Ami Horowitz Discusses Whether Black People are More Conservative than Expected (FULL)

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Speaker 1: Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher, where our mission is to foster allyship, empathy and understanding. I'm your host, ramses Jah, today's guest. Ammy Horowitz is an American conservative documentary filmmaker and activist. He is the writer, producer, and director of Amy on the Loose, a satirical short film series. He is also the host of a recent documentary, The Art of War, look into the practices of the IDA. Ammy recently went to Los Angeles Southwest College to ask students to take a blind taste test challenge to see if they learn to see if they lean more Republican or a Democrat. Amy, Welcome back to the show. Man.
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Speaker 2: How you doing, oh man, Such a pleasure, doing great. Always nice to see your face either in person or on camera. In person, but I'll take on camera.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I know what you mean, man, I miss you. Man. Likewise, first off, you know some housekeeping, man. How's your family? How's your mom doing?
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Speaker 2: Thank god?
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Speaker 3: Everyone as well? Brother, how about you?
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Speaker 1: Every everybody's thriving over here, man. So so for listeners who have maybe come to the show more recently. Amy is is my brother. Uh he is my brother that I have chosen. I believe that you probably reckon it the same way. I know that you feel the same way, but I'm not sure if you make if you would use the same language language. Okay, very good, Amy and I. It's it's sort of a running joke now. But Amy and I we see the world in in very different ways, and we disagree about much of our politics, but we have chosen to remain brothers throughout everything, and I think that we provide each other at least an additional aperture into what our political opposition looks like. Uh So, in this conversation, it's important to note that I'm talking with my brother and I love him. We are going to disagree. We are very passionate, I think about how we feel, and at the end of this, we are going to still love each other. We've been on this path for some years now, and I you know, around here we are very selective with the people that we have on as guest. Amy is an honored guest, and you know, I just wanted to make sure everyone knew that. So Ammy, talk to me. I mentioned a bit about about your film The blind Taste test challenge at the Los Angeles Southwest College. But you know, bring our listeners into to what happened on the campus, what you learned, what you saw, and maybe some of the conclusions. I know that this film was a little different at the end because you actually had a bit of a recap. So again, for folks that haven't seen it, bring everybody yet.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I'm so excited to have talked to talk to you about this particular video. I mean, we talked about a bunch of them, but this is one in particular, and you and I've actually talked about this a little bit before. Yeah, so's It's kind of my view is that the dirty little secret of the black community is they're a little more conservative than people think that they are. And I think that people like you know, I think one of the driving forces for me and my political viewpoint has always been through the lens of faith and God, and that kind of led me down a certain ideological and political path. Right kind of colors the way I view the world. Like everybody you know, based on their lived experiences, that's the way they kind of view the lens of the world, which makes total sense. Use the word before aperture. It's a great word, and so much applies to this in particular. And the Black community is a community of great and deep faith. I think they're probably the single largest demographic that supports God. Here's a percentage of the people support God, and I think that's a lot of how they kind of view the ideological world. Obviously, there's no doubt we all know that black community has voted Democrats for decades and decades. Very similar in a lot of ways. Actually the Jewish community that actually black people and the Jewish community supported Republicans after Lincoln because they viewed the Republican Party as a party of social justice. And what happened was after Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, that kind of shifted actually in a similar time for both communities.
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Speaker 3: I think the Black community, maybe a little.
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Speaker 2: Bit earlier, moved toward the Democratic Party, but the Democratic Party had a lot of issues at the time. Also, right, a lot of the Southern Democrats, the Dixie Democrats, were just among the most racist politicians that exist, even more the Republicans, Like you know, it was a legacy of slavery. But over a period of time around that time, the black community moved away from the Republicans and moved toward the Democrats clicking in the sixties, right. Uh, during Lyndon Johnson's time in particular, Uh, it became pretty strong Democrats and that.
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Speaker 3: Has nothing has changed.
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Speaker 2: And in this video when I when I went and I spoke these young people in this community college, I chose a community college in particular as opposed to going to like a larger four year university.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 2: We can talk about that also, but I chose that really in particular. I asked, like, how do you guys view yourselves Republican Democrat? And there was a single student who who self identify as Republican, right, which wasn't surprising. And then we did the kind of like you said, the taste the taste test is test. And I thought it was the sweetest video I've ever made. It was it was the reactions which was so heartfelt and real and genuine, like their surprise, their their shock in some cases, right, I thought was really insight full and sweet and genuine, and really is one of my most favorite videos I have ever made, and one of my favorite videos. I've discussed that a couple of times, not that many times, and every time I watch the video, it brings us big smile to my face, not just because you know, I shade it toward obviously, towards you know that they show themselves to be more conservative than liberal. If you don't want to call a republic democrat. That also makes sense. The world has changed in terms of how people lay themselves. But I thought just the reaction to it was so interesting and sweet and real. I love this video, really was. It was an important video to me.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to add to that that around here we deal in data, and we deal with credible sources, and so if I may, I will extend my I will vouch for what it is people might see in the video because I know historically speaking it to be food that you don't tailor or doctor your videos to suggest something that you might have come to the table, like a preconceived notion. You don't edit people out who don't give you the answers that you don't want. You let let it kind of fly. And uh, I mean, please feel free to.
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Speaker 2: My best videos are the ones that I came in like, I always go with the preconceived notion. Just of course I'm always like, here's why I think this is gonna shake down.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes it doesn't.
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Speaker 1: And I gotta be honest, and you don't doctor it.
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Speaker 3: Ye, I don't doctor Look I edit right, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Of course, but you don't edit people out that. I just want to make sure our listeners.
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Speaker 2: Everyone the the thrust of what you hear is what the thrust of every So everyone I spoke.
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Speaker 1: To is so so yeah, and so the best.
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Speaker 2: Videos are when I come in with a preconceived notion and what I get was different, is different, even the most interesting. Sure, so yeah, that's really important to me that you that you hear and you see what I saw felt.
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Speaker 1: Right that that's exactly what I'm saying. It's an honest So so before we get too far, we want to do this again at the end. But let people know where they can find this video online.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they can go to at Amy Horowitz on any of the social media.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, now again I said that to say that what you're looking at when you're looking at a film from Amy is something that is the real deal. It's not doctored to create a narrative that is not accurate. This is data. This is you know, what Amy gets from the ground.
