WEBVTT
00:00:15.410 --> 00:00:18.649
Welcome to Cheerio Chat. This is Grandpa Pete.
00:00:19.519 --> 00:00:22.899
Today, we're going to talk with two young women
00:00:22.899 --> 00:00:26.780
who happen to be my granddaughters about the
00:00:26.780 --> 00:00:28.960
dreams and plans they have for their future.
00:00:29.550 --> 00:00:33.490
For some, plans after high school can seem ordered
00:00:33.490 --> 00:00:37.409
and definite. For others, the choices seem chaotic
00:00:37.409 --> 00:00:41.439
and unsettling. As a high schooler, my dreams
00:00:41.439 --> 00:00:45.250
were frequently changing, and I never would have
00:00:45.250 --> 00:00:57.460
imagined. where I would have ended up. I'm really
00:00:57.460 --> 00:01:01.320
delighted today to welcome Ellie Giles. Ellie
00:01:01.320 --> 00:01:04.099
just happens to be my granddaughter, but she's
00:01:04.099 --> 00:01:09.079
so much more. So I would like to welcome Ellie
00:01:09.079 --> 00:01:13.180
to Grandpa Pete's Cheerio Chat. Ellie, good to
00:01:13.180 --> 00:01:16.099
have you here. Hi, thank you so much for having
00:01:16.099 --> 00:01:20.480
me. So Ellie, tell us a few things about yourself
00:01:20.480 --> 00:01:23.719
that you would like people to think about you.
00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:28.239
Hi, I'm Ellie. I'm a senior in high school and
00:01:28.239 --> 00:01:31.659
I play basketball and I coach. I spend most of
00:01:31.659 --> 00:01:34.200
my time working at my family basketball gym.
00:01:34.659 --> 00:01:37.400
And yeah, I just love to like spend time with
00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:40.340
other people. Well, maybe you should tell us
00:01:40.340 --> 00:01:42.519
just a little bit about Dribble and Swish. That's
00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:45.219
the name of your family business, isn't it? Yes.
00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:48.579
Dribble and Swish. It's a local basketball gym.
00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:52.079
We do classes or people can rent out the court.
00:01:52.719 --> 00:01:54.599
But yeah, it's just something for the community
00:01:54.599 --> 00:01:57.260
to play basketball in. Now, tell us about your
00:01:57.260 --> 00:02:01.159
playing for your high school. It's great. So
00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:04.319
our school is an 8A school, which means that
00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:07.340
there's around 3 ,000 kids. So we play like the
00:02:07.340 --> 00:02:10.629
best of the best schools in the state. So it
00:02:10.629 --> 00:02:12.430
can be really tricky, but we work really hard.
00:02:12.509 --> 00:02:15.590
So it's fun. What do you like most about playing
00:02:15.590 --> 00:02:18.530
basketball for Apex Friendship? I have lots of
00:02:18.530 --> 00:02:22.009
friends on the team, and I think we all... like
00:02:22.009 --> 00:02:24.050
when we play together it really feels like a
00:02:24.050 --> 00:02:27.469
win for the whole team like we work together
00:02:27.469 --> 00:02:30.629
we all play well it just we all have a way that
00:02:30.629 --> 00:02:32.710
like we cheer each other up and it just is a
00:02:32.710 --> 00:02:37.199
great community what part do you play in that
00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:43.620
um i'm the tallest on the team okay i i have
00:02:43.620 --> 00:02:46.599
to i have to guard all the tall people which
00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:50.520
is hard but as a more on this more social side
00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:55.520
i I am a team captain this year, and I try to
00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:58.340
host things at Dribble and Swish a lot so that
00:02:58.340 --> 00:03:01.370
the girls can get more time to play. Let's hope
00:03:01.370 --> 00:03:03.729
you have a great season this year, but it is
00:03:03.729 --> 00:03:06.930
your senior year. Tell us about what that means
00:03:06.930 --> 00:03:10.650
and what your future is going to hold. It's great.
00:03:10.729 --> 00:03:13.449
I love senior year. I have a pretty light schedule,
00:03:13.590 --> 00:03:17.250
so I get to spend lots of time focusing on myself
00:03:17.250 --> 00:03:19.849
and my plans for the future. Currently, what
00:03:19.849 --> 00:03:22.810
my plans are is that I'm going to go on a mission
00:03:22.810 --> 00:03:25.229
right after high school. And when I get back,
00:03:25.250 --> 00:03:28.669
hopefully I can go to BYU Provo. Okay, so a mission
00:03:28.669 --> 00:03:31.629
for? The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day
00:03:31.629 --> 00:03:34.650
Saints. Okay, terrific. Yeah, because there are
00:03:34.650 --> 00:03:37.509
some people that might not know what going on
00:03:37.509 --> 00:03:41.110
a mission means or for whom. So what made you
00:03:41.110 --> 00:03:45.210
decide to do that? So at my church, we have sister
00:03:45.210 --> 00:03:48.469
missionaries that serve, and they invite me to
00:03:48.469 --> 00:03:51.819
go out with them a lot. And every time I go,
00:03:51.979 --> 00:03:55.300
I just love teaching people about Jesus Christ
00:03:55.300 --> 00:03:58.259
and then also serving others. So I think a mission
00:03:58.259 --> 00:04:00.159
would just be a great opportunity to just spread
00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:03.120
love wherever I go. Who do you go to for your
00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:06.539
advice about the future? Have you had some examples
00:04:06.539 --> 00:04:09.099
of people that you really respect and admire
00:04:09.099 --> 00:04:12.479
like your coaches? I usually go first to my parents.
00:04:13.150 --> 00:04:15.509
Me and my dad, we talk more about like the basketball
00:04:15.509 --> 00:04:18.009
stuff, the basketball side of things or business.
00:04:18.509 --> 00:04:21.310
But my mom gives really great advice. So I love
00:04:21.310 --> 00:04:24.230
talking to her about stuff like that. I do like
00:04:24.230 --> 00:04:26.589
I have co -workers that are adults, like they're
00:04:26.589 --> 00:04:29.149
adult coaches, but they work at my gym. I like
00:04:29.149 --> 00:04:32.209
talking to them over some stuff that I have really
00:04:32.209 --> 00:04:34.149
good young women's leaders at my church, like
00:04:34.149 --> 00:04:37.870
youth leaders. And they get also I love talking
00:04:37.870 --> 00:04:40.430
to them and like hearing their advice. Well,
00:04:40.449 --> 00:04:44.629
when you go to BYU, what are you going to prepare
00:04:44.629 --> 00:04:47.610
for in the world? I'm going to, I will hopefully
00:04:47.610 --> 00:04:50.189
want to study nursing there. What's made you
00:04:50.189 --> 00:04:52.750
decide that? Kind of same thing with the mission.
00:04:52.810 --> 00:04:55.470
I just really like helping people. And I especially
00:04:55.470 --> 00:04:57.750
want to be a pediatric nurse, which can be really
00:04:57.750 --> 00:05:00.629
hard, but like it ties in with the coaching part
00:05:00.629 --> 00:05:03.730
really well. Do you have any worries about the
00:05:03.730 --> 00:05:06.470
future? Well, I think right now it's all, I'm
00:05:06.470 --> 00:05:09.769
just kind of waiting. to see what happens because
00:05:09.769 --> 00:05:13.470
I can't know if I get into BYU until February.
00:05:13.829 --> 00:05:17.569
So that's going to take a couple months. I can't
00:05:17.569 --> 00:05:21.790
apply for my mission until April. So I feel like
00:05:21.790 --> 00:05:24.149
right now it's just like I'm getting impatient.
00:05:24.649 --> 00:05:29.269
Really? I see. We all have to work all of our
00:05:29.269 --> 00:05:33.009
lives to learn is how to be patient. What advice
00:05:33.009 --> 00:05:36.470
would you give younger people about what to do?
00:05:36.889 --> 00:05:39.149
to get ready for the future what i would say
00:05:39.149 --> 00:05:43.009
for that is just to try to do as many things
00:05:43.009 --> 00:05:46.230
as you can like not necessarily academic things
00:05:46.230 --> 00:05:50.089
but play a sport join a club like you want to
00:05:50.089 --> 00:05:52.550
do these different activities that can give you
00:05:52.550 --> 00:05:55.389
more unique perspectives on the world because
00:05:55.389 --> 00:05:58.170
if you stay like in one lane all of high school
00:05:58.170 --> 00:06:00.910
like you're gonna probably stay that way the
00:06:00.910 --> 00:06:03.050
rest of your life but if you branch out then
00:06:03.050 --> 00:06:05.230
you can really find out what really makes you
00:06:05.230 --> 00:06:10.730
you I think that's the money answer. I love that.
00:06:10.850 --> 00:06:13.370
And I hope everybody that's hearing this can
00:06:13.370 --> 00:06:16.410
get something out of hearing Ellie talk about
00:06:16.410 --> 00:06:20.449
her future and the advice she's given to us today.
