ABOUT THIS EPISODE
Why did the Star Wars sequel trilogy fail to deliver a consistent story? In this episode of CC & NJ Guy, Tom, Keny, and Lou break down The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi, and The Rise of Skywalker to determine what went wrong with Star Wars Episodes VII, VIII, and IX—and whether the trilogy deserves all the criticism it receives.
The sequel trilogy introduced memorable characters, spectacular visuals, strong performances, and several fascinating ideas. Rey, Finn, Poe Dameron, Kylo Ren, BB-8, and Supreme Leader Snoke all appeared to have enormous potential. However, the direction of the story changed dramatically from one movie to the next, leaving major mysteries unresolved, important characters underdeveloped, and fans divided over the future of Star Wars.
The conversation begins with The Force Awakens and the excitement surrounding the return of Han Solo, Leia Organa, and Luke Skywalker. The movie successfully introduced a new generation of characters, but it also closely followed the structure of A New Hope. Starkiller Base resembled another version of the Death Star, the First Order rose to power without much explanation, and the New Republic disappeared before audiences understood what was at stake.
The guys discuss the strengths of Kylo Ren’s introduction, including the unforgettable moment when he freezes a blaster bolt in midair. They also examine his complicated relationship with Han Solo, his struggle between the light and dark sides of the Force, and how his journey compares with Anakin Skywalker’s transformation into Darth Vader.
The discussion then turns to The Last Jedi and its controversial treatment of Luke Skywalker. After years of waiting to see Luke return as a powerful Jedi Master, audiences instead found him isolated, disillusioned, and unwilling to help the Resistance. Was Luke throwing away his lightsaber a bold storytelling decision, or did it undermine the ending of The Force Awakens?
Tom, Keny, and Lou debate Luke’s failure with Ben Solo, his decision to abandon the Jedi Order, and his final confrontation with Kylo Ren. They also discuss Luke’s Force projection, Leia surviving in space, the visually impressive throne room battle, the sudden death of Supreme Leader Snoke, and the decision to reveal that Rey’s parents were seemingly unimportant.
One of the trilogy’s biggest missed opportunities may have been Finn. His story begins with an incredible premise: a stormtrooper breaks free from the First Order, rejects his conditioning, helps the Resistance, and fights Kylo Ren with a lightsaber. The movies repeatedly suggest that Finn may be Force-sensitive, but his potential as a future Jedi is never fully explored.
The Rise of Skywalker brings the trilogy’s conflicting creative direction to its breaking point. The Force Awakens establishes mysteries, The Last Jedi removes or changes many of them, and The Rise of Skywalker attempts to rebuild the story during the final chapter.
That leads to the return of Emperor Palpatine, Rey’s connection to the Palpatine bloodline, the hidden Sith fleet on Exegol, and the infamous explanation: “Somehow, Palpatine returned.”
Could Palpatine’s return have worked if it had been established earlier? Did the cloning storyline make sense? Where did the Final Order get the people, money, ships, and resources required to construct an enormous secret fleet? And did giving every Star Destroyer planet-destroying technology make the final threat more exciting—or simply more ridiculous?
Despite these problems, the sequel trilogy still contains moments worth celebrating. Rey and Kylo Ren’s Force dyad introduces new possibilities for the Force. Their ability to communicate and transfer physical objects across space creates some of the trilogy’s most inventive scenes. The Death Star wreckage duel is visually impressive, Ben Solo’s redemption reveals the person he might have been before becoming Kylo Ren, and Han Solo’s return as an emotional memory gives Ben’s story a powerful sense of closure.
The guys also discuss Carrie Fisher’s final appearance as Leia Organa, John Williams’ music, the trilogy’s impressive visual effects, and whether future Star Wars movies and series could eventually improve the sequel era.
The Clone Wars, Rebels, The Bad Batch, Ahsoka, and other projects helped provide additional context for the prequel era. Could future stories about the First Order, Palpatine’s cloning experiments, Exegol, Luke’s Jedi academy, Finn’s Force sensitivity, and Rey rebuilding the Jedi Order do the same thing for the sequel trilogy?
In this episode:
• Why The Force Awakens created genuine excitement
• The return of Han Solo, Leia Organa, and Luke Skywalker
• Rey’s origin, Force abilities, and Palpatine connection
• Finn’s unfinished journey from stormtrooper to potential Jedi
• Kylo Ren’s conflict between the light and dark sides
• Kylo Ren compared with Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader
• Han Solo’s death and Ben Solo’s redemption
• Luke Skywalker’s exile and controversial transformation
• The Last Jedi lightsaber toss
• Luke’s Force projection and final confrontation
• Supreme Leader Snoke and the Knights of Ren
• J.J. Abrams and Rian Johnson’s conflicting creative choices
• Emperor Palpatine’s unexplained return
• Palpatine’s cloning plan and the Sith fleet on Exegol
• Rey and Kylo Ren’s Force dyad
• Carrie Fisher’s final storyline as Leia Organa
• Whether future Star Wars stories can repair the sequel era
• What Rey rebuilding the Jedi Order could look like
Ultimately, the sequel trilogy may not have failed because it lacked talent, interesting characters, or ambitious ideas. Its greatest problem may have been the absence of one clear creative vision connecting all three movies.
Were The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi, and The Rise of Skywalker genuinely bad movies—or were they entertaining Star Wars adventures trapped inside a trilogy that nobody properly planned?
After listening, tell CC & NJ Guy the one decision you would change: Luke’s story, Finn becoming a Jedi, Rey’s identity, Snoke’s death, or Palpatine’s return.
Follow CC & NJ Guy for more conversational deep dives into Star Wars, movies, pop culture, paranormal mysteries, conspiracy theories, and the far-out questions that keep us talking long after the credits roll.
SPOILER WARNING: This episode contains major spoilers for The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi, The Rise of Skywalker, and related Star Wars movies and television series.
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Somehow we re-watched the entire Star Wars trilogy sequel.
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Uh that's not enough explanation.
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The sequel trilogy return.
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Apparently, nobody planned that part.
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Live from Problem Studios.
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What's good, fellas?
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That was good though.
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Let's go.
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That was easy.
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That worked.
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That worked.
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I goofed it up.
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No, it wasn't.
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So we are back with Star Wars.
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And uh we're gonna talk about the sequel trilogy, the highly controversial sequel trilogy.
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Right.
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Yes.
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So right, so what do we say first?
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So people always go and they say, oh, it didn't make sense, it didn't belong, it was its own separate thing.
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It basically was because it's supposed to be moving on from the last three.
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Correct, correct.
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Right?
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So it was it's seven, eight, and nine.
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But it had a small tie to it somehow, or right, but it was supposed to be like the the the next part because it's after Luke, you know what I'm saying?
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Right.
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After, you know, Odhan and all that other stuff, that now it was supposed to start a whole new thing.
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So go ahead, Tom.
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So what did each one of us think that the Force Awaken was originally when it came out?
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How do you guys feel about it when it first came out?
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So when it first came out, I thought it was gonna be like a return of the Jedi as a whole.
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That's where, like, you know, Luke was gonna come back and like, you know, float into this, you know, float back in and whatnot.
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Once they found him, they, you know, they got the map, they found him, and you know, uh, you know, he's gonna be like the savior.
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Yeah, yeah, okay, right.
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The new savior.
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We all we all assumed that he was gonna be the savior.
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Right.
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He was gonna come in, they was gonna fuck shit up.
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Right.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Like I thought she was like, Ren was gonna go over, find, bring back, you know what I'm saying?
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And that he was gonna be the support.
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You know what I mean?
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And you know, she was gonna be able to just rock.
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And were we excited about the trilogy?
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Yes.
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I was this back.
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When I saw the first one, right, I liked.
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I liked the whole thing.
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That's my favorite out of the out of the sequel trilogy, that's my favorite one.
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Right.
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And then I'm like, oh man, so with such and such.
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Right.
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And then they get to the second one, and I'm like, I didn't like the movie the way it started.
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Right, because it's it it it wasn't to me, it wasn't the Star Wars that not so much what Star Wars was, it just didn't seem like it worked well with the other, like it just it it made it right.
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Well, don't forget, Luke Skywalker was out.
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Right.
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And that's I think what the turnoff was.
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And did our opinion change after The Last Jedi, the second movie?
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No.
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Mine did.
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Really?
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Yeah, the second he threw that uh the the lightsaber over his head, I was like, what the fuck is going on here?
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Especially because you and I were talking about it recently.
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Right.
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When when R2D2 woke up and then they found the other part of the puzzle for where he was at.
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Right, right, right, right.
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Right.
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Then you're like, oh shit, they figured out where he is, so now they're gonna get back.
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And that must have been left there for a reason.
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Yeah.
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Hello?
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Right.
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Then she did stand, he goes, Yeah, fuck you, I'm throwing a settle on it.
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That doesn't make any sense.
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Right.
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And that's why I think that there was so much beef with the movie because he was so he didn't fucking talk.
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You know what I'm saying?
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It was like there was no lines.
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He wasn't expecting.
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Oh, in the first movie.
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The first one.
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They just stare at him and then it's like whatever.
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You know what I mean?
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Like there was nothing.
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Something big to happen.
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Right.
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And then the next one he was just I think the handoff was terrible.
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Yeah, or it was the handoff.
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Yeah.
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It was like uh he wasn't talking, so you're expecting something big to happen, and just throws it over his head.
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He's like, Yeah, what's the point?
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The tone just composed.
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I was like, right there.
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Where did you find this?
