Bone Tomahawk

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Welcome back to another episode of Cinema De More. I'm your host Chuck, joined by... Justin.
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And we're back. I get to go this time. You had two in a row.
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You finally let me talk about a movie.
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And then you'll have two in a row. Yeah.
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Gotta make it fair. I guess it's fair. Yeah. But yeah, this time we're talking
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about a good old western.
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You know, a little bit of a horror western. western horror however you want
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to put that yeah bone tomahawk,
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Earns its name. Yeah. That weapon
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is featured multiple times by multiple characters, killing everybody.
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It's a prominently featured weapon.
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What is a bone tomahawk? You will find out.
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I mean, they're actually kind of funny, because they pretty much just look like
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jawbones, and they don't really look like they would hurt people the way that
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they do, but use your imagination.
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Yeah, this is, what would we say, like 11 years ago, 2015, this came out.
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It's got, I mean, a pretty decent cast. I mean, mostly, it's pretty much all
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character actors and then Kurt Russell.
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I mean, you know, interesting that they got Kurt Russell for such a low-budget
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movie. Like, feels like he was probably working for free on this.
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Maybe just because he loves, I mean, he clearly does love westerns. It was very low budget.
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I know the first accountant that worked on this, and I think even the accounting
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team was like two people or three people or something, very, very low.
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And it blows my mind because I would say most of the cast is recognizable as
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either by name or their character actor that you recognize them in something else. Yeah.
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More known than unknown for what it was.
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For as low of a budget movie as it is. When it starts out, you get Bill Moseley
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and David Arquette, and you're like, okay, those guys are low budget. Sid Haig.
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I always switch their names around.
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You get the two of them in the beginning, and they're low budget guys. You don't expect...
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You're like, okay, this is a straight to DVD level with these actors.
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And then when they get to the main town and it's just,
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richard jenkins matthew fox patrick wilson
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yeah kurt russell it's like everyone just keeps
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popping up you're like i mean i know who all these people are
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they're all they're all like fairly fairly notable
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actors that a lot of them are like award-nominated actors
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for their work so it's like yeah it's surprising that
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they got all these guys onto this movie for like i
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said i assume most of them are working for pretty much minimum actor
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paid by whatever the sag scale is to
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just to work on the movie right and
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it makes me wonder why i like
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it like does that director like does he just really really know people he has
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to he knows this is his first movie that he directed that he's credited for
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he did some cinematography way earlier.
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And I see one little fact here about him working as a catering chef as he was writing scripts.
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So it sounds like it looks like maybe he went to film school or started to do
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something for cinematography, couldn't break in, started doing catering work probably in Hollywood.
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And then somehow maybe I would like to think through his catering that he's just.
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Being like oh I can do this western and he just has his reel from his cinematography days,
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and he just sold these people and his filmography is not huge,
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I didn't see any of his other movies but I have heard of Brawl and Cell Sublock
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99 with Vince Vaughn and him and Vince Vaughn must have fucking hit it off because
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everything since it's a Vince Vaughn movie.
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It's this dragged across concrete, which I feel like maybe I heard about as some grindhouse thing.
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He's in that, and then there's an upcoming thing that he's working on called
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The Bookie and the Bruiser. It's a Vince Vaughn movie.
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Also, all these movies look pretty stacked, too.
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I feel like the brawl in the cell block one has well Don Johnson he reuses a
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lot of people Don Johnson is in a couple Udo Kier who just passed away,
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actually in this I should know his name but I think of him as Mr.
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Principal Strickland what is his name James Tolkien.
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He just recently passed away this year and when I saw him laying on the piano,
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I was like oh holy hell Chuck really does know how to pick them.
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He always picks a movie that somebody is freshly dead.
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Although you might have picked, I think you picked this one after he died.
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I don't think that this was your usual picking the movie and then the lead dies.
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Just predicting their death.
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But yeah, there's every I mean, more trivia just because, yeah,
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I'm going through the I'm going through the cast and trying to recognize any of the other names.
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The guy that plays the mayor is he's the brother Corey Hames character in Lost
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Boys. He's the other frog brother.
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OK, I didn't recognize him at all.
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I probably wouldn't have recognized the the pianist either of Strickland because
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they really don't show his face much at all.
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And yeah you only see him from the side yeah like even some things are really
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funny in this because like when it opens and it's Sid Haig and David Arquette
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they have like terrible western costumes.
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You know there's also like there's also like a like a continuity error where
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there's a there's a shot where David Arquette has like,
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He has like false teeth that are supposed to look like real bad.