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Speaker 2: So it's anecdotal in the sense that like, looks just the people I talk to.
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Speaker 1: You, No, I get it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, But to me, data and anecdote together are powerful.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's go with that. I just want to make sure because there's a lot of content creators and a lot of people out there that make content, and they will edit out things that don't support what they want to say, and they will lead been the things that do say what they want or affirm what they what they believe, or what they want to get off. And that's not what you're doing here. So I want our listeners to be able to trust and what they see is more or less what happened on the street. So that's I appreciate you helping me share that with him. But you know, again, Amy would not be a friend of the show, and Amy would not be on the show so frequently, I mean, would not be a person that I bounce ideas off and uh, you know, get ideas from if Amy was not a credible journalist in his own right. And so that's my my co sign for what it is you've done with that said, of course you're here sort of in the lions den for me to challenge a lot of what it is that you know, you have discovered, uncovered, you know whatever, And so this is the conversation we want to have. So I took I took the liberty of kind of putting together the questions for folks who are not yet able to see the film or you know, maybe they were going to get to it at some point in the future. So I want to share the questions and sort of what I saw when I saw the film. So the first question, again, you're on a college campus, you're and it's a it's a city college, your junior college. So these are among the youngest of the young students that you're going to find at that level of you know, education. First question, should women be able to get a late term abortion? I took the text exactly as you asked it, you know, to the to the participants. So should women be able to get a late term abortion? And it was sort of a yes no question, and everyone answered accordingly. Should we spend more time and effort stopping illegal immigration or less time? Okay, just as as we're playing it as it lies. Should parents have more control over education or less control over education? And and you know, as you're listening, feel free to kind of formulate your own opinions because this is an honest conversation as we have. Next question says should there be generally higher taxes or generally lower taxes? Next one, should we generally have more policing or less policing? Again, the idea being that one answer would suggest that you might lean Democrat at least in that area, and obviously the opposite answer. This is a binary, so we're going to get one answer that suggests that you have democratic values, another one that suggests you have Republican or conservative values. Next question, should we allow children to medically transition? Next question, should we allow males to transition to females to compete in sports? And then finally, should we spend more money on social programs and have higher debt or spend less money on social programs and less debt? And I apologize, there's actually it looks like there might be more Should someone show ID to vote? And I think that was the last one. Oh sorry, More regulations and higher taxes to stop climate change or less regulations and lower taxes to spur the economy. So these were the questions that were asked and you at the end, you compiled the answers from each individual person and you let them know whether or not they actually align in terms of their answers with a Republican voter or with a Democratic voter. And again the results, as you mentioned, they were surprising. Everybody seemed like they were having a good time. The individual that took the test, they seemed very shocked, and some of them said, you know, comments like man, I really need to rethink this, or you know all that sort of stuff. Right, do I have it? Right? Did I painted?
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Speaker 2: And I specifically included the exact question, and ever.
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Speaker 1: So people same question.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So people can say, look, look I think you shaded it one way or the other, and that's a fair, totally fair. But I wanted everyone to know exactly what I asked, so they had contacts and they can make their own decision whether or not they think that's actually Look, some Democrats will say to me, well, wait, I believe in more policing and less policing, so why is that Republican notion? That's totally fair, and I'm obviously a generalization for the most part.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, But.
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Speaker 2: I wanted people to hear the entire question and they can make their own decision or whether or not they agree that's more Republican or democript.
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Speaker 1: Now, before we get into the weeds here, I want to know what you expected when you went to this camp. And I think that our listeners should know kind of what you expected because you're a person that deals in I mean, you have conversations related to politics professionally and of course personally, and this is like, this is your bag, man, You're in your bag. So what did you went to this college intentionally? You talk to these students intentionally? What was your expectation. We know that you were surprised, but what did you think was going to happen?
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Speaker 2: So I suspect that it was going to be majority Republican, Like I guess if we talked to you know, twenty people, if you asked me to say a guess, I'd probably say, like, I guess me twelve thirteen like a majority, but not a not an overwalling majority. And I and again, I specifically went to community college on purpose because I do feel that when kids go to a community college and doesn't matter if you're white or black, or you know, what your background is, I think there's less of a focus when it comes to what you're learning on ideology from either side, because you're there to get education, and a lot of times there for two years, they're just two year colleges.
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Speaker 3: You're you're moving on from there.
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Speaker 2: I think they're less steeped in doctrine, less steep in politics. I think they're more like, hey, man, you're here for education and all the other stuff. Way to you go to UCLA or Berkeley or the other schools, and you then ideology will come into the place. So I chose that specifically. I think that was a good idea. But yeah, I assumed majority, but not an overalling majority.
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Speaker 3: That's why. That's why I thought coming in.
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Speaker 1: Okay, and then your results surprised you. So it was an overwhelming majority or or.
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Speaker 3: I think it was everything. I think it was every single person.
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Speaker 1: Every single person. Okay, good, okay, so real quick. Amy Horwitz is here with us today. Amy is an American conservative documentary filmmaker. He is a dear friend of mine and a friend of the show of course, and we're talking about a recent film he made. Having gone to Los Angeles Southwest College to ask students to take a blind taste test challenge to see if they lean more Republican or Democrat. As Amy just mentioned, the ready assumption was that, you know, most people would say that they were Democrat and ultimately after the challenge would end up learning that they held more conservative beliefs. And Amy was pleasantly surprised to learn that that was indeed true. Now I want to go through these, uh quickly. We don't have to take too much time. But I made some notes and I've campaign them. I've had a few days to kind of sit with this, and I want to challenge this. I love what you said about, Hey, you can talk to a Democrat and say, hey, do you want more or less policing? And a Democrat might say more policing and have you know, democratic values across the board, and still want more policing. That doesn't necessarily or in and of itself mean that a person it has a conservative or a Republican belief And I realize that you're painting with broad strokes and this is content creation and so forth. But do you have to go ahead?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm saying you have to video.
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Speaker 2: And I totally acknowledge that there's always some deficiencies when you when you pay, but you get the general jest.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, and now you know me, I'm going right for the deficiency. Let me stretch, let me get ready to get into it. Okay, all right, let's go to the first one, should women be able to get a late term abortion? That was the question, should women be able to get a late term abortion? Here I witnessed people. It seemed to me like there was an emotional response indeed to a lot of these questions. A lot of these questions. People they had these strong reactions ooh ah, that's a good one, you know that sort of thing, right.
