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Welcome to season four of Casual Camping Podcast, the home for the best camping discussion both in and out of the field.
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Here are your hosts, Tim and Aid.
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Hello once again, you beautiful people out there in the casual camping podcast community.
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We love you one and all.
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And I am your favourite host, Tim.
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Come on, get that down your neck.
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Chew, chew.
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Chew.
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I was thinking of something to come back with, but I was like, I was going to give you white noise.
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I'm Aid.
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And uh we are slightly delayed this week through to technical issues and houses burning down near Tim.
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So our recording of the episode is coming a little bit later, but gives us a really good episode to uh talk about with that might involve some of that stuff.
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So yeah, yeah.
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Bit of a we um so it is Friday and we're recording this on a Friday.
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We don't normally do that because the episode normally hits the shelves, so to speak.
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Um top shelf, I might say.
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And listeners' wives.
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Um it's uh I don't know what you're talking about, Tim.
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Please explain those publications to us.
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They're anatomical publications.
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It's um yeah, we normally we normally have this and it goes out, um, it hits the shells really early on a Friday morning here in the UK.
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Um, but we'd left it late to record this week with one thing or another, and I got home to um, you know, those people in the UK will have seen it all over the national news rather oddly.
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Um Starbridge.
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Um and I live in a little village that is part of Stalbridge, and um we had one fire on one side and we literally had another fire on the other side of the village.
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Uh came home last night to lots of smoke in the streets and um people being a little bit worried and a little bit scared, and uh you know we've uh 19 houses have uh have gone up um in the area today.
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So essentially you were getting it uh from both ends, is what you're saying.
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That's another publication, yes.
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Up and down the street.
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Oh god, that's how it's gonna keep going into it.
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It's uh oh dear So you got your hose pipe out, did you?
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And uh started wetting the uh fences It's a gift that keeps giving Tim!
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Where's Julian Clary?
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There's more innuendo here than than a carry-on film.
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It's um oh dear, funny.
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It's uh yes, it's uh it was coming at me from both ends and uh and I I didn't like it up up up me.
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It's um it's uh no it was uh we're laughing now, but it was it was not great heading um you know oddly enough it'd been a really busy day yesterday and I uh I'd I'd been working all day.
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My mate who's in Italy uh messages me and goes, Your house alright, this uh with those fires.
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And uh and I went, What fires?
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And it's like oh quickly looked on the phone, and then the um we've got a a street WhatsApp group, and that suddenly was lighting up with I'm watering my fence, I'm doing this, and I'm I'm wetting the grass down, and it's like, oh god, okay, got home and it was lighting up.
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You could have used a bitter better phrase there, Tim.
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Uh it's um a worrying time, and uh obviously uh me and Tim use uh humour to uh underlie our uh worry and things, as you know, countless communities around the world are uh sort of having that kind of thing happen to them.
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So um we are all joking aside, it's a very worrying time.
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The planet is warmer, and yeah, it's unusual here for the UK, but it is now you know what we're seeing is what we've been seeing from California, America, Canada.
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Uh last year it was Australia, and yeah, it's really uh you know, France and Spain and you know parts of Germany, huge, huge parts of of Europe have um have had enormous fires.
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And our our fires here in the UK haven't been to that scale, but they're they're big enough to get out of control, they're big enough to put people in hospital, and they're big enough to destroy people's homes.
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And uh, a lot of people last night lost their homes.
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And um, and yes, we laugh and we joke about stuff, but I I can tell you I wasn't laughing and joking last night.
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It was um it was a scary old time, and um and what's what's unfortunate really is, and we don't know whether this has been the cause of it.
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The police have said that they uh they are um classing it as a criminal investigation, but um it's taken people to lose their houses and for people to be put in hospital for the government to finally ban um disposable barbecues in the UK, and um and that's kind of what the episode's gonna be about, isn't it?
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Is a bit of fire safety talking about some disposable barbecues, pros and cons.
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We've hated them for years and we've we've slagged them off and saying they're actually a useless piece of kit anyway, and they're hugely dangerous, and they've you know that people have you know put them inside the tents previously, and people have suddenly died.
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So it's great that they've now been banned, but it shouldn't really have taken you know 19 homes to have been burnt down for that to happen.
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Yeah, well, yeah, uh absolutely definitely, and it's a worrying time if you are going camping.
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So I had uh family members that went to Thai Park uh a couple of weeks ago, now that they're school summer holidays, absolutely loved the site uh and understand why we go back time after time, but there was another fire ban, and that was the only bit that they didn't really like because although it's warm here in the UK, when you buy the coast, it's a little bit cooler and they could have done with a fire overnight, but it was just so dry there that they they weren't allowed it.
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So this is the thing, you know, and I know we've talked about things like howl gas fires where they've got a um element within them, or you can get various things that have got sort of lava rocks in them and stuff where you're using there, but I don't think the UK campsites and camping community are necessarily up with those things uh to go, no, we've said no fires.
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You know, I think it's taken a while for them to be accepted over in the States where I think uh those like how and what's that other one I said?
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Ignite yes, yes, yes, well remembered.
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Well, you know, it's that they're they're on a wish list somewhere, but you know, I I messaged how they've just brought out a new version, version four of their uh fire this year, and I was like, hey, send us one in the UK, we'll review it because there's a market here begging for it, and uh we'd love to have some new kids.
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So if you guys are listening, and we know that you might be because we've got a lot of listeners over in the US, it looks a great bit of kids, and you know, for times like this, it'd be really interesting to see whether or not with a no-fire ban, somebody'd let you use one of those.
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Because how many times have we turned up with our amazing off-the-ground uh uh fire pits?
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And sites go, hey no, you're only allowed to use our fire pits because we know, and you know, it was like, well, I'm a professional.
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So yeah, I I wonder whether or not those would take a lot of getting used to.
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I think I think you'd have to do some explaining.
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I mean, certainly, you know, the howl system works by um it like superheats tubing inside it, doesn't it?
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Because you're not just getting heat from the flame, because that doesn't radiate enough enough heat off a gas off a gas flame.
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Um but it superheats tubing that's coiled up inside the device that then radiates a massive amount of heat.
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Uh so the whole device is giving you heat, but of course there's no embers coming off it, there's no, you know, you're not putting anything on there, there's no sparks or anything.
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So it's a really clean burn.
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Yeah.
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So that it's uh as long as you what they say is as long as you clear the ground, you know, so there's no nothing underneath that will get hot and may then you know start to combust, clear the ground first and prepare, prepare the area, um, then um a lot of national parks in the US have have certified it and said that they've certified them, yeah.
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And I I think it'd take uh a little bit of that here in the UK.
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But hey guys at Howl, me me and Tim are at your service.
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If you want to send us one of those new version four uh fires that you've got, that'd be absolutely excellent.
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And and we'll do some of the market testing for you.
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I'll I'll play with the version one ed.
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Yeah, you know one that got damaged uh uh in transit that's been sent back.
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I'll play with that.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Do you know what they do one that hangs off the back of a like a pickup truck or a um you know a car or something?
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I'd happily bolt one on the back of my Jeep.
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I think it would look great.
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You talking about them top shelf magazines again?
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No, no, no, thank god.
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Um yes, Land Rover Connect with the terminology you use there hanging off the back off filth monkey Tim.
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Um so yeah, so that there is those things that I I just think, yeah, that'd be great.
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But I you know, I do think that you'd have a lot of explaining to do, and you know, basically what you what you don't want anybody if you've got a campsite is to start a fire and burn down your campsite, do you?
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So I I think it'll be a lot of closed minds and I mean we we went explaining, you know, listeners will know and people who've on our socials two weeks ago we went on a Monday night and we took the bio light and we had a fire.
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Um you know, we weren't the only ones there, but we had a fire there, and and it was obviously still quite as dry as it as it is now.
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But um I suppose uh one of the good, you know, great design elements of that biolight fire pit is that it's almost entirely um wrapped in a spark arrestor, isn't it?
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In a in mesh, and uh it really is.
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We were cooking on it and then we we had that we had good fuel, so there's another tip.
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You know, get some you know, if you if you if you're using sort of bits of pallet and whatever, that sparks like mad.
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Stop it, don't do that.
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Get some kiln dried wood, go even if you're just buying bags from the um supermarket or whatever, kiln dried wood, keep it in its plastic container so you know it's dry, you'll get less sparks off that kind of stuff.
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Yeah, if you're chopping up pallets and stuff, that is generally pine, it's resin filled, so you know that there's a lot more resin in pine than there is.
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It burns at a real hot heat and it burns really quick, but it does uh do a lot of sparks.
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So, you know, just make sure you're burning the right stuff.
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It's gonna make a lot of mess.
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I think I think campfires are banned for the rest of the summer, really, across the UK, um, certainly across across England and Wales.
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Um Scotland, you know, they they um they've had some terrible fires in the Cairngorms, you know, and uh and the Cairngorms have had a fire ban for a long time.
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Um now it's um I I th I think for the next few weeks, I mean I'm camping uh right across the bank holiday with some some mates, and um, you know, where we've been talking about who's cooking what and everything, and and I'd kind of toyed with, oh, I could do the Dutch oven, but it's like not at all.