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And then there's another shot where he's completely definitely just it's his regular teeth.
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Like they like they went with it and they probably couldn't talk right.
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And they're like, I just just take him out. We won't use him.
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Yeah, his hat's like a weird fedora thing. And and I also I didn't realize I
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didn't realize Sean Young is in the movie. She's the wife of the mayor.
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No, that's who's playing that character.
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Because the last thing I think I've really seen her in.
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Looks like Blade Runner where she was all CG'd and Ace Ventura.
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Oh, yeah. Her greatest role, actually.
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You know, you're going to ask me.
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No, and like some of the other ones, like I was sure that the guy that played
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Deputy Nick was going to be like the director or something because there were
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so many recognizable people and I'm like, I don't know who the hell that guy is.
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And even he's in a lot of stuff. I don't know if it's more or less before or after this.
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But yeah the one the guy
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that's uh the native american that they
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call the professor he's in fargo yeah it's on
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mclaren he's like he is like the go-to native
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american guy he is fantastic in fargo he's actually usually very very good in
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everything he's in but this he's like this he's barely in it but you know he's
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good yeah yeah i think uh i can't even remember because the shot had so many people win it.
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I almost want to say it's Matthew Fox, but somebody is vaguely racist,
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and he's like, hey, those aren't Native Americans, those are troglodytes.
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Get it right. Yeah, it is weird.
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It's for, yeah, being a tiny, low-budget Western in a time when no one's making
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Westerns, and the fact that they got all of these people to be in it,
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again, pretty much seemingly for nothing,
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for a first-time director is weird, but...
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Also, the stuff that they are doing to these people seem rough.
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Like, they are...
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Outside most of the time, I would assume maybe they drove them around by golf cart or something.
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But like the scenes where... Patrick Wilson maybe has the worst of it.
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He's always got to hobble around on that crutch and like fall over and roll down the hill.
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Yeah, Patrick Wilson's crawling all over the ground.
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Richard Jenkins and Kurt Russell, they're being drug across the ground.
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And i mean these are just the famous people because all the people that play the chocolate,
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troglodytes are are like continuously just
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naked covered in dirt and laying
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on the ground you know they're just constantly laying on the ground
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yeah i don't know this movie is i think maybe a better idea than than how it's
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executed i i think that like partially like it's very i think it's more impressive
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that it got made and has as many actors as well-known actors in it as it does,
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yeah i'm cool with the plot the plot's like a
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very kind of old school western while having
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like he has like 80s horror that he clearly loves like
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that like it feels like very much like
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i don't know yeah you definitely think of like friday the 13th level
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like the way the kills are shot yeah that's exactly
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how it is and some of them happen so quickly like i
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mean the scene later in the movie where the one guy loses his hand it's so quick
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it's like i didn't even like i knew he got attacked but i didn't realize till
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his hand was laying there that it's like oh yeah yeah he lost the whole thing
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but yeah they get they he loves he cuts off fingers he cuts people in half,
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he rips in the bodies.
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It's actually surprising to me that I feel like, how did David Arquette kill,
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happen off-screen, where they're like, yeah, they... You'd think they'd really
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stretch that and be like, oh, yeah, let's get a real good kill with David Arquette.
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And I mean, it's not perfect. It's, like, admirable, because,
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like, there's a scene where Patrick Wilson's digging into this guy,
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and the minute he kills him and he's over top of him, it's not a very good-looking
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puppet, but, like, it's still...
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Like, I'll let it slide, because it's, like, it's so...
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For the budget, I'm sure it's pretty good. I mean, for the most part,
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I think the story's decent. It's a good update of, you know,
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the classic Western, like something like The Searchers.
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That's like the standard, you know...
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Person kidnapped by indians and the the
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hero goes and saves her so i do like kind
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of flipping it with like the professor character who is
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native american is like don't compare me to those things they're
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not you know you guys are always complaining about indians like those guys aren't
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indians they're they're way different than us they're they're way worse like
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even i wouldn't go near them they're nothing they're nothing like me so yeah
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i do like the good horror spin on something like that the shot you're talking
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about that's like the only thing in the entire movie,
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that i feel like makes absolutely zero
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sense whatsoever and like doesn't hold up
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because it's like even from the very beginning when david
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arquette and sid egg are out and after they kill the guys which it's like it
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it's a good setup that feels like they're supposed to be the villains of the
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movie like they're murderous bandits that kill people and then they get taken
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out immediately well at least Sid Egg does it first by the troglodytes and then
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after everyone gets kidnapped but they keep talking about.
