Summer S’pouses Episode 2: Amanda Lund

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Hi, my name is Amanda Lund.
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Hi.
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And I feel, you go girl, about being Matt Gourley's spouse.
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Summer Spouses with Conan O'Brien, Sonam Ovsessian.
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And Matt Gourley.
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And Liza Powell O'Brien, Tack Baroian.
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And Amanda Lund. Amanda, we have a lot to talk
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about here because I have painted a picture of of
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Matt over the years. And there have occasionally been charges
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that it's not an accurate picture. I portray him as
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an effete, you know, fez collecting, lute playing, twee who
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hangs out, right? And little bespoke garage sales, right?
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You're just asking the wrong person if I'm looking for
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a defense here.
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But no, but of course, I'm a caricaturist. I don't
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paint portraits. I make obscene caricatures. So Amanda, where have
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I gone wrong in describing the Matt Gourley we all
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know and tolerate?
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You're touching on so many truths. There's a lot of
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truth to it. But I think where you go wrong
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is the style aspect. Because I think people are imagining
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him in like a little vest and like a little cap.
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I know he has one. It's deep in the closet.
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Do you have a vest?
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I have a vest as part of a suit, like
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a three-piece suit.
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But you never had just a solo vest.
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Oh, like without a shirt on underneath.
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So I go to all the time. All the time.
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He worked at Chippendales. Yes, I portray him as a
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guy who wears like a straw boater hat and a
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little bow tie that spins when he pushes a button
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in his pocket.
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And you know what?
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Since he started working here, he won't wear a bow
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tie anymore.
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Anymore?
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Anymore. Okay. That's great. So I'm changing his behavior.
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You and Tucker Carlson.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And I think one time he wore a little scarf,
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but that was just for 24 hours. And then it
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was like a little experiment that you did for a while.
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So that is true. And so it is true. He loves,
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he loves like little hobbies.
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Yeah.
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Like a scarf, like a flight attendant.
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Yes, a 1968 Swedish flight attendant named Inga, who's va-va-voom.
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It looked good.
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We were on vacation. It was like a kind of
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an open, relaxed linen shirt with a little scarf.
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Oh, my God. If you had taken a... Yes, thank you, Amanda.
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Thank you. I can live off the meat on that
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bone for seven years.
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I didn't bring here to have you live for me.
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I need to sing your praises, Amanda. You are very
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talented and very accomplished. And I don't want to embarrass
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you or anything, but you have quite a list of
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things that you've done. You're a very successful podcaster. You
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have played Disney princesses, many different ones. Is that right?
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Where did it all start? Why don't you tell your story?
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For us okay and you did this motion which like
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kind of short.
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I want i want three i want your life in
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three words okay this is no no go for it
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this is a.
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Nightmare i did not know i was going to be
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like interviewed okay no i just thought it was more
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like a seat filler oh like here to no amanda
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you are not a seat filler and by the way
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um no and if you.
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Think there was any planning that went behind any of
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us any of this You don't know us.
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Okay, okay.
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I'm just as surprised as you.
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Okay, let me just say, I'm from Long Beach, California. Okay.
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I worked at Disneyland. This is interesting. I played a
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princess when I was in high school, into young adulthood.
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And that's where it stops.
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Oh, wait.
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And that's where I peaked.
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But this is fascinating to me because I remember clearly
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my wife and I taking Nev out I think we
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took her to Disneyland and the princesses were there. And
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to this day, I haven't seen my daughter that excited.
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I mean, she's excited about a lot of things, but
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it's a kind of. They're meeting real royalty. Well, yeah.
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Yeah.
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It is real royalty.
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The scary thing is she was 21 at the time. No,
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I'm kidding. No, she was just this little girl, but
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she was meeting Cinderella. I know you played Cinderella.
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And you did it in Tokyo for six.
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Months, too, right?
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Yeah, I did it.
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I played Mary Poppins in Cinderella in Tokyo when I
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was 21, and it was the best... Six months of
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my life.
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So you know what it's like to just have to
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be adored. You know what?
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I had fans. When you work at Tokyo Disney, you
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have like full on a fan base. Because the fan
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culture there, especially for Disney, is just outrageous. And they
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love it so much. So I would be just riding
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the subway on my day off and someone would come
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up to me and like hand me an envelope that
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was filled with pictures of myself from the park.
