Josh Tyler: Happy day, everyone. Happy day, Tyler Tomlinson. We're coming to you.
Tyler: We are ready, baby.
Josh Tyler: Another CAP CHAT Another CAP Chat live. Power things in the Midwest. We're avoiding the storms. It's like kind of...
Tyler: You've got, No, I didn't see any tornadoes, but they were around.
Josh Tyler: So Friday, the entire town of Kansas City shut down. Not even an exaggeration. Every school in the metro Kansas City area got out of school early because there was supposed to be this Category 4 storm coming. So all the schools got out early. Parents were panicking. Businesses started shutting down. I was like, man, so I went out and like double-weighted down my trampoline. They canceled league play by two o'clock, which they've never done canceled league play that earlier. It was like the it was like Y2K all over again. ⁓ And and Belton got hit really hard. I don't want to take away from Belton because Belton got hit really hard. But for most of us is like a lot of rain. Like that was really it. We bear down for the worst, man. Like it was updating life insurance type bad storm.
Tyler: Right. You
Josh Tyler: like seriously, the entire like, aminahami schools in canton city, hundreds, hundreds
Tyler: You know, I'm glad we're this prepared for it, you know, ⁓ just because it's always possible. But like we've, we've been through more tornado warnings and watches like in this month. And I feel like we've had in a long time and luckily, you know, not a ton of damage in the Midwest overall from tornadoes. So that this that time of season.
Josh Tyler: Yeah. I agree. Yeah. Yeah, It's been crazy. It is, man. It's the mid, it's the Midwest. So fun show. ⁓ We're going to talk about the new national. ⁓ sound.
Tyler: Hold on, how about this transition? Now, the wings of change are affecting youth soccer.
Josh Tyler: All right, the winds of change coming in. So we're going to talk about two things. We're going to talk about the National One League. And then Tyler and I can have a discussion about confidence. About confidence. We briefly has disagreed on it. So I was like, let's save this for the air. But I do want to talk about, let's start. What do you want to start, Tyler? You want to start with the National One?
Tyler: News. You always got to start with the winds of change. There are news and we have to deliver the news. That's our responsibility.
Josh Tyler: Deliver the news for the people. So National League One come about. So it was previously the league that not be mentioned. So previously they called ⁓ New Comp. New Comp. So what has happened is US club and US soccer are coming together. So basically MPL and National League are coming to form a league. So MPL will go away, nationally goes away, and they're coming together to form one league that is called the National ⁓ ⁓ And so, which is really cool. So there'll be eight conferences and then the integration of the ECL or regional league playoffs. So team can go in into that. So... I'm going to read a quote from Mark Franklin, the commissioner of the National League here. He says, National One aligns with the broader goals of the U.S. Soccer Pathway Strategy. The work to connect players into the National One League begins now. Our team will partner with select operators in their respective state associations across the state, develop district level playoffs that are more inclusive and easier for players and parents to understand. The goal is not to disrupt local leagues, but to connect them into a clear national structure. So there you go. That is a quote from Mark. Tyler, I know you're not 100 % up to speed on this. So if you want to be the voice of our parents and coaches of maybe asking questions and see if I can answer them and what do you kind of think on what this looks like?
Tyler: Yeah, so I guess my first question is, you know, is this set up for, like, does my entire club have to be a part of National One League play in their platform?
Josh Tyler: ⁓ So I think that's the one of the coolest things about it is that it is is a team based ⁓ Not a club base so the difference is you have a club based platform like ECNL or RL or GA or aspire and I'm not picking on any of those leagues because I think they're fantastic so please don't post comments that anyway, but ⁓ The the downfall sometimes that
Tyler: not a club based.
Josh Tyler: If you're in ECNL, your entire club has to go into it. So you may have six teams. The U17 ⁓ really, good, but the U16 is not. So U16 ⁓ gets but U17 ⁓ is So that's kind of a tough, that can be a tough route. Whereas an individual team-based platform, you can bring one team only into that, and then you can. with this, you'll be able to play in the RO playoffs.
Tyler: Hmm, okay, so I don't need my whole club to be in this league. So maybe you know the answer to this question, maybe you don't. Because ECNL is club-based and my team is the National One League, can my team move up to the ECNL RL League?
Josh Tyler: Correct. Mm-hmm. No, the team won't move up. if you can sit, this is what now this is what they I've they've they've they said, if you consistently are doing well, let's say you eventually have five to six teams in National League One League, they they want to pull from within. So the their goal.
Tyler: They're more likely to choose you to elevate into the next league if you're already participating and doing well in their lower league.
Josh Tyler: Correct. Their goal is to not have they're trying to promote with them basically, they want to be able to promote the clubs from National League, National One League up into RL up into ECL.
Tyler: but there is no technical promotion.
