Brunch Boxing Postfight: Hrgovic STOPS Itauma

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Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, good
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night, wherever you are in the world. This is
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Brunch Boxing. I'm your host, Matt. With the
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post -fight edition of Brunch Boxing, Filip Hergovic
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comes back from the depths of hell to stop Moses
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Itama and capture the IBF Heavyweight Championship.
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in what was one of the fights of the year what
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an excellent excellent victory by philip hergovich
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going into this fight we said that there were
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a lot of questions that needed answers one of
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those questions was what happens when moses atama
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gets taken into deep waters This morning on Brunch
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Boxing, I had a feeling that he would get drowned.
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So he got taken into deep waters and he got drowned.
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I mean, there's no other way around it. This
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fight, this fight reminds me so much of Anthony
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Joshua versus Vladimir Klitschko. And insofar
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as Joshua started well, but Klitschko withstood
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the onslaught and came on in the middle of the
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fight and Joshua was flopping around the ring.
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And I, till this day, steadfast believe, and
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I've been saying it for years, that Anthony Joshua
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should have been stopped in that fight against
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Klitschko. because he was literally flopping
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all over the ring. He could not continue. But
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the British referee wouldn't stop it. Joshua
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was able to come back and get a nice British
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stoppage against Vladimir Klitschko. Today, Moses
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Atama came out guns a -blazin' like we knew he
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would. But Hergovich stayed the course. He stayed
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the course. And in round four, I said to myself,
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Hergovich looks fresh. Atama is breathing out
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of his mouth. I noted in between rounds that
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every time Hergovich was up and centering, Atama
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was still in his corner, sitting down. These
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are the kind of things that you have to know.
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When it's a heavyweight boxing match, because
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a lot of times heavyweight is a war of attrition.
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And Herkovich was coming on. He kept coming on.
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It felt like Atama had his last stand in about
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round eight. And he was throwing his punches,
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balls to the wall. He couldn't get him out of
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there. And he punched himself out. And then he
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got punched out. I want to bring in a special
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guest. Usually I don't start with a special guest
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right away, but one of my guys is here. My guy,
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he's a former writer. Now he is boxing everything.
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Superman and boxing. My guy, Kenneth Buhari of
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PBC. What's going on, KB? I'm just looking for
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Ezra. Is he here? He is not here. Listen, once
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things started going the wrong way, Ezra disappeared.
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Get in line. I'm not surprised. I don't know
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if you had a chance to listen to the show this
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morning. I caught part of it. I caught the first
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half and then I had to run. But, you know, I
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was going to say I had an interesting talk with
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a boxing writer I respect, you know, earlier
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today about this fight. Someone who I've been
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talking to for months about this kid who I think
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is very talented. But hasn't been tested. And
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I remember last time I was on the space, last
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time he was brought up, I was just looking at
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his body type. I'm like, somebody's got to make
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this kid go some rounds. And let's see what he's
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got. Because his hands look good, but his body,
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I don't know. It just never elicited optimism
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from me. And so I think by round five, he looked
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gassed. Credit to Hergovich for surviving, first
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of all, because it is a brutal onslaught that
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he puts on you in those couple rounds. But you
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kind of saw what happened in the later rounds.
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Like I said, I just think when we crown these
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kids too soon and don't let them develop, and
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I think he almost got pushed too soon. I don't
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know if there's a kind of mid -tier heavyweight
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that he could have gone some rounds with before.
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Just looking at his body shape, and it's kind
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of similar to mine. And to me, if you're that
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young and you look like that, you know, unless
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you're David Benavidez, I'm sorry, I'm not buying.
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You know, it was kind of similar in the way that
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he was pushed, similar to what Frank Warren did
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with Anthony Yard, where he thought that he died
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of cans and then jumped him to championship level
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right away. Yeah. And that never worked out for
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Anthony Yard. I don't know. I just thought that
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it was too much too soon for Atama. I said it
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right away when the fight was announced. Obviously,
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I picked Hergovich this morning at plus 540.
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I'm like, there's money on the floor today. Because
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I just think that the experience Hergovich had,
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the way Atama was acting during fight week, which
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was out of character for him. He's usually well
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-reserved and quiet. And he's pushing people
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off the stage. And he's all in his face. I'm
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like, this is not Atama. be too big for him.
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He bought into his own hype. Honestly, I thought
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he'd be too fast. I thought Hergovich would be
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too slow for him, but what I've been telling
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that boxing reporter, let's see this kid go some
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rounds. It's all fun and games when you score
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knockouts in the first few rounds, but let's
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see this kid go some rounds and see what he's
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made of. It's been a long time since I've seen
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somebody that tired. Good Lord, it was what,
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round nine? Yeah, I'm telling you. He was tired.
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reminded me of Anthony Joshua against Klitschko
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when he was flopping all over the ring. Yeah,
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I mean, Joshua, at least, you know, I wouldn't,
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that was Klitschko, not Hergovich, you know.
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A glaring to the, you know, older, inactive Klitschko,
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but still, that was a Hall of Fame fighter. But
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to be that exhausted that early, he was breathing
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heavy in round five. Yeah, I noticed in round
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four that his mouth was wide open. Yeah, and
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I was like, oh, this is going to get interesting.
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This is going to get interesting. I made sure
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I noted that in round four. And of course, my
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guy, Ty, said, oh, you just hating. I'm like,
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bro, I'm just telling you what I see. I'm just
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telling you what I see. Yeah, you can see it.
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You can see the inexperience and so forth. But
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Ezra's here. I'm going to give way to a man who,
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like Atama, is very talented, but still green.
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Ezra, take it away. I appreciate that intro.
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I'm going to tell you straight now. I was already
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lied about by Matt. Hey, do me a favor. Swallow
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your food, bro. As soon as the fight started,
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I went and watched the fight myself. Now, the
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one thing I said was... Ezra, please swallow
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your food. If you need me to vamp while you eat,
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do that. Do not interrupt me. This is a dark
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day for me in boxing. Oh, you better believe
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it. Okay, now, Lord. Remember, Richard Torres
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didn't win today. So if we're going to hear a
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bunch of, oh, I told you they were the same as
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Richard Torres. Please. Same shit. Same shit.
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What happened with Richard Torres? Last time
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when Richard Torres lost, you guys said, well,
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most of Tama didn't win today. Yeah, but you
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still were celebrating. I'm not high on Richard
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Torres at all. I'm not high on Richard Torres
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at all. Yeah, you were high on Tama instead.
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Right. I was, and you know what? I still am.
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I feel it. He could do something for sure. He'll
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be back. He's got to train, though. Like, what
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is he doing in the gym? Listen, there's some
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cardio issues there. Like we said, the one thing
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I said with this fight is we got to see that
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second half. What is that going to look like?
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Is he going to fall off a cliff? Which he literally
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did. I don't think I've ever seen anyone that
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tired since Klitschko versus Brewster. I don't
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think anyone. It was pretty bad. Yeah, I'm waiting
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to them say that they put too much Vaseline on
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his pores. He couldn't breathe. I'm waiting for
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some kind of excuse like that. I've never seen
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a guy this exhausted, and they stopped the fight
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out of exhaustion. Like, he was literally exhausted.
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When he went for that finish at the end, which
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is one of the crucial mistakes if you have a
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gas tank issue, going for that at the end. I
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mean, I said, oh, well, shit, this guy's going
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to come on now. This guy's experience is going
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to come on now. That's exactly what happened.
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What a huge mistake. I liked everything I saw
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up until when he got tired, though. I'll tell
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you what, Ezra. Honestly, if it would have happened,
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been around later. You know what I mean? If he
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hadn't done that, because he was fading. I don't
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think so. He's got little legs and he's top heavy
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and his top is not muscle. Yeah, yeah. Inexperienced,
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too, at that level. Yeah, definitely inexperienced.
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He was missing way too many wide shots. Sometimes
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you gotta be like, you know, control it. Because
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he was tired. The thing is, he was already hitting
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a wall in round five, and then he hit a second
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one in round eight. It wasn't gonna get as good.
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Now, if they rematch that fight, I would still
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pick a Tama in the rematch. I would pick a Tama
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in the rematch. I'm still high on this guy, really
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high on him. But that is now going to be a thing.
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Is the pace going to be an issue? And is cardio
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going to be an issue? And is there a next level
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of cardio that he can... take him. Yeah, I think
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so. You can tell by his body shape that there's
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a next level of cardio. If Atama does not get
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an entirely new management team who knows what
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the fuck they're doing with a fighter like that,
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it's going to be the same shit again later on
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because They have no fucking idea. I've said
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this before on here. Matt knows. Like most people,
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I thought Atama would win today, but this is
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not how you build a talent like Atama. He's been
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built wrong from the very beginning. It's fucking
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idiotic that a 21 -year -old kid had two fights
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in 2025. He's either behind the scenes, lazy
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as fuck, and doesn't want to fight, or they don't
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know what they're doing. There is a formula for
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guys like this. It has worked for 100 years.
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You line up tomato cans. one after the other,
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and you keep them active, and you put it in their
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head over and over again that they're going to
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knock everybody out, and then you mix in some
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veterans, and you mix in some people that can
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take them rounds, and then eventually you have
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a killer. It worked for Mike. It worked for Joe
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Lewis and at other levels. It worked for Ernie
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Shavers early in his career. Deontay Wilder.
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It worked for Deontay Wilder. It worked for George
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Foreman, too. It worked for George Foreman. Go
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look at George Foreman's first 40 fights. There's
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like six guys in those first 40 fights that could
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actually fight. The rest of them were all fucking
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garbage, but it didn't matter because he knocked
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out 38 of them. Deontay Wilder barely fought
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anybody with a pulse for 30 fights. Guess what?
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When it was time for him to accelerate, he had
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the confidence level and his technique down that
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he could knock people out, and eventually he
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ran into somebody better. And that's okay. It
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happened to Foreman. It happened to Wilder. That's
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how you build guys like that. You don't fucking
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sit on them and run them twice a year. They will
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never develop. You know what, Cliff? I got to
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tell you, because you're 100 % accurate, though.
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I don't know if it's entirely on the management,
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because my big concern with Moses is the time
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I'm looking at him in the ring every time. He's
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soft. Yeah, he looks soft. He doesn't look like
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he... Yeah, he looks soft. But again, how do
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you counteract... And he's 21. But how do you
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counteract that, too? The way you counteract...
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Keep him busy. You keep him busy. You keep his
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ass in the gym all the time. Like, how did they
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keep Riddick Bowe from turning into a giant fat
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ass on the way to Evander Holyfield? They made
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him fight all the time because as soon as you
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gave him five months off, he ate himself out
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of the heavyweight championship of the world.
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Yep. Absolutely. Some guys have to fight all
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the time. They have to be motivated to fight.
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They have to have a target. Yeah, they'd rather
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eat and have a good time. I got ready to say
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I was right. About what? Hold on, hold on, hold
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on, hold on, hold on. Let me give you a proper
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introduction. Nobody knows who the hell you are.
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No, no, no, no, no. Let me give you a proper
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introduction. No, no, introductions don't even
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matter at this point. No, we good. I don't even
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need it. We don't even need all that. Somebody's
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happy. Listen, go follow Peter Colesport. Go
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follow Peter Colesport, my guy. Fellow heavyweight
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connoisseur. Former actual professional heavyweight.
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Left you out of the late, great George Foreman.
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My guy, George Foreman. What's going on, Foreman?
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Hey, look. I think I'm enrolled. We chose the
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time of the week. But I know I'm on visible record.
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Hold on. I got to mute you. I got to mute you.
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Hold the fuck on. What is going on? Hold the
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fuck on. Did you just come on in here and say,
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y 'all want to say I'm right, but then you picked
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the time of the win? Oh, for sure. Come on. For
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sure, because I was on others' page. Hey, listen.
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I'm going to tell you guys something. There's
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only one person. On this program right now, that
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picked Hergovich to win, and that's me, the host.
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That's not true. But I was right about how Moses
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got moved. Let me say that. I thought the fight
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was going to go the distance, and I didn't think
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that. Oh, come on, man. This fight had no chance
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to go the distance. What are you talking about?
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For sure. I didn't think that Moses could hold
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that speed at the whole time. Now, as far as
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my critiques of Moses, everything I said, I said
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they moved him like Edgar Belanger in the first
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18, and that's the wrong way to move a heavyweight,
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for sure. You had, like, Roe brought up, my uncle
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fought out of the 42 fights, what was it? Like
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he said, 36 of them was, boy, who the hell was
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it? You don't even know, right? And then one
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of those fights, you put George Shavalo, a known
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man who can stand up to something. But he's not
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going to. If you like that, you're going to beat
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him. Well, and they got him rounds, and they
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got him quality rounds with that little light
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heavyweight from Argentina. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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yeah, yeah. I know exactly. I can't think of
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the name. He fought him twice. He was an excellent
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light heavyweight. He was the number one contender
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at one point. Fought for the light. Like, he
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was good. Wasn't good enough to win the title.
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Wasn't good enough to win the title, yeah. In
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the first fight, and then the second fight, George
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accelerated. They got him somebody that couldn't
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hurt him, but that could give him rounds so he
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could learn. That's how you do this shit. Correct.
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The formula has never changed for him. One other
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thing I want to point out real quick, Matt, is
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that, and I don't know if anybody else noticed
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it too, but, I mean, because... Look, he looked
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fantastic early on. And I don't know if you rematch,
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for instance. I don't know if Hergavit beats
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him in a rematch. But one thing I want to point
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out, one flaw that I noticed for Southpaw to
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me that was troubling is, boy, he gets hit by
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the jab a lot, doesn't he? Absolutely. I don't
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know if the announcers were catching that play.
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Absolutely. But he was catching jab after jab
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after jab. Here's the thing, KB, and I said this
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on the show this morning. the guy does not move
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his head. You can't tell me that you're going
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to push someone off a stage and they are able
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to slap you without you even flinching. That
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means you ain't seen a punch coming. That means
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you ain't seen a punch coming. Ain't no way,
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boy. The main thing, one of the things he did
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is unfortunately very bad as well. And you can't
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do this as a heavyweight. When he tries to do
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the shoulder roll, he does not pick up his shoulder.
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He just leans his head over and then his face
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is still exposed. First of all, a heavyweight
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cannot be doing a shoulder roll. A heavyweight
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should not be. Hergevich did exactly what he
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did. He was swinging wide hooks at first, and
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then he tightened up, and he shortened it. He
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took the elbow, and he hit it inside. You can
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integrate it as a part of your overall defense,
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but you shouldn't be solely relying on it like
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Itama is. Itama tries to do it as his sole form
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of defense. And I want to point this out real
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quick, because about 10 years ago, when I was
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head of the Bomb Squad, defending the honor of
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Deontay Wilder every day in British boxing groups.
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I made a list of select great heavyweights of
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all time, right? And how many fights they had
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until they got their first title shot. George
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Foreman had 38 fights. Joe Frazier, 25 fights.
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Lennox Lewis, 31 fights. Larry Holmes, 28 fights.
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Mike Tyson, 28 fights. Riddick Bowe, 32 fights.
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Rocky Marciano, 43 fights. Joe Lewis, 33 fights.