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What's that sound it's really musical it's
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not just the wind it's making a very specific note so it's like you eventually
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figure out by the time Patrick Wilson's out there by himself that you see that
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the troglodytes are making the sound and it's like a whistle that they communicate
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and when he kills that one,
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and he sees the thing in its neck and he goes, what is that, jewelry?
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And then he just rips that thing out of its neck and then you see him play it
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like a duck call or something like that.
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And I'm like, how on earth would he have remotely figured out that that's what that was?
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Yeah, there's a weird scene maybe.
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Ten minutes before that, where Matthew Fox hits the guy with his gun,
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you see air puff out of the neck, but at that point you haven't had a really
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good look at the neck, so I just felt like the guy got shot in the neck, I think, at that point.
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It's like a samurai movie where they're like lone wolf and cub where they're
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blowing the air out of the windpipe or something.
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Yeah, that's what that made me think of. But even still, those are two completely,
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like, that's Matthew Fox.
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Like, the viewer, we figure out, like, we can figure out, oh,
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yeah, that's the thing that they're clearly using to make a noise.
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Like, you can figure that out. But it makes no sense for how Patrick Wilson
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could possibly figure that out, because he's not even in that scene with Matthew Fox.
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They're in two completely different sections of the movie.
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That's like when he when he cuts the thing out and puts it in his pocket and
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then when he's just like crawling around he's like I'll just put this in my
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mouth and I'm like why oh what,
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yeah I do I mean and I like that scene too where he wants that kiss and Lily
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Simmons is like you just had that gross ass thing in your mouth and he like wipes his mouth,
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I mean you still like crap inside your mouth.
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Oh god i mean yeah you have to suspend
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some disbelief for this because i don't
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know they're savages but they're very good at tracking apparently and but they're
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also outsmarted by like dumb people sometimes i i don't i'm like love hate the
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sound design i don't really love the howling like,
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the sound that just generically sounds everywhere. And they're like,
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they see us, but the thing sounds like it's, it's alerting people from miles away.
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And I was like, they're just people. They don't have, I mean,
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they're not even, they're not even like evolved into something else.
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Like the creatures from the descent, they are just like brutally savage human beings.
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But I but I one thing I did
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like where I feel mixed about it the sound
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design was really good where you would
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hear the hero characters like you would hear Patrick Wilson's like stuff jangling
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off of him and you almost never heard the troglodytes like they popped up almost
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out of nowhere and I really like that in the sound design because it made their
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them showing up very unsettling,
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that there was no.
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No indication that they were coming or like how many of them that they were.
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I mean they did do math in the middle of the movie it'd be like there's 12 of
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them I mean that's who she saw like we don't even.
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We don't really know I think I'd have a hard time counting them if they were
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coming in and out in and out and all you know basically being like covered in,
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dust Most of them look the same other than the one with the tusks and the one with the bone mask.
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Right. The rest of them all look pretty much the same. Yeah. I...
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I don't know. I think it's weird how they were capable of tracking down David
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Arquette and in that town and taking the people.
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I find that harder to believe than the fact that there are these crazy savages
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out there that are cannibalistic and eating people, apparently not like...
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Like, they took the woman for what? They didn't do anything to her,
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or at least they don't indicate that they did anything to her.
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I mean, it's probably implied that they were saving her.
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Like, they say, yeah, I don't think... She was, like, the only person they didn't seem to harm at all.
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Yeah, and I mean, it has a lot of, I think, fun, although sometimes cartoonish, like...
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Or I would say, like, slapstick kind of stuff going on. And I like when they
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try to poison him with the opium.
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And I don't know. She's the doctor. She's so smart.
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And she just sort of like pinpoints like exactly by watching them being like,
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this guy's definitely dead.
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This one's going to be sick. This one's not going to be affected at all.
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And when they come back and they attack Kurt Russell and they cut him open with
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the bone tomahawk and they shove him.
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They have the flask that was sitting in the hot coal, so it's steaming hot,
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in his wound. I'm like, this is insane.
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I also did like them cutting that dude in half, the deputy sheriff.
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And I do like that line where Richard Jenkins' character and Kurt Russell,
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who I think are the most believable characters in this entire thing.
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But they make like jenkins like very gullible at points and i do like he's like is that true,
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yeah is that true that people are gonna come save us
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no i made that i made that up why would you make that up so he would feel good
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as he was dying like we were gonna event him he gets that and then he has like
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the he has the whole thing about the flea circus and and like yeah the wife has to be like, yeah,
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you know, most people are fakes, but that was a real one. And he's like, I knew it.
