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Welcome to Brightbone, the podcast about real human connections across generations, cultures, and everyday life.
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I'm Patrick Duryo, and here we share real conversations that leaves you with practical ideas to create more connection.
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I'm very excited today because we're gonna speak about a theme which is very interesting.
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In a world full of contact, how does real connection feel in a buzzing city?
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In today's episode, we explore connection through the eyes of William Pinkerton, a young financial representative from the United States.
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Real represents a generation that is highly connected digitally, constantly exposed to opportunity, ambition and movement yet often navigating pressure, speed and sometimes isolation.
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In a world shaped by social media and constant change, we ask a simple but important question how easy is it really for this generation to build meaningful human connection?
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In this conversation we explore what connection means from his generation's perspective, what feels real and what feels superficial, and what young adults in the US may be missing when it comes to human relationships.
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Thank you, thank you.
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I'm excited to be here.
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Wonderful, great.
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Uh Will, I just wanted to ask you for our listeners, how old are you and where are you based?
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I am 26 and I'm based in the New York metropolitan area.
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All right, great.
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So you're not too far from Manhattan, are you?
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No, I am not too far from Manhattan.
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I uh I work in uh Midtown and uh you know been growing up, I grew up in in Jersey and uh been going to New York, you know, all my life.
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So okay, wonderful.
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Yeah, it's great.
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Uh it goes very well with uh the topic of today.
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Uh New York is a very buzzing city, it's a massive city as well, huge, and that's gonna be very interesting as well to have your point of view and how uh connections works in massive and huge cities.
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Also, I'd like to ask you a positive uh question uh that I do oftentimes with my guests is what gives you positive energy at the moment, Will?
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I think what gives me positive energy is the fact that you can wake up and shape every day exactly how you want it.
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And it completely depends on your mentality.
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And like everybody else, it you know, it flows.
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But at the end of the day, you just got to make sure to have a positive attitude.
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And I think that's what gives me energy is that you know, today can always be a good day.
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Okay, that's great.
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That's a great mindset that you have here, very positive.
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And uh, as you say, sounds that you are in control of what you want to do, and that's great to hear from your generation as well.
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Um, the podcast, of course, is about connection and human connection.
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And I wanted to ask you uh my first question about this topic, actually.
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Um, when you think about the word connection, uh what does it mean to you personally at this stage of your life?
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I think for me it means you know having people that that you can call upon and that can call upon you for you know guidance, reassurance, um you know, having people in your circle who support you and who you support as well on a deep level, is that's what it means to me.
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Okay, that's really uh short to the point, but you make total sense.
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I think it's really uh you know clear, absolutely.
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So people you can really rely on and uh call uh for deep topic or for potentially issues you might have or challenges.
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Yeah, or just you know, people who you who you share your life with, right?
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Even even in you know smaller capacities as well.
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So like you know honesty and true transparency with one another is really important, and you know the friendships that you make through you know honesty, showing yourself, you know, sharing interests, sharing passions, sharing, you know, what makes you upset, um, anything like that is uh is crucial.
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Yeah, I totally agree with you.
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It's very uh, as you said, important also to uh rely on people who are close to you.
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Uh that's very important.
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And I wanted to go a bit deeper in that topic if it's okay with you.
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Uh I wanted to uh 100%.
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So great.
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I wanted to ask you again, um, and from your perspective, you're a young uh gentleman.
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Um, do you think it's easy or do you think it's more difficult today for young adults in general in the US to uh to create friendships and uh meaningful relationships?
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You just spoke about your definition of uh what is important, what is meaningful relationship.
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How is it uh for you today?
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Is it easy or not?
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And uh maybe specifically, it's very interesting for our listeners that uh in big cities like New York and Manhattan, you know, how is it specifically New York?
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Yeah, I I think it's interesting because you know, like I said, I'm I'm 26 and you know the the relationship um dynamic or you know ability to make friends and connections definitely changes, you know, from from childhood to where I'm at now.
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You know, when you're when you're younger, it's particularly easy because I think that there's you know less inhibition in sharing what you're what you're passionate about when you're younger, right?
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You know, you want to go outside, you want to catch frogs, or you want to play soccer or anything like that.
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Or, you know, some somebody comes up to you and says, Oh my god, do you want to you know play with play with my toy?
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This would be great, you know, versus where I'm at now in life, it's it's a little bit different because you know, you tend to one, be a little bit set in your ways.
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You know, you've had those friends that you've made, you know, throughout, you know, your your years, your organizations, and et cetera.
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Um, so I think now as uh as a young adult, um, making connections can be a little bit more difficult, but you know, that's why I find it important to, you know, be open about who you are.
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Um and you know, connection will come to you if if you are open about who you are, what you enjoy, what you do, what you're passionate about, almost like a magnet, right?
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So, you know, join join an organization, be a little bit more outgoing about you know what you enjoy, join like a run club, you know, play the sport that you like, you know, don't be afraid to, you know, say, hey, let's you know get together or you know, bond on something small and see if that grows.
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That's very interesting.
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And and do you think it's easier being actually in a bigger city or close to a very large city than maybe in the countryside?
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Uh do you how that that's play a role uh in your point of view?
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Yeah, this is interesting because I actually, you know, it's the same but in different ways.
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Right.
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So, you know, I come from a relatively small town in in New Jersey, and you know, there's a there's not a lot of people my age who stick around.
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Um you know, we we move to you know bigger cities to find work and uh you know spread out across the country.
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And in the big city, it's you know, everybody's there, right?
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But there's this thing, it's like the bigger the party, you know, the you know, harder it is to connect with everybody.
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You tend to stay in your clique, and and it's kind of that way.
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So finding finding connection is can be difficult in both for different reasons.
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One for a lack of people, and one for you know, too many because the pool is so big that you don't want to take a deeper dive.
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Yeah, that's a very interesting about, as you said, bigger pool.
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I imagine, of course, in New York there's so many people.
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Let's maybe go a bit deeper with that uh theme.
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I think it's quite interesting.
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And we spoke uh in the intro about uh the digital world.
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I'd like to understand from your uh perspective, your generation obviously is constantly connected digitally.
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Uh so from your perspective, do you think technology helps connection?
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Or does it sometimes create only the illusion of connection?