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Vladimir Klitschko, 36 fights. And Vitaly Klitschko,
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34 fights. You are supposed to build. the heavyweights.
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You build them. You keep them busy. You keep
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them smashing things. You keep them confident.
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Like Cliff said, you have to keep the ball rolling.
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I've always said that the problem with Anthony
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Joshua is that he became Anthony Joshua the business
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before he was able to develop as Anthony Joshua
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the fighter. And he started fighting two times
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a year when he should have been fighting four
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and five times a year just to keep developing.
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And for some reason, Moses Otama was only fighting
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two times a year at 21 years old. You cannot
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do that. You can't develop, forget about it,
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just heavyweights. You can't develop any fighter
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like that. Amen. What's up, Truth? Hey, man,
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I got a couple things, man. So, number one, you
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a bad motherfucker. Because yesterday we was
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having that conversation, and you definitely...
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You definitely picked Hergevich. And then number
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two, as we're pointing out things, when we was
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in a space yesterday, I told y 'all that during
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that interview, he said some weird shit. They
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asked him about how he was feeling physically
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and mentally. And then he said, I ain't really
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doing that good mentally. And he was like, physically,
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I'm good enough to be him. You know what I'm
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saying? So at that point, you could kind of tell
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Moses wasn't taking this shit serious. I think,
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you know, a lot of times, like, people like to,
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like, throw out, like, oh, the stage is too big.
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But I think, like, that's part of exactly what
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happened tonight. I think that motherfucker adrenaline
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was running backstage waiting to come out. You
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heard the national anthem, all of the fucking
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everybody yelling and screaming. And he came
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out in the first round like it was the fucking
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12th round. You know what I'm saying? And he
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gradually got slower and slower. I hear you and
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KB talking about the fourth and the fifth. If
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you look at that motherfucker sitting on that
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in the corner in the third round, he was gassed.
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In the third he was breathing heavy and shit
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fumbling with the mouthpiece all of that shit,
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bro his corner trash That shit was horrible.
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Like, they shouldn't have let him come out that
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fast. They should have told him to stay on his
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jab. He probably could have won a decision had
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he would have fought slow and just kept the center
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ring, kept jabbing and shit like that. But I
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think that was more so his corner, his fucking
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adrenaline, and he came out at 100 miles an hour.
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What makes you think he's capable of going 12
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rounds? He's never gone past six rounds in his
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whole career. No, no, but what I'm saying is,
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Matt, at least he could have paced himself early.
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He didn't even try to, that motherfucker came
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out like he was ready to stop him. Well, that's
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what happens when you're used to zero resistance.
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One of the big questions going into this fight
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about Mojo Satama is what is going to happen
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when he faces resistance? What's going to happen
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when he faces someone that's going to punch him
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back? What's going to happen when he faces someone?
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that can take his shot and be durable and still
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keep coming. And we saw what happened. He could
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not make it through the fight. I didn't think
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there was any way this fight was ever going to
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go 12 rounds. I went on the over. The over was
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six and a half. I won on that. And then I took
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Herdivik by KO, which was plus 700. And I ate
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on that, too. We about to go out to the steakhouse.
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And that's the difference that you see. I mean,
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people talk about how Mike Tyson, you know, as
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soon as he met resistance, fell apart. That's
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a myth, right? It's not true. Mike saw resistance
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before he got to the title because he had to
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go the route with Mitch Green. And he had the
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Jose Robalta fight where he was in a fight. He
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got tagged hard by Tony Tucker and had to outbox
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Tony Tucker, who was seven inches taller than
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him. Deontay Wilder was built appropriately.
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And when he finally had to bite down in the Ortiz
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fight, in the first Ortiz fight, we got a classic,
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right? Because he was ready for the moment. You
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have to build these guys appropriately. It's
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just the level of malpractice that was on screen
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tonight is just epic. It's everything wrong with
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boxing in 2026. And truth, I think you make a
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good point about pacing himself. But one thing
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I'll say is, like I said, he got stopped in the
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ninth. I'm not sure it would really matter. I
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mean, Hrvats was starting to push him. There
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was one more point where Hrvats pushed him to
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the ropes. Yeah, I was going to say, he pushed
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him off of him. Yep, that was the sign right
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there. Yeah, Hrvats was really starting to push
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him back. The kid's just got to get in better
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shape. Whether it's more active, he's just got
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to get in better shape. I just think it came
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off hot, though, KB. If you wouldn't have came
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off so hot, maybe it wouldn't have looked like
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that later on. But, you know, possibly. I think
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it's both. I think he needs to pace himself better
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and he needs to be in better shape. And that
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stage was too big. That stage was too big for
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him, bro. Oh, yeah, that too. So what Moses Osama
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needs to do is change the entire way that he
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fights? No, but I'm saying, I mean, when you
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fight, you ain't going to fucking run through
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everybody like you would have bought a knife.
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Don't throw haymakers at a guy that's still fucking
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throwing heat back at you. And another thing,
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and another thing, that motherfucker don't got
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no change up. Everything is with 100%, bro. He
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don't got no throwaway punches, no none of that
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shit. That motherfucker throw everything like
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he trying to stop you. Because he hasn't been
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developed as a fighter yet. No, no, I agree with
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you, Matt. But I'm saying, okay, if you have
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a head coach and you have a trainer and you got
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people in the gym with you, at least, hey, come
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out, establish a jab. The nigga came out like
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he was in the 12th round of the fight, bro. And
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again, and I think the whole national anthem,
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the singing, bro, he was second, third round,
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he was done. In the third round, the motherfucker
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was, he was done. He was gassed. I want to bring
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in my guy from the KO corner, my man, Trel Clinton.
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What's going on, Trel? Hey, man. Like a lot of
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other people on this panel, I was of the belief
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that Tom was going to pull it out. In reality,
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what happened here is it looks like, one, he
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was tired. He blew his load early. Pause. He
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was very active, right? Throwing a lot of shots,
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but... Not a lot of jabs other than the stab
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jab to the body. A lot of shots were power shots.
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Looked like he fell in love with the power. There
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were several times where he had Hergovich where
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he looked like he could have followed up with
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a shot and actually potentially hurt Hergovich.
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But he didn't because he was throwing a lot of
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haymakers. He looked more like a lover, not a
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fighter. He has to fix that. Like, you don't
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look the part. of a fighter. I know you're a
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heavyweight fighter, but, bro, you got T -Mac
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legs and your upper body, it looks like you just,
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you know, you sparred a train. You know, we heard
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legendary sparring stories about you, but you
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ran out of gas. Just get your cardio together.
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You know what I'm saying? Sometimes that's all
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you need in order to get through a fight. That
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and a better corner. Much, Popster Hergovich,
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I... Never really thought of him. I'll be honest,
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I still really don't. I mean, the better man
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won tonight. He had a better game plan, executed,
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and pulled off the fight. If they rematch, is
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anyone picking Urgovich in the rematch? I will.
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Yeah. You gotta consider it for sure. You're
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not giving that to Atama. Like I said, he was
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getting pieced up by the jab early and throughout.
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Herkovich had the timing on him with that slap
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before the fight even started. Before we talk
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about a rematch, I just want to point out that
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this was a vacant title shot for the IBF. This
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wasn't no, hey, some voluntary. And next up in
00:25:29.319 --> 00:25:33.500
line is Frank Sanchez. Frank Sanchez. That's
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a good fight. That's a good fight. I'm taking
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Frank Sanchez. Don't trip on that. I'm taking
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Frank. We're about to have a Cuban heavyweight
00:25:40.359 --> 00:25:43.079
champion. I was about to say, we finna finally
00:25:43.079 --> 00:25:45.700
have one, without a doubt. Hey, listen, I don't
00:25:45.700 --> 00:25:48.759
know what Samson's relationship is with Keith
00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:52.660
Connolly, who's Hergovich's manager, but God
00:25:52.660 --> 00:25:54.920
damn it, let's get this fight going. It's finna
00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:58.799
be good now. That fight will be made. Yeah, let's
00:25:58.799 --> 00:26:01.210
get that fight going. I'll add one more thing
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on Moses, Matt, before we look at the other fights
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that could come up now. There is another heavyweight
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that gasped just this bad a couple of times before
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he learned how to do it the right way. And he
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was developed much better than Atama has been
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because he was kept active. But this happened
00:26:16.789 --> 00:26:19.049
to Vladimir Klitschko twice before he became
00:26:19.049 --> 00:26:21.890
Vladimir Klitschko. Absolutely. Because Vladimir
00:26:21.890 --> 00:26:24.910
Klitschko. did this against Ross Purdy, like
00:26:24.910 --> 00:26:29.049
a worse fighter than Philip. And, uh, and it
00:26:29.049 --> 00:26:30.809
happened in the layman Brewster fight too, where
00:26:30.809 --> 00:26:32.509
it looked like not only did he gas, but he had
00:26:32.509 --> 00:26:36.109
a panic attack in the ring. Um, and don't both
00:26:36.109 --> 00:26:38.109
of those losses. He had to overcome, but Tom
00:26:38.109 --> 00:26:41.369
has got a lot to come back from here. I think
00:26:41.369 --> 00:26:44.289
that, uh, a Tom up to the point where he got
00:26:44.289 --> 00:26:45.869
tired. Like you could see him getting tired as
00:26:45.869 --> 00:26:48.079
the fight went on. Pretty considerably. But I
00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:49.900
thought everything looked good as far as skill,
00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:51.680
ability, and everything. I liked everything I
00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:53.319
saw. That's pretty much what I thought I would
00:26:53.319 --> 00:26:55.880
see in the fight. I think that, you know, Urgovich
00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:57.640
won because he was durable as hell. And he kept
00:26:57.640 --> 00:26:59.299
coming. And he stood in the fight. And he was
00:26:59.299 --> 00:27:01.700
able to withstand, you know, big shots and a
00:27:01.700 --> 00:27:03.500
wave of stuff. And he was able to withstand it.
00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:06.319
I would pick, like I said, I would pick in favor
00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:09.099
of Atama in the rematch. I think that Atama learned
00:27:09.099 --> 00:27:10.819
the most valuable lesson he needed to learn in
00:27:10.819 --> 00:27:12.359
this fight. And if he don't learn from this fight,
00:27:12.460 --> 00:27:13.839
he ain't never going to learn. Yeah, he's got
00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:17.059
to learn how to slip a jab, too. I didn't really
00:27:17.059 --> 00:27:20.279
see. You need to go back and watch. I don't think
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:22.980
he took a lot of damage in the fight until when
00:27:22.980 --> 00:27:24.960
I seen exhaustion hit. When exhaustion hit, then
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:27.140
I see him. He was more hitable, of course. Yeah,
00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:30.539
but in boxing, exhaustion is always going to
00:27:30.539 --> 00:27:33.220
hit. It's always going to hit. Hold on, hold
00:27:33.220 --> 00:27:36.460
on. Ezra, Ezra. Some fighters just lose their
00:27:36.460 --> 00:27:38.940
shape when they're tired. Anybody can look good
00:27:38.940 --> 00:27:42.380
when they're full of energy 100%. But what happens
00:27:42.380 --> 00:27:45.859
when you get into the deep water? What's that
00:27:45.859 --> 00:27:48.180
saying? Fatigue makes cowards of us all. Fatigue
00:27:48.180 --> 00:27:51.740
makes cowards of us all. The thing is, it's not
00:27:51.740 --> 00:27:54.059
just, oh, he got tired. It's a guy that's not.
00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:56.799
fully trained to go get in shape. That's what
00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:58.400
I'm saying. I don't think a guy that is fully
00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:01.240
committed... The other issue, Ezra, is like,
00:28:01.299 --> 00:28:03.279
okay, when he got tired, there was no defense.
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:06.140
His head's right at his waist. His head's right
00:28:06.140 --> 00:28:07.819
at his waist, and he's trying to move around
00:28:07.819 --> 00:28:10.259
like he's Prince Nassim. You're not Prince Nassim.
00:28:10.259 --> 00:28:12.640
You're not Sergio Martinez. You better learn
00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:15.400
how to slip some shit and also to just step around
00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:17.859
as opposed to freaking having to leap in and
00:28:17.859 --> 00:28:23.099
out. To be critical, to be critical at the point
00:28:23.099 --> 00:28:25.049
of exhaustion, that he was. He's like telling
00:28:25.049 --> 00:28:26.630
a guy that's drunk, like, you're not walking
00:28:26.630 --> 00:28:28.450
right. The guy's drunk. He's not going to walk
00:28:28.450 --> 00:28:31.309
right. He was so exhausted that the technique
00:28:31.309 --> 00:28:32.930
was out the window. He played a big part in him
00:28:32.930 --> 00:28:34.769
getting tired, too. Him doing all that leaping
00:28:34.769 --> 00:28:37.809
in and out. I ain't going to lie. We saw a fight
00:28:37.809 --> 00:28:39.369
last week where a guy was doing the same shit,
00:28:39.390 --> 00:28:42.130
and I said, hey, man. is going to be a recipe
00:28:42.130 --> 00:28:44.009
for disaster if he don't clean that shit up.
00:28:44.130 --> 00:28:46.430
You can't leap in and lunge in like that throwing
00:28:46.430 --> 00:28:48.529
shots when you're the smaller man and you got
00:28:48.529 --> 00:28:51.230
a smaller reach. And because of that, him leaping
00:28:51.230 --> 00:28:53.329
in like that, he wasn't generating any kind of
00:28:53.329 --> 00:28:55.349
fucking torque or any real power on his punches.
00:28:55.549 --> 00:28:57.069
He's throwing a shitload of arm punches tonight.
00:28:57.130 --> 00:29:00.130
And he got himself more tired because he wasted
00:29:00.130 --> 00:29:01.890
a ton of energy. Real quick, I want to bring
00:29:01.890 --> 00:29:05.869
in another voice. The host of the Sunday morning
00:29:05.869 --> 00:29:11.069
sermon and the defunct RNS podcast. My guy, he
00:29:11.069 --> 00:29:14.230
doesn't keep it 98. He doesn't keep it 99. He
00:29:14.230 --> 00:29:18.450
always keeps it 100. My guy, Ty. What's going
00:29:18.450 --> 00:29:23.849
on, Ty? I'm pissed off for two reasons. Two reasons
00:29:23.849 --> 00:29:25.470
I'm pissed off. I'm pissed off that I walked
00:29:25.470 --> 00:29:28.170
to the store. I'm in the store. This guy got
00:29:28.170 --> 00:29:30.289
knocked out in the store. And I'm walking back
00:29:30.289 --> 00:29:31.549
from the store to the highlights. He's in a fucking
00:29:31.549 --> 00:29:34.549
stretcher. Vince McMahon style. Wait, he was
00:29:34.549 --> 00:29:37.210
on a stretcher? Yeah, he got stretched out. Yeah,
00:29:37.210 --> 00:29:38.630
they talk about it on the stretcher. Come on.
00:29:38.890 --> 00:29:41.349
That knockout was pretty bad. He was slumped.