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My wife said the fleas were dead, and they were just glued to the pieces.
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But I knew that wasn't true. They did do a good job of picking the worst crew
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to go out and save these people.
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Like, two very old men. One guy with a broken leg.
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A broken leg, and Matthew Fox, I guess, was supposed to be the most...
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He's like the most accomplished, but he's also too cocky, I guess.
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He confuses me a little bit, too, because the character design,
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he is definitely too cocky, but he's wearing a nice suit to go track these people down,
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and you would think for somebody that's just so on top of it,
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they wouldn't be so dressed.
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They would be dressed for the occasion.
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Yeah.
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He goes fancy every time. He's so fancy and weird.
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But i feel like that it fits with like like
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to say that like all the characters are are like
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some of them are dumb or something like that it does fit with patrick wilson's
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mrs o'dwyer his wife who has like this whole speech it's like it's like yeah
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and you know what you know what the problem is stupid men that don't know what
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they're doing and just stick their noses in things they shouldn't and get involved
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in things they shouldn't like.
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Kind of like going back to, I think, a little bit of the implication,
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partially, is that probably David Arquette would have just moved on from that
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town had they not interacted with him.
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He probably just would have got his drink and then eventually just drifted off,
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and the Troglodytes might have just followed him somewhere else.
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Maybe they wouldn't have stuck around the town. but since he shot him they got
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involved in it got everyone kidnapped,
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then it's like then she's like and you
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guys are stupid for letting my husband with a broken leg try to come out here
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and like even when they're all in the prison cell and he's like he's like Richard
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Jenkins like don't worry we left a we left a path we left a trail and he's like
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why would you do that and he's like so he could follow us,
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he's like so he could follow you on a broken leg here,
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I mean it sounds like a terrible idea he's the it's really weird because I would feel that,
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he's more the main character but
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they don't but the way they divide up the screen time is a little odd yeah,
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Yeah. I mean, maybe in one version of the script, he was a little bit more,
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maybe he was more the main character until they got Kurt Russell on board and
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then it kind of shifted and it's like, well, we got Kurt Russell.
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We need to like, we need to have like a lot of, a lot of Kurt Russell in here.
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Yeah, I mean, I would say Kurt Russell's clearly the main character.
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The movie's telling us that he's the main character.
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But he also has, like, the least amount of stakes for going out there to do this.
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I do like that they made this like
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the smartest character is lily simmons
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character but in everything they
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basically are just in every movie that or show
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that i've seen her in they basically are just showing
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her off she's nude sex scene
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and that's how it starts so i
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did like when they're like we know we need
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you to go get o'dwyer to take care of this man and it
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ends up being her who's the like the smart doctor character
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and then i mean it's also it's
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also implied to like like to go back to her
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thing that it's like all the men in the movie are stupid in that
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even when kurt russell's in the town and the mayor and his wife show up to to
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talk about you know what we heard people were kidnapped what's going on and
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kurt russell like that just doesn't even talk to the mayor because he's like
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that's a waste of time i'm just going to talk to the wife because she's the
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one that's actually in charge like but no one would actually vote for a woman
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to be the mayor in the town,
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so the husband has to be the mayor, and he pretty much seems like he's an idiot
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and doesn't know anything.
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He's just like, how do you spell troglonites for the telegram?
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Yeah, I mean, I would say that the women probably aren't represented very well
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in this movie at all. I'm not surprised.
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Like, Kurt Russell's wife is fine, but she's pretty much like,
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you know, I'm gonna step out of the room while the men talk.
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And you got to do what you got to do. And then like the mayor's wife,
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who seems to be completely in control of the mayor, is like,
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she has power, but it's also like.
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I feel like this movie is more so saying, like, more about the mayor.
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Like, it's a shitty mayor because he lets his woman tell him what to do.
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That's kind of the message that the movie portrays.
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But yeah, I mean, I guess overall, the dialogue is, I think it's written like it's way too clever.
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And it should have been for the most part like maybe,
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broadened up a bit made it seem a little bit more natural or like had one character
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specifically that had like the weird quips and stuff that they would say but
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almost every character had,
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some weird very well written,
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dialogue you know like I don't know,
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they did get a good Richard Jenkins is always like, it's the opinion of the backup deputy. Yeah.
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And it's funny, too, because...
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Like I said before, Kurt Russell and I think Richard Jenkins really,
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really fit the story well.
