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Hello, Dr. Brant Hulsebus here, and welcome to another edition of Ask the Chiropractor.
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Ask the Chiropractor is my little podcast that I do when someone has a question about chiropractic or chiropractic care, I try to answer.
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I'm a chiropractor here in Rockford, Illinois.
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I'm a proud graduate of Palmer College of Chiropractic, and I'm happy to be the team chiropractor of the Rockford IceHogs.
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Let's dive into it.
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Hi, thanks for tuning in.
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We're continuing to debunk rumors and falsehoods about what I do as a chiropractor.
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A lot of people have things they say about us that just aren't true, and I want to educate you as a chiropractor who, you know, ironically might be an expert in chiropractic, you know, more than, say, a, a dentist or an optometrist, a little bit more about what we do in our, in our education.
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The first episode we talked about once you go, you have to go forever, and I addressed that.
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It's just about making healthy choices.
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One, asking somebody who's not a chiropractor advice on chiropractic care.
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And it's … I don't understand why people who aren't chiropractors are considered to be experts on what we do over actually us, who actually are experts on what we do.
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And the last one, I want to talk a little bit about our education.
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A lot of people say that we don't have real degrees, we're not real doctors.
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And again, I broke that all down really clear.
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Well, today I want to talk about the biggest myth, where it came from, why they say it, and the lack of evidence to prove it.
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Okay?
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Let's talk about this.
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I just saw a dumb-dumb, um, excuse me, I just saw an orthopedic doctor online doing a video saying, "I would never let a chiropractor do a high velocity thrust into my cervical spine because I've seen so many people that have been paralyzed by chiropractors," or,"I've seen so many people who have had strokes after seeing a chiropractor, that chiropractic adjustments, if you get your neck adjusted, it causes a stroke." Um, do you think the federal government would give us licenses if what we did paralyzed people and caused strokes?
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Do you think the state boards would allow us to practice if what we did did that?
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Do you think the insurance companies, the malpractice insurance would cover us if, if every time I gave someone a neck adjustment, like five or six times a day, I'm paralyzing people, or five or six times a day I'm causing massive strokes?
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Do you think I would be allowed to continue to do what I do if that was a real thing?
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I mean, it sounds really dramatic, and, like, it gets emotions going.
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But just use your logical brain for a minute and ask yourself, would there be so many chiropractors around the country if every- if they were causing this many problems as the way they make it sound?
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It's, it's kinda crazy to think about that, that, that there would be a profession out there that could be that dangerous and still allowed to be- exist.
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I mean, like, the government wouldn't have shut us down.
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Like, the Department of Health and, uh, wouldn't come after us.
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Like, your state would continue to give us licenses as long as we continue to paralyze people.
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So just stop and think about that for a minute.
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That's, that's the first direction I always go with this when somebody comes at me, "I heard you guys cause strokes." I'm like, "Yes, we kill people regularly.
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That's why we stay so busy." Not only that, did you know chiropractors… I know at one time we had the lowest malpractice rates.
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I don't know if it's still true, but I know we still have one of the lowest.
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We had the lowest, the lowest, but I don't know if we're still the lowest.
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But we figured out the other day that my new doctor that was here working, she paid less for a full year of malpractice coverage, for a full year, covered her 365 days, she paid less than my orthopedic friend paid for one day of coverage.
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So what he pays in one day to cover him would cover her for the whole year and have leftover.
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That's nuts.
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And so for people to say we're dangerous, wouldn't our malpractice just be astronomical?
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I mean, could you imagine how much I would have to pay if I was paralyzing people every day?
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The, the malpractice would be outrageous.
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I would have to quit.
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But our malpractice rates as providers are some of the lowest of any healthcare provider out there.
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So let's talk about, a little bit about where this stuff came from and why people say it.
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Well, the first thing is- There was a article that came out, oh, about 2010 from the American Heart and American Stroke Association.
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It came out to put down my profession.
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It came out and it said that chiropract- we found a connection between chiropractors and having strokes.
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See, let me break it down for you.
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When you have severe neck, when you have, when you're having a stroke in your neck, let's say the vertebral artery in your neck is hemorrhaged, the number one symptom of that is incredible neck pain, God-awful neck pain.
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And when people have really, really bad neck pain, where's the place they go?
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The chiropractor.
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I mean, that's one thing we're known for, neck pain, back pain, headaches, right?
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The most common reason why people come see us.
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So if I'm having horrific neck pain, I might go to a chiropractor And so they said that there was a correlation, like 28% of the people who had this stroke had been to a chiropractor.