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You know, it does it does completely change your change your cooking and everything.
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It changes what equipment you take in.
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You know, I um I'll take the kitchen station, I'll take the jetball genesis, and I'll I'll cook on that.
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And um, and and but we we won't have a fire, so it's you know, what do we what do we sit round?
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You know, we might have to sit good time tom in the middle and we just all stare at him.
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Yeah, so so here's a question then, Tim.
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That was funnier than that, Ed.
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I was I was thinking about my next question.
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I was like, where's my section?
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Just sorry.
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No, carry on, carry on, it's all right.
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Okay.
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So I I was thinking uh that what about those, you know, the fire logs that are come pressed sawdust, they don't give off sparkies, but it also did make me think that you know, even if you've got a gas fire that's going that's you know giving out a little bit of heat or you're watching the flames dance or whatever, it gives you that iridescent light of the glow that you're all sat round as you're having a beer and and stuff.
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It's certainly not for heat, it's but it's for camaraderie, I guess, and and the experience of being out there.
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Imagine if you've got a gas fire going, not everybody knows it.
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It's like you up in Scotland on the hills, and the police came going, hey, what are you doing?
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There's a fire going on up there, and you know, that'd be the same thing.
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Everybody on a campsite knows that there's no fires, but number pitch 22 down there's got a flipping fire going.
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You'd get reported all the time, wouldn't you?
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Yeah, you would, you would.
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I was I was thinking, you know, I could take the Mars fire because it's freestanding, it's all self-enclosed, it's glass on three sides, it's got a large chimney and a double spark arrest on it now because I've got the cowl on it as well that fits over it.
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And I'm thinking of contacting the um the campsite and just saying, you know, if I use a wood-burning stove with a spark arrestor, is that allowed?
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I'm pretty certain it's not going to be, but you know, I think, you know, because we've got listeners all over all over the planet, it's um it's you know, we've said it so many times.
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Speak to your local campsite, speak to the campsite that you're going, you know, get that relationship with them, have that, have that sort of one-to-one conversation, and just say, because you don't want to break the rules and you don't want to upset them and you don't want them to kick you off.
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You know, just have a conversation with them and just say, you know, at the moment the rules are saying this, I've got this piece of equipment.
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Is that going to be suitable?
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Because what I don't want to do, the Marsfire weighs quite a bit, and I know I'm car camping.
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Um, I don't really want to put it in the car if uh if I'm not going to be able to use it.
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So I um I am going to check with them if I can do something like that, because that might be then the way to go that we sit the Mars fire there.
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We don't need it for heat, but it does radiate heat.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Super, super equitable.
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It's something to look at as well, isn't it?
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You know?
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But it's it's something to look at because you know, I don't want to look at at Richard's face.
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I don't want to look at Chaz's face.
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I don't I don't really want to look at Good Time Tom's face.
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I love you guys.
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I'm so looking forward to coming camping.
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I can't tell you how excited I am to come camping with with the three of you.
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We're gonna have such a such a scream and such a laugh, and we've got two nights in the field, so it's gonna be great, even without I tell you what, I want you to go to that pub that's there uh and go and get some of those shots.
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We're not going to they are good.
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Oh yeah.
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Can't get in, can't get into Fire and Stars for love or money, love or money, or um nicely worded um emails to say, do you not know who we are?
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I heard the sent back and went, we heard it's not coming in full call.
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Sorry, sorry about the uh I get that a lot to be honest.
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Um I mean Richard nearly said it to me, to be honest.
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I know you're a he insinuated it a lot.
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I pick up the phone Tim.
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That's all.
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I've just nurtured that relationship.
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I've phoned him once, I've found him once.
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Yeah, so uh yeah, I'm missing out on that camping trip.
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And in in a lit in a strange kind of thing, it's kind of putting me off going camping if I can't have a fight, if I can't do what I want to do, you know, obviously on somebody else's land, but it does make me nervous uh uh about you know something going wrong.
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How many times uh there's a couple of sites I've been to and they go, no campfires, but you can have a barbecue and stuff, and I was like, uh I'll I'll take some calls, I'll take the biolite because you can cook on it and then throw in a little bit of wood on afterwards.
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Yeah, yeah, the biolite does let you do that because it's hard to tell.
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I um I'm just gonna be, you know, I mean it's two weeks away.
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Uh the long-range forecast is sure still showing the UK is having um, I think between now and then it's about a millimetre of rain, which means we're not getting any rain.
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Um it might, you know, you know, sod's law, it's gonna rain like mad right across the bank holiday weekend.
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But you know what?
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If it does, I'm actually gonna be really quite happy to go camping in the rain because you know we camped in Scotland in the rain, because there'd been no rain down here.
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We haven't had any significant rain since we came back from Scotland.
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Two months.
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Yeah, two months.
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We loved the rain up in Scotland.
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They were apologising to us at Van Gogh, and we were like, no, no, no, this is great.
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I love yeah I love putting the waterproofs on and just sitting in the rain, it was really lovely.
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So if it does chuck it down while we're away, I'm still going because I'm gonna be quite happy to sit in a field while it's raining, because the novel novelty of that at the moment.
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But if it's not raining, like you say, I'm gonna be really worried about you know, I'm not gonna take any risks.
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I'm just not gonna take any risks because you know, you don't want to be the guy that accidentally, you know, completely unintentionally, trying to do the right thing, but actually unintentionally sets fire to something, and these things get out of hand really, really quick.
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And you know, they result in people being hurt, they result in people losing livelihoods, you know, livestock being injured.
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I read today one of the one of the houses that have gone, they didn't manage to get the pets out of the house, the how the pets perished.
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You know, that's just like heartbreaking stuff, and you don't want to be the guy that's gonna be able to do it.
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Family members, family members, yeah.
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It's um so we we'll we will follow whatever rules are going.
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Uh I will consider the Mars fire and I'll and I might I might email them and and ask them about it, but um sometimes then you do poke the bear and they turn around and go, We've cancelled your your thing because you've asked a question that you shouldn't have asked.
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Um, do you know what I mean?
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And and and that that's the thing, isn't it?
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That there there is this sometimes with certain sites, uh, you know, oh is it okay if you know five five of us uh just lads, you know, that single sex kind of thing, and you go like, oh, uh sorry, we've cancelled you.
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I had that uh over up in Massum.
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Um you know uh and it it was screw them, screw them.
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I hate that site.
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I hate them at that site, they don't want campers on it.
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I have no idea why they have a camping field there.
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It's somebody needs to open another camp site up at Massum because um that those people are they're they're awful people, they're really anti-campers, and I um I can't stand them.
00:21:35.839 --> 00:21:38.400
Yeah, I'm I'm I'm not camping there ever again.
00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:40.400
No there you go, people.
00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:45.519
That's me and Tim slagging off uh a place, but yeah, they they don't want us.
00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:46.720
They don't want us.
00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:55.200
They've had enough money from uh uh our groups when we've been there, but you know, they w they want caravanners, that's it.
00:21:55.519 --> 00:21:56.160
Yeah.
00:21:56.880 --> 00:21:57.279
Cheers.
00:21:57.440 --> 00:21:58.960
What are you drinking tonight, Tim?
00:21:59.200 --> 00:21:59.519
I am
00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:01.839
Um San Miguel.
00:22:02.720 --> 00:22:03.519
I'm on the beer.
00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:04.400
I'm on the pop.
00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:05.599
I'm on San Miguel.
00:22:05.680 --> 00:22:07.680
I'm eating dry tortilla chips.
00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:12.960
And downstairs there are some uh some burgers and chips cooking.
00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:14.319
Wow.
00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:25.119
I um I I know I've talked to you about it before, but I'm I'm gonna spend a bit of time here and just say that so I'm a bit of a lagalout.
00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:32.240
You're you're a connoisseur of ales and findings, whatever temperature you drink them at, you know.
00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:39.759
Whereas I I you know I I do like a nice sort of foster's Budweiser, things like that.
00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:48.079
But here in the UK they've started adding like taking out like the normal brew brewing process, so there's uh other things in.
00:22:48.160 --> 00:23:02.160
So I've had to up my game in the quality of the beer that I drink so that I don't have glucose syrup or something, or that they've started putting in stuff uh that is brewed here in the UK.
00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:14.880
So I've uh I've gone for a more German kind of uh and it might actually be uh Czech, uh Budweiser Budvar, uh, which is brewed with just four ingredients.
00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:15.519
Cool.
00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:28.240
Um so yeah, uh I've I've stopped doing the other stuff because I was just it's bothering me, and they're saying it's changing people's yeah, it's um super addictive, super addictive stuff as well.
00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:34.160
So it's um yeah, yeah, it's the it's part of the shrinkation, isn't it?
00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:40.720
It's um you know, and and they're trying to make the same money but with a a product that isn't the same.
00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:42.960
So cheers, good good health.
00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:48.480
Good health, it's stuff that is brewed here in the UK, uh, because we don't have laws.
00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:53.440
Like over in Germany, they've got strict laws that you can't alter how things are brewed.
00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:58.400
So yeah, I'm starting to uh really pay attention to see what's in there.
00:23:58.720 --> 00:24:00.000
Interesting, interesting.
