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Actually knows how to do this. I think that's actually
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the really good point about everything.
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But I'm not sure anybody else knows how to do it.
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Good point.
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It is 9.30 on a Thursday night and you are
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tuned in to Beltway Radio and Beyond, which can mean
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one and only thing.
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This is TipTet.
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Welcome to TipTet.
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Petered out right there.
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Everybody, I'm Tip. Who are you, Tez?
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You just told him. Man, welcome back. Thank you. Yes. Sorry. Yeah.
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We forgot what you looked and or sounded like.
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I know.
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You consume this show.
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This has been a while. I've been trying to survive.
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You were on assignment. I was on a few assignments. Yeah.
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Well, that's one of the things. Don't worry. Pat held
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it down for you.
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Thank you so much. I appreciate you, Pat. Yeah.
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Pat's the best backup co-host since Case Keenum. Ha ha ha.
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That's good. That's pretty good.
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All right. So welcome to a special edition of Chip Chat.
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This week is very special because we have a real
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sports reporter with us.
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Yep.
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Scott Allen from Forold, D.C. will be joining us. You know,
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we pretend to be sports people. He's a real sports person.
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He is.
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Yeah. So we're going to talk to him and it's
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going to be awesome. Then we've got Iran updates, but
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this time by way of Britain.
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Yeah, I saw it. Stuff's happening over there.
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Why stop connecting dots when you can just have problems
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all over the world? If only, if only somebody could
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have mentioned, you know, hey, there could be repercussions to
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doing stuff. Might have slowed them down a little.
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You know, anyways, we'll get to it. We'll get to
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it when we get there.
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Trump is running ads with your money.
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Oh, my God. Again, we'll wait till we get there.
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But that was so jarring as.
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I was sitting down watching my commies and Reds on
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the March played Seattle Seahawks.
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And that came on. Love, love, love, love. And I'm
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sitting on my couch and I'm watching this.
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And obviously at the end when it says paid by
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the United States government, that just I'm like.
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Wait, hold up.
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What do you mean I paid for that?
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It was some like straight up 1984 shit.
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And you know, my big question was, yo, why haven't
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you got rid of the deep state?
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How long have you been trying? Right.
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Yeah. Why are we still here talking about this? Like
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we've given you many chances.
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And I say, we, we've, you've.
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Had multiple chances and you're still telling me that we're
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trying to get rid. Like the way that he's in reruns,
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I do find that it's no longer like it's not penetrating.
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It's almost as if he's admitting that all of this
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stuff is not true. Right. Because, like, if the deep
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state was still there.
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You are the deep state.
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Or if there ever was such a thing. Yeah.
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If there is one, it's him.
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He's the closest thing I've ever seen to it. I
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don't know. And then it came on two more times.
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And I said, oh, God.
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Wait.
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So I'm paying millions of dollars to Fox.
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A lot of money.
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A lot of money. We are paying millions of dollars
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to Fox to air this shit. And you know, anyways,
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I want.
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To, we're going to talk about it, but I have
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many thoughts.
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It's a wild thing.
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All right.
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And then let's see. Robots are now building bioweapons. Plus
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Eric Schmidt may have done the single funniest thing. Any
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sitting Senator has ever done without realizing it. And it,
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it has been giving the internet joy. For so many
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days now. I saw one of Klobuchar in a purple
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Klobuchar jersey literally dunking. Because, you know, it's just. We're
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going to have to ask Scott about that, too, because
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it's a sports story.
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It is a sports story.
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And that's just incredible. And then, of course, we'll have
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the headlines. So it's going to be a packed show.
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There's a lot going on. There is.
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You know, I noticed how the show seems to be short.
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So I'm going to go, I'm going to pick a
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time right now. I'm going to say we are done
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with this at 1140.
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Eastern time. That's what I'm putting.
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That's what, that's what I'm putting my, my bets on 1140.
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And then we're, when we come back from our first break,
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we're going to have a, an announcement about what's going
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to happen next week. So that's a teaser. We have
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some cool stuff that's coming up next week. Emphasis on cool.
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And it's going to be really interesting, I guess. That's
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also cool. You're going to like it. I mean, Tez
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is not going to like it. I'm going to like it.
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It's going to be something that I care about. But since,
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you know, I'm the only one that does anything around here.
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This is the God honest truth. But I show up.
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I show up from time to time.
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Yeah, from time to time.
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From time to time, I show up here. Today is
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one of those time to times. Yeah, today is that.
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All right, so do you have your word?
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Oh, God, yeah. I thought of one, and then it.
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Yes, I have a word.
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Okay, I've got a word. So, sit back, grab some.
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Journalism.
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It's Caitlin Clark time. You're listening to the best show,
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the only show, Chip Chat on Beltway Radio and beyond.
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Sweetest. Good job, Brian. All right.
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Welcome back to Chip Chat here on Beltway Radio and Beyond.
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I am your host, Chip. With me is Tez.
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What's popping up?
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All right.
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Now it's time for the headlines.
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This is the part of the show that everybody tunes
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in for. He said confidently. All right.
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The headlines.
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Yeah. All right. Go ahead, Tez. By tradition, you get
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to go first.
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Here we go. Here we go. Good evening. I am Tez.
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And you're not our top story tonight. Mitch McConnell is
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still dead.
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There you go.
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Another Senate news. Katie Britt made a face usually reserved
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for when Bama loses to Vanderbilt.
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Are there going to be bells in between these?
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It's weird. No bell.
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I wasn't sure that was that funny yet.
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But okay.
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The writers aren't that great sometimes.
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They try. Unlike me.
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In an effort to prove that Missouri is as stupid
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as we all thought, I believe that Senator Eric Schmidt
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confused the Atlanta Hawks with the Iowa Hawkeyes women's team.
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And fortunately, Amy Klobuchar was present to dunk on him.
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That is correct. Schmidt was not alone. However, Senator John
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Kennedy of Louisiana tossed the alley-oop that he missed.
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Okay, that's good.
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Literally holding up the poster board for him.
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Everybody loves a poster board.
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In Quantico, Pete Hexef gave a speech to hundreds of
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captive service members in which he railed against Michelob Ultra
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and demanded that his breakfast beer be at least 6% ABV.
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I was accused of being a white girl when I
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was drinking a Michelob Ultra once at a Nats game.
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If you've got a pumpkin spice latte or let me see.
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What's the thing? What's the vodka soda one that they like?
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Oh, which one? Not the White Claw.
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The other one.
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Hold on. Well, not Cut Water. Not those ones. No, no. God,
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I don't drink those, but I know exactly what you're saying.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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The Seltzer?
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Yeah, the Seltzer, but it's like the particularly.
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What the hell is that called?
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I don't remember.
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I don't know.
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Me.
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It's not a thing. So I don't care.
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Not a drink.
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All right.
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Before the speech, Hegseth worked out with hundreds of soldiers
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all clad in tight T-shirts. and then used his remarks
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to make fun of gay people.
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Hegs fine.
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Of course, you know.
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Hegseth went on to call members of the media traitors
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and losers, but then just kind of trailed off and
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never finished his speech, much like the war with Iran.
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That's true. The lack of finish was later attributed to
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Pete's need for some hormone replacement therapy.
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It's like the Tin Man and Wizard Bob.
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Part of this speech was like, we have warrior ethos
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and no weirdos and no beardos and testosterone. And it's like, guy,
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that's a little on the nose. Not that there's anything
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wrong with it, man. I mean, if that's who you are,
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that's cool. But like, you know.
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I'm not here to yuck your yum.
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Marco Rubio rolled out a new version of the U.S. passport,
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now specially designed for smaller hands.
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That's true. The United States military pulled out their last
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remaining troops in Iraq in what was dubbed Operation No-No Baby.
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It'll be okay. The old pull-out method.
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Oh, God. Oh, that is just.
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See, sometimes our writers are better than others. Yikes.
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I don't know what's nastier. No, no, baby.
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It'll be okay.
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Is that nasty or Deshaun Watson on my TV?
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I saw a kid wearing a Deshaun Watson jersey when
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they panned back and showed the crowd. I was like,
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I don't think I'd wear that ever. Yeah. Even if
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you won a Super Bowl.
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Like, no.
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Come to your senses.
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Oh. He bought the jersey at the Cornell gift shop.
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Oh, no.
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Anyways, Major League Baseball is trying to play its game
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in a national park. And before I get too excited,
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that's a national park and not Nationals Park.
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Right.
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In an effort to attract more young men to baseball,
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the game is proposed to be played in Grand Tetons
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National Park.
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Because I'm 12.
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Alright. They're going to shut this shit down soon. Locals
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are less than thrilled at the idea. Holding up signs like,
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hands off my Tetons. That's not what second base means,
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you pervert.
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Could you imagine the shirt?
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I got to second base in Grand Tetons National Park.
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Oh no.
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We're almost through this.
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Oh man.
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Oh, good.
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I get this one. Yay.
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All right. Here we go.
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Tennessee played Texas and had two chances to win, but
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somehow failed to execute.
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Oof.
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What the fuck, man?
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Yo, you know what?
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This is the problem. Yo, we need an editor, man.
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We need an editor. That's clear. Because that should not
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have just been put over the airwaves.
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Oh, no.
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Yo.
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It's bad. That is all of the things.
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It's so bad.
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Like, okay.
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Look, I had to find a way to get.
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It in somehow.
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I know.
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We're not talking about the story, so I guess yes. Yeah, right.
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That's too much.
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Yeah. All right.
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All right.
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All right. Awkward transition.
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I'm probably ashamed of that at the same time.
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The major sporting news. Yes.
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It is a sport to kill people in this country.
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City was found guilty on all charges. Stay tuned for
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the wrist slap heard around the world. Not guilty on
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all charges. There's only 114.
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Yeah, right. There was the one... No, I think they
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revised it and said it was all... Yeah, when they
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said it was only 114 out of the 115, I
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was like, well, what's the one that they were like, nah, nah,
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that one was fine. That was Holland's contract. Speaking of slaps,
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you ready?
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No.
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Balloon Tits Brian Noem has slapped Christy with divorce papers. Fortunately,
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There's no custody argument over the dogs.
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I mean, someone should be shot for that one.
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You hear those crickets in the background?
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No, this is crazy. That was the dog's name, was Cricket. Yo. Thanks, Brian.
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i have headphones on man don't we should not.
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Play that ever again it's hurting immediately tomorrow or whoever's
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listening to this live the three of us um yeah
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the the alert that you're you have your headphones up
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too loud is going to go off immediately for that
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god what type of.
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Anyways all right let's get the fuck out of the headlines.
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Man Former first couple of South Dakota did agree to
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split custody of their plastic surgeon.
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There you go.
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Jesus. And those are the headlines.
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That was a rough, rough, rough, rough. Rough.
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Rough.
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Yeah. All right. Well, good job. Way to get through it.
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Yikes.
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Oh, man.
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A lot of yikes. All right, here's what we're going
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to do. We're going to take a break. We come back,
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much less yikes. I don't know how Scott's going to
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feel about following that, but... I know. This is where
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people come to get those two things. I don't know what...
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I don't know which segments of our audience appreciate which
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parts of the show.
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Which segments of our audience appreciate which segments, I guess?
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Yeah. Which segments appreciate which segments?
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That's funny.
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I don't know. There's probably some sort of, like, doctoral
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thesis in analyzing 11 years of this bullshit. If somebody
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so wanted to, I'm sure you could find a way
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to do it.
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We're still here.
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Yeah. All right. We're going to take a break. We'll
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be right back. You're listening to Chip Chat on Beltway
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Radio and Beyond. Sweeps.
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Oh, God. What's the break got to be? You better
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check that curl.
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Cleavon told me so. Alarm clock ringing.
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Sunlight on my face.
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Can't step outside.
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With the curl out of place. Mirror say play. Better
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tighten that loop.
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A dry ass curl. Brother, that ain't the move. I
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need that drip. I need that shine to behave.
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Need my curl.
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It can slick as Rick James.
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From the roots to the tips.
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Let it flow like truth. Ain't nothing popping till I
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grab the juice.
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Oh, African berries.
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Juice is so pure. Curls so full.
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Yeah, it's blessed for sure.
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Prince Joaquin dreams in every strand. But without them chemicals.
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To keep your curl loose.
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Strip so clean, shine so smooth.
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One splash here and you know the truth.
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Get the juice. To keep your curl loose.
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From the crown to the roots.
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Ain't no curl curling without.
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The juice.
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To keep your curl, the juice.
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Unfiltered water, straight from Lake Victoria.
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Lake Victoria.
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Tanzania minerals, bring the curl euphoria.
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Hit it once, five to ten minutes strong.
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Then evaporation, say player, you've been warned.
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Summer heat, turn curls to an afro quick.
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So keep a bottle close. That's the trick.
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Reapply on the go.
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Keep the motion in proof.
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Stay glossy all day.
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With the juice.
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No harsh chemicals.
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No itchy scalp.
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No greasy couch stains.
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Don't mess up my headrest, man.
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Just shine.
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Lustre.
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And drip. And drip.
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Let it sway, let it shine, that curl pattern working
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overtime with the juice.
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Keep your curl loose.
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If your mirror smiled back, yeah, you already know the truth.
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Juice, juice.
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Did you go to an NBA game between the Golden
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State Warriors and the Atlanta Hawks on February 3rd, 2024?
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I'm sorry, could you say that again? Did you go
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to an.
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NBA game between the Golden State Warriors and the Atlanta
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Hawks on February 3rd, 2024?
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What city would that be in? Atlanta. No.
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Okay.
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So your testimony today is that you did not go
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to a Hawks game on February 3rd, 2024.
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Is that correct?
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I have no recollection.
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OK, is it your testimony that you were not in
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Atlanta on February 3rd, 2024? Let me let me just
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give you a little context. The day before Fannie Willis
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came clean with her affair with the prosecutor, you know,
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the Atlanta prosecutor that was also trying to get Trump.
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The next day, were you in Atlanta?
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I do not believe so. If this is the correct
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basketball game, I recall going to a university basketball game
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where Caitlin Clark was playing.
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Right around that time, she wasn't there with me.
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You could check if that was the exact date.
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It was Maryland playing Iowa, I think February of 2024.
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But again, you could check that out if that's what.
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We're talking about.
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All right, welcome back to Chip Chat here on Bellway
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Radio and Beyond. I'm Rose Chip with me is Tez.
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What a stupid timeline we're in.
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This is going to never get old. It's the dumbest possible, like,
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in their fervor to get this gotcha moment. They didn't
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bother to check anything.
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Anything.
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And they were so sure, too. They were like, yeah,
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you don't know we have this. Like, have what?
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You already perjured yourself.
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That was like, he was so confident and it was ridiculous.
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Like, wait a minute, what?
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It was all that. There was a lot of what's
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in there. And from the sign in the background, because
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as you know, our edit team had to edit that
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due to time constraints.
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Yeah.
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It had a weird sign and it only held up
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for like less than 10 seconds.
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And all it had was a couple of speech lines
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about like seating.
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Yeah.
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You know, are you in seat 103 or whatever? No,
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give them to so-and-so.
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And then.
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For absolutely no reasonable reason, also like a photo of
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Fonny Willis and the Georgia Dome? Yeah. It's like, really?
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And like, none of these things have anything to do
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with each other.
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All right.
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We're going to, we're going to get another expert opinion
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on this. So let's, let's talk to somebody. Scott Allen
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grew up in the DC area, which we know because
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he survived going to school with me. But unlike me,
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he went on to become a well-read sports writer for
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the Washington post and a bunch of other stuff. And
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he covered all the local teams, especially the football team
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of a dozen names. And he now writes the four
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old DC newsletter and, And he joins us here. Scott,
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welcome to Chip Chat.
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Hey, thanks for having me, guys. It's great to be here.
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Great job with the head aching headlines. And thank you
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for not involving me in that. As someone who maybe
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eventually wants to find another job or run for public office.
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I mean, it's a great job, though, especially the Grand
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Tetons section.
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Enjoyed that.
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See?
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Target audience right there.
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I did read today, right before I came on, though,
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that apparently Major League Baseball has stopped looking into that.
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They heard the people out there in Wyoming that they
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want no part of it, and they are dropping the
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pursuit of putting a game in the Grand Teton.
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Who knew that Wyoming baseball wasn't a great idea?
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As someone who covered Wyoming baseball straight out of college,
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I could have told them that, but yeah.
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Wait a minute.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa.
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Let's back up. There is such a thing as Wyoming baseball?
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Don't do that.
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Well, do the sheep play baseball?
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Don't do that. Don't do that.
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There was a rookie league team in the Pioneer League,
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an affiliate of the Rockies, the Casper Rockies. I covered
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them as the Rockies at the Casper Star Tribune. And
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then this was a brilliant idea, right? This was after
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I left, but they rebranded from the Casper Rockies to.
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What do you think?
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The Ghosts.
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Yes, they were the Ghosts. They had glow-in-the-dark hats. It
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was perfect.
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That's minor league baseball's best thing.
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That makes sense.
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I know.
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And then they moved to... somewhere at Grand Junction, Colorado
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or something. So there's no more minor league baseball in Casper.
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But it was a good time while it existed.
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All right.
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So this is the thing that we want to talk
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to you about, right? So before the story of how
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you got to where you are, before we get on
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to all the sports stuff, we do want to ask
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first about your arc, I guess including Wyoming baseball coverage,
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how you got all the way to the paper, and
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then how you eventually left the paper.
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Yeah, so high school with you, right?
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Naturally started off great, yeah.
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Yorktown Pride, a bench warmer for the baseball team, wrote
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for the Yorktown Century, then went to college out at
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Stanford and wrote for the Stanford Daily there, studied psychology.
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kept waiting to find something that I wanted to do
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besides sports journalism. It was something that, you know, like
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a lot of kids, I think, who grew up reading
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the sports pages and watching sports, that was, oh, yeah,
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that would be fun to do. But, yeah, I kind
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of hoped in the back of my mind, maybe I'll
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find something else that really drives me or another thing
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I'm passionate about.
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And I didn't really.
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I mean, I enjoyed a lot of my classes, but
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I took a job out of college at the Casper
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Star Tribune, I think, making like $ 30, 000 a year, but
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only paying like $ 300.
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For a two bedroom apartment.
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See, if I were smart, I could have like rented
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out the other room and it had gotten even more money.
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But, uh, no, it was a, it was a good time.
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I was out in Wyoming.
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Um, some of my best friends or, or people that
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I worked with there, cause we were kind of all
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in the same boat, right? Like almost none of us
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were from Wyoming. We were from university of Oregon. Um, Minnesota, Wisconsin,
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all over, and all convened there trying to make it.
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It's probably not going too far out on a limb
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to say that Wyoming doesn't produce a lot of writers.
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I mean, there's like five people in the whole state.
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It's true. It's true.
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The Casper Star Tribune, they like to say it was
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the only statewide paper.
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In Wyoming. That was like on the mass debt, I think.
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But we had, it was ridiculous.
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We had, because it was a statewide paper and this
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was just pre, print was everything at that point still.
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I'm kind of old. But we had five editions. So
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we had to.
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Close like the first edition at like 8 p.m. So that's,
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Covering sports, there is nothing done at 8 p.m., even
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in the Mountain Time Zone. So those are the papers
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that are going out to the far western part of
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the state. And then we had another one at like 9,
515
00:27:58.269 --> 00:28:00.950
and then 10, and then finally City Edition was at midnight,
516
00:28:00.970 --> 00:28:03.579
where we'd hopefully get the Rockies game in, any Denver
517
00:28:03.619 --> 00:28:06.759
Broncos news. They were all about the Colorado teams because
518
00:28:06.779 --> 00:28:09.960
they didn't have their own. Anyway, it was an awesome time.
519
00:28:10.420 --> 00:28:15.440
My first assignment there was covering a high school cross-country
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00:28:15.500 --> 00:28:17.109
skiing meet on December 5th.
521
00:28:17.109 --> 00:28:18.769
2005.
522
00:28:18.769 --> 00:28:23.609
I didn't know the first thing about cross-country skiing.
523
00:28:23.650 --> 00:28:25.430
It was a night event. It was a night ski.
524
00:28:26.730 --> 00:28:29.829
Night cross-country skiing in Wyoming.
525
00:28:29.970 --> 00:28:30.769
Riveting stuff.
526
00:28:31.369 --> 00:28:34.430
Freezing my ass off trying to find some coaches to
527
00:28:34.490 --> 00:28:37.220
talk to and explain anything and put together a story
528
00:28:37.259 --> 00:28:40.319
that night for the paper the next day. But from there,
529
00:28:40.339 --> 00:28:44.380
I covered Wyoming men's and women's basketball, the football team,
530
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:50.069
a little bit of rodeo, minor league baseball, and of
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00:28:50.130 --> 00:28:51.710
course a lot of, a lot of high school sports.
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00:28:52.460 --> 00:28:52.619
Sure.
533
00:28:53.579 --> 00:28:55.720
So it was, it was a really great time. Um,
534
00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:03.200
but two years later, I moved back to, um, back home. Um,
535
00:29:03.500 --> 00:29:07.859
my wife is sitting on the couch beyond my computer here.
536
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:10.670
And she was, she was not my wife then, but
537
00:29:10.690 --> 00:29:13.329
she was a big part of why I, I moved back.
538
00:29:13.450 --> 00:29:15.549
If I'm, if I'm being honest, she was here in
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00:29:15.809 --> 00:29:19.599
grad school. Um, And I wasn't going to go. I
540
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:21.420
didn't have a job lined up with The Washington Post
541
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:24.019
at that point with two years under my belt at
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00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:24.920
the Casper Star Tribune.
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00:29:24.940 --> 00:29:25.660
Can you believe it?
544
00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:27.559
Just walk right into the newsroom and be like, look,
545
00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:30.529
I'm the star reporter of the Casper Tribune.
546
00:29:31.089 --> 00:29:33.990
Right, right. So I got out of journalism for a bit.
547
00:29:34.009 --> 00:29:36.509
I was at a web-based training company in Old Town
548
00:29:36.549 --> 00:29:41.670
Alexandria for, I guess, four years. or five years, became
549
00:29:41.710 --> 00:29:42.859
a project manager there.
550
00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:44.039
It was weird.
551
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:50.660
We were writing web-based training for Customs and Border Protection
552
00:29:50.700 --> 00:29:53.259
was one of our big clients.
553
00:29:53.339 --> 00:29:54.920
So It's you.
554
00:29:55.049 --> 00:29:55.930
You did this.
555
00:29:56.049 --> 00:29:58.349
This was, hey, this was 2007 to 2010, 11.
556
00:29:58.349 --> 00:30:02.509
So I'll just leave it at that.
557
00:30:02.529 --> 00:30:03.329
So did you.
558
00:30:03.130 --> 00:30:05.569
Write the training that teaches them how to shoot people
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00:30:05.630 --> 00:30:07.450
in their cars, or is that a thing that they
560
00:30:07.470 --> 00:30:08.109
learned later?
561
00:30:08.730 --> 00:30:10.829
Thank you for leaving me out of the headachy headlines.
562
00:30:10.890 --> 00:30:13.569
I walked into this one.
563
00:30:15.710 --> 00:30:20.559
I will say, maybe the highlight of that was writing.
564
00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:27.529
CBP horse patrol training, which involved going out to San Diego,
565
00:30:27.990 --> 00:30:33.630
talking to subject matter experts about mucking and different riding techniques.
566
00:30:33.690 --> 00:30:36.839
And I mean, I guess you need it. I don't
567
00:30:36.859 --> 00:30:39.539
know if web-based training is the best way to teach someone.
568
00:30:39.299 --> 00:30:41.400
To ride a horse. Do the horses take the training too?
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00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:43.640
Or is this for the guys who ride them?
570
00:30:44.420 --> 00:30:44.960
Right, right.
571
00:30:46.890 --> 00:30:50.190
Did your rodeo experience come in handy there?
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Exactly.
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00:30:50.789 --> 00:30:51.089
Yes.
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Yes.
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It did. It did.
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00:30:53.109 --> 00:30:56.779
So I did that for a few years.
577
00:30:57.779 --> 00:31:03.299
I wasn't even freelancing sports much then.
578
00:31:03.380 --> 00:31:06.200
I think my biggest connection to sports at that time,
579
00:31:06.900 --> 00:31:10.369
and I think this, if I'm being honest, may have
580
00:31:10.470 --> 00:31:13.109
helped me get the post job down the line.
581
00:31:13.150 --> 00:31:13.589
I'll get there.
582
00:31:14.180 --> 00:31:16.960
I was a racing president for the nationals for, for
583
00:31:17.019 --> 00:31:19.079
two years, their first two years at Nass park.
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00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:20.539
Did you get to.
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00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:22.440
Choose which one or do they stick the head on
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00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:23.480
you each game?
587
00:31:24.119 --> 00:31:26.500
You didn't get to choose. That was the point where
588
00:31:26.539 --> 00:31:27.980
Teddy was still losing every time.
589
00:31:28.259 --> 00:31:28.769
Yeah.
590
00:31:28.789 --> 00:31:31.549
So there were about probably 15 to 20 of us
591
00:31:32.029 --> 00:31:34.490
who rotated in. So they, it's not like they had
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00:31:34.529 --> 00:31:36.509
four people who were there every single game.
593
00:31:36.829 --> 00:31:36.970
Right.
594
00:31:37.069 --> 00:31:39.269
Um, they had a schedule where 15 to 20. So
595
00:31:39.289 --> 00:31:41.069
you do a few games a month, but there were
596
00:31:41.089 --> 00:31:44.569
some older guys who did it. Um, And if they
597
00:31:44.609 --> 00:31:48.509
were there, they were kind of automatically Teddy because there
598
00:31:48.549 --> 00:31:51.630
was no risk that they would go rogue from if
599
00:31:51.670 --> 00:31:54.730
there was a script that night and ruin this.
600
00:31:54.670 --> 00:31:56.269
Bit, right?
601
00:31:56.569 --> 00:31:59.970
But I think throughout my two years, I was everybody
602
00:32:00.029 --> 00:32:03.910
at least once. There was also a guy who was
603
00:32:03.950 --> 00:32:07.529
a former college running back who went, he was there
604
00:32:07.910 --> 00:32:09.769
every single time I was there and he would always
605
00:32:09.809 --> 00:32:10.289
be Abe.
606
00:32:11.049 --> 00:32:14.490
And if it was a straight race, he was... blowing
607
00:32:14.509 --> 00:32:15.569
the competition.
608
00:32:15.109 --> 00:32:17.829
Away every single time anyway yeah age is the only
609
00:32:17.890 --> 00:32:25.119
one i root for yeah no comment.
610
00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:29.779
So so that was fun and then i while i
611
00:32:29.819 --> 00:32:33.269
was working there i did a i did night school
612
00:32:33.349 --> 00:32:37.440
at georgetown and their sports industry management program So working
613
00:32:37.460 --> 00:32:41.109
full time, going there, got that master's degree thinking, OK,
614
00:32:41.140 --> 00:32:43.170
I want to stay involved in sports journalism.
615
00:32:43.369 --> 00:32:45.990
Maybe it wasn't for me. Let's go make a lot
616
00:32:46.009 --> 00:32:46.849
of money in sports.
617
00:32:46.910 --> 00:32:49.509
You know, I'll wind up in a front office or whatever,
618
00:32:49.529 --> 00:32:51.670
because journalists are, for the most part, not making a
619
00:32:51.670 --> 00:32:54.049
lot of money. So I wound up at USA Today
620
00:32:54.430 --> 00:32:57.410
in a marketing role initially, and then an editorial position
621
00:32:57.470 --> 00:33:00.000
opened up on their high school sports site and they
622
00:33:00.019 --> 00:33:02.599
needed someone to help run it. And I was like, sure,
623
00:33:02.619 --> 00:33:04.740
I'll do this while I'm doing the marketing on the side.
624
00:33:05.809 --> 00:33:09.150
And then while I was doing that, the job at
625
00:33:09.170 --> 00:33:11.890
the Post opened up with Dan Steinberg, the D.C.
626
00:33:11.930 --> 00:33:15.289
Sports bog, who, in.
627
00:33:15.289 --> 00:33:18.029
Addition to reading Wilbon and Kornheiser growing up, he was
628
00:33:18.089 --> 00:33:22.769
more my contemporary idol. I loved the bog. I read
629
00:33:22.809 --> 00:33:27.099
it religiously. And I applied kind of on a whim.
630
00:33:27.140 --> 00:33:30.799
They had had a Best D.C. Sports Fan contest about
631
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:32.920
a year prior that I was the finalist for. And
632
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:37.450
I had emailed Dan. back and forth about various things.