00:06:27.889 --> 00:06:32.709
We're thrilled to have Alice Giles on the podcast.
00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:39.439
She's my granddaughter, and she is getting ready
00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:43.560
to go to college to change her life. in some
00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:46.300
very significant ways it's great to have you
00:06:46.300 --> 00:06:49.319
here alice thanks for having me tell us about
00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:53.199
yourself well my name is alice and i am grandpa
00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:56.899
pete's granddaughter and i have been working
00:06:56.899 --> 00:07:00.420
at a preschool for the past year i graduated
00:07:00.420 --> 00:07:06.449
in 2025 from short high school and i Just have
00:07:06.449 --> 00:07:09.490
been working to save up some money for college.
00:07:09.730 --> 00:07:13.149
You've been scrimping and saving. Yes. Yes. I've
00:07:13.149 --> 00:07:16.810
been trying my best. But I mean, I have spent
00:07:16.810 --> 00:07:19.290
more money than I'd like to admit. Like just
00:07:19.290 --> 00:07:23.009
kind of living at home and going on adventures
00:07:23.009 --> 00:07:26.970
and eating out sometimes. But that's more of
00:07:26.970 --> 00:07:31.550
a me problem. I see. But you're ready to start.
00:07:31.850 --> 00:07:34.769
in college and you've you've saved a lot of what
00:07:34.769 --> 00:07:38.329
you need to get there it sounds like yeah the
00:07:38.329 --> 00:07:40.850
most discouraging thing about it is that it it
00:07:40.850 --> 00:07:43.529
still doesn't feel like enough like you could
00:07:43.529 --> 00:07:46.129
work for a full year and it still doesn't enough
00:07:46.129 --> 00:07:49.189
feel I'm going to be quite honest. Maybe don't
00:07:49.189 --> 00:07:51.290
put this in the podcast, but like I only have
00:07:51.290 --> 00:07:53.529
enough money for like one year right now. And
00:07:53.529 --> 00:07:56.589
I guess the point of me going to college is figuring
00:07:56.589 --> 00:07:58.370
out what my options are from there, you know,
00:07:58.370 --> 00:08:00.529
and what connections I can make there and what
00:08:00.529 --> 00:08:03.430
I'm looking to do in the future. You've got reasons
00:08:03.430 --> 00:08:07.209
to be concerned about the future. And, you know,
00:08:07.209 --> 00:08:09.610
and it sounds like you're thinking about it in
00:08:09.610 --> 00:08:14.689
a serious and reflective way. So what tell us
00:08:14.689 --> 00:08:17.680
about what your plans are. I get to Western Oregon
00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:23.839
on Monday, so that's September 21st. And from
00:08:23.839 --> 00:08:26.319
there, I'm going to go to all the events that
00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:30.279
are on my school's schedule for orientation week.
00:08:30.579 --> 00:08:33.820
I'm going to probably join some clubs. I want
00:08:33.820 --> 00:08:36.519
to go straight to the gaming club because that's
00:08:36.519 --> 00:08:38.700
something that will remind me of home, I guess,
00:08:38.820 --> 00:08:40.919
if I feel homesick, because I would always play
00:08:40.919 --> 00:08:44.159
video games with my brothers. I finally can put
00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:48.279
that useless skill to work and kind of showcase
00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:50.700
it a little bit and make some friends along the
00:08:50.700 --> 00:08:53.559
way. But also like reach out to other places,
00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:56.539
like give maybe student council another try because
00:08:56.539 --> 00:09:00.320
the student council at my old school that I was
00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:05.669
a part of kind of was not very diverse in terms
00:09:05.669 --> 00:09:08.009
of like their interests and stuff. And so I think,
00:09:08.009 --> 00:09:13.289
you know, I could scope out that area. I guess
00:09:13.289 --> 00:09:17.889
my plan for the next year is to just meet as
00:09:17.889 --> 00:09:20.269
many people as I can, kind of get out of my shell
00:09:20.269 --> 00:09:23.110
and get out of the same pattern I've been living
00:09:23.110 --> 00:09:25.230
in for the past year where I just work and then
00:09:25.230 --> 00:09:28.230
come home and play video games or do digipix
00:09:28.230 --> 00:09:31.710
or whatever it is. My goal for college is to
00:09:31.710 --> 00:09:34.850
just try new things and put myself out there
00:09:34.850 --> 00:09:36.750
because I really don't have anything to lose
00:09:36.750 --> 00:09:40.009
when I'm... putting all my money into this, you
00:09:40.009 --> 00:09:42.950
know? Yeah, right. Well, you're going to make
00:09:42.950 --> 00:09:46.350
it count, it sounds like. And it sounds like
00:09:46.350 --> 00:09:48.929
one of your big goals is to really meet a lot
00:09:48.929 --> 00:09:52.830
of people and meet diverse people, maybe different
00:09:52.830 --> 00:09:56.049
than the people you've grown up with, you know,
00:09:56.049 --> 00:09:58.269
in terms of their backgrounds and their attitudes
00:09:58.269 --> 00:10:02.350
and things like that. Alice, tell us about Western
00:10:02.350 --> 00:10:05.889
Oregon University and why you decided to go there.
00:10:05.990 --> 00:10:08.049
It's a public school just south of Portland.
00:10:08.190 --> 00:10:11.590
It's about an hour away. And I chose it mainly
00:10:11.590 --> 00:10:14.429
because it's the cheapest option around, despite
00:10:14.429 --> 00:10:19.110
it being like $30 ,000 a year. And I like having
00:10:19.110 --> 00:10:22.809
like a designated space for school and work and
00:10:22.809 --> 00:10:24.809
then a designated place where I could just chill
00:10:24.809 --> 00:10:27.570
and hang out with my family at home. And so going
00:10:27.570 --> 00:10:30.679
to Western Oregon would... provide me the necessary
00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:33.559
separation from the house that I've lived in
00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:37.379
for 16 years and kind of grow on my own. I chose
00:10:37.379 --> 00:10:40.820
Western Oregon because it's kind of smaller and
00:10:40.820 --> 00:10:43.919
it's kind of close to home. Can you elaborate
00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:46.179
a little bit on what you're planning to study?
00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:49.100
I'm going into my academics with a very open
00:10:49.100 --> 00:10:52.419
mind of what I want to go in. like what i want
00:10:52.419 --> 00:10:54.460
to major in i'm leaning more towards psychology
00:10:54.460 --> 00:10:59.039
as of now but i'm kind of like you i i hear where
00:10:59.039 --> 00:11:01.279
i am really interested in a lot of different
00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:03.940
things and it's kind of hard to to just settle
00:11:03.940 --> 00:11:06.419
on one thing for the rest of my life and that's
00:11:06.419 --> 00:11:08.940
kind of scary to think about it's just there
00:11:08.940 --> 00:11:11.480
i have to choose one thing and go into that field
00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:14.039
i mean i have a college degree and i'm not limited
00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:16.600
to you have to be a therapist or you have to
00:11:16.600 --> 00:11:18.820
be a psychiatrist or whatever like there's there's
00:11:18.820 --> 00:11:21.740
other avenues to go down yes Using college as
00:11:21.740 --> 00:11:24.899
a waypoint for what direction I want to go into.
00:11:25.100 --> 00:11:26.820
And I can always come back and try something
00:11:26.820 --> 00:11:29.480
else if it isn't working out. And I know that
00:11:29.480 --> 00:11:31.600
my parents will be there to support me. Just
00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:33.639
kind of have to figure it out on my own, despite
00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:36.240
not having a solid plan right now. And I think
00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:39.000
that's part of the college experience. It's just
00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:42.440
trying things that you would never try back at
00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:45.080
home. What are you signed up for? Do you have
00:11:45.080 --> 00:11:47.360
an unusual class? One that, you know, you said
00:11:47.360 --> 00:11:49.480
you'd try anything, you know, when you go to
00:11:49.480 --> 00:11:53.480
college? Well, one of the classes that fall into
00:11:53.480 --> 00:11:56.240
my general education requirements is a costume
00:11:56.240 --> 00:12:00.419
design class. I'm not sure if it's actually making
00:12:00.419 --> 00:12:02.659
costumes or just designing, but whatever it is,
00:12:02.700 --> 00:12:04.799
it's going to be different and fun and another
00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:07.259
side of theater that I've never really delved
00:12:07.259 --> 00:12:10.779
into. And so I'm excited to design some costumes.