00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:10.000
So yeah, I'm not no, um it feels like uh I'm I'm less loutish and uh you know being a bit more sophisticated.
00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:13.440
Sophisticated in your lager drinking.
00:24:14.559 --> 00:24:15.039
Yep.
00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:16.559
Good for you, good for you.
00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:18.640
Well, uh you know, I think I think so.
00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:24.319
Um but you know, it's even with some of the the pale ale and stuff, Doombar, that has it in it.
00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:35.279
That was that that was my gateway ale drinking and that's been bought up by somebody, and that's got that stuff in it, so yeah.
00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:46.000
You did well there, because most people's gateway, uh you know, to to progress into adult drinks is uh is to go from lager to neck oil.
00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:54.559
But um anyone who actually does drink proper proper ales, you know, neck oil is just like it's an IPA, it's an IPA though, isn't it?
00:24:54.640 --> 00:25:07.599
It's like drinking flipping uh it's not even IPA, it's it's it's you know, it's just watered down, you know, it's lager cold and ale, but it's just a lager, really.
00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:17.200
It's um I do hate it when I go to a bar and they and all they've got is neck oil, it's like a couple of times I have actually just walked out because it was just why am I drinking?
00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:21.839
I don't want to drink that filthy muck, it's just I like something that's actually got some flavour to it.
00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:31.599
Well, so we've obviously digressed from fires to uh what we drinking, which does actually link up to being around a fire.
00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:43.759
But if you have an opinion that uh differs from me and Tim, and you know, you we don't want to offend anybody, but you can get to us on our socials.
00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:56.480
So we're on Facebook, we are on Instagram, messages, we have various sort of chats going on, and you know, we always we've got some new listeners, we've got some new joiners to those groups.
00:25:56.720 --> 00:25:58.319
Welcome one and oil.
00:25:59.119 --> 00:26:14.160
Oil, one and all, and uh you know, take part and uh challenge us if uh you think that we have uh said anything wrong because hey, we're we're still learning.
00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:16.079
Every day's a learning day, Tim.
00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:18.799
It is, it is, it is apart from neck oil.
00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:19.839
I was right about that.
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It's crap.
00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:22.160
Don't drink it, don't touch it.
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:23.359
Get a proper drink.
00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:26.480
If you're drinking that, you need to you need to sort yourself.
00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:27.680
Might as well be cider.
00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:28.960
Might as well be cider.
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:30.559
Might as well be alcohol pot.
00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:32.720
I mean, go get yourself a Moscow mule.
00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:37.200
Hey Tim, I I like a Moscow mule.
00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:38.000
Gooch.
00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:50.400
Hooch that um, yeah, so so that I I think let's have a little bit of a recap there.
00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:55.759
So if you go in, check the local uh rules.
00:26:56.000 --> 00:27:01.359
Yeah, check whether or not you can have a fire or a barbecue.
00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:06.480
Not one of the single-use ones, but you know, you'll still be able to maybe cook.
00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:14.880
But I think it it then questions if you're going and you know what you would normally do, you're not able to do.
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:17.440
So think about the food that you're gonna be cooking.
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:17.759
Yeah.
00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:21.440
Think about what you're what you need to take.
00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:23.039
Do you need more gas?
00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:25.759
Are you you know that those are the things really?
00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:28.720
You can't just do it as you'd normally do it.
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:31.759
I was listening to Capital FM this morning.
00:27:31.839 --> 00:27:36.240
Well, it's probably just called Capital now, because I'm old so I still think of FM.
00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:51.920
But they um they were they did a barbecue, Jordan North did a barbecue, and uh, and it was all gas, and he um he'd taken two of the large bottles of gas and both of them were half empty because he just thought they always have loads in.
00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:58.799
And uh and his celebrity barbecue, they uh nobody ate the burgers because nobody trusted them because they weren't actually cooked.
00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:04.079
It's um so check your gas, check your gas, have you got full bottles of gas?
00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:07.519
It's um because you are gonna have to cook on things in a different way.
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:16.720
We would normally do a barbecue over, you know, we'd we'd light a wood burner, maybe put some coals on it, and we'd um we'd put the grills on top and we'd cook on there.
00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:21.920
You do have to start thinking about cooking in a different way, and how are you gonna do that?
00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:32.720
Um, you know, a lot of the bushcraft guys out there, it's all open fire stuff, and I do wonder how that community's kind of getting on with all of this, really, because they're they're out there in the woods.
00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:34.720
Oh my god.
00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:42.319
Um, is that on your phone as well?
00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:44.079
That's on my phone, yeah.
00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:47.839
Severe uh alert has just come through.
00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:54.720
It's Friday, it's 7.01, and there is a very high risk of wild fires nationally.
00:28:54.960 --> 00:29:04.960
Residents, landowners, and visitors should not undertake any activity that could start a fire, including disposable barbecues, fire pits, garden incinerators, or fireworks.
00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:06.640
We're ahead of the curve again, Tim.
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:07.519
Oh my god.
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.519
This is going out after we've had that, but we are ahead of the curve.
00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:19.359
Yeah, it's happening as as uh yeah, so that's the national alert system, national warning system that we've only had in the UK for about six months.
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:23.440
They've only tested it once, and uh and yeah, bloody hell.
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:35.119
That is um um I have to say, and it says fireworks on there, I didn't get a lot of sleep last night for obvious reasons, you know, everywhere still smelled of smoke, and I kept waking up every every um probably hour.
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:36.000
2 a.m.
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:38.480
I was woken up to some idiots actually.
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:42.240
You mean in them clubs again that still allowed smoking?
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:48.720
No, you mean to Club Kit Kat.
00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:51.599
Oh Berlin.
00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:54.000
Berlin.
00:29:54.559 --> 00:29:56.960
The Kit Kat Club, leaving that at 6am.
00:29:57.359 --> 00:29:59.200
Gosh, then then what day is head?
00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:03.839
No, I was woking up at 2am with some idiots lighting fireworks somewhere.
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:06.079
Yeah.
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:07.440
Oh my god.
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:18.960
Some idiots lighting fireworks, firecrackers were going off, and on two sides of me there are fields, and um, and it and in one of those fields somebody was lighting firecrackers.
00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:29.680
So there's um a there's just idiots out there, and and obviously last night we were the centre of attention for for uh national news, you know.
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:35.759
We had airplanes, helicopters, loads of stuff going round all night long, loads of fire engines.
00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:39.519
We've had the Prime Minister here today walking round, you know.
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:50.480
There's some idiots, aren't there, who like that attention, so they they like to do really stupid things, but um, you know, what we'd say is don't be the stupid person.
00:30:50.640 --> 00:31:00.000
So um, so yeah, we are now in a na a proper full national alert, no fires, no campfires, no no barbecues, absolutely nothing.
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:07.200
We're a serious high risk of wildfires that um uh you know don't don't be the idiot, basically.
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:08.240
Don't be the idiot.
00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:25.839
Yeah, and and the thing is as well, what what we've seen on the news over the last few years is that by the time a fire gets going, it's not necessarily sparks, it's the adjacency to a hot heat.
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:28.160
So things just combust.
00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:30.720
Yeah, if they're so dry.
00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:32.079
They just do.
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:35.519
And I I think that's that's the thing.
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:41.440
It it's it might not be sparks, it might not be, but once that you know, it might be a spark that gets it going.
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:54.160
But once you've got a tree on fire that's full of resin and dry as anything, yeah, anything anything that's within sort of 20-30 feet of that just gonna go up because of the amount of heat that's coming off that.
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:55.039
Yeah.
00:31:55.359 --> 00:32:00.480
And last night, you know, the wind actually really picked up, which was my real worry.
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:06.960
Because we're a number of roads between us and and where the fires were and the houses that were on fire.
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:12.559
Um, but the wind was coming directly from where the fire, where the main fire was.
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:19.200
Uh we did have one on the other side, it was much smaller, but I worried about that slightly less because the wind was blowing that one away.
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:23.200
But I thought, and my other half said, Well, it's not going to come through all of that.
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:25.200
I said, Well, no, it's unlikely to do that.
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:37.839
But I said, sparks from there can travel quite far, embers can travel really quite far on a strong wind and land in a tree, and any of the trees around us are just completely, completely dry.
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:42.160
I mean, we're losing leaves off the trees in the garden because they're they're so dry.
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:48.319
It's um that was my real worry is that actually it could it could move very quickly once the wind picks up.
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:50.319
It's um yeah.
00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:52.880
And that's it, you know.
00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:56.960
Obviously, uh close to you have experienced that.
00:32:57.119 --> 00:33:10.319
People that we've seen on the news in various countries um experience that and you know you you don't want to be the cause of it, or no, no, have that happen.
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:13.279
So you know if you are sorry, gone.
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:19.920
No, well that's certainly here in the UK that national warning that has come through to all funds.
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:29.119
I doubt very much there'd be a camp uh site uh going at the minute that is uh gonna let anybody have fires.
00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:32.079
No, not at all.
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:33.039
Not at all.
00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:36.720
And if you're out there camping already, you know, put that stuff away.
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:39.119
They've probably already told you not not to use it.
