Twisted text messages revealed in Sandra Birchmore case — how did so many look the other way?

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Hey guys,
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uh,
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thanks so much for checking out my show really,
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really appreciate it really appreciate everybody
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uh who has been watching my videos
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and everybody who has subscribed to my channel really helps out.
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The more that I cover the Sandra Birchmore case,
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um,
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it,
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it just makes my blood boil
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that this almost was swept under the rug.
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It seems
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this Massachusetts police officer accused of
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grooming
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this underage girl,
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Sandra Birchmore,
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she was a police explorer.
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And then ultimately accused of killing her,
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and it seems there may be other people within the department
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who knew things.
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So in this episode I'm getting into that
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there's all these new explosive text messages that came
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out and you're going to hear from one of the people who would not let this case go
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when
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the state wasn't prosecuting
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when no one seemed to be doing anything.
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She made it a mission of hers
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to.
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Not give up until there was some kind of justice
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and you're going to hear from her in this episode
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everything that's happened the last couple of days in court,
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in the federal trial,
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the text messages which are beyond disgusting.
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Uh,
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and what may happen next.
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It's all coming up in this episode of Brian Enton Investigates.
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All right,
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hey guys,
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um,
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so the Matthew Farwell trial,
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it is getting intense,
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uh,
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for those of you who haven't been following along,
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and I've done a couple of episodes already,
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but he is the Massachusetts police officer
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accused of murdering pregnant
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Sandra Birchmore.
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Uh,
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Investigators say he groomed her.
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That he had sex with her when she was just 15 years old and she was in the police
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explorers program.
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That's how
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it seems they met.
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She was a police explorer,
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which is like this program for
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kids to essentially learn what it's like to be a police officer,
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and he was a police officer.
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He was also the head of the union.
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There's so many crazy details on this case and
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now there's these text messages that have come out between
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Farwell and Sandra.
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And I want to warn you some of these
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messages are difficult to hear,
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but I think
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they're important,
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uh,
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because they
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tell the story,
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and I'm not gonna read all of them to you,
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but
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I think to hear some of them is really,
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really important.
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Um,
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they came out
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in the federal trial.
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I'm gonna take you inside the room for the federal
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trial in a second with someone who's been there.
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Every second,
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uh,
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we'll explain
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how Farwell reacted.
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When all of this came out in court because it was,
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it was read out loud in court,
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there was a witness on the stand.
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Uh,
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but some of the texts include,
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uh,
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when Matthew Farwell wrote to Sandra,
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I've loved you from the first day
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I touched you and my hand was
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blank.
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I should have just pulled
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down my pants and.
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Blanked you right there,
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she responded,
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I don't know what I would have done.
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And he said
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you wanted it way before that night.
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And Sandra went on to say,
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I had butterflies so bad the day you took my virginity.
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That's not a date I'll ever forget.
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It was April 10th,
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2015,
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best day of my life,
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she texted and then he wrote,
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me too.
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So keep in mind she was 15
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years old.
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She's a police explorer.
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He's a police officer.
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She texted him,
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have you ever regretted it?
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And he said,
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never.
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I've always said it's my best and favorite decision.
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He went on to say,
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I figured you would have said no because you were so,
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so young.
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now this is a man who is accused of grooming her,
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taking her virginity when she's underage,
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eventually accused of murdering her.
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And he has a family of his own,
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by the way,
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during all of this,
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a wife and kids.
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So I'll spare you the rest of the texts.
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They're much,
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much more graphic,
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but you,
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you get the idea an adult police officer and an underage child.
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let me give a shout out,
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by the way,
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to the reporters who have been inside the
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courtroom because we wouldn't know any of this.
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I wouldn't be able to read you these texts if it wasn't for them,
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uh,
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because there are no cameras allowed.
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it's federal court,
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no cameras allowed,
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so you have to
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rely on notes.
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Um,
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I also want to acknowledge Melissa Berry.
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She goes by Mizzy.
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and she
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has been investigating this case since the beginning.
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Uh,
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she has been relentless.
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When I started
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doing episodes on this,
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everyone was like,
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you have to talk to Mizzy.
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She is the one who has been all over this when no one was paying attention,
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when everyone seemed to be looking the other way,
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including
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the state police and the prosecutor.
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She literally knows it all from beginning to end,
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what's been going on behind the scenes,
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who else could be involved
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again,
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she's been in the courtroom since the trial started about a week ago,
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so.
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I don't want to waste any more time.
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I want you to get the full inside scoop from Mizzy.
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Mizzy,
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it's nice to meet you.
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I've,
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I've heard a lot about you,
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you know,
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I'm,
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I'm kind of late
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to the Sandra Birchmore case.
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I had heard kind of rumblings about it,
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but everyone was like,
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you have to talk to Mizzy
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because she
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is like one of the reasons this is getting so much attention and has been
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looking into it since the beginning.
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So the first thing I wanted to ask you is just like how did you first learn about it,
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and kind of
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what happened next?
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well,
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I first got involved when the Stoughton Police Department released
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their,
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report,
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and they did a press conference,
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and I saw it on the news.
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I'm local,
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and I like lost my mind.
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I was like,
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what is going on?
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they said,
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I was like,
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oh no,
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she didn't.
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I knew instantly in my gut.
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I mean,
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I obviously knew that I needed to look into it,
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but I knew instantly it was like,
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no,
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she didn't.
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you know,
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I was waiting for more
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information to come out about the case.
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Like there was a couple articles here and there,
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but the news was
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like it was in the news for like 2 days,
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and then it was gone.
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It disappeared and I'm like,
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there are 3 police officers.
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And an animal control officer who groomed this young woman.
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And then one of them started abusing her at 15,
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and,
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you know,
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the whole story,
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and I'm like,
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why is
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this should be national news,
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not just local news,
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and it was like it just disappeared.
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um,
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I'm a small content creator,
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you know,
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I,
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I,
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I was already interviewing families of loved ones
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who have been murdered,
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and there was always a tinge of police corruption in the cases that I covered.
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so I started reaching out to her family
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to see if somebody I could interview somebody,
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and nobody got back to me,
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and then,
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um,
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Her cousin,
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Barb,
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finally got back to me and um
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My friend Sarah,
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who's was about the first case I worked on his,
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um,
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her son Brandon Embry was murdered
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in North Carolina,
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and
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she said,
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what's up with that Birchmore case?
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And we started doing a real deep dive into it,
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what we could.
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We started looking into like,
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um,
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How much her apartment would have been and
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um
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the kind of doorknobs that she had that she was supposedly hang
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hanged herself by.
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that it was the handles,
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not a doorknob,
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and I felt that to be even a little
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more odd that somebody would hang themselves in that
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position from that type of
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handle,
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and we just started deep diving,
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and she said,
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I gotta get back to my son's case.
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Can you make a Facebook page?
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And I said,
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uh,
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I knew it was gonna be like a lot.
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this girl needs it.
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yeah.
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And I created the page.
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I asked her cousin if she wanted to join me into
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doing
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this adventure of trying to get Sandra's case out there to the public,
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cause I knew once the public heard about it,
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that would be pressure on
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um the powers that be to do something with her case.
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And unfortunately,
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Um,
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Michael Morrissey,
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the DA of
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Norfolk County,
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it never
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put pressure on him.
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He never felt the pressure,
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even though we applied the pressure,
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pressure as much as we possibly could.
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Why do you think that is?
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Cause just to remind people,
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this is a federal case now,
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so the feds came in.
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The trial,
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uh,
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Matthew Farwell's trial is federal,
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but there was never any state
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charges,
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which,
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like the lawyers I've talked to say,
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you know,
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this really should have been a state case.
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You don't typically see murder trials
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at the federal level.
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Why do you think the DA never did anything?
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Um,
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police corruption,
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just to be
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blunt.
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I mean,
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Matthew Farwell was head of the police
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patrolmen's union in
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um
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that area for,
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for his,
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um,
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patrolmen.
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Um,
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the other officer,
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the other two officers who were
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part of this crime with him
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was his twin,
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his twin brother,
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which is weird enough,
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but also their mentor
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who happened to be the former.
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Um,
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Deputy Chief of Stoughton.
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So he had,
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you know,
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he had power
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even though he had lost his position
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and got bumped down to patrolman from another sex scandal,
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he still had power and connection.
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So,
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and I mean,
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It
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People fall on whichever side they want to with the Cameron Reed case,
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but it's the same officers,
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you know,
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it took place in the same town a year before John O'Keefe was murdered.
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Um,
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some of the same investigating officers from Canton,
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you know,
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some of the,
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some of the same
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investigating officers from,
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um,
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that case,
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and,
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and also kind of similar with that case,
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the lead detective,
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um,
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The supervisor,
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but he's,
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he,
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he calls himself the lead on this case.
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He was a former Stoughton police officer
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who worked with Robert Devine,
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still played hockey with the Stoughton Police Department,
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and was in that police department when the Farwell twins
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went through the program themselves.
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They were also explorers when they were teenagers,
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so he worked there in that time.
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When they were younger,
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and then now as,
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as adults and them as police officers,
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especially a detective,
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Matthew Farrell worked with,
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worked with them also,
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you know,
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collaborating from,
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you know,
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the Stoughton Police Department
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and the CPAC unit
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who cover like murders,
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unattended murders,
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and,
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um,
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you know,
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the higher level than,
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than what the Stoughton Police Department cover.
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Did you know these new texts that came out
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in court
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that are just like so disturbing between Matthew Farwell and Sandra about
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her losing her virginity when she was underage and just really,
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really sick stuff.
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Did you know about these?
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Yeah,
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um,
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they had been talked about in the,
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um,
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the IR report for,
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for these three officers,
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and
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they didn't tell us what they were,
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but they talked about it and they did.
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Um,
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say there was one,
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a few that said that
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they had
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start,
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you know,
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far sexually
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assaulted her at 15 because it is statutory rape
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when she's underage
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and um.
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They did talk about it,
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but they didn't give us insight into it.
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And then when the,
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the feds arrested him,
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they did have some of those um text messages in their,
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their,
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um their report too.
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So when you say the IR report,
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is that the
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like internal investigation
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with the police department when they were looking into this?
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Yes,
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and that was publicly released.
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Yes,
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it is.
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So how is it that there was never any criminal charges,
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like even if you put the alleged murder aside,
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just the fact that he,
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that these texts exist
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showing that
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he allegedly.
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Had sex with her underage,
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like how was there not a state charge for that?
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Their excuse was because Sandra was no longer alive,
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she couldn't testify against him,
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and um
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they said they needed witnesses to
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basically testify.
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Um,
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they did have her journals,
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so they,
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they did have a lot to work with,
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and the,
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the Massachusetts State Police did have those.
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Um,
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they were given them by her,
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her family when they were cleaning out.
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The two houses that um
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she had resided at.
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And
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we've always been asking that,
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why,
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why isn't there more?
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And I think that's one thing that
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um not even just in Massachusetts,
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but across the country,
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we need to look into
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if um somebody's death occurs
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and has a direct
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correlation to do with their abuse,
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that,
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that shouldn't
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allow somebody to go free.
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Because that person who,
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you know,
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take Matthew Farrell.
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He,
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he's benefiting
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from her death
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that he caused.
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And so
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they're telling us that they can't
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charge him because there's no witness against him,
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you know,
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she can't get up on the stand
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because,
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you know,
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in this country we're afforded the right to,
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to sit in those,
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uh,
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uh,
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if you're an accused defendant,
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you're allowed to,
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um,
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sit against your peers
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and then be able to question them,
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you know,
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obviously through your lawyers most of the time.
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But
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to me,
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I think that's something that we need to look at our justice system
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to think it's something that needs to be fixed within our,
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our justice system because somebody who,
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who takes somebody else's life,
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that benefit,
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you can't,
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they shouldn't be able to use that benefit that that person's no longer there
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because they're no longer there because of
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that person,
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you know,
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the person who
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abused that person.
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That,
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to me,
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um,
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that's something we definitely have to fix in our justice system.
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So you started the Facebook page,
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you started digging into it.
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This was long before he was arrested by the feds and the fed charges came.
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Did you?
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I think that was going to happen,
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or were you just frustrated thinking nothing was going to happen?
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Like kind of take me back to that time before
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the federal charges.
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I knew in my heart someday it would happen.
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Um,
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I actually didn't think it would happen as
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fast as it did when it came to the feds.