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The issue was is that they had too many hands in the pot.
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Right.
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That's what it that's I think the the crux of the issue with the sequel trilogy, too many hands in the pot.
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I believe it.
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So too many chefs in the kitchen, baby.
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Anyway, so so the next so this is just right questions before we start breaking it down.
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So what did you guys so after the third movie, how did you guys feel it after the end of the third movie?
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I wasn't happy with it at all.
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Yeah, I I did and I would like you said I wasn't excited.
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I didn't realize that it could actually somehow Palpatine has returned.
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Yeah, right.
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And that's shitty writing.
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Palpatine didn't fucking he didn't return.
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There's no fucking way because I don't know.
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Well, now again, we have looked through.
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I have.
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He was right.
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He was dead.
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Right.
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So like for me, I'm like, you know, we've had the conversation where I said, you know, Windu's still alive.
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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Because he fell out of the window.
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He lost a hand in the end.
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Right, yeah.
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But you could see that he that that Windu could have survived.
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You can't see how it was that uh Papa Teen survived.
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Right.
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You know what I mean?
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Like that's just two fucking parts.
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The Jedi and they can they can flip they can almost like bounce off the right.
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Yeah, like he would have bounced up right and he'd have been.
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Yeah, this dude landed in the fucking in the in the in the um car that was going past by the shit.
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Yeah, little.
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And the question is, can a movie be entertaining and badly planned?
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I say yes, the movies are entertaining.
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I don't fair enough.
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I won't take that away from them.
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No, they are.
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They are definitely entertaining to watch.
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I don't think the sequels fail because they had no good idea.
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I think they fail because they had too many interesting ideas and never given like structure and time and direction.
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Right.
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Fair enough.
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They think they're not.
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That is the the the biggest issue of the movie.
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There's a lot of handoffs, a lot of different directors.
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Like I think JJ Abrams did the first one, but they didn't do the second one, which he should have.
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Yeah, did all of them.
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Yes.
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If you're gonna, if they're gonna do that, they should have said, all right, this person's gonna do the entire trilogy.
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And you have to.
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It's like a fucking DC film.
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I guarantee you that story would not have been the way it came out now.
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Right.
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No way.
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There's no fucking way.
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I don't believe that.
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Because it was so corny to just see that.
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It was like uh Yeah, yeah.
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Like I said, this reminds me of DC movies, you know, of course.
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Right, because they always change the movies.
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Yeah, they change the director, the flow of it, the vibe of the whole movie.
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It's like, oh come on, bro.
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The movie did have a lot, especially when you watch The Force Awakens.
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The movie did have a lot going for it.
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First of all, you get to see uh a rebel story.
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You know, you got Po, Poe Damr Tamran.
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Damron or Tamrin?
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Yeah.
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I'm I'm probably Bosh messing up the name.
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But he is uh like an elite pilot.
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Right.
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And then you have um Finn, a defector, a stormtrooper defec.
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We've never seen that before in Star Wars.
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That was a I thought that was interesting though because we never saw that before in Star Wars.
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Because that was the switch up of the clones and stuff, you know what I mean?
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Like they were getting ready to clones and things are just starting to change up.
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So that makes sense.
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Uh uh turning to the dark side, right?
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You know, uh Kylo Wren or Ben Kenobi is his actual name.
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Right.
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Um, you know, the the New Republic uh recognizing that there's this new fascist threat, the new order.
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You got the star killer base, which was another interesting thing, you know, because because you had the Death Star, which was able to destroy planets, and now you had the Star Killer base, which used the power of the sun to destroy entire star systems.
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Yes.
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Right.
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So which made the Death Star look like a like a fucking musician.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I need that shirt.
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I need that shirt.
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Pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, you know what I mean?
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So I think I think the movie had a lot going for it, but again, it was the handoff between different the different movies.
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Right.
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Definitely.
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Absolutely.
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That is that is this is gonna be the theme of this episode.
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Yeah, you know, where they where the the writing just like fill up.
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I did have a problem with him killing Honda.
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I thought that I did that just didn't make sense.
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I think for dramatics it was good, and I don't think I I honestly I don't think Harrison Ford wanted to do more than one.
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Yeah, right.
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Yeah, probably.
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You know, it didn't, you know, but it just seemed weird to me because of the whole way the movie was going.
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Yeah.
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Well, I mean, I mean if we go back like for like with Han, I don't think he should have killed Han either.
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You're probably right, you know, Han didn't want to, you know, um Harrison Ford probably didn't want to do anymore.
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But I think that's a good thing.
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Have him die over the movie a different way.
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Because here's the shit.
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Well, here's the shit.
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Kylo Wren was doing it because he thought and felt and that it's supposed to be you have to kill that person in your life and you know the love or whatever to, you know, to to embrace the dark side.
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But he wasn't dark.
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Again, he was another one, just like like uh Vader, like Anakin, right, that if Mace Windu or of the like would have raised him or you know, helped him out with his Jedi power, he wouldn't have been on the dark side.
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There was too, he was too fucking nice.
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Like he like, yes, he fought the dark side and how it was that it was that he was really trying to be dark, you know?
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Right, yeah.
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He was trying to me, it looked like you were saying just saying, I was gonna say it earlier, that he was trying to be dark.
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Right, as it's coming natural, he was pushing it.
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So that's the thing that I always say is the difference between Kylo Wren and Anakin Skywalker, or I could say Anakin Skywalker, right?
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Is that like Anakin Skywalker was trying to be good, but he naturally fell to the dark side.
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Right, right.
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Yes.
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As where Kylo Wren was forcing himself to be dark dark.
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Yeah.
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Oh, are you gonna help me?
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And they, you know, he kills his father and pushed him over.
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It's like he forced it to be dark.
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It's like, I gotta be dark, I gotta be dark, I gotta do some dark shit.
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Yeah, as where like Anakin's like, I'm trying not to do dark shit, but I'm gonna do dark shit.
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Yeah, he gotta help because I'm trying to, but he had like he was doing the dark shit.
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Anakin was doing it because of something that he thought that was going to be that he was gonna be.
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I mean that dark-seated shit, you know, about Trump and a lot of manipulation as well from uh what's his face?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Kylo, there was nothing wrong with that motherfucker.
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No, like he had a good life, yeah.
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He had a really good fucking life, bro.
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He was chilling, you know what I mean?
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Yeah, exactly.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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And then for all that to fight and do all that dumb shit to come to the door, you know, to come to the light.
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Come to the light anyway.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Which is like really weird to me.
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
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But it was just so the writing, it was just like a pinball machine was natural.
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Exactly.
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Like he was he just needed a spanking.
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But uh, you know, uh, I think I did like BB8 the character.
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I thought that was different.
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And he wasn't an another, he wasn't like a replacement for R2.
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R2, right, he wasn't.
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He was his own kind of deal.
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And I thought it was a cool premises where like he was a rolling ball with like a magnetic top.
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I thought that was kind of cool that, you know, because I I know that they're trying to progress things with technology and the story to show that you know, technology changes.
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But it's funny though, because the gram skin uh grand scheme of Star Wars is like the um high-tech civilization has been around for like 25,000 years.
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Right.
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Can you imagine like living in a high-tech society for 25,000 years?
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I know that they're trying to advance things, but I don't think I think at a certain point like a stagnate technology.
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But that's just my personal opinion.
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Right.
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Well, I mean, yeah.
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No, I would think it would continue to grow.
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Yeah, but like but to what?
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You know what I mean?
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Because higher technology We never thought of the stuff that's coming out now in reality, and we're like, holy shit, I can't believe they can do that now.
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Well, but even like we, you know, like we'll you know, skip for that quickie for a sec to like even Star Trek.
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah, Star Wars Star Trek, they get to which we're getting into next.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's gonna be next year.
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But like when the you can't do anything more, you know, other than that everybody's gonna freaking, you know, is like No, you could just make the machine better.
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Yeah, that's right.
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You could always make the machine better.
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And then enhance it in some way that seemed like anything like an automobile or whatever.
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Definitely so they would progress absolutely to better.
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But I don't think like society as a whole like that doesn't be like fucking member.
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You would just gradually fall into it because you learn it that way, like we did.
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Right, right, exactly.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I I I in the first movie I did like Ray's character.
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I thought it was interesting, you know, a scavenger, you know, in a desert planet where like there's I don't there must have been they never really explained, but I I I'm assuming there was like a big war where the Empire lost, maybe you know, towards the end when they were breaking apart after Palpantine died, because there's all these like star destroyers that are just like like these like dead star destroyers, and she scavenges and they basically just for food where she was like one like a bread, one quarter portion.
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Yeah, yeah, you know, like yeah, I forgot about sickhead.
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Anyway, yeah, but uh and I the one thing I did like in the movie I thought was a good cinematics was at the end when uh Ray and um Kylo Wren are fighting in that snowy forest.
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Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That was cool.
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Just like fucking hitting the trees, lightsabers figuring it out.
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Cool, yeah, yeah.
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She was figuring it out.
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That was cool, yeah.
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And you know, a lot of people do criticize, they go, Oh, the lightsaber duels weren't as good as the the the the prequels.
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It's like the thing I I think people fail to understand is is they did work well with continuity.
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In the prequels, you have people who were trained under the Jedi Order for exact the whole entire life.
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They're like experts in in lightsaber combat.
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They were brought up as children during lightsaber combat.
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So of course they're gonna be amazing.
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Of course, the choreography is fucking amazing in the prequels.
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Right.
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But in the sequel trilogy, there's no Jedi Order, there's not learning shit on their own.
