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>> Hey guys, welcome back to another
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episode of the Built Different podcast.
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Um, in studio with me, I got a couple
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old friends, so I'm going to let them
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introduce themselves. Um, Jesse, you
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want to go first?
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>> Yeah, sure. I'm Jessica Ottenheim. I'm
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working in District 6, been there since
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I graduated in 2019. and I'm here with
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my partner,
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>> uh, Brett Stevens. Um, sixth district as
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well. We work together every day. Um, we
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graduated nearly around the same time,
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2019. So,
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>> um, you guys have heard me talk about
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the sixth district a little bit. So, you
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guys are kind of familiar with it.
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That's kind of where I grew up. And, um,
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you guys, let's see, did you guys
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graduate the academy together?
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>> Okay.
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>> No, just I think two classes apart.
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>> Okay.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So, what year was that?
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>> 2019. September 2019 is when I came out.
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>> Okay.
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>> I think just after the year turned 2020
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is when I graduated and came out.
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>> Okay. Okay. And then how did you guys
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start riding together?
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>> Uh well my original partner, he took an
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assignment down in the bikes downtown
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and his original partner started having
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babies. So yeah.
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>> Yeah. So
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>> yeah. J uh Jason Delp. He was actually
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on here
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probably the last episode that just
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released I think.
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>> Yeah, that was my partner.
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>> He was on the he was uh on here with the
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uh they had the whole band on here. So
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we had him on. It was cool little
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episode. But
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>> um yeah, so I remember you guys coming
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out and you know working down in 21
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area. I don't know what area just you're
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working out now. You you were kind of in
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>> I was in 12 area. So I worked out Walnut
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Park.
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>> Okay. Yep. Yep. So, um I definitely
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remember that. So,
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>> yeah, now we're relief. So, we're
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>> You guys are on Relief Squad. Awesome.
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Yeah, that's the good squad. Um but it
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things I'm sure things have changed a
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lot since you know I was on. But let's
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just kind of talk about the progression
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of the sixth district, the city policing
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and everything. So,
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>> um how are things? What have the changes
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that you guys have seen so far?
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Well, I would say when we came out uh
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with the circuit attorney's office,
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nothing's you're not getting anywhere.
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You could have a really good case and
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you're just going to get the runaround
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and get blown off. But now we have um a
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lot of good attorneys in place down
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there, especially with Gore with the
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leadership down there. Pretty much every
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case I've taken to them gets issued.
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>> That's that's very refreshing to hear. I
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remember it being a battle. Um,
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especially kind of whenever they did the
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paw thing with co and everything, it was
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just like refused.
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>> Yes. Everything was refused. They didn't
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even
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>> give you a time of day. They wouldn't
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talk to you. They wouldn't even call you
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back. It was literally an email sent to
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you. Refused. Lack of evidence. Every
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single thing.
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>> Yeah. They were really taking advantage
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of the the pending application warrant.
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Um, basically were sending and we were
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sending, if I remember right, we were
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sending them through email a lot of the
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drug cases, stuff like that. Yeah. and
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you weren't getting you weren't
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basically allowed to argue the case like
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and and present the case in a way that
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you know made sense.
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>> For the most part, you didn't hear a
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response for a year.
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>> Yeah. There's still there's still cases
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that we haven't gotten responses on and
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that's no fault of the new
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>> leadership in there. It's all stuff that
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bled over from Kim Garner's office. I
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think the last phone call that I
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received about testifying on a case was
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May of 25.
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>> Oh, wow.
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>> And that was a case from 19, I think.
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So, and like like you said, it's not a
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fault of the
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>> current state, but it's just
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>> I mean, I can imagine they're probably
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at a point where statute of limitations
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is exceeding on
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>> everything. 100%. Yep. Um, and at that
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point, it just needs to happen and
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things just new cases need to be brought
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and just the catch up. So, that's just
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going to be part of the growing process,
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I would assume.
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>> But, I mean, like I said, night and day
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difference. You walk in there, they
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bring you right back and they'll
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actually talk with you. And if you want
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to argue, not argue with them, but argue
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your case, you can. You know, before it
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was No.
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>> Um, how's the morale? Like, I feel I
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feel like it's better than whenever I
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was there.
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um more of the but I could be wrong but
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>> I think it's improved. Um
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>> yeah,
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>> but it it can be so defeating especially
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as a young officer
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um thinking you're writing a good
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report, you're getting a good arrest,
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you're doing all the things right and
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then it it goes nowhere. So you know
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that you take that mentality back to the
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district and it doesn't want to it
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doesn't it's not motivating to deal with
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that.
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>> Absolutely. And it's just the constant I
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mean you're constantly just humping the
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radio.
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>> Yeah.
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>> You know, and that's what killed so many
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for so long. Get them worn out, worn
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down, don't want to do nothing
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proactive, you know, um cuz you're just
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humping the radio. But with that, you
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get more police officers on the street.
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That quiets down a bit. So,
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>> um are you guys seeing a change in
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manpower? Is there a plus up?
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>> I don't know. I even looked at the
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recent academy classes to see
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>> it's a little better, but
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>> we're still losing people. You know,
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>> that's a big deal. Um
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>> whether it be
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retiring, you know, firing, quitting,
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whatever, going to a different place. I
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mean, we're losing, I would say, still
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more than
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>> it seems like we're getting.
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>> Well, and the Yeah, the academy classes
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just aren't as big as they used to be.
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Um
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>> no,
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>> you know, I whenever I went through, we
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graduated, I think this is 2017, right?
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We graduated with graduated um with 17
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people.
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>> Um
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>> that was your graduating class.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And I feel like after like that was
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everyone in the department was like
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>> throwing a hissy fit about it. Like when
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I came out like people were going to the
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union and being like why are we only
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graduating 17 people? And like it was it
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was wild. But now I feel like that's
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kind of part for the course and they're
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not even putting out as many academy
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classes as they want.
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>> 17 would be a big class now. Yeah. It's
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probably a good thing because I mean you
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you naturally have to weed through
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people in the academy.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. And they did and and because I
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started with uh
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36 so they they weeded off a lot of them
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but there's like I said there was people
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mad about it like why are we graduating
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you know but
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>> I think my class was just very there
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wasn't a whole lot of good candidates in
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it.
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>> Yeah. I mean when I went to the academy
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we had three full classes going at once.
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I don't think that's how it is now. I
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could be wrong. I don't know.
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>> See, and then um back whenever I went
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through, right before I went through,
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like three was pretty much normal
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whenever I went through, but like two
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years prior to that, like four or five
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classes going through um and that was 30
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40 plus. So that's it's definitely a big
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change.
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>> Yeah, it used to be for a while like
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class would graduate, 6 weeks later
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another class would start and they were
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that was the rotation they were on. I
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think we graduated 28, which was
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probably the last big class ever since
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then. It's
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>> that's a huge class
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>> compared to now.
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>> Um, so moving forward, I guess let's
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I've I've talked about this a little
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bit, but I kind of want to share it
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again for the listeners that are kind of
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following up on it. So, last year we had
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a really bad storm in the city, and I
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know that storm affected a lot of where
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I used to work at, where you guys
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currently work at. Um, what's kind of
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the state up there right now with all of
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that?
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>> It's just it's honestly the Greaterville
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area where it got hit in the sixth the
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most.
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>> It's a ghost town.
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>> Yeah.
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>> I mean, houses ruined, destroyed. People
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moved out. Um, I think majority of the
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people's houses that were destroyed,
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they were kind of forced to hang around
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that area and live, you know, how they
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could. But now it's Yeah. quiet.
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>> They just all cleared out then. seen a
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lot of demolition now and some I did see
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some survey work near like St. Louis and
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Newstead area like they're getting ready
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to build again on a couple of those
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lots.
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>> You think they're just going to like
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build houses and stuff back up?
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>> I think it's going to be uh something
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>> housing
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>> more like housing. Yeah, like smaller
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apartment units.
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>> Newstead in St. Louis Avenue, they built
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the one apartment complex. Um
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>> like maybe 20 30 units, something like
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that. think
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>> are a lot of these people living on the
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streets, you guys think?
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>> It's so hard to tell.
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>> Yeah, I don't see a lot of them anymore.
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>> I mean, if I from what I can remember
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that, you know, the homeless encampment
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at um Tucker and
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>> what is it? Right down the street from
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>> Yeah. Right. When you get off the
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highway downtown, it's Cass, is it
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>> Cass? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that thing, it
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seems like that blew up even more since
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the
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>> Yeah. I know Elliot Davis, if you guys
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are familiar with him, been down there a
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lot doing stuff. So, um it's it's really
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hard to see, you know, it I mean there
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was a lot of a lot of good people, you
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know, there there was gangs and stuff,
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but there's a lot of good people down
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there. Um you run into a lot of good
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people down there.
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>> Yeah. I mean, you're talking generations
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of of families in this single home um
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just destroyed.
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>> Well, and it it was a it was a more it
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was a less fortunate community than like
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if it would have happened further south,
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>> those people would have been fine.
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>> Oh, yeah. But it was definitely a less
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fortunate community for it to
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>> happen to extremely sad and it's hard
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for them to bounce back. Like I that
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same it wasn't the same tornado.
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>> Um but prior to that there was a tornado
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that ripped through um south southern
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Jeffco Jefferson County area.
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>> My house got hit with that. I needed a
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new roof, you know, insurance, all that
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siding, all that. So um it horrible for
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me and the amount that it cost to have
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new roof, insurance claim put on,
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everything like that. Yeah, I could see
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it being a problem in North St. Louis.
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>> Yeah. And you know, a lot of those
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people probably didn't have insurance.
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>> Um,
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>> a lot of those a lot of those houses
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were probably paid off or they probably
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owned them.
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>> Um, if you're familiar with the north
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side, a lot of those people have lived
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there for a long time, long enough to
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>> pay off them houses and home insurance
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just wasn't a thing. Yeah.
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>> And you're talking no upkeep, you know,
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maybe tuck pointing has to be up kept up
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with. I mean,
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>> it's a it was just a
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Yeah, it was terrible.
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>> Yeah, it sucks.
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>> Um, so kind of we'll kind of rewind. Um,
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I kind of got ahead of myself, but uh,
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fast forwarding to like the beginning of
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your guys' careers, um, what were some
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of the things that you learned early on,
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um, to kind of cut your teeth in the
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district, you know, and grow up?
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>> Um, well, there was a few instances
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where I was really glad that I had ended
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up listening to my sergeant, like when
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he would say, "Don't chase cars. Don't
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chase cars." Because early on, Delp and
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I trying to make a traffic stop. Hadn't
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even turned our lights on yet. The guy
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in that car we were about to pull over,
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he knew that we were about to pull him
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over and he took off on us and he ended
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up driving into oncoming traffic on
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Natural Bridge and killing himself and a
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driver in the other car.
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>> And thank God we weren't chasing that
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car because I would have been done.
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>> Yeah, it's a it's definitely a dangerous
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aspect of for everyone. Um, for for
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people that don't know, like as soon as
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you like like you said, you weren't even
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you hadn't even lit it up, right? Right.
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No.
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>> Um, and a lot of times, I don't know if
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that's the case now, but but then a lot
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of times as soon as you even started
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looking at a car, they they would know
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and they would take off and
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>> um
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>> they have complete disregard for any
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human life. I mean, we're talking, you
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know, North St. Louis kids playing
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outside in the streets.
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>> Um,
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>> yeah. I mean, you light up a car like
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that and you start going down a
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residential block. um the kid's gonna
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jump out in front. It's terrible.
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>> Yep. Learn from others mistakes. That's
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what that's what I did learn early on.
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Listen to your sergeant and learn from
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this mistakes of others.
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>> And I mean back then
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talking 2019 2020 21.
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I mean they were crucifying police
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officers
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>> for that for that exact stuff.
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>> Yep.
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>> Um so between that and and everything
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else at the time, you really got to
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think twice about what you're doing.
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>> Yes. It's very Yeah, it was uh
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>> And for new cops, it's hard to think
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>> at all. It's uh and and you get that you
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get that tunnel vision especially, you
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know, you get that first car that takes
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off from you and you're like, "Oh, here
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we go." But
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>> yeah, let's go. This is, you know,
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YouTube video. I've seen these before.
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You start chasing the out of that car,
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you know.
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>> Yep. It's uh it's definitely a learning
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curve.
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>> Yeah. Um, yeah. I remember
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those first few times of cars chas
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taking off from me and having to stop
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and
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>> but you almost had to I remember there
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towards the end I would literally do a
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U-turn.
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>> That's what we would ended up doing all
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the time. Yeah.
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>> Stay away from the vehicle and cuz
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they're going to continue to drive crazy
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for the next 5 minutes.
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>> If it's dark out, they're going to turn
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their lights off. They're going to start
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driving in oncoming traffic.
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>> Yep.
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>> Yep. But yeah, just coming out initially
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like starting out you got to be able to
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learn how to handle the radio. That's
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your most important. You just got to
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handle radio assignments. You got to
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know how to handle radio assignments.
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Don't you know?
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>> How does beat integrity look like now is
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that
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>> I imagine it's pretty hard with
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>> used to be better. Um it's hard now
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because it's like
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>> now beat integrity is like area
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integrity, right? cuz we got like two to
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three deadheaded cars in each area. So
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it's like say we're 621, right? We
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>> anything from 21 to 624 we're handling,
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>> right?
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>> So
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>> I think if if people can do that at
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least I think that's that's a plus.
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>> At least make the effort. There's times
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when you're just not going to be able to
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do it, but it's those times that the
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other officers understand, especially if
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you're keen up and trying to do it most
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of the time.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And yeah, we we've had our issues with
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it. You know, there's no doubt about it.
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There was a summer two years ago, maybe
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that where we were the only car in 11
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area all summer long.
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>> So, it's like we're expected to handle
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11 area. I mean, it [ __ ] drags on
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you. We're talking six, seven days a
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week, middle of July. I mean
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>> Mhm.
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>> It's tough.