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Oh, my God. Is that kind of scary?
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Well, I liked it. I did like it. And then
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also on the last day that you work, all of
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your fans, because at the beginning of your term, you
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work there for six months. People decide like that's I'm
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going to be a fan of hers. And then on
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your last day, they all wait for you and they
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shower you with gifts.
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Oh, my God. You're dying. We know we're learning some
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important things here. The other Matt wore a scarf once
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like a flight attendant. And Amanda likes men to photograph
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her from a great distance. Yeah. And then hand her
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the photos in an envelope.
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It's nice to have, you don't get a lot of
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pictures of yourself, you know, especially as a mom, you're
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always behind the camera.
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Yeah, it's true.
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Through shrubbery.
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I was going to say, I know there's like a
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distinction between the ones that have to wear the heads
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and then they're like the ones like you who are just,
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it's your face.
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Yes.
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So is there, is there like a legit hierarchy? Well, okay.
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When I worked there, yes. Okay. But it was just
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a pay hierarchy because a face character, you get paid
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a little bit more, but you don't get paid as
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much as what Matt did at Disneyland, which was he
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was a talking trash can.
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Unbelievable.
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Push the talking trash can. And he got paid, no joke,
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like three times as much as I was making as
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a princess.
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Is it hazard pay? Because people... People are constantly jamming
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a half-eaten burrito in here.
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I wasn't in the trash can for the hundredth time.
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You know what?
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Were you on your knees, like, waddling?
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So you weren't inside. I think that's where you really
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should get the big bucks, if you were inside the
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trash can. No, I was.
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Walking around with a really smart scarf on.
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Yeah?
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And.
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And I had a little remote controller in a bag.
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And so I was nearby with a microphone hidden in
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the crowd.
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And the and it's a remote control. Are you controlling
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the motions of the. Wow. OK, so it was like
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early drone work.
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Yeah.
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So you could see why I was at a higher
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pay grade.
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No, I don't see that.
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No, I don't either.
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No, the princess.
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Is it true that the military is interested in weaponizing
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these trash cans? Just to go defend Ukraine, we're going
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to send 10,000 trash cans. Could be 10,000 Matt Gorleys.
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Doing improv. Doing improv.
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Oh, that would kill them.
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Improving them to death. Good improv is a powerful weapon.
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It's true.
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What?
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You have done many podcasts. Yes. And they're very creative.
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They involve character work. I mean, let's face it. We
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sit here. We babble like chimps. And somehow we get
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away with it. But these are very creative podcasts. Can
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you tell us a little bit about some of those?
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Oh, yeah, sure.
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OK, so when I met Matt, this is a long
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time ago, like he was already podcasting because like he
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was one of the first, as we know. But I
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also was kind of podcasting from my little apartment in Titown.
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I had my original podcast was called trading movies with
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Craig Kikowski and my friend Maria Blasucci. And so they
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would each give each other a movie to watch. The
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other one had never seen. And I was just the host.
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So they were of different generations.
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They were of different generations. So that was my very
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original podcast. And I didn't even know what was happening.
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I just knew like I was talking and I didn't
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know anyone was listening or anything. And then, yes. And
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since then, I have my kind of my life's work.
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It's called The Complete Woman. And that's a character piece
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based on my muse, who's a love and marriage expert
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from the 1970s. Her name's Maribel Morgan.
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It's a real woman.
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Yes.
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And she's a real woman. And I found this little
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book in a used bookshop one afternoon. It had just
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a rose on the cover called The Total Woman. And
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I cracked that thing open and I was like, oh,
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this is amazing. It's like the most insane marital advice.
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Yes.
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And so I do a play on that. Right.
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You've inhabited, this inspired you to become this woman.
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I am her now.
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That's a great But it's as if these albums were found.
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So it sounds like a record from the 60s.
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It's kind of vintage and it's all produced.
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It's so good.
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Yeah, it's really fun. And I love doing it. And
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it takes a lot of work because I edit it
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and do all the sound design. So it's been a
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while since I've done a season.
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Amanda is a more legitimate, I will say, no, Matt's
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super legitimate podcaster. I'm a total fraud and you're a
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total fraud, Sona. You guys are the real deal. That's
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very cool. Yeah.
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Well, I can get on the little computer and do
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a little sound design.
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She's got it for my job.
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Is this woman still alive?
