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Hello everyone, sorry about the noise, uh the volume issue.
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Okay, welcome to the Chicago Justice Show.
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Uh thank you so much so much for being here.
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Really appreciate it.
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Um I'm Tracy Siska, your host, and also the executive director of the Chicago Justice Project.
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Um, so today we're gonna be talking about the FOPP's uh president's basis taking and the shooting of Adam Tolid.
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We're also gonna be or Toledo star, sorry about that.
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Low-level offenders.
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There's a new study adding out and in an editorial by the Sun-Times about it.
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Um it's gonna be really interesting.
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We're gonna talk about the City Council's moral failings, a comment by Neil Neil Steinberg.
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Um, they have many moral failings.
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Um we're gonna talk about our coverage of weekend gun violence media coverage.
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How do the outlets cover it?
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How do they change from week to week?
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What are they considering the weekend?
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How do they defining it?
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What resources are they putting into covering it?
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It's very interesting.
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It's a new thing on our website.
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We'll talk a little more about that.
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We're gonna give you updates um on two foyer suits that we have ongoing between um the Chicago Police Department and the Cook County State turns off.
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And then at last, we're gonna talk about politician.
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A politician politician, a politician.
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Being a politician is the best possible way, complaining but never offering a plan or a solution.
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You'll know him.
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He's been on this show.
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Okay, so before we get to that, I want to talk to you about our CJP nation.
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That zoom link tonight, I believe it's 7 p.m.
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Okay, and before we get to our next segment, real quick, a week from tonight, starting April 14th, on the 14th, I think it's 7 p.m.
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Our first town hall.
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Rape um reimagining a new paradigm on rape kit transparency.
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Um our guest for that, our well, first of all, our moderator is Alison Bowman.
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Uh Bowman, I'm sorry, moderating.
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She's a journalist at the Chicago trimme, and she's um written on this topic many times.
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And then we're gonna uh panelists include Maria Ballada from Resilience, Illisite Connect from the Joy Hart Foundation, and Donna Piler from the Guardian Angel Community Services.
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So that'll be on the 14th.
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Um, so our usual Wednesday show a week from today will be starting a little later, about an hour and a half later, to so we can do the town hall.
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Okay.
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Here's our first segment.
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FOP President's basis take on shootings.
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Okay, we are going to uh play you some clips, and then we're gonna play a clip talk about it, play a clip talk about it.
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It's really quite an amazing video.
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This comes from his or not his, but the FOP Friday update, they call it, and it's on their YouTube channel.
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We've been monitoring them, and we're gonna bring it to you anytime there's something interesting, and this one definitely is.
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It's mostly about the the shooting of Adam uh Toledo.
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What I want you to listen to and think about when you're when you're listening to the clip and you're watching, think about what facts does he have to make the statement he's making.
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Okay?
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So here's the first clip, and then we'll come back and talk about it.
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All right, good afternoon.
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Friday usual update here.
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Today's topic's gonna be a little more heavy and intense in light of situations that happened this week.
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You know, it's pretty well known that tragically, a member of Lodge 7 CPD was forced to shoot a 13-year-old offender this week, killing him.
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There is now political footballs being tossed around, emotions, and and sadly uh you know the family's getting dragged into this conversation.
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Our heartfelt condolences go out to the family.
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Um it is a tragedy, it's sad no matter how you even try and approach this topic, to think that such a young life ended so violently.
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But the reality is this, and facts do matter.
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There's calls for uh answers and for justice.
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We have no problem with a call for answers.
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A call for answers just is that.
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It explains what happened.
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But a call for justice indicates that there was something wrong that was done.
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That is not a good default position to start from.
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But far too often, politicians and news media that's absolutely where they start every single time because it sensationalizes a story and it gives them an opportunity for the news media specifically to garner viewership for political reasons.
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They think that they're going to solidify a narrative or a base for their own gain.
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And it's sad because our members are quite often thrown under the bus.
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Well, I was there that morning after the shooting occurred, and I can tell you the officer was absolutely shaken by the circumstances of which happened that night because a life was taken, but it was justified.
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So what do we get from that clip?
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We get that he wants a default belief system, right?
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The default will automatically go to if the cop says this happened, then it obviously happened.
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Don't doubt it.
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Is if the cop said it happened, it automatically happened.
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Now, I don't know about you, but I don't know what in their history has earned them that credibility as an institution.
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Not as individuals, like individuals you know that are officers.
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We all know good ones, or we all know some probably ones that shouldn't be cops.
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But what is an institution?
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Lekwan McDonald, John Burge, Austin 10, SOS, Joseph Majinowski, can go on and on and on and on, right?
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What is given them?
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I don't understand what they've earned.
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He talks about facts matter.
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And he talks about the shooting being justified.
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How does he know?
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How does he know?
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I checked with sources.
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The head of the FOP, the president, he hasn't seen the video.
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He wouldn't see this body cam video that we're all waiting to see.
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There's been the controversy, he hasn't seen it.
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So he is most likely just taking the officer's version for granted in stone, absolutely true no matter what.
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Same guy who thought the Quan McDonald shooting was okay, and we'll get to some of his other things later, but that he's done.
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Right?
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But he just wants this to be that's the way it is, just believe the cops all the time.
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Not a great um, not a great way to think about how to make sure that officers are doing the very best job they can on the streets, and this responsibility the criminal justice system has on it, uh placed on it by our constitution to force them to prove someone beyond a uh a reasonable doubt for to be guilty.
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Everything they do must be scrutinized.
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It doesn't mean that you believe they're lying all the time, but it's you just don't trust what people say.
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You're like, okay, but prove it.
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That sounds probably pretty correct, but can you please prove it for us?
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Um, you just don't outright buy it.
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This is what he's done.
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So we're gonna go to clip two, and I'll come back and talk about that one a bit.
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The offender was fleeing from the police with a weapon.
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It's irregardless that he was 13 years old.
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Age does not matter.
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He was running away from the police, and at the time he was shot, he was not shot in the back.
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He had turned to face the police officer who was chasing him.
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That's why he was shot from the front one time.
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The gun was recovered on scene at pretty close proximity to where he fell.
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That's just the reality of this.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with the actions the officer took that night.
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And I just wish the superintendent, the mayor, and even the the news media would quit trying to even give any of this narrative any breathing room whatsoever.
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The mayor and the superintendent have seen this video, I guarantee you.
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And if they haven't, shame on them.
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But the video is pretty clear on what happened.
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Again, simultaneously, whether he was intending to give up, which I know is going to be the narrative, that he was trying to surrender, the officer does not have to wait to be fired upon before firing.
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There is no obligation in our duties, which seemed to be the mindset last summer with the riots, that we had to subject ourselves to certain behavior before we could take action.
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That's not true.
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It's never been true, nor will it ever be true.
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But some people in Springfield might want to try and make that the reality.
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However, it's not.
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And the officers' actions, though tragic and difficult to comprehend, were absolutely justified and accurate.
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So I just want to put that out there right now.
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Again, this isn't to disparage the family or to to make a bad situation worse, but we are forced now to address this topic because other people are trying to use it for game.
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I just wanted to let the officer know and anybody else involved in that situation or anything like that.
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We will always defend your actions when you're justified.
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And we feel this is 100% unjustified.
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You say in there, hey, it's pretty clear from what happened, from the video, what happened.
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My question is, how do you know?
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How do you know what happened?
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You haven't seen the video, it wouldn't be protocol for you to see the video, the body cam video.
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How have you seen it?
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Or are you just relying on what everyone's telling you at the scene?
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When you hear things like the blue wall of silence and that type of thing, this is it.
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This is what you get, right?
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This is officers.
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Um just covering up for other officers no matter what.
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Listen, the shooting was horrific.
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I don't automatically go, no matter who they've the police have shot, to the fact that the police are automatically wronged, that it's an automatically an unjustified shooting.
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I automatically go to I don't want there to be any police shootings.
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I want to reduce them to, I want to do everything we can to reduce them as much as humanly possible for the civilians that are shot or shot at and for the officers that are shot or shot at or doing the shooting.
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I want to reduce them.
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I want to find ways to stop having cops show up to certain things.
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I want to make sure they're the best trained they possibly can be.
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Um, but you're not gonna get there if you just your default position is cover up everything.
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Cover up.
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You're not going to get there.
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I want you to I want to get there, but we're not gonna get there if it's just cover up everything or take the cops' word for it without having to look for proof.
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Excuse me, the other part that came up.
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The gun was recovered pretty close proximity to where he fell.
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President Katanzara, can you um define what pretty close means?
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I mean, I don't think we have a lot of information.
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There's some saying he had a gun.
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There seems to be some confusion about whether he did or not have a gun.
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Did he turn and aim it at the person?
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If he turned and aimed at and got shot in the chest with like, I think a 38 or 45s or what they carry, he's a small 13-year-old kid, he's gonna drop.