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>> Um, have you guys noticed like a
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decrease in crime? I feel like homicides
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are down. I mean,
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>> homicides are
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>> so I mean I feel like violent crime's
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down. Everything else is
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>> kind Yeah. This past year, I violent
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crime has been down, shootings have been
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down, um homicides been down. I mean,
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there's even been a drop in carjackings.
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I mean, we haven't Yeah, it's been
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>> Do you think that's like
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>> because of postco or do you think that
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it's because
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>> policing is becoming stronger, circuit
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attorney's office,
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>> circuit attorney's office,
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>> circuit attorneys, they know there will
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be repercussions. Um, and
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>> I think yes.
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>> Yeah, they can say
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>> officers want to go off after those
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cases.
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>> Yeah, they can say whatever they want in
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the media, but my personal opinion,
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which I strongly believe it's the
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circuit attorney's office getting cases
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issued, locking people up, no bond on on
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on different crimes. I mean, that's the
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reason why.
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>> Yeah, that's I mean that's the the
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ground floor. We can we as officers can
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do everything, you know, but I always
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joked whenever I was working that it was
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catch and release every time. Um, you
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get a robbery case or something like
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that, you thought it was cut and dry,
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you go hunt the guy down and then
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>> Yeah.
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>> It's no good. So,
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>> there's been some new judges coming in,
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too. I think that
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>> I have seen in some of my cases that
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we've worked,
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>> there has been a difference in those.
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>> That's uh I mean, that's a big point.
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And you got to have a good a good
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judicial system behind the police
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department where you're just spinning
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your wheels.
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>> Yep.
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>> Um
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>> and a lot of people are moving out of
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the city.
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>> Yeah.
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>> You know, residents are moving out.
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They're going out to county, wherever,
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Illinois side.
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>> Um
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>> I don't know. I It just seems like the
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sixth district is, you know, all I know
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for the most part, but it seems like
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it's been a lot quieter.
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>> Do you think the city's kind of in a
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rebuild stage a little bit? like we're I
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mean I'm seeing it from the outside now
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which is very strange for me but you
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know I'm going to like games in the city
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and stuff like that and I feel better
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you know
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>> like whenever I was down there and
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sometimes I feel like well that's just
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cuz I'm not a cop I don't see it every
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day but I do feel like you see less
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you know car clotting stuff like that
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downtown and I feel like it's being
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>> talked about and cracked down on a
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little bit more.
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>> Yeah. Um, I know that's just the the
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night life in the fourth district, but
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um, I would hope that it's bleeding over
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to the other districts as well, which it
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you have to set the precedent somewhere,
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you know,
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>> whether it be in the fourth where we do
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have a lot of visitors. You want people
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to feel safe, right? So that
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>> if you can combat crime, then you can
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bring business in and start getting
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things back on track or whatever.
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>> Absolutely. I mean, we we just had a I
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think a big win I see for politics in
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the city and like I said, crime and
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further progression of the city with um
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you know, us getting an Olympic game
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with the soccer stadium and stuff like
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that. That's
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>> I mean all of that stuff I think will
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only help.
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>> That's huge.
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>> Yeah. And I mean back to what we were
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just saying. I mean nobody wants to go
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downtown to a soccer game or Cardinals
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game and get their car broken into.
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Nobody wants that.
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>> That happens one time. They're probably
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not going to go back to the city for a
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year. You know, that's me anyway. Y it's
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a pain in the ass to get a new window on
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a car. Nobody wants to deal with that.
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>> Yep.
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>> Yeah. I um I just went to a Blues game
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here not too long ago and I was like I
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saw a lot less of
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>> Yeah.
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>> what you used to see, you know. So
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>> yeah, it seems it seems like there's a
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turn. I hope it continues down the right
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path. But how how about um like petty
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crimes? like um I feel like that that's
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kind of a a big thing too because it's
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something that I felt like always got
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overlooked in the city cuz you got so so
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much more stuff. But um I think stepping
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down on petty crimes also helps and sets
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that precedent of well if I can't do
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this then I can't
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>> sure
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>> go break into a car.
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>> Um but I didn't know how the city like
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the city judicial system was if that was
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>> I've gone to city court quite a few
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times for different cases um for petty
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crimes. So, I can say there is some
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leeway where they're actually looking at
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the cases now, which is good. But I
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think a lot of petty crimes
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victims got to the point where they
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weren't even reporting them. Yeah.
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>> Because nothing was being done about
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them.
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>> Or it take hour for an officer to get to
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you for your petty crime, you know?
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>> Yep.
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>> I mean, we're talking car clotting.
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Yeah. It might be an hour before one cop
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shows up to to write down 50 vehicle
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vins in a parking lot, you know.
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>> Absolutely. Um, well, I mean, this is
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all good stuff to hear. I definitely
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think that it's on the right path. I
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think that people are seeing the change.
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Um, for sure. I think there's a
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different light, like I said, in
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>> America in general,
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>> um,
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>> on policing.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So, which is important. You need a you
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need a community to back you. Um, I
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always throw this story out there, but I
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always felt like the community wasn't
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against you, but you just didn't know
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who was, you know, supportive of you and
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then who was like,
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>> if you turn your back.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Um, but I remember after I got out of
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the hospital, um, they were constructing
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the soccer park at the time.
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>> Mhm. And when we pulled up in front of
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headquarters, um, I looked behind me and
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all of the workers that were working on
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the soccer stadium were out there
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clapping, which
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>> to me was kind of like my first sight at
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seeing the community support police a
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little bit more.
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>> Sure. And that's a good point because I
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mean, working in the six for what, six
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years, seven years now?
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>> I mean, I've never I don't know policing
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anywhere else, right? I've always been
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>> north St. Louis. So, I don't know what
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it's like to police out in Clayton or,
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you know, district one or two on
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Southside where people actually like
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you.
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>> I mean, my like what's hard for me is I
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think that everyone dislikes the police.
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>> Mhm.
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>> And I hate to say it like that, but
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>> my overall opinion is like people don't
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like me. People don't like the police.
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People don't want the police just
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hanging around, you know?
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>> So, yeah. I don't know what that would
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be like anywhere else, but um I can
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imagine people like us,
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>> right? I try to talk them out of that
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cuz I work a lot of secondary at
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different places that are very welcoming
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of police like Ballpark Village
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>> baseball game. Everybody's walking by.
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Thank you for being here. Thank you for
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being here. Things that Yeah. We don't
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get that in the north. So
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>> I remember doing that that kind of stuff
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downtown. But I always felt like when
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you would go to a call on a six, you
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were always starting behind the gun. So
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you're already ready prepared to argue
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why you're there. You know how you're
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going to help them. You're a good guy.
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you know, I'm not here to mess with you.
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>> Yeah. That's how a lot of our
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conversations start. Yeah.
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>> And I remember, you know, going downtown
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to work at the Blues game or something
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like that and like kind of starting my
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approach like that with people and they
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were like, "Oh, thank you so much." You
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know, pat on the back. I'm like,
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>> "Yeah."
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>> Yeah.
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>> But yeah, I definitely I I see the you
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know, you see the difference.
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>> Yeah, definitely.
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>> But it would be interesting. I would be
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intrigued to see what that is like. But
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maybe I need to work some more overtime
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secondary somewhere. 2006. Yeah. I
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worked uh I worked down down in district
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2 a couple times um with a buddy that I
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graduated academy with and I just
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remember how
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>> he's like, "Yeah, we got to go go to
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this spot and this spot and we just got
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to sit here." And I'm like
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>> like they people want us to go hang out.
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>> There was like there was like a call
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like a block away from us and he's like,
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"No, we got to sit here. We have to we
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have to stay here."
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>> And I remember going down to the
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cruising detail and it being the same
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way like Salama's market, you stay
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there.
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>> Oh yeah.
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But um yeah, it was just it's strange to
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see the difference between the north
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side versus
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>> same city but completely different
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dynamic for as far as policing goes.
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Yeah.
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>> Yeah. I mean it it is totally different
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dynamic. You have to completely police
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in a different way. I mean just the way
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like you said approaching people, you
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have to
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prove to them that you're not there to
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just f with them, you know.
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>> Yeah. I don't remember I remember
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starting out um you know I had like one
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or two years on and people like you are
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coming out you guys are coming out of
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the academy and stuff and I remember
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telling them like just expect to start
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behind the gun you know you show up to a
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shooting scene it's going to be your
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fault.
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>> Yeah.
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>> None of you were involved with the
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shooting but it's going to be your fault
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>> and you just got to start behind the gun
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and take it for what it is. So
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>> yeah,
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>> been on shootings that have led to
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full-on aid calls with
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>> you know everything in between with the
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family and bystanders and everything
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else. You just it's just got to be ready
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for anything.
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>> It's weird. The switch will flip and
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Yeah. There's Yeah.
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>> Um
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so let's kind of talk a little bit. So
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you you guys got to experience like
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COVID policing and stuff like that. Mhm.
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>> Let's talk about cuz I feel like
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>> the city but also the north side just
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completely changed after that.
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>> Um so co kind of started in what was it
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20 19
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>> 2020
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>> beginning of 2020
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>> which is when I came out. So
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>> right so you're coming out and you know
00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:25.270
people are like wear your mask all this
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stuff like it was
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>> no self initiated activity. Yeah.
00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:30.070
>> My training period when I was on
00:23:30.080 --> 00:23:32.070
training when I was a pro or you know on
00:23:32.080 --> 00:23:33.990
training status whatever
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>> I did not we I did not pull over a
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single car.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Can you imagine that?
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>> Coming out of the academy and you don't
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>> pull over a car and do a traffic stop
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>> for the what however long we were on it.
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I mean come on.
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>> Yeah. You know I was I had actually went
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on a military deployment in 20 and which
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I'm not sure you guys definitely had it
00:23:53.919 --> 00:23:55.430
worse because you know you had the Floyd
00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:57.830
riots while I was gone and CO and all
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that stuff, but I was jumping between
00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:01.990
countries and stuff. In every country
00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:04.310
that I went to, we had to quarantine for
00:24:04.320 --> 00:24:05.190
two weeks
00:24:05.200 --> 00:24:07.029
>> and then if you had a bad test or you
00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:08.310
sneezed or you looked at someone wrong,
00:24:08.320 --> 00:24:09.909
you were in it for another two weeks and
00:24:09.919 --> 00:24:10.950
it was awful.
00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:12.390
>> It took me forever just to get back to
00:24:12.400 --> 00:24:13.830
the states to get back to policing. So,
00:24:13.840 --> 00:24:16.470
I remember when I came back, I think we
00:24:16.480 --> 00:24:18.070
were up at the Y
00:24:18.080 --> 00:24:19.510
>> and I didn't realize that and I walked
00:24:19.520 --> 00:24:20.870
into the North Patrol and no one knew
00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:22.950
who I was. I I had a beard and stuff and
00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:24.789
everyone was like, "Who's this guy?" I'm
00:24:24.799 --> 00:24:26.390
like trying to get back to the apartment
00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:27.909
as quick as I can. And they're like,
00:24:27.919 --> 00:24:28.630
"Well,
00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:30.149
>> I think it was Mac. He sent me down."
00:24:30.159 --> 00:24:31.669
He's like, "Listen, the apartment's a
00:24:31.679 --> 00:24:32.710
little bit different from when you left.
00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:34.870
You got to do all these steps to get all
00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:36.390
these places." And
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>> it was it was crazy.
00:24:37.760 --> 00:24:40.149
>> Yeah. I think that really set a lot of
00:24:40.159 --> 00:24:42.149
things back. It was co I mean, it's just
00:24:42.159 --> 00:24:44.070
like you can't just shut down the world
00:24:44.080 --> 00:24:46.230
and expect to a two years later to get
00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:47.029
back to normal.
00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:49.510
>> It was. Yeah. And obviously we saw the
00:24:49.520 --> 00:24:51.830
repercussions from like we said the
00:24:51.840 --> 00:24:53.669
circuit attorney's office judicial
00:24:53.679 --> 00:24:56.149
system stuff like that and
00:24:56.159 --> 00:24:58.230
>> just everything was at a snail's pace
00:24:58.240 --> 00:24:59.669
from that moment forward.
00:24:59.679 --> 00:25:01.350
>> You could pretty much do whatever you
00:25:01.360 --> 00:25:04.789
wanted from a crimes perspective and
00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:06.549
you'd be sitting at the justice center
00:25:06.559 --> 00:25:08.149
for less than a day. You know you're
00:25:08.159 --> 00:25:09.350
going to be out.
00:25:09.360 --> 00:25:11.909
>> Yeah. It's uh Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they
00:25:11.919 --> 00:25:13.830
just weren't and I think that I don't
00:25:13.840 --> 00:25:15.909
remember, but I feel like the the gusto
00:25:15.919 --> 00:25:18.390
was very overpop populated. Like maybe
00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:19.990
it wasn't then, maybe it was before, but
00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:21.830
I feel like there was some issues with
00:25:21.840 --> 00:25:23.269
that kind of stuff, too. So, they were
00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:24.070
just
00:25:24.080 --> 00:25:25.510
>> people were the streets.
00:25:25.520 --> 00:25:27.590
>> During that period, we had the area
00:25:27.600 --> 00:25:29.029
stations. We had the holdovers were
00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:29.909
closed.
00:25:29.919 --> 00:25:31.510
>> So, we had to go down to the justice
00:25:31.520 --> 00:25:32.789
center and book
00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:33.669
>> everyone. Yeah.
00:25:33.679 --> 00:25:35.510
>> That's from South Patrol, Central, North
00:25:35.520 --> 00:25:35.909
Patrol.
00:25:35.919 --> 00:25:37.830
>> Yeah. And in that little It wasn't even
00:25:37.840 --> 00:25:40.310
a room. It was a like cubicle with just
00:25:40.320 --> 00:25:42.549
one or two computers and the right one
00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:44.870
never worked. And
00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:46.230
>> yeah, it was very
00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:48.789
>> Yeah, it was it was a wild time to be.
