Across the Block: Bachman Collection & Bianco Speciale Coverage

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As part of Ferrari Fridays, William
Ross from the Exotic Car Marketplace
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will be discussing all things Ferrari
and interviewing people that live
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and breathe The Ferrari brand.
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Topics range from road cars to
racing drivers to owners, as well
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as auctions, private sales and
trends in the collector market.
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Never, never.
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As part of this week's Ferra Fridays,
you've just tuned into a very special
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episode where host William Ross gets
together with me, crew Chief Eric John
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Summers, the motoring historian and
special guest David Ions from Motor
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Copia as we reunited at the 2026 Mecu
Kissimmee Auction to do a play-by-play
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commentary on all the Ferrari in
the Bachman collection, which led up
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to the sale of the Bianco special.
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So we invite you to sit
back and enjoy the show.
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Welcome to the Fire Marketplace Grand
Jury Motor Motor Story Motor Copia.
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We got the whole crew here.
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We're at Combs Kissy Sale and we
are getting ready to start firing
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all at the bottom collection.
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But there's a teaser.
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There is a, what year is this tester?
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Uh, it is a 87 tester.
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87 tester.
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Rosa is gonna kind of
start the fireworks here.
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They're trying to do commentary across
the board, the whole collection,
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and then we'll get to the PTO.
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But here we go.
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Tester coming up.
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Alright, so John, you brought
up a really good question.
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You just said flying mirror and I've
heard the single spec and all that
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kind stuff, which, that makes sense.
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One mirror on one side of the car.
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What's the flying mirror?
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Is that the two mirrors?
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It's 85 86.
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First 87 when they went
to the two mirrors.
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But it's just a single high
mirror on the driver's side.
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That's it.
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That's modest speco.
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Every, you want pronounce it.
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He, so they call the flying mirror.
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For a long time those were poo-pooed.
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No one liked them.
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Right.
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Then all of a sudden everyone wanted 'em.
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'cause they were more rare
than the standard ones.
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I love it when people realize how cool
or interesting or rare something is that
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was once unloved the redheaded stepchild.
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Right now it's in the in flavor.
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It's, it keeps things interesting.
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The other thing with these test
Ross, is the early ones had center
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lock wheels and then the late
ones had traditional five luck.
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And that center lock thing was
something that wasn't desirable at
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first, but subsequently has become
something that people really look for.
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Oh yeah.
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Every Porsche owner today
wants center lock wheels.
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Who wants to have five
bolts to take off something?
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Yeah.
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On that wheel when they
driving down the skate.
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260 K for the tester.
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So 260 k Dave, that's well above your
algorithmic average for these cars.
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So are you thinking there's a growth
in the tester market right now?
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There's a pop and it's, it's,
that's three 12,000 with fees.
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It's palpable because, and I, and I'd have
to say we've been discussing this earlier,
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I think it's because of all the capital.
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That's floating around right now
looking for a home, and people
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are going back and looking at
what they wanted back in the day.
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Now they might have the money and now
they're ready to roll and pull the
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trigger and, and get what they wanted
on the, from the poster in the eighties.
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Black power already done
at 1600 models as well.
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So it needs everything
is what you're saying.
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It needs a full belt service.
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Yeah, yeah, of course.
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Hey David, what was the production
numbers on Tester Rosas?
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Not TRS and m, just the tester itself.
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I think they were 7,100 and some odd.
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About 7,200.
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Okay.
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In all definitely a successful
production model, if you can call
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that a production number for,
for Ferrari, that's significant.
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But the cultural significance, I think
maybe people are just going back and
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just saying, this is a great car.
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They're easy to drive, they're brilliant
performers and I wanted one back when
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I was a kid and now I can get one.
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So Dave, when you go back to the office
and you take a look at your test case
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of the Testa Rosa for motor copia,
how are you gonna have to adjust?
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Just going to have to plug in the latest
sales results and these rung the bell.
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This is amazing.
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This car went for almost for a
hundred thousand more than the top
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estimate for that I had before based
on sales data, based on the culture,
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based on the macro data for the
economy and politics and all that.
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These cars that I think they've always
had joint strong demand, but I think
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that people are, now, they've got money
again, that, that tells me there's money.
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I don't know where the money's coming
from or what country, but I'm, I'm,
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I'm wondering if there's international
demand for these cars or if it's,
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if it's domestic and, and people
are just saying it's time to have
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something fun that I've always wanted.
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When we look back in the catalog
of the Mecu cars that sold, there
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were a couple other tester Rosas
that also hammered above 200,000.
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Yeah.
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Which is probably a good sign.
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As we look across the Bachman collection,
there's probably a high probability
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they're all gonna be 200,000 and above.
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I think that's reasonable coming from
fastidious collectors that were in
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the Ferrari community, maybe that
provenance, it'd be interesting
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to see if that provenance gives it
an even further bump to the test.
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You're gonna have to look at the
entire calendar year because here.
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In January at the beginning.
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So we need to see if it carries through
the entire rest of the auction season.
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Exactly.
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It'll be interesting to see if
this actually does carry through.
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It seems like there's a lot
of exuberance, positivity.
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The stadium's almost full.
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This seems to me like we're back to,
you know, record setting numbers again.
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It used to be that,
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sorry, pricing per for the year.
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Are we feeling like now maybe
Mecu and Kissie are doing that?
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Yeah, I think, I think Mecu Kissimmee
is displacing the traditional, uh,
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catalog type players and the other
events like Scottsdale and Amelia.
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But it'd be interesting to
see, again, does this carry
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through to the next two events?
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And if so, then we're gonna have a banger
of a, of a Monterey barring any black swan
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situations, which are always out there.
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So do you think it's gonna be buy
low, sell high, let's say this is
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the low, they're buying 'em now in
January, taking 'em to car week and
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trying to make more money there.
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Is that a possible strategy?
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You know, there's always a possibility
of arbitrage and going to other events.
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I, I would love to be a fly on the
wall, uh, as to whoever takes this
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test OSA home to see whether or not
it's a cherished keepsake, something
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they're going to enjoy and show.
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Or are they going to just be
flipping the thing right there?
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There's never the VH one.
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Where are they now moment with these cars?
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It's a, it's a moment on the
block and then they're gone and
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you may never see them again.
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Exactly.
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That's why I like to always copy down
VIN numbers and, and chassis numbers,
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because I like to track them now.
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This 69 L 88 coup.
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I know the Roadsters and the 60
sevens are far more rare and and
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stuff like that, but 310,000 for an
L 88, 1 of 116, that's a bargain.
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Well we are two Corvettes away
from the Bachman collection, so
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we are just rounding out the end
of what Muscle Car Alley here.
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Yeah, this is like the sixth Camaro
Jenko Camaro we've seen and we, we
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just saw the proto like Jenko Camaro
across the block for $1.7 million kind.
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Not me.
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Flat on my ass.
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Yeah, absolutely insane.
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Oh, the kos are having a record day today.
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This is 69, 4 50 already just
when the calling started,
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but before Don Yanko was putting four
20 sevens in Camaros, there was a
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dealership in LA called Dana Chevrolet
who were doing exactly the same thing.
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And it's always confusing to me
why Yanko is the guy that's got
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all the reputation and why Danish
Chevrolet are kind of forgotten.
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I think it's because Don Yanko is
responsible for initiating the copal
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program at Chevrolet with their internal
office in order to get these cars even
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built so that they could be updated
and customized at the dealer level.
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And I think that might be the heritage.
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Plus he's an immensely successful
SECA racer in the sixties.
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I'm wondering if it's that
sort of, that glow that that's
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causing that bump in value.
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However, if you're looking for
something like that as potent and but
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more rare, then one that came outta
Dana or Berger in Detroit or any other
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dealer that was part of that program,
like Nick, then you've got something
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even cooler as far as I'm concerned.
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With all that heritage, would a
Berger or a Dana car make as much
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as we've seen these Yanks back?
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You know what, I've
gotta take a look there.
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There'd be a lot fewer of them.
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You know what?
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That's a possibility.
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Just due to rarity.
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They were all kind of
developed the same way.
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And I think Dick.
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Had something to do with them early on.
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There's a sort of a commonality and then
a little bit of a rarity differentiator.
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So it'd be interesting to
see how those cars perform.
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So for the European enthusiast that know
Yanko, the man, what does COPO stand for?
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Oh, um, corporate Office
for production order.
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It's like a arcane nerd level, uh, fleet
ordering system that Chevrolet used.
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Okay.
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Was it taxis?
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Police cars, emergency vehicles
would've all been ordered through a
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fleet ordering system to streamline the
process and then maximize efficiency.
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But Vince Piggins was the brains
behind the, the dominance of Hudson,
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uh, in NASCAR in the early fifties.
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And he was Chevy's product promotion
and an engineer that really worked
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the Copo program with don y to make it
all happen and put Chevy back on top.
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They were taking a beating in relation to
the Hemi cars that Chrysler was building.
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They were building race cars before
this, you know, that you couldn't
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really buy them for the street,
but what was considered street
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car like the 60 68 Hemi Dart.
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Sorry, that's not a street car.
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Right.
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They even came with disclaimer cards
all over them saying, but you know,
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the idea was make a streetable car
that street legal, that Chevrolet
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could kick out the door and then they
could be back in the lime lights.
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So, well gentlemen, we are one car
away from the beginning of the Bachman
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collection, which is kicking off with what
looks like a his and hers Alfa Romeo eight
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C combination, both a spider and a cupe.
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So really curious to see
what those hammer for.
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But then we will dive deep for
what, 44 more cars after that.
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Love it.
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World of Ferrari.
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Yeah.
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This is, this is like, uh,
being a kid in the candy store.
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I remember being a kid and you couldn't
give a split window coop away, but now
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people are recognizing how cool they were.
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How one year only, and I will
say the stands are filling in.
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When we got here earlier, it was
a little bit thinner, but we are
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kind of at high tide at the moment.
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It's exciting, you know, it's, it.
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It also shows how much interest
there is in this market.
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It's a show, it's a, uh, an auction.
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It's an experience.
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It certainly is an experience
just walking around outside with
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the Floridian crowds, my words.
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You see some sight, not least, that
dark wood Miss America eight boat.
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Yeah, that was pretty cool.
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Miller V 16.
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Can you imagine building a boat?
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A beautiful woodhall, a speedboat
back then and two custom built
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two order V 16 Miller Engines.
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I mean, it's, it's music when
it runs, it is peak hot rod.
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Absolutely.
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Garwood made his money inventing the
hydraulic press, and the reason he
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made a lot of money was coal wagons
didn't have a hydraulic press.
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You just have to shut.
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I did not know that.
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And what a industrial leap, imagine that
just to reduce the workload required.
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To move that goal.
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It's amazing.
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But that's seeing an
opportunity and making it work
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and then reaping the spoils.
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Alright.
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We have an interesting break in the flow
of cars at the moment as we transition
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over to the Bachman collection.
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They've been one after
the other for hours now.
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Sort of like, where are the cars?
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Are they gonna do a special presentation?
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Oh, we're doing a little bit of
Automobilia signed photograph of Mario
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Andretti winning the 12 hours of Seaburn.
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Oh, that's cool.
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There's something for everybody here.
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It's like the last Foo
Fighters concert I was at.
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You go through waves and then you
reach a crescendo near the end and
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then it goes two levels higher.
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So it'll be interesting to
see how the day progresses.
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That's Bill Warner up there on stage.
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Oh, that's, I think, I think you're right.
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I think that's really cool,
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bill.
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Right?
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That's a paradigm shift is what it was.
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And, and, and, and Emelia
Island's been considered the
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Pebble Beach of the East Coast.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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And I've, I've had the distinct
privilege of meeting Bill several times.
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I've interviewed him on the show before.
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He's a wealth of information.
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He's always a yes.
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When you wanna, Hey Bill, can you
tell me another story about this
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or what was it like doing that?
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He's, he's a fascinating gentleman
and he's got a couple books out too.
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He's an author.
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I mean, he's a, a noted author, great
on, so great opportunity to look him up.
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I, I think a bunch of
his books are on Amazon.
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And not only that, the proceeds of the
books go to the Spina Bifida Foundation
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in Jacksonville, which he's a big part of.
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So, you know, great cause.
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Give back, especially if you
want to add a coffee table book
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to your collection at home.
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Everything.
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One day Saturday talking
about high end stuff.
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By the end of the conversation
we were talking about.
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Yep.
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He's one of the reasons why, um,
I, I'm building out my road and
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track collection because, uh, of his
coverage and his photography, I can't
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believe 60 grand for a photograph.
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From your vantage point, Dave,
can you see the cars or are we
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still dealing with memorabilia?
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We we're still dealing memorabilia.
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Sign now and then the cars.
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It's a great time window though to,
to shift direction slightly and bring
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these great collectibles out too.
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But what do people do with
these kind of collectibles guys?
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What do they actually do?
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Do you just put 'em up in your garage?
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Do you have them as an investment?
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Like they're, they're
a peculiar thing to me.
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I think there's a whole market for,
what are they, they call automobilia.
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But to your point, you have to have the
space to be able to use it for decoration.
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Because if you've ever seen, let's
say a traffic signal in person,
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they look so small when you're
in the car, they're massive.
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The reality.
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Yeah.
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Seen, right?
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And so these dealership signs
are absolutely just huge.
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They take up a ton of space.
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So you have to have the right
garage, warehouse, airport hanger, or
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whatever it is to be able to put it.
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Now granted that's the premise behind
Garage Style Magazine is how can you
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take this sort of stuff and then decorate
your garage and make it your garage?
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Mahal, let's just call it that.
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So, but I think there's a market for it.
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I sometimes, I wish I could
have this kind of stuff.
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It's almost more about
interior design, correct.
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Than Automobility, isn't it?
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Now they can be a little problematic.
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Dealers like, uh, brand signs like
this, I know BMW, they actually
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litigated against a car dealer.
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That wasn't a BMW dealer, but had
a illuminated BMW dealer sign.
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This is about 20 2004 and it was
quite an interesting case, but I think
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if it's for personal use, I don't
think anybody can quibble with that.
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Yeah, I mean, if we put it into
perspective, I mean, look at those
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gentlemen that are standing by the
Buick Neon dealership sign over there.
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I mean, that, that guy's
probably, what, six foot tall?
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He comes up between the C
and the K. That's a big sign.
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You need a real building to put that on.
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Oh yeah.
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It's a Ferrari sign.
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28,000. The hammer.
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Oh, they turned the lights off.
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Okay.
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Changing Focus Bugman
collection coming up.
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Oh, we're gonna watch a movie.
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Okay.
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Gosh, I like this
dramatic buildup, ladies.
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And
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here we go.
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All cars in the Bachman collection.
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No reserve.
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Never seen do that before where they're
like, dim the light to do the intro.
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This is interesting.
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We've got two out from air, eight
Cs here, a yellow one and a red one.
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It's been interesting to me all the way
through the event, how they've stacked
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the same cars alongside each other so
you can, as a potential buyer, make
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comparison between them or buy the pair.
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I like it.
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You've got the, uh, got the
convertible and the coop.
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Why not get both?
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I mean, we, I mean, we
joked about these cars.
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Why are they here?
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This doesn't make sense.
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And, and you know, the consensus
is well underneath the skin.
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They're really Ferrari, so it,
it, it makes total sense that
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they're here in the collection.
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I mean, they're more modern cars too.
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Probably some of the, the leader
acquisitions that Phil and Martha made,
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but, you know, they're a handsome car.
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I personally like 'em in
a slightly darker tone.
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A blue or a dark gray or black,
especially, I think it wears
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black really, really well.
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But you know, for the discerning
buyer, yellow is interesting cost.
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Who was the feeling of the tub?
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What would they like to draw?
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I would love to drive one.
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I think they'd probably be just amazing
considering what they're, how they're
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powered and how they're engineered.
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For my money though, I feel as though
this is in the same realm as the Maserati
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Cupe, the Ferrari powered Maserati.