00:29:42.169 --> 00:29:45.410
Then number two, now for the next six to eight
00:29:45.410 --> 00:29:47.390
months, I got to hear Lorde and Matt being fucking
00:29:47.390 --> 00:29:49.769
right. Now they fucking Eddie Fudge and Emmanuel
00:29:49.769 --> 00:29:52.950
Stewart. I got to hear Matt and Lorde break down
00:29:52.950 --> 00:29:55.750
fights. I know what I'm talking about. You got
00:29:55.750 --> 00:30:00.150
to listen to me. Hey, KB, now he fucking know
00:30:00.150 --> 00:30:04.049
Matt. I know this game. I hear this shit, KB.
00:30:04.309 --> 00:30:06.609
Hey, it went the way Matt said, but it didn't
00:30:06.609 --> 00:30:08.630
go the way Hal Matt said. But Ty, you got to
00:30:08.630 --> 00:30:11.029
hold that, though. He was right. He was right.
00:30:11.829 --> 00:30:16.730
He was right, KB. He was right, KB. Now, Ty,
00:30:17.089 --> 00:30:20.089
Ty. I think we're being overly critical. Hold
00:30:20.089 --> 00:30:23.410
on, Ty. When I was pointing out. Now you're being
00:30:23.410 --> 00:30:25.450
under. When I was pointing out little things
00:30:25.450 --> 00:30:27.730
that was wrong with Atama during the fight, you
00:30:27.730 --> 00:30:29.970
told me shut the fuck up with your hating ass.
00:30:30.490 --> 00:30:33.069
And I was just trying to tell you what I'm seeing.
00:30:33.769 --> 00:30:36.710
Because, because I just. I wanted to enjoy the
00:30:36.710 --> 00:30:38.509
moment of a new star and you was like hating
00:30:38.509 --> 00:30:41.809
me. It's like you're talking about a quarterback
00:30:41.809 --> 00:30:45.049
in his third NFL game. He missed the check down.
00:30:45.730 --> 00:30:49.710
He should be in the playoffs. He should be in
00:30:49.710 --> 00:30:52.490
the playoffs in the third game. And hey, you
00:30:52.490 --> 00:30:55.269
know what? What goes up must come down. You're
00:30:55.269 --> 00:30:59.329
right. That's a crazy one. That's a space full
00:30:59.329 --> 00:31:07.680
of man. Lord Shakespeare. I'll tell you this,
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:10.779
Lord. That fight got me up and I still haven't
00:31:10.779 --> 00:31:15.779
come down yet. I'll tell you that, buddy. Hey,
00:31:15.900 --> 00:31:19.259
listen. Shout out to Hercules, though. Hercules
00:31:19.259 --> 00:31:21.779
did his thing. He fought like a fighter. He behaved
00:31:21.779 --> 00:31:25.299
like a fighter. He won the fight. He took some
00:31:25.299 --> 00:31:27.440
punches and he did what he had to do. New heavyweight
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:30.059
champion of the world. Hey, listen, Hergevich
00:31:30.059 --> 00:31:32.579
is here for a good time, not a long time, because
00:31:32.579 --> 00:31:38.339
he takes a lot of punishment. It's kind of ironic
00:31:38.339 --> 00:31:42.160
because roles were reversed for Hergevich today
00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:45.779
in his biggest fight because it was him that
00:31:45.779 --> 00:31:48.599
punched himself out. It was Gass against Daniel
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:50.759
Dubois. Daniel Dubois came back and stopped him
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:54.279
and turned about his fair play. He did it to
00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:58.599
Moses Otama. That was some good stuff. That was
00:31:58.599 --> 00:32:01.400
a great, great fight, man. I love that fight.
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:04.619
I'm going to watch that fight again. Ali did
00:32:04.619 --> 00:32:06.660
it to my uncle, and he did it to Michael Moore.
00:32:06.859 --> 00:32:09.980
It just is what it is. What if we look back,
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:12.980
Matt, and it turns out that Atama was not the
00:32:12.980 --> 00:32:17.619
next big thing? What if this day is—I was thinking
00:32:17.619 --> 00:32:20.019
about this, too. I'm thinking in analogies right
00:32:20.019 --> 00:32:22.319
now. But does anybody remember a fighter named
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:25.660
Panchito Bajado? Back in the early 2000s? Absolutely.
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:29.480
He was headed to the Hall of Fame. I thought
00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:31.900
he was the next one. He was headed to the Hall
00:32:31.900 --> 00:32:36.319
of Fame after his first fight. And about 14 fights
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:40.359
later, what happened, KB? Was it that many? I
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:42.160
mean, I feel like it was like 9 or 10. It might
00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:44.279
have been 9 pro fights, yeah. Yeah, I feel like
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:46.700
it was 9 or 10. And he got, I mean, wasn't it
00:32:46.700 --> 00:32:48.819
the same thing? Exhaustion or out of shape or
00:32:48.819 --> 00:32:51.819
something like that? Yeah, Ponty, he was already
00:32:51.819 --> 00:32:54.119
blowing up in weight. Oh, he fought Pollo, the
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:58.779
Pollo guy, right? Yep. Oh, was it the other Olympian
00:32:58.779 --> 00:33:00.579
that fought him? But was it the Pollo guy? Pollo,
00:33:00.579 --> 00:33:02.619
yeah. He fought somebody. There was a few of
00:33:02.619 --> 00:33:06.099
them from that 2000 class. The guy from Cincinnati
00:33:06.099 --> 00:33:08.019
who was hella talented too? I forget his name.
00:33:08.019 --> 00:33:10.279
Ricardo Williams Jr. Ricardo Williams. Ricardo
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:13.200
Williams. Yeah, man. But I remember, I really
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:16.380
believed in Bojado. He looked like a Fernando
00:33:16.380 --> 00:33:19.980
Vargas. He looked like the real deal. And then
00:33:19.980 --> 00:33:22.819
it turned out when he met resistance, not the
00:33:22.819 --> 00:33:26.559
real deal. I said this in form and I saw you
00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:30.799
liked it on the thing. It turns out last year
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:32.819
when Alexander Usyk was like, I don't want to
00:33:32.819 --> 00:33:34.500
fight that guy. It's too early. I'll hurt that
00:33:34.500 --> 00:33:36.549
kid. He was telling the truth. He was telling
00:33:36.549 --> 00:33:38.569
the truth. He absolutely was telling the truth.
00:33:38.809 --> 00:33:40.509
That's what I was thinking. And Ezra, that's
00:33:40.509 --> 00:33:42.329
what I was saying about the jab. I kept watching
00:33:42.329 --> 00:33:44.569
him get hit by the jab. And Herkovich wasn't
00:33:44.569 --> 00:33:46.049
really throwing the jab like that. But I watched
00:33:46.049 --> 00:33:47.730
him each time he throw it, he was letting it
00:33:47.730 --> 00:33:50.369
flush on his face. And I was like, if this kid
00:33:50.369 --> 00:33:54.890
fights DD or he fights Usyk, that's going to
00:33:54.890 --> 00:33:59.140
be a real - Problem for him? I don't know. I
00:33:59.140 --> 00:34:02.240
don't know. I think he just has good hands. I'm
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:04.319
not convinced about anything else he does. Yeah,
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:06.140
think about the amount of times we've seen guys
00:34:06.140 --> 00:34:09.519
fight top guys and then they, let's just say,
00:34:09.579 --> 00:34:11.699
let's just say Uzi just beats him in 12, right?
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:14.519
But how many times have we seen guys like this
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:19.579
get morally destroyed? in their fight game after
00:34:19.579 --> 00:34:23.380
that. Right? Because it's not the skill aspect,
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:28.619
but it's their moral. Yeah, they are done. I
00:34:28.619 --> 00:34:31.360
said it this morning, the thing in boxing and
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:34.539
the thing about Mosatama, if you do not move
00:34:34.539 --> 00:34:37.780
your head, somebody will move it for you. That's
00:34:37.780 --> 00:34:41.019
just the way it goes. That wasn't the case today.
00:34:41.019 --> 00:34:43.780
That was the case. It was the case. Stop lying
00:34:43.780 --> 00:34:48.239
to yourself. No, no, we did. Because this is
00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:49.880
what we're going to do, right? Because he lost,
00:34:50.059 --> 00:34:51.380
we're going to say, oh, he did this wrong, he
00:34:51.380 --> 00:34:52.719
did this wrong. And the truth is, he dominated
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:55.260
the fight. That's true. He did a ton of shit
00:34:55.260 --> 00:34:57.159
wrong. He did a ton of shit wrong, though. He
00:34:57.159 --> 00:34:59.880
dominated the fight. Even to the round before
00:34:59.880 --> 00:35:01.880
he got stopped, he dominated that round. I don't
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:03.559
think he dominated that round at all. I mean,
00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:05.320
you would definitely watch a different fight
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:07.780
then. So you don't think the round before he
00:35:07.780 --> 00:35:10.820
got stopped? You know what? I think you're looking
00:35:10.820 --> 00:35:13.579
at... I'm not looking at... Because I thought...
00:35:13.579 --> 00:35:17.460
Basically, from round six going, I was... Come
00:35:17.460 --> 00:35:18.940
on, man. To be honest with you, from round six
00:35:18.940 --> 00:35:22.019
going, I was kind of like, I was kind of like,
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:27.440
he might get stopped. Not for nothing, Herkovich
00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:29.920
won round five and round six. Don't get that.
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:33.719
Ty, you still there, Ty? Ty, you still there?
00:35:34.739 --> 00:35:40.300
Yes, yes. Because Ezra wasn't here and I would
00:35:40.300 --> 00:35:43.260
watch along. Wasn't I pointing out these things
00:35:43.260 --> 00:35:45.760
that Hergovich was doing that Atama wasn't doing
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:48.519
in the earlier rounds and say, hey, Hergovich
00:35:48.519 --> 00:35:52.800
is doing some good stuff? Oh, my God. Hold on.
00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:54.739
He asked me a question. He asked me a question.
00:35:54.780 --> 00:35:55.860
That's what I asked him a question. Please. Go
00:35:55.860 --> 00:35:59.719
ahead. So round four on Matt was 100 % on everything.
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:05.239
Okay, but what was he doing? So first of all,
00:36:05.300 --> 00:36:11.289
Atama was not moving his head at all. Hergovich
00:36:11.289 --> 00:36:14.909
was jabbing, jabbing, jabbing. He kept jabbing
00:36:14.909 --> 00:36:18.170
him. If you look at the... He wasn't landing
00:36:18.170 --> 00:36:20.210
a lot of power punches, but he was landing a
00:36:20.210 --> 00:36:23.530
lot of jabs. Now, Atama kept throwing haymakers
00:36:23.530 --> 00:36:28.409
that was just missing. That was just missing.
00:36:28.869 --> 00:36:31.630
Like, Hergovich was able somehow to get out of
00:36:31.630 --> 00:36:35.230
range for those big haymaker shots that Atama
00:36:35.230 --> 00:36:39.809
was throwing. Okay? And I think... My guy Cal
00:36:39.809 --> 00:36:43.670
pointed it out. Atama started headhunting. He
00:36:43.670 --> 00:36:47.449
started headhunting. He was expecting this guy
00:36:47.449 --> 00:36:50.670
to fall. It just didn't work out that way. The
00:36:50.670 --> 00:36:53.409
dude was tired from round four. His mouth was
00:36:53.409 --> 00:36:57.849
wide open in round four. In between rounds, before
00:36:57.849 --> 00:37:01.969
the one minute was up, Philip Hergovich was centering.
00:37:02.710 --> 00:37:05.949
Moses Atama was still spitting in his bucket,
00:37:05.989 --> 00:37:09.900
sitting in his seat. Like these things matter.
00:37:10.500 --> 00:37:13.019
Exactly. And as a one thing I want to point out
00:37:13.019 --> 00:37:15.260
too about the fatigue thing, I don't think it's,
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:18.059
I mean, obviously he should, he needs, I think
00:37:18.059 --> 00:37:19.500
obviously he needs to stay in the gym. I think
00:37:19.500 --> 00:37:21.760
he needs to keep active, but it's just not that
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:24.300
simple. When people say fatigue makes cowards
00:37:24.300 --> 00:37:25.639
of us all, the first time I heard that was in
00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:27.699
reference to Andrew Gulotta, because he would
00:37:27.699 --> 00:37:31.280
throw low blows when he was fatigued. And I think
00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:35.500
the thing about Itama that his body language,
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:39.860
everything about him, I'm reminded of when Roy
00:37:39.860 --> 00:37:42.360
Jones fought Antonio Tarver in the third fight.
00:37:42.500 --> 00:37:46.780
And Tarver hurt Roy Jones in round 11 real bad
00:37:46.780 --> 00:37:50.340
in the third fight. It almost had him out. And
00:37:50.340 --> 00:37:54.219
in the 12th round, Roy, who could barely stand,
00:37:54.420 --> 00:37:56.860
was throwing punches. And I don't know what Tarver
00:37:56.860 --> 00:37:59.480
was doing in the ring. But I remember Manny Stewart
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:01.780
saying, it looks like he's trying to jump out
00:38:01.780 --> 00:38:04.510
of the ring. And a fight where he had dominated.
00:38:04.769 --> 00:38:07.750
And then I listened to Bernard Hopkins when he
00:38:07.750 --> 00:38:09.889
fought Tama prior to fighting Tarver. He said,
00:38:09.929 --> 00:38:13.230
this man is a quitter. And I didn't understand
00:38:13.230 --> 00:38:15.909
what he meant by that because I had not seen
00:38:15.909 --> 00:38:18.989
Antonio Tarver quit in a fight before. So the
00:38:18.989 --> 00:38:21.050
point I'm trying to make is that what Tama did
00:38:21.050 --> 00:38:24.389
those last few rounds to me is actually a really
00:38:24.389 --> 00:38:27.230
big red flag regarding what he's got internally.
00:38:28.210 --> 00:38:30.329
Okay, I would dispute that 100%. And I'm gonna
00:38:30.329 --> 00:38:32.590
tell you why. When he was out of it, he decided
00:38:32.590 --> 00:38:34.449
to slug it. When he said, I got nothing left,
00:38:34.489 --> 00:38:36.849
I can't move, I'm going to head to head. And
00:38:36.849 --> 00:38:38.909
when he got stopped, it wasn't from like, oh,
00:38:38.909 --> 00:38:41.190
he took a knee. It was from, I physically cannot
00:38:41.190 --> 00:38:44.130
stand it. No, he got hit with about four or five
00:38:44.130 --> 00:38:46.630
right hands and was slumped in the corner. Oh,
00:38:46.690 --> 00:38:48.429
no, I don't think that's where we disagree. That
00:38:48.429 --> 00:38:51.829
didn't happen? Yeah, I don't agree. Oh, he was
00:38:51.829 --> 00:38:54.010
rocking. I think he just ran out of gas completely.
00:38:54.650 --> 00:38:56.409
I don't think that, oh, he was rocked and that
00:38:56.409 --> 00:38:58.809
he's hurt. You don't think he was ever hurt?