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You know what? Last I checked, she wasn't. She's now
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an artist and you can she does like paintings of horses.
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Give me an example of some of the advice this
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woman was giving women in the 70s or the 60s. So, OK, yes.
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So this is OK. So this woman was a direct
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response to second wave feminism. She was like, no, it's
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ruining marriages. Like, we have to get away from this.
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And it was all, it was based in evangelicalism.
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Is that the word?
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Okay.
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And so she was basically like, we can't be feminist.
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It's ruining our lives. We have to empower ourselves to
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make our husbands happy.
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Yes.
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Okay. No, you're going to like some of this stuff.
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I feel heard.
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No.
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And seen.
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Conan's legit going to like some of this stuff. And so, okay,
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one of her... okay how about this um uh the
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only way to stop a man from cheating is to
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let him cheat with you okay okay and like she
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means like okay she means get a wig yeah.
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Get away yeah get.
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Away i was telling lies and get away get away
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wasn't she dressing up like a native american.
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Yeah but she calls it an indian princess and guess
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what her kids love it too.
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Oh my Oh, my God.
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Who is this lady?
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Tell us about the cellophane.
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Okay. And then another one of her ideas. And this,
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she was on the cover of Time Magazine.
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Okay.
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This woman was a sensation.
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Oh, wow.
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Okay.
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People know her if you ask a woman of a
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certain generation. So she suggests if you don't have the
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money for a full-on costume, just wrap yourself in cellophane
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and go-go boots with nothing underneath and answer the door
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when he gets home from work with a crisp martini.
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And this was actually referenced in Fried Green Tomatoes, I believe.
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What?
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Yeah. In the movie Fried Green Tomatoes, one of the
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characters does that to spice up the marriage.
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I haven't seen it in a long time, but that's
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what the internet says.
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She's a hoe.
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Yeah, she is. I love it. Just be naked. Yeah. Also,
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if you want to stop your husband from cheating, which
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is any moral thing to do, it's your job to
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let him cheat with you, which means it would be
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so confusing because then you'd play a character. The guy
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would spend most of the time bitching about his wife
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to you. The sex is terrible. Well, well, that's too bad.
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Oh, God.
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It's so strange. So she's dropped all that now.
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I don't know what the lady's up to, but I
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just love her. And I hope she's still with us.
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I'm going to Google it after I leave here today.
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I'll send you guys an email with an update.
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If you could put it in.
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The show notes.
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Now, I'm going to ask you some personal questions. Has
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Matt ever come home just steaming mad about Conan and his...
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That prick. I can't believe I had to put up
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with him today. And then you have to give him
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a martini and wrap him in cellophane. Does that ever happen?
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To shut him up.
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It's only happened like once.
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Well, let's talk about that.
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Okay, we'll leave it alone.
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Not often.
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Not often.
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Not often.
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Oh man, there's something here. Yeah. Do I probe more
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or do I leave it alone?
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Go for it.
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Oh, go for it.
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Okay, Maxine, go for it.
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Listen, look, I think I'm a fun guy to work with,
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but I'm sure there have been moments. We all have moments.
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No, he loves this job. We're so happy to be here.
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Thank you for having me.
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Can I just say something? Thank you for having us.
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You're becoming the woman again. I know. She wants this
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verbal cellophane. She's like, I just have to keep this
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red-haired man happy.
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No, but one more tip real quick. Okay, so if
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you want your husband... to take out the trash, but
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you don't want to nag, obviously. So you go, ooh, honey,
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your arms look so strong when you take out the trash.
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This is just manipulation.
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Oh my Lord. I love it.
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I do love her.
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Yeah.
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I thought she was going to say, there's a hot
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chick out by the trash can. You should walk over
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that way with the trash. And then she has to
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put a wig on and run over there and go, hiya,
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big boy.
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What's great about this woman, though, she ended up being
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the breadwinner because she was such a sensation. And she
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would go like head to head with the actual feminists
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of the time, like on talk shows and stuff.
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Oh, and she would debate them.
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Yeah, she was a complete like spectacle.
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She's like the OG trad wife.
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Yes, she was.
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Yeah.
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And exactly making all the money, too.
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Yeah.
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So that's why I love her because she's just crazy.
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Thank you.
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How do you like to unwind?
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How do you like to relax? What's a good day
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for you when this one's out of the house? You
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get to just chill.
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Off with my Indian princess.