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But also if you draw parallel to BMW,
this is like the Z eight and for my
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money, I actually want the four C, which
is a little bit more like, you know, Z
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four territory than Z eight territory.
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You know what I mean?
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There's some, there's a bit of a mystique
around these eight Cs that actually
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for me is a little bit off putting.
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On the other hand, I think it represents
the, the precise moment when, as I
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understand the corporate structure,
FCA started really celebrating its
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heritage and branching out to cars like
the eight C, bringing them to life,
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the four C, and then branching out to
cars that are more production oriented.
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Yeah, just like the thirties,
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again, celebrating heritage, just like
the eight c uh, cars of the thirties.
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Don't you think the coop is
worth more than the convertible?
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I would think the convertible,
because it's, uh, there were
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less built, fewer built.
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I mean, although I think the
red is a much more appealing
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color than the yellow for me.
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Oh, it looks so right on
that car, on that coop.
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The red was a far more common color.
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When I think of an Alpha
eight c, I think of it in red.
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I think Eric, to your point about
comparing with the four C, to me
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the four C is uh, something like
a Porsche Boxster, whereas this is
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far more like a Ferrari five 50.
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This is a grand tour, front engine,
grand tour, not a mid engine sports car.
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So the open air premium holds in Florida
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four.
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Yeah.
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94 Ferrari five 12 tr So five
12 TR and five 12 M. What is
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the difference between them?
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David, do you know?
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This is funny.
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I, I used to have this on the top
of my head, but I, William probably
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knows what the difference between
the TR and the m Uh, well, big day
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front headlights, just more fines.
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Got a little more power.
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Uh, it's a little wider and it's
kind of beefed it up for the last,
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the last go go around for it.
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So it looks, I'm a lover hate
because it's just some people
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don't like those open headlights.
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I'm in that camp.
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I prefer the, the, uh, TR five 12
m it sort of echoes the, the, uh,
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3 48 a little bit too for a little
family resemblance, doesn't it?
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Yeah.
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Ley is the finally evolution of that
fact 12 line that started way back in the
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early seventies with the 3 6 5 and moved
through the Berlin netter boxer cars.
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And then finally we had these
five twelves at, at, at the end.
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And my understanding is that these
of the group were probably the
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best to drive Fabulous heritage.
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Yeah, that's what I've heard.
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As I understand, easy to use,
easy to drive, good visibility,
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Mo at least out the front and the
sides, and lots of performance.
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I think rarer than the
tester Ross as well.
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That's right.
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That is such a clean design and when
you compare it to the 80 fours, the very
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first ones, it's so much more refined.
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But you don't lose the streaks.
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The straights are the most
important part and they're very
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distinctive in in farina design.
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In that Pininfarina designs tend to be
a couple of simple lines in contrast
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to uh, for example, vle tend to do very
complicated, often quite challenging
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shapes or zagato less so, but they have
a similar kind of styling aesthetic.
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Whereas Pininfarina a few simple
clean lines, super elegant.
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That's right.
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And the side strikes, I mean people
kind of found them controversial, but I
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mean they were aerodynamic solution to
venting the cool air into the radiators.
428
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I think that's a little bit the same
as the Cadillacs 59 Cadillac spins with
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the stability stabilizing at speed.
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Yeah.
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And actually the Chrysler 300 F in
1960, they set a bunch of speed records
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at Bonneville with it and the fans
did enhance lateral stability Well and
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need did on ejaculate type as well.
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Yes.
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So maybe there is something
to it That's right.
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More than double that Testa Rosser and
that Testa Rosser did over its estimate.
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I mean this is remarkable.
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Wow.
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Alright, here's one of the Fab five.
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We had a 2 88 GTO up on the block
with a whopping 2000 kilometers.
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What's that in Miles?
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Dave?
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You're Canadian.
444
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Yeah, I think that's 1600 or 50.
445
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Yep, that's right.
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Slightly used just ever so slightly.
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But it, it is in this car significant
because it's the first of Ferrari drill
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halo cars that have led down the road to.
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Ferrari.
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This is the first of those real
supercars and although it looks like
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a 3 0 8 with extra spotlights and
a body kit on it, in fact there was
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a lot more development work done.
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Was there not?
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There was.
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And more importantly, this is a
longitudinal orientation for the
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motor, which is a step away from some
of the other designs that they've
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used with the transverse engines.
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But it also is the door
that opened for the F 40.
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'cause when you re-skin a 2 88,
that's what you end up with is
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basically a wide body, almost LAMA
prototype is where the F 40 lands.
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Oh wow.
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7 million.
463
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We're already at 7 million
seconds into the bidding.
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What have these been selling
for four to six range?
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We're double that.
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Yeah, I mean, again, one
owner 27 2000 kilometers.
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I mean, come on.
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And that's the power of a single owner.
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Long-term ownership provenance.
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You love the air horn, don't you?
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Got a soccer game?
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Anybody have a cowbell?
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You know, like they using scheme
474
00:24:47,525 --> 00:24:47,795
75.
475
00:24:50,315 --> 00:24:53,195
What we might be witnessing
here is somewhat of a paradigm
476
00:24:53,195 --> 00:24:56,555
shift in terms of what bidders,
qualified bidders are willing to
477
00:24:56,555 --> 00:24:59,165
commit and are willing to step up.
478
00:24:59,230 --> 00:25:01,780
You know, it's, it's kind of
setting new marks for this year.
479
00:25:01,870 --> 00:25:04,690
The uncertainty in the
economy at the moment.
480
00:25:04,780 --> 00:25:10,675
It's astonishing to me that, that we
should be seeing a record price like this.
481
00:25:10,855 --> 00:25:13,630
And it's uncertainty for
some and not for all.
482
00:25:13,660 --> 00:25:17,260
There's a, we're we're seeing a
stratification right here, right
483
00:25:17,260 --> 00:25:19,210
here is physical manifestation of it.
484
00:25:20,775 --> 00:25:23,230
You, you were saying you
thought the one owner thing was
485
00:25:23,230 --> 00:25:24,700
very important with this car.
486
00:25:24,940 --> 00:25:25,270
That's right.
487
00:25:25,270 --> 00:25:30,040
Do you, is it, it's one owner and the
backman provenance, because that's gonna
488
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:35,350
mean that your GTO, your two aa GTO
always stands out from anybody else's.
489
00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:37,840
Yeah, there could be, uh,
there could be differences.
490
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:38,740
Absolutely.
491
00:25:38,740 --> 00:25:42,490
And then go also depending on
mileage condition, but I think a
492
00:25:42,490 --> 00:25:44,875
single owner grouping, there you go.
493
00:25:45,005 --> 00:25:45,635
8 million
494
00:25:48,875 --> 00:25:51,100
a car that saved Ferrari.
495
00:25:51,100 --> 00:25:55,270
Eric, the 3 0 8, you keep saying that
they, this is the car that saved Ferrari.
496
00:25:55,270 --> 00:25:55,450
Why?
497
00:25:55,450 --> 00:25:56,320
Why was that?
498
00:25:56,530 --> 00:25:59,560
Because it's the most mass
produced Ferrari ever.
499
00:25:59,830 --> 00:26:03,580
And it came at a time where Ferrari
was in transition from, you know,
500
00:26:03,580 --> 00:26:06,970
the cars of the sixties and the,
you know, the 360 fives and the five
501
00:26:06,970 --> 00:26:08,170
twelves and all these other things.
502
00:26:08,380 --> 00:26:11,740
They were even being produced in the early
seventies, but they weren't selling well.
503
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:12,370
Right?
504
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,420
You had the Dino 2 46 that
didn't really sell that well.
505
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,110
You had a lot of, were not doing well,
and the economy wasn't great in the
506
00:26:20,110 --> 00:26:23,590
seventies, and you had, you know,
post-war Vietnam, a lot of things.
507
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:27,190
Now granted, this car gained a ton
of popularity thanks to the hit
508
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:29,140
show with Tom Selleck Magnum pi.
509
00:26:29,410 --> 00:26:34,120
But at the end, it forced fer, the
3 0 8 forced Ferrari to go into mass
510
00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:38,470
production, to not only fuel the, the
racing program through the seventies,
511
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,000
but to keep the company afloat.
512
00:26:40,300 --> 00:26:42,970
So, William, how many three
oh eights did they build in?
513
00:26:42,970 --> 00:26:45,820
It's like seven, eight year time span.
514
00:26:46,150 --> 00:26:48,340
You use that tens and
tens of thousands of them.
515
00:26:48,340 --> 00:26:49,570
30 to 40,000.
516
00:26:49,570 --> 00:26:50,110
It's a lot.
517
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:51,910
Something like that.
518
00:26:52,150 --> 00:26:55,570
And then that carries on into the three
20 eights, you know, a couple years later.
519
00:26:55,570 --> 00:26:59,230
So long life and a long purpose,
but it's a very popular car.
520
00:26:59,230 --> 00:27:04,390
Maybe not the poster on the wall
car like the tester is, but it's
521
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:08,440
the cheap version of the car you
couldn't really get at that time.
522
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:12,640
The body lines are supremely Yeah,
they're beautiful and, and that, you
523
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:18,550
know what, the three liter VA mid
engine, this looks like the car that
524
00:27:18,550 --> 00:27:20,770
the Dino could have been earlier on.
525
00:27:20,770 --> 00:27:20,860
Yes.
526
00:27:21,100 --> 00:27:23,380
Well it, the Dino's, the
precursor to it, right?
527
00:27:23,380 --> 00:27:24,130
Absolutely.
528
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,920
I think the 3 0 8 appeared
as at the, as early as 1969.
529
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:34,150
I think the shape was penned very,
very early, long before production.
530
00:27:34,450 --> 00:27:38,560
And of course the early cars
were fiberglass or racino
531
00:27:38,565 --> 00:27:40,210
is the Italian term for it.
532
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,710
And absurdly the plastic fantastics
are worth more than the steel ones.
533
00:27:44,715 --> 00:27:44,755
Yeah.
534
00:27:44,755 --> 00:27:48,610
Because the rarity, well also,
I mean you consider the plastic
535
00:27:48,610 --> 00:27:50,140
ones or the fiberglass ones.
536
00:27:50,380 --> 00:27:52,600
Carbon Kevlar, whatever
they were using back then.
537
00:27:52,930 --> 00:27:54,100
They're the lightweights.
538
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:54,910
Right.
539
00:27:54,910 --> 00:27:56,440
Versus the steel cars are heavier.
540
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,830
So if you're going for performance
and you want to eek out as much as you
541
00:27:59,830 --> 00:28:01,990
can, you want the lightweight 3 0 8.
542
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,100
Now granted the early cars are
carbureted versus the four valve
543
00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:08,830
head later fuel injected cars,
which would make more power.
544
00:28:09,070 --> 00:28:11,260
So in the end, is it a
wash powered away ratio?
545
00:28:11,260 --> 00:28:12,880
Probably yes.
546
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:13,210
Fully.
547
00:28:13,210 --> 00:28:17,830
Because my understanding is, is that
the QV head and the 3.2 only came in
548
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:22,755
to offset the performance loss that was
as a result of emissions in the 3 28.
549
00:28:23,055 --> 00:28:23,590
Yes, absolutely.
550
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:27,940
And I got a chance to actually autocross
the 3 28 again to drive it as well.
551
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:33,340
And I've never been in a V eight that
is so happy to live Its life at the top
552
00:28:33,340 --> 00:28:35,920
end of PM Band is absolutely brilliant.
553
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,270
Engine's exciting.
554
00:28:37,270 --> 00:28:39,700
It must been for autocross because
they feel like little sports cars.
555
00:28:40,180 --> 00:28:40,330
Yeah.
556
00:28:40,330 --> 00:28:41,920
Waits at the back a hundred percent.
557
00:28:43,420 --> 00:28:48,860
The Starling heritage that goes with TV
production crew wanted to use a Porsche 9
558
00:28:48,860 --> 00:28:54,250
2 8, but Porsche refused to cut the roof
off, so they went to Ferrari instead.
559
00:28:54,250 --> 00:28:57,310
And the rest history, I mean, Tom
Selleck barely fit in the 3 0 8.
560
00:28:57,310 --> 00:28:59,050
I can't imagine him fitting in a 9 28.
561
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,600
So now we have a 365 John.
562
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,640
So we were talking about this yesterday.
563
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,550
In preparation, when you look at
it from afar and you don't know
564
00:29:09,550 --> 00:29:12,580
any better, you go, oh, that's
just another Berlin out of boxer.
565
00:29:12,580 --> 00:29:15,820
But it's not a five 12 bb,
it's the precursor, right?
566
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,560
Yes, absolutely.
567
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:23,110
And, and the 3 6 5 designation
is the cubic capacity of
568
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,180
each one of the 12 cylinders.
569
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,970
This is the gray market delight of,
uh, doctors, lawyers, uh, successful
570
00:29:30,970 --> 00:29:37,075
dental, uh, practitioners, academics,
anybody that had a sporting event and,
571
00:29:37,175 --> 00:29:41,260
and available capital, and they weren't
afraid to wait for it to be federalized.
572
00:29:41,740 --> 00:29:46,660
And again, this is the car that gave way
to something like the 2 88 GTO because
573
00:29:46,660 --> 00:29:49,240
you can see the body lines in its design.
574
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,720
Now, there's a couple other cars
that share similar design language.
575
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,230
We could talk about the 2 37
and the launch of Beta Monte
576
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:57,340
Carlo and things like that.
577
00:29:57,550 --> 00:29:59,710
They're very, very similar, even
though those are, I think they're
578
00:29:59,710 --> 00:30:05,500
Tony Designs, but you see that wedgie
seventies Italian, they're all kind
579
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:06,910
of going in the same direction.
580
00:30:07,330 --> 00:30:11,320
But what this car was the
genesis of is pretty incredible.
581
00:30:12,550 --> 00:30:15,940
This was space age, I mean, yeah.
582
00:30:15,940 --> 00:30:20,110
And I think if you speak to Ferrari
purists, they, although the later
583
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:25,690
BBS may have had more power, these
early ones were so light and, and
584
00:30:25,690 --> 00:30:29,980
delicate to drive without the safety
or emission stuff that came through
585
00:30:29,980 --> 00:30:31,570
the seventies and into the eighties.
586
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,590
Well, it's funny you that, because I
had the opportunity a couple years back
587
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:40,690
to interview John Warner iv, and one
of his daily drivers was a five 12 bb.
588
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,180
And I asked about it, you
know, during a meetup one time.
589
00:30:43,180 --> 00:30:45,280
I said, John, what is it like to
drive a Berlin Netta box star?
590
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,850
And he's like, it's an absolute
widow maker in an absolute nightmare
591
00:30:48,850 --> 00:30:49,960
in some respects, to drive.
592
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,170
They're very twitchy, they're very
unpredictable, you know, and he's
593
00:30:53,170 --> 00:30:56,050
owned all sorts of crazy cars,
Paneras and all sorts of things.
594
00:30:56,290 --> 00:30:58,390
And, but he was like, the five
12 is one of those cars that
595
00:30:58,390 --> 00:30:59,230
puts the hair on your chest.
596
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,340
Well, isn't there something weird about
the engine bin on top of the Transaxle?
597
00:31:03,340 --> 00:31:08,020
So the handling somewhat compromised
because of the height of the engine.
598
00:31:08,260 --> 00:31:11,260
You know the thing about the, the
early the, the Berlin in Boxer, I
599
00:31:11,260 --> 00:31:13,990
mean all flavor, all the iterations.
600
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,840
It wasn't so long ago
those were 130 5K car.
601
00:31:17,950 --> 00:31:23,620
Now here is the car that was
on my bedroom wall as a kid.
602
00:31:23,620 --> 00:31:26,350
This for me is still a gorgeous car.
603
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,880
It's an ultimate supercar.
604
00:31:28,300 --> 00:31:30,610
It's beautiful from every,
you're in your forties, Eric.