00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:50.390
>> Then, you know, now that things have
00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:51.750
gotten better, you know, the the
00:25:51.760 --> 00:25:54.230
workhouse demoed, you know, they
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destroyed that.
00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:57.350
>> So, constantly once a week, we're
00:25:57.360 --> 00:25:58.950
getting on, you know, we're coming in
00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:00.789
shift and we hear over the radio that
00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:02.870
the justice center is closed.
00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:03.190
>> Yeah.
00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:03.909
>> You know, yeah.
00:26:03.919 --> 00:26:04.950
>> It's like, what do you mean the justice
00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:06.470
center is closed?
00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:07.990
Were you guys on when the workhouse was
00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:09.830
a thing? Yeah. Okay. I didn't know if
00:26:09.840 --> 00:26:11.269
you were or not, but we used to get that
00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:11.510
was
00:26:11.520 --> 00:26:13.269
>> We used to go there all the time.
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:15.190
>> Used to get calls for inmates and stuff
00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:15.830
like that.
00:26:15.840 --> 00:26:16.710
>> He on people.
00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:18.950
>> I actually it was it was very weird, but
00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:20.789
I ended up having to arrest one of the
00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:22.950
workers there. Um cuz he ended up
00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:25.029
assaulting one of the guys name. I don't
00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:26.549
remember. I don't know if I think it was
00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:28.149
Damon Willis, but I had to call him and
00:26:28.159 --> 00:26:29.590
I'm like, I don't know what to do here.
00:26:29.600 --> 00:26:30.070
>> Yeah.
00:26:30.080 --> 00:26:31.909
>> Because this guy absolutely assaulted
00:26:31.919 --> 00:26:33.750
this inmate.
00:26:33.760 --> 00:26:35.269
So he came up and it was a whole big
00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:36.630
ordeal. We
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>> It was a It was I was not sad to see
00:26:39.760 --> 00:26:42.390
that place go. Just it was it was a very
00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:44.149
big It was
00:26:44.159 --> 00:26:45.029
>> It was a headache.
00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:47.510
>> The the the structure the structural
00:26:47.520 --> 00:26:49.350
side of it like we should as district
00:26:49.360 --> 00:26:51.110
cops should not have been they could
00:26:51.120 --> 00:26:53.909
have implemented a city if if the city
00:26:53.919 --> 00:26:55.510
police have to regulate it. They could
00:26:55.520 --> 00:26:56.950
have implemented a
00:26:56.960 --> 00:26:59.590
>> you know three, four, five police
00:26:59.600 --> 00:27:01.350
officers to regulate
00:27:01.360 --> 00:27:02.950
>> something. Yeah. something should have
00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:04.149
>> a little unit or something they could
00:27:04.159 --> 00:27:04.390
have.
00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:06.470
>> I mean, in terms of prisoners, it was a
00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:08.630
good place. I mean, we needed the space,
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:08.870
right?
00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:10.549
>> Yeah. There's probably no doubt that it
00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:12.470
needed renovations or whatever the hell.
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:14.149
I'm sure it was a [ __ ] hole inside
00:27:14.159 --> 00:27:15.269
there. It's jail,
00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:16.710
>> you know, but
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:17.990
>> I'm sure they could have done a little
00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:19.830
upkeep with it and kept it running.
00:27:19.840 --> 00:27:21.029
>> Now, you just have no place for the
00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:22.070
prisoners to go.
00:27:22.080 --> 00:27:22.630
>> Yeah.
00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:24.390
>> You have nothing. There's no place.
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:25.830
>> Yeah. So, you're probably getting a lot
00:27:25.840 --> 00:27:27.909
of those guys that are just getting
00:27:27.919 --> 00:27:31.590
released because of staffing or whatever
00:27:31.600 --> 00:27:33.110
>> to that point, if it's not already.
00:27:33.120 --> 00:27:34.149
Yeah, they're probably going to be
00:27:34.159 --> 00:27:36.310
pushed to start releasing people,
00:27:36.320 --> 00:27:36.549
whatever.
00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:37.990
>> I know there's been a lot of controversy
00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:40.390
in the news about the justice center
00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:42.390
here recently. So,
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>> um yeah, it's uh definitely a mess. It's
00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:46.789
uh hopefully something that will improve
00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:47.190
as well.
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>> Sure.
00:27:47.760 --> 00:27:49.590
>> Um but
00:27:49.600 --> 00:27:52.789
>> so, you know, you guys are postco now.
00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:55.750
You guys are pretty from the city
00:27:55.760 --> 00:27:57.909
standpoint once you get like a year on I
00:27:57.919 --> 00:27:59.029
feel like you're
00:27:59.039 --> 00:27:59.510
>> you're in
00:27:59.520 --> 00:28:01.430
>> you're Yeah. You're either
00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:02.789
>> substantiated. You know, you got your
00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:04.070
foothold. You know what you're doing or
00:28:04.080 --> 00:28:07.350
not. But um I mean
00:28:07.360 --> 00:28:09.430
>> the the turnover obviously is a big
00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:10.630
thing. You don't know who you're riding
00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:12.389
with. People go to Well, not really
00:28:12.399 --> 00:28:13.430
anymore. They don't really go to
00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:14.710
specialized units, but you know, people
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:16.789
leave and stuff like that.
00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:19.830
>> Yeah. So, um like how does that how does
00:28:19.840 --> 00:28:21.430
that feel? I mean, you seeing you're
00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:23.830
seeing your co-workers leave, go other
00:28:23.840 --> 00:28:25.350
places, do things like that pretty
00:28:25.360 --> 00:28:27.190
quick. It's it's hard to stick it out
00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:28.230
through all that. It is.
00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:29.909
>> It can be. Yeah, for sure.
00:28:29.919 --> 00:28:32.389
>> I think Yeah. I mean, I think a lot of
00:28:32.399 --> 00:28:34.470
other police officers have an issue with
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:36.630
it, but I like patrol.
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:37.110
>> Yeah.
00:28:37.120 --> 00:28:38.549
>> I can do
00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:39.669
>> what I want.
00:28:39.679 --> 00:28:41.750
>> I cancel the radio. I can investigate
00:28:41.760 --> 00:28:42.389
things. Yeah.
00:28:42.399 --> 00:28:43.990
>> I can chill, you know?
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:45.110
>> Y
00:28:45.120 --> 00:28:46.230
>> that's what I like about it.
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:48.389
>> I loved I love that aspect of patrol as
00:28:48.399 --> 00:28:51.110
well. I couldn't go and run and gun
00:28:51.120 --> 00:28:53.590
every day and mobile or whatever. I
00:28:53.600 --> 00:28:54.710
couldn't do that. I'm not built for
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:55.269
that.
00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:58.710
>> It's uh yeah, a unit like mobile,
00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:01.029
>> I don't know. It it it interested me. I
00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:03.750
won't I'm not going to lie. But it was a
00:29:03.760 --> 00:29:05.750
you know, you go out, chase a car,
00:29:05.760 --> 00:29:07.909
arrest bad guy. It was, you know,
00:29:07.919 --> 00:29:09.750
>> and I'm sure they have days where they
00:29:09.760 --> 00:29:11.190
chill too. Oh, yeah. You know, they're
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:12.950
not doing it every single day. Yeah. But
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:14.230
when we're talking going down to the
00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:15.669
circuit attorney's office, playing on a
00:29:15.679 --> 00:29:16.870
case, arresting a guy, I mean, you're
00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:18.389
doing that back to back to back, that
00:29:18.399 --> 00:29:20.230
that's a drain. That's old.
00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:21.909
>> I don't know if I'd like that.
00:29:21.919 --> 00:29:23.909
>> Well, and you can do like you can Well,
00:29:23.919 --> 00:29:25.269
like you guys have been doing, but
00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:27.190
investigations and stuff like that, like
00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:30.149
you can do that. We pick and choose what
00:29:30.159 --> 00:29:31.350
we want to.
00:29:31.360 --> 00:29:32.870
>> Not that everything isn't important,
00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:34.710
that we don't do everything to a certain
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:35.830
standard, but
00:29:35.840 --> 00:29:38.070
>> you know, sometimes we get a case and
00:29:38.080 --> 00:29:39.110
we'll
00:29:39.120 --> 00:29:41.190
>> work with a sergeant in the detective
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:43.350
bureau and say, "Do you mind if we take
00:29:43.360 --> 00:29:44.710
lead on this?" You know, and we'll
00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:46.470
handle it, you know, we'll clean it up
00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:48.310
and everything. So, yeah, we have those
00:29:48.320 --> 00:29:50.149
options and we can do search warrants.
00:29:50.159 --> 00:29:52.230
We are doing a lot of stuff with animal
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:55.590
abuse right now which really is
00:29:55.600 --> 00:29:57.510
interests me because I feel like you
00:29:57.520 --> 00:29:59.590
know animals in the city are not treated
00:29:59.600 --> 00:30:01.990
well in a lot of cases and they don't
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:03.750
have a voice so I like to be that voice
00:30:03.760 --> 00:30:04.549
for them.
00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:06.070
>> Let's uh let's kind of hop into that.
00:30:06.080 --> 00:30:07.669
You guys are kind of already famous
00:30:07.679 --> 00:30:09.830
before coming on the podcast. So yeah,
00:30:09.840 --> 00:30:11.350
you guys have had a few things going on
00:30:11.360 --> 00:30:13.750
in the news and stuff. So um
00:30:13.760 --> 00:30:15.350
>> let's just let's hop right into it and
00:30:15.360 --> 00:30:18.149
talk about that. Um, you guys had a dog
00:30:18.159 --> 00:30:21.510
that was shot if I'm correct.
00:30:21.520 --> 00:30:24.470
>> Um, was it like a was it on purpose? Was
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:25.590
it a stray bullet? Was it
00:30:25.600 --> 00:30:26.950
>> I don't know. It was It was a holiday
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:28.310
morning. I think it was around Christmas
00:30:28.320 --> 00:30:31.510
time. Um, it was a call for shots fired
00:30:31.520 --> 00:30:34.710
in the Bayen neighborhood. Um,
00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:36.470
I think Officer Landon Jordan got there
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:38.389
first and he he let us know about it.
00:30:38.399 --> 00:30:39.669
But yeah, the dog was there on the
00:30:39.679 --> 00:30:41.350
street. I don't know if somebody just
00:30:41.360 --> 00:30:42.789
was tired of seeing the dog on the
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:43.590
block,
00:30:43.600 --> 00:30:45.750
>> tired of the dog rumaging through trash,
00:30:45.760 --> 00:30:47.750
if tired of the stray dog, whatever. Dog
00:30:47.760 --> 00:30:49.750
was barking early in the morning. I
00:30:49.760 --> 00:30:50.950
don't know. I think someone just went
00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:53.029
out and took a couple shots at it and
00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:55.029
hit it right in the eye uh right below
00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:56.789
the eye and it kind of bounced down,
00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:59.029
clipped the dog's tooth, went through a
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:00.789
little leg, got shot in the butt. I
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:03.350
mean, yeah, the dog Yeah, miracle that
00:31:03.360 --> 00:31:04.870
dog lived.
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:06.710
>> Um,
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:08.310
so what's what's the process kind of
00:31:08.320 --> 00:31:09.669
look like after that? you guys are
00:31:09.679 --> 00:31:11.590
probably contacting
00:31:11.600 --> 00:31:11.830
um
00:31:11.840 --> 00:31:13.590
>> yeah we don't so with cases like that
00:31:13.600 --> 00:31:16.230
when a dog's shot and it's like severe
00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:18.710
we rely on stray rescue familiar with
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:20.950
stray rescue st yeah I mean they're not
00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:22.950
a city entity like they don't you know
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:23.830
what I'm saying they're not controlled
00:31:23.840 --> 00:31:25.510
by the city or anything like that so the
00:31:25.520 --> 00:31:27.669
the range of things they can do is much
00:31:27.679 --> 00:31:29.909
different than animal control
00:31:29.919 --> 00:31:31.830
>> it sucks to say but if you got a dog
00:31:31.840 --> 00:31:33.430
shot three times and you take it to
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:35.110
animal control they don't have the
00:31:35.120 --> 00:31:36.870
resources to
00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:39.509
>> repair the dog bring the dog you
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:40.789
It's unfortunate, but they're they're
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:41.830
just going to have to euthanize it.
00:31:41.840 --> 00:31:43.029
>> They have limitations, you know. They're
00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:44.789
taxf funded. They have limitations. So,
00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:46.630
>> yeah, it's no fault of their own. I
00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:47.750
mean, they're they're doing the best
00:31:47.760 --> 00:31:49.350
with the resources that they can just
00:31:49.360 --> 00:31:51.029
like everybody. Absolutely. You know,
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:52.789
but but yeah, we rush the Dog Straight
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:54.789
Rescue and they're just they're amazing.
00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:58.710
>> Yeah. I um so way back when I think it
00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:01.430
was like probably 18, but I found a dog
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:02.789
down in the basement and I took him down
00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:05.430
took her down to stray rescue
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:08.950
>> and um she was I I kept calling like I
00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:10.070
was I kept calling about her. I was
00:32:10.080 --> 00:32:11.990
like, "Hey, you know, someone someone
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:13.909
adopted her." No, no. So, I finally came
00:32:13.919 --> 00:32:15.029
down there and I adopted her.
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:19.190
>> Oh, that's so I had her for
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:21.430
>> probably about a year and she was out at
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:23.190
my family's farm and she got bit by a
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:25.350
raccoon. Do you guys know what coonhound
00:32:25.360 --> 00:32:26.310
paralysis is?
00:32:26.320 --> 00:32:26.710
>> No.
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:29.350
>> Basically, if they get some raccoons
00:32:29.360 --> 00:32:31.830
carry this disease and it will paralyze
00:32:31.840 --> 00:32:32.630
the dog.
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:33.269
>> Wow.
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:36.549
>> And it was it was very very bad. Um, so
00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:38.070
we ended up having to put her down. But
00:32:38.080 --> 00:32:39.750
that's how I met my wife.
