Pebble Beach Concours New Era - Vince Finaldi

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BreakFix podcast is all about capturing
the living history of people from
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all over the autosphere, from wrench
turners and racers to artists, authors,
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designers, and everything in between.
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Our goal is to inspire a new generation
of petrol heads that wonder, how did
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they get that job or become that person?
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The road to success is paved by all
of us, because everyone has a story.
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The Pebble Beach Concours
d'Elegance is entering a new era.
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After 40 years of constant leadership,
the world's most prestigious concours
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turns to Vince Finaldi this fall,
a third-generation car guy whose
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life has swung between high-stakes
courtroom battles and the calming
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precision of restoration work.
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From his family's Italian-born
automotive lineage to the shop he
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built on the Monterey Peninsula, Vince
has always returned to the garage
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as a place that keeps him grounded.
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Now, he's stepping into one of the
most influential roles in the collector
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car world, tasked with guiding a
living institution as it evolves for
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a new generation, without losing the
soul that made Pebble Beach iconic.
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In this episode, we dig into his
journey, his philosophy, and the
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vision he'll bring to the lawn.
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That's right, and joining me
tonight is returning co-host Don
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Wieberg from Garage Style Magazine,
one of the many personalities
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on the Motoring Podcast Network.
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So welcome back to the studio, Don.
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Thank you, Eric.
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Good to be here.
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And with that, let's officially
welcome Vince to BreakFix.
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Welcome, Vince.
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Thanks for having me, folks.
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Well, Vince, like all good
BreakFix stories, there's a
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superhero origin story out there.
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So as we said in the intro, your
family's automotive roots go all the
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way back to Italy and, I've come to
understand, the early General Motors days.
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So let's talk about how that heritage
has shaped the way you see craftsmanship,
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restoration, and all-around car culture.
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Sure.
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So I mean, I guess it started with
my grandfather, who's from Italy.
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When he was very young, his father died
at a young age, so his mother would
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bring him and the kids out to the US.
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This is the early, early 1900s.
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So he spoke the language and
eventually started working in, in
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the automotive world here in the US.
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You know, this is before the
'20s for GM, uh, in the R&D.
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They would have an engine, engine
would break down, he'd take it
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apart, figure out why it broke, and
discuss with the engineers how to
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kind of re-engineer or fix things.
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'20s happened, uh, you
know, Depression, layoffs.
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You know, he was obviously a foreigner,
one of the first ones to be laid off.
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Went back to Italy, opened other, you
know, automotive related businesses,
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and that's, you know, when my
father was born and his brothers.
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And so they kind of grew up in the
car world there in Italy, emigrated
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here to the US in the '60s to Chicago,
opened up their own shops, uh, and then
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eventually moved to Southern California
and opened their own shops as well.
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Types of shops were mechanic
shops, body shops, and also shops
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involving tractors, earth movers.
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So from a very young
age, I grew up in shops.
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Um, that's kind of all I knew.
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That's what all my family did
is- You know, a automotive.
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They also imported and exported
Italian sports cars, 'cause back
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then there were not a lot of dealers
that you can go and buy and sell them
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from, so that was kind of another
avenue for, of business for them.
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So I always had cars coming in
and out of the house and the shop.
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I always wanted to be at the shop.
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I didn't want to be at home.
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Any time I could be anywhere, I, I didn't
want to be playing sports, I didn't want
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to be at home, I wanted to be at the
shop playing with cars, as were a lot
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of kids, you know, in, in my generation.
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Yeah, so that's kind of the genesis of
my entry into the car world, if you will.
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So was there any one particular
car or cars that rolled in or
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out of the shop that you went, "I
want one of those when I grow up"?
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Yeah, pretty much all the cars that he
would import and, uh, and then sell.
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You know, the way it would work is,
you know, I'd, I'd come from home from
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school, you know, I'm five, six years
old, and, and I'd go look in the garage
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and there'd be a Ferrari in there.
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I'm like, "Wow, this is cool." And
you know, I'd sit in it and I'd play
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with the buttons and I'd look at
it, and I had like, "This is my car.
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This one's not going anywhere." And then,
you know, a couple days later I'd come
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home from school and I'd look and the
car is gone, and it's like, "Where did it
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go?" And my mom's like, "Well, he sold it.
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That's the way it works." So I'd cry
and I'd be upset and, you know, for
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another couple weeks until another
car would show up, and this time it'd
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be, you know, a Lamborghini Miura.
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And I'm like, "Wow, this one's
even better," and I'd fall in
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love with that one, and then,
uh, same thing would happen.
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And so wash, rinse, repeat, I
fell in love with many cars as a
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youngster, but I also got steeled
to the process of buying and selling
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and cars as a business, if you will.
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Whatever that attachment is that
some collectors have where they
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buy a car and they never get rid
of it and they can never imagine
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selling it, that got weaned out of my
system at a young age, if you will.
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So which car was the ultimate?
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I mean, the, the Miura was the
one that, you know, really, really
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imprinted on me very heavily.
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Kind of a double-edged sword because
that's one car of the many that we had
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in the shop through the years, Ferraris,
and Alfa Romeos, and you know, you
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name it, US sports cars, and Corvettes,
and that's one car that always kind
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of just went up in price throughout
the decades, and went up and up.
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I would say it's an elevator that,
that only goes up, and it's continuing.
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You know?
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It's, it's a car that's really
broken a lot of molds, widely
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recognized as the first supercar.
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And you know, so the double-edged
sword side is that I always
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wanted one, but prices were always
outpacing me and outpacing me.
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And so anything I was doing to try
and get my hands on one, it was just
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a really difficult car to chase.
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So I don't know if the reason why
that one imprinted on me so much is
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just because of the car itself or if
it's also because that was the really
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elusive one that I couldn't catch until
much later on in my restoring, playing
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with, collecting, chasing journey.
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And when we look back over your
career, obviously you went into
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law, but you also stayed in the
car world at the same time- Yeah
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with your own restoration shop.
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So you know, as they say, the apple
does not fall far from the tree.
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When you look back on all those years,
you know, hanging out with your dad,
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and his brothers, and grandpa, and all
that kind of thing, was there something
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that you carried forward with you?
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Were there family traditions that you
carried into your restoration business?
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And if so, what were those?
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Yeah, I don't know if it's traditions
or if it's business practices, you know?
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'Cause it, kind of what they would
do is they'd supplement the core
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business, you know, whether it's
the body shop or the mechanic
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shop, with buying and selling cars.
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And they'd buy and sell cars that they
were into and they liked, and they
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knew that they could make a profit on.
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Sometime they'd buy cars that were
in a collision or something, and
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they'd repair them and sell them.
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What I learned is that, you know,
you, you know, you really make your
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money on a car when you buy it.
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If you buy it right, that's
really the way to do it.
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And um, you can improve a car, and
then get it into a condition where
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when you're ready to move it on to
the next collector or owner, you can
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take that fund, if you will, and then
use it to buy another car, and kind
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of, you know, wash, rinse, repeat.
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That's something that I
learned at a young age.
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And I, and I started with skateboards,
and then bicycles, and then I moved to
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mopeds, and then I moved to go-karts,
and then I moved to cars at 15 years old.
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Cheapest car I can get, and then, you
know, moving up to a little more expensive
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one, and a little more expensive ones.
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You know, by the time I was out of
high school, you know, I went into
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the Marine Corps, and I served as
an infantryman for four years, but
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I was still doing this on the side.
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You know, I'd buy a Jeep or something,
and fix it up, and sell it, and
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squirrel away some of the money.
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So when I got out, you know, I used
the GI Bill and I went to college.
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And you know, my dad said, "Look, I
know you'd love to open a shop and do
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that for a living, but I don't think
this is the path for you. You know,
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you're, you do really well in school,
you always have, and you have an
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opportunity to do things, uh, with higher
education and maybe with a career that
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I didn't really have a chance to do."
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So why don't you just see where, you know,
your higher education takes you, and you
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can always do cars on the side And so I
said, "All right, let's do that." And so
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I, I continued in, in higher education
and, you know, I ended up having a
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friend who was, you know, in law school,
and I never knew a lawyer growing up.
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I never encountered a lawyer in my life.
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But, you know, I was looking at his
homework and I'm like, "Wow, this is
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pretty interesting, you know, and this
doesn't even seem like it's work."
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And so I decided to take some law
classes and, you know, ended up going
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to law school and becoming a lawyer.
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But on the side, partially to get myself
through college, I was waiting tables,
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I was using the GI Bill, and I was also
buying and fixing cars and selling them.
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So that's kinda how I was able to put
myself through undergraduate work and then
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through law school with barely any debt.
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And so this has been a lifelong thing.
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And then, you know, once I became
a lawyer, I had more money with
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which to kind of play with cars.
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So, you know, it's a chicken
or the egg thing, you know?
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Are, are you, are you, are you
working so you can get the cars,
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or are you us- you getting the cars
so that you can, you can work and
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get a better job and do education?
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They're kind of both intertwined.
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It, you can't separate them.
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So has a Miura ever graced your
shop after all these years?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So I finally, finally caught up
to the Miura elevator in 2015.
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Took me that long.
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So I was, you know, almost,
what, 40 years old almost by
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the time I finally caught one.
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And it wasn't the best
one, it was in Belgium.
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It's kind of a funny story.
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I, I met through some people Valentino
Balboni, who was the legendary test driver
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for Lamborghini for 30 years, and he test
drove almost every single Countach that
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came off the line, many of the Miuras.
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And, uh, now he does consulting work,
and you can hire him to go meet with
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you and to inspect a car, drive it, you
know, kind of give you the thumbs up
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if it's a car you're looking to buy.
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And at the time I bought
it, it was really expensive.
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I w- it was uncomfortably
expensive, let me say that.
