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John Summers is the motoring historian.
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He was a company car thrashing technology
sales rep that turned into a fairly inept
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sports bike rider hailing from California.
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He collects cars and bikes
built with plenty of cheap and
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fast and not much reliable.
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On his show, he gets together with
various co-hosts to talk about new
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and old cars driving motorbikes,
motor racing, and motoring travel.
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Good day.
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Good morning, good afternoon.
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It is John Summers, the motoring
historian, the last Vegas Concord Ance.
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I know Elegance and Las Vegas perhaps
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oxymoronic, but.
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Cars in Vegas.
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Oh, that really works, doesn't it?
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Cars in Vegas.
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The whole fact that the collector car
world started in, in my mind, sure.
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On the East coast with the Hershey
people, but on the west coast out here,
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certainly north, it's the casino magnet.
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Bill Harra.
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That when I was at the Blackhawk,
so many of ha of, of the Blackhawk
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cars had at one point been in, in
the Hara collection and he, he really
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was a colossus in, in the hobby.
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And, and therefore it's applicable, right?
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That a big casino town has a car show.
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And let's be clear, right, the Las
Vegas Concord, I hadn't realized this
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when I rocked up there, but you know,
having driven my half million mile.
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F two 50 diesel powerstroke pickup truck
down the main strait of the Las Vegas
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Grand Prix with the barriers up and so on.
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Thinking, you know, wow, I too
might be pastry or Norris, or.
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Lando, did they name him after
Lando Calvion in Star Wars?
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That is the question, isn't it?
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I think they did.
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He's aged about right, isn't he?
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Were his parents Star Wars people?
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Is he named after a
character in Star Wars?
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Is that cool or is that idiotic?
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The event is organized by the win.
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They comped me and, and the other
people who came and, and were docent
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volunteers, they, they comped us rooms.
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I really wanna thank them for that because
it's really was an, an awesome event.
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And you know, I mentioned that the
Grand Prix took place in a few weeks.
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I hadn't realized that in between the
Concor and the Grand Prix is sema.
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So there really is a sort of motor
fest at Las Vegas, and it's not one
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of these, like where even at Monterey,
you know, pebble Beach, you need
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a car to get around, everything's
like distributed, but you could have
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just stayed in your hotel room for.
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Two weeks and done all three events.
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Like everything is right there.
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And that really is the theme of Vegas
actually as, as a show because the
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fact that your room is, you know,
or be it a Vegas walk away, so you
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know, a five or 10 minute walk.
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But nonetheless it is a walk away
from the show field, show fields.
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I should say, and let's talk about that
in just a moment, but the fact that the
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show fields are walkable, that there's
plenty of car parking, there's many, many
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hotels rooms within walking distance of
the show field, it actually makes Vegas
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absolutely ideal to host a concore.
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It's as simple as even if you are not
somebody who has a collector car, it's
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not a huge jump of imagination to feel
like or to have had that experience
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where you're gonna take the car to
the show, but your significant other's
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not that interested and the dog or the
kid or whatever's just a lot of extra
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schlep and you're like, you know what?
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I'm just not gonna bother going.
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Because I don't wanna leave
the significant other at home
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with a dog or kid situation.
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I just, I'm just, you know,
it's, this is a pleasure event.
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I'm just not gonna go.
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If you can have a hotel room
nearby, how much more accessible
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is it with the whole dog?
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A kid, significant other who wants
to wear shoes that are ridiculous,
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but that means she can't walk pro.
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You know, all of that stuff.
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Right.
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These are issues which I would
say most car guys collect.
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I don't wanna generalize, there's
plenty of women car guys, but you
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know, probably their significant others
aren't that interested in in cars or
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might not be that interested in cars.
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The point is, right, that if the
casino's right there, if there's all
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the entertainment of Vegas right there,
if you could just go back to your.
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Room and like it's easy to
take a pee and take your shoes
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off and all of that, right?
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It's absolutely huge and it
makes the event really completely
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different event from any other
one that, that I've been to.
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So, as I say, it, uh, wins.
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Organize the, the event I,
I stayed at the Wynn Hotel.
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They did comp me.
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I had to pay the room charge and the
discharge and the, that charge and,
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and I really appreciate them doing it.
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And they did a superlative job
in terms of, of organization.
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So I said show fields, didn't I?
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Yeah.
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Show fields.
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There is an area which I did my tours
around, which resembles Pebble Beach.
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Might almost be Pebble
Beach in some highlights.
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You know, there was, uh, pebble
Beach winning Gaia this year.
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There was some nice American cars,
there was some nice pre-war cars.
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There was some nice sort of Europe,
you know, Maza, ferragine, Gini types.
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You know, there there was, there
was that kind of stuff around.
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There was some nice
jaguars knocking round.
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So you had the same kind of experience.
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I would say that you have, not so much
at Pebble Beach, but certainly the event
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that I'm personally involved in, that
I'm chief docent of now, surprisingly
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and absurdly, and I've simply a.
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There's a function of poor Wayne
Craig passing, but the Hillsborough
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event is a fairly small number of
cars, and it's a local event, but
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it draws a very high caliber of car.
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And the Vegas event was almost like that.
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There weren't a lot of cars, but.
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In the PWA beachy part, there were, uh,
some really high quality, nice ones,
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much, much better cars than you would
ever see at, uh, local cars and coffee.
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With the rise of vste, I feel like
it, it's shown that there is room
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for more events than the traditional
Pebble Beach and Abil Ryland.
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I feel like there is room
for, uh, more than that.
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I feel like what Vegas has done
really effectively is look at
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the supercar crowd and say, you
know, what can we do to elevate.
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The supercar, hypercar
crowd, people's experience.
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And of course, if you've just spent
a million dollars on a Ferrari
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and then you see there's another
Ferrari that's worth 35 million or 50
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million, or maybe even more than that,
you're naturally peak to understand
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why that car might be worth more.
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And what the Vegas event is set up to
do is to provide that kind of tutorial.
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And certainly that was what
I looked to facilitate.
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The people were Vegas, really Vegas.
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And I would say that one of the,
the guys that I, I worked with who's
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chief to in uh, pebble now said to
me, you know, a lot of the people that
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you do tours for, I bet you most of
'em have never been to a car show.
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Before, probably half of 'em
never been to a car show.
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And those that have, have not been
to a kind of point judged pebble,
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beachy kind of car show, which as
I say, the Pebble beach style show
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field was that it was points and,
and judged and, and, and so on.
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And indeed, you know,
he was absolutely right.
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My experience was the, the people who
were coming round were people who, you
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know, who were in Vegas and who were
interested in cars and were, were car
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people, but they definitely weren't
Pebble Beach kind kind of of people.
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So, so there was a really cool
kind of education going on.
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And of course, um, these.
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Kind of people are, I mean, one of the,
one of my guests, uh, she had an eye
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patch that had a picture of an eye on it.