Josh Tyler: Not so League one has there's three tiers. There's tier three, tier two, tier one. That is regular relegation promotion. So tier one is going to be the top tier two is going to be in between. And then tier three is going to be much more ⁓ two, two states possibly playing together. If you're based in the Midwest, it's what MADL will turn into. So kind of have a, you're playing across the state. ⁓
Tyler: Okay.
Josh Tyler: It's much more regionalized, so you're not traveling as far. Tier two, you travel tier one, you're going to be traveling a little more. That's the highest level of competition. They want you to start at the bottom. Starting next year, especially, no new teams can come directly into tier one. You're going have to work your way up for relegation and promotion, which I like.
Tyler: ⁓ Yeah, me that's probably the only flaw that I would say is if it's ECNL RL, National 1, then... But my team can't... My team's really good for National 1, ⁓ but we'll never to ECNL RL or higher because our whole club still has to go based off of just the... the grandfathered-in way of how this is how we do things. So it's structured, but it's not tiered a promotion relegation sense, which I think a little weird, but...
Josh Tyler: I can see it. the other side of the argument is that you're going to playoffs to play RL teams and you can continue to advance. So you'll be playing against other RL teams in playoffs. Correct. So you're right. If you're
Tyler: Sure, yeah, the playoff side of things. But you can win that playoff and then the next year you're in National One League still. After you beat every RL team. And that's a little weird, but... Okay. ⁓
Josh Tyler: Correct. Correct. Yeah, I see that point. I see the argument there.
Tyler: Yeah, the other argument that's definitely floating around all the reels and whatnot is if everything's with ECNL, why can't they just call all of the leagues ECNL? Like ECNL ECNL middle, ECNL three, four, ECNL five, and just make things easier for people. I think answer is because they don't promote.
Josh Tyler: You call. I think because...
Tyler: But I mean they're all related but there's no promotion so you can't there's no direct pathway to get through it
Josh Tyler: Correct. I think East NL really wants to be a team-based platform. think it's, ⁓ And now ⁓ may eventually, I don't know, but I think that because they want to be a team-based platform, East NL is a club-based and these are team-based. So I think that's a separation. I think that's the, that would my guess in the region, but I don't know. Yeah, I don't know that one. That's a good question, Tyler.
Tyler: ClubBase. Club bass. Well, I think that was just so... Sorry, sorry. No more tough questions. are you using with your hair to look so nice? Sorry.
Josh Tyler: Yeah, tough questions. We pre-screen these questions, ⁓ Next question is... Powdered and then... Anyway, go ahead, sir.
Tyler: Easy question. No, so I think ultimately I like that there's a team focus because like you said there could be really maybe some small clubs or just some teams with a lot of really talented players that don't get to play in the proper platform for their talent and exposure and this could at least start that. I don't see it finishing that quite yet so maybe this is just a step. I would really like if we could get rid of the, I think the club-based personally a platform where my whole club has to be in the platform or not is really a money grab ⁓ it's not about kids development at that point because this should be ⁓ driven, talent driven, ⁓ that's just my opinion on the topic ⁓ so once we get to that point and your team ⁓ your teams can advance through and play at the top level not your whole club that has to do it. It corners people into certain clubs in certain areas that have
Josh Tyler: you Mm. Hmm. That's a hot topic,
Tyler: the most money. So once again we have to try to get away from that in the United States if we want to be more competitive focus on ⁓ diverse huge population of soccer players that are available so we're getting the best players playing at the best levels all over the place. Until that happens like I think this is a step in the right direction for a lot of stuff that's happened obviously but there's still more we can do. ⁓
Josh Tyler: Yeah, you know, that opens a can of worms, but you're right. think there is so much identity put on a league instead of the club now. And I think that's unfortunate.
Tyler: That's a point. Yep. That's even taken my argument another level.
Josh Tyler: Yeah, no it is. You're identifying my club as an East NL club, okay. What happens if East NL changes its name? Or what happens if you all seem to, yeah, what happens if you get mad at East NL and you switch to MLS Next? Now all of you're in MLS Next club. I, and you see too much of it based on it. I'm not, again, if we look at Rush, we have a club at every single platform.
Tyler: They go bankrupt. Yeah.
Josh Tyler: So I think these platforms are valuable. And obviously there's no question, especially looking at Easton L, because I know someone's gonna comment. When you're at Easton L, that's where the majority of players are coming from for Division I colleges, on the girls' side. And MLS Next, so serve a really good purpose. So I'm not knocking any of that. But it is, I'm so tied to this, but it doesn't make you a better coach, it doesn't make a better club, it doesn't make you better at developing players. ⁓ Um, you know, we're in tryout season. It's like, uh, the reach, oh, I want to play an RL. Why? Well, I think it's better. Okay. There's RL clubs that the one of their teams just, they, they saw them. They gave up like 55 goals this year in 10 games and like, they scored one goal. Okay. Does that mean they're a better team than? No. So it. I don't know. So I agree with you. We put so much emphasis on the league instead of the club and the development. it's the same argument we have with Division 1 that, ⁓ I'm going Division 1. It must be better. No. think they correlate exactly. Find a fit for you. Find a club that you like the the environment, the culture, ⁓ and club that would develop you. You will go just as far ⁓ as in that's other whole other soapbox that I just got on. ⁓ you're right anyway, sorry so back to League back to League one.