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Therefore, there must be a link between the chiropractor and that.
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Well, there's a guy named Cassidy, and Cassidy said, "Wait a minute, this sounds kinda crazy." So he looked into it.
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He dove into it, and he's- he went to look at this article that they published.
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Well, did you know that over 60% of them went to the primary doctor that day also?
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So 20-something went to a chiropractor, but 60% went to the primary, had the stroke later.
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So if the chiropractors are the cause because they had visited them, but they also, 60% visited the primary, wouldn't that make the primary doctor significantly more dangerous than us?
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And, like, 100% of them wore socks.
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A lot of them had did other things.
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So to say that they had gone to the chiropractor, the chiropractor caused it, it's kinda crazy.
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Just like I said, they all had socks on.
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Did the socks cause a stroke?
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No.
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So what happens is, if you wanna go back in time, the American Medical Association created a division on quackery.
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Their sole intent was to contain and eliminate chiropractic care.
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If you don't believe me, you can look it up.
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I mean, there's been articles and papers published on this, and there was a chiropractor here in my home state of Illinois named Chester Wilk.
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And Chester Wilk said, "Wait a minute, what are they doing?" He found out about this, so he sued them, and he went after them for an antitrust for trying to contain and eliminate chiropractic.
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And Chester Wilk won this case in the early '90s.
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But remember, chiropractic started 1895, and Chester Wilk won in the early 1990s.
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So it was almost 100 years of lies and misconceptions said about chiropractic by the American Medical Association.
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Now, the Journal of the American Medical Association, called JAMA, had to publish an article admitting what they had done, that the federal judge said, "You guys need to publish and, and put on the record that you guys were lying about chiropractic care." But over 100 years of lying about what we do and who we are has created lies and things that people honestly think are true.
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Because 100 years of a lie, it's hard to say it's not a lie anymore So you can Google search Chester Wilk versus the AMA if you think I'm talking crazy, and look it all up and read it yourself.
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There's books out there called Contain and Eliminate that break all this process down.
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It's absolutely insane how they're trying to ruin us.
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So now we have a revisiting of that back in 2010.
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And so Cassidy dove in deeper because he knows about Chester Wilk.
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He wanted to see more of what's going on.
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And Ch- Cassidy figured out there was no causation.
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It's just people went to the chiropractor because they were having neck pain, which is actually a stroke.
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Now, what Cassidy actually found out in deeper diving, you see, when you go to the chiropractor and you're having this neck pain, and the chiropractor says, "Wait a minute, something's not right here," because we're taught when to adjust and not to adjust.
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And the chiropractor calls 911 and says, "Hey, I got a patient here.
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I believe he's having a stroke.
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I need you to come get him." The ambulance comes, they get him to go back, and then on the report, it's always written the chiropractor caused the stroke And because I've had it happen to me, I've had it happen where a patient came in, I didn't want to take care of them.
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I called 911.
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The patient left.
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All I did was interview the patient, and they tried to snow, say I did something to the patient to cause this.
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And I'm like, "All I did was interview them. What's different than you interviewing them?" And I had to defend myself in front of a panel.
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So this biasism against our profession is rapid.
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So if you go to the medical doctor and they discover this, and they turn your head, and you start having a stroke because they're doing a range of motion tests, they discovered it.
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If a chiropractor looks at you, the chiropractor often gets blamed for it because of all the years of biasism and prejudism against my profession.
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That's what Cassidy found out.
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Cassidy actually found out you're safer going to the chiropractor than you are the primary doctor because we are so scared of being blamed for something we didn't do that we're twice as likely to refer you to where you need to go out of fear of persecution for wrongful judgment against us.
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So you're actually safer with the chiropractor.
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Matter of fact, Cassidy's research showed that it's roughly one in 5 million, 5 million visits could actually cause an injury to the chiropractor.
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So it takes 5 million visits before somebody actually gets hurt at a chiropractor.
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Go hang out somewhere else and see if they have the same rates.
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Look at the number of medical malpractice rates.
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See if it's one in every 5 million.
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See if it's the same thing.
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I guarantee you, you're going to find out it's not.
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So this is how this all started.
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This is where it came from.
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This is the truth behind it.
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Chiropractic is safe.
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Chiropractic is very, very safe.
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Matter of fact, it's actually kind of scary to look at the medical procedure what people do with neck pain.
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The whole protocol is crazy if you read the science and the literature.