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So it was quite disconcerting talking
with her because she had like sunglasses
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on and the eye patch and the, yeah,
husband, uh, lots of gold jewelry and
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yeah, just welcome to Las Vegas, just a
very, you know, Las Vegas kind of feel.
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So it was really fun
doing that in terms of.
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The people and the cars, but I've just
talked about the pebble, beachy kind
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of show field right at the foot of
the wind, like right off the strip.
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They've not just got this one field,
they've got like three or four.
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One field was just Lamborghinis.
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It was like you'd sort of, you
know, you crusted a rise and then
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there was a field of Lamborghinis.
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And I don't mean like, you know, a
dozen, oh, I wanna over exaggerate.
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Probably 50 cars.
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You know, I would be surprised
if it was less than 50 cars.
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Certainly comfortably in
excess of two dozen cars.
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And of course what that allay builds
you to do if you are a enthusiast
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is compare and contrast and, and
that's unique and and valuable.
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Now to have that would've been
awesome, but to then have two
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or perhaps three more fields.
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That have pans and bugattis and, and then
a sort of manufacturer kind of area, you
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know, Gunter works and over Finch and you
know, those kind of like braas, you know,
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for whatever brand kind of guys don't
wanna knock that if that's your thing.
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Guess I'd love to have that much money to
be able to, you know, spun that much on
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a special version of a, of another car.
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Why am I doubtful?
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I mean, I had a student who
worked at Gun to Works, I'd
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never even heard of them before.
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And, you know, the front end
treatment is my, my, isn't it?
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And I happen not to like what
the going to works look for
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the front end of Porsches, but.
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You know, whatever, each of
their own happy, the, you know.
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But this is the kind of people
who were at the, the Vegas show.
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I think Paani launched a new
car or something like that.
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I might you include some pictures of it.
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'cause there was one car that he seemed
to be on stage talking about at one point
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when I was coming to and from the show
field after one of my tours and the car
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was like in the reception of the hotel,
faintly reminiscent of one of the Ford.
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Lamar cars, I might interrupt
myself and record a little bit,
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but I, I wanna say, is it the J
car or was it the Ford three liter?
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There was a matchbox model of it.
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That's when I knew about the car.
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I don't think it was that successful,
but you know, by that time, matchbox
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had committed to doing the model.
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So sort of, you know, the car through
the model, even though the real
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car didn't race anywhere near as.
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Successful.
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The GT 40, I can't remember the
exact, but this is what that PA
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looks like with a kind of fishy
high tail, like swoopy high tail.
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Editor.
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John's here to tell you
it's the four three liter.
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Um, apparently it was built by Alan
Mann and there is a matchbox model
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of it linked to the Matchbox model.
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So a photograph of the actual car,
which does look, uh, a bit fishy
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and I think does have proportions
that are reminiscent of the pagani
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that I'll, uh, I'll add a picture.
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Quite appeal.
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Quite appealing, although
obviously I'd rather have the
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real race car, wouldn't you?
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I was fundamentally blown away by the fact
that, that there was so much stuff there.
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The Bugatti field.
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I mean, my God, there was
some crazy statistic like 53.
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Bugatti Veron imported into the
US and of those, like 50 of them
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or 33 imported into the us and of
them, 30 of them were at the show.
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So that was pretty stu fine.
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Really.
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I mean, I'm not a modern
hypercar kind of person.
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But the spectacle of
that is a Stu Fine thing.
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And you know, as somebody who's not
looked closely at them before, it's
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pretty awesome to be able to compare the
different evolutions of, of Veron and then
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sheron and, you know, so, so this is quite
an interesting thing, I I, I this modern.
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Volkswagen design.
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I find it very iterative.
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It's like in your mind, today's Audis
look the same as ones from 20 years ago,
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but they don't, they've like tweaked and
changed and evolved and, you know, they
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retained the brand values whilst modern.
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I, I do feel like that has
gone on with Bugatti as well.
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And it, it's awesome to see, but it's
also a bit Germanic and mechanical
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and not the way that I feel like, you
know, it's, it's not the way Gandini.
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Design the Diablo is a, it's
did you design the Diablo, but
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I mean the counteract, but you
understand what I'm driving at.
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In that period, design was done.
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Great flair and passion.
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It's not the way SC Etti did
the original Ferrari, GTO is it.
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So you know, I mean, call me.
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Old fashioned, right?
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The rustle and the paper signifies
that I'm actually taking up my paper
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to, uh, talk through after 16 minutes
of just absolute off the cuff drl.
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So the first note that I had here was,
this is concourse, but Vegas style.
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And I think I've conveyed that already.
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The judged lawn.
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Pebble winning car was the Mercedes,
I'm not sure if it's an SSK, but SS
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Mercedes, like twenties Mercedes.
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That was ordered new by Lord Howe, the
sort of patron of British motorsport.
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So my sort of tour piece was
around the whole notion of, you
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know, the unelected representative
who takes it upon himself to.
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Take on a cause in this case, motor
sport and really drive that forward.
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And, and Lord, how is, when you look
at the political history of motoring
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in Britain, rarely for the first, like
50 or 60 years, rarely does he not,
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does he not sort of get a mention so.
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I've gotta believe that when
he bought this Mercedes, it was
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kind of a, a no thine enemy.
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I mean, he sat in the, the
House of laws, which is the
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equivalent of the British Senate.
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But as I say, Lords aren't voted.
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They just like inherit the titles so well.
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Some are, some aren't.
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But you know, in that
period, a lot of them.
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You know, and in his case, he inherited
the tightly, he didn't do anything,
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you know, to become a Lord unique
because it was bodied in Britain.
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Um, it has a very British kind
of, of style to its super rakish.
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I put a photograph that I took of the.
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Pontoon, it's kind of a step,
it's kind of a storage container
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on the side of the car.
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It's just a beautiful piece of art.
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But as I say, I really feel like it's,
uh, the case of no thine enemy, that
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this was Lord how very much saying
to Bentley and Rolls Royce, look,
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this is what the Germans can do.
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We need to be able to do better than this.
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And uh, you know, he was a keen racer.
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So, you know, you, you
know, the car was exercised.
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So more recently it's, I think
it's owned by John Shirley.
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I'll delete myself out if I'm wrong.
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Alright.
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I just leave myself in
there to confuse posterity.
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The point is, he's had a beautiful
restoration on it and the fact
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that he's ready to enter a car,
that one Pebble, B Jack, the Las
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Vegas Concor, I mean, it just gave.
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It's a beautiful way to anchor your tour
and of course most of the people walking
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past it don't have a Scooby-Doo what it
is and especially when it's parked up
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opposite a row of modern Formula one cars.
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I mean, this is amusing actually.
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People will walk in straight past the
how Mercedes and we're gushing over
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the sort of Shum me era, F three 10.
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I think that's the designation,
but a sort of, you know.