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Who looks suspiciously like Amanda.
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I love to kick my feet up. I love to
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unwind with a little bit of reality television.
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You know, I love when people cup their hands into
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a microphone.
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You know, you just made it louder.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I know. But there's no... Listen, you will not be
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shamed here about reality television.
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I will.
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Because Liza's been getting into the Real Housewives lately of,
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I think, Beverly Hills. Yeah, I watched it. She says
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it's particularly nutty right now. And.
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Yeah. I, you know, I, I don't publicly speak about
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reality television, not for any reason, just no one's ever
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asked me. Um, but I, I will say.
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Like policy of yours until someone asks you, I will
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not murder unless given the opportunity or asked to murder.
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I have morals. I have morals.
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I just don't have a friend to talk to about it.
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And I don't want to talk to anyone out loud
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about it. But a lot of really dignified women watch
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these shows. Like Michelle Obama watches some reality television. Liza.
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Yep. Yep. Liza is the mission.
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Are you looking at me?
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I'm like, do I watch?
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I abandoned a lot of my reality shows.
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You did?
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Why?
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I think now, because my time in front of the
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TV is so finite, that I like my sexy shows.
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I like shows where people are banging.
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Can I just say, you talked about how a lot
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of classy people. The amazing, legendary director Werner Herzog was
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here when he did the podcast. And I said, how
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do you like to... And he said, sometimes I like
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to watch these reality shows to observe Honey Boo Boo.
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And I thought, okay, if Werner Herzog is watching Honey
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Boo Boo.
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Yeah, it's true.
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We're all okay.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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No, it's fine.
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I like it.
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I mean, I get too into it, though.
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Like, I really want to watch Love Island, but it's
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like a huge commitment.
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Yeah, I can't. I have not gotten into that.
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I'll say this again. Each one of those people burns
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about two calories an episode. They sit down. They talk
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and then one of them might stand up and lead
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them to a slightly different area that's three feet away
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to have a separate talk.
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Matt told me you said that.
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It's true.
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Or it's a bad take.
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Does Matt ever come home and go, Conan said the
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funniest thing today?
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Well, he does say like he told me that and
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he said, you might be interested in this that Conan said.
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Oh, that's nice. I have a question.
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Yeah.
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Does he have too many projects?
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Yes.
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Is he always tinkering and doing things? And is it annoying?
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Yes, I can answer for him.
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Definitely.
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He does love a project.
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Yeah.
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In your defense, I've been over to your house and
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he's very talented. He'll say, oh, I built this. I
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built that. And clearly you are quite handy. But yeah,
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he does seem like someone who is always tinkering in
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the corner.
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Yes, like the latest project is, okay, so he's got
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the back house, right, which is like our little, his
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podcast studio, number two, second to this one. And, okay,
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so in the.
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on the wall.
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Wait a minute, he's doing these other podcasts? I won't
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have it.
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Okay, on the wall, there's, okay, a guitar case with
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a guitar in it, but it's not just a guitar case.
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You open it up and a bar comes down and
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inside it's a hidden closet and inside the closet are like,
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booze shelves that are lit from below yeah um.
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He is a crafty alcoholic and then he made a
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bassinet but it's really a beer dispenser giant flask yeah
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yeah it's i'm noticing a theme here i know uh
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no that but you are you're very good at it
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but i just think there must be times where you
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think you put down that screwdriver right now let's tango yeah.
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Yeah yeah there listen there's i support the projects but
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in there are certain projects i'm like 100 behind and
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some that i'm just like just turned a blind eye
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to and i go let him have his fun you.
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Know what i mean As long.
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As he's in the door by 6 p.m., what do
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I care what he's doing with the first, you know,
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10 hours of the day?
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Wow.
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I start podcasting probably at 5.30 a.m.
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Every morning. You can do anything you want as long
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as you're home by 6. That's an incredible leeway that
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you're getting. Yeah. Liza's having me to do anything as
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long as I don't come home. OK, this is a
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fair question, I think. But is there anything that Matt
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does routinely that sort of rankles you a little bit
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that it doesn't have to be anything terrible, but just
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is like, oh, my, you know, because my wife has
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plenty of those.
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Oh, like a pet peeve.
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Yeah.