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Speaker 2: And they were so thoughtful about each bo jump to an answer like, oh, you know what, let me marin it, I think one, let me merit it on this.
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Speaker 3: I love that that.
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Speaker 2: You know, they really they took it seriously. They didn't take us a joke.
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Speaker 3: And I really appreciated that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And that's that's what you said it better than I could. That's more or less what I was trying to say. So again, the question should women be able to get a late term abortion? I think, and again I have campaign this isn't just in my head, but I think that this sort of ignores the question asked state across the board, to all the folks, it ignores that late term abortions, generally speaking, they only take place when something significant has happened, or are there significant risk to the baby or to the mother some complication with the pregnancy. Typically, a person does not get pregnant, get to the point where they know that they're pregnant, and then get to the end of it. By then they've picked out a name, they have like, you know, they're excited for their baby to come. So generally speaking, when that happens, it's not you know what, I'm seven months and I just don't really I'm not feeling it anymore. That's not the majority of late term abortions that take place. Typically, it's a very sad thing, right, So to ask that question in that way, should women be able to get a late term abortion, I think it ignores the reality and what the data suggests is really taking place that in that chapter of a pregnancy. Furthermore, it's again it's not often the case that a woman will wait till the third trimester. But what I think we've seen with the Supreme Court sort of sending this decision down to the states, now Southern states get to legislate from the Bible, right where they believe in miracles and they believe that the will of God said the baby should you know whatever? And it you know, we don't know if the fetus is not going to be viable long term, if they're significant rest of the mother, how do you value one over the other? That sort of thing. And the states are doing this from the Bible and instead of case by case basis between a woman, her husband often enough or the father of the child and their medical provider, right, and so rather than taking a pragmatic approach to medicine that's based in science and data and so forth, these Southern states will legislate from the Bible, as they often do, and that leaves a lot to be desired. I want to put mildly because I realized that the show is right. And again to simply ask if the woman should be allowed to get a late term abortion, it almost frames the question as if it's like simply a choice again, which largely isn't true. It's usually a or it is a choice, I suppose, but not a not a choice that is a cavalier one. And to align a response of no with Republicans. I think that that might ignore the complexities of the politics surrounding the issue. Democrats, generally speaking, think the issue should be again a decision between a woman and her health care provider, and Republicans believe that it's an issue for the state. And I think that the more appropriate question to ask is should this decision be between a woman and a health care provider or should this decision be between the state and and a woman? And I think that in that question you might get some more precise responses that a align more ideologically speaking with Democrats and Republicans, and B you still get the emotional response from the folks that are doing the Taste has challenge. You get everything that you need there, but you also get a sense of how people arrive at their conclusions and why. And I know that it's it's not a much longer question. In fact, I think it's the same amount of letters I or words rather because I did this because I'm like, how do I say this to Ami? Because I know that's a good faith question on your end. But I don't think it's as simple as should women be able to get late term abortions? Yes or no? Yes means that you're a Democrat. No means you're a Republican. And again I know that that's not the point. This isn't purely scientific. This is just to let people know that there's a different paradigm to which they could align themselves with if they so chose. I just wanted to submit that to you and see what you thought before we moved a question.
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Speaker 2: Too totally fair, and I'll just I'll say that, so I chose that the wording specifically, had I changed the wording to should we make illegal a late term abortion that's by choice and not a medical issue, I would submit to you that one hunt every single person I spoke to would say no. My guess is and that's a guest. I don't know. It wouldn't have been like I think that abortion question was. I don't remember all the numbers, but I think maybe it was like sixty percent or we're against it and forty percent were for it. Had I changed the language say by choice, it would have been overwhelmingly yes. I left it a little bit open so they could also say, like, it includes all things, including if there were medical issues. Now, my interestingly, my personal opinion is that if a woman is has a later abortion and her life is on the line. For I'm a pretty moderate abortion no question that abortion should be should should be right. That's my belief. It's actually more, it's actually a very Jewish belief. I'll push back on one thing. One thing in particular is that and and by the way, and not not that you. I mean, it's hard to I assumed you were right before. I did actually research on this for a distion issue a couple of years ago, that when you said that the vast majority of later abortions are not choice, Like, hey, man, you know what, I'm six months in I'm I don't want to do this, and there for medical reasons. I thought the same thing. So there's I wish I had it on me. I can look it up maybe over the break. So it was study was done by I think it's called the Haymaker Institute. It's a pro abortion probably the biggest pro abortion think tank in the country. And they did analysis for a few thousand women who got later abortions, but what your choices were, And shockingly, and I was shocked, the majority of women who got the abortions did it. But it was not a medical reason. It was I broke up with my boyfriend or husband. I realized the abortion clinic is too far away from my house. Actually, things that were I don't want to say trivial or cavalier, you said, which is a great word, it turned out. And again I wish I had the data in front of me because the data is really important. But this institute called, and I'll look it up on the break, the High Micro Institute. It's a big pro abortion. Clearly institute did say that it did. They were surprised also that it was a majority. It wasn't an overalling majority, but it was a majority of women who did it by choice. Having said that, I don't want to take away the choice of any woman who wants to get an abortion for medical reasons, because that is I think psycho sync and I think is important. And you're right. The language that I use was was very broad, but broad on purpose.
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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I'll go with that. And again, this is simply a discussion. I want our listeners to to watch this because I listen to I mean, you know, this is the Black Information Network, this is Radio Posit, this is you know, this is the show is shared widely. You know, I heard everything like that. And so there's a lot of different people with a lot of different beliefs, and you know, people might, as you mentioned, you know you're a moderate on this, you might be lean more conservative on that, you might lean more liberal on something else. You know, Lord knows, you and I have had conversations where you've met me where I am, and I'm surprised by that. I'm sure the day will come and I'll meet you somewhere because I I you're a brilliant mind, and you know I will get there. I do maintain that it is not impossible, unlikely, but not impossible.
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Speaker 2: No, that is it is my one goal of life.