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But I knew it's the car
that I always wanted.
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And so he met me there in
Belgium, looked over the car
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and he said, "Look, it's good.
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The numbers are good.
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The engine's matching.
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You know, let's go drive it." He
hops in, I get in the passenger seat.
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We're driving through the fields
and farms in Belgium, right?
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I had driven a lot of cars in my
life, but I had never driven a Miura.
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He pulls over and he gets out of the
car, and I'm like, "What's going on?
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Is there something wrong with the
car?" You know, and he goes, "No, it's
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your turn." And I'm like, I'm like,
"Oh, great." So I gotta drive this
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thing for the first time in my life
with Valentino Balboni sitting in the
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passenger seat, and I'm thinking, you
know, "I'm gonna stall this thing or…"
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Yeah, that was my introduction
to actually driving one.
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Yeah, I, I, I owned it.
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We restored it.
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I ended up selling it.
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I took that money and bought two Miuras.
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You know, one that was better, one
that was in major need of restoration.
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I sold the better one, used some of that
money to restore the other one, and I
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kind of did that a few different times.
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So I've owned about five Miuras,
uh, various parts and collection
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of parts and all kinds of stuff.
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So y- I got pretty deep in the,
in the Miura world, if you will.
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So you are the opposite of the saying
that I usually throw out there,
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which is never drive your heroes.
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So you've expanded upon the
love and the passion, and you
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actually adore these cars.
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Yeah, yeah.
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As part of the, the gig, I
mean, it's really hard to come
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across Miura parts- parts.
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They're just not there.
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You know, the factory
doesn't even have them.
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So in order to restore some of these
cars, I had to find parts, you know.
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So I actually got introduced to Claudio
Zampolli, who used, he was the first
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person actually sent by the factory
here to the US to work on these cars,
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'cause so many were having issues.
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So they supplied him with parts and,
you know, the know-how and, and so he
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was working on cars for years and years.
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As he got towards the later part of
his life, you know, I found out that he
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still had a bunch of parts and things,
so I was able to buy his collection
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of Lamborghini parts and manuals and
tools that he'd had for 40 years.
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Yeah, the Lamborghini journey kind of
took me down many different paths, but
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it all started because my dad had bought
that first one back in, what, 1978 maybe?
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He would take me and my two brothers
out for drives together in it.
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So the three of us would be in
the passenger seat, and this
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is a P400, and he would go at a
spirited pace, let's say that.
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You know, through the farms in, in
Southern California when it was all, a
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lot of farmland and dairy land and, you
know, you'd hear the sounds of the motor
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and, you know, the carburetors and the
gears, and it was just… It's a car that
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if you ever have a chance to drive in
one, do it, because you won't forget it.
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I need to make sure that you know how
many people out there are listening
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right now to you, Vince, and saying-
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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His first Miura, he took a ride with
Balboni, and then when he wanted
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parts, he called that other guy.
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Yeah.
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Do you know how many, not just Lamborghini
guys, but car enthusiasts in general are
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listening right now, their mind is blown.
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You've literally blown their mind.
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I mean, that's incredible.
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I think that's one thing I love about the
car community is some of the people you
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meet, I mean, just through serendipity of
having some of these cars, and then you
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find out, and correct me if I'm wrong,
but those guys you've met, they're pretty
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much just normal guys, aren't they?
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Yeah.
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I mean, that's one of the things
about me is that I have an
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intellectual curiosity in the cars.
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I want to learn about them.
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I want to learn about how they
work, who made them, how they made
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them, the whole history of the
car, and that's kind of what I do.
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Whenever I get into a car,
I, I do a deep, deep dive.
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Up my OCD side of my personality,
I, I just do a, a deep dive on it.
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I learn everything I can about the
car and just digest every single
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manual and, and piece of video.
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Yeah, so that leads me sometimes to
people who helped to make the cars,
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and yeah, pick up the phone and call
them, and they're normal people, and
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most of them are car guys, and yeah.
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So this is not something that's special
to me, like, oh, special, and I was
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able to meet these-- Anyone can do it.
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All you have to do is just find them
and pick up the phone and ask them
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the question, you know, and, uh, if
you get the yes, then you're in there.
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But that's part of the joy of the
car hobby for me, you know, not
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just owning a car and, you know,
I, I, I like all facets of it.
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I, I like the maintenance of cars.
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I like the, you know,
re- preparing the cars.
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I like modifying cars.
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I like concourse restorations.
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I like the history of-- I like
all of it, the automobilia.
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I think it's the joy of this
whole car hobby, you know.
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It's, it's not just limited to one thing.
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One of our last conversations,
you went on the California
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Mille, if I remember correctly.
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Yes, I did go.
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But you were in search of a closed
classic car, and I'm kind of
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wondering, did you ever find it?
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Not yet.
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Still looking, still kind of narrowing
down exactly what I want to buy.
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Okay.
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As you know, this is an interesting
time period in the collector car world.
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You know, the last, let's say, three
decades, we saw a, a monumental increase
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in the value of these cars, many of them.
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It was a pretty steady
pace with a couple blips.
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You know, 2008 there was a blip, in late
'80s, early '90s there was a blip as well.
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But generally, it was a pretty good curve.
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So what we're seeing now is a change
in the, some collectors aging out,
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some '50s, '60s collector cars
that have generally been blue chip
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investment cars are kind of flattening
out or even going down a little bit.
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So, you know, if you're someone
who plans to hold a car and kind
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of stay in this market for a while,
that's something you gotta look at.
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People generally don't wanna spend a bunch
of money on a car and then have it, you
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know, lose half its value or something.
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So that's, that's all part
of this game, you know?
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It's, it's an interesting part of it.
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So yeah, I'm still kind of looking
and, and thinking and deciding.
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Any particular brands
catching your attention?
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I don't know.
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I'd like to get something pre-war.
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Yeah.
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I love the pre-war Bugattis, you know?
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Mm-hmm.
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I really like them.
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But, you know, once again,
that's a, that's an elevator.
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That's a big one, and, and you can
also get in rabbit holes on those cars.
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I mean, you know, there's really,
really great ones out there, and there
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are some that have been kind of pieced
together from parts and cobbled together
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and, you know, they're great for
someone that can't afford the best car.
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So that's another thing that, you know,
when you're looking at getting a car
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like this, you have to go through your
decision tree and see what you're gonna
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use it for and what it can qualify to
get into and, um, see if, if that's
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gonna be something that's good for you.
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For those events, do they have to
be top level concours style cars,
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or can they be the cobblestone
type cars you're talking about?
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No, no, a- and it depends on the event.
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So the California Mille, for example,
it, it mimics the, the Mille Miglia.
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Right.
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The Mille Miglia has opened cars
1957 and prior that would have
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actually run in the Mille Miglia.
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Okay.
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Porsche 356 you can run, 'cause one
of those ran in the Mille Miglia.
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Most Ferraris, um, you know, would be
eligible You know, generally it's gotta
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be a real car, but if it's got pieces
from other cars or it's been, uh, you
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know, repaired or something, then you're
still gonna be good, generally speaking.
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Well, Vince, to use some legal jargon,
you've established your credibility-
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… as a car guy in conversation.
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So let's pivot and talk
about your road to Monterey.
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So you've had all these things
going on, you know, the California
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Amelia preparations, all your
restorations, all the Miuras,
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everything we've covered so far.
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How did we get from there to becoming
the president of the Concours?
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It really wasn't something
that was planned.
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I was a trial lawyer.
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I was litigating really, really
difficult civil cases for 22 years.
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I worked for the same firm for the entire
time, became a partner rather quickly.
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Just really had a knack for this
type of litigation, hardcore
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litigation and trial work.
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We represented sexual abuse victims,
so this is, you know, gut-wrenching
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stuff, you know, very emotional,
tough cases to do all around.
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You're usually litigating against these
very well-funded institutions that
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hire teams of attorneys, dozens of
attorneys, and, and you're litigating
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against them with a very, very
slim team, sometimes just yourself.
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So it's really difficult, high-stakes
litigation where if you're not
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successful in the case, you don't
get paid and your client doesn't
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get any recovery whatsoever.
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And sometimes for these clients,
you're kind of their last resort.
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Their abuser might be passed away or they,
you know, were never held accountable.
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They were never arrested because
of political reasons or whatever.
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So there's a lot of reasons
why these are difficult cases.
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After 22 years of it- I was ready
to kind of get out while I still
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had my health and, you know, had
a great family and figured that I
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can, I can have a second career.
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I was young enough to be able to do that.
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I was fortunate.
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I wanted to lean more into the car
business and actually open my own shop
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and kind of figure things out from there.
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I, I knew I also wanted to do
something where I'm giving back.
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I, I always felt fortunate.
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I was able to use my GI Bill and, you
know, the jobs I worked to go to school
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and, you know, I had some people along the
way that really helped me, great mentors
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and, you know, I was lucky that, you know,
I just fell into a, you know, a line of
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work that I happened to be really good at.
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I think anyone who's had any measure
of success in life, they have to
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contribute a, a portion of it to luck.
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Not everyone in life gets that same
luck, so I think giving back is,
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is really important for anyone.
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So, um, yeah, we moved up to Carmel, which
we had been coming to for years, and I
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opened a shop and started restoring cars.
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I just met some people within the Pebble
Beach Company and the community and
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car people, and we became friends and,
you know, they started saying, "Look,
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we're looking for someone to kind of
carry on the torch in the Concourse,
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and maybe you'd be a good choice for
it." Yeah, so first I, I just kept
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saying, "No, that's, that's not me."
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You know, I'm not looking
to be the Concourse person.
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I, you know, I, I like cars, but I
like driving them, repairing them.
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I like-- I can do paintwork,
I can do metalwork, I can
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do mechanical work myself.
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That's me.