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Oh, this is like a question. OK, this is a
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real question. OK, well, OK, this he doesn't do it
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as much anymore, but he used to wear noise canceling
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headphones like around the house listening to podcasts. So I
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would talk and then there'd be no answer and that
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i didn't like that and so i we talked.
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About it that's why that's why you got a podcast
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just just so you could talk to your husband welcome
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back to hello matt Can you please put the tuna
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salad back in the refrigerator?
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00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:09.920
Your arms look great when you take out the trash.
508
00:22:11.789 --> 00:22:14.769
We talked about it. Your legs look great when you
509
00:22:14.789 --> 00:22:18.609
get the fuck out of here. We had a.
510
00:22:18.589 --> 00:22:21.529
Serious discussion about it, but I was wearing noise-canceling headphones
511
00:22:21.869 --> 00:22:22.230
at the time.
512
00:22:22.250 --> 00:22:24.269
Oh my God. But now what he does is he
513
00:22:24.309 --> 00:22:25.970
just plays them out loud on the phone.
514
00:22:26.190 --> 00:22:28.599
Wait, not that often though, do I? Do I need
515
00:22:28.630 --> 00:22:29.960
to scale this back?
516
00:22:30.059 --> 00:22:35.980
Listen, I'm cool. I'm easy peasy. I'm like, I'm being
517
00:22:36.019 --> 00:22:38.500
put on the spot to say a pet peeve.
518
00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:40.500
You know, I think.
519
00:22:43.349 --> 00:22:45.730
We found... This is an area where maybe there could
520
00:22:45.789 --> 00:22:49.890
be some improvement. And I think of this series as
521
00:22:49.930 --> 00:22:52.799
a little bit of marriage counseling. You know, it's a chance.
522
00:22:53.339 --> 00:22:57.160
And the healthiest marriages can use with a little discussion,
523
00:22:57.579 --> 00:23:00.569
except for mine. Or maybe I can talk, but I
524
00:23:00.569 --> 00:23:01.819
don't want anyone else to type it up.
525
00:23:01.930 --> 00:23:03.000
Oh, you guys will like this.
526
00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:03.339
Okay.
527
00:23:03.380 --> 00:23:06.859
So this is like my talk show story that I
528
00:23:06.859 --> 00:23:07.539
wanted to bring on.
529
00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:07.980
Yeah.
530
00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:11.059
Okay. So this is something about you that surprised me.
531
00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:11.859
Okay.
532
00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:14.000
So Matt and I had been, and it kind of
533
00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:16.430
goes back to like the question of like your, your
534
00:23:16.470 --> 00:23:20.509
hobbies and like his, is he, how you perceive him
535
00:23:20.549 --> 00:23:21.869
or how you display him on the podcast?
536
00:23:22.230 --> 00:23:22.410
Okay.
537
00:23:22.430 --> 00:23:24.069
So Matt and I have been dating for like a
538
00:23:24.130 --> 00:23:26.190
couple of years at this point. It was in our
539
00:23:26.309 --> 00:23:28.470
old apartment and, And in our bedroom, there was like
540
00:23:28.529 --> 00:23:31.430
this old vintage trunk that we were using just as
541
00:23:31.490 --> 00:23:33.410
a bench. Like I just thought it was a decorative trunk.
542
00:23:33.450 --> 00:23:34.009
I never thought.
543
00:23:34.029 --> 00:23:36.349
You sit on it, you put your work boots on,
544
00:23:36.390 --> 00:23:37.470
you head out the door. Yes.
545
00:23:38.150 --> 00:23:40.599
And I never thought to open it. And so one
546
00:23:40.640 --> 00:23:42.299
day I was just like, oh, I wonder if this
547
00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:44.799
could be storage for something. And I open it and
548
00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:51.259
inside there are hundreds of t-shirts, novelty Shakespeare t-shirts. And
549
00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:55.970
for years he had been selling these t-shirts online. hand-drawn
550
00:23:56.390 --> 00:23:59.480
Shakespeare art in these t-shirts on a website. He had
551
00:23:59.500 --> 00:24:03.109
a whole website domain and he never disclosed this to me.
552
00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:05.660
You had a secret website?
553
00:24:05.740 --> 00:24:07.150
I was not hiding it.
554
00:24:08.089 --> 00:24:12.309
The business had like withered to a near death.
555
00:24:12.450 --> 00:24:13.670
It wasn't even, I wasn't even.
556
00:24:13.690 --> 00:24:14.250
Oh, really?