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Speaker 1: I hey, am right here with you, so so real quick just to add and please you know you do it yourself. Just because I had a moment while you were chatting, I googled it. Are the majority of late term abortions medically necessarily, sary or simply a choice? And what I got back says abortions performed later in pregnancy at or after twenty one weeks are rare, accounting for about one percent of all US procedures. Research indicates that these later procedures stem from a mix of severe medical complications, feedal anomalies and systemic barriers that delay care rather than a simple elective choice. So at least in that first paragraphs, it's leaning in that direction of this isn't something where a person is like, you know what, I'm eight months pregnant, just not really feel anymore. Let's get this baby up out of here. However, as you mentioned over the break, i'd love for you to find that data because we like I would love for you to tell me something that I don't know. I know you love when I tell you something that you don't know. But I want to make sure we get enough in the show to where we can really address all of this stuff. So so for now we'll move on. Well, actually we.
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Speaker 2: Could do a whole show, by the way, on AI and how.
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Speaker 1: AI, how it aggregates information, It's all that sort of stuff. And again, I don't know that this is right or wrong. I'm just letting you know what I found so that you can come back. I fully expect that what you said is accurate and you're going to have everything. I don't think you would just say that if it wasn't true or you didn't come across it right. So please by all means, you know, help.
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Speaker 2: I did the research specifically for an X that we had a debate on, Gotcha, and I was like, I'm gonna actually do a deep dive on this.
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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well real quick, let's take a break right here, and we'll come right back with a little bit more because we do have a few more questions that we want to get to. Today's guest, Amy Horwitz is an American conservative documentary filmmaker and activist. He is the writer, producer, and director of Amy on l Lous, a satirical short film series. He's also the host of a recent documentary, The Art of War, look into the practices of the IDF. Recently, Amy went to Los Angeles Southwest College to ask students to take a blind taste test challenge to see if they lean more Republican or Democrat. Ammy, thank you for hanging out with us, and again, full disclosure, folks, and miss first half. Amy is a friend of the show. Ammy and I see the world in very different ways, but we confer a few times a year. We'd like to do it for the show, but we also do it in person. Amy is actually my friend. I do care about him. I care about his family, and he is my conservative friend. He gives me insight into a world that I don't fully understand, and I hope that I do the same. And so this is the conversation we're having. It's going to sound like we're not the best of friends, but I can assure you that I love Amy with my whole heart, and Amy feels the same way about me. Don't let me speak for you can certainly flatter me all you like, Amy, But let's get back to the conversation. So we talked about the first question, should women be able to get a late term abortion? Yes or no? You asked that question to the students on the campus, and these students who admitted that they were Democrats, they would vote Democrat. A lot of their answers I think you said sixty forty or something about somewhere around there. A lot of the answers were answers that they that surprised them, because when you read the results, it turned out that they gave you answers that would be typical of a conservative person taking the blind taste test challenge. So that was the first question. The second one, should we spend more time and effort stopping illegal immigration or less time. Now, before I get to my notes on this, I want to ask what was the what was the answer here? Because again, you're in Los Angeles, you know, Los Angeles that used to be Mexico, you know, and everyone there knows it. Mexican people are a way of life. Spanish is a part of like, you know what I mean. And so I wonder what the response was from the students you mentioned sixty forty with the previous question, what did it look like for this one?
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Speaker 2: Overwhelming?
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Speaker 1: Really?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Okay? Okay? So and I'm assuming overwhelmingly people wanted to spend more time and effort stopping illegal immigration. Yeah, okay, got you? Okay, So that surprises me because again that's that's la, That's what you know. I'm from Land.
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Speaker 2: This is me too, all.
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Speaker 1: Right, Okay, So let me get to my thoughts on again. A lot of these have to do with the question should we spend more time and efforts stopping illegal immigration or less time? This question, I think could. I'm sure you'd push back and I would allow that, but it could. It's not impossible. This question, as it stated, could lead the interviewee to an answer that not you, but a person might want. It's not impossible for any question to do that. So if you allow me that, then I'll continue. Sure, as a person that has had to have really challenging conversations with people who understand the immigration process, We've gone through the immigration process, who had to go through it several times before they actually got their citizenship, who advocate for immigrants. My brother is an immigration attorney in Los Angeles. Right, this is something that I've paid particular attention to over the years, and my understanding is that a streamlined process for legal immigration instead of one that changes every four years with every administration, one that's so politicized and you know, whips up fear among people. You know, you know there's an invasion and everyone's coming to kill your kids, and then you're more likely to die in a whatever. You know, They're made to fear things that just in terms of data, aren't as likely as a number of other things that we can control, right there, Ques, Yeah, sure, absolutely, And it's from both sides. That's something that you and I have well established, both sides meaning Democrats and Republicans. But this particular issue, the result of questions like this, you know, presented in mass to an entire population. And by the way, the United States of America is not the first to wrestle with immigration. People have been wrestling with immigrants since there have been people full stop, right, and what do you do with immigrants? Do you treat them kindly? Do you you know, whatever? Or do you treat them like others and outsiders and whatever? And you know, depending on which ancient text you read for your faith, I'm sure you'll find what suits you, you know, because you can cherry pick. They're all like contradicting themselves anywhere. However, I say that to say that this is a long standing issue that people have been wrestling with for a long time. However, in this country, those people that I've been educated by have suggested that a big reason why so many people do not complete their path to citizenship is because it's extremely complicated and it's not optimized for citizenship. We want them to pay taxes. We should streamline their citizenship the application or the you know, whatever that process is associated. We want people to be compliant and have all their paperworking order. We need to make it simpler, not more complicated. It needs to be consistent, not changer before you. So this is my understanding, something that's not crazy expensive, because it is crazy expensive, especially when you have to keep spending over and over again, and it takes you think it take three years, and as have taken twelve years, and then so for nine years you're vulnerable and yet and still you've made a life here, you're paying taxes, cannot benefit from the system that you're paying taxes into, and you live in a world full of people who've been made to fear you as though you somehow are harming them. You know. I think it's something like seventy percent of the people that are in ICE detention right now, these are ices numbered by the way, seventy percent have never had any criminal interaction with the police or the government or anything like that ever in their lives. And the thirty percent that have a lot of those people it's just small, petty misdemeanor stuff, you know. It's like anybody could get swept up in. And so this is something that I think, I think that you get more nuanced responses when people have all of the data presented to them, People that have been susceptible to fear mongering, people that recognize that you know, ice, you know, because ice is the term right now. Ice is.