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So there's really no you know, lightsaber combat skills.
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Doesn't Leia though train her though?
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No.
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In the third one?
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No, Leia didn't train her.
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Yeah, remember when she's running around and she's training.
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Oh, yeah, that's right.
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She did they did do like a whole like little trading.
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Oh, the third one?
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Yeah.
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With with uh with Ray, yeah, and and and is it the third or second one?
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It might have been maybe.
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Well, you know, it was that I forgot about that part, like totally forgot about that shit.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But even still, it's like, you know, it it's 'cause Leia technically trained as well, right?
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Right, but when she saw something or something happened to her, and she was like, oh, I can't do this.
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Yeah, she trained a little bit.
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Like well, she got she got blown out of the fucking spaceship, held her breath kind of thing.
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And then that was one of the things I was talking about earlier about that to me, that was a little too much for me.
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Yeah.
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I mean that's it was just it didn't make sense to me.
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How could she do that?
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Well, but because that was her using the force.
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And then we're looking at so let's look at it like this.
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Think about it like this.
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Here it is where Luke has gone and he has trained and you know, meditated and done all that he can, has been able to do with what he knew and how he learned from you know what was left of Jedi, Yoda.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Him practicing, he knows that, you know, I will live forever, you know, and with the force and that kind of shit.
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And now here it is where Leia is learning the same thing.
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Like she's actually meditating and you know, trying part of new shit and you know, trying to move things across.
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I think that's why, like for me, I don't find that kind of far-fetched.
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I kind of get it.
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So she was using the force in her own way.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Exactly.
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That's exactly how she survived, using the force.
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Well, that's kind of like in Rogue One, right?
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Sorry.
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Right.
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Where the uh the blind man was doing the same thing.
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Yeah, right.
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He was tapping into the force.
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Right.
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He was able to.
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But he didn't have enough metacloriens in his system for you know to be Jedi.
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But he still was able to do and use what he thought, what he felt, how he was.
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It worked.
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Yeah.
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So anybody could do it.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah, definitely.
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Yeah, I just think that for this one, like with with Kylo Ren, he was just trying too fucking hard.
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Yeah, I think so too.
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I think I agree.
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I totally agree with you.
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I was like, oh, it's the whole anger thing.
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And then he's punching his wound.
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Yeah.
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I'm like, okay, yeah, I'm not getting this.
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Yeah.
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Why is he so pissed off at the world?
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Like he came from two really good parents when you think about that necessarily doesn't, and even in real life, it doesn't go right either.
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Even when people think, and then the kid winds up going in a totally different direction.
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You never see it coming.
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So go ahead.
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So I think where the movie does struggle is that it does follow New Hope a little too well, too closely.
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Starkiller Base is basically another Death Star, just a stronger Death Star.
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Right.
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Even though it's cool, as I mentioned before, it is kind of a repeat.
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The New Republic is destroyed before people can even understand what the New Republic is.
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They really don't really nail that down.
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Right, right.
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I I but it is kind of hard in a movie to do that, but I think they could have done a little bit better job of the setup.
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The same thing with like the forced the first orders rise, they don't really explain that well either.
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Right.
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It's just like they're there.
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Right.
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You know what I mean?
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Like no one explains anything, they're just there.
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And you know, Ray's power uh level raises questions, the trilogy never answers consistently.
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You know what I mean?
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So, and and then Luke is just like a cliffhanger.
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And we mentioned that before we started.
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Right.
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You know, he's just like, it's just like they just leave it like it's so weird the way they end it, like no words.
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It's just like he disappears like both rewanded.
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Yeah, but he didn't even die.
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No, well, well, you know what I'm saying?
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Like, well, I mean, like, you know what I mean?
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Like it wasn't like it was just a part of that.
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I'm talking about the first thing, and it's just like and the sucked that fucking.
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I didn't mind that part so much because then I mean I thought, oh wow, what's he gonna do when we go back?
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And they're gonna hopefully start from that point.
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You'll see, you know.
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But for me, it should have been earlier in the movie and him have some words, like, you know, I think they made Luke too much of a of a like, I don't want to say loner, I guess.
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Well, I I guess so, yeah, you know, too much of a pump.
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I mean he was still good in the movie.
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He did a great job in the movie.
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Right.
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You know what I mean?
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I thought that, you know.
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And and one of the other things too is like I agree with you.
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So so when we go on to the next movie, right?
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The the last is it the last Jedi?
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The last Jedi is the second movie, right?
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So they never really explain who Ray's parents are.
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Right, by the way.
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But it's what's his name, isn't it?
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Um Yeah, but it's not explained it's not really explained fully.
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They don't fully explain how Luke disappears.
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Right.
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You know, like I mean at towards the end, you know, when when like he used too much force.
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Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I think he was quoted saying that he overdosed on the force or something.
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Yeah.
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That's weird.
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That's that's weird, I think.
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Right.
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Um, they also don't explain who Snoke is.
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You don't really they kind of they show it in the third movie, but they really don't when you see like the clones.
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Right, right, right.
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Um So I think that's another and I think that might be attributed to a pro improper handoffs of different directors.
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Yes.
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Again, this is the this is the crux of the issue with the sequels.
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Right.
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Too many hands in the fucking pot.
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Yes.
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Keep it consistent with one director, one or two producers.
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That's it.
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And I hope they because there's talks about them continuing the story after Rise of Skywalker.
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And I hope they learn their lesson and keep it one creative fucking direction.
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Right.
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Because that is the problem, right?
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Keep it tight.
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Well, I don't know what they're doing with the other series on like on Disney, right?
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So each one of those and it sticks within its same story.
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You know it's doing stuff.
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So I think that's exactly what they should be doing.
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So like digging in certain animations, right?
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You'll have like a guest, uh, and even some of the DC TV shows, they had guest directors, but they stayed with that same story.
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Right.
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You know what I'm saying?
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They stayed with that same story.
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Yeah, just a little bit of something, but it was still the same story.
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Right.
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They followed the comic book.
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Right.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Why the fuck can't they do that with Star Wars?
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Right.
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I I don't understand that shit.
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Was there another another series that came out afterwards?
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Well, yeah, there's a whole shitload of books and comics and stuff of Star Wars.
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Like Star Wars could have its own library.
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So after the the the first six.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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It just continues.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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There's a whole bunch of things that we don't see, but that's where a lot of the animated the animated series come from.
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Series of series, animated series C.
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Animated series.
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That's where the animated series came from.
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A lot of them, you know, like they said, the the um the Clone Wars, um, Bad Bads, Ahsoka's, the cartoon, um, the rebels.
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Like a lot of that stuff came from the in-between, the conversation.
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Yeah, like you said, all those things came from the books, the stories, you know, the comics and all that other.
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That's all the in-between stuff.
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Right.
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And that's what I like.
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And that's what, but that's what they needed to do with these.
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Maybe they'll do it.
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Maybe they'll do it on.
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Well, it was Disney that put the movies out, right?
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Yeah.
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I was thinking maybe they'll fix it by going doing it in the series of each one of those.
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Well, right, but they haven't done it with these three.
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But they haven't done it with these three like that.
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You know what I mean?
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We're still getting Anakin was with Ahsoka, right?
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I mean, right, but that's the prequel.
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Like that's the between worlds kind of thing, right?
00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:03.519
What was that called?
00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:06.720
Right, but that was her getting like her becoming the master.
00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:14.400
Like this is the end of her, like, this is her journey and all that other stuff, her meditation that she saw Anakin and that's what made her a master.
00:21:14.640 --> 00:21:15.440
You know what I mean?
00:21:16.400 --> 00:21:17.599
That was a little bit different.
00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:24.400
With these, like I said, with these three, these last three episodes, there's they're they're so far off from each other.
00:21:24.559 --> 00:21:24.720
Yeah.
00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:25.279
You know what I mean?
00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:31.119
That is like it would take three series between each one to keep the first one, right?
00:21:31.519 --> 00:21:32.480
And start over.
00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:36.240
So change two and change three.
00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:40.240
So with the last Jedi, so what did it what did it get right?
00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:44.000
I think uh the cinematography was probably the best.
00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:47.759
You didn't even go with the story if they were they recorded it really lovely.
00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:50.079
The special effects were good too.
00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:53.440
They did an amazing job with the cinematography.
00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:53.920
Right.
00:21:54.079 --> 00:21:55.279
So yes, it was beautiful.
00:21:55.440 --> 00:21:57.519
I'm not gonna say it was pretty.
00:21:57.759 --> 00:21:58.160
Purdy.
00:21:58.319 --> 00:21:59.279
Got pretty mouth.
00:21:59.599 --> 00:21:59.759
Yeah.
00:22:01.359 --> 00:22:09.680
One of the things I did like in that movie too was the uh the throne room uh fight sequence where they actually get to see the Imperial Guards fight.
00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:09.920
Yeah.
00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:13.119
Because they were always just standing there standing there.
00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:17.359
And then you get to see like, holy shit, these guys know how to get down.
00:22:17.839 --> 00:22:34.880
And if you actually follow the story uh with them, of you go into like if you deep dive into like their training, they have like this intense training where like they they there's like a planet they go to and they they they get selected for this training and they go through like this like Spartan type fucking crazy fucking training.
00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:35.359
Yep.
00:22:35.599 --> 00:22:38.559
To only just stand there and be ready in case some shit happens.
00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:39.440
Yeah, right, right.
00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:42.640
And like it's it's cra the the kind of training they go through is pretty intense.
00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:43.839
What do they look like?