557
00:24:14.369 --> 00:24:20.990
There's not big money in bespoke, cool Shakespeare t-shirts? Explain
558
00:24:21.009 --> 00:24:21.970
to me what these even are.
559
00:24:22.009 --> 00:24:22.809
What do they look like?
560
00:24:23.009 --> 00:24:24.250
Okay, I had this.
561
00:24:25.109 --> 00:24:26.390
He still sells them.
562
00:24:26.650 --> 00:24:29.549
You still sell them? Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
563
00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:34.240
Wait a minute. Can you describe, I'm not going to
564
00:24:34.279 --> 00:24:36.059
go to him. You can't speak for a second. Amanda,
565
00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:38.079
describe just what one of these whitey- I already put
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00:24:38.099 --> 00:24:38.990
the wrap sign up.
567
00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:39.140
Okay.
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I just had to say this.
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00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:44.019
It was like a white t-shirt with like a hand-drawn
570
00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:48.630
ink line portrait of like, I don't know, like Hamlet.
571
00:24:48.730 --> 00:24:49.940
What happened to Hamlet again?
572
00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:51.079
Nothing good.
573
00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:54.920
His dad died. Married his mom? Am I thinking about Oedipus?
574
00:24:54.940 --> 00:24:55.960
No, that's Oedipus.
575
00:24:56.039 --> 00:24:57.900
Okay, and there'd be like a quote underneath it that
576
00:24:57.940 --> 00:24:58.720
was like a joke.
577
00:24:59.059 --> 00:24:59.779
They were humorous.
578
00:24:59.839 --> 00:25:01.940
So it was just Hamlet lying dead on the ground
579
00:25:01.980 --> 00:25:04.099
and the quote was not to be. And so I
580
00:25:04.140 --> 00:25:07.740
would sell these to Shakespeare festivals as like merchandise for
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00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:09.180
their plays and stuff like that.
582
00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:11.470
Look, I'm not proud. You went to Shakespeare festivals? No, no,
583
00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:14.109
but here's what fascinates me. It fascinates me a couple
584
00:25:14.190 --> 00:25:17.150
of things here. I'm imagining it's not a huge bedroom
585
00:25:17.210 --> 00:25:19.599
because you're a young couple. You haven't even gotten married yet.
586
00:25:19.619 --> 00:25:25.200
He's living off of T-shirt dough from Shakespeare festivals.
587
00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:27.940
Hey, we're living in the house that those Shakespeare T-shirts built.
588
00:25:27.980 --> 00:25:29.700
He told me he was a teacher. He did not
589
00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:31.960
mention that he was running this company.
590
00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:32.400
Right.
591
00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:33.849
He tells a lot of people he's a teacher. Why
592
00:25:33.869 --> 00:25:36.589
did you tell her? Were you embarrassed? This company is generous. No,
593
00:25:36.670 --> 00:25:39.069
it had just died. I wasn't doing anything. That's why
594
00:25:39.089 --> 00:25:41.269
they're sitting in the trunk. You know what I love here?
595
00:25:41.789 --> 00:25:48.180
Your wife, fiance catches you, your secret activity on the
596
00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:53.180
internet late at night. And it's not robot porn. It's
597
00:25:53.759 --> 00:26:00.599
watching its t-shirt, a t-shirt company with puns about Hamlet.
598
00:26:00.619 --> 00:26:02.859
In many ways, it would have been better if I
599
00:26:02.900 --> 00:26:03.619
had a mistress.
600
00:26:03.700 --> 00:26:04.089
Yes.
601
00:26:04.549 --> 00:26:07.049
It would have been so much better. You'd have been
602
00:26:07.150 --> 00:26:09.589
so much happier if it was just, if it was just,
603
00:26:09.869 --> 00:26:12.230
you opened it up and it's just hundreds of thousands
604
00:26:12.250 --> 00:26:13.109
of VHS cassettes.
605
00:26:13.150 --> 00:26:14.369
Yeah, or dildos.
606
00:26:14.509 --> 00:26:15.730
If it was just dildos.
607
00:26:15.769 --> 00:26:19.099
Dildos. You'd be like, oh, well, yeah, we can resell these.
608
00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:21.460
Hose them down and resell them.
609
00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:21.700
Re-sell.