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Yeah, I mean, this is something that you know a lot of people are talking about now because you know, we're the most connected generation ever.
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We have, you know, so many means of connecting with one another via social media and all these different outlets.
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But you know, as a whole, we're we're a particularly lonely generation, which is very funny.
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Um I I think the illusion can be true.
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And it depends on how you use social media.
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You know, people are using social media in very powerful ways to create genuine connection and find communities in ways that they wouldn't have been able to do so um without it.
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You know, and it it veers back to that point um, you know, I spoke about in the very beginning, which is you know, sharing your interests genuinely and uh and expecting that that people will share those interests and and want to connect with you.
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And I think social media gives you the power to you know share those things with a much broader audience, you know, rather than you know, cold outreach like that.
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Um and that's great.
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So it just depends on how you participate and interact with it.
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Um you know, there are definitely people who feel that you know social media is kind of this you know fake tool, it's not real, and that can that can be true.
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Um, but I also think it's a very powerful tool.
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So it depends entirely on the individual.
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Sure.
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That makes that makes sense.
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So the consumption and how we use it.
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How about AI?
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What is your view on AI being 26 years old?
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What is your view of AI at the of today?
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AI is funny.
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AI is funny because it's uh, you know, I don't think about AI as a as a tool for connection necessarily.
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Um, I think about it as, you know, well, in the in the very beginning as as something I can go to to you know check check my own thinking on things, you know, help you study, etc.
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But um, you know, people interact with AI almost on a daily basis.
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Um, at least at least the people I'm talking to.
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And, you know, it can be a sounding board for issues in your life, right?
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You know, if you are a lonely individual and and you're having trouble, you know, making connections with you know real people, you know, you can find yourself talking to A high and it kind of, you know, it very often will tell you, it's like, oh yeah, that's you know, great idea.
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That's amazing.
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You're on the you're on the right track.
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And in the in the very beginning, you know, I kept seeing things actually on social media about um, you know, people younger than I am now kind of using it as as this friend, this sounding board, this therapist, kind of um as a way to combat their their loneliness.
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So it's interesting.
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It has it has the capability to help, but you know, I don't think anything um other than real connection will ever replace real connection.
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Yeah, that's very interesting.
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And uh, as you said, it's also interesting that you uh first of all share with us what you hear about your your friends, but also what you see with maybe younger generation, which is also uh interesting to see that they might trust AI quite a bit uh for advising them basically on on choices they want to do in life.
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Um from what you hear from your generation, how is it going regarding this specific topic?
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Do you feel that people are have the right measure using AI uh as a sounding board, or do you feel that people they rely too much on AI?
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This is the this is interesting.
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I my personal opinion is that people could be using AI a little bit less.
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I think if if you don't use it, you lose it.
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Um you know, if you're if you're constantly you know referring to your you know AI agent about everything, you lose the capability to think about things critically.
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You know, you can ask it you know a question and it answers it very quickly.
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But you know, the more you refer to AI for things, the less ability you're gonna have to figure those things out on your own.
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And pretty soon we're gonna be walking around, you know, wondering, you know, what the hell we were doing without you know every answer we want right at our fingertips.
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And and originally that was kind of the the big boom with the internet as well.
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It's like information is so easy, you know, the idea of going to you know a library and and going going through all the books and finding the correct annotations and you know getting that way was so crazy.
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And I think we're early enough in AI to where um you know we're not we're not seeing that on a on a massive, massive scale yet.
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But it's definitely a very, very prevalent issue and something that is being talked about.
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That's very interesting.
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Uh what you just said regarding uh again how we uh get information from the past.
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As you say, you might have gone to a book, and now you've got all the information on your smartphone.
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I had recently uh heard someone saying that they believe that uh in the future maybe doing a degree or master's would not be necessary anymore because you have everything on AI.
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What is your view on that?
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I don't know.
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I think uh I think that higher education is always going to be pursued because it's gonna it's gonna provide a level of depth that you simply can't get um, you know, just from all the information in your fingertips.
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It's like you can get the answers from things, but for people seeking out higher education in in fields that are very specialized, you know, you need the deeper understanding.
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It's like you can you can use AI to you know code a website or make an app, but if you don't have a a certain level of you know depth and understanding about how it works on you know a specific scale, it's just a bunch of hoopla on on your computer.
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You know, you need you need that deeper knowledge to really be able to implement uh those kind of things in your real life.
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Sure.
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I I totally agree with you.
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I think critical thinking is uh very important and very important to continue having and to continue uh nurturing as well.
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And uh that goes with uh exercising like any anything else.
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If you don't uh exercise your your mind being critical, uh not uh accepting everything from for granted, uh then of course uh it's a it's a good habit.
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But yeah, it's very interesting to have your point of view uh regarding AI and social media.
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So thanks for for that.
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I would like to pivot a little bit now, uh more to uh I would say human uh connection, so uh human to human, eyeball to eyeball.
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Uh I go sometimes to uh personally to network events, uh business uh networking events.
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I wanted to uh to ask you in the world, because you're also very connected in a business standpoint, uh, in those networking events, uh, from your experience, uh, what is the difference between networking and maybe genuinely genuine human connection?
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Yeah, I mean, I don't really find there to be a distinction, right?
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You you think about putting the two in in these two separate categories, but from a networking standpoint, you know, if you're not being genuine, you know, you're gonna be terrible at networking.
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Right?
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True.
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You look at somebody like, you know, how how is this you know relationship mu mutually beneficial to us?
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You know, what can what can I get out of this?
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You know, you you should always put your best foot forward in every interaction, but you know, a lack of being genuine, you know, and and real depth connection, you know, it it doesn't go anywhere.
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Really strive to get to know everybody you're talking to, pay attention, listen attentively, you know, really, you know, try to try to go deeper.
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So I don't I don't find there to really be a distinction because without the other, you know, it's pointless.
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Yeah, I agree with you.
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That's uh you know, you mentioned a few times uh to be genuine, I think it's a very uh great uh quality and vision you have already at your age.
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I think it's so important.
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Uh so for me, and as as you know, I'm I'm a coach, I see a great deal of maturity in what you say just right now.
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So it's really uh refreshing to hear that, I have to say.
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Thank you, thank you.
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I also wanted to uh uh if you allow me to go a bit deeper.