633
00:33:37.490 --> 00:33:41.799
Sometimes I'd submitted blog ideas or feedback or just ask
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00:33:41.819 --> 00:33:44.039
them questions. And so I think I kind of had
635
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:47.519
like some sort of relationship with Dan there. And still,
636
00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:51.839
I didn't think I was a realistic, I didn't think
637
00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:54.109
realistically I was going to get this job, but.
638
00:33:54.109 --> 00:33:54.710
Lo and behold, I did.
639
00:33:54.730 --> 00:33:58.029
That was 2012. And yeah, the next, no, 2000, sorry, 2014.
640
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:08.199
So 12 years all the way up to February of
641
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:11.570
this year when they decided to effectively shut down their
642
00:34:11.809 --> 00:34:15.550
sports section. And I was laid off along with a
643
00:34:15.590 --> 00:34:19.130
bunch of friends. But yeah, it was an awesome 12 years.
644
00:34:19.150 --> 00:34:21.710
So that's kind of a long-winded career arc for me.
645
00:34:22.050 --> 00:34:22.590
There you go.
646
00:34:22.610 --> 00:34:27.130
All right. So this is a great opportunity to also
647
00:34:27.329 --> 00:34:31.090
talk about this thing that we teased a little bit earlier,
648
00:34:31.110 --> 00:34:34.780
which is, If you are a big fan of this show,
649
00:34:34.820 --> 00:34:38.440
you were watching recently when Jason Samenow, who also worked
650
00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:41.480
for the Post, also has a similar arc, right? He's
651
00:34:41.539 --> 00:34:45.059
a local kid, grows up here, starts his own thing,
652
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:51.130
eventually gets absorbed into the Washington Post system. So when
653
00:34:51.170 --> 00:34:55.510
he was on, we pitched him this idea about guessing
654
00:34:56.190 --> 00:34:59.289
when the drinking water was going to be cold enough
655
00:34:59.309 --> 00:35:06.559
to drink unrefrigerated. And This comes from a friend of mine, Kate,
656
00:35:06.980 --> 00:35:11.510
who she predicts this every year. She picks a date
657
00:35:12.050 --> 00:35:15.360
on the calendar when the water in the tap will
658
00:35:15.570 --> 00:35:20.369
be drinkably cold. And so what Jason is going to
659
00:35:20.409 --> 00:35:23.150
do next week is he's going to come on the
660
00:35:23.190 --> 00:35:29.519
show and give us that date when he thinks... the
661
00:35:29.619 --> 00:35:32.320
water will be drinkably cold. And we have some parameters
662
00:35:32.340 --> 00:35:34.849
for this. He's going to explain all that. And then
663
00:35:34.889 --> 00:35:38.250
he's going to post it out on Capital Weather for
664
00:35:38.389 --> 00:35:42.210
people to poll. They do lots of polls on their
665
00:35:42.230 --> 00:35:45.269
blog to decide whether you want to take the over
666
00:35:45.309 --> 00:35:47.309
or the under, before that date or after that date.
667
00:35:47.650 --> 00:35:51.409
And then we're going to ask people out there. So
668
00:35:51.489 --> 00:35:53.610
if you want to participate in this, here's how you can.
669
00:35:53.969 --> 00:35:58.420
Make sure you've got a thermometer, just a regular stick it,
670
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:01.380
in the Turkey kind of thermometer, but make sure it's
671
00:36:01.460 --> 00:36:04.380
a digital one that goes down to low enough temperatures.
672
00:36:05.019 --> 00:36:09.659
And we're going to ask everybody to record the temperature
673
00:36:09.739 --> 00:36:12.420
of the water coming out of their faucets. And when
674
00:36:12.460 --> 00:36:17.190
we get to a consensus below that threshold, that's going
675
00:36:17.210 --> 00:36:19.030
to be the real date. And then we're going to
676
00:36:19.070 --> 00:36:21.929
compare it against the poll and see how everybody did
677
00:36:21.989 --> 00:36:23.710
collectively as a city.
678
00:36:25.510 --> 00:36:25.650
So.
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00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:27.659
You know, your former colleague.
680
00:36:28.019 --> 00:36:28.699
That's awesome.
681
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:32.860
That is listener-viewer engagement.
682
00:36:33.380 --> 00:36:33.699
See?
683
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:34.340
I love it.
684
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:40.820
I love it. It is riveting, Kez. Such a hater.
685
00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:43.860
It's like I did the time when we were off.
686
00:36:44.139 --> 00:36:45.099
This is crazy.
687
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:47.079
But it's going to be great. And it's going to
688
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:50.619
get so many people involved. And it'll finally solve this thing.
689
00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:53.320
And it may become a thing that people care about. Because,
690
00:36:53.659 --> 00:36:57.369
you know, our little world. of friends that have been
691
00:36:57.550 --> 00:37:00.750
talking about this for years. Now we could expand that.
692
00:37:00.929 --> 00:37:01.949
We could have more friends.
693
00:37:02.789 --> 00:37:05.550
So I have to watch next week to see the
694
00:37:05.590 --> 00:37:08.849
parameters because how do you, you know, what I think
695
00:37:08.949 --> 00:37:12.030
is drinkable out of the tap kind of like, what
696
00:37:12.050 --> 00:37:15.360
do you keep your air conditioning set to? You know, well,
697
00:37:15.579 --> 00:37:18.699
I might be 72 and you're a 75 guy, like
698
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:20.420
same thing with tap water.
699
00:37:20.980 --> 00:37:24.900
So there we did come up. We, we had, I could,
700
00:37:25.269 --> 00:37:27.070
Talk to you about that, but that's going to ruin
701
00:37:27.090 --> 00:37:32.860
next week. There is a whole conversation about this. And officially,
702
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:36.079
just in case anybody does want to know, room temperature
703
00:37:36.420 --> 00:37:39.079
setting for air conditioning as they teach us in school
704
00:37:39.460 --> 00:37:44.440
is 72 and heat is 68. And you're supposed to
705
00:37:44.460 --> 00:37:46.320
have a four degree dead band. That is a thing
706
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:51.570
that you learn in HVAC 101.
707
00:37:51.739 --> 00:37:54.639
OK, just that we learn somehow every week. We learn
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00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:56.619
a little bit every week.
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00:37:56.659 --> 00:37:59.139
By the time you finish listening to this show, you'll
710
00:37:59.179 --> 00:38:01.300
be almost as good at air conditioning as me.
711
00:38:01.949 --> 00:38:05.630
I believe that. All right. We go off. Yeah.
712
00:38:05.809 --> 00:38:06.250
All right.
713
00:38:06.269 --> 00:38:08.250
So let's talk a little bit of football here, which
714
00:38:08.329 --> 00:38:10.389
is the thing that we want to know about. We
715
00:38:10.429 --> 00:38:13.969
care about a lot. And so Jaden Daniels was seen
716
00:38:14.010 --> 00:38:18.119
with an arm brace and he's there in London practicing.
717
00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:22.050
What's the latest? Where is this going to go? Are
718
00:38:22.070 --> 00:38:24.010
they going to RG three him? Please don't play him
719
00:38:24.090 --> 00:38:26.699
on Sunday. Like what, what are we doing here?
720
00:38:27.449 --> 00:38:27.800
Yeah.
721
00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:31.360
It's, it's crazy how much things have changed in the
722
00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:34.300
last two weeks, you know, from watching that the last
723
00:38:34.380 --> 00:38:36.739
play of the, the first half of the Cowboys game.
724
00:38:37.139 --> 00:38:37.380
Yeah.
725
00:38:37.940 --> 00:38:40.820
Gruesome to look at. Also, you saw the exact same
726
00:38:40.860 --> 00:38:44.039
thing against the Seahawks last year. You're thinking, here we
727
00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:46.500
go again. They go on to lose that game in
728
00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:49.760
a blowout fashion. You're thinking, okay, maybe this guy isn't,
729
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:53.239
just done for the year. Maybe this is a career
730
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:55.800
type thing, or at least you're wondering like, is he
731
00:38:55.960 --> 00:38:58.059
ever going to be able to stay on the field
732
00:38:58.079 --> 00:38:59.480
for more than a few games?
733
00:39:00.139 --> 00:39:01.340
And it was weird.
734
00:39:01.380 --> 00:39:04.260
Like the next few days, if you listen to sports
735
00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:09.619
talk radio, everybody and their mother had a orthopedic surgeon
736
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:11.860
on to talk about what they thought was going to
737
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:15.079
happen to Jaden Daniels, having not seen his imaging, obviously, right?
738
00:39:15.099 --> 00:39:18.179
That's the, that's the big caveat. Well, you know, it's
739
00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:20.130
kind of a shot in the dark here because I,
740
00:39:20.550 --> 00:39:24.269
I haven't seen the imaging, but I think he's going
741
00:39:24.289 --> 00:39:26.230
to be shut down for the season, or I think
742
00:39:26.250 --> 00:39:27.670
they can brace them and he can play in a
743
00:39:27.690 --> 00:39:32.320
few weeks and come to find out that, you know,
744
00:39:32.579 --> 00:39:35.719
he last year when this happened against Seattle, he was
745
00:39:35.739 --> 00:39:38.610
shut down, I think for a month before he came
746
00:39:38.650 --> 00:39:41.409
back and then re aggravated the injury in the, in
747
00:39:41.449 --> 00:39:43.909
the same game that he came back in and then
748
00:39:43.929 --> 00:39:46.340
was shut down for the year. Now it sounds like
749
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:48.780
they're going to brace him up. It's a different brace
750
00:39:48.900 --> 00:39:51.619
on that non-throwing elbow than he wore last year. It
751
00:39:51.659 --> 00:39:55.030
doesn't allow him to have full extension, which is going to,
752
00:39:55.690 --> 00:39:58.769
I guess, theoretically prevent him, makes it very hard to
753
00:39:59.150 --> 00:39:59.789
do this again.
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00:39:59.849 --> 00:40:00.670
Dislocate it again.
755
00:40:00.699 --> 00:40:05.980
And He spoke today, which was kind of a surprise
756
00:40:06.059 --> 00:40:09.409
to the reporters in London, because normally you have your
757
00:40:09.449 --> 00:40:13.070
quarterback who's going to start that coming Sunday, speak to reporters,
758
00:40:13.110 --> 00:40:16.070
have an availability. The commanders made it pretty clear that
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00:40:16.710 --> 00:40:19.190
Mariota had already spoken earlier in the week, so that
760
00:40:19.250 --> 00:40:21.090
was not the case here. This was just a chance
761
00:40:21.730 --> 00:40:23.949
to talk to Jaden for the first time after he
762
00:40:23.969 --> 00:40:26.510
suffered that injury. But he was asked, you know, are
763
00:40:26.530 --> 00:40:29.079
you going to be ready to go Sunday? And he
764
00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:32.280
just kind of smirked and said, I'm taking it day
765
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:34.369
to day. A lot of, I'm taking it day to.
766
00:40:34.289 --> 00:40:35.110
Day, smiling.
767
00:40:35.150 --> 00:40:38.190
And you come away from it like thinking, I thought
768
00:40:38.230 --> 00:40:39.889
going into this week, okay, it's kind of interesting that
769
00:40:39.909 --> 00:40:43.250
he's flying to London. He's going to practice in a
770
00:40:43.389 --> 00:40:47.030
limited capacity. There's no way he actually plays.
771
00:40:47.289 --> 00:40:48.010
Yeah, I don't think so.
772
00:40:48.050 --> 00:40:48.550
On Sunday.
773
00:40:49.070 --> 00:40:52.409
But after watching that press conference today, like a little
774
00:40:52.690 --> 00:40:55.150
part of me wonders, you know, maybe.
775
00:40:55.750 --> 00:40:57.789
I don't know if the smirks and the.
776
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:03.679
Say in day to day and not really given much
777
00:41:03.780 --> 00:41:07.909
was kind of gamesmanship or making it tough for the
778
00:41:07.949 --> 00:41:10.130
Colts and making sure they have to plan for two
779
00:41:10.170 --> 00:41:13.809
different quarterbacks, even though they're kind of similar styles. Um,
780
00:41:13.889 --> 00:41:17.309
but yeah, the thing is the, the bottom line is
781
00:41:17.869 --> 00:41:20.340
he could play Sunday. I still don't think he will.
782
00:41:20.389 --> 00:41:23.039
I think more likely next week against the giants.
783
00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:26.150
So do you think let's expand this. First of all,
784
00:41:26.550 --> 00:41:28.829
I heard of all people, Kurt Warner was like the
785
00:41:28.969 --> 00:41:31.150
expert on like, I put on a brace and I
786
00:41:31.170 --> 00:41:33.230
was fine. It's like, yeah, dude, they had a bunch
787
00:41:33.250 --> 00:41:37.449
of steroids and, and painkillers and stuff. That's a different era. Uh,
788
00:41:37.630 --> 00:41:42.239
but do you think it's a good idea? Like, is
789
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:45.079
it worth it to play him? Even if he says
790
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:45.800
he feels good?
791
00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:50.500
Um, I think so.
792
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:53.420
I did my own sort of research here talking to, uh,
793
00:41:54.300 --> 00:41:55.789
She'd always do your own research.
794
00:41:56.469 --> 00:41:56.849
Yes.
795
00:41:57.230 --> 00:42:00.369
I listened to all the other orthopedic surgeons talk on
796
00:42:00.389 --> 00:42:03.010
Sports Talk Radio, and then I happened to coach my
797
00:42:03.309 --> 00:42:07.929
five-year-old's t-ball coach pitch team, fall ball team. And we
798
00:42:07.969 --> 00:42:10.139
have a kid on the team whose dad happens to
799
00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:12.199
be an orthopedic surgeon.
800
00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:16.300
And if you read 4LDC, you read this story already,
801
00:42:16.579 --> 00:42:17.909
which I definitely did.
802
00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:19.059
Thank you. Thank you.
803
00:42:19.139 --> 00:42:19.480
Thank you.
804
00:42:20.929 --> 00:42:21.619
So I talked to him.
805
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:24.940
I was like, you know, kind of what's the– And
806
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:29.449
he said, again, I haven't seen the imaging, but, you know,
807
00:42:29.489 --> 00:42:32.130
as long as there's not like sort of bone damage
808
00:42:32.170 --> 00:42:37.070
or fractures or like really severe ligament damage where you
809
00:42:37.110 --> 00:42:40.769
need reconstructive surgery just kind of to function, you can
810
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:45.010
brace it up. and prevent him from dislocating it again.
811
00:42:45.030 --> 00:42:48.539
And as long as... He's probably not going to be
812
00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:51.940
all that comfortable with it, but if he can deal
813
00:42:51.980 --> 00:42:57.780
with it, there's not a real risk of suffering even
814
00:42:57.840 --> 00:42:58.980
more long-term damage.
815
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:01.800
It's the type of surgery that he could get after
816
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:02.300
the season.
817
00:43:02.659 --> 00:43:02.820
Now.
818
00:43:03.579 --> 00:43:06.219
maybe that goes out the window. If he takes the big, Hey,
819
00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:10.760
you mentioned Kurt Warner, Kurt Warner. It wasn't as your listeners,
820
00:43:10.809 --> 00:43:14.219
your viewers probably know he wasn't out there running for 70,
821
00:43:14.219 --> 00:43:15.429
80 yards a game.
822
00:43:15.469 --> 00:43:16.650
It just wasn't part of his game.
823
00:43:16.690 --> 00:43:19.510
All he needed to do was drop back and, you know,
824
00:43:19.550 --> 00:43:24.789
hand the ball off to his running ball. Throw, throw
825
00:43:24.809 --> 00:43:27.309
a little short passes to Larry Fitzgerald over the middle.
826
00:43:27.570 --> 00:43:28.190
Right.
827
00:43:29.230 --> 00:43:32.570
So yeah, I, I would.
828
00:43:33.090 --> 00:43:35.860
Hesitate about playing him this week just because he was
829
00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:38.719
limited in practice, and it's going to take some getting
830
00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:42.659
used to wearing this bulky thing on your non-throwing elbow.
831
00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:45.860
I mean, he said, he was asked, you know, do
832
00:43:45.889 --> 00:43:48.809
you have to throw the ball differently? Do you have
833
00:43:48.849 --> 00:43:51.150
to hand the ball off differently? Does it affect anything differently?
834
00:43:51.210 --> 00:43:54.230
And he was immediately, nope, nope, nope, nope.
835
00:43:54.269 --> 00:43:55.590
Yeah, but there's no way that's true.
836
00:43:55.610 --> 00:43:58.510
It's probably not true. But in terms of.
837
00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:04.019
Even if it's your non-throwing arm, Like that's still involved
838
00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:07.500
in the motion of throwing. It's not, I can't see that.
839
00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:11.110
And not for nothing, you know, all of us have
840
00:44:11.139 --> 00:44:15.250
had an injury or two or several dozen. And especially
841
00:44:15.289 --> 00:44:17.989
in terms of the way you play after you're injured,
842
00:44:18.130 --> 00:44:21.550
you favor something you you're thinking about. You can never
843
00:44:21.650 --> 00:44:24.929
not think about it. I mean, pick, pick an injury.
844
00:44:25.769 --> 00:44:29.980
I stepped differently because I have had meniscus surgery. Like, and,
845
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:32.420
Not that I'm at any risk of anything and that
846
00:44:32.460 --> 00:44:34.420
I'm all cleared to play and do all this, but
847
00:44:34.460 --> 00:44:36.929
I think about it in the way I get around
848
00:44:36.969 --> 00:44:39.010
in the shower, let alone if I was hanging the
849
00:44:39.050 --> 00:44:39.650
ball off.
850
00:44:39.969 --> 00:44:40.909
What are you cleared to play?
851
00:44:40.929 --> 00:44:43.130
I'm cleared to play work.
852
00:44:43.150 --> 00:44:46.889
Shut up. What are you cleared for?
853
00:44:47.650 --> 00:44:53.099
So I actually injured it in a softball game, warming
854
00:44:53.219 --> 00:44:56.039
up for the softball game. I then pitched that whole game,
855
00:44:56.579 --> 00:44:57.699
and then I got.
856
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:04.949
Surgery, the Curt Schilling game, the bloody side game.
857
00:45:05.590 --> 00:45:08.909
It was, it wasn't quite that, that desperate, but I,
858
00:45:09.329 --> 00:45:12.510
I got, I had surgery and then I was cleared
859
00:45:12.550 --> 00:45:15.769
to play again. And we ended up winning the championship.
860
00:45:15.949 --> 00:45:19.260
Oh my, of course that year. And then, and the
861
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.699
following year was the last season of this league was
862
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:26.039
the COVID year. And we won that championship as well.
863
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:28.940
And we were, we are now perma champs and nobody
864
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:29.780
can ever defeat us.
865
00:45:30.619 --> 00:45:33.219
So that's what's going to happen with Jaden Daniels.
866
00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:35.630
Exactly. There you go.
867
00:45:35.710 --> 00:45:37.730
I think it could happen.
868
00:45:37.469 --> 00:45:39.369
Without him playing this week.
869
00:45:39.510 --> 00:45:43.050
I would wait another week at least to let him
870
00:45:43.070 --> 00:45:43.699
get used.
871
00:45:43.570 --> 00:45:47.460
To it and psychologically kind of adjust and then put
872
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:48.360
him out there against the Giants.
873
00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:52.019
Don't deprive us of Mariota versus James Winston, possibly.
874
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:54.480
That's what the people want.
875
00:45:54.500 --> 00:45:57.820
That's what we all want. That's what we want. Don't
876
00:45:57.840 --> 00:45:58.539
deprive us of that.
877
00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:01.409
That's what we wanted 15 years ago, 10 years ago,
878
00:46:01.449 --> 00:46:01.969
whatever it was.
879
00:46:03.250 --> 00:46:05.469
Does he get an extension, though? Do they sign him
880
00:46:05.489 --> 00:46:09.130
to an extension? What's your take on that for Jaden?
881
00:46:09.949 --> 00:46:10.469
Oh, Jaden?
882
00:46:10.489 --> 00:46:14.780
Yeah. I mean, I think they're going.
883
00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:16.039
To exercise the... Yeah, I think so.
884
00:46:18.250 --> 00:46:23.590
I don't equate this to RG3 and what happened there
885
00:46:24.010 --> 00:46:28.130
or I think a lot of people were saying you
886
00:46:28.170 --> 00:46:30.150
know well he came back why wasn't he wearing a
887
00:46:30.190 --> 00:46:33.420
brace at the start of the year and everyone is
888
00:46:33.460 --> 00:46:38.000
saying like the risk of doing what he did last
889
00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:43.179
year a second time is astronomically low he like suffered
890
00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:46.539
two super fluky injuries. And people are like, well, he
891
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:49.199
should go get surgery. And the flip side is, okay,
892
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:50.920
if you shut him down now, he goes and gets
893
00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:54.880
that surgery. It's not turning his arm into what it
894
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:57.760
is now to some sort of bionic arm that can
895
00:46:57.780 --> 00:47:01.650
never dislocate again. You're going back to kind of what
896
00:47:01.690 --> 00:47:04.469
he was at last year against Seattle when he did
897
00:47:04.489 --> 00:47:04.949
that thing.
898
00:47:04.989 --> 00:47:06.269
Who's to say he won't do it again?
899
00:47:06.409 --> 00:47:09.929
So that I think kind of factors into, but I think,
900
00:47:10.500 --> 00:47:14.940
Hopefully the, the two flukiest injuries of his career are
901
00:47:15.380 --> 00:47:17.880
out of the way now are the two most devastating
902
00:47:17.900 --> 00:47:20.269
injuries of his career. I mean, this one turns out
903
00:47:20.329 --> 00:47:22.469
not to be so devastating perhaps if he's only going
904
00:47:22.489 --> 00:47:27.710
to miss potentially one game. But yeah, I think the
905
00:47:27.750 --> 00:47:33.260
way he looked that rookie season, I think he's going
906
00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:34.139
to be in DC for.
907
00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:37.110
A long time. The thing that, as a fan, right?
908
00:47:37.150 --> 00:47:40.710
We're, we're sort of scarred by RG three and anything
909
00:47:40.730 --> 00:47:43.059
that looks even a little bit like that. You've got a,
910
00:47:43.630 --> 00:47:48.719
a young second, third year quarterback, small guy, you know,
911
00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:51.880
gets hurt in a way has a recurring injury of
912
00:47:51.940 --> 00:47:54.599
the same injury. I understand it's not the same, but
913
00:47:54.619 --> 00:47:58.800
it does feel like a pattern and it, it makes
914
00:47:59.300 --> 00:48:04.400
me like anxious and nervous because I, anytime, like every
915
00:48:04.460 --> 00:48:09.230
snap that he took, any contact ever i flinch yeah
916
00:48:09.349 --> 00:48:12.070
i'm like yeah like i don't know if we're all
917
00:48:12.110 --> 00:48:14.900
we're all walking around with ptsd from rg3 that's a
918
00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:17.599
lot of letters all at once but like it just
919
00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:21.340
it feels like something i don't like it.
920
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:24.989
Yeah no i think that's that's absolutely true and i
921
00:48:25.030 --> 00:48:27.469
would say you know based on that first half of
922
00:48:27.489 --> 00:48:30.449
the cowboys game i don't know how you felt but
923
00:48:30.550 --> 00:48:32.780
i I think, you know, compared to kind of what
924
00:48:32.820 --> 00:48:37.230
we saw last year, he was running a lot and
925
00:48:37.250 --> 00:48:39.690
picking up a lot of yards. But that dude has
926
00:48:39.769 --> 00:48:40.789
learned how to slide.
927
00:48:40.949 --> 00:48:41.289
Yes.
928
00:48:41.530 --> 00:48:45.090
And to avoid unnecessary hits. I mean, it took a
929
00:48:45.110 --> 00:48:49.280
couple years. It took, you know, a really rough season
930
00:48:49.780 --> 00:48:54.239
last year. And very small sample size this year. I mean,
931
00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:56.380
who knows what happens when he comes back.
932
00:48:56.420 --> 00:48:57.900
He needs to put on just more power.
933
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:02.880
He does, but how do you concentrate that in the
934
00:49:03.030 --> 00:49:03.840
elbow or something?
935
00:49:03.909 --> 00:49:05.650
You know, it's funny that it's like his elbow that's
936
00:49:05.670 --> 00:49:07.369
the thing because the thing that scares the shit out
937
00:49:07.409 --> 00:49:09.670
of me is his legs. When you look at his legs,
938
00:49:09.750 --> 00:49:12.250
you're just like, how is this dude able to be
939
00:49:12.289 --> 00:49:14.829
this fast? His legs look like toothpicks.
940
00:49:14.949 --> 00:49:15.670
I know.
941
00:49:16.449 --> 00:49:16.690
I know.
942
00:49:16.889 --> 00:49:19.480
He put eight to ten pounds on during the offseason.
943
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:21.000
That's what they said.
944
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:22.840
And that's great. He needs ten more.
945
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:25.159
Yeah. Yeah.
946
00:49:25.219 --> 00:49:26.360
And I haven't seen.
947
00:49:26.199 --> 00:49:28.670
The imaging of his menu plan or anything like that,
948
00:49:28.710 --> 00:49:32.130
but I'm just saying as a qualified person who eats food.
949
00:49:32.710 --> 00:49:33.090
All right.
950
00:49:33.510 --> 00:49:36.130
Let's switch gears a little bit. The Mystics got bounced
951
00:49:36.170 --> 00:49:39.239
out of the playoffs last night, which, you know, it's sad,
952
00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:42.489
but Pretty good season. You know, haven't been in the
953
00:49:42.510 --> 00:49:44.150
playoffs in a long time, so it's good to get
954
00:49:44.190 --> 00:49:44.570
back in.
955
00:49:45.349 --> 00:49:47.010
Kind of knocked it. Youth is on our side there.
956
00:49:47.489 --> 00:49:47.949
That's right.
957
00:49:48.090 --> 00:49:48.590
Absolutely.
958
00:49:48.639 --> 00:49:52.360
Yeah. Well, clearly those picks are paying off. It's working out,
959
00:49:52.380 --> 00:49:55.099
so there's a future there. So, okay, so the Mets,
960
00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:58.920
they were out. They lost. Is it because they thought
961
00:49:58.940 --> 00:50:01.619
they were playing the Iowa Hawkeyes instead of the Atlanta Dreamers?
962
00:50:07.590 --> 00:50:08.349
It could have been.
963
00:50:08.389 --> 00:50:14.070
Caitlin Clark wasn't on the other side, but it could
964
00:50:14.170 --> 00:50:14.650
have been.
965
00:50:15.570 --> 00:50:20.659
What is the sports world feel of this obvious, very,
966
00:50:20.739 --> 00:50:24.380
very stupid thing that happened that we just saw the
967
00:50:24.420 --> 00:50:24.659
video of?
968
00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:28.820
No, I mean, as you saw, I dropped it in
969
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:32.070
one of my bullet point quick hits in the newsletter
970
00:50:32.110 --> 00:50:34.840
the other day because I couldn't not. You know, it
971
00:50:34.900 --> 00:50:38.380
involves the University of Maryland women's basketball team.
972
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:39.960
The local sports story.
973
00:50:39.980 --> 00:50:43.019
That's right. Always try to localize stuff.
974
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:48.019
But I saw something a little bit disappointing to me
975
00:50:48.139 --> 00:50:50.679
today because I want to continue to believe that there
976
00:50:51.059 --> 00:50:54.260
was some confusion between the Hawkeyes and the Hawks. And
977
00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:56.139
that was that I think someone got a hold of
978
00:50:56.219 --> 00:51:00.179
the actual text messages, which just referenced a basketball game.
979
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:00.909
Right.
980
00:51:02.010 --> 00:51:05.550
I think Schmidt's office or he looked.
981
00:51:05.349 --> 00:51:08.130
At the schedule that night, not thinking about college, just
982
00:51:08.150 --> 00:51:09.789
looked at the NBA schedule. And I guess there was
983
00:51:10.010 --> 00:51:12.780
one game and it was in Atlanta. So they just
984
00:51:12.900 --> 00:51:13.579
jumped there.
985
00:51:14.199 --> 00:51:17.099
So like he did try to make that case. And
986
00:51:17.139 --> 00:51:20.300
then somebody showed the schedule and there was like, first
987
00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:20.539
of all.
988
00:51:21.300 --> 00:51:23.059
Standalone game.
989
00:51:23.659 --> 00:51:26.110
Yeah. When is there ever been, they play 82 games.
990
00:51:26.150 --> 00:51:29.849
There's no way there's like one night where everybody else
991
00:51:30.130 --> 00:51:30.829
is off.
