Dragonslayer (1981) • Magic & Monsters feat. Patrick Kozicky

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To all who come to this happy place, welcome.
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Well, if you are new to Magic and Monsters, welcome.
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Let me tell you a little bit about... This series,
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this now long time running series with our favorite
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Disney themed podcasters, Gays Do The D, hosted
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and produced by Patrick Kozicki, the one and
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only. If you're new to this series, me and Patrick
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talk about monster movies specific to the House
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of Mouse. We talk about. The same things you're
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used to, production, history, cast, and crew.
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We dig a little bit into the Disney context,
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some Disney history, where the studio was at
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the time of this film, why they decided to make
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a movie that may or may not be kind of outside
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of the realm of their usual offerings. A lot
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of these movies are more adult, for example.
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We've talked about in the past The Watcher in
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the Woods. Some call it the scariest Disney movie
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of all time. It certainly was pretty bonkers,
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and I'd recommend it to anybody. But then there's
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more classic stuff like The Shaggy Dog, which
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is very typical Disney fare. But that movie in
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particular is a bona fide. lycanthropy wear movie.
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So if you didn't have that one on your radar,
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check out the Shaggy Dog. I think you'll be pleasantly
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surprised. But for this week's episode, we're
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getting our dragon on, Dragon Slayer. Well, listeners,
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the show as he pursues his PhD dreams in film
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studies. So he's actually teaching right now.
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If you're listening to this right now, he might
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be teaching or prepping for a class. You know
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how good he is at that stuff on this podcast.
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I consider myself a student of his. Every time
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he starts talking about something from film history
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or some international film. And has a way to
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use it in discussion of monster movies. That's
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what we love doing on Camp Kaiju. Matt's among
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the best. So kudos to you, bud. Have a great
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year. And get your students to listen to Camp
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Kaiju. If you're not, you know, I don't know
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if you're pulling your weight, to be honest.
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No, I'm joking. I'm joking. Maybe a little extra
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credit? All right, all right. From one teacher
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to another, I'll let you make those decisions.
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Oh, and by the way, I just have to say, you know,
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sure, Peter Lorre, you take off in your little
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rocket ship, you go fight some space rat, and
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you don't tell me that you are in a new movie?
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This, the year 2026, Peter Lorre stars in...
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Coyote vs. Acme. That's right, the new Looney
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Tune movie. I sit down in the theater. I got
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my bag of popcorn. I'm ready to watch Bugs and
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Daffy. And what's the first Looney Tune I see
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on the screen? Dr. Peter Lorre. If you know,
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you know. If you don't know, look into it. But
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our friend Peter Lorre, this whole time, had
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a new movie in the works. And God bless that
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man. Now, before we get into Dragon Slayer and
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I tell you a little bit more about magic and
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monsters, everybody, I do want to say stay tuned.
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Two weeks from now on Camp Kaiju, we are going
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to go back to some traditional Kaiju and talk
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about Son of Kong, the 1933 sequel to King Kong.
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Effects by Willis O 'Brien, same director, same
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creative team. So if you have not seen Son of
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Kong, now's your chance. And in two weeks, look
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for that episode in your podcast feeds. All right,
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folks, let's get on with the show. Grab your
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swords and shields and your fancy magic poles
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and let's slay some dragons. I have been witness
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to something. Something of consequence to you.
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To me. A great task needing to be done. No doubt
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you've heard of our trouble at home. A dragon.
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Fire and stench. It is evil. Pure and simple.
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You want me to do battle with that? Behold, for
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I am chosen. I shall die that many may live.
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Twice each year, the king selects a new victim.
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Chosen by lot. Girls. Virgins. Your kings made
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a pact with a monster. But your children were
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dying. Only a few. Does that sound cruel? Blacksmith,
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have you ever forged a weapon? An edge like no
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other on this earth. Dragonslayer. Coming from
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Paramount Pictures. Well, hello, everybody. It
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is Vincent here from Camp Kaiju Monster Movie
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Podcast. Hey -oh, and this is Patrick, formerly
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from the Gays Do the D podcast. What? I know.
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Stay tuned. And we are here for another, that's
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right, another crossover episode of Magic and
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Monsters, where we explore the wonderful world
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of creature features. On today's episode, we're
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getting our fantasy on with Dragonslayer. So
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grab those swords. Hold up those shields and
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get a bag of marshmallows for roasting. And away
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we go. Do you have your sword? I'm always prepared
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with sword and shield, Vincent. You know that
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about me. As long as your shield is made out
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of the scales of a dragon. Which is the only
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thing that makes sense to fight off a dragon.
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You must have other pieces of dragon with you.
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It kind of made sense. Sure. In a world of make
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-believe. You know what? You're not wrong. I
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need to really immerse myself and go, this is
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clearly all fiction, and they are making some
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of it up, maybe as they go. Okay. I can't wait
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to talk about Dragon Slayer. I can't wait to
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catch up with you. I can't wait to play our trivia
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quiz, because I think where we left it off, I
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am behind you in the points count. Okay. Okay.
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All right. I'm playing for the house here. That's
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right. And we'll just roll up our sleeves and
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roll up our chain mail and get into it. I like
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it. I like it. I'm excited. How you been since
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The Watcher in the Woods? It's been a while,
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man. Well, that was literally last summer that
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we recorded that. Is that correct? Yeah. I didn't
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drop it until October or September, but yeah.
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Crazy. Last summer, we did Shaggy Dog and Watcher
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in the Woods. That's right. That's right. Not
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that that's the last time you and I have seen
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each other, but the last time we've recorded
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with each other. It was the last time I listened
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to you. That's fair. And I really recommend that
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everyone else stop listening to me immediately.
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My advice is not great. I've been good, though.
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I've been good. Thanks for asking. As I said
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in the intro, I am now... Patrick, formerly from
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the Gays Do The D podcast, as we have recorded
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our last 300th episode of the podcast and laid
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that baby to rest. Not to say that it may not
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come back someday here and there in other forms,
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but as far as official episodes go, we are done
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with Gays Do The D. Well, congratulations. Thanks.
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300 episodes. I know. It's pretty surreal. Almost
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eight years in the making to get to 300. Yeah.
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Yeah. Explain for our dear listeners what your
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show was all about. Is all about. It's still
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out there, right? We can still listen to it.
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It's still available wherever you listen to your
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podcast. We did not shut down the hosting site.
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We hope to find new listeners all the time and
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they can still reach out to us on Instagram,
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etc. But basically, we started eight years ago,
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my friend Adam and I, with a little podcast about
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our love of Disney and the intersection of Disney,
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sort of the Venn diagram of where gay culture
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meets Disney culture. in regards to pop culture.
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So eight years later, we talked about almost
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everything you could possibly talk about when
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it comes to Disney and sort of camp culture,
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you know? Yeah, lots of movies, lots of theme
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park discussion, and everything in between. I
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was always tuning in for your movie discussions,
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naturally. Sure, sure. Those were some of my
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favorite episodes. You know me, I love talking
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about movies. I could talk about them all day
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long. Hence why I'm here with you right now talking
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about movies. And is Dragon Slayer a Disney movie?
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What a great question. Yes and no, I guess, is
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the answer, right? So this is not the first time,
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but I believe the last time that Disney actually
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partnered up with Paramount to co -produce a
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movie. And when I say co -produce, I mean they
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just kind of... lent their name so they could
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use overseas distribution rights that Disney
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had that Paramount did not have to get this movie
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overseas. The first time they did that was a
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few years prior to this movie with a little movie
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called Popeye with Robin Williams. And it's a
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wild, wild movie, just like this one is too.
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So I don't know how they decided to do these
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two, but I think they just wanted the dollars,
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if I'm being honest, because they had very little
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to do with it artistically. Oh, yeah, for sure.
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For sure. One thing I'll I'll note now. Why wait?
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Yeah. Dragon Slayer to me is is so cut from the
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same cloth as a Star Wars in the early 80s. There
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was a lot of wannabe Star Wars aesthetics and
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relationships. Which is just the hero's journey.
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You had the mentor, the wise old man, you had
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this, that, and the other. But I don't think
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it's a coincidence that Dragon Slayer is produced
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in the wake of the Star Wars fantasy boon of
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the early 80s. Yeah, absolutely. Fully, fully
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co -sign that. In fact, quite a few of the artistic
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team would go on to work on future Star Wars
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movies after Dragon Slayer. And you can kind
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of see some of the similarities between the creatures
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in this movie and creatures that show up later
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on in the Star Wars saga. Right. Before it had
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come before. Absolutely. Truly. Yeah. Yeah. So
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there you go, listeners. A little, just to wet
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your whistle a little bit there. But what else
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are we going to dig into? Just like a normal
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episode of Camp Kaiju, we're going to talk about
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the cast and crew a little bit. We're going to
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talk about the production history and all this
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with Patrick's Disney expertise. He's going to
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lend to the conversation. Yep, you're up, Patrick.
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So don't fail us now. So we're going to just
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talk about where Disney was, where monster movies
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were, and fantasy films in particular. We do
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have some comments from a listener, I believe.
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I'm going to read later on and then our quiz.
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So, yeah, man. I love it. Let's get into it.
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Great. Great. Am I up first with some Disney
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knowledge? Yes, just hit us with Disney knowledge.
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Who's Disney? What is Disney? Start with Steamboat
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Willie. Yeah, yeah. We'll go forward from there.
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Yeah, generally, this is, I would say, where
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I would insert, like, here's where Disney is
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in this time and why it's significant for Disney.
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I don't know that that's necessarily helpful
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right now with this movie because they didn't
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really, I mean, other than we said the distribution
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rights for overseas distribution of this movie,
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they had almost zero to do artistically with
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this movie. And so it's almost, I would say,
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like I said, unhelpful to really. to add some
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Disney magic to this movie other than I imagine
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some of the animators and some of the puppeteers
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had some crossover with some Disney movies here
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and there, but no actual direction from Disney,
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no actual artistic input from Disney. And they
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weren't really doing movies like this. This was
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much darker than Disney. I will say the only
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interesting... tidbit maybe not the only interesting
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tidbit is that this would have been just before
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disney sort of created their touchstone pictures
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side hustle i guess you would call the time and
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so this may have this movie and like i said they
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distributed popeye as well may have had a little
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bit of a catalyst for them to create touchstone
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they realize that they can get involved in more
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adult movies but They weren't yet at this time.
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And it is very clearly this one very clearly
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is not a Disney movie, whereas Popeye is a little
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bit more lending toward the Disney community.
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Yeah, I was two things. I want to unpack what
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you just said a little bit, but I want to go
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back. Why? Why was Disney compelled to partner
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with a rival studio? Well, they weren't. This
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was. kind of during the darker days of Disney,
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right? This was in between the two major eras
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of when Walt had passed away and the Renaissance
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of Disney starting with what most people consider
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the start of the Renaissance, which was the Little
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Mermaid for Disney. So they were kind of all
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over the map. There was not a lot of... clear
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direction from from the ceos of disney of which
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there were a couple in between there and i think
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they were just kind of flailing they didn't know
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really where they wanted to be the disney channel
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was starting to come out a little bit more they
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were starting to get into a lot more like wacky
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live action movies animation was almost non -existent
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at this time say for a movie here and there every
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couple years And so I think that they were just
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trying to they were thrown spaghetti at the wall
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and seeing what stuck. And so I think this is
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where they landed in a movie like Dragon Slayer,
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where they didn't have much risk involved, but
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they had a lot of reward for it. Not that Dragon
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Slayer was massively successful, but, you know,
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there was so little for them to do, but they
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got some money for it, which allowed them to
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produce films later on. Yeah. OK, so what I I
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feel like such. teacher right now but you said
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something that great i i want to dig into a little
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bit you said dragon slayer's not a disney movie
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now i know like production wise yeah they didn't
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have much to do hands on but are you talking
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more like stylistically content wise that's a
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great question i would i would say all of the
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above i think definitely stylistically definitely
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even the story itself is pretty dark and grim
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it's it starts very dark it ends pretty dark
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there's very little humor in it and that wasn't
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really disney's mo at this time save for a couple
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years later when they produced the black cauldron
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which i would imagine was a little bit they may
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have like pulled some inspiration from dragon
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slayer into there although the black cauldron
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was you know a book many years before this but
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yeah i all of the above of of style content You
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know, there's some brief nudity in it that Disney
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would never have done at the time. A little dismemberment.
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A little dismemberment. A lot of violence. A
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surprising amount of violence, actually, in this
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movie. Yeah. Yeah. It's like what I think of
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when I think of 80s family adventure films where
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the reputation is it's going to be on the darker
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side, on the more violent side. This film is
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rated PG. It was before the PG -13 rating. came
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out but in hindsight this is a solid pg -13 sure
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and and you would have been hard -pressed to
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even know that disney had anything to do with
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this movie especially if you were living in the
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united states i think overseas the name was a
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little bit more prominent but here in the u .s
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you you would never have known that that disney
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had anything to do with this movie did you ever
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see this on the disney channel i didn't i do
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remember i feel like it was on every once in
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a while, like when you were sick and staying
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home from school. This was maybe one of those
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movies that was playing. And I think that was
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kind of my only venture into it when it was on
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TV, in which I remember very little of it. And
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I have to imagine they cut it down quite a bit
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from what you see in the actual theatrical release.