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And that's just saying he walked for meters away.
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How close was the gun?
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How far away was it?
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Why?
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How could it have possibly gotten to where it was?
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Maybe there's a legitimate answer to that.
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But that seems pretty um ambiguous at this time.
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Once again, I think he's just taking the officer's word for it.
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That's not something we're gonna do, and it's something he probably shouldn't do either, because his job is really not to just represent that one officer, but the other 12 or 13 or 10,000, because they only represent the patrol officers and the detectives, 10,000 or so officers, whatever the exact number is.
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Um, it isn't just about that.
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Um that one officer.
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So we're gonna go down to our third clip here from this uh Friday update from the FOP.
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This one's a little longer, um, but it's talking about comparing crime statistics.
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And if you were with us on Monday, you will see this is the same issue the media has.
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And we talked about it on Monday.
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Um, but before I rant about it, I'm gonna show you and then we will come back and discuss.
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Uh, that being said, let's move on.
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There's a bill in Springfield.
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We want to talk about violence.
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Let's look at the numbers for 2020 to 2021.
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2020 was an extremely violent year compared to 19, and we're already outpacing the numbers from 2020, just to give you a little example.
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I mean, we're looking at a 43% increase in shootings this year from last year's ridiculous numbers, and over 33% in homicides.
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So that just goes to show you what we're looking at.
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That's not even talking about carjackings, which quite often, again, everybody saw the video, I believe it was in New York, where the Uber Each driver was carjacked by a 13 and a 15-year-old girl, if I'm not mistaken, where he tragically lost his life because he didn't want to give up the car, which I don't blame him.
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Um, but uh it's just a mindset in society today that people can do whatever they want regardless of age.
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Um another argument people make is even offenders running away from the police.
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Well, you shouldn't shoot him in the back.
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You can't the 3653 originally said you couldn't taser somebody in the back.
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They're trying to re-unwind that because uh many people saw the video for the Home Depot shooting.
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That offender literally reached back and shot the security guard who was behind him.
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So people need to stop with this nonsense.
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Every situation is unique, it needs to be addressed as that, and facts need to be absorbed and explained before emotions take over just for somebody to try and get a leg up on whatever their agenda is.
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Um but back to the crime numbers.
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I I gave you the increases.
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Let's uh let's explain how that parlays into reality here.
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Bill 1727 that Representative Tarver put forth about and came out of committee that would eliminate qualified immunity as a defense for officers in state court.
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It would also put officers on the hook for attorney's fees.
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Um and this is an attack on police.
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There's no other way to slice it up.
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But let's look at the four co-sponsors of that bill Representative Tarver, uh Flowers, Buckner, and Collins.
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Here's the numbers.
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So it Tarver's district, representation-wise, is pretty much the second district, the fourth district, the sixth district a little bit.
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Um, and let's look at some numbers in those police districts.
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Now, these four sponsors are literally representing some of the most violent neighborhoods in this city, but they're attacking the police nonetheless because it distracts from their failures as leaders.
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And Flower specifically has been in office for a couple decades and has done absolutely nothing to make the neighborhood that she represents any safer.
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But let's start with the number in Tarver's districts.
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In 2020, violent crime reported, and violent crime is aggravated battery, homicides, rapes, robberies, uh, and such.
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Over 1,060 were reported in 2020 in Representative Tarver's district.
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Uh in this year, that was last year, and he's pretty much on pace to break that.
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Right now they're at 291 through March 30th.
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Representative Flowers, who represents part of the 6th district, the 8th district, and then goes into the southwest burps.
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Literally, Chicago, the portion of her district in Chicago is a little bit of six, the western end of six, and then the southern end of 8th district, and then it goes into the burps.
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But even that small sliver of Chicago that she represents had over 1,035, I believe it is, violent crime reports in 2020 and over 260 this year and counting.
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Representative Buckner, his districts are all the lakefront districts, all the way up into the 18th district, 1st district, 2nd, and so on down the road.
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Um his numbers are ridiculous.
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200 and 2,780 plus uh violent crime reports in 2020, with over 540 already this year in counting.
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And as egregious as that number is, or I shouldn't say that, hold on.
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I'm sorry.
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That was Representative Collins's, who is the 10 the south end of 10 and uh the north end of 10 to south end of 11.
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That's where she represents.
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Buckner's along the lakefront was over 1,800 uh violent crime reports and over 500 this year.
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So again, these people who are trying to champion and yes, I'm using notes for a change because it's hard to remember all these numbers exactly.
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But that being said, there is a clear attack on the law enforcement profession.
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The defund the police movement and that slogan ended up being a disaster in the elections in November, and the Democrats have realized that.
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So I firmly believe that all of these new uh uh bills that are being uh championed, uh discussed, and even proposed or passed is an attempt to make law enforcement a profession that nobody wants to do anymore.
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And if you lose thousands of officers, specifically in Chicago, you will by default you know defund the police because if you have a police force of 9,000 because nobody wants the job, well the budget's gonna shrink and they could take that money and do something else with it.
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All right.
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So he does and exploits the same thing that is being exploited by the media in Chicago, ladies and gentlemen.
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It's invalid, improper, and exploitive to try to compare crime numbers and violence numbers in any major city, pretty much anywhere in the country, if not everywhere in the country.
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Numbers in 2020 and 2021 during the pandemic to any other year in the past or forever in the future, unless another worldwide pandemic hits, and let's hope it's a long time before that comes back.
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We're not even done with the f the one we're in.
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You cannot comp compare these numbers.
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As I said on Monday and previous shows, this is a epic worldwide event throwing tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions, of people around the world into economic health and housing insecurity all at the same time in midst a worldwide pandemic of a um airborne virus that can kill you.
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And is our and has killed at this point enough over 550,000 Americans.
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That alone, not even all the 190 some countries, how many have died worldwide from this?
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You cannot compare the numbers.
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So he's talking about 2021.
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Oh my god, look how much worse it is now than 2020 in the beginning of 2020.
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Yeah, because the pandemic hadn't set in yet, my friend.
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Those numbers were invalid.
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Now, Katanzara there, Mr.
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FOP president, would be arguing the same thing I did if he if the police department actually got held to account for violence and crime numbers.
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They're supposed to be um preventing it, aren't they?
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What the hell are they doing?
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Why aren't these numbers being turned on them and saying you aren't doing your job?
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Police department, police union, what the hell are you doing?
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This is your fault.
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You see, they're trying to flip it and make it politicians' fault.
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Now, to some extent, it actually is politicians' fault.
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But no one could have prepared for this.
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In cities that already had issues, and almost all urban centers have issues with crime and violence, there were going to be, those were going to be heightened under what we've experienced.
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He's trying to exploit it for political points.
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It's an incredibly conservative, incredibly Trumpian perspective.
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Now, I'm going to give you a little insight into President Cotanzara.
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If you haven't already seen it on our show, he is currently stripped of his police powers and cannot.
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He's no longer a police officer, basically.
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He's got a case, maybe two cases now, or they may have merged it and filed additional charges in front of the Chicago Police Board.
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The police department is trying to fire him for the second, third, fourth time.
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He served multiple suspensions.
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He has 50 complaints against him.
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50 individual complaints.
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Some of them have multiple counts for various things.
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But 50 individual major complaints against him.
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Mostly, ladies and gentlemen, internal.
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Now think about the blue wall of silence.
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Think how hard it is to get one cop to turn on another.
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He's had it almost 50 times.
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And served multiple suspensions during that time.
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It's an unbelievable to get criticism.
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Like this guy thinks he's credible on something.
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And I'm going to show you something else.
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I want to show you this.
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Yep.
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That's Mr.
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FOP president.
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Mr.
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FOP President, I think this is on January 7th, if I got those, if I got the date right, if I can read it right.
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He defended those that stormed the Capitol a mile from me, because I'm coming to you from DC, a mile from me.
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He defended the people that stormed the Capitol.
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Killed five people.
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Killed one police officer.
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No, actually, I think a couple police officers died.
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He defended them.
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Now he's had to since come out after like the city blew up and Alderman were calling for his resignation.
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We got the token.
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Oh, I was so sorry.
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I didn't mean it.
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I didn't know they had committed violence.
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Who could look at even the first five minutes of that and think anything that was done there was okay?
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But this is the mentality, this is the political uh leanings of Mr.
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Kotanzara.
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The guy who's sitting there with almost probably no facts that are verifiable.
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And the only really verifiable thing is probably going to be the body camera.
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That's going to be the most independent take on what happened.
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He hasn't seen it yet.
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He's just trusting the cop.
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Why?
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Because this is his way of thinking.
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Although, for instance, it's interesting that he didn't seem to care that they had killed a um a uh a capital police officer that day.
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That didn't seem to um bother him.
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Okay, so we're gonna move on to our second segment today.
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Get off Mr.
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Contin Zara.
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Uh actually, before I get off that, I'm gonna say one last thing.