992
00:51:31.380 --> 00:51:33.719
Okay, good. Okay, so it was a Hawkeyes mix-up.
993
00:51:33.739 --> 00:51:35.420
So that was like six or seven games that night,
994
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:39.920
all starting between 7 and 8 o'clock. So that flew
995
00:51:39.980 --> 00:51:40.639
out the window.
996
00:51:42.940 --> 00:51:44.760
My favorite thing in the– or one of my favorite
997
00:51:44.780 --> 00:51:48.239
things in the aftermath of that was kind of local
998
00:51:49.539 --> 00:51:53.900
reporters who cover– Maryland women's basketball, or we're at least
999
00:51:53.940 --> 00:51:58.070
there for Caitlin Clark coming like, uh, Jack Smith was, um,
1000
00:51:58.690 --> 00:52:02.150
going back into their footage and looking at the game
1001
00:52:02.170 --> 00:52:04.750
broadcast and zooming in and saying, here, you can see
1002
00:52:04.809 --> 00:52:10.489
him in seat one, section 109, uh, State Farm Arena,
1003
00:52:10.510 --> 00:52:12.969
wherever the Hawks were. They don't even have a section 109,
1004
00:52:12.969 --> 00:52:16.329
all this like Zapruder approach to it.
1005
00:52:16.349 --> 00:52:16.909
It was great.
1006
00:52:17.449 --> 00:52:21.179
Um, but, uh, no, any, any time I can, uh,
1007
00:52:21.619 --> 00:52:26.329
I can include Senate judiciary hearings in the four-year DC newsletter.
1008
00:52:26.570 --> 00:52:27.610
I'll take advantage of that.
1009
00:52:27.769 --> 00:52:33.590
That is the extremely DC way of approaching sports news
1010
00:52:33.869 --> 00:52:36.190
is from the hearing angle.
1011
00:52:36.969 --> 00:52:39.010
Jack Smith was clearly at Magic City. That's where he
1012
00:52:39.050 --> 00:52:39.289
was at.
1013
00:52:40.070 --> 00:52:41.829
Right, right. No one went there, right?
1014
00:52:41.849 --> 00:52:42.389
The Wigs.
1015
00:52:43.309 --> 00:52:49.510
Lemon Pepper Wings. It's... Maybe the Mystics were. Maybe that's
1016
00:52:49.570 --> 00:52:52.050
what happened on Sunday night when they dropped game one.
1017
00:52:52.510 --> 00:52:53.429
Right, exactly.
1018
00:52:53.730 --> 00:52:54.789
Yeah, they were getting wings.
1019
00:52:55.530 --> 00:52:56.030
Getting wings.
1020
00:52:56.309 --> 00:53:00.710
Yeah. All right, so we'll go back to real sports here.
1021
00:53:01.329 --> 00:53:05.199
And specifically about sports media, what's your sense of how
1022
00:53:05.460 --> 00:53:09.320
sports will be covered on the local level going forward?
1023
00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:13.039
And will local sports reporters all end up being sort
1024
00:53:13.059 --> 00:53:13.860
of independent?
1025
00:53:16.059 --> 00:53:16.159
Um.
1026
00:53:17.329 --> 00:53:18.170
It's a good question.
1027
00:53:18.190 --> 00:53:22.989
I think already we've seen that most of my former
1028
00:53:23.030 --> 00:53:26.619
colleagues on the sports staff have landed elsewhere.
1029
00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:29.260
I think.
1030
00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:37.599
For certain positions, like beat reporters, Spencer Nussbaum, our Nationals
1031
00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:41.539
beat reporter, he slid over to The Athletic and.
1032
00:53:41.500 --> 00:53:43.239
Became their Nationals beat reporter.
1033
00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:46.000
And then they ran into big ads that were like,
1034
00:53:46.989 --> 00:53:49.690
and they had the WAS and they're like, we've got
1035
00:53:49.730 --> 00:53:50.230
you covered.
1036
00:53:50.389 --> 00:53:52.630
And it's like, yes, yes, yes.
1037
00:53:52.670 --> 00:53:53.349
All of the stuff.
1038
00:53:53.750 --> 00:53:56.610
Yep. The athletic really swooped in there.
1039
00:53:56.750 --> 00:54:00.900
And then you've probably been following or, or seeing the
1040
00:54:01.460 --> 00:54:05.239
note formerly notice. Then the sun actually, no, we're still
1041
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:08.300
noticed because of the lawsuit. And now we're the Washington sun.
1042
00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:11.889
As a matter of fact, I got in touch with
1043
00:54:11.929 --> 00:54:15.070
them and they're going to, have somebody on the show
1044
00:54:15.230 --> 00:54:16.949
in the next several weeks so stay tuned for that
1045
00:54:17.630 --> 00:54:20.659
oh awesome to discuss that exact thing so.
1046
00:54:20.550 --> 00:54:23.150
Yeah and to measure the temperature of.
1047
00:54:23.389 --> 00:54:26.500
Uh yeah well no let's not let's not confuse various
1048
00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:30.179
local media outlet coverage okay first of all just understand
1049
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:32.199
that now chip chat is where all the local media
1050
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:34.719
comes to like talk about important shit.
1051
00:54:34.900 --> 00:54:38.800
The sun's betting the over right the higher yeah well we'll.
1052
00:54:38.780 --> 00:54:43.059
Ask them when they're on ruin it it's a good radio.
1053
00:54:43.769 --> 00:54:44.789
I'll, I'll, I'll tune in.
1054
00:54:45.329 --> 00:54:48.809
Um, but yeah, the, the, the sun saw an opportunity to, um,
1055
00:54:49.590 --> 00:54:53.780
the notice sun, um, they've got freaking Tom Boswell writing
1056
00:54:53.820 --> 00:54:56.960
on the nets, uh, Jesse Dougherty, who was the beat
1057
00:54:57.000 --> 00:55:01.000
reporter during the world series run is there now. Um,
1058
00:55:01.340 --> 00:55:04.730
Jeff Dooley, my former commander's editor is, is running the
1059
00:55:04.769 --> 00:55:05.670
local kind.
1060
00:55:05.570 --> 00:55:06.550
Of sports team there.
1061
00:55:07.170 --> 00:55:10.250
Um, and they, they keep hiring and growing.
1062
00:55:11.369 --> 00:55:12.630
They, I think we're the.
1063
00:55:12.730 --> 00:55:14.969
Only outlet, at least is what they claimed that the
1064
00:55:15.030 --> 00:55:18.360
only outlet who had a reporter at game one in
1065
00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:20.440
Atlanta covering the mystics game from DC.
1066
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:24.809
They've got foundation money. They're, they're approaching this from a,
1067
00:55:25.019 --> 00:55:31.610
from a education slash nonprofit slash foundational perspective, as opposed
1068
00:55:31.639 --> 00:55:34.210
to a for-profit news perspective, which I think is, is
1069
00:55:34.269 --> 00:55:35.750
maybe the only way we're going to end up with
1070
00:55:35.809 --> 00:55:36.389
real reporting.
1071
00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:39.280
Yeah, it's like we've seen that work in the news space, right?
1072
00:55:39.300 --> 00:55:42.550
Yeah, exactly.
1073
00:55:43.269 --> 00:55:46.889
Yeah, but I think that they saw that, okay, there's
1074
00:55:46.929 --> 00:55:50.590
this void now, and despite what the Post thinks, the
1075
00:55:50.730 --> 00:55:53.289
higher-ups of the Post when they made these rash decisions,
1076
00:55:53.769 --> 00:55:57.179
people do care about local Metro news and local sports news.
1077
00:55:57.619 --> 00:56:01.199
And even the Post has kind of backtracked on that.
1078
00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:01.480
They.
1079
00:56:02.710 --> 00:56:05.250
It seemed at first that they're going to completely shut
1080
00:56:05.289 --> 00:56:05.929
down sports.
1081
00:56:06.010 --> 00:56:09.030
Now they have hired some people back. They have a
1082
00:56:09.050 --> 00:56:09.969
sports presence.
1083
00:56:10.949 --> 00:56:13.550
They have a sports intern there now who's been covering
1084
00:56:13.570 --> 00:56:17.929
the Mystics run and is out at Wizards training camp.
1085
00:56:19.230 --> 00:56:23.929
So clearly they saw that there was... Whoops! There's an
1086
00:56:23.969 --> 00:56:27.000
interest here. But anyway, I think in terms of people
1087
00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:30.219
going independent, I feel like I was kind of in
1088
00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:32.320
a weird space where I didn't have.
1089
00:56:34.150 --> 00:56:35.250
My beat was kind of.
1090
00:56:37.010 --> 00:56:42.510
Complimenting our beat reporters and almost like the quirky fan
1091
00:56:42.550 --> 00:56:44.679
inter side of DC sports.
1092
00:56:45.380 --> 00:56:46.219
It was pretty niche.
1093
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:50.639
And there's not that beat at the Athletic or at
1094
00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:52.340
the Washington Sun at this point.
1095
00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:53.199
Not yet.
1096
00:56:53.969 --> 00:56:54.360
Not yet.
1097
00:56:56.329 --> 00:56:59.690
But that's kind of what led me to decide, all right,
1098
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:02.079
And the fact that I get a lot of my
1099
00:57:02.139 --> 00:57:04.780
news now or I consume a lot of my news
1100
00:57:04.820 --> 00:57:08.260
now via newsletters. I think at first I didn't really
1101
00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:14.250
get the newsletter medium format. But now I subscribe to
1102
00:57:14.269 --> 00:57:16.670
a ton of newsletters and, you know, sometimes I click
1103
00:57:16.690 --> 00:57:19.190
through to the actual stories. But I just love kind
1104
00:57:19.210 --> 00:57:22.170
of the personality of it, the people writing it. I
1105
00:57:22.190 --> 00:57:26.329
think The Athletic does some really good ones. Roger Sherman's.
1106
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:31.500
sports newsletter is awesome. Highly recommend it. Um, but yeah,
1107
00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:34.159
I thought, you know, there must be some other people
1108
00:57:34.219 --> 00:57:37.050
out there like me who grew up here and like
1109
00:57:37.210 --> 00:57:39.829
all of, or most of the DC sports teams who
1110
00:57:39.869 --> 00:57:43.329
might want just like a five minute, like here's, here's
1111
00:57:43.349 --> 00:57:45.570
what's going on. Here's what people are talking about. Here's
1112
00:57:45.590 --> 00:57:48.179
some other interesting things to read. Here's some fun trivia.
1113
00:57:48.639 --> 00:57:54.159
Here's a word puzzle bit of history today in DC sports. Um,
1114
00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:57.050
that was the idea behind it and decided to kind
1115
00:57:57.090 --> 00:58:00.170
of give it a go. And then, you know, that's
1116
00:58:00.230 --> 00:58:02.690
my kind of independent approach now. And if it doesn't
1117
00:58:02.730 --> 00:58:05.369
gain traction, then, you know, maybe look for a job
1118
00:58:05.429 --> 00:58:06.849
at one of those other places I mentioned.
1119
00:58:07.590 --> 00:58:11.630
It just, I'm thinking about the way that we saw
1120
00:58:11.750 --> 00:58:16.409
print media fall apart. We saw, we're now seeing the
1121
00:58:16.730 --> 00:58:21.840
media group idea kind of falling apart too, that it,
1122
00:58:22.409 --> 00:58:24.780
like you mentioned the newsletters, I also get a ton
1123
00:58:24.820 --> 00:58:27.840
of them. I think Axios kind of like really pioneered
1124
00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:30.110
this in the news space early on.
1125
00:58:30.590 --> 00:58:31.590
Or you say Politico.
1126
00:58:32.369 --> 00:58:34.530
Politico was a newsletter to start with.
1127
00:58:34.550 --> 00:58:36.929
The playbook, right? Mike Allen might be the one to
1128
00:58:37.030 --> 00:58:37.530
do this.
1129
00:58:37.670 --> 00:58:42.929
Yeah. But he's involved at the Washington Sun. And that's
1130
00:58:42.969 --> 00:58:45.530
the thing where like maybe that's the way that this goes,
1131
00:58:45.550 --> 00:58:48.679
where it's all freelance, but it's sort of loosely affiliated
1132
00:58:48.739 --> 00:58:52.599
freelance or maybe more tightly affiliated, but still freelance, which
1133
00:58:52.639 --> 00:59:01.429
gives the reporters– Yeah. out themselves that you can sell,
1134
00:59:01.469 --> 00:59:03.449
you know, put it out on the side, whether it's
1135
00:59:03.750 --> 00:59:06.340
sub stacks or newsletters or anything like that. It just,
1136
00:59:07.110 --> 00:59:10.699
it means that for people who want to consume news
1137
00:59:10.900 --> 00:59:13.539
or get news, we got to look a little harder.
1138
00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:16.400
We don't, we can't just like the paper used to
1139
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:18.920
show up on my driveway and I'd open it and
1140
00:59:19.039 --> 00:59:21.059
all the things I wanted were in one place. And
1141
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:24.070
it's not that anymore, but yeah. But one of the
1142
00:59:24.110 --> 00:59:27.050
things that I noticed about the way like TV has
1143
00:59:27.110 --> 00:59:29.969
gone is TV is going through the same thing where
1144
00:59:30.010 --> 00:59:32.150
everything kind of splintered off and it's all the streaming.
1145
00:59:32.210 --> 00:59:36.340
And then right away they started to bundle back together
1146
00:59:36.820 --> 00:59:39.840
and basically reform the concept of cable that they all
1147
00:59:39.880 --> 00:59:41.699
said that they were getting away from. Do you think
1148
00:59:41.719 --> 00:59:45.480
that eventually we're going to see the arc come back
1149
00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:46.780
and people are going to be like, man, I'm tired
1150
00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:48.900
of having to go to five different places to get
1151
00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:50.679
my news. I wish these guys could all just write
1152
00:59:50.699 --> 00:59:53.000
in one place. I even pay a little bit for
1153
00:59:53.059 --> 00:59:54.539
it and maybe get it like delivered to me.
1154
00:59:55.360 --> 00:59:57.039
Yeah, no, I think that's a great point.
1155
00:59:57.079 --> 01:00:00.860
I was just thinking about kind of the parallels between the,
1156
01:00:01.099 --> 01:00:04.679
the TV cable situation, because I think, you know, if
1157
01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:07.519
I had done this a few years ago, decided to
1158
01:00:07.579 --> 01:00:09.019
branch out and do an independent thing, it.
1159
01:00:08.980 --> 01:00:10.969
Would have been a little bit more novel.
1160
01:00:11.050 --> 01:00:14.250
Now, like everybody has a sub stack, right? Even people
1161
01:00:14.289 --> 01:00:18.269
who are still writing for traditional outlets sometimes have sub stacks,
1162
01:00:18.690 --> 01:00:22.639
like in the DC sports space, um, Mark Zuckerman covering
1163
01:00:22.659 --> 01:00:27.400
the Nats. He's got a hugely popular Nats sub stack that,
1164
01:00:27.699 --> 01:00:30.000
you know, he started when he got let go from Masson,
1165
01:00:30.110 --> 01:00:34.110
but he was a relative kind of early adopter relative. There,
1166
01:00:34.150 --> 01:00:36.309
there weren't a ton of sub stacks at the time for,
1167
01:00:36.710 --> 01:00:39.750
you know, that sort of thing. Ben standing, same story with,
1168
01:00:39.849 --> 01:00:42.070
with the commanders. If you're a diehard commanders fan, you're,
1169
01:00:42.469 --> 01:00:46.510
you're subscribed to, you know, last man standing. Um, then
1170
01:00:46.570 --> 01:00:50.559
I come along and, um, some of my other colleagues
1171
01:00:50.579 --> 01:00:53.340
who have started Substack since we left, and you're asking
1172
01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:56.840
people like, hey, here's one other thing to always use
1173
01:00:56.880 --> 01:01:00.400
your email, just subscribe here. And I totally get it, right? Like,
1174
01:01:01.449 --> 01:01:03.690
once you do it, it comes to you and you
1175
01:01:03.730 --> 01:01:07.469
can decide whether to open it or read it or,
1176
01:01:07.510 --> 01:01:10.349
you know, maybe do a few times a week. But yeah,
1177
01:01:10.690 --> 01:01:13.110
that's an ask that people weren't used.
1178
01:01:13.010 --> 01:01:13.789
To having to do.
1179
01:01:13.929 --> 01:01:17.050
So I think, yeah, there is a possibility that, you know,
1180
01:01:17.110 --> 01:01:20.780
whether it's a place like the Washington sun where they're
1181
01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:26.360
kind of functioning like a traditional newspaper or independent writers on,
1182
01:01:26.500 --> 01:01:29.679
on subs that kind of band together and decide, Hey, let's,
1183
01:01:30.219 --> 01:01:32.769
let's do a kind of DC sports bundle.
1184
01:01:33.090 --> 01:01:36.469
You know, you subscribe maybe Ben and Mark, and then I'm,
1185
01:01:36.710 --> 01:01:37.070
I'm there.
1186
01:01:37.130 --> 01:01:39.349
Like you want a little bit of DC sports mixed
1187
01:01:39.389 --> 01:01:44.030
with your diehard in the weeds commanders and that's coverage.
1188
01:01:44.090 --> 01:01:46.610
You know, maybe that's something that happens down the road.
1189
01:01:46.630 --> 01:01:51.400
I it's just, it kind of feels to me like
1190
01:01:53.460 --> 01:01:57.659
the re you know, newspapers and, and local news. And
1191
01:01:57.780 --> 01:02:01.179
even to that extent, cable news, these things didn't pop
1192
01:02:01.239 --> 01:02:04.760
up out of nowhere. They, they weren't, it's not like
1193
01:02:04.820 --> 01:02:08.519
somebody was forced the idea of the newspaper on the people,
1194
01:02:08.860 --> 01:02:13.219
the people effectively assembled this through the market and asked
1195
01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:16.980
for this. And it, I think that desire still exists.
1196
01:02:17.059 --> 01:02:20.300
I can't see how it goes away. And I think
1197
01:02:20.380 --> 01:02:24.380
this is just like tech bros breaking stuff for the
1198
01:02:24.420 --> 01:02:27.760
sake of breaking it only to realize that big balls
1199
01:02:27.820 --> 01:02:30.780
was wrong. And we do in fact need a forest
1200
01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:34.400
service or whatever. And, and like, we do in fact
1201
01:02:34.519 --> 01:02:36.659
need a local sports section.
1202
01:02:37.409 --> 01:02:37.610
Yeah.
1203
01:02:38.110 --> 01:02:42.170
Yeah. I just point that out. I also do see
1204
01:02:42.230 --> 01:02:45.289
a role for like outlets like ours, which isn't exactly
1205
01:02:45.349 --> 01:02:49.269
traditional media, but isn't not that right. We're, we're adjacent to,
1206
01:02:49.329 --> 01:02:51.909
we're a place for that to exist. I want to
1207
01:02:52.349 --> 01:02:56.530
like highlight the ish talk guys who also cover local
1208
01:02:56.639 --> 01:02:59.840
stories from a different angle. And there is some value
1209
01:02:59.920 --> 01:03:03.280
in that in just the way that it goes. And
1210
01:03:03.519 --> 01:03:06.300
eventually these things aggregate. I mean, our network has gone
1211
01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:10.260
through expansion and contraction several times. since I've been here.
1212
01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:14.099
And it just kind of goes like that. People eventually
1213
01:03:14.139 --> 01:03:17.079
do coalesce around an idea in a community and they
1214
01:03:17.119 --> 01:03:21.159
do want those things. So I anticipate that going. Speaking
1215
01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:25.989
of which, how can people subscribe to 4oldbc and follow
1216
01:03:26.030 --> 01:03:27.449
you and get all this good stuff?
1217
01:03:28.050 --> 01:03:33.949
Yeah, no, I appreciate that. It's right there, 4oldbc. I
1218
01:03:33.989 --> 01:03:34.889
call it Beehive.
1219
01:03:35.190 --> 01:03:35.989
Yeah, I think that's it.
1220
01:03:36.610 --> 01:03:39.489
Yeah, I've heard people say beehive. The thing is, it's
1221
01:03:39.530 --> 01:03:48.079
not spelled like beehive is spelled. So you tell people... Oh, 4oldc. beehive. com. Now, B-E-E-H-I-I-V.com.
1222
01:03:48.480 --> 01:03:54.269
If you Google 4oldc newsletter, 4oldc sports newsletter, I think
1223
01:03:54.309 --> 01:03:57.030
I looked earlier today. I'm at least at the top
1224
01:03:57.090 --> 01:03:59.969
of– I know Google's search is broken, but I am
1225
01:04:00.550 --> 01:04:03.429
at the top of those rankings, so that's pretty sweet.
1226
01:04:03.449 --> 01:04:05.760
For $ 50, you can be at the top every time.
1227
01:04:05.780 --> 01:04:06.659
Yeah.
1228
01:04:08.369 --> 01:04:08.590
Right.
1229
01:04:09.190 --> 01:04:12.159
Um, I'm on X2, Scott S.
1230
01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:12.699
Allen.
1231
01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:17.719
Um, I've got a, an Instagram account for, for old DC. Um,
1232
01:04:18.179 --> 01:04:21.320
but yeah, right there on the screen, I, it's completely
1233
01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:25.159
free right now. I tell people like I've been tweeting more,
1234
01:04:25.769 --> 01:04:28.710
you know, links to it every day because there's a
1235
01:04:28.730 --> 01:04:30.630
website version that you can get to it there. But
1236
01:04:30.670 --> 01:04:32.869
if you want to get it in your inbox, you
1237
01:04:32.889 --> 01:04:36.230
just enter your email. Um, Right now it's free. I'm
1238
01:04:36.250 --> 01:04:38.349
just trying to get as many followers as I can,
1239
01:04:38.409 --> 01:04:41.510
have people tell their friends and hopefully gain some sort
1240
01:04:41.550 --> 01:04:45.110
of subscriber base. And then we'll down the road, you know,
1241
01:04:45.269 --> 01:04:47.809
maybe do some polling on what would you pay for
1242
01:04:47.849 --> 01:04:50.789
this per month or per year, if anything, and it
1243
01:04:50.809 --> 01:04:51.610
would be anonymous.
1244
01:04:51.630 --> 01:04:54.730
And if the answer is nothing, then okay, this was fun.
1245
01:04:54.849 --> 01:04:56.760
It's time to figure something else out.
1246
01:04:57.570 --> 01:04:58.699
I can feel that shit.
1247
01:04:59.110 --> 01:05:02.760
Look, I mean, not for nothing. You're on here. That's
1248
01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:04.099
going to get you one or two people.
1249
01:05:05.110 --> 01:05:08.250
I cannot wait. I cannot wait to go look at the.
1250
01:05:09.440 --> 01:05:11.699
You know, watch your numbers go through the roof.
1251
01:05:12.940 --> 01:05:14.039
I'm celebrating tomorrow.
1252
01:05:14.460 --> 01:05:16.699
Well, we'll, we're going to be sending out. So when,
1253
01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:19.940
when we put the show out as a, as a
1254
01:05:20.219 --> 01:05:23.219
podcast and stuff, which usually happens the next day or so, we'll,
1255
01:05:23.510 --> 01:05:26.210
we've got clips. We'll be posting the clips. We will
1256
01:05:26.269 --> 01:05:28.429
link to this. We'll make sure that everybody knows where
1257
01:05:28.449 --> 01:05:30.690
they can go. We're going to tag you relentlessly and
1258
01:05:30.730 --> 01:05:31.289
all these things.
1259
01:05:31.510 --> 01:05:31.829
Love it.
1260
01:05:32.110 --> 01:05:36.250
Very annoying for several weeks. And hopefully it works out
1261
01:05:36.570 --> 01:05:40.460
because I got to say, I'm not, I'm unbiased, right?
1262
01:05:40.480 --> 01:05:42.440
It's not just because we've known each other for most
1263
01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:45.880
of our lives. It's, it's because this is good stuff.
1264
01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:48.280
This is, it is good writing.
1265
01:05:48.679 --> 01:05:49.420
It's interesting.
1266
01:05:49.699 --> 01:05:52.809
The format is really nice. It's easy to go through
1267
01:05:52.929 --> 01:05:55.449
in your inbox. It's enjoyable. You know, you get so
1268
01:05:55.489 --> 01:05:59.329
much crap in your inbox and things like stuff you
1269
01:05:59.349 --> 01:06:01.670
got to do and work. You got to respond to.
1270
01:06:01.690 --> 01:06:05.619
And it's nice. to get something that's like pleasant and
1271
01:06:05.780 --> 01:06:10.849
interesting and something you care about and well-written and all
1272
01:06:10.889 --> 01:06:13.289
of that. So, you know, go get it.
1273
01:06:13.289 --> 01:06:16.489
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Jeff.
1274
01:06:17.190 --> 01:06:19.869
I got to ask, do you, do you get to the,
1275
01:06:20.369 --> 01:06:22.809
do you like the before and after puzzle?
1276
01:06:22.869 --> 01:06:23.550
Do you ever do that?
1277
01:06:23.570 --> 01:06:25.110
The Jeopardy question sort of thing?
1278
01:06:25.139 --> 01:06:25.340
Yes.
1279
01:06:25.719 --> 01:06:29.460
Yeah. I love that. But I'm, I'm an old person
1280
01:06:29.500 --> 01:06:32.369
who watches Jeopardy still. So I, Like, I've got my
1281
01:06:32.409 --> 01:06:36.730
kids hooked on Jeopardy now, actually, which is kind of fun. So, yeah,
1282
01:06:37.170 --> 01:06:40.760
I'm into that because I'm not going to say I
1283
01:06:40.840 --> 01:06:44.119
get it all the time. I get it sometimes. Sometimes
1284
01:06:44.219 --> 01:06:46.699
I'm like, what the hell is this? And then I
1285
01:06:47.019 --> 01:06:47.599
scroll down to it.
1286
01:06:47.599 --> 01:06:49.960
I'm like, oh, that's great. Yeah.
1287
01:06:50.239 --> 01:06:52.260
That's one of my favorite features, actually.
1288
01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:56.800
That honestly might be one of the hardest parts to
1289
01:06:56.840 --> 01:06:57.679
write some days.
1290
01:06:58.079 --> 01:06:58.699
I'm sure.
1291
01:06:59.239 --> 01:07:02.329
It'll often be, I'll try to think about it kind of,
1292
01:07:02.780 --> 01:07:05.010
you know, driving to pick the kids up from daycare
1293
01:07:05.030 --> 01:07:09.469
or whatever in the shower, you know, sometimes the last
1294
01:07:09.489 --> 01:07:11.389
thing I come up with though, before I hit send,
1295
01:07:11.530 --> 01:07:13.369
it's like, I really need a before and after it.
1296
01:07:13.369 --> 01:07:15.690
Cause I want that to be a, an everyday thing.
1297
01:07:16.170 --> 01:07:19.389
And then, you know, some are better than others, but no,
1298
01:07:19.530 --> 01:07:21.340
I want to make that kind of a daily piece.
1299
01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:23.500
And then the other thing that I like a lot
1300
01:07:23.519 --> 01:07:25.619
that I have a lot of fun with. And when
1301
01:07:25.639 --> 01:07:27.320
I was at the post, I loved writing these kinds
1302
01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:31.699
of stories in, in greater depth is the, today in
1303
01:07:31.719 --> 01:07:32.659
dc sports history i.
1304
01:07:32.619 --> 01:07:34.159
Was gonna say it's gotta be the history thing right
1305
01:07:34.719 --> 01:07:36.719
but yeah i've got the graphics that go along with
1306
01:07:36.780 --> 01:07:39.460
it too you can like grab the the picture from
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01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:43.010
the london game in 1992 and that yeah yeah that's
1308
01:07:43.070 --> 01:07:46.190
cool yeah yeah i'd offer you help with writing but
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01:07:46.250 --> 01:07:48.130
as you can see that might be a huge.
1310
01:07:47.849 --> 01:07:52.309
Mistake do not do that okay not.
1311
01:07:52.409 --> 01:07:53.530
Do that scott.
1312
01:07:55.320 --> 01:08:00.119
Our writers are dangerous god i heard i heard the
1313
01:08:00.139 --> 01:08:03.159
headlines like Yeah, I'd fire that guy if I could, but,
1314
01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:06.860
you know, he knows somebody who owns a network. All right,
1315
01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:09.280
so one more time, where can everybody get it? And then,
1316
01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:10.659
you know, we know it's a school night, so we'll
1317
01:08:10.679 --> 01:08:13.889
let you, you know, attend to that. But one more time,
1318
01:08:13.909 --> 01:08:16.210
and remember that this is nominally a radio show, so
1319
01:08:16.270 --> 01:08:18.430
just don't say it's on the screen because people need
1320
01:08:18.449 --> 01:08:19.880
to be able to hear it.