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Speaker 2: So, Remember, it wasn't so in general with the question, it wasn't my. I didn't see it as my. So that question particular was very.
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Speaker 1: Open ended, right, sure, Yeah, you could.
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Speaker 2: Interpret that different ways. You could have interpreted as should we spend more time gathering people up and throwing them out of the country, or you could have interpreted as just more people on border stopped from coming in. It was open ended specifically because I wanted the person I'm asking to come up with their own view on what that means and how to answer it, and more of a temperature of it than specific like yes, I could have said I could. We could have got into the weeds on each one. It's also I don't see as my job to resent to them data like okay, people in the ice facilities and ice tension centers like that was it was not. It's not my role to give them because I have my You know, they say about data, you know you can, you can torture it, and you'll say anything you wanted to do. There are some by the way, I don't actually agree with that necessarily. There's some truth to that, but I think data is pretty much data. I think you and I can usually agree on our data sets. Sometimes there's data beyond the data which gives it the first set more context, are more accurate. But I actually don't believe that you can twist data to say what you want. Actual actually don't believe that. I think data is usually pretty pretty solid. You can the data itself could be interpreted by you or me differently, for sure. But it wasn't my job in this thing to say to them, Hey, by the way, you should know, here's how people came in illegally under Biden or and this is under Trump, and you know, because that was coloring it too much. I kind of wanted to give them and these are generally overly open questions for that specific reason, so they can say to themselves, hey, how do I interpret this?
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Speaker 1: Okay? So so if if I give you that, and I will you, I would hope would at least allow for the possibility on my end that if we are in a cultural paradigm at present where hot button issues include terms like ice, illegal immigration, invasion, that sort of thing, and the influence of the media people like you and me, but also indeed the administration creating this boogeyman, where I assume there are some definitely bad actors, but for the most part, immigrants are less likely to commit crimes in the United States and American citizens are. And that's not even for the most part that I know. I've covered that at least twice, they're statistically less likely. So when the again the cultural zeitgeist, suggests that immigrants are the problem, and that's all that folks have coming into this conversation, I would ask that you allow for the possibility that asking this question in this way doesn't necessarily get to the moral north star of a person, because without that context, I don't think that you can, particularly if they are leaning simply on what they know to be true in the moment, and so to determine that they are morally or ideologically rather aligned with conservatives or Republicans based on that question Sam's context, you're getting a person that's a in a moment that they perhaps are caught up in the fear that exists again in that culture, in that paradigm. And so again I can't say you're wrong, and I know that you're going to say this, so I'll say it for you. I don't want to deny these people their autonomy, their capacity to make a choice. You did say you left opening questions for them to approach as they saw fit. This is the way ballots work, This is the way democracy works. Those are all fair points. You got it on me, But I think that you know what I'm saying here and again, getting to the moral north star of a person to determine whether where they fall ideologically speaking, having more context, I think gets you closer to the true alignment of who this person is, rather than having less. And again, it's not a job, but I think.
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Speaker 2: That way, I get it. I get it. Like my guess is, look, if I ask them, hey, should we take dreamers and pull them out of their families and throw them back to the country of origin or the country that their family was from, my guess is the vast majority would say no, right. And if I ask them, hey, should we have more policing on the border to stop a legal immigrant from coming in? My guess is they would all say yes, sure. So yeah, of course I could have changed the question to color it, and I know would have gone in a certain way, but that's why it made it. Yes, do we know they're moral north star? Specifically on the issue, No, right, because I wasn't asking for that. It was more of a temperature check on how they feel on it for the larger question of, hey, do they hold more conservative values rather than liberal values or progressive and even better progressive versus versus but even conservative? I don't you know what. I gotta be honest with you. I don't know what conservative is anymore? Like is is uh? Is Martie Taylor Green a conservative? Is uh uh? C Carlson a conservative? I don't think so. I think they're insane people who are off the rails, who've left the conservative value front. Piker, Yeah, oh yeah, they're not convey Do I think Hassan Piker is a liberal? No, I think sound Piker's a crazy, insane leftist who actually has more in common with Tucker Carlson than has it with me. For you, Okay, so left right, This whole horseshoe theory changes all this whole dynamic about republican democrat conservative liberal. I gotta be honest, I don't think we have the proper terminology for it these days. But I'm music conservative liberal as a for what we traditionally looked at.
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Speaker 1: That's okay. That's that's that's a whole.
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Speaker 2: We should need to talk we should talk about this horseshoe theory. Yeah, heart right and the hardly I think that's a whole other fascinating thing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Look, man, Jesus, consider this the second home. Okay, we'll talk about but I want to again focused on the documentary again for folks who are just joining us. Amy Horowitz is on with us today, an American conservative documentary filmmaker and activist. Recently, Amy went to Los Angeles Southwest College to ask students to take a blind taste test challenge to see if they lean more Republican or Democrats. So the next question that you asked, and we got to get through these little quicker because I want to make sure I get them all in. But should parents have more control over education or less control over education? And I think that assigning one of those answers yes or no to Republicans and the other one to Democrats, I think that there might be that might be a less than accurate way of determining who value what values a person have. So here's what I'll share, and then of course I want your response. But of course, in this country, parents have the right to homeschool their children or supplement their children's education as they see fit. That is just a general statement I wanted to make. Republicans generally want less federal control over education and more state and parental control, whereas Democrats are more favorable toward federal oversight and public school regulations. And the two parties approach control quote unquote in very different ways, but of course they do approach control right and and across the different levels of government, local, state, federal, you know, there's different approaches to that. Again, Generally speaking, Republican support decentralized power by abolishing or reducing the federal Department of Education and shifting authority back to states and local school districts. Democrats generally view the federal government as an important guaranteur of civil rights, equitable funding, standard support for public institutions. So the the issue isn't necessarily parental control.
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Speaker 2: You know what, the whole one question I had, I would redo. That's probably that's probably.
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Speaker 1: That one right there, this one, So yeah, that's a.