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They did, yeah. One thing I read was there were
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two scenes that they cut from the Disney Channel
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airings, the brief nudity scene. Sure. And, and
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I think the, maybe the dismemberment scene, which,
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you know, are the two things that make sense.
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Totally. Yeah. Not as I'm surprised they showed
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it on the Disney channel. If I'm honest, it kind
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of shocks me that they would even put it there.
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Unless, like I said, they were kind of hard up
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for content for a while there. And so I guess
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they were just like, got to put something on
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TV. Yeah. Sounds like it. The, the eighties were,
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I mean, first of all, Before I sound like I've
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known all this information forever, I learned
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so much doing my research for Dragon Slayer.
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My personal history with the movie is non -existent.
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It was recommended to me by a Patreon member
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of Camp Kaiju. Amazing. It was amazing. So I
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took that and I looked it up and I thought, wow,
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this looks like a hell of a movie. I want to
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watch it. Oh my gosh, it has a Disney connection.
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Let's make it a Magic and Monsters. So with that
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said, I only watched it recently after acquiring
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the DVD. Looks great. And there's like some commentary
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tracks and things like that. But the 80s, I was
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not alive in the 1980s. Not to age myself there,
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but I just missed it. But I grew up on a lot
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of 80s movies. And again, they're darker. There's
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a lot of fantasy movies like A NeverEnding Story.
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Sure. Like The Black Cauldron, but also what
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am I thinking of? The Dark Crystal. The Dark
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Crystal. Yes, absolutely. Excalibur. Conan the
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Barbarian. I'm reading a list now. Okay, great.
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I was like, wow, this is really good. I'm impressed.
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These are great. Not that good. But there was
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a big fantasy. interest in the 80s. It also had
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Clash of the Titans from the 80s. A Ray Harryhausen
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movie. Again, I think Star Wars had something
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to do with that in that you can do fantasy as
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a blockbuster. You can do fantasy now with all
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these special effects that we'll talk about with
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Dragon Slayer. Things like go motion and stop
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motion. The earliest, earliest, earliest computer
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effects. suddenly you could do these things so
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i think that's reflected in the the media yeah
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absolutely you can tell there's a lot of They're
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pushing some boundaries here, which gets really
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interesting the more I read about this movie
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and the fandom that it has from other artists
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who are now very prolific artists in the fantasy
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realm use this movie as a reference point, which
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is really great, which I'm sure we'll talk about
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later. I did grow up in the 80s, so this movie
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is actually literally Patrick years old. And
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so it is right up my alley. But also it sort
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of harkens back to, you know. It wasn't long
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after Dungeons and Dragons started becoming a
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huge hit at the time. And so in the 80s, you
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know, if you're a fan of Stranger Things, you
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know, you know that the 1980s, a lot of kids
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were finding their their their chosen family
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with with fantasy and Dungeons and Dragons. And
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this fits right in with that with that time frame.
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I've never been a huge into fantasy. Like I love
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sci fi, obviously, and horror and big monsters.
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Yeah, like fantasy itself. Whatever that means,
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I think we all kind of picture something when
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we think of fantasy, like castles and dragons.
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Sure. Wizards. Wizards, yeah. Never really did
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it for me as a source material, but now I'm all
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about the dragons. Yeah. I mean, you know, The
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Hobbit is considered fantasy as well, and so
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this is definitely a lot more along the lines
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of The Lord of the Rings, I would say, than it
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is The Dark Crystal or... princess bride or yeah
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princess bride or any of those movies it's definitely
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on the darker side of fantasy for sure yeah it
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was cool though i really like this movie yeah
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for sure i didn't expect to i'm not gonna lie
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to you yeah i i don't i mean not that i ever
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disliked the movie but there were parts where
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i was confused by the movie i have some notes
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i have some critiques for sure but as a whole
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it's a solid movie it's a solidly made movie
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for sure It's it's the hero's journey. It's easy
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to follow. The stakes are built in. Yeah. I just
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have some critiques maybe around certain character
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choices, tonal choices with the film. Agreed.
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Agreed. Yeah. Yeah. There's some quick pivots
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that happened. You're like, wait, why are what?
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Okay. Okay. I'll just I guess I'll go with it.
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Yeah. What other dragon movies are you a fan
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of? Well, you mentioned, I mean, it's not necessary,
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but I guess Falkor, right, is a dragon from The
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NeverEnding Story. And I think that that may
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be my favorite dragon that has ever been created.
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It's just such a wonderful work of art, Falkor.
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And that whole movie is just such great storytelling.
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You know, I have to throw in some Disney there.
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There's a really stupid character in Epcot named
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Figment, the dragon. And boy, is he crazy. And
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I love, I love, I love, I love the, and that's
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what's interesting. I think also when I say that
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this is very not a Disney movie, Disney historically
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has many dragons, very few of which are scary
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dragons. There is one, Maleficent's dragon is
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probably the scariest dragon that Disney created.
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But the rest of them are, you know, the reluctant
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dragon or... The figment, the dragon. There's
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not a ton, I guess. I shouldn't say a ton of
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dragons. But the ones that they did create. Pete's
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dragon. Stay tuned, everyone. Later on, there
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may be another episode coming up with dragons.
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Tend to be more family -friendly and whimsical.
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And that's just sort of the Disney vibe. They
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took the dragon theme and flipped it on its head
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and made it a Disney thing. And so I don't think
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that they would ever... Make another scary dragon
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save for Maleficent dragon. I think that's the
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one kind of homage to scary dragons and the rest
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are are for kids. I wonder and I I didn't I my
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hunch is Disney does not own the distribution
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rights of this film still perhaps in North America
00:27:03.630 --> 00:27:06.309
at least. That's a good question. I don't think
00:27:06.309 --> 00:27:09.190
it's on Disney Plus. No, you can't find it there.
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I feel like it would be. When I put in my Blu
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:16.759
-ray, Paramount's logo came up front and center.
00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:20.440
Yeah. Did not see Disney's logo anywhere. So
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maybe I just answered my own question. Yeah,
00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:27.539
there's definitely little to no reference in
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Disney history about Dragon Slayer. Even the
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name alone, right? Dragon Slayer is a little
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grotesque for a Disney distributed film in the
00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:39.119
United States anyways. Yeah, I had to purchase
00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:41.400
it. I went on Apple. Plus and purchased it there.
00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:45.900
So it's not readily found, unfortunately. Right.
00:27:45.940 --> 00:27:49.299
I agree. I saw it by happenstance in a store
00:27:49.299 --> 00:27:54.660
and I went. Oh, nice. There it is. The myth.
00:27:56.960 --> 00:28:03.519
The magic. The mystery. The majesty. Destroy
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Argos! Let loose the last of the titans. Metro
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-Goldwyn -Mayer presents Clash of the Titans.
00:28:16.220 --> 00:28:24.380
The good. The evil. The danger. The daring. How
00:28:24.380 --> 00:28:33.160
may a mortal man face and beat the Kraken? Clash
00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:39.339
of the Titans. The combat. The courage. The splendor.
00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:51.940
The Spectacle. Clash of the Titans. Starring
00:28:51.940 --> 00:28:55.980
Harry Hamlin as Perseus. Judy Bowker as Andromeda.
00:28:56.180 --> 00:29:01.039
Burgess Meredith. Maggie Smith. Ursula Andress.
00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:08.180
Claire Bloom. Sean Phillips. Flora Robeson. And
00:29:08.180 --> 00:29:13.480
Florence Olivier. as Zeus. Before history, beyond
00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:21.119
imagination. Clash of the Titans. But that's
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:36.660
impossible! You will enter a world Where a young
00:29:36.660 --> 00:29:41.539
boy's imagination becomes a vivid reality. The
00:29:41.539 --> 00:29:46.420
world of Atreyu and Artax. The Rockbiter. And
00:29:46.420 --> 00:29:51.160
a good and kind gnome. A world that is vast and
00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:58.819
eternal. Treacherous. And dazzling. Unforgettable.
00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:04.019
And free. For anyone who's ever made a wish.
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believed in a fantasy or had a dream this is
00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:19.140
the never -ending story the star wars saga continues
00:30:19.140 --> 00:30:22.920
with a special limited engagement of the empire
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strikes back starting november 19th Strikes Back.
00:31:54.859 --> 00:32:02.039
Returning to your galaxy November 19th. Okay.
00:32:02.259 --> 00:32:04.480
The select cast of this film. Now, it's actually
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:08.980
for an epic fantasy film. The cast, the ensemble,
00:32:09.059 --> 00:32:12.539
I would say, is on the smaller side. But it's
00:32:12.539 --> 00:32:14.940
all rounded out by lots of British character
00:32:14.940 --> 00:32:18.819
actors, Shakespearean actors. Yeah. Ian McDiarmid
00:32:18.819 --> 00:32:21.619
is in this movie. He plays Emperor Palpatine.
00:32:22.059 --> 00:32:24.640
later on goes on to play the emperor in return
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:28.180
of the jedi but he's in a small role like i didn't
00:32:28.180 --> 00:32:31.920
even recognize him yeah but who you might recognize
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:37.880
is peter mcnichol he plays galen our young sorcerer
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:43.400
galen galen galen i think galen great great galen's
00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:48.119
do the d here maybe that's why clearly galen
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i'm sticking with it Galen is the young sorcerer's
00:32:52.579 --> 00:32:56.359
apprentice and hero of the film. Now, this was
00:32:56.359 --> 00:33:00.380
McNichol's feature film debut. I did not recognize
00:33:00.380 --> 00:33:02.460
him at first because he is young, but he would
00:33:02.460 --> 00:33:06.539
go on to play Janos, the antagonist in Ghostbusters
00:33:06.539 --> 00:33:11.460
2. And that's when I went, oh, I know him. Yes.
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:15.940
Like 10 years after Dragon Slayer. But other
00:33:15.940 --> 00:33:18.240
well -known roles, he was in Sophie's Choice,
00:33:18.460 --> 00:33:21.240
he was in Adam's Family Values, Dracula, Dead
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:24.220
and Loving It, and he won an Emmy Award for his
00:33:24.220 --> 00:33:27.599
time on Ally McBeal. Oh, yeah. I forgot he was
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:36.079
on that show. You know more than me. Opposite
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:41.559
him is Caitlin Clarke, who plays a woman named
00:33:41.559 --> 00:33:44.490
Valerian. She's the daughter of a blacksmith,
00:33:44.650 --> 00:33:47.170
and she leads the search for the sorcerer who
00:33:47.170 --> 00:33:50.390
can slay the dragon. Valerian disguises herself
00:33:50.390 --> 00:33:52.970
as a male and has been doing so her whole life
00:33:52.970 --> 00:33:56.869
to avoid the kingdom's sacrifice of virgin women
00:33:56.869 --> 00:34:02.569
to the dragon. Quick plot point here. The dragon,
00:34:02.750 --> 00:34:09.250
named Vermithrax, would lay waste to the countryside
00:34:09.250 --> 00:34:13.829
twice a year. if not for the kingdom's offering
00:34:13.829 --> 00:34:18.849
of a virgin woman to the dragon what do you think
00:34:18.849 --> 00:34:26.949
about that i mean problematic but so many questions
00:34:26.949 --> 00:34:29.369
it's just such an easy plot point that's where
00:34:29.369 --> 00:34:32.590
i was like okay i mean like not only does it
00:34:32.590 --> 00:34:34.429
have to be a woman but a virgin woman of course
00:34:34.429 --> 00:34:37.690
i mean it's very like of its time very stolen
00:34:37.690 --> 00:34:40.369
from you know tales all this time this is what
00:34:40.699 --> 00:34:42.739
you know men were writing all the time of like
00:34:42.739 --> 00:34:46.380
fantasizing virgin women as a sacrifice it's
00:34:46.380 --> 00:34:48.920
it's it's not great it's not my favorite but
00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:55.780
it makes me think of hocus pocus yeah yeah for
00:34:55.780 --> 00:34:59.239
sure yep it has to be a virgin right which is
00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:03.039
i love that movie but that and yabbo still make
00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:08.510
me cringe a little bit oh stupid So easy. It's
00:35:08.510 --> 00:35:11.809
just like, okay, just try for one more minute
00:35:11.809 --> 00:35:13.150
and you could have thought of something better.
00:35:15.170 --> 00:35:18.349
Absolutely. Make it be the children or something,
00:35:18.429 --> 00:35:20.190
you know, like something a little grimmer or
00:35:20.190 --> 00:35:28.449
darker. I don't know. Yep. Yep. Yep. Well, Caitlin
00:35:28.449 --> 00:35:32.050
Clark, though, for her part. I think plays a
00:35:32.050 --> 00:35:34.349
really good or gives a really good performance.
00:35:34.809 --> 00:35:38.389
She went on to a lot of success on Broadway in
00:35:38.389 --> 00:35:42.269
the 80s and 90s. But sadly, she passed away too
00:35:42.269 --> 00:35:46.110
young in the year 2000 of ovarian cancer. Indeed.
00:35:46.289 --> 00:35:50.769
That was sad to read. Yeah. I really liked her.
