Breathwork Without the Woo-Woo with Jon Paul Crimi

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Welcome to Breathwork Magic, the podcast that explores the life-changing power of your breath.
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Breathwork isn't just a practice, it's a gateway to healing, transformation, and shifting to a new mindset by letting go of the past and embracing the possibilities of the present moment.
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I'm Amanda Russo, your host, a certified breathwork facilitator, level 2 Reiki practitioner, and creator of the Mando's Mindset Podcast.
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On my own journey, Breathwork has been a powerful tool for releasing what no longer serves me and shifting my perspective to step into my fullest and greatest potential.
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Each week, I'm joined by inspiring guests, breathwork facilitators, healers, and wellness enthusiasts who share how this practice has helped them and their clients heal, grow, and embrace lasting change.
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So take a deep breath.
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In and out.
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Settle in.
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And let's explore the magic of your breath together.
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The transformation starts now.
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I'm your host, Amanda Russo, aka the breathing goddess, and I am here today with John Paul Crowey.
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And he is a breathwork pioneer known for his zero filter East Coast edge and his ability to make deep transformation practical, powerful, and accessible.
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Thanks for having me, Amanda.
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I'm really excited to speak with you today, too.
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So I'd love to know how you discovered the power of our breath.
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Sure.
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God, it's such a it's an interesting story, and it depends on how deep we want to go into it.
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But I was very fortunate in 2012, I was at the Kings hockey game in Los Angeles, and I was with my good friend Matthew Perry, and we were following the Kings around that season.
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We were going to all their games and flying to the playoff games, and it was game six, and it was like they were going to win the Stanley Cup.
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And we were in this little VIP room underneath the Staples Center, and you know, Vince Vaughn was in there, and Will Farrow was in there, and Zach Efron, and in walk Tony Robbins.
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And I went to Matthew.
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I turned to Matthew and I said, Holy shit, it is Tony Robbins.
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And he goes, Really?
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We've been following the Kings all season.
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They're about to win the Stanley Cup.
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Every celebrity in LA is in here right now.
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You're excited about a gigantic man coming into the room.
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I go, Yeah, he's amazing.
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I've had his I had his tapes, I had his books, I had I've been following him since I'm like in high school.
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He goes, Well, go tell them you're a fan.
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I go, I don't want to be that guy to him that everyone does to you.
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And when I was walking back through the tunnel, Tony looked up from his phone and he goes, Hey man, how's it going?
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And I go, I never do this.
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I know everybody says that, but I'm a huge fan.
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I've been following you since high school.
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He goes, What you need, what do you do?
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We started talking, and he invited me to a seminar.
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He goes, You have you have you ever been to my seminar?
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I go, no.
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He goes, I only do three domestically a year, but I'd love it if you'd come next month as my personal VIP guest.
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And I was like, get out of here.
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And he goes, No.
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And so I went, it was life-changing.
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There were so many things that happened in that seminar that like I it literally changed the path of my life.
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And I came back from that and I was just so open-minded and loving life for the first time in a long time.
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And this girl had taken Matthew Perry to some healer guy in LA and he was telling me about it.
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And I said, dude, that sounds like nonsense.
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You know, he was breathing in these weird ways and he's doing all these weird things.
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And he goes, Listen, you're my only friend who's open-minded enough to even try it.
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So I bought you a session with him.
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I want you to experience it so we can talk about it.
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And I was like, sure.
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So I went to this healer guy and he did all these different things.
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And I had a really incredible experience.
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And I went, holy shit, like that was amazing.
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What other breathwork things out are out there?
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And a couple people, two people who didn't know each other, both said to me, You need to go try this circular breath work and you need to go try breath work.
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And I was like, What is breath work?
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You know?
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And I'm sure your audience probably already knows that breath work is an umbrella term, right?
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There's a million different kinds of breathworks out there, and there's also different branding of breath work now.
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There's so much of it.
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But this is 15 years ago.
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There was no breath work.
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There was no Wim Hof.
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There was no Vogue magazine talking about breath work.
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There was none of that shit going on.
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None of it.
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I hadn't even heard of it.
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I'd never heard the term breathwork before.
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And so I went to a class and it was five people in a room, and it was new agey and it was woo-woo and it was weird.
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And I was like, oh my God, what is this hell that I have walked into?
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Because I'm from Boston.
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Like, there's no Mercury and retrograde in Boston.
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Your life's a mess because you made it that way.
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Stop blaming it on the moon cycle.
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Right.
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So I was like, this is some bullshit.
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And but whatever.
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I'm here.
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I've paid, which is, I thought the stupidest thing I'm going to pay for a breathwork class.
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And I had an experience that I had never had in my life.
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I cried in a way that I never cried.
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I felt connected to things, the universe, trees, God, whatever the hell you want to call it.
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I had an life-changing experience.
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And I could barely even do it right.
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I couldn't even breathe into my stomach, my diaphragm, because I was a trainer.
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I've been keeping my abs tight for 20 years.
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So I was like arching my back.
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I couldn't even get it with the breath down there.
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But I had an experience that was undeniable.
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And I came home and my wife was like, oh my God, you look totally different, just like you did when you came home from that other guy.
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And just through a series of circumstances, I ended up working with that guy, that healer guy, because he wanted me to train him.
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And then I ended up working with this other breathwork guy.
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And I, and so I had these two like weird gurus.
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And I'm like, so not into this world, right?
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But the experiences I was having were incredible or undeniable.
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And at some point in this whole thing, people pretty early on, I was doing breath work every day.
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People noticed, people started saying to me, like clients, friends were like, dude, you're a different guy.
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Are you medicated?
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What's going on?
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They're like, you're happy, you're present, you're you're completely different.
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I'm like, I was embarrassed.
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I was like, I'm doing this weird breathing thing.
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And they're like, what breathing thing?
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I'm like, it's called breath work.
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You lay on the floor and you breathe in this weird way.
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And they're like, What?
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What are you talking about?
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Show me.
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And so I would be like, all right, well, let's fucking go to the thing, right?
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So I would have people lay down and I'd be like, breathe like this.
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And I'm like, keep going.
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And I, you know, I was a trainer.
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So I was like, come on, you've done harder shit in your life than lay on the floor and breathe.
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So I was pushing people, right?
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And these people were having these experiences.
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And I just was helping people.
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I would hear someone share in a 12-step recovery meeting that they were suffering with depression or grief or anger.
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And I was like, hey, I'm doing this weird breathing thing.
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Do you want to try it?
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I'll literally just do it for you for free.
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And they're like, Yeah.
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So I was doing it on people for free in recovery just to help them.
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And this woman had a studio and she goes, Hey, would you teach a class at my studio?
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And I go, I've never taught a class.
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I don't know.
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And she's like, Come on, you'd be amazing.
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And I was like, I don't even want people to know I'm doing this shit.
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And I said yes.
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And I had like 15 people come to this class.
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Matthew Perry was one of those people.
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And he goes, This is your gift.
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This is what you're supposed to do.
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I get emotional because you know, sometimes people see it before we do.
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And Matthew was such a gift, such a source of encouragement.
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And he's the one who pushed me in this direction.
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Without him, none of this is possible.
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And so this grief that comes up sometimes is actually love.
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You know, grief is love with no place to go.