00:42:47
Speaker 2: Fair that's a very fair pushback. And I think if I had to redo, it contains twenty twenty. Obviously, I probably would have focused more on charter schools as a question, because you know, it's so funny. I find that particularly among the black this is everybody, it's not just the Black community, but obviously applies to the Black community. That everyone. The lived experiences that you have obviously color your perspective on the world. And I think that when it comes to the live experiences of the Black community with education and crime in particular, I think that those are two things they tend to have more conservative beliefs on because that's been their experience. And it's not about the argument whether not charter schools are better or not better. That's not debate on it. The reality is that most Black people support charter schools because they perceive it as a better school than the local public school. And yeah, all that data and asturity, you've seen that that overwhelming support the inner City for charter schools. Again, not debating which one's more effective, but it's perceived by the Black community is more effective, and they and they are they are more likely than not to say, hey could rather advocate in charter school And that's the one one I think that if I had to do a do over, I'd probably do over language of that one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then just between me and you, of course, and I don't I don't expect you. Yeah, just me and you. That's it, man, forget the whole world. But but this question just you can push back if you, if you so choose. With this question, I think, in the general sense, in terms of Republicans democrats, has a lot more to do with history. How is history taught? Then it has to do with really anything else, with mathematics and algebra and language, arts and you know, all the you know, sciences and all this sort of really history the way history is taught. And watch this. I was very fair here, Amy, So watch this. Democrats generally speaking want the full history taught, and Republicans generally speaking, prefer selective lessons rolled out at intervals that they deem appropriate. Right, So I don't think I was unkind. You could, of course push back. Maybe there's a better way to say it. But I think that that is the difference, the fundamental difference that causes this question to even have the gravity about it that it does. It's really a history question. And so if you wanted to get again to the moral center of a person to determine what they value, what their community values, what they feel is appropriate for not just them but the country in which they live. I think that if we get a little closer, and again you've already admitted this is a question you would reapproach, but I think that somewhere a little closer to that, I think we might find really what the moral center of these moral is the wrong word. I don't want to say it because that makes it seem like one group is immoral in the other is moral, and I don't believe. Yeah, but how about ideologically aligned?
00:45:54
Speaker 2: Right?
00:45:54
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a fair play, And I appreciate you know, the pushback here.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if I agree with you. I think that the issue with the Republican versus Democrat on curriculum is not that one wants to teach one history versus another history. I think it's more about Republicans just believe, hey, local communities know better than the federal government or what to teach your particular community. And if the black community or charter school whatever it was like, hey, we want to do it with a larger focus on slavery rather than something else, I think republic go, hey, that's look your kids, that you're educating your community, and that's fine. I may or may not disagree with that. But it's really more about decentralized control and more local control than federal control than it actually specifically about how we want to teach history. If I could be.
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Speaker 1: Social, and when the day comes and we can get into the whys of that different questions, I will welcome that day because I know that you have friends that praguer you, and around here we know fully that peger you is exceptionally problematic. But I know you to be a decent man, and so I know that you will mount a masterful defense of that, and so I look forward to the day when we can have that conversation. Next question, Should there be okay, this one, I mean you're gonna you're gonna hear it right when I say it. You asked children, Yeah, you have no money on a college campus. Should there be generally higher taxes? Are generally lower taxes? Mike in their face, Go give me the answer so you can hear it.
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Speaker 2: So I I, yeah, I don't know, that's so wild.
00:47:36
Speaker 1: I think that it didn't defend it. Hell, go ahead, and I look, I mean.
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Speaker 2: I was a poor student, so I can totally understand what that's what that's like. Now, the truth is the poor they so they actually don't really pay taxes, right, So the truth is that the poor you are, the less taxes you're actually paying. Are you paying more as a percentage of you know, Obviously, the argument that a billionaire feels a forty percent tax rate less than a poor person who feels a ten percent tax rate is one hundred percent true by the way, right that, Yeah, forty percent is higher than ten percent of your income. But the truth is, if you're making millions of dollars, forty percent doesn't affect you in a real way like ten percent doesn't. You're poor, totally true. But when you're that young, you're not really paying taxes at the end of the day, you just you don't make that threshold usually to get over that that number, some do because if some have to work for like for real and pay for for real for like their parents and their families, And that's a different story. And I don't obviously I don't presume to know what each one of their individual situations are like. But look, I think that p I think that sounds like an overly simplistic question, and it is one hundred percent, but I think it does cut to the heart of, hey, do we want to have a higher tax society in order to pay for things versus a lower tax society with the government's paying for less things.
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Speaker 1: That would have been a question that I think.
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Speaker 2: And yes, okay, I could have Yes.
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Speaker 1: There it is that now I.
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Speaker 2: Did kind of to You're right, I did kind of touch that about with the should we have you read the question from having reviewed the little while the higher taxes for more social programs?
00:49:16
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and I'll get to that.
00:49:18
Speaker 2: I'll go those two kind of blend into one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So so give me a second. Okay, So my thoughts here were exactly what you said. You know, generally speaking, everyone's going to answer that question should there generally be higher taxes or lower taxes? Everyson's gonna answer that question the same way. The question really is, as you mentioned, what does society look like when there are higher taxes? Are there is there better health care, more more accessible health care for more people? Are there less homeless people? Because taxes? You know, what is what are the taxes going to How the taxes improve the health of the general society, and how much of your personal fiscal autonomy. Do you want to give up in order to live in a society that has less in the way of things that might you might want to see or might not want to see, whatever the case is. And so again, just do you want to pay more or less taxes to anybody? Even people that don't pay a lot of taxes that you know? And then, of course, you know, for a person like me with a lot in the way of context, I would point to a lot of the To be fair, they are capitalist countries, but they have exceptionally robust socialist programs and ideologies in terms of the framing of their society. Think you know Norway, thank Sweden, you know all those places exactly, and they do.
00:50:31
Speaker 2: If I ask you the question, you would say higher taxes, right, generally higher taxes right.
00:50:37
Speaker 1: Well, again, it's it's contingent upon like, do I want to give this administration more taxes? No? This administration is problem.
00:50:48
Speaker 2: Has made you a fiscal conservative?