00:35:51.130 --> 00:35:54.269
Yeah, she was great. She was a definite. I had
00:35:54.269 --> 00:35:56.150
never seen her in anything else, but she was
00:35:56.150 --> 00:35:59.440
a definite. presence in the movie for sure you
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:01.579
were you were rooting for her she didn't have
00:36:01.579 --> 00:36:04.519
great lines to say because some of them made
00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:06.980
me laugh quite a few times i was like whoa that's
00:36:06.980 --> 00:36:10.119
an awkward line to say but she performed it really
00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:13.519
well i agree and there was some commentary online
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:17.159
that i happen to agree with where her character
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:21.579
was more interesting had more to do had more
00:36:21.579 --> 00:36:26.320
drive and and whatnot when she was disguised
00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:29.719
as a male in the beginning of the movie. Yeah,
00:36:29.739 --> 00:36:32.639
and I felt it even watching it. Once she made
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:37.239
the switch to traditional female damsel in distress,
00:36:37.699 --> 00:36:40.880
I was kind of let down by that because then she
00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:43.380
had some lines that didn't really do anything.
00:36:43.500 --> 00:36:45.860
You could almost tell that she herself as an
00:36:45.860 --> 00:36:48.539
actress was like, really? Because they put her
00:36:48.539 --> 00:36:51.539
in full makeup suddenly and long, beautiful hair
00:36:51.539 --> 00:36:54.400
and it was... quite the juxtaposition of the
00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:57.739
male she had been playing for her whole life,
00:36:57.780 --> 00:37:00.280
ostensibly, right? Her whole life! And so suddenly
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:03.239
she's like this feminine woman, and it's like,
00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:06.460
I don't know if that's how that would have happened,
00:37:06.539 --> 00:37:10.320
but okay, I guess. Absolutely. I think to play
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:14.579
this with the given circumstances, she would
00:37:14.579 --> 00:37:17.420
have been much more comfortable, if not in male
00:37:17.420 --> 00:37:21.449
clothing. More tomboy energy, more masculine
00:37:21.449 --> 00:37:24.329
energy. Yeah. Yeah. They could have at least
00:37:24.329 --> 00:37:26.469
given her like a Bob haircut or something. Like,
00:37:26.469 --> 00:37:28.730
why would she have this long flowing hair? I
00:37:28.730 --> 00:37:31.289
don't think she did, though. It was, oh, I guess
00:37:31.289 --> 00:37:33.590
it was just like very combed out. Like, it was
00:37:33.590 --> 00:37:37.329
clearly like, oh, she went to beauty school the
00:37:37.329 --> 00:37:44.150
next day. Last thing I'll say is about her makeup,
00:37:44.190 --> 00:37:48.630
where, again, I think. You're living in a really...
00:37:48.630 --> 00:37:55.949
The village in which you live is the butthole
00:37:55.949 --> 00:37:58.769
of the world. There's so much mud and dirt and
00:37:58.769 --> 00:38:01.610
filth. You're the daughter of a blacksmith. Yeah.
00:38:01.710 --> 00:38:04.510
Where do you get this makeup? Where did the blue
00:38:04.510 --> 00:38:11.429
eyeshadow come from, man? Yep. I have questions.
00:38:12.030 --> 00:38:16.599
Yep. But she's a woman by God, so she's got to
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:18.820
be pretty. They were going to let us know for
00:38:18.820 --> 00:38:21.880
sure. Pretty in the traditional conventional
00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:25.619
sense. That's right. That's right. A couple other
00:38:25.619 --> 00:38:28.500
actors I want to mention. Ralph Richardson. He's
00:38:28.500 --> 00:38:32.679
like the he is the sorcerer of the movie. And
00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:36.099
he's a little wily, like super powerful, but
00:38:36.099 --> 00:38:38.139
he's definitely got a glint in his eye. You never
00:38:38.139 --> 00:38:40.980
know what he's going to do next. Maybe kill himself
00:38:40.980 --> 00:38:42.920
and come back as some green flames in a lake.
00:38:43.340 --> 00:38:46.019
You don't know. Who can say? But Ralph Richardson,
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:48.699
the actor, was a renowned British actor of the
00:38:48.699 --> 00:38:52.119
stage and screen. Think John Gielgud, Laurence
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:56.300
Olivier, top tier Shakespearean British actor.
00:38:56.900 --> 00:38:59.440
He had some really prominent roles in movies
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:02.840
in things like Things to Come from the 1930s,
00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:06.340
a movie called The Heiress. A movie you may know,
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:09.420
Long Day's Journey Into Night. Dr. Zhivago, he
00:39:09.420 --> 00:39:12.300
was twice nominated for an Oscar for Best Supporting
00:39:12.300 --> 00:39:15.940
Actor for The Heiress. And his final film, 1984's
00:39:15.940 --> 00:39:20.019
Greystroke, The Legend of Tarzan, Lord of the
00:39:20.019 --> 00:39:25.559
Apes. Wow. And then I will highlight John Hallam,
00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:29.079
who plays Tyrion, like the king's top general,
00:39:29.380 --> 00:39:33.460
the Black Knight. This guy looks like bad news.
00:39:34.190 --> 00:39:37.730
And he plays the villainous foil to Galen. Again,
00:39:37.789 --> 00:39:41.010
his name is Tyrion in the movie. Which is interesting.
00:39:41.090 --> 00:39:44.429
I wonder, and I'm sure it's in the notes somewhere,
00:39:44.610 --> 00:39:47.829
that the Game of Thrones took some inspiration
00:39:47.829 --> 00:39:52.050
from Dragon Slayer. And so I wonder if he took
00:39:52.050 --> 00:39:55.110
this name, Tyrion, it's a great name, and named
00:39:55.110 --> 00:39:57.869
one of his more famous characters after this
00:39:57.869 --> 00:40:03.889
character. Well, I will yes and you with... caitlin
00:40:03.889 --> 00:40:08.030
clark's character named valerian oh sure yeah
00:40:08.030 --> 00:40:11.449
yeah i didn't even think about that amazing amazing
00:40:11.449 --> 00:40:15.690
have you watched game of thrones yes yeah me
00:40:15.690 --> 00:40:19.650
too yeah yeah there's definitely as as i was
00:40:19.650 --> 00:40:22.400
watching i was like There has to be because even
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:24.519
though the I'm sure sorry, maybe I'm getting
00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:26.679
ahead of myself. But even the way the dragons
00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:30.199
were designed in Game of Thrones was very much
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:32.519
like the dragon in this movie. Like, I mean,
00:40:32.539 --> 00:40:33.960
you know, there's only so many ways you can draw
00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:37.079
a dragon. But it was it was a pretty clear inspiration.
00:40:37.579 --> 00:40:40.599
Just the way that it moved sort of like a lizard
00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:43.860
and a spider kind of you know, I mean, it was
00:40:43.860 --> 00:40:47.400
a creepy dragon. I completely agree. But yet
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:49.699
beautiful at the same time. So it was it was
00:40:49.699 --> 00:40:53.369
cool. I love the dragon in this movie, as we'll
00:40:53.369 --> 00:40:56.429
talk about after we get through some other things.
00:40:56.449 --> 00:41:00.530
The cultural influence and George R .R. Martin's
00:41:00.530 --> 00:41:03.570
taking inspiration and some other folks. Yeah.
00:41:03.769 --> 00:41:06.889
Yeah. Game of Thrones is one of the few TV shows.
00:41:06.969 --> 00:41:09.130
I'm not a big TV guy, but it's one of the few
00:41:09.130 --> 00:41:12.289
that I've watched from beginning to end. Okay.
00:41:12.329 --> 00:41:15.090
And very much in the fantasy realm as well. Exactly.
00:41:15.610 --> 00:41:19.739
So it's an exception. Yeah. To my general tastes.
00:41:20.059 --> 00:41:22.960
Yeah, absolutely. And rightfully so. It's a wonderful
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:26.820
TV show. It was a good time. I'm glad I stuck
00:41:26.820 --> 00:41:29.340
with it. Water cooler, perhaps the last water
00:41:29.340 --> 00:41:32.860
cooler. Cultural, everyone's talking about it.
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:35.860
Well, that's not true. Stranger Things was like
00:41:35.860 --> 00:41:39.639
that. Yeah, for sure. But Game of Thrones had
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:41.300
watch parties and things. You know what I mean?
00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:43.239
I remember going to my cousin's house and we
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:45.619
would all watch it every week to see what happens.
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:48.119
But, I mean, I'm sure people did it with Stranger
00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:49.800
Things as well and other shows. Maybe they did
00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:53.780
it with Ally McBeal as well. Who knows? Nobody
00:41:53.780 --> 00:42:00.659
invited me. Next time. Let's dig into, so the
00:42:00.659 --> 00:42:04.219
movie was directed and written by the same gentleman,
00:42:04.380 --> 00:42:07.219
which doesn't happen super often in movies, by
00:42:07.219 --> 00:42:09.820
Matthew Robbins, well -known screenwriter and
00:42:09.820 --> 00:42:14.230
part -time director. Was this his first? directorial
00:42:14.230 --> 00:42:17.889
debut for this movie? Crazy. So writing credits
00:42:17.889 --> 00:42:20.909
would include Spielberg films The Sugarland Express,
00:42:21.250 --> 00:42:23.929
Jaws, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, E .T.
00:42:24.090 --> 00:42:28.730
He's also written for Guillermo del Toro. I never
00:42:28.730 --> 00:42:31.010
pronounce his name. Guillermo del Toro films,
00:42:31.230 --> 00:42:34.829
both Mimic and Pinocchio. Also an uncredited
00:42:34.829 --> 00:42:37.389
writer for Disney's The Haunted Mansion. So a
00:42:37.389 --> 00:42:39.389
little Disney connection there as well. I mean,
00:42:39.409 --> 00:42:43.360
these are great films that... standout films
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:46.800
which it sort of surprises me that this is written
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:50.199
by him because the script the storyline is great
00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:52.460
the script itself is not necessarily wonderful
00:42:52.460 --> 00:42:55.000
i would say like the dialogue in the movie is
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:58.440
what i took umbrage with i guess yeah i won't
00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:01.099
argue with that i feel like compared to those
00:43:01.099 --> 00:43:06.420
other movies see i'm thinking about dragon slayer's
00:43:06.420 --> 00:43:11.260
story to me is Again, it's the hero's journey.
00:43:11.380 --> 00:43:16.139
It has pre -prescribed beats and elements and
00:43:16.139 --> 00:43:20.559
characters, archetypes. And I think so does some
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:23.219
of those other films. Like Spielberg loves working
00:43:23.219 --> 00:43:28.840
in this realm too. Yeah. Jaws, E .T., etc. Yeah.
00:43:29.179 --> 00:43:33.440
And yet Matthew Robbins as a director, like his
00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:37.599
directing work on Dragon Slayer, I think is solid.
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:41.260
Mm -hmm. But maybe with someone like Spielberg,
00:43:41.500 --> 00:43:46.539
Dragon Slayer could have been a bit more magical.
00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:50.139
Sure. In a sense. Sure. It could have had more
00:43:50.139 --> 00:43:52.960
heart, too, I feel like, if that makes sense.
00:43:53.260 --> 00:43:55.659
When I think of a Spielberg film like the ones
00:43:55.659 --> 00:43:57.940
that he wrote for him, they're all about heart,
00:43:58.059 --> 00:43:59.800
right? Like that's sort of the leading central
00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:02.699
thing. You really want to believe in the characters
00:44:02.699 --> 00:44:04.639
and you want to believe that they can and should
00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:07.539
win. Whereas in Dragon Slayer, I don't know.
00:44:08.219 --> 00:44:10.699
That that was necessarily as successful. I didn't
00:44:10.699 --> 00:44:13.440
love Galen as a character necessarily. He was
00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:15.360
a little too like, I don't, I don't know if I
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:17.199
want you to win. You're kind of a jerk right
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:22.599
now. Yeah, that was a, that was a, I think that
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:26.340
was a choice with all these characters that I
00:44:26.340 --> 00:44:29.500
had to wrestle with a little bit. Yeah. The fact
00:44:29.500 --> 00:44:32.780
that they all, and I think Matthew Robbins has
00:44:32.780 --> 00:44:35.320
been on record saying this or somebody has involved
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:38.429
with the production. the characters all have
00:44:38.429 --> 00:44:44.469
a reason to be right. Even Tyrion, the ostensible
00:44:44.469 --> 00:44:48.070
bad guy, he's just looking out for the kingdom
00:44:48.070 --> 00:44:52.590
because the fact is, yes, they've sacrificed
00:44:52.590 --> 00:44:57.750
a woman twice a year, but it does save the kingdom
00:44:57.750 --> 00:45:02.929
from thousands of deaths and famine. So from
00:45:02.929 --> 00:45:05.920
Tyrion's point of view, hey, the system's flawed,
00:45:06.019 --> 00:45:09.739
but it works. Young Galen, why are you coming
00:45:09.739 --> 00:45:13.059
in here into our kingdom and just messing things
00:45:13.059 --> 00:45:16.059
up? Right, right. Nobody asked your opinion.
00:45:16.380 --> 00:45:21.320
Yeah, fair. Truly. Yeah. Yeah, that's a fair
00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:24.519
point. There's a fair point. The king maybe is
00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:28.199
the one guy who's a little nefarious in, are
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:30.440
you doing this for the right reason? Or are you
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:35.059
just being lazy instead? But I think that is
00:45:35.059 --> 00:45:38.559
a complexity to the script for what it's worth,
00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:40.860
that everyone does have a really sympathetic
00:45:40.860 --> 00:45:46.320
motivation. And yet what I found difficult to
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:51.079
reconcile was that everybody is sympathetic.