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They said, "Well, you know, you,
you've done well in business.
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You know how to run a business.
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You know cars.
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It's really hard to find someone who
straddles both of those." You know,
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you find a lot of car people out there
who are not really good at business, a
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lot of business people who don't know
anything about cars, but it's really
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hard to find someone that straddles both
and is also young enough that they can
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kind of carry the torch on something
like this for a number of years.
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But what really got me was learning
that All the money that the Pebble
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Beach Concourse raises for charity
and gives away to charity every year,
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which is, you know, a huge focus of it.
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And that's what really
got me interested more.
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So I took some meetings, just
realized that our interests align.
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You know, we kind of have the same
passion for the collector car hobby
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and the community, and continuing
this passion that's really given so
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much to mine and other people's lives.
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And that's when I decided to pursue it
and, and to go forward with it, you know?
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So it, it kind of is something
that fell into my lap, if you will.
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It's not something I pursued or even
saw myself doing, but now that I'm
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here, I can see that, you know, it
probably happened for a reason, you know?
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My wife, you know, earlier on
in the process was like, "Why
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are you so hesitant to this?"
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You know?
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"You know a lot of these people anyways.
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You go to most of these events.
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You're gonna deal with cars until you die.
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They give back to charity.
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You wanna do something
where you're giving back.
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What's the hold up?" And, you
know, I was like, "Well, that's
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why I married someone who's smarter
than me." She gives good advice.
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Yeah, so that's kinda how I got here.
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It's, it's, it's weird.
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Could that hesitation also have been
because you're stepping into the shadow
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of Sandra Button's 40-year tenure?
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I mean, those are some
pretty big shoes to fill.
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Yeah, I don't think it was that, you know?
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In, in my career, you know,
I've done a lot of things.
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We really were trailblazers that
paved the path for a lot of people
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to be able to finally hold their
users accountable and get recoveries.
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We changed the laws in order to allow
a wide swath of people to actually do
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these types of cases across the US.
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In, in doing this type of work, you're
standing up against large corporations,
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large insurance companies, and
you're, you're getting beaten up from,
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from the left and from the right.
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So I've never been a person, just
out of my, my nature and character,
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to kind of back down from a
fight or a challenge, you know?
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I'm, I'm the one that, that
runs into the fire, if you will.
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It wasn't that.
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It was more that I didn't think I was
someone who's solely a Concourse person.
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And, and I figured they're looking
for someone who's a hardcore
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Concourse person, who's all about
the Concourse and nothing else.
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And it turns out that that's not what
they were looking for, and that's not
436
00:21:14,610 --> 00:21:16,970
what they felt was best for the Concourse.
437
00:21:17,330 --> 00:21:21,350
And when I talked to other people,
including Sandra, in this whole
438
00:21:21,389 --> 00:21:26,141
Concourse world- I learned that that's
really not what, you know, you want.
439
00:21:26,221 --> 00:21:29,961
You want someone who's kind of a car
person, who understands the whole hobby.
440
00:21:30,322 --> 00:21:34,261
Because in order to have a successful
concourse, you need to be able to see
441
00:21:34,322 --> 00:21:38,041
where this whole hobby's going, to kind
of portend what's gonna happen before it
442
00:21:38,161 --> 00:21:42,441
happens so that you can keep the concourse
alive and living, and is something
443
00:21:42,501 --> 00:21:43,882
that's, that's a leader in the field.
444
00:21:44,282 --> 00:21:48,561
Well, you opened a very special
door to a conversation that we could
445
00:21:48,622 --> 00:21:50,101
probably do a whole episode on.
446
00:21:50,282 --> 00:21:51,281
Your door unlocked.
447
00:21:51,821 --> 00:21:52,621
It, it, yes.
448
00:21:52,901 --> 00:21:55,621
And Don is chomping at the bit here,
but it hit the nail on the head.
449
00:21:55,661 --> 00:21:58,481
It's the evolution of the-
Yeah … concourse as we know it.
450
00:21:58,702 --> 00:21:59,901
It's double-barreled for me.
451
00:21:59,981 --> 00:22:03,501
I, I only have one mouth, and there are
so many questions trying to come out.
452
00:22:03,601 --> 00:22:07,661
I, I'm gonna let you lead the charge, and
I'll follow up behind you, 'cause, eh,
453
00:22:07,741 --> 00:22:11,781
Vince, you did, you opened up not a door,
man, you opened up a whole, you know.
454
00:22:12,121 --> 00:22:13,562
Well, it's the million-dollar question.
455
00:22:13,661 --> 00:22:16,581
I mean, you know, when I was going through
the interview process and when I was
456
00:22:16,641 --> 00:22:20,301
talking to some of these bigger collectors
and, you know, in, in, in my due diligence
457
00:22:20,362 --> 00:22:25,001
process, first question I get, and I
still get, is, "Well, what are you gonna
458
00:22:25,042 --> 00:22:27,201
change? Why are you gonna change things?"
459
00:22:27,281 --> 00:22:30,661
And, you know, "I hope you don't
change things." And it's all, all
460
00:22:30,681 --> 00:22:32,581
the questions revolve around change.
461
00:22:32,981 --> 00:22:37,321
And first thing I told the people that
I spoke to during this process is I
462
00:22:37,362 --> 00:22:40,721
said, "Look, if, you know, whoever you
choose, whoever you choose, if someone
463
00:22:40,762 --> 00:22:43,561
comes in there and starts telling you
about all these things they're gonna
464
00:22:43,582 --> 00:22:46,521
change and they're gonna tweak and
they're gonna change, wrong person.
465
00:22:46,561 --> 00:22:48,221
That's just, that's
absolutely the wrong build.
466
00:22:48,641 --> 00:22:51,581
So choose whoever you want,
but please take that as a, as a
467
00:22:51,641 --> 00:22:53,101
really important consideration.
468
00:22:53,161 --> 00:22:57,401
What you need to do is get into the role
and figure it out." Figure out what makes
469
00:22:57,421 --> 00:23:01,941
it tick and kind of see where, you know,
where it is, the temperature, if you will.
470
00:23:01,981 --> 00:23:04,122
And yeah, adjustments
will need to be made.
471
00:23:04,501 --> 00:23:05,721
That's the case with any business.
472
00:23:05,882 --> 00:23:08,082
But it's the pinnacle
concourse in the world.
473
00:23:08,601 --> 00:23:10,101
Most people say it's the most important.
474
00:23:10,641 --> 00:23:14,701
Winning another concourse is winning that
concourse, but winning Pebble Beach is
475
00:23:14,701 --> 00:23:17,901
winning Pebble Beach, and everyone in
the car world knows what that is, right?
476
00:23:18,462 --> 00:23:23,221
So yeah, it's an important thing that
I'll have to deal with, change, but
477
00:23:23,261 --> 00:23:26,301
it's a necessary part of this car
world, and it's something that Pebble
478
00:23:26,361 --> 00:23:28,901
Beach has been doing for 75 years now.
479
00:23:29,181 --> 00:23:31,321
It's a, it's a living, breathing event.
480
00:23:31,901 --> 00:23:33,941
Y- you mentioned that, you know,
you gotta change it slowly.
481
00:23:33,982 --> 00:23:34,781
You gotta be careful.
482
00:23:34,802 --> 00:23:37,881
You gotta- Yeah … it's almost
totally organic how this thing is
483
00:23:37,921 --> 00:23:42,321
going to evolve, and that it is
always inorganic in its evolution.
484
00:23:42,861 --> 00:23:46,962
Just so some of our listeners cue
in on this, what have been some of
485
00:23:47,001 --> 00:23:49,122
those changes that you've seen- Sure
486
00:23:49,142 --> 00:23:50,661
and that the Concours went through?
487
00:23:50,881 --> 00:23:50,962
Sure.
488
00:23:51,101 --> 00:23:54,341
What are some of the genres of
automobiles that have been welcomed
489
00:23:54,381 --> 00:23:58,642
to the Concours that maybe 20 years
ago or 30 years ago, there's no way we
490
00:23:58,681 --> 00:24:02,501
would have had that car on the field,
but now- A, a Concours d'Elegance is
491
00:24:02,541 --> 00:24:04,861
nothing more than a contest of elegance.
492
00:24:04,882 --> 00:24:09,241
You know, if you go back to the, you know,
the early 1900s, these started in Europe,
493
00:24:09,281 --> 00:24:15,041
where, you know, someone would have this
fantastic one-off car that costs more than
494
00:24:15,061 --> 00:24:19,341
1,000 people's salaries, and they would
take it to a park, along with some other
495
00:24:19,401 --> 00:24:21,421
people who had cars of similar nature.
496
00:24:21,441 --> 00:24:25,241
I mean, they'd have a, their wife
or something dress in a, in, in some
497
00:24:25,342 --> 00:24:29,561
amazing gown, and they would have a
contest of which car and which gown is
498
00:24:29,601 --> 00:24:31,701
the most luxurious and, and elegant.
499
00:24:31,741 --> 00:24:35,441
You know, after cars came here to the US,
we started having those events as well.
500
00:24:35,721 --> 00:24:38,381
The first Pebble Beach
Concours was in 1950.
501
00:24:38,909 --> 00:24:41,658
And it was something that was tagged
onto the Pebble Beach road races,
502
00:24:41,730 --> 00:24:42,970
which started that year as well.
503
00:24:43,490 --> 00:24:47,310
Early years of the Pebble Beach Concourse,
a lot of cars were just, some of them
504
00:24:47,429 --> 00:24:52,949
were just brand new, like Jaguars,
and MGs, and Austin Healeys, and some
505
00:24:52,970 --> 00:24:57,030
were some really great cars from the
'20s, and the '30s, and the '40s.
