial
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weekly on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your
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podcast picks. Trust me, this is one detention you'll actually
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look forward to.
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All right, welcome back everybody. The final segment, of course,
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is Lead and Jim. Just to let you know, this
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is where we typically we discuss like the system, structures,
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cultural moves, any of that other stuff that we can
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do that's going to help lead your classroom or lead
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your school, lead your building. There's a lot of people
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that are involved, obviously in educating our youth every single day.
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So I think we're planning on talking a little bit
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about here. Talked about the energy into the break, We've
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talked about being visible and all that wonderful stuff that's
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going on. But we also know that this is also
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a time of year where people struggle a little bit
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and there's there's just a lot of that that goes on.
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It's our parents, our families, staff, students. Holidays can make
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things kind of tough. And Jim, I know your school
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has prioritized some tangible support systems that can really help
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people during this time. So can you can you walk
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us through how your leadership team organizes that stuff and
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what this is and some of those ideas that we
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also can take back to our schools to help lead
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our communities.
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Through this time. Absolutely, and we are we're close to Washington, DC,
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so the government shut down like that's real for us.
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And so there's several things that we have done this year,
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several things we've done every year to really help our
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families are struggling. One of the of things we started
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this year is a food pantry for our community. There
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are ten schools in our division that are piloting these
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food pantries.
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Are apparent liaison and school social worker.
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I have done a tremendous job with making sure that
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our food pantry is stocked, getting the information out to
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our families that are in need. And so that is
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something that I'm really proud of of being able to
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help our families in need, not just during the holidays.
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This is something that's going to be open year round.
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Our National Junior Honor Society, they just had their induction
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a month or so ago, and so their first thing
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was a food drive. The students were able to They
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have to do community service hours, and so for ten
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cans of food, ten items, they get an hour of service.
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And so our students buy into it, our families have
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bought into it, and so that has been something that's
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been really great for us. It's going to be something
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throughout the year.
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So I sit here and I think about this as
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just as you're kind of going through it today. We
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talked about like the students first, you know, with the
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with the what we could control the celebration. Then we
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started talking about the staff and the celebrations you're doing
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to kind of shift our thinking about how we want
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our staff going in to break. But now you're bringing
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a full circle. We're talking about how you guys are
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pouring into the community. And I got to tell you,
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you know, Christmas was a very hard time for me
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growing up because we didn't have any money. We didn't
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do We just didn't. And when we got that knock
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on the door and you open up the door and
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there was a box of food, it was like we
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had We were able to have a feast for Thanksgiving,
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we were able to have a feast for Christmas. And
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without that, I don't know if we would have been
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able to do so. At least it wouldn't have been
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to that level. And when I know that people really
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can see everybody and we're not judging it, we're not
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saying anything about it's the poor people. We're taken care
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of at all. Now, it's like humans were taken care of.
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And it's so powerful that you I really do believe,
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And I'm a middle school person at heart. I believe
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the hearts of middle school kids. When they get behind
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something and they can really see the purpose of it,
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they get crazy, They get right after it, and they
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pour right into it, very intentional.
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The other part about that, Jim, I really like is
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that you know a lot of times communities like the
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town might take up that exact thing you're talking about.
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But what you're saying is maybe it's great, maybe it's not.
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I don't know. You're not gonna you're not going to
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take that risk. The district to the school building is
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saying no, no, no, no, no. We see this as something
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very important, so we want to make sure that it's
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done the right way. We want to make sure that
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our families are taken care of. You know, I've heard
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some other schools that will do and we've done this
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actually in some of the offices that I've worked in
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in the past. You know where you trade gifts back
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and forth. I mean, I love the people I work with.
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I don't need a Christmas gift from them. I don't
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write they don't need one from me. But there's a
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lot of kids out there that could certainly under stand
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a clause this year, and so instead of doing the
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little trade things, go in on a package that you
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can do that that delivery to the door like you
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talk about there. But really the point is what I'm
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hearing you say is that you want to get it done.
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So you make sure it gets done and take care
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of that thing that's going to be able to serve
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your community. And I think that's really admirable because it'd
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be really easy just to say, well that's the town
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will do that, or here's where you can go go
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down here. No, We're going to make sure you've got it.
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That's important to us. That's that's really cool.
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And speaking of your you know, there are some families
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that would really need Santa or need gifts around this time.
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We also do an Angel Tree that our school worker
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works with local churches with our staff. And I will
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say I never owned a pair of Jordans. I never
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bought a pair of Jordans until a couple of years ago.
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There was an Angel Tree gifts and it was a
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student that I knew, and his his request was Jordan's
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and so I have purchased one pair of Jordans in
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my life. Uh. And it was for that student, and
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I know I know how much that meant to him,
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know how much all of the gifts that and our
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are our staff is so generous, uh. And so we're
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able to support multiple families and just being like you said,
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being able to know that we're providing some things that
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that may not have been provided otherwise. It is it's
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what community is about, it's what a school is about.
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And so I think that that Angel Tree and then
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also providing food support for whether it's Thanksgiving where there
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it's a holiday meal over Christmas. Just being able to
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support our families that are in that are in need
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is awesome.
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Yeah.
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I remember getting those gifts and it was very homely
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because I hated people doing those things for me. But
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as I gotten older, I see how valuable and important
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it was for me, and it just there's something about
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a nice pair of jeans, or a nice shirt or
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the Jordan's which I can't believe that with your kids,
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that that's the first pair you bought, but I could
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be I could also see you being stubborn enough that
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that could be true. Ali probably bought them. But seeing that,
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what I love about that is you knew that kid,
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that student, that middle school soul who entered your building,
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and you saw them as a human first and thought,
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this is my target. I got to help this kid out.
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You went through each of the segments today, and each
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one of them talked about the human. It wasn't necessarily
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about the test scores or anything else. That was about
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the human seeing them first. And I think that really
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says a testament to your leadership. And I think it
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also says a testament to the folks at lake Bridge
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Middle School. For sure, that's true pac mentality right there.
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Absolutely.
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So we're gonna head into our final break here and
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we come back, we're gonna kind of summarize everything along
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the way. Hopefully we're walking away with a little bit
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more energy coming into the winter break here and kind
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of wrapping things up. So thanks a lot and stick
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with us everyone.