00:32:39.760 --> 00:32:41.590
>> So my wife worked at the vet clinic and
00:32:41.600 --> 00:32:41.909
so
00:32:41.919 --> 00:32:44.549
>> she worked at the not stray rescue where
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:45.110
you're at
00:32:45.120 --> 00:32:47.029
>> back home. So that's how I met my wife.
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:49.269
So Ventura was her name. But
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:50.310
>> she uh
00:32:50.320 --> 00:32:53.029
>> she was she was a little something out
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:53.509
of it.
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:54.310
>> Oh yeah.
00:32:54.320 --> 00:32:57.350
>> But I uh so dogs are very you know those
00:32:57.360 --> 00:32:59.190
stray dogs up there you can get very
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:00.470
easily attached to them.
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:02.470
>> Yeah. And we do I mean we Yeah. I mean
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:04.549
once a week we're saving a dog whether
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:06.789
it's just finding it on the street or or
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:08.549
whatever it might be.
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:11.269
>> Um yeah it's like once a week probably.
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:12.630
That's a pretty good average.
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:15.509
>> There's so many up there. I feel like um
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:18.470
>> and there a lot in such bad conditions
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:21.269
like bad situations or
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:23.750
>> you know there's there's been I can
00:33:23.760 --> 00:33:25.669
count on just name a few right now. We
00:33:25.679 --> 00:33:27.350
had a dog that was hit by a car.
00:33:27.360 --> 00:33:30.070
Somebody called it in on West Florison.
00:33:30.080 --> 00:33:31.430
>> The call could have went right to animal
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:33.350
control, but we went because the second
00:33:33.360 --> 00:33:35.509
person called and yeah, we ended up
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:37.269
getting that dog. Stray Rescue was
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:38.950
closed, but I called Stray Rescue and
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:40.710
they gave us permission to take the dog
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:43.750
to the ER, which is like very
00:33:43.760 --> 00:33:45.509
specialized and expensive.
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:47.590
>> That dog ended up needing a leg
00:33:47.600 --> 00:33:50.549
amputation. He had to go to Missou and
00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:52.630
have a surgery at their veterinary
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:54.549
school and Stray Rescue take care of all
00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:57.750
of it. And we had another dog uh got hit
00:33:57.760 --> 00:33:59.190
by a car or got countless.
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:00.710
>> Yeah. Just it's over and over again.
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:03.029
It's just the
00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:04.710
I don't if it's just the community if
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:07.430
they just irresponsible dog ownership. I
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:09.909
mean it's that's not having secured
00:34:09.919 --> 00:34:12.629
backyards. It's some I've met people who
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:14.790
just think it's cool that their dog goes
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:17.349
and roams the block, you know, like oh
00:34:17.359 --> 00:34:19.190
my dog's just down the block visiting
00:34:19.200 --> 00:34:20.629
his friend. No.
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:22.629
>> Like what are we doing? Well, especially
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:24.310
up there because you meet you meet so
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:25.589
many people that have the dogs, but then
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:26.950
there's other people that are like
00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:28.310
scared.
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:30.069
>> Like more so than a normal human being
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:31.510
and they'll they'll just shoot them.
00:34:31.520 --> 00:34:33.430
>> Yes. And then well on the other end you
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:35.349
have dogs who up there that will
00:34:35.359 --> 00:34:36.950
literally be on the streets for so long
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:39.190
they're so hungry they're starving. Um
00:34:39.200 --> 00:34:41.909
they get, you know, they're pissed off,
00:34:41.919 --> 00:34:43.990
right? And then they join a pack with
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:45.510
other dogs. So you have like a wild pack
00:34:45.520 --> 00:34:47.669
of dogs out there and they will attack
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:49.270
people. They will start attacking kids.
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:50.790
I mean it's a major problem. It's
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:52.389
because they were failed by humans. They
00:34:52.399 --> 00:34:53.829
were failed by humans, you know.
00:34:53.839 --> 00:34:57.030
>> No fault of the dog, you know. It's just
00:34:57.040 --> 00:34:59.510
terrible, you know, irresponsible dog
00:34:59.520 --> 00:35:00.390
ownership.
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:03.670
>> Yeah. It's uh it's it's kind of crazy up
00:35:03.680 --> 00:35:05.510
there. Like I remember seeing packs of
00:35:05.520 --> 00:35:09.190
dogs roaming and stuff like that. So, um
00:35:09.200 --> 00:35:09.670
>> yeah, it's
00:35:09.680 --> 00:35:11.910
>> but with that, we've have a really good
00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:13.589
relationship kind of we're getting there
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:15.910
with with animal control. So, they've
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:18.069
been sending us a lot of uh
00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:20.230
>> animal abuse cases, you know. Oh, I mean
00:35:20.240 --> 00:35:22.069
more serious than others. I mean, not
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:24.150
like dog off a leash and stuff like
00:35:24.160 --> 00:35:26.310
that, but like actual animal abuse cases
00:35:26.320 --> 00:35:27.750
that we've gotten a lot of charges
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:30.310
issued for felonies on it, saving the
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:32.790
dog and all that good stuff or cat, too.
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:33.829
Um,
00:35:33.839 --> 00:35:35.510
>> but yeah, that's something we love and I
00:35:35.520 --> 00:35:37.750
think everyone should find something
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:39.670
they like and try to pursue it.
00:35:39.680 --> 00:35:41.990
>> I think that's that's very important um
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:44.069
in that job especially like you know,
00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:46.310
you can you can do everything in patrol.
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:48.790
So, um finding your little
00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:49.829
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:49.839 --> 00:35:51.829
>> Nick and the, you know, in in patrol.
00:35:51.839 --> 00:35:53.910
Um, mine was kind of a little bit of
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:55.030
everything, but I really got like
00:35:55.040 --> 00:35:56.310
attached to
00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:58.150
>> some of the drugs and stuff and stuff
00:35:58.160 --> 00:36:00.150
like that, just knowing how that game
00:36:00.160 --> 00:36:02.630
kind of worked. So, that was a big big
00:36:02.640 --> 00:36:04.470
deal of mine and allowed me to apply for
00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:06.870
DEI and stuff. But,
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:09.910
>> um, this just finding that as a patrol
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:12.069
officer to kind of hone in on in a city
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:14.790
is very easy to do and should be done.
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:17.510
>> You get a lot of good cases from Lee
00:36:17.520 --> 00:36:19.829
running down you know, like animal abuse
00:36:19.839 --> 00:36:21.670
stuff or whatever. You know, the usually
00:36:21.680 --> 00:36:23.109
people who are mistreating animals,
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:24.470
they're probably not they're doing other
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:25.430
[ __ ] you know,
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:27.430
>> most most crimes lead to other crimes.
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:29.030
>> Yes. I mean, they're not the best of
00:36:29.040 --> 00:36:31.270
humans if they're just beating up a dog,
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:32.950
you know. So,
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:35.589
>> yeah, I've had I've I've talked to a few
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:37.349
officers, you know, that have joined the
00:36:37.359 --> 00:36:39.190
city, like younger officers, and I I've
00:36:39.200 --> 00:36:40.550
told them that before. You know, most
00:36:40.560 --> 00:36:42.310
crimes will lead to other crimes. Your
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:44.390
car clottings downtown, those guys are
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:46.630
doing more than just that kind of stuff,
00:36:46.640 --> 00:36:49.349
you know. So absolutely. Um I think it's
00:36:49.359 --> 00:36:50.950
important to remember that as a young
00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:51.510
officer.
00:36:51.520 --> 00:36:54.150
>> Yeah. I mean even when Jessica she used
00:36:54.160 --> 00:36:57.030
to do the um drinking in public a lot.
00:36:57.040 --> 00:36:57.829
>> Oh yeah. Yeah.
00:36:57.839 --> 00:36:59.349
>> Yeah. I mean even doing those summones
00:36:59.359 --> 00:37:01.270
or furs and stuff like that. It it leads
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to so much more.
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>> Yeah. We'd have a guy in cuffs and he'd
00:37:04.160 --> 00:37:05.829
like take off running all of a sudden on
00:37:05.839 --> 00:37:08.150
delp, you know, it's cuz he has a whole
00:37:08.160 --> 00:37:10.069
nut sack full of ecstasy. So of course
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:11.510
he's running because he's getting a
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ticket for drinking in public. He knows
00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:14.790
we're about to find that. And those guys
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probably if you know they didn't have
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drugs or something, they probably knew
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what was going on in the block and they
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could probably tell you.
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>> Exactly. Yeah, we found out a lot of
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stuff like that.
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>> Like a a homicide happens in that block
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or whatever. I mean, detectives,
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homicide detectives will look into furs
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in that area and then track down those
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people that were furred and then get
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information from them about cuz they're
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always out there. They're out there
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sitting on the block drinking. They know
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what's going on. I remember uh I had
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:41.190
Aaron Webster on here a while back
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>> and he told me that one of the biggest
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things that he thought
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that the city was kind of missing out on
00:37:47.359 --> 00:37:50.390
as policing goes was footbeats
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>> especially up north because he said he
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remembered as a young officer doing foot
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beats and stuff and
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:56.069
>> he's like I would just meet so many
00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:58.630
people just you know and he's like they
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always started off better if I was on
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:02.470
foot versus pulling up on them in a car.
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>> Yeah. The intimidation a little bit.
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Yeah,
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>> makes sense. So
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>> um yeah, that's a that's a big thing.
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Now obviously you guys probably don't
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have a whole lot of time to do that now
00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:13.750
with manpower and stuff like that, but
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>> um yeah, it's definitely that casual
00:38:17.040 --> 00:38:19.030
conversations with people and stuff like
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that is definitely a a segue into other
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things. Yeah, we we have a lady in
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Walnut Park um that we actually met
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through an animal abuse situation,
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>> strangely enough, but um our
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investigation led us back to her,
00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:38.710
>> not for not as as a suspect of the
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animal abuse. She she has become a very
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good friend of ours where we go to her
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house for meals and she gets us
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Christmas presents and
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>> her dog had a birthday party. She
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invited us, you know, and
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>> there are times when she knows what's
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going on, you know.
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>> Yeah, there's a lot of good people up
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there still and they're they're willing
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to treat you right, you know, as long as
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you give them a little bit of time.
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Yeah. So, yeah, if you pe officers,
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:05.430
young officers got back to the foot
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beats and just talking to people. I
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mean, of course, you're going to go down
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a block and talk to someone and they're
00:39:09.359 --> 00:39:11.349
going to tell you to f off, you know,
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>> but that's not everyone. And I've had to
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learn that myself, too.
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>> Oh, yeah. 100%. Yeah. We uh I remember I
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think it was like 19.
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>> Maybe maybe it was 21, but we were we
00:39:24.240 --> 00:39:26.230
were doing a couple foot beats like on
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um
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>> the like college and Carter area, stuff
00:39:29.680 --> 00:39:31.270
like that. We were looking for a couple
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guys over there. So,
00:39:32.640 --> 00:39:34.310
>> we were we were pretty prevalent in that
00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:37.270
area. So, um, it definitely, you know,
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:40.150
it worked out sometimes, but,
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um, other than that though, guys, I
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mean, you guys got anything else to add?
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>> U, I just like when young officers come
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on, don't
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>> think that patrol is like a bad place to
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be. Like, just goes back to what we've
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been talking about. It's I feel like we
00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:59.190
should be treated better in patrol,
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>> but it is not a bad place to be at all.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. Get comfortable there. And you
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know,
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>> everyone thinks they can just come out
00:40:05.680 --> 00:40:07.670
the academy and jump into to SWAT and
00:40:07.680 --> 00:40:09.589
booting indoors, but it's like that's
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:10.790
totally unrealistic.
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>> I've uh my eyes have been very wide open
00:40:13.200 --> 00:40:15.190
since, you know, I medically retired and
00:40:15.200 --> 00:40:18.069
everything, but uh I've talked to a few
00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:19.750
of the upper chain of command and stuff
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:22.630
like that, and if you don't think that
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they don't know what's going on patrol,
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when I say upper chain of command, I
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mean lieutenants and stuff like that,
00:40:27.839 --> 00:40:29.030
these specialized units, they're keeping
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an eye on you guys. Um, I've talked to
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:33.910
several guys, you know, down at DEI,
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:34.870
stuff like that. They're like, "Yeah, we
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:35.990
were always keeping an eye on your
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:37.750
platoon." Like, you had a lot of hard
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:40.230
hard working cops there. So, and the
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sixth district does. So,
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>> for sure.
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>> Um, yeah. I mean,
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>> that's very good thing to think about.
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>> Yeah. If you can if you can master
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patrol, you can you can do anything.
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>> Absolutely.
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>> Well, guys, thanks for coming on.
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>> Thanks for having us. Thank you. Good to
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see you. Good to see you guys.
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>> Hey guys, welcome back to another
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episode of the Built Different podcast.
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Um, in studio with me, I got a couple
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old friends, so I'm going to let them
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introduce themselves. Um, Jesse, you
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want to go first?
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>> Yeah, sure. I'm Jessica Ottenheim. I'm
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working in District 6, been there since
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I graduated in 2019. and I'm here with
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my partner,
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>> uh, Brett Stevens. Um, sixth district as
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well. We work together every day. Um, we
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graduated nearly around the same time,
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2019. So,
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>> um, you guys have heard me talk about
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the sixth district a little bit. So, you
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guys are kind of familiar with it.
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That's kind of where I grew up. And, um,
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you guys, let's see, did you guys
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graduate the academy together?
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>> Okay.
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>> No, just I think two classes apart.
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>> Okay.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So, what year was that?
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>> 2019. September 2019 is when I came out.
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>> Okay.
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>> I think just after the year turned 2020
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is when I graduated and came out.
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>> Okay. Okay. And then how did you guys
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start riding together?
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>> Uh well my original partner, he took an
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assignment down in the bikes downtown
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and his original partner started having
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babies. So yeah.