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:58.319
Don't take it if you're if you're planning a camping trip, you know, plan it in a different way, cook your food in a different way, plan different food, you know, and that might include you know eating down the pub, because then you're supporting our local business, you know, it's um it's about thinking about doing stuff in a different way, isn't it?
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:01.039
Just to make sure that every everybody is safe.
00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:11.440
Um and and and so it it it does state in this uh undertaking any activity that could start a fight, including disposable barbecues.
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:21.199
So I think probably you know other barbecues might be available might still, but also you've then got to think, what do I do with that?
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:23.599
Because that keeps uh a lot of heat in it.
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:37.360
Yeah, you know, if you've got those briquettes, some of those hexagonal kind of uh um briquettes, they they last for hours upon hours and have a really good heat.
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:40.239
So yeah, just just be very careful.
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:42.960
It's where it's where you dispose of things as well, isn't it?
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:50.800
So if you know, even if you've you know you've taken a gas burner, you know, a twin gas burner or something like that, I'll take the jet boil.
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:53.119
The jet bowl's bloody hot, you know.
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:54.960
The bottom of a pan gets bloody hot.
00:34:55.039 --> 00:35:01.760
If you're taking a little hiking stove and balancing a pan on top of it to boil some water, where are you putting that pan down?
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:05.920
Because it is gonna singe the ground, and that's enough to set fire to stuff.
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:08.800
And and just think about those little details.
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:12.559
Oh I'm using gas and I've I've got this, so I'm gonna be alright.
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:19.280
You know, you can still be an idiot, you know, you can still set fire to a campsite by just putting a pan on the ground.
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:23.519
It's um it'll burn things, it'll it'll set fire to stuff.
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:26.400
I uh I went camping years ago.
00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:28.320
This is years, you know.
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:30.000
I was still in my twenties.
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:31.360
We're just in a forest.
00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:33.280
Is that before the war?
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:34.239
Yeah.
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:45.119
And uh we're on the forest floor with what we thought had scraped down to um um dirt.
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:48.639
Uh and we had a lovely fire just on the ground.
00:35:49.039 --> 00:36:05.519
Uh and in the morning there was burn marks that kind of spiraled out from and had gone quite far, and we'd not gone down to dirt, we'd just scraped out a little bit, and there was just all this stuff that had been burning away.
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:10.239
So you know and um and tree roots do that as well.
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:10.880
Yeah.
00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:19.440
You know, in real dry, dry periods like we've got now, tree roots will will be like a fuse, they'll be like a fire fuse to carry carry a fire along.
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:23.119
So um it's just not worth it at the moment.
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:35.760
It's just not worth it if you're in these areas where they're saying, you know, we haven't had a full ban until literally two minutes ago, um, which we are now in a full in a full national ban.
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:44.159
Um so it does change the the the uh change the advice services slightly so it's absolutely don't do anything.
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:53.039
But even if you're in an area where it is potentially ambiguous and you can talk to that campsite, you really have to think very carefully about what you're doing.
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:56.559
Because as I say, you don't want to be the idiot that sets something off.
00:36:56.960 --> 00:36:57.280
No.
00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:04.480
Uh so yeah, I mean completely, you know, think about the food that you're taking when you go.
00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:14.079
Think about you know, you were saying about burgers, like uh beef, beef burgers, they're okay, a little bit sort of rare, you know.
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:16.159
If anything, beef is alright, rare.
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:22.400
Well, it is that there's less sort of stuff in that, but you know, pork sausages, you can't eat them underdone.
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:27.360
No, no, we're certainly not advocating undercooking food.
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:30.239
Um absolutely not.
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:39.199
It's uh you know, yeah, your gas binners are the way to go, but just then be be mindful that that isn't a foolproof system, you know.
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:42.639
You still need to put those pans and things down somewhere, you know.
00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:53.760
In two weeks' time, if we still had no rain, I'll take my kitchen station, I'll take my jet boil that's got a full metal top to it that I can move pans across.
00:37:53.920 --> 00:38:02.400
It's very well contained, there's nothing comes off that, you know, it's nice, clean, you know, it burns super clean, does that um jet ball genesis?
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:03.920
I um I bloody love it.
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:05.440
I can't wait to get it out in the field again.
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:07.280
I haven't decided what I'm cooking yet.
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:14.960
Um I've said I'll do the first night meal and um and I but I'll I'll figure something out what I'm gonna cook.
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:18.159
But um it it's a it's a great piece of kit.
00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:31.199
I um quite you know I'm just gonna pivot to some other piece of kit, and if you don't have an equally great piece of kit, if you've just got a fire pit, well you need to get yourself a jet ball genesis, don't you?
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:32.480
You need to go shopping.
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:38.000
Uh and I I have to say, I've just got myself a jet boil genesis, Tim.
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:41.760
I know, I know it's um it's beautiful, isn't it?
00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:42.960
It's really beautiful.
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:54.800
D do you know uh how swanky we'd look if you and I were taking care of dinner, uh going camping together, and we got out two jet boil genes.
00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:58.880
It's like Michelin starred chefing on on the campsite.
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:00.559
Absolutely, absolutely.
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:04.159
We'd we put Tom of uh off the beaten pot to shame, really.
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:05.599
He'd just pack up and go home.
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:12.800
He'd go, two jetball genesis is I mean what I mean what what is the collective noun for jet ball genesis?
00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:21.599
I know everybody's uh probably saying something that we can't repeat now.
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:26.960
But that's just jealousy, Tim.
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:28.159
Don't let them get, did you?
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:31.039
They they just wish that we they were us.
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:37.440
Uh well, you know, so Tim.
00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:42.400
I think all that, you know, we're all pretty worried.
00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:47.920
We all know that we need to take care, and you know, that that's it.
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:52.480
So let's go with uh a mediocre five-star review.
00:39:52.559 --> 00:40:11.440
And we've had one before from Connor, but he sent us an excellent picture this week that uh was him having a beer sat by a pool over in Cyprus, and he said, What a better place to catch up on the last few weeks episodes than uh with a beer and a sun and the sun in Cyprus.
00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:13.199
So cheers, Connor.
00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:18.159
We really appreciate the sharing of that, and uh hope you're having a great time.
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So I I I you know I think I said something about it on um on his post, was just like, you know, I still find it amazing that people people listen.
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This you know, Connor.
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We've never met Connor.
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He's uh he's some guy out there on his holiday sitting next to a pool listening to us talk.
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I mean, um clearly he's got a mental health problem.
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Yeah, I'm just looking at that.
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That beer looks cloudy, Tim.
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Oh, it might be a frosted glass.
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It's probably a urine sample.
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Yeah, well, you know, uh cheers, thank you so much.
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I'm raising a glass.
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Uh I am doing the same, doing the same.
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You're an earth you're you're you're raising a primus pot.
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Uh I am from uh uh Richard gave me this.
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It's uh one of my favorite drinking things.
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Oh, Richard, favorite Richard, favorite, favorite host.
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Yeah.
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Whatever, whatever.
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It's coming camping with me.
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Oh dear.
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Right, shall we go for a minute mindfulness?
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That's the only thing we can do.
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Welcome to the casual camping minute mindfulness.
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Let the sounds of nature take you back to the camping field.
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Is it right to put a campfire in that, or is it wrong to put a campfire in that?
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I was just thinking the same.
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I was gonna come back with uh Tim, that's a bit mean to put a campfire in there.
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Well, I think we do it and go for all you that were missing that, there's a campfire.
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I'm not gonna edit this bit out, Ed.
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I'm just gonna keep it on because it's funny.
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It just shows it was the one that was going through my mind, yeah, was just like I was gonna come back and go, Tim, that was a bit mean putting a campfire in there.
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That's awesome, awesome great minds think alike, and us two fools never differ.
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Never change, that's the thing.
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Yeah, that's funny.
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That is funny.
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Okay, well, you know, that that was good that we didn't have to uh do that, so okay.
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So um, so yeah, I suppose uh last thing to say is just thank you very much for listening, everybody.
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Um stay safe out there wherever you are in the country because it's very hot in a lot of places, um, apart from South America where it obviously it's colder.
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Um but um at South Southern Hemisphere.
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Oh man, it's not here that get the hemispheres wrong.
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I'm I'm the I'm the smart one.
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Um gosh.
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I I was like, just there, I'm sure I've seen snow in the you know, take care everybody wherever you are.
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Have you know, find us on our socials, on Instagram, on Facebook.
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We've got a great Facebook group, we're over on YouTube.
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Um, come and talk to us.
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Uh we are always desperate for people to talk to us.
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Yes, desperate is a good word for it.
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Desperate casual camping podcast.
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Desperation's what you need.
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I've been aide.
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I've been tin.
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Welcome to season four of Casual Camping Podcast, the home for the best camping discussion both in and out of the field.
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Here are your hosts, Tim and Aid.
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Hello once again, you beautiful people out there in the casual camping podcast community.
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We love you one and all.
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And I am your favourite host, Tim.
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Come on, get that down your neck.
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Chew, chew.
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Chew.
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I was thinking of something to come back with, but I was like, I was going to give you white noise.
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I'm Aid.
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And uh we are slightly delayed this week through to technical issues and houses burning down near Tim.
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So our recording of the episode is coming a little bit later, but gives us a really good episode to uh talk about with that might involve some of that stuff.