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I'm starting to get that queasy feeling that this body cam footage may not show what Mr.
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Contin Zara and the Chicago Police Department and Mayor Lightfoot thinks it does.
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They're like interesting language they have used on whether or not Adam Toledo had a gun or the gentleman he was with had a gun in a way that's kind of getting tossed around and trying to deflect.
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I'm I'm a little worried that this video is gonna come out and not show what um the department's hoping it's going to show.
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So, anyways, on to the second segment.
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So we're gonna talk about I think an op-ed.
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Yeah, it's an editorial in the Sun Times, it's not an op-ed, it's an editorial in the Sun Times.
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The tie in the title is another good argument for dealing with low-level nonviolent offenders in a smarter way.
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And I'll do something I don't often do.
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I'm going to agree with the Sun Times editorial board.
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There's a recent report that came out published by the National Bureau of Economic Research, NB NBER, and I know about it because my wife's a PhD Health Economist, so I'm very familiar, and she published recently an NBER report.
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Now, this is not peer-reviewed, so I just want to give you that caveat.
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These are usually um papers that are in the working process that are going to be submitted for peer review, but they're looking to get comments from scholars.
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The only people allowed to publish them are senior, senior researchers that have a um a significant history of peer-reviewed um peer-reviewed writing.
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So there's a little trust built up into them and that it will be high-quality research.
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Excuse me.
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So it is that.
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They looked at 15 years of data.
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And I think this was in Boston, but don't quote me on that.
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Um they looked and basically saw that low-level offenders who were not prosecuted were less likely to re-offend than those that were prosecuted.
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Now, what does this mean for the for for defunding the police and um re um reallocating funds for the criminal justice system, whether it is the prosecutors, the courts, the jails, the police, all of it.
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Well, nationally, more than 80% of all criminal cases that proceed into the justice system are misdemeanors.
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And I agree with the Sun-Times editorial board, that does steal massive, massive amounts of police time in dealing with them.
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Maybe there's a better way.
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Maybe if we have 15 an analysis of 15 years of data that's showing us that those results, if and when this gets peer-reviewed, that's got to be replicated immediately.
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That is a massive finding.
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And that's just proves to us it is time to defund or redistribute it.
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Um, and also bring in a crisis response system, bring in an alternative response system like Cahoots in Eugene, Oregon, um, so that calls that don't require a person with a gun to show up go to crisis responders and not armed officers who don't need to be bothered by these things.
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Now, there's an initiative that's testing this, I think, kind of an experiment with it, I think, since 2018, but I think it only has to do with drugs.
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Now, as I mentioned earlier about our nation meetings, one such nation project is studying the Kahoots program in Eugene, Oregon.
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Tim and Ebony from the Cahoots program were on the show earlier, about late last year, I believe.
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So you can look that up if you want to learn more.
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One of the one of our groups in the nation is studying what it how can Cahoots operates, how it's been replicated around the country.
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Rochester, New York, I think San Diego, I know Denver just they just published, and um, there was just an NPR story about the six-month experiment with it there and how well it went and how it's going to be expanded.
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We need to do this, especially if these numbers hold up through peer review.
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That is an amazing finding.
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And it's time to get police out of a lot of things and send um a better response, a cheaper response, a less armed response, and one that may have um better long-term outcomes.
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Now, people say, oh my god, you're gonna talk about getting rid of police.
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I'm not, and I'm not even talking about not sending that everything we think may or has a good probability of containing violence or has had already violence as part of it.
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At least no one I'm working with is saying that.
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But from that threshold down to the simplest of calls is a huge number, right?
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And you can bet right now, many, many, many, many, very high percentage of those 80% of misdemeanors have no violence in them.
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We're working on a study now with tens of millions of calls from the Office of Emergency Management and Communication, OEMC, what are called police calls for service.
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What do people call 911 for 911 for?
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We have it.
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We have them going back to 1999.
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We're working on a study gonna um figure it out how many calls that go to the CPD by district, by year, are for violence or have a high likelihood of violence occurring, and how many don't.
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And that's gonna be the basis for our work with our work from the nation group on cahoots about pushing for some alternative response.
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But we're gonna use it, we're gonna push for that using facts.
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Want to be part of that research?
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Join us tonight.
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The link for our Zoom meeting is in the chats.
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You can join us tonight at 7.
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Check out what the groups are about.
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Um, there's a bunch of other uh groups made up in the nation that are doing research.
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Um, maybe you can jump on another project.
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Okay, segment three.
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I don't like this guy.
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This, not Trump, because I don't like him, but this is a column by Neil Steinberg.
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I am not a fan, ladies and gentlemen.
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Never have been.
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I've never quoted him.
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Um, unless it's to um critique his work, I've never ever quoted him.
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But I'm about to do that today.
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Not so much because I want to talk about this.
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Um, he frames this moral failure in the terms of the city council failing to or you only agreeing to a very watered-down um, it's not an ordinance.
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Um, it's something weaker than that that escapes me right now.
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Resolution.
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That's the word I'm looking for.
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It's a resolution, watered-down resolution criticizing India for the way they're treating Muslims.
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Okay?
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I am not gonna go down that road, but I am gonna go down the road um on a moral failure because I agree with him.
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It's the epicenter of moral failure and uh ineptitude.
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Both him, I mean the city council and the mayor's office are both epic moral failures on a daily basis.
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Doesn't mean every alderman doesn't mean no, it means just about every mayor, I'm sure, um, has been an epic moral failure, especially on our issue: crime, justice, accountability, transparency.
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Epic, epic failures.
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Um he cites in the report, in his column, he cites a report we did some years ago looking at an analysis of several years of agenda items from what at that time was called the police and fire committee of the Chicago City Council.
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And he talks about how they are just utterly useless and they do nothing to oversee the police or the police accountability system.
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And you know what?
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He's right, and I was right when we did it.
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And um he's right.
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That is what I'm talking about moral failure.
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The city council has the legal obligation to use their powers to oversee the work of the city council and the um, I mean, to oversee the work of the police department, the police accountability system.
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And they have abdicated that responsibility left and right, year after year after year after year after year.
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That is all they do.
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Rinse, repeat.
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That is all they do.
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That is why we are almost seven, we're approaching 730 days in the Lightfoot administration, and we still don't have a community commission.
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Even though she said she'd get it in the first hundred days, even though it was started.
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Let's see, she was elected in 18, right?
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No, two years.
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19 is when she took office.
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She was elected in 19, even though that community commission was being pushed by communities three years before she came into office.
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Five years later, we still don't have it.
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Okay, we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be back in one minute to talk about uh some CJP um work, media uh weekend media coverage and some of our FOIA work, and then we're gonna talk about that politician to end it.
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Alright, we are back.
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So in this segment, I want to talk about a new project we have.
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It's been ongoing for several weeks now.
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And it's basically our weekend, it's our it's a gets posted late on Mondays, and it's basically our um our beginning analysis of weekend media coverage of gun violence that occurs over the weekend.
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Why we're doing this is that the media in Chicago, and when I say that we're talking about the Tribune, the Sun Times, Channel 2, 5, 7, 9, and Fox.
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Just those seven outlets.
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We look at those seven outlets and we analyze every weekend how many stories do they do?
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What are they about?
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Are they doing them?
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Are they picking up wire stories?
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How are they defining the weekend?
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Now that sounds like a kind of a weird thing to do, but this has been a problem with um this has been a problem for a long time with the media.
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They have, especially on holiday weekends, because you know, we shift days, and it isn't the same day every year, the 4th of July, or right.
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They shift or alter or change, depending on when the day off is and everything, the definition of a weekend.
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So some weekends may have three days, some may have four, it all depends.
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Now, that's a huge problem because what the media then does is they're like, well, this 4th of July weekend, it had so much more violence than last one.
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Well, that's interesting because there are 24 hours more in this weekend than last one that you included, or two years ago, or four years ago, or five.
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If you're not going to keep consistency, you cannot under any circumstances compare year to year.
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And honestly, the year-to-year comparisons for the most part are bogus.
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But don't tell the media that they love doing them.
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They will be lost if they can't do their canned media stories about this 4th of July or this Memorial Day or Labor Day or New Year's weekend or Christmas weekend, uh Martin Luther King weekend.
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You got more or less violence.
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They have to be able to do that.
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Um, we're taking our this is our crack at starting this analysis.
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It's not, you know, is it the best thing that's ever hit uh the sky?
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Absolutely not, but we're working on it.
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If you read it and you've got ideas and suggestions for things you'd want to see, we're open to it.
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But I really think we're off to a good start with this and weekend media coverage.
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Um, we hope to expand it, but it's gonna take time, and it's also gonna take time.
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I would love to get data on three, four, or five years of every weekend covered, and we're gonna look at how the that changes over time and by the seasons and weather patterns.
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There's all kinds of different ways of doing it.
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This is our start of it.