605
00:31:30,610 --> 00:31:33,400
That's why if you were older
than that, you wouldn't feel
606
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:34,275
like that about the F 40.
607
00:31:35,415 --> 00:31:39,580
But it is the up and coming
car, isn't it The F 40?
608
00:31:40,210 --> 00:31:42,475
But I don't understand
people that like the F 50.
609
00:31:42,580 --> 00:31:43,900
I'm just gonna come out
and say it right now.
610
00:31:45,220 --> 00:31:46,060
Seconds into the bidding.
611
00:31:46,060 --> 00:31:48,190
We're at 7,000 R 7 million.
612
00:31:48,190 --> 00:31:48,910
Excuse me.
613
00:31:48,910 --> 00:31:50,620
Add three zeros.
614
00:31:52,330 --> 00:31:53,260
Six five.
615
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:57,235
Oh sorry, six five.
616
00:31:57,535 --> 00:32:00,520
My understanding was these
were two or $3 million cars.
617
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,410
We are just a six and a half.
618
00:32:02,860 --> 00:32:04,540
Is this this one ownership thing?
619
00:32:05,020 --> 00:32:11,650
Is it the low mileage thing or, or are we
just seeing, I mean 456 documented miles.
620
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,740
Oh, the Buckman took
factory delivery in 1992.
621
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:17,260
I don't think there's, I don't think
there's that forties in the Ferrari
622
00:32:17,260 --> 00:32:20,380
museum that have less miles than this.
623
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:23,710
On the one hand, that's great.
624
00:32:23,710 --> 00:32:25,750
And on the other other
hand, that's a sad thing.
625
00:32:26,290 --> 00:32:27,220
It needs everything.
626
00:32:27,220 --> 00:32:30,010
That's, I keep saying, but at the
same time, I'm glad that there's folk
627
00:32:30,010 --> 00:32:32,140
like Phil Backman preserving cars.
628
00:32:32,485 --> 00:32:37,030
'cause there's too folk like me who
just drive the kaho and that one out.
629
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:43,300
Yeah, but you've had a good time in the
process and you reduced the cost per mile.
630
00:32:44,140 --> 00:32:45,610
You have reduced the cost per mile.
631
00:32:45,610 --> 00:32:45,700
Yes.
632
00:32:46,450 --> 00:32:47,410
Let's not forget that.
633
00:32:48,940 --> 00:32:51,850
You know what I would
give for a black F 40?
634
00:32:51,850 --> 00:32:53,140
I'm just gonna say that right now.
635
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,790
Well, there is that meat
colored one isn't there?
636
00:32:57,790 --> 00:32:58,885
Yeah, though, like the, which.
637
00:32:59,230 --> 00:33:00,880
Really makes you stand out there.
638
00:33:00,885 --> 00:33:04,510
If you own that min color, 40,
everyone knows it's your car.
639
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:06,400
There was one recently reaped done.
640
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,090
Or repainted.
641
00:33:07,090 --> 00:33:07,810
Or rehabbed.
642
00:33:08,410 --> 00:33:12,310
It's a, it is a light blue like metallic.
643
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:13,750
It is gorgeous in that color.
644
00:33:17,230 --> 00:33:20,320
That has to be a market
setting record throughout that.
645
00:33:23,890 --> 00:33:29,260
Alright, so very early 3 0 8
GP here with fiberglass bodies.
646
00:33:30,370 --> 00:33:31,995
You guys the last for us one, right?
647
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:33,520
One of the last, yeah.
648
00:33:35,740 --> 00:33:38,860
Now this 3G TB is a
razina, is that correct?
649
00:33:38,860 --> 00:33:39,795
A fiberglas body?
650
00:33:39,865 --> 00:33:40,155
Yeah.
651
00:33:40,215 --> 00:33:44,410
It a is a only 9,931 miles.
652
00:33:44,740 --> 00:33:47,680
The eighth example produced, the
thing that people always say about
653
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,700
this is they need a belt service
either every three years or 30,000
654
00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:54,940
miles or whatever it is, and how
that's a bit of a pain, the bottom.
655
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,950
But of course the car was designed
to have the engine lifted out
656
00:33:59,950 --> 00:34:01,510
and have those belts done.
657
00:34:01,870 --> 00:34:03,820
So it's not even that challenging.
658
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,650
That's my understanding.
659
00:34:08,014 --> 00:34:11,320
So the beginning of the
line here, fiberglass body
660
00:34:18,219 --> 00:34:19,870
clean, GTB body
661
00:34:23,895 --> 00:34:26,980
see, but I'm sort of, of the
opinion that if you offered
662
00:34:26,980 --> 00:34:29,020
me a 3 0 8, I would take it.
663
00:34:29,530 --> 00:34:29,875
Oh yeah.
664
00:34:29,875 --> 00:34:32,590
I would probably be happier
if it was the one that had a
665
00:34:32,590 --> 00:34:33,730
hundred thousand miles on it.
666
00:34:34,540 --> 00:34:35,679
Because I knew it was driven.
667
00:34:35,889 --> 00:34:38,440
I knew it was loved and it had to
be maintained in order to get there.
668
00:34:38,469 --> 00:34:39,760
No, you don't think so?
669
00:34:41,230 --> 00:34:41,530
Yes.
670
00:34:41,530 --> 00:34:47,020
For me, the, the living breathing car is
far more appealing than the garage queen.
671
00:34:47,020 --> 00:34:48,219
Low mileage special.
672
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:51,310
But you know, this is what Phil Backman
used to say his there when people used
673
00:34:51,310 --> 00:34:53,080
to say to him, drive the cars dude.
674
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,130
He would say, you enjoy the cars
your way and I'll enjoy them my way.
675
00:34:59,230 --> 00:34:59,950
The fees and stuff.
676
00:35:01,675 --> 00:35:05,710
I, I was outside and some people were
chatting and like one older gentleman
677
00:35:05,710 --> 00:35:08,500
asked this younger gentleman, they
was probably around our age, but
678
00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:10,720
the older gentleman's probably in
the seventies, he goes, what do
679
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:11,115
you think the total thing worth?
680
00:35:11,115 --> 00:35:14,290
And the guy was like, oh, I don't
know, probably around 50 million.
681
00:35:14,290 --> 00:35:16,150
And I turned around and
said, you're way off.
682
00:35:17,770 --> 00:35:19,930
Five of the cars total will go for that.
683
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:23,830
Yeah, it should break a
hundred million total.
684
00:35:23,830 --> 00:35:24,850
At least get close.
685
00:35:25,150 --> 00:35:26,620
Well we can add it up afterwards.
686
00:35:27,010 --> 00:35:31,780
Find out roughly taking a
ballpark is say 12% total in fees.
687
00:35:32,140 --> 00:35:34,210
You know, maybe they negotiate
a little better rate stuff.
688
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:37,090
Even just doing that, we get,
you know, let's still impressive.
689
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:37,900
Yeah.
690
00:35:38,830 --> 00:35:41,500
So now we got another Testa
Rosa for your books here.
691
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,930
This is way out of the
ballpark, isn't it, Dave?
692
00:35:44,260 --> 00:35:45,730
Totally, totally.
693
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:50,590
Why are we reach 257 miles?
694
00:35:51,310 --> 00:35:53,470
257 miles.
695
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:54,220
There you go.
696
00:35:54,910 --> 00:35:59,860
Interesting aside, Darrell Greenmeyer,
the late ne Darrell Greenmeyer, former
697
00:35:59,860 --> 00:36:05,890
SR 71 pilot holds the, uh, bought
this car new, he holds the, uh, piston
698
00:36:05,890 --> 00:36:11,140
powered world record that has yet
to be unbroken since it's 19 69, 483
699
00:36:11,140 --> 00:36:12,850
miles an hour in a Grum and Bearcat.
700
00:36:13,060 --> 00:36:13,480
Wow.
701
00:36:14,620 --> 00:36:15,820
So this was his car new.
702
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,960
So Dave, when you go back and do your
analysis on the Testa Rosas, does this car
703
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,570
suddenly become an outlier at $600,000?
704
00:36:23,170 --> 00:36:23,800
Absolutely.
705
00:36:24,070 --> 00:36:24,700
Absolutely.
706
00:36:25,420 --> 00:36:26,530
So it's almost off the table
is, is it the provenance?
707
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:31,300
I mean, is it, you know, not only
original owner provenance, but also
708
00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:34,330
Bachman provenance, low mileage.
709
00:36:34,900 --> 00:36:36,460
It's just ticking all the boxes.
710
00:36:36,984 --> 00:36:40,825
But Testa roses are, are entering
a new paradigm right now.
711
00:36:41,904 --> 00:36:41,995
Yes.
712
00:36:41,995 --> 00:36:45,265
6 25. It wasn't that long ago at Monterey.
713
00:36:45,330 --> 00:36:50,754
I, I sat in a black car that was
estimated to make 90 grand and thought,
714
00:36:50,754 --> 00:36:53,004
oh, I might even be able to get there.
715
00:36:53,004 --> 00:36:56,455
But six 50, I don't think I can get there.
716
00:36:57,085 --> 00:37:01,705
It'll remain to be seen at the next
round of auctions, uh, January, March.
717
00:37:02,904 --> 00:37:06,384
And then Monterey, have we entered
a new era for these cars or,
718
00:37:06,384 --> 00:37:09,295
or, uh, and a new expectation?
719
00:37:09,295 --> 00:37:14,035
Or is it just simply a function of a
perfect alignment of the planet's money,
720
00:37:14,035 --> 00:37:19,464
supply, exuberance, people appreciating
these cars, and also the presentation
721
00:37:19,464 --> 00:37:21,325
of them as one single collection?
722
00:37:22,884 --> 00:37:27,685
I love the, uh, plexi nose on this Daytona
that we've got on the block at the moment.
723
00:37:28,045 --> 00:37:29,185
What's the premium?
724
00:37:29,365 --> 00:37:32,605
Is there a significant premium
for cars with the plexi nose?
725
00:37:32,785 --> 00:37:35,424
I think it's rarity and
early production status.
726
00:37:35,694 --> 00:37:38,904
There was a time they weren't as
much in vogue as they are now.
727
00:37:39,895 --> 00:37:44,305
If you're collecting Ferrari's and
you like the Daytona, then an early
728
00:37:44,305 --> 00:37:45,714
one should be in your collection.
729
00:37:46,045 --> 00:37:50,335
Again, it's money chasing rarity
and first of the line status.
730
00:37:51,835 --> 00:37:53,845
I mean, I'm gonna be the detractor here.
731
00:37:53,845 --> 00:37:57,535
I've said it before on our drive through
news program when these cars just
732
00:37:57,535 --> 00:37:59,154
happen to come up every now and again.
733
00:37:59,214 --> 00:38:02,605
I am not a fan of the shape of these cars.
734
00:38:02,845 --> 00:38:04,765
I mean, I get the whole Miami Vice thing.
735
00:38:05,065 --> 00:38:07,105
You know, they did use these
on Miami Vice in the early
736
00:38:07,105 --> 00:38:08,634
seasons versus Tesla Rosa later.
737
00:38:08,634 --> 00:38:10,285
But I just, I don't get it.
738
00:38:11,634 --> 00:38:14,484
Well, a story about Miami
Vice was the original.
739
00:38:14,484 --> 00:38:17,785
The, the Daytona in
Miami Vice was a replica.
740
00:38:18,115 --> 00:38:20,305
It was a Corvette on a replica chassis.
741
00:38:20,545 --> 00:38:25,404
The Ferrari himself was a fan of the show,
contacted the production company and said,
742
00:38:25,464 --> 00:38:28,345
I will give you a cup the next season.
743
00:38:28,645 --> 00:38:33,325
As long as that black replica meets a
horrible end, what it does, it burns up.
744
00:38:33,325 --> 00:38:36,535
Sonny Crockett fakes his
own death in when episode.
745
00:38:36,535 --> 00:38:40,015
She's the car and it burns,
hence the white tester.
746
00:38:40,015 --> 00:38:41,964
Also to the Daytona.
747
00:38:42,115 --> 00:38:45,835
It was not intended as a race car,
and yet I think it earned second.
748
00:38:45,835 --> 00:38:48,779
And the 24 hours of
Daytona at 19 79, 6 25.
749
00:38:49,330 --> 00:38:52,140
That Daytona just paid, what,
five 50 I think or something?
750
00:38:53,129 --> 00:38:54,139
I've got 6 25.
751
00:38:54,839 --> 00:38:58,915
Oh, was this, so we've, uh,
79 3 0 8 on the block now.
752
00:38:59,214 --> 00:39:01,045
So super rare color here.
753
00:39:01,045 --> 00:39:03,865
Never even seen this
color on a Ferrari before.
754
00:39:04,345 --> 00:39:11,964
How much is that gonna add to value or
to, to interest to a 3 0 8 fan like me?
755
00:39:12,835 --> 00:39:13,855
Dollar for dollar?
756
00:39:13,855 --> 00:39:16,375
I would love to have one
that's in, not in Rosso.
757
00:39:16,585 --> 00:39:20,725
What you're not able to see when
you're watching this on television
758
00:39:21,115 --> 00:39:23,154
is the actual color of the car.
759
00:39:23,395 --> 00:39:28,705
This is a very, very gray car with
a green undertone, but on television
760
00:39:28,705 --> 00:39:30,205
it presents itself as very green.
761
00:39:30,444 --> 00:39:35,004
Now there is a green color for three oh
eights, which is really, really nice.
762
00:39:35,004 --> 00:39:38,424
And there was actually, if you use a
Magna Pi reference, there was an episode
763
00:39:38,754 --> 00:39:42,955
where they actually featured a green at
3 0 8 on there that Carol Burnett drove.
764
00:39:43,795 --> 00:39:47,484
And the story goes that Tom Selleck
was in the shop and they brought the
765
00:39:47,484 --> 00:39:48,685
green around all this kind of thing.
766
00:39:49,105 --> 00:39:50,305
This is not that color.
767
00:39:50,305 --> 00:39:53,004
This is a gray, uh,
that you're seeing here.
768
00:39:55,045 --> 00:39:58,705
You know what, you'd have to
show me a bad color on the 3 0 8.
769
00:39:58,705 --> 00:39:59,274
I'm sorry.
770
00:39:59,274 --> 00:40:02,004
I just think that that color they
wear pretty much every color.
771
00:40:02,004 --> 00:40:06,234
Well, that is just gorgeous and I love
it's that it's apparently it's the first
772
00:40:06,234 --> 00:40:08,154
3 0 8 produced in that color combination.
773
00:40:12,174 --> 00:40:16,134
So isn't this a this, we, we
now have a, uh, five 50 barta
774
00:40:17,365 --> 00:40:19,435
crossing, uh, crossing the block.
775
00:40:19,495 --> 00:40:23,845
Isn't this a case of, uh, you give
the punters less and charge 'em more?
776
00:40:23,845 --> 00:40:26,694
You cut the roof off and yeah,
charge 'em more money for it.
777
00:40:26,694 --> 00:40:28,134
That's the Porsche formula, right?
778
00:40:28,134 --> 00:40:29,754
Take something away
and charge more for it.
779
00:40:30,685 --> 00:40:33,384
I love some 5 55 75.
780
00:40:33,984 --> 00:40:35,395
Not a fan of the convertible.
781
00:40:35,634 --> 00:40:36,365
And I'm gonna say it on.
782
00:40:36,779 --> 00:40:40,254
Probably say it again during this
broadcast, I don't like yellow.
783
00:40:42,625 --> 00:40:44,335
It's all in the eye of the beholder.
784
00:40:44,335 --> 00:40:44,575
Eric.
785
00:40:44,694 --> 00:40:46,705
I don't think the five 50 wears yellow.
786
00:40:46,705 --> 00:40:48,145
Well that, that's my point.
787
00:40:48,504 --> 00:40:50,904
Black is Corvettes wear
yellow excellently.