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20 ish, 15, 20 ish year old
Ferrari Formula one car.
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And of course, nowadays they're
like, everyone's like, Ooh, the V 10.
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What you're struck by now is how bloody
big the modern cars are next to it.
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It looks like a Formula Three
car, basically in comparison
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to a modern Formula one car.
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But look.
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Right.
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That was another thing that was bloody
awesome about the show, is that they
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didn't just have a few, they seemed
to have like half the grid of modern
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Formula One cars and it's really a,
an an impressive kind of display.
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I mean, I guess easy, right?
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'cause the Grand Prix coming up, I
hadn't really thought that through
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before, but really just the very
juxtaposition of the pebble winner and.
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Michael's Formula One car
and modern Formula one cars.
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I mean, that was what I felt was
special about the Vegas event.
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So I said I drove over in
the F two 50 power stroke.
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I mean, it's 1500 miles on a weekend.
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I mean his total trial by fire because
like a halfway, I ran the thing out
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of gas not long after I bought it, and
then had to purge the low gas line,
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the diesel lines and all of that.
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So.
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Actually just within the last 24 hours.
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I'm recording this a long time After this
road trip, months after the road trip.
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It's like January now.
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When this event was sort of November
or October or something of last
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year, it's had some fueling problem
now it's not running right now.
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Bloody F two 50.
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Well, anyway, I, I ran out of gas,
fixed that, and then was like, right, I
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just have to trial by fire this thing.
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So I drove it to Vegas and back, and I
drove by Mono Lake and that kind of way.
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I took like a, almost a like direct route.
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Drove across Yosemite.
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Really, really awesome drive.
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The truck only seems big.
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The city, right.
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When you're in a, it's, it's a
crew cab long bed and it only
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seems big when you're in the city.
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Like when you're just driving along.
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Normally it's fine, but when you
like get into Vegas and then have
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to park at one casino and it's a
massive hike and normally it'd be
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fine 'cause you travel light, but.
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Now you're doing a concord,
you've got like multiple pairs of
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nice shoes and you know, jackets
and all of, of that bollocks.
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So I, I had to leave the truck parked
up, not miles away, but like a long way.
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I mean, it, I basically, I spent one,
I wouldn't say whole day, but I spent a
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good two or three hours just 'cause it
was like a 20 minute walk from my room.
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To the truck and back and I couldn't
carry all the stuff in one go, so I
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was like hiking backwards and forwards.
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So it was really Betty
Salick, let me tell you.
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That was really annoying.
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And uh, but it's my own
stupid fault, right?
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For driving a giant truck.
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And it probably would've fitted
in the other car parking.
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But, you know, you don't
want get it stuck, do you?
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I mean, it's like driving in
past the barrier and then it
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getting stuck on the ramp.
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You know, you just like.
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So the night before the Concor,
we were invited to a party and
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the party was shortly after we'd
done our pre-show field walk.
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And that's usual when you do the pre-show
field walk, not all the cars there.
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And in this case we did the pre-show
field walk the night before.
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So it's pretty cool as it broad
arrow or RM or one of them
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were doing auctions there.
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So whilst I was waiting
to meet the others.
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Right there in the hotel, in the
middle of the hotel was like a
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full on like Italian job spec.
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Old English white mini really looked good.
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Rarely have I lost it after a
mini more, it was in exactly my
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specification, you know, mark one
external hinges, Minna light wheels.
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But then somebody had put big taillights
on it and it just offended me.
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It just offended me completely.
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I was like, Ew.
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Like.
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Get out of town.
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Like you've gotta do the small,
delicate taillights, the outsides, the
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plexiglass, the details have to be right.
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I just wanna say British people,
this business of fitting black and
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white plates, like when I say old
fashioned, I mean like from the sixties,
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black plates with silver letters
on them, on cars from the 1970s.
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Like anything later than.
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A sort of J or K plate car that
has to be a plastic number plate.
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If you've got an R or a V or a W
red car, like a nine eighties escort
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XR three, that car needs to have
a yellow number plate at the back.
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It's just, it just does it
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party the night before?
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I digress.
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I was on the show field, wasn't I, you
know, I was talking about pottering
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around the show field the night before,
and I almost didn't go to the party.
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I wanted to like show my face and I, and I
wanted to, you know, mingle a little bit.
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And so it, it made sense to,
uh, to Potter down there.
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Oh, the people like, oh wow.
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I had a number of really interesting
small talkie conversations with people.
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And they were very vegasy
kind of interactions.
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You know, it was fun, but I
can't remember a single thing
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they said or or anything about.
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And there's one woman that I
spoke to who was taller than me.
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I remember speaking to
her for a little bit.
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I was with a guy, pebble chief docent
guy, and he's an imposing looking
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guys like silver beard and silver
hair and broad shoulder and tall.
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He had a gold jacket on.
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So, uh, this guy rocks up.
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He's wearing this like green snake skin
kind of jacket and I can't remember
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what his role was, but he has, he
was basically like, you know, they
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compared notes on having loud jackets.
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And then we got talking to the guy and
he has this lovely, oh, in fact, I mean,
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I'll, I'll include a picture of the car.
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I've seen the car at Lahore as well.
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He has the.
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NY Lamborghini, I think
it's a three 50 or a 400 gt.
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It was actually used for any kind of
motor sport, so it has like a semi
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kind of racing spec thing on it.
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I wasn't convinced by the car before.
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It was cool and all, but it, I
wasn't convinced by the actual
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motor sport history, the guy's
passion, overwrote, all of that.
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For me, the guy's passion for Lamborghinis
in general, overwrote, all that.
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And I, and I walked away thinking, I
mean, Ken, like you do with Lamborghinis,
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like, well, maybe it's not for me,
but like, I'm really pleased that that
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stuff's in the world and, and uh, you
know, so, uh, so that was fun having
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like a bit of small talk with him, but
I was still amused by being amused.
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By the loud jacket, people
comparing notes with each other.
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Well, I thought I might posh over
to one of the food stations and get
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some food, and I was like looking at
it being like, fucking Alex Risotto.
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I hate risotto when none other
than Il Haggerty asked me if I
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would please pass him some risotto.
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Which I, I, Julie did, turning back
to find that Horatio PA was leaning in
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to get some risotto himself as well.
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Didn't persuade me that I wanted risotto.
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Still fucking hate Otto.
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It's the Kiss's death on cooking shows.
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By the way, if you're watching a
TV cooking show, if anybody's like,
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I'm doing the risotto, like, no.
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Right?
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No.
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Clearly there's some like, you
know, rhythm stirring stuff that you
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need to do that you can do in the
kitchen normally, but on in tv, on TV
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land, it's just not possible to do.
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It's always the kiss of death.
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Mark my words.
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If you are watching a
cooking TV show, I should.
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I could make money betting
on that, couldn't I?
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That short term betting thing.