506
00:24:57,409 --> 00:25:00,750
But in order to stay alive, and
to stay relevant, and to grow,
507
00:25:01,050 --> 00:25:03,889
the Concourse, you know, has gone
through many different changes.
508
00:25:04,129 --> 00:25:07,230
You know, we added something that,
which is the Tour of Elegance, which
509
00:25:07,310 --> 00:25:11,230
is Thursdays, where these cars go and
they do a drive, and you can actually
510
00:25:11,310 --> 00:25:13,250
see them being used and exercised.
511
00:25:13,290 --> 00:25:16,470
And that was done because
that's the way you bring people
512
00:25:16,550 --> 00:25:17,850
into the, into the community.
513
00:25:17,870 --> 00:25:19,879
It's, seeing a car static is one thing.
514
00:25:20,290 --> 00:25:24,270
Seeing it on the road and being used is
a, an entirely different thing, you know?
515
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:26,800
So that's something that's
gained in popularity.
516
00:25:26,810 --> 00:25:30,990
For many people, it's their favorite
part of Car Week, is watching the tour
517
00:25:31,030 --> 00:25:34,290
and watching these cars go down to, you
know, drive down to Big Sur and back.
518
00:25:34,530 --> 00:25:36,030
But there have been oth-
other things as well.
519
00:25:36,370 --> 00:25:41,350
The introduction of more post-war cars
and different classes of cars, newer cars.
520
00:25:41,710 --> 00:25:44,919
This is something that the Concourse
has been doing for years, and years, and
521
00:25:44,990 --> 00:25:50,110
years in order to remain relevant, to
bring in new collectors, to keep young
522
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:52,149
people interested in the, in the hobby.
523
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:55,980
And you alluded to this earlier about
the shift in the car culture, and
524
00:25:56,030 --> 00:25:57,470
investments, and things like that.
525
00:25:57,510 --> 00:26:01,389
And so as I read between the lines,
it harkens back to a project that
526
00:26:01,470 --> 00:26:05,050
I was working on with some fellow
creators here on the NPN at the
527
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:08,070
tail end of last year, beginning of
this year, where we were doing some
528
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:11,449
research into Dolce Vita era Ferraris.
529
00:26:11,790 --> 00:26:15,370
Where they sit in the market, is that
a type of car people wanna buy anymore?
530
00:26:15,470 --> 00:26:17,649
You know, there's all these
arguments that, let's say a
531
00:26:17,689 --> 00:26:20,389
250 GTO, it's a bygone era.
532
00:26:20,530 --> 00:26:23,110
People are more interested
investing in McLaren F1s.
533
00:26:23,149 --> 00:26:26,590
That's gonna be the new GTO
of 2026, let's just say.
534
00:26:26,610 --> 00:26:30,090
And so there's this cultural shift
because, as you said, collectors are
535
00:26:30,169 --> 00:26:34,909
aging out, and folks at their peak earning
potential are moving into the space.
536
00:26:35,260 --> 00:26:35,270
Yeah.
537
00:26:35,270 --> 00:26:38,429
But it's always the car that was
on your wall as a kid is the car
538
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:39,689
that you wanna see on the lawn.
539
00:26:39,949 --> 00:26:44,899
So how does Pebble embrace that in the
future as you begin to see more F40s,
540
00:26:44,949 --> 00:26:50,490
and 959s, and Diablos, and things like
that, instead of SSK Mercedes, and
541
00:26:50,510 --> 00:26:52,260
1920s Bugattis, and things like that?
542
00:26:52,550 --> 00:26:53,790
So there's two parts of that.
543
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:56,669
The first part is the whole
financial element of it.
544
00:26:57,149 --> 00:27:01,429
Back 30, 40 years ago, the mantra was
buy what you love and, you know, worst
545
00:27:01,490 --> 00:27:04,229
case scenario, if the value goes down
a little bit, if it goes up a little
546
00:27:04,269 --> 00:27:06,468
bit, you're gonna be fine because
you're gonna have a car you love.
547
00:27:06,688 --> 00:27:10,809
And that mantra worked really well, it
was great advice when the cars are worth
548
00:27:10,909 --> 00:27:14,090
$3,000, $5,000, $10,000, $15,000, right?
549
00:27:14,629 --> 00:27:18,330
Now, it's, it's a bit of a different
world, and that mantra still holds true,
550
00:27:18,769 --> 00:27:20,490
you know, if you plan on keeping the car.
551
00:27:20,509 --> 00:27:23,529
But eventually, you know, you're gonna
have an exit strategy for the car.
552
00:27:23,549 --> 00:27:26,830
And if, and if you're spending a
considerable amount of money on the
553
00:27:26,909 --> 00:27:29,629
car, you can't just ignore that, right?
554
00:27:29,770 --> 00:27:31,749
Most people don't just
ignore that element.
555
00:27:31,789 --> 00:27:33,688
You've got to take into
consideration what's gonna
556
00:27:33,729 --> 00:27:34,889
happen with the value of the car.
557
00:27:35,270 --> 00:27:37,809
And so it's just looked
at in a different way.
558
00:27:38,168 --> 00:27:40,448
You know, you, you talk about
the popularity of these new
559
00:27:40,529 --> 00:27:43,869
cars and, you know, what some
of them are selling for now.
560
00:27:44,369 --> 00:27:48,309
I think part of it is fueled by that,
by the whole investment and the business
561
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:50,869
side of the car collecting hobby.
562
00:27:51,168 --> 00:27:52,469
You kind of have to look at both.
563
00:27:52,829 --> 00:27:58,009
As far as the show field, the show
field has always been kind of changing.
564
00:27:58,349 --> 00:28:03,769
And so what I tell people is that a great
car is always gonna be a great car, right?
565
00:28:03,869 --> 00:28:06,589
A Type 35 Bugatti is a great car.
566
00:28:07,009 --> 00:28:11,149
It's a car that was so ahead of its
time, at least a decade ahead of
567
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:12,549
all the other cars it was racing.
568
00:28:12,729 --> 00:28:14,668
That's why it won every single race.
569
00:28:14,708 --> 00:28:18,109
Privateers would take the
car right out of the box, and
570
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:19,570
they'd go and they'd win races.
571
00:28:19,610 --> 00:28:23,829
And when they won races, it was printed
that the Bugatti won and the Bugatti
572
00:28:23,869 --> 00:28:28,649
brand kind of gained by people who weren't
even these famous race car drivers.
573
00:28:28,688 --> 00:28:30,110
It's always gonna be an important car.
574
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:31,649
It's always gonna be a great car.
575
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:33,009
Same thing with the Gullwing.
576
00:28:33,089 --> 00:28:35,208
And, and there's other cars
that are kind of like that.
577
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:37,250
You know, the, the Lamborghini
Miura is one of mine.
578
00:28:37,289 --> 00:28:40,682
You know, I've got a soft spot
for it I think what's important
579
00:28:40,782 --> 00:28:44,802
is to make sure you're bringing in
new cars that are important cars.
580
00:28:44,841 --> 00:28:48,002
You know, a, a McLaren
F1, very important car.
581
00:28:48,522 --> 00:28:49,982
Definitely a collector car.
582
00:28:50,302 --> 00:28:51,922
That's a car that broke many barriers.
583
00:28:52,081 --> 00:28:53,581
It was way ahead of its time.
584
00:28:54,002 --> 00:28:56,202
And so, yeah, it's got a
place on the show field.
585
00:28:56,601 --> 00:29:00,302
And what you can do is, you know, a lot of
these kids go straight for the McLaren F1.
586
00:29:00,361 --> 00:29:01,341
That's what they wanna look at.
587
00:29:01,522 --> 00:29:04,812
But when they're on the show field, then
they see that, you know, hey, there's
588
00:29:04,841 --> 00:29:10,042
another car, a Ferrari from the '60s that,
that has three seating position as well,
589
00:29:10,322 --> 00:29:13,302
you know, which is, "Wow, I, I didn't
know there was another car like that."
590
00:29:13,382 --> 00:29:15,912
And then they look and they
see a, a Bugatti Type 35,
591
00:29:15,962 --> 00:29:17,361
and they start learning more.
592
00:29:17,621 --> 00:29:21,262
You know, the concours field becomes
a classroom where they learn about
593
00:29:21,302 --> 00:29:24,142
cars and they get interested in
these cars, and that's how you
594
00:29:24,182 --> 00:29:26,162
keep some of the older cars alive.
595
00:29:26,242 --> 00:29:30,302
You use the newer cars as a tool
to educate and help, you know, new
596
00:29:30,341 --> 00:29:31,861
collectors understand the old stuff.
597
00:29:32,142 --> 00:29:34,682
And I think it's funny, having
walked the show field myself,
598
00:29:34,782 --> 00:29:38,361
Pebble is full of different
classes of cars that are out there.
599
00:29:38,542 --> 00:29:42,472
I often chuckle when I see, let's
say, something like an F40 that
600
00:29:42,542 --> 00:29:46,682
is already 40 years old at this
point, and it's considered modern.
601
00:29:46,692 --> 00:29:47,702
And it's like, no it's not.
602
00:29:48,002 --> 00:29:48,222
Yeah.
603
00:29:48,522 --> 00:29:50,442
There's been so many Ferraris after that.
604
00:29:50,762 --> 00:29:54,982
So there has to be this shift in the
classes too, where what was a modern
605
00:29:55,042 --> 00:29:59,742
is now a classic, cult classic type
of car, is now just a classic car
606
00:29:59,822 --> 00:30:02,262
along with- Yeah … all these other
vintage cars that are out there.
607
00:30:02,382 --> 00:30:06,942
So again, how is Pebble going to embrace
what I call these mid-period cars now?
608
00:30:07,202 --> 00:30:10,392
Because they're from the late '70s,
you know, the malaise era, the '80s
609
00:30:10,422 --> 00:30:14,572
and the '90s, and even the early 2000s,
there's a lot of great cars in there.