788
00:40:50,904 --> 00:40:51,984
The nine 11 looks.
789
00:40:51,984 --> 00:40:52,524
That's really good.
790
00:40:52,524 --> 00:40:52,915
Yellowness.
791
00:40:53,424 --> 00:40:53,995
That's Kyle light yellow.
792
00:40:53,995 --> 00:40:54,325
Yeah.
793
00:40:54,355 --> 00:40:57,595
This body shape does not
lend itself well to yellow.
794
00:40:57,805 --> 00:40:59,545
Now sadly, it doesn't roll off the tongue.
795
00:40:59,545 --> 00:41:02,754
Like say uh, red Barta from uh, from Rush.
796
00:41:02,904 --> 00:41:03,705
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
797
00:41:03,865 --> 00:41:06,475
I wonder what Neil Pert would've
done, but you know what?
798
00:41:06,924 --> 00:41:08,484
I'll take a yellow Ferrari any day.
799
00:41:08,754 --> 00:41:09,295
I don't care.
800
00:41:11,424 --> 00:41:13,944
We're at 1.1 already for five 50.
801
00:41:15,444 --> 00:41:18,174
These look really good
in that gun metal gr.
802
00:41:19,015 --> 00:41:22,375
They do a lot of gun metal gray
in that car and the dark blue
803
00:41:22,375 --> 00:41:26,095
that the four five sixes came in
is really, really nice as well.
804
00:41:29,004 --> 00:41:31,435
And I worked at EMC in the.com boom.
805
00:41:31,884 --> 00:41:37,134
My boss was rookie of the year and
with her bonus, just her bonus, she
806
00:41:37,134 --> 00:41:42,295
bought a new five 50 oh and sat it
in the garage one time at her house.
807
00:41:42,839 --> 00:41:45,625
You know, I love the
observance of those days.
808
00:41:45,625 --> 00:41:49,375
As a bystander I was in banking and
financial services and just hearing about
809
00:41:49,375 --> 00:41:53,575
the stories like that and then getting
the inside baseball of the tech, uh,
810
00:41:53,575 --> 00:41:55,915
Silicon Valley scene from you, John.
811
00:41:56,424 --> 00:41:56,995
That's fun.
812
00:41:58,194 --> 00:42:03,384
How many other grand tours did we cut
the roof off of Ferrari you think of?
813
00:42:03,384 --> 00:42:06,024
No, design wise, not Ferrari in
general, but like we talked about
814
00:42:06,024 --> 00:42:09,774
before, you wouldn't cut the roof off
on 9 28 because this is the sort of
815
00:42:09,774 --> 00:42:11,484
classic card that the five 50 is in.
816
00:42:11,845 --> 00:42:14,995
So can we think of any other, maybe
some Astons where we cut the roof off?
817
00:42:16,285 --> 00:42:16,585
Thanks.
818
00:42:16,585 --> 00:42:18,805
Js Jaguars, yes.
819
00:42:18,805 --> 00:42:22,734
There's not many in that class where you
take a grand tour and make 'em a cabrio.
820
00:42:22,734 --> 00:42:27,924
Le you're making me think of that
traditional British term that the
821
00:42:27,924 --> 00:42:33,234
Drop Drophead coop or drophead co
a, that it's almost that kind of, as
822
00:42:33,234 --> 00:42:35,575
opposed to a true Roadster drophead.
823
00:42:37,075 --> 00:42:40,674
Has like the folding roof so it
can be a little more formal, right?
824
00:42:40,674 --> 00:42:40,734
So,
825
00:42:53,035 --> 00:42:53,785
alright, here we go.
826
00:42:53,785 --> 00:42:54,835
Another halo car.
827
00:42:54,895 --> 00:42:56,125
So why want that vibe?
828
00:42:56,515 --> 00:43:02,665
I teach a class at a prominent west coast
university each year and I had a student
829
00:43:02,665 --> 00:43:08,125
a couple of years ago pull one of these
cars up in a presentation he was doing as
830
00:43:08,125 --> 00:43:14,875
an illustration of design that's 20 years
old that has moved onward and and upward.
831
00:43:15,355 --> 00:43:19,615
Now for me, I was really not sure about
these enzos when they first came out.
832
00:43:19,674 --> 00:43:24,504
As the years have gone by, I've really
begun to appreciate how they represent
833
00:43:24,504 --> 00:43:26,395
what Ferrari was doing in Formula One.
834
00:43:26,395 --> 00:43:29,245
At the time, the high nose,
like the anhe nose that was on
835
00:43:29,245 --> 00:43:30,745
contemporary Formula one cars.
836
00:43:31,015 --> 00:43:37,134
But my question for you guys is how has
the Enzo shape stood up over the decades?
837
00:43:37,825 --> 00:43:42,444
I don't think it's aged well, John,
it looks very early two thousands.
838
00:43:42,444 --> 00:43:46,915
It is to your point, mimicking the
formula one cars of that era and it's
839
00:43:46,915 --> 00:43:51,205
just sort of stuck in time versus a car
like let's say the Audi R eight or the
840
00:43:51,205 --> 00:43:56,455
third Gen RX seven or other more fluid
designs, you can't put a date on them.
841
00:43:56,605 --> 00:44:00,024
This car, in my opinion, is very
dated, especially when you compare
842
00:44:00,024 --> 00:44:02,904
it to things like the LA Ferrari
and things that came after it.
843
00:44:03,774 --> 00:44:07,915
But it is a step away if you keep
it in the same lineage as the F 40
844
00:44:07,915 --> 00:44:09,984
and the F 50 and the cars before it.
845
00:44:09,984 --> 00:44:10,975
It's very different, right?
846
00:44:10,975 --> 00:44:12,384
It's very much more the Batmobile.
847
00:44:13,165 --> 00:44:13,375
There goes
848
00:44:15,384 --> 00:44:20,154
yeah, definitely those top of the
range Ferrari sort of hyper cars
849
00:44:20,154 --> 00:44:24,205
from the days of the 2 8 8 that
basically they a Hot Rod 3 0 8.
850
00:44:24,685 --> 00:44:30,205
This is something completely different
in terms of order new by the bot
851
00:44:30,535 --> 00:44:36,535
messaging personalized at the factory
for the Batmans who ordered at new 645.
852
00:44:36,535 --> 00:44:37,225
Miles.
853
00:44:38,274 --> 00:44:42,745
We're already asking for 10,
five, 10 million, 500,000.
854
00:44:47,395 --> 00:44:50,125
None of these supercars
do very high mileages.
855
00:44:51,384 --> 00:44:55,555
Unfortunately, no, it would be
very hard to find at Canara or
856
00:44:55,555 --> 00:44:56,995
a Mustang with miles this low.
857
00:44:57,835 --> 00:45:01,825
But surely there are other F 50 out
there that have miles that are this
858
00:45:01,825 --> 00:45:05,274
low that might be able to command
this kind of massive premium.
859
00:45:06,295 --> 00:45:09,685
Well, let's, let's, let's put
a ribbon around that, right?
860
00:45:09,924 --> 00:45:14,185
Where do you drive an Enzo
where you can actually enjoy it?
861
00:45:15,085 --> 00:45:17,305
There better not be any speed
bumps in your neighborhood.
862
00:45:18,475 --> 00:45:21,475
We've broken through to the,
the other side is Jim Morrison
863
00:45:21,475 --> 00:45:22,585
and the doors would sing.
864
00:45:23,185 --> 00:45:26,065
We're asking for 12
million on this car now.
865
00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:28,710
This is a record, isn't it?
866
00:45:29,310 --> 00:45:30,600
I, I believe it might be.
867
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,160
I'd have to go, go back and check.
868
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:33,660
But this is exciting.
869
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:41,129
We, we talked before we, we came on
air about how there's a momentum around
870
00:45:41,129 --> 00:45:46,230
auctions and, and how if one car early
in the auction and performs that can lead
871
00:45:46,319 --> 00:45:49,680
to under performance in, in other cars.
872
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,920
You seem to be experiencing
the opposite effect here.
873
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:59,879
There seems to be a flywheel effect
of very high prices in a correction
874
00:45:59,879 --> 00:46:01,770
of this size and magnitude.
875
00:46:02,819 --> 00:46:05,879
Anybody who's bidding probably
has agents in the field that
876
00:46:05,879 --> 00:46:07,170
are doing the bidding for them.
877
00:46:07,170 --> 00:46:10,200
They've probably researched these
cars thoroughly inspected them.
878
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:16,140
Any bidding here would not be a surprise,
and unless it comes down to who really
879
00:46:16,140 --> 00:46:17,670
wants the car at the end of it all.
880
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:20,609
But I think, I think a lot
of research has been done.
881
00:46:27,010 --> 00:46:27,980
They're pushing right now.
882
00:46:40,635 --> 00:46:45,195
There's this hush that has come over the
audience as they're pushing the number.
883
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:48,740
Yes.
884
00:46:48,740 --> 00:46:49,420
Everybody else
885
00:46:58,930 --> 00:46:59,420
closing.
886
00:47:02,715 --> 00:47:03,075
Wow.
887
00:47:04,665 --> 00:47:07,215
Asking for 12 six now.
888
00:47:15,855 --> 00:47:16,725
Wow.
889
00:47:19,125 --> 00:47:20,565
Asking 13 million.
890
00:47:22,935 --> 00:47:23,955
You know what they say?
891
00:47:23,955 --> 00:47:27,165
That there only needs to be two people
in the audience who really want it.
892
00:47:27,165 --> 00:47:27,405
Yeah.
893
00:47:27,405 --> 00:47:27,795
Right.
894
00:47:28,785 --> 00:47:29,895
13 million.
895
00:47:29,895 --> 00:47:30,255
13 million
896
00:47:33,435 --> 00:47:35,260
motivated seller and two willing bids.
897
00:47:35,260 --> 00:47:35,940
That's all you need.
898
00:47:36,500 --> 00:47:39,885
I mean, we haven't even gone to the Bianco
special yet, and we're seeing history
899
00:47:39,885 --> 00:47:41,385
being created right in front of us.
900
00:47:41,775 --> 00:47:41,925
Yeah.
901
00:47:41,925 --> 00:47:44,685
The whole pricing curve for
all these cars is brand new.
902
00:47:53,090 --> 00:47:58,845
Yesterday when we were walking round,
we were talking about whether it really
903
00:47:58,845 --> 00:48:02,505
made sense for the Backman collection
to be at Mecca and whether or not it
904
00:48:02,505 --> 00:48:05,625
should be a standalone event, 19 million.
905
00:48:05,625 --> 00:48:09,735
Now, it should have been
handled by perhaps one of the
906
00:48:09,735 --> 00:48:11,085
other, or auction companies.
907
00:48:11,685 --> 00:48:17,325
Well, I think we can confirm that this
probably has to be the right environment
908
00:48:17,325 --> 00:48:19,095
for the Batman collection to be sold.
909
00:48:19,425 --> 00:48:20,205
Yeah, for sure.
910
00:48:20,415 --> 00:48:20,775
This is.
911
00:48:20,775 --> 00:48:23,535
Turned out to be a great move
to bring this collection here.
912
00:48:24,255 --> 00:48:26,775
The stadium's full, there's
excitement everywhere.
913
00:48:27,645 --> 00:48:29,115
Positive atmosphere.
914
00:48:29,955 --> 00:48:30,735
The money is here.
915
00:48:31,905 --> 00:48:32,085
Yeah.
916
00:48:32,085 --> 00:48:35,685
Am we still grinding up
13, 2 50, asking now?
917
00:48:37,755 --> 00:48:37,935
Yeah.
918
00:48:37,935 --> 00:48:40,830
They're not letting go of this 13 million.
919
00:48:42,970 --> 00:48:47,535
Any fear of speed on the auction
block is, uh, is, uh, unfounded.
920
00:48:49,305 --> 00:48:51,555
Well, and the hilarious
part is right behind.
921
00:48:51,555 --> 00:48:58,575
This is also a super ultra rare FXX, so
we've got two heavy hitters back to back.
922
00:48:58,575 --> 00:48:59,025
Love it.
923
00:48:59,025 --> 00:49:01,395
And they're both yellow, I'm not mistaken.
924
00:49:01,695 --> 00:49:02,985
Oh, there's a lot of yellow This Dave.
925
00:49:02,985 --> 00:49:03,315
Love it.
926
00:49:05,415 --> 00:49:08,865
You know what, I find it refreshing
and Florida's the, uh, sunshine
927
00:49:08,865 --> 00:49:11,775
state and, uh, this looks like
the color that we need here.
928
00:49:11,775 --> 00:49:14,635
You know, if you like mustard
more than ketchup, I get it.
929
00:49:14,635 --> 00:49:14,985
It is.
930
00:49:14,990 --> 00:49:15,030
Okay.
931
00:49:17,450 --> 00:49:19,185
I'm apt to put both on my hot dog.
932
00:49:19,185 --> 00:49:20,925
You know, I love both condiments.
933
00:49:20,925 --> 00:49:21,645
Absolutely.
934
00:49:21,645 --> 00:49:22,215
I'm with you.
935
00:49:24,405 --> 00:49:26,205
John's more of a chili man, you know.
936
00:49:26,775 --> 00:49:27,615
Oh, that's delicious too.
937
00:49:29,475 --> 00:49:34,575
We're asking 14 million right now
for, there's no reserve for Ferrari.
938
00:49:34,575 --> 00:49:41,565
Enzo order New by the Bachmans customized
at the factory to their specification.
939
00:49:42,195 --> 00:49:48,645
So this is safe to say this is a
singular example of the Ultra Air Enzo,
940
00:49:50,085 --> 00:49:52,245
and it is going into the stratosphere.
941
00:49:56,235 --> 00:50:00,750
The, uh, the ink on my pen is gonna run
dry before we finalize this bit, I think.
942
00:50:01,030 --> 00:50:01,575
I think so.
943
00:50:02,025 --> 00:50:04,335
There's still a little bit of
juice to extract from this one.
944
00:50:05,505 --> 00:50:06,345
This is exciting.
945
00:50:06,345 --> 00:50:09,825
I, I didn't come here to see,
uh, see a doll auction and, uh,
946
00:50:10,305 --> 00:50:13,335
this is, this is actually, uh,
this is better than caffeine.
947
00:50:15,465 --> 00:50:16,905
Yeah, this is really exciting.
948
00:50:16,905 --> 00:50:20,535
We just said we felt that, I mean,
the styling wasn't that desirable.
949
00:50:20,865 --> 00:50:23,835
Agent battery, maybe the yellow
would, would hurt the price of it.
950
00:50:23,835 --> 00:50:24,675
Well look at that.
951
00:50:25,275 --> 00:50:26,295
15 million.
952
00:50:26,295 --> 00:50:31,245
My God, I'd have to say this
is delicious in honor of your
953
00:50:31,245 --> 00:50:32,895
recent Schumacher episode.
954
00:50:32,895 --> 00:50:36,495
John, I am going to mention
that Michael's Enzo was black.
955
00:50:37,005 --> 00:50:37,935
Just wanna point that out.
956
00:50:39,885 --> 00:50:40,275
Flying.
957
00:50:40,275 --> 00:50:43,100
If I could choose a color to have
me and I'd have mine in black.
958
00:50:43,220 --> 00:50:44,300
I like a black Ferrari
959
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,365
asking 15 million.
960
00:50:49,365 --> 00:50:51,015
Now on the auction block,
961
00:51:03,765 --> 00:51:06,645
we've obviously got two motivated
bidders at minimum, but I'd
962
00:51:06,645 --> 00:51:07,785
like to know where they are.
963
00:51:07,790 --> 00:51:08,655
Are they in the crowd?
964
00:51:08,655 --> 00:51:11,565
Are they up near the block on the phone?
965
00:51:14,745 --> 00:51:14,985
14,
966
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,100
or is that into hundred thousand
dollars increments there?
967
00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:21,300
Yeah,
968
00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:35,980
I want to see somebody
putting their paddle up.