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Um.
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We knew
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there was um
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rumors and inklings of that the feds were there,
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and then in um
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Uh,
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I can't remember if it was late 2023 or,
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or,
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or,
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um,
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early 2024.
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It was announced that they were looking into her case.
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So once I felt like they,
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the feds had
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We're looking into her case,
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I knew in my heart that they were gonna,
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they were gonna come up with something because I,
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I was,
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I was interviewing people
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who were witnesses and everything I was hearing from people,
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I'm like,
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this guy is gonna be arrested someday.
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We just didn't know exactly when.
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We,
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we knew Michael Morrissey and the CPAC Massachusetts
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State Police CPAC unit weren't gonna arrest him,
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and we were hoping that the feds would.
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And um
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once they started looking into it,
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they,
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I,
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we felt that,
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that it would happen.
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So Farwell got fired obviously after the
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uh right after the internal he actually resigned
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while he was being investigated.
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They all did because they
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didn't want to
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go further with interviews.
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And what was he doing before the arrest?
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Um,
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like work or was he just out of work?
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He started a trucking company
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and,
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um,
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where he was hauling,
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hauling stuff trucking,
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and,
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um,
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that's what he was arrested doing.
581
00:16:02.489 --> 00:16:05.010
He was actually on the job when he was arrested.
582
00:16:05.789 --> 00:16:07.349
And has he been in jail
583
00:16:07.739 --> 00:16:08.289
ever since?
584
00:16:08.909 --> 00:16:09.309
Yes,
585
00:16:09.549 --> 00:16:09.989
OK.
586
00:16:10.729 --> 00:16:11.369
Um,
587
00:16:11.900 --> 00:16:12.780
do we know much about,
588
00:16:12.859 --> 00:16:13.020
I mean,
589
00:16:13.099 --> 00:16:13.859
he's still married,
590
00:16:13.969 --> 00:16:14.299
right?
591
00:16:15.280 --> 00:16:16.400
As far as I know,
592
00:16:16.469 --> 00:16:17.020
um,
593
00:16:17.599 --> 00:16:18.390
there's been I,
594
00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:20.640
I haven't fully dived into that,
595
00:16:20.719 --> 00:16:20.979
but
596
00:16:21.119 --> 00:16:22.559
there's been rumors that they're divorced.
597
00:16:22.640 --> 00:16:23.419
There's rumors that
598
00:16:23.640 --> 00:16:24.479
they're still together,
599
00:16:24.559 --> 00:16:24.739
um,
600
00:16:24.789 --> 00:16:25.400
as far as I know,
601
00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:26.369
they're still together.
602
00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:28.190
And do they have one child?
603
00:16:28.440 --> 00:16:29.739
33.
604
00:16:30.400 --> 00:16:30.900
Wow.
605
00:16:31.440 --> 00:16:31.830
And you've,
606
00:16:31.880 --> 00:16:33.299
have you been in court every day?
607
00:16:33.869 --> 00:16:34.159
Um,
608
00:16:34.280 --> 00:16:34.760
yes.
609
00:16:36.130 --> 00:16:37.690
What is it like for you?
610
00:16:37.849 --> 00:16:37.919
Well,
611
00:16:38.010 --> 00:16:38.250
first of all,
612
00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:38.650
let me ask you,
613
00:16:38.760 --> 00:16:40.200
has he had anyone in court?
614
00:16:40.690 --> 00:16:40.799
Like,
615
00:16:40.849 --> 00:16:41.080
have you seen,
616
00:16:41.250 --> 00:16:41.489
he's had
617
00:16:42.330 --> 00:16:42.809
two people,
618
00:16:42.890 --> 00:16:44.010
I believe one's his mom,
619
00:16:44.049 --> 00:16:45.830
and I believe mine might be his sister.
620
00:16:46.770 --> 00:16:46.780
Um,
621
00:16:46.929 --> 00:16:47.119
if,
622
00:16:47.210 --> 00:16:47.460
if,
623
00:16:47.570 --> 00:16:47.580
if,
624
00:16:47.609 --> 00:16:48.989
if that's who they are,
625
00:16:49.289 --> 00:16:49.489
um,
626
00:16:49.570 --> 00:16:51.909
the sister has been in court more than anybody.
627
00:16:53.090 --> 00:16:54.710
What is it like for you,
628
00:16:54.830 --> 00:16:56.989
having worked on this for so long
629
00:16:57.250 --> 00:16:58.349
and basically
630
00:16:58.690 --> 00:17:00.450
trying to get some kind of justice?
631
00:17:00.520 --> 00:17:01.830
What's it like for you in court?
632
00:17:04.130 --> 00:17:05.010
During openings,
633
00:17:05.050 --> 00:17:05.920
it was,
634
00:17:06.329 --> 00:17:09.069
I kind of had a surreal funny moment
635
00:17:09.569 --> 00:17:10.199
cause I,
636
00:17:10.368 --> 00:17:11.868
I looked over at the jury
637
00:17:12.089 --> 00:17:12.319
and,
638
00:17:12.329 --> 00:17:12.530
you know,
639
00:17:12.650 --> 00:17:12.839
the,
640
00:17:12.969 --> 00:17:14.949
the prosecution's given their opening
641
00:17:15.449 --> 00:17:16.348
and I go,
642
00:17:16.848 --> 00:17:17.890
is this real?
643
00:17:18.290 --> 00:17:18.530
Like,
644
00:17:18.650 --> 00:17:19.040
and I,
645
00:17:19.130 --> 00:17:20.079
I looked around the room.
646
00:17:20.130 --> 00:17:20.449
I,
647
00:17:20.608 --> 00:17:21.410
I was like,
648
00:17:21.689 --> 00:17:22.319
am I,
649
00:17:22.670 --> 00:17:23.410
is this a dream?
650
00:17:23.489 --> 00:17:23.890
Like I,
651
00:17:23.930 --> 00:17:27.030
I couldn't tell if it was real or if it was like a dream.
652
00:17:27.530 --> 00:17:28.118
And then I'm like,
653
00:17:28.170 --> 00:17:28.849
I said to myself,
654
00:17:28.969 --> 00:17:29.109
no,
655
00:17:29.290 --> 00:17:29.890
this is real,
656
00:17:29.969 --> 00:17:30.989
we're really here.
657
00:17:31.550 --> 00:17:33.750
And um it's been kind of surreal,
658
00:17:33.829 --> 00:17:34.150
you know,
659
00:17:34.270 --> 00:17:35.119
a lot of this,
660
00:17:35.390 --> 00:17:36.380
it's been kind of,
661
00:17:36.390 --> 00:17:36.949
um,
662
00:17:38.589 --> 00:17:38.750
You know,
663
00:17:38.859 --> 00:17:41.209
as somebody who's been working on this case for so long,
664
00:17:41.469 --> 00:17:42.829
it's kind of been,
665
00:17:43.189 --> 00:17:43.750
on one hand,
666
00:17:43.890 --> 00:17:45.380
kind of cool to see that,
667
00:17:45.390 --> 00:17:45.969
like,
668
00:17:46.510 --> 00:17:47.209
we've been
669
00:17:47.510 --> 00:17:50.569
pretty spot on with most of our facts.
670
00:17:50.989 --> 00:17:51.500
Um,
671
00:17:51.670 --> 00:17:52.609
and
672
00:17:52.989 --> 00:17:53.229
I mean,
673
00:17:53.310 --> 00:17:53.910
on the other hand,
674
00:17:53.969 --> 00:17:56.599
it's just heartbreaking to see all this information
675
00:17:56.989 --> 00:17:59.089
come out and how much they're trying to use
676
00:17:59.630 --> 00:18:01.430
Sandra's mental health against her.
677
00:18:01.630 --> 00:18:02.969
We knew that was coming.
678
00:18:03.819 --> 00:18:04.469
But that's,
679
00:18:04.589 --> 00:18:07.619
that's their case basically that Sandra had mental health issues,
680
00:18:07.709 --> 00:18:08.810
so she did this.
681
00:18:09.709 --> 00:18:11.910
What is Farwell been like in court?
682
00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:13.880
Um,
683
00:18:15.939 --> 00:18:17.420
He's been kind of stoic.
684
00:18:17.500 --> 00:18:18.380
He does kind of,
685
00:18:18.459 --> 00:18:18.750
you know,
686
00:18:18.849 --> 00:18:19.439
um,
687
00:18:19.579 --> 00:18:20.619
I don't see the front,
688
00:18:20.780 --> 00:18:21.619
front part of him,
689
00:18:21.699 --> 00:18:21.890
but,
690
00:18:21.900 --> 00:18:22.489
um,
691
00:18:22.900 --> 00:18:24.410
there is one interesting thing,
692
00:18:24.420 --> 00:18:25.160
um,
693
00:18:25.260 --> 00:18:26.959
that my friend pointed out to me.
694
00:18:27.339 --> 00:18:27.930
Um,
695
00:18:28.260 --> 00:18:30.219
he's sitting slouched down.
696
00:18:30.989 --> 00:18:32.989
To make himself look smaller.
697
00:18:33.469 --> 00:18:36.369
Cause during the um pretrial hearings,
698
00:18:36.709 --> 00:18:37.829
he was a lot taller.
699
00:18:37.989 --> 00:18:39.260
He's he's 6'4,
700
00:18:39.459 --> 00:18:40.689
so he's a big guy.
701
00:18:41.150 --> 00:18:42.930
He was a lot taller
702
00:18:43.750 --> 00:18:44.510
than his
703
00:18:44.790 --> 00:18:46.329
um lawyers.
704
00:18:46.829 --> 00:18:49.250
Now his head sits even with his lawyers,
705
00:18:49.479 --> 00:18:51.530
and I think that's something that they
706
00:18:51.709 --> 00:18:54.500
told him to do to make himself look smaller,
707
00:18:54.790 --> 00:18:55.969
cause Sandra was tiny.
708
00:18:57.010 --> 00:18:57.910
And the height
709
00:18:58.609 --> 00:18:59.030
difference,
710
00:18:59.250 --> 00:19:00.930
not just the age difference and it,
711
00:19:01.089 --> 00:19:02.550
but their height difference,
712
00:19:02.890 --> 00:19:03.089
you know,
713
00:19:03.209 --> 00:19:03.439
he's,
714
00:19:03.489 --> 00:19:03.810
he's,
715
00:19:03.930 --> 00:19:05.430
he's massive compared to her.
716
00:19:06.410 --> 00:19:06.569
Yeah,
717
00:19:06.650 --> 00:19:08.670
that one photo of her
718
00:19:08.810 --> 00:19:10.790
like with the other explorers,
719
00:19:11.290 --> 00:19:12.709
it really just
720
00:19:13.130 --> 00:19:13.630
like
721
00:19:14.130 --> 00:19:14.650
breaks your heart.
722
00:19:14.689 --> 00:19:18.359
I mean you in that photo you see how tiny and like what a child she is,
723
00:19:18.369 --> 00:19:20.430
and it's like hard to imagine
724
00:19:20.810 --> 00:19:21.109
him
725
00:19:21.569 --> 00:19:24.150
saying and doing the things he did when you see that photo,
726
00:19:24.209 --> 00:19:24.760
you know.
727
00:19:25.130 --> 00:19:25.550
Yeah,
728
00:19:25.849 --> 00:19:28.550
and I mean Sandra at the age of 23,
729
00:19:29.270 --> 00:19:32.229
because she had like a baby face and she was so
730
00:19:32.530 --> 00:19:33.489
pint size.
731
00:19:34.099 --> 00:19:36.680
She still looked like she was like 1415.
732
00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:38.699
So it's like that's,
733
00:19:38.800 --> 00:19:40.140
that even adds a
734
00:19:40.439 --> 00:19:42.670
more disturbing layer to,
735
00:19:43.079 --> 00:19:43.359
you know,
736
00:19:43.540 --> 00:19:46.739
some of the things that he said in text messages.
