You Opened The Box Again - Hellbound: Hellraiser II (1988)

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You can run, but you can't hide from the Class Horrorcast.
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Haunting you from the Emerald Isle, your host, Aaron Doyle,
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takes you on a journey to the depths of horror.
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With exclusive interviews, horror news, reviews, and more. Tickets, please.
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You are about to enter the Theater of the Mad.
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Enjoy the show.
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Everybody, welcome, welcome. This one is weird, man. I don't know.
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I've got to get my notes out.
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It's all right. I could not remember this one for life, me.
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Me either. What we're talking about.
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Guys, is Hellbound Hellraiser 2. So Hellbound was supposed to
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be the name that Clive Barker wanted for the original movie,
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but they said, nah, it's not really, kind of sounds
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like some sexy romance thing, so we're not really interested
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in that. Obviously, Tom's talked about the Hellbound heart before,
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so that's where that all kind of comes from. yeah
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I couldn't really remember if you would have asked me
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like two three weeks ago oh yeah what what like
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what's hell res or two about I'd be like I
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have no idea.
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You know what I would say?
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I would be like, um, she's in a hospital and
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then like a door opens and they come out. Cause
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that's all I could really remember. And there's a reason
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probably why I, like I said, I absolutely love the
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first one. I think it's kind of a masterpiece in
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regards to how, like it's, it's like slasher, but very different.
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And then this one just goes off the rails.
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I will say, right. There's parts of this movie I despise,
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but there's also parts of this movie. I actually don't
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mind that much. which I didn't think I would say.
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The guy who wrote the screenplay, Peter Atkins, I actually
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had him on the show. I think I mentioned this before,
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but I had him on the show a couple of
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years back. I have attempted to have him back on
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the show, but I don't know how that's going to
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work out. The movie was directed by Tony Randall, who
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done The 1992 Amityville movie and ticks. If you've ever
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seen that, that like kind of weird B movie about ticks,
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killer ticks.
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Wow.
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There's actually a movie about ticks.
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Yep.
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Did Bill Gates like fundraise it?
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I don't think so. A budget of $ 3 million box
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office of 12 million. I suppose for 1988, I guess
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is not so bad.
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Yeah.
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I don't know. Weird. I, first impressions. I don't know.
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What do you think?
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It's like there, okay.
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There is a redeeming qualities or redeem. Uh, and there's like,
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there's this weird things about it. I, there's like scenes,
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like I wrote down, I don't know.
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I can't even remember why I wrote this down. I
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put destroy, destroy the mattress. Okay. Crazy lady.
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Cause I think that's at the beginning when they're like,
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you have to destroy the mattress or whatever. And it's like,
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And I even wrote that, like, there's the asylum. It's
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kind of scary. But even, like, one thing I will
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say about this, the skinned Julia is unsettling.
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Yeah, at first, you know, at first I was like, ah,
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we're using this again. But then, actually, it kind of works.
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So, there was.
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There was parts I liked about it, but then when
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they go into like the hellscape or whatever you want
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to call it, the, the Cinnabite dimension, it just goes
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so far off the rails. And I'm like, I don't know, man.
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It's very weird.
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Like I did say makeup effects are on point in
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some of the scenes. There is some elements to it.
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I like, but like, there's just, I don't know if
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we want to bounce around, but there's so many weird things.
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Like when he comes back, Bradley, Doug Bradley's character, the pinhead.
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And it's like, It's just him in the costume and
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it looks.
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Weird, man.
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Which now, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. When he like transforms back.
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Yeah.
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And then he dies and it's just like, there's so
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many problems with this.
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I don't know.
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It's just, I could, we could bounce around, but like there's,
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there's just problematic things about it.
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Some of like the gore is unsettling.
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I'm like, you know, I made Chelsea watch some of
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it and she's just obviously on her phone. Cause she doesn't,
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my wife, she doesn't want to watch it. And then
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there's just so much screaming in it. Like so much yelling.
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I'd like turn it down. Cause the baby was, it's
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like crazy. Like how much like screaming and yelling are
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in some parts. And I'm like, man, imagine being in
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the theaters. But like the first one was like interesting
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and weird and people liked it. So I get like
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why there would be a decent turnout. Cause you, and
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especially like the poster, that's what really used to drop
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people in, man. People would see them, the worst movies
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because of the poster.
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Yeah, that's cool.
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Yeah I mean like so right I get I definitely
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agree with a lot of what you're saying but then
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I'm like part of me part of me is like
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I don't know there's a lot of things I do
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like about the movie like some of the gore scenes
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man are absolutely.
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Fucked That's why I wrote down some of the makeup
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effects and the gore is crazy.
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It's so funny. On the poster, it says, more over Freddy,
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Pinhead is the new horror hero.
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No, no. That's what I want to see. I want
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to see Pinhead versus Freddy Krueger. Cause that they're both
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hell characters.
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Essentially. That's, Oh man, we have to do this.
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We have to do like an episode where we like
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put like, like a slasher killers up against each other
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and then rate. And then there's a way we can
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do this or do like a tier list. We have
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to do some of that fun stuff, especially if we
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can do some live streams and I can send it
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on my side too and stuff. Cause that just sounds fun, man,
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because I'd be rooting for Freddie.
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I'm not going to lie. I like pinhead. but Freddy's
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going to take it. He's going to molest him with those.
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I have fingers.
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What was I going to say? There was something you said.
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Sorry, I would have told you the gore effects.
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And then I had a thought there and I'm trying
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to find out where the note was, where I was like,
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Oh yeah, I remember that thing. Oh yeah, that was it. The,
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the scene with the mental patient dude, remember the doctor, Dr.
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Channing or Channing or something. Chanard.
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Yeah. I did write the asylum. It's creepy.
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When that dude, remember the guy, I can't remember the
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character's names. This is awful. he's hiding in his office
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behind the curtain and the doctor comes back with one
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of the mental patients and he ties him to the,
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or no, he puts him down on the mattress and
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doesn't he give him a knife or like a fucking
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piece of glass or something?