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Um, I'd like to understand a bit more how is your life as a 26 year old uh gentleman.
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Um speaking again today, uh, we speak uh quite a bit about loneliness.
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Uh in a business standpoint, we speak about pressure.
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Um, and I'd like to understand from your view, uh young men today, do you do you think they speak about loneliness?
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Do they speak about pressure?
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Do they need more uh deeper friendship, or is it still something many of you guys are keeping to yourself?
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What is your view on that?
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Yeah, I don't I don't know.
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It's it's something that has definitely been circling.
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And I, you know, I can't speak for for everybody, but it's it's something that's definitely been in my in my purview, especially recently.
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And and my opinion is is that you know loneliness, you know, for for young men and honestly for everybody, isn't, you know, necessarily new topic.
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And I think this is where you know social media and our access to information really plays into it because you know it's something that has always been prevalent, but because we're so tapped in now, it seems that the you know alarms are you know much louder than they used to be.
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So I don't think that it's new that people are lonely or young men are lonely or feeling the pressure.
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I think you know people have always felt the pressure, and because you know everybody's talking to the world, you know, on their on their microphones, on social media, um it's something that people are paying attention to a little bit more now.
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No, I agree with you.
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I think if we would take uh my grandfathers and uh my grandmothers, obviously, probably they would never talk about it, even though they probably lived it and felt it, felt the loneliness.
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So I totally agree with you that's uh the media to speak more about it.
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Uh, I would be curious to understand from again, I know you cannot speak to all the for all your generation, but I would be curious to uh you know to know if this topic, you know, among your friends, do you speak a bit more about you know what does deeper friendship mean?
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Or is it something that's the type of topic you you guys never talk about?
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Yeah, I mean, I I have uh you know a couple good friends, and and you know, we do we talk about these things often.
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Um we we tend to be pretty pretty spread out.
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You know, I don't have friends that are you know here in uh in the New York metropolitan area, have you know friends down down south and you know friends in on the West Coast.
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And it can be it can be a little bit difficult, especially when you know the people you're closest with aren't in your immediate um area or or close to get to.
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That's the power of technology, is having the having the ability to talk to them as as as much as possible.
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Um and that and that goes back to why you know genuine connection is so important because if you don't have that sounding board, if you don't have people that you can go to and say, hey, like, you know, I'm really you know, I'm having a really rough day, or you know, things aren't going the way I wanted, or you know, you're thinking about your career and you're like, dude, I need you know, somebody, somebody to bounce these ideas off of.
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If you don't have that, it can really be daunting.
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It can be, it can be very daunting.
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So having you know good friends that you can talk to about it are important, and it's something that you know me and my friends talk about at least.
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Okay, that's great to to hear that uh you have this open conversation with your friends, uh close friends, uh, to speak uh you know about deep feelings and uh you know what's going on with the connection and uh connecting with people.
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That's really uh really nice to hear, I have to say.
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Um I also wanted to ask you regarding again your young uh financial advisor, you're in the business world, uh, I would assume you're pretty uh ambitious in the career, like a lot of young people today, which is great.
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I wanted to ask you um what is uh maybe the focus uh when you think about your career, do you think that the focus can sometimes uh be a bit of a cost for connection, or do you think it goes together?
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Yeah, I can I it can be a blessing and a curse.
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It can be a blessing and a curse.
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It's all about um, you know honestly how you allocate your time, right?
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If you're if you're busy and you're you know you make a clear distinction of the two, you know, my my frame of thinking around work is you know what I strive for is a non distinction between work and play.
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Right.
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And I I'm talking to people constantly.
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Um, you know, whether whether that be people in the office, whether that be people I'm reaching out to.
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And, you know, taking every opportunity to kind of just see where everything goes is super important.
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You know, I don't go into things with a rigid plan.
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You know, I try not to map out, you know, every interaction.
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You kind of see, you know, like I could, you know, reach out to somebody for business reasons and and the conversation goes, and you know, it turns out, you know, that person loves, I don't know, playing squash or you know, fishing or or enjoying nature.
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And it's like, oh my god, you know, I I really enjoy nature.
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And you know, it's about finding you know the the openings for interacting with life on a deeper level at every turn and corner.
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So there's a bit of spontaneity who seems to to play in what you just said.
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Is that correct?
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Uh yeah, yeah, 100%.
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100%.
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Okay.
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That's great.
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Great to hear, absolutely.
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Um, you also mentioned authenticity uh quite a bit, and I think it's a very important word uh today and uh every day, obviously.
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Um do you feel that's again from your generation?
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Uh and I feel that you obviously uh use the words and meaning, the meaning of the word is important to you.
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Um do you think it's uh it's the case also for you friends and people from your generation that they always uh want to understand what uh authenticity means, what deeper conversation means?
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Uh is it something you hear around you from your generation, from your friends?
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Yeah, it it it mixes up.
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It mixes up.
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Um you know, it can it can be it can be hard, um, you know, and and and to your point not something that people necessarily talk to.
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Because because when you take that deeper dive, right, to to strive for deeper connection, it can kind of feel like you're taking your armor off a little bit.
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Um and and that armor, you know, it feels it feels good.
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You feel protected and you know, you're you're calmer and you have this kind of you know blockade towards you know the the pitfalls that can happen from being you know your authentic authentic self.
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Um you know, but if if the gates are closed, nothing comes in.
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And and real con real connections is is one of those things that you know you're keeping out from time to time.
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Yeah, I agree with you.
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And I think as you said, it's not always easy to do, right?
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Uh we spoke about networking.
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When you go to networking events, there's uh it's quite natural to you know have a bit of a mask, uh just you know to you know present yourself and then little by little, I guess people kind of uh uh let the guards down and maybe open up.
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Not everyone is doing doing that, obviously, but I think it's uh it's a good uh point that you mentioned uh to uh be open to others and to uh maybe uh you spoke about armor, uh to maybe get the armor down, uh, will uh get a deeper conversation and a deeper connection with people, even though you don't know the person very well.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And like, you know, in in terms of you know, people I've talked to, it's it's very, you know, it differs.
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It really differs.
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You know, I have I have friends who, you know, we we can take that deeper dive, and then I have people who I talk to are like, oh come on.