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>> Yeah. So
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>> yeah. J uh Jason Delp. He was actually
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on here
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probably the last episode that just
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released I think.
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>> Yeah, that was my partner.
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>> He was on the he was uh on here with the
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uh they had the whole band on here. So
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we had him on. It was cool little
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episode. But
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>> um yeah, so I remember you guys coming
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out and you know working down in 21
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area. I don't know what area just you're
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working out now. You you were kind of in
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>> I was in 12 area. So I worked out Walnut
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Park.
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>> Okay. Yep. Yep. So, um I definitely
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remember that. So,
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>> yeah, now we're relief. So, we're
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>> You guys are on Relief Squad. Awesome.
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Yeah, that's the good squad. Um but it
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things I'm sure things have changed a
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lot since you know I was on. But let's
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just kind of talk about the progression
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of the sixth district, the city policing
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and everything. So,
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>> um how are things? What have the changes
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that you guys have seen so far?
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Well, I would say when we came out uh
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with the circuit attorney's office,
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nothing's you're not getting anywhere.
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You could have a really good case and
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you're just going to get the runaround
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and get blown off. But now we have um a
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lot of good attorneys in place down
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there, especially with Gore with the
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leadership down there. Pretty much every
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case I've taken to them gets issued.
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>> That's that's very refreshing to hear. I
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remember it being a battle. Um,
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especially kind of whenever they did the
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paw thing with co and everything, it was
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just like refused.
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>> Yes. Everything was refused. They didn't
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even
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>> give you a time of day. They wouldn't
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talk to you. They wouldn't even call you
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back. It was literally an email sent to
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you. Refused. Lack of evidence. Every
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single thing.
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>> Yeah. They were really taking advantage
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of the the pending application warrant.
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Um, basically were sending and we were
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sending, if I remember right, we were
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sending them through email a lot of the
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drug cases, stuff like that. Yeah. and
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you weren't getting you weren't
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basically allowed to argue the case like
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and and present the case in a way that
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you know made sense.
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>> For the most part, you didn't hear a
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response for a year.
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>> Yeah. There's still there's still cases
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that we haven't gotten responses on and
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that's no fault of the new
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>> leadership in there. It's all stuff that
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bled over from Kim Garner's office. I
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think the last phone call that I
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received about testifying on a case was
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May of 25.
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>> Oh, wow.
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>> And that was a case from 19, I think.
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So, and like like you said, it's not a
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fault of the
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>> current state, but it's just
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>> I mean, I can imagine they're probably
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at a point where statute of limitations
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is exceeding on
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>> everything. 100%. Yep. Um, and at that
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point, it just needs to happen and
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things just new cases need to be brought
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and just the catch up. So, that's just
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going to be part of the growing process,
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I would assume.
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>> But, I mean, like I said, night and day
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difference. You walk in there, they
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bring you right back and they'll
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actually talk with you. And if you want
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to argue, not argue with them, but argue
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your case, you can. You know, before it
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was No.
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>> Um, how's the morale? Like, I feel I
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feel like it's better than whenever I
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was there.
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um more of the but I could be wrong but
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>> I think it's improved. Um
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>> yeah,
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>> but it it can be so defeating especially
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as a young officer
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um thinking you're writing a good
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report, you're getting a good arrest,
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you're doing all the things right and
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then it it goes nowhere. So you know
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that you take that mentality back to the
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district and it doesn't want to it
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doesn't it's not motivating to deal with
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that.
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>> Absolutely. And it's just the constant I
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mean you're constantly just humping the
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radio.
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>> Yeah.
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>> You know, and that's what killed so many
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for so long. Get them worn out, worn
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down, don't want to do nothing
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proactive, you know, um cuz you're just
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humping the radio. But with that, you
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get more police officers on the street.
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That quiets down a bit. So,
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>> um are you guys seeing a change in
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manpower? Is there a plus up?
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>> I don't know. I even looked at the
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recent academy classes to see
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>> it's a little better, but
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>> we're still losing people. You know,
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>> that's a big deal. Um
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>> whether it be
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retiring, you know, firing, quitting,
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whatever, going to a different place. I
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mean, we're losing, I would say, still
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more than
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>> it seems like we're getting.
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>> Well, and the Yeah, the academy classes
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just aren't as big as they used to be.
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Um
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>> no,
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>> you know, I whenever I went through, we
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graduated, I think this is 2017, right?
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We graduated with graduated um with 17
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people.
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>> Um
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>> that was your graduating class.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And I feel like after like that was
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everyone in the department was like
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>> throwing a hissy fit about it. Like when
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I came out like people were going to the
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union and being like why are we only
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graduating 17 people? And like it was it
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was wild. But now I feel like that's
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kind of part for the course and they're
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not even putting out as many academy
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classes as they want.
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>> 17 would be a big class now. Yeah. It's
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probably a good thing because I mean you
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you naturally have to weed through
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people in the academy.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. And they did and and because I
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started with uh
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36 so they they weeded off a lot of them
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but there's like I said there was people
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mad about it like why are we graduating
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you know but
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>> I think my class was just very there
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wasn't a whole lot of good candidates in
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it.
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>> Yeah. I mean when I went to the academy
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we had three full classes going at once.
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I don't think that's how it is now. I
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could be wrong. I don't know.
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>> See, and then um back whenever I went
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through, right before I went through,
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like three was pretty much normal
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whenever I went through, but like two
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years prior to that, like four or five
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classes going through um and that was 30
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40 plus. So that's it's definitely a big
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change.
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>> Yeah, it used to be for a while like
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class would graduate, 6 weeks later
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another class would start and they were
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that was the rotation they were on. I
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think we graduated 28, which was
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probably the last big class ever since
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then. It's
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>> that's a huge class
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>> compared to now.
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>> Um, so moving forward, I guess let's
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I've I've talked about this a little
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bit, but I kind of want to share it
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again for the listeners that are kind of
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following up on it. So, last year we had
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a really bad storm in the city, and I
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know that storm affected a lot of where
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I used to work at, where you guys
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currently work at. Um, what's kind of
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the state up there right now with all of
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that?
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>> It's just it's honestly the Greaterville
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area where it got hit in the sixth the
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most.
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>> It's a ghost town.
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>> Yeah.
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>> I mean, houses ruined, destroyed. People
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moved out. Um, I think majority of the
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people's houses that were destroyed,
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they were kind of forced to hang around
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that area and live, you know, how they
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could. But now it's Yeah. quiet.
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>> They just all cleared out then. seen a
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lot of demolition now and some I did see
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some survey work near like St. Louis and
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Newstead area like they're getting ready
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to build again on a couple of those
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lots.
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>> You think they're just going to like
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build houses and stuff back up?
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>> I think it's going to be uh something
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>> housing
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>> more like housing. Yeah, like smaller
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apartment units.
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>> Newstead in St. Louis Avenue, they built
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the one apartment complex. Um
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>> like maybe 20 30 units, something like
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that. think
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>> are a lot of these people living on the
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streets, you guys think?
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>> It's so hard to tell.
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>> Yeah, I don't see a lot of them anymore.
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>> I mean, if I from what I can remember
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that, you know, the homeless encampment
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at um Tucker and
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>> what is it? Right down the street from
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>> Yeah. Right. When you get off the
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highway downtown, it's Cass, is it
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>> Cass? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that thing, it
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seems like that blew up even more since
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the
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>> Yeah. I know Elliot Davis, if you guys
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are familiar with him, been down there a
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lot doing stuff. So, um it's it's really
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hard to see, you know, it I mean there
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was a lot of a lot of good people, you
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know, there there was gangs and stuff,
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but there's a lot of good people down
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there. Um you run into a lot of good
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people down there.
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>> Yeah. I mean, you're talking generations
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of of families in this single home um
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just destroyed.
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>> Well, and it it was a it was a more it
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was a less fortunate community than like
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if it would have happened further south,
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>> those people would have been fine.
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>> Oh, yeah. But it was definitely a less
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fortunate community for it to
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>> happen to extremely sad and it's hard
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for them to bounce back. Like I that
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same it wasn't the same tornado.
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>> Um but prior to that there was a tornado
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that ripped through um south southern
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Jeffco Jefferson County area.
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>> My house got hit with that. I needed a
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new roof, you know, insurance, all that
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siding, all that. So um it horrible for
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me and the amount that it cost to have
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new roof, insurance claim put on,
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everything like that. Yeah, I could see
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it being a problem in North St. Louis.
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>> Yeah. And you know, a lot of those
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people probably didn't have insurance.
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>> Um,
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>> a lot of those a lot of those houses
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were probably paid off or they probably
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owned them.
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>> Um, if you're familiar with the north
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side, a lot of those people have lived
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there for a long time, long enough to
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>> pay off them houses and home insurance
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just wasn't a thing. Yeah.
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>> And you're talking no upkeep, you know,
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maybe tuck pointing has to be up kept up
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with. I mean,
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>> it's a it was just a
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Yeah, it was terrible.
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>> Yeah, it sucks.
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>> Um, so kind of we'll kind of rewind. Um,
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I kind of got ahead of myself, but uh,
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fast forwarding to like the beginning of
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your guys' careers, um, what were some
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of the things that you learned early on,
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um, to kind of cut your teeth in the
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district, you know, and grow up?
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>> Um, well, there was a few instances
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where I was really glad that I had ended
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up listening to my sergeant, like when
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he would say, "Don't chase cars. Don't
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chase cars." Because early on, Delp and
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I trying to make a traffic stop. Hadn't
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even turned our lights on yet. The guy
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in that car we were about to pull over,
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he knew that we were about to pull him
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over and he took off on us and he ended
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up driving into oncoming traffic on
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Natural Bridge and killing himself and a
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driver in the other car.
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>> And thank God we weren't chasing that
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car because I would have been done.
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>> Yeah, it's a it's definitely a dangerous
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aspect of for everyone. Um, for for
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people that don't know, like as soon as
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you like like you said, you weren't even
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you hadn't even lit it up, right? Right.
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No.
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>> Um, and a lot of times, I don't know if
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that's the case now, but but then a lot
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of times as soon as you even started
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looking at a car, they they would know
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and they would take off and
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>> um
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>> they have complete disregard for any
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human life. I mean, we're talking, you
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know, North St. Louis kids playing
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outside in the streets.
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>> Um,
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>> yeah. I mean, you light up a car like
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that and you start going down a
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residential block. um the kid's gonna
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jump out in front. It's terrible.
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>> Yep. Learn from others mistakes. That's
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what that's what I did learn early on.
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Listen to your sergeant and learn from
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this mistakes of others.
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>> And I mean back then
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talking 2019 2020 21.
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I mean they were crucifying police
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officers
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>> for that for that exact stuff.
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>> Yep.
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>> Um so between that and and everything
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else at the time, you really got to
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think twice about what you're doing.
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>> Yes. It's very Yeah, it was uh
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>> And for new cops, it's hard to think
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>> at all. It's uh and and you get that you
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get that tunnel vision especially, you
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know, you get that first car that takes
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off from you and you're like, "Oh, here
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we go." But
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>> yeah, let's go. This is, you know,
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YouTube video. I've seen these before.
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You start chasing the out of that car,
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you know.
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>> Yep. It's uh it's definitely a learning
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curve.
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>> Yeah. Um, yeah. I remember
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those first few times of cars chas
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taking off from me and having to stop
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and
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>> but you almost had to I remember there
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towards the end I would literally do a
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U-turn.
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>> That's what we would ended up doing all
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the time. Yeah.
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>> Stay away from the vehicle and cuz
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they're going to continue to drive crazy
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for the next 5 minutes.
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>> If it's dark out, they're going to turn
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their lights off. They're going to start
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driving in oncoming traffic.
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>> Yep.
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>> Yep. But yeah, just coming out initially
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like starting out you got to be able to
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learn how to handle the radio. That's
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your most important. You just got to
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handle radio assignments. You got to
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know how to handle radio assignments.
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Don't you know?
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>> How does beat integrity look like now is
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that
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>> I imagine it's pretty hard with
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>> used to be better. Um it's hard now
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because it's like
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>> now beat integrity is like area
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integrity, right? cuz we got like two to
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three deadheaded cars in each area. So
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it's like say we're 621, right? We
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>> anything from 21 to 624 we're handling,
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>> right?
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>> So
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>> I think if if people can do that at
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least I think that's that's a plus.
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>> At least make the effort. There's times
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when you're just not going to be able to
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do it, but it's those times that the
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other officers understand, especially if
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you're keen up and trying to do it most
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of the time.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And yeah, we we've had our issues with
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it. You know, there's no doubt about it.
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There was a summer two years ago, maybe
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that where we were the only car in 11
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area all summer long.
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>> So, it's like we're expected to handle
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11 area. I mean, it [ __ ] drags on
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you. We're talking six, seven days a
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week, middle of July. I mean
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>> Mhm.
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>> It's tough.
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>> Um, have you guys noticed like a
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decrease in crime? I feel like homicides
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are down. I mean,
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>> homicides are
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>> so I mean I feel like violent crime's
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down. Everything else is
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>> kind Yeah. This past year, I violent
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crime has been down, shootings have been
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down, um homicides been down. I mean,
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there's even been a drop in carjackings.
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I mean, we haven't Yeah, it's been
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>> Do you think that's like
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>> because of postco or do you think that
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it's because
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>> policing is becoming stronger, circuit
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attorney's office,
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>> circuit attorney's office,
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>> circuit attorneys, they know there will
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be repercussions. Um, and
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>> I think yes.
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>> Yeah, they can say
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>> officers want to go off after those
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cases.
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>> Yeah, they can say whatever they want in
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the media, but my personal opinion,
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which I strongly believe it's the
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circuit attorney's office getting cases
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issued, locking people up, no bond on on
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on different crimes. I mean, that's the
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reason why.
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>> Yeah, that's I mean that's the the
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ground floor. We can we as officers can
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do everything, you know, but I always
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joked whenever I was working that it was
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catch and release every time. Um, you
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get a robbery case or something like
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that, you thought it was cut and dry,
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you go hunt the guy down and then
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>> Yeah.