737
00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:47.359
Um,
738
00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:48.459
they haven't got,
739
00:19:48.469 --> 00:19:50.180
gotten quite to some of those,
740
00:19:50.459 --> 00:19:50.750
um,
741
00:19:50.839 --> 00:19:51.439
but he,
742
00:19:51.579 --> 00:19:53.020
he goes on to ask her
743
00:19:53.520 --> 00:19:55.819
to pretend she's like 14
744
00:19:56.359 --> 00:19:56.900
and,
745
00:19:56.920 --> 00:19:57.510
um,
746
00:19:57.520 --> 00:19:58.319
pretend he,
747
00:19:58.520 --> 00:19:59.829
she's his sister,
748
00:20:00.199 --> 00:20:00.920
and these really,
749
00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:01.229
I mean,
750
00:20:01.280 --> 00:20:01.479
the,
751
00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:01.800
the,
752
00:20:01.839 --> 00:20:02.260
the,
753
00:20:02.439 --> 00:20:02.739
the,
754
00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:04.819
the text messages
755
00:20:04.959 --> 00:20:06.219
get very disturbing.
756
00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:08.969
What about the jury?
757
00:20:09.130 --> 00:20:10.550
What has your um?
758
00:20:11.449 --> 00:20:12.250
Take been on them?
759
00:20:12.290 --> 00:20:12.569
I mean,
760
00:20:12.689 --> 00:20:14.750
I don't know if you like what what what's kind of the makeup
761
00:20:14.750 --> 00:20:18.449
and what's the like what's what's the vibe you're getting from them?
762
00:20:18.969 --> 00:20:20.489
There's um 6 women,
763
00:20:20.550 --> 00:20:21.349
10 men,
764
00:20:21.890 --> 00:20:22.930
um,
765
00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:23.959
Mm
766
00:20:24.729 --> 00:20:25.959
A lot of people were a little
767
00:20:26.579 --> 00:20:27.400
horrified
768
00:20:27.619 --> 00:20:28.849
during the opening
769
00:20:29.099 --> 00:20:30.920
when they heard the initial case,
770
00:20:31.219 --> 00:20:31.739
um.
771
00:20:32.410 --> 00:20:35.380
But I think once they started seeing the text messages.
772
00:20:36.709 --> 00:20:37.209
That's
773
00:20:37.589 --> 00:20:39.540
when they started hearing them and,
774
00:20:39.589 --> 00:20:40.140
and,
775
00:20:40.150 --> 00:20:40.709
um.
776
00:20:42.410 --> 00:20:43.349
Realizing
777
00:20:43.729 --> 00:20:46.079
what the makeup of the relationship was and,
778
00:20:46.130 --> 00:20:46.790
and,
779
00:20:47.329 --> 00:20:47.609
you know,
780
00:20:47.810 --> 00:20:51.750
how he said he would have done it a year earlier and things like that.
781
00:20:52.250 --> 00:20:54.150
There are people who are horrified.
782
00:20:54.719 --> 00:20:55.369
Um,
783
00:20:55.770 --> 00:20:59.089
there's a woman that's in the back row and she just sat there with like,
784
00:20:59.170 --> 00:20:59.530
she,
785
00:20:59.930 --> 00:21:00.530
she was like,
786
00:21:02.050 --> 00:21:03.829
Putting like a sour look on her face,
787
00:21:03.969 --> 00:21:05.589
that's the best way I could describe it.
788
00:21:06.130 --> 00:21:06.849
Um,
789
00:21:07.209 --> 00:21:10.359
there's like men that are sitting with their hand over their face,
790
00:21:10.410 --> 00:21:10.849
like,
791
00:21:11.050 --> 00:21:13.949
you could tell that that their jaws are just on the floor.
792
00:21:14.329 --> 00:21:15.130
Um,
793
00:21:16.079 --> 00:21:17.180
There's a few,
794
00:21:17.640 --> 00:21:18.719
there's a woman in the front,
795
00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:19.160
she,
796
00:21:19.280 --> 00:21:22.180
you could tell she was just disgusted by it.
797
00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:22.790
So,
798
00:21:22.800 --> 00:21:25.150
I feel like most of the jury is disgusted.
799
00:21:25.199 --> 00:21:26.160
There's a couple that you,
800
00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:26.560
you know,
801
00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:27.719
have a good poker face,
802
00:21:27.800 --> 00:21:28.829
but for the most part,
803
00:21:29.040 --> 00:21:30.160
you can tell that they're,
804
00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:31.609
they're horrified by these.
805
00:21:31.839 --> 00:21:33.000
Cause especially there's the added,
806
00:21:33.040 --> 00:21:33.359
uh,
807
00:21:33.560 --> 00:21:33.719
you know,
808
00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:34.750
added part of it.
809
00:21:34.989 --> 00:21:37.829
He's not just some guy who went and did this to a young girl.
810
00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:39.469
He was a police officer,
811
00:21:39.750 --> 00:21:39.920
you know,
812
00:21:40.040 --> 00:21:41.780
he was a mandated reporter.
813
00:21:42.079 --> 00:21:42.319
He's,
814
00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:43.270
he's somebody that
815
00:21:43.839 --> 00:21:45.300
That somebody should be bringing
816
00:21:45.479 --> 00:21:47.780
their child to when this happens to them,
817
00:21:48.040 --> 00:21:49.859
and he's the one who's the perpetrator.
818
00:21:51.050 --> 00:21:52.530
Do you think he's seen you
819
00:21:53.099 --> 00:21:53.310
in,
820
00:21:53.339 --> 00:21:53.609
in,
821
00:21:53.739 --> 00:21:54.219
cause he must,
822
00:21:54.280 --> 00:21:54.579
I mean,
823
00:21:54.699 --> 00:21:55.689
I'm sure he doesn't like you.
824
00:21:55.709 --> 00:21:55.859
I mean,
825
00:21:55.900 --> 00:21:58.319
you're one of the reasons that this whole thing
826
00:21:58.859 --> 00:21:59.770
came to a head,
827
00:21:59.939 --> 00:22:01.729
and now he probably sees you in court,
828
00:22:01.780 --> 00:22:02.479
I'm sure.
829
00:22:03.099 --> 00:22:03.280
Yeah,
830
00:22:03.459 --> 00:22:03.469
uh,
831
00:22:03.660 --> 00:22:04.060
he has,
832
00:22:04.140 --> 00:22:04.380
he,
833
00:22:04.500 --> 00:22:05.119
he,
834
00:22:05.619 --> 00:22:08.719
he looked over in our direction one time
835
00:22:09.060 --> 00:22:11.439
in the um pretrial,
836
00:22:12.020 --> 00:22:13.160
but he doesn't look at us,
837
00:22:13.260 --> 00:22:13.770
but I mean,
838
00:22:13.859 --> 00:22:16.209
we're sitting right there when he walks in.
839
00:22:16.579 --> 00:22:17.719
We're in his eye line,
840
00:22:17.780 --> 00:22:19.790
even though he tries to act like we're not.
841
00:22:20.180 --> 00:22:20.619
Um,
842
00:22:20.699 --> 00:22:22.359
I'm definitely probably not
843
00:22:22.699 --> 00:22:23.680
a favorite person,
844
00:22:24.130 --> 00:22:24.459
you know,
845
00:22:24.619 --> 00:22:26.260
to be sitting in the court for him,
846
00:22:26.660 --> 00:22:27.219
um,
847
00:22:27.500 --> 00:22:27.819
you know,
848
00:22:27.939 --> 00:22:29.680
and I know they all know my name.
849
00:22:30.530 --> 00:22:32.359
I know they know who I am because,
850
00:22:32.369 --> 00:22:32.650
you know,
851
00:22:32.770 --> 00:22:33.589
I've been
852
00:22:34.089 --> 00:22:37.189
the face of the Justice for Sandra Birchmore Group for so long.
853
00:22:37.760 --> 00:22:38.319
Thankfully,
854
00:22:38.329 --> 00:22:38.739
now,
855
00:22:38.839 --> 00:22:39.319
um,
856
00:22:39.329 --> 00:22:39.650
Barb,
857
00:22:39.770 --> 00:22:40.819
Sandra's cousin,
858
00:22:41.089 --> 00:22:44.550
is able to step a little more into the spotlight and
859
00:22:45.060 --> 00:22:45.650
be the,
860
00:22:45.729 --> 00:22:48.319
the other face of the Justice for Sandra Birchmore Group,
861
00:22:48.369 --> 00:22:49.170
which it should be.
862
00:22:49.449 --> 00:22:49.569
You know,
863
00:22:49.609 --> 00:22:52.109
it's great to have a family member who's out there,
864
00:22:52.369 --> 00:22:52.969
um.
865
00:22:53.869 --> 00:22:55.800
Speaking about this case and,
866
00:22:55.859 --> 00:22:59.010
and telling how much she cared about Sandra and what Sandra was really like.
867
00:23:00.189 --> 00:23:03.790
Before the arrest and when it was just kind of you and and other,
868
00:23:03.900 --> 00:23:04.300
you know,
869
00:23:04.660 --> 00:23:06.520
creators trying to get this thing going.
870
00:23:07.530 --> 00:23:09.290
Did anyone ever try to stop you?
871
00:23:11.270 --> 00:23:12.189
Um,
872
00:23:12.430 --> 00:23:13.750
not stop me,
873
00:23:13.829 --> 00:23:14.979
but there was,
874
00:23:15.310 --> 00:23:16.810
we did have an incident with the,
875
00:23:16.819 --> 00:23:17.000
uh,
876
00:23:17.010 --> 00:23:20.290
Massachusetts State Police trooper when he tried to back into our car.
877
00:23:21.040 --> 00:23:21.880
And then,
878
00:23:21.890 --> 00:23:22.449
um,
879
00:23:22.530 --> 00:23:24.510
and then he tried to ram into us.
880
00:23:25.010 --> 00:23:25.689
What happened?
881
00:23:26.439 --> 00:23:26.890
Um,
882
00:23:27.010 --> 00:23:29.630
we were just in a parking lot coming out of court,
883
00:23:29.810 --> 00:23:30.000
um,
884
00:23:30.050 --> 00:23:30.849
for something else,
885
00:23:30.969 --> 00:23:31.550
nothing
886
00:23:31.810 --> 00:23:33.089
Sandra related,
887
00:23:33.170 --> 00:23:33.650
um.
888
00:23:34.390 --> 00:23:36.619
And we were sitting in the car and um
889
00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:37.380
he
890
00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:38.140
was
891
00:23:38.439 --> 00:23:41.719
basically backing into backing up into us to T-bone us.
892
00:23:42.900 --> 00:23:43.890
And
893
00:23:44.390 --> 00:23:46.609
um my friend beeped her horn and he,
894
00:23:46.790 --> 00:23:47.770
he stopped.
895
00:23:48.189 --> 00:23:49.020
And then,
896
00:23:49.030 --> 00:23:49.890
um,
897
00:23:50.920 --> 00:23:51.640
Rightfully so,
898
00:23:51.760 --> 00:23:52.800
she was very nervous,
899
00:23:53.079 --> 00:23:54.069
so we sat there a minute,
900
00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:56.410
and then when we backed out of the spot to leave,
901
00:23:57.160 --> 00:23:59.699
he uh drove his car,
902
00:24:00.199 --> 00:24:01.000
like he,
903
00:24:01.010 --> 00:24:01.030
he,
904
00:24:01.099 --> 00:24:02.859
I saw his lights flicker in the back,
905
00:24:03.390 --> 00:24:06.000
and he cut out in front of us and almost hit us,
906
00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:07.219
and then turned into a
907
00:24:07.390 --> 00:24:08.119
a parking lot.
908
00:24:08.199 --> 00:24:08.810
So it wasn't like,
909
00:24:08.920 --> 00:24:09.959
I thought at first that he was,
910
00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:12.140
he got a call and he had to leave real quick,
911
00:24:12.479 --> 00:24:13.040
but he didn't.
912
00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:13.780
He just like
913
00:24:14.630 --> 00:24:16.609
swung his car into our path
914
00:24:16.780 --> 00:24:19.430
and then turned into the parking lot right next to us.
915
00:24:19.709 --> 00:24:21.189
And I knew it was on perfect pur pur
916
00:24:22.109 --> 00:24:24.849
I knew it was on purpose because the night before I'd been on
917
00:24:25.130 --> 00:24:26.209
um a
918
00:24:26.469 --> 00:24:28.180
YouTube show talking about,
919
00:24:28.390 --> 00:24:28.550
you know,
920
00:24:28.599 --> 00:24:30.329
the Massachusetts State Police
921
00:24:30.869 --> 00:24:31.530
heavily.
922
00:24:32.250 --> 00:24:33.369
Do they all know you?