610
00:30:14,581 --> 00:30:17,242
But they're not the same
in terms of luxury, right?
611
00:30:17,282 --> 00:30:17,292
Yeah.
612
00:30:17,322 --> 00:30:18,861
Luxury cars sort of disappeared.
613
00:30:18,902 --> 00:30:22,232
Yeah, there were Maybachs and still
Rolls-Royces and Bentleys and things
614
00:30:22,242 --> 00:30:26,621
like that, but the attention focused
to what became the hypercar now,
615
00:30:26,682 --> 00:30:28,621
which was the supercar then, right?
616
00:30:28,682 --> 00:30:28,861
Yeah.
617
00:30:28,982 --> 00:30:31,400
So that's something that, that the
concours has already been doing.
618
00:30:31,621 --> 00:30:34,302
I mean, we've had McLaren
F1s on the show field.
619
00:30:34,382 --> 00:30:36,502
We've had Ferrari F40s on the show field.
620
00:30:36,861 --> 00:30:41,462
We've had all types of different
newer supercars, if you will.
621
00:30:41,502 --> 00:30:44,222
And that's something that, you
know, in order to stay relevant,
622
00:30:44,242 --> 00:30:47,802
in order to kinda lead the pack,
that's something we had to do.
623
00:30:47,862 --> 00:30:49,701
That's just something
that's gonna continue.
624
00:30:49,722 --> 00:30:52,141
There's a place for many
of these cars, you know?
625
00:30:52,202 --> 00:30:56,042
The real trick is to figure out which
ones are the great ones and which
626
00:30:56,101 --> 00:30:59,782
ones are not, because you still have
to have room on the show field for
627
00:30:59,942 --> 00:31:02,042
all your greats from the past, right?
628
00:31:02,101 --> 00:31:05,442
The Rolls-Royces, the Packards,
the Duesenbergs, the Bugattis.
629
00:31:05,792 --> 00:31:09,172
Those are never going anywhere from
the show field at, at Pebble, right?
630
00:31:09,302 --> 00:31:11,851
What we're doing is we're making
room for the newer greats.
631
00:31:12,282 --> 00:31:16,991
And so that comes in doing exactly
what I was talking about earlier
632
00:31:17,222 --> 00:31:21,610
with my own collecting car hobby,
is learning everything you can about
633
00:31:21,641 --> 00:31:22,942
the car and what makes it great.
634
00:31:23,002 --> 00:31:24,741
Why, why is the McLaren F1 great?
635
00:31:24,762 --> 00:31:29,282
Because it was a clean sheet car that
was built and developed by, you know, a
636
00:31:29,422 --> 00:31:34,851
team that was led by the, one of the best
engineers and designers of our generation.
637
00:31:35,485 --> 00:31:37,966
Using what he learned in Formula 1.
638
00:31:38,265 --> 00:31:38,445
Mm-hmm.
639
00:31:38,765 --> 00:31:40,746
And, and they took it
to Le Mans and they won.
640
00:31:40,785 --> 00:31:42,425
They, they cleaned house with that car.
641
00:31:42,465 --> 00:31:47,166
And, and to do that is just so rare
and is so incredible that, you know,
642
00:31:47,285 --> 00:31:50,385
for someone to say that that car does
not have a place on the show field just
643
00:31:50,445 --> 00:31:51,766
doesn't understand the history of the car.
644
00:31:52,125 --> 00:31:54,305
If you understand the history of
that car and how important it is
645
00:31:54,586 --> 00:31:58,105
and how ahead of its time it was,
everyone would welcome it, right?
646
00:31:58,694 --> 00:32:03,134
Yeah, I, I think our job is to kind of
delve into that history and figure out
647
00:32:03,174 --> 00:32:07,434
which ones are the best ones of their
marks and their makes to have there.
648
00:32:07,494 --> 00:32:10,804
You know, we've had a wedge class, for
example, where it was all the wedge cars
649
00:32:10,834 --> 00:32:14,894
of the '70s that kind of, you know, were
the precursors, were the grandfathers to
650
00:32:14,934 --> 00:32:17,454
these hypercars and supercars you see now.
651
00:32:17,534 --> 00:32:21,764
So it's something that Pebble's been doing
for years, and my job is to continue that
652
00:32:21,854 --> 00:32:23,914
process with some of this newer stuff.
653
00:32:24,014 --> 00:32:26,954
Now, are we gonna see a
Ferrari Luce on the show field?
654
00:32:27,434 --> 00:32:27,874
I don't know.
655
00:32:28,114 --> 00:32:28,814
We'll have to see.
656
00:32:29,214 --> 00:32:32,814
There's a lot of opinions on it right
now, and it's probably a topic for
657
00:32:32,874 --> 00:32:37,434
another podcast, but this is part of
the whole collector car hobby, you know?
658
00:32:37,654 --> 00:32:39,154
Um, it's part of what makes it great.
659
00:32:39,614 --> 00:32:43,894
Not to go down the Luce trail,
but is there, has there been, and
660
00:32:43,974 --> 00:32:48,094
I missed it, I don't know, but is
there a place for EVs at this point?
661
00:32:48,174 --> 00:32:50,794
I mean, the EV, that's not a new concept.
662
00:32:50,854 --> 00:32:53,434
You know, so many people look at
the, the Prius and the, the Tesla.
663
00:32:53,814 --> 00:32:57,044
We've had EVs on the, on the
show field many, many, many years
664
00:32:57,154 --> 00:32:59,994
ago because, you know, some of
the earliest cars were electric.
665
00:33:00,054 --> 00:33:02,454
Tell us about some of those
cars that you had on the field.
666
00:33:02,474 --> 00:33:03,214
What were they?
667
00:33:03,534 --> 00:33:06,834
Oh, man, so I, I can't get into the,
the exact details, but I can tell
668
00:33:06,894 --> 00:33:11,034
you that, you know, in the, in the
early 1900s, I think we had 2,000 car
669
00:33:11,114 --> 00:33:15,474
manufacturers in the US, and a lot of
them were making electric vehicles.
670
00:33:15,714 --> 00:33:18,934
A lot of these electric vehicles were
actually, they were catering towards
671
00:33:19,174 --> 00:33:21,534
females because they're easier to drive.
672
00:33:21,574 --> 00:33:22,754
You, they're not dirty.
673
00:33:22,834 --> 00:33:24,274
They wouldn't get their dresses all dirty.
674
00:33:24,334 --> 00:33:28,054
So they were used as these clean cars
that got around and, you know, for some
675
00:33:28,114 --> 00:33:32,064
reason, the combustion engine cars are
the ones that really grab hold, and
676
00:33:32,074 --> 00:33:33,894
there's many different reasons why.
677
00:33:33,934 --> 00:33:37,334
There are many different industries
that lobbied to push forward
678
00:33:37,344 --> 00:33:40,994
the combustion engine and to, to
kind of kill the EV, if you will.
679
00:33:41,144 --> 00:33:44,394
Uh, electric vehicles have, have
been around for quite a long time.
680
00:33:44,454 --> 00:33:46,734
You know, the question is,
which ones are the right ones?
681
00:33:47,114 --> 00:33:50,174
Are, are you just gonna take a
standard Tesla and put it on the
682
00:33:50,234 --> 00:33:53,154
show field and say that that's
elegant and that belongs there?
683
00:33:53,554 --> 00:33:55,594
I'd say no, that's not
gonna happen, right?
684
00:33:56,034 --> 00:33:58,394
But are there some EVs that
might make their way in?
685
00:33:58,434 --> 00:33:59,714
We'll just have to see.
686
00:33:59,814 --> 00:34:04,594
Earlier, you talked about how the
show field becomes a classroom.
687
00:34:04,754 --> 00:34:05,054
Mm-hmm.
688
00:34:05,094 --> 00:34:07,714
And, and that's for car
enthusiasts of all ages.
689
00:34:07,734 --> 00:34:10,342
But let's hone in on the
younger crowd that, you know,
690
00:34:10,374 --> 00:34:11,833
you wanna bring into the fold.
691
00:34:11,874 --> 00:34:16,074
You wanna mold them and become part
of the Pebble Beach Concours culture.
692
00:34:16,094 --> 00:34:17,884
But let's face the hard facts.
693
00:34:18,154 --> 00:34:21,014
Ticket prices are not cheap.
694
00:34:21,024 --> 00:34:21,034
Yeah.
695
00:34:21,094 --> 00:34:25,034
And so these younger kids wanna
see these more modern cars.
696
00:34:25,054 --> 00:34:27,984
Well, I can go to Cars and Coffee, or
I can go here, and I can go there, and
697
00:34:27,984 --> 00:34:29,264
I don't have to spend the same, right?
698
00:34:29,342 --> 00:34:31,634
'Cause we make those budgetary decisions.
699
00:34:31,854 --> 00:34:35,014
How are you trying to
embrace the younger folks?
700
00:34:35,094 --> 00:34:37,474
How are you trying to make
accommodations for them to come in?
701
00:34:37,814 --> 00:34:41,814
Yeah, so, um, we've, we've got
special programs that we can use in
702
00:34:41,854 --> 00:34:45,694
order to get tickets for youngsters
to come in, and there's a lot of
703
00:34:45,714 --> 00:34:49,181
things you can see Without actually
going to the Concours itself.
704
00:34:49,322 --> 00:34:50,902
You can go to the tour,
and the tour's free.
705
00:34:51,181 --> 00:34:52,562
So you can see all these cars on the tour.
706
00:34:52,601 --> 00:34:54,621
You can see them being used,
see them being displayed.
707
00:34:55,022 --> 00:34:59,102
You can go to Concours Village and
see all the manufacturers' displays
708
00:34:59,142 --> 00:35:01,741
and all, all the different things
we have there and the vendors.