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>> It's no good. So,
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>> there's been some new judges coming in,
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too. I think that
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>> I have seen in some of my cases that
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we've worked,
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>> there has been a difference in those.
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>> That's uh I mean, that's a big point.
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And you got to have a good a good
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judicial system behind the police
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department where you're just spinning
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your wheels.
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>> Yep.
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>> Um
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>> and a lot of people are moving out of
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the city.
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>> Yeah.
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>> You know, residents are moving out.
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They're going out to county, wherever,
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Illinois side.
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>> Um
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>> I don't know. I It just seems like the
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sixth district is, you know, all I know
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for the most part, but it seems like
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it's been a lot quieter.
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>> Do you think the city's kind of in a
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rebuild stage a little bit? like we're I
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mean I'm seeing it from the outside now
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which is very strange for me but you
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know I'm going to like games in the city
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and stuff like that and I feel better
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you know
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>> like whenever I was down there and
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sometimes I feel like well that's just
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cuz I'm not a cop I don't see it every
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day but I do feel like you see less
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you know car clotting stuff like that
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downtown and I feel like it's being
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>> talked about and cracked down on a
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little bit more.
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>> Yeah. Um, I know that's just the the
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night life in the fourth district, but
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um, I would hope that it's bleeding over
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to the other districts as well, which it
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you have to set the precedent somewhere,
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you know,
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>> whether it be in the fourth where we do
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have a lot of visitors. You want people
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to feel safe, right? So that
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>> if you can combat crime, then you can
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bring business in and start getting
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things back on track or whatever.
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>> Absolutely. I mean, we we just had a I
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think a big win I see for politics in
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the city and like I said, crime and
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further progression of the city with um
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you know, us getting an Olympic game
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with the soccer stadium and stuff like
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that. That's
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>> I mean all of that stuff I think will
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only help.
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>> That's huge.
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>> Yeah. And I mean back to what we were
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just saying. I mean nobody wants to go
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downtown to a soccer game or Cardinals
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game and get their car broken into.
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Nobody wants that.
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>> That happens one time. They're probably
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not going to go back to the city for a
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year. You know, that's me anyway. Y it's
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a pain in the ass to get a new window on
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a car. Nobody wants to deal with that.
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>> Yep.
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>> Yeah. I um I just went to a Blues game
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here not too long ago and I was like I
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saw a lot less of
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>> Yeah.
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>> what you used to see, you know. So
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>> yeah, it seems it seems like there's a
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turn. I hope it continues down the right
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path. But how how about um like petty
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crimes? like um I feel like that that's
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kind of a a big thing too because it's
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something that I felt like always got
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overlooked in the city cuz you got so so
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much more stuff. But um I think stepping
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down on petty crimes also helps and sets
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that precedent of well if I can't do
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this then I can't
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>> sure
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>> go break into a car.
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>> Um but I didn't know how the city like
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the city judicial system was if that was
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>> I've gone to city court quite a few
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times for different cases um for petty
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crimes. So, I can say there is some
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leeway where they're actually looking at
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the cases now, which is good. But I
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think a lot of petty crimes
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victims got to the point where they
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weren't even reporting them. Yeah.
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>> Because nothing was being done about
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them.
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>> Or it take hour for an officer to get to
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you for your petty crime, you know?
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>> Yep.
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>> I mean, we're talking car clotting.
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Yeah. It might be an hour before one cop
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shows up to to write down 50 vehicle
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vins in a parking lot, you know.
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>> Absolutely. Um, well, I mean, this is
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all good stuff to hear. I definitely
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think that it's on the right path. I
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think that people are seeing the change.
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Um, for sure. I think there's a
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different light, like I said, in
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>> America in general,
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>> um,
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>> on policing.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So, which is important. You need a you
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need a community to back you. Um, I
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always throw this story out there, but I
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always felt like the community wasn't
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against you, but you just didn't know
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who was, you know, supportive of you and
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then who was like,
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>> if you turn your back.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Um, but I remember after I got out of
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the hospital, um, they were constructing
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the soccer park at the time.
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>> Mhm. And when we pulled up in front of
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headquarters, um, I looked behind me and
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all of the workers that were working on
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the soccer stadium were out there
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clapping, which
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>> to me was kind of like my first sight at
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seeing the community support police a
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little bit more.
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>> Sure. And that's a good point because I
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mean, working in the six for what, six
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years, seven years now?
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>> I mean, I've never I don't know policing
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anywhere else, right? I've always been
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>> north St. Louis. So, I don't know what
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it's like to police out in Clayton or,
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you know, district one or two on
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Southside where people actually like
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you.
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>> I mean, my like what's hard for me is I
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think that everyone dislikes the police.
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>> Mhm.
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>> And I hate to say it like that, but
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>> my overall opinion is like people don't
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like me. People don't like the police.
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People don't want the police just
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hanging around, you know?
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>> So, yeah. I don't know what that would
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be like anywhere else, but um I can
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imagine people like us,
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>> right? I try to talk them out of that
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cuz I work a lot of secondary at
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different places that are very welcoming
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of police like Ballpark Village
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>> baseball game. Everybody's walking by.
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Thank you for being here. Thank you for
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being here. Things that Yeah. We don't
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get that in the north. So
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>> I remember doing that that kind of stuff
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downtown. But I always felt like when
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you would go to a call on a six, you
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were always starting behind the gun. So
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you're already ready prepared to argue
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why you're there. You know how you're
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going to help them. You're a good guy.
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you know, I'm not here to mess with you.
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>> Yeah. That's how a lot of our
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conversations start. Yeah.
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>> And I remember, you know, going downtown
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to work at the Blues game or something
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like that and like kind of starting my
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approach like that with people and they
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were like, "Oh, thank you so much." You
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know, pat on the back. I'm like,
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>> "Yeah."
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>> Yeah.
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>> But yeah, I definitely I I see the you
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know, you see the difference.
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>> Yeah, definitely.
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>> But it would be interesting. I would be
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intrigued to see what that is like. But
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maybe I need to work some more overtime
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secondary somewhere. 2006. Yeah. I
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worked uh I worked down down in district
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2 a couple times um with a buddy that I
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graduated academy with and I just
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remember how
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>> he's like, "Yeah, we got to go go to
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this spot and this spot and we just got
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to sit here." And I'm like
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>> like they people want us to go hang out.
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>> There was like there was like a call
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like a block away from us and he's like,
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"No, we got to sit here. We have to we
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have to stay here."
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>> And I remember going down to the
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cruising detail and it being the same
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way like Salama's market, you stay
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there.
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>> Oh yeah.
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But um yeah, it was just it's strange to
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see the difference between the north
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side versus
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>> same city but completely different
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dynamic for as far as policing goes.
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Yeah.
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>> Yeah. I mean it it is totally different
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dynamic. You have to completely police
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in a different way. I mean just the way
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like you said approaching people, you
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have to
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prove to them that you're not there to
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just f with them, you know.
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>> Yeah. I don't remember I remember
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starting out um you know I had like one
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or two years on and people like you are
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coming out you guys are coming out of
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the academy and stuff and I remember
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telling them like just expect to start
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behind the gun you know you show up to a
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shooting scene it's going to be your
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fault.
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>> Yeah.
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>> None of you were involved with the
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shooting but it's going to be your fault
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>> and you just got to start behind the gun
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and take it for what it is. So
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>> yeah,
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>> been on shootings that have led to
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full-on aid calls with
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>> you know everything in between with the
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family and bystanders and everything
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else. You just it's just got to be ready
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for anything.
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>> It's weird. The switch will flip and
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Yeah. There's Yeah.
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>> Um
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so let's kind of talk a little bit. So
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you you guys got to experience like
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COVID policing and stuff like that. Mhm.
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>> Let's talk about cuz I feel like
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>> the city but also the north side just
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completely changed after that.
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>> Um so co kind of started in what was it
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20 19
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>> 2020
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>> beginning of 2020
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>> which is when I came out. So
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>> right so you're coming out and you know
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people are like wear your mask all this
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stuff like it was
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>> no self initiated activity. Yeah.
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>> My training period when I was on
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training when I was a pro or you know on
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training status whatever
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>> I did not we I did not pull over a
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single car.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Can you imagine that?
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>> Coming out of the academy and you don't
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>> pull over a car and do a traffic stop
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>> for the what however long we were on it.
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I mean come on.
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>> Yeah. You know I was I had actually went
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on a military deployment in 20 and which
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I'm not sure you guys definitely had it
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worse because you know you had the Floyd
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riots while I was gone and CO and all
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that stuff, but I was jumping between
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countries and stuff. In every country
00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:04.310
that I went to, we had to quarantine for
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two weeks
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>> and then if you had a bad test or you
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sneezed or you looked at someone wrong,
00:24:08.320 --> 00:24:09.909
you were in it for another two weeks and
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it was awful.
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>> It took me forever just to get back to
00:24:12.400 --> 00:24:13.830
the states to get back to policing. So,
00:24:13.840 --> 00:24:16.470
I remember when I came back, I think we
00:24:16.480 --> 00:24:18.070
were up at the Y
00:24:18.080 --> 00:24:19.510
>> and I didn't realize that and I walked
00:24:19.520 --> 00:24:20.870
into the North Patrol and no one knew
00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:22.950
who I was. I I had a beard and stuff and
00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:24.789
everyone was like, "Who's this guy?" I'm
00:24:24.799 --> 00:24:26.390
like trying to get back to the apartment
00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:27.909
as quick as I can. And they're like,
00:24:27.919 --> 00:24:28.630
"Well,
00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:30.149
>> I think it was Mac. He sent me down."
00:24:30.159 --> 00:24:31.669
He's like, "Listen, the apartment's a
00:24:31.679 --> 00:24:32.710
little bit different from when you left.
00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:34.870
You got to do all these steps to get all
00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:36.390
these places." And
00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:37.750
>> it was it was crazy.
00:24:37.760 --> 00:24:40.149
>> Yeah. I think that really set a lot of
00:24:40.159 --> 00:24:42.149
things back. It was co I mean, it's just
00:24:42.159 --> 00:24:44.070
like you can't just shut down the world
00:24:44.080 --> 00:24:46.230
and expect to a two years later to get
00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:47.029
back to normal.
00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:49.510
>> It was. Yeah. And obviously we saw the
00:24:49.520 --> 00:24:51.830
repercussions from like we said the
00:24:51.840 --> 00:24:53.669
circuit attorney's office judicial
00:24:53.679 --> 00:24:56.149
system stuff like that and
00:24:56.159 --> 00:24:58.230
>> just everything was at a snail's pace
00:24:58.240 --> 00:24:59.669
from that moment forward.
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>> You could pretty much do whatever you
00:25:01.360 --> 00:25:04.789
wanted from a crimes perspective and
00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:06.549
you'd be sitting at the justice center
00:25:06.559 --> 00:25:08.149
for less than a day. You know you're
00:25:08.159 --> 00:25:09.350
going to be out.
00:25:09.360 --> 00:25:11.909
>> Yeah. It's uh Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they
00:25:11.919 --> 00:25:13.830
just weren't and I think that I don't
00:25:13.840 --> 00:25:15.909
remember, but I feel like the the gusto
00:25:15.919 --> 00:25:18.390
was very overpop populated. Like maybe
00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:19.990
it wasn't then, maybe it was before, but
00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:21.830
I feel like there was some issues with
00:25:21.840 --> 00:25:23.269
that kind of stuff, too. So, they were
00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:24.070
just
00:25:24.080 --> 00:25:25.510
>> people were the streets.
00:25:25.520 --> 00:25:27.590
>> During that period, we had the area
00:25:27.600 --> 00:25:29.029
stations. We had the holdovers were
00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:29.909
closed.
00:25:29.919 --> 00:25:31.510
>> So, we had to go down to the justice
00:25:31.520 --> 00:25:32.789
center and book
00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:33.669
>> everyone. Yeah.
00:25:33.679 --> 00:25:35.510
>> That's from South Patrol, Central, North
00:25:35.520 --> 00:25:35.909
Patrol.
00:25:35.919 --> 00:25:37.830
>> Yeah. And in that little It wasn't even
00:25:37.840 --> 00:25:40.310
a room. It was a like cubicle with just
00:25:40.320 --> 00:25:42.549
one or two computers and the right one
00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:44.870
never worked. And
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>> yeah, it was very
00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:48.789
>> Yeah, it was it was a wild time to be.
00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:50.390
>> Then, you know, now that things have
00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:51.750
gotten better, you know, the the
00:25:51.760 --> 00:25:54.230
workhouse demoed, you know, they
00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:55.430
destroyed that.
00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:57.350
>> So, constantly once a week, we're
00:25:57.360 --> 00:25:58.950
getting on, you know, we're coming in
00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:00.789
shift and we hear over the radio that
00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:02.870
the justice center is closed.
00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:03.190
>> Yeah.
00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:03.909
>> You know, yeah.
00:26:03.919 --> 00:26:04.950
>> It's like, what do you mean the justice
00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:06.470
center is closed?
00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:07.990
Were you guys on when the workhouse was
00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:09.830
a thing? Yeah. Okay. I didn't know if
00:26:09.840 --> 00:26:11.269
you were or not, but we used to get that
00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:11.510
was
00:26:11.520 --> 00:26:13.269
>> We used to go there all the time.
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:15.190
>> Used to get calls for inmates and stuff
00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:15.830
like that.
00:26:15.840 --> 00:26:16.710
>> He on people.
00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:18.950
>> I actually it was it was very weird, but
00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:20.789
I ended up having to arrest one of the
00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:22.950
workers there. Um cuz he ended up
00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:25.029
assaulting one of the guys name. I don't
00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:26.549
remember. I don't know if I think it was
00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:28.149
Damon Willis, but I had to call him and
00:26:28.159 --> 00:26:29.590
I'm like, I don't know what to do here.
00:26:29.600 --> 00:26:30.070
>> Yeah.