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All right, here we go back for our last segment
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here in Jim, this has been awesome. I really think
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thank you for joining us today and giving us some
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great advice for everybody to take take from this show
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and help lead their buildings every single day. It's just awesome, great,
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great stuff. All right. So before we get to our
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final little talk here with Jim and wrap this show
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up today, Jim Witchman, how about you give us a
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quick recap of what we've talked about today. Yeah.
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I thought this is really great though when I hear
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the think of the control shift lead and how Jim
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I kind of let us through each of the segments
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and that is again he talked about the students and
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so it's about be present mentally and physically. I love
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how he brings in the alumni and how they can
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reconnect so we can see the family, right, It's greater
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than one place, Lake Ridge Middle School. It's like a
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system all the way through, and then we're seeing the
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whole child because we're not going to just celebrate him
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at the night of the concerts. We're going to have
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them perform again throughout the day. And I love the
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fact that we're getting staff involved with that. So I
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really think that that control is that we could schedule
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it out, we can really get involved with that, which
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led right into the shift part about you know, we're
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looking at the staff and we're no longer I think
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you mentioned on break there about we're no longer ripping
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off the hoops and talking about countdown. We're talking about
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how do we shake things up and really keep people
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engaged all the way through. It's like finishing strong and sure,
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we're going to have fun doing it. Why are we
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doing that throughout the year? Well, he was, he has been.
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I go, he's still here with us. They are connecting
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all the way through through the year, and it's like
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a really neat engagement. And I love how the staff
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can really get it after him just as much because,
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like he said, very competitive, So think outside the box,
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keep people engaged all the way through, and then the
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last part about how we're coming together and we're doing
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the food pantry and kind of leaning into to the
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people the Angel Tree really shoot man. The people of
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lake Ridge Middle School, they know their people, they know
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their community, and I think that sometimes can get lost
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because it's not a small town, but it kind of
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does have a small town feel when you're thinking about
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how they know each other in their community. I mean
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there's a lot of people in that community. Yet lake
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Ridge is seeing it and they're working with their partners
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in the community and really kind of leaning into what's needed.
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So it's know your people.
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Yeah, that is every kid deserves to be a kid,
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and you guys are making sure that that happens. I
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think that is beyond just admirable. All right, So before
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we close off today, I did catch Jim the other
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gym told me that you got some news or some
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things with your own kiddos at home. That's certainly worth Sharon,
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and what dad doesn't need a chance to brag about
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their kids. So here it is, right, this is your chance,
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go for it. But what is this news. I don't
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know what this is about.
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Absolutely. I have twin daughters who are amazing. They're just
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turned seventeen, and so one Samantha just committed not too
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long ago to play soccer at Seaton Hall.
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Cool.
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No, no, yeah, we're very excited to see her journey
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into college. And then my other daughter is the second
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in command of her JROTC.
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That's cool too.
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At Woodbridge and so they're right across the street, which
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I love so close. She's on the Raiders team and
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so get to see her compete as well. Is just
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they keep me busy, but they definitely keep me blessed
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to be able to watch them do their thing and
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excel at it.
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So, yeah, you know, one of the things that I
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just want to put out there as well. I know, Adam,
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you and I both are blessed to have spouses that
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are in education and and actually kind of support us
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along the way. I gotta we gotta throw a shout
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out on a second, Hold on a second. They do
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more than just support us. I mean there's there's heavy
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lifting that's done a lot, Yes there is, and they
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deserve they Yeah, absolutely, there's more than just support. So Adam,
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as we go back into the show, what do you got?
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What do you got planned? Adam coming up with in
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you know, the rest of the month of December and
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your break, what's it break? Your break look like?
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Well, you know, so I we've talked about this before.
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I like to stay busy. So I'm here a week
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from well, you know, here real soon. We're in a
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basketball season and I'm roughing and so that's a couple
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of nights a week, which is good because I need
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the exercise. And it's a different group of people being
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mad at me for decisions I make right versus other things.
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But now that and that's that's you know, that's really
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not even true because honestly, the people that I work
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with and work for every day, they're they're awesome. So
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that might be the thing we talk about from an
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administrative lands, but that's like this big of the job.
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So yeah, the job is amazing, but yeah, I get
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to do that. And I'm still wrapping up first semester
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of grad school for me as I'm going for that
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old doctorate. So and I'll be glad to get this
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class done. This one's testing me, this one's making me
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question whether or not this was a good decision. And
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so far, so good. But having to work, that's all right,
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it's good to good to really have to learn and
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really get yourself diving into that. So that's that's me
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right there. I get the kids back home, they'll be fun,
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get to see some people.
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But how about you.
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I'm definitely looking forward to having some time with my
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college son. He's been I mean he's he's been back
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for a total of maybe eight hours since August, which
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is great because he's been busy. I mean busy as
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in social, busy as in some other endeavors. I mean
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he's in the the business called the Tippy Business School
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here at the University of Iowa, and he's involved with
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the business fraternities. He's definitely staying busy and having a
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good time in college, which is what you should. But
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I'm looking forward to having him back. And it actually
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just there's one tradition. There's two durations we do here
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that I really like, and one of them is the
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Christmas Eve with every kid gets a present which is
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a book, but they have to find the book and
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I set up a little scavenger hunt for him. So
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a former teacher, librarian Joel Hake, taught me this one
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shared it with me. So they go on a scavenger
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hunt every Christmas Eve for their book. But then they
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all spend the night in the basement. And one of
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the things we talked about is doing something different, and
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they all three looked at me, like, why why go
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on a trip versus gifts. They're like, that's fine, but
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we still get to spend the night in the basement
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on Christmas Eve, right, you know, like, all right, I
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get yes, I guess we'll do that. Yeah. So just
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having those little things, and of course are family tradition
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of watching a Christmas vacation.
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Yeah, you know, elf, it's for us. That's the Christmas
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Eve after we go on our own scavenger hunt, but
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it's Christmas light. We have a list, try to check
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them all off. We've done that for you. It's fun.
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I love it, and there's a reason that they want
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to continue to do it, because that's that's why it's
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called a tradition. Yeah, you're right, you're right, absolutely right,
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you're right. Well, I'll tell you what, guys, this has
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been an awesome show. This has been fun. Jim. I
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hope this was worth your time coming on here as well.