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Yeah, and gets him to start cutting himself. That's disturbing.
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Now that is disturbing. And do you want to know
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what's even more disturbing? That I think, I don't know
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if there is a deleted scene or there was something
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that was filmed and hasn't been shown or I didn't
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really dig too much into it because I knew I
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wasn't going to be able to show it on screen anyway.
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But apparently the original intention there, or maybe some of
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what they had shot that was removed, was Clive and stuff.
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The intention there was, in the story, was to have
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him cut his genitals off with the razor. Jesus.
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Doing some hostile shit.
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Which is like... but I don't know why I found
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that part where he was cutting himself extremely disturbing and
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it goes on like you said he's screaming and it
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goes on for way too long I'm like looking at
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it going what is it why.
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Is it still going on yeah that's why when I
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was watching it and like Chelsea's just on her phone
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and my baby's upstairs I'm like this is like non-stop
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screaming blood everywhere it's like that's why I wrote down
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that it is it was a disturbing scene and that's
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like and that's what like Hellraiser is essentially like A
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lot of slasher films, sure, there's some crazy kills, and
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there's some gore.
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Even with Friday the 13th, there's gore, but it's not
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like Hellraiser, man.
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It's not where it's just like there's just blood and
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guts and gore and just things going.
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It's crazy.
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And he's essentially, because he uses the mattress to get
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him to cut himself, so then it drops blood on it,
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so then it brings back. But why does he, because
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he's researching it, he thinks.
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I think there was a whole backstory of him that
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you don't really get to come across that much, but
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he's supposed to be like, because you see parts where
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it shows his room, his office or whatever, and there's
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all drawings of occult symbols and there's a chalkboard with
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all symbols on it. There's Egyptian drawings. There's replicas of
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the box. So he's supposed to be super into the
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occult and stuff.
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I'd actually want the lament box. I have. That'd be cool.
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I want to get one for fun. Yeah, you can
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pick those up, dude, for like super cheap. I went
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even further. I got it tattooed on my fucking arm.
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That's pretty cool. They say that it's going to kill
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us one day or something. There's all these like studies now.
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It is what it is.
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Everything is killing me at this point, right? I drank
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a glass of milk earlier and I was like looking
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at it and I was like, this is probably full
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of chemicals and poison. Great.
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Yes.
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Here's a conspiracy theory for you. I was like, uh,
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I was like, maybe nevermind.
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But I was like the, the only time the Rothschilds
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ever went to the British parliament was to, uh, one
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to sign, to get them to go to Israel.
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That's the first one.
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Also to, uh, also to make unpasteurized milk illegal.
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Why would they do that? Why would they do that?
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That's kind of scary.
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Yeah.
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So I drank that milk over there.
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Yeah. He's going to have the moobs going again.
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I haven't got rid of him in the first place.
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It's not the Heineken, then it's the dairy.
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It's so crazy.
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What else did I?
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Oh, yeah.
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When the doctor dude. So I thought this stuff was
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really cool, right? I'm not going to lie. I didn't
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think I was going to say this or like this,
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but when the doctor changes into a centibite, I kind
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of liked it. Now, I will say. So, okay, that
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comes with a couple of caveats, right? Let me just,
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before you tear me a new one, just... hear me out. Yes,
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he kind of looks like a shittier version of Pinhead.
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Yes.
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And it feels like that they just put slashes on
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his face and made him blue. The weird egg homunculus
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thing that's stuck on his head, not really about that either.
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Don't really get it. That weird yolk is like.
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But the way they did it, But.
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Something about the way he moves with his head tilted
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back because the thing is like pulling his head. And
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when he delivers some of the lines when he's talking,
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I was like, okay, that's kind of freaky and disturbing.
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Yeah, I will say there's parts like that, especially at
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the beginning when he transforms into a Cenobite, but almost
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like an overlord Cenobite because he has power over the
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rest of them, and he literally changes them back into
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their human form, which I thought was also kind of
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weird because they didn't really explain, but I guess his
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obsession with it, and even when he turns, he likes it.
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Even I wrote down when he.
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When it's like Mommy Julia, when they wrap her up
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in bandages, and then he kisses her, I literally wrote down,
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Mommy Julia is creepy, ew. And I did like 17 Ws.
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Ew.
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And I was like making out, ew, gross. Because it
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is like a gross scene, right? But one thing I
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didn't like was... can you take him off screen for
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a second? I just want to show you what it is.
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What there's, I literally wrote down the doctor flying around
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is so dumb. Like when he's like, has it, when
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it's just like, there's nothing on the set.
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It's just so much.
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It's so bad.
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Just going across the scene. I was like, what the fuck?
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That's the weirdest way to do that. And it's just like,
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it's just from the top of the screen down. And
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then it's just him floating across in this abyss, hell,
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hellscape land. You know, and I just thought it was,
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it was just so bizarre. Like the, I'd like when
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he turns into him, it's interesting. And like, but then
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it is like a ripoff of pinhead, essentially.
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I just, I don't know. There's a better way to
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do this and to have him some overlord. That's yeah.
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It has the, some suction thing to his head. And
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then he's just floating around all the time in that
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hell world.
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It's weird, right?
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Because sometimes when they show him, say, from an angle
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like this, for example, he looks really badass and kind
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of cool and weird there, right? And I'm like, okay,
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I can kind of get into that. But then, like
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you said, then it's really jarring because, like, five minutes later,
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they show him super exposed onto, like, a painted wall
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and he's going like, shh, and flying along like he's
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on a fucking, like, an electric wheelchair or something.
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I'm like, wow, that is terrible.
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Yeah, it's so weird.
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That's why I'm like, cause there's one scene and it's
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like all foggy and it's just like a wide shot.
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And it's just him like, like flying across the set.