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Like it's not the day.
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You know, you you can keep things on the surface, but you know, that's that's another part of you know how how you live life is also knowing, you know, not everything needs to, you know, explain the interworkings of the universe, right?
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It's like you know, talk about how good the burger is, all right.
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Like you know, you don't know you don't ha have to know exactly how the burger is made every single time, every day, every interaction.
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So it changes.
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It's just uh you know a way of uh it's the way of human interaction, right?
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True.
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I like your analogy with the burger, so yes.
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Do we want to go deeper or not in how the burger has been done?
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So it's a very good uh good one, actually, you're right.
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And yes, it has to be a mix between sometimes deep conversation and sometimes more fun conversation.
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That makes sense, absolutely.
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Great.
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I also wanted to have your uh view on uh I mean, generations is important.
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Uh, that's also uh the topic of the Brighton podcast.
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It's to uh speak about generation, the exchange between generation.
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And I wanted to have your point of view of uh what do you think is the view of older generations?
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So is there maybe from your standpoint um maybe a misunderstanding uh from the older generation about younger people today?
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Uh when it comes to again, we spoke about friendship, relationship, and emotional connection, or do you think the senior relations understand exactly what's his life for youngsters like you at 26 years old?
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Yeah, you know, I I I think that you know it's it's relatively the same, right?
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I think I think they have a good understanding because although you know the world is much different now than how it was for older generations, you know, at the core root of you know relationships, and if we're gonna talk about the you know issue that is loneliness, not too much has changed about how it feels, right?
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You know, regardless of whether you're tapped into you know social media or not, you know, if you're not feeling you know genuine human connection, you don't you know have a group that you can call upon.
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It feels exactly the same whether you're 26 or you're 75.
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Okay, that makes sense.
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Yeah.
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The feelings, as you said, are probably the same.
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The tools are different, the speed might be different too.
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But the feelings might be uh similar to some extent as human beings.
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That was a great insight, Will.
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Thank you uh so much for those uh inputs.
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I wanted to ask you my last question, uh, which is the Brightbone tip.
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If I may ask you to uh give a tip to the listeners, a small action that people can maybe take this week or next week to create more real human connection.
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What would be your brightbone tip?
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Yeah, um, you know, I I think my tip would be, you know, simply put, just to interact with the world around you.
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Right?
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Like pick your head up.
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You know, may uh make the comment, you know, say like, you know, that's a that's a lovely dog, or you know, smile, have a have a little conversation with you know the cashier when you're getting your coffee.
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You know, pick pick your head up off your phone.
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Uh especially when you're when you're you know hustling and bustling through any big city.
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Um just just be a part of it.
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Just be a part of it.
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Great.
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So it goes as well with being curious, if I uh understand you well, right?
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To be curious towards other people.
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Yeah, 100%.
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I but I was walking down the street um, you know, a couple days ago, and I saw this guy with a uh with a dog where they were walking past the uh a pet co and the dog was going crazy, and I said, Oh my god, like he's he's going crazy, he wants a toy, doesn't he?
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And then we ended up having like you know a conversation for uh for like five minutes just laughing because this dog was being so funny.
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And you know, those those little things, especially when you're when you're in a big city and you're kind of in your own world, right?
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Yeah, it's again like the spontaneity of you know being open to the things that you know happen around the corner.
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Um, you know, that little interaction gives you gives you the little boost that you need.
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It's like, okay, yes, I I am a human, I'm participating in the world.
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You know, this is great.
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And you know, there's so many people around me that you know one draw energy from you, but that you draw energy to from as well.
00:31:49.569 --> 00:31:51.969
So great, fantastic.
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Thank you so much for your input, your view.
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Uh, I'd like to thank you, Will, for your participation.
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And uh I think again you was used the word authenticity, and I think this conversation was really authentic.
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So thank you for that.
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Uh, this is great.
00:32:05.649 --> 00:32:22.929
Um, if I had to uh maybe summarize a bit this episode, uh, I think um what we mentioned uh is that uh it's what I heard from Will actually is still, of course, deeply important for also younger generation uh to have an important uh conversation.
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Uh it's not always easy, but it comes with what Will just said to be curious, to approach people, to be open to others.
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Uh of course, the world uh is different today, full speed, uh ambition, digital interaction, constant exposure to others.
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But it was refreshing to hear that uh young people may uh want also to have more contact and more depth uh in real human connection.
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Um, and what also stood out for me uh again is the authenticity matters uh beyond networking, beyond the image, beyond the performance.
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You mentioned that maybe we do that in networking events.
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Uh, there's still a strong need to be seen, heard, to be understood in a very genuine way.
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And perhaps that's the real reminder from this episode.
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Uh connection does not begin with perfection, status, or having the right word, as you just mentioned, the example with this person you met uh and with the dog.
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It begins with uh presence, honesty, um, curiosity, and sometimes to be courageous, to be real, as you mentioned, to uh get the armors down or the mask down, as you mentioned.
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That was really a very uh powerful message.
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I would say for this uh week, for our listeners, uh, why don't you try what Will just uh mentioned to us as a tip, a bright bond tip, to leave uh left to your guards down, to uh open up.
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I would say it's probably something uh to take a bit of a courage, but it can create real moments, as uh Will just mentioned with his example.
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Uh so it's still possible in this fast world, in this meaningful connection, is are still possible, even though the world goes fast and is really uh well connected digitally, but real connections exist and are possible if we are curious.
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So I'd like to thank you for listening to Brightbond.
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And I would like to uh tell you to take good, good care of yourself, my dear listeners, and I see you next time on Brightbund.
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And thank you so much, Will.
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It was a great pleasure talking to you today.
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Thank you, thank you.
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This is awesome.
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I uh I love the conversation, and uh, you know, I'm looking forward to seeing how everything grows.
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Great, thank you so much, Will, and I wish you a great day.
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You as well.
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You as well.
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Bye, bye bye.
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Welcome to Brightbone, the podcast about real human connections across generations, cultures, and everyday life.
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I'm Patrick Duryo, and here we share real conversations that leaves you with practical ideas to create more connection.
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I'm very excited today because we're gonna speak about a theme which is very interesting.
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In a world full of contact, how does real connection feel in a buzzing city?