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So you tend to do the tours early
in the day and, uh, I wouldn't have
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said we were remotely overworked
and the tour groups were small.
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I think I did two or three tours and,
and so probably, and each group was
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maybe a couple of two people and one put.
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To, you know, a couple and a one person
or something like that, you know, that
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was, the groups weren't very big groups,
so it's great, right, because then
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it's a conversation and, and you can
really provide a value add for people.
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I don't feel like I need
to broadcast to 50 people.
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I'd, I'd rather do like a one-to-one, and,
and then people feel like they've got a
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real value add and, and maybe feel like
they actually, you know, have learned
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something rather than have just looked
and been like, well, that's a nice one.
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I mean, I, I know how I'm
like when I go to a museum.
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I don't wanna do an audio guide, but at
the same time, I do like to leave with a
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bit more information than I had before.
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I happen to enjoy reading the plinths and
stepping back and looking and reading.
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I get that other people learn in a
different kind of a way and and wanna
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learn different kind of way and, and
that's why I've always felt like doing
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tour guiding stuff was worthwhile to do.
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You know, and with these people,
obviously you get, if, if you're coming
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from a place where you've never been
to a judge car show before, there's
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so much more that you can learn
here in addition to just the car.
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So it was fun interacting with
the people and doing that.
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And I was tired walking back
to my room when, uh, I saw, uh,
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I, I'd already seen his red.
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Sheron.
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If you know the world of automotive
YouTubers, you will know the moment.
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Not Red Sheron.
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Red Veron.
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The moment I said Red Veron, I was,
uh, I was talking about Ed Boian.
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Um, he was lurking right
there on, on the lawn there.
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And I'm, I'm not one to go up and
introduce myself to celebs or semi
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celebs or, or, or whatever, but you
know, he was there with old Don McGuire,
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the McGuire's car polish people.
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And, uh.
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McGuire, I, I realized standing
there looking at both of 'em
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are like a head taller than me.
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So it's a peculiar thing.
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But I realized standing there looking at
them, that both of these people try and
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do the same thing that I do, which isn't,
but they just do it more successfully
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than me, which is they've made their
passion for automobiles a living just
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because they're earning a reasonably
good living and it doesn't stop 'em
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Continuing to tell stories and share
the passion and encourage other people.
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To be enthusiastic about motoring and old
cars and just caring for the automotive
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and engineering cultural heritage
of the 20th century or whatever you
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want, you know, all, all of the above.
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So, so I did a whole like.
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Gushing fanboy piece with him around, you
know, thanks to what you do for the hobby.
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And then we walked through, uh,
the hotel together 'cause he
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needed to look for reception.
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And it was amusing because I think he
thought that I had a lot to say to him.
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And maybe 'cause I'd jammed on
a lot when I first met, but I
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didn't really, afterwards when I
got back to my room, I was like,
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shit, I should have asked him this.
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Or I could have asked him that.
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Or I could have said, oh, bravo
on, uh, that, or I did say to him.
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Mentioned the, the class that I do,
which is a, that I teach, which is a
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storytelling class, and I mentioned
how with VIN Wiki, I felt like,
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you know, my initial thing was,
God, this bastard stolen my lunch.
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But then upon reflection I was like, no.
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On the contrary, this is actually.
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Publicizing the form of pure
automotive storytelling.
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It's saying there is something
special about automotive stories.
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And it's funny, I, I read a a, a
Reddit that commented, uh, that
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everybody on Vin Wiki was like a,
a law breaking arrogant asshole.
477
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Some of the guys that he has on there
certainly years ago came across like that.
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Well, I think that's even better, right?
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There's nothing more beautiful.
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It's like the Jeffrey Chauser inviting
somebody on and having them condemn
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themselves out of their own mouth.
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Like how you let the fool tell a story
to make himself look like a fool.
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You allow the coward to
paint himself as a venal.
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Greedy coward.
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And, and some of the people that
Ed Boian has had on Van Wiki,
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they do come across like that.
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And of course, people, uh, are ambivalent
about the whole nature of cannon balling,
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which is, you know, and it's by being a
cannonball record holder, that that's how,
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um, you know, ed Boian came to the public
eye in the first place, if you like, and
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was able to, to build this brand around.
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Buying the cheapest cars, the
worst examples of exotic cars
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that he could possibly can.
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And then by virtue of him having it and
talking about it and repairing it, you
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then turn the bad story into a good story.
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And you write off the
fact that the value's bad.
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And you know, if you own, if you
make enough song and dance about
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stick shift, Lamborghini mer
largo's, which you happen to own.
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Sooner or later, 'cause there's
only like 30 or 50 or a hundred
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of them or whatever there is.
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Sooner or later you are actually
able to move values materially based
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upon the research and the stories and
all of that stuff that you're doing.
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So I should have said to him, you
know, Bravo for showing me that shit.
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You know, 'cause uh, I may have
been telling Carl stories longer
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than you, but I didn't see a way to.
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Sort of monetize it as
effectively as as you did.
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I talked much more then
than I actually did to him.
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I must have been knackered.
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Thank you.
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John Summers is the motoring historian.
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He was a company car thrashing technology
sales rep that turned into a fairly inept
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sports bike rider hailing from California.
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He collects cars and bikes
built with plenty of cheap and
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fast and not much reliable.
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On his show, he gets together with
various co-hosts to talk about new
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and old cars driving motorbikes,
motor racing, and motoring travel.
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Good day.
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Good morning, good afternoon.
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It is John Summers, the motoring
historian, the last Vegas Concord Ance.
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I know Elegance and Las Vegas perhaps
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oxymoronic, but.
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Cars in Vegas.
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Oh, that really works, doesn't it?
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Cars in Vegas.
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The whole fact that the collector car
world started in, in my mind, sure.
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On the East coast with the Hershey
people, but on the west coast out here,
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certainly north, it's the casino magnet.
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Bill Harra.
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That when I was at the Blackhawk,
so many of ha of, of the Blackhawk
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cars had at one point been in, in
the Hara collection and he, he really
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was a colossus in, in the hobby.
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And, and therefore it's applicable, right?
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That a big casino town has a car show.
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And let's be clear, right, the Las
Vegas Concord, I hadn't realized this
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when I rocked up there, but you know,
having driven my half million mile.
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F two 50 diesel powerstroke pickup truck
down the main strait of the Las Vegas
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Grand Prix with the barriers up and so on.
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Thinking, you know, wow, I too
might be pastry or Norris, or.
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Lando, did they name him after
Lando Calvion in Star Wars?
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That is the question, isn't it?
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I think they did.
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He's aged about right, isn't he?
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Were his parents Star Wars people?
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Is he named after a
character in Star Wars?
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Is that cool or is that idiotic?
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The event is organized by the win.
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They comped me and, and the other
people who came and, and were docent
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volunteers, they, they comped us rooms.
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I really wanna thank them for that because
it's really was an, an awesome event.