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So yeah, yeah.
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Bit of a we um so it is Friday and we're recording this on a Friday.
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We don't normally do that because the episode normally hits the shelves, so to speak.
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Um top shelf, I might say.
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And listeners' wives.
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Um it's uh I don't know what you're talking about, Tim.
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Please explain those publications to us.
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They're anatomical publications.
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It's um yeah, we normally we normally have this and it goes out, um, it hits the shells really early on a Friday morning here in the UK.
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Um, but we'd left it late to record this week with one thing or another, and I got home to um, you know, those people in the UK will have seen it all over the national news rather oddly.
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Um Starbridge.
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Um and I live in a little village that is part of Stalbridge, and um we had one fire on one side and we literally had another fire on the other side of the village.
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Uh came home last night to lots of smoke in the streets and um people being a little bit worried and a little bit scared, and uh you know we've uh 19 houses have uh have gone up um in the area today.
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So essentially you were getting it uh from both ends, is what you're saying.
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That's another publication, yes.
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Up and down the street.
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Oh god, that's how it's gonna keep going into it.
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It's uh oh dear So you got your hose pipe out, did you?
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And uh started wetting the uh fences It's a gift that keeps giving Tim!
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Where's Julian Clary?
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There's more innuendo here than than a carry-on film.
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It's um oh dear, funny.
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It's uh yes, it's uh it was coming at me from both ends and uh and I I didn't like it up up up me.
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It's um it's uh no it was uh we're laughing now, but it was it was not great heading um you know oddly enough it'd been a really busy day yesterday and I uh I'd I'd been working all day.
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My mate who's in Italy uh messages me and goes, Your house alright, this uh with those fires.
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And uh and I went, What fires?
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And it's like oh quickly looked on the phone, and then the um we've got a a street WhatsApp group, and that suddenly was lighting up with I'm watering my fence, I'm doing this, and I'm I'm wetting the grass down, and it's like, oh god, okay, got home and it was lighting up.
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You could have used a bitter better phrase there, Tim.
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Uh it's um a worrying time, and uh obviously uh me and Tim use uh humour to uh underlie our uh worry and things, as you know, countless communities around the world are uh sort of having that kind of thing happen to them.
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So um we are all joking aside, it's a very worrying time.
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The planet is warmer, and yeah, it's unusual here for the UK, but it is now you know what we're seeing is what we've been seeing from California, America, Canada.
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Uh last year it was Australia, and yeah, it's really uh you know, France and Spain and you know parts of Germany, huge, huge parts of of Europe have um have had enormous fires.
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And our our fires here in the UK haven't been to that scale, but they're they're big enough to get out of control, they're big enough to put people in hospital, and they're big enough to destroy people's homes.
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And uh, a lot of people last night lost their homes.
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And um, and yes, we laugh and we joke about stuff, but I I can tell you I wasn't laughing and joking last night.
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It was um it was a scary old time, and um and what's what's unfortunate really is, and we don't know whether this has been the cause of it.
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The police have said that they uh they are um classing it as a criminal investigation, but um it's taken people to lose their houses and for people to be put in hospital for the government to finally ban um disposable barbecues in the UK, and um and that's kind of what the episode's gonna be about, isn't it?
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Is a bit of fire safety talking about some disposable barbecues, pros and cons.
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We've hated them for years and we've we've slagged them off and saying they're actually a useless piece of kit anyway, and they're hugely dangerous, and they've you know that people have you know put them inside the tents previously, and people have suddenly died.
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So it's great that they've now been banned, but it shouldn't really have taken you know 19 homes to have been burnt down for that to happen.
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Yeah, well, yeah, uh absolutely definitely, and it's a worrying time if you are going camping.
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So I had uh family members that went to Thai Park uh a couple of weeks ago, now that they're school summer holidays, absolutely loved the site uh and understand why we go back time after time, but there was another fire ban, and that was the only bit that they didn't really like because although it's warm here in the UK, when you buy the coast, it's a little bit cooler and they could have done with a fire overnight, but it was just so dry there that they they weren't allowed it.
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So this is the thing, you know, and I know we've talked about things like howl gas fires where they've got a um element within them, or you can get various things that have got sort of lava rocks in them and stuff where you're using there, but I don't think the UK campsites and camping community are necessarily up with those things uh to go, no, we've said no fires.
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You know, I think it's taken a while for them to be accepted over in the States where I think uh those like how and what's that other one I said?
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Ignite yes, yes, yes, well remembered.
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Well, you know, it's that they're they're on a wish list somewhere, but you know, I I messaged how they've just brought out a new version, version four of their uh fire this year, and I was like, hey, send us one in the UK, we'll review it because there's a market here begging for it, and uh we'd love to have some new kids.
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So if you guys are listening, and we know that you might be because we've got a lot of listeners over in the US, it looks a great bit of kids, and you know, for times like this, it'd be really interesting to see whether or not with a no-fire ban, somebody'd let you use one of those.
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Because how many times have we turned up with our amazing off-the-ground uh uh fire pits?
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And sites go, hey no, you're only allowed to use our fire pits because we know, and you know, it was like, well, I'm a professional.
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So yeah, I I wonder whether or not those would take a lot of getting used to.
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I think I think you'd have to do some explaining.
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I mean, certainly, you know, the howl system works by um it like superheats tubing inside it, doesn't it?
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Because you're not just getting heat from the flame, because that doesn't radiate enough enough heat off a gas off a gas flame.
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Um but it superheats tubing that's coiled up inside the device that then radiates a massive amount of heat.
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Uh so the whole device is giving you heat, but of course there's no embers coming off it, there's no, you know, you're not putting anything on there, there's no sparks or anything.
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So it's a really clean burn.
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Yeah.
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So that it's uh as long as you what they say is as long as you clear the ground, you know, so there's no nothing underneath that will get hot and may then you know start to combust, clear the ground first and prepare, prepare the area, um, then um a lot of national parks in the US have have certified it and said that they've certified them, yeah.
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And I I think it'd take uh a little bit of that here in the UK.
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But hey guys at Howl, me me and Tim are at your service.
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If you want to send us one of those new version four uh fires that you've got, that'd be absolutely excellent.
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And and we'll do some of the market testing for you.
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I'll I'll play with the version one ed.
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Yeah, you know one that got damaged uh uh in transit that's been sent back.
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I'll play with that.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Do you know what they do one that hangs off the back of a like a pickup truck or a um you know a car or something?
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I'd happily bolt one on the back of my Jeep.
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I think it would look great.
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You talking about them top shelf magazines again?
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No, no, no, thank god.
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Um yes, Land Rover Connect with the terminology you use there hanging off the back off filth monkey Tim.
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Um so yeah, so that there is those things that I I just think, yeah, that'd be great.
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But I you know, I do think that you'd have a lot of explaining to do, and you know, basically what you what you don't want anybody if you've got a campsite is to start a fire and burn down your campsite, do you?
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So I I think it'll be a lot of closed minds and I mean we we went explaining, you know, listeners will know and people who've on our socials two weeks ago we went on a Monday night and we took the bio light and we had a fire.
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Um you know, we weren't the only ones there, but we had a fire there, and and it was obviously still quite as dry as it as it is now.
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But um I suppose uh one of the good, you know, great design elements of that biolight fire pit is that it's almost entirely um wrapped in a spark arrestor, isn't it?
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In a in mesh, and uh it really is.
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We were cooking on it and then we we had that we had good fuel, so there's another tip.
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You know, get some you know, if you if you if you're using sort of bits of pallet and whatever, that sparks like mad.
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Stop it, don't do that.
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Get some kiln dried wood, go even if you're just buying bags from the um supermarket or whatever, kiln dried wood, keep it in its plastic container so you know it's dry, you'll get less sparks off that kind of stuff.
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Yeah, if you're chopping up pallets and stuff, that is generally pine, it's resin filled, so you know that there's a lot more resin in pine than there is.
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It burns at a real hot heat and it burns really quick, but it does uh do a lot of sparks.
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So, you know, just make sure you're burning the right stuff.
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It's gonna make a lot of mess.
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I think I think campfires are banned for the rest of the summer, really, across the UK, um, certainly across across England and Wales.
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Um Scotland, you know, they they um they've had some terrible fires in the Cairngorms, you know, and uh and the Cairngorms have had a fire ban for a long time.
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Um now it's um I I th I think for the next few weeks, I mean I'm camping uh right across the bank holiday with some some mates, and um, you know, where we've been talking about who's cooking what and everything, and and I'd kind of toyed with, oh, I could do the Dutch oven, but it's like not at all.
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You know, it does it does completely change your change your cooking and everything.
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It changes what equipment you take in.
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You know, I um I'll take the kitchen station, I'll take the jetball genesis, and I'll I'll cook on that.
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And um, and and but we we won't have a fire, so it's you know, what do we what do we sit round?
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You know, we might have to sit good time tom in the middle and we just all stare at him.
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Yeah, so so here's a question then, Tim.
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That was funnier than that, Ed.
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I was I was thinking about my next question.
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I was like, where's my section?
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Just sorry.
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No, carry on, carry on, it's all right.
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Okay.