00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:45.119
Those are the ones with the red.
00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:47.200
I know that, but what do they look like without that stuff?
00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:48.319
I mean, they're they're humans.
00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:50.000
Humanoids are humanoids.
00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:50.880
Yeah, yeah.
00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:53.519
Yeah, because they look like um they look almost like the uh the Sith.
00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:55.519
What planet would they went with the witches?
00:22:55.599 --> 00:22:58.400
They look almost like that, like uh Darthyrian?
00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:00.480
Yes, yeah, they look still with something more like that.
00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:01.519
If I'm so yeah.
00:23:01.759 --> 00:23:11.519
Okay, but and but still with even with that, that's a story that you get a piece of during like Darthmall, like the old ones, you know, when they were showing with Darthmore.
00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:12.559
But now they got the new series.
00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:13.680
Now they have the new series, yeah.
00:23:13.759 --> 00:23:15.279
I still have finished it.
00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:16.319
Yeah, it's like I got like another series.
00:23:16.480 --> 00:23:17.599
I gotta watch it to go, you're right.
00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:18.880
I got like another episode to go.
00:23:19.039 --> 00:23:24.319
But still, it's just I I just wish that they would they did I love Star Wars, man.
00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:25.839
I really love Star Wars.
00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:30.240
And I just wish that with these last three there would have been more connection.
00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:31.039
You know what I mean?
00:23:31.279 --> 00:23:33.200
And I said earlier that they felt like they were rushed.
00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:34.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:23:34.720 --> 00:23:35.440
And I I agree.
00:23:35.519 --> 00:23:36.799
It felt like it was rushed.
00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:49.920
And I do think though, uh Luke projecting himself instead of just slaughtering the Jedi is like such a I mean, instead of slaughtering the first order, right, is probably one of the most like Jedi things you could do.
00:23:50.240 --> 00:23:50.640
Oh, yeah.
00:23:50.799 --> 00:23:52.799
But I think they did get that right.
00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:53.839
They got that right.
00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:58.079
But then it should have been like him being like, right, him projecting.
00:23:58.319 --> 00:23:59.599
But not that it kills him.
00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:00.559
That was the real thing.
00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:00.880
Right.
00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:01.519
That's what I'm saying.
00:24:01.599 --> 00:24:04.640
It shouldn't have done because he by now should have been like a supermaster.
00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:05.039
You know what I mean?
00:24:05.200 --> 00:24:05.519
Yeah, yeah.
00:24:05.599 --> 00:24:07.920
Like he uses force projection, but it doesn't kill him.
00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:10.640
That's the thing that I I think that kind of was weak.
00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:11.039
Right.
00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:13.200
But again, you know, uh, it's funny.
00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:16.480
Writing sometimes has a lot to do with what happens behind the scenes.
00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:17.200
Wait, wait.
00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:18.799
Like maybe he didn't want to do a third movie.
00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:21.039
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:22.960
We're gonna do the throwback for a second.
00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:23.839
Okay, let's go.
00:24:24.319 --> 00:24:51.599
Remember, if you remember, and um when Luke and I believe it was Return of the Jedi, when, or it might have been Empire, but anyways, but when he turned around and he went to go um see Yoda, Yoda had said that the more he uses the force, and how like how like when he was picking up the um the X-Wing Fighter out of the swamp, that him using that much of the force takes his life energy.
00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:52.160
Yeah.
00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:59.519
So he says, you know, that's when that's why you turn around and you see that when he turned around, he like, and he lifts it up and he places it down, he's like, lay down, I must.
00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:01.039
Well, he was old too.
00:25:01.119 --> 00:25:05.519
So because of two, now we look at all of the in-between movies.
00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:10.480
So now we see when Yoda was younger and he's like, Znk, you know what I mean?
00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:11.279
And now he's fighting.
00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:12.799
He throws his cloak off, and now he's fighting.
00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:13.519
What's his face?
00:25:13.599 --> 00:25:18.960
And he's jumping all over the place, and he's using the force, and he's like, like he's doing all that shit.
00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:21.839
So it's all the fights that we didn't see that Yoda had.
00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:28.319
So that then him being a thousand years old is more like he's 1500, 2,000 years old.
00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:28.640
Maybe.
00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:29.519
You get what I'm saying?
00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:29.759
Yeah.
00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:47.279
So that then here it is where he was a special of a special race that was able to, you know, to handle the force as such, but then you have Luke, who's a regular human, and he may not be able, his life, so we know we're gonna live to be a hundred years old.
00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:58.640
So his his body, his life force couldn't handle projecting well in the original series, Obi-Wan wasn't as strong as he was when he fought in the original Star Wars, the first one.
00:25:58.799 --> 00:25:59.039
Right.
00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:02.640
When he fit when he's like, you strike me down, I'll become more powerful than that.
00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:02.960
Right.
00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:05.920
Because that was what they said because they're gonna go, you know, and be one with the forces.
00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:09.200
But then you saw the you saw the actual remake.
00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:16.880
Someone did a short and said, now that they know how to do the lightsaber fights and all that, what Obi-Wan and Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:21.599
You go at it like super crazy, throwing shit at each other, like we were having a battle.
00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:22.319
Yeah, exactly.
00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:31.279
So do you think Luke's failure with Ben or Kylo Ren, if you want to say we'll say Ben Kenobi.
00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:34.400
Not Ben Kenobi, um Ben Solo.
00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:34.799
Yeah.
00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:38.799
So do you think that's uh believable?
00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:40.720
I don't know.
00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:41.680
I don't know.
00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:43.200
Well, why not?
00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:44.000
I don't know.
00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:46.640
I just felt like that was just you know made up too.
00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:50.079
So my thing is I I mean it was cause made up, but but I mean Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:26:50.319 --> 00:26:53.359
I believe Luke can become become disillusioned.
00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:55.440
I believe he did fail Ben.
00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:57.359
I believe that he became ashamed.
00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:06.079
What I struggle with is the most important transformation in Luke's entire adult life happened off screen and we only received fragments of it.
00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:07.359
Right, right, right, right, right.
00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:12.799
It's like really see I feel like they they could have showed a lot more detail in what happened.
00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:14.559
Kind of what he did and what he went through and everything.
00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:16.640
Yeah, and that's why exactly.
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:20.640
Because once he left, once he disappeared, because was it that what was it that he came back for?
00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:22.799
I I'm having a brain fart, so I apologize.
00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:24.000
He had come back for something.
00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:28.079
When he when then yeah, because wasn't he um was it in the Mandalorian or whatever?
00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:33.920
Yeah, they showed him the temple, yeah, right, starting to build it and all the stuff that he went through.
00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:38.880
Oh, because then even still with that, where's Grogu?
00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:39.440
Right.
00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:40.160
You know what I'm saying?
00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:42.559
Now he's here, but I mean, like, you know and he met him.
00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:45.519
Yeah, they were actually met one another after the fact.
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:51.759
Yeah, because well, because Luke went and picked him up, you know, helped him out, took care of him, whatever, trained him a little bit, you know, after Ahsoka.
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:54.799
So it's like, you know, where that would be cool to see.
00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:56.799
But now we have to have a backstory.
00:27:57.039 --> 00:27:58.960
Do we go backwards with the movie making?
00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:08.720
Or do again, like I said before, get the animated series and put them in between to see, you know, what Luke was really doing, you know, what when he trained too much.
00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:10.160
Do a good thing.
00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:13.119
They rushed so many, they rushed so many things.
00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:13.920
Yeah, they did.
00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:18.640
Like, like, I feel like we didn't even get to like learn much about Snoke.
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:24.240
It's just like he was killed, like you saw this big guy in the holograms, and you finally see him, and then I killed him.
00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:25.599
I was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:26.720
Like, what the fuck was that?
00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:29.920
You know, and and also the other thing too is the Knights of Ren.
00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:31.599
Like, they don't ghouls.
00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:34.160
They're just like, well, that was like the line of ghouls.
00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:35.599
Like, what the fuck does that supposed to mean?
00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:36.480
Yeah, they're like, what the fuck?
00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:37.039
Ghoul what?
00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:37.599
No ghouls.
00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:38.240
You know what I mean?
00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:39.759
Like ghoulows, what's the fuck?
00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:44.240
Like, okay, so like he has like a posse, like, what's going on here?
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:46.640
Like they don't really explain the knights of Ren much.
00:28:46.720 --> 00:28:46.799
Right.
00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:48.480
Like what what what the fuck is that?
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:49.839
Like they don't really explain it much.
00:28:50.000 --> 00:29:07.440
Yeah, there was just too much, like I said, there were so many, but then uh so was that done on purpose so that this way they could expand, you know, on on you know, having the like I said, the animated series and the you know the the the one-off shows, you know, on in between to show those things?
00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:08.000
Yeah, right, right.
00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:09.359
But then they didn't even make those.
00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:11.839
So that then now you have these three movies, right?
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:14.160
They never made anything to sit in between.
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:21.519
You know, there was no, you know, quote unquote like an and or there was no you know, rebels, there was no bad batch, you know, that kind of shit in between.
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:26.000
But doesn't she come up at the end of the movie with her own lightsaber, right?
00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:27.039
It's a different design.
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:27.599
You see a light.
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:28.960
Right, but it was just a handle.
00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:30.400
Where did she even get the crystal from?
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:31.119
Does she take it off?
00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:33.200
It wasn't even like a crystal.
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:35.359
Yeah, it was a white one, right, because she was on some other shit.
00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:37.599
But that but I'm trying to remember she but she had the crystal.