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And maybe you got enough of a warning about when
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you come on with the two of us that it
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has a little bit of a risk that's involved with
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that too, But you've been awesome. You've been a great guest.
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Really appreciate you coming on the show today and just
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a wealth of knowledge. Before we go, though, I want
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to make sure people have an opportunity to if they
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want to connect with you, learn more about your work.
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How do they do So, what's the best way to
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get to you?
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Sure at Jim detro on Twitter, it's probably your best way.
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Also on Instagram Jim Dutrow, So that's your best way
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to get a hold of me. And I really thank
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you guys for being a part of this. I love
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what you guys are doing. I love your shows. It's
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a great format and I was just excited to be
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asked to be on here. So thank you.
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Hey, we're probably gonna have to bring you back on
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and see how you close out the school year too.
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We might have to do something. You keep them engaged
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all the way through.
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I think I like that.
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I used to also like to hear the stories of
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how the staff get you and went up you. Those
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those are things I like. So, Hey, Jim, thanks for
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being a friend over the years, and I appreciate you
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being here and I look forward to continue partnership through you.
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Just the friendship as well as the educational collegiality absolutely awesome.
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Thank you guys, appreciate you all being here tonight. Thank
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you listeners. We'll talk with you again next time.
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You've been listening to Control Shift Lead, brought to you
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by Inspired Edification and AWB Education. We're glad you joined
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us for today's discussion on empowering school leadership to dive
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deeper and explore more of Jim and adams work. Find
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us at www dot AWB education dot org. Thanks for listening.
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We look forward to connecting with you again soon
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joined as always with my co host, the mister Adam
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Bush from ADWB Education. Hey Adam, how are you doing?
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Uh?
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Great?
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Now?
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I don't know if my head will get back out
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of the door after you just gave me that sucker,
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But that's impressive. You've been playing out and for the
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price since last month.
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I actually, you know, as you know, thinking about doing
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podcasts and everything, and everybody talks about having the time
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to do it or not, but they believe in it. Well,
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when I've got a co host like you, Adam Bush,
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it just makes things, just life a lot easier.
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Today.
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I appreciate it.
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Man.
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What have you been up to this last month?
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I'll tell you what. Just you know, we're already just
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winding the year down. It's crazy. It seems like you
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blink and another day has passed, and just trying to
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kind of get to that that hump that we all feel,
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you know, sometimes it's the low hump of the year,
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but it's it's coming, And just trying to get our
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staff through that and get everybody rocking and rolling so
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we can lead right into the holidays. But how about you,
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I tell you what.
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I've been to a lot of places that have been blessed,
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from Virginia, West Virginia, California, Illinois, Minnesota, and just got
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back from the Arkansas, which I gotta tell you, no
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offense to our guest here today, but that's one of
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the coolest middle schools I've been to. But we're gonna
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get to We're gonna talk about Lakery's middle School here too,
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and a little bit here.
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Yeah, speaking of our guests before you introduce him, though,
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I got to mention something. I know you'll do the
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formal introduction here, but as we were planning for this show,
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it's something just dawned on me. This is the first
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time that we're gonna have a guest that shares a
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name with one of us. So this is a problem
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for me. I'm trying to figure this out, Like do
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I have to give you a nickname? Are you like
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you know J Dubbs or like I don't know, or
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just witch men or what this is? But this is
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gonna cause some work tonight. I mean to get through this.
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I can help you out with this. One of the
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activities I do to force people to get to know
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each other a little better and nothing like an ice breakaway,
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but just kind of like who are we? So I say,
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introduce yourself as a nickname you had in elementary school,
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high school, college, or whatever the case is, but don't
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tell the story, so the stories come out after words.
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I can launch it so forth. So I'll give you
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three nicknames I've had over the years, all appropriate. Einstein
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was my elementary one. Witchy isn't easy, it's easy to explain,
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and then Ditchman is another one. Ditchman, So you've got Einstein, Witchie,
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or Ditchman. You can come up with either one any
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of those.
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Well, I'm just hoping that Einstein wasn't like a shot
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from friends, you know, like you know, if I'm a
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bigger guy, if somebody calls me tiny, you know, it's
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not one of those type of things. But I hope.
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blowing around, he called me Einstein. Yeah, that's a better reason.
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a guess that's gonna roll with it. Heck, he's laughing already,
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about going into December, he's the guy. He's the guy
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that we need for this right now. So yeah, so hey,
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speaking of joining us in this episode is mister Jim Dutrow.
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Jim is a middle school principal in Prince William County
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Schools at Lake Ridge Middle School, where nobody, I mean
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nobody has a building with the most beautiful artwork, the paintings,
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the murals, everything is flat out amazing. Hey, welcome Jim
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to control shift lead.
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All right, welcome down.
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And we've added to the murals since the last time
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you've been. So we're gonna have to get to back out.
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My good I'll be I'll be back out. I'm not
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sure where there. Yeah, you talk about My favorite one
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the one above the threshold.
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Tell Adam to tell us this details here. This is good.
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It's just wolf eyes looking at you, making sure that
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you're going to class on time, ready to learn. Yeah,
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they're just just hurry at you. They're scary. Yeah, they're
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meant to be.
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That's good.
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That's kids.
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I've got to I've been working. I started coaching out
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of Prince William I think it was twenty eighteen nineteen
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somewhere right. It was before COVID, right before COVID, I
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know that. And so I got the opportunity to see
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Jim and his leadership skills and how he's he navigates
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not only just like through the trickiness of COVID, but
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really just how he builds his staff. And he's one
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of those leaders that slow and steady and subtle but
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yet there's clear lines all the way through for student
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behavior and the adult behavior as well. Awesome, it's not utopia,
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but that school has really got it going on. And
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I got to say he's got one of the best
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assistant principles ever, multiple assistant principles. But Michelle knows who
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I'm talking about. That's good. I got a great staff.
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I uh yeah, we have a We have an amazing
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staff which makes me live good sometimes.
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Turn right, turn right. That's good.
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Well, welcome to the control shift, Lead Jimmy, and we're
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gonna get going and talking about your things that we
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can control. That you got to offer us things that
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maybe can shift our thinking a little bit, and then
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how we can with some leadership tips we could have.