Tyler: Sorry, sorry, didn't mean to get you on that. Yeah, once again, I think this is a great start. think everything's going in the right direction. I like that there's a little bit more team focused. I like that there's connection between platforms working together. And so I hope this is a bridge that continues to be built and we continue to do the right things for development ⁓ U.S. Soccer. ⁓
Josh Tyler: And I think one of things that makes it really great is, obviously I run a smaller club. I think it's great for the small clubs because ECL, like they're not going to continue to expand. I mean, hopefully, I mean, you can't dilute it. You can't have 10 ECL clubs ⁓ one market. So there's clubs that have missed that boat hypothetically, right? Two years ago, they were a little smaller. Now they've grown that air and they're not able to get into that league, which they feel. And so this to me is fantastic. It is a fantastic opportunity for one, all clubs and two, for clubs that don't have a platform. You know, I'm one of them. We have some really talented teams, but not all of our teams could be RL and we're kind of a younger club too. So we have no chance against them right now or RL, whatever that is. So one of my teams are applying for National League One and I think for smaller clubs that I think it goes heavily into play for a club, not a league. think this buys directly into it. So that's me. That's me. So that's the National One League. We'll have more as we're following the development. The map is, let share this map even. Let's get a little visual here so we can share the screen. This is the map that's happening.
Tyler: There you go. Oh, I see you got your conferences your Midwest here.
Josh Tyler: Yeah, so they're splitting the conferences. So in theory, Missouri, tier one, you would travel some distance, but you're going to be meeting in the middle. Tier two is not going to travel as far. So these are the regions that they're split into. and then here's all your league operators. But yeah, so that's the map. If you're in tier three, you're gonna play within these couple states and then somebody, that's what that looks like. So yeah. All right, Tyler, I got a question for you. So here's the question for you. Confidence. Is playing time directly related to confidence? playing time control your confidence?
Tyler: I'd go ⁓ ahead with your answer because I've heard this the soapbox today, and I feel it should be repeated for you
Josh Tyler: I think that confidence is a state of mind that should not be related to playing time. I think that if you are prepping and you can out, could I ask this, you're a communication major, if you're given a student, hey, you need to do a speech today, a class, what are you gonna do for the next two weeks to give yourself confidence to prepare for the speech? You're gonna practice your study.
Tyler: practice that speech.
Josh Tyler: My youngest, my oldest son is in nine days, is turning 15. And he's gonna take his, get his permit. What is he doing right now to take, to figure out that test? He's studying the book, right? Like, that gives, ⁓ the confidence. Like the instructor of his driving, we take the test, can't change the confidence. know, Tyler, you can't change your play, your... ⁓ your students confidence. You can give them the tools, but I think it's the same on the soccer field. Your playing time cannot dictate your confidence. What are you doing to prepare? Confidence is a state of mind, so what are you doing outside to prepare so when you have that moment to step on the field, whether it's for five, 10, 15 minutes or 90 minutes, you're confident on the ball, you're confident in your ability to make a difference. And I don't think coaches can dictate that. And I think sometimes it goes the opposite. If they're not at the skill level that of the rest of the team and you throw them in this game and they're just getting beat up. lost. They're again, now it says the opposite of confidence. Cause now they're not, they have no way to succeed. So that's my, that's my take on that playing time should not, should not dictate confidence.
Tyler: Yeah, I'll argue the other side of that is that playing time is a large contributor to confidence. And I do not disagree that practice is a big part of that and is a big component to that. But to use your analogies, someone that's practiced 500 hours and with a speech and then has to go give that speech in front of an audience. All your practice can't simulate that experience. And so having that experience versus someone that's given 500 speeches, right? They're going to be the one that's more confident because they've actually gone out and done it rather than just practiced it. ⁓ that studies a book on how to drive versus someone that's driving every day, who's the better driver. It's going to be the person that's driving every day and they're going to get the confidence from failing and making mistakes in the moment rather than practicing and preparing for that. And so. What I would argue is that the confidence comes from your situations and your learning and your experience in doing that ⁓ and lot of times that's from actually playing games. So ⁓ it doesn't mean... that you need playing time on the current team that you're on, it maybe is that you're on the wrong team. So you get more minutes by going to a team that suits your talent level better and has a better rotation because a lot of players are equal in talent. And so that be a solution when it comes to like sports and playing time. But for my ⁓ there are things. Like if I get away from soccer, I go to basketball. you know why in a game let's say basketball when she gets pressed is she going to turn the ball over? I think there's two reasons why. Maybe three. It's technical skill, confidence and composure. Well how do I get better at my confidence and composure? Well I have to improve my technical skill so she's got to dribble. all the time off the court away from anybody just practice dribbling and you know handling the ball so you're comfortable in that situation that will give you more confidence. The second part of the composure I can't simulate composure with confidence at home the driveway with no one around right you have to be put in that situation ⁓ actually play in that situation and fail in that situation to gain more confidence and so ⁓ my side of it.