969
00:51:42,740 --> 00:51:44,110
Sold at 15 million.
970
00:51:52,780 --> 00:51:53,510
They still bidding.
971
00:51:59,250 --> 00:52:01,905
Okay, so we've hit 15
million, now they're going 15.
972
00:52:01,905 --> 00:52:02,385
Two 50,
973
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:14,860
got it.
974
00:52:17,805 --> 00:52:18,345
15 two.
975
00:52:25,550 --> 00:52:25,900
50.
976
00:52:32,205 --> 00:52:32,655
Come on.
977
00:52:32,655 --> 00:52:34,245
50 50. Wrote
978
00:52:36,285 --> 00:52:42,165
asking 15 million, $500,000
for this one family.
979
00:52:42,165 --> 00:52:46,020
One couple from new, we are in
uncharted territory with right now.
980
00:52:57,150 --> 00:52:58,335
Where are the dragons?
981
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:00,585
Has as black car.
982
00:53:01,065 --> 00:53:03,045
Lord knows what that would be worth.
983
00:53:06,105 --> 00:53:09,615
That's a before or after conversation,
John, but we can't have that yet.
984
00:53:14,745 --> 00:53:16,635
Now asking 16 million
985
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,354
at, they've got 15,000,500
asking 16 million.
986
00:53:23,355 --> 00:53:26,340
15 million.
987
00:53:27,225 --> 00:53:28,035
Wow.
988
00:53:28,275 --> 00:53:29,505
16 million.
989
00:53:30,045 --> 00:53:31,426
They have a bid for 16 million.
990
00:53:40,365 --> 00:53:41,295
It's not often.
991
00:53:41,295 --> 00:53:44,895
I struggle for words, but I'm sort of
struggling for words at the moment.
992
00:53:44,895 --> 00:53:48,795
I, I was expecting this to make
about a million and a half or two.
993
00:53:48,795 --> 00:53:48,945
Right?
994
00:54:03,530 --> 00:54:06,465
They've got $16 million in the room.
995
00:54:06,705 --> 00:54:07,335
In the room.
996
00:54:10,905 --> 00:54:15,045
You know, John, it might have been cheaper
to buy everybody a beer in this stadium.
997
00:54:19,155 --> 00:54:20,355
I'm getting chills.
998
00:54:20,355 --> 00:54:20,685
I'm having.
999
00:54:20,805 --> 00:54:22,365
Anole moment today.
1000
00:54:22,875 --> 00:54:25,305
There's a bidder in the
room that just made the last
1001
00:54:25,305 --> 00:54:26,745
winning the last highest bid.
1002
00:54:37,965 --> 00:54:38,265
Okay.
1003
00:54:38,595 --> 00:54:41,175
16,000,500 is the, is the now
1004
00:55:05,985 --> 00:55:10,245
$16,250,000. Wow.
1005
00:55:11,355 --> 00:55:12,135
In the, I believe it's in the room too.
1006
00:55:13,185 --> 00:55:15,085
That's what, 6 million over record, right?
1007
00:55:15,795 --> 00:55:20,950
Yeah, 6 million over the, for
the record previous record
1008
00:55:23,330 --> 00:55:24,495
it, the classic car walk.
1009
00:55:24,495 --> 00:55:25,845
It's got some legs yet then.
1010
00:55:25,860 --> 00:55:26,830
Yeah, it does that though.
1011
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:30,225
This is that Bitcoin money, John?
1012
00:55:32,895 --> 00:55:32,955
Yeah.
1013
00:55:32,955 --> 00:55:33,795
I wish I'd gotten some of that.
1014
00:55:33,855 --> 00:55:34,335
My God.
1015
00:55:34,605 --> 00:55:36,555
It's Nvidia Tech stock cash outs.
1016
00:55:39,975 --> 00:55:42,135
Now here's a race car straight up.
1017
00:55:42,225 --> 00:55:43,875
Oh, Ferrari xx.
1018
00:55:43,905 --> 00:55:47,355
I mean Fxx talk about an
evolution off of the Enzo.
1019
00:55:47,715 --> 00:55:52,065
So wasn't this similar
to the Maserati mc 12?
1020
00:55:52,065 --> 00:55:52,275
Correct.
1021
00:55:52,275 --> 00:55:55,935
Was so which came first and I
believe the mc 12 is older and
1022
00:55:55,935 --> 00:55:57,615
then there was the mc 20 as well.
1023
00:55:59,895 --> 00:56:01,545
This is the only example in yellow.
1024
00:56:01,875 --> 00:56:05,985
Are these Fxx, is street legal or is it
one of these things where you would tow to
1025
00:56:05,985 --> 00:56:10,515
The William would know more on these than
we do, but I always thought Legend had it.
1026
00:56:10,785 --> 00:56:14,445
You couldn't actually own an FX
X. I thought it was one of the
1027
00:56:14,445 --> 00:56:17,505
cars that Ferrari would bring to
you when you wanted to drive it.
1028
00:56:17,715 --> 00:56:20,480
And then they would take it back to
Ello and keep it under lock and cube.
1029
00:56:20,775 --> 00:56:23,355
Is that, did they actually sell Epic X?
1030
00:56:23,745 --> 00:56:23,805
No.
1031
00:56:24,345 --> 00:56:25,755
I mean obviously they sold this one.
1032
00:56:26,175 --> 00:56:32,115
Yeah, after two years something or
something after or were special,
1033
00:56:32,505 --> 00:56:33,585
they let it out of the wild.
1034
00:56:34,365 --> 00:56:39,315
But Norm think the plan is or was
that they kept it and maintained it?
1035
00:56:39,315 --> 00:56:42,465
They would deliver Jack the whole
nine yards, but then they kind of
1036
00:56:42,465 --> 00:56:43,605
got a little more flexible with it.
1037
00:56:43,605 --> 00:56:43,665
Yeah.
1038
00:56:44,685 --> 00:56:46,305
How many FX sixes did they make?
1039
00:56:46,305 --> 00:56:47,175
Not many, right?
1040
00:56:47,295 --> 00:56:49,100
No, 25.
1041
00:56:50,250 --> 00:56:50,540
Okay.
1042
00:56:50,540 --> 00:56:51,315
25 cars.
1043
00:56:51,645 --> 00:56:52,500
And can you get it set?
1044
00:56:52,500 --> 00:56:53,265
It's all one in yellow.
1045
00:56:53,625 --> 00:56:56,355
Can you get it serviced at your
local Ferrari dealership or
1046
00:56:56,355 --> 00:56:57,705
does it have to go right away?
1047
00:56:57,705 --> 00:57:00,345
Back to Marin Will?
1048
00:57:00,525 --> 00:57:04,215
Yeah, I was gonna say, will Silicon
Valley Ferrari be able to look after
1049
00:57:04,215 --> 00:57:07,340
mine when I buy it or you know, my guess
would be they'd send it to a dealer
1050
00:57:07,340 --> 00:57:08,895
or they'd buy someone older maybe.
1051
00:57:11,535 --> 00:57:13,365
I mean that's if you
actually drive the thing.
1052
00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:20,865
Now I can't imagine an FXX would
sell for less than an Enzo.
1053
00:57:20,865 --> 00:57:21,975
It's way more rare.
1054
00:57:22,095 --> 00:57:23,505
It's way more capable.
1055
00:57:23,985 --> 00:57:24,615
I could be wrong
1056
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:38,175
if it does go for less than
the Enzo, the Enzo guy's gonna
1057
00:57:38,175 --> 00:57:39,765
look as if he had overpaid.
1058
00:57:40,125 --> 00:57:44,145
Yeah, it's sort of stuck
at 6 million right now.
1059
00:57:45,105 --> 00:57:47,385
I mean it's, it's kind of funny
to say that like, ah, it's
1060
00:57:47,385 --> 00:57:48,615
Monopoly money or something.
1061
00:57:48,615 --> 00:57:50,685
But yeah, it's, it's just sitting there.
1062
00:57:52,065 --> 00:57:57,285
I wonder if the difference in bidding
boils down to whether or not this
1063
00:57:57,285 --> 00:58:00,885
car is actually usable in the wild,
in the real world to some extent.
1064
00:58:00,885 --> 00:58:02,175
Listen to that exhaust.
1065
00:58:02,325 --> 00:58:03,135
Oh my goodness.
1066
00:58:04,095 --> 00:58:04,905
Pure race car.
1067
00:58:05,775 --> 00:58:06,855
I'm glad they started it.
1068
00:58:07,575 --> 00:58:09,585
So this is some unique
and theater, isn't it?
1069
00:58:09,585 --> 00:58:13,155
We leave the engine off until the
bidding stalls and when the bidding
1070
00:58:13,155 --> 00:58:15,165
stall, we turn that and motor on.
1071
00:58:15,735 --> 00:58:18,135
Well, and you also get a little
high off the fum, so you might
1072
00:58:18,135 --> 00:58:20,355
bid on it, you know, sold at.
1073
00:58:21,135 --> 00:58:22,575
6 million round.
1074
00:58:22,575 --> 00:58:23,115
Is that right?
1075
00:58:23,115 --> 00:58:24,075
6 million flat.
1076
00:58:24,525 --> 00:58:25,365
Interesting.
1077
00:58:27,735 --> 00:58:29,535
The Ferrari 360.
1078
00:58:29,625 --> 00:58:31,065
Now this example's a challenge.
1079
00:58:31,065 --> 00:58:33,945
Strada and I, for one, would love
to have a go in one of these.
1080
00:58:33,945 --> 00:58:40,485
'cause the first Ferrari I ever
drove was a, uh, 360 standard car at
1081
00:58:40,485 --> 00:58:42,495
Thruxton ton the circuit in England.
1082
00:58:42,495 --> 00:58:45,645
And it understood, oh my
God, I got bush out a hundred
1083
00:58:45,645 --> 00:58:46,995
miles an hour through church.
1084
00:58:47,895 --> 00:58:48,500
I was so disappointed.
1085
00:58:49,755 --> 00:58:54,915
We do that and I wanna charge one of these
challenge to make sure they don't do that.
1086
00:59:02,655 --> 00:59:06,495
William, would you be to tell me, is
the FXX uh, actually road legal here?
1087
00:59:06,495 --> 00:59:06,585
Yeah.
1088
00:59:07,425 --> 00:59:07,875
Wow.
1089
00:59:07,965 --> 00:59:09,255
Road legal race car.
1090
00:59:09,255 --> 00:59:13,005
Just slap some plates on
and yeah, it's awesome car.
1091
00:59:15,135 --> 00:59:16,395
Oh my gosh.
1092
00:59:17,175 --> 00:59:22,935
John claims that he made a 360 motor,
a under steer truck, and I, I'm
1093
00:59:22,935 --> 00:59:24,375
wondering if there's a pattern here.
1094
00:59:24,795 --> 00:59:26,235
Yeah, I don't know that it's the car.
1095
00:59:26,740 --> 00:59:28,215
I, I believe it might be the driver.
1096
00:59:29,505 --> 00:59:29,985
Understood.
1097
00:59:29,985 --> 00:59:30,345
Can be fun.
1098
00:59:30,345 --> 00:59:33,420
A good running joke in the studio,
John and his under steer cars.
1099
00:59:34,050 --> 00:59:38,775
Yeah, I, I should say we've, uh, offline
we were talking about this and, and you
1100
00:59:38,775 --> 00:59:40,420
think I turned into early, don't you?
1101
00:59:40,620 --> 00:59:42,315
I, I think you early apex my friend.
1102
00:59:42,315 --> 00:59:45,045
You, you need to go a little later,
a little deeper, a little later.
1103
00:59:45,405 --> 00:59:46,935
And that applies to a
lot of things in life.
1104
00:59:46,935 --> 00:59:47,355
But, you know, hey,
1105
00:59:50,895 --> 00:59:55,425
what do we make of the red accents
on this challenge to the red tail
1106
00:59:55,425 --> 00:59:58,395
panel and the red headlight inserts?
1107
00:59:58,395 --> 00:59:59,355
What do we make of that?
1108
00:59:59,355 --> 01:00:00,705
I, I'm gonna say this.
1109
01:00:00,825 --> 01:00:04,905
I am not a fan, but I am a
fan of like tinted headlights.
1110
01:00:05,205 --> 01:00:10,395
But then again, I do harken back to the
days of the Amber French headlights.
1111
01:00:10,395 --> 01:00:13,125
There's some, I love the
yellow headlights on something.
1112
01:00:13,125 --> 01:00:16,695
I think they just look super cool and
I've done that on a couple race cars
1113
01:00:16,695 --> 01:00:19,455
myself, where I'll convert them over
to have the French style headlights.
1114
01:00:19,815 --> 01:00:20,685
I, the red is.
1115
01:00:21,375 --> 01:00:26,925
It's a contrast to the yellow, but to me
it makes it feel a little bit too hot.
1116
01:00:26,925 --> 01:00:27,465
Wheels.
1117
01:00:29,115 --> 01:00:29,535
Yeah.
1118
01:00:29,595 --> 01:00:35,655
I could be wrong, but I believe this
example has all the kit that was
1119
01:00:35,655 --> 01:00:39,555
supposed to come, uh, be installed
for competition but never was.
1120
01:00:39,555 --> 01:00:41,775
It comes with the extra features.
1121
01:00:42,465 --> 01:00:45,825
But this to my understanding, this
car was never used in competition.
1122
01:00:46,575 --> 01:00:49,220
So does it have the roll cage and so does
it have the roll cage and everything?
1123
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,785
The all, all that does come with
the car, to my understanding.
1124
01:00:52,785 --> 01:00:54,915
And in the, the package of, uh, extras.
1125
01:00:55,155 --> 01:00:55,455
Okay.
1126
01:00:55,485 --> 01:00:58,845
It came with them and then there
was a directive not to install them
1127
01:00:58,935 --> 01:01:00,465
and the car was not to be tracked.
1128
01:01:01,035 --> 01:01:05,925
So you have a real challenge, STLE,
this is actually a, you know, not
1129
01:01:06,225 --> 01:01:07,660
fully fitted out for competition.
1130
01:01:07,660 --> 01:01:07,940
Yeah.
1131
01:01:07,940 --> 01:01:10,395
You challenge cat that
was truly full of Stle.
1132
01:01:10,740 --> 01:01:11,955
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
1133
01:01:11,955 --> 01:01:12,735
True to its name.
1134
01:01:12,855 --> 01:01:14,625
Which is funny 'cause I
learned through William.
1135
01:01:14,625 --> 01:01:19,815
There's actually a separate manual on how
to put together the challenge package.
1136
01:01:19,815 --> 01:01:22,935
They walk you through how to
install all those components to
1137
01:01:22,935 --> 01:01:26,445
include how the roll cage should
be welded and where it should be.
1138
01:01:26,445 --> 01:01:27,765
It's very, very intricate.
1139
01:01:28,095 --> 01:01:32,925
So could you take a 360 and
retro it into a challenge ada?
1140
01:01:32,925 --> 01:01:35,775
Yeah, because it's all boltons,
it's sort of a three series
1141
01:01:35,775 --> 01:01:37,995
BMW morphed into an M three.
1142
01:01:37,995 --> 01:01:39,555
What's the difference between the two?
1143
01:01:39,975 --> 01:01:41,865
For a long time it was Boltons, right?
1144
01:01:41,865 --> 01:01:45,015
So I think the same is very
true of these three sixties.
1145
01:01:45,015 --> 01:01:49,875
You can make them cup cars, but do you
wanna make them authentic cup cars or
1146
01:01:49,875 --> 01:01:51,255
do you wanna make them aftermarket?
1147
01:01:51,315 --> 01:01:55,485
And that's where you gotta make a
decision today getting a hold of a
1148
01:01:55,485 --> 01:01:58,305
Strada package that's still in the boxes.
1149
01:01:59,085 --> 01:02:00,375
That's as rare as the car itself.