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I'm like, this is terrible. And there's so much effects.
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There's so much effects of like, just like bizarre, weird,
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almost practical with some CGI.
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And it just, I don't know, man.
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So there's a part that really, really rubs me up
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the wrong way. Right. And yeah, Now look again, I
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can't knock this because like I've never made anything and
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I don't know how difficult it is to actually do
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some of this stuff and whatever, right? But one thing
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that I felt really jarring was like, like you said,
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it's like some of the effects are like really, really
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well done and look really good. Like the practical gore
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for the most part is like disturbing. Like how good
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it is. I actually wrote that down. I was like,
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my exact words were, The sound effects and gore in
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these movies are extremely underrated. I really miss practical effects.
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Yeah, me too.
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But then you get shots like this, which just completely
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take me out of everything that's happening.
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Yeah, I know. That's what I'm saying. These weird like painting, like.
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It doesn't look real. Like that is actually just a
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painting of some sort of maze, labyrinth thing that they're
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supposed to be stuck in.
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And it doesn't look real.
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And then there's a part where it shows the two
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characters running up a staircase that's obviously superimposed over this picture.
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And I'm like, there is, you could have literally just
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shown them walk by a concrete wall and just said,
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oh yeah, it's concrete wall is in there.
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Cause that's what I'm saying at the beginning. I'm like,
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oh yeah.
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Like I remember like they visit her, I think in
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her hospital bed or whatever. And I, And it's like
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I'm kind of getting into it. But then when they
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spend the majority of the movie in this weird labyrinth
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or whatever and how it's just like it's the set
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pieces are like are not great. And it's like overdone
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where it looks like it looks like a Windows 97 game.
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it's like, it's not great. It's very bizarre. And it's
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just like for the second one, you didn't have to
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go balls tilt and weird stuff.
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Balls deep.
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I don't say balls tilt, whatever that is. Balls deep
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into like weird stuff. You know, just like complete out
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of pocket. Like the first one is them summoning him
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and then it goes like, oh, like I get the premise.
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It would be like interesting if it was done in
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today with the today's technology, but just at the time,
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they just could have done it differently and kind of
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played into still him coming into this realm and have
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like realistic set pieces and stuff like, not like, it's
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not good.
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I don't like it. Yeah, sometimes, and I think what
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happens there sometimes is, I want to say they had
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issues with this as well. And like, it was extremely
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low budget as well for, you know, what it was,
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what they were trying to achieve. I think $ 3 million
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is like probably impossible, especially in the late eighties. But, um,
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What I think happens sometimes as well is you get
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that thing where, you know, maybe there's new technology or
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whatever and someone's like, yeah, right, what am I going
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to do is I'm going to recreate like the labyrinth
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and the maze and you're going to see it all
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and there's going to be lightning and it's going to
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look really cool and blah, blah, blah. And maybe like
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the guys are like, oh, that sounds amazing. Like, let's
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do that. Let's spend money on that because this guy
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has obviously said he's going to make this amazing special
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effect and it's going to look so good and it's
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going to look so cool.
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And then....
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Maybe when they sit back then and look at it
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and they go, huh? What is this? That's what I
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paid for. And now we're like, you know, a month
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away from having to like release this thing or whatever.
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And now I have no way to fix this. Like
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George Lucas with Star Wars. Let's just make everything CGI.
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I'm even going to go back into old films and
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make more stuff CGI.
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It's just like, you know.
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Yeah, but it is very jarring in this. Cause like,
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I felt like there was parts of it where I
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was like super immersed. And I was like Oh yeah
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Kind of like this It has that feel And it's
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gory And it's weird And then like The next scene
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would come And I'd be like Huh?
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Just some of the set pieces and some of like the,
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when you do see like the weird, I don't know
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what the thing is supposed to be. The master Cenobite
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thing that's controlling.
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The doctor.
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And then it's like on top of like a mountain
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thing in the, in a big box.
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Like, it's just weird, dude. There's just so many weird shots.
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And that's why it took me kind of out of
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the movie of like how bad someone, I wouldn't say
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even graphics, but it's the way they have it set up.
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where they have like a big lament box or something.
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And some of the things that coming out of her
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or whatever, it's kind of around the scene where she's like,
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it helps Julia and her, like her arm falls off,
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but it's not actually Julia. It's a Christie or Christie,
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whatever the hell her name is.
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Christine Christie, you know? And it's like around that time.
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And it's just like, it just looks weird, man.
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Yeah.
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I don't know. Just some of the stuff like, like that,
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for example, just like absolutely just dreadful.
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That's probably around the same scene where they're on top
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of the thing and she's like falling.
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Give me your hand. It's Julia. But you find out
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she's wearing her skin.
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So, um, here's a kind of a weird fun fact
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on the disc. Well, you could look it up as
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you're listening to the audio either, but if you want to,
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you can watch the video aspect of the episode and
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you'll be able to see some of this stuff in
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real time. So you have that character of Dr. Chanard
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or whatever, however you pronounce it. And he turns into
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that like doctor kind of Cenobite and he can be
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really cool in places. and then it's like you know
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you have that character he looks you know he looks
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quite weird and creepy and still shots maybe don't do
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him justice or some of the scenes where he's talking
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and stuff and some of the stuff he's saying I
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was like wow he is a scary motherfucker and I'm
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kind of believing that he's like this kind of like better, stronger,
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scarier to a degree I was kind of believing that
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and then it's like you said then you get a
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Shots like this.
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Yeah, see?
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That's what I'm saying. I'm like, what the fuck is
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going on with this film, man? That looks stupid, dude.
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What is that? That one where he's like, I'm flying, Jack.
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I'm flying. Dude, it's the Titanic scene.
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That is just absolutely... And his shoes.
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He has shoes. He has little boots on.
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My other side of it is then, right? It's not even... okay,
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practically you've pulled it off terribly because it just looks bad.
