ABOUT THIS EPISODE
Across the world, a new conversation is emerging—a conversation about the future of civilization itself.As our existing systems reach their limits, we face an urgent crossroads: one path leads toward collapse, another toward increasing control and centralization. But a growing chorus of thinkers, visionaries, and cultural pioneers are pointing to a third possibility—a conscious, regenerative, and life-affirming future.This series of conversations explores that possibility.While we draw on the term Third Attractor—popularized by Daniel Schmachtenberger—this vision is part of a larger movement of aligned ideas: Regenerative Civilization, Metamodern Society, Game B, The More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know Is Possible, Planetary Civilization, The Integral Age, The Great Transition, Symbiotic Civilization, The Noosphere, Civilizational Awakening, and the Second Renaissance.Each points toward a future rooted in wholeness, complexity, interconnection, and evolution.Over the next four months, I’ll be speaking with thought leaders and cultural change-agents who are helping to shape this emerging reality. We’ll explore what must die, what wants to be born, and how we might co-create a path forward that honors the full depth of our humanity and the profound challenges of our time.These conversations are not just about ideas—they are about activating the future, together.Robb Smith is founder of the Institute of Applied Metatheory and a leading voice in integral philosophy and the global integrative metatheory movement. He coined the term the Transformation Age and is CEO and co-founder of Integral Life, a hub of the integral movement. He previously founded Chrysallis, the world’s most comprehensive human development app, recognized by Goldman Sachs and IONS before being acquired in 2016. Robb also served as CEO of Integral Institute, which applied integral metatheory across 60 academic fields and published the Journal of Integral Theory and Practice.Earlier in his career, he co-founded Nevada Ventures, the state’s first venture capital fund, and was a founding member of the Conscious Capitalism movement. He has served on corporate boards, co-founded Nevada Nano, and helped build Nevada’s innovation economy. Named Nevada’s Young Entrepreneur of the Year and appearing on “Top 20 under 40” lists in three decades, he has been a fellow of the Aspen Institute and Desert Research Institute, and was nominated for the TED Prize.Website: https://appliedmetatheory.org/Whitepaper mentioned in our conversation: https://appliedmetatheory.org/a-sociology-of-big-pictures/Daniela Bomatter, originally from Switzerland, is a former Software Engineer who progressed into various leadership roles, ultimately serving as the CEO of SwissEnergy at the Federal Office of Energy in Switzerland.She is the co-founder of Manifest Nirvana (www.manifest-nirvana.com ) and a senior practitioner of Evolutionary Enlightenment. She was a long-term student of Andrew Cohen and was closely studying, working and living with him from 2016 to 2025.She lives in Tiruvannamalai, India, in a Small Sustainable Village (https://www.giamantraglobalvillage.com/) where she runs the Manifest Nirvana Ashram, where the in person - events of Manifest Nirvana happen. She recently published the book "The Viratya Myth begins" (www.viratya.com)
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