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And then some people, like Sid Haig was okay, but David Arquette really doesn't
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fit too well in this world.
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Matthew Fox doesn't seem to fit too well in this world.
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And even Patrick Wilson doesn't seem like he belongs in this world at all.
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Some people just aren't made for Westerns. No, they're just like, yeah.
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They can't get it. they're like the jimmy stewarts or something and
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i i do like i do really enjoy some of
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the some of the comedic moments especially like early
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on too though i with the piano player is
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a good one where he's like looking at the sign and it's like three cents
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for one song six cents for two songs ten cents for three songs and you're like
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that doesn't make any sense it got more expensive if i asked for three songs
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shouldn't it get cheaper he's like i don't feel like playing three songs man
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that's why you gotta pay me extra for yeah i'm pretty tired by that third song
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Yeah, I'm talking about that third song.
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You gotta pay me extra. And then even when he drops the dime in,
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he's like, I know what a dime sounds like.
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And then he flips his sign over and it's like, starting fee is one drink. Yeah.
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Yeah, I mean, I like a lot of that stuff where it wants to breathe and,
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like, linger and world build.
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But at the same time, like, it's a very weird point when they're doing this
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part of the movie because you don't know who's important.
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Because it just started with these thieves and murderers who ended up,
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you know, killing and robbing people. And the one guy's on the run.
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David Arquette's character's on the run. And then it basically goes to.
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I feel like, do we see Kurt Russell before we get into the bar?
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We're being introduced to a lot of characters very fast.
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No, I think, I think we have, we have stuff in the bar and then it goes to,
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then it goes to Kurt Russell and Richard Jenkins.
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And we're already have Patrick Wilson and Lily Simmons stuff because they're
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established before they go over to be like, yeah, we shot this guy.
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Yeah. I mean, they do make some cool choices. I like the scene with the Mexicans,
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but I also feel like they don't follow through like entirely because like Richard
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Jenkins character goes over to see if that, if the second guy had a gun and he,
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I guess he didn't because like later Richard Jenkins character saying something
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about like, you really shouldn't have shot that guy.
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And I think he would have said something along the lines of like,
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oh, you were really right about that.
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But yeah, what they said, they, I mean, also to you almost think that they should
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have just made Matthew Fox's character like good at tracking people.
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And following them back to their cave or wherever they were from.
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Because as far as my understanding is, is the professor must have vaguely told
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him where he thinks they would be.
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And that's, like, what if you traveled five days and he was entirely wrong?
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He's like, I don't know. I thought that's where they were.
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Maybe they're nomads. Maybe they move all around. yeah
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they're so funny too like even the beginning is is i
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think it would be more comical with more comical actors but i do like them getting
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to like the indian barrel site and and like david arquette's like i don't think
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that we should mess with this and sid egg's like hell yeah we should just stomp
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right through the middle of the whole damn thing that's what we should do and i'm like,
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I also did really like in the beginning too.
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And it said throughout the movie from numerous other characters,
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the dumbest people are always the one that are, are always focused on how civilized they are.
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They're like, we're civilized, we're civilized people.
00:28:08.956 --> 00:28:12.696
It's fucking murdered people. We're the, we're pretty civilized people.
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We, we can deal with whatever the hell, you know, it's coming our way,
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Also, they got their money's worth with Kurt Russell growing his beard for Hateful Eight.
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Because I know they shot this around the same time. So, you know,
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maybe that was part of it.
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They met Kurt Russell and they're like, don't shave that beard.
00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:37.579
We need you to keep that beard.
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Just keep it. We can't lose that. I think they toned it down a little bit,
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but it's still a pretty impressive.
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The mustache is still pretty huge.
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Yeah the beard's a little shorter but the mustache is still there I do think
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that this movie might turn off people if they're not fans of the horror genre,
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:06.299
hey it might turn off people if they're not fans of westerns you know if you're
00:29:06.299 --> 00:29:10.139
really divided like I don't like westerns but I love 80s slashers,
00:29:10.879 --> 00:29:16.499
you might be like oh it took too fucking long to get into the gory stuff and
00:29:16.499 --> 00:29:20.539
then the other way where you're like, I was really enjoying that Western until
00:29:20.539 --> 00:29:22.579
they started getting really... Until that guy got cut in half.
00:29:23.439 --> 00:29:27.759
Guy, the guy getting cut in half was like, that's where their money went.
00:29:28.199 --> 00:29:32.539
The money didn't go into paying these actors. It went into like, probably that.
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I, I'm a, I would assume that's probably like a $15,000 prop that they only could do once.