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But like, I can't imagine sitting around a table and
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being like, you know what we should do? There should
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be a part where he comes through the window stuck
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to the tentacle and just have him like floating around
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the room. Like he's on some sort of like fairground ride.
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I'm like, who thought that was going to be, who
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thought that was going to look cool? I, that is crazy.
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That looks that no wonder I was like, what the
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fuck is this? When I was watching it.
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Even like, there's, I don't know if you could, there's
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this baby doll at the end.
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Do you remember that?
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It looks so stupid. I was like, I wrote down
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the baby doll is stupid. The ending is pretty dumb.
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That's what I wrote down. I don't know what you
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would call that thing. The baby thing. It's like, I
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don't know if you can find a picture of that.
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I can pull that up.
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Hellraiser 2 baby.
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Also, so you know when he transforms? Mm-hmm. So when
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he transforms into that creepy Cenobite thing with the tentacle
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on his head and whatever, that's based on a Francis
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Bacon painting, which is called Figure with Meat, I think
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it is.
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Weird.
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Which is basically what's on screen. It's just a figure
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of a man with meat on either side of him.
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So weird.
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So when he, there is, I don't have the images,
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but if you pull them side by side, There's an
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image of him, and it's supposed to be loosely based
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on that, right? And then I found out this weird
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piece of trivia. So this image, this Francis Bacon picture,
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shows up in another movie that everybody on the planet
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surely knows. I'll give you three guesses as to what movie.
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And I will say.
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But, like, that's no basis of, like, you've got to
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give me, like.
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A ballpark. Yeah, I'm going to give you some clues, right?
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It's not... Another horror movie is the first clue. Okay.
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So if you want to make a guess off of that,
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and then I'll give you another clue.
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Not another horror movie.
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It's not a horror movie, right? It's definitely not a
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horror movie.
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Not another teen movie.
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No.
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I have no... Because there's no... I'm not even in
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the diamond, man.
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It's a comic book movie.
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Spawn?
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No.
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It's a.
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A very notable superhero.
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Spider-Man?
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Nope.
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Superman. Wolverine. Oh, weird. Oh, weird. That's the best picture
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you could get of that.
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I know.
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They all look like that. I don't know why. That's
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so funny.
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Yeah.
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Remember that scene where Bob is like his little right-hand man.
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He goes to hit the thing and the Joker's like, nope. No, no, no.
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I like this one. Leave it.
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Oh yeah, that is weird.
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Some weird random reference.
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I know we always say this, but whatever. If we
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do some off-brand stuff, Batman, the first one, first two
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are kind of horror movies a little bit, man.
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Yeah, 100%. Especially those ones, they're fucking dark, dude. All
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of them are kind of.
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For everybody who hasn't known yet, right? I wrote a
491
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book called Horror Hot Text, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?
492
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We know all that. Please buy the book. Please do
493
00:22:27.390 --> 00:22:29.490
something with it. Please tell me how great I am.
494
00:22:30.130 --> 00:22:32.410
But I did actually have a chapter in the book.
495
00:22:32.490 --> 00:22:33.809
I don't think I got there that far.
496
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I think I'm at No, there's not a chapter in
497
00:22:36.109 --> 00:22:37.710
the book about that, but I did actually at one
498
00:22:37.730 --> 00:22:38.410
point toy with the idea.
499
00:22:38.430 --> 00:22:39.299
I thought you mentioned it.
500
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Of having a chapter where I was going to be like, right,
501
00:22:42.789 --> 00:22:45.210
those first two Batman movies are essentially horror films.
502
00:22:46.009 --> 00:22:50.099
I'm at, where I'm at, I read the Scream thing.
503
00:22:50.440 --> 00:22:54.240
I think I'm at Psycho 2, which I actually have
504
00:22:54.259 --> 00:22:55.940
heard good things. I think we've talked about it and
505
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I've never, I don't know if I've ever sat down
506
00:22:57.420 --> 00:22:59.640
and really, maybe years and years ago.
507
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That's not bad. I was shocked.
508
00:23:01.750 --> 00:23:05.049
Do you find that baby dog? I said baby dog.
509
00:23:05.170 --> 00:23:07.390
Let me try and grab it here now.
510
00:23:07.660 --> 00:23:12.200
Because there's just like weird parts of this. And it'll
511
00:23:12.220 --> 00:23:14.400
be interesting because I'm like getting ahead and stuff like that.
512
00:23:14.420 --> 00:23:15.400
I've watched three.
513
00:23:15.420 --> 00:23:18.039
How do I not remember what you're talking about?
514
00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:20.730
It's just like near the end. And that's what I'm saying.
515
00:23:21.089 --> 00:23:22.910
At the end when it's like all of them turn
516
00:23:22.970 --> 00:23:25.910
into the human form, I just thought that was, I
517
00:23:25.930 --> 00:23:28.069
don't know, weird. I get what they were trying to do.
518
00:23:28.250 --> 00:23:32.660
I like the idea, right, of And I know you
519
00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:34.349
probably to do this with the Cenobites you're going to
520
00:23:34.369 --> 00:23:35.849
have to do it with them all. You can't just
521
00:23:35.890 --> 00:23:38.950
do it with Pinhead. But I like the idea of
522
00:23:38.970 --> 00:23:41.309
the Elliot Spencer thing where you know you're going to
523
00:23:41.349 --> 00:23:46.059
kind of see who Pinhead is. He wasn't always this person.
524
00:23:46.980 --> 00:23:49.720
He was actually like a human. I kind of like
525
00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:51.059
that idea but then it just.
526
00:23:53.490 --> 00:23:54.710
He looks weird, man.
527
00:23:55.509 --> 00:23:56.690
Yeah. It looks weird.
528
00:23:56.769 --> 00:23:59.549
Doug Bradley's head without the makeup on. And he's like the,
529
00:24:00.109 --> 00:24:01.089
that costume.