00:12:10.899 --> 00:12:15.220
And I think that will be really good for my creative
00:12:15.220 --> 00:12:18.139
side because I've kind of suppressed that for
00:12:18.139 --> 00:12:21.490
the past couple years. just because I know it's
00:12:21.490 --> 00:12:25.450
less likely to become like a job than a hobby,
00:12:25.570 --> 00:12:29.169
you know? Yeah, like I know I'm getting very
00:12:29.169 --> 00:12:32.070
discouraged about my future as an artist too
00:12:32.070 --> 00:12:34.610
at this time. And so I think college will help
00:12:34.610 --> 00:12:37.309
me realize that there's other people still trying
00:12:37.309 --> 00:12:40.409
to make art out there and they have something
00:12:40.409 --> 00:12:43.409
to say. i can contribute to that conversation
00:12:43.409 --> 00:12:46.149
through my art i've seen both your artistic and
00:12:46.149 --> 00:12:48.409
dramatic talent is that something you're going
00:12:48.409 --> 00:12:50.850
to be able to pursue at western oregon yeah i
00:12:50.850 --> 00:12:53.710
mean there's there i just got an email for auditions
00:12:53.710 --> 00:12:56.710
for the school musical now i the audition process
00:12:56.710 --> 00:12:58.929
just thinking about it makes me kind of want
00:12:58.929 --> 00:13:02.549
to throw up but i will be brave because i've
00:13:02.549 --> 00:13:05.210
worked really hard for this and so just be a
00:13:05.210 --> 00:13:08.350
ways not to not to try it and not to even like
00:13:08.350 --> 00:13:10.250
go to the audition in the first place. So yeah,
00:13:10.330 --> 00:13:12.610
like I want to expand on these hobbies that I've
00:13:12.610 --> 00:13:14.990
had in the past through like high school classes
00:13:14.990 --> 00:13:17.049
and through like the high school curriculum.
00:13:17.669 --> 00:13:19.669
Because I feel like I've lost that side of me
00:13:19.669 --> 00:13:23.570
since graduating. Well, I think you've got an
00:13:23.570 --> 00:13:27.970
enormous talent, just period, that you are going
00:13:27.970 --> 00:13:30.870
to be able to do some very interesting things
00:13:30.870 --> 00:13:34.350
for sure. And the challenge will always be in
00:13:34.350 --> 00:13:37.230
the future is converting that to income, you
00:13:37.230 --> 00:13:40.210
know. But you can't worry too much about that
00:13:40.210 --> 00:13:44.549
at this stage. You're in a fresh new time of
00:13:44.549 --> 00:13:48.129
making choices and trying some new things and
00:13:48.129 --> 00:13:51.289
of building on the talents that you know you
00:13:51.289 --> 00:13:54.049
enjoy and that you know you have. Where do you
00:13:54.049 --> 00:13:56.830
go to advice for your future? How do you talk
00:13:56.830 --> 00:13:59.909
to people, some people who you've been able to
00:13:59.909 --> 00:14:03.409
counsel with and get their ideas? I really just...
00:14:03.820 --> 00:14:07.600
kind of talk to my family nowadays. And so my
00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:11.620
dad and my mom have been really helpful in validating
00:14:11.620 --> 00:14:15.340
my feelings about this uncertainty that I feel,
00:14:15.500 --> 00:14:18.360
that it's pretty normal for people my age. And
00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:20.759
it's good that I'm not just, you know, jumping
00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:23.480
to one thing and sticking with that, even though
00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:25.379
I haven't tried other things, you know? I mean,
00:14:25.379 --> 00:14:27.980
it's awesome when people know exactly what they
00:14:27.980 --> 00:14:30.120
want to do. That just makes... things a lot easier,
00:14:30.259 --> 00:14:33.000
but I'm a bit more complex in the way that I
00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:35.360
have to always be moving and doing other things.
00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:38.820
But my dad and my mom, I mean, I'm 50 % of my
00:14:38.820 --> 00:14:41.220
dad, 50 % of my mom. And so I really do trust
00:14:41.220 --> 00:14:44.240
them and in their experiences and what they have
00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:47.500
to say, because we're really similar. And that's
00:14:47.500 --> 00:14:49.620
part of growing up is realizing that your parents
00:14:49.620 --> 00:14:53.879
are kind of cool in that way. What advice would
00:14:53.879 --> 00:14:56.639
you give to other young people? It's about the
00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:59.690
journey and not the destination. I know that
00:14:59.690 --> 00:15:03.830
is something that we hear all the time in every
00:15:03.830 --> 00:15:07.649
movie and every TV show, but it really is true.
00:15:07.909 --> 00:15:10.350
I mean, the journey will take you to the destination
00:15:10.350 --> 00:15:12.909
and you just don't know what the destination
00:15:12.909 --> 00:15:17.049
is yet. And that's life. That's the future. That's
00:15:17.049 --> 00:15:22.929
kind of something that I'm reconciling with is
00:15:22.929 --> 00:15:25.129
that I don't know where I'll be in the next couple
00:15:25.129 --> 00:15:26.570
of years. I don't know where the world will be
00:15:26.570 --> 00:15:30.240
in the next couple of years, but we... The best
00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:33.220
thing we can do is keep our chin up and try new
00:15:33.220 --> 00:15:36.139
things and get off of our phones. That's my biggest
00:15:36.139 --> 00:15:38.639
piece of advice, actually. Really? Get off your
00:15:38.639 --> 00:15:41.899
phone and try things. And whenever you have a
00:15:41.899 --> 00:15:44.820
spare moment, don't go to your phone. Go to a
00:15:44.820 --> 00:15:49.779
piece of paper and crayons or a paint set. I
00:15:49.779 --> 00:15:52.399
really don't care. Just anything that's not scrolling
00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:55.059
mindlessly on your phone. I feel like that's
00:15:55.059 --> 00:15:59.279
a crutch that our generation has been leaning
00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:01.519
on for quite some time and i think that will
00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:04.820
be we'll see a decline in creativity because
00:16:04.820 --> 00:16:13.240
of it wow that was a that was a home run i knew
00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:16.200
i'd get something very interesting and i'm i
00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:19.419
think that is very useful advice well thanks
00:16:19.419 --> 00:16:22.379
for being on the podcast alice it's been a delight
00:16:22.379 --> 00:16:33.460
to talk to you i got off to a slower than expected
00:16:33.460 --> 00:16:37.720
start in high school I flunked high school chemistry
00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:41.000
the first time around, eventually earning a C.
00:16:41.549 --> 00:16:44.289
I think this came about because I was strong
00:16:44.289 --> 00:16:47.509
in reading comprehension, used to getting the
00:16:47.509 --> 00:16:51.309
essential points at a B level with minimal time
00:16:51.309 --> 00:16:54.669
spent. This gave me time to spend on playing
00:16:54.669 --> 00:16:57.210
basketball, going to the beach, and trying to
00:16:57.210 --> 00:17:01.960
improve my popularity. Mr. Nill and high school
00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:05.839
chemistry were unimpressed. Mr. Nill talked about
00:17:05.839 --> 00:17:09.180
incomprehensible new concepts at warp speed.
00:17:09.730 --> 00:17:13.829
I was unprepared for that and unwilling to invest
00:17:13.829 --> 00:17:17.059
the time. I don't recall anyone ever explaining
00:17:17.059 --> 00:17:20.380
to me that science and math required significantly
00:17:20.380 --> 00:17:23.799
more time and concentration to pass and that
00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:26.180
this investment would provide the key to many
00:17:26.180 --> 00:17:29.440
future opportunities since most good students
00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:33.059
fell into the same trap. trying to master difficult
00:17:33.059 --> 00:17:36.640
and important concepts with the same time spent
00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:39.680
earning an A or B in humanities and history.
00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:45.240
I seemed too wrapped up in infatuations, preoccupation
00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:48.759
with acceptance, and clueless awareness of the
00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:52.259
relative importance of science and math for future
00:17:52.259 --> 00:17:56.490
choices. Geometry was also a challenge. I did
00:17:56.490 --> 00:17:59.799
manage a B from Mr. Wagner. but I viewed that
00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:02.480
as the end of the road for me in math rather
00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:05.259
than the gateway to more advanced, challenging
00:18:05.259 --> 00:18:09.579
math that would open new doors. I did manage
00:18:09.579 --> 00:18:13.000
a B in German. I was in honors English and was
00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:15.500
invited to sign up for the first advanced placement
00:18:15.500 --> 00:18:19.400
course offered at Lincoln High School. European
00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:24.250
history. Dr. Bonson, the teacher, greatly influenced
00:18:24.250 --> 00:18:27.900
my future. He opened the door to truly fascinating
00:18:27.900 --> 00:18:32.660
trends, causes, and nuances of history. I knew
00:18:32.660 --> 00:18:35.500
that I could not get enough of history no matter
00:18:35.500 --> 00:18:39.279
what when I was in that course and to this day.
00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:42.940
About the time of my history awakening, I received
00:18:42.940 --> 00:18:46.240
a recruiting brochure from Princeton. Seeing
00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:49.839
those ivy -covered classical buildings encouraged
00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:53.220
my wild fantasies about attending a top -tier
00:18:53.220 --> 00:18:56.990
college. But the financial and academic qualifying
00:18:56.990 --> 00:19:01.029
barriers were never realistically weighed. Eventually,
00:19:01.029 --> 00:19:04.809
I overcame these dreamy longings and aimed for
00:19:04.809 --> 00:19:09.289
UC Berkeley, never really considering BYU because
00:19:09.289 --> 00:19:12.849
its reputation in those days emphasized testimony
00:19:12.849 --> 00:19:16.650
growth and marriage over academic excellence.