00:45:51.719 --> 00:46:00.340
So the stakes or the motivations, whatever ostensible
00:46:00.340 --> 00:46:04.829
tension there was, Felt a little forced to me.
00:46:05.090 --> 00:46:08.829
Yeah. Yeah. I would agree with that. I would
00:46:08.829 --> 00:46:14.429
agree. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah. Huh. Maybe
00:46:14.429 --> 00:46:19.369
someone, maybe a little more, I don't know, clinical.
00:46:19.510 --> 00:46:23.250
No, no, no, not clinical. Someone like a Spielberg
00:46:23.250 --> 00:46:26.610
who maybe has a more innate sense of how to,
00:46:26.630 --> 00:46:29.409
how to pull out those elements and make it all
00:46:29.409 --> 00:46:33.239
gel a little bit. Could pull it off in a way
00:46:33.239 --> 00:46:35.400
that I think Robin slightly missed the mark on.
00:46:35.820 --> 00:46:38.500
Yeah, I didn't I didn't quite empathize with
00:46:38.500 --> 00:46:40.840
any of the characters or nor did they necessarily
00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:43.719
have great empathy for each other. And so I think
00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:46.480
that's what sort of was the disconnect of who's
00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:51.039
the real hero in this movie. Yeah. Even the dragon.
00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:55.579
Yeah. It has little baby dragons. Yeah. That
00:46:55.579 --> 00:46:57.900
get butchered and you just feel bad for the dragon.
00:46:58.079 --> 00:46:59.699
A hundred percent. I was going to bring that
00:46:59.699 --> 00:47:02.809
up, too, of like, wait, am I? Is the dragon the
00:47:02.809 --> 00:47:04.670
good guy? Like, the dragon's just being a dragon.
00:47:07.389 --> 00:47:09.909
She's just sort of, I imagine she, because she
00:47:09.909 --> 00:47:11.909
had the baby dragons, is just sort of living
00:47:11.909 --> 00:47:14.530
her life. And this is what dragons do. And so
00:47:14.530 --> 00:47:17.230
the villagers are the ones who are attacking
00:47:17.230 --> 00:47:23.250
it. I don't know. Yeah. So, I don't know. Is
00:47:23.250 --> 00:47:24.909
it a strength or a weakness, everything we're
00:47:24.909 --> 00:47:28.030
talking about? I don't know. Remains to be seen.
00:47:28.329 --> 00:47:32.070
It was also, like, very... experimental for sure
00:47:32.070 --> 00:47:34.849
in in filmmaking like and i have to give it that
00:47:34.849 --> 00:47:37.909
grace as well but not to say that it was like
00:47:37.909 --> 00:47:40.630
amateurish experimental but they were definitely
00:47:40.630 --> 00:47:44.710
like it was definitely a crew of people on that
00:47:44.710 --> 00:47:47.050
side of it anyways like a director and well he
00:47:47.050 --> 00:47:49.849
was wrote at android so that one person was just
00:47:49.849 --> 00:47:52.929
sort of you know cutting his teeth on a movie
00:47:52.929 --> 00:47:55.010
like this and it was a big movie you know yeah
00:47:55.010 --> 00:47:58.010
so yeah so yeah you're right first time director
00:48:00.409 --> 00:48:03.630
See, that makes sense to me now. We got there.
00:48:03.750 --> 00:48:07.929
We found it. So we also, this is a really cool
00:48:07.929 --> 00:48:11.869
tidbit. The cinematographer, Derek Vanlund, also
00:48:11.869 --> 00:48:15.929
shot Alien, which you could definitely see, especially
00:48:15.929 --> 00:48:18.570
the bits with the dragon, the sort of suspense
00:48:18.570 --> 00:48:21.329
building up to when are we going to see the dragon?
00:48:21.750 --> 00:48:23.889
Are we going to see all of the dragon? Just a
00:48:23.889 --> 00:48:26.469
piece of the dragon? Like it was very suspenseful
00:48:26.469 --> 00:48:29.710
in that way. he knows how to shoot creatures
00:48:29.710 --> 00:48:34.190
for sure. Yeah. Darkness. Yeah. And smoke. Yeah.
00:48:34.309 --> 00:48:36.869
You can, you can start seeing the parallels with
00:48:36.869 --> 00:48:39.570
alien. Absolutely. The angles that in which you
00:48:39.570 --> 00:48:41.429
shoot. So it looks like the dragon's bigger than
00:48:41.429 --> 00:48:43.809
it is, or it's great. It's really cool. That's
00:48:43.809 --> 00:48:48.150
a good point. Oh my gosh. Yes. I mean, and I
00:48:48.150 --> 00:48:50.590
loved anytime the dragon was on screen, whatever
00:48:50.590 --> 00:48:54.690
critiques I have. And I did love how they kept
00:48:54.690 --> 00:48:58.179
the dragon partially hidden. Like, it didn't
00:48:58.179 --> 00:49:00.199
bother me, actually, because I was able to see
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:03.460
enough of the dragon. Yes. And I loved when the
00:49:03.460 --> 00:49:06.780
characters saw the dragon and we didn't. You
00:49:06.780 --> 00:49:09.960
could just, the way they looked up, right? Yeah.
00:49:10.019 --> 00:49:13.059
You could get a sense of the scale. Yeah. But
00:49:13.059 --> 00:49:14.539
the one shot I'm thinking about that makes me
00:49:14.539 --> 00:49:18.840
think about Alien is, it might be Galen in the
00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:23.619
cave, but he's on this rock in the water. And
00:49:23.619 --> 00:49:28.099
the dragon comes up behind him. Absolutely. As
00:49:28.099 --> 00:49:30.739
it just snakes higher and higher and higher.
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:33.679
Absolutely. Very alien -like. Very alien, very
00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:36.900
theatrical. And it's a trademark, and it's really
00:49:36.900 --> 00:49:38.739
cool. It's a really cool thing to see. Love it.
00:49:39.179 --> 00:49:42.639
Love that. The music, interestingly, done by
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:46.519
an incredible artist named Alex North, who you
00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:48.300
pulled this out, Vincent. Thanks for these notes.
00:49:48.460 --> 00:49:53.719
15 -time Academy Award nominee. Wild. Wild stuff.
00:49:54.380 --> 00:49:57.239
ended up receiving an honorary Oscar in 1986.
00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:01.880
Alex North did scores for the films A Streetcar
00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:04.599
Named Desire, Spartacus, I mean, epic films,
00:50:04.699 --> 00:50:07.699
Cleopatra, Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf, also
00:50:07.699 --> 00:50:13.300
wrote Unchained Melody, interestingly. So next
00:50:13.300 --> 00:50:17.420
time you hear the Righteous Brothers singing
00:50:17.420 --> 00:50:20.519
Unchained Melody, think about Dragon Slayer.
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:24.699
That's so wonderful. I love that. Never won,
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:27.239
though, an award. Is that correct? Other than
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:30.380
the honorary Oscar. Correct. That's incredible.
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:33.659
Wow. Interesting. Because some of those, I mean,
00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:35.880
Spartacus and A Streetcar Named Desire, these
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:39.059
are pretty sweeping, beautiful scores. So it
00:50:39.059 --> 00:50:41.639
surprises me. And of course, so we've been talking
00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:43.360
about this a little bit. We should talk about
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:46.420
special effects, which were indeed handled by
00:50:46.420 --> 00:50:49.840
ILM. So if we are referencing movies like Star
00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:53.579
Wars, this is why. Because the same special effects
00:50:53.579 --> 00:50:57.239
crew who would have done almost every classic
00:50:57.239 --> 00:50:59.980
special effects movie that you've ever seen was
00:50:59.980 --> 00:51:03.400
probably handled by ILM. Just an incredible company.
00:51:03.619 --> 00:51:07.480
If you haven't seen the Light and Magic special
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:11.389
that's on Disney +, run don't walk to see that
00:51:11.389 --> 00:51:14.130
special it's absolutely incredible and you will
00:51:14.130 --> 00:51:17.250
cry several times just for for pure nostalgia
00:51:17.250 --> 00:51:21.630
it's incredible yeah so go watch that okay do
00:51:21.630 --> 00:51:25.570
you have a favorite ilm like a special effect
00:51:25.570 --> 00:51:27.849
or movie that they've worked on take your pick
00:51:27.849 --> 00:51:30.929
i don't know i mean even jurassic park but that's
00:51:30.929 --> 00:51:36.690
such an easy answer um no i do love i mean we'll
00:51:36.690 --> 00:51:41.219
stay on the star star wars theme I do love the
00:51:41.219 --> 00:51:46.739
effects in Empire Strikes Back with the tauntauns.
00:51:47.260 --> 00:51:50.619
Yeah, on Hoth. Yeah, like the Hoth battle scene
00:51:50.619 --> 00:51:56.860
with the AT -ATs. There's a real, I think, movie
00:51:56.860 --> 00:51:59.960
magic to that film in particular, but any of
00:51:59.960 --> 00:52:03.619
those 80s effects -driven films that we're talking
00:52:03.619 --> 00:52:08.519
about, these fantasy movies, ILM or not. They
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:12.179
encapsulate movie magic so well. Yeah. Great
00:52:12.179 --> 00:52:15.880
point. Great point. And we have to then point
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:18.699
out that Phil Tippett was leading the animation
00:52:18.699 --> 00:52:22.719
department for this movie and also for many ILM
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:25.940
movies as well, I would imagine. Just a master
00:52:25.940 --> 00:52:29.179
of his craft. And I think if you are working
00:52:29.179 --> 00:52:33.059
in special effects today, you have learned from
00:52:33.059 --> 00:52:35.159
watching movies that Phil Tippett has worked
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:37.639
on. I mean, there's just no doubt about it. He
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:42.360
was working on Empire Strikes Back in 1978, I
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:44.820
think. Yeah. Like he was hired. That was his
00:52:44.820 --> 00:52:48.920
first job. And it led to Piranha. I just had
00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:51.179
to throw in there. It's so funny. I love that.
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:55.019
Not a big budget adventure film, but Piranha.
00:52:55.059 --> 00:52:57.099
Great effects, though. Those effects are pretty
00:52:57.099 --> 00:53:02.599
wild. Yeah. But yeah, you mentioned Jurassic
00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:04.239
Park. He also worked on Jurassic Park. I mean,
00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:07.980
like every RoboCop, Starship Trooper, every classic
00:53:07.980 --> 00:53:10.820
creature, amazing creature you've seen in the
00:53:10.820 --> 00:53:14.820
past 20 years definitely had something to do
00:53:14.820 --> 00:53:18.639
with Phil Tippett. Yeah, ILM, Phil Tippett. Incredible.
00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:22.440
Incredible. And so maybe this is in your notes.
00:53:22.619 --> 00:53:26.320
Did he invent GoMotion? Do we have him to thank
00:53:26.320 --> 00:53:28.909
for GoMotion special effects? I mean, he and
00:53:28.909 --> 00:53:32.050
his team, but he's generally considered the pioneer.
00:53:32.530 --> 00:53:36.590
Yeah. And GoMotion, new to me, not an expert,
00:53:36.690 --> 00:53:39.170
but I love doing my research. Yeah. I'm very
00:53:39.170 --> 00:53:42.190
familiar with stop motion. Right. Where you have
00:53:42.190 --> 00:53:47.090
a model and you shoot the camera, you shoot the
00:53:47.090 --> 00:53:50.030
film at the model, then you stop rolling, then
00:53:50.030 --> 00:53:53.449
you move the model a fraction of an inch and
00:53:53.449 --> 00:53:56.329
you resume shooting. So then you string it all
00:53:56.329 --> 00:53:58.650
together almost like a picture book. And it moves,
00:53:58.750 --> 00:54:01.690
creates the illusion of movement. Go motion,
00:54:01.869 --> 00:54:04.190
and I'm still not entirely sure how it works,
00:54:04.309 --> 00:54:08.630
is you're moving it during the exposure of the
00:54:08.630 --> 00:54:11.469
film. That's right. So in my primitive brain,
00:54:11.829 --> 00:54:16.369
the movie, the film is rolling, and then you
00:54:16.369 --> 00:54:18.909
move it. And I did read some examples of how,
00:54:19.090 --> 00:54:22.289
techniques of how the creators would move the
00:54:22.289 --> 00:54:26.780
model. Some of them would bump the table. and
00:54:26.780 --> 00:54:29.860
or some of them would rub vaseline on the lens
00:54:29.860 --> 00:54:33.059
which i guess that created the illusion of movement
00:54:33.059 --> 00:54:39.880
it's just a way to kind of take the edges off
00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:43.500
of the of the image and create this blur effect
00:54:43.500 --> 00:54:47.340
which you do see on so i can't explain it why
00:54:47.340 --> 00:54:49.320
don't y 'all just watch a movie with go motion
00:54:50.489 --> 00:54:52.710
And then you'll see it. No, truly. It's yeah,
00:54:52.849 --> 00:54:55.650
it's it's it smooths out the process of stop
00:54:55.650 --> 00:54:58.929
motion, which is what's before this was the only
00:54:58.929 --> 00:55:01.369
way to film like a claymation. Think about Rudolph,
00:55:01.469 --> 00:55:03.590
Shawnee New Year or Rudolph the Red -Nosed Reindeer,
00:55:03.670 --> 00:55:06.869
those classic animated era claymation stop motion
00:55:06.869 --> 00:55:09.909
TV specials that you that you remember watching
00:55:09.909 --> 00:55:12.650
from long ago. And then think of a movie like
00:55:12.650 --> 00:55:14.489
The Nightmare Before Christmas, which also uses
00:55:14.489 --> 00:55:17.389
a lot of stop motion, probably mostly stop motion,
00:55:17.469 --> 00:55:19.920
but uses quite a bit of go motion as well. To
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:22.400
smooth out some of those edges that are a little
00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:25.139
bit more... It makes it less staccato, I guess,
00:55:25.219 --> 00:55:28.380
if that makes sense. It does. Yep. Yep. Jurassic
00:55:28.380 --> 00:55:33.960
Park was going to be using GoMotion before CGI
00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:39.360
convinced Spielberg to go that way. Can you imagine?