530
00:24:01.230 --> 00:24:02.470
In the costume.
531
00:24:02.509 --> 00:24:03.539
I found it. I found it.
532
00:24:03.869 --> 00:24:07.359
When he's like, when he's himself as like the, the
533
00:24:07.450 --> 00:24:11.119
military guy or whatever. I don't mind that. Like when
534
00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:14.119
he's like Captain Elliot Spencer or whatever, I'm fine with that.
535
00:24:14.599 --> 00:24:18.619
But you're right. When he transforms him, And it's Doug
536
00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:21.380
Bradley with that little piece of hair like I have.
537
00:24:21.509 --> 00:24:22.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
538
00:24:22.460 --> 00:24:25.049
That balding head. He's just standing like looking at him
539
00:24:25.069 --> 00:24:26.710
with the thing. And I'm like, that is like some
540
00:24:26.769 --> 00:24:29.190
creepy dude in like a sex club in like bondage.
541
00:24:29.210 --> 00:24:29.890
So bring this up.
542
00:24:29.910 --> 00:24:32.210
So it's when she's like tripping out, which is they
543
00:24:32.230 --> 00:24:35.750
do that weird hallucination thing kind of. And I thought
544
00:24:35.769 --> 00:24:37.569
I was like, this is so dumb. This is like
545
00:24:37.609 --> 00:24:38.849
a baby floating around.
546
00:24:40.190 --> 00:24:43.140
You remember that? See, again, there is some like pretty.
547
00:24:44.019 --> 00:24:48.029
So again, right. I think. Clive Barker has such great
548
00:24:48.109 --> 00:24:51.710
ideas visually that it was nearly always going to be
549
00:24:51.750 --> 00:24:54.569
impossible for a lot of people to convey what he
550
00:24:55.230 --> 00:24:58.730
wanted onto a screen, if you know what I mean,
551
00:24:58.750 --> 00:25:01.109
especially in like the late 80s. It was going to
552
00:25:01.130 --> 00:25:03.309
be next to impossible to adapt some of his work
553
00:25:03.349 --> 00:25:06.819
because he's so visually clued in. Like if you read
554
00:25:06.859 --> 00:25:10.539
any of his work, it's so intricate and detailed and
555
00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:14.880
so huge that like it's something... Del Toro talked about
556
00:25:15.099 --> 00:25:18.240
you know when he was supposed to do in the
557
00:25:18.259 --> 00:25:22.140
mountains of madness I think so yeah it's always kind
558
00:25:22.180 --> 00:25:24.180
of like went away all the time and like people
559
00:25:24.200 --> 00:25:25.609
always ask me like why did you never make that
560
00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:27.009
why did you never make it and I was like
561
00:25:27.029 --> 00:25:28.970
do you know why because it's too big of a
562
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movie in the sense of like they'll never give me
563
00:25:32.049 --> 00:25:35.250
what I need to actually make that look how the
564
00:25:35.309 --> 00:25:37.750
book wants it to look and I don't want to
565
00:25:37.769 --> 00:25:39.849
do it if I'm going to have to do it
566
00:25:39.890 --> 00:25:44.089
with some bullshit like crap money And it looks shit.
567
00:25:44.250 --> 00:25:46.369
I'd rather just not do it at all than not
568
00:25:46.410 --> 00:25:47.789
be able to make it the way it's supposed to
569
00:25:47.809 --> 00:25:48.150
be made.
570
00:25:49.170 --> 00:25:51.150
Dude, some of this, though, I'm looking at these images,
571
00:25:51.750 --> 00:25:54.289
it looks like he has dreads on his head.
572
00:25:54.349 --> 00:25:57.250
Yeah, it's very weird. Some of the stuff just didn't
573
00:25:57.289 --> 00:25:58.289
come across, I don't think.
574
00:25:58.349 --> 00:26:01.220
But there's cool shots, right? I always love this poster.
575
00:26:01.339 --> 00:26:05.400
I do like this poster a lot. But the doctor pinhead.
576
00:26:05.420 --> 00:26:07.660
Yeah, with the sergeant thing, that was a deleted scene.
577
00:26:08.339 --> 00:26:09.640
That's become really famous since.
578
00:26:09.680 --> 00:26:10.039
That's cool.
579
00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:11.680
Yeah.
580
00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:14.430
When she's wrapped up like the mummy, there is like
581
00:26:14.509 --> 00:26:17.710
interesting scenes or when he's like toiling with the box,
582
00:26:17.809 --> 00:26:21.839
it kind of shows more of whatever Pinhead's name is
583
00:26:21.859 --> 00:26:24.980
like Doug Bradley's character. And when he's, you know, messing
584
00:26:25.019 --> 00:26:27.599
around with the lament box and then it kind of
585
00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:32.849
shows the, the kind of, um, which I think.
586
00:26:32.730 --> 00:26:34.130
Gets more into it in the third.
587
00:26:34.049 --> 00:26:37.410
One of like the war element, how like he was
588
00:26:37.450 --> 00:26:38.799
just destroyed by the war.
589
00:26:38.900 --> 00:26:41.019
And it obviously, it seems like it's like Vietnam.
590
00:26:41.259 --> 00:26:43.940
And then Frank also seems like he might've been like
591
00:26:43.960 --> 00:26:45.119
a Vietnam type vet.
592
00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:48.180
And the stuff they were doing in Vietnam is crazy, man.
593
00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:49.980
Like what they would do to some of the women
594
00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:53.730
and stuff like that is like, there's barbaric stories about
595
00:26:53.750 --> 00:26:55.569
some of the stuff on both sides that went on
596
00:26:55.769 --> 00:26:56.430
during that war.
597
00:26:56.450 --> 00:27:00.049
I kind of liked it. They touched on that. Like,
598
00:27:00.069 --> 00:27:03.710
I feel like, Somebody like Clive Barker has always been
599
00:27:03.769 --> 00:27:07.069
quite like he tries to push the. But again, like
600
00:27:07.109 --> 00:27:09.089
I said, Clive talks about this a lot, actually, where
601
00:27:09.130 --> 00:27:12.470
he's like, no one ever adapts my work the way.