1150
01:02:00,435 --> 01:02:04,425
Yeah, car just did a million
dollars, which I'd never, I never
1151
01:02:04,425 --> 01:02:08,505
would've imagined I would ever
see a 360, make a million dollars.
1152
01:02:08,535 --> 01:02:11,985
And that, I think that's goes straight
back to the fact that that kit was
1153
01:02:11,985 --> 01:02:15,555
never, uh, the, the factory equipment
was not put on for competition.
1154
01:02:16,185 --> 01:02:18,615
And I think it makes this
car even more interesting.
1155
01:02:18,825 --> 01:02:19,485
Right.
1156
01:02:19,665 --> 01:02:20,635
And you know.
1157
01:02:21,015 --> 01:02:23,655
And then, you know, the new owner
does have a decision to make.
1158
01:02:23,655 --> 01:02:27,555
And if it were me, I'd
covet the equipment, but I
1159
01:02:27,555 --> 01:02:28,815
would keep it the way it is.
1160
01:02:28,875 --> 01:02:30,135
I just, I'm that kind of a guy.
1161
01:02:30,225 --> 01:02:30,285
Yeah.
1162
01:02:30,675 --> 01:02:31,395
Yes, absolutely.
1163
01:02:31,485 --> 01:02:34,125
Because that yellow with the
red light, so just distinctive.
1164
01:02:34,125 --> 01:02:36,165
Everybody would know it was your car.
1165
01:02:36,165 --> 01:02:38,055
And I think for a lot of
collectors that's important.
1166
01:02:38,205 --> 01:02:38,745
Exactly.
1167
01:02:38,745 --> 01:02:42,675
And then I think you run into the
problem where if that challenge strada
1168
01:02:43,035 --> 01:02:48,585
kit is numbers matching to the car, if
you are this discerning enthusiast that
1169
01:02:48,585 --> 01:02:52,215
just bought this one, would you sell it
to somebody that wants to do what you
1170
01:02:52,215 --> 01:02:56,145
want to do, John, which is bolted into
a regular 360 to make it a cup car.
1171
01:02:56,385 --> 01:03:01,425
Now we've got this weird dilemma because
it's a very specific buyer who would want
1172
01:03:01,425 --> 01:03:07,095
to get that kick, but I think it sort of
just lives with the car in perpetuity.
1173
01:03:07,425 --> 01:03:12,375
To me it's similar to a, um, a
Dodge Demon with the demon crate.
1174
01:03:13,305 --> 01:03:17,415
And I'm always looking, if I,
when I'm, when I'm, uh, looking
1175
01:03:17,415 --> 01:03:20,505
at a car that's considering a car
that needs an auction description,
1176
01:03:20,505 --> 01:03:21,915
does it come with the demon crate?
1177
01:03:22,335 --> 01:03:25,395
And is it, and then even at
that, has it been opened even?
1178
01:03:25,395 --> 01:03:27,525
And it's sort of like I'd leave it alone.
1179
01:03:27,525 --> 01:03:28,695
Like the Ark of the Covenant.
1180
01:03:29,595 --> 01:03:30,325
Yeah, yeah.
1181
01:03:30,325 --> 01:03:30,700
You know what I mean?
1182
01:03:30,890 --> 01:03:34,785
Well, you know what happens when you open
that you've seen the movie, so Oh yeah.
1183
01:03:35,775 --> 01:03:38,085
Things that have been started
in the motion cannot be reversed
1184
01:03:38,085 --> 01:03:39,405
at from that point forward.
1185
01:03:41,175 --> 01:03:46,515
So we have this, uh, Daytona on
the block, a million dollar mark.
1186
01:03:46,695 --> 01:03:50,325
Looking at the provenance on this, it
seems like it was a car that the Backmans
1187
01:03:50,505 --> 01:03:53,235
very much used for showing purposes.
1188
01:03:53,235 --> 01:03:57,795
It seems to have won a, a number
of, of Concor in in the past there.
1189
01:03:58,635 --> 01:04:04,065
Of course, this is a very large part
of the Ferrari community that going
1190
01:04:04,065 --> 01:04:08,745
to shows the competition and, and if
you've ever done any show field judging,
1191
01:04:09,105 --> 01:04:14,295
you'll know that the Ferrari Club
has very high standards of judging.
1192
01:04:14,295 --> 01:04:17,715
I know some of the concourses I
judge at out on the West coast.
1193
01:04:17,985 --> 01:04:20,775
We let the Ferrari guys
judge their own class, judge.
1194
01:04:20,930 --> 01:04:27,825
Rest of it, 432 miles one of 19
produced in its color combination.
1195
01:04:29,205 --> 01:04:32,925
You've just gotta respect
this car regardless of color.
1196
01:04:33,675 --> 01:04:34,935
The yellow's interesting.
1197
01:04:38,145 --> 01:04:44,865
We're at 1,150,000 is the ask, you know,
you know what really stands out to me
1198
01:04:44,865 --> 01:04:49,245
about the design of this car that I maybe
don't notice in some of the other colors?
1199
01:04:49,245 --> 01:04:52,605
And I've said before, I'm not
a big fan of this body style.
1200
01:04:52,905 --> 01:04:58,575
I think it's that front turn signal that
really sort of turns me off in yellow.
1201
01:04:58,575 --> 01:05:00,885
It's apparent, it's like
this punch up in the eye.
1202
01:05:01,095 --> 01:05:04,335
I think maybe it was less noticeable
with the fiberglass front like
1203
01:05:04,335 --> 01:05:05,595
we saw in the previous car.
1204
01:05:06,015 --> 01:05:06,555
Interesting.
1205
01:05:08,175 --> 01:05:11,895
My feeling around that is, can
you see the, the side marker
1206
01:05:11,895 --> 01:05:13,425
to towards the, the end there?
1207
01:05:13,425 --> 01:05:17,145
Euro spec cars do not
have those side markers.
1208
01:05:17,145 --> 01:05:21,795
And for, for me, it's a small thing,
but those side markers are ugly.
1209
01:05:21,795 --> 01:05:26,265
I would certainly prefer a Euro spec
car a lot, and especially during that
1210
01:05:26,265 --> 01:05:29,235
time period, you know, in the early
seventies when they were, hadn't
1211
01:05:29,235 --> 01:05:32,085
introduced the big safety bumpers,
you know, all those kinds of things.
1212
01:05:32,145 --> 01:05:34,965
A lot of that stuff would
just bolted on, tacked on.
1213
01:05:34,965 --> 01:05:37,995
It's like, let's go down to the
local trailer supply store and
1214
01:05:37,995 --> 01:05:41,460
grab some rectangle reflectors and
glue 'em to the side of the car.
1215
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:46,695
It looks, I don't know, luckily, you know,
with some dental floss and a heat gun,
1216
01:05:46,935 --> 01:05:48,340
you could take a lot of that stuff off.
1217
01:05:52,845 --> 01:05:54,465
2 75 behind that one.
1218
01:05:54,465 --> 01:05:56,535
That combat, that's gonna
be another big number.
1219
01:05:59,145 --> 01:06:03,915
Oh yeah, this 5 75 m 625 miles.
1220
01:06:03,915 --> 01:06:10,575
The last example built for the US
with the, uh, rev ahr co, uh, roof.
1221
01:06:10,575 --> 01:06:12,015
I guess, uh, that changes.
1222
01:06:12,015 --> 01:06:15,525
Its, uh, very, its opacity, it flips back.
1223
01:06:16,995 --> 01:06:20,325
I've actually never seen
this reef style before.
1224
01:06:20,325 --> 01:06:20,775
I miss it.
1225
01:06:20,775 --> 01:06:23,085
When we were walking around yesterday,
I've never seen this before.
1226
01:06:23,895 --> 01:06:27,765
It'd be interesting to know, you know,
how that roof mechanism functions.
1227
01:06:27,795 --> 01:06:32,895
Uh, there was a factory patch or fix when
owners were having difficulty with it.
1228
01:06:33,465 --> 01:06:34,935
Great technological leap.
1229
01:06:34,965 --> 01:06:39,615
Uh, these roof, uh, designs are being in
use, uh, today with various manufacturers.
1230
01:06:41,175 --> 01:06:42,045
It's in yellow.
1231
01:06:42,855 --> 01:06:47,445
Again, just a, just a super
cool, interesting Ferrari,
1232
01:06:47,445 --> 01:06:48,825
modern Ferrari supercar.
1233
01:06:52,245 --> 01:06:56,565
It kind of reminds me in a way
of that Shelby series one that we
1234
01:06:56,565 --> 01:06:59,355
saw yesterday in its body lines.
1235
01:06:59,355 --> 01:07:04,665
I mean, again, the five 50 and five 70
fives, they're handsome grand tours, but
1236
01:07:04,665 --> 01:07:09,075
once you cut the roof off of them, I, I
I'm still trying to just put it together.
1237
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:09,820
You know, I'm trying.
1238
01:07:09,825 --> 01:07:10,515
You are correct.
1239
01:07:10,515 --> 01:07:10,815
Yeah.
1240
01:07:10,815 --> 01:07:13,995
I think that certainly speaks to
the era when these cars were, uh,
1241
01:07:13,995 --> 01:07:15,315
designed, developed, and built.
1242
01:07:16,215 --> 01:07:16,905
Absolutely.
1243
01:07:16,905 --> 01:07:19,875
It's got that look definitely
similarity to the series one.
1244
01:07:20,055 --> 01:07:22,425
And so we dive deeper into this roof line.
1245
01:07:22,695 --> 01:07:26,655
It's not a convertible, it's sort
of a targa or what we would have
1246
01:07:26,655 --> 01:07:28,035
called a targa in the seventies.
1247
01:07:28,215 --> 01:07:28,485
Yeah.
1248
01:07:28,695 --> 01:07:32,025
With a power operated
variable, uh, opacity roof.
1249
01:07:32,865 --> 01:07:37,995
There is a debate, isn't the between
five 50 and five seven fives because
1250
01:07:37,995 --> 01:07:42,105
the five seven fives were only available
with an automatic transmission,
1251
01:07:42,105 --> 01:07:46,425
whereas the five fifties, the earlier
cars were available with a stick.
1252
01:07:46,995 --> 01:07:51,975
So for me, the five 50 is always
more desirable than a 5 7 5.
1253
01:07:52,005 --> 01:07:56,505
'cause of that third pedal, especially,
uh, the, we're going through the, the
1254
01:07:56,505 --> 01:08:01,365
era when there's that transition from
the six speed and the F1 automatic
1255
01:08:01,365 --> 01:08:04,215
availability to the F1 automatic only.
1256
01:08:04,785 --> 01:08:07,545
It would be interesting to see
what both flavors of the car would,
1257
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:09,525
of the, of them would be like.
1258
01:08:09,945 --> 01:08:13,935
Well, and you know what's really good
about this 5 50, 5 75 conversation is
1259
01:08:13,935 --> 01:08:18,825
that William devoted an entire episode
to the nuances between the five 50, the
1260
01:08:18,825 --> 01:08:20,774
5 75, and which one you should or should.
1261
01:08:20,774 --> 01:08:24,764
Not invested and opportunities you
have to, let's say, modify them,
1262
01:08:24,764 --> 01:08:26,625
do the manual transmission swap.
1263
01:08:26,625 --> 01:08:29,460
So if you're wanna dive a little
deeper, I would take one of those.
1264
01:08:29,504 --> 01:08:31,934
I would take one of those cars
all day long because they won't be
1265
01:08:31,934 --> 01:08:33,674
worth the same as the original cars.
1266
01:08:33,674 --> 01:08:36,104
I would love a, a manual converted one
1267
01:08:38,859 --> 01:08:46,094
for me, A old fashioned, but this
2 7 5 GTB alloy four camp car that
1268
01:08:46,094 --> 01:08:50,415
is crossing the block at the moment
is my favorite of the Backman cars.
1269
01:08:51,314 --> 01:08:51,644
Yeah.
1270
01:08:51,644 --> 01:08:55,120
The best spec beautiful,
from what I understand is am,
1271
01:08:55,335 --> 01:08:56,804
am I correct or incorrect?
1272
01:08:56,804 --> 01:09:00,404
It's one of the last of the
really handbuilt Ferrari bodies.
1273
01:09:00,464 --> 01:09:01,904
I believe that to be true.
1274
01:09:02,444 --> 01:09:05,115
So that would've been
a scte body car, right?
1275
01:09:05,354 --> 01:09:06,045
I believe so.
1276
01:09:06,705 --> 01:09:14,144
There's a great article in Car and
Driver, I believe from 1967 where the
1277
01:09:14,144 --> 01:09:21,464
rider sat on a, on a bar stool with a 2
75 GTB and just considered it visually
1278
01:09:21,915 --> 01:09:28,214
for about a day and really could not
find one body dimension that matched
1279
01:09:28,214 --> 01:09:29,924
the one on the other side of the car.
1280
01:09:30,075 --> 01:09:34,665
Like the, the, the differences were
minute, but what they came up with at
1281
01:09:34,665 --> 01:09:39,734
the end was these are handbuilt creations
and we'll likely never see them again.
1282
01:09:40,484 --> 01:09:41,894
And isn't that great?
1283
01:09:42,285 --> 01:09:43,125
And you know what?
1284
01:09:43,604 --> 01:09:48,434
I don't care if my right rear rocker
panel is one millimeter off and if
1285
01:09:48,434 --> 01:09:52,995
somebody was actually working over
a form and, and beating panels,
1286
01:09:54,045 --> 01:09:55,304
because that's craftsmanship, right?
1287
01:09:55,304 --> 01:09:56,205
That's craftsmanship.
1288
01:09:56,460 --> 01:09:58,035
And and of course you're gonna see that.
1289
01:09:58,245 --> 01:10:03,014
Yeah, it's the kind of artisanal
craftsmanship that, you know, we love
1290
01:10:03,315 --> 01:10:09,884
craft bread and we are ready to pay
a premium for handmade crafted stuff,
1291
01:10:10,514 --> 01:10:13,424
stuff from before the machine age.
1292
01:10:13,905 --> 01:10:17,384
And it cars like this
absolutely symbolize that.
1293
01:10:18,134 --> 01:10:20,775
I would say about it, about these 2 7, 5.
1294
01:10:20,775 --> 01:10:26,264
So I, uh, I asked Ed Gilbertson,
who's very well known in the Ferrari
1295
01:10:26,264 --> 01:10:31,275
community, I asked him what, you
know, he's owned and driven Ferrari
1296
01:10:31,424 --> 01:10:33,405
for the last six or seven decades.
1297
01:10:34,214 --> 01:10:37,754
What's his, you know, from a purely
driver's perspective, what's the
1298
01:10:37,754 --> 01:10:39,014
best Ferrari you've ever owned?
1299
01:10:39,019 --> 01:10:41,684
And he said, A two cam, 2 7 5.
1300
01:10:42,195 --> 01:10:46,964
'cause the four cams did not make a lot
more power than the two cams and were
1301
01:10:46,964 --> 01:10:49,455
a lot more difficult to, to maintain.
1302
01:10:49,724 --> 01:10:55,785
So for him, the best driving Ferrari
price, no object to two cam 2, 7, 5.
1303
01:10:56,144 --> 01:10:57,795
No doubt with the steel body rate.
1304
01:10:57,795 --> 01:11:02,144
'cause those allied body ones too
expensive, too easy to paint the panels.
1305
01:11:03,014 --> 01:11:07,004
Now I'm not as much a Ferrari
historian as let's say William is.
1306
01:11:07,394 --> 01:11:10,455
These were Colombo motors right
at this point, or had they
1307
01:11:10,455 --> 01:11:11,684
already evolved past that point?
1308
01:11:11,684 --> 01:11:13,365
I believe, I believe they were.
1309
01:11:13,575 --> 01:11:13,875
Yeah.
1310
01:11:14,509 --> 01:11:15,500
Whole price on that.
1311
01:11:15,599 --> 01:11:21,674
That's a, the whole deal with
Colombo and lamp Brady Motors
1312
01:11:21,674 --> 01:11:23,174
is, is really interesting.