00:26:30.080 --> 00:26:31.909
>> Because this guy absolutely assaulted
00:26:31.919 --> 00:26:33.750
this inmate.
00:26:33.760 --> 00:26:35.269
So he came up and it was a whole big
00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:36.630
ordeal. We
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:39.750
>> It was a It was I was not sad to see
00:26:39.760 --> 00:26:42.390
that place go. Just it was it was a very
00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:44.149
big It was
00:26:44.159 --> 00:26:45.029
>> It was a headache.
00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:47.510
>> The the the structure the structural
00:26:47.520 --> 00:26:49.350
side of it like we should as district
00:26:49.360 --> 00:26:51.110
cops should not have been they could
00:26:51.120 --> 00:26:53.909
have implemented a city if if the city
00:26:53.919 --> 00:26:55.510
police have to regulate it. They could
00:26:55.520 --> 00:26:56.950
have implemented a
00:26:56.960 --> 00:26:59.590
>> you know three, four, five police
00:26:59.600 --> 00:27:01.350
officers to regulate
00:27:01.360 --> 00:27:02.950
>> something. Yeah. something should have
00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:04.149
>> a little unit or something they could
00:27:04.159 --> 00:27:04.390
have.
00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:06.470
>> I mean, in terms of prisoners, it was a
00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:08.630
good place. I mean, we needed the space,
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:08.870
right?
00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:10.549
>> Yeah. There's probably no doubt that it
00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:12.470
needed renovations or whatever the hell.
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:14.149
I'm sure it was a [ __ ] hole inside
00:27:14.159 --> 00:27:15.269
there. It's jail,
00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:16.710
>> you know, but
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:17.990
>> I'm sure they could have done a little
00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:19.830
upkeep with it and kept it running.
00:27:19.840 --> 00:27:21.029
>> Now, you just have no place for the
00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:22.070
prisoners to go.
00:27:22.080 --> 00:27:22.630
>> Yeah.
00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:24.390
>> You have nothing. There's no place.
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:25.830
>> Yeah. So, you're probably getting a lot
00:27:25.840 --> 00:27:27.909
of those guys that are just getting
00:27:27.919 --> 00:27:31.590
released because of staffing or whatever
00:27:31.600 --> 00:27:33.110
>> to that point, if it's not already.
00:27:33.120 --> 00:27:34.149
Yeah, they're probably going to be
00:27:34.159 --> 00:27:36.310
pushed to start releasing people,
00:27:36.320 --> 00:27:36.549
whatever.
00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:37.990
>> I know there's been a lot of controversy
00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:40.390
in the news about the justice center
00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:42.390
here recently. So,
00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:45.430
>> um yeah, it's uh definitely a mess. It's
00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:46.789
uh hopefully something that will improve
00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:47.190
as well.
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:47.750
>> Sure.
00:27:47.760 --> 00:27:49.590
>> Um but
00:27:49.600 --> 00:27:52.789
>> so, you know, you guys are postco now.
00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:55.750
You guys are pretty from the city
00:27:55.760 --> 00:27:57.909
standpoint once you get like a year on I
00:27:57.919 --> 00:27:59.029
feel like you're
00:27:59.039 --> 00:27:59.510
>> you're in
00:27:59.520 --> 00:28:01.430
>> you're Yeah. You're either
00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:02.789
>> substantiated. You know, you got your
00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:04.070
foothold. You know what you're doing or
00:28:04.080 --> 00:28:07.350
not. But um I mean
00:28:07.360 --> 00:28:09.430
>> the the turnover obviously is a big
00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:10.630
thing. You don't know who you're riding
00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:12.389
with. People go to Well, not really
00:28:12.399 --> 00:28:13.430
anymore. They don't really go to
00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:14.710
specialized units, but you know, people
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:16.789
leave and stuff like that.
00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:19.830
>> Yeah. So, um like how does that how does
00:28:19.840 --> 00:28:21.430
that feel? I mean, you seeing you're
00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:23.830
seeing your co-workers leave, go other
00:28:23.840 --> 00:28:25.350
places, do things like that pretty
00:28:25.360 --> 00:28:27.190
quick. It's it's hard to stick it out
00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:28.230
through all that. It is.
00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:29.909
>> It can be. Yeah, for sure.
00:28:29.919 --> 00:28:32.389
>> I think Yeah. I mean, I think a lot of
00:28:32.399 --> 00:28:34.470
other police officers have an issue with
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:36.630
it, but I like patrol.
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:37.110
>> Yeah.
00:28:37.120 --> 00:28:38.549
>> I can do
00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:39.669
>> what I want.
00:28:39.679 --> 00:28:41.750
>> I cancel the radio. I can investigate
00:28:41.760 --> 00:28:42.389
things. Yeah.
00:28:42.399 --> 00:28:43.990
>> I can chill, you know?
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:45.110
>> Y
00:28:45.120 --> 00:28:46.230
>> that's what I like about it.
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:48.389
>> I loved I love that aspect of patrol as
00:28:48.399 --> 00:28:51.110
well. I couldn't go and run and gun
00:28:51.120 --> 00:28:53.590
every day and mobile or whatever. I
00:28:53.600 --> 00:28:54.710
couldn't do that. I'm not built for
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:55.269
that.
00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:58.710
>> It's uh yeah, a unit like mobile,
00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:01.029
>> I don't know. It it it interested me. I
00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:03.750
won't I'm not going to lie. But it was a
00:29:03.760 --> 00:29:05.750
you know, you go out, chase a car,
00:29:05.760 --> 00:29:07.909
arrest bad guy. It was, you know,
00:29:07.919 --> 00:29:09.750
>> and I'm sure they have days where they
00:29:09.760 --> 00:29:11.190
chill too. Oh, yeah. You know, they're
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:12.950
not doing it every single day. Yeah. But
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:14.230
when we're talking going down to the
00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:15.669
circuit attorney's office, playing on a
00:29:15.679 --> 00:29:16.870
case, arresting a guy, I mean, you're
00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:18.389
doing that back to back to back, that
00:29:18.399 --> 00:29:20.230
that's a drain. That's old.
00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:21.909
>> I don't know if I'd like that.
00:29:21.919 --> 00:29:23.909
>> Well, and you can do like you can Well,
00:29:23.919 --> 00:29:25.269
like you guys have been doing, but
00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:27.190
investigations and stuff like that, like
00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:30.149
you can do that. We pick and choose what
00:29:30.159 --> 00:29:31.350
we want to.
00:29:31.360 --> 00:29:32.870
>> Not that everything isn't important,
00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:34.710
that we don't do everything to a certain
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:35.830
standard, but
00:29:35.840 --> 00:29:38.070
>> you know, sometimes we get a case and
00:29:38.080 --> 00:29:39.110
we'll
00:29:39.120 --> 00:29:41.190
>> work with a sergeant in the detective
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:43.350
bureau and say, "Do you mind if we take
00:29:43.360 --> 00:29:44.710
lead on this?" You know, and we'll
00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:46.470
handle it, you know, we'll clean it up
00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:48.310
and everything. So, yeah, we have those
00:29:48.320 --> 00:29:50.149
options and we can do search warrants.
00:29:50.159 --> 00:29:52.230
We are doing a lot of stuff with animal
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:55.590
abuse right now which really is
00:29:55.600 --> 00:29:57.510
interests me because I feel like you
00:29:57.520 --> 00:29:59.590
know animals in the city are not treated
00:29:59.600 --> 00:30:01.990
well in a lot of cases and they don't
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:03.750
have a voice so I like to be that voice
00:30:03.760 --> 00:30:04.549
for them.
00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:06.070
>> Let's uh let's kind of hop into that.
00:30:06.080 --> 00:30:07.669
You guys are kind of already famous
00:30:07.679 --> 00:30:09.830
before coming on the podcast. So yeah,
00:30:09.840 --> 00:30:11.350
you guys have had a few things going on
00:30:11.360 --> 00:30:13.750
in the news and stuff. So um
00:30:13.760 --> 00:30:15.350
>> let's just let's hop right into it and
00:30:15.360 --> 00:30:18.149
talk about that. Um, you guys had a dog
00:30:18.159 --> 00:30:21.510
that was shot if I'm correct.
00:30:21.520 --> 00:30:24.470
>> Um, was it like a was it on purpose? Was
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:25.590
it a stray bullet? Was it
00:30:25.600 --> 00:30:26.950
>> I don't know. It was It was a holiday
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:28.310
morning. I think it was around Christmas
00:30:28.320 --> 00:30:31.510
time. Um, it was a call for shots fired
00:30:31.520 --> 00:30:34.710
in the Bayen neighborhood. Um,
00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:36.470
I think Officer Landon Jordan got there
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:38.389
first and he he let us know about it.
00:30:38.399 --> 00:30:39.669
But yeah, the dog was there on the
00:30:39.679 --> 00:30:41.350
street. I don't know if somebody just
00:30:41.360 --> 00:30:42.789
was tired of seeing the dog on the
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:43.590
block,
00:30:43.600 --> 00:30:45.750
>> tired of the dog rumaging through trash,
00:30:45.760 --> 00:30:47.750
if tired of the stray dog, whatever. Dog
00:30:47.760 --> 00:30:49.750
was barking early in the morning. I
00:30:49.760 --> 00:30:50.950
don't know. I think someone just went
00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:53.029
out and took a couple shots at it and
00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:55.029
hit it right in the eye uh right below
00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:56.789
the eye and it kind of bounced down,
00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:59.029
clipped the dog's tooth, went through a
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:00.789
little leg, got shot in the butt. I
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:03.350
mean, yeah, the dog Yeah, miracle that
00:31:03.360 --> 00:31:04.870
dog lived.
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:06.710
>> Um,
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:08.310
so what's what's the process kind of
00:31:08.320 --> 00:31:09.669
look like after that? you guys are
00:31:09.679 --> 00:31:11.590
probably contacting
00:31:11.600 --> 00:31:11.830
um
00:31:11.840 --> 00:31:13.590
>> yeah we don't so with cases like that
00:31:13.600 --> 00:31:16.230
when a dog's shot and it's like severe
00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:18.710
we rely on stray rescue familiar with
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:20.950
stray rescue st yeah I mean they're not
00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:22.950
a city entity like they don't you know
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:23.830
what I'm saying they're not controlled
00:31:23.840 --> 00:31:25.510
by the city or anything like that so the
00:31:25.520 --> 00:31:27.669
the range of things they can do is much
00:31:27.679 --> 00:31:29.909
different than animal control
00:31:29.919 --> 00:31:31.830
>> it sucks to say but if you got a dog
00:31:31.840 --> 00:31:33.430
shot three times and you take it to
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:35.110
animal control they don't have the
00:31:35.120 --> 00:31:36.870
resources to
00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:39.509
>> repair the dog bring the dog you
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:40.789
It's unfortunate, but they're they're
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:41.830
just going to have to euthanize it.
00:31:41.840 --> 00:31:43.029
>> They have limitations, you know. They're
00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:44.789
taxf funded. They have limitations. So,
00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:46.630
>> yeah, it's no fault of their own. I
00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:47.750
mean, they're they're doing the best
00:31:47.760 --> 00:31:49.350
with the resources that they can just
00:31:49.360 --> 00:31:51.029
like everybody. Absolutely. You know,
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:52.789
but but yeah, we rush the Dog Straight
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:54.789
Rescue and they're just they're amazing.
00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:58.710
>> Yeah. I um so way back when I think it
00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:01.430
was like probably 18, but I found a dog
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:02.789
down in the basement and I took him down
00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:05.430
took her down to stray rescue
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:08.950
>> and um she was I I kept calling like I
00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:10.070
was I kept calling about her. I was
00:32:10.080 --> 00:32:11.990
like, "Hey, you know, someone someone
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:13.909
adopted her." No, no. So, I finally came
00:32:13.919 --> 00:32:15.029
down there and I adopted her.
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:19.190
>> Oh, that's so I had her for
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:21.430
>> probably about a year and she was out at
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:23.190
my family's farm and she got bit by a
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:25.350
raccoon. Do you guys know what coonhound
00:32:25.360 --> 00:32:26.310
paralysis is?
00:32:26.320 --> 00:32:26.710
>> No.
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:29.350
>> Basically, if they get some raccoons
00:32:29.360 --> 00:32:31.830
carry this disease and it will paralyze
00:32:31.840 --> 00:32:32.630
the dog.
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:33.269
>> Wow.
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:36.549
>> And it was it was very very bad. Um, so
00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:38.070
we ended up having to put her down. But
00:32:38.080 --> 00:32:39.750
that's how I met my wife.
00:32:39.760 --> 00:32:41.590
>> So my wife worked at the vet clinic and
00:32:41.600 --> 00:32:41.909
so
00:32:41.919 --> 00:32:44.549
>> she worked at the not stray rescue where
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:45.110
you're at
00:32:45.120 --> 00:32:47.029
>> back home. So that's how I met my wife.
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:49.269
So Ventura was her name. But
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:50.310
>> she uh
00:32:50.320 --> 00:32:53.029
>> she was she was a little something out
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:53.509
of it.
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>> Oh yeah.
00:32:54.320 --> 00:32:57.350
>> But I uh so dogs are very you know those
00:32:57.360 --> 00:32:59.190
stray dogs up there you can get very
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:00.470
easily attached to them.
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:02.470
>> Yeah. And we do I mean we Yeah. I mean
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:04.549
once a week we're saving a dog whether
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:06.789
it's just finding it on the street or or
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:08.549
whatever it might be.
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:11.269
>> Um yeah it's like once a week probably.
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:12.630
That's a pretty good average.
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:15.509
>> There's so many up there. I feel like um
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:18.470
>> and there a lot in such bad conditions
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:21.269
like bad situations or
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:23.750
>> you know there's there's been I can
00:33:23.760 --> 00:33:25.669
count on just name a few right now. We
00:33:25.679 --> 00:33:27.350
had a dog that was hit by a car.
00:33:27.360 --> 00:33:30.070
Somebody called it in on West Florison.