00:19:16.970 --> 00:19:20.980
Eventually, I set my sights on BYU. which was
00:19:20.980 --> 00:19:23.940
an example of how God knew more than I knew about
00:19:23.940 --> 00:19:27.710
what I needed most. I entered BYU in September
00:19:27.710 --> 00:19:34.210
1962. I checked in to B2222 Hinkley Hall and
00:19:34.210 --> 00:19:37.369
met my first roommate, Lloyd Baker from Mountain
00:19:37.369 --> 00:19:40.819
View, California. Over the course of my first
00:19:40.819 --> 00:19:43.519
year, Lloyd and I developed a close friendship.
00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:47.299
Never to be forgotten were those weekend breakaways
00:19:47.299 --> 00:19:50.970
with Daniel Stapleman. Lloyd and a couple of
00:19:50.970 --> 00:19:54.589
others to Daniel's home in Paul, Idaho. For some
00:19:54.589 --> 00:19:57.829
reason, rising before dawn in below freezing
00:19:57.829 --> 00:20:01.130
temperatures and mending fences before coming
00:20:01.130 --> 00:20:04.329
into the grand breakfast of more eggs than I
00:20:04.329 --> 00:20:07.710
had ever seen in one setting, combined to compose
00:20:07.710 --> 00:20:11.549
sweet pleasure. In the afternoon, we would go
00:20:11.549 --> 00:20:14.390
riding on the Stapleman's Appaloosa Stallion
00:20:14.390 --> 00:20:18.470
and their Shetland Pony. Surprisingly, the pony
00:20:18.470 --> 00:20:22.250
proved my nemesis as I slid off and hit the ground
00:20:22.250 --> 00:20:25.250
when he stopped short and turned suddenly to
00:20:25.250 --> 00:20:28.720
the left. Riding Big Red, as they called their
00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:32.660
stallion, was an amazing experience. Riding at
00:20:32.660 --> 00:20:35.720
full gallop during the fading hours of daylight.
00:20:36.259 --> 00:20:39.420
But of all the sweet memories of those breakaways,
00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:42.759
the sweetest were forming friendships with Danil,
00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:47.210
his sisters Marjean, Lois, and Janelle. and most
00:20:47.210 --> 00:20:51.529
especially, Daniel's warm, generous mom, Marge,
00:20:51.630 --> 00:20:56.720
and dad, Lester. I think the time spent there
00:20:56.720 --> 00:20:59.700
amounted to precious few hours compared with
00:20:59.700 --> 00:21:02.319
my classes and other activities that freshman
00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:05.960
year. And yet, these weekend respites of hard
00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:09.819
work, hard riding, and big eating put the finishing
00:21:09.819 --> 00:21:14.599
touches on my aspirations to live simply and
00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:19.220
become a family man. In my second semester at
00:21:19.220 --> 00:21:22.579
BYU, I resolved to complete requirements for
00:21:22.579 --> 00:21:25.910
admission to medical school. My priest quorum
00:21:25.910 --> 00:21:28.789
advisor was a urologist assigned to Letterman
00:21:28.789 --> 00:21:31.940
Hospital. He learned of my interest in medicine
00:21:31.940 --> 00:21:35.339
and invited me to join him in a tour of operating
00:21:35.339 --> 00:21:39.140
rooms at the hospital. I scrubbed down and put
00:21:39.140 --> 00:21:41.920
on a gown and then followed him. In the first
00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:44.819
room, my eyes saw something never before imagined.
00:21:45.579 --> 00:21:48.640
A surgeon was performing an operation to remove
00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:51.779
hemorrhoids. The patient's rear end was up in
00:21:51.779 --> 00:21:55.119
the air and there was an air of routine nonchalance.
00:21:55.440 --> 00:21:58.700
And then I was overcome with nausea and had to
00:21:58.700 --> 00:22:02.779
be removed immediately before passing out. I
00:22:02.779 --> 00:22:05.140
steeled my nerves and continued on the tour.
00:22:05.460 --> 00:22:08.460
I was uncomfortable but kept my feet on the floor.
00:22:09.079 --> 00:22:13.160
My guide was gracious and supportive. But I came
00:22:13.160 --> 00:22:16.940
away thinking. How could I ever spend my days
00:22:16.940 --> 00:22:22.390
doing what I just had seen? Thus began my off
00:22:22.390 --> 00:22:25.509
and on flirtation with medicine as a career.
00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:29.019
I thought the few examples of surgery I saw that
00:22:29.019 --> 00:22:33.099
day when I was about 17 were representative of
00:22:33.099 --> 00:22:36.000
all that a medical career entails. How little
00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:40.299
I knew, and yet how momentous in my choices and
00:22:40.299 --> 00:22:44.500
life plan was my ignorance. Yet, by my second
00:22:44.500 --> 00:22:47.519
semester at the Y, I felt pressure to decide
00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:50.839
on a direction. I had only my dad's work as a
00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:53.900
purchasing agent for a large company, my high
00:22:53.900 --> 00:22:57.680
school teachers, my youth teachers, the many
00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:00.519
dental students who passed through our ward during
00:23:00.519 --> 00:23:03.880
my growing up, and my university professors.
00:23:04.609 --> 00:23:08.950
My dad often envied the prestige and income of
00:23:08.950 --> 00:23:12.569
his friends who were medical doctors. He related,
00:23:12.710 --> 00:23:15.930
with some interest, the success stories of the
00:23:15.930 --> 00:23:19.430
dental students who went on to lucrative practices
00:23:19.430 --> 00:23:22.809
with nice homes, swimming pools, and sports cars.
00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:27.079
For my dad, having survived the Great Depression,
00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:30.859
the lives of doctors and dentists were well worth
00:23:30.859 --> 00:23:34.000
the effort. My dad didn't pressure me to go into
00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:37.839
medicine, but I had by now an enormous respect
00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:42.769
and love for my dad. So I wanted to impress and
00:23:42.769 --> 00:23:45.990
please him. And he seemed to be right on most
00:23:45.990 --> 00:23:49.609
things. So he was probably right about me going
00:23:49.609 --> 00:23:52.910
into medicine. So after surveying the academic
00:23:52.910 --> 00:23:56.670
landscape, I chose medicine as my fallback choice
00:23:56.670 --> 00:24:00.730
and declared my major as chemistry pre -med.
00:24:01.400 --> 00:24:04.099
Chemistry had been a terrible defeat for me in
00:24:04.099 --> 00:24:08.119
Mr. Nill's class. So why chemistry? In spite
00:24:08.119 --> 00:24:11.079
of my poor grasp of the math and how the elements
00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:16.180
combine and zero lab experience, I found chemistry
00:24:16.180 --> 00:24:19.740
fascinating. Spring semester, I took required
00:24:19.740 --> 00:24:23.160
courses, but deferred math and chemistry until
00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:26.000
the next fall when I was planning to return.
00:24:26.710 --> 00:24:30.269
My grades were excellent and I felt I was on
00:24:30.269 --> 00:24:34.329
my way. Those who know me are aware that I didn't
00:24:34.329 --> 00:24:37.829
become a doctor. When I returned from my mission
00:24:37.829 --> 00:24:40.950
and restarted my schooling, I quickly fell in
00:24:40.950 --> 00:24:44.069
love with Leanne and married her, and she helped
00:24:44.069 --> 00:24:48.009
me to clarify my dreams. It brings to mind this
00:24:48.009 --> 00:24:57.140
week's beautiful thing. It is a piano piece called
00:24:57.140 --> 00:25:02.529
Liebestrom, or Dream of Love, by Franz Liszt.
00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:06.980
This piece features a calm, song -like melody
00:25:06.980 --> 00:25:11.170
that builds into a passionate, cascading climax
00:25:11.170 --> 00:27:51.799
before ending on a soft, rolled chord. It is
00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:55.319
based off of a poem that is a story of love and
00:27:55.319 --> 00:28:01.079
loss that reminds us to love as long as we can.
00:28:01.299 --> 00:29:47.559
It reminds me that going through chaos and confusion
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:52.950
is easier if you have somebody that you love
00:29:52.950 --> 00:29:57.349
and are loved by at your side. to help you sort
00:29:57.349 --> 00:30:00.750
through the chaos and accomplish your dreams.
00:30:01.430 --> 00:30:09.890
And that is what matters most. Cheerio Chat was
00:30:09.890 --> 00:30:12.789
hosted by Peter Giles and produced by Taylor
00:30:12.789 --> 00:30:18.210
Giles. It is sponsored by digipix .com, who can
00:30:18.210 --> 00:30:22.329
help you preserve your videos, your photos, your
00:30:22.329 --> 00:30:25.130
stories, and whatever matters most to you.