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So right, if we take a break, we're gonna jump
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right into what you can help us with what we
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All right, welcome back. So, whichmand that opening segment really
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just hit home? I mean December right here, we feel
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like we're just sometimes running a Maria. I kind of
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felt like I was following you through that marathon right
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there as we're getting into the break. But it's also
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a great time for us to have some opportunities to
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connect with people, and Jim, that's the part that brings
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us right into our first segment, and that is control.
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So this month we want to talk about being like
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mentally present, and you're talking about like celebrating the arts
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programming in the school and all of that wonderful stuff. So, Jim,
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at Lakeridge Middle School, you've clearly made visibility at these
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events a priority, as we've talked about getting ready for
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the show today. So how do you do that? How
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do you ensure that you're truly present? Your leadership team
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isn't just there checking a box during these moments.
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holiday programs, holiday music and even at times where if
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I can't be there, And this is one of the
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things I love about my admin team. We are getting
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videos from the performances, but we partner with our local
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high school, Woodbridge High School, home of the Vikings went
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to Woodbridge.
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and so like partnering with them for some of those
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performances where.
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see kind of that next level of work that they'll
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see in high school. And for us as administrators, I
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get to see our former students performing like awesome. I mean,
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it is such a joy to be able to see
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how far our kids have gone from sixth grade through
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eighth grade and then to get to see them again
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perform ninth, tenth, eleventh, and even twelfth grade. And so
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I think that is a great way for you to
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build community within your school, build community within the arts
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programs for your school. And so that is something that
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I've definitely we've tried to control. We set those schedules
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up pretty much like a year in advance to make
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sure that we can get space in the high school
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on certain days, and so I think being present for
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those performances is definitely something that we can control as
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leaders and making sure our admin team is there that
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sixth grade AP is in that sixth grade performance, seventh
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grade AP is up grade performance, and just building those
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relationships with our kids, with our families, they see us there,
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and so I think that's very important.
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of I'm running out of energy, but then building it
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back up because we know that if you would have
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any of your elementary feeder system teachers come into this school,
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they walk down the hallways and the kids at the
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middle school are going to swamp them. Same concept when
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the high school kids come in. And so now you're
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taking this energy that's draining and now we're like getting
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it back up to we have a community that's bigger
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than Lake Ridge Middle School. We're bringing in the vikings,
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the Woodbridge High School vikings, and then just kind of
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partnering within that. And I love that how you said that.
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being physically present, it's about being mentally present with the
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kids and the families. And now we really do have
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a community.
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if you think about that, that gives you that opportunity
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to really see the whole child. We talk about that
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all the time. But it's not just all because I
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was your third grade teacher or I was your you know,
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elementary principle that I only care about you during that time, no, no, no, no,
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I care about you from start to finish to life
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to everything else really gives you that opportunity to do that,
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and you know, Jim, is your bringing that up, it
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just brings back a memory. I remember a few years
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back when I was at a concert and happened to
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just run into the kid in the hallway, which for
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me now is a little bit more difficult from the
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district office administrator role. You know, I just don't see
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kids as often as further detached, but happen to see
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a kid, I recognize them, like, hey, a nice job
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at the concert last night, and they stopped real quickly.
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was it was just a little moment, a little moment,
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but that that's a good moment. And just by taking
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that opportunity, I would never be able to have that
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conversation had I not been there in the first place.
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an experience maybe that you had in the one of
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the concerts or one of the kids, or the moment
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of just seeing them perform. And I think, like Adam says,
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is if we see him in the whole child versus
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that kid who maybe is struggling a little bit through
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the day or pushing the buttons of teachers, just talk
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about some of those experiences you had.
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and do a little introduction and then being behind the curtain.
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but I'll tell you what. At Woodbridgs High School for
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the orchestra concert, I get a backstage pass. And so
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getting to see our kids perform, getting to see our
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teachers on that stage and how they command that entire
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audience at a in a high school venue is just
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it's an amazing experience and it's something that I think
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only as an administrator you really feel how great that is.
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school students, it's even better because you get to see
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that growth and our kids love it, our teachers love it,
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said there, Jim. So you you mentioned about saying something
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like are you starting the concert or giving an introduction
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and yeah, I've always says reading, I do podcasting. I've
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got a voice for it, probably have a face for
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radio two. But you know, I knew you guys say that. Yeah,
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because that's true. I mean, it is what it is.
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I can own that. But what it makes me think
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of is why not? Because that's a great opportunity for visibility.
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there's that guy up there, there's that gual up there.
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all of that time and effort and energy to perform
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and show their talents.
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when ministries don't know how to do that, they start
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talking about things that aren't really valid and important. So
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if you keep it tight and then you can do
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some amazing things Like you're standing up there, you're looking
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at the parents, You're like connecting with them. That ways, well,
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is a big the pride of all those kids and
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they're coming off backstage, Adam, I saw it in show choir,
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Prairidge Middle School. It is so powerful and it's like, gosh,
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there's purpose right there.
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get to you know, you're going to watch a baseball game.
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going to watch a baseball game, go sit on the
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end of the bench. Let's go sit down there for
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a little bit. If you can. Why not see kids
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in action? See this?
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as a parent.
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you're a principal of that build, it doesn't.
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Why not? Why not?
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It shows that you care about them, not just because
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they're in the classroom at that one moment in time.
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you're out and about in the hallways with kids, and
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the day after a performance in December.
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great job last night, making sure that they know that
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you appreciate what they do. Another thing that we do
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as we get closer to the end of December and
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getting closer to winter break. Our kids perform in the building,
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whether it is in our mixing bowl which is kind
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of our open area, our cafeteria. We will have different
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groups perform nice for the student body in the morning
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as they're getting ready to go to first period. And
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we've even had faculty come in and perform with them,
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great way to find out that, hey, that that English
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teacher that you have that's down the hallway. Yeah, they
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also play guitar, the wow Dure and that's played that
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opportunity to perform with kids. They make connection with the
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kids that they may not even have or ever have,
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and you're now again building some worknnections within your building
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between students and adults. Well at the same time having
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a great time. And yeah, for that end of December timeframe,
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what instrument do you play with him?
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Jim?
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I play the stand there and clip.
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An instrument that works. Yeah, Adam, Adam, what do you play?
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Adam? I hate to say this because I have not
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touched in a long time, but you know I was.
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I was blessed enough to be an all state trombonist
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back in the day.
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I thought you had something to be your sleeve.