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:42.240
The white uh lightsabers are actually, if you if you Yeah, I forgot what they fooled.
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:46.240
So like they explained that I don't know if they explained that Ahsoka, or I I I looked it up.
00:29:46.640 --> 00:29:46.880
Right, right.
00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:49.279
Because Ahsoka, she has a white lightsaber too.
00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:55.920
So it's apparently white lightsabers are purified crystals that were once um bled.
00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:56.240
Right.
00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:07.440
So like you take a Sith kyber crystal, which is you know, makes turns the lightsaber red, and then it's purified, I don't know how, through you know, putting positive energy or light energy into it, and then it turns white.
00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:10.079
I'm trying to remember whose lightsaber she had.
00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:12.480
Did she have Kylo Rens?
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:14.240
It was uh what's his name?
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:17.200
No, but she had because she had did she have two with her?
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:19.519
No, she had one that looked like that she made herself.
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:27.759
It was a wider, it was it was a different handle, and you see her when she turned it on, and then her name was and she said Skywalker.
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:29.359
Yeah, right, right, right, right.
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:29.599
Yeah.
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:31.519
I'm just trying to remember where she got that other one from.
00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:34.960
Like if she got the where she got the crystal, because she could change the colour.
00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:35.759
Maybe it was Tyler's.
00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:40.960
Right, maybe it was his and she did that to the story if she took his actual.
00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:41.680
That's what I'm saying.
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:43.759
Yeah, because I'm having a brain for I can't remember where she got it from.
00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:46.559
I'd be lying if I said yeah, that's actually a good thought.
00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:47.680
I never even thought of that.
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:50.400
Well, again, still, it's another story.
00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:50.640
Right.
00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:51.279
You know what I mean?
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:52.880
That they that that that was left unaction.
00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:55.440
I say go back to one and start over.
00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:55.920
Yeah.
00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:57.440
Do two or three over.
00:30:57.519 --> 00:30:57.680
Yeah.
00:30:57.839 --> 00:30:58.640
The way it should have been done.
00:30:58.799 --> 00:30:58.960
Yeah.
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:00.400
Well, seven and eight.
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:01.359
I mean, you know what I mean.
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:02.079
Seven, eight, nine.
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:02.240
Yeah.
00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:04.319
I mean of the series two and I meant, not.
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:05.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:05.759
Gotcha.
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:05.920
Okay.
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:06.400
My bad.
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:07.680
I should say seven, eight, nine, you're right.
00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:09.839
But it's just, it's just, it's just wild, bro.
00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:14.319
I don't understand what they're thinking when they when they do these.
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:19.359
Because, you know, geeks like us, we're like, follow the fucking story, man.
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:19.920
You know what I mean?
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:20.880
Like, this is what was said.
00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:22.079
Why didn't they have this?
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:26.559
And people disagree with us, but when they're made like that, everybody's fucking happy.
00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:32.160
When it's made like boom, boom, boom, coming out from, you know, comic books or the or or the paperback.
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:32.640
You know what I mean?
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:33.359
The way it was.
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:34.480
The way that it should be.
00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:37.279
You know, people are like, oh yeah, well, you know, I could have said this, but we're not gonna be able to do that.
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:40.640
Yeah, they might change a couple things, but it'll be Yeah, but it was it was that, man.
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:42.880
You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:43.680
It's great.
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:46.000
It's it's it's great when they follow it.
00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:47.680
It sucks when they fucking don't.
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:48.000
Right.
00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:50.960
You know, then you get aggravated and you sit in there and I'm jumping up in the theater.
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:52.799
No, like what the fuck?
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:54.319
Son of a bitch.
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:56.079
Give me a free popcorn.
00:31:56.319 --> 00:32:00.319
So yeah, the so the next segment I want to talk about is the the director Tug of War.
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:01.039
Okay.
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:16.240
So like you know, the uh rather than making the you know, conversation about JJ Abrams versus uh Ryan Johnson, uh is that the leadership and trilogy planning uh problem, right?
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:16.640
Right.
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:23.519
So like you have episode seven, which creates a lot of mysteries, right?
00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:23.920
Right.
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:28.160
Then episode eight comes and it dismantles all the fucking mysteries.
00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:28.400
Right.
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:31.440
And then episode nine comes and it tries to restore and replace them.
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:31.759
Yeah.
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:36.720
So I think that's that again, it's can you write your handoff?
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:39.359
Again, this is this is the biggest problem.
00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:47.200
If you talk to anybody who says they don't like the sequel trilogy, which is a lot of people, right, the main issue is the writing.
00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:51.680
Like I don't I don't think anybody argues the cinematics or the special effect.
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:52.799
Right, yes, right.
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:59.039
Yes, terrible because of all the handoffs.
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:01.680
Yep, yeah, and they had good people, good actors.
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:02.880
Yeah, no, no, no, no.
00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:03.680
They did a great job.
00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:08.960
I absolutely I think all of them did an amazing job acting.
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:23.839
It's just a this goes to show you that like you can have great directors, you can have great uh actors, you can have great cinematography, great special effects, but if the writing is shit, yeah.
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:25.039
Yep.
00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:27.359
Yeah, is that Pac-Man?
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:28.079
Yeah, Pac-Man, he went.
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:30.880
Yeah, exactly.
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:33.119
It was it just it sucks, man.
00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:39.440
Cause I mean, think of how many people how many of us are excited for Star Wars, you know?
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:48.079
Like I love Star Wars, you know, and here it is where you get this little shit and it's just like it throws a wrench in it, bro.
00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:51.920
It just I will can I just say this one thing?
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:52.640
Yeah, go ahead, man.
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:54.480
Is it Poe the one who defected?
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:55.359
Finn.
00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:56.480
Finn, I'm sorry.
00:33:56.720 --> 00:33:57.440
Poe is the pilot.
00:33:57.599 --> 00:33:57.680
Right.
00:33:58.079 --> 00:33:58.480
Sorry, my bad.
00:33:58.559 --> 00:33:59.440
I got him first.
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:07.119
So Finn, I thought that somehow in the next movie, when he remember when he got hurt, he tried to use the force, right?
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:09.599
He was gonna become a freaking Jedi.
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:10.159
Right.
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:10.639
You know, right.
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:12.480
Yes, I really thought that that was gonna happen.
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:14.480
He should have been.
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:15.360
They should have been, absolutely.
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:18.559
They should have made him, they should have let they should have let him be a Jedi.
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:21.440
Right, come back as that, you know, like Yes.
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:22.559
Well, not even come back.
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:24.880
Like, you know, he was he was an untrained Jedi.
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:27.599
He was they never checked his metaclorines, you know what I mean?
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:30.880
Like they should have, they should have made him a Jedi.
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:33.760
He had all of the heart to be a Jedi.
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:34.239
Yeah.
00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:35.519
And that would have been interesting.
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:37.599
Yeah, because he was fighting with with with Ray.
00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:42.159
You know, he not fighting with her, but they were tag teaming against um against Ren.
00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:42.480
Right.
00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:43.039
You know what I mean?
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:43.519
Yeah, yeah.
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:44.000
In the first movie.
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:45.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:49.119
So then they should have made, you know, they should have been like, you know, you know, was it what movie was that?
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:50.639
Uh you have some skill.
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:51.599
And then what's her name?
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:54.239
It's just she just goes to town.
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:54.960
Yeah.
00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:56.800
And and because she had the force.
00:34:56.960 --> 00:34:59.280
But they should have they should I think they should have let him.
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:01.280
He should have he should have definitely had some.
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:03.440
But I'm sorry, guy, you uh No, no, no.
00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:06.079
So um So you were saying the directors.
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:06.559
Yeah.
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:10.960
This is you know I think they should have let JJ Abrance just do the whole show.
00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:12.159
I should have done it.
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:15.199
It's too bad that he didn't say, listen, if I'm doing it, I'm doing all of it.
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:16.960
Well, no, because he was doing the first one.
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:18.960
I don't think he even knew that he wasn't gonna do the next one.
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:23.199
I would have said, hey, listen, if I'm gonna do the first one, I want to be for all of the next two.
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:25.519
He probably thought he was.
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:26.079
You know what I mean?
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:29.280
I think Yeah, you gotta secure it though, because they hope stupid shit.
00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:39.440
Whatever future projects they work on, if they're gonna go anything post Rise of Skywalker, that they learn their lesson and keep continuity.
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:47.280
Because that is you know, again, it's it's it's the biggest issue with a sequel trilogy is continuity.
00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:50.079
So Well, now here's a question for you.
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:55.920
Do you think that they would actually go with movies or just make a whole bunch of series?
00:35:56.480 --> 00:35:57.360
They're gonna do movies.
00:35:57.440 --> 00:35:59.280
I I think there's talks about them doing it.
00:35:59.679 --> 00:35:59.840
Right.
00:35:59.920 --> 00:36:05.599
Everything is all talks because how many times didn't they already say, oh yeah, like there was quote unquote leaks?
00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:16.400
You know, there's a leak of this happening, there's a leak of that happening, and then it turns out that it was like, yeah, no, no, it doesn't matter what the what what Lucasfilms wanted, you know, we run it now and we're not doing that.
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:18.400
You know, we're gonna make this series instead.
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:18.639
Right.
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:31.360
I think the smartest thing that happened was is that all these TV series, like Dave Falone um making a lot of the stuff, is that um they're trying to do some cleanup with the trilogies.
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:44.480
Where in Mandalorian, they're kind of explaining how Grogu is they take his DNA because they're trying to bring Palpatine back, you know, through uh through Grogu's uh DNA, you know, with the Metaclor.