Josh Tyler: about ⁓ okay valid unfortunately, man, I was really hoping just to totally disagree. Okay, so but Val, okay, what about training though? Okay, so if you're put in a situation, and let's say ⁓ you have competitive training environment, like, aren't you building confidence at some level?
Tyler: as well. ⁓ Yeah, of course. And that's why I said, you know, the technical skills and things that you need to gain are going to come from the future.
Josh Tyler: But even the composure, let's go back to your basketball analogy, or let's put it in soccer terms, because this is a soccer podcast, is that if every time someone pressures you, you panic and lose the ball. OK, so we do sessions ⁓ 1v1. Super Tyler, I'm going to play you the ball. I'm going to run at you. I'm going to simulate pressure. ⁓ And so now you start doing that, because that's what you train. Why am I training you like Tyler, you're a center back and run at you every time with the ball. I'm doing that so you can get a little more confidence. Now I can't dictate your confidence. I can put you in situations that may help your confidence. I can't give you more confidence. Cause I bet you have a player on your team at Culver and I know I have players that I don't want mention names that she maybe plays 90 minutes and still struggles with confidence. So it becomes, so what I mean, So that's the flip side of it. You're playing all the time and you still don't think you're good enough. What do I... Kid, you just scored three goals. Oh yeah, but I did this and this. that's where I think the mental...
Tyler: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's a great flip side of everything. Like, what if they do play all the time and they still, they're not.
Josh Tyler: Yeah, we all have those players and like I'm not physical but want to punch.
Tyler: Well, that goes back to your first statement was it is a state of mind. And I agree with that 100%. It is a state of mind because we gave examples of it coming this way, but you're like, I'm already playing, but my confidence still is going this way. Right? Like.
Josh Tyler: Yeah. Yeah. Alright, that's it everybody. Tyler Gershwin, thanks for coming by. Yeah. Yeah, I look and you've heard this probably before like, you know, they've just lost their confidence because they're not playing. That's not, don't put that on the coach. What are we doing outside of it? Like, what are we doing? And you know, I think there's such an emphasis right now on the mental performance side of things, you know, and I'm not bragging on KCMO, but we, you know, we've had partnered with ACG and through Rush that every once a month, once a First Monday, Monday of every month, ⁓ do mental performance training. What you doing ⁓ to with your confidence? And I think so many people blame it on a coach. go, my son or daughter's lost confidence because you're not playing them. No, and you said originally, maybe they're not at that level. Maybe ⁓ it's tough team. ⁓ here's question for you. ⁓ You a kid that's not at that level.
Tyler: Yeah.
Josh Tyler: Do you keep putting them in the game? Because what's that do to their confidence?
Tyler: Yeah, I mean, it depends on the age. Now you're getting very circumstantial, right? If they're younger, absolutely.
Josh Tyler: Let's stay older. Let's stay older. Let's take 11 v 11 because I think in general by 11 v 11 that we're not in this kumbaya equal playing time. Let's all hold hands and Red Rover. ⁓ my assumption 11 v 11. ⁓
Tyler: I mean, I think their playing time should be less than others in that situation. I do think they should all have playing time. I'm at the college level, no development that is worth stopping, in my opinion, at the high school level, you know, sitting on the bench.
Josh Tyler: I'm not necessarily in playing time. I'm with you. They should get in the game. I'm saying-
Tyler: Okay, yeah, they're gonna have they're gonna have less minutes. Yeah, and they mean
Josh Tyler: With that game if they get into this game and they're clearly outmatched Does that affect their confidence if every time they get in the game, they're just getting frickin smoked
Tyler: Yeah, so you're saying you're yeah, I see your point. There's a there could be an adverse effect to them playing at a level that's where at currently, so that could also deplete their confidence. So you can blame the coach for not having playing time. You can blame the player for, you getting in there, not having the talent ability to compete at that You know, there's there's lot of things that are affecting their confidence. I do think in a situation, though. you know that's needed for growth, like failure is needed for growth. so, they can't make it, they can't cut it, you know. ⁓
Josh Tyler: And that's the other thing too. So yeah, that's the unfortunate thing. So yeah, anyway, that's, I think that's a fun, I don't know, Tyler, I think that's, it's always an interesting debate.
Tyler: It's great. I'm going love to hear what people say and how they argue with us. You could do like your side of my side reel and see what people think.
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Josh Tyler: Another CAP CHAT Another CAP Chat live. Power things in the Midwest. We're avoiding the storms. It's like kind of...
