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What if the fastest path to reliable clean electricity is not a new reactor design, but a new place to put one? In this conversation, Paul Shapiro speaks with Elizabeth Muller, CEO of Deep Fission, about a plan to place a conventional pressurized water reactor roughly a mile underground to use geology, gravity, and groundwater for containment, pressure, and emergency cooling, potentially cutting total nuclear costs by as much as 80%. They unpack how a narrow borehole reactor could serve always-on demand from data centers and industrial users, what "proven tech combined in a new way" really means, how safety and groundwater concerns are handled through regulation and engineering practices, and the practical milestones from pilot to commercial operation so listeners can evaluate what it would take for underground nuclear to scale. Things You Will Learn
- How putting a conventional reactor in a mile-deep borehole can replace major above-ground systems and cut nuclear cost drivers.
- How Deep Fission thinks about worst-case scenarios, groundwater protection, and regulatory proof points.
- What milestones convert LOIs into power purchase agreements, and what timelines look like for early deployment.
- Geology-as-infrastructure – Uses rock, gravity, and water to replace containment and pressurization systems.
- Mature-tech recombination – Combines proven reactors, drilling, and geothermal heat transfer to speed time to market.
- Pilot-to-commercial pathway – Separates "go critical" demonstration from commercial electricity generation milestones.
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