602
00:27:12.490 --> 00:27:16.000
You always take pieces out and things I want to
603
00:27:16.039 --> 00:27:18.539
say that are uncomfortable for people to just remove it
604
00:27:18.619 --> 00:27:19.180
from the story.
605
00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:22.359
I thought this, like there's shots. That's what I'm saying.
606
00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:25.720
There are shots of this film that are like genuinely
607
00:27:25.869 --> 00:27:28.509
just scary. Like when it, cause who is that? Who
608
00:27:28.569 --> 00:27:30.630
is it supposed to be there? It's supposed to be Frank.
609
00:27:30.730 --> 00:27:31.309
Yeah, that's Frank.
610
00:27:31.410 --> 00:27:34.329
Or her dad. No, it's supposed to be Frank.
611
00:27:34.529 --> 00:27:36.660
Yeah, I think so. Isn't it? Yeah.
612
00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:39.440
I thought it was her dad. Cause he's in the realm,
613
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:39.779
isn't he?
614
00:27:39.779 --> 00:27:40.599
Yeah, maybe it is.
615
00:27:41.410 --> 00:27:45.660
Her dad's technically in the realm. Let's see, Pinhead. I
616
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:46.700
don't know how you'd say this.
617
00:27:47.740 --> 00:27:49.380
Yeah, like what you just said, I had like the
618
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:51.680
tone and atmosphere of some of the shots in this
619
00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:56.349
movie in the hospital are absolutely incredible. And the score
620
00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:59.569
as well, again, by Christopher Young, the score. I don't
621
00:27:59.589 --> 00:28:02.450
care what anyone says. You could put, and everyone forgets
622
00:28:02.490 --> 00:28:04.710
about this. I think it's super underrated. You could put
623
00:28:04.750 --> 00:28:09.190
the Hellraiser scores up there with any other horror franchise
624
00:28:09.309 --> 00:28:10.230
and it would hold up. I think.
625
00:28:10.250 --> 00:28:10.730
Yeah, I agree.
626
00:28:10.930 --> 00:28:13.589
If you listen to the score for this movie, dude,
627
00:28:13.970 --> 00:28:18.420
it sounds so much like Batman 89. Like, I mean,
628
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:21.900
I kind of nearly want to put the score for
629
00:28:21.940 --> 00:28:24.720
this over Batman 89 and see, does it just play
630
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:28.240
the same? It sounds exactly the same.
631
00:28:28.460 --> 00:28:30.579
That it, I will say that I agree with you
632
00:28:30.660 --> 00:28:32.930
on there. It does sound like it is kind of
633
00:28:32.990 --> 00:28:35.920
like the, the music is pretty epic and, I'm really
634
00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:42.099
trying to find an image when he's in the ending pinhead.
635
00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:45.019
Do you know what else used to scare me a lot, actually?
636
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:47.000
You know the bit where the doctor is walking through
637
00:28:47.019 --> 00:28:49.880
the hospital and he's looking into all the rooms and
638
00:28:49.900 --> 00:28:53.500
all the patients are smashing their heads off the walls
639
00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:56.490
and screaming and clawing at their heads?
640
00:28:56.549 --> 00:28:58.150
That's why I said the asylums.
641
00:28:58.289 --> 00:29:00.450
I've always had a weird thing, especially when I was
642
00:29:00.470 --> 00:29:03.230
growing up, with mental hospitals. I have somebody in the
643
00:29:03.269 --> 00:29:05.759
family who was in a mental hospital so I don't
644
00:29:05.779 --> 00:29:08.819
know if that added to it but anything to do
645
00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:10.839
with that has always freaked me out right I watched
646
00:29:10.859 --> 00:29:13.779
the Blair Witch 2 a few nights ago right and
647
00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:15.759
there's a scene in it where one of the main
648
00:29:15.819 --> 00:29:19.740
characters is like in a mental hospital and they have
649
00:29:19.809 --> 00:29:22.369
him laid back on a bed and it's a completely
650
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:26.009
white room and the doctor is smoking a cigarette and
651
00:29:26.049 --> 00:29:28.250
they put a pipe into his nose and they're pouring
652
00:29:28.269 --> 00:29:31.609
this white milky looking material into his nose and it's
653
00:29:31.650 --> 00:29:33.309
coming out his mouth and his eyes are rolling back
654
00:29:34.190 --> 00:29:36.279
I used to like have nightmares about shit like that
655
00:29:36.299 --> 00:29:37.769
when I was a kid. I was like being dragged
656
00:29:37.809 --> 00:29:39.369
away by like the men in white coats.
657
00:29:41.579 --> 00:29:44.079
That is weird well I think it's considering probably your
658
00:29:44.140 --> 00:29:46.880
family member too uh being a part of that yeah
659
00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:48.779
see when you remember when he gets his throat cut.
660
00:29:48.619 --> 00:29:52.109
It's just and it's just he's like which is even
661
00:29:52.150 --> 00:29:55.029
his expression is like the goofiest like looking.
662
00:29:54.690 --> 00:29:58.710
Yeah because I'm they have his like yeah like sticking
663
00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:00.579
your tongue out and all it doesn't like it doesn't
664
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:01.559
even look real.
665
00:30:01.660 --> 00:30:04.400
That could have been potentially cool but like they needed
666
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:06.160
to play it read like even there though.
667
00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:11.099
It looks like a cosplay i know like that's what
668
00:30:11.140 --> 00:30:13.680
i'm saying dude but i do like the scene where
669
00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:15.819
it shows other than i don't necessarily like the little
670
00:30:15.859 --> 00:30:18.160
like like bug thing that like puts the pins in
671
00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:20.880
his face like the little tentacle thing but i do
672
00:30:20.900 --> 00:30:22.359
but that scene when he's like oh.