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Um, we hope you like it.
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Okay, segment number five.
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We're gonna give you some updates on ongoing FOIA litigation.
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Um, let's see, first one, Chicago Police Department.
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So now this post, there's a post on our website now that will um that will give you a it's basically a running blog and it'll give you updates on the litigation.
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Now, why is that important?
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Well, for one thing, the Chicago Police Department is we are entering the third birthday of our lawsuit.
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Third.
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Third.
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They don't want to give up their data.
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Period.
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They're fighting like cats and dogs to stop us from getting their data.
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They're just refusing.
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It's the most ridiculous lawsuit in the world.
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It is wasting taxpayer money like you can't believe.
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Our lawyers are pro bono.
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Uh, thank the Lord for um in this case it's Lovey and Lovey.
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Merrick, Merrick, um, Merrick Wayne, Matt Topic, kicking butt over there at Lovey for us.
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You know, we're winning, we're racking up victories in this, and um, the CPD is still fighting it like crazy.
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Um, and you'll see it that the first real blog entry is a recent victory in court, which is we served the CPD our first discovery request.
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So it's a set of interrogatories and some discovery requests mixed in, and it's gonna be um it's gonna be really interesting to see what they produce as part of that.
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Um, what I think you're going to get is them kicking and screaming the whole way and delaying as long as possible because three years hasn't been long enough.
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Um, we have them looking for an analysis.
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Uh, part of what's still open is that analysis they told the city council they did related to the thousand-man hire that Rama announced September 22nd, I think, of 2016.
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Remember that?
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Well, they went and told the city council and the Sun Times we did a top-to-bottom analysis.
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We know exactly how many officers wait they need.
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They've already whiffed three times at providing that to us.
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I'm sorry, they whiffed um twice and then they told tried to get to court to um not force them to look anymore, and they lost that.
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And um so they're still looking for that, which is mind-boggling.
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And um, they're also looking, we have a police call, we have a call for service issue out that's still going.
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So calls for service are 911 calls.
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The police department, the CPD grabs those calls, that date, the metadata on those calls from the Office of Emergency Management and Communications every year and stores it in their in their uh warehouses because OEMC deletes that data four years to the day every day.
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Unbelievable.
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So the CPD has it in their um and they're Data warehouses, we wanted data back to night from like 1999 to 2016.
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I think it may have been 17.
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And in their unbelievable ways, for the first nine years or so of our requests, they did provide us data.
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13% of what they say in their annual reports during those years from 1999 to like 2007 or 8.
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13% of the calls that are in the annual reports, if you add them up, 13%.
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They can't tell us why.
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They have no idea.
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And then in the other uh nine years, I think it is, they provide us on average 145% of the calls.
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One year, 198% of the calls.
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Just, I mean, how do you get 198% of something?
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How do you average 145% of something?
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Only in Chicago, only in Foyas could you get that?
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It's so ridiculous.
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So that's one of our lawsuits.
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The second um lawsuit that's ongoing here is the Cook County State Attorney's Office.
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We filed, this is our second lawsuit against Kim Fox.
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Why shouldn't say that?
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It's our second lawsuit against the office.
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We sued Anita Alvarez.
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I think it was in 2015.
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Kim settled in mid-early to mid-2017.
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I think they we came to an agreement in like March or April or something like that.
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And then in the summer is when they actually provided the data.
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They withheld it to just about the time that they published their own dashboard.
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Um I'm sure that wasn't on purpose.
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Um, but we have a lawsuit.
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Um, they broke that settlement agreement that they settled with us.
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Unbelievable, I know it is.
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They um and they forced us.
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We filed new FOIAs and we sold the old FOIA'cause they didn't give us the data in the right format.
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Um, and they just refused to honor the old agreement, they refused to honor any new FOIAs.
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It's a clown show over there for sure.
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Um, for an office that is responsible for prosecuting people for life and death crimes, they are so unbelievably incompetent on some things.
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And FOIA is definitely one.
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It's laughable.
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Um, so in that update, that we're gonna have a running update of that litigation, and the first post in that one is that we won a um basically a discovery issue.
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They, the CP, the state attorney's office moved to dismiss, they were gonna try to dismiss the whole case.
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They couldn't.
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They could only they were only allowed to file a motion to dismiss on the um old issues around the settlement agreement.
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They did that.
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They were able to file that motion.
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I think it's gonna be heard in May.
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Um, but the judge didn't allow them to file a motion to dismiss on the current and most active ones that aren't part of the first litigation.
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And she also authorized the uh serving of discovery requests on the state's attorneys.
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So we um sent in several pages of discovery requests and interrogatories.
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So we will be getting um, well, I shouldn't say that, we should be getting under the law answers to those.
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Um and one of the big sticking points is they're telling us, believe it or not, that it's too difficult to export data from their database, and that their database only, a Microsoft database that I think they spent around$3 million on back in 2005, and only exports in one single format.
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One.
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And that's Microsoft SQL Server, a proprietary format that is incredibly hard to open up if you're using open source technologies.
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We don't believe that's true, and I'm sure our discovery is going to prove that that's untrue.
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We'll see if that makes a difference and whether these things get settled quickly.
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But both those blogs are gonna be running, and we will be coming back to you on the show and letting you know when they're updated.
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Okay, so our final segment tonight.
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Politicians acting like politicians.
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One thing you can guarantee there's never a shortage of machine-hired, machine blessed politicians, or even machine-like politicians, who will exploit anything they possibly can to score political points, no matter how detrimental those criticisms are to society.
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There's never an ending.
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So let's talk about someone who, by the way, I think took ninth in our last mayoral election.
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So, I mean, he was right on the cusp of like, you know, being very, very far away from eighth place.
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That's an incredible spot to be eighth place in a mayor's race.
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Paul Vallis, ex-CEO of the Chicago Public Schools, he was on the show much earlier in the summer uh talking about city finances.
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I'm gonna try to get him back on to talk about the crepova he puts out on shootings.
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He is, I mean, I got I sometimes I think him and um Bob Fioretti either switch places or they're the same person with different masks on, because God, they both like to complain about something, but they do not ever have a solution.
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So here's Paul Vallison.
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If you're listening in the podcast version, I'm going to read the post.
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Another mass shooting in Chicago, seven shot in Inglewood last night, over 70 incidents of multiple people shot in Chicago this year.
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Another child, a 20-month-old, shot downtown in broad daylight.
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Oh my god.
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Why are these shootings not drawing the attention of our elected officials?
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That's a complaint, Paul.
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You're a politician exploiting violence to try to get points.
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I'm shocked.
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Shocked.
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I mean, does a day go by when someone in Chicago doesn't try to exploit the violence?
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You took ninth in the mayor's race.
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That's how well liked you are in Chicago.
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It might help if you stopped complaining and started putting forth plans that you could be held to account if they were horrible.
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One we we did a segment on his show a couple weeks ago about Paul.
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He he put a plan out on social media, Facebook, and Twitter about the need to create a the city needs to create an um a city-run um witness protect excuse me, excuse me, a witness protection program.
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Think about that one.
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And he said in the post, which was startling, that it's not the fact that people don't trust the police in communities where they don't cooperate with the police.
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It's that they're just scared.
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It has nothing to do with the police behavior.
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How much wider can Paul get that he is oblivious to the impact that John Burge had on communities of color?
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That he was oblivious to the impact of the Laquan McDonald case.
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He was oblivious to the impact of the SOS scandal, special operations scandal, that was kidnapping black and brown people just off the street and robbing them.
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How oblivious do you have to be?
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Well, pretty oblivious.
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So when that plan got kind of ridiculed by me and others, Paula's back to being a politician, exploiting crime and violence for political points.
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It's sad, but this is Chicago, right?
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I think it was Rahmanuel who said it that got quoted in the White House never let a scandal go to waste.
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There's always a way to exploit it for your purposes.
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I mean, that is that of all the things that are the Chicago way, that is the Chicago way.
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There's no doubt.
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Um it's sad.
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Uh we'll be featuring, I'm sure we'll be featuring his Facebook and Twitter posts more often.
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They're sad, they're kind of funny.
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Um they remind me a lot of Fear Ready.
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Fear Ready's kind of fallen off.
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He's good every Sunday or Monday morning for a post about the violence, too, without ever putting a plan together.
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Because that's how you run for office.
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You don't have plans, you just have uh vague complaints that you're gonna do something and then never do it.
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Okay.
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Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for joining us today.
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I really appreciate it.
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We'll be back on Friday at 5:30.
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Remember, in the chats on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, and Twitch, you can get the Zoom link to our meeting tonight at 7 p.m.
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Hello everyone, sorry about the noise, uh the volume issue.
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Okay, welcome to the Chicago Justice Show.
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Uh thank you so much so much for being here.
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Really appreciate it.
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Um I'm Tracy Siska, your host, and also the executive director of the Chicago Justice Project.