00:55:39.699 --> 00:55:41.420
Man, what a different movie that would have been.
00:55:42.739 --> 00:55:46.320
Like, in a way, I can imagine that movie. Yeah.
00:55:46.659 --> 00:55:49.829
But also, I don't think it... It wouldn't be
00:55:49.829 --> 00:55:53.469
the same movie. And I don't think for like, I
00:55:53.469 --> 00:55:55.309
don't know. Yeah, it would be the same movie.
00:55:55.489 --> 00:55:57.289
Although some of the best shots in that movie
00:55:57.289 --> 00:56:02.289
are actual animatronic shots that are not CGI
00:56:02.289 --> 00:56:04.570
are some of the most successful shots in that
00:56:04.570 --> 00:56:08.889
movie. I would argue, but it had to use CGI for
00:56:08.889 --> 00:56:13.170
it to be a complete movie. Yes, but I will. I
00:56:13.170 --> 00:56:17.800
will say the dragon and dragon slayer. I do find
00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:21.400
the go -motion portrayal of the dragon to be
00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:25.639
more convincing than I expected. It's blended
00:56:25.639 --> 00:56:29.420
with animatronics and model work, which are really
00:56:29.420 --> 00:56:32.940
cool in those shots. But thinking about Dragon
00:56:32.940 --> 00:56:35.880
Slayer, you can almost picture how Jurassic Park
00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:39.840
would work with blending all the methods. They
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:41.639
could have figured it out for sure, but I'm glad
00:56:41.639 --> 00:56:47.809
they didn't. Me too. I am interested. I'm sure
00:56:47.809 --> 00:56:50.170
there is a version of quite a few shots from
00:56:50.170 --> 00:56:52.769
Jurassic Park that they tried go motion first
00:56:52.769 --> 00:56:54.489
for a lot of them. And I'm sure they're out there
00:56:54.489 --> 00:56:57.070
somewhere. I think they are, actually. That'd
00:56:57.070 --> 00:56:59.829
be cool to see. Yeah. Yeah. But Phil Tippett,
00:56:59.949 --> 00:57:03.030
I think he said, when Spielberg said, hey, Phil,
00:57:03.190 --> 00:57:06.230
we're going to go with CGI. All the work that
00:57:06.230 --> 00:57:08.670
he had been doing, all the pre -production. Yeah.
00:57:09.070 --> 00:57:11.710
Thanks, but no thanks. And Tippett did say something
00:57:11.710 --> 00:57:14.230
to the effect of, well, I've just gone extinct.
00:57:14.750 --> 00:57:18.789
Aw, that's a bummer. And he never worked again.
00:57:20.929 --> 00:57:24.230
Well, what are you going to do? He didn't work
00:57:24.230 --> 00:57:28.469
again. Yes. Many times over. Long, long ago,
00:57:28.590 --> 00:57:32.369
in a faraway land across the sea, there lived
00:57:32.369 --> 00:57:35.130
a little boy who considered himself quite an
00:57:35.130 --> 00:57:39.340
authority on brave, fearless knights. And their
00:57:39.340 --> 00:57:42.179
mortal enemies, those horrible fire -breathing
00:57:42.179 --> 00:57:44.639
dragons that daily terrorize the countryside.
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:48.880
One afternoon, as the boy sat deeply engrossed
00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:59.500
in his favorite subject... Good afternoon, Father.
00:57:59.780 --> 00:58:03.090
Oh, son, I've seen it. Up on the downs it was,
00:58:03.230 --> 00:58:06.230
all covered with scales and such, and a tail
00:58:06.230 --> 00:58:08.429
with a sort of a nook on it. Now, wait a minute.
00:58:09.110 --> 00:58:12.929
It's horrible. That's what it is. Horrible. It's
00:58:12.929 --> 00:58:18.050
only a dragon, Father. Oh, only a dragon? Oh,
00:58:18.250 --> 00:58:22.630
the village! Help! There's a dragon in the common!
00:58:23.170 --> 00:58:26.570
Help! Don't worry, Father. I'll have a look at
00:58:26.570 --> 00:58:31.400
him. And the reluctant dragon is no fire -breathing
00:58:31.400 --> 00:58:39.739
monster. Oh, dear. 1 ,000 years ago, there lived
00:58:39.739 --> 00:58:46.300
a man of honor and a creature of legend. He's
00:58:46.300 --> 00:58:50.400
the greatest dragon slayer there is. I personally
00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:52.840
have seen him slaying almost two dragons. I haven't
00:58:52.840 --> 00:58:55.179
had this sort of challenge in some time. Not
00:58:55.179 --> 00:59:00.630
likely to again. There! They were two sworn enemies.
00:59:01.070 --> 00:59:05.449
How do you like the ride so far? I will rid the
00:59:05.449 --> 00:59:08.110
world of every last one of you. I am the last
00:59:08.110 --> 00:59:11.849
one. If you win, you'll be out of work. Who formed
00:59:11.849 --> 00:59:15.550
an extraordinary alliance. I hope you like it
00:59:15.550 --> 00:59:18.429
well done. This knight is no dragon slayer. We
00:59:18.429 --> 00:59:21.989
made a bargain, remember? One dragon put down
00:59:21.989 --> 00:59:25.329
one bag of gold. Well done, boy. That's even
00:59:25.329 --> 00:59:27.530
bigger than the last one. Actually, he's about
00:59:27.530 --> 00:59:30.190
the same size. This time, I'll collect the money,
00:59:30.289 --> 00:59:33.969
and you can die. But when the forces of evil
00:59:33.969 --> 00:59:36.449
threaten the land... In your kingdom, I know
00:59:36.449 --> 00:59:39.630
there are worse fates than death. Father! ...they've
00:59:39.630 --> 00:59:42.369
found there is no honor... Men like you give
00:59:42.369 --> 00:59:45.170
people courage and hope. ...without risk. I wanted
00:59:45.170 --> 00:59:48.570
a life! friendship. For Iron to die, you must
00:59:48.570 --> 00:59:52.389
destroy me without sacrifice. I go to save the
00:59:52.389 --> 01:00:01.289
dragon. Who will go with me? Universal Pictures
01:00:01.289 --> 01:00:05.289
presents a motion picture that will make you
01:00:18.159 --> 01:00:20.860
Vikings have always fought dragons. Look at that
01:00:20.860 --> 01:00:23.659
thing. It's the size of my... Get it off! But
01:00:23.659 --> 01:00:29.800
he has another idea. Nice dragon. Okay. On March
01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:32.619
26th... I've decided I don't want to fight dragons.
01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:36.699
You really had me going there, son. Their world...
01:00:36.699 --> 01:00:38.739
What are you going to do? Something stupid. ...will
01:00:38.739 --> 01:00:42.340
never be the same. You're crazy. I like that.
01:00:42.619 --> 01:00:45.139
DreamWorks How to Train Your Dragon in 3D. Ready
01:00:45.139 --> 01:00:48.079
PG. March 26th. What we're going to do, listeners,
01:00:48.179 --> 01:00:49.960
we're going to go through this plot breakdown,
01:00:50.099 --> 01:00:54.739
plot synopsis. We are going to lend our witty
01:00:54.739 --> 01:01:00.079
charm to this, our snide remarks, our wry commentary.
01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:05.480
Orland, a kingdom, is being terrorized by Vermithrax
01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:10.039
Pejorative, a 400 -year -old dragon, to appease
01:01:10.039 --> 01:01:14.639
Vermithrax. King Cassiodorus offers his virgin
01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:18.280
girls. That's not right. To appease Varabathrax,
01:01:18.420 --> 01:01:21.920
King Cassiodorus offers virgin girls selected
01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:25.519
by lottery twice a year. An expedition led by
01:01:25.519 --> 01:01:28.280
Valerian, a young man, seeks help from the last
01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:33.739
sorcerer, Ulric of Cragenmoor. We'll go paragraph
01:01:33.739 --> 01:01:35.980
by paragraph. That's great. Did you clock, by
01:01:35.980 --> 01:01:38.880
the way, that Valerian was a male? Was a female
01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:41.320
right away, or did it take you a second? No,
01:01:41.360 --> 01:01:44.880
100 % female. Yeah, okay. I was like, that's
01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:48.179
a woman. For sure. Absolutely. She was probably
01:01:48.179 --> 01:01:52.539
maybe even wearing makeup as the male character.
01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:55.699
Sure. Yeah. Yeah. For a second, I was like, this
01:01:55.699 --> 01:01:57.920
is a very progressive movie in that like that.
01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:00.079
That's a woman knight right there. You know?
01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:03.980
Well, I think that that is a strength of the
01:02:03.980 --> 01:02:09.260
film. This kind of gender bending as plot device
01:02:09.260 --> 01:02:11.519
as it is. I don't think the movie is like making
01:02:11.519 --> 01:02:16.380
a commentary on. No. Gender, you know, non -binariness
01:02:16.380 --> 01:02:21.980
in the film. Right. For sure. For sure. So Tyrion,
01:02:22.059 --> 01:02:25.079
the captain of Cassiodorus's royal guard, and
01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:28.260
his lieutenant, Gerbil. Gerbil? Was that the
01:02:28.260 --> 01:02:31.079
lieutenant, Gerbil? That's an interesting name.
01:02:31.179 --> 01:02:33.719
I didn't realize that was their name. Sorry.
01:02:33.860 --> 01:02:36.380
And his lieutenant, Gerbil, intimidate Ulrich.
01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:39.320
Doubtful of his abilities, Ulric invites Tyrion
01:02:39.320 --> 01:02:42.739
to stab him to prove his magical powers. Tyrion
01:02:42.739 --> 01:02:46.500
complies, and Ulric dies. Nice rhyme there. Ulric's
01:02:46.500 --> 01:02:49.940
elderly servant, Hodge, cremates the wizard's
01:02:49.940 --> 01:02:52.340
body and places the ashes in a leather pouch,
01:02:52.539 --> 01:02:56.619
as one is supposed to do. Ulric's young apprentice,
01:02:56.980 --> 01:03:00.960
Galen Bradwarden, is selected by the wizard's
01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:04.139
magical amulet as its next owner. Encouraged,
01:03:04.139 --> 01:03:07.329
he journeys to Orland. En route, he discovers
01:03:07.329 --> 01:03:09.989
that Valerian is a young woman disguised to avoid
01:03:09.989 --> 01:03:13.010
being selected in the lottery. To discourage
01:03:13.010 --> 01:03:17.130
the expedition, Tyrion shows up and kills Hodge.
01:03:17.550 --> 01:03:21.090
Before dying, Hodge hands Galen Ulrich's ashes
01:03:21.090 --> 01:03:23.469
and reveals that the wizard wanted them spread
01:03:23.469 --> 01:03:28.289
over a lake of burning water. Dun dun dun. I
01:03:28.289 --> 01:03:30.150
don't feel like Hodge needed to die. It was a
01:03:30.150 --> 01:03:33.030
weird, like, why? Why are you killing Hodge?
01:03:34.190 --> 01:03:38.190
Because Tyrion's the bad guy. I guess, but as
01:03:38.190 --> 01:03:41.130
we said before. Capital B, capital G. He's got
01:03:41.130 --> 01:03:43.449
to kill some people. He's got to just, yeah.
01:03:43.630 --> 01:03:47.210
Even though he's kind of sympathetic. So in Erland,
01:03:47.409 --> 01:03:51.849
Galen inspects, I can never say this dragon's
01:03:51.849 --> 01:03:55.369
name, Vermithrax's lair and magically seals its
01:03:55.369 --> 01:03:58.010
entrance with a rock slide. Tyrion apprehends
01:03:58.010 --> 01:04:00.809
Galen and takes him to the castle Morgenthorn.
01:04:07.620 --> 01:04:10.639
where Cassiodorus disputes that Galen is a real
01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:12.699
wizard. The king also complains that Galen's
01:04:12.699 --> 01:04:15.320
attack may have angered Vermithrax instead of
01:04:15.320 --> 01:04:18.320
killing it. Cassiodorus confiscates the amulet
01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:21.400
and imprisons Galen. His daughter, Princess Elspeth,
01:04:21.519 --> 01:04:24.780
visits Galen. who mentions rumors that the lottery
01:04:24.780 --> 01:04:29.619
is rigged, it excludes her name. Not exudes it,
01:04:29.639 --> 01:04:32.260
the opposite. It excludes her name. Exudes her
01:04:32.260 --> 01:04:36.639
name. Right. And those others whose families
01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:39.840
are rich enough to bribe Cassiodorus into disqualifying
01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:42.619
their children. Cassiodorus cannot lie convincingly
01:04:42.619 --> 01:04:45.699
when she confronts him over this. He's basically
01:04:45.699 --> 01:04:48.260
just like, no, what are you talking about? We're
01:04:48.260 --> 01:04:55.820
fine. Look over there. It's pretty crazy. And
01:04:55.820 --> 01:04:58.780
we haven't talked about Princess Elspeth. We
01:04:58.780 --> 01:05:03.980
haven't. She is a rather forward -thinking young
01:05:03.980 --> 01:05:07.960
woman in this world. She stands up to her father.