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Yeah, yeah, I do. I do. It's been a long time,
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but tell you what, Jim, this was a great start
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for control. I mean, I'm getting all excited, and usually
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that's Witchman's job during this podcast is to get all
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that energy coming out. So you've got me going already.
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This is awesome. I can I just can't wait and
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see what we still got coming. So yeah, stay with
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us for a little bit. We're gonna take a quick
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break so we can pay some bills, and when we
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get back, we will shift our focus to shift as
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we talk about some things. I can really shift your
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thinking about some staff and students recharge things that we
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can do in the month of December. So hang on,
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everybody will be right back here.
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In just a second.
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Welcome back to control Shift lead everyone. Before the break,
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Jim talked about what we can control right now in
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our celebrations and actually the emotional ties that come with
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it for not just the students but also the adults.
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The shift we're going to discuss this month is moving
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from simply surviving until break to actively ensuring our staff
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have energy going into break so that when they are
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at break, they have the energy to really enjoy their families.
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The concept concept, but we love it.
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Screw that up somehow, and I don't understand it. It's
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it's like, this is our time to celebrate, right Well,
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here's the good news is Adam, our main man, Jimmy
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here is going to take us through.
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Jim help us shift our thinking a little bit here. Sure,
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I think that's a huge thing. I think too many
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times end of the year, coming up on breaks, it's
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always how many how many Dayst'll break? How what do
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I gotta get through?
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It's like, yeah, thirteen to fifteen, Yeah, we're.
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Going to count him down right absolutely, And so really
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we try to as much as we can build the
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momentum to break, give our staff our students things to
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look forward to leading into break, so that one truancy
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is an issue across our chronic apps and teeism is
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a nationwide issue post COVID, and so we are always
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trying to find ways to make sure our kids want
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to be in school. Same thing with our staff. Yeah,
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we found our staff sometimes struggle with chronic absenteeism. And
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so one of the things that we have done the
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last couple of years is and I'm wearing my sweatshirt today.
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We have some swag giveaways every week, usually on days
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where we've got a lot of teachers out and the
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one caveat to that is must be present to win,
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to win, And so this sweatshirt and Jim has one,
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which man has one?
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I should have wore it today?
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Yes, yeah, to get one out to you. So we'll
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make sure we get one out to you. It is
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the most shirt you've ever worn in your entire life.
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I don't know what you need. It's great and our
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staff loves it. Like we call it the Wheel of Names.
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So every usually it's on Fridays, but not always on Fridays,
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we spend the wheel set number of names come up,
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but you have to be present to win, and our
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absenteeism for staff has gone down since we've since we've
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started this, and so you know, perfect example, I was
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in Indianapolis a little bit ago for a conference, presenting
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at a conference and I couldn't do the Wheel of
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Names on that Friday, and the amount of text that
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I got on age, I was like, We're going to
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do it on Monday, which everything's going to be fine.
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Sweatshirts are going out. But you know, our staff has
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really gotten into it and it's it's something that they
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look forward to, and so you know, that's something My
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goal was to have all of them out by winter break,
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and we started this at the beginning of the year.
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So that's something that we love to do. Just fun activities,
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giveaways for stuff.
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What a great way because I know that, you know,
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Gene Day used to be that kind of like a
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cupon for Gen Day or things like that, and we
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kind of had to evolve a little bit and I
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did something similar. I didn't have the coolest white shirts
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or anything like that, but I remember giving away like
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a dinner for two and that got a lot of cheers,
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so did everything else, like a pencil. I mean, I
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was giving away all these things and they all get
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equal cheers. I think it's just shaking it up a
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little bit throughout the mundane part of it.
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Well, and I think to which when you're talking about, yeah,
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it's giving away, that's good. You know, people like swag,
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they like all that stuff. That's great, But it's also
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just think about the camaraderie that happens during the moment.
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That's really what people are getting to, right, It's that. Yeah,
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it's kind of like when we you know, I was
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always talking about with coaching, where you'd hide conditioning, right,
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I need people to condition. They don't like to condition
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by hide it in other things and people they just
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get into it, they have fun. Well, it's the same thing.
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Really.
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The goal you're trying to do is get that ownership
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piece with the school and wanting to be there and
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that desire to be there. You just got to hide
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it within some giveaways or which I think that's an
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awesome idea by the way, but again it's you know,
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it's kind of might have a different purpose and if
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we just say it, does that really you know the
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we need you here at school. E. I don't know
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I was gonna do a whole lot, but having something
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we do as a team like that is gonna that's
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just gonna have a bigger impact on I think that's
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a great idea.
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What's the feedback you've been getting from that, Jimmy?
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I love it. And I think you see more and
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more sweatshirts throughout the year as more and more people
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win them. And so again there's that you talk about,
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that camaraderie of yep, we've got them, and they all
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know they're eventually gonna get them. That's the other piece
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I think is important. They know that they're going to
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get it at some point, and it's just kind of
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the bracking rates before if you get it early versus
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later on in the year.
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So I know some of the staff members, now are
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they when they win, are they like strutting around a
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little bit, or are they just yeah.
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Oh yeah, that would be there higher staff got it?
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Yeah, yeah, yep.
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I like that. So, Adam, I think I might have
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picked up on one of your each each week or
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each month, I try to grab an atomism along the way.
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I've never heard of hide conditioning or hide pride or
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you're kind of like you're being savvy with it, but
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it but it just kind of makes it more of
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a natural. So often we do things like an icebreaker.
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Nobody likes icebreakers, but we do them. However, you could
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do the same thing, and if there's intention into it,
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no longer it is to become an icebreaker. It becomes
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like something with purpose. And what I what I think
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about it is when we do things to check it
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off and think it's going to change the world, we
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really miss everything. So if if the email you talked about,
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if Jim would have sent out an email to Lake
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Ride staff, that not only would it drowned out the
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we're not going to really okay whatever, but all emails
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from him Yep, outside of this time of the year,
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it would drown it out too and have that. So
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now we're like making it a like purposeful. So it's
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not just about winning a sweatshirt, or's just about being present.
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It's like we're a wolf pack. I mean, man, I
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gotta tell you what's your what's your? What's the phrase
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at the end you guys have with the wolf pack
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hashtag pack mentality, pac mentality, that's it. That's it is.
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I love that you're getting people out of the classrooms.