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Um, so today we're gonna be talking about the FOPP's uh president's basis taking and the shooting of Adam Tolid.
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We're also gonna be or Toledo star, sorry about that.
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Low-level offenders.
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There's a new study adding out and in an editorial by the Sun-Times about it.
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Um it's gonna be really interesting.
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We're gonna talk about the City Council's moral failings, a comment by Neil Neil Steinberg.
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Um, they have many moral failings.
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Um we're gonna talk about our coverage of weekend gun violence media coverage.
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How do the outlets cover it?
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How do they change from week to week?
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What are they considering the weekend?
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How do they defining it?
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What resources are they putting into covering it?
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It's very interesting.
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It's a new thing on our website.
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We'll talk a little more about that.
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We're gonna give you updates um on two foyer suits that we have ongoing between um the Chicago Police Department and the Cook County State turns off.
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And then at last, we're gonna talk about politician.
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A politician politician, a politician.
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Being a politician is the best possible way, complaining but never offering a plan or a solution.
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You'll know him.
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He's been on this show.
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Okay, so before we get to that, I want to talk to you about our CJP nation.
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This is a where our volunteers and interns come together.
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We now have a hundred and fifty people working with the Chicago Justice Pro.
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And so what do they do?
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Crowdsource research project, public policy advocacy, social media ambassadorships, and digital activism.
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All of that.
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The reason I'm bringing it up, you'll see uh hopefully soon that you'll see uh the Zoom link posted in the chat.
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That zoom link tonight, I believe it's 7 p.m.
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Central, we have our weekly strategy meetings, and you can come learn about the projects and join one if you're interested.
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Okay, and before we get to our next segment, real quick, a week from tonight, starting April 14th, on the 14th, I think it's 7 p.m.
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Our first town hall.
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Rape um reimagining a new paradigm on rape kit transparency.
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Um our guest for that, our well, first of all, our moderator is Alison Bowman.
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Uh Bowman, I'm sorry, moderating.
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She's a journalist at the Chicago trimme, and she's um written on this topic many times.
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And then we're gonna uh panelists include Maria Ballada from Resilience, Illisite Connect from the Joy Hart Foundation, and Donna Piler from the Guardian Angel Community Services.
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So that'll be on the 14th.
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Um, so our usual Wednesday show a week from today will be starting a little later, about an hour and a half later, to so we can do the town hall.
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Okay.
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Here's our first segment.
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FOP President's basis take on shootings.
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Okay, we are going to uh play you some clips, and then we're gonna play a clip talk about it, play a clip talk about it.
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It's really quite an amazing video.
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This comes from his or not his, but the FOP Friday update, they call it, and it's on their YouTube channel.
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We've been monitoring them, and we're gonna bring it to you anytime there's something interesting, and this one definitely is.
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It's mostly about the the shooting of Adam uh Toledo.
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What I want you to listen to and think about when you're when you're listening to the clip and you're watching, think about what facts does he have to make the statement he's making.
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Okay?
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So here's the first clip, and then we'll come back and talk about it.
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All right, good afternoon.
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Friday usual update here.
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Today's topic's gonna be a little more heavy and intense in light of situations that happened this week.
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You know, it's pretty well known that tragically, a member of Lodge 7 CPD was forced to shoot a 13-year-old offender this week, killing him.
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There is now political footballs being tossed around, emotions, and and sadly uh you know the family's getting dragged into this conversation.
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Our heartfelt condolences go out to the family.
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Um it is a tragedy, it's sad no matter how you even try and approach this topic, to think that such a young life ended so violently.
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But the reality is this, and facts do matter.
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There's calls for uh answers and for justice.
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We have no problem with a call for answers.
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A call for answers just is that.
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It explains what happened.
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But a call for justice indicates that there was something wrong that was done.
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That is not a good default position to start from.
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But far too often, politicians and news media that's absolutely where they start every single time because it sensationalizes a story and it gives them an opportunity for the news media specifically to garner viewership for political reasons.
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They think that they're going to solidify a narrative or a base for their own gain.
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And it's sad because our members are quite often thrown under the bus.
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Well, I was there that morning after the shooting occurred, and I can tell you the officer was absolutely shaken by the circumstances of which happened that night because a life was taken, but it was justified.
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So what do we get from that clip?
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We get that he wants a default belief system, right?
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The default will automatically go to if the cop says this happened, then it obviously happened.
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Don't doubt it.
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Is if the cop said it happened, it automatically happened.
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Now, I don't know about you, but I don't know what in their history has earned them that credibility as an institution.
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Not as individuals, like individuals you know that are officers.
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We all know good ones, or we all know some probably ones that shouldn't be cops.
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But what is an institution?
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Lekwan McDonald, John Burge, Austin 10, SOS, Joseph Majinowski, can go on and on and on and on, right?
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What is given them?
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I don't understand what they've earned.
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He talks about facts matter.
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And he talks about the shooting being justified.
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How does he know?
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How does he know?
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I checked with sources.
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The head of the FOP, the president, he hasn't seen the video.
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He wouldn't see this body cam video that we're all waiting to see.
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There's been the controversy, he hasn't seen it.
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So he is most likely just taking the officer's version for granted in stone, absolutely true no matter what.
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Same guy who thought the Quan McDonald shooting was okay, and we'll get to some of his other things later, but that he's done.
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Right?
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But he just wants this to be that's the way it is, just believe the cops all the time.
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Not a great um, not a great way to think about how to make sure that officers are doing the very best job they can on the streets, and this responsibility the criminal justice system has on it, uh placed on it by our constitution to force them to prove someone beyond a uh a reasonable doubt for to be guilty.
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Everything they do must be scrutinized.
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It doesn't mean that you believe they're lying all the time, but it's you just don't trust what people say.
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You're like, okay, but prove it.
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That sounds probably pretty correct, but can you please prove it for us?
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Um, you just don't outright buy it.
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This is what he's done.
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So we're gonna go to clip two, and I'll come back and talk about that one a bit.
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The offender was fleeing from the police with a weapon.
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It's irregardless that he was 13 years old.
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Age does not matter.
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He was running away from the police, and at the time he was shot, he was not shot in the back.
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He had turned to face the police officer who was chasing him.
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That's why he was shot from the front one time.
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The gun was recovered on scene at pretty close proximity to where he fell.
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That's just the reality of this.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with the actions the officer took that night.
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And I just wish the superintendent, the mayor, and even the the news media would quit trying to even give any of this narrative any breathing room whatsoever.
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The mayor and the superintendent have seen this video, I guarantee you.
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And if they haven't, shame on them.
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But the video is pretty clear on what happened.
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Again, simultaneously, whether he was intending to give up, which I know is going to be the narrative, that he was trying to surrender, the officer does not have to wait to be fired upon before firing.
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There is no obligation in our duties, which seemed to be the mindset last summer with the riots, that we had to subject ourselves to certain behavior before we could take action.
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That's not true.
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It's never been true, nor will it ever be true.
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But some people in Springfield might want to try and make that the reality.
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However, it's not.
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And the officers' actions, though tragic and difficult to comprehend, were absolutely justified and accurate.
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So I just want to put that out there right now.
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Again, this isn't to disparage the family or to to make a bad situation worse, but we are forced now to address this topic because other people are trying to use it for game.
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I just wanted to let the officer know and anybody else involved in that situation or anything like that.
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We will always defend your actions when you're justified.
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And we feel this is 100% unjustified.
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You say in there, hey, it's pretty clear from what happened, from the video, what happened.
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My question is, how do you know?
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How do you know what happened?
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You haven't seen the video, it wouldn't be protocol for you to see the video, the body cam video.
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How have you seen it?
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Or are you just relying on what everyone's telling you at the scene?
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When you hear things like the blue wall of silence and that type of thing, this is it.
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This is what you get, right?
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This is officers.
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Um just covering up for other officers no matter what.
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Listen, the shooting was horrific.
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I don't automatically go, no matter who they've the police have shot, to the fact that the police are automatically wronged, that it's an automatically an unjustified shooting.
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I automatically go to I don't want there to be any police shootings.
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I want to reduce them to, I want to do everything we can to reduce them as much as humanly possible for the civilians that are shot or shot at and for the officers that are shot or shot at or doing the shooting.
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I want to reduce them.
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I want to find ways to stop having cops show up to certain things.
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I want to make sure they're the best trained they possibly can be.
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Um, but you're not gonna get there if you just your default position is cover up everything.
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Cover up.
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You're not going to get there.
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I want you to I want to get there, but we're not gonna get there if it's just cover up everything or take the cops' word for it without having to look for proof.
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Excuse me, the other part that came up.
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The gun was recovered pretty close proximity to where he fell.
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President Katanzara, can you um define what pretty close means?
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I mean, I don't think we have a lot of information.
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There's some saying he had a gun.
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There seems to be some confusion about whether he did or not have a gun.
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Did he turn and aim it at the person?