00:38:59.010 --> 00:39:01.190
I think it was a bit of both. Because, I mean,
00:39:01.210 --> 00:39:03.849
there's no reason why he shouldn't have been
00:39:03.849 --> 00:39:05.610
able to catch his breath and not be carried out
00:39:05.610 --> 00:39:07.449
on the street. No, you're so exhausted. If you're
00:39:07.449 --> 00:39:09.949
out of it, just like this quote from Kimball
00:39:09.949 --> 00:39:12.309
Slice. He was exhausted and he was hurt while
00:39:12.309 --> 00:39:14.110
he was exhausted. That's why he got carried out
00:39:14.110 --> 00:39:15.969
on the street. The exhaustion that he had is
00:39:15.969 --> 00:39:18.940
almost like he fainted. He's completely out of
00:39:18.940 --> 00:39:22.119
it. His body said, no more. We don't have the
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:24.400
energy anymore. It wasn't like, oh, I'm hurt.
00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:26.480
It was like, I can't even move. I can't even
00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:28.659
stand straight. That's because of exhaustion.
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:31.559
I think, Ezra, you got to understand that most
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:35.059
fighters get tired in a long fight. No, no, no.
00:39:35.059 --> 00:39:37.539
Of course. But this guy wasn't just tired. You
00:39:37.539 --> 00:39:40.099
know who else was flopping around like that in
00:39:40.099 --> 00:39:42.300
a fight? And you saw him tap out a few times
00:39:42.300 --> 00:39:44.659
when he fought Floyd. He was flopping around
00:39:44.659 --> 00:39:49.280
like that. Conor McGregor. Yeah, exactly. He
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:51.280
was exhausted. He was exhausted. Yeah, and you
00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:54.519
see what he did. And what I'm telling you is
00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:58.900
fatigue makes cowards of us all. And Conor McGregor
00:39:58.900 --> 00:40:01.679
liked to tap out. Yeah, but that's to say Conor
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:03.780
McGregor, when he gets tired, does tap out. That's
00:40:03.780 --> 00:40:05.179
not what we saw from Atama today. Atama didn't
00:40:05.179 --> 00:40:07.659
tap out. Atama tried to say, I'm going to land
00:40:07.659 --> 00:40:08.639
something that's going to end this right now.
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:10.519
Yeah, of course. But that doesn't make him any
00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:12.840
less Antonio Tarver was still throwing. It doesn't
00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:14.980
take away from what I'm saying. Yeah, but it
00:40:14.980 --> 00:40:16.900
doesn't - There's no reason for him to be so
00:40:16.900 --> 00:40:20.579
tired that he is, I mean, hands flailing in the
00:40:20.579 --> 00:40:22.179
air and going back in the ropes. What are we
00:40:22.179 --> 00:40:24.960
doing? Yeah, it wasn't that though. It was exhaustion.
00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:27.599
But he wasn't that hard of a fight to be that
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:29.880
tired. Yeah. That's what I'm saying, but - Yeah.
00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:31.960
It wasn't that hard to be that tired. Exactly.
00:40:31.980 --> 00:40:35.239
It is. Here's the thing. It wasn't that grueling.
00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:38.099
As real quick, it's like a one -way traffic on
00:40:38.099 --> 00:40:39.820
his part. Why the fuck he that tired? Yeah, because
00:40:39.820 --> 00:40:42.380
if you go, like, just the way a punching bag
00:40:42.380 --> 00:40:44.619
could defeat you, if you go and swing hard enough
00:40:44.619 --> 00:40:46.639
and long enough. No, it can't. A punching bag
00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:49.719
won't collapse. No, I'm saying you'll collapse
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:51.119
if you hit the punching bag, too. If you go too
00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:53.039
long, you're going to tire yourself out. Yeah,
00:40:53.260 --> 00:41:00.260
but, I mean... Hello, hello. I agree. I just
00:41:00.260 --> 00:41:03.500
feel like... is because of boxer size ben he
00:41:03.500 --> 00:41:06.340
did not prepare the fighter well enough honestly
00:41:06.340 --> 00:41:10.099
like the thing with a gas tank it can be easily
00:41:10.099 --> 00:41:12.559
rectified put your fighter through hell before
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:15.599
he gets into them rings for the 12 rounds of
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:18.739
the fight put him through hell and also another
00:41:18.739 --> 00:41:22.360
thing with atama i've noticed is that he be throwing
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:25.719
his punches at 100 miles per hour every single
00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:29.670
punch why His coach needs to teach him how to
00:41:29.670 --> 00:41:32.409
hold his shape, hold his feet. Don't waste your
00:41:32.409 --> 00:41:35.409
speed. You've got to use that speed sparingly.
00:41:35.469 --> 00:41:37.449
And I'm talking about his foot speed. His hand
00:41:37.449 --> 00:41:40.190
speed stayed with him until he had nothing in
00:41:40.190 --> 00:41:42.949
his tank at all. And it was mainly in that moment
00:41:42.949 --> 00:41:46.409
where Atalman knew he had not a lot left. He
00:41:46.409 --> 00:41:48.130
saw he might have got Hergovic a little bit hurt,
00:41:48.170 --> 00:41:50.989
tried to jump on him and wasted everything. He's
00:41:50.989 --> 00:41:54.769
just threw away, what, seven, eight rounds of
00:41:54.769 --> 00:41:58.219
beautiful boxing? Because he wasn't taught how
00:41:58.219 --> 00:42:02.199
to fight for 12 rounds. Bro, because he sparred
00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:04.599
six rounds. He's never sparred 12 rounds. Why
00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:07.880
is that the trainer's fault? What? He's the one
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:10.019
setting the regimen. Yeah, but I don't have to
00:42:10.019 --> 00:42:11.420
follow your regimen just because you say so.
00:42:12.219 --> 00:42:14.980
Word to Errol Spence. That's his head coach.
00:42:15.059 --> 00:42:16.719
He's 21. Yeah, but I don't have to follow it
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:18.480
just because you say so. Yeah, but he doesn't
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:20.519
know better. That's the problem. Why wouldn't
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:26.820
he know better? He's 21. I mean, 21. At 21, you're
00:42:26.820 --> 00:42:28.639
a professional athlete. You should be in the
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:31.380
best shape of your life. This is the coach he's
00:42:31.380 --> 00:42:35.760
had since he was 16. This is all he knows. Boxing
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:38.980
under... Hold on. It's the coach's job to give
00:42:38.980 --> 00:42:40.960
him the best shape. That's your job. You see,
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:42.639
my thing is this. The impression I got... That's
00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:44.699
your job. The impression I got... I don't know
00:42:44.699 --> 00:42:45.860
if you remember. We actually... Because I don't
00:42:45.860 --> 00:42:47.519
go... I'm not on the space lab. But I actually
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:49.880
discussed this with you about a year ago. And
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:51.940
I was just like, his body shape doesn't inspire
00:42:51.940 --> 00:42:54.239
confidence in me. Not at heavyweight. You know,
00:42:54.260 --> 00:42:58.000
he's soft. But my thinking is, my thought was
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:01.880
that, you know, he's very confident, you know,
00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:05.980
to put it nicely, and doesn't push himself to
00:43:05.980 --> 00:43:09.219
the limit, you know, in the gym. It could be
00:43:09.219 --> 00:43:10.699
the coach's fault. It could be the fighter's
00:43:10.699 --> 00:43:12.480
fault. Sometimes it's hard to say. Not everyone
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:14.940
listens. Yeah, I think you get guys that are
00:43:14.940 --> 00:43:17.239
so physically gifted that, you know, like he's
00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:19.190
going and sparring, and he's not sparring. you
00:43:19.190 --> 00:43:21.610
know, guys that are, you know, probably not guys
00:43:21.610 --> 00:43:22.809
that can beat him and guys that he's probably
00:43:22.809 --> 00:43:25.449
schooling and he can have it his way and he probably
00:43:25.449 --> 00:43:27.050
don't have to push it to that next level. This
00:43:27.050 --> 00:43:29.030
is why this is a valuable lesson to him. This
00:43:29.030 --> 00:43:31.070
guy right here was going to be tired whether
00:43:31.070 --> 00:43:33.289
he fought this fight or he didn't because he
00:43:33.289 --> 00:43:35.369
was going to be dead tired crawling out of this
00:43:35.369 --> 00:43:37.989
ring for a decision. He learned a lesson here.
00:43:38.690 --> 00:43:41.349
KB, a 20 -year -old fighter, I'm blaming the
00:43:41.349 --> 00:43:43.230
trainer. A 29 -year -old fighter, I'll blame
00:43:43.230 --> 00:43:55.760
the fighter. 100%. I'm not saying he don't. He
00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:56.940
don't know how to get himself in the ultimate,
00:43:56.980 --> 00:43:58.280
ultimate shape of his life as a professional.
00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:02.019
That's your job with a young guy. 29? Okay, the
00:44:02.019 --> 00:44:03.840
fucking fighter, no. He's been to 100 training
00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:06.440
camps. He done been a world champion. I get all
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:08.820
that. But 21? No, that's probably 24. Bear in
00:44:08.820 --> 00:44:11.400
mind, Moses didn't have a long amateur career
00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:14.519
either. Like, it's not even like he's had a lot
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:18.000
of rounds in the ring. I just feel like the fact
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:20.719
that I heard that the fighter hasn't gone past
00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:24.269
six rounds in sparring. I mean, what happened
00:44:24.269 --> 00:44:27.289
to the days of training or forcing your fighter
00:44:27.289 --> 00:44:30.809
to go further than the limits of the fight in
00:44:30.809 --> 00:44:34.030
training? You take him to places where the fight
00:44:34.030 --> 00:44:38.389
feels comfortable. I hate when Matt writes, but
00:44:38.389 --> 00:44:40.469
Matt was right. You know what Matt said? All
00:44:40.469 --> 00:44:42.630
week, KB, he said, I don't like his body language.
00:44:42.769 --> 00:44:44.690
I don't like the middle part. I'm like, man,
00:44:44.829 --> 00:44:46.289
you're just overreacting. He's going to whoop
00:44:46.289 --> 00:44:48.809
his ass. Do you know what you're there for? And
00:44:48.809 --> 00:44:51.409
I had to push him off the stage, all that bullshit.
00:44:51.409 --> 00:44:54.269
He boxed him so beautifully for like seven rounds,
00:44:54.409 --> 00:44:59.989
bro. Beautiful boxing. Nah, four. You know what's
00:44:59.989 --> 00:45:04.469
funny about that, though, Ty? Whenever I know
00:45:04.469 --> 00:45:07.190
KB is onside of the fight, what's the one thing
00:45:07.190 --> 00:45:09.250
that always hits you up with KB? How do they
00:45:09.250 --> 00:45:13.769
look? How do they look? I need to know how somebody
00:45:13.769 --> 00:45:17.150
looks to your eye. Because I'm telling you, like
00:45:17.150 --> 00:45:19.809
a lot of times, and nobody says this because,
00:45:19.849 --> 00:45:22.489
you know, like I know KB would never say it or
00:45:22.489 --> 00:45:24.210
somebody who works in the box would never say
00:45:24.210 --> 00:45:26.909
it. You can tell a fighter is going to lose just
00:45:26.909 --> 00:45:28.570
by what he looks like. A fighter can interact
00:45:28.570 --> 00:45:32.070
with him. A lot of people know that. And if you're
00:45:32.070 --> 00:45:35.969
in the camp, you can see a whole lot. Like, oh,
00:45:36.269 --> 00:45:38.670
this guy's going to get his ass kicked. There's
00:45:38.670 --> 00:45:40.590
so much that goes on behind, you know, and sometimes,
00:45:40.809 --> 00:45:42.929
I mean, folks, you might think something's a
00:45:42.929 --> 00:45:45.170
mismatch, and I'm like, nah. And you're like,
00:45:45.289 --> 00:45:46.489
oh, you're just saying that because you're supposed
00:45:46.489 --> 00:45:49.889
to. Nah, I wouldn't say anything at all if I
00:45:49.889 --> 00:45:51.769
thought it was going to be a mismatch. But if
00:45:51.769 --> 00:45:54.329
I'm telling you that it's not going to be a mismatch,
00:45:54.329 --> 00:45:57.480
it's because I've probably seen something. You
00:45:57.480 --> 00:45:59.780
know, even tactically, not training or not teaching
00:45:59.780 --> 00:46:01.820
your fighter how to just go for a walk. So KB,
00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:04.480
so KB. How to circle, how to circle and just
00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:07.119
go for a walk. You know, I mean, I don't even
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:09.420
know if they started. But you know the funny
00:46:09.420 --> 00:46:11.500
thing is I haven't seen that guy fight before,
00:46:11.659 --> 00:46:14.280
and I've heard two conflicting things. Like somebody
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:16.619
told me, like, his style could give some problems,
00:46:16.739 --> 00:46:18.219
and then another person was like, nah, it's going
00:46:18.219 --> 00:46:20.139
to be a total wipeout. It's not even close. So
00:46:20.139 --> 00:46:23.019
I got to see, I got to watch his kid fight and
00:46:23.019 --> 00:46:26.489
then see. But I'll say this, you know. Fedora
00:46:26.489 --> 00:46:29.550
is never out of shape. He's never out of shape.
00:46:29.829 --> 00:46:32.409
Whether he's skinny, he's never, ever out of
00:46:32.409 --> 00:46:36.349
shape. And like Floyd would say, it's different
00:46:36.349 --> 00:46:37.829
when you're inside the ring. When you're actually
00:46:37.829 --> 00:46:40.250
standing with Fedora, you give him a pound of
00:46:40.250 --> 00:46:44.570
hug, you realize that's a big, strong dude. Pause.
00:46:45.369 --> 00:46:48.949
And I will say this about that Fedora fight.
00:46:49.190 --> 00:46:52.610
And Ezra was none too impressed with what I said
00:46:52.610 --> 00:46:56.840
on the show this morning. This Habib guy, he
00:46:56.840 --> 00:47:03.480
beat Bakari Samaki, who is a very good 154 pounder.
00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:05.760
Now, Ezra doesn't give a shit because I guess
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:08.219
Samaki's not a big name. Bakari Samaki doesn't
00:47:08.219 --> 00:47:10.760
have a name. But he's like Moses' tall rider.
00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:13.280
So here's the thing. I've seen that fight. But
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:14.579
it's just funny that you brought him up like
00:47:14.579 --> 00:47:17.360
the crowd was going to go, whoa, Samaki, no way.
00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:19.519
But no, I've seen that fight. I've seen that
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:20.820
fight. You're not freaking out because I didn't
00:47:20.820 --> 00:47:22.699
know about it. I saw that fight. I saw it as
00:47:22.699 --> 00:47:23.860
soon as this fight was announced. I said, let
00:47:23.860 --> 00:47:26.000
me go take a look at this guy. Hey, you know,
00:47:26.019 --> 00:47:27.239
Fedora's, I think Fedora's going to have an easy
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:28.800
night at the office. You know, I mean. This guy
00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:30.829
does. This guy does come to fight though. Yeah,
00:47:30.829 --> 00:47:32.750
so then it'll be an entertaining fight. Now listen
00:47:32.750 --> 00:47:35.010
to that portion of the show. And as I was gonna
00:47:35.010 --> 00:47:37.050
tell you, what you were saying was kind of interesting
00:47:37.050 --> 00:47:38.710
to me because you were like, is it about drawing
00:47:38.710 --> 00:47:40.710
viewers to TNT or is it about drawing viewers
00:47:40.710 --> 00:47:44.670
to Fundora? But if it's a good fight, it does
00:47:44.670 --> 00:47:47.690
both. Okay, that's fair. I think it's gonna be
00:47:47.690 --> 00:47:50.050
- It's a good card, it does both. Yeah, I think
00:47:50.050 --> 00:47:53.329
it's gonna be a violent fight. Yeah, then great,
00:47:53.409 --> 00:47:55.659
fantastic. I agree. Yeah, I agree. It's a good
00:47:55.659 --> 00:47:57.980
night of fights then, you know? I mean, you didn't
00:47:57.980 --> 00:48:00.039
give Filip Hergovich a shot tonight, did you?