00:00:15.410 --> 00:00:18.649
Welcome to Cheerio Chat. This is Grandpa Pete.
00:00:19.519 --> 00:00:22.899
Today, we're going to talk with two young women
00:00:22.899 --> 00:00:26.780
who happen to be my granddaughters about the
00:00:26.780 --> 00:00:28.960
dreams and plans they have for their future.
00:00:29.550 --> 00:00:33.490
For some, plans after high school can seem ordered
00:00:33.490 --> 00:00:37.409
and definite. For others, the choices seem chaotic
00:00:37.409 --> 00:00:41.439
and unsettling. As a high schooler, my dreams
00:00:41.439 --> 00:00:45.250
were frequently changing, and I never would have
00:00:45.250 --> 00:00:57.460
imagined. where I would have ended up. I'm really
00:00:57.460 --> 00:01:01.320
delighted today to welcome Ellie Giles. Ellie
00:01:01.320 --> 00:01:04.099
just happens to be my granddaughter, but she's
00:01:04.099 --> 00:01:09.079
so much more. So I would like to welcome Ellie
00:01:09.079 --> 00:01:13.180
to Grandpa Pete's Cheerio Chat. Ellie, good to
00:01:13.180 --> 00:01:16.099
have you here. Hi, thank you so much for having
00:01:16.099 --> 00:01:20.480
me. So Ellie, tell us a few things about yourself
00:01:20.480 --> 00:01:23.719
that you would like people to think about you.
00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:28.239
Hi, I'm Ellie. I'm a senior in high school and
00:01:28.239 --> 00:01:31.659
I play basketball and I coach. I spend most of
00:01:31.659 --> 00:01:34.200
my time working at my family basketball gym.
00:01:34.659 --> 00:01:37.400
And yeah, I just love to like spend time with
00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:40.340
other people. Well, maybe you should tell us
00:01:40.340 --> 00:01:42.519
just a little bit about Dribble and Swish. That's
00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:45.219
the name of your family business, isn't it? Yes.
00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:48.579
Dribble and Swish. It's a local basketball gym.
00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:52.079
We do classes or people can rent out the court.
00:01:52.719 --> 00:01:54.599
But yeah, it's just something for the community
00:01:54.599 --> 00:01:57.260
to play basketball in. Now, tell us about your
00:01:57.260 --> 00:02:01.159
playing for your high school. It's great. So
00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:04.319
our school is an 8A school, which means that
00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:07.340
there's around 3 ,000 kids. So we play like the
00:02:07.340 --> 00:02:10.629
best of the best schools in the state. So it
00:02:10.629 --> 00:02:12.430
can be really tricky, but we work really hard.
00:02:12.509 --> 00:02:15.590
So it's fun. What do you like most about playing
00:02:15.590 --> 00:02:18.530
basketball for Apex Friendship? I have lots of
00:02:18.530 --> 00:02:22.009
friends on the team, and I think we all... like
00:02:22.009 --> 00:02:24.050
when we play together it really feels like a
00:02:24.050 --> 00:02:27.469
win for the whole team like we work together
00:02:27.469 --> 00:02:30.629
we all play well it just we all have a way that
00:02:30.629 --> 00:02:32.710
like we cheer each other up and it just is a
00:02:32.710 --> 00:02:37.199
great community what part do you play in that
00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:43.620
um i'm the tallest on the team okay i i have
00:02:43.620 --> 00:02:46.599
to i have to guard all the tall people which
00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:50.520
is hard but as a more on this more social side
00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:55.520
i I am a team captain this year, and I try to
00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:58.340
host things at Dribble and Swish a lot so that
00:02:58.340 --> 00:03:01.370
the girls can get more time to play. Let's hope
00:03:01.370 --> 00:03:03.729
you have a great season this year, but it is
00:03:03.729 --> 00:03:06.930
your senior year. Tell us about what that means
00:03:06.930 --> 00:03:10.650
and what your future is going to hold. It's great.
00:03:10.729 --> 00:03:13.449
I love senior year. I have a pretty light schedule,
00:03:13.590 --> 00:03:17.250
so I get to spend lots of time focusing on myself
00:03:17.250 --> 00:03:19.849
and my plans for the future. Currently, what
00:03:19.849 --> 00:03:22.810
my plans are is that I'm going to go on a mission
00:03:22.810 --> 00:03:25.229
right after high school. And when I get back,
00:03:25.250 --> 00:03:28.669
hopefully I can go to BYU Provo. Okay, so a mission
00:03:28.669 --> 00:03:31.629
for? The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day
00:03:31.629 --> 00:03:34.650
Saints. Okay, terrific. Yeah, because there are
00:03:34.650 --> 00:03:37.509
some people that might not know what going on
00:03:37.509 --> 00:03:41.110
a mission means or for whom. So what made you
00:03:41.110 --> 00:03:45.210
decide to do that? So at my church, we have sister
00:03:45.210 --> 00:03:48.469
missionaries that serve, and they invite me to
00:03:48.469 --> 00:03:51.819
go out with them a lot. And every time I go,
00:03:51.979 --> 00:03:55.300
I just love teaching people about Jesus Christ
00:03:55.300 --> 00:03:58.259
and then also serving others. So I think a mission
00:03:58.259 --> 00:04:00.159
would just be a great opportunity to just spread
00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:03.120
love wherever I go. Who do you go to for your
00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:06.539
advice about the future? Have you had some examples
00:04:06.539 --> 00:04:09.099
of people that you really respect and admire
00:04:09.099 --> 00:04:12.479
like your coaches? I usually go first to my parents.
00:04:13.150 --> 00:04:15.509
Me and my dad, we talk more about like the basketball
00:04:15.509 --> 00:04:18.009
stuff, the basketball side of things or business.
00:04:18.509 --> 00:04:21.310
But my mom gives really great advice. So I love
00:04:21.310 --> 00:04:24.230
talking to her about stuff like that. I do like
00:04:24.230 --> 00:04:26.589
I have co -workers that are adults, like they're
00:04:26.589 --> 00:04:29.149
adult coaches, but they work at my gym. I like
00:04:29.149 --> 00:04:32.209
talking to them over some stuff that I have really
00:04:32.209 --> 00:04:34.149
good young women's leaders at my church, like
00:04:34.149 --> 00:04:37.870
youth leaders. And they get also I love talking
00:04:37.870 --> 00:04:40.430
to them and like hearing their advice. Well,
00:04:40.449 --> 00:04:44.629
when you go to BYU, what are you going to prepare
00:04:44.629 --> 00:04:47.610
for in the world? I'm going to, I will hopefully
00:04:47.610 --> 00:04:50.189
want to study nursing there. What's made you
00:04:50.189 --> 00:04:52.750
decide that? Kind of same thing with the mission.
00:04:52.810 --> 00:04:55.470
I just really like helping people. And I especially
00:04:55.470 --> 00:04:57.750
want to be a pediatric nurse, which can be really
00:04:57.750 --> 00:05:00.629
hard, but like it ties in with the coaching part
00:05:00.629 --> 00:05:03.730
really well. Do you have any worries about the
00:05:03.730 --> 00:05:06.470
future? Well, I think right now it's all, I'm
00:05:06.470 --> 00:05:09.769
just kind of waiting. to see what happens because
00:05:09.769 --> 00:05:13.470
I can't know if I get into BYU until February.
00:05:13.829 --> 00:05:17.569
So that's going to take a couple months. I can't
00:05:17.569 --> 00:05:21.790
apply for my mission until April. So I feel like
00:05:21.790 --> 00:05:24.149
right now it's just like I'm getting impatient.
00:05:24.649 --> 00:05:29.269
Really? I see. We all have to work all of our
00:05:29.269 --> 00:05:33.009
lives to learn is how to be patient. What advice
00:05:33.009 --> 00:05:36.470
would you give younger people about what to do?
00:05:36.889 --> 00:05:39.149
to get ready for the future what i would say
00:05:39.149 --> 00:05:43.009
for that is just to try to do as many things
00:05:43.009 --> 00:05:46.230
as you can like not necessarily academic things
00:05:46.230 --> 00:05:50.089
but play a sport join a club like you want to
00:05:50.089 --> 00:05:52.550
do these different activities that can give you
00:05:52.550 --> 00:05:55.389
more unique perspectives on the world because
00:05:55.389 --> 00:05:58.170
if you stay like in one lane all of high school
00:05:58.170 --> 00:06:00.910
like you're gonna probably stay that way the
00:06:00.910 --> 00:06:03.050
rest of your life but if you branch out then
00:06:03.050 --> 00:06:05.230
you can really find out what really makes you
00:06:05.230 --> 00:06:10.730
you I think that's the money answer. I love that.
00:06:10.850 --> 00:06:13.370
And I hope everybody that's hearing this can
00:06:13.370 --> 00:06:16.410
get something out of hearing Ellie talk about
00:06:16.410 --> 00:06:20.449
her future and the advice she's given to us today.