1313
01:11:23,174 --> 01:11:29,085
If, if you look into the 2 75 GB
four, um, the, the two V 12, both
1314
01:11:29,085 --> 01:11:33,075
the Colombo and the lamp radio were
available in increasing displacement.
1315
01:11:33,254 --> 01:11:37,335
And, and literally when Ferrari
was employing ano, it was the
1316
01:11:37,335 --> 01:11:39,644
Colombo motor that was developed.
1317
01:11:39,884 --> 01:11:41,804
But when he fell out with Colombo, he
1318
01:11:43,839 --> 01:11:45,915
was the motor that was developed.
1319
01:11:45,915 --> 01:11:49,665
Then when Lamp Brady left, we went
back to developing the Colombo.
1320
01:11:50,115 --> 01:11:54,105
You can tell, looking under the
hood by the spark plug position,
1321
01:11:54,105 --> 01:11:58,365
whether it's a Colombo or a lamb, I
forget which one has the plugs high
1322
01:11:58,365 --> 01:11:59,985
and which one has the plugs low.
1323
01:11:59,985 --> 01:12:01,125
But that's how you can tell.
1324
01:12:01,514 --> 01:12:02,745
Now here's a shape.
1325
01:12:03,434 --> 01:12:05,504
Here's a Ferrari that I really like.
1326
01:12:05,504 --> 01:12:07,695
I think these are underappreciated.
1327
01:12:07,695 --> 01:12:10,335
The Luso, this is a really pretty car.
1328
01:12:10,485 --> 01:12:14,174
Now we've talked about Enzo's
daily driver, which is the
1329
01:12:14,205 --> 01:12:16,365
three 30 Super America, right?
1330
01:12:16,365 --> 01:12:19,335
3 32 plus 3 32 plus two, right?
1331
01:12:19,724 --> 01:12:20,295
With that.
1332
01:12:20,775 --> 01:12:24,855
Weirdly Penta, you know, rear
glass thing that it's got going on.
1333
01:12:24,855 --> 01:12:29,295
I don't like it 'cause it, it, it takes
away from the sleek body shape that
1334
01:12:29,295 --> 01:12:33,855
you see in the Berlin Luso because
the cars are very similar in design,
1335
01:12:33,884 --> 01:12:39,105
but this still re retains all that
curvature, much like a 300 sl, right?
1336
01:12:39,105 --> 01:12:41,295
To me it's the Ferrari's version of that.
1337
01:12:41,700 --> 01:12:43,035
I, it's a very pretty car.
1338
01:12:44,025 --> 01:12:47,835
These are gorgeous cars and I love the
way the, the frontal treatment looks
1339
01:12:48,014 --> 01:12:52,785
almost like shark, like how it protrudes
just a little ever so much the hood.
1340
01:12:52,934 --> 01:12:55,485
And it's just a beautiful, beautiful car.
1341
01:12:55,934 --> 01:12:58,455
And it's glad I'm well, they've
been getting their due for years
1342
01:12:58,455 --> 01:12:59,745
now, but it's, uh, good to see.
1343
01:12:59,745 --> 01:13:01,724
And we're already at
2 million for the ask.
1344
01:13:06,165 --> 01:13:10,304
These are another Ferrari that
presents very, very well in silver
1345
01:13:10,304 --> 01:13:14,594
or black, right over the traditional
red or yellow, dark blue as well.
1346
01:13:14,955 --> 01:13:15,285
Yes.
1347
01:13:15,285 --> 01:13:16,934
Extraordinarily well in dark blue.
1348
01:13:18,519 --> 01:13:21,195
Is there an undesirable,
uh, color on these cars?
1349
01:13:22,754 --> 01:13:23,714
They're just so beautiful.
1350
01:13:23,955 --> 01:13:24,705
It's not yellow.
1351
01:13:32,144 --> 01:13:34,605
You're laying me the waist, but
yeah, you know what, it's nice to see
1352
01:13:34,605 --> 01:13:38,955
that a different, a different hue,
uh, a different color in the mix.
1353
01:13:47,235 --> 01:13:52,155
A rosso cor is amazing on any carb, on
any Ferrari, but this just something
1354
01:13:52,155 --> 01:13:54,224
more dignified about a color like this.
1355
01:13:56,205 --> 01:14:01,875
Well, as we just clip past the $2.3
million moment, I'm reminded of when I
1356
01:14:01,875 --> 01:14:08,445
was at an auction back in, oh, would've
been 2006, something like that, when
1357
01:14:08,445 --> 01:14:14,804
Steve McQueen's, Luso was sold and,
and made 2.3 million, which at the time
1358
01:14:15,075 --> 01:14:19,214
people will fall in off their chairs
at the thought of Aus making 2.3.
1359
01:14:20,775 --> 01:14:23,655
Yeah, we're back to that era again here.
1360
01:14:23,924 --> 01:14:24,615
This is great.
1361
01:14:27,105 --> 01:14:30,285
The stadium's still full looking for bids.
1362
01:14:32,295 --> 01:14:34,514
The ask is 2.6 million.
1363
01:14:36,045 --> 01:14:37,094
I really love this.
1364
01:14:37,094 --> 01:14:42,045
Just icy gray throws a little bit
of blue under these neon lights.
1365
01:14:42,585 --> 01:14:45,105
Obviously on tv it looks
different than it does in person.
1366
01:14:45,134 --> 01:14:46,815
It's a absolutely gorgeous car.
1367
01:14:47,625 --> 01:14:49,815
Yeah, it effect on tv, isn't it?
1368
01:14:49,820 --> 01:14:54,540
It looks far more blue in the coverage
that we can see in the studio here.
1369
01:14:55,059 --> 01:15:00,405
I, I would have to say as Ferrari
passenger cars go, I mean, we,
1370
01:15:00,405 --> 01:15:04,065
we can all sort of lean on the
3 0 8 and, and things like that.
1371
01:15:04,724 --> 01:15:07,934
This is, in my opinion, one of the best.
1372
01:15:08,144 --> 01:15:08,835
I really like it.
1373
01:15:09,105 --> 01:15:10,184
There's little doubt.
1374
01:15:10,184 --> 01:15:12,644
This is one of the most elegant Ferraris.
1375
01:15:15,134 --> 01:15:17,835
This is not the right auctioneer
to have doing the stars.
1376
01:15:20,144 --> 01:15:22,934
The guy's good, but he's
not the right person.
1377
01:15:25,365 --> 01:15:26,500
Why are you saying that with him?
1378
01:15:27,780 --> 01:15:33,735
'cause I mean, he just, I keep, all I
can think of is cattle her, not Drew,
1379
01:15:33,735 --> 01:15:40,665
because it's just, I'm thinking 67 to 72
Chevy C tens coming through and Blazers.
1380
01:15:41,655 --> 01:15:42,224
I love 'em.
1381
01:15:42,585 --> 01:15:43,214
You love 'em.
1382
01:15:43,275 --> 01:15:44,504
And, but there's a lot of them,
1383
01:15:48,825 --> 01:15:52,545
and I know there's a schedule and, uh, you
know, you gotta push them dogies through.
1384
01:15:52,545 --> 01:15:58,275
But, uh, these cars deserve to have, uh, I
think a little more, uh, possibly a little
1385
01:15:58,275 --> 01:16:02,504
more time and, well, I, I feel like we're,
we have a little bit of a breathing space
1386
01:16:02,504 --> 01:16:07,724
at the moment, but this is a car that's,
I also feel is stalled out at the moment.
1387
01:16:07,724 --> 01:16:11,594
And we've created a breathing space
only because it's not at the same level.
1388
01:16:11,594 --> 01:16:15,434
Like maybe as the buying audience
that just picked up that Enzo
1389
01:16:15,434 --> 01:16:17,144
and picked up the, the FXX.
1390
01:16:17,144 --> 01:16:17,594
Right.
1391
01:16:17,804 --> 01:16:20,474
That's a different, you know,
breed of collector or buyer.
1392
01:16:20,775 --> 01:16:22,065
Both these cars coming,
1393
01:16:24,195 --> 01:16:24,644
UPO one six.
1394
01:16:25,155 --> 01:16:25,424
Yeah.
1395
01:16:25,424 --> 01:16:28,155
Different you, you're right.
1396
01:16:28,155 --> 01:16:29,205
Different collector.
1397
01:16:29,205 --> 01:16:32,085
And I'd love to know what the
demographic, you know, metrics
1398
01:16:32,085 --> 01:16:34,004
are for the bid profiles here.
1399
01:16:34,394 --> 01:16:37,815
Obviously the company's probably
mining that and looking at it, but
1400
01:16:37,995 --> 01:16:41,415
it'd be interesting to see how the
market has shifted Who's going for
1401
01:16:41,415 --> 01:16:46,394
the classic, the rare, classic era
Ferraris, who's focused on the modern
1402
01:16:46,394 --> 01:16:48,014
and who's focused on the supercars.
1403
01:16:48,825 --> 01:16:53,384
And here we have the earliest
car in the Backman collection,
1404
01:16:53,535 --> 01:16:59,205
the 1953 or 1 66 mm body by vile.
1405
01:17:00,045 --> 01:17:06,285
Usually these one six sixes I think have,
uh, touring or pin in for bodies on them.
1406
01:17:06,735 --> 01:17:11,264
Noticeable to me, at least as a
vile lover, as the, the cutaway
1407
01:17:11,264 --> 01:17:13,424
spats under the headlights.
1408
01:17:13,424 --> 01:17:15,254
They, the way the body's been cut away.
1409
01:17:15,464 --> 01:17:19,424
And of course that mm, designation
refers to the mille milia.
1410
01:17:19,875 --> 01:17:24,105
And really, you can't talk about
Ferrari without thinking about the
1411
01:17:24,254 --> 01:17:29,054
milia, that figure of eight road race
around Italy that ran for so long.
1412
01:17:29,295 --> 01:17:35,264
Because for, for Ferrari, this
was the use case for his cars.
1413
01:17:35,445 --> 01:17:38,025
Winning the mil mil was
what it was all about.
1414
01:17:38,025 --> 01:17:40,094
It wasn't about selling lots of cars.
1415
01:17:40,094 --> 01:17:43,335
It wasn't about even
really about Formula One.
1416
01:17:43,335 --> 01:17:47,174
It became about Formula One
after the milli milia ended.
1417
01:17:47,205 --> 01:17:51,014
But when the mil mil was running,
that was what Ferrari was all about.
1418
01:17:51,254 --> 01:17:53,325
And this car was built for that event.
1419
01:17:55,214 --> 01:17:55,275
Yeah.
1420
01:17:55,275 --> 01:17:58,905
You know what's interesting about the
Al Body though, when I look at it,
1421
01:17:58,995 --> 01:18:03,344
if I wasn't in the know or didn't,
you know, appreciate these cars for
1422
01:18:03,344 --> 01:18:06,945
their history and whatnot, I look
at it and think British Roadster,
1423
01:18:07,004 --> 01:18:10,940
I think like AC Bristol, I think in
that direction in terms of the island.
1424
01:18:11,099 --> 01:18:17,565
'cause the, the AC ace was based on the
Ferrari 1 66 and of course the AC ace
1425
01:18:17,565 --> 01:18:20,775
was the car that Shelby took and became.
1426
01:18:21,105 --> 01:18:21,795
The Cobra.
1427
01:18:22,184 --> 01:18:27,974
So the Cobra styling wise is directly
related to the Ferrari one six.
1428
01:18:28,724 --> 01:18:36,644
What really excites me is how Vinali
could craft an elemental competition.
1429
01:18:36,644 --> 01:18:42,434
Roadster, like a spider body with events
at the rear, et cetera, events at the
1430
01:18:42,434 --> 01:18:49,035
side and a tight envelope body, and
yet make it look elegant and beautiful.
1431
01:18:49,665 --> 01:18:53,054
This would be an amazing car on
the road if you wanted to tour it.
1432
01:18:53,054 --> 01:18:57,525
And I believe I see, uh, road
rally stripes on the side.
1433
01:18:58,304 --> 01:19:02,474
It looks like Colorado brand possibly
that the Bachmans might use this car on.
1434
01:19:02,924 --> 01:19:07,695
And what a, what an amazing way to
go through a long distance road tour
1435
01:19:07,815 --> 01:19:11,324
slash rally than in, in this 1 66.
1436
01:19:11,355 --> 01:19:14,745
Uh mm. Beautiful and, and elegant.
1437
01:19:14,745 --> 01:19:16,605
And yet at the same time, effective.
1438
01:19:18,105 --> 01:19:21,344
Would you wear a helmet on the
Colorado brand in this car?
1439
01:19:21,405 --> 01:19:24,705
I'd wear a pilot's World War II
helmet and go aviator goggles.
1440
01:19:24,799 --> 01:19:26,025
I'd go like, I'd be like this.
1441
01:19:26,030 --> 01:19:30,285
I'd full, I'd Do you know, I'd want a
full head because there's no row bar.
1442
01:19:30,344 --> 01:19:31,695
Yeah, there's an easy car to turn.
1443
01:19:31,695 --> 01:19:32,865
Aren't, I mean, look at this guy.
1444
01:19:32,865 --> 01:19:35,325
He, he's probably five foot something.
1445
01:19:35,325 --> 01:19:37,724
He sticks way out over
the top of that car.
1446
01:19:37,730 --> 01:19:40,785
Well, the whole deal with the arrow
screens were was that they were minted,
1447
01:19:40,785 --> 01:19:42,974
the screen didn't come up to your face.
1448
01:19:42,974 --> 01:19:46,455
The screen was only designed to
throw the air over, over your head.
1449
01:19:46,665 --> 01:19:47,804
Yeah, like a deflector more.
1450
01:19:49,365 --> 01:19:50,865
That was low though.
1451
01:19:50,870 --> 01:19:52,184
That guy, guy, that was a one five.
1452
01:19:52,455 --> 01:19:53,205
That 1, 1 9.
1453
01:19:53,210 --> 01:19:55,575
It installed at one five
and then it went up to two.
1454
01:19:55,605 --> 01:20:00,615
When did you last see, uh, fifties
Ferrari with competition history
1455
01:20:01,004 --> 01:20:03,404
go for less than $2 million.
1456
01:20:03,615 --> 01:20:05,054
Yeah, that, it's the audience right
1457
01:20:07,275 --> 01:20:07,545
now.
1458
01:20:07,545 --> 01:20:11,115
This car 3 48, this was
always one of my favorites.
1459
01:20:11,205 --> 01:20:13,004
I felt like it was like the baby tester.
1460
01:20:13,335 --> 01:20:15,195
Yeah, it was the affordable one, right?
1461
01:20:15,195 --> 01:20:16,335
It had the same layout.
1462
01:20:16,634 --> 01:20:18,735
V eight powered instead of V 12 Powered.
1463
01:20:19,065 --> 01:20:19,335
Same.
1464
01:20:19,335 --> 01:20:19,964
Look and feel.
1465
01:20:19,964 --> 01:20:23,234
Obviously the T. The later
five 12 looks like a 3 48.
1466
01:20:23,565 --> 01:20:25,155
They kind of copied that front end.
1467
01:20:25,455 --> 01:20:26,714
I really like these.
1468
01:20:26,865 --> 01:20:28,724
I actually think it
wears yellow pretty well.
1469
01:20:28,724 --> 01:20:31,485
So I feel like a hypocrite saying
that, but you know, 'cause you
1470
01:20:31,485 --> 01:20:32,504
know how I feel about yellow.
1471
01:20:32,745 --> 01:20:35,860
But we won't hold that against
you, Eric, the MO press.
1472
01:20:35,889 --> 01:20:36,219
It's fine.
1473
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:38,745
The mojo press at the
time didn't rate them.
1474
01:20:39,495 --> 01:20:44,325
I mean, I'm not sure if I really believe
what the Moin press say, but that's
1475
01:20:44,325 --> 01:20:48,075
what I remember in period, that they
weren't as sharp as they might have been.