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In today's episode, we explore connection through the eyes of William Pinkerton, a young financial representative from the United States.
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Real represents a generation that is highly connected digitally, constantly exposed to opportunity, ambition and movement yet often navigating pressure, speed and sometimes isolation.
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In a world shaped by social media and constant change, we ask a simple but important question how easy is it really for this generation to build meaningful human connection?
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In this conversation we explore what connection means from his generation's perspective, what feels real and what feels superficial, and what young adults in the US may be missing when it comes to human relationships.
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Thank you, thank you.
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I'm excited to be here.
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Wonderful, great.
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Uh Will, I just wanted to ask you for our listeners, how old are you and where are you based?
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I am 26 and I'm based in the New York metropolitan area.
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All right, great.
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So you're not too far from Manhattan, are you?
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No, I am not too far from Manhattan.
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I uh I work in uh Midtown and uh you know been growing up, I grew up in in Jersey and uh been going to New York, you know, all my life.
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So okay, wonderful.
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Yeah, it's great.
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Uh it goes very well with uh the topic of today.
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Uh New York is a very buzzing city, it's a massive city as well, huge, and that's gonna be very interesting as well to have your point of view and how uh connections works in massive and huge cities.
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Also, I'd like to ask you a positive uh question uh that I do oftentimes with my guests is what gives you positive energy at the moment, Will?
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I think what gives me positive energy is the fact that you can wake up and shape every day exactly how you want it.
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And it completely depends on your mentality.
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And like everybody else, it you know, it flows.
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But at the end of the day, you just got to make sure to have a positive attitude.
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And I think that's what gives me energy is that you know, today can always be a good day.
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Okay, that's great.
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That's a great mindset that you have here, very positive.
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And uh, as you say, sounds that you are in control of what you want to do, and that's great to hear from your generation as well.
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Um, the podcast, of course, is about connection and human connection.
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And I wanted to ask you uh my first question about this topic, actually.
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Um, when you think about the word connection, uh what does it mean to you personally at this stage of your life?
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I think for me it means you know having people that that you can call upon and that can call upon you for you know guidance, reassurance, um you know, having people in your circle who support you and who you support as well on a deep level, is that's what it means to me.
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Okay, that's really uh short to the point, but you make total sense.
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I think it's really uh you know clear, absolutely.
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So people you can really rely on and uh call uh for deep topic or for potentially issues you might have or challenges.
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Yeah, or just you know, people who you who you share your life with, right?
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Even even in you know smaller capacities as well.
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So like you know honesty and true transparency with one another is really important, and you know the friendships that you make through you know honesty, showing yourself, you know, sharing interests, sharing passions, sharing, you know, what makes you upset, um, anything like that is uh is crucial.
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Yeah, I totally agree with you.
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It's very uh, as you said, important also to uh rely on people who are close to you.
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Uh that's very important.
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And I wanted to go a bit deeper in that topic if it's okay with you.
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Uh I wanted to uh 100%.
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So great.
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I wanted to ask you again, um, and from your perspective, you're a young uh gentleman.
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Um, do you think it's easy or do you think it's more difficult today for young adults in general in the US to uh to create friendships and uh meaningful relationships?
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You just spoke about your definition of uh what is important, what is meaningful relationship.
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How is it uh for you today?
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Is it easy or not?
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And uh maybe specifically, it's very interesting for our listeners that uh in big cities like New York and Manhattan, you know, how is it specifically New York?
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Yeah, I I think it's interesting because you know, like I said, I'm I'm 26 and you know the the relationship um dynamic or you know ability to make friends and connections definitely changes, you know, from from childhood to where I'm at now.
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You know, when you're when you're younger, it's particularly easy because I think that there's you know less inhibition in sharing what you're what you're passionate about when you're younger, right?
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You know, you want to go outside, you want to catch frogs, or you want to play soccer or anything like that.
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Or, you know, some somebody comes up to you and says, Oh my god, do you want to you know play with play with my toy?
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This would be great, you know, versus where I'm at now in life, it's it's a little bit different because you know, you tend to one, be a little bit set in your ways.
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You know, you've had those friends that you've made, you know, throughout, you know, your your years, your organizations, and et cetera.
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Um, so I think now as uh as a young adult, um, making connections can be a little bit more difficult, but you know, that's why I find it important to, you know, be open about who you are.
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Um and you know, connection will come to you if if you are open about who you are, what you enjoy, what you do, what you're passionate about, almost like a magnet, right?
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So, you know, join join an organization, be a little bit more outgoing about you know what you enjoy, join like a run club, you know, play the sport that you like, you know, don't be afraid to, you know, say, hey, let's you know get together or you know, bond on something small and see if that grows.
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That's very interesting.
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And and do you think it's easier being actually in a bigger city or close to a very large city than maybe in the countryside?
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Uh do you how that that's play a role uh in your point of view?
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Yeah, this is interesting because I actually, you know, it's the same but in different ways.
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Right.
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So, you know, I come from a relatively small town in in New Jersey, and you know, there's a there's not a lot of people my age who stick around.
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Um you know, we we move to you know bigger cities to find work and uh you know spread out across the country.
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And in the big city, it's you know, everybody's there, right?
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But there's this thing, it's like the bigger the party, you know, the you know, harder it is to connect with everybody.
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You tend to stay in your clique, and and it's kind of that way.
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So finding finding connection is can be difficult in both for different reasons.
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One for a lack of people, and one for you know, too many because the pool is so big that you don't want to take a deeper dive.
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Yeah, that's a very interesting about, as you said, bigger pool.
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I imagine, of course, in New York there's so many people.
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Let's maybe go a bit deeper with that uh theme.
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I think it's quite interesting.
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And we spoke uh in the intro about uh the digital world.
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I'd like to understand from your uh perspective, your generation obviously is constantly connected digitally.
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Uh so from your perspective, do you think technology helps connection?
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Or does it sometimes create only the illusion of connection?
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Yeah, I mean, this is something that you know a lot of people are talking about now because you know, we're the most connected generation ever.
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We have, you know, so many means of connecting with one another via social media and all these different outlets.
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But you know, as a whole, we're we're a particularly lonely generation, which is very funny.
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Um I I think the illusion can be true.
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And it depends on how you use social media.