01:05:08.079 --> 01:05:12.900
She rejects her privilege because her father
01:05:12.900 --> 01:05:15.159
had been rigging the lottery, so his daughter
01:05:15.159 --> 01:05:19.619
never appears in the pot. And when Elspeth learns
01:05:19.619 --> 01:05:23.949
of this, she's not having it. And in fact, between
01:05:23.949 --> 01:05:25.530
you and me, I think she goes a little overboard.
01:05:25.809 --> 01:05:28.690
She turns every ticket in the pot into her name.
01:05:28.929 --> 01:05:32.389
She rigs it fully so that she is absolutely going
01:05:32.389 --> 01:05:34.670
to die by the dragon. She's just like, well,
01:05:34.789 --> 01:05:37.869
I guess I have to die now. It's like, I don't
01:05:37.869 --> 01:05:42.269
know if that's the answer. We're not saying,
01:05:42.650 --> 01:05:45.630
Elspeth, it has to be all or nothing here. Right.
01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:49.019
Nor is it your fault. You didn't do this. It's
01:05:49.019 --> 01:05:52.619
not your fault. Just one ticket, throw your name
01:05:52.619 --> 01:05:55.760
in there, and we're good. It's very Katniss Everdeen.
01:05:55.920 --> 01:05:59.739
It's very Hunger Games. She volunteers as tribute,
01:05:59.900 --> 01:06:04.559
and she goes into the fire. That's true. I fully
01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:07.860
expected her to survive, because like everyone
01:06:07.860 --> 01:06:14.019
else, we end up liking her. Her motives are noble.
01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:22.099
And the way she dies is horrendous. She is chewed
01:06:22.099 --> 01:06:26.480
up quite graphically by baby dragons. And then
01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:30.400
she loses a foot. Yeah. She's torn apart. Yeah.
01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:33.440
Torn apart. Yeah. It's pretty gross. It's pretty
01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:37.420
grim. Grim stuff. Grim stuff. I had an audible
01:06:37.420 --> 01:06:40.000
reaction when that happened. Same. I was like,
01:06:40.079 --> 01:06:44.280
whoa, this is a step a little too far for me.
01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:48.360
Well, Elspeth will no longer be stepping. No,
01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:51.239
she won't. Not with both feet, anyways. No, there
01:06:51.239 --> 01:06:54.639
goes her dancing career. Meanwhile, Vermithrax
01:06:54.639 --> 01:06:58.019
escapes its prison, causing an earthquake. Galen
01:06:58.019 --> 01:07:00.320
escapes from his prison, but without the amulet.
01:07:00.460 --> 01:07:05.920
The village priest, Brother... Jocopus... Yep.
01:07:06.019 --> 01:07:10.260
Okay. That's right. Jocopus leads his congregation
01:07:10.260 --> 01:07:13.480
to confront Vermithrax, denouncing it as the
01:07:13.480 --> 01:07:16.780
devil. Vermithrax incinerates him and then heads
01:07:16.780 --> 01:07:20.539
to the village of Swanscombe to burn everything
01:07:20.539 --> 01:07:27.360
in its path. Yeah, there's quite a bit of religious
01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:31.860
imagery and motif in this movie. Yeah, totally.
01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:38.019
When Brother Jacobus confronts the dragon, that
01:07:38.019 --> 01:07:42.150
man stands no chance. He is incinerated. Another
01:07:42.150 --> 01:07:46.969
really violent image where his face just blows
01:07:46.969 --> 01:07:51.030
up in flames. Very startling. Yeah. And it's
01:07:51.030 --> 01:07:54.409
a big F -you to this religious establishment
01:07:54.409 --> 01:07:59.230
in the community, I think, from Vermithrax, the
01:07:59.230 --> 01:08:02.949
devil. Yeah, apparently. Apparently. Okay, so
01:08:02.949 --> 01:08:06.469
as we kind of talked about, so the lottery begins
01:08:06.469 --> 01:08:09.849
anew to placate the dragon. Elspeth rigs the...
01:08:10.400 --> 01:08:13.480
the lottery so that only her name can be chosen.
01:08:14.239 --> 01:08:16.239
Desperate, Cassiodorus returns the amulet to
01:08:16.239 --> 01:08:19.180
Galen so that he might save Elspeth. Galen uses
01:08:19.180 --> 01:08:22.659
the amulet to enchant a spear forged by Valerian's
01:08:22.659 --> 01:08:26.880
father and dubbed Sicarius Dracorum. Very Harry
01:08:26.880 --> 01:08:30.810
Potter. Sicarius Dracorum. Or... With the ability
01:08:30.810 --> 01:08:33.789
to pierce Vermithrax's armored hide, Valerian
01:08:33.789 --> 01:08:37.409
gathers molten dragon scales to create a shield
01:08:37.409 --> 01:08:41.029
for Galen as well. Valerian laments that her
01:08:41.029 --> 01:08:43.529
disguise now blown, she will be eligible for
01:08:43.529 --> 01:08:45.850
the lottery since she is still a virgin. Galen
01:08:45.850 --> 01:08:48.050
admits that he has fallen in love with her, and
01:08:48.050 --> 01:08:52.149
the two share a kiss. Romantic. Maybe more than
01:08:52.149 --> 01:08:57.810
a kiss. Because she says something like, I'm
01:08:57.810 --> 01:09:01.000
still a virgin. And the subtext to me was very
01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:07.840
clear. Yeah. Unvirginate me. Right. Yeah. That's
01:09:07.840 --> 01:09:10.560
how the scene ends with them holding each other
01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:14.279
tenderly. It's like a very nice scene. But I'm
01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:17.260
like, I think something happened there. Potentially.
01:09:17.439 --> 01:09:21.079
Potentially. Yeah. It's only PG, so we can't
01:09:21.079 --> 01:09:24.760
go too far. No, but stakes are high in this world.
01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:30.600
They are. To rescue... Elspeth. Galen fights
01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:33.539
and kills Tyrion. Elspeth, however, wants to
01:09:33.539 --> 01:09:35.340
make amends for all the girls whose names have
01:09:35.340 --> 01:09:38.119
been chosen in the past. So she descends into
01:09:38.119 --> 01:09:41.619
Vermithrax's cave and dies. Well, not by choice.
01:09:41.699 --> 01:09:44.600
She goes into the cave and is killed by dragons.
01:09:44.920 --> 01:09:47.720
Yes. Galen follows her and finds young dragons
01:09:47.720 --> 01:09:51.220
feasting on her corpse. as we said. He slays
01:09:51.220 --> 01:09:53.520
them and goes on to find Vermithrax resting within
01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:56.439
an underground lake of fire. He wounds Vermithrax,
01:09:56.539 --> 01:09:58.520
but the spear's shaft is broken in the battle.
01:09:58.699 --> 01:10:01.800
Only Valerian's shield saves him from incineration.
01:10:03.359 --> 01:10:05.899
Baby dragons, by the way, they were given off
01:10:05.899 --> 01:10:09.260
big gremlin energy to me. Did you notice that?
01:10:09.619 --> 01:10:13.739
Gremlin energy? Yeah. The demon dog things in
01:10:13.739 --> 01:10:17.760
Ghostbusters? Oh, totally. Yeah. And even...
01:10:18.350 --> 01:10:21.829
those weird things in the princess bride in the
01:10:21.829 --> 01:10:24.590
what's it called i know what you're talking about
01:10:24.590 --> 01:10:26.649
but i can't i can't think of what they but yes
01:10:26.649 --> 01:10:31.670
not the lake of fire it's the the bog the yeah
01:10:31.670 --> 01:10:35.170
yeah yeah yeah so many listeners are yelling
01:10:35.170 --> 01:10:39.069
into it's out there right now yeah and even some
01:10:39.069 --> 01:10:41.449
of the crazy creatures in the princess bride
01:10:41.449 --> 01:10:45.090
as well like it's very sort of like devilish
01:10:45.090 --> 01:10:48.819
dancing weird puppetry The Princess Bride? Mm
01:10:48.819 --> 01:10:53.800
-hmm. Oh, okay. Many, many puppets in The Princess
01:10:53.800 --> 01:10:56.920
Bride. Yeah, sorry, I was confused because I
01:10:56.920 --> 01:10:58.659
mentioned The Princess Bride and then you said
01:10:58.659 --> 01:11:00.659
The Princess Bride as if it was a new movie we
01:11:00.659 --> 01:11:02.560
were talking about. Oh, no, sorry, not The Princess
01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:03.800
Bride. Okay, now I see what you're saying. Not
01:11:03.800 --> 01:11:05.579
The Princess Bride. Labyrinth. Sorry, Labyrinth.
01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:08.300
Okay. I don't know why I got those two confused,
01:11:08.319 --> 01:11:11.060
but yeah. You're like, wait, I just, I literally
01:11:11.060 --> 01:11:15.100
just said that. Okay. The Lake of Fire. Oh, man,
01:11:15.199 --> 01:11:18.550
what is... I don't want to look it up. I want
01:11:18.550 --> 01:11:22.829
listeners to be screaming at us. Yep. All right.
01:11:22.850 --> 01:11:24.970
Well, write in, listeners. Or one of us will
01:11:24.970 --> 01:11:28.949
yell it out later if it enters our memory. Okay.
01:11:29.149 --> 01:11:31.989
After his failure to kill Vermithrax, Valerian
01:11:31.989 --> 01:11:34.689
convinces Galen to leave Swanscombe with her.
01:11:34.789 --> 01:11:37.430
As both prepare to depart, the amulet gives Galen
01:11:37.430 --> 01:11:40.449
a vision of the burning water with Vermithrax's...
01:11:41.049 --> 01:11:46.250
cave, within Vermithrax's cave. Boy, oh boy,
01:11:46.350 --> 01:11:49.010
so many consonants in these names. Galen realizes
01:11:49.010 --> 01:11:52.689
that Ulrich planned his own death and cremation,
01:11:52.770 --> 01:11:55.810
being too old and frail to make the journey himself.
01:11:57.170 --> 01:12:00.630
Yes, and Galen returns to the cave, spreads the
01:12:00.630 --> 01:12:04.210
ashes over the fiery lake, and Ulrich is resurrected.
01:12:04.609 --> 01:12:06.670
He reveals that his time is short, and that Galen
01:12:06.670 --> 01:12:08.770
must destroy the amulet, quote, when the time
01:12:08.770 --> 01:12:11.489
is right. Ulric then transports himself to a
01:12:11.489 --> 01:12:14.329
mountaintop, summons a storm, and confronts Vermithrax.
01:12:14.770 --> 01:12:17.550
After a battle, Vermithrax snatches Ulric and
01:12:17.550 --> 01:12:20.930
flies away with him. Cued by Ulric, Galen crushes
01:12:20.930 --> 01:12:24.149
the amulet with a rock. Ulric's body then explodes
01:12:24.149 --> 01:12:28.729
in the talon of Vermithrax, thereby killing the
01:12:28.729 --> 01:12:32.510
dragon, and they both fall from the sky. It's
01:12:32.510 --> 01:12:35.329
true. It's true. I have to say, when he's like,
01:12:35.430 --> 01:12:37.489
you'll know when the time is right. I was like...
01:12:37.760 --> 01:12:39.960
I don't think he knows when the time is right.
01:12:40.140 --> 01:12:42.380
It's very clear he doesn't know. And so he literally
01:12:42.380 --> 01:12:47.479
goes, it's now. Now's the time. Ulrich could
01:12:47.479 --> 01:12:49.699
have explained things a little bit more clearly
01:12:49.699 --> 01:12:52.760
to Galen. 100 % and to the audience, I think
01:12:52.760 --> 01:12:56.739
as well sometimes. Yes. This is some of the story
01:12:56.739 --> 01:13:01.560
structure that I'm talking about. Yeah. We'll
01:13:01.560 --> 01:13:03.399
get through this and then when we think about
01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:05.850
the movie. When we talk more about what we liked,
01:13:05.869 --> 01:13:08.630
didn't like. Great. Okay, so rounding up the
01:13:08.630 --> 01:13:11.109
plot, Cassiodorus arrives and drives a sword
01:13:11.109 --> 01:13:14.250
into Vermithrax's carcass, already dead carcass,
01:13:14.350 --> 01:13:16.590
to claim the glory for himself, while the villagers,
01:13:16.689 --> 01:13:20.430
led by Griel, the new village priest, now calling
01:13:20.430 --> 01:13:24.529
himself Gregorius of Harrensford, claim God as
01:13:24.529 --> 01:13:27.810
their hero. While leaving Erland with Valerian,
01:13:27.930 --> 01:13:30.170
Galen confesses that he misses both Ulric and
01:13:30.170 --> 01:13:33.090
the amulet. He says, I just wish we had a horse.