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I miss him and I love him.
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And he used to send me songs for my classes.
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My classes were sold out.
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I was doing these classes.
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There were 150 people in this church in Santa Monica.
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And Matthew came to one of those classes and he's like, I told you, I told you this was your gift.
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And he used to send me songs like, try this song in your class.
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We used to, because we both love the same kind of music.
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And so it was just, you know, it was an incredible ride.
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And so sometimes, you know, we have to walk away.
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I had this Hollywood dream.
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We have to walk away from our dreams to step into our destiny.
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And that's what I did.
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I walked away from all the Hollywood stuff.
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And I said, I'm just going to help people.
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And if I'm helping them with breath work or I'm helping them with whatever, then my life is worthwhile at the end of the day.
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My life has meaning.
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My life has purpose.
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And I just kept doing the breath work.
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And the classes took off and it became like this whole big thing with celebrities and all this kind of bullshit that goes on.
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You know, it was very trendy before it became well known.
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You know, it always starts with celebrities and those kind of people.
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But it took off and it was great.
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And then people kept asking me to teach them.
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And I was like, okay.
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Finally I gave in.
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And like about I think it was 10 years ago now, I started doing teacher trainings.
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And I started in my garage.
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It's like Amazon and Apple.
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I started out of my garage.
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You know, I think I had 20 people at the first teacher training in my garage.
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And it was great.
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So I've been doing these trainings for 10 years now.
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I've certified over 3,000 people.
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I put them online.
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I was the first guy to do trainings online.
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I was the first guy that I know of to do breath work, to do circular breath work online because I knew it would work.
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And people pushed back against it.
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Like some of the old school breath work teachers were like, you can't teach this online.
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I was like, why not?
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They're like, I don't think it's safe.
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I'm like, it's safer than in person.
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It's all audio once you lay down and start breathing, anyways.
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After the demonstration, you close your eyes.
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It's all audio.
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They're going to be in their safe space.
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They're going to be at home.
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They don't have to drive afterwards.
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So that makes it safer, right?
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They they can stop.
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They don't have to.
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I knew a lot of people would feel safer at home because they didn't want to cry next to a stranger, especially certain guys or people that had they could they would be in a safer space and they could let go of even more emotions.
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So I had this vision of like doing this online.
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And I had some ideas around it.
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And I just put it to work.
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So I started doing this online.
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God, I think it was eight years ago.
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And so when COVID happened, I was already there online.
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And all those teachers that pushed back against me, they all went online.
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And I was like, wait, I thought you couldn't do this online.
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Oh, I guess you can do it online now.
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That's the only way you can make money.
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So I put my teacher trainings online, I think probably seven or eight years ago as well.
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And I've been certifying people online for the last seven, eight years, you know, people all over the world, which is incredible.
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There are people in other countries doing this in other languages, in Germany and Switzerland and Portugal, all over.
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It's awesome.
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I just love it.
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Do you only do online trainings?
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Or do you do an all-I do it in person?
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I don't do as many in person as I used to do.
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Now I do it about twice a year.
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And I've been keeping them, I was doing them all over the place.
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Like I want to be here for my kids.
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I don't want to be the biggest breathwork teacher in the world at the expense of my kids not knowing who I am.
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And that was starting to happen pre-COVID.
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Like I had so many events set up.
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I had six trainings sold out.
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I had an event in a retreat in Iceland sold out.
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I was doing a Steve Harvey's event in Georgia, and I mean in DC and this other event in Georgia.
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And it all got wiped off the board during COVID.
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And I was devastated, right?
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Because I wanted to do all those things, and there was a lot of money I had to refund back and a lot of things.
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And then Tom Brady quit the Patriots.
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And that broke me, Amanda.
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That was the final straw.
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I was like, really, Tommy?
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Now you're going to quit the Patriots?
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Like, you what?
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This is the worst time.
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Like I literally had a meltdown.
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Like I had to refund back hundreds of thousands of dollars, but I had a meltdown when Tommy quit the Patriots.
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And then I go, Well, what the, you know, this is what I do.
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I'm like, okay, I'm going to lay down and do some fucking breath work now.
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Because people are shocked that I have meltdowns sometimes.
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I'm a human being having a human experience.
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That was a lot piled on me at once.
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I was refunding tickets for two weeks straight to four different sold-out classes, hundreds of tickets.
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And it took 18 steps to refund one ticket on Eventbrite.
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And I kept calling Eventbrite, trying to get them to help me do it all at once.
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And they're like, nope, got to do it that way.
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I'm like, there's no way.
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And so I was paying an assistant$25 an hour to refund tickets for weeks.
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It was crazy.
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So shit happens that it's going to stress me out.
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I'm a human being.
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I'm not a guru.
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I'm not an enlightened Dalai Lama.
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I'm a human being having a human experience.
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So I had a fucking meltdown when Tommy quit the Patriots and I laid down and I did breath work because that is what I do.
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It works.
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And I quickly got to the place of like, oh, I'm sad.
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I'm angry about all this stuff.
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But underneath that anger, sadness is the mask that anger wears.
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I'm really sad that I'm not going to get to go to Iceland.
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I'm sad I'm not going to get to do Steve Harvey's event in DC.
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I'm sad that I'm not going to get to see Tom Brady score touchdowns.
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So I got to the sadness and I allowed the sadness to be felt in the breath work.
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And then I got past the sadness.
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And where I got to was hey, my kids are never going to be this young again.
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I'm never going to have this time back again with my kids at these ages.
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Can I just be grateful that I get to be home with my kids?
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And guess what?
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I'm online.
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I've been doing this online for years.
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I'm all set up, you know.
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And I started my class online took off, like it was small until COVID, and then it was big.
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And then I got to sell all my courses online, all my teacher trainings online.
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And it was great.
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I made a lot of money and did really well.
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And people did love the breath work.
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And I got to spend all this time with my kids.
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And it was it was worth it.
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I got that.
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And they'll remember that even when they are older.
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Yeah, I remember it.
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So I'm grateful.
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Like I'm I'm being the dad that I want to be.
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Am I a perfect dad?
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No.
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Nobody is.
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But I think I put a lot of time and energy and effort and love into it.
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And I think that's what matters.
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Yeah, it absolutely is.
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You know, there may have been things you were missing, but like you said, like certain time periods of their lives, you're never gonna get again.
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Yeah.
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I think I have like 12 trips scheduled.
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Big ones.
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So they all got wiped out, and I got to be home.
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And then after six months of being home, I was like, somebody get me on a plane.
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And someone said, Hey, will you come do breath work for this private birthday party for some well-to-do family in in Mexico at this resort, and we'll pay you this, and you can stay at the resort for five days.
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And I was like, Yes, get me on the plane.
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And I did that, and that was fun.
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And so, you know, the universe takes care of you if you're in alignment with doing the right things.
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The universe takes care of you if you're in alignment with doing the right things.
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Have you always believed that?
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No, I can't even believe I said it.
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That's so woo-woo for me to say.
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I can't I'm embarrassed for myself right now for saying it.
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But it's it's been my experience.
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Like for me, it has to be like proven to me undeniably for me to go, okay, that's true.
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When I do that, that happens.
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Like it's like breath work.
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Like I thought breath work was nonsense, and I went and it was undeniable, it was incredible.