00:50:50
Speaker 1: Perhaps perhaps in this moment you could say that, yeah, but when we're I think you can do better. Man, keep trying. But yeah, in the moment, you got me, okay, But you know, I think your point is well made, and again it's sort of circumstantial just asking that question. I don't think it gets to the thrust of where a person's ideas and who they are as a person would would be so ammy. There's a handful of questions here leftover. I don't know if we'll get to them, but I do want to make sure that we get in uh sort of your you know, uh ten thousand foot overview of you know, where the black community is or where in your estimation the black community is versus where the black community thinks they are. Are really just some conclusions that you have from this uh this you know study, case study on this college campus. So so again, bring us into your experience here and what you've learned.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Again, the video itself is obviously anecdotal. It's not you know, it is a data point, obviously, but it doesn't it doesn't prove or disprove anything in particular. But it's fine as interesting and it does. But then the data does show something very similar to what the video is trying to impart which is so okay. Obviously, black people have voted overwhelming a Democrat of the last few decades ninety percent. Like it's a very very high number. And what's fascinating is while they vote Democrat, they tend to be against the more progressive movements right. And a great example is so when you know, obviously we're talking about the DSA real quick, but you know, when Bernie Sanders was running against Joe Biden, Bertie Sanders, we kind of forget, but he was running away with the selection. He won I think the first three primaries. And what happened was it went to South Carolina and Jim Clyborne said, no, no, no, no, no, no no, We're not having a comrade Bernie run this party. We're gonna have Uncle Joe run this party. And he put his foot down and the South Carolina for Joe Biden. And it was lights out for Bernie after that, because I think the black community is like, we're not down with Bernie Sanders, we are not down with the hard left. And look, the DSAS is three maybe four percent black right over overall community of thirteen to fifteen percent around the country. And again it goes back to the lived experiences, and they're particularly conservative issues, particularly conservative on issues that affect the community. And I we talk abut education and crime, high belief in God. Something that surprised me. A data point by the Brennan Institute, which they'll get a liberal think tank, was that the majority of not a huge majority, but a majority of black people polled were against Medicare for all. They were for a public choice right and there werefore having medicaid for people who are poor, medicare for people are old. They like the system as it is, but they were against Medicare for all, you know, maybe the most. And by the way, I well, I can talk about after I did find the gotten Mocker Institute, which is the one on later abortion. But it's there's some so for example, some interesting Uh there was a gallop pole done that showed that black people who were identified seventy five percent as liberal twenty years ago now identify at forty eight percent liberal, so a significant decrease.
00:54:21
Speaker 1: And yet and yet do they still vote over one? Okay, all right, continues and I'll take you the.
00:54:27
Speaker 2: Most fascinating part of this whole equation is Mom Donnie. Okay, so when Mom Donnie was running for the primary right against I'm donning round the primary against uh helpmet here, it.
00:54:41
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter, I know what you're talking about it. I can't think of the name, you.
00:54:45
Speaker 2: Know, A a center left candidate versus Mo'm donnie, a hard left candidate. For the primary, Ma'm Donnie got crushed in the black communities. I'm Donny, what's up?
00:54:55
Speaker 1: Cuomo?
00:54:56
Speaker 2: Cuomo? Yes, Cuomo one beat him in all of the Hispanic and most of the Black and Hispanic communities, and Madonna got crushed when they ran against each other. As for the for the general election, when I'm Donnie ran as a Democrat and Cuomo as an independent, mam Donni won the Black vote, which was so fascinating and confusing to me. And then I realized it's because he had a d and that they were voting party line right, which again that the Mamdani kind of like explained that Tani phenomenon explains the black community's voting patterns right. They don't agree with mom Donnie's position, They prefer the center left positions, but ultimately still reverted back to Democrat right, which I found fascinating.
00:55:40
Speaker 1: Do you do you think you know why that is? Because I could tell you.
00:55:45
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll, i'll, I mean, you would I opposit at somebody in my in the video said, I mean they said a lot of fascinating things. One said, they're voting for Republicans in his communities, like voting for whiteness, right, and they they conflate Republican and white. And then the other one, another woman said it's political inheritance. But yeah, of course I want the answer from Okay.
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Speaker 1: I understand why they would say that in the video, and I remember the gentleman you were interviewing saying that I think that they're on the right track. But in terms of which party has actively tried to do things for the black community or gotten behind or supported endeavors intended to benefit the black community. You mentioned the shift away from black people were voting Republican to black people voting Democrat. That actually started during the Great Depression, and then it culminated in the sixties with Lyndon Johnson. But there started to be a shift the way, and it was because the Republicans in power during the Great Depression. There were local and state laws, mostly local laws, but again these were Republicans and they were prioritizing giving assistance to white families over black families, and Democrats did not have that, or they were campaigning on the fact that that was wrong and that was immoral and unjust. And so that's where you see the shift begin, right, and then over the years, the civil rights movement, the the BLM protests, you know, these sorts of things, you see a pushback whenever there's this, I guess push forward. You see this push for the advancement of a black agenda, the remedying, the defying of past injustices, you know, the teaching of the full accurate history so that white people have context so they don't grow up and be as racist as the people that we had to grow up with. Right, So, all of that stuff happens, and Democrats is the only ones that are actually putting our democrats perfect absolutely not Democrats is the reason why black men and black women aren't married at the same rates. Right, Democrat, I could go through a lot of problems that stem from democratic legislation, but it's the Republicans that actively, at every point in history over the past one hundred years plus years, pushed back against the decidedly progressive agenda that benefited black people. And so if you have a Democrat running for a Republican, you can find black people that say, you know what my values align with the Republican Party, at least what the Republican Party purports to espouse. My values are there. I believe in Jesus, I believe in God. I don't think that men should do this and women shouldn't do that, and blah blah blah, all the questions that we haven't gotten to. But that group is the same group with the Clan, with the Nazis and everybody over there. Voting is voting for a world that the clan wants to live in and the Nazis want to live in, and they're all helping bring the Nazis' vision to life. And the Democrats are the only ones that I see that actually don't have a problem with withal with any of that Sagan currently or historically both.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So we obviously we differ on that, although not by the way we differ on that to an extent. There is no question that there is that there is a push on a certain portion of the Conservative Republican agenda, the Isolation's agenda, which is no question pushing for things like that, right, And so I don't one hundred percent agree, but I agree a little bit right, more certainly more now than it was ten twenty years ago. Right, I look, you're everything said is obviously one hundred percent true, except that I would argue that it depends on how you view on what's better for the black community. Right, one would argue, is is is.
01:00:33
Speaker 1: Voter disenfranchisement.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, again, I don't know. I don't know if black people harson agree with you on voters enfranchise.