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I mean, the number one thing they do when you have neck pain and headaches and stuff like that is they give you non-steroidal inflammatory drugs, NSAIDs.
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And we know since the 1990s that NSAIDs, chronic use of NSAIDs actually creates headaches and lower back pain.
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So the medication they're giving you to treat it, we actually know causes it.
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And then if you're so bad, maybe they'll give you a cortisone shot, and we know that those shots were never designed to use at the spine.
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The FDA has never approved them for spinal use, and the manufacturer said,"Don't use them around the spine." So they try that, and then maybe we go see a physical therapist that hasn't kept up with the research about stabilization muscles, and they're doing physical therapy the old-fashioned way, which we know doesn't work.
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Then they look at you and say, "Well, we tried everything. Maybe you should have surgery." But they're calling us dangerous or calling us unscientific.
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I would implore you that if you really have these concerns to sit down and talk to a chiropractor or call my malpractice company.
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Go ahead, ChiroSecure.
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Give them a call.
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Ask them how dangerous we are.
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Ask them how much a chiropractor pays.
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Call the insurance companies themselves.
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Ask them.
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They'll be happy to educate you on how safe we are Again, it's just common sense that we're not doing that.
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It's just fear-mongering.
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Uh, it's, and it's just ridiculous.
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This, it's so sad it's still happening today.
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So, so sad.
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And matter of fact, a lot of the cases that when this happened that they blamed chiropractic, if you look at the literature, none of these so-called chiropractic adjustments were actually performed by a chiropractor.
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They were done by DOs, physical therapists, and medical doctors trying to mimic what we do without our training, and then they blamed us.
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Kinda like if I had my neighbor's kid do open heart surgery on me, and I don't survive, I don't blame open heart surgeons.
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I blame the kid for not having the education.
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So when people try to mimic what we do and hurt people, they still blame us.
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So there's a lot of biasism in the medical world against us.
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It's sad, it's out of date, and it's pathetic.
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That's why you have to go right to a chiropractor.
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I hope this answered that question, put some, put some of this to rest.
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I, I tried to quote my s- my sources here, and a matter of fact, another research paper just got published this week about how chiropractic adjustments do not cause strokes or cause paralysis.
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Check it out.
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Read their science.
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Don't read pamphlets.
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Read the actual literature.
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Thanks for tuning in.
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Hello, Dr. Brant Hulsebus here, and welcome to another edition of Ask the Chiropractor.
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Ask the Chiropractor is my little podcast that I do when someone has a question about chiropractic or chiropractic care, I try to answer.
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I'm a chiropractor here in Rockford, Illinois.
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I'm a proud graduate of Palmer College of Chiropractic, and I'm happy to be the team chiropractor of the Rockford IceHogs.
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Let's dive into it.
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Hi, thanks for tuning in.
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We're continuing to debunk rumors and falsehoods about what I do as a chiropractor.
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A lot of people have things they say about us that just aren't true, and I want to educate you as a chiropractor who, you know, ironically might be an expert in chiropractic, you know, more than, say, a, a dentist or an optometrist, a little bit more about what we do in our, in our education.
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The first episode we talked about once you go, you have to go forever, and I addressed that.
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It's just about making healthy choices.
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One, asking somebody who's not a chiropractor advice on chiropractic care.
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And it's … I don't understand why people who aren't chiropractors are considered to be experts on what we do over actually us, who actually are experts on what we do.
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And the last one, I want to talk a little bit about our education.
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A lot of people say that we don't have real degrees, we're not real doctors.
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And again, I broke that all down really clear.
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Well, today I want to talk about the biggest myth, where it came from, why they say it, and the lack of evidence to prove it.
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Okay?
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Let's talk about this.
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I just saw a dumb-dumb, um, excuse me, I just saw an orthopedic doctor online doing a video saying, "I would never let a chiropractor do a high velocity thrust into my cervical spine because I've seen so many people that have been paralyzed by chiropractors," or,"I've seen so many people who have had strokes after seeing a chiropractor, that chiropractic adjustments, if you get your neck adjusted, it causes a stroke." Um, do you think the federal government would give us licenses if what we did paralyzed people and caused strokes?
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Do you think the state boards would allow us to practice if what we did did that?
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Do you think the insurance companies, the malpractice insurance would cover us if, if every time I gave someone a neck adjustment, like five or six times a day, I'm paralyzing people, or five or six times a day I'm causing massive strokes?
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Do you think I would be allowed to continue to do what I do if that was a real thing?
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I mean, it sounds really dramatic, and, like, it gets emotions going.