Tyler: You've got, No, I didn't see any tornadoes, but they were around.
Josh Tyler: So Friday, the entire town of Kansas City shut down. Not even an exaggeration. Every school in the metro Kansas City area got out of school early because there was supposed to be this Category 4 storm coming. So all the schools got out early. Parents were panicking. Businesses started shutting down. I was like, man, so I went out and like double-weighted down my trampoline. They canceled league play by two o'clock, which they've never done canceled league play that earlier. It was like the it was like Y2K all over again. ⁓ And and Belton got hit really hard. I don't want to take away from Belton because Belton got hit really hard. But for most of us is like a lot of rain. Like that was really it. We bear down for the worst, man. Like it was updating life insurance type bad storm.
Tyler: Right. You
Josh Tyler: like seriously, the entire like, aminahami schools in canton city, hundreds, hundreds
Tyler: You know, I'm glad we're this prepared for it, you know, ⁓ just because it's always possible. But like we've, we've been through more tornado warnings and watches like in this month. And I feel like we've had in a long time and luckily, you know, not a ton of damage in the Midwest overall from tornadoes. So that this that time of season.
Josh Tyler: Yeah. I agree. Yeah. Yeah, It's been crazy. It is, man. It's the mid, it's the Midwest. So fun show. ⁓ We're going to talk about the new national. ⁓ sound.
Tyler: Hold on, how about this transition? Now, the wings of change are affecting youth soccer.
Josh Tyler: All right, the winds of change coming in. So we're going to talk about two things. We're going to talk about the National One League. And then Tyler and I can have a discussion about confidence. About confidence. We briefly has disagreed on it. So I was like, let's save this for the air. But I do want to talk about, let's start. What do you want to start, Tyler? You want to start with the National One?
Tyler: News. You always got to start with the winds of change. There are news and we have to deliver the news. That's our responsibility.
Josh Tyler: Deliver the news for the people. So National League One come about. So it was previously the league that not be mentioned. So previously they called ⁓ New Comp. New Comp. So what has happened is US club and US soccer are coming together. So basically MPL and National League are coming to form a league. So MPL will go away, nationally goes away, and they're coming together to form one league that is called the National ⁓ ⁓ And so, which is really cool. So there'll be eight conferences and then the integration of the ECL or regional league playoffs. So team can go in into that. So... I'm going to read a quote from Mark Franklin, the commissioner of the National League here. He says, National One aligns with the broader goals of the U.S. Soccer Pathway Strategy. The work to connect players into the National One League begins now. Our team will partner with select operators in their respective state associations across the state, develop district level playoffs that are more inclusive and easier for players and parents to understand. The goal is not to disrupt local leagues, but to connect them into a clear national structure. So there you go. That is a quote from Mark. Tyler, I know you're not 100 % up to speed on this. So if you want to be the voice of our parents and coaches of maybe asking questions and see if I can answer them and what do you kind of think on what this looks like?
Tyler: Yeah, so I guess my first question is, you know, is this set up for, like, does my entire club have to be a part of National One League play in their platform?
Josh Tyler: ⁓ So I think that's the one of the coolest things about it is that it is is a team based ⁓ Not a club base so the difference is you have a club based platform like ECNL or RL or GA or aspire and I'm not picking on any of those leagues because I think they're fantastic so please don't post comments that anyway, but ⁓ The the downfall sometimes that
Tyler: not a club based.
Josh Tyler: If you're in ECNL, your entire club has to go into it. So you may have six teams. The U17 ⁓ really, good, but the U16 is not. So U16 ⁓ gets but U17 ⁓ is So that's kind of a tough, that can be a tough route. Whereas an individual team-based platform, you can bring one team only into that, and then you can. with this, you'll be able to play in the RO playoffs.
Tyler: Hmm, okay, so I don't need my whole club to be in this league. So maybe you know the answer to this question, maybe you don't. Because ECNL is club-based and my team is the National One League, can my team move up to the ECNL RL League?
Josh Tyler: Correct. Mm-hmm. No, the team won't move up. if you can sit, this is what now this is what they I've they've they've they said, if you consistently are doing well, let's say you eventually have five to six teams in National League One League, they they want to pull from within. So the their goal.
Tyler: They're more likely to choose you to elevate into the next league if you're already participating and doing well in their lower league.
Josh Tyler: Correct. Their goal is to not have they're trying to promote with them basically, they want to be able to promote the clubs from National League, National One League up into RL up into ECL.
Tyler: but there is no technical promotion.
Josh Tyler: Not so League one has there's three tiers. There's tier three, tier two, tier one. That is regular relegation promotion. So tier one is going to be the top tier two is going to be in between. And then tier three is going to be much more ⁓ two, two states possibly playing together. If you're based in the Midwest, it's what MADL will turn into. So kind of have a, you're playing across the state. ⁓
Tyler: Okay.