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If he turned and aimed at and got shot in the chest with like, I think a 38 or 45s or what they carry, he's a small 13-year-old kid, he's gonna drop.
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And that's just saying he walked for meters away.
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How close was the gun?
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How far away was it?
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Why?
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How could it have possibly gotten to where it was?
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Maybe there's a legitimate answer to that.
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But that seems pretty um ambiguous at this time.
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Once again, I think he's just taking the officer's word for it.
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That's not something we're gonna do, and it's something he probably shouldn't do either, because his job is really not to just represent that one officer, but the other 12 or 13 or 10,000, because they only represent the patrol officers and the detectives, 10,000 or so officers, whatever the exact number is.
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Um, it isn't just about that.
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Um that one officer.
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So we're gonna go down to our third clip here from this uh Friday update from the FOP.
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This one's a little longer, um, but it's talking about comparing crime statistics.
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And if you were with us on Monday, you will see this is the same issue the media has.
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And we talked about it on Monday.
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Um, but before I rant about it, I'm gonna show you and then we will come back and discuss.
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Uh, that being said, let's move on.
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There's a bill in Springfield.
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We want to talk about violence.
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Let's look at the numbers for 2020 to 2021.
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2020 was an extremely violent year compared to 19, and we're already outpacing the numbers from 2020, just to give you a little example.
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I mean, we're looking at a 43% increase in shootings this year from last year's ridiculous numbers, and over 33% in homicides.
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So that just goes to show you what we're looking at.
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That's not even talking about carjackings, which quite often, again, everybody saw the video, I believe it was in New York, where the Uber Each driver was carjacked by a 13 and a 15-year-old girl, if I'm not mistaken, where he tragically lost his life because he didn't want to give up the car, which I don't blame him.
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Um, but uh it's just a mindset in society today that people can do whatever they want regardless of age.
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Um another argument people make is even offenders running away from the police.
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Well, you shouldn't shoot him in the back.
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You can't the 3653 originally said you couldn't taser somebody in the back.
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They're trying to re-unwind that because uh many people saw the video for the Home Depot shooting.
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That offender literally reached back and shot the security guard who was behind him.
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So people need to stop with this nonsense.
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Every situation is unique, it needs to be addressed as that, and facts need to be absorbed and explained before emotions take over just for somebody to try and get a leg up on whatever their agenda is.
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Um but back to the crime numbers.
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I I gave you the increases.
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Let's uh let's explain how that parlays into reality here.
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Bill 1727 that Representative Tarver put forth about and came out of committee that would eliminate qualified immunity as a defense for officers in state court.
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It would also put officers on the hook for attorney's fees.
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Um and this is an attack on police.
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There's no other way to slice it up.
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But let's look at the four co-sponsors of that bill Representative Tarver, uh Flowers, Buckner, and Collins.
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Here's the numbers.
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So it Tarver's district, representation-wise, is pretty much the second district, the fourth district, the sixth district a little bit.
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Um, and let's look at some numbers in those police districts.
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Now, these four sponsors are literally representing some of the most violent neighborhoods in this city, but they're attacking the police nonetheless because it distracts from their failures as leaders.
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And Flower specifically has been in office for a couple decades and has done absolutely nothing to make the neighborhood that she represents any safer.
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But let's start with the number in Tarver's districts.
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In 2020, violent crime reported, and violent crime is aggravated battery, homicides, rapes, robberies, uh, and such.
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Over 1,060 were reported in 2020 in Representative Tarver's district.
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Uh in this year, that was last year, and he's pretty much on pace to break that.
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Right now they're at 291 through March 30th.
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Representative Flowers, who represents part of the 6th district, the 8th district, and then goes into the southwest burps.
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Literally, Chicago, the portion of her district in Chicago is a little bit of six, the western end of six, and then the southern end of 8th district, and then it goes into the burps.
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But even that small sliver of Chicago that she represents had over 1,035, I believe it is, violent crime reports in 2020 and over 260 this year and counting.
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Representative Buckner, his districts are all the lakefront districts, all the way up into the 18th district, 1st district, 2nd, and so on down the road.
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Um his numbers are ridiculous.
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200 and 2,780 plus uh violent crime reports in 2020, with over 540 already this year in counting.
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And as egregious as that number is, or I shouldn't say that, hold on.
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I'm sorry.
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That was Representative Collins's, who is the 10 the south end of 10 and uh the north end of 10 to south end of 11.
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That's where she represents.
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Buckner's along the lakefront was over 1,800 uh violent crime reports and over 500 this year.
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So again, these people who are trying to champion and yes, I'm using notes for a change because it's hard to remember all these numbers exactly.
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But that being said, there is a clear attack on the law enforcement profession.
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The defund the police movement and that slogan ended up being a disaster in the elections in November, and the Democrats have realized that.
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So I firmly believe that all of these new uh uh bills that are being uh championed, uh discussed, and even proposed or passed is an attempt to make law enforcement a profession that nobody wants to do anymore.
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And if you lose thousands of officers, specifically in Chicago, you will by default you know defund the police because if you have a police force of 9,000 because nobody wants the job, well the budget's gonna shrink and they could take that money and do something else with it.
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All right.
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So he does and exploits the same thing that is being exploited by the media in Chicago, ladies and gentlemen.
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It's invalid, improper, and exploitive to try to compare crime numbers and violence numbers in any major city, pretty much anywhere in the country, if not everywhere in the country.
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Numbers in 2020 and 2021 during the pandemic to any other year in the past or forever in the future, unless another worldwide pandemic hits, and let's hope it's a long time before that comes back.
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We're not even done with the f the one we're in.
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You cannot comp compare these numbers.
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As I said on Monday and previous shows, this is a epic worldwide event throwing tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions, of people around the world into economic health and housing insecurity all at the same time in midst a worldwide pandemic of a um airborne virus that can kill you.
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And is our and has killed at this point enough over 550,000 Americans.
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That alone, not even all the 190 some countries, how many have died worldwide from this?
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You cannot compare the numbers.
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So he's talking about 2021.
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Oh my god, look how much worse it is now than 2020 in the beginning of 2020.
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Yeah, because the pandemic hadn't set in yet, my friend.
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Those numbers were invalid.
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Now, Katanzara there, Mr.
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FOP president, would be arguing the same thing I did if he if the police department actually got held to account for violence and crime numbers.
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They're supposed to be um preventing it, aren't they?
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What the hell are they doing?
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Why aren't these numbers being turned on them and saying you aren't doing your job?
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Police department, police union, what the hell are you doing?
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This is your fault.
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You see, they're trying to flip it and make it politicians' fault.
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Now, to some extent, it actually is politicians' fault.
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But no one could have prepared for this.
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In cities that already had issues, and almost all urban centers have issues with crime and violence, there were going to be, those were going to be heightened under what we've experienced.
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He's trying to exploit it for political points.
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It's an incredibly conservative, incredibly Trumpian perspective.
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Now, I'm going to give you a little insight into President Cotanzara.
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If you haven't already seen it on our show, he is currently stripped of his police powers and cannot.
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He's no longer a police officer, basically.
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He's got a case, maybe two cases now, or they may have merged it and filed additional charges in front of the Chicago Police Board.
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The police department is trying to fire him for the second, third, fourth time.
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He served multiple suspensions.
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He has 50 complaints against him.
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50 individual complaints.
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Some of them have multiple counts for various things.
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But 50 individual major complaints against him.
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Mostly, ladies and gentlemen, internal.
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Now think about the blue wall of silence.
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Think how hard it is to get one cop to turn on another.
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He's had it almost 50 times.
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And served multiple suspensions during that time.
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It's an unbelievable to get criticism.
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Like this guy thinks he's credible on something.
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And I'm going to show you something else.
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I want to show you this.
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Yep.
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That's Mr.
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FOP president.
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Mr.
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FOP President, I think this is on January 7th, if I got those, if I got the date right, if I can read it right.
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He defended those that stormed the Capitol a mile from me, because I'm coming to you from DC, a mile from me.
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He defended the people that stormed the Capitol.
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Killed five people.
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Killed one police officer.
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No, actually, I think a couple police officers died.
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He defended them.
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Now he's had to since come out after like the city blew up and Alderman were calling for his resignation.
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We got the token.
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Oh, I was so sorry.
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I didn't mean it.
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I didn't know they had committed violence.
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Who could look at even the first five minutes of that and think anything that was done there was okay?
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But this is the mentality, this is the political uh leanings of Mr.
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Kotanzara.
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The guy who's sitting there with almost probably no facts that are verifiable.
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And the only really verifiable thing is probably going to be the body camera.
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That's going to be the most independent take on what happened.
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He hasn't seen it yet.
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He's just trusting the cop.
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Why?
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Because this is his way of thinking.
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Although, for instance, it's interesting that he didn't seem to care that they had killed a um a uh a capital police officer that day.
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That didn't seem to um bother him.