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You're getting everybody out there together to celebrate the fact
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that we're together. I mean, that's really what it boils
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down to. That's that's awesome pack mentality.
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I love that. I love that.
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And speaking of getting staff out, another thing that we
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do usually that last week before break, we call it
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snowflake in your pocket, and so we high not eight
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snowflakes throughout to us to eight staff members each morning,
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and so they put it in their pocket. Every staff
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member can then say, do you have a snowflake in
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your pocket? If you do, you have to give it
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to whoever asked. This goes on all day until two fifty,
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and at two point fifty, which is the end of
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our day, whoever has those eight snowflakes in their pocket
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again get some type of price. And so our staff
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like fun. You know, oftentimes your teachers, you know, they
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hang out with their math people, they hang out with
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their language artspeoper, they're science there. They don't necessarily com
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mingle throughout the building. You're giving them a reason to
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com mingle super into it. They want to be there
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those days again, it's getting your staff present for present
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in the building and a great story I have for
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this because and Jim will tell you, I'm probably one
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of the most competitive people you'll ever meet. Like I'm
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gonna win. I already have everything that we're gonna win.
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I don't even care about getting anything new.
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I want to win.
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And so I had a meeting one day during the
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snowflake in your pocket. I had gotten a snowflake right
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before the meeting. So I'm like, this is perfect. I'm
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going in my office. I'm putting the show. Everybody's getting
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my snowflake. Staff member comes to my office slides a
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piece of paper under the door. I love it.
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Lay snowflake in your pocket.
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I have to give up my snip flake underneath the.
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Door or I opened the door handed.
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And I was very angry for the rest.
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Of the meeting.
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That is hilarious, even though what the meeting is about
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or were you just mad?
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I was just mad. I was angry. Who is it?
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I gotta tell you next time. That's a I don't
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need to know the name, but that's brilliant. Yeah, and
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I gotta tell you that story that you just said
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right there, probably got song.
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I mean, people were probably talking about that for a while.
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And so when they're talking about something like that, they're
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not talking about that kid, that parent, that principle, that's you,
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that board member, that legislator, that governor, that that that
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that that they're talking about a time when we laughed.
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We're talking about the time when I got the principal.
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They're talking about that time when we came together. And
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that's the memories we want going into break. Hey, I
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got to tell you this is a perfect, perfect shift
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in our mindset. Give them the energy, shake it up
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a little bit. We're going to take a break here,
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and when we come back, our guest Jim is going
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to talk to us a little bit about a lead
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segment of our control shift.
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Lead.
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Stick with us everyone.
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Hi, I'm doctor Lisa Hill, a longtime educator of nearly
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forty years as a teacher, counselor, professor, and vice principal.
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And I've seen just about everything public schools can throw
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at you, and now I'm sharing my tales on my
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comedy podcast, Vice Principle Unofficed. It's where school leadership meets
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laugh out loud stories from underwear required parent teacher conferences.
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Yes really, two staff launch confessions and more. You won't believe.
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I'm telling it all with humor and a whole lot
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of heart. I also tackle the serious stuff too, like
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what schools really need to change and those behind the
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scenes moments no one talks about. So if you're ready
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to laugh, learn, and maybe even prior little but mostly laugh,
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look forward to.
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All right, welcome back everybody. The final segment, of course,
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is Lead and Jim. Just to let you know, this
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is where we typically we discuss like the system, structures,
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cultural moves, any of that other stuff that we can
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do that's going to help lead your classroom or lead
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your school, lead your building. There's a lot of people
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that are involved, obviously in educating our youth every single day.
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So I think we're planning on talking a little bit
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about here. Talked about the energy into the break, We've
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talked about being visible and all that wonderful stuff that's
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going on. But we also know that this is also
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a time of year where people struggle a little bit
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and there's there's just a lot of that that goes on.
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It's our parents, our families, staff, students. Holidays can make
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things kind of tough. And Jim, I know your school
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has prioritized some tangible support systems that can really help
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people during this time. So can you can you walk
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us through how your leadership team organizes that stuff and
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what this is and some of those ideas that we
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also can take back to our schools to help lead
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our communities.
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Through this time. Absolutely, and we are we're close to Washington, DC,
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so the government shut down like that's real for us.
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And so there's several things that we have done this year,
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several things we've done every year to really help our
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families are struggling. One of the of things we started
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this year is a food pantry for our community. There
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are ten schools in our division that are piloting these
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food pantries.
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Are apparent liaison and school social worker.
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I have done a tremendous job with making sure that
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our food pantry is stocked, getting the information out to
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our families that are in need. And so that is
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something that I'm really proud of of being able to
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help our families in need, not just during the holidays.
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This is something that's going to be open year round.
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Our National Junior Honor Society, they just had their induction
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a month or so ago, and so their first thing
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was a food drive. The students were able to They
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have to do community service hours, and so for ten
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cans of food, ten items, they get an hour of service.
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And so our students buy into it, our families have
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bought into it, and so that has been something that's
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been really great for us. It's going to be something
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throughout the year.
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So I sit here and I think about this as
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just as you're kind of going through it today. We
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talked about like the students first, you know, with the
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with the what we could control the celebration. Then we
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started talking about the staff and the celebrations you're doing
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to kind of shift our thinking about how we want
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our staff going in to break. But now you're bringing
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a full circle. We're talking about how you guys are
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pouring into the community. And I got to tell you,
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you know, Christmas was a very hard time for me
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growing up because we didn't have any money. We didn't
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do We just didn't. And when we got that knock
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on the door and you open up the door and
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there was a box of food, it was like we
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had We were able to have a feast for Thanksgiving,
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we were able to have a feast for Christmas. And
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without that, I don't know if we would have been
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able to do so. At least it wouldn't have been
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to that level. And when I know that people really
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can see everybody and we're not judging it, we're not
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saying anything about it's the poor people. We're taken care
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of at all. Now, it's like humans were taken care of.
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And it's so powerful that you I really do believe,
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And I'm a middle school person at heart. I believe
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the hearts of middle school kids. When they get behind
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something and they can really see the purpose of it,
627
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they get crazy, They get right after it, and they
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pour right into it, very intentional.
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The other part about that, Jim, I really like is
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that you know a lot of times communities like the
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town might take up that exact thing you're talking about.
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But what you're saying is maybe it's great, maybe it's not.