923
00:24:33.729 --> 00:24:34.489
I believe so.
924
00:24:35.369 --> 00:24:35.599
I mean,
925
00:24:35.650 --> 00:24:35.969
I know,
926
00:24:36.089 --> 00:24:37.869
I know everybody in that that office,
927
00:24:37.969 --> 00:24:38.130
you know,
928
00:24:38.209 --> 00:24:39.329
the CPAC unit know me,
929
00:24:39.449 --> 00:24:39.969
knows me.
930
00:24:40.890 --> 00:24:42.310
And that was an officer in that,
931
00:24:42.380 --> 00:24:43.010
it was a,
932
00:24:43.109 --> 00:24:44.989
a trooper from that area.
933
00:24:45.099 --> 00:24:45.920
So I assume
934
00:24:46.219 --> 00:24:48.040
they probably knew who I was also.
935
00:24:49.280 --> 00:24:50.750
Since you know the case so well,
936
00:24:50.829 --> 00:24:51.030
I mean,
937
00:24:51.109 --> 00:24:51.660
we've,
938
00:24:51.829 --> 00:24:52.449
um,
939
00:24:53.109 --> 00:24:53.910
it's only been what,
940
00:24:53.949 --> 00:24:54.109
it's,
941
00:24:54.150 --> 00:24:55.829
it's been about 1 week since it started,
942
00:24:55.949 --> 00:24:56.390
um,
943
00:24:56.550 --> 00:24:58.339
and the text messages just came out.
944
00:24:58.420 --> 00:24:59.849
We've had some other witnesses
945
00:25:00.030 --> 00:25:00.949
like what should we,
946
00:25:00.989 --> 00:25:01.109
I,
947
00:25:01.150 --> 00:25:01.270
I,
948
00:25:01.349 --> 00:25:03.069
I've heard it's gonna take maybe 5 weeks.
949
00:25:03.229 --> 00:25:03.390
What,
950
00:25:03.510 --> 00:25:06.540
what do you think we should expect in terms of other witnesses?
951
00:25:06.670 --> 00:25:07.099
I mean,
952
00:25:07.270 --> 00:25:09.170
I've heard that Farwell's twin brother
953
00:25:09.670 --> 00:25:10.910
will testify like.
954
00:25:11.670 --> 00:25:11.890
Yeah,
955
00:25:11.939 --> 00:25:12.660
I guess 2 questions.
956
00:25:12.739 --> 00:25:14.020
What else do you think we should expect?
957
00:25:14.060 --> 00:25:15.339
And then with the twin brother,
958
00:25:15.420 --> 00:25:15.619
like,
959
00:25:15.699 --> 00:25:18.319
is he just gonna come clean about everything?
960
00:25:19.540 --> 00:25:20.099
I don't know,
961
00:25:20.180 --> 00:25:22.020
and that's one thing about his twin brother.
962
00:25:22.060 --> 00:25:24.699
I'm wondering because he's not on Farwell's list.
963
00:25:24.780 --> 00:25:26.280
He's on the prosecution list.
964
00:25:26.660 --> 00:25:28.160
So I don't know if he took a deal
965
00:25:28.760 --> 00:25:29.180
or,
966
00:25:29.250 --> 00:25:29.939
or what he,
967
00:25:30.099 --> 00:25:31.000
what's going on with him,
968
00:25:31.619 --> 00:25:32.089
but that's,
969
00:25:32.140 --> 00:25:32.760
you know,
970
00:25:33.300 --> 00:25:33.790
that's crazy.
971
00:25:33.859 --> 00:25:35.910
His twin brother is going to testify against him.
972
00:25:37.030 --> 00:25:38.640
There will be a lot coming out,
973
00:25:38.760 --> 00:25:39.040
you know,
974
00:25:39.119 --> 00:25:39.439
um,
975
00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:41.739
they will also have Josh Heel on the stand.
976
00:25:42.280 --> 00:25:42.750
He's the,
977
00:25:42.760 --> 00:25:43.469
um,
978
00:25:43.479 --> 00:25:43.849
former arm,
979
00:25:43.859 --> 00:25:44.790
um,
980
00:25:44.800 --> 00:25:45.500
former.
981
00:25:46.239 --> 00:25:46.660
Um,
982
00:25:47.099 --> 00:25:48.349
animal control officer who,
983
00:25:48.439 --> 00:25:48.939
who did,
984
00:25:49.040 --> 00:25:49.650
um,
985
00:25:49.959 --> 00:25:51.079
have a hook up with Sander,
986
00:25:51.119 --> 00:25:53.239
but went on to be her friend,
987
00:25:53.599 --> 00:25:55.640
and she would tell him everything.
988
00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:59.939
He was somebody she could confide in because he already knew what was going on.
989
00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:01.119
Um.
990
00:26:01.869 --> 00:26:04.810
The army recruiter who is the father of Sandra's
991
00:26:04.989 --> 00:26:05.540
baby,
992
00:26:05.829 --> 00:26:07.390
he's gonna be taking the stand.
993
00:26:08.180 --> 00:26:08.859
Um,
994
00:26:09.109 --> 00:26:11.189
there will be a lot more co-workers of,
995
00:26:11.300 --> 00:26:13.290
of Farwell's to be taking the stand,
996
00:26:13.670 --> 00:26:14.569
and I think that
997
00:26:14.750 --> 00:26:17.770
that is what will carry a lot of weight to see
998
00:26:18.030 --> 00:26:20.060
a lot of police officers,
999
00:26:20.670 --> 00:26:22.770
officers and former police officers,
1000
00:26:23.030 --> 00:26:23.380
um,
1001
00:26:23.510 --> 00:26:25.030
taking the stand against him.
1002
00:26:25.270 --> 00:26:25.430
You know,
1003
00:26:25.510 --> 00:26:26.069
it's not,
1004
00:26:26.229 --> 00:26:27.790
it's not a civilian telling them,
1005
00:26:27.829 --> 00:26:28.290
it's
1006
00:26:28.709 --> 00:26:28.869
police,
1007
00:26:28.989 --> 00:26:30.449
fellow police officers saying,
1008
00:26:31.109 --> 00:26:31.949
this guy did this,
1009
00:26:32.030 --> 00:26:32.540
you know.
1010
00:26:33.239 --> 00:26:35.160
And you mentioned he was the union president.
1011
00:26:35.239 --> 00:26:36.040
Was he liked?
1012
00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:36.319
I mean,
1013
00:26:36.369 --> 00:26:38.040
was he like a popular guy,
1014
00:26:38.239 --> 00:26:38.859
Farwell?
1015
00:26:39.270 --> 00:26:39.760
Um,
1016
00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:42.699
I'm not 100% sure cause I've heard different
1017
00:26:42.959 --> 00:26:43.619
things.
1018
00:26:43.989 --> 00:26:44.680
Um,
1019
00:26:44.800 --> 00:26:45.339
I've,
1020
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:46.900
I've heard from
1021
00:26:47.040 --> 00:26:48.819
past relationships of his
1022
00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:51.829
that he was a weirdo and he was just
1023
00:26:52.560 --> 00:26:53.030
But I,
1024
00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:55.959
I have a lot of the cops won't talk to me,
1025
00:26:56.150 --> 00:26:56.550
so.
1026
00:26:56.680 --> 00:26:56.979
Yeah,
1027
00:26:57.119 --> 00:26:57.890
that makes sense.
1028
00:26:58.099 --> 00:26:58.540
Yeah.
1029
00:26:58.839 --> 00:26:59.420
Um,
1030
00:26:59.760 --> 00:27:00.640
what about Sandra?
1031
00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:00.869
I mean,
1032
00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:01.739
I know her,
1033
00:27:02.599 --> 00:27:04.119
her grandma and mom passed away,
1034
00:27:04.219 --> 00:27:04.719
right?
1035
00:27:05.079 --> 00:27:06.479
What was her life like?
1036
00:27:06.560 --> 00:27:06.719
I mean,
1037
00:27:06.760 --> 00:27:08.339
what have you learned about her,
1038
00:27:08.859 --> 00:27:09.479
um,
1039
00:27:09.760 --> 00:27:09.920
you know,
1040
00:27:10.199 --> 00:27:12.040
like her childhood and that kind of thing.
1041
00:27:12.900 --> 00:27:13.180
Yeah,
1042
00:27:13.300 --> 00:27:13.729
um,
1043
00:27:14.180 --> 00:27:17.359
Sandra was a very smart young woman.
1044
00:27:17.819 --> 00:27:18.880
Um,
1045
00:27:19.060 --> 00:27:20.000
she
1046
00:27:20.300 --> 00:27:20.930
was
1047
00:27:21.569 --> 00:27:22.800
Like a very happy,
1048
00:27:22.890 --> 00:27:23.569
happy person,
1049
00:27:23.689 --> 00:27:24.829
like happy person.
1050
00:27:25.479 --> 00:27:26.130
On the surface,
1051
00:27:26.410 --> 00:27:28.050
we don't know what she was feeling underneath.
1052
00:27:28.329 --> 00:27:28.729
She was,
1053
00:27:28.890 --> 00:27:29.390
she was
1054
00:27:29.729 --> 00:27:30.439
bullied,
1055
00:27:30.569 --> 00:27:31.630
she was,
1056
00:27:31.969 --> 00:27:32.949
um,
1057
00:27:33.569 --> 00:27:33.920
you know,
1058
00:27:34.050 --> 00:27:35.810
when she entered that program,
1059
00:27:36.579 --> 00:27:36.589
She
1060
00:27:37.300 --> 00:27:38.670
had just lost her grandfather.
1061
00:27:39.689 --> 00:27:41.250
The one male figure in her life.
1062
00:27:41.369 --> 00:27:42.829
She never knew her father,
1063
00:27:43.349 --> 00:27:43.770
and you know,
1064
00:27:43.849 --> 00:27:45.189
her mom was sickly.
1065
00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:47.130
And um
1066
00:27:48.030 --> 00:27:50.900
So that's why I think they were able to get their claws in her.
1067
00:27:51.630 --> 00:27:53.239
Sandra was very feisty.
1068
00:27:53.510 --> 00:27:55.329
That's one thing I did learn about her.
1069
00:27:55.709 --> 00:27:56.469
Um.
1070
00:27:58.109 --> 00:27:58.589
And,
1071
00:27:58.680 --> 00:27:58.839
you know,
1072
00:27:59.040 --> 00:28:01.280
she did have to help her mom sometimes,
1073
00:28:01.719 --> 00:28:03.560
and then she was devastated,
1074
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:03.800
you know,
1075
00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:04.199
when,
1076
00:28:04.280 --> 00:28:07.349
when she lost her mom and her grandmother within a month of each other.
1077
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:08.510
She lost,
1078
00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:08.790
like,
1079
00:28:08.800 --> 00:28:10.540
that was everything to her.
1080
00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:13.400
And that's something people need to think about,
1081
00:28:13.479 --> 00:28:14.099
you know.
1082
00:28:14.560 --> 00:28:15.500
If she didn't
1083
00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:17.160
do it then,
1084
00:28:17.719 --> 00:28:19.780
she didn't take her own life when her mom
1085
00:28:20.319 --> 00:28:22.969
and her grandmother passed within a month of each other.
1086
00:28:23.729 --> 00:28:25.430
It's kind of questionable
1087
00:28:25.930 --> 00:28:26.770
that she would.
1088
00:28:28.060 --> 00:28:28.829
Do it now.
1089
00:28:29.099 --> 00:28:30.540
When she was getting what she wanted,
1090
00:28:30.619 --> 00:28:31.130
she was pregnant,
1091
00:28:31.180 --> 00:28:31.699
she was happy,
1092
00:28:31.810 --> 00:28:33.040
she was having a baby.
1093
00:28:33.459 --> 00:28:33.969
And,
1094
00:28:34.050 --> 00:28:34.439
you know,
1095
00:28:37.420 --> 00:28:37.859
Sadly,
1096
00:28:38.060 --> 00:28:41.160
Sandra wasn't able to reach her full potential.
1097
00:28:41.540 --> 00:28:42.040
Um,
1098
00:28:42.739 --> 00:28:44.729
she was starting to get her stride,
1099
00:28:45.060 --> 00:28:45.599
you know,
1100
00:28:45.689 --> 00:28:46.569
um,
1101
00:28:46.900 --> 00:28:48.040
but also these
1102
00:28:48.219 --> 00:28:48.609
guys,
1103
00:28:49.329 --> 00:28:50.459
especially Farwell,
1104
00:28:50.930 --> 00:28:51.420
you know,
1105
00:28:51.579 --> 00:28:53.459
grooming changes who you are.