00:06:27.889 --> 00:06:32.709
We're thrilled to have Alice Giles on the podcast.
00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:39.439
She's my granddaughter, and she is getting ready
00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:43.560
to go to college to change her life. in some
00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:46.300
very significant ways it's great to have you
00:06:46.300 --> 00:06:49.319
here alice thanks for having me tell us about
00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:53.199
yourself well my name is alice and i am grandpa
00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:56.899
pete's granddaughter and i have been working
00:06:56.899 --> 00:07:00.420
at a preschool for the past year i graduated
00:07:00.420 --> 00:07:06.449
in 2025 from short high school and i Just have
00:07:06.449 --> 00:07:09.490
been working to save up some money for college.
00:07:09.730 --> 00:07:13.149
You've been scrimping and saving. Yes. Yes. I've
00:07:13.149 --> 00:07:16.810
been trying my best. But I mean, I have spent
00:07:16.810 --> 00:07:19.290
more money than I'd like to admit. Like just
00:07:19.290 --> 00:07:23.009
kind of living at home and going on adventures
00:07:23.009 --> 00:07:26.970
and eating out sometimes. But that's more of
00:07:26.970 --> 00:07:31.550
a me problem. I see. But you're ready to start.
00:07:31.850 --> 00:07:34.769
in college and you've you've saved a lot of what
00:07:34.769 --> 00:07:38.329
you need to get there it sounds like yeah the
00:07:38.329 --> 00:07:40.850
most discouraging thing about it is that it it
00:07:40.850 --> 00:07:43.529
still doesn't feel like enough like you could
00:07:43.529 --> 00:07:46.129
work for a full year and it still doesn't enough
00:07:46.129 --> 00:07:49.189
feel I'm going to be quite honest. Maybe don't
00:07:49.189 --> 00:07:51.290
put this in the podcast, but like I only have
00:07:51.290 --> 00:07:53.529
enough money for like one year right now. And
00:07:53.529 --> 00:07:56.589
I guess the point of me going to college is figuring
00:07:56.589 --> 00:07:58.370
out what my options are from there, you know,
00:07:58.370 --> 00:08:00.529
and what connections I can make there and what
00:08:00.529 --> 00:08:03.430
I'm looking to do in the future. You've got reasons
00:08:03.430 --> 00:08:07.209
to be concerned about the future. And, you know,
00:08:07.209 --> 00:08:09.610
and it sounds like you're thinking about it in
00:08:09.610 --> 00:08:14.689
a serious and reflective way. So what tell us
00:08:14.689 --> 00:08:17.680
about what your plans are. I get to Western Oregon
00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:23.839
on Monday, so that's September 21st. And from
00:08:23.839 --> 00:08:26.319
there, I'm going to go to all the events that
00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:30.279
are on my school's schedule for orientation week.
00:08:30.579 --> 00:08:33.820
I'm going to probably join some clubs. I want
00:08:33.820 --> 00:08:36.519
to go straight to the gaming club because that's
00:08:36.519 --> 00:08:38.700
something that will remind me of home, I guess,
00:08:38.820 --> 00:08:40.919
if I feel homesick, because I would always play
00:08:40.919 --> 00:08:44.159
video games with my brothers. I finally can put
00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:48.279
that useless skill to work and kind of showcase
00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:50.700
it a little bit and make some friends along the
00:08:50.700 --> 00:08:53.559
way. But also like reach out to other places,
00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:56.539
like give maybe student council another try because
00:08:56.539 --> 00:09:00.320
the student council at my old school that I was
00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:05.669
a part of kind of was not very diverse in terms
00:09:05.669 --> 00:09:08.009
of like their interests and stuff. And so I think,
00:09:08.009 --> 00:09:13.289
you know, I could scope out that area. I guess
00:09:13.289 --> 00:09:17.889
my plan for the next year is to just meet as
00:09:17.889 --> 00:09:20.269
many people as I can, kind of get out of my shell
00:09:20.269 --> 00:09:23.110
and get out of the same pattern I've been living
00:09:23.110 --> 00:09:25.230
in for the past year where I just work and then
00:09:25.230 --> 00:09:28.230
come home and play video games or do digipix
00:09:28.230 --> 00:09:31.710
or whatever it is. My goal for college is to
00:09:31.710 --> 00:09:34.850
just try new things and put myself out there
00:09:34.850 --> 00:09:36.750
because I really don't have anything to lose
00:09:36.750 --> 00:09:40.009
when I'm... putting all my money into this, you
00:09:40.009 --> 00:09:42.950
know? Yeah, right. Well, you're going to make
00:09:42.950 --> 00:09:46.350
it count, it sounds like. And it sounds like
00:09:46.350 --> 00:09:48.929
one of your big goals is to really meet a lot
00:09:48.929 --> 00:09:52.830
of people and meet diverse people, maybe different
00:09:52.830 --> 00:09:56.049
than the people you've grown up with, you know,
00:09:56.049 --> 00:09:58.269
in terms of their backgrounds and their attitudes
00:09:58.269 --> 00:10:02.350
and things like that. Alice, tell us about Western
00:10:02.350 --> 00:10:05.889
Oregon University and why you decided to go there.
00:10:05.990 --> 00:10:08.049
It's a public school just south of Portland.
00:10:08.190 --> 00:10:11.590
It's about an hour away. And I chose it mainly
00:10:11.590 --> 00:10:14.429
because it's the cheapest option around, despite
00:10:14.429 --> 00:10:19.110
it being like $30 ,000 a year. And I like having
00:10:19.110 --> 00:10:22.809
like a designated space for school and work and
00:10:22.809 --> 00:10:24.809
then a designated place where I could just chill
00:10:24.809 --> 00:10:27.570
and hang out with my family at home. And so going
00:10:27.570 --> 00:10:30.679
to Western Oregon would... provide me the necessary
00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:33.559
separation from the house that I've lived in
00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:37.379
for 16 years and kind of grow on my own. I chose
00:10:37.379 --> 00:10:40.820
Western Oregon because it's kind of smaller and
00:10:40.820 --> 00:10:43.919
it's kind of close to home. Can you elaborate
00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:46.179
a little bit on what you're planning to study?
00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:49.100
I'm going into my academics with a very open
00:10:49.100 --> 00:10:52.419
mind of what I want to go in. like what i want
00:10:52.419 --> 00:10:54.460
to major in i'm leaning more towards psychology
00:10:54.460 --> 00:10:59.039
as of now but i'm kind of like you i i hear where
00:10:59.039 --> 00:11:01.279
i am really interested in a lot of different
00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:03.940
things and it's kind of hard to to just settle
00:11:03.940 --> 00:11:06.419
on one thing for the rest of my life and that's
00:11:06.419 --> 00:11:08.940
kind of scary to think about it's just there
00:11:08.940 --> 00:11:11.480
i have to choose one thing and go into that field
00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:14.039
i mean i have a college degree and i'm not limited
00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:16.600
to you have to be a therapist or you have to
00:11:16.600 --> 00:11:18.820
be a psychiatrist or whatever like there's there's
00:11:18.820 --> 00:11:21.740
other avenues to go down yes Using college as
00:11:21.740 --> 00:11:24.899
a waypoint for what direction I want to go into.
00:11:25.100 --> 00:11:26.820
And I can always come back and try something
00:11:26.820 --> 00:11:29.480
else if it isn't working out. And I know that
00:11:29.480 --> 00:11:31.600
my parents will be there to support me. Just
00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:33.639
kind of have to figure it out on my own, despite
00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:36.240
not having a solid plan right now. And I think
00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:39.000
that's part of the college experience. It's just
00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:42.440
trying things that you would never try back at
00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:45.080
home. What are you signed up for? Do you have
00:11:45.080 --> 00:11:47.360
an unusual class? One that, you know, you said
00:11:47.360 --> 00:11:49.480
you'd try anything, you know, when you go to
00:11:49.480 --> 00:11:53.480
college? Well, one of the classes that fall into
00:11:53.480 --> 00:11:56.240
my general education requirements is a costume
00:11:56.240 --> 00:12:00.419
design class. I'm not sure if it's actually making
00:12:00.419 --> 00:12:02.659
costumes or just designing, but whatever it is,
00:12:02.700 --> 00:12:04.799
it's going to be different and fun and another
00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:07.259
side of theater that I've never really delved
00:12:07.259 --> 00:12:10.779
into. And so I'm excited to design some costumes.