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And so, okay, you know, and I went down this rabbit hole of doing all these different things after breath work because I was like, what else is out there?
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I did a ton of weird shit.
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And you know, what do you consider weird shit?
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Oh my god, I can't hear it.
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It's like, well, I don't even want to go down the rabbit hole of it.
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But you know, people think I'm weird, is you know, especially depending on the group.
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Like if I I do Brazilian jujitsu, you know, the martial art where you choke people, joint locks, strangle people, the UFC kind of thing.
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And they all think I'm weird there because I teach breath work, right?
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But I I also I have a sensory deprivation tank in my house, the float tank.
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Do you know what that is?
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Yeah.
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I have been doing it for like 20 something years.
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Like I've been doing it a long time.
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This girl took me there on a date when I was 31, and it was pretty life-changing.
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Well, we went to Six Flags and it was closed, and I fucking lost it.
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Like Clark Griswold in Wally World, where he punches the moose in the face.
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Like, that was me.
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Like, that literally happened, and it was my birthday.
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And so she's like, Do you want to go try this like float thing?
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It's supposed, it's supposed to be like trippy.
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I was like, Yes, let's go.
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And we went and the guy was like, Oh, it's your birthday.
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I don't have anyone after you.
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Go ahead, stay in as long as you want.
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So I went in and I had an experience in there.
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I went back through my life and I forgave people who wronged me.
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And I came out and the girl and that I was on the date with and the guy were laughing.
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And I was like, What's so funny?
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And they're like, he's like, You're a different kind of human, huh?
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I go, What do you mean?
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He goes, I've never seen anyone do five hours their first time in the float tank.
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It's like, it's I I most people can't even do five hours.
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I was like, Five hours, really.
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So I started going there like a couple times a week, and it felt so good on my body because I was so tense, and that tank relaxes all the muscles, and the Ebsin salt takes out the inflammation out of your body, and I would come out of there and like I would be so relaxed, but my senses would be heightened looking around, and it was just incredible.
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So, my dream was to one day own my own float tank so I wouldn't have to share a float tank with strangers and float in other people's stuff.
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And this company came out with one on Kickstarter 13 years ago, and I got it.
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And then I ended up doing ads for them for a while, and it's pretty amazing.
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Floating is cool.
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Like, here's the thing here's what I tell people about floating.
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Breath work is hard, it requires effort and like it's uncomfortable at first, and you have to push through and you have to force yourself to keep doing it, right?
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Float cold plunge is hard.
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People hate the cold, right?
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I do cold plunge, right?
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People are like, I hate the cold.
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I'm like, yeah, we all hate the cold, buddy.
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Nobody likes the fucking cold, so right, it's it's a given.
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Like you never get used to it, it always sucks.
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Nobody likes the cold.
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So cold plunge is hard.
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The gym is hard, jujitsu is hard.
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It's all fucking hard.
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The flow tank, it's not hard, it's not hard at all.
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You just go in there and you lay down and you let go.
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Maybe for some people who can't let go, it's hard, but it's there's no effort required.
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The effort is in just like doing nothing and letting go.
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And so the benefits that you get for something that requires such little or no effort, it's pretty amazing.
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But most people don't have a float tank in their house.
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Most people are like, they freak out.
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They're like, You have a float tank in your house?
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I'm like, You have a hot tub.
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I use my float tank more than you use your hot tub, and the benefits are much greater.
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Transitioning back, I had I'm curious what Brath Woke has helped you with the most.
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Oh fuck.
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There's so many things.
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Everything.
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It's changed every area of my life.
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Not everything.
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You can't say everything.
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Well, okay.
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It's changed my relationship to my wife, it's changed my relationship to myself, it's changed my relationship to my children.
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I was doing it before my children, so but it's changed uh my career.
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I became a career, so it changed the path of my career, my life by becoming a breathwork teacher and teaching other people breath work.
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It's given me purpose and fulfillment in a way that I didn't know was possible.
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But the breath work for me, I think you're really asking about me myself, like inside of me.
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I I would say the biggest thing, and it's so corny, it's so trite.
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I'm cringing that I'm about to say it, which is the self love aspect of it.
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You know, it's like I was so hard on myself when I make a mistake and beating myself up all the time.
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And I used to joke like if somebody treated me the way that I treated myself, I'd Go to their house with a bat and kick their ass, you know.
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But I was so hard on myself.
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And I saw my daughter when she was two starting to be hard on herself.
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And I was like, oh, that's that's hard to watch.
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That hurts my heart.
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And I went, well, I can't just tell her not to be hard on herself.
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I have to model that for her.
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I have to show her what that looks like.
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And I had a realization which was, I don't know why.
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For some reason, I thought I was gonna stop making mistakes.
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I don't know why I thought that.
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I'm never gonna get to a place in my life where I don't make mistakes.
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That's not gonna happen.
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I still fucking make mistakes all the time.
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So if that's my truth, if I'm still gonna make mistakes, why am I still beating myself up for my mistakes?
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Can I just find a little compassion, a little love for myself when I make those mistakes?
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Can I just stop being so hard on myself when I make those mistakes?
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And that's been the biggest shift, I think, in breath work.
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And if I can be more compassionate, more loving to myself when I make mistakes, I can be more compassionate, more loving to other people.
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Most people who are really hard on other people are so hard on themselves.
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They expect all this out of themselves, so they expect all that out of you too.
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Now listen, it doesn't mean I don't get annoyed.
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People are annoying.
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Like, you know, people show up late, they do stupid shit, they're selfish, they can't fucking pull into a roundabout.
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I mean, I could go on forever about the annoying shit that people do.
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But I just, you know, I have to try to recognize it.
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People are doing the best they can where they are, and sometimes I'm like, really, that's your best.
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That's your best, that's your fucking best.
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Am I not what you expected?
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No, you are what I expected.
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Oh, good.
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Most people are shocked by my frankness as a breathwork teacher.
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As a fellow East Coaster, as a fellow mass hole, like it doesn't know, it don't surprise me.
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Yeah, that's true.
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Nobody from Mass was doing this work when I started doing it.
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I had this epiphany in one of my early breathwork sessions.
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I was like, wait, why doesn't everybody know about this?
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And nobody knew about it.
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And I was like, why doesn't everybody know about this?
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And I was like, oh, it's been kept in these like new age woo-woo circles.
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And people want to do things with people who are like them, people that they identify with and relate to.
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I go, fuck, if somebody did this in a way that was like Tony Robbins, because I had just done the Tony Robbins thing.
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If somebody did this East Coast, edgy, funny, brought in some science, brought in some cool music, added some scream, uh scream at the end, added these heart moments, they'd be fucking they'd have 200 people in the room, 300 people, maybe a thousand.
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It took time because the early breathwork classes I went to had five people.
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I in my classes were the biggest classes I ever saw.
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And I got to do a class last year in Switzerland for 900 people.
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I think it's the largest in-person breathwork class ever done.
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And then ironically, full circle, I got to do a class in a Tony Robbins event for 3,000 people online for his life mastery.
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And that was a full circle moment.
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They came to me and they were like, Hey, we want to have you do, you know, breath work and the Tony Robbins Life Mastery.
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And we've heard amazing things about you.
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I was like, Well, do you know my Tony Robbins story?