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:45.519
That's what they were gonna do?
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:46.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:47.519
They they kind of explained that.
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:54.880
If you watch the Mandalorian, like that was the whole thing where they were trying to the cloning process, they were trying to figure out the cloning by using it.
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:55.519
Right.
00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:56.480
That's what they're trying to get them.
00:36:56.559 --> 00:36:56.719
Yeah.
00:36:56.800 --> 00:36:58.880
So spoiler alert, sorry, those of you who didn't see it.
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:01.840
I didn't realize Mendalore's been out for how many years?
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:02.800
I didn't realize that.
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:03.679
That's that's interesting.
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:25.679
So they're they're trying to do some cleanup work on it, which I I give them credit for because they knew that the sequel trilogy kind of so I I think that is smart because the thing also not to go too off topic, but if you remember um the prequel trilogy, when it came out, it wasn't well received like it is now.
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:31.760
In fact, I was reading something recently about um what's her name that played uh Padme.
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:34.639
Yes, why is her name in my tongue?
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:36.719
Oh my god, I'm so terrible with names.
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:37.840
I should know her name after.
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:38.880
I see her, uh yeah.
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:39.519
But go ahead.
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:40.400
Right?
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:40.960
Huh?
00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:43.840
No, um No, Padme was her real name in real life.
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:45.920
Oh my god, I should remember her name.
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:48.159
Oh my god, I'm I'm I'm stupid sometimes.
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:49.119
You guys don't notice.
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:53.039
Yeah, I you know, you don't remember either.
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:54.559
But go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:58.000
She was saying that it fucked her career up a little bit.
00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:03.280
And then, you know, someone vouched for her and she got the you know, she did the black swan and everything like that.
00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:03.920
Right.
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:06.960
And um You're talking about Natalie, uh Natalie Portman.
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:07.440
Natalie.
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:08.239
Oh my fuck.
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:09.840
I was almost always already there.
00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:13.119
It aged better, the prequels.
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:16.079
It they weren't well received by fans.
00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:18.800
There was a lot of people who weren't crazy about it.
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:33.920
But as time went on, because more content came out, the Clone Wars series came out, Bad Batch, Rebels, Ahsoka, now all of a sudden people started liking the prequels because it added more continuity.
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:34.400
Right.
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:44.880
So I think there is a good chance that the sequel trilogy some people might start liking it better if more continuity is added to it to cle do some of the cleanup work.
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:53.760
So I think the fact that they are doing some cleanup work where they're adding some continuity to the uh sequel trilogy might help.
00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:57.679
But again, I still think it was poorly executed.
00:38:58.000 --> 00:38:59.440
But how did it ruin her career?
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:00.239
Did she say that?
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:06.559
Well, she was worried about it because that it got really bad because the the you know it it wasn't received well.
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:17.119
Someone vouched for her and she was able to get more stuff, but she even you know, it was even stated that like, you know, um, because it it just didn't have good reviews, the the the prequel trilogy.
00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:17.760
That's crazy.
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:20.480
That doesn't make any sense because I mean I'm I I hear what you're saying.
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:23.760
It just because you were looking at it now, we're going, oh, the fucking prequel trilogy.
00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:25.199
No, even in Austin, you know what I mean?
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:28.719
No, because even back then, you know, Star Wars fans.
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:30.880
But I mean, but she was picking moves to me.
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:31.199
I don't know.
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:33.440
I g I I guess yeah, you don't they don't call you for the movies.
00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:40.079
We're a little biased because we're Star Wars fans, but I think overall in the grand scheme of things for actors, yeah.
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:41.679
Yeah, okay, that makes sense, I guess.
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:43.039
Yeah, I you know, I don't know.
00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:44.559
I didn't I don't know.
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:47.199
I I just I I think she's a good you know she's a great actress.
00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:48.320
Oh, of course, of course.
00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:49.920
I thought she's a great job.
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:54.880
Because even what you said, critics didn't receive it well, but now it is well received.
00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:55.840
That's the ironic part of it.
00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:56.320
That's crazy.
00:39:56.719 --> 00:39:57.679
Performance a good act, yeah.
00:39:57.760 --> 00:39:58.320
Yes, very good.
00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:01.119
Great, but but she was very little, she's that's what I'm saying.
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:05.840
Like all those things from when she was a kid, like I don't understand why it was it they would say, ah, yeah, you know, it ruined her career.
00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:07.920
Like, you know, I don't know, that's crazy.
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:15.599
No, she was she's been able to do and I she's probably to her own credit, I'm sure, that she didn't allow herself to get boxed into one.
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:20.719
Yeah, well, because it was actually a register that kind of vouched for her and she was able to get more stuff.
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:21.519
That's wild.
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:26.239
But now it's like it's kind of turned around where like the prequels everybody loves it now.
00:40:26.719 --> 00:40:28.000
Just needed some time to grow on it.
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:28.159
Yeah.
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:28.480
Yeah.
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:28.639
Right.
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:29.440
But you know what?
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:30.639
That's a lot of those movies though.
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:31.119
You know what I mean?
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:31.679
Because think about it.
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:36.800
When when Star Wars first first came out, it was great because it was that, you know, that crazy sci-fi thing.
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:37.360
You know what I mean?
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:42.719
It was yeah, it was an upgrade from watching, you know, uh Buck Rogers on TV, you know what I'm saying?
00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:48.000
He was on the the big screen because they hadn't even still they didn't even make um Star Wars uh Star Trek yet.
00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:48.960
Not the thing into the picture.
00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:49.599
Right, into the thing.
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:52.320
So that was all that came out around the same time.
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:52.719
Right.
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:54.480
So you had all those movies that all those.
00:40:56.880 --> 00:40:58.320
We'll get into that when we start the next one.
00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:03.039
I've heard 10 years from now, we might be singing a different tune about the trilogy, the the sequel of the trilogy.
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:04.639
No, yeah, you probably doubt it.
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:07.199
What the Star Wars one?
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:07.599
Yeah.
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:08.960
No, it blossoms.
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:12.079
I'm gonna have to.
00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:13.679
I have let go on this one.
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:17.039
Yeah, wow from previous episodes.
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:18.880
Yes, no, then you don't lose.
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:19.599
Good shit.
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:20.239
Good shit.
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:23.119
I have come to the realization they suck.
00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:24.559
Well, see, that's the thing.
00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:27.679
But again, the movies didn't suck.
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:28.880
The storyline.
00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:30.079
There's good parts to it.
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:30.800
Yes, absolutely.
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:31.920
I'll have to agree with that.
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:33.679
Yes, I did enjoy those parts of the movie.
00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:34.079
Yeah, the show.
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:54.239
But overall the story was because it's gonna be in 10 years that the movies would have been better fillers, meaning that for the story, they should have made the side pieces, you know, like they said, the uh the in-between, the animated series or the you know, this the the live action series that are gonna fall in between.
00:41:54.320 --> 00:42:02.079
Okay, those are the ones that should have been on the forefront, and that trilogy should have been what was the filler in between to give you the backstory.
00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:04.639
Yeah, I know different timeline.
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:05.360
But that would have been cool.
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:06.079
Different timeline.
00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:09.039
So let me just go through some points about the rise of Skywalker.
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:14.000
I want to go through some bullet points that I made that uh where it gets gets it right.
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:17.679
So um it moves quickly and delivers constant adventure.
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:18.000
Right.
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:18.400
Right.
00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:19.679
Rise of Skywalker.
00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:19.920
Yes.
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:20.320
That was good.
00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:36.159
Kylo and and and Ray's uh Force Bond, the the you know, the force dyad is visually inventive where they like can like pop in and out of different like like kind of teleport shit, like a pull shit from one side side of space to the other.
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:37.920
Yeah, I thought that was that was a cool.
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:39.760
I did like that.
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:40.320
Right, right.
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:41.920
Well now pause one second, sorry.
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:45.760
So now that's what they should have done with Luke.
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:47.440
You know what I'm saying?
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:53.360
That he was able to pop back and forth, not that he had done it where he used it so hard that he didn't use it so much, like he should have been able to go.
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:55.280
I don't think they wanted him for the next movie.
00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:57.199
Yeah, like he shouldn't have, yeah, and that's what the bullshit was.
00:42:57.280 --> 00:42:58.159
All right, sorry, go ahead, go ahead, yeah.
00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:00.079
But that was that was the force dyad, you know.
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:00.800
Right, right.
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:04.800
Um lightsaber transfers through the force is excellent.
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:06.000
Yes, yes.
00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:09.280
Um Carlos redemption scenes are emotionally effective.
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:10.800
Yeah, but I think they were fake.
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:11.920
I felt like he was, you know.
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:12.800
But go ahead.
00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:17.440
Uh Hans Return works as a memory rather than uh literal force ghost.
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:18.000
Okay.
00:43:18.159 --> 00:43:21.280
That was good because he's not like that Jedi.
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:27.440
He's not but but he did come into memory kind of like a like a like a hallucination.
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:28.880
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:30.320
So that was good.
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:35.599
Uh Leia is handled with care despite the limitations caused by Carrie Fisher's death.
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:36.000
Right.
00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:37.599
I think they did that pretty well.
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:44.400
Because I I mean the funny thing is, see, I'm I'm I'm s for me, like I'm watching the movie, I'm like, how are they doing this?
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:46.000
Because Carrie Fisher died, how are they doing this?
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:50.159
And I yeah, I thought they did it, they did a good job despite that she died with the special effects and everything.