00:29:41.579 --> 00:29:46.559
They're like, we can only, we can only rip this guy in half one time, so it's gotta count.
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:53.419
Also another continuity continuity error there Chuck they rip Deputy Nick open
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and then later when they go back there's no like blood anywhere on the ground
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there's no nothing on the ground at all.
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I also do like too where they're like they like,
00:30:08.135 --> 00:30:13.715
a couple of the troglodytes seem powerful and strong and the way that they jail
00:30:13.715 --> 00:30:18.155
them, they like put up those beams and like pounded into the,
00:30:18.955 --> 00:30:23.135
the, yeah, like the spikes into them. But Patrick Wilson's able to pull them out like no problem.
00:30:23.795 --> 00:30:27.215
Yeah. Like I actually, they don't even pound them in, in that well,
00:30:27.495 --> 00:30:32.675
but like Kurt Russell can't fucking with all his might knock the thing over.
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Also, I do kind of like not, not everybody being like a great shot.
00:30:38.955 --> 00:30:42.295
Obviously the bestest is apparently Matthew Fox.
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I mean, he gets cut off guard and more or less taken out.
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But, like, I like Patrick Wilson whenever he takes his nap off the road and
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then the troglodytes find him,
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and he somehow, like, he hears them before they get to him, and he's not like
00:31:01.715 --> 00:31:04.415
some Clint Eastwood who just, like, wipes them all out.
00:31:05.215 --> 00:31:09.755
There's that funny part where like I think the guy probably goes to grab a bone
00:31:09.755 --> 00:31:15.835
tomahawk I'm assuming I can't remember and he's gotta like reload his gun because
00:31:15.835 --> 00:31:19.835
he missed like almost all of his shots that he took,
00:31:20.795 --> 00:31:26.135
also it's really funny to me too I think like he takes the like the longer way
00:31:26.135 --> 00:31:32.675
he's literally like I'm gonna go around the back so he goes like in the back entrance where,
00:31:33.595 --> 00:31:37.155
if there is a back entrance, did it make more sense to.
00:31:38.140 --> 00:31:43.580
To pull Kurt Russell's character and Richard Jenkins character up into that
00:31:43.580 --> 00:31:46.560
cliff, like through the cliff side with rope. I don't know.
00:31:47.180 --> 00:31:52.440
Yeah, it was quicker, quicker than taking them around by the burial ground and
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:54.360
taking them to the back door.
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But yeah, at that point when he kills that guy and he takes his whistle thing
00:32:00.020 --> 00:32:05.560
out of his neck and he's also like, he's like shooting people and whistling.
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And it's like I get that they're probably like savages but they're probably
00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:17.500
not the dumbest of people that like they can't hear the guns are getting closer
00:32:17.500 --> 00:32:24.200
and closer and the other people are just constantly like whistling so they're like oh yeah it's okay.
00:32:26.420 --> 00:32:34.140
I do like the ending the ending works Kurt Russell has to sacrifice himself
00:32:34.140 --> 00:32:40.440
has to take out the last three and I do like the implication I guess that,
00:32:42.120 --> 00:32:48.120
Richard Jenkins should kill Patrick Wilson and his wife if he doesn't manage
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to kill the savages just to prevent them from being kidnapped again because
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:55.580
he's like when he goes to leave he carries that big rock with him the whole
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time and then after they hear the three gunshots because they say there's,
00:33:01.260 --> 00:33:04.660
they figure there's only three guys left so
00:33:04.660 --> 00:33:07.740
here are the three gunshots and they're like oh must be done now and that's
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how he finally drops the rock so it's like like they never flat out say it but
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i was like i guess the implication is that he was gonna have to kill them if
00:33:14.660 --> 00:33:18.380
they if he never heard those gunshots and be like well i'm just gonna have to
00:33:18.380 --> 00:33:22.400
kill you guys to prevent the i'd rather do that than you get kidnapped,
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i thought he grabbed the rock because he he that was his weapon that was like
00:33:28.540 --> 00:33:34.060
the only thing he had to fight these guys off if they came after them. Could be that too.
00:33:35.511 --> 00:33:39.991
And that he knows he's safe afterwards. I don't know. You could take it either way, I guess.
00:33:40.251 --> 00:33:44.291
It's a good final shot, though, because The Rock is, oh, we're safe.
00:33:44.431 --> 00:33:46.571
I think we're safe. We didn't drop The Rock.
00:33:47.251 --> 00:33:50.911
I don't really feel like the savages would follow them. They had so many of
00:33:50.911 --> 00:33:51.971
their own people killed.