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Like, I'm doing this as a result of meeting Tony.
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Like, and they're like, Really?
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I'm like, yeah, let me tell you the story.
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And so I got to like do a Tony a class for Tony Robbins, which was awesome.
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It was pretty special for me.
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I bet.
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Is there anyone you would not recommend breath work for?
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Oh God, I didn't want to go down this road.
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But like I I've seen if you have certain mental health conditions, mental illness conditions, and you're not medicated, it can go pretty sideways.
00:26:28.059 --> 00:26:34.940
Like schizophrenia, bipolar, definitely not recommended this type of breath work because that can put them in a cycle.
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And if you know, if you're not medicated on bipolar schizophrenia, I think it's really bad.
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Brain aneurysm, I don't think that's recommended either because it can constrict the blood vessels.
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There are a whole list of contraindications out there.
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And with that said, I've had every contraindication in a class and a training over the last 15 years.
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I kind of feel like those contraindications, that list comes from holotropic.
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And it's holotropic is a lot more intense, and they're doing it for three hours straight.
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So I don't feel like everything on that list applies to the type of breath work I do.
00:27:14.059 --> 00:27:16.700
But unfortunately, we live in America.
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So people love to sue America, and you have to have, you have to protect yourself in America because people want to sue you.
00:27:26.379 --> 00:27:33.099
So that's why that contraindication list is there, and liability waiver and insurance and all the things, right?
00:27:33.339 --> 00:27:34.539
But I've had them all.
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I've had all the contraindications.
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My feeling is this if somebody's worried about it, freaked out about it, and they email me ahead of time, I tell them not to come.
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If they show up and do it and I don't know, then it's always fine.
00:27:47.980 --> 00:27:51.740
It's kind of like when I was young, I used to do psychedelics.
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You know, it's like if you think you're gonna have a bad trip, you're gonna have a bad trip.
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Okay.
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You believe that?
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If you're worried about breath work and you're scared and whatever, I don't recommend it.
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But if you're like, yeah, I have this, but I think I'm gonna be fine, it's fine.
00:28:13.419 --> 00:28:21.099
If you email me and ask me if it's okay for a pregnant woman to do it, I'm gonna say, I don't answer these kind of questions, you know, because I'm not a doctor.
00:28:21.419 --> 00:28:23.259
Have I had pregnant women in my classes?
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Yes, every class.
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Every class, someone woman raises her hand, the third song in, and I come over and I'm like, Yes, and she's like, Is this okay to do when you're pregnant?
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I'm like, I guess you didn't read the thing, but just take your time, take breaks.
00:28:42.139 --> 00:28:45.419
Take your time, take breaks, yeah.
00:28:45.659 --> 00:28:49.740
Like, you know, you were here already, you're three songs in.
00:28:50.779 --> 00:28:51.419
Yeah.
00:28:51.899 --> 00:28:55.019
I mean, what do they teach you in Lama's class?
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Breathing, right?
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Some sort of breathing.
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I mean, there are things that can happen, and unfortunately, you know, miscarriage is a real thing.
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So I don't want to take that chance.
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I don't want to take a liability.
00:29:09.740 --> 00:29:12.779
So if someone's concerned about it, I tell them not to come.
00:29:13.099 --> 00:29:18.059
But if they come and they do breath work, I've had a pregnant woman in every training I've done.
00:29:19.740 --> 00:29:20.299
Yeah.
00:29:20.700 --> 00:29:24.059
And we do about 10 breathwork sessions in the training.
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Knock on wood, it's it's been fine.
00:29:27.819 --> 00:29:34.299
But you know, when miscarriage happens, people look for the place-to-place blame.
00:29:36.059 --> 00:29:42.059
So every every con everything in the world, the contraindication is pregnancy.
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It is.
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Nobody wants to take the blame for that.
00:29:48.859 --> 00:29:49.579
That's true.
00:29:50.059 --> 00:29:59.259
Now, on the other side of that, is there any certain types of people that you specifically think should practice breath work?
00:29:59.579 --> 00:30:01.180
Obviously, it's good for everybody.
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I know that.
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But like I get the question.
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Yes, alcoholics, addicts, a thousand percent.
00:30:08.460 --> 00:30:13.180
They should all be doing breath work because it's all trauma.
00:30:13.419 --> 00:30:19.980
Underneath all that addiction and alcoholism is trauma, and breath work is the best thing I've ever, the tool I've ever found for trauma.
00:30:20.220 --> 00:30:22.460
Also, it will curb cravings.
00:30:22.619 --> 00:30:27.019
Like I've had people go, like, I'm gonna fucking use, I'm gonna drink, you know, I'm like, lay down, let's do some breath work.
00:30:27.180 --> 00:30:28.619
And they do it and they're like, I'm fine.
00:30:28.779 --> 00:30:29.419
I feel great.
00:30:29.579 --> 00:30:30.700
Thank you for taking me through that.
00:30:30.779 --> 00:30:33.180
That was when I used to be a sober coach, sober companion.
00:30:33.339 --> 00:30:39.339
But so yeah, I think they are they should all be doing it, and they are all doing it now.
00:30:39.419 --> 00:30:47.980
Like all these rehabs are doing breath work, all these sober livings are doing breath work because they need tools that work in recovery, and that tool works in recovery.
00:30:48.220 --> 00:30:49.740
So those people should do it.
00:30:49.980 --> 00:30:56.299
People with, you know, all like food addiction, porn addiction, all the addictions, all the stuff, right?
00:30:56.460 --> 00:31:11.579
Then I would say people with depression, with anxiety, sometimes it can feel it can mimic anxiety for some people at the beginning, but then they get past that, hopefully, and then they get present, you know, because depression is about being stuck in the past, right?
00:31:11.740 --> 00:31:14.700
And anxiety is about worrying about everything in the future.
00:31:14.859 --> 00:31:18.700
And what breath work does is it puts you right here at this moment now, right?
00:31:18.940 --> 00:31:19.819
Makes you present.
00:31:19.980 --> 00:31:23.659
So it helps with both depression and anxiety really well.
00:31:23.899 --> 00:31:25.579
So those kind of people.
00:31:27.579 --> 00:31:28.299
Here's what happens.
00:31:28.379 --> 00:31:29.339
This is funny.
00:31:29.579 --> 00:31:35.019
I most of my class, I'd say 70% women, 30% guys.
00:31:35.180 --> 00:31:44.220
A woman will come up to me after my class and go, My husband would never do this, but I'm gonna make him do this with you because you're a guy guy, and I think he'll like listen to you and get it.
00:31:44.379 --> 00:31:50.539
So, like the next class, I see the husband out in the audience, and he's like sitting there, like, she dragged me to this shit.
00:31:50.700 --> 00:31:54.299
And I'm saying all these things, and he's just rolling his eyes, like, that's not gonna happen.
00:31:54.460 --> 00:31:56.059
That's not gonna happen, right?
00:31:56.299 --> 00:31:58.460
And then afterwards, I'm like, This is my guy.
00:31:58.539 --> 00:32:02.059
I'm gonna crack this dude open, like he's fucked, he doesn't know what's coming.
00:32:02.220 --> 00:32:03.899
And I I get him, right?
00:32:04.059 --> 00:32:06.539
And yes, I got afterwards.