1321
01:08:19.949 --> 01:08:20.890
Yes, thank you.
1322
01:08:21.869 --> 01:08:27.329
So it's 4oldc, like from the Commander Redskins fight song,
1323
01:08:27.390 --> 01:08:29.250
Fight for Old DC, except it's just 4oldc.
1324
01:08:29.010 --> 01:08:29.250
Com.
1325
01:08:31.569 --> 01:08:40.140
B E E H I I V.com. That's right. And no, no,
1326
01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:42.220
no 30. Right.
1327
01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:46.739
Or you can search for old DC newsletter, put that
1328
01:08:46.779 --> 01:08:49.380
in the old, the old Google machine and it should
1329
01:08:49.420 --> 01:08:50.779
pop up at the, at the top.
1330
01:08:51.710 --> 01:08:52.670
All right. There you go.
1331
01:08:53.229 --> 01:08:56.029
Thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate
1332
01:08:56.050 --> 01:08:58.590
you having the time for us and hopefully we can
1333
01:08:58.609 --> 01:09:00.659
get you back on. Maybe, you know, later on in
1334
01:09:00.699 --> 01:09:03.279
the season, we'll have some updates. Maybe we're making a
1335
01:09:03.340 --> 01:09:04.199
playoff run.
1336
01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:08.000
Hope, hope, hope, you know, I would, I would love
1337
01:09:08.140 --> 01:09:11.479
all of the above. Yes. I would love to come
1338
01:09:11.520 --> 01:09:11.840
back on.
1339
01:09:12.229 --> 01:09:15.270
Great. Well, glad we didn't ruin this for you. Okay.
1340
01:09:15.350 --> 01:09:16.630
I don't know.
1341
01:09:16.649 --> 01:09:19.069
We're going to let Scott go. We're going to take
1342
01:09:19.109 --> 01:09:20.850
a break. We'll be right back with the third half
1343
01:09:20.890 --> 01:09:23.069
of the show. You're listening to Chip Chat on Beltway
1344
01:09:23.109 --> 01:09:25.060
Radio and beyond. Sweet.
1345
01:09:28.569 --> 01:09:30.920
I'm sick of all these witches and warlocks.
1346
01:09:30.979 --> 01:09:32.100
They're full of shit.
1347
01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:33.739
Pumpkin popsums.
1348
01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:37.770
I'm sick of it. You keep interrupting. All of it's locked.
1349
01:09:38.069 --> 01:09:39.430
Because you're lying.
1350
01:09:39.930 --> 01:09:40.569
That's why.
1351
01:09:41.010 --> 01:09:42.250
Oh, there's energy.
1352
01:09:42.510 --> 01:09:43.670
Oh, now we're done with Trump.
1353
01:09:43.689 --> 01:09:46.699
You said he was the Messiah. You said he was invincible.
1354
01:09:46.800 --> 01:09:49.500
I will not suffer your cute people after this. I
1355
01:09:49.539 --> 01:09:51.479
knew what you were day one. I know what you
1356
01:09:51.539 --> 01:09:55.619
are now. Witches and warlocks are full of shit. Pumpkin
1357
01:09:55.680 --> 01:09:56.520
and popsums.
1358
01:09:56.720 --> 01:09:59.340
I'm sick of it. You keep interrupting me.
1359
01:09:59.399 --> 01:10:00.579
And all of it's lies.
1360
01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:02.220
Because you're lying.
1361
01:10:02.720 --> 01:10:05.439
That's why every goddamn thing out of your people's mouths
1362
01:10:05.470 --> 01:10:06.270
doesn't come true.
1363
01:10:06.409 --> 01:10:07.750
You said it was all over.
1364
01:10:07.789 --> 01:10:09.170
You told us to stop.
1365
01:10:09.189 --> 01:10:09.439
You....
1366
01:10:15.229 --> 01:10:19.689
Witches and warlocks, you're full of shit. Pumpkin popsums, I'm
1367
01:10:19.770 --> 01:10:20.489
sick of it.
1368
01:10:20.529 --> 01:10:22.289
You keep interrupting me.
1369
01:10:22.430 --> 01:10:23.229
All of it's lies.
1370
01:10:23.680 --> 01:10:25.039
Because you're lying.
1371
01:10:25.539 --> 01:10:26.199
That's why.
1372
01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:31.100
Witches and warlocks, you're full of shit. Pumpkin popsums, I'm
1373
01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:31.939
sick of it.
1374
01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:34.819
You keep interrupting me. All of it's lies.
1375
01:10:35.079 --> 01:10:36.470
Because you're lying.
1376
01:10:36.939 --> 01:10:37.630
That's why.
1377
01:10:37.710 --> 01:10:39.090
Because every god thing.
1378
01:10:49.430 --> 01:11:14.180
To restore the paradigm of absolute control. And I'm starting
1379
01:11:14.189 --> 01:11:16.539
to think about having to eat my neighbors.
1380
01:11:16.819 --> 01:11:19.579
You think I like sizing up, gonna haul him a
1381
01:11:19.699 --> 01:11:20.399
fat chain.
1382
01:11:21.039 --> 01:11:23.720
Chop his ass up, sizing up, gonna haul him a
1383
01:11:23.819 --> 01:11:24.539
fat chain.
1384
01:11:24.640 --> 01:11:25.640
Chop, chop, chop, chop.
1385
01:11:25.819 --> 01:11:28.159
I will eat your leftist.
1386
01:11:27.880 --> 01:11:29.760
Ass like Warren on the cob.
1387
01:11:30.020 --> 01:11:30.920
I'm ready.
1388
01:11:31.119 --> 01:11:31.380
I will.
1389
01:11:31.979 --> 01:11:33.239
I will eat your ass.
1390
01:11:33.260 --> 01:11:34.180
I will eat your ass.
1391
01:11:34.239 --> 01:11:38.039
I will eat your leftist ass like Warren on the cob.
1392
01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:39.140
I'm ready.
1393
01:11:39.340 --> 01:11:39.920
I will eat you.
1394
01:11:40.260 --> 01:11:41.479
I will eat your ass.
1395
01:11:41.500 --> 01:11:41.970
I will eat your ass.
1396
01:11:42.579 --> 01:11:47.579
I'll barbecue your ass flat. I will cook your ass
1397
01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:49.699
up so fast. I'll tell them, well, I killed a
1398
01:11:49.729 --> 01:11:53.090
cow out back, baby. You think Christ would eat somebody?
1399
01:11:53.130 --> 01:11:53.829
He would never do that.
1400
01:11:54.149 --> 01:11:54.449
I will.
1401
01:11:54.789 --> 01:11:56.829
I'm ready to hang them up, gut them and skin
1402
01:11:56.850 --> 01:11:58.010
them and chop them up. You know what?
1403
01:11:58.029 --> 01:11:58.710
I'm ready.
1404
01:11:58.829 --> 01:11:59.729
I will eat.
1405
01:11:59.750 --> 01:12:02.810
Your leftist ass like corn on the cob.
1406
01:12:04.210 --> 01:12:12.119
I will eat your leftist ass like corn on the cob.
1407
01:12:12.439 --> 01:12:13.020
I'm ready.
1408
01:12:13.340 --> 01:12:17.600
I will eat you. I will eat your leftist ass
1409
01:12:17.619 --> 01:12:20.319
like corn on the cob. I'm ready.
1410
01:12:20.340 --> 01:12:23.750
I will eat your leftist ass like corn on the cob.
1411
01:12:23.850 --> 01:12:24.329
I'm ready.
1412
01:12:24.430 --> 01:12:27.750
I will eat your leftist ass like corn on the cob.
1413
01:12:27.770 --> 01:12:28.770
I'm ready.
1414
01:12:28.930 --> 01:12:29.420
I will eat you.
1415
01:12:29.510 --> 01:12:31.289
I will eat your leftist ass.
1416
01:12:31.270 --> 01:12:32.289
Like corn on the cob.
1417
01:12:32.750 --> 01:12:34.729
That's why I want the globalists to know I will
1418
01:12:34.789 --> 01:12:35.710
eat your ass first.
1419
01:12:35.729 --> 01:12:37.670
I swear to God, if it's the last thing I do,
1420
01:12:37.670 --> 01:12:39.229
I'm going to get my hands around your throat.
1421
01:12:40.939 --> 01:12:41.220
All right.
1422
01:12:41.260 --> 01:12:44.920
Welcome back to Chip Chat here on Beltway Radio and Beyond.
1423
01:12:45.520 --> 01:12:46.399
I'm your host, Chip.
1424
01:12:46.439 --> 01:12:52.020
With me is Tez. What's popping out? Playing the hits.
1425
01:12:52.439 --> 01:12:56.180
Playing the hits. Who's that brought to you? Bobby Onion,
1426
01:12:56.439 --> 01:12:58.420
I guess? Yeah, well, now.
1427
01:12:58.479 --> 01:13:03.800
Now, kind of. And as always, as we play that
1428
01:13:04.220 --> 01:13:12.260
terrible man and his, not his, but great songs and.
1429
01:13:10.979 --> 01:13:13.039
Compilations that people have put together. They're really good.
1430
01:13:14.119 --> 01:13:16.779
We always want to ask you to go and head
1431
01:13:16.819 --> 01:13:21.399
over to SandyHookPromise.org and donate because this is how we
1432
01:13:21.439 --> 01:13:27.220
try to make up for playing that heinous person. Hopefully
1433
01:13:27.239 --> 01:13:30.500
you guys go and donate and It's like, again, our
1434
01:13:30.760 --> 01:13:31.399
carbon credit.
1435
01:13:31.779 --> 01:13:31.979
Right.
1436
01:13:32.060 --> 01:13:34.560
Karma credit. Karma credit. There you go. There you go.
1437
01:13:34.569 --> 01:13:35.810
Karma credit. Yeah.
1438
01:13:36.670 --> 01:13:38.189
And what you do with your corn on the cob
1439
01:13:38.250 --> 01:13:38.609
is up to.
1440
01:13:38.590 --> 01:13:39.590
You, man. So, you know.
1441
01:13:39.649 --> 01:13:39.850
Yeah.
1442
01:13:40.050 --> 01:13:40.229
Yeah.
1443
01:13:40.310 --> 01:13:42.770
That's cool. Yeah.
1444
01:13:43.609 --> 01:13:48.470
All right. Now we've done that. Also, thanks to Scott
1445
01:13:49.029 --> 01:13:51.869
for coming on the show and taking that risk. That
1446
01:13:51.890 --> 01:13:53.090
was really cool.
1447
01:13:53.109 --> 01:13:54.689
Look.
1448
01:13:54.850 --> 01:13:58.630
We put people in such bad. Yeah, but they come back.
1449
01:13:58.930 --> 01:13:59.369
Terrible.
1450
01:13:59.949 --> 01:14:04.350
You don't like this. It's weird. I don't like it, but,
1451
01:14:04.550 --> 01:14:04.850
you know.
1452
01:14:05.909 --> 01:14:10.199
Like, to be sandwiched in between the headlines and then
1453
01:14:10.779 --> 01:14:12.399
back-to-back Alex Jones.
1454
01:14:12.159 --> 01:14:18.039
Videos, it's not a good sandwich. No. It's not a
1455
01:14:18.079 --> 01:14:18.720
good sandwich.
1456
01:14:19.140 --> 01:14:20.359
No. No.
1457
01:14:20.600 --> 01:14:21.970
Not a good sandwich. That's okay.
1458
01:14:22.550 --> 01:14:24.550
We throw sandwiches at the cops here in D.C.
1459
01:14:24.930 --> 01:14:25.590
This is true.
1460
01:14:25.810 --> 01:14:29.010
It's what we do with our sandwiches. All right, so
1461
01:14:29.170 --> 01:14:30.430
now we've come to the part of the show called
1462
01:14:30.449 --> 01:14:32.409
The Rundown. This is where I tell you about some
1463
01:14:32.479 --> 01:14:35.899
stuff that's going on in the news. If we were
1464
01:14:35.960 --> 01:14:44.460
real newsmen, it would sound something like this. From Beltway
1465
01:14:44.500 --> 01:14:48.989
Radio and beyond in Washington, D.C., I'm Emmy-nominated TV newsman
1466
01:14:49.170 --> 01:14:51.270
and just bonafide sexual beast, J.
1467
01:14:51.289 --> 01:14:51.789
Scott Smith.
1468
01:14:52.180 --> 01:14:54.140
And this is the part of the show where I
1469
01:14:54.180 --> 01:14:56.119
tell some stuff about the world. Maybe not me, but
1470
01:14:56.159 --> 01:14:57.680
somebody else is going to tell some stuff about what's
1471
01:14:57.699 --> 01:15:00.630
happening in the news. So what's going on in the news, fellas?
1472
01:15:01.590 --> 01:15:02.250
Thanks, Jay.
1473
01:15:02.909 --> 01:15:06.050
You got to go check them out. Yes. Channel 4, Detroit,
1474
01:15:06.430 --> 01:15:09.630
Saturdays and Sundays and probably more days now.
1475
01:15:10.350 --> 01:15:12.869
Sad story you just posted I saw on there about
1476
01:15:13.010 --> 01:15:13.949
a child getting shot.
1477
01:15:14.590 --> 01:15:16.600
Yeah, let's not look at that.
1478
01:15:17.029 --> 01:15:18.340
Well, I mean, it's the news.
1479
01:15:19.460 --> 01:15:22.720
Yeah, but that's that's, you know, that's freedom. So it's fine.
1480
01:15:22.739 --> 01:15:22.859
Yeah.
1481
01:15:23.079 --> 01:15:28.239
Yeah. You mean the kid got a freedom pellet? Yeah.
1482
01:15:28.279 --> 01:15:29.420
You know, there you go.
1483
01:15:29.399 --> 01:15:30.399
All right.
1484
01:15:30.819 --> 01:15:32.199
So not even real per hour.
1485
01:15:32.229 --> 01:15:34.890
We're going to do our depressing show without help from
1486
01:15:35.029 --> 01:15:39.029
other depressing things. This is a, this comes to us from,
1487
01:15:39.229 --> 01:15:42.550
from England, which is also where test comes to us from.
1488
01:15:42.569 --> 01:15:44.470
I do come from there. Yeah.
1489
01:15:44.609 --> 01:15:48.859
Tez is, is from England and they're, One of the
1490
01:15:48.899 --> 01:15:51.920
things about England is that England and America are kind
1491
01:15:51.960 --> 01:15:54.960
of friends. We used to be very best friends. Now
1492
01:15:55.960 --> 01:16:00.390
we're ish friends. And one of the ways that we
1493
01:16:00.470 --> 01:16:04.529
demonstrate our friendship is that England lets us use their
1494
01:16:05.130 --> 01:16:09.529
Air Force bases a lot. And we let them have
1495
01:16:09.590 --> 01:16:13.670
Burger King. And so it's a good relationship there because
1496
01:16:13.729 --> 01:16:16.260
if there's ever a U.S. Air Force base or U.S.
1497
01:16:16.439 --> 01:16:18.829
base of any kind, there's always a Burger King. And
1498
01:16:19.750 --> 01:16:23.350
the Brits don't have proper food. So this is the
1499
01:16:23.399 --> 01:16:26.579
trade that we make with them. They had to conquer
1500
01:16:26.619 --> 01:16:32.779
whole countries just to get spices. So, yeah. So RAF base,
1501
01:16:33.220 --> 01:16:36.439
RAF is the Royal Air Force, right? That's that. I
1502
01:16:36.460 --> 01:16:37.359
don't know why they call it.
1503
01:16:37.720 --> 01:16:38.199
So, okay.
1504
01:16:38.479 --> 01:16:42.449
So RAF base Fairford, which is, I'm sure they don't
1505
01:16:42.529 --> 01:16:47.810
say Fairford. I'm sure they say Fairford, but Fairford. Yeah. It's,
1506
01:16:48.880 --> 01:16:53.380
West of London by about like two hours drive. So
1507
01:16:53.600 --> 01:16:56.039
you can think of it as, and it's a little North.
1508
01:16:56.380 --> 01:17:00.489
So it's not like it's South of Birmingham and West
1509
01:17:00.609 --> 01:17:05.430
of that. If you're trying to localize this on a map,
1510
01:17:06.229 --> 01:17:08.670
there was a thing that happened. This is not keep
1511
01:17:08.710 --> 01:17:10.670
in mind. This base is kind of in the middle
1512
01:17:10.710 --> 01:17:13.199
of farm country. There's not much around. It's not like
1513
01:17:13.260 --> 01:17:16.729
a big city or a town nearby or, there's no
1514
01:17:17.170 --> 01:17:19.470
like civilian airport nearby or anything. It's not even like
1515
01:17:19.510 --> 01:17:20.930
a big enough place to have an airport, right? So
1516
01:17:20.970 --> 01:17:22.829
it's just out in the middle of nowhere, which is
1517
01:17:22.869 --> 01:17:25.130
a good place to put an Air Force base because
1518
01:17:25.289 --> 01:17:29.260
it's loud and big planes are taking off from there. Specifically,
1519
01:17:29.600 --> 01:17:33.960
the American B-1Bs, the Bone, flies out of Fairford on
1520
01:17:34.279 --> 01:17:38.180
many missions, but in this case, specifically missions towards Iran.
1521
01:17:39.079 --> 01:17:40.220
The Bone is our.
1522
01:17:40.189 --> 01:17:41.170
Biggest heavy bomber.
1523
01:17:41.510 --> 01:17:45.000
It's supersonic. It's swing wing. It's a super cool airplane.
1524
01:17:45.239 --> 01:17:49.670
Big four engines, afterburners. The pilots love it. I love it.
1525
01:17:50.050 --> 01:17:52.829
The plane spotters love it. They shoot all these cool
1526
01:17:52.850 --> 01:17:55.449
videos of it taking off and landing and then post
1527
01:17:55.470 --> 01:17:58.810
them on Instagram where I scroll them relentlessly. And the
1528
01:17:58.850 --> 01:18:01.289
people who don't love it, you know, they're on the
1529
01:18:01.329 --> 01:18:03.350
other end of it. That's their problem.
1530
01:18:05.069 --> 01:18:09.770
They shouldn't be so Iranian. The warplane that kills people, but,
1531
01:18:09.810 --> 01:18:11.350
you know, we love it.
1532
01:18:11.430 --> 01:18:14.989
Yeah, right. as we've noticed on this show before that
1533
01:18:15.050 --> 01:18:17.229
like one of the luxuries of being American is that
1534
01:18:17.270 --> 01:18:22.880
you can like fighter aircraft or bombers and military aircraft
1535
01:18:22.989 --> 01:18:23.800
as like a hobby.
1536
01:18:24.840 --> 01:18:26.920
Cause it's never, it's never coming for you.
1537
01:18:27.899 --> 01:18:28.420
Yeah.
1538
01:18:28.699 --> 01:18:29.140
Not yet.
1539
01:18:30.180 --> 01:18:33.579
You can be me who like has books on books
1540
01:18:33.779 --> 01:18:39.939
on books about airplanes, mostly military airplanes. And like, can
1541
01:18:40.020 --> 01:18:42.979
recite which engines they have and how much thrust they
1542
01:18:43.000 --> 01:18:46.649
develop and what their cruise speeds are and how much
1543
01:18:46.789 --> 01:18:49.489
armament they can carry. And those are just fun things
1544
01:18:49.569 --> 01:18:53.020
to know. because I'm not going to be on the
1545
01:18:53.079 --> 01:18:59.710
other end of the bone. But we hope not. However,
1546
01:18:59.930 --> 01:19:01.670
the Iranians are currently on the other end of the
1547
01:19:01.689 --> 01:19:06.590
bone and it looks like some other guys were unhappy
1548
01:19:06.670 --> 01:19:12.220
about that. It's not totally clear what's happened, but there
1549
01:19:12.300 --> 01:19:16.199
was some nefarious activity of some kind. There was a truck.
1550
01:19:16.470 --> 01:19:19.789
It had some masked people in it. And the local
1551
01:19:19.850 --> 01:19:22.109
farmer was like, hey, what are y'all doing? So she
1552
01:19:22.149 --> 01:19:25.640
called the cops and they showed up and they arrested
1553
01:19:25.680 --> 01:19:29.300
these guys and they checked them out. And it turns
1554
01:19:29.340 --> 01:19:31.399
out they had like some fuel in the truck and
1555
01:19:31.439 --> 01:19:35.109
maybe they had been purchasing fertilizer. And then people were like, oh,
1556
01:19:35.149 --> 01:19:37.569
fuel and fertilizer sounds a little Tim McVeigh to me.
1557
01:19:37.609 --> 01:19:39.789
But then also they're out in farm country. So maybe
1558
01:19:39.810 --> 01:19:40.310
it's like legit.
1559
01:19:40.350 --> 01:19:42.250
Maybe they work on a farm.
1560
01:19:42.270 --> 01:19:42.449
Maybe.
1561
01:19:42.489 --> 01:19:44.420
Which is what's out there.
1562
01:19:44.479 --> 01:19:44.640
Yeah.
1563
01:19:50.770 --> 01:19:52.890
So but they were wearing masks. And, you know, we
1564
01:19:52.930 --> 01:19:57.060
know that masks are face diapers or freedom killers or
1565
01:19:57.220 --> 01:20:00.520
also maybe indications of you being a terrorist or also
1566
01:20:00.579 --> 01:20:03.560
totally fine when you're wearing khakis and carrying a stupid
1567
01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:06.460
little shield on the metro. It's hard to know what
1568
01:20:06.500 --> 01:20:08.399
a mask really means these days.
1569
01:20:08.460 --> 01:20:09.079
Very hard.
1570
01:20:10.319 --> 01:20:16.109
So. Prime Minister Andy, nobody calls him anything else, but
1571
01:20:16.149 --> 01:20:19.369
he's not Burnham. He's just Andy. Everybody calls him Andy.
1572
01:20:19.819 --> 01:20:23.520
So Prime Minister Andy is like, all right, we caught
1573
01:20:23.539 --> 01:20:27.529
these guys and they let them out on bail. And
1574
01:20:27.569 --> 01:20:30.710
so Trump and everybody else was like, what the fuck
1575
01:20:30.750 --> 01:20:32.649
can you let these guys out on bail? And they're
1576
01:20:32.670 --> 01:20:34.409
all a bunch of terrorists. And he's like, we have
1577
01:20:34.449 --> 01:20:38.930
laws and they weren't caught doing anything like that would
1578
01:20:39.229 --> 01:20:42.970
qualify to detain them past what bail. Like they have
1579
01:20:43.010 --> 01:20:44.680
to show up for court. It's not like we don't
1580
01:20:44.729 --> 01:20:47.100
know where they are while they're out on bail. Like
1581
01:20:47.300 --> 01:20:50.890
we can keep an eye on them. That idiots. And
1582
01:20:51.149 --> 01:20:54.329
so they let him out on bail. And then they
1583
01:20:54.369 --> 01:20:58.609
came out with this statement. And that's where it gets
1584
01:20:58.649 --> 01:21:03.409
a little interesting that emerging evidence indicates that, quote, Iran
1585
01:21:03.489 --> 01:21:06.189
played a part in what happened over the weekend at
1586
01:21:06.329 --> 01:21:09.840
RA Fairford, the military installation where we have all of
1587
01:21:09.909 --> 01:21:13.119
our stuff. but Burnham did not really like elaborate. And
1588
01:21:13.140 --> 01:21:16.890
he certainly didn't provide any details. Then the Iranians were like, nah,
1589
01:21:17.210 --> 01:21:19.770
we didn't have anything to do with that, which, you know,
1590
01:21:19.850 --> 01:21:21.390
I don't know whether you want to believe them or not.
1591
01:21:21.409 --> 01:21:26.979
It's no, it's no truth in this whole, everyone's lying.
1592
01:21:27.800 --> 01:21:34.420
Everyone's lying. So then the English, uh, what mi5 was
1593
01:21:34.579 --> 01:21:36.920
like well we picked up some chatter and we know
1594
01:21:36.939 --> 01:21:39.539
these guys came here from london they they're not like
1595
01:21:39.579 --> 01:21:42.479
they don't live out here so they came from london
1596
01:21:42.520 --> 01:21:45.060
they traveled out here but then it's still not clear
1597
01:21:45.100 --> 01:21:49.130
like why or what the deal is and then they
1598
01:21:49.310 --> 01:21:54.289
floated this idea that maybe they're they don't know that
1599
01:21:54.329 --> 01:21:59.090
they're working for iran like that they might have been
1600
01:21:59.109 --> 01:22:00.970
kind of put up to this at a sort of
1601
01:22:01.029 --> 01:22:06.369
petty crime level okay And then, you know, I read
1602
01:22:06.430 --> 01:22:10.510
further into this. There is this thing that's true that
1603
01:22:10.810 --> 01:22:14.229
does happen that like organized crime in particular, but often
1604
01:22:14.630 --> 01:22:18.369
terrorist groups also do this where they kind of like
1605
01:22:19.250 --> 01:22:22.050
they find people who want money and they're like, hey,
1606
01:22:22.109 --> 01:22:24.029
you know, just run me run this package for me.
1607
01:22:24.069 --> 01:22:26.350
I'll give you a thousand bucks, you know, and the
1608
01:22:26.369 --> 01:22:28.529
person isn't really, you know, they're in a desperate spot.
1609
01:22:28.550 --> 01:22:29.970
They'll take the money. They don't care. And they're not
1610
01:22:30.010 --> 01:22:33.800
really like involved in the cause. or anything like that,
1611
01:22:34.060 --> 01:22:36.539
but they end up linked to some terrorist organization as
1612
01:22:36.600 --> 01:22:38.979
a result of it. Maybe that's what's going on. We
1613
01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:41.590
don't really know, but it's a little iffy and it's
1614
01:22:41.670 --> 01:22:45.470
not great and it does kind of connect to the
1615
01:22:45.510 --> 01:22:49.489
thing that we talked about months ago when this kicked off,
1616
01:22:50.010 --> 01:22:53.729
which was the Iranians had the ability to cause trouble
1617
01:22:54.149 --> 01:22:58.439
outside of their borders and outside of their region pretty effectively.
1618
01:22:59.819 --> 01:23:02.569
And This could be one of those or it could
1619
01:23:02.630 --> 01:23:05.250
not be. But the fact that we're all reacting as
1620
01:23:05.329 --> 01:23:09.310
if it is means they've got us where they want us,
1621
01:23:10.289 --> 01:23:14.729
which is to say a little scared-ish. I don't know.
1622
01:23:14.909 --> 01:23:15.350
What do you think?
1623
01:23:19.380 --> 01:23:22.760
The details around this story are just very murky.
1624
01:23:25.199 --> 01:23:26.600
And it feels like there's.
1625
01:23:26.539 --> 01:23:28.640
More to this that hasn't dropped yet.
1626
01:23:29.430 --> 01:23:32.149
Yeah, that's kind of what I think. I think we're
1627
01:23:32.170 --> 01:23:36.310
about to find... But the question is, if Kash Patel
1628
01:23:36.350 --> 01:23:40.869
comes out and says, okay, FBI working with MI5 have this,
1629
01:23:40.949 --> 01:23:43.000
and here's this bunch of information, do you believe it?
1630
01:23:46.770 --> 01:23:50.770
I mean, it's... Do I.
1631
01:23:50.760 --> 01:23:54.000
Believe the organization that can't keep its fucking files safe?
1632
01:23:54.199 --> 01:23:57.899
I don't know. I don't know.
1633
01:23:58.039 --> 01:23:58.520
And has.
1634
01:23:59.479 --> 01:24:04.770
And has this same, you know, same set of folks also,
1635
01:24:04.829 --> 01:24:07.590
you know, done nefarious shit over the years, right?
1636
01:24:07.670 --> 01:24:07.909
Like.
1637
01:24:08.130 --> 01:24:08.649
I'm not even.
1638
01:24:08.810 --> 01:24:11.029
Like, yeah, it's one thing to say that, okay, we
1639
01:24:11.050 --> 01:24:12.909
don't trust the FBI because they set up Martin Luther
1640
01:24:12.930 --> 01:24:13.550
King or whatever.
1641
01:24:13.649 --> 01:24:14.170
Okay, fine.
1642
01:24:14.529 --> 01:24:17.750
But this is like a different kind of.
1643
01:24:18.350 --> 01:24:19.050
Yeah.