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So I I was thinking uh that what about those, you know, the fire logs that are come pressed sawdust, they don't give off sparkies, but it also did make me think that you know, even if you've got a gas fire that's going that's you know giving out a little bit of heat or you're watching the flames dance or whatever, it gives you that iridescent light of the glow that you're all sat round as you're having a beer and and stuff.
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It's certainly not for heat, it's but it's for camaraderie, I guess, and and the experience of being out there.
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Imagine if you've got a gas fire going, not everybody knows it.
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It's like you up in Scotland on the hills, and the police came going, hey, what are you doing?
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There's a fire going on up there, and you know, that'd be the same thing.
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Everybody on a campsite knows that there's no fires, but number pitch 22 down there's got a flipping fire going.
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You'd get reported all the time, wouldn't you?
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Yeah, you would, you would.
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I was I was thinking, you know, I could take the Mars fire because it's freestanding, it's all self-enclosed, it's glass on three sides, it's got a large chimney and a double spark arrest on it now because I've got the cowl on it as well that fits over it.
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And I'm thinking of contacting the um the campsite and just saying, you know, if I use a wood-burning stove with a spark arrestor, is that allowed?
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I'm pretty certain it's not going to be, but you know, I think, you know, because we've got listeners all over all over the planet, it's um it's you know, we've said it so many times.
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Speak to your local campsite, speak to the campsite that you're going, you know, get that relationship with them, have that, have that sort of one-to-one conversation, and just say, because you don't want to break the rules and you don't want to upset them and you don't want them to kick you off.
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You know, just have a conversation with them and just say, you know, at the moment the rules are saying this, I've got this piece of equipment.
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Is that going to be suitable?
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Because what I don't want to do, the Marsfire weighs quite a bit, and I know I'm car camping.
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Um, I don't really want to put it in the car if uh if I'm not going to be able to use it.
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So I um I am going to check with them if I can do something like that, because that might be then the way to go that we sit the Mars fire there.
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We don't need it for heat, but it does radiate heat.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Super, super equitable.
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It's something to look at as well, isn't it?
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You know?
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But it's it's something to look at because you know, I don't want to look at at Richard's face.
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I don't want to look at Chaz's face.
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I don't I don't really want to look at Good Time Tom's face.
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I love you guys.
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I'm so looking forward to coming camping.
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I can't tell you how excited I am to come camping with with the three of you.
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We're gonna have such a such a scream and such a laugh, and we've got two nights in the field, so it's gonna be great, even without I tell you what, I want you to go to that pub that's there uh and go and get some of those shots.
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We're not going to they are good.
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Oh yeah.
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Can't get in, can't get into Fire and Stars for love or money, love or money, or um nicely worded um emails to say, do you not know who we are?
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I heard the sent back and went, we heard it's not coming in full call.
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Sorry, sorry about the uh I get that a lot to be honest.
00:17:46.559 --> 00:17:51.119
Um I mean Richard nearly said it to me, to be honest.
00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:55.920
I know you're a he insinuated it a lot.
00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:57.359
I pick up the phone Tim.
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That's all.
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I've just nurtured that relationship.
00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:04.640
I've phoned him once, I've found him once.
00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:13.920
Yeah, so uh yeah, I'm missing out on that camping trip.
00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:33.200
And in in a lit in a strange kind of thing, it's kind of putting me off going camping if I can't have a fight, if I can't do what I want to do, you know, obviously on somebody else's land, but it does make me nervous uh uh about you know something going wrong.
00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:49.680
How many times uh there's a couple of sites I've been to and they go, no campfires, but you can have a barbecue and stuff, and I was like, uh I'll I'll take some calls, I'll take the biolite because you can cook on it and then throw in a little bit of wood on afterwards.
00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:53.279
Yeah, yeah, the biolite does let you do that because it's hard to tell.
00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:57.200
I um I'm just gonna be, you know, I mean it's two weeks away.
00:18:57.359 --> 00:19:06.240
Uh the long-range forecast is sure still showing the UK is having um, I think between now and then it's about a millimetre of rain, which means we're not getting any rain.
00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:13.519
Um it might, you know, you know, sod's law, it's gonna rain like mad right across the bank holiday weekend.
00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:14.799
But you know what?
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If it does, I'm actually gonna be really quite happy to go camping in the rain because you know we camped in Scotland in the rain, because there'd been no rain down here.
00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:26.240
We haven't had any significant rain since we came back from Scotland.
00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:27.039
Two months.
00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:27.759
Yeah, two months.
00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:30.720
We loved the rain up in Scotland.
00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:35.200
They were apologising to us at Van Gogh, and we were like, no, no, no, this is great.
00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:39.680
I love yeah I love putting the waterproofs on and just sitting in the rain, it was really lovely.
00:19:39.759 --> 00:19:49.359
So if it does chuck it down while we're away, I'm still going because I'm gonna be quite happy to sit in a field while it's raining, because the novel novelty of that at the moment.
00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:56.480
But if it's not raining, like you say, I'm gonna be really worried about you know, I'm not gonna take any risks.
00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:11.599
I'm just not gonna take any risks because you know, you don't want to be the guy that accidentally, you know, completely unintentionally, trying to do the right thing, but actually unintentionally sets fire to something, and these things get out of hand really, really quick.
00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:18.640
And you know, they result in people being hurt, they result in people losing livelihoods, you know, livestock being injured.
00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:24.880
I read today one of the one of the houses that have gone, they didn't manage to get the pets out of the house, the how the pets perished.
00:20:25.119 --> 00:20:28.880
You know, that's just like heartbreaking stuff, and you don't want to be the guy that's gonna be able to do it.
00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:31.519
Family members, family members, yeah.
00:20:31.759 --> 00:20:36.480
It's um so we we'll we will follow whatever rules are going.
00:20:36.559 --> 00:20:49.359
Uh I will consider the Mars fire and I'll and I might I might email them and and ask them about it, but um sometimes then you do poke the bear and they turn around and go, We've cancelled your your thing because you've asked a question that you shouldn't have asked.
00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:50.720
Um, do you know what I mean?
00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:53.359
And and and that that's the thing, isn't it?
00:20:53.519 --> 00:21:09.920
That there there is this sometimes with certain sites, uh, you know, oh is it okay if you know five five of us uh just lads, you know, that single sex kind of thing, and you go like, oh, uh sorry, we've cancelled you.
00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:12.720
I had that uh over up in Massum.
00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:17.599
Um you know uh and it it was screw them, screw them.
00:21:17.680 --> 00:21:18.720
I hate that site.
00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:21.359
I hate them at that site, they don't want campers on it.
00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:23.839
I have no idea why they have a camping field there.
00:21:24.079 --> 00:21:35.279
It's somebody needs to open another camp site up at Massum because um that those people are they're they're awful people, they're really anti-campers, and I um I can't stand them.
00:21:35.839 --> 00:21:38.400
Yeah, I'm I'm I'm not camping there ever again.
00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:40.400
No there you go, people.
00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:45.519
That's me and Tim slagging off uh a place, but yeah, they they don't want us.
00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:46.720
They don't want us.
00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:55.200
They've had enough money from uh uh our groups when we've been there, but you know, they w they want caravanners, that's it.
00:21:55.519 --> 00:21:56.160
Yeah.
00:21:56.880 --> 00:21:57.279
Cheers.
00:21:57.440 --> 00:21:58.960
What are you drinking tonight, Tim?
00:21:59.200 --> 00:21:59.519
I am
00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:01.839
Um San Miguel.
00:22:02.720 --> 00:22:03.519
I'm on the beer.
00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:04.400
I'm on the pop.
00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:05.599
I'm on San Miguel.
00:22:05.680 --> 00:22:07.680
I'm eating dry tortilla chips.
00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:12.960
And downstairs there are some uh some burgers and chips cooking.
00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:14.319
Wow.
00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:25.119
I um I I know I've talked to you about it before, but I'm I'm gonna spend a bit of time here and just say that so I'm a bit of a lagalout.
00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:32.240
You're you're a connoisseur of ales and findings, whatever temperature you drink them at, you know.
00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:39.759
Whereas I I you know I I do like a nice sort of foster's Budweiser, things like that.
00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:48.079
But here in the UK they've started adding like taking out like the normal brew brewing process, so there's uh other things in.
00:22:48.160 --> 00:23:02.160
So I've had to up my game in the quality of the beer that I drink so that I don't have glucose syrup or something, or that they've started putting in stuff uh that is brewed here in the UK.
00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:14.880
So I've uh I've gone for a more German kind of uh and it might actually be uh Czech, uh Budweiser Budvar, uh, which is brewed with just four ingredients.
00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:15.519
Cool.
00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:28.240
Um so yeah, uh I've I've stopped doing the other stuff because I was just it's bothering me, and they're saying it's changing people's yeah, it's um super addictive, super addictive stuff as well.
00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:34.160
So it's um yeah, yeah, it's the it's part of the shrinkation, isn't it?
00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:40.720
It's um you know, and and they're trying to make the same money but with a a product that isn't the same.
00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:42.960
So cheers, good good health.
00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:48.480
Good health, it's stuff that is brewed here in the UK, uh, because we don't have laws.
00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:53.440
Like over in Germany, they've got strict laws that you can't alter how things are brewed.