00:32:06.619 --> 00:32:09.740
He comes up to me and he's like, Hey man, that was amazing.
00:32:09.819 --> 00:32:11.099
I I thought this was stupid.
00:32:11.259 --> 00:32:13.899
And my wife told me all this stuff, and that was life-changing.
00:32:13.980 --> 00:32:14.779
Can I give you a hug?
00:32:14.859 --> 00:32:15.500
And I'm like, sure.
00:32:15.579 --> 00:32:18.299
And I give him a hug and he starts like crying on me in the lobby.
00:32:18.460 --> 00:32:19.339
And I'm like, yes.
00:32:19.500 --> 00:32:24.379
And it's like, this is like a SWAT team captain or like a fire station captain.
00:32:24.539 --> 00:32:28.379
This is like the guy guy of the guys, you know, and the alpha male.
00:32:28.460 --> 00:32:37.500
And I'm like, yes, those those guys really need this shit because those guys are pushing all the stuff down that they've seen and done, and they're not talking to anybody.
00:32:37.579 --> 00:32:40.859
They don't want to go to a therapist, they don't want to talk to their buddies about it.
00:32:41.099 --> 00:32:49.740
And so I found that the more you like push it down and hold it in and don't talk to anybody, kind of the bigger the opening, the bigger the result from the breath work.
00:32:50.940 --> 00:32:55.899
You don't have to believe it's gonna work, you just have to do it, you just have to get them to breathe.
00:32:56.779 --> 00:32:59.339
So I love cracking open dudes like that.
00:32:59.419 --> 00:33:04.700
Like, those are my people, East Coasters, you know, angry tough guys.
00:33:04.779 --> 00:33:06.139
Please come to my class.
00:33:06.220 --> 00:33:07.419
Like, I love it.
00:33:08.700 --> 00:33:12.299
I love that it can do so much without you having to say anything.
00:33:13.099 --> 00:33:13.740
Yeah.
00:33:14.299 --> 00:33:20.059
You know, you don't have to relive any of it, you know.
00:33:20.299 --> 00:33:34.779
I I have a a friend who does this work as well, and she primarily works with women who have been sexually assaulted, and they don't have to re-experience or relive that awful experience.
00:33:35.099 --> 00:33:47.180
Yeah, I love breath work online for that, you know, like that was one of the things I was like, hey, there's not gonna be any weird healer guy in the room touching your hips, you know, online.
00:33:47.579 --> 00:33:53.899
So you can let go of that sexual trauma because a lot of people doing breath work today are very touchy-feely.
00:33:55.659 --> 00:33:58.299
And if someone has sexual trauma, you don't know.
00:33:58.460 --> 00:34:00.619
I uh 200, 300 people in the class.
00:34:00.700 --> 00:34:03.339
I don't know who has sexual trauma and who doesn't, right?
00:34:03.819 --> 00:34:09.820
And so they're much better off not being touched because they're gonna feel safer, right?
00:34:10.619 --> 00:34:11.820
So that's a big thing.
00:34:11.980 --> 00:34:23.740
Like it's great online, and and like yeah, I just think I think that's really important for those people to heal.
00:34:24.539 --> 00:34:36.140
And I I'm not a big believer in, you know, so there's people out there saying, oh, you can re-traumatize someone through breath work.
00:34:36.300 --> 00:34:37.980
And I don't think that's true.
00:34:38.140 --> 00:34:39.260
I really don't.
00:34:39.500 --> 00:34:41.820
And there are people that are gonna argue with me on that.
00:34:41.980 --> 00:34:45.260
I think the breath work can bring up the trauma for people, right?
00:34:45.420 --> 00:34:49.420
And it's telling you, it's showing you that it needs to be worked on, it needs to be healed.
00:34:49.580 --> 00:34:51.900
I don't think it's re-traumatizing them.
00:34:51.980 --> 00:34:55.180
I think it's just expressing it, it's bringing it up, it's showing that it needs to be healed.
00:34:55.340 --> 00:34:59.900
If it wasn't coming up, if it didn't need to be healed, it wouldn't be coming up.
00:35:00.300 --> 00:35:03.980
Now, could you re-traumatize someone if you did something inappropriately?
00:35:04.140 --> 00:35:05.260
Yes, of course.
00:35:05.500 --> 00:35:06.140
Yeah.
00:35:06.940 --> 00:35:10.220
But I don't think breath work is re-traumatizing people.
00:35:10.300 --> 00:35:18.460
I think that is a tool that certain people out there that are trying to get people into their trainings are saying and using.
00:35:18.620 --> 00:35:20.620
It's a fear tactic.
00:35:21.580 --> 00:35:26.940
I I see in this, I saw someone's ad the other day, breath work is hurting people.
00:35:27.260 --> 00:35:29.820
And then, you know, that like that was the big thing.
00:35:29.900 --> 00:35:31.420
And it was like, it's a scare tactic.
00:35:31.580 --> 00:35:36.539
Like, if you don't train with me, then you can hurt somebody because other people don't know what they're doing.
00:35:36.700 --> 00:35:41.420
And yes, there are people who are doing trainings that shouldn't be doing trainings that don't know what they're doing 100%.
00:35:42.220 --> 00:35:44.860
But it's also a scare tactic.
00:35:45.500 --> 00:35:55.900
I really I think turned over the Apple cart when I came in because I I got rid of all the new agey woo-woo language, and I was like, Yeah, let we don't need to say that.
00:35:56.140 --> 00:36:03.500
There was like all this language that was like, so people didn't feel like they knew what they didn't understand what was going on.
00:36:04.300 --> 00:36:12.700
And I just started talking in normal language, and I took all that shit away and I was like, Yeah, okay.
00:36:12.860 --> 00:36:15.500
And I would ask teachers, like, what causes the tetany?
00:36:15.820 --> 00:36:20.539
And they go, Oh, it's the moon, it's the sun, it's the uh you're detoxing up weed.
00:36:20.620 --> 00:36:22.060
I'm like, I haven't smoked weed in 20 years.
00:36:22.220 --> 00:36:26.539
Like, no, it's not, like, you know, and I had a theory, for example.
00:36:26.780 --> 00:36:30.620
I was doing this class and it was sold out twice a week.
00:36:30.860 --> 00:36:38.300
And I had this theory that I saw people who had the worst tetany were pushing the exhale and they had the loudest exhale.
00:36:38.620 --> 00:36:40.860
So I said, there's something with them, right?
00:36:40.940 --> 00:36:43.740
They're going fast, they're pushing the exhale, they have the loudest exhale.
00:36:43.820 --> 00:36:56.140
So I brought in this woman, Tanya Bentley, who is a Harvard health and science researcher, and we looked at it and she discovered, yeah, when you push the exhale, you're not really in, you're not getting as much oxygen.
00:36:56.300 --> 00:37:02.860
And the oxygen binds to CO like CO2 so the muscles can absorb it, right?
00:37:03.420 --> 00:37:05.260
And so it's science.
00:37:06.460 --> 00:37:08.940
It's not, you know, the moon or whatever.
00:37:09.100 --> 00:37:10.539
It's there's science there.
00:37:10.700 --> 00:37:14.539
So that's why I started telling people relax the exhale, relax the exhale.