673
00:30:22.990 --> 00:30:26.250
Yeah I do like the POV like when we're looking
674
00:30:26.289 --> 00:30:27.950
at him and his face is being slashed open and
675
00:30:27.970 --> 00:30:28.950
he's screaming and stuff.
676
00:30:28.869 --> 00:30:31.869
I was like okay that's pretty cool it is that's
677
00:30:31.890 --> 00:30:35.339
what I'm saying there is good elements to this film
678
00:30:35.910 --> 00:30:38.799
but obviously it's just these the set pieces and some
679
00:30:38.819 --> 00:30:42.640
of the things like but like it's yeah it's it's
680
00:30:42.700 --> 00:30:45.880
problematic but like some of the scenes are cool. That's
681
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:48.829
why it's like with horror, it is this weird thing of,
682
00:30:49.109 --> 00:30:51.910
especially if you have, if it's nostalgic, if you remember
683
00:30:51.990 --> 00:30:54.490
watching it with it when you were a kid and like,
684
00:30:54.589 --> 00:30:56.809
oh man, some of the art that have people have
685
00:30:56.829 --> 00:30:58.009
done too is pretty cool.
686
00:30:59.690 --> 00:31:02.809
Like it's such a, it's one of those franchises dude,
687
00:31:02.849 --> 00:31:06.569
I think from the first movie, like, and we'll probably
688
00:31:06.589 --> 00:31:08.910
see this in every episode after this, but like every
689
00:31:08.970 --> 00:31:14.700
movie from number two on, are not really great movies,
690
00:31:14.740 --> 00:31:17.380
but they all have really cool aspects about them that
691
00:31:17.420 --> 00:31:19.480
if you took all the aspects of all the other
692
00:31:19.500 --> 00:31:22.619
sequels and put them into one movie, you might actually
693
00:31:22.660 --> 00:31:27.279
have a really good sequel rather than making six movies
694
00:31:27.369 --> 00:31:30.250
where pieces of them were cool, but then this was crap,
695
00:31:30.769 --> 00:31:34.930
this was shit, but this was crap. Same with Pirate 3, right?
696
00:31:34.990 --> 00:31:37.589
So Pirate 3, for me, is one of those I'm
697
00:31:37.630 --> 00:31:41.509
super nostalgic about it, love it, but there's a lot of,
698
00:31:41.970 --> 00:31:45.450
bad choices in number three but then there's other parts
699
00:31:45.490 --> 00:31:47.990
like with the pillar for example I love the idea
700
00:31:48.009 --> 00:31:49.509
of the pillar yeah but then.
701
00:31:49.390 --> 00:31:51.670
We started we can't get into it that's the next movie.
702
00:31:51.750 --> 00:31:53.650
But it just kind of feeds into this I suppose
703
00:31:53.690 --> 00:31:55.930
where it's like oh yeah there was another thing I
704
00:31:55.950 --> 00:32:00.619
was like Dr. Chanard transforming into that Dr. Cenobite was
705
00:32:00.660 --> 00:32:06.200
really cool stop motion was absolutely dreadful though although his
706
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:09.500
face shots up really close and his voice and dialogue
707
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:12.619
was quite scary I did enjoy the fight between the
708
00:32:12.650 --> 00:32:15.200
Cenobites and the Doctor. I felt like he was cool
709
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:18.700
in this scene. However, when he transforms them back, it
710
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:20.380
just ruins everything again.
711
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:24.470
Yeah, it just looks weird, man. I don't like it.
712
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:27.240
So they had a 20%. So the budget they thought
713
00:32:27.259 --> 00:32:32.309
they had that they had planned to have was instantly
714
00:32:32.349 --> 00:32:37.150
they lost 25% of it before they started because the
715
00:32:37.170 --> 00:32:39.769
part that they weren't told was the budget they were
716
00:32:39.809 --> 00:32:43.069
given was in uh, American dollars and it had to be,
717
00:32:43.269 --> 00:32:44.210
this was shot in the UK.
718
00:32:44.230 --> 00:32:44.569
Wow.
719
00:32:44.750 --> 00:32:46.450
So it had to be changed to Starlink. So they
720
00:32:46.490 --> 00:32:47.910
lost 25% of the money.
721
00:32:48.690 --> 00:32:49.130
That's crazy.
722
00:32:49.150 --> 00:32:51.609
So like, say like they, that you're told like, all right,
723
00:32:51.630 --> 00:32:54.069
we're giving you a million dollars and you go, yeah,
724
00:32:54.089 --> 00:32:56.849
or giving you a million pounds and you go, yeah, yeah, great.
725
00:32:57.049 --> 00:33:00.099
Million pounds or we're giving you a million. You go, yeah, great.
726
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:00.210
Okay.
727
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:01.839
I have a million pounds. I'm going to do this, that,
728
00:33:01.859 --> 00:33:05.279
and that. And then obviously they transfer a million dollars
729
00:33:05.460 --> 00:33:07.920
to the UK and then you look in the account
730
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:10.680
and it's 750 grand and you go, wait a second. Oh, there's,
731
00:33:10.990 --> 00:33:13.829
quarter of a million missing and they go no no
732
00:33:13.869 --> 00:33:14.970
that's a million dollars.
733
00:33:14.789 --> 00:33:19.079
So that would happen if like if you sent money
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from america to canada um no other way canadian money
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to american money it's like a million dollars would be
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like yeah 800 000 or something like that like it's
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the because of the currency exchange and it's like then
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you're like losing out it's like ah yeah.
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I remember years ago being able to gain money when
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i went to the states it was like every euro
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i gave i got like nearly a dollar 50 and
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i was like wow i'm making money yeah yeah.