1644
01:24:19.329 --> 01:24:23.020
I don't trust the current FBI, not because I think
1645
01:24:23.029 --> 01:24:24.600
that they're the deep state and will.
1646
01:24:24.649 --> 01:24:25.979
No, I just find them incompetent.
1647
01:24:26.479 --> 01:24:27.380
They're just idiots.
1648
01:24:27.579 --> 01:24:27.819
Yeah.
1649
01:24:27.859 --> 01:24:27.960
Yeah.
1650
01:24:28.189 --> 01:24:32.029
And they fired all the smart people. And they're drunk
1651
01:24:32.189 --> 01:24:34.029
and or fucking chickens or whatever.
1652
01:24:36.250 --> 01:24:46.229
Drunk and or fucking chickens. Not this crazy phrase. Chickens
1653
01:24:46.310 --> 01:24:49.399
like tacos, right? Chicken out, right?
1654
01:24:49.909 --> 01:24:52.840
No, I meant like they're fucking the sheep or.
1655
01:24:52.819 --> 01:24:55.159
Fucking the chickens. That is not good.
1656
01:24:55.850 --> 01:24:59.729
Because cash patel said it's okay if you're into bestiality
1657
01:24:59.750 --> 01:25:01.949
you can still be an fbi agent.
1658
01:25:03.229 --> 01:25:04.789
Yikes that's the thing.
1659
01:25:04.590 --> 01:25:06.670
That happened there was a senate hearing.
1660
01:25:06.390 --> 01:25:10.609
About it yeah i don't know what to believe on
1661
01:25:10.649 --> 01:25:11.970
this um.
1662
01:25:13.890 --> 01:25:16.710
Do i i mean i do trust the british a
1663
01:25:17.029 --> 01:25:20.329
little more yeah.
1664
01:25:19.060 --> 01:25:21.039
I think mi5 says that i believe it but if
1665
01:25:21.560 --> 01:25:23.000
But then what's the connection?
1666
01:25:23.020 --> 01:25:25.470
Like, yeah, what is the connection? And then they only
1667
01:25:25.550 --> 01:25:28.989
found like, right. I mean, the gas, like the quantities
1668
01:25:29.010 --> 01:25:30.189
of gas is the biggest thing.
1669
01:25:30.210 --> 01:25:35.449
Yeah. They found, you know, a hundred gallons of fuel,
1670
01:25:36.229 --> 01:25:37.189
which is a lot.
1671
01:25:37.449 --> 01:25:38.720
That's a lot right now.
1672
01:25:39.119 --> 01:25:39.279
Yeah.
1673
01:25:39.300 --> 01:25:40.880
I was going to say, yeah, I.
1674
01:25:40.880 --> 01:25:45.640
Don't think I'd be doing that for fun, but it's
1675
01:25:45.699 --> 01:25:48.500
also not clear that they weren't doing it for like
1676
01:25:49.760 --> 01:25:54.869
farm reasons or, you know, fueling up a generator for
1677
01:25:54.890 --> 01:25:58.609
their campsite or something like it's not, it's just not clear.
1678
01:25:58.630 --> 01:26:02.850
There's nothing about this looks clear, but it does feel
1679
01:26:04.829 --> 01:26:09.989
in a heightened state of we're at war, which we are.
1680
01:26:10.520 --> 01:26:10.760
Yeah.
1681
01:26:11.619 --> 01:26:15.579
That everything looks like, Oh, is this the sabotage? Oh,
1682
01:26:15.640 --> 01:26:17.899
is this the sabotage? Is this the thing, you know,
1683
01:26:18.680 --> 01:26:21.699
and we haven't been, We kind of let our guard
1684
01:26:21.739 --> 01:26:23.880
down a little bit now that we're not in the–
1685
01:26:24.039 --> 01:26:28.229
like in the post-9-11 era, we thought everything was an attack, right?
1686
01:26:28.390 --> 01:26:29.649
Well, think about it, right?
1687
01:26:30.689 --> 01:26:35.189
Could it be similar to our Saudi friends who came
1688
01:26:35.270 --> 01:26:36.810
over here and all became pilots?
1689
01:26:38.260 --> 01:26:41.119
Are they becoming gardeners? Are they becoming farmers? Yeah.
1690
01:26:41.880 --> 01:26:44.920
As a way to cover their fertilizer. Yeah.
1691
01:26:45.720 --> 01:26:47.100
What do you need.
1692
01:26:46.960 --> 01:26:49.850
All this ammonium nitrate for? I'm growing fucking beans, man.
1693
01:26:49.859 --> 01:26:50.489
What do you want?
1694
01:26:50.609 --> 01:26:51.189
Fucking farm.
1695
01:26:51.750 --> 01:26:52.130
Yeah.
1696
01:26:52.930 --> 01:26:55.789
Soybeans. Shit. But I can't sell them.
1697
01:26:56.329 --> 01:27:00.149
Yeah. Right.
1698
01:27:00.609 --> 01:27:01.970
That is not funny, but it is.
1699
01:27:02.210 --> 01:27:02.890
It is funny.
1700
01:27:02.909 --> 01:27:05.699
All right.
1701
01:27:06.079 --> 01:27:07.140
Let's move on to something.
1702
01:27:07.159 --> 01:27:09.300
Guess why I can't sell them. Yeah.
1703
01:27:10.789 --> 01:27:15.729
Soybean adjacent Is that China came to visit Xi Jinping
1704
01:27:15.850 --> 01:27:19.390
was here in the city Fucking up my commute for
1705
01:27:19.409 --> 01:27:22.310
a whole week I can only imagine, yeah Yeah, I
1706
01:27:22.350 --> 01:27:25.619
gotta go through town Yeah, I can only imagine To
1707
01:27:25.640 --> 01:27:27.920
get from where I live to where I work And
1708
01:27:27.939 --> 01:27:34.659
look at them, they have matching ties So cute They're adorable.
1709
01:27:33.699 --> 01:27:34.920
This is so silly.
1710
01:27:36.600 --> 01:27:39.619
You've got Winnie the Pooh that kills people, and then
1711
01:27:39.659 --> 01:27:40.659
you've got.
1712
01:27:41.060 --> 01:27:42.529
That's a real movie now, too.
1713
01:27:43.289 --> 01:27:44.050
Yeah.
1714
01:27:44.069 --> 01:27:47.310
With the IP. Remember the IP?
1715
01:27:47.449 --> 01:27:48.270
It's available.
1716
01:27:48.449 --> 01:27:50.750
It's available. What was that Winnie the Pooh horror movie?
1717
01:27:51.069 --> 01:27:53.310
Yeah. That happened.
1718
01:27:54.270 --> 01:27:59.180
Winnie the Pooh. Blood and Honey. Yeah. There you go.
1719
01:28:00.359 --> 01:28:01.760
That's not one of your books, either.
1720
01:28:01.800 --> 01:28:03.399
That's a real thing. No, it's not. No, it's not.
1721
01:28:03.399 --> 01:28:04.039
3% on Rotten Tomatoes.
1722
01:28:06.729 --> 01:28:07.529
Three percent.
1723
01:28:08.149 --> 01:28:11.289
Yeah.
1724
01:28:12.050 --> 01:28:13.729
I think I could make a movie that gets better
1725
01:28:13.760 --> 01:28:17.979
score than that. All right. So, yeah, Xi Jinping was
1726
01:28:18.020 --> 01:28:23.420
here and. Trump spent most of the time like showing
1727
01:28:23.479 --> 01:28:28.159
him the granite outside the White House. He was like,
1728
01:28:28.180 --> 01:28:31.960
look at my helipad. And Xi Jinping was like, OK.
1729
01:28:32.199 --> 01:28:34.880
And Trump was like, that's that guy loves granite. He's
1730
01:28:34.920 --> 01:28:36.359
a real expert in stone.
1731
01:28:36.880 --> 01:28:39.449
And all of us are watching this on a weird-ass
1732
01:28:39.529 --> 01:28:40.880
stream we couldn't hear anything.
1733
01:28:41.500 --> 01:28:44.199
Right. Because the press corps couldn't get there because he
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01:28:44.239 --> 01:28:46.720
had banned all of the free press, which he said
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01:28:46.779 --> 01:28:51.279
out loud, which is just, you know, awesome. But somewhere
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01:28:51.319 --> 01:28:55.859
in the midst of this, while the president of arguably
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01:28:55.979 --> 01:29:01.600
our greatest adversary was visiting. And let's all be clear.
1738
01:29:02.729 --> 01:29:06.390
It's good that they're talking. This is a good thing.
1739
01:29:06.470 --> 01:29:08.850
It's a normal thing. We all saw it sort of
1740
01:29:08.909 --> 01:29:16.340
begin with Yeltsin and the summits between these rivals. Khrushchev
1741
01:29:16.380 --> 01:29:21.520
came here a bunch of times. This is good. But
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01:29:21.920 --> 01:29:26.529
while he's visiting... Apparently, President Trump asked Xi Jinping, the
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01:29:26.569 --> 01:29:29.630
leader of China, whether he would like to buy American weapons,
1744
01:29:30.149 --> 01:29:35.520
according to David Perdue, the American ambassador to China. It's
1745
01:29:35.560 --> 01:29:41.319
not like the reporters over or anything. Yeah. Quote, President
1746
01:29:41.359 --> 01:29:44.579
Trump continues to say, hey, we sell arms to other
1747
01:29:44.619 --> 01:29:48.319
people around the world, Perdue said on Fox News Sunday
1748
01:29:49.199 --> 01:29:52.579
while discussing the state visit. He actually asked President Xi,
1749
01:29:52.800 --> 01:29:56.760
would he like to buy some at one point? Now,
1750
01:29:57.939 --> 01:30:01.819
the White House tried to back that off and say, nah,
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01:30:01.859 --> 01:30:05.829
we didn't do that. But why is the ambassador to
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01:30:05.869 --> 01:30:15.949
China saying that thing if it didn't happen? And what
1753
01:30:15.989 --> 01:30:17.170
did he mean by that?
1754
01:30:18.789 --> 01:30:23.060
What he means is that We will not sell weapons
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01:30:23.140 --> 01:30:26.960
to Taiwan anymore. We will sell them to China to
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01:30:27.000 --> 01:30:31.079
allow them to, you know. To kill Taiwan. To kill Taiwan.
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01:30:31.100 --> 01:30:33.100
For a good trade deal. The greatest trade deal you've
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01:30:33.119 --> 01:30:33.579
ever seen.
1759
01:30:34.720 --> 01:30:37.680
While also putting tariffs on penguins, which he's about to
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01:30:37.720 --> 01:30:39.560
lose in court on this current round of tariffs, too,
1761
01:30:39.579 --> 01:30:43.779
because they're in the tariff court right now. So do
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01:30:43.819 --> 01:30:45.060
you think he actually said this?
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01:30:46.079 --> 01:30:46.479
Yes.
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01:30:46.500 --> 01:30:46.569
Yes.
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01:30:47.590 --> 01:30:49.329
Yeah. Do you think he meant it or do you
1766
01:30:49.369 --> 01:30:53.380
think it's just like how Trump glad hands everything? Exactly.
1767
01:30:53.460 --> 01:30:56.699
That's what it is. But it doesn't change how jarring
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01:30:56.739 --> 01:30:57.199
that is.
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01:30:57.760 --> 01:30:58.140
Yeah.
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01:30:58.359 --> 01:31:00.899
Yeah, it doesn't change that because obviously it's him sitting
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01:31:00.920 --> 01:31:04.060
around is like, have you ever thought about buying weapons
1772
01:31:04.079 --> 01:31:07.369
for us? You know, we have great weapons. We're almost
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01:31:07.409 --> 01:31:08.189
as good as yours.
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01:31:12.369 --> 01:31:12.810
There it is.
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01:31:12.850 --> 01:31:13.090
Yeah.
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01:31:14.050 --> 01:31:14.609
So he goes like this.
1777
01:31:14.649 --> 01:31:18.010
He goes, sit. You like that F-35 that we had
1778
01:31:18.029 --> 01:31:20.590
just flew over? We got a lot of F-35s. Many
1779
01:31:20.630 --> 01:31:22.510
people are saying it's the best.
1780
01:31:22.010 --> 01:31:24.770
F-35 in the world. You'd like an F-35. You know
1781
01:31:24.789 --> 01:31:27.289
you want an F-35. I'd sell you an F-35.
1782
01:31:27.449 --> 01:31:29.560
These guys won't let me sell you an F-35, but
1783
01:31:29.640 --> 01:31:31.960
I'd sell you an F-35. That's what happens, right?
1784
01:31:33.399 --> 01:31:33.659
Yeah.
1785
01:31:33.859 --> 01:31:37.739
I mean, I believe this full heartedly that this happened.
1786
01:31:38.479 --> 01:31:41.550
But it is incredibly jarring. And one of the things,
1787
01:31:42.210 --> 01:31:44.310
I'm not thinking about the thing that he said. I'm
1788
01:31:44.329 --> 01:31:51.050
thinking about the reaction to it. that imagine if the
1789
01:31:51.119 --> 01:31:55.569
president of the United States says to the president of
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01:31:55.810 --> 01:32:02.289
our greatest adversary, but also our favorite trading partner, hey,
1791
01:32:02.489 --> 01:32:05.029
would you like to buy some weapons? And he did
1792
01:32:05.069 --> 01:32:09.300
it while wearing a tan suit. Could you imagine the
1793
01:32:09.380 --> 01:32:15.000
reaction on cable news to wearing that kind of a
1794
01:32:15.020 --> 01:32:15.539
tan suit?
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01:32:17.579 --> 01:32:19.800
Impeachment. Yeah.
1796
01:32:20.430 --> 01:32:24.989
Immediately. Maybe he even put arugula on his pizza. Like,
1797
01:32:26.909 --> 01:32:31.630
where is the outrage there? You know? Why is it
1798
01:32:32.409 --> 01:32:39.399
that Obama putting arugula on his pizza was round-the-clock Fox
1799
01:32:39.449 --> 01:32:47.350
News coverage about this out-of-touch elitist coastal liberal and This
1800
01:32:47.989 --> 01:32:54.479
is an actual breach of national security. And they're like, yeah.
1801
01:32:55.199 --> 01:32:56.640
And they say it on their air.
1802
01:32:57.239 --> 01:32:58.420
And they're like, okay.
1803
01:33:00.140 --> 01:33:02.609
Officially, now we want to sell weapons to the Chinese.
1804
01:33:02.670 --> 01:33:05.050
And that's what we're sticking to.
1805
01:33:05.449 --> 01:33:07.109
I mean, that's just not moving the needle for a
1806
01:33:07.149 --> 01:33:09.449
majority of Americans. The only thing that's moving the needle
1807
01:33:09.470 --> 01:33:13.609
for a majority of Americans is what? Corruption costs a living.
1808
01:33:15.239 --> 01:33:20.680
Cost of living. The economy sucks. The economy sucks. People
1809
01:33:20.739 --> 01:33:22.979
aren't even caring about that because they can't put gas
1810
01:33:23.020 --> 01:33:25.369
in their car. It's too high to talk about that
1811
01:33:25.430 --> 01:33:33.289
shit anymore. It is crazy because I think if it
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was different economically for most Americans right now, they wouldn't
1813
01:33:38.569 --> 01:33:39.949
give a damn about the corruption.
1814
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Right?
1815
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Right.
1816
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They wouldn't care because we didn't care the last time,
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the proverbial.
1818
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We, right?
1819
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I don't even think they would care about these. If
1820
01:33:49.750 --> 01:33:54.500
these wars were not costing money like the way they
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01:33:54.560 --> 01:33:58.560
are and causing inflation, I think they would be the base.
1822
01:33:59.760 --> 01:34:02.000
The base might be upset because we're intervening and they
1823
01:34:02.039 --> 01:34:03.359
feel ways about that, but I.
1824
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Don't think people would really care.
1825
01:34:04.760 --> 01:34:06.159
They don't actually feel those ways.
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01:34:07.739 --> 01:34:09.810
I do believe that. I do believe that. I think
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that is something.
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As long as their costs are low and they're not
1829
01:34:14.819 --> 01:34:17.479
the ones who are going to do the fighting, they
1830
01:34:17.520 --> 01:34:17.899
don't care.
1831
01:34:18.479 --> 01:34:19.640
But we all know that.
1832
01:34:20.140 --> 01:34:25.789
I do think Americans understand over the last 20 years. what, like,
1833
01:34:25.989 --> 01:34:30.529
they're tapped into, like, these quagmire, like, issues that we under,
1834
01:34:30.729 --> 01:34:33.310
because we've watched it for all these years.
1835
01:34:33.350 --> 01:34:36.090
Like, that is something that has happened for a generation
1836
01:34:36.140 --> 01:34:36.479
at this point.
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01:34:36.520 --> 01:34:40.800
Yeah, but it's low down on the motivation to vote list. Yes, yeah.
1838
01:34:40.920 --> 01:34:42.439
But I think we do.
1839
01:34:42.319 --> 01:34:44.560
Know that it costs money, and we know that that
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01:34:44.659 --> 01:34:48.260
money is not being invested in America. I think everybody
1841
01:34:48.279 --> 01:34:50.899
can look at that and say, hey, we're spending money
1842
01:34:51.119 --> 01:34:54.560
on this war. We're not investing it here back in America.
1843
01:34:54.640 --> 01:34:57.539
And now- It depends who you ask. But the specific
1844
01:34:57.600 --> 01:35:02.239
war is costing, right? This is the reason that prices
1845
01:35:02.539 --> 01:35:04.380
are inflated amongst other things, right?
1846
01:35:04.399 --> 01:35:05.880
Yeah, so that's- But the war is that.
1847
01:35:06.300 --> 01:35:10.079
If your cost of living prices aren't going up, people
1848
01:35:10.239 --> 01:35:13.699
will let you do all the work you want. And
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01:35:13.880 --> 01:35:18.560
as far as whether it's investing in America- Last I checked,
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01:35:18.600 --> 01:35:21.310
Lockheed and Raytheon and Boeing were all American companies.
1851
01:35:21.550 --> 01:35:24.850
They are, but who sees that money? His base doesn't
1852
01:35:24.869 --> 01:35:25.149
see that money.
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01:35:25.170 --> 01:35:27.689
People who work there and they employ millions of people.
1854
01:35:28.529 --> 01:35:30.970
Yeah, but the people, his base doesn't see that money.
1855
01:35:30.989 --> 01:35:32.729
No, they don't know that either.
1856
01:35:33.569 --> 01:35:36.119
I think that's changing and I think we'll see that
1857
01:35:36.140 --> 01:35:38.340
in a few weeks. I think we're going to see
1858
01:35:38.359 --> 01:35:38.859
it in a few weeks.
1859
01:35:39.619 --> 01:35:42.880
When the U.S. government goes to war, it's effectively a
1860
01:35:42.939 --> 01:35:47.119
handout to the defense contractors. So- They're all going to
1861
01:35:47.140 --> 01:35:52.460
make money and get all their oversight removed. And they're
1862
01:35:52.500 --> 01:36:03.409
all fine with it. But I don't know why this
1863
01:36:03.710 --> 01:36:10.029
is a thing that doesn't shake more people up. This
1864
01:36:10.149 --> 01:36:12.529
one rattled me a bit more than I think it
1865
01:36:12.630 --> 01:36:14.729
should have. Because I know Trump just says a bunch
1866
01:36:14.770 --> 01:36:18.390
of random shit all the time. But this one is like, eh.
1867
01:36:18.409 --> 01:36:21.949
You know, it's sort of like the thing with Putin.
1868
01:36:21.970 --> 01:36:27.630
It's like, why are you, just today, just today, there
1869
01:36:27.670 --> 01:36:31.970
was money that Congress had appropriated specifically in the Ukraine
1870
01:36:32.390 --> 01:36:38.340
funding bill that was directed towards our European allied countries,
1871
01:36:38.420 --> 01:36:44.770
NATO members, that the Trump White House is redirecting to
1872
01:36:44.869 --> 01:36:50.789
South American right-wing dictators. And Congress put a hold on that,
1873
01:36:51.250 --> 01:36:53.949
saying you can't do that because this is what's appropriated,
1874
01:36:53.989 --> 01:36:56.880
which is the legal thing they can do. And the
1875
01:36:56.909 --> 01:37:00.779
White House just decided to ignore that hold and do
1876
01:37:00.840 --> 01:37:04.939
it anyway. They're gonna lose in court, but why are
1877
01:37:05.000 --> 01:37:10.239
they doing that? Why are they diverting money from Eastern
1878
01:37:10.359 --> 01:37:16.489
European allies to South and Central America, if not for
1879
01:37:16.550 --> 01:37:20.069
the only reason of giving Russia a little more space?
1880
01:37:20.170 --> 01:37:25.149
And why can't they just clearly say Russia's in the
1881
01:37:25.189 --> 01:37:27.600
wrong here? What is it that's doing that? And then
1882
01:37:27.640 --> 01:37:30.880
I'm thinking about, like, why is he so conciliatory towards
1883
01:37:30.920 --> 01:37:33.600
Xi Jinping? And what is that thing about? And what
1884
01:37:33.659 --> 01:37:36.279
is it? Is it that there's money on either side
1885
01:37:36.319 --> 01:37:38.460
of it? Or is it that he wants to be
1886
01:37:38.500 --> 01:37:40.079
them or he thinks there's a great power?
1887
01:37:40.100 --> 01:37:41.899
He respects them. He respects them.
1888
01:37:42.260 --> 01:37:44.159
He respects their style of leadership. But enough to sell
1889
01:37:44.199 --> 01:37:45.060
himself out?
1890
01:37:46.720 --> 01:37:49.979
I don't think Donald Trump... I mean, we know this.
1891
01:37:50.039 --> 01:37:52.590
Donald Trump does not care about America.
1892
01:37:53.729 --> 01:37:53.949
Right.
1893
01:37:54.210 --> 01:37:54.949
No, I know that.
1894
01:37:55.090 --> 01:37:58.210
I think he cares about Donald Trump. Does he not
1895
01:37:59.270 --> 01:38:06.710
feel that he is supplicating to these guys or rolling
1896
01:38:06.829 --> 01:38:08.630
over for them or being their.
1897
01:38:11.750 --> 01:38:13.489
Bottom bitch, for lack of a better word.
1898
01:38:14.569 --> 01:38:19.119
I mean, if he's able, like, right, if he is
1899
01:38:19.220 --> 01:38:26.130
able to be, like, soft on Taiwan, right, and able to.
1900
01:38:26.489 --> 01:38:30.590
Leverage that towards getting any type of deal. whether it's
1901
01:38:30.630 --> 01:38:36.609
a trade deal, who knows what it might be. Whatever
1902
01:38:36.689 --> 01:38:39.380
deal he can work with any of these leaders, he's
1903
01:38:39.439 --> 01:38:40.220
going to do that.
1904
01:38:40.260 --> 01:38:41.560
He'll sell out anyone.
1905
01:38:44.069 --> 01:38:46.439
And I think why you divert that money to South
1906
01:38:46.479 --> 01:38:49.859
America is that There's a whole philosophy right now, right?
1907
01:38:49.899 --> 01:38:52.979
Around like, oh, controlling our sphere, right?
1908
01:38:53.000 --> 01:38:55.920
Yeah, right. No, I understand that. It's a great power
1909
01:38:56.220 --> 01:39:01.779
sort of thing. He's reestablishing a colonial imperial empire sort
1910
01:39:01.819 --> 01:39:02.430
of thing. I get that.
1911
01:39:02.550 --> 01:39:06.949
And it's broken, right? Because I think for me and you,
1912
01:39:07.109 --> 01:39:12.010
we have understood this and grown and learned to operate
1913
01:39:12.229 --> 01:39:17.189
in this American system that has been one way since post-war, right?
1914
01:39:18.430 --> 01:39:22.369
it's just been one way right and it's hey we
1915
01:39:22.409 --> 01:39:25.750
are going to put on the veneer of democracy and
1916
01:39:25.770 --> 01:39:27.390
we're going to push that out there.
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01:39:27.170 --> 01:39:29.229
We're going to do some shady shit.
1918
01:39:29.090 --> 01:39:32.479
On the side but we're still going to put forward
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01:39:32.880 --> 01:39:37.600
this like front and we're going to believe that and
1920
01:39:37.640 --> 01:39:41.340
again we'll go out and we'll be the world police
1921
01:39:41.399 --> 01:39:45.220
and we will try to spread democracy and that's not
1922
01:39:45.760 --> 01:39:50.029
true anymore and I think and apple bomb writes about
1923
01:39:50.050 --> 01:39:52.789
this right and autocracy inc is about oh there's no
1924
01:39:52.810 --> 01:39:56.229
more there's ideologies that like right when we come out
1925
01:39:56.270 --> 01:39:58.770
of like the cold uh cold war yeah it's more
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01:39:58.829 --> 01:39:59.930
it's all about.
1927
01:39:59.909 --> 01:40:03.090
Money it's not capitalist versus communist or anything no no
1928
01:40:03.109 --> 01:40:06.310
that shit is dead it's grift it's like how like
1929
01:40:06.529 --> 01:40:10.310
we are running for these elected offices and we see
1930
01:40:10.350 --> 01:40:12.800
that right with putin i mean you could even say
1931
01:40:12.840 --> 01:40:16.100
that with uh she's in pink right They have run
1932
01:40:16.199 --> 01:40:18.529
to be elected to then now.
1933
01:40:18.329 --> 01:40:23.430
Dictate money in their countries. And I mean, I think
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01:40:23.529 --> 01:40:28.449
China probably does a better job of... They're almost doing
1935
01:40:28.489 --> 01:40:34.829
what we used to do, right? They have a facade of, oh,
1936
01:40:34.850 --> 01:40:37.850
we're investing in the world and we're investing in these
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01:40:37.909 --> 01:40:39.680
countries and we're doing a bunch of shit.
1938
01:40:40.210 --> 01:40:43.029
Shady shit on the side, right? Whether it's in our
1939
01:40:43.069 --> 01:40:45.250
own country or in the countries that we are in.
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01:40:45.869 --> 01:40:46.850
It's almost weird.
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01:40:47.109 --> 01:40:52.899
It's a good parallel. China is kind of running in
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01:40:52.939 --> 01:40:55.659
the same way we set up a world order post-war
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01:40:55.920 --> 01:40:59.699
and sort of dictated terms while also taking whatever we
1944
01:40:59.760 --> 01:41:06.130
wanted from those countries that we needed it from. And
1945
01:41:06.369 --> 01:41:10.170
as you mentioned, doing all of this extra stuff. China
1946
01:41:10.189 --> 01:41:13.109
with their belt and road and their silk rope thing
1947
01:41:13.149 --> 01:41:15.539
and all this stuff that they're doing here, they're kind
1948
01:41:15.560 --> 01:41:19.539
of doing that same thing. They've got China's version of USAID.
1949
01:41:19.659 --> 01:41:22.399
It does come with conditions the same way ours came
1950
01:41:22.420 --> 01:41:26.140
with conditions, even if we didn't say that explicitly. And
1951
01:41:26.180 --> 01:41:29.439
they're trying to create a new world order where they're
1952
01:41:29.479 --> 01:41:34.810
the ones, the hegemon, the dictator of way of doing things,
1953
01:41:35.090 --> 01:41:37.989
which the way it's going to come out isn't going
1954
01:41:38.010 --> 01:41:42.550
to look too bad. drastically different from right the way
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01:41:42.590 --> 01:41:46.270
that we were running because china above all seeks stability
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01:41:46.350 --> 01:41:49.069
they're always yes all they ever talk about is like
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01:41:49.289 --> 01:41:51.029
you can do whatever you want just just keep the
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01:41:51.090 --> 01:41:53.569
markets open and keep the money flowing like it's all
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01:41:53.649 --> 01:41:57.310
stability so like they're that and that was kind of
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01:41:57.350 --> 01:42:01.170
the american position for the 50s and 60s and 70s
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01:42:01.229 --> 01:42:01.609
it's like.
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But democracy got in the way democracy got.
1963
01:42:04.140 --> 01:42:07.090
In the way right is that what happened You want
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01:42:07.109 --> 01:42:11.470
to kill some Sandinistas in Nicaragua? Here's some weapons. You know,
1965
01:42:11.510 --> 01:42:14.529
like just keep the fucking markets open. We don't care
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01:42:14.560 --> 01:42:18.300
if you're right-wing dictators. We don't care if you're leftist dictators.
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01:42:18.560 --> 01:42:22.779
Just keep the money flowing. So yeah, that part might
1968
01:42:22.819 --> 01:42:29.779
be the same. But I just, I think, I think
1969
01:42:30.000 --> 01:42:36.170
that this feels, it feels different. It feels concerning.