00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:03.920
Like I said, I just said the unknowns. Oh, there's
00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:05.539
always unknowns. I thought Atom was going to
00:48:05.539 --> 00:48:06.920
win, but I said the unknowns of the second half
00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:08.139
of this fight, what is that going to look like?
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:10.179
You know, my thing is this. We got an idea of
00:48:10.179 --> 00:48:12.280
it. I mean, obviously you've seen this opponent
00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:15.420
before, so I'm not speaking to you. But a lot
00:48:15.420 --> 00:48:17.739
of times what happens, you know, I see on boxing
00:48:17.739 --> 00:48:19.239
Twitter, it's like they've never heard of the
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:21.679
other guy. And then they just automatically assume,
00:48:21.780 --> 00:48:23.300
because they never heard of the other guy, that
00:48:23.300 --> 00:48:26.039
the other guy's trash. And so what happens, and
00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:27.860
then they don't do any research after. So what
00:48:27.860 --> 00:48:30.440
happens is that when the fight takes place, and
00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:32.400
let's say it's tougher than expected, or this
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:34.860
or that, they're like, oh, he was exposed. Or
00:48:34.860 --> 00:48:37.360
the favorite was exposed, or he's not all that.
00:48:37.420 --> 00:48:38.880
It's like, you don't even know who the other
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:42.500
guy is. Yeah. Ben Davidson's been exposed for
00:48:42.500 --> 00:48:45.250
a while. For me, when there's a fight I never
00:48:45.250 --> 00:48:47.570
heard of, I just say, I don't give a shit about
00:48:47.570 --> 00:48:49.550
the fight. I don't say he's trash. I just don't
00:48:49.550 --> 00:48:51.630
give a shit about it. I want a name that I know.
00:48:52.070 --> 00:48:55.230
But I would never say he's trash. And this, listen,
00:48:55.510 --> 00:49:01.230
this Ermal Hydra Beach guy, he beat Bakari Samaki,
00:49:01.250 --> 00:49:05.340
Ezra. He beat Bakari. Ezra, I will say this.
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:08.800
Ezra, I will say this. Like I said, I've spoken
00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:11.039
to two people about him. One said he's decent.
00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:13.840
He could cause some problems. The other reporter
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:16.780
who I respect said, nah. He said what you said.
00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:20.519
But that reporter also said that Itamo was going
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:24.360
to destroy Hergaville. When I heard about that
00:49:24.360 --> 00:49:26.500
Fundora fight, I didn't like it. I never heard
00:49:26.500 --> 00:49:27.960
a dude. I went and watched some of his fights.
00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:30.260
Because a couple of people jumped in my inbox
00:49:30.260 --> 00:49:31.900
saying, watch this fight, watch that fight. He's
00:49:31.900 --> 00:49:33.420
a decent fighter, but I still don't like the
00:49:33.420 --> 00:49:37.960
fight. Ezra, I don't know. I think Fandora is
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:39.940
going to destroy the... I hope so. What happened
00:49:39.940 --> 00:49:43.420
now? Maybe because the American boxing scene
00:49:43.420 --> 00:49:46.079
is difficult for fighters over here to break
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:49.179
over. From the UK, we know about Herkovich. He's
00:49:49.179 --> 00:49:50.840
full, free. No, no, no. We're not talking about
00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:53.059
Herkovich. We're talking about... Yeah, but...
00:49:53.059 --> 00:49:55.280
And so, y 'all, you're making a lot of excuses
00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:57.039
about Otama right now. You know what I'm saying?
00:49:57.139 --> 00:49:59.059
Like, y 'all didn't think that... Y 'all didn't
00:49:59.059 --> 00:50:00.599
think Herkovich had a shot. You know what I'm
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:03.940
saying? That's why he... That's why Otama got
00:50:03.940 --> 00:50:05.340
this fight. But I think everything y 'all are
00:50:05.340 --> 00:50:07.460
saying is what I've been telling people. He needed
00:50:07.460 --> 00:50:10.079
more development. The guy didn't have that many
00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:12.619
rounds to just be pushing him into a title shot
00:50:12.619 --> 00:50:16.260
like this. And he wasn't active as a 21 -year
00:50:16.260 --> 00:50:19.139
-old. prospect he wasn't even active like that
00:50:19.139 --> 00:50:21.559
like somebody at that age you should be he should
00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:23.760
be fighting five times a year you know something
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:25.920
like that something crazy especially against
00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:28.300
somebody like hergovich who like you know for
00:50:28.300 --> 00:50:30.539
better or worse hergovich has had his feet held
00:50:30.539 --> 00:50:33.079
to the fire multiple times sometimes he won sometimes
00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:37.079
he lost exactly itama's never really had to work
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:40.139
hard in any fight ever damn near like he's pretty
00:50:40.139 --> 00:50:42.539
damn everyone he fought was scared of him yeah
00:50:43.230 --> 00:50:44.849
Including Dylan White. It's a lesson learned.
00:50:44.929 --> 00:50:47.289
Just like, listen, we talked about Klitschko,
00:50:47.369 --> 00:50:48.949
right? Lesson learned. He had to figure that
00:50:48.949 --> 00:50:52.070
problem out. Dubois, right? Against Joe Joyce.
00:50:52.130 --> 00:50:53.789
People thought, you're done there at that point.
00:50:53.909 --> 00:50:56.230
Look at Dubois now. He's champ. Lennox Lewis.
00:50:56.570 --> 00:50:59.969
He could go heavyweight. Some guys you got to
00:50:59.969 --> 00:51:02.130
figure it out. He can come back for sure. Or
00:51:02.130 --> 00:51:04.329
he could be Andrew Gulotta. Right. So here's
00:51:04.329 --> 00:51:06.349
the thing. We were saying, who do we blame here?
00:51:06.550 --> 00:51:08.889
Can we blame the fighter or the trainer? Well,
00:51:08.909 --> 00:51:10.809
I'll tell you from this point on. I like Calvin
00:51:10.809 --> 00:51:13.460
Brock, man. From this point on. We're going to
00:51:13.460 --> 00:51:15.719
know if we blame Atama. It's all on Atama. He's
00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:17.360
got to figure out the lesson to be learned here.
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:21.619
If he doesn't, that's on him. Ezra, look at the
00:51:21.619 --> 00:51:25.960
last couple of fighters in that camp, yeah? We've
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:30.960
seen Daniel Dubois just destroy AJ and Wardley,
00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:34.280
and they all had similar, bro. They all had similar
00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:36.460
forces. Like, even though they were quite different
00:51:36.460 --> 00:51:41.369
fighters, AJ had a good defense. He goes to my
00:51:41.369 --> 00:51:44.610
man, my man makes his defense just open, right?
00:51:44.650 --> 00:51:46.949
That low lead hand style doesn't work for everyone,
00:51:47.070 --> 00:51:49.570
right? And also the fact that he doesn't even
00:51:49.570 --> 00:51:52.170
coach these guys to exit in shape is disgusting.
00:51:52.489 --> 00:51:55.269
You will see it. You will see it. You will see
00:51:55.269 --> 00:51:57.750
it. Even with the Hrgovic, like, okay, cool.
00:51:59.110 --> 00:52:01.750
Itama was winning the majority of the rounds,
00:52:01.769 --> 00:52:05.659
but even in them, like, you can't... Hold your
00:52:05.659 --> 00:52:08.980
fire is to hold shape. Not show and tell that,
00:52:09.059 --> 00:52:11.960
oh, I'm blowing, I'm gassing. Just remain in
00:52:11.960 --> 00:52:13.699
your shape. He needs to drill it, drill it, drill
00:52:13.699 --> 00:52:15.760
it. Even when you're tired, you can still be
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:19.219
able to hold your shape. It's simple stuff. This
00:52:19.219 --> 00:52:23.639
is fundamental boxing. Amen. He find the balls
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:30.840
on fight lane. He was used to just running shit
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:33.159
down. You know what I'm saying? When he couldn't
00:52:33.159 --> 00:52:35.449
just run Hergevich down. He didn't have a plan
00:52:35.449 --> 00:52:40.389
B. We see this often, but this was a bad misstep,
00:52:40.429 --> 00:52:41.570
and I don't know how long it's going to take
00:52:41.570 --> 00:52:43.969
him to recover, but I think he needs to get right
00:52:43.969 --> 00:52:47.070
on the development plan. But I thought people
00:52:47.070 --> 00:52:49.989
didn't recognize that, and I feel like they knew
00:52:49.989 --> 00:52:52.829
it because he ducked Frank Sanchez. He didn't
00:52:52.829 --> 00:52:54.730
want the Frank Sanchez fight because I felt like
00:52:54.730 --> 00:52:57.230
they knew he wasn't ready for that level of guy.
00:52:57.949 --> 00:52:59.809
And I think they thought shit was sweet with
00:52:59.809 --> 00:53:04.179
Herkovich, and they found out. I think it's because
00:53:04.179 --> 00:53:06.480
they thought because Hergovich is so hitable
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:09.139
they thought that Atalma could actually punch
00:53:09.139 --> 00:53:13.059
him out of there but in that you know Hergovich's
00:53:13.059 --> 00:53:15.900
Hergovich's superpower is durability bro and
00:53:15.900 --> 00:53:18.840
you know your fighter can't last your fighter
00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:22.420
doesn't know what round 7 feels like that's the
00:53:22.420 --> 00:53:24.780
that could be the worst guy to put him in there
00:53:24.780 --> 00:53:27.079
but they wanted to be like oh he knocked out
00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:29.980
Hergovich first guy to knock him out clean not
00:53:29.980 --> 00:53:33.840
get stopped on cut or a TKO But I just feel like
00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:35.800
they just didn't prepare him for any scenario.
00:53:36.460 --> 00:53:39.340
Here's the thing, though, right? He was never
00:53:39.340 --> 00:53:42.199
going to get an easy touch for this IBF title.
00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:45.699
It is what it is at this point. He was going
00:53:45.699 --> 00:53:47.940
to have to get in there and fight somebody with
00:53:47.940 --> 00:53:52.320
a pulse for that IBF title. So... Even Sanchez...
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:54.460
I don't think the way to go for him is difficult.
00:53:54.539 --> 00:53:56.420
All you got to do is start to develop him the
00:53:56.420 --> 00:53:58.739
fucking correct way. I don't think it's like,
00:53:58.739 --> 00:54:00.500
where does he go from here, though? He's just
00:54:00.500 --> 00:54:04.929
not far off at all. They wanted him to be a young
00:54:04.929 --> 00:54:06.730
champion. That's what he needs to do. No, no,
00:54:06.730 --> 00:54:09.429
I agree. Remember the goal they were trying to
00:54:09.429 --> 00:54:11.309
make him. They was trying to say, oh, we're trying
00:54:11.309 --> 00:54:12.989
to get him to beat Mike Tyson's record, be the
00:54:12.989 --> 00:54:14.969
youngest heavyweight champion. But they wasn't
00:54:14.969 --> 00:54:16.789
giving him the right fights to prepare for that.
00:54:17.090 --> 00:54:19.590
Yeah, yeah. No, I'm saying going forward, you
00:54:19.590 --> 00:54:21.690
could just start to develop him correctly like
00:54:21.690 --> 00:54:23.150
they should have been in the beginning. Hold
00:54:23.150 --> 00:54:26.090
on. How can you start to develop a fighter correctly
00:54:26.090 --> 00:54:28.070
whose last couple fights was on pay -per -view?
00:54:31.059 --> 00:54:33.460
He fight with fucking Frank Warren. Man, he be
00:54:33.460 --> 00:54:35.800
all right. They got some bums over there. All
00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:38.500
right. All right. Yeah. Warren going. I don't
00:54:38.500 --> 00:54:39.880
know how hard it's going to be because this is.
00:54:39.940 --> 00:54:41.360
Not do that in the first place, really. This
00:54:41.360 --> 00:54:43.019
is a devastating loss. You know what I'm saying?
00:54:43.420 --> 00:54:45.480
You being hyped up like this and then you losing
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:47.820
his way. You get stretched out. This is a devastating
00:54:47.820 --> 00:54:51.079
loss mentally. So we got to see. And honestly,
00:54:51.219 --> 00:54:52.880
I think he was already suffering mentally fight
00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:54.380
week when he was talking about like, oh, yeah,
00:54:54.460 --> 00:54:56.500
like I'm not in the best mood, but I'm still
00:54:56.500 --> 00:54:58.909
good enough to beat. Yeah, he did. I'm like,
00:54:59.010 --> 00:55:00.690
I ain't like that shit. Yeah, because I feel
00:55:00.690 --> 00:55:03.170
like he was thinking like, oh shit, this is a
00:55:03.170 --> 00:55:06.789
big stage. I beat all these other guys, but I
00:55:06.789 --> 00:55:08.909
don't know. Wasn't the Dillian White fight a
00:55:08.909 --> 00:55:10.710
big fight? You can see that. You can see that
00:55:10.710 --> 00:55:13.349
in the first three rounds. Yeah, but KB, Dillian
00:55:13.349 --> 00:55:16.429
White stinks. I know he stinks, but I'm just
00:55:16.429 --> 00:55:18.510
wondering if in terms of the magnitude, wasn't
00:55:18.510 --> 00:55:21.110
that a big atmosphere? No, it wasn't. No, no,
00:55:21.110 --> 00:55:24.130
no, no, no. It was not a big atmosphere because
00:55:24.130 --> 00:55:27.670
it was in Saudi Arabia. Oh, yeah. Figures. I
00:55:27.670 --> 00:55:30.750
don't know if Atama and Herkovich ever sparred
00:55:30.750 --> 00:55:32.369
before because Herkovich was really acting out
00:55:32.369 --> 00:55:33.789
of character, too. Like, normally, Herkovich
00:55:33.789 --> 00:55:36.030
has the freaking personality of a plank of wood.
00:55:36.150 --> 00:55:39.110
I think he read the room. He read the room correctly.
00:55:39.449 --> 00:55:44.769
You guys need to understand that this fight wasn't,
00:55:44.769 --> 00:55:46.469
like, originally when it was ordered, it wasn't
00:55:46.469 --> 00:55:49.170
going to be for the IBF. And then, like, throughout
00:55:49.170 --> 00:55:51.190
the camp, throughout fight camp and build up,
00:55:51.269 --> 00:55:53.789
you know, it got... elevated to that status.