709
00:35:02,082 --> 00:35:05,182
You can go and, and look at all the
Ferraris on the lawn on the, on the
710
00:35:05,221 --> 00:35:10,102
first tee with Casa Ferrari, and you can
go on the Concept Lawn to see all the
711
00:35:10,162 --> 00:35:12,682
concept cars, and this is all, all free.
712
00:35:12,782 --> 00:35:16,842
So, um, it's, it's not the case that,
um, it costs, you know, an incredible
713
00:35:16,882 --> 00:35:20,142
amount of money to come and see
and enjoy and witness these cars.
714
00:35:20,422 --> 00:35:23,562
But on the other side of the coin,
Car Week is not what it used to be.
715
00:35:23,982 --> 00:35:27,362
You know, it's grown into a,
you know, a very, very, very
716
00:35:27,542 --> 00:35:29,062
big- Feels like Car Month.
717
00:35:29,182 --> 00:35:30,721
Yeah, I mean, I mean, it's Car Christmas.
718
00:35:31,082 --> 00:35:33,322
People come from all over the
world and, and for a lot of
719
00:35:33,602 --> 00:35:36,382
people in our community, it's more
important than Christmas, you know?
720
00:35:36,542 --> 00:35:39,032
Probably sacrilegious to say that,
but you know, they, they look
721
00:35:39,062 --> 00:35:42,482
forward to Car Week more than they
look forward to certain holidays.
722
00:35:42,522 --> 00:35:43,422
Let me put it that way.
723
00:35:43,482 --> 00:35:44,892
I'll try and be diplomatic, right?
724
00:35:46,261 --> 00:35:50,822
And so as a, as a company, you, you
have to deal with things like security.
725
00:35:51,302 --> 00:35:52,781
You have to deal with traffic.
726
00:35:53,142 --> 00:35:57,602
You have to deal with all the things
that go into the infrastructure of Car
727
00:35:57,682 --> 00:35:59,642
Week, and those things are expensive.
728
00:35:59,882 --> 00:36:03,462
You, you have to deal with those on
the business side of it, if you will,
729
00:36:03,482 --> 00:36:05,502
which we're, you know, we're talking
about the whole business side of the
730
00:36:05,542 --> 00:36:09,362
Concours and the whole fun side and
the show become a complicated thing.
731
00:36:09,782 --> 00:36:13,442
And you add on another layer, which
is we used to have auto shows.
732
00:36:13,761 --> 00:36:14,302
Remember those?
733
00:36:14,682 --> 00:36:16,182
What happened to the auto show, you know?
734
00:36:16,202 --> 00:36:20,122
We used to be able to go to New York
Auto Show and Chicago Auto Show and Los
735
00:36:20,241 --> 00:36:24,252
Angeles Auto Show and, you know, you'd
see a lot of the cars that we loved as
736
00:36:24,302 --> 00:36:26,221
kids, and that's where they were unveiled.
737
00:36:26,282 --> 00:36:29,122
You know, they had the Geneva Auto
Show, where some of the best cars in
738
00:36:29,142 --> 00:36:30,962
the world were unveiled on the stand.
739
00:36:31,362 --> 00:36:34,241
Come collectors are, "You know, I've
got this car, and this was actually
740
00:36:34,261 --> 00:36:35,842
the car from the Geneva Auto Show.
741
00:36:35,962 --> 00:36:40,122
You know, this is the one that was the
car We don't have those anymore And how
742
00:36:40,142 --> 00:36:42,442
many cars literally got their start there?
743
00:36:42,502 --> 00:36:45,802
Y- you know, you with the love of
Lamborghini- Yep … we all know
744
00:36:45,842 --> 00:36:47,882
the history of that first show.
745
00:36:48,042 --> 00:36:48,322
Exactly.
746
00:36:48,362 --> 00:36:52,062
First show, and if I remember correctly,
and correct me if I'm wrong, I remember
747
00:36:52,382 --> 00:36:57,362
the story that, uh, Lamborghini
forgot to sign up for the show, and
748
00:36:57,402 --> 00:37:01,902
when he did, they had one space left
and it was right next to the bar.
749
00:37:01,942 --> 00:37:04,922
And it was a small space, but
Lamborghini was like, "I'll take it.
750
00:37:05,002 --> 00:37:06,432
That is a great place to be." Why?
751
00:37:06,942 --> 00:37:08,142
Everybody's going to the bar.
752
00:37:08,482 --> 00:37:08,622
Yep.
753
00:37:09,022 --> 00:37:11,562
And how many orders
were filled right there?
754
00:37:11,642 --> 00:37:14,062
I mean, how many car company, it
doesn't matter we're talking Lamborghini
755
00:37:14,122 --> 00:37:15,362
or Chrysler, it doesn't matter.
756
00:37:15,702 --> 00:37:19,002
You show the latest, greatest, people come
up with a checkbook, they wanna sign up.
757
00:37:19,282 --> 00:37:20,382
I miss those days.
758
00:37:20,942 --> 00:37:24,122
So now a lot of that's done,
you know, here during Car Week.
759
00:37:24,422 --> 00:37:28,382
All the manufacturers are here, and this
is where they unveil their new products.
760
00:37:28,752 --> 00:37:34,542
It's become a, a, a behemoth, if you will,
of business and fun all mixed into one.
761
00:37:34,742 --> 00:37:38,242
And you keep mentioning the business
side of this, and I don't think a
762
00:37:38,302 --> 00:37:41,982
lot of people realize, you know,
the business of a concours, but that
763
00:37:42,042 --> 00:37:44,922
also entails having competitors.
764
00:37:44,962 --> 00:37:48,612
So when you think about how massive
Car Week has become, when Don and I
765
00:37:48,622 --> 00:37:53,482
were there together a couple years
ago, we attended 38 events in 10 days.
766
00:37:53,622 --> 00:37:55,602
W- that was just the middle
of the iceberg, right?
767
00:37:55,652 --> 00:37:55,662
Yeah.
768
00:37:55,662 --> 00:37:58,542
There were so many things we couldn't
go to just because scheduling
769
00:37:58,582 --> 00:37:59,752
conflicts and everything else.
770
00:38:00,062 --> 00:38:04,142
But to that end, when you look
at Pebble Beach Concours top
771
00:38:04,182 --> 00:38:05,812
three rivals, who are those?
772
00:38:06,082 --> 00:38:08,942
And how are you guys trying to play
nice in the sandbox, let's just say?
773
00:38:09,002 --> 00:38:12,082
Yeah, I, I don't, I don't, I
wouldn't call it rivals, actually.
774
00:38:12,142 --> 00:38:16,842
Each concours has its own kind of place
in the concours world, if you will.
775
00:38:16,882 --> 00:38:21,132
And maybe it's just feels like that way
for me because we're Pebble Beach, and
776
00:38:21,162 --> 00:38:22,622
we're one of the leaders in the field.
777
00:38:22,682 --> 00:38:25,902
I mean, we're the pinnacle concours
in the world and, you know, it's kind
778
00:38:25,922 --> 00:38:30,292
of always been that way or been that
way for quite a long time And, you
779
00:38:30,313 --> 00:38:32,133
know, we're in an iconic location.
780
00:38:32,593 --> 00:38:36,553
It's a mecca of golf, and it's, you know,
you're on the 18th fairway, which is
781
00:38:36,673 --> 00:38:39,593
famous for many, many different reasons,
and going all the way back to Bing
782
00:38:39,673 --> 00:38:41,473
Crosby playing there with the clambake.
783
00:38:41,513 --> 00:38:45,433
And what, what I've seen is that the
leaders of these concourses actually
784
00:38:45,473 --> 00:38:47,413
are, are friendly with one another.
785
00:38:47,794 --> 00:38:49,252
We go to one another's events.
786
00:38:49,633 --> 00:38:51,374
I just got back from Villa d'Este.
787
00:38:51,433 --> 00:38:54,913
I helped to give out a trophy there
and to select a car for the President's
788
00:38:54,993 --> 00:38:58,252
Trophy, and I, I get along with all
of them, and we're all friend, 'cause
789
00:38:58,313 --> 00:39:00,013
we're all part of the same community.
790
00:39:00,433 --> 00:39:02,654
And there's room for all these events.
791
00:39:02,953 --> 00:39:06,212
People go to the ones they want to go
to for the reasons they wanna go to 'em.
792
00:39:06,493 --> 00:39:09,953
We have more people that wanna
come to our event year after
793
00:39:10,073 --> 00:39:12,114
year than can actually go here.
794
00:39:12,513 --> 00:39:15,794
It's not something where, where, you know,
you have to be territorially, if you will.
795
00:39:16,153 --> 00:39:17,373
And I know where you're
going with that, right?
796
00:39:17,393 --> 00:39:20,573
In, in simple terms, I like cars, you
like cars, we all like cars together.
797
00:39:20,653 --> 00:39:20,833
Yeah.
798
00:39:20,873 --> 00:39:21,712
That, that makes total sense.
799
00:39:21,953 --> 00:39:26,553
With so many other, let's say, top-tier
concourses that have grown up through the
800
00:39:26,614 --> 00:39:30,413
years in the shadow of Pebble, wanting
to be like Pebble- Yeah … doesn't
801
00:39:30,453 --> 00:39:35,752
that give you license then to redefine
what Pebble is or even maybe put up
802
00:39:35,792 --> 00:39:37,513
some guardrails and say, "You know what?
803
00:39:37,752 --> 00:39:41,473
We do elegance really well, and
elegance is defined as X," which
804
00:39:41,553 --> 00:39:44,513
unfortunately pushes out, maybe
alienates some of the newer cars
805
00:39:44,534 --> 00:39:45,593
that we were talking about earlier.