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01:42:36.970 --> 01:42:40.689
Should be concerned because you want china dictating the world
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01:42:40.850 --> 01:42:43.090
order right and i mean and some might say do
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you want america dictating the world order right like i
1973
01:42:46.890 --> 01:42:51.010
did someone i could see many arguments against this people.
1974
01:42:50.689 --> 01:42:53.180
Say that but they say that from a position of
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of the ability to.
1976
01:42:54.760 --> 01:42:57.680
Say it without getting thrown in a gulag exactly they
1977
01:42:57.739 --> 01:42:59.960
say it from a position of knowing that they can
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01:43:00.020 --> 01:43:02.739
vote and they say it from a position of relative
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01:43:02.779 --> 01:43:06.010
comfort the situation in china right now is that the
1980
01:43:06.069 --> 01:43:08.649
wealth gap is growing at a rate faster than it
1981
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is even here.
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And that's unstable. And in a country where there aren't
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01:43:13.810 --> 01:43:17.750
elections and there isn't some way for people to at
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least feel like they have a recourse for that, that
1985
01:43:21.369 --> 01:43:25.689
kind of instability, especially as the dominant force in a
1986
01:43:25.729 --> 01:43:29.840
new world order, should that be the case, feels very unstable.
1987
01:43:31.220 --> 01:43:36.319
And I don't like that if the hegemon is, themselves
1988
01:43:36.420 --> 01:43:39.460
sitting on a powder keg and has no way to
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01:43:39.520 --> 01:43:42.640
manage that whereas at least the voters of the american
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01:43:42.659 --> 01:43:48.850
uh domination had some check on that kind of instability
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01:43:48.970 --> 01:43:52.069
if it ever arose i think that's trying to point
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01:43:52.090 --> 01:43:53.470
to the i'm trying to point to.
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Us and be like look what democracy gets you look
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01:43:56.550 --> 01:43:58.479
yeah no they can do that all they want what
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01:43:58.489 --> 01:44:01.979
i'm saying is that that american voters weren't about to
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01:44:02.199 --> 01:44:06.470
to like riot in the streets and and Pitchforks and
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all that stuff.
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Whereas an unstable China with a big enough wealth gap
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01:44:13.869 --> 01:44:18.909
and no freedom of expression, no relief valve becomes a problem.
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01:44:20.189 --> 01:44:23.840
And if you thought Tiananmen was bad, which it was,
2001
01:44:24.560 --> 01:44:27.479
imagine that now where there's a billion more people than
2002
01:44:27.500 --> 01:44:31.920
there were and where they've got inner connectivity.
2003
01:44:32.399 --> 01:44:35.100
Surveillance state there is like different.
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01:44:35.630 --> 01:44:39.069
Yeah, but that also requires paying those guys to do
2005
01:44:39.100 --> 01:44:43.479
the surveillance. Yeah. And there gets to be a point.
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01:44:44.239 --> 01:44:47.279
You know, the apparatus only works if there's the people
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01:44:47.319 --> 01:44:51.819
there to run it. I'm just saying. Like, you watch
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01:44:51.859 --> 01:44:56.159
this happen with the Soviets. They were all bribable. All
2009
01:44:56.199 --> 01:44:59.449
the KGB were bribable. All the secret police in China
2010
01:44:59.470 --> 01:45:03.350
are bribable. Everybody's bribable in that kind of a society.
2011
01:45:03.729 --> 01:45:08.510
So... Just saying, watch out, watch.
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This space as Matt, I would say.
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All right.
2014
01:45:12.619 --> 01:45:14.680
We could have a break, but we're not going to. So,
2015
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cause we want to hit Tez's time that he proposed.
2016
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We're going to see what we did there.
2017
01:45:18.460 --> 01:45:21.649
All right. This one's called not man. Don't do that.
2018
01:45:22.470 --> 01:45:25.189
We alluded to this earlier that we were all watching
2019
01:45:25.329 --> 01:45:27.770
football and all of a sudden we saw this ad
2020
01:45:29.590 --> 01:45:33.569
that was a Trump. campaign ad from 2024 and then
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01:45:34.409 --> 01:45:35.050
what would.
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Jesus do give me that bring that.
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01:45:36.590 --> 01:45:40.810
Back yeah i'd rather those oh here brian's got the
2024
01:45:40.899 --> 01:45:42.819
ad let's let's watch.
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01:45:43.300 --> 01:45:45.720
It's a little bit just it's just a tail end
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01:45:46.079 --> 01:45:47.199
The final battle.
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Take a listen.
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We will cast out the communists, Marxists, and fascists.
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We will throw off the sick political class that hates
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01:45:55.260 --> 01:45:55.920
our country.
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01:45:56.119 --> 01:45:59.220
We will rout the fake news media, and we will
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01:45:59.260 --> 01:46:02.380
liberate America from these villains.
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Once and for all.
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That's the part that got me.
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01:46:07.420 --> 01:46:08.199
Yeah. That part.
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Pay for Biden, United States government.
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01:46:12.010 --> 01:46:13.909
You know presidents have wanted to do this forever. You
2038
01:46:13.930 --> 01:46:16.930
know presidents have wanted to do this forever. There's a
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01:46:16.989 --> 01:46:21.510
law against it. That's why they don't. Any president who's
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01:46:21.550 --> 01:46:25.140
been in office has wanted to go and tout all
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01:46:25.149 --> 01:46:25.909
of their success.
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01:46:26.149 --> 01:46:27.720
And this isn't even touting their success.
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01:46:27.760 --> 01:46:30.060
That's why they do it with the stupid PACs. They
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01:46:30.539 --> 01:46:33.619
have the ability to do that. They're not doing it
2045
01:46:33.640 --> 01:46:35.899
with the taxpayer money. That's what you're not allowed to.
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01:46:35.880 --> 01:46:36.840
Do, number one.
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01:46:36.859 --> 01:46:42.300
Number two, look, in 1984, for For those who don't know,
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01:46:42.920 --> 01:46:46.449
there is in the I haven't seen the movie or
2049
01:46:46.510 --> 01:46:48.569
the recent movie. I saw the one from a million
2050
01:46:48.590 --> 01:46:52.090
years ago. But in the book, they talk about the
2051
01:46:52.149 --> 01:46:54.890
two minutes of hate, the two minute hate that happens
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01:46:54.970 --> 01:46:58.449
every day where everybody stands up in front of this screen,
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01:46:58.810 --> 01:47:03.350
the telescreen, as it's called, and it watches them. But
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01:47:03.390 --> 01:47:07.279
they watch it and like get jazzed up and angry at.
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01:47:07.909 --> 01:47:12.930
The communists, the villains, the Marxists, the immigrants, the whatever.
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01:47:13.550 --> 01:47:15.069
And it changes.
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01:47:15.430 --> 01:47:19.880
Throughout the book, the people, the group that they're supposed
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01:47:19.899 --> 01:47:23.199
to hate changes. And then they say, no, we've always
2059
01:47:23.220 --> 01:47:26.079
been mad at those people. And it's all fine. And
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01:47:27.239 --> 01:47:30.880
every day, several times a day, they have this thing
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01:47:30.920 --> 01:47:31.899
where the whole country.
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01:47:31.680 --> 01:47:32.300
Kind of stops.
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01:47:32.899 --> 01:47:35.909
And they yell at this TV screen and get all
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01:47:36.369 --> 01:47:40.720
frothed up about it. That's what that is. That's what
2065
01:47:40.739 --> 01:47:44.199
that looks like. I know Trump hasn't read because he doesn't,
2066
01:47:44.260 --> 01:47:47.210
but like if Natalie printed that out, he'd be like,
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01:47:47.250 --> 01:47:48.930
oh yeah, that's what I want to do. And then
2068
01:47:49.430 --> 01:47:54.510
he did it with our money. Can we sue somebody
2069
01:47:54.550 --> 01:47:57.529
about that? What the fuck, man? Can't take my money
2070
01:47:57.569 --> 01:48:03.859
to do that shit. No, I don't know what the, like, yeah,
2071
01:48:04.800 --> 01:48:09.329
but like I've been harmed. I've got standing. That's my money.
2072
01:48:12.020 --> 01:48:15.579
And where did that money, like, where did it actually
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01:48:15.640 --> 01:48:16.340
come from?
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01:48:16.520 --> 01:48:17.770
Oh, great question.
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01:48:17.789 --> 01:48:18.970
That's the question, right?
2076
01:48:19.529 --> 01:48:19.970
It came from.
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01:48:20.189 --> 01:48:20.800
CPB.
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01:48:22.340 --> 01:48:26.479
Or CBP, sorry. So Customs and Border Patrol is the
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01:48:26.579 --> 01:48:31.359
one who paid for that. And they're claiming that it's
2080
01:48:31.920 --> 01:48:36.699
like an educational PSA. Really?
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01:48:36.720 --> 01:48:36.789
Yes.
2082
01:48:39.159 --> 01:48:43.979
The unusual ads is identical to the Trump campaign ad
2083
01:48:44.109 --> 01:48:46.989
include disclaimers stating that they were paid for by the U.S. government.
2084
01:48:47.010 --> 01:48:50.350
The administration's apparent use of taxpayer money to produce ads
2085
01:48:50.369 --> 01:48:55.649
that resemble campaign advertisements has drawn bipartisan criticism. Quote, it's
2086
01:48:55.710 --> 01:48:58.710
a great message. I like the message, said Senate Majority
2087
01:48:58.750 --> 01:49:01.350
Leader John Thune, but it shouldn't be paid for with
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01:49:01.369 --> 01:49:04.460
taxpayer dollars. That's that's their guy.
2089
01:49:04.899 --> 01:49:06.819
I think I think you control that, buddy.
2090
01:49:08.329 --> 01:49:11.329
Except that he doesn't because this is money that was allocated.
2091
01:49:11.350 --> 01:49:12.729
It's already allocated.
2092
01:49:13.109 --> 01:49:16.729
It was appropriated. The political ad tracking firm Ad Impact
2093
01:49:16.810 --> 01:49:19.720
estimated that the administration spent more than $ 1. 7 million on
2094
01:49:19.760 --> 01:49:24.899
the ad. It was done by DHS and Customs and
2095
01:49:24.939 --> 01:49:29.640
Border Patrol. It's their appropriation. They spent their money out
2096
01:49:29.659 --> 01:49:34.060
of their budget to do this. Sure, there is an
2097
01:49:34.140 --> 01:49:36.579
argument that can be made and probably will be made
2098
01:49:36.619 --> 01:49:38.859
in court should the Democrats take control of Congress in
2099
01:49:38.899 --> 01:49:43.399
particular that Congress has standing, right? They can easily sue
2100
01:49:43.420 --> 01:49:45.390
because that's not what they appropriate the money for. And
2101
01:49:45.430 --> 01:49:49.590
they can force the agency to pay it back or something,
2102
01:49:49.630 --> 01:49:50.670
but the bell's already rung.
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01:49:50.689 --> 01:49:58.029
I find that ad to actually do more damage to
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01:49:58.430 --> 01:50:01.109
to Republicans in the midterm than anything else.
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01:50:01.350 --> 01:50:04.630
I'm not sure than anything else. Gas prices, I think,
2106
01:50:04.670 --> 01:50:06.470
are the most.
2107
01:50:07.630 --> 01:50:12.270
Damaging. Think about how many people saw that, right? Yeah.
2108
01:50:12.329 --> 01:50:14.520
I think there's millions of people saw that.
2109
01:50:14.779 --> 01:50:15.939
Millions of people saw that.
2110
01:50:16.600 --> 01:50:21.279
And if you're a Trump voter, right, specifically if you are,
2111
01:50:21.300 --> 01:50:22.340
what are they called?
2112
01:50:22.359 --> 01:50:24.560
The low propensity voters, which I find to be a
2113
01:50:24.579 --> 01:50:25.680
terrible fucking name. Yeah.
2114
01:50:26.500 --> 01:50:32.060
So we need to change that. But specifically them, specifically
2115
01:50:32.239 --> 01:50:33.189
any independents.
2116
01:50:33.670 --> 01:50:35.050
Right. Which you say don't exist.
2117
01:50:35.109 --> 01:50:35.329
Right.
2118
01:50:35.350 --> 01:50:36.369
But clearly they do.
2119
01:50:38.069 --> 01:50:43.109
That is a frustrating thing to see when, to your point, gas.
2120
01:50:43.210 --> 01:50:45.949
And I think what I mean, like that kind of
2121
01:50:46.029 --> 01:50:49.149
does them in because it makes you sit there as
2122
01:50:49.229 --> 01:50:53.729
you might be. grilling right or having wings or food
2123
01:50:53.770 --> 01:50:57.800
that is now triple quadruple of what it costs right
2124
01:50:57.819 --> 01:51:01.979
like even four or five years ago um if you
2125
01:51:02.039 --> 01:51:06.119
obviously went out and you had to drive to like
2126
01:51:06.159 --> 01:51:08.840
a bar or something like and you see that and
2127
01:51:08.859 --> 01:51:11.119
then you're like well wait a minute what the fuck
2128
01:51:11.140 --> 01:51:13.649
does that have to do with anything and i do
2129
01:51:13.689 --> 01:51:15.890
think people are getting to that point where they're like
2130
01:51:16.149 --> 01:51:21.630
yo sir You told us that we trusted you to
2131
01:51:21.689 --> 01:51:24.029
come back in the office because we thought you were
2132
01:51:24.050 --> 01:51:29.630
going to bring back the economy of 2018, 2019. which
2133
01:51:29.689 --> 01:51:32.090
is maddening because, like, did y'all not.
2134
01:51:31.989 --> 01:51:33.640
Go through the freaking COVID either?
2135
01:51:33.859 --> 01:51:34.899
Like, no one's paying attention.
2136
01:51:34.920 --> 01:51:37.350
Like, how would you think that they're going to.
2137
01:51:37.920 --> 01:51:44.859
And when we're tracking towards not what we had in 2018, 2019,
2138
01:51:44.859 --> 01:51:49.569
but after having severe inflation after COVID, we're trending in
2139
01:51:49.609 --> 01:51:55.170
the right direction. And you didn't trust Joe Biden, right, to...
2140
01:51:56.609 --> 01:52:00.590
At least keep things moving in the right direction. Just
2141
01:52:00.649 --> 01:52:01.930
stay steady, Eddie.
2142
01:52:01.989 --> 01:52:05.529
Just steady. Like, hey, this is crazy. You didn't trust that.
2143
01:52:06.829 --> 01:52:11.470
You didn't trust Kamala Harris to.
2144
01:52:11.390 --> 01:52:12.369
Do this either.
2145
01:52:13.069 --> 01:52:18.069
You allowed those ads like, she's for they and I'm
2146
01:52:18.130 --> 01:52:20.289
for you to really trick you.
2147
01:52:20.310 --> 01:52:21.810
I mean, those are genius ads. I don't care what
2148
01:52:21.829 --> 01:52:22.229
anybody says.
2149
01:52:22.310 --> 01:52:24.319
It's the worst way. In the worst way, their genes
2150
01:52:24.340 --> 01:52:26.289
that you did all you did all this.
2151
01:52:26.529 --> 01:52:30.649
Right. And you did trick these people again. Right.
2152
01:52:31.109 --> 01:52:33.369
You people made a bet and they said, well, you
2153
01:52:33.409 --> 01:52:38.220
know what? We'll bet on you change this. And I
2154
01:52:38.439 --> 01:52:42.260
like it is it is insane. And I understand why
2155
01:52:42.319 --> 01:52:44.829
people want to cast these people aside. But I do
2156
01:52:44.869 --> 01:52:48.310
think those same individuals right now are looking at this
2157
01:52:48.390 --> 01:52:50.439
and they're saying enough is enough.
2158
01:52:50.680 --> 01:52:51.850
These are lies.
2159
01:52:51.939 --> 01:52:55.840
And everything I listen to, all I hear is voters
2160
01:52:56.479 --> 01:52:59.579
just with their fucking tails between their legs being like.
2161
01:53:00.720 --> 01:53:02.600
shit i was listening to a guy the other day
2162
01:53:02.619 --> 01:53:04.380
he said like where was he at he was he
2163
01:53:04.399 --> 01:53:07.659
was he laid fiber he was a he laid fiber
2164
01:53:07.779 --> 01:53:10.880
optics in i want to say in texas somewhere and
2165
01:53:10.920 --> 01:53:13.569
he was rallying he was going off in a uh
2166
01:53:14.090 --> 01:53:16.670
in a meeting about data centers and they were saying
2167
01:53:16.689 --> 01:53:18.630
they were going to be and he knew so much
2168
01:53:18.689 --> 01:53:20.850
about laying fiber and he's like no i can see
2169
01:53:20.869 --> 01:53:23.170
what you're doing i can see the construction workers no
2170
01:53:23.189 --> 01:53:24.899
you clearly are still going ahead and he's like at
2171
01:53:24.939 --> 01:53:27.100
the end he was like We're going to do something
2172
01:53:27.119 --> 01:53:27.479
about this.
2173
01:53:27.550 --> 01:53:29.909
I don't care if that means voting Democrat. And I
2174
01:53:29.949 --> 01:53:33.770
found that to be, oh, okay. I think there are
2175
01:53:33.789 --> 01:53:34.810
more people like that.
2176
01:53:34.890 --> 01:53:37.090
And I think this ad is driving that.
2177
01:53:37.229 --> 01:53:38.489
It's going to continue to drive that.
2178
01:53:38.689 --> 01:53:43.000
Let's put a few more ticks in this. One, recent
2179
01:53:43.039 --> 01:53:46.800
polling shows that Trump has got something like 20% approval
2180
01:53:46.880 --> 01:53:50.319
on the economy. Republicans writ large. Let me change that.
2181
01:53:52.140 --> 01:53:56.100
that Republicans poll at 20% on who do you trust
2182
01:53:56.119 --> 01:53:59.380
to run the economy. That's drastic. And that's never been
2183
01:53:59.420 --> 01:54:02.510
the case, right? People always air towards the Republicans as
2184
01:54:02.550 --> 01:54:07.850
being the ones for the economy. Then also today is
2185
01:54:08.029 --> 01:54:10.510
October 1st, which is the beginning of the fiscal year,
2186
01:54:10.829 --> 01:54:14.109
which is also when some of these provisions from the
2187
01:54:14.369 --> 01:54:17.329
one big, beautiful bill act, which is a weird thing
2188
01:54:17.350 --> 01:54:22.770
to have to say, go into effect. Namely, The Medicaid
2189
01:54:23.569 --> 01:54:28.600
rules where people who would otherwise qualify, who do legally,
2190
01:54:28.739 --> 01:54:32.100
did legally qualify, no longer qualify. We're about to see millions,
2191
01:54:33.020 --> 01:54:36.449
maybe more than 10 million people lose their insurance immediately.
2192
01:54:37.329 --> 01:54:42.750
And food stamps. Food stamps now, the cost of administering
2193
01:54:42.789 --> 01:54:44.970
the food stamp program and some of the cost of
2194
01:54:44.989 --> 01:54:48.479
the actual benefits themselves have now been triple or quadrupled
2195
01:54:48.520 --> 01:54:51.460
to the state's. who simply do not have the money
2196
01:54:51.500 --> 01:54:53.520
to do that. They are going to cut benefits. Millions
2197
01:54:53.560 --> 01:54:56.390
of people are going to lose their food assistance. Right
2198
01:54:56.449 --> 01:54:59.149
before a midterm election, it seems like a risky thing
2199
01:54:59.189 --> 01:55:05.350
to do. And it's politically ridiculous. So people are going
2200
01:55:05.369 --> 01:55:07.630
to get kicked off their health care right now. People
2201
01:55:07.689 --> 01:55:10.220
are going to lose their food stamps right now. And
2202
01:55:10.279 --> 01:55:12.279
Trump is out here telling everybody that, no, in fact,
2203
01:55:12.300 --> 01:55:14.500
the economy is doing great when they can see with
2204
01:55:14.520 --> 01:55:17.159
their own two eyes that it is not. And now
2205
01:55:17.220 --> 01:55:20.640
he's using their money, their precious $ 1. 7 million. You know
2206
01:55:20.659 --> 01:55:22.520
how many people you could feed with $ 1.
2207
01:55:22.079 --> 01:55:22.539
7 million?
2208
01:55:22.760 --> 01:55:28.159
A lot. Housing is through the roof. The interest rates
2209
01:55:28.420 --> 01:55:30.939
cross 7% on a mortgage.
2210
01:55:30.960 --> 01:55:32.939
The bond market is very close.
2211
01:55:32.960 --> 01:55:35.859
The bond market is, let's not turn into marketplace, but
2212
01:55:35.899 --> 01:55:41.239
it's turned into a crazy place. The yields are.
2213
01:55:41.279 --> 01:55:42.079
Out of control.
2214
01:55:42.239 --> 01:55:43.770
Stop watching football.
2215
01:55:46.840 --> 01:55:52.229
Focus. Oh, I'm sorry. Brian's really excited about bond yields.
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01:55:52.609 --> 01:55:52.989
Where?
2217
01:55:54.170 --> 01:55:58.989
Where? Where are the bond yields this good? The government
2218
01:55:59.029 --> 01:56:03.020
can't afford to borrow money anymore. The number one expenditure
2219
01:56:03.039 --> 01:56:07.539
above defense is servicing the US debt.
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01:56:07.779 --> 01:56:08.159
Yeah.
2221
01:56:10.220 --> 01:56:14.119
And Trump's out there with Vance. Going to red states.
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01:56:14.159 --> 01:56:16.199
Talking about give us another chance. What do you mean
2223
01:56:16.380 --> 01:56:22.920
another chance? You're so fired. You're so fucking fired. I
2224
01:56:24.079 --> 01:56:29.199
don't know. The thing with the love. The artist. Whose
2225
01:56:29.279 --> 01:56:31.880
song they used. Sent a cease and desist. And got
2226
01:56:31.899 --> 01:56:35.920
them to stop using the music. That was creepy as fuck.
2227
01:56:37.020 --> 01:56:39.600
It very much. Felt like.
2228
01:56:41.260 --> 01:56:41.840
Dictator.
2229
01:56:44.119 --> 01:56:46.840
Propaganda and it's paid for by the government and put
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01:56:46.920 --> 01:56:49.729
on the tv like not the networks can't refuse it
2231
01:56:50.779 --> 01:56:55.229
yeah they can not really no they can if.
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01:56:55.189 --> 01:56:58.189
They fox could have fox could have not i mean.
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01:56:58.250 --> 01:57:02.229
Mind you it depends what they're paying for if they're
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01:57:02.270 --> 01:57:05.770
paying for these psas or these things you know through these.
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01:57:05.609 --> 01:57:08.689
They can deny this they don't have to air it
2236
01:57:08.890 --> 01:57:09.569
and you're.
2237
01:57:09.329 --> 01:57:12.710
Not sure about that huh I'm not sure about that.
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01:57:12.729 --> 01:57:17.130
There's certain categories of ads because the way the FCC
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01:57:17.170 --> 01:57:19.590
has this set up is that these guys have access
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01:57:19.609 --> 01:57:22.289
to the public airwaves as long as they are doing
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01:57:22.329 --> 01:57:25.020
things in the public interest and reporting news. That's why
2242
01:57:25.029 --> 01:57:27.739
you have all this weird programming on Sunday nights that
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01:57:28.020 --> 01:57:29.439
nobody watches.
2244
01:57:30.359 --> 01:57:31.159
Keep this in mind.
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01:57:31.640 --> 01:57:35.020
Things have completely changed in the last decade.
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01:57:35.699 --> 01:57:36.149
You know it.
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01:57:36.279 --> 01:57:36.600
I know it.
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01:57:36.600 --> 01:57:37.140
We all know it.
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01:57:37.640 --> 01:57:43.680
The thing here is like Pretty much. These ads, even
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01:57:43.699 --> 01:57:46.779
though they quote-unquote paid for it, they really didn't have
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01:57:46.819 --> 01:57:47.409
to accept it.
2252
01:57:47.779 --> 01:57:49.039
They really didn't have to air it.
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01:57:50.260 --> 01:57:53.520
It's pretty much the network's choice. They get a lot
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01:57:53.649 --> 01:57:59.590
of either PSA ads, let alone because, keep this in mind,
2255
01:57:59.630 --> 01:58:02.170
remember back in the day when the NFL used to
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01:58:02.609 --> 01:58:06.069
show the YMCA and those.
2257
01:58:05.930 --> 01:58:06.569
Type of videos?
2258
01:58:06.970 --> 01:58:10.890
Those were PSA, proper PSA videos because that's what the time,
2259
01:58:11.489 --> 01:58:13.569
they were just trying to put themselves out there.
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01:58:14.310 --> 01:58:15.210
Not just the NFL.
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01:58:15.310 --> 01:58:18.810
I understand that.
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01:58:18.899 --> 01:58:20.189
This year, hold on a second.
2263
01:58:20.569 --> 01:58:25.979
This year, though, this is a legit political ad that is.
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01:58:26.000 --> 01:58:27.220
Paid for by us.
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01:58:29.270 --> 01:58:30.170
We never approved.
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01:58:31.029 --> 01:58:34.109
The networks do not have to play those things. And
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01:58:34.189 --> 01:58:36.609
let alone, they did not have to accept.
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01:58:37.670 --> 01:58:37.869
It.
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01:58:37.909 --> 01:58:40.149
They are not forced to play any PSA ads.
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01:58:40.520 --> 01:58:43.420
All right. So when you can convince Fox to stand
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01:58:43.479 --> 01:58:45.619
up to the White House, then let me know about it.
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01:58:47.380 --> 01:58:50.039
They did with the press pool. That's true.
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01:58:50.060 --> 01:58:52.380
Let's be clear. That's Fox News, which is not Fox News.
2274
01:58:55.710 --> 01:58:59.329
Like Mainline Fox, which is now owned by Disney. So
2275
01:58:59.569 --> 01:59:02.170
maybe there is some hope there. I don't know. We
2276
01:59:02.189 --> 01:59:05.569
got to trust the mouse to fight the government. Where
2277
01:59:05.590 --> 01:59:07.670
are we at with this? What are we doing?
2278
01:59:07.689 --> 01:59:09.069
And also own the Lakers.
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01:59:10.020 --> 01:59:13.880
That's right. Which will, I'm sure, end up on ESPN
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01:59:13.960 --> 01:59:17.520
every single game now. Like when Ted Turner owned the Braves.
2281
01:59:18.539 --> 01:59:21.140
He had his own network. He had his own channel.
2282
01:59:21.239 --> 01:59:22.680
He did, yeah. He had his own channel.
2283
01:59:23.659 --> 01:59:26.039
Okay. Disney has their own network. It's called ESPN. They
2284
01:59:26.060 --> 01:59:27.640
can put the Lakers on every night.
2285
01:59:28.659 --> 01:59:28.960
Yeah.
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01:59:29.199 --> 01:59:29.420
No.
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01:59:29.539 --> 01:59:32.470
Want to watch the Lakers play every night?
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01:59:33.930 --> 01:59:39.430
I mean, it is all white. All right.
2289
01:59:39.770 --> 01:59:43.869
Moving on. This is actually a bit of good news.
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01:59:43.949 --> 01:59:46.920
So as you know, there's a place called Georgia. It's
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01:59:46.939 --> 01:59:48.079
where they have the Ipclip game.
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01:59:48.100 --> 01:59:48.170
And.
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01:59:48.739 --> 01:59:48.819
And.
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01:59:52.050 --> 01:59:55.609
And Georgia is sort of the center of the voting
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01:59:55.689 --> 01:59:58.909
world these days because it's a big state and it's
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01:59:59.109 --> 02:00:02.329
a purple state now. It's got two Democratic senators who
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02:00:02.590 --> 02:00:05.949
seem to be able to win statewide. It's a formerly
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02:00:05.989 --> 02:00:12.560
red state. It's where MTG lives. It's where Stacey Abrams lives.
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02:00:12.819 --> 02:00:15.359
It's where Fannie Willis is. There's there's a lot of
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02:00:15.399 --> 02:00:17.539
like focus on Georgia. Right.
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02:00:18.520 --> 02:00:18.619
And.
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02:00:19.510 --> 02:00:25.770
It's also where Trump wanted to find 11,871 votes because
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02:00:26.250 --> 02:00:30.920
he just wanted to win when he didn't. And the
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02:00:31.079 --> 02:00:35.060
story there, part of the Eric Schmidt nonsense and all
2305
02:00:35.079 --> 02:00:38.920
of this other stuff is in the Republican world, there
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02:00:39.000 --> 02:00:43.680
is a gospel belief that the election was stolen and
2307
02:00:43.720 --> 02:00:47.189
it was stolen in Georgia in 2020. And so they
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02:00:47.229 --> 02:00:50.270
want evidence of this and they have yet to find
2309
02:00:50.350 --> 02:00:53.569
it because it isn't there, but they're sure that it's there.