00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:58.400
So yeah, I'm starting to uh really pay attention to see what's in there.
00:23:58.720 --> 00:24:00.000
Interesting, interesting.
00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:10.000
So yeah, I'm not no, um it feels like uh I'm I'm less loutish and uh you know being a bit more sophisticated.
00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:13.440
Sophisticated in your lager drinking.
00:24:14.559 --> 00:24:15.039
Yep.
00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:16.559
Good for you, good for you.
00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:18.640
Well, uh you know, I think I think so.
00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:24.319
Um but you know, it's even with some of the the pale ale and stuff, Doombar, that has it in it.
00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:35.279
That was that that was my gateway ale drinking and that's been bought up by somebody, and that's got that stuff in it, so yeah.
00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:46.000
You did well there, because most people's gateway, uh you know, to to progress into adult drinks is uh is to go from lager to neck oil.
00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:54.559
But um anyone who actually does drink proper proper ales, you know, neck oil is just like it's an IPA, it's an IPA though, isn't it?
00:24:54.640 --> 00:25:07.599
It's like drinking flipping uh it's not even IPA, it's it's it's you know, it's just watered down, you know, it's lager cold and ale, but it's just a lager, really.
00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:17.200
It's um I do hate it when I go to a bar and they and all they've got is neck oil, it's like a couple of times I have actually just walked out because it was just why am I drinking?
00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:21.839
I don't want to drink that filthy muck, it's just I like something that's actually got some flavour to it.
00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:31.599
Well, so we've obviously digressed from fires to uh what we drinking, which does actually link up to being around a fire.
00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:43.759
But if you have an opinion that uh differs from me and Tim, and you know, you we don't want to offend anybody, but you can get to us on our socials.
00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:56.480
So we're on Facebook, we are on Instagram, messages, we have various sort of chats going on, and you know, we always we've got some new listeners, we've got some new joiners to those groups.
00:25:56.720 --> 00:25:58.319
Welcome one and oil.
00:25:59.119 --> 00:26:14.160
Oil, one and all, and uh you know, take part and uh challenge us if uh you think that we have uh said anything wrong because hey, we're we're still learning.
00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:16.079
Every day's a learning day, Tim.
00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:18.799
It is, it is, it is apart from neck oil.
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I was right about that.
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It's crap.
00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:22.160
Don't drink it, don't touch it.
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:23.359
Get a proper drink.
00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:26.480
If you're drinking that, you need to you need to sort yourself.
00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:27.680
Might as well be cider.
00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:28.960
Might as well be cider.
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:30.559
Might as well be alcohol pot.
00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:32.720
I mean, go get yourself a Moscow mule.
00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:37.200
Hey Tim, I I like a Moscow mule.
00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:38.000
Gooch.
00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:50.400
Hooch that um, yeah, so so that I I think let's have a little bit of a recap there.
00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:55.759
So if you go in, check the local uh rules.
00:26:56.000 --> 00:27:01.359
Yeah, check whether or not you can have a fire or a barbecue.
00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:06.480
Not one of the single-use ones, but you know, you'll still be able to maybe cook.
00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:14.880
But I think it it then questions if you're going and you know what you would normally do, you're not able to do.
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:17.440
So think about the food that you're gonna be cooking.
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:17.759
Yeah.
00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:21.440
Think about what you're what you need to take.
00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:23.039
Do you need more gas?
00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:25.759
Are you you know that those are the things really?
00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:28.720
You can't just do it as you'd normally do it.
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:31.759
I was listening to Capital FM this morning.
00:27:31.839 --> 00:27:36.240
Well, it's probably just called Capital now, because I'm old so I still think of FM.
00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:51.920
But they um they were they did a barbecue, Jordan North did a barbecue, and uh, and it was all gas, and he um he'd taken two of the large bottles of gas and both of them were half empty because he just thought they always have loads in.
00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:58.799
And uh and his celebrity barbecue, they uh nobody ate the burgers because nobody trusted them because they weren't actually cooked.
00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:04.079
It's um so check your gas, check your gas, have you got full bottles of gas?
00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:07.519
It's um because you are gonna have to cook on things in a different way.
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:16.720
We would normally do a barbecue over, you know, we'd we'd light a wood burner, maybe put some coals on it, and we'd um we'd put the grills on top and we'd cook on there.
00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:21.920
You do have to start thinking about cooking in a different way, and how are you gonna do that?
00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:32.720
Um, you know, a lot of the bushcraft guys out there, it's all open fire stuff, and I do wonder how that community's kind of getting on with all of this, really, because they're they're out there in the woods.
00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:34.720
Oh my god.
00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:42.319
Um, is that on your phone as well?
00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:44.079
That's on my phone, yeah.
00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:47.839
Severe uh alert has just come through.
00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:54.720
It's Friday, it's 7.01, and there is a very high risk of wild fires nationally.
00:28:54.960 --> 00:29:04.960
Residents, landowners, and visitors should not undertake any activity that could start a fire, including disposable barbecues, fire pits, garden incinerators, or fireworks.
00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:06.640
We're ahead of the curve again, Tim.
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:07.519
Oh my god.
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.519
This is going out after we've had that, but we are ahead of the curve.
00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:19.359
Yeah, it's happening as as uh yeah, so that's the national alert system, national warning system that we've only had in the UK for about six months.
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:23.440
They've only tested it once, and uh and yeah, bloody hell.
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:35.119
That is um um I have to say, and it says fireworks on there, I didn't get a lot of sleep last night for obvious reasons, you know, everywhere still smelled of smoke, and I kept waking up every every um probably hour.
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:36.000
2 a.m.
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:38.480
I was woken up to some idiots actually.
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:42.240
You mean in them clubs again that still allowed smoking?
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:48.720
No, you mean to Club Kit Kat.
00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:51.599
Oh Berlin.
00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:54.000
Berlin.
00:29:54.559 --> 00:29:56.960
The Kit Kat Club, leaving that at 6am.
00:29:57.359 --> 00:29:59.200
Gosh, then then what day is head?
00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:03.839
No, I was woking up at 2am with some idiots lighting fireworks somewhere.
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:06.079
Yeah.
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:07.440
Oh my god.
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:18.960
Some idiots lighting fireworks, firecrackers were going off, and on two sides of me there are fields, and um, and it and in one of those fields somebody was lighting firecrackers.
00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:29.680
So there's um a there's just idiots out there, and and obviously last night we were the centre of attention for for uh national news, you know.
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:35.759
We had airplanes, helicopters, loads of stuff going round all night long, loads of fire engines.
00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:39.519
We've had the Prime Minister here today walking round, you know.
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:50.480
There's some idiots, aren't there, who like that attention, so they they like to do really stupid things, but um, you know, what we'd say is don't be the stupid person.
00:30:50.640 --> 00:31:00.000
So um, so yeah, we are now in a na a proper full national alert, no fires, no campfires, no no barbecues, absolutely nothing.
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:07.200
We're a serious high risk of wildfires that um uh you know don't don't be the idiot, basically.
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:08.240
Don't be the idiot.
00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:25.839
Yeah, and and the thing is as well, what what we've seen on the news over the last few years is that by the time a fire gets going, it's not necessarily sparks, it's the adjacency to a hot heat.
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:28.160
So things just combust.
00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:30.720
Yeah, if they're so dry.
00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:32.079
They just do.
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:35.519
And I I think that's that's the thing.
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:41.440
It it's it might not be sparks, it might not be, but once that you know, it might be a spark that gets it going.
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:54.160
But once you've got a tree on fire that's full of resin and dry as anything, yeah, anything anything that's within sort of 20-30 feet of that just gonna go up because of the amount of heat that's coming off that.
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:55.039
Yeah.
00:31:55.359 --> 00:32:00.480
And last night, you know, the wind actually really picked up, which was my real worry.
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:06.960
Because we're a number of roads between us and and where the fires were and the houses that were on fire.
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:12.559
Um, but the wind was coming directly from where the fire, where the main fire was.
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:19.200
Uh we did have one on the other side, it was much smaller, but I worried about that slightly less because the wind was blowing that one away.
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:23.200
But I thought, and my other half said, Well, it's not going to come through all of that.
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:25.200
I said, Well, no, it's unlikely to do that.
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:37.839
But I said, sparks from there can travel quite far, embers can travel really quite far on a strong wind and land in a tree, and any of the trees around us are just completely, completely dry.
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:42.160
I mean, we're losing leaves off the trees in the garden because they're they're so dry.
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:48.319
It's um that was my real worry is that actually it could it could move very quickly once the wind picks up.
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:50.319
It's um yeah.
00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:52.880
And that's it, you know.
00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:56.960
Obviously, uh close to you have experienced that.
00:32:57.119 --> 00:33:10.319
People that we've seen on the news in various countries um experience that and you know you you don't want to be the cause of it, or no, no, have that happen.
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:13.279
So you know if you are sorry, gone.
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:19.920
No, well that's certainly here in the UK that national warning that has come through to all funds.
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:29.119
I doubt very much there'd be a camp uh site uh going at the minute that is uh gonna let anybody have fires.
00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:32.079
No, not at all.
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:33.039
Not at all.
00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:36.720
And if you're out there camping already, you know, put that stuff away.