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You know, people are using social media in very powerful ways to create genuine connection and find communities in ways that they wouldn't have been able to do so um without it.
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You know, and it it veers back to that point um, you know, I spoke about in the very beginning, which is you know, sharing your interests genuinely and uh and expecting that that people will share those interests and and want to connect with you.
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And I think social media gives you the power to you know share those things with a much broader audience, you know, rather than you know, cold outreach like that.
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Um and that's great.
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So it just depends on how you participate and interact with it.
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Um you know, there are definitely people who feel that you know social media is kind of this you know fake tool, it's not real, and that can that can be true.
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Um, but I also think it's a very powerful tool.
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So it depends entirely on the individual.
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Sure.
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That makes that makes sense.
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So the consumption and how we use it.
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How about AI?
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What is your view on AI being 26 years old?
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What is your view of AI at the of today?
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AI is funny.
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AI is funny because it's uh, you know, I don't think about AI as a as a tool for connection necessarily.
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Um, I think about it as, you know, well, in the in the very beginning as as something I can go to to you know check check my own thinking on things, you know, help you study, etc.
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But um, you know, people interact with AI almost on a daily basis.
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Um, at least at least the people I'm talking to.
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And, you know, it can be a sounding board for issues in your life, right?
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You know, if you are a lonely individual and and you're having trouble, you know, making connections with you know real people, you know, you can find yourself talking to A high and it kind of, you know, it very often will tell you, it's like, oh yeah, that's you know, great idea.
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That's amazing.
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You're on the you're on the right track.
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And in the in the very beginning, you know, I kept seeing things actually on social media about um, you know, people younger than I am now kind of using it as as this friend, this sounding board, this therapist, kind of um as a way to combat their their loneliness.
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So it's interesting.
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It has it has the capability to help, but you know, I don't think anything um other than real connection will ever replace real connection.
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Yeah, that's very interesting.
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And uh, as you said, it's also interesting that you uh first of all share with us what you hear about your your friends, but also what you see with maybe younger generation, which is also uh interesting to see that they might trust AI quite a bit uh for advising them basically on on choices they want to do in life.
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Um from what you hear from your generation, how is it going regarding this specific topic?
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Do you feel that people are have the right measure using AI uh as a sounding board, or do you feel that people they rely too much on AI?
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This is the this is interesting.
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I my personal opinion is that people could be using AI a little bit less.
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I think if if you don't use it, you lose it.
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Um you know, if you're if you're constantly you know referring to your you know AI agent about everything, you lose the capability to think about things critically.
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You know, you can ask it you know a question and it answers it very quickly.
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But you know, the more you refer to AI for things, the less ability you're gonna have to figure those things out on your own.
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And pretty soon we're gonna be walking around, you know, wondering, you know, what the hell we were doing without you know every answer we want right at our fingertips.
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And and originally that was kind of the the big boom with the internet as well.
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It's like information is so easy, you know, the idea of going to you know a library and and going going through all the books and finding the correct annotations and you know getting that way was so crazy.
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And I think we're early enough in AI to where um you know we're not we're not seeing that on a on a massive, massive scale yet.
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But it's definitely a very, very prevalent issue and something that is being talked about.
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That's very interesting.
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Uh what you just said regarding uh again how we uh get information from the past.
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As you say, you might have gone to a book, and now you've got all the information on your smartphone.
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I had recently uh heard someone saying that they believe that uh in the future maybe doing a degree or master's would not be necessary anymore because you have everything on AI.
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What is your view on that?
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I don't know.
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I think uh I think that higher education is always going to be pursued because it's gonna it's gonna provide a level of depth that you simply can't get um, you know, just from all the information in your fingertips.
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It's like you can get the answers from things, but for people seeking out higher education in in fields that are very specialized, you know, you need the deeper understanding.
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It's like you can you can use AI to you know code a website or make an app, but if you don't have a a certain level of you know depth and understanding about how it works on you know a specific scale, it's just a bunch of hoopla on on your computer.
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You know, you need you need that deeper knowledge to really be able to implement uh those kind of things in your real life.
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Sure.
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I I totally agree with you.
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I think critical thinking is uh very important and very important to continue having and to continue uh nurturing as well.
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And uh that goes with uh exercising like any anything else.
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If you don't uh exercise your your mind being critical, uh not uh accepting everything from for granted, uh then of course uh it's a it's a good habit.
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But yeah, it's very interesting to have your point of view uh regarding AI and social media.
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So thanks for for that.
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I would like to pivot a little bit now, uh more to uh I would say human uh connection, so uh human to human, eyeball to eyeball.
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Uh I go sometimes to uh personally to network events, uh business uh networking events.
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I wanted to uh to ask you in the world, because you're also very connected in a business standpoint, uh, in those networking events, uh, from your experience, uh, what is the difference between networking and maybe genuinely genuine human connection?
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Yeah, I mean, I don't really find there to be a distinction, right?
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You you think about putting the two in in these two separate categories, but from a networking standpoint, you know, if you're not being genuine, you know, you're gonna be terrible at networking.
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Right?
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True.
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You look at somebody like, you know, how how is this you know relationship mu mutually beneficial to us?
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You know, what can what can I get out of this?
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You know, you you should always put your best foot forward in every interaction, but you know, a lack of being genuine, you know, and and real depth connection, you know, it it doesn't go anywhere.
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Really strive to get to know everybody you're talking to, pay attention, listen attentively, you know, really, you know, try to try to go deeper.
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So I don't I don't find there to really be a distinction because without the other, you know, it's pointless.
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Yeah, I agree with you.
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That's uh you know, you mentioned a few times uh to be genuine, I think it's a very uh great uh quality and vision you have already at your age.
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I think it's so important.
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Uh so for me, and as as you know, I'm I'm a coach, I see a great deal of maturity in what you say just right now.
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So it's really uh refreshing to hear that, I have to say.
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Thank you, thank you.
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I also wanted to uh uh if you allow me to go a bit deeper.
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Um, I'd like to understand a bit more how is your life as a 26 year old uh gentleman.
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Um speaking again today, uh, we speak uh quite a bit about loneliness.
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Uh in a business standpoint, we speak about pressure.
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Um, and I'd like to understand from your view, uh young men today, do you do you think they speak about loneliness?
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Do they speak about pressure?