1106
00:28:53.579 --> 00:28:53.640
It,
1107
00:28:53.739 --> 00:28:53.939
it,
1108
00:28:54.089 --> 00:28:54.459
you know,
1109
00:28:54.520 --> 00:28:55.040
um,
1110
00:28:56.150 --> 00:28:57.579
You're on one path in your life,
1111
00:28:57.589 --> 00:29:00.050
and then this person comes into your life and they
1112
00:29:01.010 --> 00:29:02.920
Teach you how to be a different way.
1113
00:29:02.939 --> 00:29:03.510
And,
1114
00:29:03.619 --> 00:29:03.979
you know,
1115
00:29:04.060 --> 00:29:04.380
um,
1116
00:29:04.500 --> 00:29:05.020
I,
1117
00:29:05.500 --> 00:29:07.660
that's one thing I think we need to look into more
1118
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:11.719
is for people to understand what grooming is and how it changes a child,
1119
00:29:12.099 --> 00:29:14.250
and it doesn't stop at 18.
1120
00:29:14.579 --> 00:29:15.619
We've had a lot of people say to us,
1121
00:29:15.760 --> 00:29:15.849
well,
1122
00:29:16.020 --> 00:29:16.780
she was 23,
1123
00:29:16.859 --> 00:29:17.020
you know,
1124
00:29:17.140 --> 00:29:18.079
she was an adult.
1125
00:29:18.500 --> 00:29:18.579
Yes,
1126
00:29:18.699 --> 00:29:19.959
but grooming doesn't stop.
1127
00:29:20.300 --> 00:29:22.420
It doesn't stop because your birthdays and you have,
1128
00:29:22.500 --> 00:29:22.699
you know,
1129
00:29:22.810 --> 00:29:23.810
you turn 18,
1130
00:29:24.060 --> 00:29:25.010
it continues.
1131
00:29:25.209 --> 00:29:27.099
And he had his thumb over Sandra,
1132
00:29:27.339 --> 00:29:27.500
you know,
1133
00:29:27.619 --> 00:29:28.160
he was
1134
00:29:29.199 --> 00:29:30.229
Um,
1135
00:29:30.510 --> 00:29:32.160
he was monitoring her
1136
00:29:32.420 --> 00:29:33.489
by her phone,
1137
00:29:33.699 --> 00:29:35.040
a phone app on her phone,
1138
00:29:35.260 --> 00:29:35.449
you know,
1139
00:29:35.579 --> 00:29:37.680
she would shut her phone off or shut off her location.
1140
00:29:38.540 --> 00:29:41.569
He would like message her relentlessly saying,
1141
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:43.150
why isn't your location showing?
1142
00:29:44.140 --> 00:29:45.780
Why can't I see where you are?
1143
00:29:46.060 --> 00:29:46.420
You know,
1144
00:29:46.540 --> 00:29:48.160
so he was very controlling.
1145
00:29:48.459 --> 00:29:49.239
Um,
1146
00:29:49.819 --> 00:29:50.579
and
1147
00:29:51.099 --> 00:29:52.780
we found out before he was arrested,
1148
00:29:52.900 --> 00:29:55.000
actually like about a month and a half before,
1149
00:29:55.540 --> 00:29:57.819
that it wasn't just like uh
1150
00:29:58.910 --> 00:29:59.069
You know,
1151
00:29:59.150 --> 00:29:59.300
a,
1152
00:29:59.349 --> 00:30:00.630
a sexual relationship.
1153
00:30:00.689 --> 00:30:01.530
It was more
1154
00:30:01.630 --> 00:30:03.660
a violent sexual relationship and,
1155
00:30:03.709 --> 00:30:04.109
and,
1156
00:30:04.390 --> 00:30:04.770
and,
1157
00:30:04.989 --> 00:30:05.420
um,
1158
00:30:05.430 --> 00:30:08.650
choking and stuff like that from one of our friends came to us.
1159
00:30:08.989 --> 00:30:09.540
And,
1160
00:30:09.550 --> 00:30:10.219
um,
1161
00:30:10.750 --> 00:30:12.849
so it's like people don't understand that's why
1162
00:30:13.530 --> 00:30:15.849
Sandra might have made some of the decisions she made,
1163
00:30:16.630 --> 00:30:17.880
because she was under his thumb.
1164
00:30:18.709 --> 00:30:22.319
But she was also trying to get from out from under him and she was realizing
1165
00:30:22.709 --> 00:30:22.900
like,
1166
00:30:23.030 --> 00:30:23.229
oh,
1167
00:30:23.349 --> 00:30:24.369
I can use.
1168
00:30:25.410 --> 00:30:27.609
What he's done to me to get what I want,
1169
00:30:28.050 --> 00:30:28.250
you know,
1170
00:30:28.329 --> 00:30:29.329
that's why she said,
1171
00:30:29.489 --> 00:30:29.930
I want,
1172
00:30:30.010 --> 00:30:30.869
I wanna have a baby,
1173
00:30:30.890 --> 00:30:31.250
and
1174
00:30:31.449 --> 00:30:32.089
if you don't,
1175
00:30:32.290 --> 00:30:33.670
I'm gonna tell your wife and your work.
1176
00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:35.719
And he couldn't have that anymore,
1177
00:30:35.969 --> 00:30:36.119
you know,
1178
00:30:36.199 --> 00:30:37.829
and when her friend called her work,
1179
00:30:39.270 --> 00:30:40.170
That was
1180
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:43.390
That was the end of the beginning of
1181
00:30:44.050 --> 00:30:44.520
Sandra,
1182
00:30:44.689 --> 00:30:46.310
because you mean when her friend called
1183
00:30:46.770 --> 00:30:47.729
Farwell's job,
1184
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:48.010
right?
1185
00:30:48.670 --> 00:30:49.449
Police department.
1186
00:30:49.810 --> 00:30:49.969
Yes,
1187
00:30:50.040 --> 00:30:51.209
on January 20th.
1188
00:30:51.290 --> 00:30:51.969
And what happened then?
1189
00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:53.510
Remind me of that story.
1190
00:30:54.050 --> 00:30:55.910
Sandra owed her friend money
1191
00:30:56.130 --> 00:30:57.329
and um
1192
00:30:57.530 --> 00:30:58.949
she was kind of avoiding her.
1193
00:30:59.949 --> 00:31:01.439
And her friend was calling her,
1194
00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:01.719
hey,
1195
00:31:01.800 --> 00:31:02.280
I want my,
1196
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:04.500
I think it's $248
1197
00:31:04.959 --> 00:31:05.569
and
1198
00:31:05.750 --> 00:31:07.040
she wasn't getting anywhere with Sandra,
1199
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:08.300
so she called the police department.
1200
00:31:09.040 --> 00:31:09.430
And they're like,
1201
00:31:09.520 --> 00:31:09.719
ma'am,
1202
00:31:09.829 --> 00:31:10.959
we can't do anything about that.
1203
00:31:11.040 --> 00:31:12.000
That's something civil,
1204
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:13.750
we don't handle something like that.
1205
00:31:14.270 --> 00:31:14.920
And she said,
1206
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:15.400
oh yeah,
1207
00:31:15.520 --> 00:31:15.670
well,
1208
00:31:15.719 --> 00:31:16.300
you tell,
1209
00:31:16.520 --> 00:31:18.300
basically you tell Matthew Farrell
1210
00:31:18.439 --> 00:31:20.599
to tell his girlfriend Sandra Birchmore
1211
00:31:21.040 --> 00:31:22.099
to give me back my money.
1212
00:31:22.859 --> 00:31:26.130
And everybody in the police station knew who Sandra Birchmore was,
1213
00:31:26.380 --> 00:31:26.729
you know,
1214
00:31:27.020 --> 00:31:28.410
she was there from the explorers,
1215
00:31:28.780 --> 00:31:33.329
she continued to come around the um the police station even after being an explorer.
1216
00:31:33.900 --> 00:31:34.160
So
1217
00:31:34.579 --> 00:31:35.900
when that name was dropped,
1218
00:31:36.750 --> 00:31:37.489
Basically,
1219
00:31:37.630 --> 00:31:38.530
that was,
1220
00:31:39.469 --> 00:31:40.250
that was when
1221
00:31:40.630 --> 00:31:42.579
that phone call sealed Sandra's fate.
1222
00:31:42.949 --> 00:31:44.170
I personally believe
1223
00:31:44.459 --> 00:31:45.140
down the line,
1224
00:31:45.189 --> 00:31:47.890
he would have ended up doing this to her because
1225
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:49.160
you can't,
1226
00:31:49.189 --> 00:31:51.160
he couldn't have the secret out there.
1227
00:31:51.550 --> 00:31:52.119
And like I said,
1228
00:31:52.270 --> 00:31:54.319
Sandra was starting to come out from under his,
1229
00:31:54.349 --> 00:31:55.530
his control,
1230
00:31:55.869 --> 00:31:56.270
um,
1231
00:31:56.390 --> 00:31:56.930
but
1232
00:31:57.469 --> 00:31:57.869
that,
1233
00:31:58.020 --> 00:31:59.810
that phone call
1234
00:32:00.030 --> 00:32:00.810
is what
1235
00:32:01.739 --> 00:32:03.959
Set off a cascade of dominoes
1236
00:32:04.660 --> 00:32:06.770
that ended up with Sandra losing her life.
1237
00:32:07.219 --> 00:32:09.920
So word got to him that that friend had called.
1238
00:32:10.250 --> 00:32:10.479
Yes,
1239
00:32:10.699 --> 00:32:14.439
because that the dispatcher who answered the the um that call
1240
00:32:15.099 --> 00:32:15.849
didn't go,
1241
00:32:16.020 --> 00:32:16.979
didn't report it.
1242
00:32:17.380 --> 00:32:19.060
That dispatcher went to Farwell.
1243
00:32:20.390 --> 00:32:22.150
And he called Sandra and he was,
1244
00:32:22.310 --> 00:32:23.650
he was texting Sandra,
1245
00:32:23.910 --> 00:32:24.229
you know,
1246
00:32:24.390 --> 00:32:24.859
um,
1247
00:32:25.030 --> 00:32:26.839
I thought nobody knew about us and,
1248
00:32:26.869 --> 00:32:27.189
um,
1249
00:32:27.270 --> 00:32:27.729
you know,
1250
00:32:27.989 --> 00:32:28.800
that was my job,
1251
00:32:28.859 --> 00:32:29.939
this is my livelihood,
1252
00:32:29.989 --> 00:32:30.619
you know,
1253
00:32:31.030 --> 00:32:31.670
what the heck,
1254
00:32:31.750 --> 00:32:31.949
you know,
1255
00:32:32.109 --> 00:32:32.439
what,
1256
00:32:32.709 --> 00:32:33.750
what other friends are gonna,
1257
00:32:33.930 --> 00:32:34.410
are gonna
1258
00:32:34.709 --> 00:32:35.270
come out next?
1259
00:32:35.339 --> 00:32:36.150
Who did you tell?
1260
00:32:36.250 --> 00:32:36.670
And he was,
1261
00:32:36.739 --> 00:32:37.609
he was angry.
1262
00:32:38.109 --> 00:32:39.589
And that's when he started,
1263
00:32:39.800 --> 00:32:40.530
um,
1264
00:32:40.979 --> 00:32:42.290
plotting what to do.
1265
00:32:42.630 --> 00:32:43.290
And
1266
00:32:43.390 --> 00:32:43.869
um
1267
00:32:44.189 --> 00:32:45.750
then he started going to her apartment,
1268
00:32:45.810 --> 00:32:47.359
he inspected her closet.
1269
00:32:47.949 --> 00:32:50.939
And he inspected her bathroom.
1270
00:32:51.229 --> 00:32:53.469
She even texts uh two different friends about it,
1271
00:32:53.550 --> 00:32:54.250
saying it's,
1272
00:32:54.510 --> 00:32:55.270
it's really weird.