00:12:10.899 --> 00:12:15.220
And I think that will be really good for my creative
00:12:15.220 --> 00:12:18.139
side because I've kind of suppressed that for
00:12:18.139 --> 00:12:21.490
the past couple years. just because I know it's
00:12:21.490 --> 00:12:25.450
less likely to become like a job than a hobby,
00:12:25.570 --> 00:12:29.169
you know? Yeah, like I know I'm getting very
00:12:29.169 --> 00:12:32.070
discouraged about my future as an artist too
00:12:32.070 --> 00:12:34.610
at this time. And so I think college will help
00:12:34.610 --> 00:12:37.309
me realize that there's other people still trying
00:12:37.309 --> 00:12:40.409
to make art out there and they have something
00:12:40.409 --> 00:12:43.409
to say. i can contribute to that conversation
00:12:43.409 --> 00:12:46.149
through my art i've seen both your artistic and
00:12:46.149 --> 00:12:48.409
dramatic talent is that something you're going
00:12:48.409 --> 00:12:50.850
to be able to pursue at western oregon yeah i
00:12:50.850 --> 00:12:53.710
mean there's there i just got an email for auditions
00:12:53.710 --> 00:12:56.710
for the school musical now i the audition process
00:12:56.710 --> 00:12:58.929
just thinking about it makes me kind of want
00:12:58.929 --> 00:13:02.549
to throw up but i will be brave because i've
00:13:02.549 --> 00:13:05.210
worked really hard for this and so just be a
00:13:05.210 --> 00:13:08.350
ways not to not to try it and not to even like
00:13:08.350 --> 00:13:10.250
go to the audition in the first place. So yeah,
00:13:10.330 --> 00:13:12.610
like I want to expand on these hobbies that I've
00:13:12.610 --> 00:13:14.990
had in the past through like high school classes
00:13:14.990 --> 00:13:17.049
and through like the high school curriculum.
00:13:17.669 --> 00:13:19.669
Because I feel like I've lost that side of me
00:13:19.669 --> 00:13:23.570
since graduating. Well, I think you've got an
00:13:23.570 --> 00:13:27.970
enormous talent, just period, that you are going
00:13:27.970 --> 00:13:30.870
to be able to do some very interesting things
00:13:30.870 --> 00:13:34.350
for sure. And the challenge will always be in
00:13:34.350 --> 00:13:37.230
the future is converting that to income, you
00:13:37.230 --> 00:13:40.210
know. But you can't worry too much about that
00:13:40.210 --> 00:13:44.549
at this stage. You're in a fresh new time of
00:13:44.549 --> 00:13:48.129
making choices and trying some new things and
00:13:48.129 --> 00:13:51.289
of building on the talents that you know you
00:13:51.289 --> 00:13:54.049
enjoy and that you know you have. Where do you
00:13:54.049 --> 00:13:56.830
go to advice for your future? How do you talk
00:13:56.830 --> 00:13:59.909
to people, some people who you've been able to
00:13:59.909 --> 00:14:03.409
counsel with and get their ideas? I really just...
00:14:03.820 --> 00:14:07.600
kind of talk to my family nowadays. And so my
00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:11.620
dad and my mom have been really helpful in validating
00:14:11.620 --> 00:14:15.340
my feelings about this uncertainty that I feel,
00:14:15.500 --> 00:14:18.360
that it's pretty normal for people my age. And
00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:20.759
it's good that I'm not just, you know, jumping
00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:23.480
to one thing and sticking with that, even though
00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:25.379
I haven't tried other things, you know? I mean,
00:14:25.379 --> 00:14:27.980
it's awesome when people know exactly what they
00:14:27.980 --> 00:14:30.120
want to do. That just makes... things a lot easier,
00:14:30.259 --> 00:14:33.000
but I'm a bit more complex in the way that I
00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:35.360
have to always be moving and doing other things.
00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:38.820
But my dad and my mom, I mean, I'm 50 % of my
00:14:38.820 --> 00:14:41.220
dad, 50 % of my mom. And so I really do trust
00:14:41.220 --> 00:14:44.240
them and in their experiences and what they have
00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:47.500
to say, because we're really similar. And that's
00:14:47.500 --> 00:14:49.620
part of growing up is realizing that your parents
00:14:49.620 --> 00:14:53.879
are kind of cool in that way. What advice would
00:14:53.879 --> 00:14:56.639
you give to other young people? It's about the
00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:59.690
journey and not the destination. I know that
00:14:59.690 --> 00:15:03.830
is something that we hear all the time in every
00:15:03.830 --> 00:15:07.649
movie and every TV show, but it really is true.
00:15:07.909 --> 00:15:10.350
I mean, the journey will take you to the destination
00:15:10.350 --> 00:15:12.909
and you just don't know what the destination
00:15:12.909 --> 00:15:17.049
is yet. And that's life. That's the future. That's
00:15:17.049 --> 00:15:22.929
kind of something that I'm reconciling with is
00:15:22.929 --> 00:15:25.129
that I don't know where I'll be in the next couple
00:15:25.129 --> 00:15:26.570
of years. I don't know where the world will be
00:15:26.570 --> 00:15:30.240
in the next couple of years, but we... The best
00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:33.220
thing we can do is keep our chin up and try new
00:15:33.220 --> 00:15:36.139
things and get off of our phones. That's my biggest
00:15:36.139 --> 00:15:38.639
piece of advice, actually. Really? Get off your
00:15:38.639 --> 00:15:41.899
phone and try things. And whenever you have a
00:15:41.899 --> 00:15:44.820
spare moment, don't go to your phone. Go to a
00:15:44.820 --> 00:15:49.779
piece of paper and crayons or a paint set. I
00:15:49.779 --> 00:15:52.399
really don't care. Just anything that's not scrolling
00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:55.059
mindlessly on your phone. I feel like that's
00:15:55.059 --> 00:15:59.279
a crutch that our generation has been leaning
00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:01.519
on for quite some time and i think that will
00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:04.820
be we'll see a decline in creativity because
00:16:04.820 --> 00:16:13.240
of it wow that was a that was a home run i knew
00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:16.200
i'd get something very interesting and i'm i
00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:19.419
think that is very useful advice well thanks
00:16:19.419 --> 00:16:22.379
for being on the podcast alice it's been a delight
00:16:22.379 --> 00:16:33.460
to talk to you i got off to a slower than expected
00:16:33.460 --> 00:16:37.720
start in high school I flunked high school chemistry
00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:41.000
the first time around, eventually earning a C.
00:16:41.549 --> 00:16:44.289
I think this came about because I was strong
00:16:44.289 --> 00:16:47.509
in reading comprehension, used to getting the
00:16:47.509 --> 00:16:51.309
essential points at a B level with minimal time
00:16:51.309 --> 00:16:54.669
spent. This gave me time to spend on playing
00:16:54.669 --> 00:16:57.210
basketball, going to the beach, and trying to
00:16:57.210 --> 00:17:01.960
improve my popularity. Mr. Nill and high school
00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:05.839
chemistry were unimpressed. Mr. Nill talked about
00:17:05.839 --> 00:17:09.180
incomprehensible new concepts at warp speed.
00:17:09.730 --> 00:17:13.829
I was unprepared for that and unwilling to invest
00:17:13.829 --> 00:17:17.059
the time. I don't recall anyone ever explaining
00:17:17.059 --> 00:17:20.380
to me that science and math required significantly
00:17:20.380 --> 00:17:23.799
more time and concentration to pass and that
00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:26.180
this investment would provide the key to many
00:17:26.180 --> 00:17:29.440
future opportunities since most good students
00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:33.059
fell into the same trap. trying to master difficult
00:17:33.059 --> 00:17:36.640
and important concepts with the same time spent
00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:39.680
earning an A or B in humanities and history.
00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:45.240
I seemed too wrapped up in infatuations, preoccupation
00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:48.759
with acceptance, and clueless awareness of the
00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:52.259
relative importance of science and math for future
00:17:52.259 --> 00:17:56.490
choices. Geometry was also a challenge. I did
00:17:56.490 --> 00:17:59.799
manage a B from Mr. Wagner. but I viewed that
00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:02.480
as the end of the road for me in math rather
00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:05.259
than the gateway to more advanced, challenging
00:18:05.259 --> 00:18:09.579
math that would open new doors. I did manage
00:18:09.579 --> 00:18:13.000
a B in German. I was in honors English and was
00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:15.500
invited to sign up for the first advanced placement
00:18:15.500 --> 00:18:19.400
course offered at Lincoln High School. European
00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:24.250
history. Dr. Bonson, the teacher, greatly influenced
00:18:24.250 --> 00:18:27.900
my future. He opened the door to truly fascinating
00:18:27.900 --> 00:18:32.660
trends, causes, and nuances of history. I knew
00:18:32.660 --> 00:18:35.500
that I could not get enough of history no matter
00:18:35.500 --> 00:18:39.279
what when I was in that course and to this day.
00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:42.940
About the time of my history awakening, I received
00:18:42.940 --> 00:18:46.240
a recruiting brochure from Princeton. Seeing
00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:49.839
those ivy -covered classical buildings encouraged
00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:53.220
my wild fantasies about attending a top -tier
00:18:53.220 --> 00:18:56.990
college. But the financial and academic qualifying
00:18:56.990 --> 00:19:01.029
barriers were never realistically weighed. Eventually,
00:19:01.029 --> 00:19:04.809
I overcame these dreamy longings and aimed for
00:19:04.809 --> 00:19:09.289
UC Berkeley, never really considering BYU because
00:19:09.289 --> 00:19:12.849
its reputation in those days emphasized testimony
00:19:12.849 --> 00:19:16.650
growth and marriage over academic excellence.