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:50.639
Yeah.
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:52.559
They were able to finish it up.
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:53.119
Yeah, yeah.
00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:54.000
It looked pretty good.
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:55.199
Yeah, but then you know what?
00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:56.800
We'll you know, sidebar real quicky.
00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:59.760
That's what they did with um Brendan Lee and Bruce.
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:09.199
When they died, they used their, you know, like doubles, you know, their lookalikes to finish off the last part of the movie because you know they make the movie all over the place.
00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:10.079
But go ahead, sorry.
00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:14.320
I thought the imagery of them battling on the Death Star was fucking wrong.
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:15.760
Was it waves coming?
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:18.800
I thought that was done exceptionally well.
00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:18.960
Yeah.
00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:22.559
I loved that scene.
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:23.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:26.960
So I think they did that was something they definitely got right.
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:27.280
Right.
00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:33.760
Bensell's brief return shows the charisma and personality he may have had before becoming Kylo.
00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:34.159
Right.
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:35.519
So I thought that was good.
00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:36.320
Yeah.
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:40.079
Of course, you know, the John Williams score was good too.
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:40.960
Yeah, right, right, right.
00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:43.199
You know, the doing the music.
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:47.199
And the the movie is very well polished on a technical level.
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:49.519
So those are things they definitely did right.
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:56.400
And again, uh, you know, before we bash the movie, I like to note that they did do a lot of shit good.
00:44:56.480 --> 00:45:01.360
And this is the thing I've been we've been saying the entire episode is that they did a lot of good things.
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:07.039
It's the writing, the writing, the fucking and too many hands in the in the too many hands in the pot.
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:07.360
Yeah.
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:10.559
And once let it be.
00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:14.880
So, of course, uh, this is the bullet points I made for where it struggles.
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:17.599
Uh Palpatine's return overwhelming.
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:18.159
Yeah, dude.
00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:24.159
Somehow, Palpatine Returns, I think, is the most shittiest writing I have ever seen in a movie.
00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:26.159
And I'm very sad to say that it was star.
00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:27.840
Yeah, I know, right?
00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:28.320
Yeah, yeah.
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:28.880
You know what I mean?
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:29.280
Yeah.
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:30.480
Like they I don't even know.
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:31.760
But then so now what would they do?
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:35.440
I'm sorry to cut you up, but now what would it be that then like so what?
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:46.880
Now the fight, the art you know, that that Ray is gonna have is to go and and uh blow up the uh the lab that they're trying to clone him in, because you know where he's gonna go to be cloned.
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:47.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:48.480
You know what I'm saying?
00:45:48.559 --> 00:45:52.079
Is he gonna go where they did the first clones, where they did all the other clones, you know what I'm saying?
00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:52.400
Right, right.
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:54.880
So it's you know, that that's that's where they're gonna have to go.
00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:56.400
He's totally dead in this one.
00:45:56.480 --> 00:45:57.760
I mean, they blow his ass up, don't they?
00:45:57.920 --> 00:45:58.320
In in the list.
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:00.000
Well, no, he didn't blow up.
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:02.719
He uh Didn't they fry him with the Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:03.519
No, no, no, no.
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:04.079
What the fuck?
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:06.559
Both of them beat his ass, right?
00:46:06.639 --> 00:46:07.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:07.920
Right, yeah.
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:08.800
So he did fry.
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:08.960
Yeah.
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:15.840
But they probably used to do the lightning, and then they realized you know, could they clone again and somehow Palpine has returned.
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:16.239
Yeah.
00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:16.800
Again.
00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:17.679
Yeah, right, right, right.
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:19.679
Hopefully, but again, okay, enough.
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:23.599
I mean, first time, could they clone them again?
00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:24.400
You know what I mean?
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:27.519
Like, that's where it kind of makes the story, you know.
00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:29.119
Hopefully they don't do that.
00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:29.599
Yeah.
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:30.400
Well, let's see.
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:36.559
Hopefully they learn their lesson, because that's a famous line that people make fun of is somehow Pelma Teamers has returned.
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:36.800
Yeah.
00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:37.039
No.
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:38.559
It should have returned the first time.
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:38.960
Yeah.
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:41.920
Well, uh, it also D-E-D.
00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:42.239
Yeah.
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:42.800
D-E-D.
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:47.519
Finn's force sensitivity is teased, but it's never fully explored.
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:47.760
Right.
00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:48.960
Like what we talked about.
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:56.079
He's got like there's something going on with it, but they never really go further into it.
00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:56.960
Yes.
00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:01.679
Again, the Knights of Ren finally appear, but barely, you know.
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:04.400
That's yeah, because it was short-lived.
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:09.599
Hilo loses the final villain position he earned by killing Snoke.
00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:10.000
Right.
00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:10.480
Right.
00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:11.039
You know?
00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:22.559
The Sliff fleet uh raises logistical questions like how did how do they have he has a giant fleet on Exigol of Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:25.119
Like this massive fleet hitting on this planet.
00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:25.679
That was a good one.
00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:28.079
Yeah, that that was like to me.
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:28.800
I I get it.
00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:32.400
That maybe they were doing something secretly and they were still trying to build up to something.
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:33.519
It's just so massive.
00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:35.360
It just seems so like super.
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:38.400
And they all have Death Star Rays on them.
00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:38.960
Yeah.
00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:39.199
Yeah.
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:41.679
Every single Star Destroyer is a Death Star Ray.
00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:42.559
Well, wait, wait, wait.
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:43.840
So let's back up a sec.
00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:46.159
We were just talking about technology moving forward.
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:46.719
That's true.
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:50.239
So then they could have, should have, had that kind of power.
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:53.920
You know, a planet used to blow up other universe.
00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:56.880
Then you know it requires kyber.
00:47:56.960 --> 00:47:58.559
And like how much kyber are they?
00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:01.840
There's only like two planets that they know of that have kyber.
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:02.800
One is Ilum.
00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:08.239
That's the one where all the Jedi go and and where Huyang is and they build their lightsabers.
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:16.159
And then the other one was the planet where I think that was the planet where the uh the star case starbase.
00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:17.119
Right, right, right, right, right.
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:22.239
So there's a couple planets that have kyber on them, but like, how much kyber are they fucking mining?
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:22.880
You know what I mean?
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:24.960
To make all the to make that happen.
00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:29.840
But then uh how much did they really need to make it happen that then they could just, you know, also.
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:40.079
The other thing is too is is is the the Death Star required a massive reactor to power the death the the Death Star Ray.
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:40.239
Right.
00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:43.440
So now they just gotta we just got our Star Destroyers now.
00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:46.000
You know, but you know what?
00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:50.800
We went from the freaking, you know, the the I know we went from the giant Zach Morris phone.
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:52.079
Yeah, to you know, to that now.
00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:53.519
I know, I know, I I get it.
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:55.280
I I get it, I get it, I get it.
00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:57.679
I get I I I get it.
00:48:57.840 --> 00:48:58.800
I hear what you're saying.
00:48:58.880 --> 00:48:59.360
Yeah.
00:48:59.840 --> 00:49:05.199
But because we didn't see the fillers, you know what I'm saying?
00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:06.480
We don't have any fillers.
00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:12.639
It just jumped from like it almost felt like it jumped like, you know, every 10, 15 years to the next story.
00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:12.960
Right.
00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:28.639
You know, and they left so much space to see, you know, why Ren, you know, was the way he was, what was doing that for him, you know, no uh Ray maybe getting there a little bit sooner and being able to to to you know have Luke's tutelage.
00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:29.280
You know what I'm saying?
00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:30.400
It's like the other problem.
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:31.840
So many directions they could have gone.
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:35.679
Yeah, and the other problem is Ben Solo dies right after his redemption.
00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:38.320
It's like, oh, we're gonna follow the same thing with Darth Vader.
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:38.880
Yeah, bro.
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:40.239
Oh, he redeemed himself.
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:41.280
I'll I'm dead.
00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:41.519
Yeah.
00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:41.920
Come on.
00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:42.159
Right?
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:44.559
Because you took it took too much energy for me to be good.
00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:45.280
You know what I mean?
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:48.880
And I just fucking which is different from Darth Vader's death.
00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:51.760
Darth Vader dies because you know he was saving Luke.
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:59.440
And and not only that, because his his Sue was purposely made not impervious to Sith lightning.
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:00.000
Yeah, of course.
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:01.440
So you know, so powerful.
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:02.719
Because he didn't even know it.
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:04.480
Yeah, I don't even think Anakin knew it.
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:10.480
You know, Darth Vader knew that you know he wasn't gonna be able to stop the fucking, you know, and getting fried.
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:19.599
I remember watching a video online where this shows I think we talked about this once before, where Anakin has his suit off and he's working on it.
00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:20.400
Yeah.
00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:24.400
And Palpatine walks in.
00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:30.960
Walks in and sees him and is giving him shit for because he's like updating things and changing it and making it better so he's more comfortable.
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:34.719
But he wanted him to be in pain and uncomfortable so he could control.
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:35.519
Right.
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:40.000
We talked about that too, where they made the suit uncomfortable for him.
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:42.239
Well, bearable but uncomfortable.
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:42.639
Right.
00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:48.480
And and Ray Skywalker, you know, that that's the thing that like she just names herself Skywalker.
00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:49.440
It's kind of weird.
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:50.239
Yeah, right.
00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:52.079
Because she's not even that fucking bloodline.
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:55.280
Like it's like, uh, actually, you're technically a palpatine.