Josh Tyler: It's much more regionalized, so you're not traveling as far. Tier two, you travel tier one, you're going to be traveling a little more. That's the highest level of competition. They want you to start at the bottom. Starting next year, especially, no new teams can come directly into tier one. You're going have to work your way up for relegation and promotion, which I like.
Tyler: ⁓ Yeah, me that's probably the only flaw that I would say is if it's ECNL RL, National 1, then... But my team can't... My team's really good for National 1, ⁓ but we'll never to ECNL RL or higher because our whole club still has to go based off of just the... the grandfathered-in way of how this is how we do things. So it's structured, but it's not tiered a promotion relegation sense, which I think a little weird, but...
Josh Tyler: I can see it. the other side of the argument is that you're going to playoffs to play RL teams and you can continue to advance. So you'll be playing against other RL teams in playoffs. Correct. So you're right. If you're
Tyler: Sure, yeah, the playoff side of things. But you can win that playoff and then the next year you're in National One League still. After you beat every RL team. And that's a little weird, but... Okay. ⁓
Josh Tyler: Correct. Correct. Yeah, I see that point. I see the argument there.
Tyler: Yeah, the other argument that's definitely floating around all the reels and whatnot is if everything's with ECNL, why can't they just call all of the leagues ECNL? Like ECNL ECNL middle, ECNL three, four, ECNL five, and just make things easier for people. I think answer is because they don't promote.
Josh Tyler: You call. I think because...
Tyler: But I mean they're all related but there's no promotion so you can't there's no direct pathway to get through it
Josh Tyler: Correct. I think East NL really wants to be a team-based platform. think it's, ⁓ And now ⁓ may eventually, I don't know, but I think that because they want to be a team-based platform, East NL is a club-based and these are team-based. So I think that's a separation. I think that's the, that would my guess in the region, but I don't know. Yeah, I don't know that one. That's a good question, Tyler.
Tyler: ClubBase. Club bass. Well, I think that was just so... Sorry, sorry. No more tough questions. are you using with your hair to look so nice? Sorry.
Josh Tyler: Yeah, tough questions. We pre-screen these questions, ⁓ Next question is... Powdered and then... Anyway, go ahead, sir.
Tyler: Easy question. No, so I think ultimately I like that there's a team focus because like you said there could be really maybe some small clubs or just some teams with a lot of really talented players that don't get to play in the proper platform for their talent and exposure and this could at least start that. I don't see it finishing that quite yet so maybe this is just a step. I would really like if we could get rid of the, I think the club-based personally a platform where my whole club has to be in the platform or not is really a money grab ⁓ it's not about kids development at that point because this should be ⁓ driven, talent driven, ⁓ that's just my opinion on the topic ⁓ so once we get to that point and your team ⁓ your teams can advance through and play at the top level not your whole club that has to do it. It corners people into certain clubs in certain areas that have
Josh Tyler: you Mm. Hmm. That's a hot topic,
Tyler: the most money. So once again we have to try to get away from that in the United States if we want to be more competitive focus on ⁓ diverse huge population of soccer players that are available so we're getting the best players playing at the best levels all over the place. Until that happens like I think this is a step in the right direction for a lot of stuff that's happened obviously but there's still more we can do. ⁓
Josh Tyler: Yeah, you know, that opens a can of worms, but you're right. think there is so much identity put on a league instead of the club now. And I think that's unfortunate.
Tyler: That's a point. Yep. That's even taken my argument another level.
Josh Tyler: Yeah, no it is. You're identifying my club as an East NL club, okay. What happens if East NL changes its name? Or what happens if you all seem to, yeah, what happens if you get mad at East NL and you switch to MLS Next? Now all of you're in MLS Next club. I, and you see too much of it based on it. I'm not, again, if we look at Rush, we have a club at every single platform.
Tyler: They go bankrupt. Yeah.
Josh Tyler: So I think these platforms are valuable. And obviously there's no question, especially looking at Easton L, because I know someone's gonna comment. When you're at Easton L, that's where the majority of players are coming from for Division I colleges, on the girls' side. And MLS Next, so serve a really good purpose. So I'm not knocking any of that. But it is, I'm so tied to this, but it doesn't make you a better coach, it doesn't make a better club, it doesn't make you better at developing players. ⁓ Um, you know, we're in tryout season. It's like, uh, the reach, oh, I want to play an RL. Why? Well, I think it's better. Okay. There's RL clubs that the one of their teams just, they, they saw them. They gave up like 55 goals this year in 10 games and like, they scored one goal. Okay. Does that mean they're a better team than? No. So it. I don't know. So I agree with you. We put so much emphasis on the league instead of the club and the development. it's the same argument we have with Division 1 that, ⁓ I'm going Division 1. It must be better. No. think they correlate exactly. Find a fit for you. Find a club that you like the the environment, the culture, ⁓ and club that would develop you. You will go just as far ⁓ as in that's other whole other soapbox that I just got on. ⁓ you're right anyway, sorry so back to League back to League one.