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Do they need more uh deeper friendship, or is it still something many of you guys are keeping to yourself?
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What is your view on that?
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Yeah, I don't I don't know.
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It's it's something that has definitely been circling.
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And I, you know, I can't speak for for everybody, but it's it's something that's definitely been in my in my purview, especially recently.
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And and my opinion is is that you know loneliness, you know, for for young men and honestly for everybody, isn't, you know, necessarily new topic.
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And I think this is where you know social media and our access to information really plays into it because you know it's something that has always been prevalent, but because we're so tapped in now, it seems that the you know alarms are you know much louder than they used to be.
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So I don't think that it's new that people are lonely or young men are lonely or feeling the pressure.
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I think you know people have always felt the pressure, and because you know everybody's talking to the world, you know, on their on their microphones, on social media, um it's something that people are paying attention to a little bit more now.
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No, I agree with you.
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I think if we would take uh my grandfathers and uh my grandmothers, obviously, probably they would never talk about it, even though they probably lived it and felt it, felt the loneliness.
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So I totally agree with you that's uh the media to speak more about it.
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Uh, I would be curious to understand from again, I know you cannot speak to all the for all your generation, but I would be curious to uh you know to know if this topic, you know, among your friends, do you speak a bit more about you know what does deeper friendship mean?
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Or is it something that's the type of topic you you guys never talk about?
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Yeah, I mean, I I have uh you know a couple good friends, and and you know, we do we talk about these things often.
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Um we we tend to be pretty pretty spread out.
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You know, I don't have friends that are you know here in uh in the New York metropolitan area, have you know friends down down south and you know friends in on the West Coast.
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And it can be it can be a little bit difficult, especially when you know the people you're closest with aren't in your immediate um area or or close to get to.
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That's the power of technology, is having the having the ability to talk to them as as as much as possible.
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Um and that and that goes back to why you know genuine connection is so important because if you don't have that sounding board, if you don't have people that you can go to and say, hey, like, you know, I'm really you know, I'm having a really rough day, or you know, things aren't going the way I wanted, or you know, you're thinking about your career and you're like, dude, I need you know, somebody, somebody to bounce these ideas off of.
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If you don't have that, it can really be daunting.
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It can be, it can be very daunting.
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So having you know good friends that you can talk to about it are important, and it's something that you know me and my friends talk about at least.
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Okay, that's great to to hear that uh you have this open conversation with your friends, uh close friends, uh, to speak uh you know about deep feelings and uh you know what's going on with the connection and uh connecting with people.
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That's really uh really nice to hear, I have to say.
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Um I also wanted to ask you regarding again your young uh financial advisor, you're in the business world, uh, I would assume you're pretty uh ambitious in the career, like a lot of young people today, which is great.
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I wanted to ask you um what is uh maybe the focus uh when you think about your career, do you think that the focus can sometimes uh be a bit of a cost for connection, or do you think it goes together?
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Yeah, I can I it can be a blessing and a curse.
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It can be a blessing and a curse.
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It's all about um, you know honestly how you allocate your time, right?
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If you're if you're busy and you're you know you make a clear distinction of the two, you know, my my frame of thinking around work is you know what I strive for is a non distinction between work and play.
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Right.
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And I I'm talking to people constantly.
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Um, you know, whether whether that be people in the office, whether that be people I'm reaching out to.
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And, you know, taking every opportunity to kind of just see where everything goes is super important.
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You know, I don't go into things with a rigid plan.
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You know, I try not to map out, you know, every interaction.
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You kind of see, you know, like I could, you know, reach out to somebody for business reasons and and the conversation goes, and you know, it turns out, you know, that person loves, I don't know, playing squash or you know, fishing or or enjoying nature.
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And it's like, oh my god, you know, I I really enjoy nature.
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And you know, it's about finding you know the the openings for interacting with life on a deeper level at every turn and corner.
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So there's a bit of spontaneity who seems to to play in what you just said.
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Is that correct?
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Uh yeah, yeah, 100%.
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100%.
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Okay.
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That's great.
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Great to hear, absolutely.
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Um, you also mentioned authenticity uh quite a bit, and I think it's a very important word uh today and uh every day, obviously.
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Um do you feel that's again from your generation?
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Uh and I feel that you obviously uh use the words and meaning, the meaning of the word is important to you.
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Um do you think it's uh it's the case also for you friends and people from your generation that they always uh want to understand what uh authenticity means, what deeper conversation means?
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Uh is it something you hear around you from your generation, from your friends?
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Yeah, it it it mixes up.
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It mixes up.
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Um you know, it can it can be it can be hard, um, you know, and and and to your point not something that people necessarily talk to.
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Because because when you take that deeper dive, right, to to strive for deeper connection, it can kind of feel like you're taking your armor off a little bit.
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Um and and that armor, you know, it feels it feels good.
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You feel protected and you know, you're you're calmer and you have this kind of you know blockade towards you know the the pitfalls that can happen from being you know your authentic authentic self.
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Um you know, but if if the gates are closed, nothing comes in.
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And and real con real connections is is one of those things that you know you're keeping out from time to time.
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Yeah, I agree with you.
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And I think as you said, it's not always easy to do, right?
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Uh we spoke about networking.
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When you go to networking events, there's uh it's quite natural to you know have a bit of a mask, uh just you know to you know present yourself and then little by little, I guess people kind of uh uh let the guards down and maybe open up.
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Not everyone is doing doing that, obviously, but I think it's uh it's a good uh point that you mentioned uh to uh be open to others and to uh maybe uh you spoke about armor, uh to maybe get the armor down, uh, will uh get a deeper conversation and a deeper connection with people, even though you don't know the person very well.
00:26:58.529 --> 00:26:59.889
Yeah, yeah.
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And like, you know, in in terms of you know, people I've talked to, it's it's very, you know, it differs.
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It really differs.
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You know, I have I have friends who, you know, we we can take that deeper dive, and then I have people who I talk to are like, oh come on.
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Like it's not the day.
00:27:21.569 --> 00:27:37.889
You know, you you can keep things on the surface, but you know, that's that's another part of you know how how you live life is also knowing, you know, not everything needs to, you know, explain the interworkings of the universe, right?