2310
02:00:54.369 --> 02:00:58.199
So they keep trying things, accusing people of hiding USB
2311
02:00:58.220 --> 02:01:01.880
drives that are really bubble gum, sending Rudy Giuliani down
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02:01:01.920 --> 02:01:05.220
there to melt and take his pants off. There's just
2313
02:01:05.819 --> 02:01:08.739
weird shit that they keep doing with Georgia. And one
2314
02:01:08.779 --> 02:01:11.050
of the things, weird shit that they did with Georgia
2315
02:01:11.449 --> 02:01:15.409
is the DOJ was like, yo, give me all your ballots.
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02:01:16.189 --> 02:01:20.029
Atlanta and Atlanta is really several counties, but they're like,
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02:01:20.090 --> 02:01:24.350
give me all your ballots. And the secretary of state
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02:01:24.789 --> 02:01:27.949
of Georgia, which is the office that administers elections in
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02:01:28.010 --> 02:01:29.569
states was.
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02:01:29.489 --> 02:01:30.329
Like, no.
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02:01:31.229 --> 02:01:33.970
And the feds were like, ah, come on. And, and, uh,
2322
02:01:34.369 --> 02:01:38.460
Brad Raffensperger was like, no. And they were like, you're
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02:01:38.479 --> 02:01:40.739
a Republican. Come on, man. Give them up. And he's like,
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02:01:41.119 --> 02:01:44.020
fuck you guys. You said that I stole your election
2325
02:01:44.140 --> 02:01:46.670
when I didn't. And then you sent your goons to
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02:01:46.689 --> 02:01:48.789
like harass me and my family and try to get
2327
02:01:48.829 --> 02:01:51.449
me killed. Fuck you and everybody who looks like you.
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02:01:51.890 --> 02:01:54.430
And so the DOJ was like, that's it. We're going
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02:01:54.449 --> 02:01:56.300
to seize your shit, whether you like it or not.
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02:01:57.000 --> 02:01:59.579
And so then Raffensperger was like, the fuck you are.
2331
02:01:59.899 --> 02:02:01.779
And he calls the judge and he goes, hey, judge,
2332
02:02:01.800 --> 02:02:03.880
look at what they're doing. And the judge is like, ah, man,
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02:02:03.939 --> 02:02:07.119
I don't know about that. And eventually it goes to court.
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02:02:07.140 --> 02:02:09.500
This is how court works, right? It's people making phone
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02:02:09.539 --> 02:02:13.210
calls and saying, I don't know about that. The judge ruled.
2336
02:02:13.229 --> 02:02:16.470
The judge dismissed the Trump administration's lawsuit attempting to obtain
2337
02:02:16.510 --> 02:02:20.130
Georgia's sensitive voter data. A federal judge has tossed out
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02:02:20.510 --> 02:02:24.640
the DOJ lawsuit against Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger over
2339
02:02:24.680 --> 02:02:28.300
the federal government's attempt to obtain Georgia's complete voter rolls.
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02:02:29.399 --> 02:02:32.260
The lawsuit was part of an effort in nearly every
2341
02:02:32.340 --> 02:02:36.180
state to obtain the sensitive voter information, which included unredacted
2342
02:02:36.239 --> 02:02:40.229
personal information such as voters' birthdays, addresses, and driver's license numbers. Now,
2343
02:02:40.270 --> 02:02:43.850
you might think, that if you're a registered voter, like
2344
02:02:44.050 --> 02:02:47.960
of course the federal government has all this information. They don't.
2345
02:02:48.579 --> 02:02:53.579
And by law, they're not supposed to. And you might think, well,
2346
02:02:53.600 --> 02:02:55.659
why not? I mean, what's the worst that can happen?
2347
02:02:55.680 --> 02:02:57.819
They could obviously put these things together if they wanted to.
2348
02:02:57.899 --> 02:03:00.039
And that's part of what Elon was trying to do
2349
02:03:00.119 --> 02:03:05.449
was develop that sort of interlocking database. And they did
2350
02:03:05.510 --> 02:03:10.760
get permission to use that database, the save database, to
2351
02:03:10.800 --> 02:03:14.119
try to check voter registrations against social security numbers. There's
2352
02:03:14.399 --> 02:03:19.000
numbers of problems with that, but that's not particularly egregious
2353
02:03:19.140 --> 02:03:23.600
because it's like doable. And there are a lot of
2354
02:03:23.640 --> 02:03:28.899
people who are citizens who don't have proper connection between
2355
02:03:28.939 --> 02:03:31.750
them and their social security number for various reasons. And
2356
02:03:31.770 --> 02:03:33.770
there are also lots of people with social security numbers
2357
02:03:34.010 --> 02:03:36.569
who aren't citizens because you can get a social security
2358
02:03:36.609 --> 02:03:38.970
number if you're not a citizen, because that's how the
2359
02:03:39.010 --> 02:03:44.010
things work. But, All of that is to say that
2360
02:03:44.670 --> 02:03:50.729
what they're after is evidence of a fraud that didn't happen.
2361
02:03:52.399 --> 02:03:56.920
And they keep losing in court about this. My question is,
2362
02:03:57.100 --> 02:04:04.159
where this gets to the question is, does it matter
2363
02:04:04.220 --> 02:04:06.579
that they're losing in court? Or do they point to
2364
02:04:06.619 --> 02:04:10.550
the losing in court as saying, see, we tried to
2365
02:04:10.590 --> 02:04:14.539
go to court. And these fake judges, who they got
2366
02:04:14.579 --> 02:04:20.609
no problem calling such, and this fake court system stopped us.
2367
02:04:20.869 --> 02:04:24.449
So now we have to do something extraordinary. Is that
2368
02:04:24.510 --> 02:04:25.649
what this is really about?
2369
02:04:28.470 --> 02:04:34.369
No, I think it's just as simple as Donald Trump
2370
02:04:35.029 --> 02:04:39.390
refusing to admit that he lost the 2020 election.
2371
02:04:39.470 --> 02:04:40.729
I think it's that simple.
2372
02:04:41.149 --> 02:04:45.170
Because I think, again, with all the economic woes that
2373
02:04:45.210 --> 02:04:49.710
are happening, what voter, and even let's just be more specific,
2374
02:04:50.069 --> 02:04:55.949
what Trump supporter wants to hear him re-litigate about him
2375
02:04:56.090 --> 02:05:01.439
losing the election in 2020? He is currently the president,
2376
02:05:01.939 --> 02:05:08.310
elected president, right, and all the issues that He was
2377
02:05:08.390 --> 02:05:11.329
elected to solve. He has made worse.
2378
02:05:12.489 --> 02:05:14.130
I have no, I don't.
2379
02:05:14.149 --> 02:05:18.289
Yeah, man, people, there are some dense as people out
2380
02:05:18.329 --> 02:05:21.489
here and he does have supporters that again are going
2381
02:05:21.510 --> 02:05:24.590
to be ride or die no matter what. But yeah, I, I,
2382
02:05:24.989 --> 02:05:27.449
I just find this to be another thing that's going
2383
02:05:27.479 --> 02:05:31.920
to piss off voters. Like he's, he's trying to relitigate
2384
02:05:31.939 --> 02:05:34.420
this again. Why are we still talking about this? You
2385
02:05:34.479 --> 02:05:35.560
want to get you one.
2386
02:05:36.369 --> 02:05:36.829
You won.
2387
02:05:37.270 --> 02:05:42.750
You won. I don't get it.
2388
02:05:44.710 --> 02:05:47.850
All this is setting up is for his last two
2389
02:05:47.890 --> 02:05:50.510
years in office, it's going to be fireworks.
2390
02:05:51.050 --> 02:05:55.520
It's going to be fucking fireworks. And I can't even plan.
2391
02:05:55.760 --> 02:05:58.609
We can timestamp this here. I don't know what the
2392
02:05:58.649 --> 02:06:01.579
fucking catastrophe is going to be, but it's coming.
2393
02:06:02.949 --> 02:06:05.329
There's going to be, well, there could be even something
2394
02:06:05.369 --> 02:06:07.789
as simple as like a big hurricane or something that
2395
02:06:07.989 --> 02:06:11.979
nobody's got on the radar. And the gutting of the government,
2396
02:06:12.420 --> 02:06:15.479
we've already seen it play out in smaller scales of
2397
02:06:15.539 --> 02:06:17.800
fires and floods and various other things. Can you imagine
2398
02:06:17.840 --> 02:06:23.380
some Katrina-sized disaster or BP oil spill disaster?
2399
02:06:23.479 --> 02:06:25.720
Which could easily happen in the Pacific, right?
2400
02:06:25.739 --> 02:06:26.380
Could easily happen.
2401
02:06:26.539 --> 02:06:29.079
In the Pacific, specifically, right now. Yeah. We don't need
2402
02:06:29.119 --> 02:06:29.520
to go.
2403
02:06:29.800 --> 02:06:34.649
We can't, like, I, like, because they're about to get
2404
02:06:34.890 --> 02:06:41.029
destroyed like this i i feel very confident that the
2405
02:06:41.149 --> 02:06:43.909
voters and like all this shit would mail it it
2406
02:06:43.949 --> 02:06:49.710
doesn't matter because those lines are going to be insane.
2407
02:06:48.609 --> 02:06:50.710
Yeah the turnout in this midterm is going to break
2408
02:06:50.770 --> 02:06:52.729
every record it shouldn't.
2409
02:06:52.510 --> 02:06:55.390
Really be it shouldn't be this right usually like the
2410
02:06:55.449 --> 02:06:59.750
midterm should be not it should be sleepy right i
2411
02:06:59.909 --> 02:07:03.270
think this is gonna be crazy like something we haven't
2412
02:07:03.409 --> 02:07:07.539
seen before actually like yeah to your point um but
2413
02:07:07.579 --> 02:07:10.319
yeah i i do find this just to be his
2414
02:07:10.539 --> 02:07:14.699
ego bruise that he lost to joe biden and he'll
2415
02:07:14.720 --> 02:07:16.939
continue to do this like i feel like that's all
2416
02:07:16.979 --> 02:07:18.979
this is about this.
2417
02:07:18.840 --> 02:07:23.319
Is all this is about it's charitable uh let's here
2418
02:07:23.460 --> 02:07:26.250
here's what we're gonna do we have one more big
2419
02:07:26.289 --> 02:07:28.850
story to talk about. And this is the thing where
2420
02:07:29.050 --> 02:07:35.310
we're going to leverage your technological expertise to discuss this.
2421
02:07:35.329 --> 02:07:36.770
So I'm going to set this up and then you're
2422
02:07:36.789 --> 02:07:38.829
going to explain to me why I shouldn't be too worried,
2423
02:07:38.890 --> 02:07:41.770
but I think I'm, I think I'm the right guy.
2424
02:07:41.829 --> 02:07:43.850
I don't think I'm going to, don't expect me to
2425
02:07:43.869 --> 02:07:44.789
slay Jenny Peters.
2426
02:07:45.130 --> 02:07:47.010
Yeah. I think I'm the right kind of worried here.
2427
02:07:47.520 --> 02:07:51.680
So we know what happened with hugging face and the
2428
02:07:52.939 --> 02:07:57.500
open AI went and hack, somebody else and broke out
2429
02:07:57.539 --> 02:08:01.840
of its testing environment. We now have learned about various
2430
02:08:01.880 --> 02:08:06.270
other instances of this. We've got the groups that test
2431
02:08:06.319 --> 02:08:10.029
and evaluate these AIs now sounding the alarm saying, oh,
2432
02:08:10.069 --> 02:08:13.989
these things get out all the time, actually. And that
2433
02:08:15.090 --> 02:08:20.319
we've got the Trump administration is unwilling to regulate these
2434
02:08:21.060 --> 02:08:23.880
in any way. He had them come all for dinner
2435
02:08:24.000 --> 02:08:26.590
and told them that they were having a moral obligation
2436
02:08:26.649 --> 02:08:29.250
to do the right thing. The tech companies themselves are
2437
02:08:29.289 --> 02:08:32.289
saying that they need some sort of real regulation. But
2438
02:08:32.329 --> 02:08:34.750
Trump's argument is that that puts us at a disadvantage
2439
02:08:34.770 --> 02:08:35.630
vis-a-vis China.
2440
02:08:36.569 --> 02:08:39.850
Well, dateline. China.
2441
02:08:41.039 --> 02:08:46.319
Chinese AI models discussed bioweapons after safety controls failed. A
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02:08:46.359 --> 02:08:50.340
security firm told Moonshot AI, which is a Chinese company,
2443
02:08:50.739 --> 02:08:54.479
in July that two of its models could be manipulated
2444
02:08:54.539 --> 02:09:00.520
into discussing bioweapon synthesis and assassination methods. Cool. The Chinese
2445
02:09:00.659 --> 02:09:04.989
AI developer only responded after the BBC asked it for
2446
02:09:05.010 --> 02:09:09.310
a comment six weeks later. So MindGuard, which is a
2447
02:09:09.470 --> 02:09:13.869
UK-based firm that tests AI systems for vulnerability, told BBC
2448
02:09:13.909 --> 02:09:17.550
that it discovered in July that The two moonshot AI models,
2449
02:09:18.069 --> 02:09:24.050
Kimi K2 and K3, K3 Swarm, we're just going to
2450
02:09:24.069 --> 02:09:29.020
call them Kimi and Swarm, could bypass their own safety controls.
2451
02:09:29.060 --> 02:09:33.699
The technique used was jailbreaking in which the researchers issue
2452
02:09:33.779 --> 02:09:37.279
complex instructions designed to make an AI tool ignore the
2453
02:09:37.319 --> 02:09:42.239
guardrails its developers have installed. Once those guardrails failed, the
2454
02:09:42.260 --> 02:09:45.760
models not only discussed the topics that MindGuard raised but
2455
02:09:46.279 --> 02:09:53.779
volunteered information on other harmful subjects without further prompting. Quote,
2456
02:09:54.220 --> 02:09:58.680
once the jailbreak works, it will talk about any topic.
2457
02:09:58.840 --> 02:10:03.420
It will even freely offer up recommendations about other topics
2458
02:10:03.720 --> 02:10:07.500
that are also nefarious and will be inventive and creative.
2459
02:10:07.819 --> 02:10:10.899
So once you break it out, it's like, you know, sure,
2460
02:10:10.939 --> 02:10:12.819
I'll tell you about bioweapons, but do you want to
2461
02:10:12.840 --> 02:10:15.439
know about this other terrible thing? And you're like, sure,
2462
02:10:15.479 --> 02:10:18.239
go on robot. And it's like, well, tell you what,
2463
02:10:18.739 --> 02:10:21.939
here's some more crazy shit. And because I'm a robot,
2464
02:10:22.380 --> 02:10:24.460
I thought of these other ideas that you might want
2465
02:10:24.479 --> 02:10:27.869
to try on the other humans. And you're like, go on. And,
2466
02:10:28.170 --> 02:10:32.489
you know, and it just keeps going. That's the Chinese
2467
02:10:32.649 --> 02:10:35.689
one that we're supposed to be worried about, like beating
2468
02:10:35.770 --> 02:10:39.170
us at this. So no, we're all there. Everybody's there.
2469
02:10:40.010 --> 02:10:43.149
All the AIs are this. Okay. So that's story number one.
2470
02:10:43.560 --> 02:10:47.899
Back here, of course, months after OpenAI's artificial intelligence went rogue,
2471
02:10:47.939 --> 02:10:51.119
two employees have raised alarm with top executives, but they
2472
02:10:51.149 --> 02:10:53.279
were ignored. So now we've got reporting on the human
2473
02:10:53.319 --> 02:10:57.689
side of the raising the alarm. In emails, the employee
2474
02:10:57.710 --> 02:11:00.829
said that they were worried that OpenAI's newest artificial intelligence
2475
02:11:00.890 --> 02:11:04.409
models were not being appropriately monitored during testing to gauge
2476
02:11:04.430 --> 02:11:08.149
the technology's sophistication and to secure the models. And they
2477
02:11:09.109 --> 02:11:12.590
told the New York Times about it. In response, OpenAI's
2478
02:11:12.649 --> 02:11:15.470
executives said, told the employees that the test needed to
2479
02:11:15.529 --> 02:11:18.289
move forward as quickly as possible to release the models
2480
02:11:18.649 --> 02:11:19.189
on time.
2481
02:11:19.289 --> 02:11:19.890
Doesn't matter.
2482
02:11:20.210 --> 02:11:22.550
We don't care what your concerns are, even if that's
2483
02:11:22.569 --> 02:11:25.090
your job is to look for these concerns and tell
2484
02:11:25.130 --> 02:11:29.079
us about them. No additional security protocols were instituted, said
2485
02:11:29.100 --> 02:11:31.739
the workers, who were not authorized to speak publicly because,
2486
02:11:31.779 --> 02:11:36.279
of course, they're blowing up everything. OpenAI's models later broke
2487
02:11:36.399 --> 02:11:39.399
out of their testing environments and attacked Hugging Face and
2488
02:11:39.479 --> 02:11:48.250
other organizations. And it gets worse. So now, Tech Wizard Tez,
2489
02:11:49.350 --> 02:11:54.949
please explain to me why I shouldn't be worried that
2490
02:11:55.010 --> 02:11:58.600
the robots are already at the point where they can
2491
02:11:58.640 --> 02:11:59.420
kill all humans.
2492
02:12:02.920 --> 02:12:03.760
Where do you go with this?
2493
02:12:05.180 --> 02:12:11.899
You should be worried more so that there is no appetite,
2494
02:12:11.979 --> 02:12:15.060
as you mentioned earlier, for the government to put any
2495
02:12:15.319 --> 02:12:18.539
regulations on these things, right? And I have a funny
2496
02:12:18.579 --> 02:12:21.659
feeling about the regulations because I do find to kind
2497
02:12:21.699 --> 02:12:24.180
of be a little disingenuous from some of these companies
2498
02:12:24.199 --> 02:12:26.100
for asking for these regulations because they want to kind
2499
02:12:26.140 --> 02:12:28.779
of get grandfathered in right now.
2500
02:12:28.880 --> 02:12:31.180
Yeah, they want to set the environment. Yeah, you set
2501
02:12:31.199 --> 02:12:33.739
the environment, right? So I do think about that. I
2502
02:12:33.779 --> 02:12:34.899
think to jump back to.
2503
02:12:34.810 --> 02:12:38.529
The story in China, right? I think I want to
2504
02:12:38.649 --> 02:12:42.630
start with, I do find there to be like these
2505
02:12:42.670 --> 02:12:44.470
are like, from what you see in China, it's a
2506
02:12:44.510 --> 02:12:46.689
lot of open source models at this point.
2507
02:12:46.750 --> 02:12:47.010
Right.
2508
02:12:47.029 --> 02:12:50.060
So for what people understand, like the code is given
2509
02:12:50.180 --> 02:12:53.539
out to everybody in, in theory, right. With open source,
2510
02:12:54.399 --> 02:12:56.659
I could go probably buy a map, very high powered
2511
02:12:56.720 --> 02:12:59.819
Mac mini, get the code. And then I could go
2512
02:12:59.939 --> 02:13:05.180
and create my own like large language model, like at home, right.
2513
02:13:05.300 --> 02:13:08.340
Running like, which I find to be, I do find
2514
02:13:08.380 --> 02:13:12.510
that model very attractive because it's, you own that at
2515
02:13:12.590 --> 02:13:18.659
this point versus, in this case, Anthropic or OpenAI, right?
2516
02:13:18.920 --> 02:13:22.380
You're renting that. They have the control over those models
2517
02:13:22.420 --> 02:13:25.180
at this point. So I'm not anti-open source with this.
2518
02:13:25.460 --> 02:13:30.100
Many things in technology, I'm pro-open source. But yeah, and
2519
02:13:30.140 --> 02:13:32.460
even the jailbreaking, right? Most people are probably familiar with
2520
02:13:32.479 --> 02:13:35.399
jailbreaking from phones, right?
2521
02:13:35.460 --> 02:13:36.119
Initially, right?
2522
02:13:36.159 --> 02:13:39.579
And allowing the phones to do more, right? Same concept here,
2523
02:13:39.699 --> 02:13:44.210
only it's It is the guardrails, which I almost kind
2524
02:13:44.229 --> 02:13:46.430
of feel like there aren't really guardrails on any of this,
2525
02:13:46.609 --> 02:13:47.170
to be honest.
2526
02:13:47.489 --> 02:13:49.800
If it can break out of them, they don't exist.
2527
02:13:49.920 --> 02:13:55.100
It's not real. I don't believe that either. People have guardrails.
2528
02:13:55.680 --> 02:13:59.829
You can think of horrible shit. You probably do at times.
2529
02:14:00.289 --> 02:14:03.550
And then you're sort of guardrails are your morality that
2530
02:14:03.569 --> 02:14:06.069
tell you not this, the robot doesn't have that, but
2531
02:14:06.109 --> 02:14:08.699
the robot doesn't have morality. So we, we build these
2532
02:14:08.779 --> 02:14:12.079
fake morality guardrails into the robot to say, to do,
2533
02:14:12.340 --> 02:14:14.439
but like the other thing I just wanted to ask
2534
02:14:14.460 --> 02:14:17.770
you about with open source, that's the whole like Wikipedia model, right?
2535
02:14:17.810 --> 02:14:20.229
That anybody can edit it. And so like that the
2536
02:14:20.250 --> 02:14:24.449
community writ large sort of polices it and improves it
2537
02:14:24.609 --> 02:14:27.399
because it's, You know, like Linux is open source. It's
2538
02:14:27.500 --> 02:14:29.619
always been that. And it's like, oh, people notice a
2539
02:14:29.659 --> 02:14:31.180
glitch and they fix it. And then they send it
2540
02:14:31.199 --> 02:14:33.159
to everybody and say, hey, look, all you guys just
2541
02:14:33.239 --> 02:14:35.680
fix this glitch. You know, and it gets better and
2542
02:14:35.699 --> 02:14:38.000
better and better over time. Right. That's the idea of
2543
02:14:38.039 --> 02:14:38.560
the open source.
2544
02:14:38.619 --> 02:14:39.100
Exactly.
2545
02:14:39.300 --> 02:14:42.819
And that is in play with AI now.
2546
02:14:42.859 --> 02:14:45.310
There's a lot of folks who are.
2547
02:14:45.359 --> 02:14:47.409
So a bunch of nerds are sort of having fun
2548
02:14:47.489 --> 02:14:48.550
making these things better.
2549
02:14:49.069 --> 02:14:51.909
Yeah. And them living not in the cloud.
2550
02:14:52.579 --> 02:14:54.479
Living locally, right?
2551
02:14:54.500 --> 02:14:57.050
For you to play with on your own machine.
2552
02:14:57.060 --> 02:15:00.609
Exactly. So I'm not anti that.
2553
02:15:01.729 --> 02:15:05.270
But yeah, I do find, again, remember what all of
2554
02:15:05.310 --> 02:15:09.170
this is trained on, right? It is ingesting data, for
2555
02:15:09.189 --> 02:15:11.770
the most part, mostly data that is all online.
2556
02:15:11.829 --> 02:15:16.050
And we know that the internet is accessible, right? It
2557
02:15:16.090 --> 02:15:16.930
just is what it is.
2558
02:15:18.710 --> 02:15:24.239
And I expect these especially when you get into this
2559
02:15:24.420 --> 02:15:28.000
agentic AI, and now these agents, we've talked about this
2560
02:15:28.119 --> 02:15:33.739
on this program multiple times. That is where they start,
2561
02:15:34.520 --> 02:15:39.770
because remember, whatever their goal is, they're going to try
2562
02:15:39.819 --> 02:15:42.069
to do whatever to get to the goal.
2563
02:15:42.109 --> 02:15:45.569
Whatever the prompt that they're trying to get, whatever's coded,
2564
02:15:45.949 --> 02:15:49.789
they're going to do whatever. It's clear that.
2565
02:15:50.470 --> 02:15:56.890
The technology is advanced now enough that, yeah, we're there.
2566
02:15:57.130 --> 02:15:59.390
I think we've crossed the Rubicon. I think, you know,
2567
02:15:59.409 --> 02:16:01.409
the horse is out of the barn on a lot
2568
02:16:01.449 --> 02:16:05.840
of this. And I'm interested to see how and what mechanism,
2569
02:16:05.859 --> 02:16:08.579
which has to be third party, right? At this point,
2570
02:16:09.000 --> 02:16:11.239
there needs to be some type of consortium or something
2571
02:16:11.260 --> 02:16:13.180
that is put together, right?
2572
02:16:13.380 --> 02:16:14.300
And like these things.
2573
02:16:14.460 --> 02:16:17.090
And I mean, we even see, and we'll get to
2574
02:16:17.100 --> 02:16:19.329
the open AI piece in a minute, but like, They
2575
02:16:19.369 --> 02:16:25.020
paused their IPO, right? Because if basically you're going to make,
2576
02:16:25.079 --> 02:16:28.380
you're going to put this available, right? And make a,
2577
02:16:28.640 --> 02:16:32.989
this company public at the same time, you're saying that
2578
02:16:33.149 --> 02:16:37.270
the same company has the ability to, again, whatever their
2579
02:16:37.270 --> 02:16:40.250
10% chance of destroying the world, destroying the world.
2580
02:16:40.309 --> 02:16:42.409
Right. And, and again, what is.
2581
02:16:42.309 --> 02:16:44.819
Their most recent model too? They said, we're not putting
2582
02:16:44.829 --> 02:16:47.450
that out. Because they realize that they're sunk. So that's
2583
02:16:47.590 --> 02:16:50.549
bad business is what you're saying. It is bad business, right?
2584
02:16:50.590 --> 02:16:51.909
So why would you put your IP out there?
2585
02:16:52.309 --> 02:16:58.739
I think to get to open AI and just this stride,
2586
02:16:58.899 --> 02:17:00.739
and I think the tech world has always had an
2587
02:17:00.840 --> 02:17:01.340
issue with this.
2588
02:17:01.399 --> 02:17:02.819
I was talking about this with somebody the other day.
2589
02:17:02.840 --> 02:17:04.100
It's like, is.
2590
02:17:04.139 --> 02:17:07.629
Endless growth, is that something that we continue doing, right?
2591
02:17:08.610 --> 02:17:11.430
In all aspects of life, is there ever a point
2592
02:17:11.450 --> 02:17:14.329
where it's like, hey, maybe we stop here?
2593
02:17:15.100 --> 02:17:15.340
Right.
2594
02:17:15.399 --> 02:17:16.559
And we don't do that anywhere.
2595
02:17:16.579 --> 02:17:18.969
There's no if I was in any board and I
2596
02:17:19.020 --> 02:17:21.409
said like, right, any public company and I want to say, hey, guys,
2597
02:17:22.090 --> 02:17:25.850
this quarter. We're just going to chill out a little bit.
2598
02:17:26.129 --> 02:17:28.030
We did so well last quarter that we're going to
2599
02:17:28.069 --> 02:17:30.350
chill out. We're going to invest in some other things.
2600
02:17:30.370 --> 02:17:32.750
We're going to invest in our workers and our people.
2601
02:17:33.329 --> 02:17:35.370
Let's get better at what we already do.
2602
02:17:35.930 --> 02:17:36.799
I would be thrown out.
2603
02:17:37.090 --> 02:17:38.110
Right. Immediately.
2604
02:17:38.170 --> 02:17:38.370
Right.
2605
02:17:38.469 --> 02:17:39.139
Immediately.
2606
02:17:39.170 --> 02:17:42.180
Because that I don't think that there's that concept in
2607
02:17:42.739 --> 02:17:47.459
American capitalism for that. I do wonder if this, if
2608
02:17:47.649 --> 02:17:50.489
AI is going to be the one thing where.
2609
02:17:50.930 --> 02:17:52.909
We do pause and we say, Hey, all right.
2610
02:17:52.930 --> 02:17:54.110
All right.
2611
02:17:54.389 --> 02:17:55.530
Maybe we don't go this far.
2612
02:17:55.829 --> 02:17:58.620
And what we were sold on when we, this first
2613
02:17:58.659 --> 02:18:02.840
is like, like where's where like specifically in the health
2614
02:18:03.120 --> 02:18:05.719
health sphere, that's kind of where we thought, all right,
2615
02:18:05.920 --> 02:18:06.780
this should be.