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But just use your logical brain for a minute and ask yourself, would there be so many chiropractors around the country if every- if they were causing this many problems as the way they make it sound?
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It's, it's kinda crazy to think about that, that, that there would be a profession out there that could be that dangerous and still allowed to be- exist.
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I mean, like, the government wouldn't have shut us down.
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Like, the Department of Health and, uh, wouldn't come after us.
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Like, your state would continue to give us licenses as long as we continue to paralyze people.
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So just stop and think about that for a minute.
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That's, that's the first direction I always go with this when somebody comes at me, "I heard you guys cause strokes." I'm like, "Yes, we kill people regularly.
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That's why we stay so busy." Not only that, did you know chiropractors… I know at one time we had the lowest malpractice rates.
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I don't know if it's still true, but I know we still have one of the lowest.
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We had the lowest, the lowest, but I don't know if we're still the lowest.
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But we figured out the other day that my new doctor that was here working, she paid less for a full year of malpractice coverage, for a full year, covered her 365 days, she paid less than my orthopedic friend paid for one day of coverage.
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So what he pays in one day to cover him would cover her for the whole year and have leftover.
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That's nuts.
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And so for people to say we're dangerous, wouldn't our malpractice just be astronomical?
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I mean, could you imagine how much I would have to pay if I was paralyzing people every day?
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The, the malpractice would be outrageous.
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I would have to quit.
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But our malpractice rates as providers are some of the lowest of any healthcare provider out there.
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So let's talk about, a little bit about where this stuff came from and why people say it.
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Well, the first thing is- There was a article that came out, oh, about 2010 from the American Heart and American Stroke Association.
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It came out to put down my profession.
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It came out and it said that chiropract- we found a connection between chiropractors and having strokes.
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See, let me break it down for you.
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When you have severe neck, when you have, when you're having a stroke in your neck, let's say the vertebral artery in your neck is hemorrhaged, the number one symptom of that is incredible neck pain, God-awful neck pain.
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And when people have really, really bad neck pain, where's the place they go?
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The chiropractor.
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I mean, that's one thing we're known for, neck pain, back pain, headaches, right?
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The most common reason why people come see us.
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So if I'm having horrific neck pain, I might go to a chiropractor And so they said that there was a correlation, like 28% of the people who had this stroke had been to a chiropractor.
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Therefore, there must be a link between the chiropractor and that.
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Well, there's a guy named Cassidy, and Cassidy said, "Wait a minute, this sounds kinda crazy." So he looked into it.
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He dove into it, and he's- he went to look at this article that they published.
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Well, did you know that over 60% of them went to the primary doctor that day also?
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So 20-something went to a chiropractor, but 60% went to the primary, had the stroke later.
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So if the chiropractors are the cause because they had visited them, but they also, 60% visited the primary, wouldn't that make the primary doctor significantly more dangerous than us?
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And, like, 100% of them wore socks.
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A lot of them had did other things.
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So to say that they had gone to the chiropractor, the chiropractor caused it, it's kinda crazy.
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Just like I said, they all had socks on.
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Did the socks cause a stroke?
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No.
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So what happens is, if you wanna go back in time, the American Medical Association created a division on quackery.
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Their sole intent was to contain and eliminate chiropractic care.
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If you don't believe me, you can look it up.
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I mean, there's been articles and papers published on this, and there was a chiropractor here in my home state of Illinois named Chester Wilk.
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And Chester Wilk said, "Wait a minute, what are they doing?" He found out about this, so he sued them, and he went after them for an antitrust for trying to contain and eliminate chiropractic.
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And Chester Wilk won this case in the early '90s.
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But remember, chiropractic started 1895, and Chester Wilk won in the early 1990s.
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So it was almost 100 years of lies and misconceptions said about chiropractic by the American Medical Association.
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Now, the Journal of the American Medical Association, called JAMA, had to publish an article admitting what they had done, that the federal judge said, "You guys need to publish and, and put on the record that you guys were lying about chiropractic care." But over 100 years of lying about what we do and who we are has created lies and things that people honestly think are true.
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Because 100 years of a lie, it's hard to say it's not a lie anymore So you can Google search Chester Wilk versus the AMA if you think I'm talking crazy, and look it all up and read it yourself.
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There's books out there called Contain and Eliminate that break all this process down.
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It's absolutely insane how they're trying to ruin us.
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So now we have a revisiting of that back in 2010.
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And so Cassidy dove in deeper because he knows about Chester Wilk.
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He wanted to see more of what's going on.