00:27:38.049 --> 00:27:40.929
It's like you know, talk about how good the burger is, all right.
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Like you know, you don't know you don't ha have to know exactly how the burger is made every single time, every day, every interaction.
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So it changes.
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It's just uh you know a way of uh it's the way of human interaction, right?
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True.
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I like your analogy with the burger, so yes.
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Do we want to go deeper or not in how the burger has been done?
00:28:02.209 --> 00:28:04.369
So it's a very good uh good one, actually, you're right.
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And yes, it has to be a mix between sometimes deep conversation and sometimes more fun conversation.
00:28:09.969 --> 00:28:11.809
That makes sense, absolutely.
00:28:12.129 --> 00:28:12.529
Great.
00:28:12.689 --> 00:28:17.009
I also wanted to have your uh view on uh I mean, generations is important.
00:28:17.569 --> 00:28:21.249
Uh, that's also uh the topic of the Brighton podcast.
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It's to uh speak about generation, the exchange between generation.
00:28:25.089 --> 00:28:30.529
And I wanted to have your point of view of uh what do you think is the view of older generations?
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So is there maybe from your standpoint um maybe a misunderstanding uh from the older generation about younger people today?
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Uh when it comes to again, we spoke about friendship, relationship, and emotional connection, or do you think the senior relations understand exactly what's his life for youngsters like you at 26 years old?
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Yeah, you know, I I I think that you know it's it's relatively the same, right?
00:29:02.129 --> 00:29:24.369
I think I think they have a good understanding because although you know the world is much different now than how it was for older generations, you know, at the core root of you know relationships, and if we're gonna talk about the you know issue that is loneliness, not too much has changed about how it feels, right?
00:29:25.169 --> 00:29:35.649
You know, regardless of whether you're tapped into you know social media or not, you know, if you're not feeling you know genuine human connection, you don't you know have a group that you can call upon.
00:29:35.809 --> 00:29:39.649
It feels exactly the same whether you're 26 or you're 75.
00:29:40.769 --> 00:29:41.889
Okay, that makes sense.
00:29:41.969 --> 00:29:42.209
Yeah.
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The feelings, as you said, are probably the same.
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The tools are different, the speed might be different too.
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But the feelings might be uh similar to some extent as human beings.
00:29:52.689 --> 00:29:54.529
That was a great insight, Will.
00:29:54.609 --> 00:29:57.409
Thank you uh so much for those uh inputs.
00:29:57.569 --> 00:30:02.369
I wanted to ask you my last question, uh, which is the Brightbone tip.
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If I may ask you to uh give a tip to the listeners, a small action that people can maybe take this week or next week to create more real human connection.
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What would be your brightbone tip?
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Yeah, um, you know, I I think my tip would be, you know, simply put, just to interact with the world around you.
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Right?
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Like pick your head up.
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You know, may uh make the comment, you know, say like, you know, that's a that's a lovely dog, or you know, smile, have a have a little conversation with you know the cashier when you're getting your coffee.
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You know, pick pick your head up off your phone.
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Uh especially when you're when you're you know hustling and bustling through any big city.
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Um just just be a part of it.
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Just be a part of it.
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Great.
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So it goes as well with being curious, if I uh understand you well, right?
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To be curious towards other people.
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Yeah, 100%.
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I but I was walking down the street um, you know, a couple days ago, and I saw this guy with a uh with a dog where they were walking past the uh a pet co and the dog was going crazy, and I said, Oh my god, like he's he's going crazy, he wants a toy, doesn't he?
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And then we ended up having like you know a conversation for uh for like five minutes just laughing because this dog was being so funny.
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And you know, those those little things, especially when you're when you're in a big city and you're kind of in your own world, right?
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Yeah, it's again like the spontaneity of you know being open to the things that you know happen around the corner.
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Um, you know, that little interaction gives you gives you the little boost that you need.
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It's like, okay, yes, I I am a human, I'm participating in the world.
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You know, this is great.
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And you know, there's so many people around me that you know one draw energy from you, but that you draw energy to from as well.
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So great, fantastic.
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Thank you so much for your input, your view.
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Uh, I'd like to thank you, Will, for your participation.
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And uh I think again you was used the word authenticity, and I think this conversation was really authentic.
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So thank you for that.
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Uh, this is great.
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Um, if I had to uh maybe summarize a bit this episode, uh, I think um what we mentioned uh is that uh it's what I heard from Will actually is still, of course, deeply important for also younger generation uh to have an important uh conversation.
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Uh it's not always easy, but it comes with what Will just said to be curious, to approach people, to be open to others.
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Uh of course, the world uh is different today, full speed, uh ambition, digital interaction, constant exposure to others.
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But it was refreshing to hear that uh young people may uh want also to have more contact and more depth uh in real human connection.
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Um, and what also stood out for me uh again is the authenticity matters uh beyond networking, beyond the image, beyond the performance.
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You mentioned that maybe we do that in networking events.
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Uh, there's still a strong need to be seen, heard, to be understood in a very genuine way.
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And perhaps that's the real reminder from this episode.
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Uh connection does not begin with perfection, status, or having the right word, as you just mentioned, the example with this person you met uh and with the dog.
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It begins with uh presence, honesty, um, curiosity, and sometimes to be courageous, to be real, as you mentioned, to uh get the armors down or the mask down, as you mentioned.
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That was really a very uh powerful message.
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I would say for this uh week, for our listeners, uh, why don't you try what Will just uh mentioned to us as a tip, a bright bond tip, to leave uh left to your guards down, to uh open up.
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I would say it's probably something uh to take a bit of a courage, but it can create real moments, as uh Will just mentioned with his example.
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Uh so it's still possible in this fast world, in this meaningful connection, is are still possible, even though the world goes fast and is really uh well connected digitally, but real connections exist and are possible if we are curious.
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So I'd like to thank you for listening to Brightbond.
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And I would like to uh tell you to take good, good care of yourself, my dear listeners, and I see you next time on Brightbund.
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And thank you so much, Will.
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It was a great pleasure talking to you today.
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Thank you, thank you.
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This is awesome.
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I uh I love the conversation, and uh, you know, I'm looking forward to seeing how everything grows.
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Great, thank you so much, Will, and I wish you a great day.
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You as well.
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You as well.
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Bye, bye bye.