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Speaker 1: So have you seen the response in Alabama and Mississippi and so forth and all those Republican states, how black people have been mobilized and they're turning out in record numbers in response literally in response to the voter suppression initiatives, the packing, the cracking and packing that was done to weaken the black vote and all those in states. This is stuff that we have to cover for sure.
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Speaker 2: But but I by the way, I would but I would say most black people in the and I obviously I did one of my more famous videos was on voter ide laws in the black community, I would say, if you're if you're north of the Mason Dixon line, I think most black people were like, yeah, I don't see this enfranchise and I want to I'm down with it, I don't I don't feel like maybe some folks in the in the South might feel for it, but I do think that again, the issues that are important to a black family. And by the way, when I say black family, this this goes really large for any family. Right, every family votes based on their lived experiences. Yeah, I think. Look, I think we you and I are agreement. You do agree with my overall premise that black people are more conservative than most people think they are.
01:01:50
Speaker 1: What I agree with is that black people, I think are more diverse than they're as diverse as any group of people. I would go with that. However, black people's options in a binary will support what the history, the historical and current record suggests is Like. Again, if there's a group talking about reparations to address past injustices, and black people feel that there have been pasted injustices, that's the group that we align with in terms of that category. And if there's a group that says, nope, everything's equal, everybody's always been equal and we don't have to look past because blah blah blah, and there's no such thing as a head start, and that does not reflect the reality of black people's lives or the data, and it's not as ideological it's very scientific this stuff. There's a reason ninety was ninety two percent Black women voted for Kama Harrison, probably more ninety three somewhere in there. I don't think that ninety two percent of Black women are uninformed. I don't think that they're wrong whatever duped tricked. I think think that that aligns with again, the lived experience. Now, do those are the conservative values?
01:03:07
Speaker 2: So black men vote for Trump? Right?
01:03:10
Speaker 1: Yeah?
01:03:10
Speaker 2: Fair?
01:03:11
Speaker 1: But you know, to be to be fair, men are the entrepreneurs. Trump is an entrepreneur. Men that didn't vote for a Kamala Harris. You know there there's most most of the Black conservatives you're gonna find are going to be men, right, So there's always going.
01:03:25
Speaker 2: To be a live experienced Also, you're right, men are the entrepreneurs, are the ones who are working for them. You know. The last thing I'm going to live experience even than black women.
01:03:33
Speaker 1: But last thing I'm gonna say here is that in that election, the two most pronounced voting trends by race were Black women and of course black men. Everybody else was in the middle. But I think that still shows the point that I'm making, which is Black people overwhelmingly I don't think black people are stupid. I don't think you that on me. I don't think black people are uneducated. I don't think you think that Amy. I think that black people overwhelmingly understand that of the two parties in this country, of that binary, whether or not I identify with some of the values over here, I will support the push and the effort that these people are putting in to actually do something anything to change the outcomes that we're seeing in the data, and that I don't think it has to be more more complicated than that. If Republicans really want to court the black vote, hey, how do you really feel about this, that or the other thing? And what are you going to do about it? Do black people have a different experience in this country? Yes or no? If the Republicans say no, then black people are not going to just be like, all right, well, all ninety three percent of us need to go vote for Republicans. No, we absolutely have a different experience, not just in the data, but in our real lives. You know.
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Speaker 2: Look, and I think a point of difference officely between us where we get down to it is is how can any group you know succeed or fail? And what are the what are the building blocks for that success or that failure? And I would argue, and I think you would argue. Part of the other side is that I think the more even the playing field, get out of my way, let me be me, let me do what I need is best for me and my family. You the state, get the l on my way. I think that that's a building block for any group. Right. And look, by the way, what you know a staff that I that I love and I've said a whole bunch of times the price on your show before. Is that one of the most successful, if not yeah, if not one of the if not the most successful, one of the top five most successful immigrant groups in this country are Nigeria's right. They don't have the baggage of the the black community in America who were born here or have you know generations here, Right, there's they were They're devoid of that. They came here as from an immigrant experience in Nigeria, and there's like, hey man, just let me do my business and I will do for my family. And they're incredibly successful, right, And I think that's a and And there's the they're the largest black immigroupment country. And I would suggest humbly that that's the model, right, and that I think that you are seeing. Yes, you're there's nothing. Obviously you're right about how the legacy of the parties have been toward the black community, although I would argue the Democrats in their history have been just as bad, if not worse.
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Speaker 3: A lot of cases.
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Speaker 1: You have to go back, you.
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Speaker 2: Know, even the Dixiecrats in the early in the early twentieth century. You know, I think you know, in the even up to the forties and fifties.
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Speaker 1: Well, in the last hundred years, I think we have that's the last hundre years. But in the last hundred years, I think we've seen what we're seeing now. But but go ahead, but I.
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Speaker 2: Think that.
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Speaker 3: I do.
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Speaker 2: I do you suspect that over the next twenty five years. I think you're going to see the diversity of vote that you see in every other community happen in the black community because you have the diversity of thought in the black community like we have in any other community. Like you just said, is that it's not ninety ten liberal versus conservative in the black community, right, In fact, the data shows differently. I think that you will see I think you'll see it more as the DSA gets stronger, I think you're going to see a pushback in the black community sooner rather than later, because they're going to say those values are not my values. And given the binary choice between a generic Republican or a DSA candidate, I think you're gone significant wing to Republicans.
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Speaker 1: Well, I ammy, you might be right. There are three hundred thousand black women that lost their jobs last year because Trump put pressure on the private sector to roll back diversity, equity and initiative conclusions. That those three hundred thousand and black women professionals would argue with that. But you know, you might be right, But I know that we're short on time. We've been short on time, we've gone over In fact, I might have to edit this, but I would love for you to keep coming back. I'd love for you to keep having these conversations with I'm really sorry I couldn't get to all the questions, but I love you so much. You're still my brother. You always will be. Do me if I ever let everybody know where they can go and see the video of you on the college campus. And of course we're going to make sure that we provide a soft place for you to land. Next time you want to come onto the show and we'll keep talking.
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Speaker 2: It's always a pleasure. Just put am Horoitz Black political test in Google and it'll all come up. But they go to Ami Horowitz at any of the socials and they can find it there.
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Speaker 1: Amy, I love your brother, all right, Well, come back anytime, man, We'll talk soon. Okay.
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Speaker 2: I love it, Thank you, brother,