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Okay, so we're gonna move on to our second segment today.
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Get off Mr.
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Contin Zara.
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Uh actually, before I get off that, I'm gonna say one last thing.
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I'm starting to get that queasy feeling that this body cam footage may not show what Mr.
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Contin Zara and the Chicago Police Department and Mayor Lightfoot thinks it does.
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They're like interesting language they have used on whether or not Adam Toledo had a gun or the gentleman he was with had a gun in a way that's kind of getting tossed around and trying to deflect.
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I'm I'm a little worried that this video is gonna come out and not show what um the department's hoping it's going to show.
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So, anyways, on to the second segment.
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So we're gonna talk about I think an op-ed.
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Yeah, it's an editorial in the Sun Times, it's not an op-ed, it's an editorial in the Sun Times.
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The tie in the title is another good argument for dealing with low-level nonviolent offenders in a smarter way.
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And I'll do something I don't often do.
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I'm going to agree with the Sun Times editorial board.
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There's a recent report that came out published by the National Bureau of Economic Research, NB NBER, and I know about it because my wife's a PhD Health Economist, so I'm very familiar, and she published recently an NBER report.
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Now, this is not peer-reviewed, so I just want to give you that caveat.
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These are usually um papers that are in the working process that are going to be submitted for peer review, but they're looking to get comments from scholars.
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The only people allowed to publish them are senior, senior researchers that have a um a significant history of peer-reviewed um peer-reviewed writing.
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So there's a little trust built up into them and that it will be high-quality research.
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Excuse me.
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So it is that.
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They looked at 15 years of data.
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And I think this was in Boston, but don't quote me on that.
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Um they looked and basically saw that low-level offenders who were not prosecuted were less likely to re-offend than those that were prosecuted.
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Now, what does this mean for the for for defunding the police and um re um reallocating funds for the criminal justice system, whether it is the prosecutors, the courts, the jails, the police, all of it.
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Well, nationally, more than 80% of all criminal cases that proceed into the justice system are misdemeanors.
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And I agree with the Sun-Times editorial board, that does steal massive, massive amounts of police time in dealing with them.
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Maybe there's a better way.
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Maybe if we have 15 an analysis of 15 years of data that's showing us that those results, if and when this gets peer-reviewed, that's got to be replicated immediately.
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That is a massive finding.
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And that's just proves to us it is time to defund or redistribute it.
00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:38.960
Um, and also bring in a crisis response system, bring in an alternative response system like Cahoots in Eugene, Oregon, um, so that calls that don't require a person with a gun to show up go to crisis responders and not armed officers who don't need to be bothered by these things.
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Now, there's an initiative that's testing this, I think, kind of an experiment with it, I think, since 2018, but I think it only has to do with drugs.
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Now, as I mentioned earlier about our nation meetings, one such nation project is studying the Kahoots program in Eugene, Oregon.
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Tim and Ebony from the Cahoots program were on the show earlier, about late last year, I believe.
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So you can look that up if you want to learn more.
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One of the one of our groups in the nation is studying what it how can Cahoots operates, how it's been replicated around the country.
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Rochester, New York, I think San Diego, I know Denver just they just published, and um, there was just an NPR story about the six-month experiment with it there and how well it went and how it's going to be expanded.
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We need to do this, especially if these numbers hold up through peer review.
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That is an amazing finding.
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And it's time to get police out of a lot of things and send um a better response, a cheaper response, a less armed response, and one that may have um better long-term outcomes.
00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:59.359
Now, people say, oh my god, you're gonna talk about getting rid of police.
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I'm not, and I'm not even talking about not sending that everything we think may or has a good probability of containing violence or has had already violence as part of it.
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At least no one I'm working with is saying that.
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But from that threshold down to the simplest of calls is a huge number, right?
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And you can bet right now, many, many, many, many, very high percentage of those 80% of misdemeanors have no violence in them.
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We're working on a study now with tens of millions of calls from the Office of Emergency Management and Communication, OEMC, what are called police calls for service.
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What do people call 911 for 911 for?
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We have it.
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We have them going back to 1999.
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We're working on a study gonna um figure it out how many calls that go to the CPD by district, by year, are for violence or have a high likelihood of violence occurring, and how many don't.
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And that's gonna be the basis for our work with our work from the nation group on cahoots about pushing for some alternative response.
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But we're gonna use it, we're gonna push for that using facts.
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Want to be part of that research?
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Join us tonight.
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The link for our Zoom meeting is in the chats.
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You can join us tonight at 7.
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Check out what the groups are about.
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Um, there's a bunch of other uh groups made up in the nation that are doing research.
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Um, maybe you can jump on another project.
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Okay, segment three.
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I don't like this guy.
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This, not Trump, because I don't like him, but this is a column by Neil Steinberg.
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I am not a fan, ladies and gentlemen.
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Never have been.
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I've never quoted him.
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Um, unless it's to um critique his work, I've never ever quoted him.
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But I'm about to do that today.
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Not so much because I want to talk about this.
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Um, he frames this moral failure in the terms of the city council failing to or you only agreeing to a very watered-down um, it's not an ordinance.
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Um, it's something weaker than that that escapes me right now.
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Resolution.
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That's the word I'm looking for.
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It's a resolution, watered-down resolution criticizing India for the way they're treating Muslims.
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Okay?
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I am not gonna go down that road, but I am gonna go down the road um on a moral failure because I agree with him.
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It's the epicenter of moral failure and uh ineptitude.
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Both him, I mean the city council and the mayor's office are both epic moral failures on a daily basis.
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Doesn't mean every alderman doesn't mean no, it means just about every mayor, I'm sure, um, has been an epic moral failure, especially on our issue: crime, justice, accountability, transparency.
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Epic, epic failures.
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Um he cites in the report, in his column, he cites a report we did some years ago looking at an analysis of several years of agenda items from what at that time was called the police and fire committee of the Chicago City Council.
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And he talks about how they are just utterly useless and they do nothing to oversee the police or the police accountability system.
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And you know what?
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He's right, and I was right when we did it.
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And um he's right.
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That is what I'm talking about moral failure.
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The city council has the legal obligation to use their powers to oversee the work of the city council and the um, I mean, to oversee the work of the police department, the police accountability system.
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And they have abdicated that responsibility left and right, year after year after year after year after year.
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That is all they do.
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Rinse, repeat.
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That is all they do.
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That is why we are almost seven, we're approaching 730 days in the Lightfoot administration, and we still don't have a community commission.
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Even though she said she'd get it in the first hundred days, even though it was started.
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Let's see, she was elected in 18, right?
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No, two years.
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19 is when she took office.
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She was elected in 19, even though that community commission was being pushed by communities three years before she came into office.
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Five years later, we still don't have it.
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Okay, we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be back in one minute to talk about uh some CJP um work, media uh weekend media coverage and some of our FOIA work, and then we're gonna talk about that politician to end it.
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CJP Nation.
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Alright, we are back.
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So in this segment, I want to talk about a new project we have.
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It's been ongoing for several weeks now.
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And it's basically our weekend, it's our it's a gets posted late on Mondays, and it's basically our um our beginning analysis of weekend media coverage of gun violence that occurs over the weekend.
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Why we're doing this is that the media in Chicago, and when I say that we're talking about the Tribune, the Sun Times, Channel 2, 5, 7, 9, and Fox.
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Just those seven outlets.
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We look at those seven outlets and we analyze every weekend how many stories do they do?
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What are they about?
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Are they doing them?
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Are they picking up wire stories?
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How are they defining the weekend?
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Now that sounds like a kind of a weird thing to do, but this has been a problem with um this has been a problem for a long time with the media.
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They have, especially on holiday weekends, because you know, we shift days, and it isn't the same day every year, the 4th of July, or right.
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They shift or alter or change, depending on when the day off is and everything, the definition of a weekend.
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So some weekends may have three days, some may have four, it all depends.
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Now, that's a huge problem because what the media then does is they're like, well, this 4th of July weekend, it had so much more violence than last one.
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Well, that's interesting because there are 24 hours more in this weekend than last one that you included, or two years ago, or four years ago, or five.
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If you're not going to keep consistency, you cannot under any circumstances compare year to year.
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And honestly, the year-to-year comparisons for the most part are bogus.
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But don't tell the media that they love doing them.
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They will be lost if they can't do their canned media stories about this 4th of July or this Memorial Day or Labor Day or New Year's weekend or Christmas weekend, uh Martin Luther King weekend.
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You got more or less violence.
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They have to be able to do that.
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Um, we're taking our this is our crack at starting this analysis.
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It's not, you know, is it the best thing that's ever hit uh the sky?
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Absolutely not, but we're working on it.
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If you read it and you've got ideas and suggestions for things you'd want to see, we're open to it.
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But I really think we're off to a good start with this and weekend media coverage.
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Um, we hope to expand it, but it's gonna take time, and it's also gonna take time.