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And you know, I mentioned that the
Grand Prix took place in a few weeks.
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I hadn't realized that in between the
Concor and the Grand Prix is sema.
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So there really is a sort of motor
fest at Las Vegas, and it's not one
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of these, like where even at Monterey,
you know, pebble Beach, you need
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a car to get around, everything's
like distributed, but you could have
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just stayed in your hotel room for.
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Two weeks and done all three events.
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Like everything is right there.
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And that really is the theme of Vegas
actually as, as a show because the
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fact that your room is, you know,
or be it a Vegas walk away, so you
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know, a five or 10 minute walk.
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But nonetheless it is a walk away
from the show field, show fields.
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I should say, and let's talk about that
in just a moment, but the fact that the
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show fields are walkable, that there's
plenty of car parking, there's many, many
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hotels rooms within walking distance of
the show field, it actually makes Vegas
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absolutely ideal to host a concore.
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It's as simple as even if you are not
somebody who has a collector car, it's
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not a huge jump of imagination to feel
like or to have had that experience
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where you're gonna take the car to
the show, but your significant other's
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not that interested and the dog or the
kid or whatever's just a lot of extra
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schlep and you're like, you know what?
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I'm just not gonna bother going.
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Because I don't wanna leave
the significant other at home
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with a dog or kid situation.
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I just, I'm just, you know,
it's, this is a pleasure event.
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I'm just not gonna go.
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If you can have a hotel room
nearby, how much more accessible
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is it with the whole dog?
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A kid, significant other who wants
to wear shoes that are ridiculous,
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but that means she can't walk pro.
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You know, all of that stuff.
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Right.
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These are issues which I would
say most car guys collect.
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I don't wanna generalize, there's
plenty of women car guys, but you
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know, probably their significant others
aren't that interested in in cars or
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might not be that interested in cars.
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The point is, right, that if the
casino's right there, if there's all
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the entertainment of Vegas right there,
if you could just go back to your.
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Room and like it's easy to
take a pee and take your shoes
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off and all of that, right?
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It's absolutely huge and it
makes the event really completely
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different event from any other
one that, that I've been to.
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So, as I say, it, uh, wins.
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Organize the, the event I,
I stayed at the Wynn Hotel.
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They did comp me.
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I had to pay the room charge and the
discharge and the, that charge and,
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and I really appreciate them doing it.
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And they did a superlative job
in terms of, of organization.
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So I said show fields, didn't I?
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Yeah.
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Show fields.
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There is an area which I did my tours
around, which resembles Pebble Beach.
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Might almost be Pebble
Beach in some highlights.
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You know, there was, uh, pebble
Beach winning Gaia this year.
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There was some nice American cars,
there was some nice pre-war cars.
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There was some nice sort of Europe,
you know, Maza, ferragine, Gini types.
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You know, there there was, there
was that kind of stuff around.
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There was some nice
jaguars knocking round.
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So you had the same kind of experience.
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I would say that you have, not so much
at Pebble Beach, but certainly the event
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that I'm personally involved in, that
I'm chief docent of now, surprisingly
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and absurdly, and I've simply a.
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There's a function of poor Wayne
Craig passing, but the Hillsborough
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event is a fairly small number of
cars, and it's a local event, but
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it draws a very high caliber of car.
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And the Vegas event was almost like that.
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There weren't a lot of cars, but.
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In the PWA beachy part, there were, uh,
some really high quality, nice ones,
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much, much better cars than you would
ever see at, uh, local cars and coffee.
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With the rise of vste, I feel like
it, it's shown that there is room
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for more events than the traditional
Pebble Beach and Abil Ryland.
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I feel like there is room
for, uh, more than that.
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I feel like what Vegas has done
really effectively is look at
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the supercar crowd and say, you
know, what can we do to elevate.
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The supercar, hypercar
crowd, people's experience.
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And of course, if you've just spent
a million dollars on a Ferrari
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and then you see there's another
Ferrari that's worth 35 million or 50
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million, or maybe even more than that,
you're naturally peak to understand
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why that car might be worth more.
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And what the Vegas event is set up to
do is to provide that kind of tutorial.
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And certainly that was what
I looked to facilitate.
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The people were Vegas, really Vegas.
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And I would say that one of the,
the guys that I, I worked with who's
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chief to in uh, pebble now said to
me, you know, a lot of the people that
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you do tours for, I bet you most of
'em have never been to a car show.
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Before, probably half of 'em
never been to a car show.
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And those that have, have not been
to a kind of point judged pebble,
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beachy kind of car show, which as
I say, the Pebble beach style show
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field was that it was points and,
and judged and, and, and so on.
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And indeed, you know,
he was absolutely right.
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My experience was the, the people who
were coming round were people who, you
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know, who were in Vegas and who were
interested in cars and were, were car
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people, but they definitely weren't
Pebble Beach kind kind of of people.
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So, so there was a really cool
kind of education going on.
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And of course, um, these.
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Kind of people are, I mean, one of the,
one of my guests, uh, she had an eye
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patch that had a picture of an eye on it.
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So it was quite disconcerting talking
with her because she had like sunglasses
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on and the eye patch and the, yeah,
husband, uh, lots of gold jewelry and
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yeah, just welcome to Las Vegas, just a
very, you know, Las Vegas kind of feel.
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So it was really fun
doing that in terms of.
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The people and the cars, but I've just
talked about the pebble, beachy kind
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of show field right at the foot of
the wind, like right off the strip.
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They've not just got this one field,
they've got like three or four.
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One field was just Lamborghinis.
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It was like you'd sort of, you
know, you crusted a rise and then
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there was a field of Lamborghinis.
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And I don't mean like, you know, a
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Probably 50 cars.
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You know, I would be surprised
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Certainly comfortably in
excess of two dozen cars.
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And of course what that allay builds
you to do if you are a enthusiast
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is compare and contrast and, and
that's unique and and valuable.
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Now to have that would've been
awesome, but to then have two
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or perhaps three more fields.
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That have pans and bugattis and, and then
a sort of manufacturer kind of area, you
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know, Gunter works and over Finch and you
know, those kind of like braas, you know,
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for whatever brand kind of guys don't
wanna knock that if that's your thing.
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Guess I'd love to have that much money to
be able to, you know, spun that much on
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a special version of a, of another car.
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Why am I doubtful?
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I mean, I had a student who
worked at Gun to Works, I'd
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never even heard of them before.
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And, you know, the front end
treatment is my, my, isn't it?
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And I happen not to like what
the going to works look for
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the front end of Porsches, but.
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You know, whatever, each of
their own happy, the, you know.
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But this is the kind of people
who were at the, the Vegas show.
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I think Paani launched a new
car or something like that.
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I might you include some pictures of it.
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'cause there was one car that he seemed
to be on stage talking about at one point
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when I was coming to and from the show
field after one of my tours and the car
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was like in the reception of the hotel,
faintly reminiscent of one of the Ford.