00:55:53.989 --> 00:55:55.809
Like, it wasn't supposed to be. I mean, it was
00:55:55.809 --> 00:55:58.289
an eliminator, but I mean, still, it's kind of
00:55:58.289 --> 00:55:59.989
half a dozen of one and six of the other at that
00:55:59.989 --> 00:56:01.489
point. Because at the end of the day, you're
00:56:01.489 --> 00:56:04.130
still taking a step up against a guy that's battle
00:56:04.130 --> 00:56:06.769
-tested year over year. He's been battle -tested
00:56:06.769 --> 00:56:09.150
for the last, like, decade, damn near. For real.
00:56:09.449 --> 00:56:12.280
For real. He's fought all the top guys. He's
00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:14.199
fought most of them at least. Yeah, he'll be
00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:16.760
mad. He fought Shane. He fought Dubois. You know
00:56:16.760 --> 00:56:18.280
what I mean? Like, this is a guy that's been
00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:21.559
in with some real, like, killings. Real serious
00:56:21.559 --> 00:56:23.559
rounds. They hit you and you don't. You're done.
00:56:24.519 --> 00:56:27.480
Hey, Matt. I feel like for Moses, the way he's
00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:29.500
leaving the crowd. Hold on. Hold on. What's going
00:56:29.500 --> 00:56:33.139
on, Rogue? Hey, I just wanted to throw this out
00:56:33.139 --> 00:56:36.300
because I might get cut off in a minute. I'm
00:56:36.300 --> 00:56:38.380
switching it up just slightly. I just wanted
00:56:38.380 --> 00:56:40.739
to say that today was also a reminder when they
00:56:40.739 --> 00:56:42.559
have this debate about who the greatest woman
00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:45.000
fighter of all time is between Taylor and Clarissa
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:47.739
Shields, that nobody ever gives Katie Taylor
00:56:47.739 --> 00:56:51.179
flack for absolutely ducking the smoke on a third
00:56:51.179 --> 00:56:53.159
fight with Chantel Cameron. And we saw today
00:56:53.159 --> 00:56:56.880
how badass Chantel Cameron really is. So props
00:56:56.880 --> 00:57:00.539
to her. Yes, because Katie Taylor gets off with
00:57:00.539 --> 00:57:02.760
that scot -free, and there's no excuse for not
00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:04.619
taking the third fight with Chantel. Hey, hey,
00:57:04.780 --> 00:57:06.639
come on. Her last fight is next week, man. Come
00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:09.679
on. Come on, man. She's had three years to take
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:11.280
that third fight. Have a heart. Her last fight
00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:14.039
is next week. Hey, bro, she saw what happened
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:16.480
in that last fight. She said, uh -uh. Who called
00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:20.139
the Tama industry plaid? You guys are ridiculous.
00:57:23.500 --> 00:57:26.699
Oh, and I'll also add that even though Moses
00:57:26.699 --> 00:57:29.860
Satama lost this week, everyone is a winner because
00:57:29.860 --> 00:57:32.340
of that new lingerie line that Sidney Sweeney
00:57:32.340 --> 00:57:35.539
launched this week. So God bless the world. Yeah,
00:57:35.539 --> 00:57:38.019
absolutely. And that new ad. Oh, man. She's seen
00:57:38.019 --> 00:57:40.840
people talking about it. And she took it personally.
00:57:41.019 --> 00:57:43.059
She said, let me take that crown. Please, please.
00:57:44.840 --> 00:57:47.219
Samson Lukowicz, if you ever listen to Bunch
00:57:47.219 --> 00:57:52.260
Boxing, please make the Frank Sanchez fight next.
00:57:52.829 --> 00:57:55.969
Don't let them move you out of your position.
00:57:56.570 --> 00:58:01.530
Get that fight next, please. And I'm telling
00:58:01.530 --> 00:58:06.389
you right now, and the new is going to be announced
00:58:06.389 --> 00:58:09.210
with Frank Sanchez. I'm telling you. What if
00:58:09.210 --> 00:58:10.829
they give him another million to step aside?
00:58:11.250 --> 00:58:14.670
Hey, no. Fuck that. You can make more money off
00:58:14.670 --> 00:58:17.650
of beating Herkovich and then rematch him. Yeah,
00:58:17.650 --> 00:58:20.980
I think that's next. I think that's next. Sorry,
00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:24.920
Ezra. Yeah, it's gotta be. What up, man? I need
00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:29.519
my boy from Germany to get a big fight, man.
00:58:29.739 --> 00:58:35.860
Who? I get it. They've been doing it. Wait, who
00:58:35.860 --> 00:58:38.670
are you talking about? I get cameo. Oh, okay.
00:58:39.670 --> 00:58:41.670
I've never heard anyone say my boy from Germany
00:58:41.670 --> 00:58:46.510
before. That's crazy work, right? Cabello's,
00:58:46.510 --> 00:58:49.269
yeah, excellent, excellent fighter. I want to
00:58:49.269 --> 00:58:54.349
see him get his shot, too. Yeah. I mean, he don't
00:58:54.349 --> 00:58:57.889
need a shot. He's a champion. So don't start
00:58:57.889 --> 00:59:02.570
defending that belt. He needs a big fight. Well,
00:59:03.010 --> 00:59:05.570
that's the thing. Okay, if Sanchez beats Hargavich,
00:59:05.670 --> 00:59:08.349
boom, rematch for the unified. There you go.
00:59:09.510 --> 00:59:12.690
Yeah. And that's even aside from Usyk. And I
00:59:12.690 --> 00:59:15.010
like that remit to that first fight. Because
00:59:15.010 --> 00:59:18.050
Usyk shouldn't be fighting. We're going to hear
00:59:18.050 --> 00:59:20.929
a lot of nonsense over the next week that Tyson
00:59:20.929 --> 00:59:22.989
Fury is considering fighting Caballero if Joshua
00:59:22.989 --> 00:59:25.110
steps out. Let me just burst your bubble right
00:59:25.110 --> 00:59:28.030
now. That's not happening. He's not fighting
00:59:28.030 --> 00:59:32.170
Caballero. Yeah, that's not happening. And he
00:59:32.170 --> 00:59:34.239
shouldn't. I was going to say, I mean, shit,
00:59:34.300 --> 00:59:36.739
he had an opportunity to before, and he didn't.
00:59:36.739 --> 00:59:38.719
All right, Undisputed, you got your hand up.
00:59:41.019 --> 00:59:43.719
What's good, boxing fans? Thank you for letting
00:59:43.719 --> 00:59:47.480
me in. Yeah, Matt, the fact that you called Hergovich
00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:51.420
winning is surprising to me because I had Itama,
00:59:51.420 --> 00:59:55.019
but seeing the fight off the round four, Itama's
00:59:55.019 --> 00:59:57.929
mouth was wide open. And I'm thinking like, bro,
00:59:58.050 --> 01:00:00.230
you can't be this tired. And look, I get it.
01:00:00.250 --> 01:00:01.690
There's a lot of things that aren't within your
01:00:01.690 --> 01:00:03.789
control. You might not be the fastest fighter,
01:00:03.829 --> 01:00:06.429
have the most technical ability, but what is
01:00:06.429 --> 01:00:09.710
within your control is how fit you are. And I'm
01:00:09.710 --> 01:00:12.570
thinking, bro, you got stretched off because
01:00:12.570 --> 01:00:16.090
you got gassed out in round nine. That is devastating.
01:00:16.510 --> 01:00:20.239
Mentally, this is a devastating loss. Also, as
01:00:20.239 --> 01:00:22.420
soon as Hergovich started to actually box and
01:00:22.420 --> 01:00:24.900
hit him at the jab, which he literally wasn't
01:00:24.900 --> 01:00:27.079
able to miss, Itama couldn't get out of the way
01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:30.559
of the jab. And I feel like the commentators
01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:33.079
were not giving any credit for them. They're
01:00:33.079 --> 01:00:34.719
just saying, oh, he got tired. I'm like, no,
01:00:34.739 --> 01:00:37.860
he did not just get tired. You can't throw every
01:00:37.860 --> 01:00:41.300
punch at 200 miles per hour, bro. Set some shit
01:00:41.300 --> 01:00:44.210
up, bro. It's like every punch is thrown with
01:00:44.210 --> 01:00:46.429
murderous intentions, but you know you don't.
01:00:46.429 --> 01:00:48.590
You clearly don't have the conditioning. And
01:00:48.590 --> 01:00:50.210
I'm asking myself, what the hell are they working
01:00:50.210 --> 01:00:52.510
on in camp, bro? Are you running? Are you doing
01:00:52.510 --> 01:00:54.809
strength and conditioning? What are you doing
01:00:54.809 --> 01:00:58.630
in camp? How are you that tired? At 21, you're
01:00:58.630 --> 01:01:01.170
the younger fighter. How are you that gassed?
01:01:01.429 --> 01:01:04.130
Look, I can understand you having poor defense,
01:01:04.309 --> 01:01:08.250
bad footwork, a low boxing IQ, but it is entirely
01:01:08.250 --> 01:01:11.059
within your control. how good your strength and
01:01:11.059 --> 01:01:14.000
conditioning is. And Hergovich was boxing him
01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:16.679
back. Hergovich was starting to box, step back,
01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:20.199
get out of range, use the jab, countering, leaning
01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:22.239
on him. Shooting the right hand of the bike.
01:01:22.260 --> 01:01:24.860
Heavyweight boxing. And I feel like he wasn't
01:01:24.860 --> 01:01:27.519
getting credit for that. He was doing typical
01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:30.800
heavyweight boxing. These are the things they
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:33.059
teach you how to do. Lean on the smaller guy,
01:01:33.239 --> 01:01:36.949
use the jab, step out of range. After that eighth
01:01:36.949 --> 01:01:39.329
round, Itama was completely spent. He blew his
01:01:39.329 --> 01:01:41.650
wad trying to knock him out. And all Herkovich
01:01:41.650 --> 01:01:44.170
had to do was just keep tapping away. Also, the
01:01:44.170 --> 01:01:47.269
fact that Itama got open hand slapped yesterday
01:01:47.269 --> 01:01:49.849
after pushing the dude off, one, did you not
01:01:49.849 --> 01:01:52.570
anticipate retaliation? And two, why was he able
01:01:52.570 --> 01:01:54.789
to hit you like that? He didn't even flinch,
01:01:54.809 --> 01:01:57.829
nothing. I knew then, I'm like, bro, this dude's
01:01:57.829 --> 01:02:01.130
defense might also work. He has great hands.
01:02:01.150 --> 01:02:03.289
Why is a heavyweight doing the shoulder roll?
01:02:03.289 --> 01:02:07.900
He has great hands. Oh, man. Maybe there's three
01:02:07.900 --> 01:02:09.820
fighters in the whole sport who should do the
01:02:09.820 --> 01:02:12.019
shoulder roll. Everyone else, leave it alone,
01:02:12.380 --> 01:02:15.199
especially as a heavyweight. What are you, like,
01:02:15.300 --> 01:02:20.260
I'm thinking, like, this guy really is not technically
01:02:20.260 --> 01:02:22.940
sound because it's one thing when you're doing
01:02:22.940 --> 01:02:25.539
the smashing, but it's another thing when the
01:02:25.539 --> 01:02:27.780
punches are coming back at you and your response
01:02:27.780 --> 01:02:31.460
is a shoulder roll. A shoulder roll at heavyweight
01:02:31.460 --> 01:02:36.110
is, that is appalling. So I think Hergovich was
01:02:36.110 --> 01:02:38.130
not getting enough credit from the commentators.
01:02:38.150 --> 01:02:41.449
No, Itama didn't just get tired. He did not just
01:02:41.449 --> 01:02:44.710
get tired. He met resistance. He met a fighter
01:02:44.710 --> 01:02:46.510
who could actually hit him back, step out of
01:02:46.510 --> 01:02:48.530
range, but most importantly, take his punches.
01:02:48.650 --> 01:02:51.590
And he just didn't have the answer. Well, let's
01:02:51.590 --> 01:02:54.269
be honest. Today was supposed to be a coronation.
01:02:54.829 --> 01:02:57.329
And that's what I said. Is today going to be
01:02:57.329 --> 01:03:01.489
a coronation or an exposing? And it was the latter.
01:03:01.730 --> 01:03:05.079
Hey, hey. Hey, Trey, what's good, man? You on
01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:08.099
Brunch Boxing. What's good, Matt? First of all,
01:03:08.099 --> 01:03:10.260
Matt, let me congratulate you because you've
01:03:10.260 --> 01:03:13.219
been on fire all day, and it might have been
01:03:13.219 --> 01:03:15.059
a little... Oh, God, don't boost his head up
01:03:15.059 --> 01:03:18.179
anymore. I know, I know, but you know what? I
01:03:18.179 --> 01:03:20.679
give Matt and Ezra a hard time, but I like to
01:03:20.679 --> 01:03:22.480
give him credit when it's done, so I got to give
01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:26.059
him his flowers. KB, good to see you in the space.
01:03:26.119 --> 01:03:29.739
Always enjoy listening to your insight. But real
01:03:29.739 --> 01:03:31.900
quick, I want to go back and watch it again because
01:03:31.900 --> 01:03:34.719
the one thing everyone's been consistent about
01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:39.219
is what was happening in that camp. And I'm actually
01:03:39.219 --> 01:03:43.880
a big fan of Ben Davidson as a trainer. So I'm
01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:45.739
interested to see, I'm going to go back and watch
01:03:45.739 --> 01:03:47.920
it again and see what's going on, what he's saying
01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:51.559
to him in the corner. Because it's clear, anybody
01:03:51.559 --> 01:03:54.480
that's ever been in a fight, if you hit a guy
01:03:54.480 --> 01:03:58.949
with your best shots, and he's still not moving,
01:03:59.130 --> 01:04:03.989
you need to readjust your strategy. So whether
01:04:03.989 --> 01:04:07.409
it was either Davidson not telling him, hey,
01:04:07.590 --> 01:04:10.110
you need to set things up, kind of slow down
01:04:10.110 --> 01:04:13.530
a little bit, or was he being a kid and being
01:04:13.530 --> 01:04:16.829
immature and not listening to the corner? Because
01:04:16.829 --> 01:04:20.650
I was getting upset watching him take all those
01:04:20.650 --> 01:04:23.670
clean shots like that, but at the same time,
01:04:23.710 --> 01:04:26.400
I'm like... Uh -oh, sixth, seventh round. Uh
01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:29.219
-oh, slowing down a little bit. And he's starting
01:04:29.219 --> 01:04:32.639
to fight back. I don't like those punches that
01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:35.239
he's getting hit with. And then finally, I had
01:04:35.239 --> 01:04:36.619
to pause it because I had to go pray. And I come
01:04:36.619 --> 01:04:40.139
back, and he lays him out in the ninth round.
01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:44.199
That's like the best thing I would say for him
01:04:44.199 --> 01:04:45.940
in this moment. They're going to have to break
01:04:45.940 --> 01:04:47.599
that kid all the way down and build him back
01:04:47.599 --> 01:04:50.039
up. But I forgot who said it, but it's hard to
01:04:50.039 --> 01:04:52.300
do that when he's already been on pay -per -view.