00:19:16.970 --> 00:19:20.980
Eventually, I set my sights on BYU. which was
00:19:20.980 --> 00:19:23.940
an example of how God knew more than I knew about
00:19:23.940 --> 00:19:27.710
what I needed most. I entered BYU in September
00:19:27.710 --> 00:19:34.210
1962. I checked in to B2222 Hinkley Hall and
00:19:34.210 --> 00:19:37.369
met my first roommate, Lloyd Baker from Mountain
00:19:37.369 --> 00:19:40.819
View, California. Over the course of my first
00:19:40.819 --> 00:19:43.519
year, Lloyd and I developed a close friendship.
00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:47.299
Never to be forgotten were those weekend breakaways
00:19:47.299 --> 00:19:50.970
with Daniel Stapleman. Lloyd and a couple of
00:19:50.970 --> 00:19:54.589
others to Daniel's home in Paul, Idaho. For some
00:19:54.589 --> 00:19:57.829
reason, rising before dawn in below freezing
00:19:57.829 --> 00:20:01.130
temperatures and mending fences before coming
00:20:01.130 --> 00:20:04.329
into the grand breakfast of more eggs than I
00:20:04.329 --> 00:20:07.710
had ever seen in one setting, combined to compose
00:20:07.710 --> 00:20:11.549
sweet pleasure. In the afternoon, we would go
00:20:11.549 --> 00:20:14.390
riding on the Stapleman's Appaloosa Stallion
00:20:14.390 --> 00:20:18.470
and their Shetland Pony. Surprisingly, the pony
00:20:18.470 --> 00:20:22.250
proved my nemesis as I slid off and hit the ground
00:20:22.250 --> 00:20:25.250
when he stopped short and turned suddenly to
00:20:25.250 --> 00:20:28.720
the left. Riding Big Red, as they called their
00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:32.660
stallion, was an amazing experience. Riding at
00:20:32.660 --> 00:20:35.720
full gallop during the fading hours of daylight.
00:20:36.259 --> 00:20:39.420
But of all the sweet memories of those breakaways,
00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:42.759
the sweetest were forming friendships with Danil,
00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:47.210
his sisters Marjean, Lois, and Janelle. and most
00:20:47.210 --> 00:20:51.529
especially, Daniel's warm, generous mom, Marge,
00:20:51.630 --> 00:20:56.720
and dad, Lester. I think the time spent there
00:20:56.720 --> 00:20:59.700
amounted to precious few hours compared with
00:20:59.700 --> 00:21:02.319
my classes and other activities that freshman
00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:05.960
year. And yet, these weekend respites of hard
00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:09.819
work, hard riding, and big eating put the finishing
00:21:09.819 --> 00:21:14.599
touches on my aspirations to live simply and
00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:19.220
become a family man. In my second semester at
00:21:19.220 --> 00:21:22.579
BYU, I resolved to complete requirements for
00:21:22.579 --> 00:21:25.910
admission to medical school. My priest quorum
00:21:25.910 --> 00:21:28.789
advisor was a urologist assigned to Letterman
00:21:28.789 --> 00:21:31.940
Hospital. He learned of my interest in medicine
00:21:31.940 --> 00:21:35.339
and invited me to join him in a tour of operating
00:21:35.339 --> 00:21:39.140
rooms at the hospital. I scrubbed down and put
00:21:39.140 --> 00:21:41.920
on a gown and then followed him. In the first
00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:44.819
room, my eyes saw something never before imagined.
00:21:45.579 --> 00:21:48.640
A surgeon was performing an operation to remove
00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:51.779
hemorrhoids. The patient's rear end was up in
00:21:51.779 --> 00:21:55.119
the air and there was an air of routine nonchalance.
00:21:55.440 --> 00:21:58.700
And then I was overcome with nausea and had to
00:21:58.700 --> 00:22:02.779
be removed immediately before passing out. I
00:22:02.779 --> 00:22:05.140
steeled my nerves and continued on the tour.
00:22:05.460 --> 00:22:08.460
I was uncomfortable but kept my feet on the floor.
00:22:09.079 --> 00:22:13.160
My guide was gracious and supportive. But I came
00:22:13.160 --> 00:22:16.940
away thinking. How could I ever spend my days
00:22:16.940 --> 00:22:22.390
doing what I just had seen? Thus began my off
00:22:22.390 --> 00:22:25.509
and on flirtation with medicine as a career.
00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:29.019
I thought the few examples of surgery I saw that
00:22:29.019 --> 00:22:33.099
day when I was about 17 were representative of
00:22:33.099 --> 00:22:36.000
all that a medical career entails. How little
00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:40.299
I knew, and yet how momentous in my choices and
00:22:40.299 --> 00:22:44.500
life plan was my ignorance. Yet, by my second
00:22:44.500 --> 00:22:47.519
semester at the Y, I felt pressure to decide
00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:50.839
on a direction. I had only my dad's work as a
00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:53.900
purchasing agent for a large company, my high
00:22:53.900 --> 00:22:57.680
school teachers, my youth teachers, the many
00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:00.519
dental students who passed through our ward during
00:23:00.519 --> 00:23:03.880
my growing up, and my university professors.
00:23:04.609 --> 00:23:08.950
My dad often envied the prestige and income of
00:23:08.950 --> 00:23:12.569
his friends who were medical doctors. He related,
00:23:12.710 --> 00:23:15.930
with some interest, the success stories of the
00:23:15.930 --> 00:23:19.430
dental students who went on to lucrative practices
00:23:19.430 --> 00:23:22.809
with nice homes, swimming pools, and sports cars.
00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:27.079
For my dad, having survived the Great Depression,
00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:30.859
the lives of doctors and dentists were well worth
00:23:30.859 --> 00:23:34.000
the effort. My dad didn't pressure me to go into
00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:37.839
medicine, but I had by now an enormous respect
00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:42.769
and love for my dad. So I wanted to impress and
00:23:42.769 --> 00:23:45.990
please him. And he seemed to be right on most
00:23:45.990 --> 00:23:49.609
things. So he was probably right about me going
00:23:49.609 --> 00:23:52.910
into medicine. So after surveying the academic
00:23:52.910 --> 00:23:56.670
landscape, I chose medicine as my fallback choice
00:23:56.670 --> 00:24:00.730
and declared my major as chemistry pre -med.
00:24:01.400 --> 00:24:04.099
Chemistry had been a terrible defeat for me in
00:24:04.099 --> 00:24:08.119
Mr. Nill's class. So why chemistry? In spite
00:24:08.119 --> 00:24:11.079
of my poor grasp of the math and how the elements
00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:16.180
combine and zero lab experience, I found chemistry
00:24:16.180 --> 00:24:19.740
fascinating. Spring semester, I took required
00:24:19.740 --> 00:24:23.160
courses, but deferred math and chemistry until
00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:26.000
the next fall when I was planning to return.
00:24:26.710 --> 00:24:30.269
My grades were excellent and I felt I was on
00:24:30.269 --> 00:24:34.329
my way. Those who know me are aware that I didn't
00:24:34.329 --> 00:24:37.829
become a doctor. When I returned from my mission
00:24:37.829 --> 00:24:40.950
and restarted my schooling, I quickly fell in
00:24:40.950 --> 00:24:44.069
love with Leanne and married her, and she helped
00:24:44.069 --> 00:24:48.009
me to clarify my dreams. It brings to mind this
00:24:48.009 --> 00:24:57.140
week's beautiful thing. It is a piano piece called
00:24:57.140 --> 00:25:02.529
Liebestrom, or Dream of Love, by Franz Liszt.
00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:06.980
This piece features a calm, song -like melody
00:25:06.980 --> 00:25:11.170
that builds into a passionate, cascading climax
00:25:11.170 --> 00:27:51.799
before ending on a soft, rolled chord. It is
00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:55.319
based off of a poem that is a story of love and
00:27:55.319 --> 00:28:01.079
loss that reminds us to love as long as we can.
00:28:01.299 --> 00:29:47.559
It reminds me that going through chaos and confusion
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:52.950
is easier if you have somebody that you love
00:29:52.950 --> 00:29:57.349
and are loved by at your side. to help you sort
00:29:57.349 --> 00:30:00.750
through the chaos and accomplish your dreams.
00:30:01.430 --> 00:30:09.890
And that is what matters most. Cheerio Chat was
00:30:09.890 --> 00:30:12.789
hosted by Peter Giles and produced by Taylor
00:30:12.789 --> 00:30:18.210
Giles. It is sponsored by digipix .com, who can
00:30:18.210 --> 00:30:22.329
help you preserve your videos, your photos, your
00:30:22.329 --> 00:30:25.130
stories, and whatever matters most to you.