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Lamar cars, I might interrupt
myself and record a little bit,
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but I, I wanna say, is it the J
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There was a matchbox model of it.
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That's when I knew about the car.
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I don't think it was that successful,
but you know, by that time, matchbox
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had committed to doing the model.
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So sort of, you know, the car through
the model, even though the real
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car didn't race anywhere near as.
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Successful.
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The GT 40, I can't remember the
exact, but this is what that PA
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looks like with a kind of fishy
high tail, like swoopy high tail.
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Editor.
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John's here to tell you
it's the four three liter.
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Um, apparently it was built by Alan
Mann and there is a matchbox model
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of it linked to the Matchbox model.
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So a photograph of the actual car,
which does look, uh, a bit fishy
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and I think does have proportions
that are reminiscent of the pagani
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that I'll, uh, I'll add a picture.
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Quite appeal.
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Quite appealing, although
obviously I'd rather have the
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real race car, wouldn't you?
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I was fundamentally blown away by the fact
that, that there was so much stuff there.
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The Bugatti field.
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I mean, my God, there was
some crazy statistic like 53.
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Bugatti Veron imported into the
US and of those, like 50 of them
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or 33 imported into the us and of
them, 30 of them were at the show.
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So that was pretty stu fine.
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Really.
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I mean, I'm not a modern
hypercar kind of person.
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But the spectacle of
that is a Stu Fine thing.
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And you know, as somebody who's not
looked closely at them before, it's
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pretty awesome to be able to compare the
different evolutions of, of Veron and then
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sheron and, you know, so, so this is quite
an interesting thing, I I, I this modern.
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Volkswagen design.
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I find it very iterative.
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It's like in your mind, today's Audis
look the same as ones from 20 years ago,
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but they don't, they've like tweaked and
changed and evolved and, you know, they
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retained the brand values whilst modern.
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I, I do feel like that has
gone on with Bugatti as well.
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And it, it's awesome to see, but it's
also a bit Germanic and mechanical
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and not the way that I feel like, you
know, it's, it's not the way Gandini.
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Design the Diablo is a, it's
did you design the Diablo, but
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I mean the counteract, but you
understand what I'm driving at.
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In that period, design was done.
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Great flair and passion.
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It's not the way SC Etti did
the original Ferrari, GTO is it.
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So you know, I mean, call me.
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Old fashioned, right?
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The rustle and the paper signifies
that I'm actually taking up my paper
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to, uh, talk through after 16 minutes
of just absolute off the cuff drl.
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So the first note that I had here was,
this is concourse, but Vegas style.
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And I think I've conveyed that already.
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The judged lawn.
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Pebble winning car was the Mercedes,
I'm not sure if it's an SSK, but SS
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Mercedes, like twenties Mercedes.
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That was ordered new by Lord Howe, the
sort of patron of British motorsport.
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So my sort of tour piece was
around the whole notion of, you
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know, the unelected representative
who takes it upon himself to.
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Take on a cause in this case, motor
sport and really drive that forward.
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And, and Lord, how is, when you look
at the political history of motoring
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in Britain, rarely for the first, like
50 or 60 years, rarely does he not,
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does he not sort of get a mention so.
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I've gotta believe that when
he bought this Mercedes, it was
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kind of a, a no thine enemy.
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I mean, he sat in the, the
House of laws, which is the
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equivalent of the British Senate.
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But as I say, Lords aren't voted.
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They just like inherit the titles so well.
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Some are, some aren't.
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But you know, in that
period, a lot of them.
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You know, and in his case, he inherited
the tightly, he didn't do anything,
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you know, to become a Lord unique
because it was bodied in Britain.
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Um, it has a very British kind
of, of style to its super rakish.
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I put a photograph that I took of the.
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Pontoon, it's kind of a step,
it's kind of a storage container
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on the side of the car.
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It's just a beautiful piece of art.
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But as I say, I really feel like it's,
uh, the case of no thine enemy, that
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this was Lord how very much saying
to Bentley and Rolls Royce, look,
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this is what the Germans can do.
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We need to be able to do better than this.
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And uh, you know, he was a keen racer.
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So, you know, you, you
know, the car was exercised.
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So more recently it's, I think
it's owned by John Shirley.
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I'll delete myself out if I'm wrong.
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Alright.
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I just leave myself in
there to confuse posterity.
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The point is, he's had a beautiful
restoration on it and the fact
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that he's ready to enter a car,
that one Pebble, B Jack, the Las
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Vegas Concor, I mean, it just gave.
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It's a beautiful way to anchor your tour
and of course most of the people walking
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past it don't have a Scooby-Doo what it
is and especially when it's parked up
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opposite a row of modern Formula one cars.
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I mean, this is amusing actually.
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People will walk in straight past the
how Mercedes and we're gushing over
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the sort of Shum me era, F three 10.
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I think that's the designation,
but a sort of, you know.
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20 ish, 15, 20 ish year old
Ferrari Formula one car.
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And of course, nowadays they're
like, everyone's like, Ooh, the V 10.
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What you're struck by now is how bloody
big the modern cars are next to it.
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It looks like a Formula Three
car, basically in comparison
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to a modern Formula one car.
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But look.
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Right.
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That was another thing that was bloody
awesome about the show, is that they
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didn't just have a few, they seemed
to have like half the grid of modern
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Formula One cars and it's really a,
an an impressive kind of display.
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I mean, I guess easy, right?
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'cause the Grand Prix coming up, I
hadn't really thought that through
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before, but really just the very
juxtaposition of the pebble winner and.
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Michael's Formula One car
and modern Formula one cars.
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I mean, that was what I felt was
special about the Vegas event.
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So I said I drove over in
the F two 50 power stroke.
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I mean, it's 1500 miles on a weekend.
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I mean his total trial by fire because
like a halfway, I ran the thing out
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of gas not long after I bought it, and
then had to purge the low gas line,
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the diesel lines and all of that.
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So.
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Actually just within the last 24 hours.
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I'm recording this a long time After this
road trip, months after the road trip.
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It's like January now.
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When this event was sort of November
or October or something of last
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year, it's had some fueling problem
now it's not running right now.
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Bloody F two 50.
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Well, anyway, I, I ran out of gas,
fixed that, and then was like, right, I
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just have to trial by fire this thing.
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So I drove it to Vegas and back, and I
drove by Mono Lake and that kind of way.
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I took like a, almost a like direct route.
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Drove across Yosemite.
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Really, really awesome drive.
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The truck only seems big.
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The city, right.
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When you're in a, it's, it's a
crew cab long bed and it only
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seems big when you're in the city.
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Like when you're just driving along.
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Normally it's fine, but when you
like get into Vegas and then have
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to park at one casino and it's a
massive hike and normally it'd be
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fine 'cause you travel light, but.