00:33:52.691 --> 00:33:56.871
They, I don't know, maybe there is Bone Tomahawk Part 2.
00:33:57.631 --> 00:34:00.971
We don't know. Maybe those babies are born, and they're like,
00:34:01.071 --> 00:34:02.971
hey. Bone Tomahawk 2 Bone Harder.
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Bone Harder. they're like we we know
00:34:06.531 --> 00:34:09.931
where they killed our whole entire tribe but they didn't
00:34:09.931 --> 00:34:13.671
kill the blind i like i do like they're blind pregnant
00:34:13.671 --> 00:34:16.571
with crippled women and like them
00:34:16.571 --> 00:34:19.631
being blind as they have like bones or sticks like
00:34:19.631 --> 00:34:23.951
stabbed into their fucking eyeballs they
00:34:23.951 --> 00:34:29.871
were blind how do you know oh i know i could tell i could tell they were blind
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yeah it's fun and i think i i enjoy all these movies like i i for the most part
00:34:37.471 --> 00:34:42.931
we don't get any modern day westerns or we do and,
00:34:43.671 --> 00:34:50.251
they're too ambitious and they get they get canceled i'm talking specifically
00:34:50.251 --> 00:34:53.491
about kevin Costner's Westerns.
00:34:54.071 --> 00:34:54.651
Yeah.
00:34:55.611 --> 00:35:00.471
He's not polling Francis Ford Coppola. He's like, I'm not spending my own money.
00:35:01.291 --> 00:35:08.071
If I can't finish my story, I won't finish my story. He's just given up.
00:35:09.031 --> 00:35:15.371
Yeah. I mean, there's been some like, I didn't think the Magnificent Seven was very good.
00:35:15.631 --> 00:35:18.451
I wasn't huge on 310 to Yuma.
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But there are still some good ones. Even though they might be slightly weird,
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I liked Slow West with Michael Fassbender, which has, like, a weird,
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almost, like, Wes Anderson-type shootout at the end.
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But I'm surprised there isn't more
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Westerns, because, like, it's got to be pretty cheap to film a Western.
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Like this movie looked great when they had, when they could only afford horses
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for like the first 20 minutes of the movie or whatever, you know,
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then they were like, we're, we're not paying for the, we're not paying for those
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anymore. That is a hundred.
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Like that is a hundred percent. I feel like we can't have horses the whole movie.
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They're going to just get stolen.
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Did they say where they're at? I don't think so.
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Cause it has like, I don't think it ever says like what, state they're supposed
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to have been in it has like a heavily mountained like utah type setting,
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but then like the the mexicans and stuff make me think like it might be closer to the border,
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i mean you know what if you're gonna make your western make it vague it doesn't have to be,
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real places yeah i mean i think for what they did i think they did a really
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good job like you don't really get to see there's no real western towns you
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basically get the bar the,
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the sheriffs the jail and then a little bit of Patrick Wilson's like house and
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a barn and then everything else is virtually like outside the entire time.
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Like, there's even a funny scene where they keep talking about this,
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I want to call it a telescope that Matthew Fox's character has.
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What is it? They keep calling it the German.
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Yeah, because this is, like, really fancy.
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And because it's from Germany. Yeah, made in Germany. Are you going to Hamburg to get it?
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There's a really funny part, though, where he's looking at it,
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and he's like, like, I can't remember
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what he's looking at. I think he's still on a horse at that point.
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And it's, like, not pulled all the way out, so it's bent.
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And, like, I'm, see, I'm, like, I would almost chalk that up as a mistake because
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I'm, like, he's, like, oh, I see. I'm, like, do you see?
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Can you see that far away?
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I don't think you can see. I don't think you have that thing all the way open.
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But, yeah, I mean, it is, it's kind of weird, too, because, like,
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you get the implication that possibly Patrick Wilson's going to lose his leg for doing this.
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Dude is super tough, I guess. Like, he goes through, like, the most physical
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pain, probably, of, beyond the people that have died.
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It's like a missed opportunity that, like, during the rescue,
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one of the, his leg should have got chopped off with a bone tomahawk,
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and just been like, whatever, just get rid of it already. It's only getting in my way.
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Yeah, honestly, that could have been, I mean, it maybe wouldn't be as happy of an ending.
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Because, like, the ending of the movie implies that, the troglodytes are done.
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At that point, judging by old-timey medicine, he'd probably have been better
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off having that thing cut off because he broke it like four times throughout the movie.