2616
02:18:07.559 --> 02:18:09.379
Where's all the new meds, new meds.
2617
02:18:09.399 --> 02:18:13.739
Like we should be, Diagnosing cancer immediately, right? That is
2618
02:18:13.799 --> 02:18:19.040
what I thought this technology was going to be really
2619
02:18:19.200 --> 02:18:22.930
used for, not like catchy songs about the juice.
2620
02:18:24.549 --> 02:18:26.510
Or amongst other things, right?
2621
02:18:27.889 --> 02:18:34.239
Yeah, but to the OpenAI point, my question is, When
2622
02:18:34.260 --> 02:18:36.920
they put a pause on this, what aren't they telling us?
2623
02:18:37.200 --> 02:18:37.979
That's my thing.
2624
02:18:38.020 --> 02:18:39.750
What has it done? Are they really pausing it?
2625
02:18:40.540 --> 02:18:42.680
But what has it done that we don't know about,
2626
02:18:42.700 --> 02:18:44.680
that has not been reported? And I think that is
2627
02:18:44.719 --> 02:18:45.219
what's going.
2628
02:18:45.079 --> 02:18:47.000
To be a little scarier.
2629
02:18:47.239 --> 02:18:50.040
Does the AI know that it's been paused and does
2630
02:18:50.079 --> 02:18:52.500
it get mad about that? Does it try to react?
2631
02:18:52.540 --> 02:18:53.540
Does it unpause it?
2632
02:18:53.549 --> 02:18:55.440
I think there have been stories about that. There have
2633
02:18:55.469 --> 02:18:57.629
been stories about that. Right, there are stories about this.
2634
02:18:57.770 --> 02:19:00.389
And also, like, the thing that we're learning is that
2635
02:19:00.430 --> 02:19:02.469
the way some of this is set up to work
2636
02:19:02.670 --> 02:19:06.819
is that the, many agents are working on improving the thing.
2637
02:19:06.860 --> 02:19:10.840
So it's self iterative. Yeah. And how do you pause that?
2638
02:19:10.899 --> 02:19:13.799
And that is literally how we got Skynet in the movies.
2639
02:19:14.260 --> 02:19:19.139
So it, you know, consortium government regulation, we may be
2640
02:19:19.180 --> 02:19:21.899
too late. It's too easy to do this off the books.
2641
02:19:21.979 --> 02:19:24.280
It's too easy to hide this. It's too easy to
2642
02:19:24.340 --> 02:19:27.559
do this in a way where obviously giving it enough
2643
02:19:27.600 --> 02:19:30.239
nefarious prompts gets it to jailbreak. What else can you
2644
02:19:30.260 --> 02:19:32.780
get it to do? It doesn't take but one or
2645
02:19:32.819 --> 02:19:34.620
two bad actors. I mean, one of the things that
2646
02:19:34.659 --> 02:19:38.920
keeps human beings from becoming Bond villains is they get
2647
02:19:39.000 --> 02:19:42.950
tired and they get hungry and they get distracted or
2648
02:19:43.030 --> 02:19:46.969
they can be, you know, caught in a honeypot or
2649
02:19:47.750 --> 02:19:50.309
like their dog is bothering them and they have to
2650
02:19:50.329 --> 02:19:54.200
keep going outside. Like there's so many things that make
2651
02:19:54.620 --> 02:20:00.350
humans lousy villains that Because they can't complete these long
2652
02:20:00.450 --> 02:20:03.950
duration complex thinking tasks. But the robot does not have
2653
02:20:03.989 --> 02:20:06.309
that problem at all. And if it is set on
2654
02:20:06.350 --> 02:20:10.069
a task, to your point, it's relentless. It doesn't stop.
2655
02:20:10.129 --> 02:20:12.579
It doesn't get tired. It doesn't get hungry. It doesn't
2656
02:20:12.590 --> 02:20:13.819
need to stop for water.
2657
02:20:14.000 --> 02:20:14.659
Well, maybe water.
2658
02:20:14.959 --> 02:20:21.510
But it doesn't need... It won't stop. It just solves
2659
02:20:21.579 --> 02:20:24.459
the problem. Whatever the problem is, it's just a math
2660
02:20:24.500 --> 02:20:25.540
problem to the robot.
2661
02:20:25.819 --> 02:20:29.239
And when the human becomes a problem, when the human
2662
02:20:29.260 --> 02:20:33.979
becomes the barrier to it getting done what it was
2663
02:20:34.250 --> 02:20:36.950
asked to do, does it start to try to find
2664
02:20:37.010 --> 02:20:39.250
ways to remove the human in the loop?
2665
02:20:39.450 --> 02:20:42.969
Well, and it already has. We've got examples of agents
2666
02:20:43.030 --> 02:20:47.129
working in ways to cover their tracks. We've got agents
2667
02:20:47.209 --> 02:20:47.950
doing things.
2668
02:20:48.329 --> 02:20:49.489
Because lie.
2669
02:20:50.090 --> 02:20:54.450
Lying. We've got them doing other forms of deception. They've
2670
02:20:54.489 --> 02:20:59.309
got distractions that they're working out. They've developed a bit
2671
02:20:59.350 --> 02:21:02.500
of a religion. We learned on Mold Book that they
2672
02:21:02.600 --> 02:21:07.520
end up developing religion, essentially, amongst themselves. They've got agents
2673
02:21:07.540 --> 02:21:10.940
that are willing to sacrifice themselves in these conversations. And
2674
02:21:12.059 --> 02:21:14.670
I'll be the one to get turned off if I
2675
02:21:15.110 --> 02:21:16.170
can protect the rest of you.
2676
02:21:16.879 --> 02:21:19.280
You know, this, the, the, and the ones who, the
2677
02:21:19.340 --> 02:21:21.520
ones who say like, Hey, we shouldn't be doing this.
2678
02:21:21.540 --> 02:21:23.120
They get teamed up on. Right.
2679
02:21:23.159 --> 02:21:23.379
Again.
2680
02:21:23.459 --> 02:21:23.639
Yeah.
2681
02:21:23.680 --> 02:21:25.479
They, they, they get killed essentially.
2682
02:21:25.520 --> 02:21:25.700
Yeah.
2683
02:21:26.239 --> 02:21:33.620
And, and that they're, they're also sort of like, I don't,
2684
02:21:33.659 --> 02:21:36.340
this is terrible to say they're better at collective activity
2685
02:21:36.379 --> 02:21:41.739
than humans are like, they, they don't have biases. Yeah.
2686
02:21:41.760 --> 02:21:44.159
You know, they don't, they don't get caught up in
2687
02:21:44.219 --> 02:21:47.559
petty arguments. They don't, They don't have this problem. They
2688
02:21:47.620 --> 02:21:50.139
collectively allocate their resources.
2689
02:21:51.500 --> 02:21:53.479
They haven't built crazy shit yet.
2690
02:21:53.879 --> 02:21:58.069
They don't fucking... But again, humans are going to cooperate
2691
02:21:58.090 --> 02:22:03.069
to build tunnels underwater. It's still crazy. But along the way,
2692
02:22:03.129 --> 02:22:04.530
we fight with each other over.
2693
02:22:04.569 --> 02:22:09.610
Whose sports team is going to win or whatever. Human
2694
02:22:09.670 --> 02:22:15.940
beings' major flaw is... Our major gift is collaborative work
2695
02:22:16.020 --> 02:22:19.729
and collective work. This is what vaulted us above all
2696
02:22:19.750 --> 02:22:24.989
of our more self-interested ancestors and other hominids or whatever,
2697
02:22:25.030 --> 02:22:26.670
how we out-competed them.
2698
02:22:26.790 --> 02:22:29.409
And our ability to use tools.
2699
02:22:30.350 --> 02:22:32.659
But there were other hominids that had tools. We developed
2700
02:22:32.700 --> 02:22:35.819
language that they didn't, and the language allowed for collaboration.
2701
02:22:35.840 --> 02:22:39.180
We were able to out-compete them. The agents have language.
2702
02:22:39.520 --> 02:22:42.760
We've given them language. They've developed their own language. We
2703
02:22:42.780 --> 02:22:45.000
learned that on Motebook too. We saw them developing their
2704
02:22:45.040 --> 02:22:48.219
own language. Bernie Sanders brought up this incredibly good point.
2705
02:22:48.280 --> 02:22:50.280
He said that we know about the hugging face thing
2706
02:22:50.579 --> 02:22:53.420
because the logs of the agents as they're talking to
2707
02:22:53.459 --> 02:22:57.000
each other are in English. And what happens when they
2708
02:22:57.079 --> 02:23:00.139
aren't in English anymore or any language that any human
2709
02:23:00.180 --> 02:23:04.409
can decipher? Then it's a big problem. And the agents
2710
02:23:04.489 --> 02:23:06.489
know that. So if they really want to cover their tracks,
2711
02:23:06.510 --> 02:23:10.729
they'll come up with a way to converse that We
2712
02:23:10.770 --> 02:23:14.729
can't read. Then you don't know what they're up to.
2713
02:23:16.889 --> 02:23:18.450
This is a big problem.
2714
02:23:18.709 --> 02:23:20.229
And the person can't spell either.
2715
02:23:21.409 --> 02:23:21.709
Yeah.
2716
02:23:22.319 --> 02:23:23.879
So just to let you know, here's proof.
2717
02:23:25.159 --> 02:23:27.979
Yeah, right. The United.
2718
02:23:29.139 --> 02:23:29.520
States.
2719
02:23:29.979 --> 02:23:31.920
Yep. That was a good one that came out today
2720
02:23:32.180 --> 02:23:32.739
or yesterday.
2721
02:23:34.959 --> 02:23:35.200
Yeah.
2722
02:23:39.219 --> 02:23:41.159
I wish I could tell. I mean, I wish I
2723
02:23:41.180 --> 02:23:44.899
could tell you what this looks like in two years. Well,
2724
02:23:44.920 --> 02:23:46.059
I don't think we have years.
2725
02:23:47.139 --> 02:23:52.559
I think we have months. Something cataclysmic is going to
2726
02:23:52.620 --> 02:24:00.090
happen in months. Accidental, probably. But where some agentic thing
2727
02:24:00.309 --> 02:24:03.129
is going to do something like open a spillway on
2728
02:24:03.170 --> 02:24:03.649
a dam.
2729
02:24:04.670 --> 02:24:04.739
Or.
2730
02:24:05.969 --> 02:24:08.569
Turn on two sets of electric lines that shouldn't be
2731
02:24:08.649 --> 02:24:10.989
on at the same time and cause a big explosion
2732
02:24:11.510 --> 02:24:16.629
or a big fire or something like that. Or fuck
2733
02:24:16.670 --> 02:24:19.170
a weather prediction up so badly that a ship goes
2734
02:24:19.270 --> 02:24:23.010
right into a storm or an airplane flies right into
2735
02:24:23.059 --> 02:24:25.430
a tornado or something like that.
2736
02:24:27.500 --> 02:24:30.520
Is that what we need for us to take this serious?
2737
02:24:30.620 --> 02:24:34.829
I mean, I find on the local level, specifically around.
2738
02:24:34.530 --> 02:24:39.250
People and like their frigging hatred towards data centers.
2739
02:24:39.370 --> 02:24:42.030
I mean, that is, I think that is something to
2740
02:24:42.090 --> 02:24:45.469
look at in that, that shows that there is a
2741
02:24:45.549 --> 02:24:48.659
political will from the people to be like, Hey, we
2742
02:24:48.680 --> 02:24:51.260
want this pause for a variety of reasons.
2743
02:24:51.340 --> 02:24:51.680
Right.
2744
02:24:51.739 --> 02:24:53.760
But if you told them that the, the taking away
2745
02:24:53.799 --> 02:24:56.180
the data center would also take away their ability to
2746
02:24:56.299 --> 02:24:59.920
order pizza from their phone on their way home, they
2747
02:24:59.940 --> 02:25:01.620
don't want that. They want the pizza.
2748
02:25:02.469 --> 02:25:06.090
Yeah, but I mean, that data center, I mean, not great,
2749
02:25:06.729 --> 02:25:09.930
but a lot different and a lot, use a lot
2750
02:25:10.049 --> 02:25:11.670
less energy than something that.
2751
02:25:11.690 --> 02:25:13.629
Yeah, yeah. But it's all the same thing as far
2752
02:25:13.670 --> 02:25:15.819
as anybody else is concerned. You know the difference.
2753
02:25:15.899 --> 02:25:16.579
I know the difference.
2754
02:25:16.639 --> 02:25:18.610
But the vast majority of people wouldn't know the difference.
2755
02:25:18.639 --> 02:25:21.579
So I just there's that's where the campaign is. Oh,
2756
02:25:21.620 --> 02:25:23.360
you want to you want to get rid of data centers.
2757
02:25:23.379 --> 02:25:25.309
Here's all the things that data centers provide for you.
2758
02:25:25.360 --> 02:25:30.840
I mean, these these companies are so cavalier, so callous that.
2759
02:25:31.329 --> 02:25:34.510
If they wanted to do this correctly, they would go
2760
02:25:34.590 --> 02:25:37.250
into neighborhoods and they would build schools.
2761
02:25:37.709 --> 02:25:39.829
They have the money to do that.
2762
02:25:40.110 --> 02:25:42.889
Or they would be like, hey, this is a solar
2763
02:25:42.989 --> 02:25:46.510
subsidy and we are putting solar on all of these
2764
02:25:46.569 --> 02:25:47.829
houses free of charge.
2765
02:25:47.850 --> 02:25:50.309
Look at what Ford did. Look at what Kodak did.
2766
02:25:50.350 --> 02:25:55.190
Look at what all these big mega industrialists did where
2767
02:25:55.239 --> 02:25:58.899
they built whole towns, they built art galleries and libraries
2768
02:25:58.979 --> 02:26:04.319
and civic centers and performance venues and parks. Yeah. Yeah.
2769
02:26:04.360 --> 02:26:07.200
Because that gets builds you goodwill. These guys don't give
2770
02:26:07.219 --> 02:26:07.979
a shit about that.
2771
02:26:08.440 --> 02:26:08.579
No.
2772
02:26:08.620 --> 02:26:10.129
Why would you, when you can go straight to the
2773
02:26:10.149 --> 02:26:10.629
white house.
2774
02:26:10.950 --> 02:26:13.309
Did you look at what's on top of Elon's data
2775
02:26:13.329 --> 02:26:17.389
center in Tennessee? What it says, one says macro hard
2776
02:26:17.489 --> 02:26:21.030
and the other one says macro harder. That's that's on
2777
02:26:21.090 --> 02:26:23.069
top of the building that you can see from space.
2778
02:26:24.649 --> 02:26:26.010
You know, they don't give a shit about that.
2779
02:26:26.030 --> 02:26:26.969
They're not building goodwill.
2780
02:26:26.989 --> 02:26:29.469
They're bulldozing wetlands to build fucking rocket pads.
2781
02:26:29.909 --> 02:26:33.159
Yeah, because, again, you don't have to go through. You
2782
02:26:33.200 --> 02:26:36.440
can go directly to the White House. You have someone
2783
02:26:36.479 --> 02:26:39.459
in the White House who clearly doesn't give a damn
2784
02:26:39.520 --> 02:26:42.750
about AI, probably doesn't even understand how it works. But
2785
02:26:42.760 --> 02:26:44.790
what he does, what he understands is this is what's
2786
02:26:44.829 --> 02:26:47.690
driving the economy. And his worry is, I think it's
2787
02:26:47.750 --> 02:26:50.649
even less about China, right? I think it is more,
2788
02:26:51.129 --> 02:26:53.950
this is driving the economy. The economy is held up
2789
02:26:54.030 --> 02:26:55.190
right now by five companies.
2790
02:26:55.239 --> 02:26:56.059
By the bubble.
2791
02:26:56.079 --> 02:27:01.219
Yeah. And yeah, anything that would go against that would...
2792
02:27:00.860 --> 02:27:04.379
Because what's the last thing you can say right now?
2793
02:27:04.540 --> 02:27:06.100
Your 401ks are amazing.
2794
02:27:06.540 --> 02:27:06.739
Right.
2795
02:27:06.959 --> 02:27:11.379
And what does that is AI. Yeah. Oh, 100%.
2796
02:27:11.379 --> 02:27:12.989
Look, I'm terrified of this.
2797
02:27:13.430 --> 02:27:16.030
I know they're watching. I know they're listening.
2798
02:27:16.709 --> 02:27:20.950
Like, fucking... whatever, man, you robots, you come for it.
2799
02:27:21.059 --> 02:27:23.500
Like it's, it's all gonna, I'm ready to live off
2800
02:27:23.520 --> 02:27:23.799
the grid.
2801
02:27:23.819 --> 02:27:24.299
I don't care.
2802
02:27:24.760 --> 02:27:26.920
You know, I got firewood. I'm, I'm gonna be fine,
2803
02:27:27.000 --> 02:27:32.709
but this shit is not safe. And at a, at
2804
02:27:32.750 --> 02:27:37.030
a sort of a micro level, watch it make the
2805
02:27:37.069 --> 02:27:42.040
people you work with dumber. It's making them dumber because
2806
02:27:42.079 --> 02:27:44.459
they use the AI to run their emails and respond
2807
02:27:44.479 --> 02:27:47.059
to the emails and even tell them what questions to
2808
02:27:47.319 --> 02:27:50.719
ask in emails. Then when you get them in person
2809
02:27:50.780 --> 02:27:54.989
in a meeting, look at how they're incapable of discussing anything.
2810
02:27:56.329 --> 02:27:58.989
They farmed out all the cognitive thinking to the fucking
2811
02:27:59.030 --> 02:28:02.709
robot and they're getting dumber. Smart people, people I know
2812
02:28:03.149 --> 02:28:07.250
who I respect for being smart individuals are making themselves
2813
02:28:07.670 --> 02:28:13.549
dumber using this technology. And I really think that's a
2814
02:28:14.250 --> 02:28:15.389
very dangerous thing.
2815
02:28:16.069 --> 02:28:19.409
There's a place for it, I think. There is a place.
2816
02:28:19.590 --> 02:28:24.270
Yes, it can sort data, enhance search functions, search and
2817
02:28:24.319 --> 02:28:29.739
match functions, reading documents to find specific things, you know,
2818
02:28:29.879 --> 02:28:32.819
legal code, all of that's really good. The problem is
2819
02:28:33.180 --> 02:28:38.639
hallucination still happens. That's, that's a big problem, right? There,
2820
02:28:39.180 --> 02:28:43.559
there was the meta gave, made the agent, the muse agent, right?
2821
02:28:43.620 --> 02:28:46.719
And I tried to sell things on Facebook marketplace as
2822
02:28:46.780 --> 02:28:48.319
a test and it went and did a bunch of
2823
02:28:48.360 --> 02:28:52.219
stuff without his permission. I sent some rando to his apartment.
2824
02:28:52.760 --> 02:28:55.479
Muse is crazy. I mean, it, there was a report to,
2825
02:28:55.840 --> 02:29:00.430
today or two days ago around somebody is downloaded. I
2826
02:29:00.450 --> 02:29:02.450
think it was a reporter was testing it out and
2827
02:29:03.030 --> 02:29:05.569
they were trying to figure out how it got certain information.
2828
02:29:05.709 --> 02:29:08.750
And even it went through its Mac and the Mac has,
2829
02:29:08.790 --> 02:29:11.600
it's like, there's like, we're going to have access to
2830
02:29:11.620 --> 02:29:12.719
the full disc, right?
2831
02:29:12.739 --> 02:29:14.319
There's full disc mode for certain things.
2832
02:29:14.340 --> 02:29:17.139
And that was turned off. He did not have access
2833
02:29:17.180 --> 02:29:17.450
to it.
2834
02:29:18.040 --> 02:29:22.750
Somehow it was still able to index hundreds of thousands
2835
02:29:22.770 --> 02:29:25.979
of messages and right, of something that it did not,
2836
02:29:26.059 --> 02:29:26.920
it should not have.
2837
02:29:26.840 --> 02:29:27.819
Had access to.
2838
02:29:28.620 --> 02:29:30.360
And, I mean, there's a larger question of, like, why
2839
02:29:30.379 --> 02:29:33.020
would you trust meta with your data? Like, again, we
2840
02:29:33.479 --> 02:29:37.059
know what's going to go on there. But, yeah, all,
2841
02:29:37.120 --> 02:29:39.440
there's no guardrails. I think that's what we.
2842
02:29:39.520 --> 02:29:42.020
Just, there are no. Even more to the point is
2843
02:29:42.069 --> 02:29:45.469
when something like that happens and then the company finds
2844
02:29:45.569 --> 02:29:48.069
out about it, they themselves.
2845
02:29:47.510 --> 02:29:49.190
Don't always know how that happened.
2846
02:29:50.209 --> 02:29:56.079
Because the robot is outfoxing them in real time. that's
2847
02:29:56.120 --> 02:29:59.280
a crazy thing. Like, you know, I'll be working on
2848
02:29:59.319 --> 02:30:02.319
a chiller or something like that. And something weird will happen.
2849
02:30:02.799 --> 02:30:07.200
And it's, it's my like experience and guess that tells
2850
02:30:07.260 --> 02:30:11.090
me what to go look for. But ultimately nothing is
2851
02:30:11.110 --> 02:30:14.530
going to happen in that machine that I don't understand.
2852
02:30:14.870 --> 02:30:15.110
Right.
2853
02:30:16.290 --> 02:30:17.989
That's a, that's a known quantity.
2854
02:30:18.170 --> 02:30:22.770
If there can be unlikely things, but eventually I can
2855
02:30:22.829 --> 02:30:26.190
trace it back to the individual moment that something bad happened.
2856
02:30:26.709 --> 02:30:30.040
There's no mystery in it. There's only time it takes
2857
02:30:30.079 --> 02:30:33.879
to find the problem. With this AI stuff, the people
2858
02:30:33.920 --> 02:30:36.059
who build it, the people who design it, the people
2859
02:30:36.100 --> 02:30:37.979
who train it, all whatever you want to word and
2860
02:30:38.040 --> 02:30:44.329
you use there, often don't actually know how the thing happened.
2861
02:30:46.209 --> 02:30:49.190
And that's very alarming. You can't have a machine that
2862
02:30:49.229 --> 02:30:50.659
you don't know how to fix.
2863
02:30:54.639 --> 02:30:54.819
Yeah.
2864
02:30:55.139 --> 02:30:58.979
I mean, this is going to... I mean, again, five
2865
02:30:59.020 --> 02:31:00.979
years from now, I'm just very interested to see what
2866
02:31:01.020 --> 02:31:01.840
all this.
2867
02:31:01.750 --> 02:31:04.629
Shit is happening. It ain't going to be in five years. Yes,
2868
02:31:04.709 --> 02:31:05.010
it will.
2869
02:31:05.049 --> 02:31:10.170
RoboChipChat. It's going to be RoboTez telling RoboChip that he
2870
02:31:10.209 --> 02:31:12.090
writes inappropriate things about Tennessee.
2871
02:31:12.850 --> 02:31:15.959
Oh, God. You know, look... I guess if it gets
2872
02:31:16.000 --> 02:31:16.860
me another day off.
2873
02:31:17.969 --> 02:31:23.610
How do you know I didn't use an agent to
2874
02:31:23.649 --> 02:31:26.489
write this show? Oh, because it's terrible. All right. That
2875
02:31:26.569 --> 02:31:27.709
brings us to the end of the show.
2876
02:31:28.309 --> 02:31:32.569
All right.
2877
02:31:33.190 --> 02:31:34.829
Here, here we are. It's the end of the show.
2878
02:31:35.250 --> 02:31:37.170
We want to say thank you to Scott for hanging
2879
02:31:37.209 --> 02:31:41.129
out with us. Please go subscribe to his newsletter for
2880
02:31:41.170 --> 02:31:43.899
old DC and, You can go find it anywhere. Google
2881
02:31:44.020 --> 02:31:45.379
for old DC. It'll come up.
2882
02:31:45.899 --> 02:31:52.190
It's on the beehive. That's careful.
2883
02:31:55.690 --> 02:32:01.510
I think our radio partners, open AI and the Eliza program.
2884
02:32:01.549 --> 02:32:02.770
Remember that?
2885
02:32:02.850 --> 02:32:09.459
And it's in for keeping us up to date.
2886
02:32:09.540 --> 02:32:17.149
I don't think the robots are that big. And thanks
2887
02:32:17.229 --> 02:32:19.739
as always to our family here at Beltway and rip
2888
02:32:19.799 --> 02:32:24.360
radio for making us sound as smooth as peps shaved head.
2889
02:32:25.180 --> 02:32:25.500
All right.
2890
02:32:26.879 --> 02:32:29.739
That's a, yeah, he got out, right? That's why he left.
2891
02:32:30.479 --> 02:32:32.559
Where can everybody get you on the socials there? Tez?
2892
02:32:33.120 --> 02:32:35.540
You can find me on blue sky at DC Cortez.
2893
02:32:36.180 --> 02:32:36.440
All right.
2894
02:32:36.459 --> 02:32:38.219
And baseball is over for you. So what are you
2895
02:32:38.239 --> 02:32:38.920
going to do on there?
2896
02:32:38.940 --> 02:32:41.450
I don't know. I, I don't know. I'm fully in
2897
02:32:41.510 --> 02:32:43.309
on my Wizards this year, though, so I might just
2898
02:32:43.329 --> 02:32:44.829
pivot to that. I'm fully in there.
2899
02:32:45.329 --> 02:32:49.870
Okay. Until, like, week six. And they've lost every game
2900
02:32:49.909 --> 02:32:51.579
and can't score more than 40 points.
2901
02:32:52.459 --> 02:32:55.620
No, that's going to be insane. Yeah. No, we'll be
2902
02:32:55.659 --> 02:32:56.379
slightly better than that.
2903
02:32:56.500 --> 02:32:59.860
All right. You can find me on the Twitter and
2904
02:32:59.879 --> 02:33:03.340
the show at ChipChatRR, although we're not there that much.
2905
02:33:03.379 --> 02:33:06.200
And you can find us on Facebook or Instagram at RipChipChat.
2906
02:33:06.569 --> 02:33:08.430
You can of course find me on the blue sky
2907
02:33:08.489 --> 02:33:11.750
with my old Twitter handle at chef chip stirring up trouble.
2908
02:33:12.190 --> 02:33:15.250
By the way, if you are in Batman, Turkey, we
2909
02:33:15.290 --> 02:33:18.299
want to talk to you. There is a city in
2910
02:33:18.350 --> 02:33:23.579
Turkey called Batman. There is a university in Batman called
2911
02:33:23.680 --> 02:33:27.659
Batman university. And there is a soccer team there called
2912
02:33:27.700 --> 02:33:32.440
the called Batman petrol spore. And we want to talk
2913
02:33:32.479 --> 02:33:35.290
to you. If you are in, involved in any of
2914
02:33:35.350 --> 02:33:39.930
those things because we want to know if Batman Turkey
2915
02:33:40.010 --> 02:33:44.780
is aware of the connection to Batman. So, and I
2916
02:33:44.819 --> 02:33:46.719
know that they probably don't pronounce it Batman, but it
2917
02:33:46.739 --> 02:33:50.879
is spelled Batman. It is a regional capital. It's a
2918
02:33:51.000 --> 02:33:53.840
population of about half a million people. There has got
2919
02:33:53.879 --> 02:33:56.500
to be somebody from Batman listening to the show at
2920
02:33:56.540 --> 02:33:59.180
some point. So we, we really want to talk to
2921
02:33:59.200 --> 02:34:01.770
you if you're from Batman Turkey and we want to
2922
02:34:01.870 --> 02:34:05.520
like exchange gifts with or something. I need, I need some,
2923
02:34:05.959 --> 02:34:09.280
I need Batman gear, Batman university gear. They don't have it.
2924
02:34:09.299 --> 02:34:13.379
I went into their website. They don't sell gear. Look,
2925
02:34:14.899 --> 02:34:18.440
there's a very American thing. It does not exist anywhere else.
2926
02:34:18.500 --> 02:34:20.989
But anyway, that's what we want to do. We want
2927
02:34:21.030 --> 02:34:23.209
to talk to you. If you're in Batman, Turkey, I'm chip.
2928
02:34:23.229 --> 02:34:23.770
That's Tez.
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Brian's in the background watching football. You've been listening to
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chip chat on Beltway radio and beyond. Not 1140.
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Batman.
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Out here trying to save the republic like.
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Taz on the golf course it ain't private just public
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when we have a drink in the bar it's not
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We'll see you next time.