00:37:14.620 --> 00:37:23.900
And if someone got too tweaked out and it was too uncomfortable, like they can get a cramp, I would say, close your mouth, breathe through your nose, and pause.
00:37:25.340 --> 00:37:28.380
So I was the first one that I know of that started doing that.
00:37:28.460 --> 00:37:31.180
And I did it because I was doing it online and I wasn't in the room with people.
00:37:31.260 --> 00:37:39.019
So I started telling people like, if at any time it gets too uncomfortable, close your mouth, breathe through your nose, pause, slow it down, and that will pull it back.
00:37:39.260 --> 00:37:44.220
You know, when you do a breath hold, that retains the CO2.
00:37:44.380 --> 00:37:47.660
When you're doing circular breath work, you're throwing off the CO2.
00:37:47.740 --> 00:37:49.580
So the breath hold will bring it back.
00:37:49.740 --> 00:37:51.660
However, I want to make this caveat.
00:37:51.820 --> 00:37:59.420
When you do, okay, so like if you do Wim Hof, if you do 30 breaths in and out and then you hold, your brain starts going, take a breath, Amanda, take a breath.
00:37:59.500 --> 00:38:01.340
Like it starts pushing you to take a breath.
00:38:01.580 --> 00:38:08.220
But when you do 30 minutes or more of circular breath work, your brain doesn't send that signal during the breath hold.
00:38:08.380 --> 00:38:17.580
So there are stories of people out there, I've never had it, of people having a seizure or passing out because the brain didn't send the message to start breathing again.
00:38:17.740 --> 00:38:26.620
So I'm very conscious, like, yes, close your mouth, breathe through your nose, pause, but don't do any long Wim Hof breath holds combined with this technique.
00:38:26.860 --> 00:38:33.500
With that said, I'm actually about to do an advanced class where we're doing breath holds with circular breath work.
00:38:33.740 --> 00:38:34.700
But I'm guiding you.
00:38:34.780 --> 00:38:36.539
I'm like, hold the breath, let it out.
00:38:36.620 --> 00:38:44.620
You know, I'm keeping it very guided and instructed and tight because there is some benefit there.
00:38:44.860 --> 00:38:48.700
So I'm you know contradicting myself a little bit.
00:38:50.060 --> 00:38:51.580
I get what you're saying.
00:38:51.900 --> 00:38:52.460
Good.
00:38:52.860 --> 00:38:55.820
Yeah, I want to transition a chat.
00:38:56.140 --> 00:38:59.740
You mentioned quickly holotropic breath work.
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I'm curious what experience you have doing that type of breath work.
00:39:07.019 --> 00:39:08.620
Uh not a ton.
00:39:08.780 --> 00:39:15.420
I've done it like when I started breath work, you know, all the information out there was just holotropic.
00:39:15.500 --> 00:39:16.860
Like I couldn't find anything else.
00:39:17.019 --> 00:39:18.940
They've published the most studies.
00:39:19.180 --> 00:39:22.140
And so that was all I could find 15 years ago.
00:39:22.300 --> 00:39:23.900
And I think holotropic's great.
00:39:23.980 --> 00:39:26.460
I think Stan Groff has done incredible work.
00:39:26.620 --> 00:39:39.100
I think, you know, it's real holotropic is an eight-hour workshop where you breathe for like three hours with someone else in the workshop who's may have never done it before, and they're holding the space for you.
00:39:39.180 --> 00:39:44.539
And then you swap spaces and they breathe for three hours or whatever, and then you guys do mandalas, right?
00:39:44.700 --> 00:39:46.780
It's like who's got time for that?
00:39:47.260 --> 00:39:48.860
Ain't nobody got time for that.
00:39:49.019 --> 00:39:55.820
Ain't nobody got time to breathe for you know three hours and watch someone else breathe for three hours and do mandalas.
00:39:56.620 --> 00:40:00.220
Like, I created a class that I want to take.
00:40:00.460 --> 00:40:05.580
My class is the class that I want to take, where somebody's pushing me because the beginning of breath work is hard.
00:40:05.660 --> 00:40:09.660
And I want somebody to go, come on, John Paul, you've done harder shit in your life than lay on the floor and breathe.
00:40:09.820 --> 00:40:10.860
I want somebody to push me.
00:40:10.940 --> 00:40:12.700
I need somebody to push me, right?
00:40:12.860 --> 00:40:17.580
When I started, nobody was like, people were like, keep breathing, you're doing great.
00:40:17.820 --> 00:40:20.780
And then they wouldn't say anything for 10 minutes, right?
00:40:21.019 --> 00:40:22.300
Nobody was saying anything.
00:40:22.460 --> 00:40:24.940
Yeah, keep breathing, and the music was whatever.
00:40:25.019 --> 00:40:33.420
And I was like, no, I'm gonna put on Fleetwood Mac and Coldplay and the Who and whatever, and I'm gonna be like, Come on, you you can do this shit, let's go.
00:40:33.580 --> 00:40:35.500
You're not delicate, you're powerful.
00:40:35.660 --> 00:40:39.900
And so I do the class that I wanted to take that nobody was doing.
00:40:40.140 --> 00:40:45.500
I took an old technique and I repackaged the whole thing.
00:40:47.420 --> 00:40:54.220
And now there's a lot of people doing my class, just like it, or similar, or an offshoot of it.
00:40:55.900 --> 00:40:58.780
And if they trained with me, awesome.
00:41:00.060 --> 00:41:00.940
That's fair.
00:41:01.100 --> 00:41:04.620
I I only have uh one experience with holotropic.
00:41:04.860 --> 00:41:11.740
It's that I did that before I did conscious connected breath work, and it was almost too intense for me.
00:41:12.460 --> 00:41:18.539
It's too intense for most people, and that's why they and it's like that's why they those contraindications exist.
00:41:19.180 --> 00:41:25.019
Because you can see some of those things coming up with that kind of intensity and that length of breathing, like that.
00:41:26.300 --> 00:41:27.260
You can see that.
00:41:27.500 --> 00:41:33.500
Whereas my class is 30 minutes, a lot of those contraindications are never going to come into play.
00:41:34.860 --> 00:41:40.620
Also, holotropic is one breath in and out, it's a lot more harder and more intense, right?
00:41:40.700 --> 00:41:44.780
Whereas two breaths in and one breath out, it's a little more relaxed.
00:41:45.180 --> 00:41:49.500
And there's some grounding that happens a little bit more in that technique.
00:41:51.260 --> 00:41:56.140
Now you've been doing this work a long, a long, long time.
00:41:56.700 --> 00:42:04.620
So I I'm curious what made you take the plunge into doing this as a courier?
00:42:05.019 --> 00:42:08.380
Because you were doing something very different before.
00:42:09.180 --> 00:42:11.900
It's funny because I didn't really want to do it.
00:42:12.140 --> 00:42:16.780
And I think now I would have done things differently had I known it was going to become my career.
00:42:16.940 --> 00:42:19.260
And I don't think I would have named it Breathe with JP.
00:42:19.500 --> 00:42:25.100
Breathe with JP was just, I was doing workout with JP, and then I was like, well, I'll just call it Breathe with JP.
00:42:25.260 --> 00:42:26.539
That was like a throwaway.
00:42:26.700 --> 00:42:29.420
I would have done, you know, a brand or whatever.