01:13:33.479 --> 01:13:36.560
And suddenly a white horse appears, insinuating
01:13:36.560 --> 01:13:40.199
that the amulet's power is now within Galen.
01:13:40.300 --> 01:13:43.239
The couple mounts the horse and ride away into
01:13:43.239 --> 01:13:46.779
the sunset. Unfortunately, my least favorite
01:13:46.779 --> 01:13:50.979
thing about this movie is that ending. It wasn't
01:13:50.979 --> 01:13:54.859
like, yeah, I guess let's just start talking
01:13:54.859 --> 01:13:57.020
about some of those plot points. The amulet didn't
01:13:57.020 --> 01:14:01.819
quite fully make. the rounds of sense for me
01:14:01.819 --> 01:14:05.399
of like when, when it's, when it's usable and
01:14:05.399 --> 01:14:07.720
when it's not usable and why he suddenly knows
01:14:07.720 --> 01:14:10.460
how to use it. And even the ending, I was like,
01:14:10.520 --> 01:14:13.340
so he's a full wizard without the amulet now.
01:14:13.439 --> 01:14:16.560
Like, I wish that he may be like glowed or something.
01:14:16.619 --> 01:14:19.939
So to like show us that like it's within him,
01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:21.920
it's, he is now the amulet or something, but
01:14:21.920 --> 01:14:25.840
it, it just didn't quite, all the, the loose
01:14:25.840 --> 01:14:29.500
ends were not tied neatly. Yeah, you're right.
01:14:29.600 --> 01:14:32.840
Didn't make the rounds of sense there. I'm going
01:14:32.840 --> 01:14:36.060
to say that from now on. The ending was also
01:14:36.060 --> 01:14:40.859
weirdly jaunty and tonally... That felt like
01:14:40.859 --> 01:14:43.920
a Disney movie in the last three minutes of the
01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:46.380
film. It suddenly got silly at the end. I was
01:14:46.380 --> 01:14:49.279
like, why? It was so serious. A little jaunty.
01:14:49.760 --> 01:15:00.119
I also took umbrage with... With Galen's miraculous
01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:04.520
escape. So he's just on battle with Vermithrax.
01:15:05.579 --> 01:15:10.279
And then he blacks out. And when he wakes up,
01:15:10.279 --> 01:15:14.039
he's outside of the cave. And I actually didn't
01:15:14.039 --> 01:15:17.539
know if the dragon was dead or not. Agreed. Because
01:15:17.539 --> 01:15:19.600
everything I had watched up until that point
01:15:19.600 --> 01:15:23.960
queued me up for this is the climax. Agreed.
01:15:23.960 --> 01:15:27.720
Yeah. Because he had stabbed the dragon several
01:15:27.720 --> 01:15:30.300
times with the sword that was supposed to kill
01:15:30.300 --> 01:15:33.399
it instantly when he stabs it. And so through
01:15:33.399 --> 01:15:36.359
the head, I think, in fact, he stabbed it. Yeah,
01:15:36.460 --> 01:15:39.500
the neck. And then he breathes fire on him. He
01:15:39.500 --> 01:15:41.479
blocks himself with the thing. And so you sort
01:15:41.479 --> 01:15:44.539
of assume that that was his last breath of fire.
01:15:45.039 --> 01:15:49.060
Dragon's dead. Movie's over. Bye. I was so ready
01:15:49.060 --> 01:15:51.140
for it to be over because I thought, that's great.
01:15:51.199 --> 01:15:53.699
Great, clean ending. And then it kept going.
01:15:54.189 --> 01:15:57.649
Yes. And then Ulrich came back and then he said,
01:15:57.729 --> 01:16:01.569
my time is short. And I said to myself, then
01:16:01.569 --> 01:16:05.250
why are you here? Good, sir. Agreed. Yeah. Like
01:16:05.250 --> 01:16:08.229
I, I, I knew I was like, there's no way that
01:16:08.229 --> 01:16:10.890
he actually died. Like that was where the very
01:16:10.890 --> 01:16:13.369
convenient at the beginning of like, cause he
01:16:13.369 --> 01:16:15.930
said to him, like, you can never hurt me. And
01:16:15.930 --> 01:16:18.159
then he kills him. I'm like. can't he though
01:16:18.159 --> 01:16:20.479
and so i was like there's a plan there's a plan
01:16:20.479 --> 01:16:22.939
i understand but when is it going to happen so
01:16:22.939 --> 01:16:26.420
that made sense but then i was like so he killed
01:16:26.420 --> 01:16:29.880
himself to come back for five minutes and then
01:16:29.880 --> 01:16:33.039
die again i don't understand yeah it was all
01:16:33.039 --> 01:16:36.640
very unexplained and then the amulet suddenly
01:16:36.640 --> 01:16:38.960
appearing didn't make any sense either like when
01:16:38.960 --> 01:16:41.300
he dies and the amulet gets passes on to galen
01:16:41.869 --> 01:16:44.569
was not fully explained that oh his power is
01:16:44.569 --> 01:16:46.510
coming from the amulet he's not just a natural
01:16:46.510 --> 01:16:50.170
wizard yeah i needed more exposition in there
01:16:50.170 --> 01:16:53.369
and also why was galen suddenly a jerk when he
01:16:53.369 --> 01:16:56.489
got the amulet like because he was sort of like
01:16:56.489 --> 01:17:00.770
a meek nice servant next in line sort of like
01:17:00.770 --> 01:17:03.850
a young king arthur kind of a thing of like i'm
01:17:03.850 --> 01:17:06.109
gonna be you know i'm trying to learn and then
01:17:06.109 --> 01:17:08.369
he got gets the amulet and he's suddenly a jackass
01:17:08.369 --> 01:17:10.250
to everybody and i was like what where is this
01:17:10.250 --> 01:17:12.970
coming from he was weirdly unlikable sometimes
01:17:12.970 --> 01:17:16.510
yeah which is why which is weird because again
01:17:16.510 --> 01:17:21.470
i found myself sympathizing more with the ostensible
01:17:21.470 --> 01:17:25.430
antagonists because i was like yeah this kid
01:17:25.430 --> 01:17:29.350
needs needs to get slapped around a little bit.
01:17:29.409 --> 01:17:31.470
Like he's a little big for his britches right
01:17:31.470 --> 01:17:33.829
now. Yeah. He got real arrogant and I was like,
01:17:33.890 --> 01:17:35.850
I wouldn't want you to help me either. Cause
01:17:35.850 --> 01:17:38.689
you're a jerk. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know.
01:17:39.250 --> 01:17:40.930
Slapped around a little bit. Isn't quite what
01:17:40.930 --> 01:17:44.189
you should do. I meant to say like, knock down
01:17:44.189 --> 01:17:47.189
a peg. There you go. There you go. Yeah. He should
01:17:47.189 --> 01:17:49.710
have been abused physically. Right. That's right.
01:17:49.810 --> 01:17:54.390
Just punch him right in the face. Yeah. So, I
01:17:54.390 --> 01:17:57.130
mean, it just, It needed a little bit more baking,
01:17:57.210 --> 01:17:59.350
I guess, or like the eyes of another writer to
01:17:59.350 --> 01:18:01.329
be like, hey, I don't understand this quite so
01:18:01.329 --> 01:18:03.710
much. So can you clear that up for me? I think
01:18:03.710 --> 01:18:07.649
as a writer, I see all the I see the scenes that
01:18:07.649 --> 01:18:11.029
they all need to be there. I see I see what Robbins
01:18:11.029 --> 01:18:14.189
is going for. Yeah, I would I would try to reorder
01:18:14.189 --> 01:18:17.329
them a bit. I would what I thought was the climax.
01:18:17.770 --> 01:18:19.989
Let's make it clear that this is not the climax.
01:18:22.349 --> 01:18:28.010
Or make the mountaintop with Ulrich and the exploding
01:18:28.010 --> 01:18:33.029
wizard. Just fold it all into the same sequence.
01:18:33.510 --> 01:18:36.229
All one big, huge, long action sequence. One
01:18:36.229 --> 01:18:38.890
long action. Instead, we took a weird 10 -minute
01:18:38.890 --> 01:18:42.310
break. And that's what threw me off. That's it
01:18:42.310 --> 01:18:47.149
right there. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Yeah. The
01:18:47.149 --> 01:18:49.470
tone of it just wasn't quite... It didn't hit.
01:18:49.819 --> 01:18:51.979
on all cylinders at all times it was just like
01:18:51.979 --> 01:18:54.640
wait why are we doing this because even even
01:18:54.640 --> 01:18:56.319
like the water scene where he discovers that
01:18:56.319 --> 01:19:01.279
she's a woman was strangely comical and funny
01:19:01.279 --> 01:19:04.539
and i was like why are we shifting tones here
01:19:04.539 --> 01:19:07.800
for that it seems i don't know it just seemed
01:19:07.800 --> 01:19:10.380
like a little unnecessary to to make that a light
01:19:10.380 --> 01:19:13.659
moment as opposed to oh wow okay good for you
01:19:13.659 --> 01:19:16.420
that's really cool he sort of made fun of it
01:19:16.420 --> 01:19:22.439
that's That's what I would have personally wanted.
01:19:22.520 --> 01:19:27.079
I wanted the movie to explore her dressing as
01:19:27.079 --> 01:19:29.819
a man and what Galen thinks about that a little
01:19:29.819 --> 01:19:33.920
bit more. Yeah. It's like a Mulan thing, which,
01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:37.380
you know, Mulan does that, explores that a little
01:19:37.380 --> 01:19:42.420
bit more. With the male character Galen being
01:19:42.420 --> 01:19:44.779
like, you know, he could have wrestled with that
01:19:44.779 --> 01:19:46.239
a little bit. Maybe he could have been attracted
01:19:46.239 --> 01:19:52.229
to... Valerian dressed as a man. Like, I wanted
01:19:52.229 --> 01:19:55.789
to see him confused about his sexuality a little
01:19:55.789 --> 01:19:58.329
bit. Yeah, it's almost like they needed to keep
01:19:58.329 --> 01:20:02.949
Valerian in male garb a little longer. Just a
01:20:02.949 --> 01:20:05.409
little bit longer before the big reveal. The
01:20:05.409 --> 01:20:07.829
reveal happened too soon, I feel like. Yeah.
01:20:08.029 --> 01:20:10.470
It wasn't as complicated, I think. It doesn't
01:20:10.470 --> 01:20:12.510
have to be super complicated, but just a little
01:20:12.510 --> 01:20:15.109
bit. Just a little bit more. Explore it just
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a hint more. Yeah. Yep. Yeah, okay. I'm glad
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to hear about Dragon Slayer. Loved it. Saw it
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back in the day. Such a glorious time then with
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those fantasy movies. Crawl, Clash of the Titans,
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Such a classic. The special effects are so good
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for its time. And the story was fun. Definitely
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a hard PG rating. LOL. Thank you, Jim. I love
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that. I agree with you. Classic special effects.
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Fun story. Hard PG rating. Yeah. Agreed. Agreed.
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The only survivors follow a doubtful seer and
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a throneless king. They will hold her in the
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black fortress. You must have help. Thieves,
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bandits, fighters and brawlers. Desperate men.
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Those are the kind of men I need. Well, you heard
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him. We are now an army. At the end of an impossible
01:23:02.180 --> 01:23:05.859
journey, they must fight an invincible enemy.
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Here is the knowledge you seek. I shall be your
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king. In the fortress, you will face more than
01:23:13.819 --> 01:23:16.819
the slayers. What is about to happen to them
01:23:16.819 --> 01:23:24.970
could never have happened on Earth. Columbia
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Pictures presents a world apart from anything
01:23:28.529 --> 01:23:48.350
you have seen before. Crow. Here it is. The moment
01:23:48.350 --> 01:23:52.130
you've all been waiting for. The continuing of
01:23:52.130 --> 01:23:54.880
the Patrick and Vincent. Wiz Show, Magic and
01:23:54.880 --> 01:23:57.920
Monsters, ding, ding, ding. Patrick and I will
01:23:57.920 --> 01:24:00.180
ask each other a question. It is multiple choice.
01:24:01.699 --> 01:24:07.079
Patrick, I have three possible answers for each
01:24:07.079 --> 01:24:08.960
of my questions. Does that work for you? That
01:24:08.960 --> 01:24:13.420
works wonderfully. Okay. And we left it in Watcher
01:24:13.420 --> 01:24:16.119
of the Woods. Patrick, you had nine points to
01:24:16.119 --> 01:24:19.819
my seven and a half. Okay, okay. Here we've gone.
01:24:19.880 --> 01:24:23.199
Roger Rabbit, you won three to one and a half.
01:24:23.479 --> 01:24:26.180
Okay. Morbius, I took the lead three and a half
01:24:26.180 --> 01:24:29.579
to three. Mm -hmm. The Shaggy Dog, I held the
01:24:29.579 --> 01:24:33.000
lead 6 .5 to six. That's right. You took the
01:24:33.000 --> 01:24:35.300
lead back with Watcher in the Woods. Oof. 97
01:24:35.300 --> 01:24:39.859
.5. Oof. Woo! A real barn burner. Can you run
01:24:39.859 --> 01:24:45.079
away with it or will I come back? I'm interested.