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There's just shattered pieces of bone in there at that point.
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It's like, you might as well just pop it off and get rid of it.
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Yeah, even Kurt Russell's to Richard Jenkins, is he going to survive?
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And Richard Jenkins is like, man, I do amputations. It's 50-50.
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It doesn't look good, but you never know. You never know with these things.
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Yeah, like, I feel like he's going to get all the way back and say the infection
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is gangrene now, and it's so bad that, like, it's in your abdomen, so you're a dead man now.
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But, yeah, and it kept making me want to watch a much better movie,
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There Will Be Blood, because, like, when he has his broken leg,
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It makes me think of the beginning of that, where it's like Daniel Plainview had to crawl.
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Daniel Plainview wasn't complaining this much.
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Yeah, he had to crawl how long through the desert to get back to town with his gold.
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And Patrick Wilson's like...
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I don't know. I feel like some of it was a little bit too much.
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Like I felt like even like a quarter of the movie was just Patrick Wilson hurting
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himself again because he like tripped.
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And it is funny too. When he wakes up, I think, I think that's the point where
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he wakes up and he's going to go like follow them to find out where they're at.
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And there's one shot of him like on the fucking like steepest hill.
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And he's walking like not up the hill, not down the hill.
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He's walking like adjacent to
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the like he's walking like straight i'm like dude is
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like just asking to fall down the goddamn hill but yeah i guess they they really
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did put all their all into it because they are falling on that ground and i
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guarantee for the most part they there are just literally just rolling and falling
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all over the ground and probably getting like fucked up by rocks and shit.
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Like whenever they were in the cave too I was like I hope this is a set.
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Like it does look like a set but I'm also like I don't know maybe they did a
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cave somewhere and they like just lit it.
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I feel like it's gotta be a set though. Interesting.
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But yeah, beyond that, I did enjoy it. I don't think there's any music in it, which is kind of cool.
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Yeah, not really. They couldn't afford a score. They couldn't afford a score at all.
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I don't know. Sometimes that works, though.
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Is it like no country that doesn't have a score? There's a couple times where
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there's just no score. It works so well.
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But then again, I mean, I know I just said that, but I think it's something
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like Fargo, and I was like, you know, that score is so fucking great for that movie.
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Yeah, and I never bought Bone Tomahawk. I watched it sometime after it came
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out, like around the time it came out.
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And I don't remember where. I don't know if I, maybe I borrowed it from you. Do you own it?
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I do, but I don't think I ever loaned it to you. I don't remember how the hell
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I saw this movie. Because I think it would have been after Hollywood Video.
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Yeah, I don't. I don't remember. This time I watched it on Disney.
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You know, through my Hulu subscription. But I do like, I do like it's on Disney+.
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Starts the opening scene as they're like slashing a guy's throat.
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And this is what Walt Disney would have wanted. Yeah, he's still alive.
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He was a big Kurt Russell fan.
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Yeah. The last thing he wrote before he died, he wrote Kurt Russell. Wrote it or said it?
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He wrote it. It was like on his, it was like in his, on his planner.
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And no one knows why he wrote Kurt Russell. Like they were like,
00:42:26.569 --> 00:42:28.129
did he want to have a meeting with Kurt Russell?
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Like what? Did he want to put him in a movie or something like that?
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I hope he just thought it was like the last thing. I hope he just thought it was hilarious.
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Or, or I mean, was he naming his killer? I know he died of cancer or something.
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It's like, actually it was Kurt Russell that threw me out.
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Yeah. So something is like some wild ass name.
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You die. It's just like Jim Carrey. And what the fuck you wrote Jim Carrey for? He's losing it.
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Losing his goddamn mind.
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But yeah, like, I don't know. There's a lot of good moments in it.
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Like, yeah, the opening scene with Sadeg.
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And he's like, you didn't cut all 16 of the nerves that are in the neck.
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And that's why the guy didn't die.
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And David Arquette's like, I don't think that's true.
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And he's like I definitely know because my friend's like brother is a doctor
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or something but yeah I'll have to watch the other ones because it looks like,
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when I say other ones the other movies by this director,
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the biggest name I saw I think of the crew was Fred Raskin,
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and he was the he's like Tarantino's new editor and he edited The Hateful Eight,
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so I wonder if that's a connection between these two movies for getting like Kurt Russell on it,
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or maybe Kurt Russell pulled him into it and was like hey can you get Tarantino's
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editor yeah sure I'll bring Fred,
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everybody thanks for listening and we'll see you back in two weeks with Chuck's next pick.