00:50:55.599 --> 00:50:55.920
Right, exactly.
00:50:56.559 --> 00:50:58.639
So you did palpitine, but now you changed it.
00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:04.000
You made it to something that's but she's not gonna be able to if they're saying that they try to bring them back.
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:06.960
The problem is it was it it divided too many people, yeah.
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:07.760
And that too.
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:10.320
They should have thought that one out because that was really not cool though.
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:10.639
No.
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:11.519
So whatever.
00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:13.599
But then people like that that she I don't know.
00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:16.000
But how was she his but if she adopted it?
00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:16.800
I understand that.
00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:17.440
Yeah, that's fine.
00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:18.719
Refresh my memory.
00:51:18.800 --> 00:51:20.239
How is it that she's a palpatine?
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:21.679
Impregnator somehow.
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:33.920
Yeah, like like it's like um Immacula Conception, like they did uh Jay S had the uh the the you know the uh the power to like making impregnant somehow without having to be in there.
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:36.159
I have sex with my shadow.
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:36.800
That's great.
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:37.760
That's fucking great.
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:40.800
Uh shadow bangs you while you were sleeping yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:42.320
Yeah, you know, my kid.
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:43.840
Yeah, that's fucking insane.
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:45.039
No, because I didn't even know.
00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:46.559
I didn't understand that part either.
00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:46.880
Yeah.
00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:57.039
You know, the the so like the Palpatine return thing, uh, the concept, it makes sense because they did the whole cloning thing, but again, it's just poorly executed.
00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:00.159
And it's just they made it so quick and easy.
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:11.840
You know, it's like, oh, somehow Palpatine has returned, and it's like they show as as you know, as the part where they show uh Kylo Wren, you know, going through Exigol and then he's walking through all the seeing all these things.
00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:16.000
They do that purposely to explain it, but they really don't explain it.
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:17.440
The whole cloning thing.
00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:18.480
You know what I mean?
00:52:18.719 --> 00:52:18.960
Right.
00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:21.760
So I think that was just another poor execution.
00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:26.159
So and and you know, again, uh secretly gathering resources to Exigol.
00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:27.920
It just it just doesn't I don't know.
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:28.239
Yeah.
00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:29.679
Well, I think we're all in agreement.
00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:34.719
Yeah, well, this movie series wasn't that great except for the first one.
00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:42.639
I thought the first one had did they did a good job, and then from there they just dropped the ball on every aspect except for the visual and the special effects.
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:48.320
I think they're entertaining to watch, but but story-wise, not so great.
00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:49.039
Right, right.
00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:50.559
Definitely entertaining to watch, right?
00:52:50.719 --> 00:52:51.199
Right, definitely.
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:53.039
So fun, they're fun movies to watch.
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:57.599
So Ray is the granddaughter, is Palpatine's granddaughter.
00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:02.960
She's related through a traditional family, but rather through a failed clone.
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:14.400
So the father's origin, The Than, Ray's father was a bioengineered strand cast clone created from Palpatine's genetic material on the hidden world of Exegol.
00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:14.800
Right.
00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:18.800
A failed experiment because the Than lacked any connection to the force.
00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:27.280
Palpatine considered him a useless failure and let him escape, hoping the bloodline might naturally produce a stronger offspring later.
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:28.719
So that's what it was.
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:29.679
Okay, that makes sense.
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:30.159
Yeah.
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:31.920
So we're at uh Yeah.
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:32.480
All right, yeah.
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:33.119
You got one more?
00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:38.239
But um one of the things I did love is is in the movie was definitely the cinematics.
00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:42.000
Uh I love how they did certain things that they never saw Star Wars before.
00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:51.199
Like in the first movie, um in well, I mean first movie in the first trilogy, The Force Awakens, is like right out of the gate, like you see Kylo Red, and he actually stops a blaster.
00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:51.519
Right.
00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:53.360
And just freezes that shit.
00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:53.679
Yes.
00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:55.039
That was fucking cool.
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:55.360
Yeah.
00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:55.920
I love that.
00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:57.199
That's one of the things I loved.
00:53:57.360 --> 00:53:57.679
Yep.
00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:03.920
You know, just showing the how the power of like the dark side or the force itself, you could stop a blaster.
00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:04.400
Yeah.
00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:05.920
And that's the whole thing, bro.
00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:09.519
If they would have built on that kind of thing.
00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:17.760
They had they had sparks in certain areas where they just want things to be like, oh, ooh, oh, ooh, and then it was like, oh, yeah.
00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:19.039
Yeah.
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:24.159
But listen, maybe they will do it again some point in our lives where they'll just do it over.
00:54:24.320 --> 00:54:24.639
Yeah.
00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:28.960
In some fashion, whether it's animation or who knows.
00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:31.519
Yeah, they got it because it'll be interesting to find out.
00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:34.800
Yeah, this is you know, I said it would be cool to watch, but yeah.
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:44.400
So but so I think um we're gonna see in time if the sequels can be redeemed through additional footage.
00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:53.440
And I think, again, as I mentioned before, the prequels, you know, we we uh weren't well received like they are now.
00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:53.920
Right.
00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:56.000
So could that happen with the sequels?
00:54:56.239 --> 00:54:58.639
I like no I say TBD.
00:54:58.880 --> 00:54:59.360
Not gonna happen.
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:01.519
Yeah, TBD to be determined.
00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:02.000
You know what?
00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:05.840
It will be, and it'll be people who don't know the story of Star Wars and they'll have it all wrong.
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:06.480
Right, yeah.
00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:12.159
And then and they'll be hooked onto that, and they're and then we'll have to educate them, go, no, you're wrong, you don't know what you're bucking talk.
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:13.280
Right, right, right, right, right.
00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:18.639
And then uh so they saw Oh, because Disney Plus, you could watch every Star Wars.
00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:19.440
Yeah, in order.
00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:20.159
I don't know.
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:22.159
I don't you're talking in the future, right?
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:25.199
Yeah, we're talking in ten years, how many of the kids are gonna be watching?
00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:27.679
No, well, ten years, five, ten years.
00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:31.760
Ten years, five, ten years, especially when newer stuff comes out.
00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:34.480
Right, that then they're gonna have to go back to watch the older stuff.
00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:36.000
But it has to be good shit.
00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:37.119
It can't be shitty shit.
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:38.000
It's gotta be good shit.
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:44.320
Apparently the from what I read is that Ray is going to rebuild the Jedi Order.
00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:45.039
Right.
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:56.320
And I mean, the cool part is is is the fact that like the thing with forced ghosts is the first person to figure out the forced ghost thing was really um Qui-Gon.
00:55:56.800 --> 00:56:05.280
So there wasn't like there was no forced ghosts hanging around at the um the Jedi um council in in in the prequel era.
00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:07.280
This was like a newer thing.
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:07.599
Right.
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:09.920
So now it was Obi-Wan or training them, wasn't it?
00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:12.000
They can rebuild the Jedi Order, right?
00:56:12.159 --> 00:56:12.400
Right.
00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:19.679
They can rebuild the Jedi Order with these ancient Jedi like Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, Yoda.
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:20.320
Right, yeah.
00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:22.320
That would be interesting to see.
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:33.599
So I think that is kind of something I do look forward to is kind of seeing all these forced ghosts like helping Ray rebuild the Jedi Order.
00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:34.000
Gotcha.
00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:39.360
But hopefully, when she rebuilds the Jedi Order, she doesn't get into the whole dogmatic bullshit.
00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:40.079
There you go.
00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:40.960
That's what I was gonna say.
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:45.199
And you know, that'll be so hard to find.
00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:46.400
Don't do that.
00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:47.280
Yeah, right, right, right.
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No, I think she's gonna go down the middle.
00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:53.360
I think she's gonna do I think if she seemed like that, that's the way she would do it.
00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:54.400
Don't touch me.
00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:55.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:56:56.559 --> 00:57:03.679
You know, like, you know, I mean I think I think maybe it's like, oh, you know what?
00:57:03.760 --> 00:57:08.960
You're a Jedi, you can have a family, but you know, no understand how to separate attachment from fear.
00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:09.280
Right.
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:12.239
When you're on Jedi duty, that's what all you're doing.
00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:12.639
Yeah.
00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:13.039
Period.
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Under discussion.
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Right.
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It's not for 10 years at a time.
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It's you know, you come and do your eight hours and you know, it's like being a cop.
00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:21.599
You know, that's it.
00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:22.239
Like being a cop.
00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:24.000
But they would have something to look forward to to go home.
00:57:24.559 --> 00:57:25.199
Well, yeah, right, right.
00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:26.719
They would still have their family, yeah.
00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:27.360
No doubt.
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Just don't let like fear of of you know Yeah, of that loss.
00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:32.480
Yeah.
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Just no.
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Right.
00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:42.159
But because it's funny because uh before we break away, is uh in the prequels, um Caddy, uh, forget what his name was.
00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:43.440
He's the one with the big head.
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:49.760
He um he was uh in the Jedi Council Mundi, Mundi, I think his last name was.
00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:52.719
He was um he's the one who had the really like cone head on the room.
00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:53.679
Right, I know what you're talking about.
00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:59.440
He was he his species was like dying off species from wherever they were.
00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:04.079
So they let him have a family, but he was like completely deattached.
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Where he like like they like he found out his family got killed and he was like, oh, like totally like emotionally detached himself so much when like something happened with his family and he died and he like didn't even care.
00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:16.800
Yeah, right.
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That's kind of weird.
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All right, next new wife.
00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:20.480
Yeah.
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