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I don't know. You're not gonna you're not going to
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take that risk. The district to the school building is
635
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saying no, no, no, no, no. We see this as something
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very important, so we want to make sure that it's
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done the right way. We want to make sure that
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our families are taken care of. You know, I've heard
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some other schools that will do and we've done this
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actually in some of the offices that I've worked in
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in the past. You know where you trade gifts back
642
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and forth. I mean, I love the people I work with.
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I don't need a Christmas gift from them. I don't
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write they don't need one from me. But there's a
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lot of kids out there that could certainly under stand
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a clause this year, and so instead of doing the
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little trade things, go in on a package that you
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can do that that delivery to the door like you
649
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talk about there. But really the point is what I'm
650
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hearing you say is that you want to get it done.
651
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So you make sure it gets done and take care
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of that thing that's going to be able to serve
653
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your community. And I think that's really admirable because it'd
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be really easy just to say, well that's the town
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will do that, or here's where you can go go
656
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down here. No, We're going to make sure you've got it.
657
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That's important to us. That's that's really cool.
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And speaking of your you know, there are some families
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that would really need Santa or need gifts around this time.
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We also do an Angel Tree that our school worker
661
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works with local churches with our staff. And I will
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say I never owned a pair of Jordans. I never
663
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bought a pair of Jordans until a couple of years ago.
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There was an Angel Tree gifts and it was a
665
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student that I knew, and his his request was Jordan's
666
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and so I have purchased one pair of Jordans in
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my life. Uh. And it was for that student, and
668
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I know I know how much that meant to him,
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know how much all of the gifts that and our
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are our staff is so generous, uh. And so we're
671
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able to support multiple families and just being like you said,
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being able to know that we're providing some things that
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that may not have been provided otherwise. It is it's
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what community is about, it's what a school is about.
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And so I think that that Angel Tree and then
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also providing food support for whether it's Thanksgiving where there
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it's a holiday meal over Christmas. Just being able to
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support our families that are in that are in need
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is awesome.
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Yeah.
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I remember getting those gifts and it was very homely
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because I hated people doing those things for me. But
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as I gotten older, I see how valuable and important
684
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it was for me, and it just there's something about
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a nice pair of jeans, or a nice shirt or
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the Jordan's which I can't believe that with your kids,
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that that's the first pair you bought, but I could
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be I could also see you being stubborn enough that
689
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that could be true. Ali probably bought them. But seeing that,
690
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what I love about that is you knew that kid,
691
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that student, that middle school soul who entered your building,
692
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and you saw them as a human first and thought,
693
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this is my target. I got to help this kid out.
694
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You went through each of the segments today, and each
695
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one of them talked about the human. It wasn't necessarily
696
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about the test scores or anything else. That was about
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the human seeing them first. And I think that really
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says a testament to your leadership. And I think it
699
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also says a testament to the folks at lake Bridge
700
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Middle School. For sure, that's true pac mentality right there.
701
00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:04.119
Absolutely.
702
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:06.679
So we're gonna head into our final break here and
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00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:09.320
we come back, we're gonna kind of summarize everything along
704
00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:11.679
the way. Hopefully we're walking away with a little bit
705
00:36:11.679 --> 00:36:15.079
more energy coming into the winter break here and kind
706
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:17.480
of wrapping things up. So thanks a lot and stick
707
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:33.400
with us everyone.
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00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:30.920
All right, here we go back for our last segment
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here in Jim, this has been awesome. I really think
710
00:36:33.639 --> 00:36:36.679
thank you for joining us today and giving us some
711
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:40.159
great advice for everybody to take take from this show
712
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:42.880
and help lead their buildings every single day. It's just awesome, great,
713
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:45.840
great stuff. All right. So before we get to our
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00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:48.559
final little talk here with Jim and wrap this show
715
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:51.639
up today, Jim Witchman, how about you give us a
716
00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:54.800
quick recap of what we've talked about today. Yeah.
717
00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:57.360
I thought this is really great though when I hear
718
00:36:57.400 --> 00:36:59.519
the think of the control shift lead and how Jim
719
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:01.400
I kind of let us through each of the segments
720
00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:04.199
and that is again he talked about the students and
721
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:07.719
so it's about be present mentally and physically. I love
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00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:10.119
how he brings in the alumni and how they can
723
00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:13.039
reconnect so we can see the family, right, It's greater
724
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:15.800
than one place, Lake Ridge Middle School. It's like a
725
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:19.199
system all the way through, and then we're seeing the
726
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:21.320
whole child because we're not going to just celebrate him
727
00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:22.800
at the night of the concerts. We're going to have
728
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:25.920
them perform again throughout the day. And I love the
729
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:28.079
fact that we're getting staff involved with that. So I
730
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:30.960
really think that that control is that we could schedule
731
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:33.480
it out, we can really get involved with that, which
732
00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:37.000
led right into the shift part about you know, we're
733
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:38.920
looking at the staff and we're no longer I think
734
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:41.599
you mentioned on break there about we're no longer ripping
735
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:45.280
off the hoops and talking about countdown. We're talking about
736
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:48.039
how do we shake things up and really keep people
737
00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:51.679
engaged all the way through. It's like finishing strong and sure,
738
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:53.880
we're going to have fun doing it. Why are we
739
00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:56.480
doing that throughout the year? Well, he was, he has been.
740
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:59.039
I go, he's still here with us. They are connecting
741
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:01.239
all the way through through the year, and it's like
742
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:03.719
a really neat engagement. And I love how the staff
743
00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:06.280
can really get it after him just as much because,
744
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:10.280
like he said, very competitive, So think outside the box,
745
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:13.679
keep people engaged all the way through, and then the
746
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:17.000
last part about how we're coming together and we're doing
747
00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:19.760
the food pantry and kind of leaning into to the
748
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:23.519
people the Angel Tree really shoot man. The people of
749
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:25.679
lake Ridge Middle School, they know their people, they know
750
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:29.320
their community, and I think that sometimes can get lost
751
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:32.480
because it's not a small town, but it kind of
752
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:34.559
does have a small town feel when you're thinking about
753
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:37.000
how they know each other in their community. I mean
754
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:40.039
there's a lot of people in that community. Yet lake
755
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:43.679
Ridge is seeing it and they're working with their partners
756
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:46.119
in the community and really kind of leaning into what's needed.
757
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:47.800
So it's know your people.