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That's great so out of um out of three out
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of out of 10 floating doctors uh with a a
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weird tentacle what are you giving this because like there
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there's elements of it but man this is i started
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to watch the other ones that i i remember watching
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but then i would just be bored of and stuff
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like that I don't know how well the rating system
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is going to go for.
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The rest of these.
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What did we give the last one? Nine?
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I liked it, yeah, because I love the first one.
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It's everything you want out of a horror movie, and
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it's well done, but it's just like, because they didn't
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go overboard.
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00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:24.530
This one went overboard, and the rest seemed to go overboard.
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6.5.
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Okay.
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I was going to say a 7, but I said
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I'll knock a. 5 off just for some of the
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things I gave out about.
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And I'll say again, this might depend on watchability, how
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often I would watch this movie. I'm going to give
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it like a five because it's rare that I'm going
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to go back maybe in a couple of years.
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I really didn't like this.
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Yeah. I know there's parts I liked about it. If
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me and you were hanging out, having a beer and
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00:34:52.909 --> 00:34:55.769
watching it is one thing and that's fun, but like,
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it will be something I'll go back to around Halloween
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in a couple of years.
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Like they're the beginning.
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I do enjoy, I'll give it like a 5.56, like
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kind of that realm. Um, but there's just so many
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like jarring, as you would say, the, these parts where
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00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:13.159
you're like, like the, the shots are really cool, but
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then the ending and stuff like that just takes you
779
00:35:15.420 --> 00:35:18.519
out of the film. It's just like, what are we watching?
780
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:20.980
Doug Bradley in a BDSM costume?
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00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:24.639
Yeah, there's parts of it that are actually quite weird.
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00:35:24.699 --> 00:35:26.519
It's like, what the fuck is going on?
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I still enjoy this.
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I think it'll be interesting because we'll probably go a
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little longer on the third one. The more weird they get,
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00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:36.400
the longer the episodes might be because it might be
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00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:37.300
more of like, what.
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00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:38.039
Are we watching?
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00:35:39.179 --> 00:35:41.599
I want to do a watch-along of one of them.
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Maybe the fat pinhead one.
791
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:45.039
Oh, Christ.
792
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:47.440
I want to do one watch. There's so many of them.
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Let's do, we have to do at least one watch along.
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00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:49.920
Yeah.
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Look, I would give it probably a 6.5, but that's
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because like, again, there's aspects of it that I remember.
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Like I'm like nostalgic about, I'm like, Oh yeah, I
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00:35:57.860 --> 00:36:00.800
remember that cool scene. Remember that thing. But again, it
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00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:03.539
more feels like a collection of cool scenes than it
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00:36:03.559 --> 00:36:06.219
does like one cohesive story.
801
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Yeah.
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00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:09.139
So it's a bit frustrating in that sense. You know
803
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what though? I actually had fun like revisiting this one
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and then being able to chat about it. I feel like,
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00:36:13.349 --> 00:36:15.630
we got a lot of, so far I've had fun
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00:36:15.670 --> 00:36:17.369
like 40 minutes, which is quite good.
807
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Yeah.
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And I, and I've had fun and I think, you know,
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00:36:19.849 --> 00:36:24.610
some of the, it's might be worth just doing a
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00:36:24.699 --> 00:36:27.679
smaller kind of takes on episodes and not having to
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00:36:27.699 --> 00:36:32.260
do two hours trying to explain our entire thoughts about
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00:36:32.340 --> 00:36:35.340
every detail. But like, I don't know, this is fun
813
00:36:35.380 --> 00:36:40.309
for me because like, I don't, um, that was weird.
814
00:36:40.869 --> 00:36:42.889
It's fucking cinebites are coming out of the screen. I
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00:36:42.909 --> 00:36:48.170
heard you, repeating, but, uh, are you frozen? No, you're
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00:36:48.230 --> 00:36:53.280
not frozen. But like, I still enjoy, um, I still,
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because I didn't watch these that often. I think this
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will be kind of fun because I didn't really, I
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think I watched, I've tried to watch mostly probably up
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to like six, something like that, but I don't think
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I've ever watched it all the way through. I put
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it on, late at night when i was drunk and
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then i was like this is fucking weird and then
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00:37:08.829 --> 00:37:10.710
i just did something like that right where i didn't
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00:37:11.150 --> 00:37:13.710
i wanted to give them a chance but i really
826
00:37:13.769 --> 00:37:16.309
didn't so this will be interesting to go along this
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journey where i'm actually going to watch all of them fully.
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00:37:18.590 --> 00:37:22.409
Yeah yeah same like some of them i kind of
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00:37:22.469 --> 00:37:24.389
remember and i'm like well i can't remember the last
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time i saw this so it is kind of cool
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00:37:25.969 --> 00:37:29.550
to revisit them again with kind of no memory i
832
00:37:29.570 --> 00:37:31.469
can remember little scenes and like oh yeah remember that
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00:37:31.510 --> 00:37:33.739
cool thing But then I don't actually remember the movie
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or the story. So it's been interesting. It's going to
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00:37:35.860 --> 00:37:38.920
be an interesting series, I suppose. Yeah, this has been
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a fun one. Let us know if you've gotten to
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the end. Let us know your thoughts on Hellbound Hellraiser 2. Obviously,
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next episode, we'll move on to part three, which we
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might have. Well, I don't know. I was going to
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say we might have more nicer things to say, but
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I'm not so sure.
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00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:57.519
It's interesting. We'll get into it.
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I probably will because I'm so nostalgic.
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About I am also but then re-watching it I'm like weird.
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But yeah this has been fun we appreciate everybody for
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listening and stick with us links will be in the
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description for our socials and things like that and if
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you want to pick up a copy of my book
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which I have been really bad at promoting I'll be
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honest maybe in the run up to Halloween I might
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push it again and try and get it out there
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and get it in more people's hands Buy my book.
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I make no money from it, but it'll just make
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me feel better.
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Stay horny for horror, everybody.
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Please do. Peace.
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