01:04:53.000 --> 01:04:56.619
You know, the thing is, The thing is, Trey, that's
01:04:56.619 --> 01:04:58.099
a really good point about the corner. I mean,
01:04:58.119 --> 01:05:01.519
I'd love to hear what Ben Davidson said. A part
01:05:01.519 --> 01:05:05.860
of me, though, a part of me, just the vibe that
01:05:05.860 --> 01:05:08.199
I get from Atama is that, like I said, he's very
01:05:08.199 --> 01:05:10.820
confident. That's the nicest way I can put it.
01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:15.500
And I have questions about whether or not he
01:05:15.500 --> 01:05:18.860
puts in the kind of work that he's supposed to
01:05:18.860 --> 01:05:21.449
put in the... in the gym, and I don't know if
01:05:21.449 --> 01:05:24.010
it's entirely on the training staff. KB, you
01:05:24.010 --> 01:05:26.250
saying he's a British Jerry Anderson? Real quick,
01:05:26.389 --> 01:05:27.789
because it's not on the training staff at all.
01:05:27.989 --> 01:05:31.469
Because you have strength and conditioning. That's
01:05:31.469 --> 01:05:33.829
different from your boxing training. Yeah, that's
01:05:33.829 --> 01:05:37.809
different. And then not only... Taking back off
01:05:37.809 --> 01:05:41.230
of that, KB, those UK guys in general, it's a
01:05:41.230 --> 01:05:45.340
really true stereotype about UK fighters. They
01:05:45.340 --> 01:05:48.019
have a lot of confidence, but it also dances
01:05:48.019 --> 01:05:51.599
the fine line of bravado and arrogance. Where
01:05:51.599 --> 01:05:53.760
I was telling my cousin as I was watching the
01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:57.440
fight, I like watching UK fights just the fact
01:05:57.440 --> 01:06:00.599
that they're going to give us an action -packed
01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:04.019
fight nonstop. You know what I mean? So I do
01:06:04.019 --> 01:06:06.659
agree, but like I said, I'll take it a step further
01:06:06.659 --> 01:06:10.239
even if you won't. It's bravado and it's a splash
01:06:10.239 --> 01:06:13.289
of arrogance as well. So that's why I'm like,
01:06:13.329 --> 01:06:14.849
I'm really interested to see what was going on
01:06:14.849 --> 01:06:18.630
in that corner. And, you know, but I mean, that
01:06:18.630 --> 01:06:21.889
kid, I mean, we probably won't see that kid until
01:06:21.889 --> 01:06:24.969
probably the same time next year, if they're
01:06:24.969 --> 01:06:27.969
smart. Hey, let me let me throw this in. I've
01:06:27.969 --> 01:06:29.909
heard this a couple of times now on here where
01:06:29.909 --> 01:06:31.469
people were like, what do you do? He's already
01:06:31.469 --> 01:06:34.150
been on pay -per -view. I think that the question
01:06:34.150 --> 01:06:37.369
that has to be asked is, is this kid man enough?
01:06:37.820 --> 01:06:40.559
to get better. And what I mean by that is, and
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:43.099
I'll use another analogy I've used. Andre Ward.
01:06:43.519 --> 01:06:46.920
Andre Ward. KB, you read my mind. I read your
01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:51.000
mind. We think a lot alike. Andre Ward was getting
01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:54.420
fast track early in his career, and he recognized
01:06:54.420 --> 01:07:01.480
that the style that they... We lost him. Yeah,
01:07:01.659 --> 01:07:05.139
what happened? You know, Andre Ward... There
01:07:05.139 --> 01:07:10.000
you go. And he beat the shit out of Mikkel Kessler.
01:07:11.380 --> 01:07:14.099
That's his man enough to go get better for the
01:07:14.099 --> 01:07:18.239
last month. Finish his thoughts, KB. I was going
01:07:18.239 --> 01:07:20.320
to say, I mean, it's a great point because Andre
01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:23.780
Ward was, I mean, gold medalist. And I mean,
01:07:23.800 --> 01:07:26.199
he got hurt in one fight on HBO, dropped in another
01:07:26.199 --> 01:07:29.300
fight on HBO. And then I did not see him again
01:07:29.300 --> 01:07:32.619
for years. And I thought to myself, this guy's
01:07:32.619 --> 01:07:34.820
not that good. I saw him stop Gerson Ravello,
01:07:34.900 --> 01:07:37.679
but I was like, Andre Ward's a flash in the pan.
01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:41.219
When he fought Mikkel Kessler, he was a totally
01:07:41.219 --> 01:07:43.559
different fighter. I mean, they took him off
01:07:43.559 --> 01:07:47.389
TV. And developed him right. I mean, totally
01:07:47.389 --> 01:07:49.250
different fighter when he fought Mikel Kessler.
01:07:49.590 --> 01:07:51.590
Everything, style, everything. You're absolutely
01:07:51.590 --> 01:07:54.429
right, KB. But you know what, though? I was one
01:07:54.429 --> 01:07:55.710
of the few. I don't know how many people were
01:07:55.710 --> 01:07:57.550
saying it or not saying it, but I felt like I
01:07:57.550 --> 01:07:59.289
was the only one in my circle. When they announced
01:07:59.289 --> 01:08:01.550
that tournament and Kessler was his first fight.
01:08:01.690 --> 01:08:04.610
You thought he was going to win? I knew for a
01:08:04.610 --> 01:08:05.929
fact that he was going to win. I thought he was
01:08:05.929 --> 01:08:09.449
going to get whooped. I mean, I think honestly
01:08:09.449 --> 01:08:11.170
a lot of people didn't think he was going to
01:08:11.170 --> 01:08:12.929
get past that first fight, let alone win the
01:08:12.929 --> 01:08:15.030
whole entire tournament. But I thought he was
01:08:15.030 --> 01:08:17.010
going to win the whole thing. I knew he was going
01:08:17.010 --> 01:08:17.869
to win the whole thing. I'll tell you what, when
01:08:17.869 --> 01:08:19.710
I saw that Kessler fight and I saw the way he
01:08:19.710 --> 01:08:21.329
was fighting and the intelligence, and I was
01:08:21.329 --> 01:08:24.449
like, oh, he's not just good. He's pound for
01:08:24.449 --> 01:08:27.670
pound elite good. You knew it right then and
01:08:27.670 --> 01:08:31.930
there. Absolutely. Absolutely. But yeah, but
01:08:31.930 --> 01:08:33.649
like I said, I think they're going to rush that
01:08:33.649 --> 01:08:36.630
kid back in there. And I think it'll be defamational
01:08:36.630 --> 01:08:40.869
to him. That's a bad idea. I think this is the
01:08:40.869 --> 01:08:42.590
time right here where he shouldn't be listening
01:08:42.590 --> 01:08:45.170
to nobody and make the best decision for himself.
01:08:45.350 --> 01:08:46.670
And the best decision right now is to go back
01:08:46.670 --> 01:08:48.930
to the drawing board. But does he have the humility
01:08:48.930 --> 01:08:51.810
to do that? Because you have to really be honest
01:08:51.810 --> 01:08:54.189
with yourself and say, I'm really not. I mean,
01:08:54.189 --> 01:08:58.239
stereotypical UK fighter says no. But hopefully
01:08:58.239 --> 01:09:03.539
this isn't an anomaly. And he takes a step back.
01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:04.420
There have been a few fighters that have done
01:09:04.420 --> 01:09:08.960
it. Yeah, but Dubois ain't got the talent. I'm
01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:10.939
just using a recent example. Yeah, he does. I
01:09:10.939 --> 01:09:13.420
mean, it's possible. Oh, no, he doesn't. Dubois
01:09:13.420 --> 01:09:17.500
absolutely had the talent early on and was passing
01:09:17.500 --> 01:09:19.619
every eye test that everybody thought that they
01:09:19.619 --> 01:09:21.500
saw put in front of him. Well, that's because
01:09:21.500 --> 01:09:24.859
he's got really good power in both hands. In
01:09:24.859 --> 01:09:27.020
the same way that Itama was. He's got really
01:09:27.020 --> 01:09:30.180
good power. He also has that ramrod jab. Right.
01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:32.840
Everyone has to have a reckoning with themselves.
01:09:33.260 --> 01:09:37.779
I just picked up Marqueen, but I will say I think
01:09:37.779 --> 01:09:39.500
Dubois is a little overrated. That's just my
01:09:39.500 --> 01:09:43.380
opinion. Well, he's a champion again. Champion.
01:09:45.180 --> 01:09:50.239
What's up, Octagon? I enjoyed the fight. You?
01:09:51.779 --> 01:09:54.859
Yeah, that's why we're talking about it. Yeah.
01:09:56.230 --> 01:10:00.649
It was so fun, you know, to, you know, especially
01:10:00.649 --> 01:10:03.449
for the so -called British boxing media with
01:10:03.449 --> 01:10:06.890
all their big mouths. Yeah, well, I'm very happy
01:10:06.890 --> 01:10:10.770
that you enjoyed the fight. Speaking of British
01:10:10.770 --> 01:10:13.670
people with big mouths, Saqib, what's going on,
01:10:13.710 --> 01:10:18.510
man? You're on Brunch Boxing. Good evening. Hello.
01:10:18.949 --> 01:10:22.489
How are you doing? Oh, yeah, you got to go. You
01:10:22.489 --> 01:10:29.600
got low energy. Dev, what's going on, man? What
01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:31.439
up, man? What up, everybody? Great conversation,
01:10:31.680 --> 01:10:35.640
fellas. Yeah, man, that was an interesting watch.
01:10:36.199 --> 01:10:39.960
I think the kid has a lot of skills, but one
01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:42.579
thing I was questioning is what is his reach?
01:10:43.020 --> 01:10:45.340
Because he lunges a lot, and he was throwing
01:10:45.340 --> 01:10:47.100
big shots, and I think that played a part in
01:10:47.100 --> 01:10:49.560
a gas tank. Yeah, he has four arms for heavyweight.
01:10:49.659 --> 01:10:51.619
He's about like 79 -inch reach, something like
01:10:51.619 --> 01:10:55.380
that. And he's 6 '4". So it's wild. So I think
01:10:55.380 --> 01:10:57.779
that's going to plague him. Whether they fix
01:10:57.779 --> 01:10:59.479
the condition or not, I mean, he still has to
01:10:59.479 --> 01:11:03.039
lunge in. I just thought that was an interesting
01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:06.659
sort of take. He was landing shots, though. Yeah,
01:11:06.659 --> 01:11:08.880
but if he can't put you away like he couldn't
01:11:08.880 --> 01:11:12.960
today, that's more energy wasted in a tank that's
01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:16.039
questionable already. Yeah, good point, good
01:11:16.039 --> 01:11:18.689
point. Hey, Ezra, I'm with you, man. I don't
01:11:18.689 --> 01:11:20.810
know if he lost or I don't know if Hergovich
01:11:20.810 --> 01:11:23.390
beat him or he lost himself, man. Hey, here's
01:11:23.390 --> 01:11:25.970
what I know. Hergovich, he was durable enough.
01:11:26.430 --> 01:11:28.909
Here's what I know. One nigga was in the ring
01:11:28.909 --> 01:11:31.229
giving a speech. The other one got carried out
01:11:31.229 --> 01:11:35.750
on a stretcher. They gave him a wedgie putting
01:11:35.750 --> 01:11:37.590
him on the stretcher. That's so embarrassing.
01:11:38.930 --> 01:11:46.970
Man couldn't even stand. He's just 21. That's
01:11:46.970 --> 01:11:48.649
all the more reason why his cardio should not
01:11:48.649 --> 01:11:55.069
be that bad. He's a younger fighter. I guarantee
01:11:55.069 --> 01:11:58.970
you that motherfucker got rhabdo. I guarantee
01:11:58.970 --> 01:12:03.229
it. That fight gave him rhabdo because he looked
01:12:03.229 --> 01:12:07.109
like Bermane Stiverne after the first wilder
01:12:07.109 --> 01:12:10.170
fight where he had to stay in the hospital for
01:12:10.170 --> 01:12:12.449
a long time after that. He looked like he had
01:12:12.449 --> 01:12:16.079
that rhabdo, man. Were there any other fights
01:12:16.079 --> 01:12:20.159
worth mentioning? I liked, I thought Noak looked
01:12:20.159 --> 01:12:21.979
good. I thought Noak looked really good. And
01:12:21.979 --> 01:12:23.680
I thought Benjamin looked a little old. So, I
01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:25.840
mean, there's that too. But I do like Noak. Really?
01:12:25.939 --> 01:12:27.560
You thought he looked good? Yeah, I thought Noak
01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:29.140
looked good. You think Noak looked good? He didn't
01:12:29.140 --> 01:12:31.560
look that good. Really? He looked better versus
01:12:31.560 --> 01:12:33.729
Abdullah. I thought that was very much a different
01:12:33.729 --> 01:12:35.750
style fight the entire way. Because Abdullah,
01:12:35.850 --> 01:12:37.449
they're coming out, they're coming right in front
01:12:37.449 --> 01:12:39.470
of each other. But this fight right here, I mean,
01:12:39.470 --> 01:12:41.069
that guy was just trying to kind of avoid it.
01:12:41.329 --> 01:12:44.170
Well, I mean, honestly, Noakes was typically
01:12:44.170 --> 01:12:48.229
kind of like bullying Abdullah back a lot of
01:12:48.229 --> 01:12:50.390
the time. Here against Berencik, he was trying
01:12:50.390 --> 01:12:52.329
to fence with him, and he was losing the fencing
01:12:52.329 --> 01:12:54.890
match by and large. It wasn't really... I'm kind
01:12:54.890 --> 01:12:57.670
of wondering, Ezra, were you distracted in watching
01:12:57.670 --> 01:12:59.369
the fight today? Wait, wait, wait. Do you guys
01:12:59.369 --> 01:13:02.970
think that Berencik won the fight? No, but I
01:13:02.970 --> 01:13:04.630
don't think Noakes looked good, though, at all.
01:13:04.770 --> 01:13:06.390
I didn't think he did, but I thought he could
01:13:06.390 --> 01:13:09.649
have. Sure, yeah. It was a close fight. Nah,
01:13:09.810 --> 01:13:11.590
I don't think that's us. I think Noakes did it.
01:13:13.640 --> 01:13:17.500
Yeah, that wasn't close at all. I think Nokes
01:13:17.500 --> 01:13:20.119
looked uncomfortable because of Baranchuk's style.
01:13:20.619 --> 01:13:23.899
But nah, Baranchuk ain't doing shit. Nokes started
01:13:23.899 --> 01:13:26.319
finding the body. I saw him land a lot of punches
01:13:26.319 --> 01:13:28.180
on Nokes. And Nokes started finding the body
01:13:28.180 --> 01:13:30.979
and placing the shots. He's not a guy that's
01:13:30.979 --> 01:13:32.500
going to put a bunch of stuff together. But when
01:13:32.500 --> 01:13:34.119
he started placing his shots right, I thought
01:13:34.119 --> 01:13:37.199
he looked really good. And I think he didn't
01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:38.939
do enough of that. And he let the fight be closer
01:13:38.939 --> 01:13:42.979
than it should have been. You know what? I think
01:13:42.979 --> 01:13:45.000
two minutes was enough time to spend on this
01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:48.140
fight. All right. Anything else on this undercard
01:13:48.140 --> 01:13:49.760
you want to talk about, Ezra? No, that's it.