610
00:26:22.180 --> 00:26:24.680
I think I just sat there quietly and just waited
611
00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:27.170
for him to get home and was like, how do I,
612
00:26:27.579 --> 00:26:28.579
what do I say?
613
00:26:28.599 --> 00:26:30.349
The secret life. And so what did you, you just said,
614
00:26:30.430 --> 00:26:33.109
explain this. And you held up a t-shirt.
615
00:26:34.029 --> 00:26:34.650
I did.
616
00:26:34.829 --> 00:26:35.470
And then.
617
00:26:36.170 --> 00:26:37.430
You're bringing in one of these t-shirts.
618
00:26:37.450 --> 00:26:38.119
Yeah, you have to.
619
00:26:38.130 --> 00:26:39.049
Yeah, you are. Yeah, you are.
620
00:26:39.250 --> 00:26:40.079
I gave them all away.
621
00:26:40.119 --> 00:26:40.710
Oh, here we go.
622
00:26:40.730 --> 00:26:41.500
Yeah.
623
00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:44.859
I've known, I've known Matt for maybe. 14 years at
624
00:26:45.019 --> 00:26:46.880
this point. And I've never heard of this before. I've
625
00:26:46.940 --> 00:26:48.859
never heard the story and it must have been happening
626
00:26:49.660 --> 00:26:51.799
while we've known each other. And the fact that you
627
00:26:51.819 --> 00:26:54.299
had an entire business is just, it's, it shouldn't be
628
00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:56.420
shocking because of what it is, but it's just shocking
629
00:26:56.440 --> 00:26:58.940
that it exists. I mean, it really.
630
00:26:58.779 --> 00:27:01.119
Is like if I was just, if I make landmines
631
00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:04.769
in my spare time. And bury him around, you know?
632
00:27:04.829 --> 00:27:05.769
It's just as shocking.
633
00:27:05.809 --> 00:27:07.670
Well, honey, do you want to plug your website? Because
634
00:27:07.710 --> 00:27:08.910
it's still live. I don't.
635
00:27:09.009 --> 00:27:10.210
No, the website is.
636
00:27:10.230 --> 00:27:13.029
But it's on Redbubble. It's on Redbubble. And every time
637
00:27:13.069 --> 00:27:15.319
he makes a sale now, he forwards me the email.
638
00:27:15.420 --> 00:27:17.680
And people are buying, like, the sticker version of it.
639
00:27:17.740 --> 00:27:20.759
So it'll be, like, 88 cents for, like, this, like,
640
00:27:20.859 --> 00:27:22.000
Ophelia sticker.
641
00:27:22.019 --> 00:27:22.240
See?
642
00:27:22.339 --> 00:27:24.319
It's paying off. Can we plug it on Redbubble?
643
00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:24.480
No.
644
00:27:24.539 --> 00:27:25.329
How do people find it?
645
00:27:25.339 --> 00:27:28.549
Oh. We need the money.
646
00:27:29.009 --> 00:27:31.529
Oh, my God. Things are tough at the Gourley House.
647
00:27:32.049 --> 00:27:35.329
Go listen to The Complete Woman. That's where you should go.
648
00:27:35.349 --> 00:27:40.880
All right. Well, your podcast, The Complete Woman, sounds hilarious.
649
00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:45.069
Thank you. Um, I'm going to investigate this business of yours, Matt,
650
00:27:45.089 --> 00:27:47.559
and there's nothing you can do about it. Um, I
651
00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:49.900
am curious. I know I've been given the rap like
652
00:27:49.900 --> 00:27:54.460
15 times, but you're extremely entertaining. How did you guys meet? Like,
653
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:56.880
what was that? The cute meat? How did it go?
654
00:27:56.980 --> 00:27:57.180
Yeah.
655
00:27:57.200 --> 00:27:57.680
The cute meat.
656
00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:00.420
It was, um, a trash can was following you home.
657
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:01.089
I'm sorry.
658
00:28:01.109 --> 00:28:01.289
Yeah.
659
00:28:01.609 --> 00:28:07.430
Yeah. We did not meet at Disney, although we worked
660
00:28:07.450 --> 00:28:11.190
there together for years and never crossed paths that we remember.