806
00:39:45,653 --> 00:39:50,712
But in your vision, your future vision,
what does Pebble Beach Concours look like?
807
00:39:50,814 --> 00:39:53,692
Yeah, I, I think it just
continues to kinda grow on and
808
00:39:53,732 --> 00:39:55,252
to be what it's always been.
809
00:39:55,333 --> 00:39:59,593
Pebble's always been an event that
accepts the best of the best cars.
810
00:39:59,752 --> 00:40:02,809
You make it on the lawn at Pebble
Beach- You know, you've made it.
811
00:40:02,869 --> 00:40:04,230
You, you don't need to win a trophy.
812
00:40:04,689 --> 00:40:08,209
If you get your car on the lawn at
Pebble Beach, you've already done
813
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:12,189
something that most collectors in the
world have never done and, and, and
814
00:40:12,290 --> 00:40:14,109
most will never even get a chance to do.
815
00:40:14,450 --> 00:40:18,889
Just getting your car on the lawn
means that your car is grouped with
816
00:40:18,970 --> 00:40:24,729
anywhere from 8 to 12 of the best cars
in that class in the entire world.
817
00:40:25,089 --> 00:40:30,790
We've always been able to curate
the best examples of each class year
818
00:40:30,889 --> 00:40:35,249
after year after year, and that's
because we have a great reputation,
819
00:40:35,489 --> 00:40:39,530
great history, and also some of the
best people working on the Concours.
820
00:40:39,769 --> 00:40:43,429
The best judges out there, the best
experts, and the best people on the
821
00:40:43,469 --> 00:40:46,530
selection committee that are out helping
to find these cars and to get them here.
822
00:40:46,909 --> 00:40:49,309
That's something that we're gonna
continue to do and, and continue
823
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:50,689
to be a leader in the field.
824
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:53,629
That's something that I think
other Concours have kind of
825
00:40:53,729 --> 00:40:54,870
seen as, as a good thing.
826
00:40:55,249 --> 00:41:00,129
We wanna get the best cars as well, and
we wanna have rigorous, disciplined,
827
00:41:00,589 --> 00:41:05,030
strict judging with real rules so
that when you win Pebble Beach,
828
00:41:05,149 --> 00:41:08,469
everyone knows that that's the best
car in that class without a doubt.
829
00:41:08,809 --> 00:41:10,789
Some Concours out there,
they're not like that.
830
00:41:10,809 --> 00:41:12,530
You know, they have
different types of judging.
831
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:16,469
They have popular judging or what
you will, so you, you might win a,
832
00:41:16,509 --> 00:41:20,289
an award, top award from another
Concours, but it doesn't mean it was
833
00:41:20,329 --> 00:41:23,689
the best car there because they don't
have the same judging standards.
834
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:25,269
That's something that's
very important to me.
835
00:41:25,289 --> 00:41:28,589
It's important to the Concours
to, to adhere to those strict
836
00:41:28,649 --> 00:41:30,149
standards and to continue that.
837
00:41:30,469 --> 00:41:35,589
Then for some people who want to
try to get their car on the lawn, I
838
00:41:35,609 --> 00:41:37,869
mean, do they pick up the phone and
say, "Hey, I got a great Duesenberg"?
839
00:41:37,969 --> 00:41:38,829
How do they do that?
840
00:41:39,070 --> 00:41:40,149
Yeah, they go to the website.
841
00:41:40,430 --> 00:41:42,049
That's where they can get the application.
842
00:41:42,129 --> 00:41:43,129
Anyone can apply.
843
00:41:43,210 --> 00:41:44,929
Anyone with any car can apply.
844
00:41:45,070 --> 00:41:45,449
Mm-hmm.
845
00:41:45,489 --> 00:41:50,910
And a lot do Application form talks about
the different classes and the special
846
00:41:50,970 --> 00:41:52,689
classes that'll be there that year.
847
00:41:52,729 --> 00:41:55,449
And, um, you know, you can figure
out which class that your car fits
848
00:41:55,489 --> 00:41:58,529
into, and, you know, you write down
all the reasons why it's a special
849
00:41:58,589 --> 00:42:01,809
car, and it's a great car, and you
include photos, and you submit it.
850
00:42:01,869 --> 00:42:04,249
And if you're selected, then
you get to bring it here
851
00:42:04,289 --> 00:42:05,549
and, uh, be part of the show.
852
00:42:05,949 --> 00:42:08,669
You know, you mentioned something about
the special classes, or what I like to
853
00:42:08,709 --> 00:42:14,010
call the featured marque, and I really was
impressed at how that changes every year.
854
00:42:14,049 --> 00:42:16,249
Especially last year, Shelby
was the featured marque, right?
855
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:18,929
And so that was super cool as we
had worked with Aaron Shelby on a
856
00:42:18,989 --> 00:42:20,269
project together and things like that.
857
00:42:20,489 --> 00:42:23,549
And so I was wondering, is it sort
of like the Olympic Committee?
858
00:42:23,710 --> 00:42:26,609
You already know, like, years in
advance what the featured marque is?
859
00:42:26,649 --> 00:42:28,870
Or is it, how do you guys organize,
how do you figure that out?
860
00:42:28,889 --> 00:42:29,989
Yeah, kind of.
861
00:42:30,229 --> 00:42:34,589
You know, certain classes are very,
very, very difficult to put together.
862
00:42:34,629 --> 00:42:39,309
And, and, and I'll, I'll go back 40 years
into what I think was the most difficult
863
00:42:39,370 --> 00:42:42,109
class ever, which was the Bugatti Royales.
864
00:42:42,350 --> 00:42:48,549
Bugatti Royales were incredibly expensive,
and I think it was 1985, Pebble Beach
865
00:42:48,629 --> 00:42:52,529
was able to assemble every single
Bugatti Royale that was made, and it was
866
00:42:52,669 --> 00:42:54,849
on the lawn at the 18th Pebble Beach.
867
00:42:55,209 --> 00:42:58,809
Happened one time, the only time
they've been together, and it's
868
00:42:58,829 --> 00:43:01,449
probably gonna be the only time it
ever happens in the world, because
869
00:43:01,510 --> 00:43:05,669
now they're scattered at different
collections, most of them in Europe.
870
00:43:05,709 --> 00:43:09,960
And the prices of those cars is so
astronomical- That shipping them,
871
00:43:10,330 --> 00:43:14,090
it's another world how expensive it
is because of the insurance mainly.
872
00:43:14,110 --> 00:43:18,180
But to get all those Bugattis together
on the field, one of the cars was
873
00:43:18,290 --> 00:43:20,290
actually in, I think, Germany.
874
00:43:20,570 --> 00:43:24,090
Person who owned the car, I, I think
the government had kind of seized
875
00:43:24,130 --> 00:43:28,030
the cars because, you know, there
was an allegation that there was some
876
00:43:28,110 --> 00:43:32,470
tax issues or some, uh, nefarious
activity in, in, in, with money, right?
877
00:43:32,570 --> 00:43:34,790
So the car was seized by the government.
878
00:43:35,130 --> 00:43:38,030
So this is one of the Bugattis
that came in for the Concourse.
879
00:43:38,310 --> 00:43:43,600
But in order to get it in, once it
left the country, that person could
880
00:43:43,610 --> 00:43:46,440
potentially make a claim against
the car saying, "Hey, this was
881
00:43:46,490 --> 00:43:49,810
improperly seized, and it shouldn't
have been seized and, and therefore
882
00:43:49,850 --> 00:43:51,000
should be given back to me," right?
883
00:43:51,610 --> 00:43:56,620
So they had to get basically diplomatic
rights for the car to bring it in
884
00:43:56,670 --> 00:44:00,150
here so that it was immune from
that type of thing, and that was
885
00:44:00,170 --> 00:44:01,370
done through the federal government.
886
00:44:01,570 --> 00:44:04,850
So y- the amount that had to
be done in order to bring those
887
00:44:04,930 --> 00:44:08,440
cars… And this was 1985 when the
world was a lot less complicated,
888
00:44:08,510 --> 00:44:09,810
I would argue, than it is now.
889
00:44:10,220 --> 00:44:14,910
And so to put that class together
took years of work, negotiation,
890
00:44:15,110 --> 00:44:18,950
preparation, funding, and that's
something that, you know, Pebble's
891
00:44:18,970 --> 00:44:20,050
been doing for years and years.
892
00:44:20,110 --> 00:44:25,850
So yeah, there's classes that we're
prepping for 2028, 2029, 2030.
893
00:44:26,270 --> 00:44:27,570
Can I tell you what those ones are?
894
00:44:27,650 --> 00:44:27,910
No.
895
00:44:28,270 --> 00:44:30,950
You're gonna have to find
out like everyone else.
896
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:32,110
But I can tell you they're gonna be great.
897
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:34,530
Well, you are gonna be king for a day.
898
00:44:34,650 --> 00:44:39,140
If Vince could have his own class, would
it be a Lamborghini Miura class, or is
899
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:42,650
there something else you personally,
and I know it's decided by committee,
900
00:44:42,930 --> 00:44:46,810
but that you personally want to see
on the lawn at some point at Pebble?
901
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:48,730
Yeah, there have been Miura classes.
902
00:44:48,750 --> 00:44:51,090
I've seen, you know, Miuras
on the lawn for years.
903
00:44:51,110 --> 00:44:54,570
That's something that's not… Actually,
for the first time, we're actually
904
00:44:54,590 --> 00:44:56,740
gonna have cars on the third fairway.
905
00:44:57,130 --> 00:45:01,730
We're opening up the entire third fairway
to Lamborghini because it's the 60th
906
00:45:01,770 --> 00:45:03,450
anniversary of the Lamborghini Miura.