1273
00:32:55.349 --> 00:32:55.550
He's,
1274
00:32:55.630 --> 00:32:56.150
he's turned,
1275
00:32:56.229 --> 00:32:56.619
you know,
1276
00:32:56.829 --> 00:32:59.670
he's done a 180 and he's being really nice to me and
1277
00:32:59.949 --> 00:33:00.280
cause
1278
00:33:01.130 --> 00:33:01.849
Leading up to that,
1279
00:33:01.969 --> 00:33:02.489
that he was,
1280
00:33:02.609 --> 00:33:04.250
he was getting more violent,
1281
00:33:04.689 --> 00:33:04.880
um,
1282
00:33:04.930 --> 00:33:06.130
and it wasn't in the bedroom,
1283
00:33:06.209 --> 00:33:08.079
it was more violent and
1284
00:33:08.219 --> 00:33:10.650
like he shoved her to the ground one time,
1285
00:33:11.050 --> 00:33:12.670
he put her in a headlock,
1286
00:33:13.010 --> 00:33:14.489
he snatched her phone out of her.
1287
00:33:14.530 --> 00:33:17.349
I don't know if the phone and the headlock were at the same time.
1288
00:33:17.770 --> 00:33:18.390
So he was,
1289
00:33:18.530 --> 00:33:20.469
he was escalating with his physical
1290
00:33:20.930 --> 00:33:22.099
abuse with her,
1291
00:33:22.530 --> 00:33:23.390
and
1292
00:33:23.930 --> 00:33:24.949
then it just
1293
00:33:25.089 --> 00:33:25.949
escalated till,
1294
00:33:26.010 --> 00:33:26.530
you know,
1295
00:33:26.890 --> 00:33:27.829
he took her life.
1296
00:33:28.479 --> 00:33:31.569
So you think that call to the police station was the beginning
1297
00:33:31.910 --> 00:33:33.469
of him making a decision.
1298
00:33:34.520 --> 00:33:34.839
Yes.
1299
00:33:34.979 --> 00:33:36.030
They get rid of her basically.
1300
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:36.310
It's,
1301
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:36.939
it's
1302
00:33:37.280 --> 00:33:37.979
getting out there.
1303
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:38.739
Yeah.
1304
00:33:39.630 --> 00:33:40.550
Because he was afraid if,
1305
00:33:40.630 --> 00:33:41.020
if,
1306
00:33:41.459 --> 00:33:41.630
you know,
1307
00:33:41.709 --> 00:33:44.170
the two things he would lose was his job,
1308
00:33:44.709 --> 00:33:44.859
uh,
1309
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:45.630
actually there's 3,
1310
00:33:45.709 --> 00:33:46.650
his job,
1311
00:33:47.229 --> 00:33:48.089
his wife,
1312
00:33:48.270 --> 00:33:49.060
and family,
1313
00:33:49.260 --> 00:33:50.170
and his freedom.
1314
00:33:50.589 --> 00:33:50.750
You know,
1315
00:33:50.910 --> 00:33:52.890
she had the ability to take all 3 away.
1316
00:33:54.300 --> 00:33:55.219
What was Sandra's job?
1317
00:33:55.260 --> 00:33:56.420
I was reading it was at a school,
1318
00:33:56.500 --> 00:33:57.040
right?
1319
00:33:57.540 --> 00:33:58.050
She was a,
1320
00:33:58.060 --> 00:33:58.640
um,
1321
00:33:58.660 --> 00:33:59.219
a,
1322
00:33:59.250 --> 00:33:59.599
um,
1323
00:33:59.650 --> 00:34:00.699
a teacher's assistant.
1324
00:34:01.750 --> 00:34:02.489
With kids,
1325
00:34:02.750 --> 00:34:03.089
yes,
1326
00:34:03.390 --> 00:34:03.829
she actually,
1327
00:34:03.910 --> 00:34:05.750
it came out that she only was with one,
1328
00:34:05.869 --> 00:34:07.250
she was specialized with one kid.
1329
00:34:09.070 --> 00:34:11.379
Like a special ed kind of thing or?
1330
00:34:11.918 --> 00:34:12.080
Um,
1331
00:34:12.120 --> 00:34:12.719
I'm not sure.
1332
00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:14.418
I think she was just their helper,
1333
00:34:14.438 --> 00:34:15.120
and I,
1334
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:16.629
I would assume it's more like that.
1335
00:34:16.708 --> 00:34:17.239
Um,
1336
00:34:17.600 --> 00:34:18.550
they didn't fully,
1337
00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:19.399
fully go into it,
1338
00:34:19.478 --> 00:34:19.639
but,
1339
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:19.840
and,
1340
00:34:19.918 --> 00:34:21.739
and I've never had anybody tell me
1341
00:34:22.149 --> 00:34:23.060
exactly what she did.
1342
00:34:23.139 --> 00:34:24.179
I just knew she was in
1343
00:34:24.520 --> 00:34:25.750
a teacher's classroom,
1344
00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:26.199
and I,
1345
00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:27.899
and she was with one child.
1346
00:34:28.399 --> 00:34:30.239
And I saw a picture like she loved her cats.
1347
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:32.188
There was a picture of her cats in the apartment.
1348
00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:33.379
Were those like her,
1349
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:34.870
she was close to her cats,
1350
00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:35.750
very close,
1351
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:36.290
and
1352
00:34:36.929 --> 00:34:38.790
She was only 10 weeks pregnant.
1353
00:34:39.458 --> 00:34:42.759
And she was making arrangements for when she gave birth
1354
00:34:42.978 --> 00:34:44.418
for somebody to take her cats.
1355
00:34:44.658 --> 00:34:46.398
Like Sandra was already making
1356
00:34:46.539 --> 00:34:48.108
so many arrangements.
1357
00:34:48.299 --> 00:34:49.717
You mean to like babysit her cats?
1358
00:34:49.858 --> 00:34:50.178
Yeah,
1359
00:34:50.339 --> 00:34:50.498
so,
1360
00:34:50.697 --> 00:34:51.128
so,
1361
00:34:51.259 --> 00:34:51.958
so for when
1362
00:34:52.099 --> 00:34:54.559
she went to the hospital to have birth of her child,
1363
00:34:55.299 --> 00:34:56.208
at 10 weeks,
1364
00:34:56.339 --> 00:34:58.958
she already made arrangements for somebody to
1365
00:34:59.259 --> 00:35:00.999
take her cats and take care of them.
1366
00:35:01.259 --> 00:35:01.418
You know,
1367
00:35:01.579 --> 00:35:03.368
she was making maternity photo um
1368
00:35:04.198 --> 00:35:05.089
appointments,
1369
00:35:05.218 --> 00:35:05.539
she was,
1370
00:35:05.549 --> 00:35:06.099
um,
1371
00:35:06.989 --> 00:35:08.870
She was planning her own baby shower.
1372
00:35:08.949 --> 00:35:10.489
She was doing all these things
1373
00:35:10.750 --> 00:35:12.090
that weren't leaning
1374
00:35:12.270 --> 00:35:12.719
towards,
1375
00:35:12.870 --> 00:35:13.370
you know,
1376
00:35:13.590 --> 00:35:14.889
somebody who would take their own life.
1377
00:35:15.070 --> 00:35:16.050
And also,
1378
00:35:16.389 --> 00:35:16.850
um,
1379
00:35:16.909 --> 00:35:17.959
I've always said,
1380
00:35:18.899 --> 00:35:20.820
He claims he went there to break up with her.
1381
00:35:21.149 --> 00:35:21.209
Well,
1382
00:35:21.310 --> 00:35:23.739
why did you have to go there in the middle of a snowstorm?
1383
00:35:24.179 --> 00:35:25.590
Canton got over 1 ft that
1384
00:35:25.709 --> 00:35:26.379
that month.
1385
00:35:26.540 --> 00:35:26.750
I mean,
1386
00:35:26.790 --> 00:35:26.979
that,
1387
00:35:27.030 --> 00:35:28.010
that snowstorm,
1388
00:35:28.340 --> 00:35:29.250
and um
1389
00:35:29.550 --> 00:35:29.949
why did,
1390
00:35:30.070 --> 00:35:30.939
why would you go there?
1391
00:35:31.030 --> 00:35:31.709
You could call her,
1392
00:35:31.790 --> 00:35:32.459
you could text her,
1393
00:35:32.510 --> 00:35:33.590
you can write her an email.
1394
00:35:33.830 --> 00:35:35.449
You did not have to go to her house
1395
00:35:35.790 --> 00:35:36.669
to break up with her.
1396
00:35:37.060 --> 00:35:39.169
He had broken up with her many times
1397
00:35:39.550 --> 00:35:40.370
over text.
1398
00:35:40.750 --> 00:35:41.010
So,
1399
00:35:41.429 --> 00:35:44.110
there is no reason why he went to that apartment.
1400
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:46.020
Except one reason.
1401
00:35:47.729 --> 00:35:49.850
Just randomly just cause you brought the cats.
1402
00:35:49.929 --> 00:35:50.040
Who,
1403
00:35:50.129 --> 00:35:51.600
who do we know who took the cats?
1404
00:35:51.889 --> 00:35:52.840
Her family has the cats.
1405
00:35:52.969 --> 00:35:53.409
Her family,
1406
00:35:53.479 --> 00:35:53.909
OK.
1407
00:35:54.050 --> 00:35:55.050
And does she have,
1408
00:35:55.090 --> 00:35:55.659
um,
1409
00:35:56.010 --> 00:35:57.590
I know you're close with her cousin,
1410
00:35:57.850 --> 00:35:59.350
but does she have a lot of family?
1411
00:36:00.469 --> 00:36:00.820
Um,
1412
00:36:00.939 --> 00:36:01.260
she is,
1413
00:36:01.300 --> 00:36:01.989
uh,
1414
00:36:02.419 --> 00:36:03.360
she has her aunt,
1415
00:36:04.100 --> 00:36:04.489
um,
1416
00:36:04.510 --> 00:36:05.219
and,
1417
00:36:05.300 --> 00:36:06.010
um,
1418
00:36:06.020 --> 00:36:07.550
she does have like cousins
1419
00:36:07.699 --> 00:36:08.100
extend,
1420
00:36:08.219 --> 00:36:10.260
she has actually a big extended family,
1421
00:36:10.340 --> 00:36:10.629
like,
1422
00:36:10.739 --> 00:36:12.020
a lot of cousins,
1423
00:36:12.340 --> 00:36:14.120
and some of them have been in the courtroom.
1424
00:36:14.459 --> 00:36:14.820
OK.
1425
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:15.830
Yeah,
1426
00:36:15.879 --> 00:36:16.580
it's just,
1427
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:17.409
um,
1428
00:36:17.879 --> 00:36:19.340
it's such an infuriating
1429
00:36:20.149 --> 00:36:20.399
situation.
1430
00:36:20.600 --> 00:36:21.350
I just worry.
1431
00:36:21.439 --> 00:36:21.560
I,
1432
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:22.469
I interviewed,
1433
00:36:22.479 --> 00:36:22.709
um,
1434
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:23.280
Mark Bederow,
1435
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:23.520
you know,
1436
00:36:23.560 --> 00:36:25.050
the criminal defense attorney,
1437
00:36:25.520 --> 00:36:30.399
and he was explaining to me because it's a federal case and the way the charges work,
1438
00:36:30.439 --> 00:36:31.320
like it's complex.
1439
00:36:31.399 --> 00:36:32.580
It's not just
1440
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:34.179
did he
1441
00:36:34.439 --> 00:36:35.159
murder her,
1442
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:35.620
you know,
1443
00:36:35.709 --> 00:36:35.909
it's,
1444
00:36:35.949 --> 00:36:37.870
it's much more complicated than that.
1445
00:36:38.080 --> 00:36:38.360
Yeah.
1446
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:39.280
It just,
1447
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:39.750
I don't know,
1448
00:36:39.830 --> 00:36:39.919
I,
1449
00:36:40.040 --> 00:36:40.439
I,
1450
00:36:41.120 --> 00:36:43.479
it seems like in some ways it could be a tough case.
1451
00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:43.979
Like,
1452
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:45.139
I don't think it's just
1453
00:36:45.479 --> 00:36:47.179
a slam dunk for the prosecution,
1454
00:36:47.399 --> 00:36:48.379
it doesn't seem.
1455
00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:49.239
I agree,
1456
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:52.010
and then there's the extra thing where um
1457
00:36:52.780 --> 00:36:55.159
They have the state case where they didn't charge him,
1458
00:36:55.739 --> 00:36:56.290
where they
1459
00:36:56.620 --> 00:36:57.750
pretty much cleared him.