Tyler: Sorry, sorry, didn't mean to get you on that. Yeah, once again, I think this is a great start. think everything's going in the right direction. I like that there's a little bit more team focused. I like that there's connection between platforms working together. And so I hope this is a bridge that continues to be built and we continue to do the right things for development ⁓ U.S. Soccer. ⁓
Josh Tyler: And I think one of things that makes it really great is, obviously I run a smaller club. I think it's great for the small clubs because ECL, like they're not going to continue to expand. I mean, hopefully, I mean, you can't dilute it. You can't have 10 ECL clubs ⁓ one market. So there's clubs that have missed that boat hypothetically, right? Two years ago, they were a little smaller. Now they've grown that air and they're not able to get into that league, which they feel. And so this to me is fantastic. It is a fantastic opportunity for one, all clubs and two, for clubs that don't have a platform. You know, I'm one of them. We have some really talented teams, but not all of our teams could be RL and we're kind of a younger club too. So we have no chance against them right now or RL, whatever that is. So one of my teams are applying for National League One and I think for smaller clubs that I think it goes heavily into play for a club, not a league. think this buys directly into it. So that's me. That's me. So that's the National One League. We'll have more as we're following the development. The map is, let share this map even. Let's get a little visual here so we can share the screen. This is the map that's happening.
Tyler: There you go. Oh, I see you got your conferences your Midwest here.
Josh Tyler: Yeah, so they're splitting the conferences. So in theory, Missouri, tier one, you would travel some distance, but you're going to be meeting in the middle. Tier two is not going to travel as far. So these are the regions that they're split into. and then here's all your league operators. But yeah, so that's the map. If you're in tier three, you're gonna play within these couple states and then somebody, that's what that looks like. So yeah. All right, Tyler, I got a question for you. So here's the question for you. Confidence. Is playing time directly related to confidence? playing time control your confidence?
Tyler: I'd go ⁓ ahead with your answer because I've heard this the soapbox today, and I feel it should be repeated for you
Josh Tyler: I think that confidence is a state of mind that should not be related to playing time. I think that if you are prepping and you can out, could I ask this, you're a communication major, if you're given a student, hey, you need to do a speech today, a class, what are you gonna do for the next two weeks to give yourself confidence to prepare for the speech? You're gonna practice your study.
Tyler: practice that speech.
Josh Tyler: My youngest, my oldest son is in nine days, is turning 15. And he's gonna take his, get his permit. What is he doing right now to take, to figure out that test? He's studying the book, right? Like, that gives, ⁓ the confidence. Like the instructor of his driving, we take the test, can't change the confidence. know, Tyler, you can't change your play, your... ⁓ your students confidence. You can give them the tools, but I think it's the same on the soccer field. Your playing time cannot dictate your confidence. What are you doing to prepare? Confidence is a state of mind, so what are you doing outside to prepare so when you have that moment to step on the field, whether it's for five, 10, 15 minutes or 90 minutes, you're confident on the ball, you're confident in your ability to make a difference. And I don't think coaches can dictate that. And I think sometimes it goes the opposite. If they're not at the skill level that of the rest of the team and you throw them in this game and they're just getting beat up. lost. They're again, now it says the opposite of confidence. Cause now they're not, they have no way to succeed. So that's my, that's my take on that playing time should not, should not dictate confidence.
Tyler: Yeah, I'll argue the other side of that is that playing time is a large contributor to confidence. And I do not disagree that practice is a big part of that and is a big component to that. But to use your analogies, someone that's practiced 500 hours and with a speech and then has to go give that speech in front of an audience. All your practice can't simulate that experience. And so having that experience versus someone that's given 500 speeches, right? They're going to be the one that's more confident because they've actually gone out and done it rather than just practiced it. ⁓ that studies a book on how to drive versus someone that's driving every day, who's the better driver. It's going to be the person that's driving every day and they're going to get the confidence from failing and making mistakes in the moment rather than practicing and preparing for that. And so. What I would argue is that the confidence comes from your situations and your learning and your experience in doing that ⁓ and lot of times that's from actually playing games. So ⁓ it doesn't mean... that you need playing time on the current team that you're on, it maybe is that you're on the wrong team. So you get more minutes by going to a team that suits your talent level better and has a better rotation because a lot of players are equal in talent. And so that be a solution when it comes to like sports and playing time. But for my ⁓ there are things. Like if I get away from soccer, I go to basketball. you know why in a game let's say basketball when she gets pressed is she going to turn the ball over? I think there's two reasons why. Maybe three. It's technical skill, confidence and composure. Well how do I get better at my confidence and composure? Well I have to improve my technical skill so she's got to dribble. all the time off the court away from anybody just practice dribbling and you know handling the ball so you're comfortable in that situation that will give you more confidence. The second part of the composure I can't simulate composure with confidence at home the driveway with no one around right you have to be put in that situation ⁓ actually play in that situation and fail in that situation to gain more confidence and so ⁓ my side of it.