907
00:45:03,590 --> 00:45:07,470
So we're gonna have a huge gathering
of Miuras all on the third lawn this
908
00:45:07,550 --> 00:45:12,270
year, and we're hoping to have the
largest gathering ever of Miuras.
909
00:45:12,410 --> 00:45:16,020
I think the largest one before
this was 30 cars, and we're looking
910
00:45:16,030 --> 00:45:18,710
to beat that, and I think we have
a very good chance of doing it.
911
00:45:18,750 --> 00:45:22,950
But to say, you know, which other
class, I, I just wanna have interesting
912
00:45:23,010 --> 00:45:28,610
classes of cars that people are gonna
love and that maybe have never been
913
00:45:28,650 --> 00:45:32,070
together and may never be together
again for various different reasons.
914
00:45:32,110 --> 00:45:35,399
As long as we continue to do
that, I'll be happy and, and
915
00:45:35,470 --> 00:45:36,429
I'll think that's a good thing.
916
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:40,790
Eric, I just wanna say, I, I think-
Nope … you know, Vince, I speak
917
00:45:40,850 --> 00:45:43,150
for a lot of us when I bring this up.
918
00:45:43,350 --> 00:45:43,510
Nope.
919
00:45:43,810 --> 00:45:48,270
At some point, I think you need to
have a Chrysler TC by Maserati class.
920
00:45:48,410 --> 00:45:49,130
I just do.
921
00:45:49,170 --> 00:45:50,030
T by Maserati.
922
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:50,850
That's it.
923
00:45:51,986 --> 00:45:54,566
Best car ever made right there
You gotta get it through the
924
00:45:54,606 --> 00:45:55,866
selection committee, right?
925
00:45:55,946 --> 00:45:58,666
So the way it works is people
submit their applications.
926
00:45:58,986 --> 00:46:01,226
The applications all go to
the selection committee.
927
00:46:01,546 --> 00:46:04,276
Selection committee is made up
of members of the car community.
928
00:46:04,625 --> 00:46:08,616
They're some of the most renowned
experts in all these different marks,
929
00:46:08,646 --> 00:46:12,616
and we meet together one time at the
beginning of the year, and we go through
930
00:46:12,726 --> 00:46:16,526
all the applications, and we decide
which cars are gonna be accepted and
931
00:46:16,546 --> 00:46:18,226
which cars are not gonna be accepted.
932
00:46:18,286 --> 00:46:21,506
And then at the end of the selection
committee, we talk about the
933
00:46:21,566 --> 00:46:24,206
classes that we're gonna maybe
wanna have for the next year.
934
00:46:24,606 --> 00:46:27,926
So someone in the, in the selection
committee s- could say, "Hey, Chrysler
935
00:46:28,006 --> 00:46:31,446
TC is the best car ever made, you
know, they should have stopped in
936
00:46:31,486 --> 00:46:36,566
1989 because they won. We could
just focus on airplanes or something
937
00:46:36,625 --> 00:46:38,966
because the car was won back then."
938
00:46:40,066 --> 00:46:43,856
And if, you know, a lot of people on the
selection committee agree, yeah, then,
939
00:46:43,886 --> 00:46:45,806
then you'll see a Chrysler TC class.
940
00:46:45,866 --> 00:46:49,646
If you were to ask me the odds of that,
I'd probably be wagering against it.
941
00:46:50,186 --> 00:46:55,186
For my Chrysler TC people out there, what
Vince is trying to say is that, for lack
942
00:46:55,206 --> 00:46:57,226
of a better word, bribery goes a long way.
943
00:46:57,346 --> 00:46:58,406
Uh, yeah, okay.
944
00:46:59,206 --> 00:47:00,246
A lot of bribery.
945
00:47:00,646 --> 00:47:00,826
Yeah.
946
00:47:01,486 --> 00:47:06,806
So Vince, as we begin to close this out,
I wanna pose the question that goes kind
947
00:47:06,846 --> 00:47:09,946
of contrary to what you said earlier,
right, especially during your interview
948
00:47:09,966 --> 00:47:14,746
process, which is, don't talk to the guy
that's all about change, change, change.
949
00:47:14,816 --> 00:47:14,826
Yeah.
950
00:47:14,826 --> 00:47:18,276
But as you take over Pebble Beach
Concours, what are some of the things,
951
00:47:18,346 --> 00:47:22,726
if you can share, that you do want to
change, that you're actively looking to
952
00:47:22,986 --> 00:47:25,086
make better for everybody at Pebble Beach?
953
00:47:25,506 --> 00:47:26,206
Nothing huge.
954
00:47:26,646 --> 00:47:27,706
You know, nothing huge.
955
00:47:27,786 --> 00:47:29,816
I mean, there's not, you know,
you're, you're not gonna have this big
956
00:47:29,816 --> 00:47:33,746
groundbreaking, you know, we're gonna
completely upend it and, and, and retool
957
00:47:33,786 --> 00:47:35,696
the whole thing and … Just small things.
958
00:47:36,046 --> 00:47:39,646
Figuring out h- how to bring in some
of the newer cars because, you know,
959
00:47:39,686 --> 00:47:43,886
the focus is big concentration on these
newer cars right now, and so to figure
960
00:47:43,966 --> 00:47:49,526
out a way to do that so that you don't
have 40 red F40s on the show field,
961
00:47:49,606 --> 00:47:51,206
you know, which is not interesting.
962
00:47:51,306 --> 00:47:52,446
It's not fun.
963
00:47:52,526 --> 00:47:53,746
It's, it's not what we do.
964
00:47:54,166 --> 00:47:58,686
So how to, how to tweak the classes and
how to bring in classes so that you're
965
00:47:58,746 --> 00:48:02,466
accepting these new cars, finding a place
for them, bringing in new collectors
966
00:48:02,645 --> 00:48:05,965
while still respecting all the other
classes and, and having a place for those.
967
00:48:06,366 --> 00:48:09,526
Well, Vince, with that, we've reached
the part of the episode where I like to
968
00:48:09,566 --> 00:48:12,866
invite our guests to share any shout-outs,
thank yous, promotions, or anything
969
00:48:12,906 --> 00:48:14,246
else that we haven't covered thus far.
970
00:48:14,826 --> 00:48:17,426
So it's the 75th anniversary
this year of the Concourse.
971
00:48:17,626 --> 00:48:21,186
It's the longest continual
Concourse, uh, if you will.
972
00:48:21,645 --> 00:48:24,326
There are some other Concourses that
may have started earlier, but they
973
00:48:24,366 --> 00:48:26,806
had huge 10, 20, 30 year breaks.
974
00:48:27,166 --> 00:48:29,626
Me doing this for 75 years
is a real special thing.
975
00:48:29,666 --> 00:48:31,666
We've got a great class of cars.
976
00:48:32,026 --> 00:48:34,206
If you've never been to the
Concourse in Pebble Beach, it's
977
00:48:34,246 --> 00:48:37,926
something that should be on every
car guy's bucket list, and gals.
978
00:48:38,609 --> 00:48:41,889
In a world where the collector
car landscape is always shifting,
979
00:48:42,029 --> 00:48:46,010
conversations like this remind
us why stewardship matters.
980
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:51,729
Vince Finaldi steps into Pebble Beach
not as a disruptor, but as a caretaker,
981
00:48:52,149 --> 00:48:57,249
someone shaped by lineage, sharpened by
experience, and grounded by the belief
982
00:48:57,309 --> 00:48:59,549
that the Concours is a living tradition.
983
00:48:59,930 --> 00:49:01,930
His vision isn't about reinvention.
984
00:49:02,169 --> 00:49:05,889
It's about thoughtful evolution,
the kind that keeps history alive
985
00:49:05,949 --> 00:49:09,770
while opening the door for the
next generation of enthusiasts.
986
00:49:10,109 --> 00:49:14,469
And as we look ahead to what Pebble
Beach Concours becomes under Vince's
987
00:49:14,530 --> 00:49:16,629
leadership, one thing is clear.
988
00:49:16,909 --> 00:49:20,289
The passion that brought him into
the garage all those years ago is
989
00:49:20,329 --> 00:49:24,269
the same passion guiding him now,
and that's exactly the kind of energy
990
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:25,929
that keeps this community vibrant.
991
00:49:26,229 --> 00:49:30,449
And if you want to explore more about the
Concours culture, automotive preservation,
992
00:49:30,589 --> 00:49:34,870
or the future of car collecting, be
sure to visit pebblebeachconcours.com.
993
00:49:35,329 --> 00:49:37,530
So with that, Vince, I can't
thank you enough for joining us on
994
00:49:37,629 --> 00:49:41,869
BreakFix and sharing the story behind
this new chapter at Pebble Beach.
995
00:49:42,109 --> 00:49:44,969
It's not every day you get to hear
directly from the person stepping
996
00:49:45,069 --> 00:49:48,449
into one of the most influential
roles in the collector car world.
997
00:49:48,849 --> 00:49:52,109
And your openness about its lineage,
your leadership in the future of the
998
00:49:52,169 --> 00:49:55,910
Concours is gonna make Pebble truly
something special to see, and I'm
999
00:49:55,969 --> 00:49:57,230
happy we're here to see it happen.
1000
00:49:57,410 --> 00:49:57,849
So thank you.
1001
00:49:58,109 --> 00:49:58,309
Thanks.
1002
00:49:58,349 --> 00:49:58,969
Thanks for having me.
1003
00:49:59,010 --> 00:50:01,729
I look forward to coming back
and talking with you guys with
1004
00:50:01,749 --> 00:50:03,269
new updates in the future.
1005
00:50:03,309 --> 00:50:03,869
Any time.
1006
00:50:03,889 --> 00:50:04,969
You're welcome back any time.
1007
00:50:05,029 --> 00:50:06,090
All righty.
1008
00:50:10,493 --> 00:50:14,053
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