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And Ch- Cassidy figured out there was no causation.
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It's just people went to the chiropractor because they were having neck pain, which is actually a stroke.
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Now, what Cassidy actually found out in deeper diving, you see, when you go to the chiropractor and you're having this neck pain, and the chiropractor says, "Wait a minute, something's not right here," because we're taught when to adjust and not to adjust.
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And the chiropractor calls 911 and says, "Hey, I got a patient here.
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I believe he's having a stroke.
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I need you to come get him." The ambulance comes, they get him to go back, and then on the report, it's always written the chiropractor caused the stroke And because I've had it happen to me, I've had it happen where a patient came in, I didn't want to take care of them.
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I called 911.
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The patient left.
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All I did was interview the patient, and they tried to snow, say I did something to the patient to cause this.
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And I'm like, "All I did was interview them. What's different than you interviewing them?" And I had to defend myself in front of a panel.
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So this biasism against our profession is rapid.
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So if you go to the medical doctor and they discover this, and they turn your head, and you start having a stroke because they're doing a range of motion tests, they discovered it.
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If a chiropractor looks at you, the chiropractor often gets blamed for it because of all the years of biasism and prejudism against my profession.
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That's what Cassidy found out.
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Cassidy actually found out you're safer going to the chiropractor than you are the primary doctor because we are so scared of being blamed for something we didn't do that we're twice as likely to refer you to where you need to go out of fear of persecution for wrongful judgment against us.
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So you're actually safer with the chiropractor.
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Matter of fact, Cassidy's research showed that it's roughly one in 5 million, 5 million visits could actually cause an injury to the chiropractor.
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So it takes 5 million visits before somebody actually gets hurt at a chiropractor.
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Go hang out somewhere else and see if they have the same rates.
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Look at the number of medical malpractice rates.
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See if it's one in every 5 million.
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See if it's the same thing.
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I guarantee you, you're going to find out it's not.
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So this is how this all started.
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This is where it came from.
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This is the truth behind it.
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Chiropractic is safe.
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Chiropractic is very, very safe.
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Matter of fact, it's actually kind of scary to look at the medical procedure what people do with neck pain.
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The whole protocol is crazy if you read the science and the literature.
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I mean, the number one thing they do when you have neck pain and headaches and stuff like that is they give you non-steroidal inflammatory drugs, NSAIDs.
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And we know since the 1990s that NSAIDs, chronic use of NSAIDs actually creates headaches and lower back pain.
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So the medication they're giving you to treat it, we actually know causes it.
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And then if you're so bad, maybe they'll give you a cortisone shot, and we know that those shots were never designed to use at the spine.
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The FDA has never approved them for spinal use, and the manufacturer said,"Don't use them around the spine." So they try that, and then maybe we go see a physical therapist that hasn't kept up with the research about stabilization muscles, and they're doing physical therapy the old-fashioned way, which we know doesn't work.
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Then they look at you and say, "Well, we tried everything. Maybe you should have surgery." But they're calling us dangerous or calling us unscientific.
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I would implore you that if you really have these concerns to sit down and talk to a chiropractor or call my malpractice company.
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Go ahead, ChiroSecure.
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Give them a call.
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Ask them how dangerous we are.
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Ask them how much a chiropractor pays.
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Call the insurance companies themselves.
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Ask them.
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They'll be happy to educate you on how safe we are Again, it's just common sense that we're not doing that.
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It's just fear-mongering.
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Uh, it's, and it's just ridiculous.
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This, it's so sad it's still happening today.
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So, so sad.
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And matter of fact, a lot of the cases that when this happened that they blamed chiropractic, if you look at the literature, none of these so-called chiropractic adjustments were actually performed by a chiropractor.
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They were done by DOs, physical therapists, and medical doctors trying to mimic what we do without our training, and then they blamed us.
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Kinda like if I had my neighbor's kid do open heart surgery on me, and I don't survive, I don't blame open heart surgeons.
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I blame the kid for not having the education.
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So when people try to mimic what we do and hurt people, they still blame us.
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So there's a lot of biasism in the medical world against us.
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It's sad, it's out of date, and it's pathetic.
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That's why you have to go right to a chiropractor.
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I hope this answered that question, put some, put some of this to rest.
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I, I tried to quote my s- my sources here, and a matter of fact, another research paper just got published this week about how chiropractic adjustments do not cause strokes or cause paralysis.
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Check it out.
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Read their science.
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Don't read pamphlets.
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Read the actual literature.
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Thanks for tuning in.