01:24:45.460 --> 01:24:49.210
Dun, dun, dun. All of my questions are dragon
01:24:49.210 --> 01:24:53.250
related, Vincent. What? I know. Strange, don't
01:24:53.250 --> 01:24:55.970
you think? Okay. Are you ready for your first
01:24:55.970 --> 01:25:03.670
question? Hit me. So these are, just like Galen,
01:25:03.689 --> 01:25:05.470
I'm going to hit you around a little bit. These
01:25:05.470 --> 01:25:10.189
are dragons not featured in Dragon Slayer. My
01:25:10.189 --> 01:25:13.630
questions for you. So in the movie, Vincent,
01:25:13.829 --> 01:25:18.739
how to train your dragon. What species is Toothless
01:25:18.739 --> 01:25:24.779
the dragon? Is Toothless a Night Fury? Is Toothless
01:25:24.779 --> 01:25:30.880
B a Thunder Drum? Or is Toothless C a Razor Whip?
01:25:33.119 --> 01:25:37.680
Hit me with those again. A Night Fury, a Thunder
01:25:37.680 --> 01:25:41.439
Drum, or a Razor Whip? Those are good names.
01:25:41.760 --> 01:25:43.960
They're great names. Great movie, by the way.
01:25:44.539 --> 01:25:46.739
Great franchise, How to Train Your Dragon. You
01:25:46.739 --> 01:25:49.920
know, I need to watch it. Yeah. But I'm into
01:25:49.920 --> 01:25:52.279
dragons right now. Well, this is one for you
01:25:52.279 --> 01:25:54.420
then. That's what I've heard. Both animated and
01:25:54.420 --> 01:25:57.520
live action. I celebrate them both. Oh, yeah.
01:25:57.579 --> 01:25:58.979
I didn't realize there was a live action one.
01:25:59.100 --> 01:26:01.859
It just came out recently, yeah. Okay. Well,
01:26:02.000 --> 01:26:09.340
I'm going to go with A. A... The first one. The
01:26:09.340 --> 01:26:12.859
Night Fury. Night Fury. A Night Fury. And that...
01:26:13.239 --> 01:26:19.739
Is absolutely correct. Well done, sir. Well done.
01:26:20.539 --> 01:26:24.699
Well, I have a dragon question for you. Shocking.
01:26:27.239 --> 01:26:32.140
Which cinematic dragon has roasted the most people?
01:26:35.060 --> 01:26:39.600
That's a great question. Okay. Courtesy of List
01:26:39.600 --> 01:26:46.710
of Deaths Wiki. Amazing. Is it A, Vermithrax?
01:26:46.829 --> 01:26:54.090
Oh. Is it B, Smaug from The Hobbit? Mm -hmm.
01:26:54.350 --> 01:27:01.329
Or C, Draco from Dragonheart? Oh, well, okay.
01:27:01.470 --> 01:27:08.199
I'm going to assume that it's Smaug. I feel like
01:27:08.199 --> 01:27:11.760
Smaug took out villages, like villages and villages
01:27:11.760 --> 01:27:15.260
of people. And so the number of deaths is in
01:27:15.260 --> 01:27:17.720
the thousands for Smaug, I'm going to assume.
01:27:19.479 --> 01:27:23.659
Well, ding, ding, ding. Hey! You are correct.
01:27:23.840 --> 01:27:26.340
Okay, great. Not in the thousands, but I have
01:27:26.340 --> 01:27:29.119
the numbers for you. Oh, awesome. According to
01:27:29.119 --> 01:27:31.979
the list of deaths wiki, Smaug is responsible
01:27:31.979 --> 01:27:36.420
for 116 on -screen deaths. Okay. Visually on
01:27:36.420 --> 01:27:40.920
screen. Okay. Yeah. Vermithrax for 39. So no
01:27:40.920 --> 01:27:44.260
contest. That's a lot. Okay. And Dragon Hearts
01:27:44.260 --> 01:27:48.260
Draco 17. 17. Okay. I was going to say, I feel
01:27:48.260 --> 01:27:50.920
like that'd be a low number for Draco. Cool.
01:27:50.960 --> 01:27:54.880
Yeah. Apparently, the How to Train Your Dragon
01:27:54.880 --> 01:27:56.920
dragon, again, I've never seen this movie, so
01:27:56.920 --> 01:27:58.979
you're going to be like, duh, is apparently a
01:27:58.979 --> 01:28:01.819
very dangerous feared dragon. In How to Train
01:28:01.819 --> 01:28:05.840
Your Dragon? Yeah. I feel like I should not answer
01:28:05.840 --> 01:28:07.899
this question because you have to watch the movie
01:28:07.899 --> 01:28:08.979
and find out. Okay, I'll watch the movie. Yeah.
01:28:09.020 --> 01:28:12.239
Okay. I don't want to ruin it for you because
01:28:12.239 --> 01:28:13.899
it's a great movie. It's actually a really good
01:28:13.899 --> 01:28:18.920
movie. Very heartwarming. Okay. All right. So
01:28:18.920 --> 01:28:23.579
we are still neck and neck here. We're samesies.
01:28:23.600 --> 01:28:27.039
We're samesies where we were before. Okay. Let's
01:28:27.039 --> 01:28:32.840
go back to Puff the Magic Dragon, Vincent. Oh,
01:28:32.840 --> 01:28:36.920
okay. Here we go. Where, Vincent, does Puff the
01:28:36.920 --> 01:28:42.840
Magic Dragon live? Does Puff live in Avonlea,
01:28:43.000 --> 01:28:49.340
in Hanalee, or in Leigh Hala? Puff the Magic
01:28:49.340 --> 01:28:53.180
Dragon. I know. I was like, I took a gamble that
01:28:53.180 --> 01:28:56.819
you may not know all the words in the song. That
01:28:56.819 --> 01:29:00.319
was a good gamble. Okay, great. Give those to
01:29:00.319 --> 01:29:05.420
me again, though. Avonlea, Hanalee, or Lehala?
01:29:06.420 --> 01:29:09.520
I'm going to go with Hanalee. Ding, ding, ding.
01:29:09.699 --> 01:29:13.859
It is Hanalee. Well done, sir. All right. I'm
01:29:13.859 --> 01:29:15.420
mad at you, but great. But great. Well done.
01:29:15.720 --> 01:29:22.359
You know your dragons. Pure guess. But maybe
01:29:22.359 --> 01:29:25.979
you can get a guess out of this one. Okay. Okay.
01:29:26.539 --> 01:29:35.619
The 1924 German silent epic. De Nibelungen, as
01:29:35.619 --> 01:29:40.359
we all know, was the first film to depict a dragon.
01:29:40.920 --> 01:29:44.420
It was directed by this famed director, also
01:29:44.420 --> 01:29:48.359
known for The Testament of Dr. Mabusa, Metropolis,
01:29:48.500 --> 01:29:55.619
and The Big Heat. Is it A. F .W. Murnau, B. Fritz
01:29:55.619 --> 01:30:00.159
Lang, or C. Ernst Lubitsch? What did you call
01:30:00.159 --> 01:30:07.680
me? Okay. A dragon heart. Lubitsch. Okay, let's
01:30:07.680 --> 01:30:13.100
see. Oh, this is... You wanted to beat me on
01:30:13.100 --> 01:30:17.319
this one. Okay. A little bit. That's fair. That's
01:30:17.319 --> 01:30:21.039
fair. Just because I like his name, I'm going
01:30:21.039 --> 01:30:27.960
to go with the last one. Lubitsch. Okay, fair
01:30:27.960 --> 01:30:30.890
enough. Fair enough. Ernst Lubitsch. He directed
01:30:30.890 --> 01:30:33.390
the film version of The Shop Around the Corner.
01:30:33.909 --> 01:30:38.489
Oh, okay. Think those kinds of comedies. Very
01:30:38.489 --> 01:30:40.529
good. Brilliant director. But he did not direct
01:30:40.529 --> 01:30:44.289
Die Nibelungen. That honor would go to Fritz
01:30:44.289 --> 01:30:48.210
Lang. Fritz Lang. Okay. Good to know. Good job,
01:30:48.270 --> 01:30:51.430
Fritz Lang. Yeah. Okay. It comes down to this.
01:30:51.569 --> 01:30:55.270
All right, sir. This is one of my favorite movies
01:30:55.270 --> 01:30:58.409
for Disney, and it is called The Reluctant Dragon.
01:30:59.900 --> 01:31:04.560
In The Reluctant Dragon, who is the knight tasked
01:31:04.560 --> 01:31:10.279
with killing said dragon? Is it A. Sir Marcus,
01:31:10.500 --> 01:31:17.359
B. Sir Giles, D. Sir Andrew, D. I mean C. Sir
01:31:17.359 --> 01:31:21.020
Andrew. Why is it D? A's do the D. That's right.
01:31:21.100 --> 01:31:25.840
Maybe. It's late. I'm tired. So we have A. Sir
01:31:25.840 --> 01:31:31.010
Marcus, B. Sir Giles, C. Sir Andrew. I have no
01:31:31.010 --> 01:31:35.590
idea. Great. Reluctantly, I'm going to say Sir
01:31:35.590 --> 01:31:45.489
Andrew. It is Sir Giles. Giles! My second guess.
01:31:45.789 --> 01:31:47.869
Such a great movie. You got to watch it. It's
01:31:47.869 --> 01:31:51.390
only like 15 minutes long. Really? Yeah. That's
01:31:51.390 --> 01:31:53.390
a title I've always heard about, but I guess
01:31:53.390 --> 01:31:55.470
I didn't realize it was that short. It's terrific.
01:31:55.789 --> 01:31:57.829
Terrific, terrific, terrific film. All right.
01:31:58.149 --> 01:32:02.479
Yeah. Well, one of my favorite movies, Godzilla
01:32:02.479 --> 01:32:09.779
versus King Ghidorah. Ah, yes. Is about Godzilla
01:32:09.779 --> 01:32:14.039
fighting King Ghidorah. Who is inspired by which
01:32:14.039 --> 01:32:19.600
dragon of Japanese mythology? Oh, okay. Is it
01:32:19.600 --> 01:32:27.840
A, Yamata no Orochi? B, Yamata Yes Orochi? Shut
01:32:27.840 --> 01:32:37.920
up. I'm mad at you. Or C, the Oni Yokai. Yamata
01:32:37.920 --> 01:32:43.520
no Orochi. Yamata yes Orochi. Or the Oni Yokai.
01:32:43.979 --> 01:32:47.039
The Oni Yokai sounds like a different kind of
01:32:47.039 --> 01:32:49.220
a character, but it's probably that. I'm going
01:32:49.220 --> 01:32:51.500
to be so mad if it's the yes one, but I think
01:32:51.500 --> 01:32:57.039
it's the no one. The first one. Ding, ding, ding.
01:33:00.539 --> 01:33:02.159
What is the third character? I feel like I've
01:33:02.159 --> 01:33:04.479
heard of that third creature before. Did you
01:33:04.479 --> 01:33:06.880
make that up? Those are two separate things.
01:33:07.100 --> 01:33:12.680
Okay. Oni and yokai are two separate Japanese
01:33:12.680 --> 01:33:16.600
supernatural ghost things. Got it. I just threw
01:33:16.600 --> 01:33:19.600
them together, banking that you wouldn't know
01:33:19.600 --> 01:33:22.600
you're Japanese. Well, I mean, it was a full
01:33:22.600 --> 01:33:25.380
guess, but I do feel like I've heard those words
01:33:25.380 --> 01:33:27.020
before, and I was like, that doesn't seem like
01:33:27.020 --> 01:33:29.420
it's what a dragon would be. Okay, cool. Good
01:33:29.420 --> 01:33:32.460
to know. Well done. Yeah. All right. Keeping
01:33:32.460 --> 01:33:34.380
the lead with a full guess. That was a full guess
01:33:34.380 --> 01:33:36.500
at the end, I have to admit. That's how it works
01:33:36.500 --> 01:33:40.699
sometimes. You know, you got 11 points, I 9 .5.
01:33:40.819 --> 01:33:45.140
But maybe, just maybe, in our next episode, I
01:33:45.140 --> 01:33:54.159
will take the lead. I believe in you. Patrick,
01:33:54.220 --> 01:33:55.659
what are we going to talk about next time? We're
01:33:55.659 --> 01:33:58.100
going to talk about Pete's Dragon, man. Disney's
01:33:58.100 --> 01:34:03.000
classic Pete's Dragon, which is... Here's what
01:34:03.000 --> 01:34:05.020
I'll say about Pete's Dragon. Was not a huge
01:34:05.020 --> 01:34:08.640
hit for Disney at the time, but became a bigger
01:34:08.640 --> 01:34:13.140
hit over time for Disney. And a real, I would
01:34:13.140 --> 01:34:17.500
say, a lamppost in their magical movie sort of
01:34:17.500 --> 01:34:22.340
live action. animation crossover genre for Disney,
01:34:22.439 --> 01:34:24.880
which they do so well, I feel like. That's great.
01:34:25.039 --> 01:34:29.760
Yeah, very Disney. I will also, as I will do
01:34:29.760 --> 01:34:32.500
in the episode, keep a tremendous amount of love
01:34:32.500 --> 01:34:37.939
on the 2016 remake of the film. Yes. Couldn't
01:34:37.939 --> 01:34:44.100
be further in tone from the 70s one. True. But
01:34:44.100 --> 01:34:46.720
also worth talking about. So we're going to do
01:34:46.720 --> 01:34:50.720
that next time. Magic and Monsters. Stay tuned.
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