661
00:28:11.329 --> 00:28:15.309
But we met at Universal Studios Hollywood, the entertainment capital
662
00:28:15.329 --> 00:28:19.369
of L.A. And in an orientation, anyone who's been to
663
00:28:19.410 --> 00:28:23.150
Universal probably has seen on the New York street. They
664
00:28:23.190 --> 00:28:24.970
have like these New York people who hang out of
665
00:28:25.009 --> 00:28:28.259
a window are like, hey, like pepperoni or whatever. So.
666
00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:33.220
Pepperoni.
667
00:28:33.700 --> 00:28:35.059
I love that. Yeah.
668
00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:37.599
So for one summer they were trying, they had a
669
00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:40.329
little like British street and they were like, well, let's
670
00:28:40.369 --> 00:28:42.890
put some British people hanging out of the window. And
671
00:28:42.930 --> 00:28:44.930
Matt and I were hired to do this job. And
672
00:28:45.450 --> 00:28:47.650
we met at orientation and it was.
673
00:28:48.309 --> 00:28:50.839
Your line was English pepperoni.
674
00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:54.299
But we met at orientation and it was like love
675
00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:55.680
at first speak.
676
00:28:55.940 --> 00:28:56.980
Yeah.
677
00:28:57.079 --> 00:28:57.680
So right away.
678
00:28:58.079 --> 00:28:58.619
Right away.
679
00:28:58.700 --> 00:29:00.980
And then by the end of the orientation day, we
680
00:29:01.019 --> 00:29:03.180
were going up, you know, like those big escalators they
681
00:29:03.220 --> 00:29:05.079
have for the parking structures. He and I were on
682
00:29:05.099 --> 00:29:07.660
the escalator together and there was a couple in front
683
00:29:07.700 --> 00:29:12.519
of us. And they were both wearing Benicio del Toro werewolf.
684
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:13.420
What's it called?
685
00:29:13.460 --> 00:29:14.819
The Wolfman shirts.
686
00:29:14.900 --> 00:29:15.759
Bowling shirts.
687
00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:16.180
Yes.
688
00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:19.109
That had big wraparound graphics of Benicio del Toro as
689
00:29:19.140 --> 00:29:19.740
the Wolfman.
690
00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:21.789
Right. And you thought, I could make a t-shirt better
691
00:29:21.809 --> 00:29:23.250
than that. And I did.
692
00:29:23.670 --> 00:29:24.049
And I did.
693
00:29:24.069 --> 00:29:25.569
And I turned around and I said, that's going to
694
00:29:25.589 --> 00:29:29.109
be us in 20 years. Oh. And then it is.
695
00:29:29.170 --> 00:29:30.609
In five years, that's what we'll be doing.
696
00:29:30.630 --> 00:29:31.630
Yeah, that's what we'll be doing.
697
00:29:31.690 --> 00:29:31.849
Yeah.
698
00:29:32.069 --> 00:29:37.079
That's really sweet. Yeah. Also, you brought. your little kids
699
00:29:37.099 --> 00:29:38.299
in today, which was really sweet.
700
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:39.029
Yeah.
701
00:29:39.150 --> 00:29:39.890
That's lovely. Yeah.
702
00:29:40.329 --> 00:29:41.130
Our new little baby.
703
00:29:41.150 --> 00:29:45.299
That is the smilingest baby I've ever seen. Mm-hmm. Just amazing.
704
00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:48.859
And then, until I showed up. I started smiling at everybody,
705
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:53.259
and then I was like, hiya, kid. Amanda, thank you
706
00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:57.759
so much for coming in. Really cool. And this is fascinating.
707
00:29:58.359 --> 00:30:00.599
And then there's going to be an episode where... Just
708
00:30:00.630 --> 00:30:01.940
you guys talk. Wow.
709
00:30:02.460 --> 00:30:03.460
Are you guys scared?
710
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:05.240
Yeah, I think we might lose the podcast.
711
00:30:05.339 --> 00:30:08.039
We're thinking, yeah, I think this could be a problem.
712
00:30:08.220 --> 00:30:09.220
But you know what?
713
00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:10.279
I'm happy.
714
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:11.299
We ran our course.
715
00:30:11.339 --> 00:30:11.859
Yeah, we did.
716
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:14.039
We did. We had a good run. Put us down.
717
00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:14.660
Put us down.
718
00:30:14.819 --> 00:30:15.539
We had a good run.
719
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:15.799
All right.
720
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:17.680
Thank you very much, Amanda.
721
00:30:19.869 --> 00:30:23.630
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