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I would love to get data on three, four, or five years of every weekend covered, and we're gonna look at how the that changes over time and by the seasons and weather patterns.
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There's all kinds of different ways of doing it.
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This is our start of it.
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Um, we hope you like it.
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Okay, segment number five.
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We're gonna give you some updates on ongoing FOIA litigation.
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Um, let's see, first one, Chicago Police Department.
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So now this post, there's a post on our website now that will um that will give you a it's basically a running blog and it'll give you updates on the litigation.
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Now, why is that important?
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Well, for one thing, the Chicago Police Department is we are entering the third birthday of our lawsuit.
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Third.
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Third.
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They don't want to give up their data.
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Period.
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They're fighting like cats and dogs to stop us from getting their data.
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They're just refusing.
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It's the most ridiculous lawsuit in the world.
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It is wasting taxpayer money like you can't believe.
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Our lawyers are pro bono.
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Uh, thank the Lord for um in this case it's Lovey and Lovey.
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Merrick, Merrick, um, Merrick Wayne, Matt Topic, kicking butt over there at Lovey for us.
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You know, we're winning, we're racking up victories in this, and um, the CPD is still fighting it like crazy.
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Um, and you'll see it that the first real blog entry is a recent victory in court, which is we served the CPD our first discovery request.
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So it's a set of interrogatories and some discovery requests mixed in, and it's gonna be um it's gonna be really interesting to see what they produce as part of that.
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Um, what I think you're going to get is them kicking and screaming the whole way and delaying as long as possible because three years hasn't been long enough.
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Um, we have them looking for an analysis.
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Uh, part of what's still open is that analysis they told the city council they did related to the thousand-man hire that Rama announced September 22nd, I think, of 2016.
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Remember that?
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Well, they went and told the city council and the Sun Times we did a top-to-bottom analysis.
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We know exactly how many officers wait they need.
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They've already whiffed three times at providing that to us.
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I'm sorry, they whiffed um twice and then they told tried to get to court to um not force them to look anymore, and they lost that.
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And um so they're still looking for that, which is mind-boggling.
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And um, they're also looking, we have a police call, we have a call for service issue out that's still going.
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So calls for service are 911 calls.
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The police department, the CPD grabs those calls, that date, the metadata on those calls from the Office of Emergency Management and Communications every year and stores it in their in their uh warehouses because OEMC deletes that data four years to the day every day.
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Unbelievable.
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So the CPD has it in their um and they're Data warehouses, we wanted data back to night from like 1999 to 2016.
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I think it may have been 17.
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And in their unbelievable ways, for the first nine years or so of our requests, they did provide us data.
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13% of what they say in their annual reports during those years from 1999 to like 2007 or 8.
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13% of the calls that are in the annual reports, if you add them up, 13%.
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They can't tell us why.
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They have no idea.
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And then in the other uh nine years, I think it is, they provide us on average 145% of the calls.
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One year, 198% of the calls.
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Just, I mean, how do you get 198% of something?
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How do you average 145% of something?
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Only in Chicago, only in Foyas could you get that?
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It's so ridiculous.
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So that's one of our lawsuits.
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The second um lawsuit that's ongoing here is the Cook County State Attorney's Office.
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We filed, this is our second lawsuit against Kim Fox.
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Why shouldn't say that?
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It's our second lawsuit against the office.
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We sued Anita Alvarez.
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I think it was in 2015.
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Kim settled in mid-early to mid-2017.
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I think they we came to an agreement in like March or April or something like that.
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And then in the summer is when they actually provided the data.
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They withheld it to just about the time that they published their own dashboard.
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Um I'm sure that wasn't on purpose.
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Um, but we have a lawsuit.
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Um, they broke that settlement agreement that they settled with us.
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Unbelievable, I know it is.
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They um and they forced us.
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We filed new FOIAs and we sold the old FOIA'cause they didn't give us the data in the right format.
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Um, and they just refused to honor the old agreement, they refused to honor any new FOIAs.
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It's a clown show over there for sure.
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Um, for an office that is responsible for prosecuting people for life and death crimes, they are so unbelievably incompetent on some things.
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And FOIA is definitely one.
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It's laughable.
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Um, so in that update, that we're gonna have a running update of that litigation, and the first post in that one is that we won a um basically a discovery issue.
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They, the CP, the state attorney's office moved to dismiss, they were gonna try to dismiss the whole case.
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They couldn't.
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They could only they were only allowed to file a motion to dismiss on the um old issues around the settlement agreement.
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They did that.
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They were able to file that motion.
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I think it's gonna be heard in May.
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Um, but the judge didn't allow them to file a motion to dismiss on the current and most active ones that aren't part of the first litigation.
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And she also authorized the uh serving of discovery requests on the state's attorneys.
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So we um sent in several pages of discovery requests and interrogatories.
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So we will be getting um, well, I shouldn't say that, we should be getting under the law answers to those.
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Um and one of the big sticking points is they're telling us, believe it or not, that it's too difficult to export data from their database, and that their database only, a Microsoft database that I think they spent around$3 million on back in 2005, and only exports in one single format.
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One.
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And that's Microsoft SQL Server, a proprietary format that is incredibly hard to open up if you're using open source technologies.
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We don't believe that's true, and I'm sure our discovery is going to prove that that's untrue.
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We'll see if that makes a difference and whether these things get settled quickly.
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But both those blogs are gonna be running, and we will be coming back to you on the show and letting you know when they're updated.
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Okay, so our final segment tonight.
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Politicians acting like politicians.
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One thing you can guarantee there's never a shortage of machine-hired, machine blessed politicians, or even machine-like politicians, who will exploit anything they possibly can to score political points, no matter how detrimental those criticisms are to society.
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There's never an ending.
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So let's talk about someone who, by the way, I think took ninth in our last mayoral election.
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So, I mean, he was right on the cusp of like, you know, being very, very far away from eighth place.
00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:04.559
That's an incredible spot to be eighth place in a mayor's race.
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Paul Vallis, ex-CEO of the Chicago Public Schools, he was on the show much earlier in the summer uh talking about city finances.
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I'm gonna try to get him back on to talk about the crepova he puts out on shootings.
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He is, I mean, I got I sometimes I think him and um Bob Fioretti either switch places or they're the same person with different masks on, because God, they both like to complain about something, but they do not ever have a solution.
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So here's Paul Vallison.
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If you're listening in the podcast version, I'm going to read the post.
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Another mass shooting in Chicago, seven shot in Inglewood last night, over 70 incidents of multiple people shot in Chicago this year.
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Another child, a 20-month-old, shot downtown in broad daylight.
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Oh my god.
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Why are these shootings not drawing the attention of our elected officials?
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That's a complaint, Paul.
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You're a politician exploiting violence to try to get points.
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I'm shocked.
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Shocked.
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I mean, does a day go by when someone in Chicago doesn't try to exploit the violence?
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You took ninth in the mayor's race.
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That's how well liked you are in Chicago.
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It might help if you stopped complaining and started putting forth plans that you could be held to account if they were horrible.
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One we we did a segment on his show a couple weeks ago about Paul.
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He he put a plan out on social media, Facebook, and Twitter about the need to create a the city needs to create an um a city-run um witness protect excuse me, excuse me, a witness protection program.
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Think about that one.
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And he said in the post, which was startling, that it's not the fact that people don't trust the police in communities where they don't cooperate with the police.
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It's that they're just scared.
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It has nothing to do with the police behavior.
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How much wider can Paul get that he is oblivious to the impact that John Burge had on communities of color?
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That he was oblivious to the impact of the Laquan McDonald case.
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He was oblivious to the impact of the SOS scandal, special operations scandal, that was kidnapping black and brown people just off the street and robbing them.
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How oblivious do you have to be?
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Well, pretty oblivious.
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So when that plan got kind of ridiculed by me and others, Paula's back to being a politician, exploiting crime and violence for political points.
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It's sad, but this is Chicago, right?
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I think it was Rahmanuel who said it that got quoted in the White House never let a scandal go to waste.
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There's always a way to exploit it for your purposes.
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I mean, that is that of all the things that are the Chicago way, that is the Chicago way.
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There's no doubt.
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Um it's sad.
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Uh we'll be featuring, I'm sure we'll be featuring his Facebook and Twitter posts more often.
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They're sad, they're kind of funny.
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Um they remind me a lot of Fear Ready.
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Fear Ready's kind of fallen off.
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He's good every Sunday or Monday morning for a post about the violence, too, without ever putting a plan together.
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Because that's how you run for office.
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You don't have plans, you just have uh vague complaints that you're gonna do something and then never do it.
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Okay.
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Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for joining us today.
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I really appreciate it.
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We'll be back on Friday at 5:30.
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Remember, in the chats on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, and Twitch, you can get the Zoom link to our meeting tonight at 7 p.m.
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Hope we see you tonight.
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I will see you Friday at 530 Central.
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