1460
00:36:58.520 --> 00:36:59.179
And
1461
00:37:00.139 --> 00:37:01.120
Um,
1462
00:37:01.510 --> 00:37:03.110
the medical examiner originally,
1463
00:37:03.229 --> 00:37:04.649
her original findings were,
1464
00:37:04.919 --> 00:37:05.370
was
1465
00:37:05.709 --> 00:37:06.449
suicide.
1466
00:37:06.689 --> 00:37:07.489
Um,
1467
00:37:07.949 --> 00:37:09.209
so they have,
1468
00:37:09.949 --> 00:37:12.310
some of those people are going to testify for him,
1469
00:37:12.909 --> 00:37:13.169
you know,
1470
00:37:13.510 --> 00:37:14.290
and,
1471
00:37:14.300 --> 00:37:14.550
and it's,
1472
00:37:14.629 --> 00:37:17.030
so it's a little bit of an uphill battle for,
1473
00:37:17.350 --> 00:37:17.780
for,
1474
00:37:17.810 --> 00:37:18.500
um,
1475
00:37:18.870 --> 00:37:20.489
the prosecution and
1476
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:23.639
I've been telling people that I've been warning people for that for a while.
1477
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:24.000
I'm like,
1478
00:37:24.040 --> 00:37:24.239
you,
1479
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:25.260
you guys all think
1480
00:37:25.600 --> 00:37:27.739
just because you have your feelings on what he did.
1481
00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:28.479
I said,
1482
00:37:28.530 --> 00:37:29.800
it's not a slam dunk,
1483
00:37:29.889 --> 00:37:30.419
you know.
1484
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:33.899
There is gonna be an uphill battle with this case and um
1485
00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:34.590
I,
1486
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:34.919
I,
1487
00:37:35.040 --> 00:37:35.320
I mean,
1488
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:35.780
obviously,
1489
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:36.820
I hope it goes
1490
00:37:37.040 --> 00:37:37.979
a certain way,
1491
00:37:38.300 --> 00:37:40.260
but I don't have
1492
00:37:40.989 --> 00:37:43.459
all my faith that it will 100%,
1493
00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:43.939
you know,
1494
00:37:44.040 --> 00:37:44.239
I don't,
1495
00:37:44.439 --> 00:37:46.600
I'm not saying 100% that it's gonna,
1496
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:47.719
it's gonna go in a certain way,
1497
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:48.300
even though
1498
00:37:48.919 --> 00:37:50.379
how much I want it to go that way.
1499
00:37:51.550 --> 00:37:53.239
Is there anything else you think is important,
1500
00:37:53.399 --> 00:37:53.770
Mizzy?
1501
00:37:53.850 --> 00:37:54.000
I mean,
1502
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:54.280
it,
1503
00:37:54.350 --> 00:37:56.179
it seems like regardless of
1504
00:37:56.560 --> 00:37:57.399
Matthew Farwell,
1505
00:37:57.479 --> 00:37:58.139
there's a lot
1506
00:37:59.040 --> 00:37:59.899
more here
1507
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:02.939
like about why the state didn't do more.
1508
00:38:03.350 --> 00:38:03.860
Who else
1509
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:07.219
like it seems like this is just the tip of the iceberg.
1510
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:08.040
Yeah,
1511
00:38:08.120 --> 00:38:10.760
I think there's like diff different aspects of her case.
1512
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:11.110
Like,
1513
00:38:11.479 --> 00:38:11.719
you know,
1514
00:38:11.800 --> 00:38:12.120
I think,
1515
00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:12.590
um,
1516
00:38:12.600 --> 00:38:14.739
reporters need to start really asking.
1517
00:38:15.629 --> 00:38:17.389
Michael Morrissey in that office,
1518
00:38:17.429 --> 00:38:18.709
why they didn't charge him,
1519
00:38:18.870 --> 00:38:20.330
cause people aren't asking him that.
1520
00:38:21.139 --> 00:38:22.040
Um,
1521
00:38:22.540 --> 00:38:22.770
we,
1522
00:38:22.899 --> 00:38:25.479
we deserve as the public to know why,
1523
00:38:26.139 --> 00:38:27.080
why they
1524
00:38:27.459 --> 00:38:29.610
barely didn't investigate this case.
1525
00:38:29.939 --> 00:38:30.120
Um,
1526
00:38:30.139 --> 00:38:31.459
they barely talked to our friends.
1527
00:38:31.540 --> 00:38:32.739
I talked to a lot of our friends,
1528
00:38:32.820 --> 00:38:33.169
and um,
1529
00:38:33.179 --> 00:38:34.500
every question I ask,
1530
00:38:34.820 --> 00:38:36.090
every time I interview somebody,
1531
00:38:36.139 --> 00:38:36.800
I say,
1532
00:38:37.500 --> 00:38:38.600
Did you talk to the police?
1533
00:38:38.979 --> 00:38:39.379
Did they,
1534
00:38:39.500 --> 00:38:40.179
did they call you?
1535
00:38:40.379 --> 00:38:40.750
No.
1536
00:38:41.129 --> 00:38:43.020
There's a lot of people they didn't talk to.
1537
00:38:43.540 --> 00:38:43.770
Um,
1538
00:38:43.780 --> 00:38:47.219
it seems like a lot of people that they did talk to were people who contacted them.
1539
00:38:48.070 --> 00:38:48.320
Um,
1540
00:38:48.399 --> 00:38:49.320
there's also,
1541
00:38:49.340 --> 00:38:50.149
um,
1542
00:38:50.530 --> 00:38:51.120
the.
1543
00:38:53.489 --> 00:38:56.030
I feel like people really need to learn
1544
00:38:56.169 --> 00:38:57.989
from Sandra's case about grooming,
1545
00:38:58.129 --> 00:38:59.479
and especially parents.
1546
00:38:59.850 --> 00:39:01.550
They need to learn that,
1547
00:39:01.580 --> 00:39:02.280
um,
1548
00:39:02.689 --> 00:39:02.969
yes,
1549
00:39:03.090 --> 00:39:04.070
life is busy,
1550
00:39:04.090 --> 00:39:04.560
and,
1551
00:39:04.570 --> 00:39:05.169
um,
1552
00:39:05.209 --> 00:39:05.409
you know,
1553
00:39:05.489 --> 00:39:06.239
you have jobs,
1554
00:39:06.250 --> 00:39:06.760
and you have,
1555
00:39:06.770 --> 00:39:07.040
like,
1556
00:39:07.129 --> 00:39:07.919
you might have other kids,
1557
00:39:07.969 --> 00:39:08.679
you have to run to,
1558
00:39:08.879 --> 00:39:09.010
you know,
1559
00:39:09.120 --> 00:39:10.729
other practices and things like that.
1560
00:39:11.050 --> 00:39:11.889
But it's very,
1561
00:39:12.010 --> 00:39:12.510
very
1562
00:39:13.209 --> 00:39:15.110
important for parents to
1563
00:39:15.689 --> 00:39:18.649
pop into whatever they're leaving their child with,
1564
00:39:19.010 --> 00:39:20.689
because these were police officers.
1565
00:39:21.820 --> 00:39:23.649
Her mother should have
1566
00:39:23.810 --> 00:39:25.929
been able to trust her child
1567
00:39:26.229 --> 00:39:27.350
with these men,
1568
00:39:27.830 --> 00:39:28.409
and
1569
00:39:29.030 --> 00:39:32.030
they were the ones who should have been protecting Sandra,
1570
00:39:32.229 --> 00:39:34.850
and they're the ones who destroyed Sandra's life.
1571
00:39:35.310 --> 00:39:37.350
And parents need to understand
1572
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:40.610
just because they like the coach or the coach is nice,
1573
00:39:41.070 --> 00:39:43.389
does not mean that the coach does not
1574
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:45.110
mean harm to their child.
1575
00:39:45.350 --> 00:39:48.250
And I'm not trying to say mentors or anything.
1576
00:39:49.050 --> 00:39:49.689
are bad.
1577
00:39:49.729 --> 00:39:52.330
I'm saying there are some out there.
1578
00:39:52.689 --> 00:39:53.139
So,
1579
00:39:53.370 --> 00:39:55.229
popping up at your kid's
1580
00:39:55.729 --> 00:39:56.550
basketball,
1581
00:39:56.719 --> 00:39:57.260
uh,
1582
00:39:57.530 --> 00:39:58.250
practice,
1583
00:39:58.610 --> 00:39:58.989
or,
1584
00:39:59.209 --> 00:39:59.610
you know,
1585
00:39:59.699 --> 00:40:00.310
um,
1586
00:40:00.669 --> 00:40:00.679
If
1587
00:40:01.550 --> 00:40:02.590
the church,
1588
00:40:02.909 --> 00:40:03.300
uh,
1589
00:40:03.310 --> 00:40:04.250
Sunday school,
1590
00:40:04.629 --> 00:40:06.629
so that person knows,
1591
00:40:07.030 --> 00:40:07.350
oh,
1592
00:40:07.469 --> 00:40:08.350
this parent
1593
00:40:08.590 --> 00:40:10.850
is in this child's life,
1594
00:40:11.189 --> 00:40:13.850
and they will pop up whenever they feel like it,
1595
00:40:14.149 --> 00:40:16.550
because those are the children that they don't go for.
1596
00:40:16.870 --> 00:40:18.300
They go for the child who,
1597
00:40:18.379 --> 00:40:19.889
whose parents never show up.
1598
00:40:20.235 --> 00:40:21.455
We a little awkward or,
1599
00:40:21.564 --> 00:40:22.395
or things,
1600
00:40:22.405 --> 00:40:24.145
people that they know they can manipulate
1601
00:40:24.524 --> 00:40:27.185
and bore their way into your child's life.
1602
00:40:27.524 --> 00:40:28.604
And um
1603
00:40:28.965 --> 00:40:29.274
like I said,
1604
00:40:29.294 --> 00:40:30.165
I know life's hard,
1605
00:40:30.205 --> 00:40:30.584
but
1606
00:40:31.004 --> 00:40:31.364
please,
1607
00:40:31.375 --> 00:40:32.824
please learn from Sandra's
1608
00:40:33.165 --> 00:40:33.544
story
1609
00:40:33.925 --> 00:40:36.104
and also we want that to be Sandra's legacy,
1610
00:40:36.604 --> 00:40:37.645
not what happened to her,
1611
00:40:37.745 --> 00:40:38.044
not,
1612
00:40:38.205 --> 00:40:39.425
not all the sadness.
1613
00:40:40.084 --> 00:40:40.435
Um,
1614
00:40:40.445 --> 00:40:41.504
I think Sandra,
1615
00:40:42.044 --> 00:40:44.284
Sandra wanted to protect people and just be.
1616
00:40:44.659 --> 00:40:44.939
Um,
1617
00:40:45.020 --> 00:40:46.050
a good Samaritan,
1618
00:40:46.100 --> 00:40:47.479
and help people.
1619
00:40:47.860 --> 00:40:48.520
And
1620
00:40:48.939 --> 00:40:49.520
this
1621
00:40:49.780 --> 00:40:52.260
is a way for Sandra's legacy to be that,
1622
00:40:52.379 --> 00:40:54.000
for parents to look at Sandra's
1623
00:40:54.469 --> 00:40:55.919
story as a cautionary tale
1624
00:40:56.340 --> 00:40:57.800
and to learn from it.
1625
00:40:58.750 --> 00:40:59.750
And just my last question,
1626
00:40:59.830 --> 00:41:00.070
Miy,
1627
00:41:00.149 --> 00:41:00.260
like,
1628
00:41:00.270 --> 00:41:00.729
what's,
1629
00:41:01.270 --> 00:41:02.290
what's your background?