Josh Tyler: about ⁓ okay valid unfortunately, man, I was really hoping just to totally disagree. Okay, so but Val, okay, what about training though? Okay, so if you're put in a situation, and let's say ⁓ you have competitive training environment, like, aren't you building confidence at some level?
Tyler: as well. ⁓ Yeah, of course. And that's why I said, you know, the technical skills and things that you need to gain are going to come from the future.
Josh Tyler: But even the composure, let's go back to your basketball analogy, or let's put it in soccer terms, because this is a soccer podcast, is that if every time someone pressures you, you panic and lose the ball. OK, so we do sessions ⁓ 1v1. Super Tyler, I'm going to play you the ball. I'm going to run at you. I'm going to simulate pressure. ⁓ And so now you start doing that, because that's what you train. Why am I training you like Tyler, you're a center back and run at you every time with the ball. I'm doing that so you can get a little more confidence. Now I can't dictate your confidence. I can put you in situations that may help your confidence. I can't give you more confidence. Cause I bet you have a player on your team at Culver and I know I have players that I don't want mention names that she maybe plays 90 minutes and still struggles with confidence. So it becomes, so what I mean, So that's the flip side of it. You're playing all the time and you still don't think you're good enough. What do I... Kid, you just scored three goals. Oh yeah, but I did this and this. that's where I think the mental...
Tyler: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's a great flip side of everything. Like, what if they do play all the time and they still, they're not.
Josh Tyler: Yeah, we all have those players and like I'm not physical but want to punch.
Tyler: Well, that goes back to your first statement was it is a state of mind. And I agree with that 100%. It is a state of mind because we gave examples of it coming this way, but you're like, I'm already playing, but my confidence still is going this way. Right? Like.
Josh Tyler: Yeah. Yeah. Alright, that's it everybody. Tyler Gershwin, thanks for coming by. Yeah. Yeah, I look and you've heard this probably before like, you know, they've just lost their confidence because they're not playing. That's not, don't put that on the coach. What are we doing outside of it? Like, what are we doing? And you know, I think there's such an emphasis right now on the mental performance side of things, you know, and I'm not bragging on KCMO, but we, you know, we've had partnered with ACG and through Rush that every once a month, once a First Monday, Monday of every month, ⁓ do mental performance training. What you doing ⁓ to with your confidence? And I think so many people blame it on a coach. go, my son or daughter's lost confidence because you're not playing them. No, and you said originally, maybe they're not at that level. Maybe ⁓ it's tough team. ⁓ here's question for you. ⁓ You a kid that's not at that level.
Tyler: Yeah.
Josh Tyler: Do you keep putting them in the game? Because what's that do to their confidence?
Tyler: Yeah, I mean, it depends on the age. Now you're getting very circumstantial, right? If they're younger, absolutely.
Josh Tyler: Let's stay older. Let's stay older. Let's take 11 v 11 because I think in general by 11 v 11 that we're not in this kumbaya equal playing time. Let's all hold hands and Red Rover. ⁓ my assumption 11 v 11. ⁓
Tyler: I mean, I think their playing time should be less than others in that situation. I do think they should all have playing time. I'm at the college level, no development that is worth stopping, in my opinion, at the high school level, you know, sitting on the bench.
Josh Tyler: I'm not necessarily in playing time. I'm with you. They should get in the game. I'm saying-
Tyler: Okay, yeah, they're gonna have they're gonna have less minutes. Yeah, and they mean
Josh Tyler: With that game if they get into this game and they're clearly outmatched Does that affect their confidence if every time they get in the game, they're just getting frickin smoked
Tyler: Yeah, so you're saying you're yeah, I see your point. There's a there could be an adverse effect to them playing at a level that's where at currently, so that could also deplete their confidence. So you can blame the coach for not having playing time. You can blame the player for, you getting in there, not having the talent ability to compete at that You know, there's there's lot of things that are affecting their confidence. I do think in a situation, though. you know that's needed for growth, like failure is needed for growth. so, they can't make it, they can't cut it, you know. ⁓
Josh Tyler: And that's the other thing too. So yeah, that's the unfortunate thing. So yeah, anyway, that's, I think that's a fun, I don't know, Tyler, I think that's, it's always an interesting debate.
Tyler: It's great. I'm going love to hear what people say and how they argue with us. You could do like your side of my side reel and see what people think.
Josh Tyler: Yeah, we're going to see. guys, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Thumbs up for Josh, heart for Tyler. We're going to, we're going or if you ⁓ with Tyler, put sizzle. ⁓ Sizzling. All right, guys. Hey, thanks so much for joining. This has been CapChat Live. In tornado season, ⁓ is the king of tornado chasing.
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Tyler: It's of my life, yeah. Dorothy is named after my dog, Dorothy. RIP.
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