01:13:51.000 --> 01:13:52.500
All right. You want to talk about the women?
01:13:52.600 --> 01:13:55.239
I didn't see it. You tell me. I didn't see it
01:13:55.239 --> 01:13:56.800
either. Okay, so what are we going to talk about?
01:13:56.880 --> 01:13:59.760
What is there to talk about, my friend? Chantel
01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:03.760
Cameron is a stud. Yeah, Chantel. I want to...
01:14:03.760 --> 01:14:08.979
Hey, Chantel Cameron, here... Here's what I would
01:14:08.979 --> 01:14:11.560
say about that fight, Matt. Not only did Cameron
01:14:11.560 --> 01:14:13.859
fight well. Can you guys hear me? Yeah, you good,
01:14:13.939 --> 01:14:16.180
bro? Yeah. Okay, I'm just making sure because
01:14:16.180 --> 01:14:20.180
I cut out earlier. Clarissa Shields is probably
01:14:20.180 --> 01:14:22.319
too big for Chantel Cameron, but that is the
01:14:22.319 --> 01:14:23.960
fight they should make, and here's why. Cliff,
01:14:23.960 --> 01:14:29.380
did you call her a stud? She is a stud. Chantel
01:14:29.380 --> 01:14:34.090
Cameron is a stud. I really like Chantel Cameron.
01:14:34.170 --> 01:14:36.810
I think she's a very good fighter. And you can
01:14:36.810 --> 01:14:38.770
sell a fight between her and Clarissa now that
01:14:38.770 --> 01:14:41.029
she's a junior middleweight champion. Yeah, yeah.
01:14:41.870 --> 01:14:45.609
Because here's how you sell it. Can Chantel Cameron
01:14:45.609 --> 01:14:47.630
be the first person? And the answer will be no.
01:14:47.770 --> 01:14:50.270
But can she be the first person to beat Katie
01:14:50.270 --> 01:14:54.170
Taylor and Clarissa Shields? That is a selling
01:14:54.170 --> 01:14:57.210
point. And Clarissa Shields needs a, I mean,
01:14:57.229 --> 01:15:01.109
she's selling on her own right now. Imagine you
01:15:01.109 --> 01:15:02.710
put her with an opponent where that's the kind
01:15:02.710 --> 01:15:04.909
of question you can ask. Now you have a real
01:15:04.909 --> 01:15:07.909
event for her. And I really hope they can make
01:15:07.909 --> 01:15:11.220
that. Rolando Romero. I love that fight. Yeah,
01:15:11.220 --> 01:15:13.119
it's a good marketing device. That's a good one.
01:15:15.140 --> 01:15:18.140
That's a good narrative for me to push after
01:15:18.140 --> 01:15:23.000
Clarissa Dominator. Clarissa versus Rowley. Matt,
01:15:23.119 --> 01:15:28.859
what are we doing? Biggest fighting box. Let
01:15:28.859 --> 01:15:32.060
me ask you a question, Cliff. Let me ask you
01:15:32.060 --> 01:15:36.340
a question, Cliff. Little inside baseball. Right
01:15:36.340 --> 01:15:39.500
now, Philip Hergovich is considered the number
01:15:39.500 --> 01:15:46.159
six. according to the TBRB. Moses Hatama is considered
01:15:46.159 --> 01:15:50.100
the number nine heavyweight, according to the
01:15:50.100 --> 01:15:54.000
TBRB. In front of them are Joseph Parker, Tyson
01:15:54.000 --> 01:15:57.300
Fury, Fabio Wardley, Ajit Khabib, and Daniel
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Dubois. Can you see Filip Hergovich going as
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high as number three in the heavyweight division
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based upon this victory? Who's at number three
01:16:08.500 --> 01:16:15.300
right now? Fabio Wardley. Yeah. I mean, why wouldn't
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he go in front of Wardley? I mean, Wardley lost
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his last fight. Against the same dude that beat
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up Hergevitz. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean,
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three could be kind of high. I have a hard time
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putting him in front of somebody like Tyson Fury,
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even though Fury hasn't had a big win in a while.
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Oh, come on. Enough with Tyson Fury. Yeah, I
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mean, I don't know. I mean, look. It is impressive
01:16:39.779 --> 01:16:42.340
that he stood up to that barrage of punches tonight.
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But, I mean, I don't know. Three, I mean, it's
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a loose time in heavyweight. Three makes as much
01:16:49.699 --> 01:16:51.840
sense as anything. Three or four, yeah. I mean,
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he beat a top -ten opponent. Tyson Fury hasn't
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done that in several years, so. Yeah, I agree.
01:16:59.500 --> 01:17:03.479
I agree. Now, if we're going. Last week and got
01:17:03.479 --> 01:17:05.739
our welterweight rankings fixed finally, so that
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was good. Yeah. If we're going pound for pound,
01:17:09.699 --> 01:17:14.720
Cliff, in the women's pound for pound, Mikayla
01:17:14.720 --> 01:17:17.560
May was number three. Chantel Cameron was number
01:17:17.560 --> 01:17:20.939
four. Katie Taylor's two. Clarissa Shields is
01:17:20.939 --> 01:17:24.760
number one. Are we moving Chantel Cameron to
01:17:24.760 --> 01:17:35.380
number one or to number two? Number two. I mean,
01:17:35.399 --> 01:17:37.239
I think you can make a case for number two. That's
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a big win. And her loss to Katie Taylor was several
01:17:41.479 --> 01:17:47.220
years ago. And that loss was close as hell. I
01:17:47.220 --> 01:17:49.760
mean, the second fight was close in Ireland.
01:17:50.659 --> 01:17:53.739
Yeah, I thought she won. And I'm not trying to
01:17:53.739 --> 01:17:56.270
be mean. But Katie Taylor ducked a smoke on the
01:17:56.270 --> 01:17:59.529
third fight. And nobody called her on it. And
01:17:59.529 --> 01:18:01.369
I get it. Katie Taylor is really nice. Well,
01:18:01.409 --> 01:18:03.670
and relatively speaking, Cameron's done better
01:18:03.670 --> 01:18:06.689
work since they fought. But, I mean, you know.
01:18:06.810 --> 01:18:10.010
I mean, you fight. I mean, they had that third
01:18:10.010 --> 01:18:12.869
fight with. The third fight with Serrano was
01:18:12.869 --> 01:18:17.050
unnecessary. And the one person who beat you
01:18:17.050 --> 01:18:19.520
in your career, straight up. doesn't get a chance
01:18:19.520 --> 01:18:21.859
to finish the series, that never sat right with
01:18:21.859 --> 01:18:25.579
me. So, you know, number two works for me. Now,
01:18:25.600 --> 01:18:28.180
Caroline Dubois won her matchup pretty clearly.
01:18:28.539 --> 01:18:31.140
Yeah, but she didn't look good. She didn't look
01:18:31.140 --> 01:18:35.039
good. So we can't put Amanda Serrano out to pasture
01:18:35.039 --> 01:18:39.619
yet. Not yet, no. Even though Amanda Serrano
01:18:39.619 --> 01:18:42.699
skated by the skin of her teeth. I mean, she's
01:18:42.699 --> 01:18:44.779
almost, you know, she's getting up in her late
01:18:44.779 --> 01:18:47.460
30s too. I mean, everybody's going to get old
01:18:47.460 --> 01:18:51.630
eventually. So, Ro, you thought Caroline looked
01:18:51.630 --> 01:18:54.710
bad? I thought she looked meh. She didn't look
01:18:54.710 --> 01:18:57.090
bad. She didn't look good either. She didn't
01:18:57.090 --> 01:18:59.829
look like she has. She didn't look like somebody
01:18:59.829 --> 01:19:02.329
that I would pick over Alicia Baumgartner. Hey,
01:19:02.350 --> 01:19:05.989
yo, Matt. Sakiba's kicked out, so he couldn't
01:19:05.989 --> 01:19:07.430
make this point, but it's an interesting point.
01:19:08.289 --> 01:19:11.369
Boyz II Tom's brother did just have a heart attack.
01:19:13.850 --> 01:19:16.890
Oh, come on. I don't know. Maybe there's something
01:19:16.890 --> 01:19:19.020
in genetics here. that these guys have issues
01:19:19.020 --> 01:19:20.720
with that, but he did also have a heart attack,
01:19:20.840 --> 01:19:22.939
and he's predominantly, I think his brother's
01:19:22.939 --> 01:19:24.960
same age as Moses. I don't know if they're similar
01:19:24.960 --> 01:19:28.680
age. Or maybe he's just not that great of shape,
01:19:28.779 --> 01:19:31.840
and we all overlook the fact that he's got a
01:19:31.840 --> 01:19:34.560
beer belly under some abs. Like, KB pointed it
01:19:34.560 --> 01:19:37.840
out earlier. He's fleshy. Like, he doesn't look
01:19:37.840 --> 01:19:40.880
like he's in peak shape. And he got that Ernie
01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:42.819
Shavers hairline, so he might be a little bit
01:19:42.819 --> 01:19:47.779
advanced. That is unfortunate about the heart
01:19:47.779 --> 01:19:49.100
attack for his brother, though. I'm not making
01:19:49.100 --> 01:19:56.640
light of that. Yeah. All right. Shakur Stevenson
01:19:56.640 --> 01:19:59.140
is going to announce his fight in the next couple
01:19:59.140 --> 01:20:04.920
of days. What are we thinking? Moritaya. Announce
01:20:04.920 --> 01:20:08.979
it. So, Roll, you thinking Moritaya? Yeah, I
01:20:08.979 --> 01:20:15.260
think they're going to fight Moritaya. A 135
01:20:15.260 --> 01:20:18.819
or 140? I think he might go back to 135. No,
01:20:18.819 --> 01:20:20.359
more time. Remember, he said he's done at 135.
01:20:20.600 --> 01:20:23.420
He's going to 140. Maybe they do it at 140. I
01:20:23.420 --> 01:20:25.859
think that's a good fight. I could see that fight
01:20:25.859 --> 01:20:30.300
happening. That's a better fight than Rayo. I
01:20:30.300 --> 01:20:32.659
mean, but, you know, I mean, it depends. If he's
01:20:32.659 --> 01:20:34.399
going to make as much for Ryo as he does for
01:20:34.399 --> 01:20:38.699
Murataya, he might take Ryo. Tonight, we have
01:20:38.699 --> 01:20:42.180
Lester Martinez versus Luka Plantic for the WBC
01:20:42.180 --> 01:20:46.109
interim. Super Middleweight Championship. Lester
01:20:46.109 --> 01:20:49.470
Martinez is a huge favorite. Any chance Croatia
01:20:49.470 --> 01:20:52.550
makes it two for two and Luka Plantic upsets
01:20:52.550 --> 01:21:01.710
Lester Martinez? I don't see it. Okay. All right.
01:21:03.229 --> 01:21:06.510
Hey, we'll see. We'll see. I think it's a chance
01:21:06.510 --> 01:21:14.939
there. Hey. The Croats, man. They're out here
01:21:14.939 --> 01:21:18.380
fighting. And they're fighting hard. That was
01:21:18.380 --> 01:21:21.260
the first Croatian heavyweight champ today? Yes.
01:21:23.600 --> 01:21:26.840
Yeah, I think we gotta update the all -time great
01:21:26.840 --> 01:21:37.979
by country. Oh. Yep. What's on the Martinez undercard?
01:21:39.369 --> 01:21:43.210
We got Najee Lopez versus Juan Carrillo. We have
01:21:43.210 --> 01:21:46.890
short dog Jordan White going up against Luis
01:21:46.890 --> 01:21:51.829
Torres Valenzuela. And we also have Ramon Cardenas.
01:21:52.069 --> 01:21:58.909
Yep. Good little call for $5. Good little call
01:21:58.909 --> 01:22:02.189
for $5. So this is the first event on the $5
01:22:02.189 --> 01:22:05.250
thing. Yep. Okay, yeah. Let me go ahead and add
01:22:05.250 --> 01:22:13.670
a support. Yep, yep, yep. Hey, listen, this has
01:22:13.670 --> 01:22:16.449
been fun. Hey, listen, any of you guys want to
01:22:16.449 --> 01:22:19.670
get your thoughts in before we end the show?
01:22:20.050 --> 01:22:22.250
You know, feel free to send a request to speak.
01:22:22.489 --> 01:22:26.729
We'll add you. Let your voice be heard. I do
01:22:26.729 --> 01:22:29.109
want to send out some thoughts, Matt, to MVP
01:22:29.109 --> 01:22:32.630
and tell them that Clarissa Shields' curse is
01:22:32.630 --> 01:22:35.289
real, man. Just focus on the fights. Stop trying
01:22:35.289 --> 01:22:38.409
to put these girls up against Clarissa and jumping
01:22:38.409 --> 01:22:40.899
the gun, man. They keep losing. In the words
01:22:40.899 --> 01:22:43.800
of Terrence Crawford, focus on your fight before
01:22:43.800 --> 01:22:50.579
you don't make it to your fight. Damn, damn,
01:22:50.619 --> 01:22:56.399
damn, damn. I don't know why. Whenever I get
01:22:56.399 --> 01:22:59.640
a big fight right and Ezra gets it wrong, I feel
01:22:59.640 --> 01:23:03.159
so good, man. You know, I got the Chantel Cameron
01:23:03.159 --> 01:23:05.840
one right. That wasn't a big fight. Yeah, my
01:23:05.840 --> 01:23:10.899
boy. He had big hooks. I still got big hopes.
01:23:10.939 --> 01:23:13.060
Hold on. Ezra, I didn't think about that fight
01:23:13.060 --> 01:23:14.520
or break down that fight. I wasn't expecting
01:23:14.520 --> 01:23:16.659
us to have to do that fight. That's right. I
01:23:16.659 --> 01:23:18.359
just went with the American. Funny part about
01:23:18.359 --> 01:23:21.600
it, though, is you had a seven -point swing there,
01:23:21.739 --> 01:23:24.840
but I came back and got it. I'm just starting
01:23:24.840 --> 01:23:26.800
to play right now. I still believe in Moses Otama.
01:23:27.000 --> 01:23:29.159
He gets his cardio right, he's going to run that
01:23:29.159 --> 01:23:32.579
division. And keep your eyes out, everybody,
01:23:32.680 --> 01:23:34.460
this week. Hall of Fame ballots should be coming
01:23:34.460 --> 01:23:39.500
out this week. Ooh. Those should piss me off.
01:23:39.939 --> 01:23:45.279
Yes. We'll see who the three new names are. I'll
01:23:45.279 --> 01:23:50.060
be curious to see who that is this year. All
01:23:50.060 --> 01:23:54.699
right. We'll see. Lester Martinez post -fight,
01:23:54.800 --> 01:23:58.579
Ezra? I'm down. All right. Listen, we will be
01:23:58.579 --> 01:24:01.359
back again with the third edition of Bunch Boxing
01:24:01.359 --> 01:24:04.479
in one day. We give you guys content, man. Holler
01:24:04.479 --> 01:24:08.010
at us. Lester Martinez post -fight. It should
01:24:08.010 --> 01:24:11.630
be a barn burner. But this has been another edition
01:24:11.630 --> 01:24:13.550
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