00:33:30.080 --> 00:33:31.430
>> The call could have went right to animal
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:33.350
control, but we went because the second
00:33:33.360 --> 00:33:35.509
person called and yeah, we ended up
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:37.269
getting that dog. Stray Rescue was
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:38.950
closed, but I called Stray Rescue and
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:40.710
they gave us permission to take the dog
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:43.750
to the ER, which is like very
00:33:43.760 --> 00:33:45.509
specialized and expensive.
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:47.590
>> That dog ended up needing a leg
00:33:47.600 --> 00:33:50.549
amputation. He had to go to Missou and
00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:52.630
have a surgery at their veterinary
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:54.549
school and Stray Rescue take care of all
00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:57.750
of it. And we had another dog uh got hit
00:33:57.760 --> 00:33:59.190
by a car or got countless.
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:00.710
>> Yeah. Just it's over and over again.
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:03.029
It's just the
00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:04.710
I don't if it's just the community if
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:07.430
they just irresponsible dog ownership. I
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:09.909
mean it's that's not having secured
00:34:09.919 --> 00:34:12.629
backyards. It's some I've met people who
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:14.790
just think it's cool that their dog goes
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:17.349
and roams the block, you know, like oh
00:34:17.359 --> 00:34:19.190
my dog's just down the block visiting
00:34:19.200 --> 00:34:20.629
his friend. No.
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:22.629
>> Like what are we doing? Well, especially
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:24.310
up there because you meet you meet so
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:25.589
many people that have the dogs, but then
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:26.950
there's other people that are like
00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:28.310
scared.
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:30.069
>> Like more so than a normal human being
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:31.510
and they'll they'll just shoot them.
00:34:31.520 --> 00:34:33.430
>> Yes. And then well on the other end you
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:35.349
have dogs who up there that will
00:34:35.359 --> 00:34:36.950
literally be on the streets for so long
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:39.190
they're so hungry they're starving. Um
00:34:39.200 --> 00:34:41.909
they get, you know, they're pissed off,
00:34:41.919 --> 00:34:43.990
right? And then they join a pack with
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:45.510
other dogs. So you have like a wild pack
00:34:45.520 --> 00:34:47.669
of dogs out there and they will attack
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:49.270
people. They will start attacking kids.
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:50.790
I mean it's a major problem. It's
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:52.389
because they were failed by humans. They
00:34:52.399 --> 00:34:53.829
were failed by humans, you know.
00:34:53.839 --> 00:34:57.030
>> No fault of the dog, you know. It's just
00:34:57.040 --> 00:34:59.510
terrible, you know, irresponsible dog
00:34:59.520 --> 00:35:00.390
ownership.
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:03.670
>> Yeah. It's uh it's it's kind of crazy up
00:35:03.680 --> 00:35:05.510
there. Like I remember seeing packs of
00:35:05.520 --> 00:35:09.190
dogs roaming and stuff like that. So, um
00:35:09.200 --> 00:35:09.670
>> yeah, it's
00:35:09.680 --> 00:35:11.910
>> but with that, we've have a really good
00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:13.589
relationship kind of we're getting there
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:15.910
with with animal control. So, they've
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:18.069
been sending us a lot of uh
00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:20.230
>> animal abuse cases, you know. Oh, I mean
00:35:20.240 --> 00:35:22.069
more serious than others. I mean, not
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:24.150
like dog off a leash and stuff like
00:35:24.160 --> 00:35:26.310
that, but like actual animal abuse cases
00:35:26.320 --> 00:35:27.750
that we've gotten a lot of charges
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:30.310
issued for felonies on it, saving the
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:32.790
dog and all that good stuff or cat, too.
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:33.829
Um,
00:35:33.839 --> 00:35:35.510
>> but yeah, that's something we love and I
00:35:35.520 --> 00:35:37.750
think everyone should find something
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:39.670
they like and try to pursue it.
00:35:39.680 --> 00:35:41.990
>> I think that's that's very important um
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:44.069
in that job especially like you know,
00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:46.310
you can you can do everything in patrol.
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:48.790
So, um finding your little
00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:49.829
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:49.839 --> 00:35:51.829
>> Nick and the, you know, in in patrol.
00:35:51.839 --> 00:35:53.910
Um, mine was kind of a little bit of
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:55.030
everything, but I really got like
00:35:55.040 --> 00:35:56.310
attached to
00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:58.150
>> some of the drugs and stuff and stuff
00:35:58.160 --> 00:36:00.150
like that, just knowing how that game
00:36:00.160 --> 00:36:02.630
kind of worked. So, that was a big big
00:36:02.640 --> 00:36:04.470
deal of mine and allowed me to apply for
00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:06.870
DEI and stuff. But,
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:09.910
>> um, this just finding that as a patrol
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:12.069
officer to kind of hone in on in a city
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:14.790
is very easy to do and should be done.
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:17.510
>> You get a lot of good cases from Lee
00:36:17.520 --> 00:36:19.829
running down you know, like animal abuse
00:36:19.839 --> 00:36:21.670
stuff or whatever. You know, the usually
00:36:21.680 --> 00:36:23.109
people who are mistreating animals,
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:24.470
they're probably not they're doing other
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:25.430
[ __ ] you know,
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:27.430
>> most most crimes lead to other crimes.
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:29.030
>> Yes. I mean, they're not the best of
00:36:29.040 --> 00:36:31.270
humans if they're just beating up a dog,
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:32.950
you know. So,
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:35.589
>> yeah, I've had I've I've talked to a few
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:37.349
officers, you know, that have joined the
00:36:37.359 --> 00:36:39.190
city, like younger officers, and I I've
00:36:39.200 --> 00:36:40.550
told them that before. You know, most
00:36:40.560 --> 00:36:42.310
crimes will lead to other crimes. Your
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:44.390
car clottings downtown, those guys are
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:46.630
doing more than just that kind of stuff,
00:36:46.640 --> 00:36:49.349
you know. So absolutely. Um I think it's
00:36:49.359 --> 00:36:50.950
important to remember that as a young
00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:51.510
officer.
00:36:51.520 --> 00:36:54.150
>> Yeah. I mean even when Jessica she used
00:36:54.160 --> 00:36:57.030
to do the um drinking in public a lot.
00:36:57.040 --> 00:36:57.829
>> Oh yeah. Yeah.
00:36:57.839 --> 00:36:59.349
>> Yeah. I mean even doing those summones
00:36:59.359 --> 00:37:01.270
or furs and stuff like that. It it leads
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:02.230
to so much more.
00:37:02.240 --> 00:37:04.150
>> Yeah. We'd have a guy in cuffs and he'd
00:37:04.160 --> 00:37:05.829
like take off running all of a sudden on
00:37:05.839 --> 00:37:08.150
delp, you know, it's cuz he has a whole
00:37:08.160 --> 00:37:10.069
nut sack full of ecstasy. So of course
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:11.510
he's running because he's getting a
00:37:11.520 --> 00:37:13.109
ticket for drinking in public. He knows
00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:14.790
we're about to find that. And those guys
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:16.790
probably if you know they didn't have
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:17.990
drugs or something, they probably knew
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:19.349
what was going on in the block and they
00:37:19.359 --> 00:37:20.150
could probably tell you.
00:37:20.160 --> 00:37:21.510
>> Exactly. Yeah, we found out a lot of
00:37:21.520 --> 00:37:22.230
stuff like that.
00:37:22.240 --> 00:37:25.109
>> Like a a homicide happens in that block
00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:26.870
or whatever. I mean, detectives,
00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:29.030
homicide detectives will look into furs
00:37:29.040 --> 00:37:30.710
in that area and then track down those
00:37:30.720 --> 00:37:32.950
people that were furred and then get
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:34.550
information from them about cuz they're
00:37:34.560 --> 00:37:35.670
always out there. They're out there
00:37:35.680 --> 00:37:36.870
sitting on the block drinking. They know
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:39.270
what's going on. I remember uh I had
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:41.190
Aaron Webster on here a while back
00:37:41.200 --> 00:37:43.030
>> and he told me that one of the biggest
00:37:43.040 --> 00:37:45.510
things that he thought
00:37:45.520 --> 00:37:47.349
that the city was kind of missing out on
00:37:47.359 --> 00:37:50.390
as policing goes was footbeats
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:51.750
>> especially up north because he said he
00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:53.109
remembered as a young officer doing foot
00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:54.390
beats and stuff and
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:56.069
>> he's like I would just meet so many
00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:58.630
people just you know and he's like they
00:37:58.640 --> 00:38:00.310
always started off better if I was on
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:02.470
foot versus pulling up on them in a car.
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:04.310
>> Yeah. The intimidation a little bit.
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:04.710
Yeah,
00:38:04.720 --> 00:38:06.310
>> makes sense. So
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:07.990
>> um yeah, that's a that's a big thing.
00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:09.670
Now obviously you guys probably don't
00:38:09.680 --> 00:38:11.109
have a whole lot of time to do that now
00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:13.750
with manpower and stuff like that, but
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:17.030
>> um yeah, it's definitely that casual
00:38:17.040 --> 00:38:19.030
conversations with people and stuff like
00:38:19.040 --> 00:38:22.790
that is definitely a a segue into other
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:25.270
things. Yeah, we we have a lady in
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:27.270
Walnut Park um that we actually met
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:31.510
through an animal abuse situation,
00:38:31.520 --> 00:38:33.430
>> strangely enough, but um our
00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:36.069
investigation led us back to her,
00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:38.710
>> not for not as as a suspect of the
00:38:38.720 --> 00:38:41.030
animal abuse. She she has become a very
00:38:41.040 --> 00:38:42.710
good friend of ours where we go to her
00:38:42.720 --> 00:38:45.190
house for meals and she gets us
00:38:45.200 --> 00:38:47.190
Christmas presents and
00:38:47.200 --> 00:38:48.870
>> her dog had a birthday party. She
00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:51.670
invited us, you know, and
00:38:51.680 --> 00:38:53.510
>> there are times when she knows what's
00:38:53.520 --> 00:38:54.870
going on, you know.
00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:56.630
>> Yeah, there's a lot of good people up
00:38:56.640 --> 00:38:58.310
there still and they're they're willing
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:00.470
to treat you right, you know, as long as
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:01.750
you give them a little bit of time.
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:04.069
Yeah. So, yeah, if you pe officers,
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:05.430
young officers got back to the foot
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:07.109
beats and just talking to people. I
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:08.069
mean, of course, you're going to go down
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:09.349
a block and talk to someone and they're
00:39:09.359 --> 00:39:11.349
going to tell you to f off, you know,
00:39:11.359 --> 00:39:13.750
>> but that's not everyone. And I've had to
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:15.030
learn that myself, too.
00:39:15.040 --> 00:39:19.510
>> Oh, yeah. 100%. Yeah. We uh I remember I
00:39:19.520 --> 00:39:21.910
think it was like 19.
00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:24.230
>> Maybe maybe it was 21, but we were we
00:39:24.240 --> 00:39:26.230
were doing a couple foot beats like on
00:39:26.240 --> 00:39:27.430
um
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:29.670
>> the like college and Carter area, stuff
00:39:29.680 --> 00:39:31.270
like that. We were looking for a couple
00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:32.630
guys over there. So,
00:39:32.640 --> 00:39:34.310
>> we were we were pretty prevalent in that
00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:37.270
area. So, um, it definitely, you know,
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:40.150
it worked out sometimes, but,
00:39:40.160 --> 00:39:42.710
um, other than that though, guys, I
00:39:42.720 --> 00:39:46.630
mean, you guys got anything else to add?
00:39:46.640 --> 00:39:48.790
>> U, I just like when young officers come
00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:50.470
on, don't
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:52.470
>> think that patrol is like a bad place to
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:54.150
be. Like, just goes back to what we've
00:39:54.160 --> 00:39:56.790
been talking about. It's I feel like we
00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:59.190
should be treated better in patrol,
00:39:59.200 --> 00:40:01.829
>> but it is not a bad place to be at all.
00:40:01.839 --> 00:40:02.069
>> Yeah.
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:04.069
>> Yeah. Get comfortable there. And you
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:04.390
know,
00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:05.670
>> everyone thinks they can just come out
00:40:05.680 --> 00:40:07.670
the academy and jump into to SWAT and
00:40:07.680 --> 00:40:09.589
booting indoors, but it's like that's
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:10.790
totally unrealistic.
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:13.190
>> I've uh my eyes have been very wide open
00:40:13.200 --> 00:40:15.190
since, you know, I medically retired and
00:40:15.200 --> 00:40:18.069
everything, but uh I've talked to a few
00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:19.750
of the upper chain of command and stuff
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:22.630
like that, and if you don't think that
00:40:22.640 --> 00:40:25.190
they don't know what's going on patrol,
00:40:25.200 --> 00:40:26.550
when I say upper chain of command, I
00:40:26.560 --> 00:40:27.829
mean lieutenants and stuff like that,
00:40:27.839 --> 00:40:29.030
these specialized units, they're keeping
00:40:29.040 --> 00:40:31.990
an eye on you guys. Um, I've talked to
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:33.910
several guys, you know, down at DEI,
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:34.870
stuff like that. They're like, "Yeah, we
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:35.990
were always keeping an eye on your
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:37.750
platoon." Like, you had a lot of hard
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:40.230
hard working cops there. So, and the
00:40:40.240 --> 00:40:41.750
sixth district does. So,
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:42.390
>> for sure.
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:44.550
>> Um, yeah. I mean,
00:40:44.560 --> 00:40:47.190
>> that's very good thing to think about.
00:40:47.200 --> 00:40:48.630
>> Yeah. If you can if you can master
00:40:48.640 --> 00:40:51.190
patrol, you can you can do anything.
00:40:51.200 --> 00:40:52.710
>> Absolutely.
00:40:52.720 --> 00:40:54.390
>> Well, guys, thanks for coming on.
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:56.470
>> Thanks for having us. Thank you. Good to
00:40:56.480 --> 00:41:00.359
see you. Good to see you guys.