1630
00:41:02.389 --> 00:41:02.870
Because you did,
1631
00:41:02.949 --> 00:41:05.270
you did so much investigating into this,
1632
00:41:05.350 --> 00:41:06.070
and again,
1633
00:41:06.110 --> 00:41:08.530
it's like now everybody is seeing what,
1634
00:41:09.070 --> 00:41:10.739
what's out there with Farwell,
1635
00:41:10.750 --> 00:41:11.850
and it's like easy,
1636
00:41:11.870 --> 00:41:12.830
like for me to do it now,
1637
00:41:12.870 --> 00:41:13.459
it's like,
1638
00:41:13.750 --> 00:41:14.179
you know,
1639
00:41:14.469 --> 00:41:14.620
the,
1640
00:41:14.669 --> 00:41:15.669
the popular thing to do,
1641
00:41:15.750 --> 00:41:17.090
but you were doing this
1642
00:41:17.429 --> 00:41:18.010
when
1643
00:41:18.570 --> 00:41:21.989
No one was covering it and when you were up against
1644
00:41:22.330 --> 00:41:23.639
like the police department,
1645
00:41:23.770 --> 00:41:25.929
like that's very intimidating and scary.
1646
00:41:26.010 --> 00:41:28.750
Like you're just a regular person and you have a police department
1647
00:41:29.409 --> 00:41:29.889
and you know,
1648
00:41:29.969 --> 00:41:31.610
the state police and everything,
1649
00:41:32.010 --> 00:41:34.449
probably not wanting you to be doing what you're doing.
1650
00:41:34.570 --> 00:41:34.870
Like,
1651
00:41:35.050 --> 00:41:39.310
I guess what's your background and what gave you kind of the motivation to do that,
1652
00:41:39.770 --> 00:41:40.250
um.
1653
00:41:40.699 --> 00:41:41.169
I,
1654
00:41:41.340 --> 00:41:41.649
like I said,
1655
00:41:41.699 --> 00:41:42.939
I'm a small content creator.
1656
00:41:42.979 --> 00:41:43.770
I started my,
1657
00:41:43.899 --> 00:41:44.189
my,
1658
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:44.719
um,
1659
00:41:45.020 --> 00:41:45.560
show
1660
00:41:45.939 --> 00:41:46.370
in,
1661
00:41:46.379 --> 00:41:47.010
um,
1662
00:41:47.419 --> 00:41:48.639
during the pandemic.
1663
00:41:49.060 --> 00:41:51.020
I've always been a little into true crime for like
1664
00:41:51.020 --> 00:41:54.040
the psychological reasons of why people do what they do.
1665
00:41:54.389 --> 00:41:54.929
Um,
1666
00:41:55.020 --> 00:41:55.340
I'm just,
1667
00:41:55.419 --> 00:41:55.850
I look at it,
1668
00:41:55.899 --> 00:41:57.679
I'm just a normal girl with a big mouth,
1669
00:41:58.379 --> 00:41:58.860
and
1670
00:41:59.020 --> 00:42:00.090
I've kind of,
1671
00:42:00.340 --> 00:42:00.540
you know,
1672
00:42:00.659 --> 00:42:03.290
I kind of have my dad's personality,
1673
00:42:03.340 --> 00:42:03.800
like,
1674
00:42:04.260 --> 00:42:06.489
I'm very tenacious when it comes to things,
1675
00:42:06.500 --> 00:42:08.600
and if I feel I'm right about something,
1676
00:42:09.060 --> 00:42:09.750
and
1677
00:42:10.399 --> 00:42:12.229
I kind of don't fear a lot of people,
1678
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:13.439
even though like I fear,
1679
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:13.840
you know,
1680
00:42:13.919 --> 00:42:14.540
I know,
1681
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:16.320
I know that these guys are,
1682
00:42:16.399 --> 00:42:16.739
you know,
1683
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:17.590
men and women,
1684
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:17.760
uh,
1685
00:42:17.959 --> 00:42:18.739
they're an institution,
1686
00:42:18.919 --> 00:42:20.090
they're guns and badges,
1687
00:42:20.120 --> 00:42:21.820
and they could take my freedoms away.
1688
00:42:22.439 --> 00:42:23.219
But
1689
00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:24.899
I felt like
1690
00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:27.320
somebody needed to say something,
1691
00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:28.629
and why not me?
1692
00:42:28.959 --> 00:42:32.899
And everybody should feel something like everybody should feel like,
1693
00:42:33.250 --> 00:42:33.679
um,
1694
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:34.000
you know,
1695
00:42:34.120 --> 00:42:35.000
take it from what I did.
1696
00:42:35.100 --> 00:42:38.889
I'm just a girl and I joke and say sitting my bootleg.
1697
00:42:39.389 --> 00:42:40.169
Lazy Boy,
1698
00:42:40.550 --> 00:42:41.100
you know,
1699
00:42:41.709 --> 00:42:43.139
reading reports and,
1700
00:42:43.189 --> 00:42:43.580
and,
1701
00:42:43.909 --> 00:42:44.189
you know,
1702
00:42:44.389 --> 00:42:47.330
going on um the internet and speaking out,
1703
00:42:47.590 --> 00:42:47.870
you know,
1704
00:42:47.979 --> 00:42:48.409
um,
1705
00:42:48.909 --> 00:42:50.030
anybody can do this,
1706
00:42:50.139 --> 00:42:50.389
you know,
1707
00:42:50.469 --> 00:42:51.370
you just gotta
1708
00:42:51.989 --> 00:42:54.590
stiffen your spine and take a deep breath and,
1709
00:42:54.669 --> 00:42:55.550
and start doing it.
1710
00:42:55.590 --> 00:42:56.889
If you see a case
1711
00:42:57.159 --> 00:42:58.199
like Sandra's
1712
00:42:58.500 --> 00:42:59.149
just sitting there,
1713
00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:01.689
and there's so many cases like Sandra's out there
1714
00:43:01.909 --> 00:43:03.709
where nobody was speaking up,
1715
00:43:04.070 --> 00:43:04.229
you know,
1716
00:43:04.310 --> 00:43:05.310
you just kinda,
1717
00:43:05.590 --> 00:43:06.110
you just say,
1718
00:43:06.189 --> 00:43:06.350
I,
1719
00:43:06.429 --> 00:43:07.149
I gotta do it,
1720
00:43:07.229 --> 00:43:07.600
you know,
1721
00:43:07.750 --> 00:43:08.270
and
1722
00:43:08.659 --> 00:43:10.530
I'm glad that I did because,
1723
00:43:10.820 --> 00:43:11.459
you know,
1724
00:43:12.050 --> 00:43:12.540
Barbara,
1725
00:43:12.939 --> 00:43:14.939
we weren't the first to speak out about her case,
1726
00:43:15.020 --> 00:43:15.139
you know,
1727
00:43:15.179 --> 00:43:16.320
the Boston Globe did
1728
00:43:16.580 --> 00:43:18.780
a lot of work and um
1729
00:43:19.179 --> 00:43:20.939
there was another podcast,
1730
00:43:21.139 --> 00:43:21.899
The Case,
1731
00:43:22.340 --> 00:43:22.929
and,
1732
00:43:23.060 --> 00:43:23.209
you know,
1733
00:43:23.290 --> 00:43:24.300
her family did this,
1734
00:43:24.429 --> 00:43:24.530
the,
1735
00:43:24.739 --> 00:43:25.840
did the um
1736
00:43:26.379 --> 00:43:27.010
lawsuit.
1737
00:43:27.179 --> 00:43:27.340
I,
1738
00:43:27.419 --> 00:43:28.370
we've always looked at it,
1739
00:43:28.379 --> 00:43:29.719
it was a relay race,
1740
00:43:30.020 --> 00:43:32.860
and we were just the next ones to take up the baton and,
1741
00:43:33.219 --> 00:43:33.459
you know,
1742
00:43:33.620 --> 00:43:34.500
we were the last leg.
1743
00:43:34.610 --> 00:43:35.620
We were the kick leg where,
1744
00:43:35.659 --> 00:43:35.899
you know,
1745
00:43:36.209 --> 00:43:36.239
you,
1746
00:43:36.419 --> 00:43:36.770
in the,
1747
00:43:36.850 --> 00:43:37.989
in the race and
1748
00:43:38.590 --> 00:43:39.570
Hopefully,
1749
00:43:40.310 --> 00:43:42.050
we take first place.
1750
00:43:42.389 --> 00:43:42.629
I mean,
1751
00:43:42.709 --> 00:43:43.469
that analogy,
1752
00:43:43.590 --> 00:43:44.370
hopefully,
1753
00:43:44.629 --> 00:43:46.330
he spends the rest of his life
1754
00:43:46.550 --> 00:43:47.209
in prison,
1755
00:43:47.300 --> 00:43:48.050
and I hope
1756
00:43:48.909 --> 00:43:50.850
Some other dominoes fall
1757
00:43:51.189 --> 00:43:52.389
after it's all said and done,
1758
00:43:52.469 --> 00:43:54.209
cause there is a new district attorney
1759
00:43:54.510 --> 00:43:55.669
coming into Norfolk County.
1760
00:43:55.750 --> 00:43:57.929
It's not gonna be Michael Morrissey anymore.
1761
00:43:58.389 --> 00:43:59.469
And we're hoping that,
1762
00:43:59.629 --> 00:44:00.189
you know,
1763
00:44:00.959 --> 00:44:01.419
Um,
1764
00:44:01.610 --> 00:44:02.370
they will.
1765
00:44:03.330 --> 00:44:04.260
Continue
1766
00:44:04.780 --> 00:44:06.280
to look into her case.
1767
00:44:07.229 --> 00:44:07.350
Well,
1768
00:44:07.389 --> 00:44:08.179
I appreciate your time,
1769
00:44:08.270 --> 00:44:08.669
Mizzy,
1770
00:44:08.709 --> 00:44:09.790
and all the work you've done,
1771
00:44:09.830 --> 00:44:11.699
and I'll be in touch with you,
1772
00:44:11.750 --> 00:44:12.010
and,
1773
00:44:12.020 --> 00:44:12.489
uh,
1774
00:44:12.790 --> 00:44:15.219
I know it's probably not easy to get to the trial every day,
1775
00:44:15.350 --> 00:44:15.590
you know,
1776
00:44:15.669 --> 00:44:16.370
it's a lot,
1777
00:44:16.429 --> 00:44:16.899
um,
1778
00:44:17.090 --> 00:44:17.149
yeah,
1779
00:44:17.429 --> 00:44:17.850
so
1780
00:44:18.030 --> 00:44:20.790
thank you for all the work you do and thank you for taking the time to talk to me.
1781
00:44:21.189 --> 00:44:22.000
Thank you for having me.
1782
00:44:22.189 --> 00:44:22.689
OK,
1783
00:44:23.070 --> 00:44:23.389
bye.
1784
00:44:23.629 --> 00:44:23.780
Really,
1785
00:44:23.830 --> 00:44:27.530
really appreciate Mizzy for taking the time to talk with me and I'm just
1786
00:44:27.790 --> 00:44:29.810
always inspired by people like her who
1787
00:44:30.580 --> 00:44:32.570
Become so invested in these cases
1788
00:44:32.820 --> 00:44:33.199
that
1789
00:44:33.340 --> 00:44:35.520
are not in the spotlight and by the way
1790
00:44:35.780 --> 00:44:39.260
this case is not in the spotlight as much as it needs to be like you think about
1791
00:44:39.260 --> 00:44:41.260
some of these other big trials that like all
1792
00:44:41.260 --> 00:44:43.830
the big networks and everybody's paying attention to and
1793
00:44:44.179 --> 00:44:46.340
there has not been enough coverage of the Sandra
1794
00:44:46.340 --> 00:44:49.280
Birchmore case so I hope that there's more because
1795
00:44:49.699 --> 00:44:53.389
I think this is just the tip of the iceberg as Mizzy said
1796
00:44:53.739 --> 00:44:57.459
uh so I'll stay on it it's gonna go on for like another month at least so I'm gonna.
1797
00:44:58.310 --> 00:44:58.889
Keep a
1798
00:44:59.149 --> 00:45:00.459
track of what's going on,
1799
00:45:00.629 --> 00:45:03.290
hopefully get out there to Massachusetts for part of it,
1800
00:45:03.649 --> 00:45:04.030
um,
1801
00:45:04.149 --> 00:45:06.270
and I'll keep you guys posted with what happens next.
1802
00:45:06.350 --> 00:45:08.010
So thank you everybody for watching.
1803
00:45:08.070 --> 00:45:09.800
Thank you everybody who has um
1804
00:45:10.070 --> 00:45:12.149
clicked to subscribe to my channel,
1805
00:45:12.469 --> 00:45:12.810
uh,
1806
00:45:12.830 --> 00:45:14.229
and I'll talk to you guys later.