758
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:50.320
Yeah, that is every kid deserves to be a kid,
759
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:52.320
and you guys are making sure that that happens. I
760
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:56.119
think that is beyond just admirable. All right, So before
761
00:38:56.199 --> 00:38:59.679
we close off today, I did catch Jim the other
762
00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:04.039
gym told me that you got some news or some
763
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:07.480
things with your own kiddos at home. That's certainly worth Sharon,
764
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:10.400
and what dad doesn't need a chance to brag about
765
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:13.480
their kids. So here it is, right, this is your chance,
766
00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:15.760
go for it. But what is this news. I don't
767
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:16.519
know what this is about.
768
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:21.360
Absolutely. I have twin daughters who are amazing. They're just
769
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:26.719
turned seventeen, and so one Samantha just committed not too
770
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:28.840
long ago to play soccer at Seaton Hall.
771
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:29.760
Cool.
772
00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:33.199
No, no, yeah, we're very excited to see her journey
773
00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:37.400
into college. And then my other daughter is the second
774
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:39.599
in command of her JROTC.
775
00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:41.519
That's cool too.
776
00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:44.559
At Woodbridge and so they're right across the street, which
777
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:48.400
I love so close. She's on the Raiders team and
778
00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:51.440
so get to see her compete as well. Is just
779
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:55.960
they keep me busy, but they definitely keep me blessed
780
00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:58.000
to be able to watch them do their thing and
781
00:39:58.039 --> 00:39:58.719
excel at it.
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00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:01.800
So, yeah, you know, one of the things that I
783
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just want to put out there as well. I know, Adam,
784
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you and I both are blessed to have spouses that
785
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are in education and and actually kind of support us
786
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:15.519
along the way. I gotta we gotta throw a shout
787
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:17.440
out on a second, Hold on a second. They do
788
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:20.880
more than just support us. I mean there's there's heavy
789
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:24.679
lifting that's done a lot, Yes there is, and they
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00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:29.280
deserve they Yeah, absolutely, there's more than just support. So Adam,
791
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:32.480
as we go back into the show, what do you got?
792
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:34.760
What do you got planned? Adam coming up with in
793
00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:36.559
you know, the rest of the month of December and
794
00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:38.360
your break, what's it break? Your break look like?
795
00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:41.880
Well, you know, so I we've talked about this before.
796
00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:44.360
I like to stay busy. So I'm here a week
797
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:47.199
from well, you know, here real soon. We're in a
798
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:50.159
basketball season and I'm roughing and so that's a couple
799
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of nights a week, which is good because I need
800
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the exercise. And it's a different group of people being
801
00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:59.199
mad at me for decisions I make right versus other things.
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But now that and that's that's you know, that's really
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not even true because honestly, the people that I work
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with and work for every day, they're they're awesome. So
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that might be the thing we talk about from an
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administrative lands, but that's like this big of the job.
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So yeah, the job is amazing, but yeah, I get
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to do that. And I'm still wrapping up first semester
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of grad school for me as I'm going for that
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old doctorate. So and I'll be glad to get this
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class done. This one's testing me, this one's making me
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question whether or not this was a good decision. And
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so far, so good. But having to work, that's all right,
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it's good to good to really have to learn and
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really get yourself diving into that. So that's that's me
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right there. I get the kids back home, they'll be fun,
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get to see some people.
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But how about you.
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I'm definitely looking forward to having some time with my
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college son. He's been I mean he's he's been back
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for a total of maybe eight hours since August, which
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is great because he's been busy. I mean busy as
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in social, busy as in some other endeavors. I mean
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he's in the the business called the Tippy Business School
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here at the University of Iowa, and he's involved with
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the business fraternities. He's definitely staying busy and having a
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good time in college, which is what you should. But
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I'm looking forward to having him back. And it actually
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just there's one tradition. There's two durations we do here
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that I really like, and one of them is the
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Christmas Eve with every kid gets a present which is
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a book, but they have to find the book and
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I set up a little scavenger hunt for him. So
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a former teacher, librarian Joel Hake, taught me this one
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shared it with me. So they go on a scavenger
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hunt every Christmas Eve for their book. But then they
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all spend the night in the basement. And one of
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the things we talked about is doing something different, and
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they all three looked at me, like, why why go
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on a trip versus gifts. They're like, that's fine, but
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we still get to spend the night in the basement
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on Christmas Eve, right, you know, like, all right, I
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get yes, I guess we'll do that. Yeah. So just
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having those little things, and of course are family tradition
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of watching a Christmas vacation.
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Yeah, you know, elf, it's for us. That's the Christmas
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Eve after we go on our own scavenger hunt, but
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it's Christmas light. We have a list, try to check
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them all off. We've done that for you. It's fun.
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I love it, and there's a reason that they want
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to continue to do it, because that's that's why it's
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called a tradition. Yeah, you're right, you're right, absolutely right,
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you're right. Well, I'll tell you what, guys, this has
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been an awesome show. This has been fun. Jim. I
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hope this was worth your time coming on here as well.
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And maybe you got enough of a warning about when
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you come on with the two of us that it
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has a little bit of a risk that's involved with
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that too, But you've been awesome. You've been a great guest.
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Really appreciate you coming on the show today and just
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a wealth of knowledge. Before we go, though, I want
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to make sure people have an opportunity to if they
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want to connect with you, learn more about your work.
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How do they do So, what's the best way to
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get to you?
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Sure at Jim detro on Twitter, it's probably your best way.
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Also on Instagram Jim Dutrow, So that's your best way
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to get a hold of me. And I really thank
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you guys for being a part of this. I love
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what you guys are doing. I love your shows. It's
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a great format and I was just excited to be
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asked to be on here. So thank you.
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Hey, we're probably gonna have to bring you back on
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and see how you close out the school year too.
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We might have to do something. You keep them engaged
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all the way through.
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I think I like that.
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I used to also like to hear the stories of
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how the staff get you and went up you. Those
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those are things I like. So, Hey, Jim, thanks for
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being a friend over the years, and I appreciate you
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being here and I look forward to continue partnership through you.
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Just the friendship as well as the educational collegiality absolutely awesome.
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Thank you guys, appreciate you all being here tonight. Thank
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you listeners. We'll talk with you again next time.
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You've been listening to Control Shift Lead, brought to you
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