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Now you're doing a concord,
you've got like multiple pairs of
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nice shoes and you know, jackets
and all of, of that bollocks.
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So I, I had to leave the truck parked
up, not miles away, but like a long way.
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I mean, it, I basically, I spent one,
I wouldn't say whole day, but I spent a
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good two or three hours just 'cause it
was like a 20 minute walk from my room.
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To the truck and back and I couldn't
carry all the stuff in one go, so I
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was like hiking backwards and forwards.
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So it was really Betty
Salick, let me tell you.
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That was really annoying.
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And uh, but it's my own
stupid fault, right?
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For driving a giant truck.
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And it probably would've fitted
in the other car parking.
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But, you know, you don't
want get it stuck, do you?
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I mean, it's like driving in
past the barrier and then it
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getting stuck on the ramp.
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You know, you just like.
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So the night before the Concor,
we were invited to a party and
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the party was shortly after we'd
done our pre-show field walk.
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And that's usual when you do the pre-show
field walk, not all the cars there.
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And in this case we did the pre-show
field walk the night before.
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So it's pretty cool as it broad
arrow or RM or one of them
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were doing auctions there.
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So whilst I was waiting
to meet the others.
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Right there in the hotel, in the
middle of the hotel was like a
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full on like Italian job spec.
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Old English white mini really looked good.
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Rarely have I lost it after a
mini more, it was in exactly my
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specification, you know, mark one
external hinges, Minna light wheels.
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But then somebody had put big taillights
on it and it just offended me.
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It just offended me completely.
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I was like, Ew.
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Like.
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Get out of town.
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Like you've gotta do the small,
delicate taillights, the outsides, the
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plexiglass, the details have to be right.
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I just wanna say British people,
this business of fitting black and
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white plates, like when I say old
fashioned, I mean like from the sixties,
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black plates with silver letters
on them, on cars from the 1970s.
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Like anything later than.
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A sort of J or K plate car that
has to be a plastic number plate.
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If you've got an R or a V or a W
red car, like a nine eighties escort
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XR three, that car needs to have
a yellow number plate at the back.
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It's just, it just does it
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party the night before?
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I digress.
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I was on the show field, wasn't I, you
know, I was talking about pottering
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around the show field the night before,
and I almost didn't go to the party.
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I wanted to like show my face and I, and I
wanted to, you know, mingle a little bit.
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And so it, it made sense to,
uh, to Potter down there.
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Oh, the people like, oh wow.
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I had a number of really interesting
small talkie conversations with people.
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And they were very vegasy
kind of interactions.
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You know, it was fun, but I
can't remember a single thing
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they said or or anything about.
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And there's one woman that I
spoke to who was taller than me.
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I remember speaking to
her for a little bit.
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I was with a guy, pebble chief docent
guy, and he's an imposing looking
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guys like silver beard and silver
hair and broad shoulder and tall.
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He had a gold jacket on.
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So, uh, this guy rocks up.
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He's wearing this like green snake skin
kind of jacket and I can't remember
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what his role was, but he has, he
was basically like, you know, they
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compared notes on having loud jackets.
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And then we got talking to the guy and
he has this lovely, oh, in fact, I mean,
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I'll, I'll include a picture of the car.
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I've seen the car at Lahore as well.
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He has the.
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NY Lamborghini, I think
it's a three 50 or a 400 gt.
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It was actually used for any kind of
motor sport, so it has like a semi
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kind of racing spec thing on it.
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I wasn't convinced by the car before.
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It was cool and all, but it, I
wasn't convinced by the actual
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motor sport history, the guy's
passion, overwrote, all of that.
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For me, the guy's passion for Lamborghinis
in general, overwrote, all that.
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And I, and I walked away thinking, I
mean, Ken, like you do with Lamborghinis,
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like, well, maybe it's not for me,
but like, I'm really pleased that that
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stuff's in the world and, and uh, you
know, so, uh, so that was fun having
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like a bit of small talk with him, but
I was still amused by being amused.
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By the loud jacket, people
comparing notes with each other.
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Well, I thought I might posh over
to one of the food stations and get
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some food, and I was like looking at
it being like, fucking Alex Risotto.
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I hate risotto when none other
than Il Haggerty asked me if I
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would please pass him some risotto.
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Which I, I, Julie did, turning back
to find that Horatio PA was leaning in
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to get some risotto himself as well.
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Didn't persuade me that I wanted risotto.
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Still fucking hate Otto.
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00:24:33,225 --> 00:24:34,995
It's the Kiss's death on cooking shows.
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00:24:34,995 --> 00:24:38,145
By the way, if you're watching a
TV cooking show, if anybody's like,
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I'm doing the risotto, like, no.
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Right?
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No.
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00:24:41,175 --> 00:24:45,405
Clearly there's some like, you
know, rhythm stirring stuff that you
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need to do that you can do in the
kitchen normally, but on in tv, on TV
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land, it's just not possible to do.
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00:24:52,305 --> 00:24:53,805
It's always the kiss of death.
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Mark my words.
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If you are watching a
cooking TV show, I should.
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I could make money betting
on that, couldn't I?
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That short term betting thing.
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00:25:03,850 --> 00:25:08,200
So you tend to do the tours early
in the day and, uh, I wouldn't have
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said we were remotely overworked
and the tour groups were small.
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00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,820
I think I did two or three tours and,
and so probably, and each group was
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maybe a couple of two people and one put.
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00:25:19,105 --> 00:25:22,375
To, you know, a couple and a one person
or something like that, you know, that
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was, the groups weren't very big groups,
so it's great, right, because then
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it's a conversation and, and you can
really provide a value add for people.
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00:25:29,125 --> 00:25:32,065
I don't feel like I need
to broadcast to 50 people.
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I'd, I'd rather do like a one-to-one, and,
and then people feel like they've got a
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real value add and, and maybe feel like
they actually, you know, have learned
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00:25:40,555 --> 00:25:43,345
something rather than have just looked
and been like, well, that's a nice one.
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00:25:43,675 --> 00:25:46,315
I mean, I, I know how I'm
like when I go to a museum.
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00:25:46,620 --> 00:25:50,280
I don't wanna do an audio guide, but at
the same time, I do like to leave with a
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00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,070
bit more information than I had before.
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00:25:53,159 --> 00:25:57,360
I happen to enjoy reading the plinths and
stepping back and looking and reading.
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00:25:57,719 --> 00:26:01,500
I get that other people learn in a
different kind of a way and and wanna
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00:26:01,500 --> 00:26:05,459
learn different kind of way and, and
that's why I've always felt like doing
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tour guiding stuff was worthwhile to do.
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00:26:08,030 --> 00:26:10,939
You know, and with these people,
obviously you get, if, if you're coming
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00:26:10,939 --> 00:26:14,209
from a place where you've never been
to a judge car show before, there's
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00:26:14,209 --> 00:26:17,750
so much more that you can learn
here in addition to just the car.