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:39.119
They've probably already told you not not to use it.
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:58.319
Don't take it if you're if you're planning a camping trip, you know, plan it in a different way, cook your food in a different way, plan different food, you know, and that might include you know eating down the pub, because then you're supporting our local business, you know, it's um it's about thinking about doing stuff in a different way, isn't it?
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:01.039
Just to make sure that every everybody is safe.
00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:11.440
Um and and and so it it it does state in this uh undertaking any activity that could start a fight, including disposable barbecues.
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:21.199
So I think probably you know other barbecues might be available might still, but also you've then got to think, what do I do with that?
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:23.599
Because that keeps uh a lot of heat in it.
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:37.360
Yeah, you know, if you've got those briquettes, some of those hexagonal kind of uh um briquettes, they they last for hours upon hours and have a really good heat.
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:40.239
So yeah, just just be very careful.
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:42.960
It's where it's where you dispose of things as well, isn't it?
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:50.800
So if you know, even if you've you know you've taken a gas burner, you know, a twin gas burner or something like that, I'll take the jet boil.
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:53.119
The jet bowl's bloody hot, you know.
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:54.960
The bottom of a pan gets bloody hot.
00:34:55.039 --> 00:35:01.760
If you're taking a little hiking stove and balancing a pan on top of it to boil some water, where are you putting that pan down?
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:05.920
Because it is gonna singe the ground, and that's enough to set fire to stuff.
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:08.800
And and just think about those little details.
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:12.559
Oh I'm using gas and I've I've got this, so I'm gonna be alright.
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:19.280
You know, you can still be an idiot, you know, you can still set fire to a campsite by just putting a pan on the ground.
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:23.519
It's um it'll burn things, it'll it'll set fire to stuff.
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:26.400
I uh I went camping years ago.
00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:28.320
This is years, you know.
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:30.000
I was still in my twenties.
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:31.360
We're just in a forest.
00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:33.280
Is that before the war?
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:34.239
Yeah.
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:45.119
And uh we're on the forest floor with what we thought had scraped down to um um dirt.
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:48.639
Uh and we had a lovely fire just on the ground.
00:35:49.039 --> 00:36:05.519
Uh and in the morning there was burn marks that kind of spiraled out from and had gone quite far, and we'd not gone down to dirt, we'd just scraped out a little bit, and there was just all this stuff that had been burning away.
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:10.239
So you know and um and tree roots do that as well.
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:10.880
Yeah.
00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:19.440
You know, in real dry, dry periods like we've got now, tree roots will will be like a fuse, they'll be like a fire fuse to carry carry a fire along.
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:23.119
So um it's just not worth it at the moment.
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It's just not worth it if you're in these areas where they're saying, you know, we haven't had a full ban until literally two minutes ago, um, which we are now in a full in a full national ban.
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:44.159
Um so it does change the the the uh change the advice services slightly so it's absolutely don't do anything.
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But even if you're in an area where it is potentially ambiguous and you can talk to that campsite, you really have to think very carefully about what you're doing.
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:56.559
Because as I say, you don't want to be the idiot that sets something off.
00:36:56.960 --> 00:36:57.280
No.
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Uh so yeah, I mean completely, you know, think about the food that you're taking when you go.
00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:14.079
Think about you know, you were saying about burgers, like uh beef, beef burgers, they're okay, a little bit sort of rare, you know.
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:16.159
If anything, beef is alright, rare.
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:22.400
Well, it is that there's less sort of stuff in that, but you know, pork sausages, you can't eat them underdone.
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:27.360
No, no, we're certainly not advocating undercooking food.
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Um absolutely not.
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:39.199
It's uh you know, yeah, your gas binners are the way to go, but just then be be mindful that that isn't a foolproof system, you know.
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:42.639
You still need to put those pans and things down somewhere, you know.
00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:53.760
In two weeks' time, if we still had no rain, I'll take my kitchen station, I'll take my jet boil that's got a full metal top to it that I can move pans across.
00:37:53.920 --> 00:38:02.400
It's very well contained, there's nothing comes off that, you know, it's nice, clean, you know, it burns super clean, does that um jet ball genesis?
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I um I bloody love it.
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I can't wait to get it out in the field again.
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I haven't decided what I'm cooking yet.
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:14.960
Um I've said I'll do the first night meal and um and I but I'll I'll figure something out what I'm gonna cook.
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:18.159
But um it it's a it's a great piece of kit.
00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:31.199
I um quite you know I'm just gonna pivot to some other piece of kit, and if you don't have an equally great piece of kit, if you've just got a fire pit, well you need to get yourself a jet ball genesis, don't you?
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You need to go shopping.
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:38.000
Uh and I I have to say, I've just got myself a jet boil genesis, Tim.
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I know, I know it's um it's beautiful, isn't it?
00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:42.960
It's really beautiful.
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:54.800
D do you know uh how swanky we'd look if you and I were taking care of dinner, uh going camping together, and we got out two jet boil genes.
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It's like Michelin starred chefing on on the campsite.
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Absolutely, absolutely.
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:04.159
We'd we put Tom of uh off the beaten pot to shame, really.
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He'd just pack up and go home.
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:12.800
He'd go, two jetball genesis is I mean what I mean what what is the collective noun for jet ball genesis?
00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:21.599
I know everybody's uh probably saying something that we can't repeat now.
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But that's just jealousy, Tim.
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Don't let them get, did you?
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They they just wish that we they were us.
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Uh well, you know, so Tim.
00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:42.400
I think all that, you know, we're all pretty worried.
00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:47.920
We all know that we need to take care, and you know, that that's it.
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:52.480
So let's go with uh a mediocre five-star review.
00:39:52.559 --> 00:40:11.440
And we've had one before from Connor, but he sent us an excellent picture this week that uh was him having a beer sat by a pool over in Cyprus, and he said, What a better place to catch up on the last few weeks episodes than uh with a beer and a sun and the sun in Cyprus.
00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:13.199
So cheers, Connor.
00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:18.159
We really appreciate the sharing of that, and uh hope you're having a great time.
00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:27.599
So I I I you know I think I said something about it on um on his post, was just like, you know, I still find it amazing that people people listen.
00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:29.199
This you know, Connor.
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:30.480
We've never met Connor.
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:35.519
He's uh he's some guy out there on his holiday sitting next to a pool listening to us talk.
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:39.119
I mean, um clearly he's got a mental health problem.
00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:44.800
Yeah, I'm just looking at that.
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:46.480
That beer looks cloudy, Tim.
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:48.480
Oh, it might be a frosted glass.
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:52.320
It's probably a urine sample.
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:03.199
Yeah, well, you know, uh cheers, thank you so much.
00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:04.719
I'm raising a glass.
00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:07.840
Uh I am doing the same, doing the same.
00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:11.599
You're an earth you're you're you're raising a primus pot.
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:15.440
Uh I am from uh uh Richard gave me this.
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:18.960
It's uh one of my favorite drinking things.
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:24.559
Oh, Richard, favorite Richard, favorite, favorite host.
00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:25.519
Yeah.
00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:26.880
Whatever, whatever.
00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:28.719
It's coming camping with me.
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:35.039
Oh dear.
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:37.360
Right, shall we go for a minute mindfulness?
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:40.719
That's the only thing we can do.
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:47.519
Welcome to the casual camping minute mindfulness.
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Let the sounds of nature take you back to the camping field.
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:58.639
Is it right to put a campfire in that, or is it wrong to put a campfire in that?
00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:00.400
I was just thinking the same.
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:05.840
I was gonna come back with uh Tim, that's a bit mean to put a campfire in there.
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:12.960
Well, I think we do it and go for all you that were missing that, there's a campfire.
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:15.840
I'm not gonna edit this bit out, Ed.
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:18.159
I'm just gonna keep it on because it's funny.
00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:32.559
It just shows it was the one that was going through my mind, yeah, was just like I was gonna come back and go, Tim, that was a bit mean putting a campfire in there.
00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:42.480
That's awesome, awesome great minds think alike, and us two fools never differ.
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:46.320
Never change, that's the thing.
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:48.239
Yeah, that's funny.
00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:48.719
That is funny.
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:54.320
Okay, well, you know, that that was good that we didn't have to uh do that, so okay.
00:43:55.840 --> 00:44:01.360
So um, so yeah, I suppose uh last thing to say is just thank you very much for listening, everybody.
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:11.119
Um stay safe out there wherever you are in the country because it's very hot in a lot of places, um, apart from South America where it obviously it's colder.
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:15.280
Um but um at South Southern Hemisphere.
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:18.880
Oh man, it's not here that get the hemispheres wrong.
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:21.360
I'm I'm the I'm the smart one.
00:44:21.519 --> 00:44:27.679
Um gosh.
00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:38.639
I I was like, just there, I'm sure I've seen snow in the you know, take care everybody wherever you are.
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Have you know, find us on our socials, on Instagram, on Facebook.
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:44.800
We've got a great Facebook group, we're over on YouTube.
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:46.960
Um, come and talk to us.
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:50.880
Uh we are always desperate for people to talk to us.
00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:56.400
Yes, desperate is a good word for it.
00:44:56.960 --> 00:44:59.920
Desperate casual camping podcast.
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Desperation's what you need.
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