00:42:29.900 --> 00:42:33.340
People just kept asking me, it just became undeniable.
00:42:33.420 --> 00:42:36.700
And one of my teachers was like, bro, this is a calling.
00:42:36.780 --> 00:42:38.060
This is what a calling looks like.
00:42:38.220 --> 00:42:43.820
People are literally calling you and asking you to do breath work, and it just kept happening.
00:42:43.900 --> 00:42:47.340
And I was just like, okay, you know, and I had another business too.
00:42:47.420 --> 00:42:50.460
I had a sober companion company that was very successful.
00:42:50.620 --> 00:42:54.220
But like the breathwork thing, just I felt purposeful.
00:42:54.460 --> 00:42:57.340
I felt fulfilled when I would do a class.
00:42:57.980 --> 00:43:02.940
I felt amazing, uplifted, like on air when I would do a training.
00:43:03.180 --> 00:43:04.860
And so it just felt good.
00:43:04.940 --> 00:43:07.340
It felt like I was doing the right thing.
00:43:07.660 --> 00:43:09.100
Everything made sense.
00:43:09.260 --> 00:43:20.060
Everything I did in my life all went into making me a really good breathwork teacher and also making me a really good breathwork teacher trainer, like to create other teachers.
00:43:21.100 --> 00:43:30.700
I wrote this amazing syllabus, and I have people do a script in my training, and I have all the tools to show them how to learn that script and get really good at it and comfortable with it.
00:43:30.860 --> 00:43:33.500
Because I was an actor, I studied method acting, you know.
00:43:33.580 --> 00:43:37.340
I was a screenwriter for 10 years, and so I know how to write.
00:43:37.580 --> 00:43:39.580
And I was a trainer, you know.
00:43:39.740 --> 00:43:51.019
I've got up and pitched movies to like big, you know, producers, and so I find and get in front of the room and make jokes and lighten it up and understand like we're talking about generational trauma.
00:43:51.180 --> 00:43:54.140
So let me lighten it up a little bit right here with a joke.
00:43:54.380 --> 00:43:56.700
Like it all has a purpose.
00:43:58.140 --> 00:43:58.780
Yeah.
00:43:59.820 --> 00:44:01.100
That makes sense.
00:44:01.660 --> 00:44:08.620
Whole presentation I do at the beginning that seems like I'm like through it's almost a throwaway or me being funny or whatever.
00:44:08.700 --> 00:44:12.940
Like, everything I say in there has a purpose, or else it would be in there.
00:44:13.900 --> 00:44:16.539
It's really honed and refined.
00:44:16.780 --> 00:44:19.180
And my training is like that too.
00:44:20.220 --> 00:44:25.260
People come out of my training and they go, Holy shit, I don't know how you pack that much into four days.
00:44:25.340 --> 00:44:29.740
But that was one of the most Most life-changing experiences I ever had in my life.
00:44:29.900 --> 00:44:34.780
Like so the training means a lot to me.
00:44:35.019 --> 00:44:38.620
I've really worked hard on making that pretty incredible.
00:44:40.060 --> 00:44:49.820
No, I'm I'm so curious, and you've you've been featured for Breathwork on a lot of different platforms.
00:44:50.460 --> 00:44:57.019
The Hollywood Reporter, Good Morning America, like a lot of a lot of places.
00:44:57.260 --> 00:45:00.060
How how did that all come to be?
00:45:00.940 --> 00:45:01.420
Yeah.
00:45:01.740 --> 00:45:07.260
So when Breathwork started taking off for me in LA, it took off.
00:45:07.420 --> 00:45:09.580
Like the Hollywood Reporter reached out to me.
00:45:09.660 --> 00:45:11.820
They heard celebrities were going to my class.
00:45:11.980 --> 00:45:15.820
They had heard I worked with you know Matthew Perry and Owen Wilson.
00:45:15.900 --> 00:45:20.220
And I've worked with Justin Bieber and Selena Gomez and like tons of people.
00:45:20.300 --> 00:45:22.300
And so they reached out and wanted to do a story.
00:45:22.380 --> 00:45:25.100
And LA magazine came in and wanted to do a story.
00:45:25.180 --> 00:45:27.820
And the guy was sitting next to a supermodel.
00:45:27.900 --> 00:45:31.260
Like a she was a sports illustrated swimsuit cover model.
00:45:31.340 --> 00:45:33.420
And I said, Oh, let's meet Tanya.
00:45:33.500 --> 00:45:35.740
And she's he said, Can I ask you some questions?
00:45:35.900 --> 00:45:37.820
Because she'd been coming to my class for a while.
00:45:37.980 --> 00:45:41.660
And then he found out she was like this sports illustrated swimsuit cover model.
00:45:41.820 --> 00:45:43.500
So he put that in the story.
00:45:43.820 --> 00:45:46.700
Now I've got all these people who want to come to the class, right?
00:45:46.780 --> 00:45:49.180
And it's funny how things work like that.
00:45:49.420 --> 00:45:50.940
And good morning, America.
00:45:51.100 --> 00:45:57.580
I was teaching at the studio and they didn't they did a story on the studio and they came to my class, right?
00:45:57.740 --> 00:46:01.580
And there was a woman from Huffington Post who came to my class.
00:46:01.820 --> 00:46:09.180
It just, you know, when people experience breath work, they tell people about it.
00:46:09.340 --> 00:46:14.140
Because if it's good and they have a powerful experience, they tell their friends and family about it.
00:46:14.380 --> 00:46:17.260
So it just took off like naturally.
00:46:17.660 --> 00:46:23.340
And I think the style in which I was doing it was the right style at the right time.
00:46:24.220 --> 00:46:26.220
It had been around way before me.
00:46:26.380 --> 00:46:31.980
One of my former mentors, this guy Dan Brûle, he'd been he's been doing it for 45 years, right?
00:46:32.220 --> 00:46:39.180
But my style, I think my style, the way I repackaged it and rebranded it, really worked for people.
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And it still works for people.
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But it like that's what one of the things that helped it explode.
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And then Wim Hof, you know, came onto the scene, I think like 10 years ago, and he was doing all this crazy shit to like bring attention to the breathwork, you know, getting in an ice thing up to his neck for two hours and doing all this wild shit.
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And that brought a lot of tension to breath work, even though it's a totally different style of breathwork, right?
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But a rising tide floats all boats, right?
00:47:07.580 --> 00:47:10.060
So Wim Hop brings a lot of attention to it.
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You know, it's in Vogue magazine is the new yoga.
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Gwyneth Paltrow, you know, did something on goop.
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Yeah.
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It just one thing leads to the other, leads to the other.
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And people want, you know, something cool at their seminars, at their things, at their different stuff.
00:47:32.539 --> 00:47:34.700
Yeah, that makes sense.
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Wow.
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I am I'm very fascinated by all of it.
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I'd love to speak to you on my other show and delve deeper.
00:47:41.580 --> 00:47:41.900
Sure.
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If you're up for that.
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Yeah.
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But I I really enjoyed this, John Paul.
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I really did.
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Me too.
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Now, do you have any suggestions?
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And this is very broad, but any suggestions for people listening to us to be more mindful within their life?
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You know, yeah.
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If you there's a lot of little tricks that you can do.
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I I did breath work this morning, and so I've been more mindful all day.