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So it was fun interacting with
the people and doing that.
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00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:25,790
And I was tired walking back
to my room when, uh, I saw, uh,
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00:26:25,969 --> 00:26:27,919
I, I'd already seen his red.
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00:26:28,030 --> 00:26:28,840
Sheron.
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If you know the world of automotive
YouTubers, you will know the moment.
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00:26:33,790 --> 00:26:34,690
Not Red Sheron.
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00:26:34,690 --> 00:26:35,950
Red Veron.
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00:26:35,950 --> 00:26:40,900
The moment I said Red Veron, I was,
uh, I was talking about Ed Boian.
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00:26:40,990 --> 00:26:43,780
Um, he was lurking right
there on, on the lawn there.
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00:26:43,780 --> 00:26:48,010
And I'm, I'm not one to go up and
introduce myself to celebs or semi
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00:26:48,010 --> 00:26:53,260
celebs or, or, or whatever, but you
know, he was there with old Don McGuire,
445
00:26:53,530 --> 00:26:56,380
the McGuire's car polish people.
446
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:56,950
And, uh.
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00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,040
McGuire, I, I realized standing
there looking at both of 'em
448
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,180
are like a head taller than me.
449
00:27:01,180 --> 00:27:02,560
So it's a peculiar thing.
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00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,430
But I realized standing there looking at
them, that both of these people try and
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00:27:06,430 --> 00:27:09,820
do the same thing that I do, which isn't,
but they just do it more successfully
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00:27:09,820 --> 00:27:15,460
than me, which is they've made their
passion for automobiles a living just
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00:27:15,460 --> 00:27:18,670
because they're earning a reasonably
good living and it doesn't stop 'em
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Continuing to tell stories and share
the passion and encourage other people.
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To be enthusiastic about motoring and old
cars and just caring for the automotive
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00:27:32,545 --> 00:27:37,225
and engineering cultural heritage
of the 20th century or whatever you
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00:27:37,225 --> 00:27:38,695
want, you know, all, all of the above.
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00:27:38,695 --> 00:27:40,105
So, so I did a whole like.
459
00:27:40,425 --> 00:27:45,165
Gushing fanboy piece with him around, you
know, thanks to what you do for the hobby.
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00:27:45,524 --> 00:27:49,725
And then we walked through, uh,
the hotel together 'cause he
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00:27:49,725 --> 00:27:51,284
needed to look for reception.
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00:27:51,735 --> 00:27:55,995
And it was amusing because I think he
thought that I had a lot to say to him.
463
00:27:55,995 --> 00:27:58,395
And maybe 'cause I'd jammed on
a lot when I first met, but I
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00:27:58,395 --> 00:28:01,575
didn't really, afterwards when I
got back to my room, I was like,
465
00:28:01,575 --> 00:28:03,044
shit, I should have asked him this.
466
00:28:03,044 --> 00:28:04,635
Or I could have asked him that.
467
00:28:04,635 --> 00:28:08,955
Or I could have said, oh, bravo
on, uh, that, or I did say to him.
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00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:13,500
Mentioned the, the class that I do,
which is a, that I teach, which is a
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00:28:13,860 --> 00:28:18,540
storytelling class, and I mentioned
how with VIN Wiki, I felt like,
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00:28:18,690 --> 00:28:22,050
you know, my initial thing was,
God, this bastard stolen my lunch.
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00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:24,450
But then upon reflection I was like, no.
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00:28:24,450 --> 00:28:27,240
On the contrary, this is actually.
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00:28:27,670 --> 00:28:31,720
Publicizing the form of pure
automotive storytelling.
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00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,410
It's saying there is something
special about automotive stories.
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00:28:35,410 --> 00:28:39,790
And it's funny, I, I read a a, a
Reddit that commented, uh, that
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00:28:39,790 --> 00:28:44,050
everybody on Vin Wiki was like a,
a law breaking arrogant asshole.
477
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:50,830
Some of the guys that he has on there
certainly years ago came across like that.
478
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,770
Well, I think that's even better, right?
479
00:28:53,770 --> 00:28:55,360
There's nothing more beautiful.
480
00:28:55,360 --> 00:29:00,610
It's like the Jeffrey Chauser inviting
somebody on and having them condemn
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00:29:00,610 --> 00:29:03,040
themselves out of their own mouth.
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00:29:03,310 --> 00:29:08,440
Like how you let the fool tell a story
to make himself look like a fool.
483
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,920
You allow the coward to
paint himself as a venal.
484
00:29:12,215 --> 00:29:13,264
Greedy coward.
485
00:29:13,264 --> 00:29:16,475
And, and some of the people that
Ed Boian has had on Van Wiki,
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00:29:16,774 --> 00:29:18,095
they do come across like that.
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00:29:18,095 --> 00:29:23,584
And of course, people, uh, are ambivalent
about the whole nature of cannon balling,
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00:29:23,975 --> 00:29:27,965
which is, you know, and it's by being a
cannonball record holder, that that's how,
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00:29:28,415 --> 00:29:32,735
um, you know, ed Boian came to the public
eye in the first place, if you like, and
490
00:29:32,735 --> 00:29:35,735
was able to, to build this brand around.
491
00:29:36,275 --> 00:29:39,785
Buying the cheapest cars, the
worst examples of exotic cars
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00:29:39,785 --> 00:29:40,955
that he could possibly can.
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00:29:41,315 --> 00:29:45,785
And then by virtue of him having it and
talking about it and repairing it, you
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00:29:45,785 --> 00:29:48,275
then turn the bad story into a good story.
495
00:29:48,275 --> 00:29:51,035
And you write off the
fact that the value's bad.
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00:29:51,035 --> 00:29:55,445
And you know, if you own, if you
make enough song and dance about
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00:29:55,445 --> 00:29:59,495
stick shift, Lamborghini mer
largo's, which you happen to own.
498
00:29:59,820 --> 00:30:03,990
Sooner or later, 'cause there's
only like 30 or 50 or a hundred
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00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:05,280
of them or whatever there is.
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00:30:05,550 --> 00:30:11,159
Sooner or later you are actually
able to move values materially based
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00:30:11,159 --> 00:30:15,330
upon the research and the stories and
all of that stuff that you're doing.
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00:30:15,330 --> 00:30:19,050
So I should have said to him, you
know, Bravo for showing me that shit.
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00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,020
You know, 'cause uh, I may have
been telling Carl stories longer
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00:30:22,020 --> 00:30:25,500
than you, but I didn't see a way to.
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00:30:25,805 --> 00:30:29,945
Sort of monetize it as
effectively as as you did.
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00:30:30,425 --> 00:30:32,735
I talked much more then
than I actually did to him.
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00:30:32,735 --> 00:30:33,695
I must have been knackered.
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00:30:34,175 --> 00:30:34,505
Thank you.
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00:30:34,505 --> 00:30:35,015
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