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It really puts me in the present moment.
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So that still works for me 15 years later.
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You know, there's this like trick when you go through the door frame to like get present.
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Every time you walk through a door, where am I?
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Get get into the moment.
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Where am I?
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Get into the moment.
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Because we just walk through doors, we don't think about it.
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So you can you can create little triggers to trigger your brain to go, okay, I just walked through the door, let me get present in the moment.
00:48:43.100 --> 00:48:48.940
And you know, listen, I think the cell phone is just destroying society.
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And I've I know people don't want to hear that, but it's true.
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I was looking into a dumb phone recently.
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Have you heard of these dumb phones?
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Like a flip phone?
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Yep.
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Flip phones, it's like you can literally only just call and text on it.
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And I but I needed to be able to switch back and forth between my smartphone and my dumb phone, and it just there's no way to do that.
00:49:11.900 --> 00:49:20.060
So then I was like looking for you could there's a dumb phone app that you can put on the iPhone that turns your iPhone into a dumb phone, and I was like, look, why?
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I was like, oh my god, that seems so complicated.
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You know what I did?
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I just went through and I fucking deleted all the apps.
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I deleted everything except navigation, music, and you know, like photos, like camera, like the the essentials.
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I got rid of all the social media, all the other nonsense.
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And I it's only been a couple weeks, and I feel like I got my life back.
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I was like, it's so insidious.
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You don't realize how much you're on there.
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People aren't looking at the time that they're spending on there.
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And you go, like, holy shit, like again, it comes back to what I was talking about earlier, the very start of this podcast.
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It's like, I want to be here for my kids, and I don't want to waste an hour or two hours scrolling on my phone.
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Turns out it only takes me 10 minutes to go to the bathroom.
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I thought it took two hours.
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My wife thought it took two hours.
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So I got rid of all that shit and I got my life back.
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And so being present like everything else requires effort.
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It requires conscious effort, like work.
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It's really easy to just check out and disconnect.
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But what kind of life do you want to live?
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I want to live a life that has purpose, that has meaning, that has fulfillment, that I'm present with my kids, that I'm present with my wife, that I'm present with my friends.
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It's the worst when I'm out and I see like parents just scrolling on their phones and their kids just sitting there on their iPads, and I'm like, what?
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Is that what memories are the kids gonna have?
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I get it.
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You want to do it to keep them busy in the restaurant, whatever, but like that's also where like manners are taught and conversations are had and things are learned and things are discovered.
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I don't know what society's gonna look like in 20 years, but it's gonna be a fucking shit show, I'll tell you that.
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I love the doorway example, that little mindfulness moment.
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Love that.
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Yeah.
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I've never heard of that.
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There's a in use other ways you can use it.
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Like every time I go through a doorway, let me think of two things I'm grateful for in my life.
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And the more you focus on what you're grateful for, the more things that you'll have that you're grateful for, right?
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Whatever you focus on expands.
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And so I like to try and stay in gratitude.
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And but how do I stay in gratitude?
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It's a muscle.
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I need to work that muscle of gratitude.
00:51:58.460 --> 00:52:02.460
So sometimes like in the shower, I'll just say what I'm grateful for.
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You know, I'll thank you for my play the YouTube video in the shower and repeat along with it.
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Thank you for my feet, thank you for my heart, thank you for my lungs.
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What is gratitude?
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It's saying thank you for what I have, right?
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Thank you for my eyes, thank you for my thank you for my life.
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Saying thank you for everything that you have.
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I'm like, you can get that and you get the emotion going, you can feel the gratitude, you can live in gratitude.
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I completely agree.
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Well, thank you.
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I love that suggestion.
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Absolutely.
00:52:41.180 --> 00:52:45.820
And where where is the best place for uh listeners to to connect?
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I will link, I will link your website in the in the show notes.
00:52:50.060 --> 00:52:50.539
Thank you.
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It's breathewithjp.com.
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Breathe B-R-E-A-T-H-E-W-I-T-H-J-P.
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That breath with J P.
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Breathe with J P.
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Sounds good.
00:53:00.460 --> 00:53:06.539
Are you active on any social media if anybody wants to kind of so here's yeah, so here's the funny thing.
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You made face at that, so I'm like sort of to like hesitate.
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I have all the social media.
00:53:11.580 --> 00:53:17.900
I'm on Instagram, I'm on TikTok, I'm on Facebook, and I make videos for it and I do all the things, right?
00:53:18.060 --> 00:53:21.180
But I'm not actively scrolling on it, like we talked about it.
00:53:21.260 --> 00:53:26.539
I have my wife runs all my social media, which is great.
00:53:26.700 --> 00:53:27.900
She does a great job.
00:53:28.060 --> 00:53:29.740
So she's like, Come on, we're gonna make videos.
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I'm like, all right, I'm a monkey on an organ grinder for Instagram.
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Let's go.
00:53:36.060 --> 00:53:41.900
But I'm you know, I'm comfortable on camera, I'm good on camera, I've been doing it forever, I'm fine with it.
00:53:42.060 --> 00:53:47.420
So I make the videos and then she she does all the things and posts them for me.
00:53:47.500 --> 00:53:48.220
It's great.
00:53:48.460 --> 00:53:50.539
So like I'm not in the DMs.
00:53:50.700 --> 00:53:53.740
If people message me in the DMs, you're getting my wife.
00:53:55.019 --> 00:53:58.060
Just send an email, you know, or whatever.
00:53:58.220 --> 00:53:59.019
You can still do that.
00:53:59.100 --> 00:54:02.860
She'll answer the DMs, but yeah, I'm not on social media.
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I'm out here living, I'm out here raw dogging life, Amanda.
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Just living like life like used to be back in the old days.
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No social media, no booze, no edibles, none of the not nothing.
00:54:23.340 --> 00:54:24.860
I'm just raw dogging life.
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It's wild.
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And you're breathing through it.
00:54:29.019 --> 00:54:32.620
Yeah, that's why breathwork is awesome because it works.
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It does.
00:54:33.900 --> 00:54:35.580
Thank you so much, John Paul.
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I really enjoyed this.
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Me too.
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Thank you for having me.
00:54:39.580 --> 00:54:40.220
Absolutely.
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And we should definitely speak on Meander's mindset.
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I love it.
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Let's do it.
00:54:45.340 --> 00:54:51.580
Thank you so much, and thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Breathwork Magic.
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Thank you for tuning in to Breathwork Magic.
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I hope today's episode inspired you to connect more deeply with your breath and embrace the transformation that it can bring.
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Remember, as long as you have your breath, you have options.
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You're not stuck.
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You can make a change, you can make a shift.
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Each inhale is a new beginner.
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And every exhale is a chance to let go of what no longer serves you.
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If you enjoyed the episode, it would mean the world to me.
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If you shared this with a friend, left a rating or review, your support helps more people discover the magic of breath work and the incredible transformation it offers.
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If you're ready to take the next step, I encourage you and I invite you to join me every Monday evening, virtually, for a Mindful Mindset Monday, a virtual pay what you can breath work session where you can reset, recharge, and refocus.
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All of the information is in the show notes.
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Until next time, keep breathing, keep shifting, and keep embracing the magic with inside of you.
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I'm proud of you, I'm rooting for you.
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And you got this.