1476
01:20:48,375 --> 01:20:52,995
And it wasn't until the 3 5 5 came along
that they really became great cars drive.
1477
01:20:53,384 --> 01:20:58,035
What disillusioned me with the
3 5 5 was that F1 training with
1478
01:20:58,035 --> 01:20:59,144
that little joystick thing.
1479
01:20:59,144 --> 01:21:01,455
And I was like, you got
rid of the gated shifter.
1480
01:21:01,754 --> 01:21:04,964
So immediately I was sort of turned
off even as a young enthusiast,
1481
01:21:05,115 --> 01:21:07,545
I was like, that should have a
stick shift that shouldn't have
1482
01:21:07,545 --> 01:21:09,434
this weird flappy paddle thing.
1483
01:21:09,480 --> 01:21:13,815
And, and, and actually I feel as though,
and maybe it's true to, to engineering
1484
01:21:13,844 --> 01:21:17,535
chronology Ferrari was the first to
really start introducing the flappy
1485
01:21:17,535 --> 01:21:19,995
paddle gearbox into production cards.
1486
01:21:19,995 --> 01:21:20,535
Yes they were.
1487
01:21:20,535 --> 01:21:23,655
Because it was, they, because when
you were buying a Ferrari, you were
1488
01:21:23,655 --> 01:21:28,184
wanting to get Formula One technology
and the whole flappy paddle gearbox
1489
01:21:28,184 --> 01:21:29,745
is like a double win, isn't it?
1490
01:21:29,745 --> 01:21:33,045
I mean, I live in California and
they say the best way to make sure
1491
01:21:33,254 --> 01:21:36,224
you don't get your car stolen in
California is driver stick ship.
1492
01:21:36,644 --> 01:21:38,865
Nobody can drive stick anymore.
1493
01:21:40,815 --> 01:21:45,344
I have to say, you know, I, I know
Ferrari is known probably primarily for
1494
01:21:45,344 --> 01:21:52,004
its classic Enzo era, V 12 cars, but
bless them for bifurcating into the mid
1495
01:21:52,004 --> 01:21:56,924
engine V eight line and the heritage that
they've had since the seventies with that
1496
01:21:57,884 --> 01:22:00,285
and continuing in the V 12 tradition.
1497
01:22:00,464 --> 01:22:01,785
Hi, I, I gotta interrupt you Dave.
1498
01:22:02,235 --> 01:22:03,795
Coming up is William's car?
1499
01:22:04,214 --> 01:22:08,714
Yeah, we're gonna see him playing a
bid on this 400 high work in progress.
1500
01:22:11,264 --> 01:22:14,894
So this foot, the four hundreds
are unloved, aren't they?
1501
01:22:14,894 --> 01:22:16,964
This is a V 12.
1502
01:22:17,504 --> 01:22:20,714
You can get five speed ones V 12 Ferrari.
1503
01:22:20,775 --> 01:22:23,205
For what, under $50,000?
1504
01:22:23,205 --> 01:22:26,205
You can get air condition for four.
1505
01:22:26,684 --> 01:22:30,014
I would not buy one in front of 50,000
because that means it's gonna lead another
1506
01:22:30,014 --> 01:22:33,375
about $50,000 worth of work mechanically.
1507
01:22:34,245 --> 01:22:37,184
So a sweet spot would be
about 80 to a hundred.
1508
01:22:37,184 --> 01:22:38,714
'cause then, you know it's
been gone through the whole
1509
01:22:38,714 --> 01:22:39,884
nine yard service records.
1510
01:22:40,424 --> 01:22:42,554
You can jive it for about three
weeks, then you have to put
1511
01:22:42,554 --> 01:22:43,724
another 20 grand for mechanical.
1512
01:22:45,570 --> 01:22:47,115
They have the best reliability.
1513
01:22:47,115 --> 01:22:49,514
But I mean, just smooth.
1514
01:22:49,545 --> 01:22:51,855
I mean that's just a
grand tour right there.
1515
01:22:51,974 --> 01:22:52,245
Yeah.
1516
01:22:52,245 --> 01:22:52,575
I just love it.
1517
01:22:52,785 --> 01:22:55,304
PE people don't like the three box shape.
1518
01:22:55,304 --> 01:22:58,634
And I, I personally, I think these
are really good looking cars.
1519
01:22:58,634 --> 01:23:01,844
I like the Daytona nose and
I like the three box shape.
1520
01:23:01,875 --> 01:23:05,474
And I like the fact that there
is room in the backseat because
1521
01:23:05,684 --> 01:23:09,674
at least that way it is easier to
use a car that has a backseat, a
1522
01:23:09,674 --> 01:23:12,165
two seat car, you tend not to use.
1523
01:23:12,195 --> 01:23:13,094
'cause there's no room.
1524
01:23:13,094 --> 01:23:14,594
I just love the crisp styling.
1525
01:23:14,594 --> 01:23:15,195
The, the body.
1526
01:23:15,254 --> 01:23:17,745
Look at it's already, uh,
the ask is a hundred thousand
1527
01:23:17,745 --> 01:23:18,735
priced out right on the gate.
1528
01:23:20,264 --> 01:23:22,304
There's still, there's still
hope, there's still time.
1529
01:23:22,634 --> 01:23:25,275
So William, was it the 400 or the four 12?
1530
01:23:25,275 --> 01:23:26,115
That was in Rain Man.
1531
01:23:26,625 --> 01:23:30,134
400 I believe for the
movie nerds out there.
1532
01:23:30,134 --> 01:23:33,224
You know, one of these cars
was a celebrity for 15 minutes.
1533
01:23:33,224 --> 01:23:33,554
Yeah.
1534
01:23:33,915 --> 01:23:37,125
Was that the beginning when they
were in the import building?
1535
01:23:37,485 --> 01:23:39,375
You had those, that's what
you drove them around in.
1536
01:23:39,764 --> 01:23:40,455
Oh, that's right.
1537
01:23:40,964 --> 01:23:42,165
Wait, he's counting as jelly beans.
1538
01:23:42,434 --> 01:23:44,355
I haven't seen that movie in 30 years.
1539
01:23:46,035 --> 01:23:51,165
Alright, here we have that five 12 MI
love it or hate it with these headlights.
1540
01:23:51,224 --> 01:23:51,945
What do you think, John?
1541
01:23:51,945 --> 01:23:52,394
What do you think?
1542
01:23:52,424 --> 01:23:53,565
You're the design guy.
1543
01:23:53,684 --> 01:23:57,945
I am not a big fan of, of
these particular headlights.
1544
01:23:58,424 --> 01:24:04,365
I don't like it when on cows like Mazda
RX sevens, like FDRX sevens, they change
1545
01:24:04,365 --> 01:24:08,865
the popup lights to being behind the
plexi or they go the sleepy eye lights.
1546
01:24:08,865 --> 01:24:10,475
The, I'm just not a fan of that.
1547
01:24:11,085 --> 01:24:14,384
I feel like I like the tester
also having the popup lights.
1548
01:24:14,384 --> 01:24:17,565
This isn't a disaster for
me, but I, I prefer that that
1549
01:24:17,565 --> 01:24:19,065
straight, whole contr my friend.
1550
01:24:19,065 --> 01:24:20,500
I would not throw that this car outta my.
1551
01:24:20,775 --> 01:24:21,825
Rush fried crackers.
1552
01:24:21,825 --> 01:24:22,394
I'll tell you that much.
1553
01:24:22,394 --> 01:24:22,964
Okay.
1554
01:24:22,964 --> 01:24:29,804
But I will say in the defense of this
design idea, yeah, the F 40 LM looks
1555
01:24:29,894 --> 01:24:32,054
good with this style of headlight.
1556
01:24:32,054 --> 01:24:34,335
It just, I don't know, there's
something about the shape of the
1557
01:24:34,335 --> 01:24:36,254
five 12 that it doesn't wear it well.
1558
01:24:36,585 --> 01:24:36,855
Yeah.
1559
01:24:36,945 --> 01:24:37,545
I'll tell you what though.
1560
01:24:37,545 --> 01:24:41,139
Those wheels are awesome
with the curved spokes.
1561
01:24:41,139 --> 01:24:42,855
That is just incredible.
1562
01:24:42,855 --> 01:24:46,394
The classic Ferrari five spoke with
a bit of a curve on it, love it.
1563
01:24:46,575 --> 01:24:49,815
But they feel like an answer
to Porsche's turbo twist.
1564
01:24:50,115 --> 01:24:51,855
That's what that wheel looks like to me.
1565
01:24:51,855 --> 01:24:55,184
And actually because, well now you've
said that they spoil is spoiling for me.
1566
01:24:55,184 --> 01:24:55,785
You're welcome.
1567
01:24:55,844 --> 01:24:58,905
Now I can unsee it, but you
can't, what's also, if you
1568
01:24:58,905 --> 01:25:01,094
notice it's an optical illusion.
1569
01:25:01,184 --> 01:25:03,945
The wheel is probably 17
inches, maybe 18 inches.
1570
01:25:04,184 --> 01:25:08,565
But because of the rivets, to make it look
multi-piece, the wheel still sort of looks
1571
01:25:08,565 --> 01:25:11,985
like a 15 inch five star off of a 3 0 8.
1572
01:25:12,045 --> 01:25:16,004
And with its really high offset
being outboard of the car,
1573
01:25:16,065 --> 01:25:17,115
it looks a little strange.
1574
01:25:17,625 --> 01:25:21,195
I would want something like a
deep lipped fixie type of wheel.
1575
01:25:21,195 --> 01:25:24,134
You know, I know that's very German,
but I think it would just look better.
1576
01:25:24,134 --> 01:25:26,325
It would also maybe make
the headlights look better.
1577
01:25:27,884 --> 01:25:32,025
Now, we've not talked about the
bachman's relationship with the Ferrari
1578
01:25:32,205 --> 01:25:34,695
special order programs, have we?
1579
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:41,445
But this car's very illustrative of
these special order kind of programs
1580
01:25:41,445 --> 01:25:47,445
that Ferrari did and the way that
the Backmans worked with Ferrari
1581
01:25:47,474 --> 01:25:51,344
and had a special relationship with
Ferrari to have the cars customized
1582
01:25:51,344 --> 01:25:53,054
and exactly the way that they wanted.
1583
01:25:53,415 --> 01:26:00,014
So this guy yellow over yellow
wheels with blue accents, but
1584
01:26:00,014 --> 01:26:04,455
then there is blue, I wanna say
pinstriping, is that what we call it,
1585
01:26:04,455 --> 01:26:07,094
around interiors and, and strikes?
1586
01:26:07,275 --> 01:26:10,844
You know, it's, it's what we might say
in England, it's, it's a Marmite color.
1587
01:26:10,844 --> 01:26:12,464
You either love it or hate it.
1588
01:26:13,184 --> 01:26:16,695
Is this color combination though
the frontal treatment with the
1589
01:26:16,695 --> 01:26:20,115
blue cross the nose and then up
the, the longitudinal stripe?
1590
01:26:20,775 --> 01:26:26,415
Is that a nod to Belgian racing
blue, like Jacque Swats team?
1591
01:26:26,445 --> 01:26:32,594
Iie Beic and possibly, um, like the
original GTO there, isn't there one that
1592
01:26:32,594 --> 01:26:34,245
had a blue nose treatment like that?
1593
01:26:35,264 --> 01:26:39,165
I'm not sure about about that, but
I, I think you may be right, because
1594
01:26:39,434 --> 01:26:42,674
looking at this car yesterday, I
found myself thinking, you know, I,
1595
01:26:42,674 --> 01:26:46,754
I'm not a fan of the color combo, but
that stripe, I've never seen a stripe
1596
01:26:46,754 --> 01:26:51,075
where the color is on the air dam and
on the nose of the car, and then it
1597
01:26:51,075 --> 01:26:52,875
goes to the stripe up over the top.
1598
01:26:52,934 --> 01:26:58,485
It looks to me like a Tour de France
livery or, or a, a 62 to 64 GTO.
1599
01:26:59,775 --> 01:27:00,674
But I could be wrong.
1600
01:27:01,035 --> 01:27:04,605
It just seems to me like Akii,
uh, Frans, I think is what the
1601
01:27:04,605 --> 01:27:06,285
name of s SWAT's, uh, team was.
1602
01:27:06,705 --> 01:27:08,865
I'm wondering if that
might be the inspiration.
1603
01:27:08,865 --> 01:27:09,315
Somewhat.
1604
01:27:10,335 --> 01:27:12,495
It's unique car, unique treatment.
1605
01:27:15,344 --> 01:27:19,575
Well, judging by the $3 million that
we're at, at the moment, the unusual color
1606
01:27:19,575 --> 01:27:24,644
accommodation has not put off becomes
Florida bidders, and it's different.
1607
01:27:24,705 --> 01:27:30,014
You'll certainly not be the, uh, the same
as anybody else at a concor or an event.
1608
01:27:31,455 --> 01:27:32,775
You know what I like about this?
1609
01:27:33,254 --> 01:27:36,075
The Bachman's had a passion for Ferrari.
1610
01:27:36,554 --> 01:27:37,424
They truly did.
1611
01:27:37,440 --> 01:27:41,115
And, and, and also the
hobby of showing at events.
1612
01:27:41,985 --> 01:27:47,355
But to be able to go and spec out a
brand new Ferrari the way you want
1613
01:27:47,355 --> 01:27:53,325
it to fulfill your vision with the
factory in collaboration, to me, one
1614
01:27:53,325 --> 01:27:57,554
European delivery in one lifetime
of any car would be a thrill.
1615
01:27:58,365 --> 01:28:01,905
And they did this several times,
had cars built to their spec
1616
01:28:02,625 --> 01:28:04,184
by buying one of those cars.
1617
01:28:04,184 --> 01:28:07,934
You are becoming part of that legacy,
which is a really awesome thing.
1618
01:28:08,025 --> 01:28:08,775
Absolutely.
1619
01:28:08,775 --> 01:28:09,795
Right from the beginning.
1620
01:28:10,245 --> 01:28:12,165
You've got that right Dave.
1621
01:28:12,165 --> 01:28:13,304
I mean, I'm with you.
1622
01:28:13,695 --> 01:28:17,535
Granted, the, the car that's next
in line is a contradiction because
1623
01:28:17,535 --> 01:28:18,764
it's a different color combination.
1624
01:28:18,764 --> 01:28:18,884
Right?
1625
01:28:18,884 --> 01:28:23,144
We're going with a yellow with a. Lime
green accent over this yellow and blue.
1626
01:28:23,144 --> 01:28:26,924
And when I was sort of thinking
about it at first, I'm with John
1627
01:28:26,924 --> 01:28:31,245
in the sense that maybe it's not my
cup of Earl Gray, but maybe there's
1628
01:28:31,245 --> 01:28:32,865
some cultural significance there.
1629
01:28:32,865 --> 01:28:36,825
Maybe it's the colors of one of the,
the football clubs, or maybe it's part
1630
01:28:36,825 --> 01:28:40,995
of the logos of one of the polio horses
of Sienna or something like that.
1631
01:28:40,995 --> 01:28:44,264
Like we'd have to dig in a little
bit more to the Bachman story to
1632
01:28:44,264 --> 01:28:46,905
understand why they chose these colors.
1633
01:28:47,144 --> 01:28:51,134
And unfortunately maybe over time,
much like the Bianca Spial that we're
1634
01:28:51,134 --> 01:28:52,995
going to see later this afternoon.
1635
01:28:53,054 --> 01:28:55,155
It's one of those we may never know.
1636
01:28:55,844 --> 01:28:59,174
And sadly, and the thing is they
obviously, the Bachman's chose
1637
01:28:59,174 --> 01:29:03,855
these combinations and these
options purposefully with intention.
1638
01:29:03,945 --> 01:29:07,875
And I'd love to know the significance
of these colors and, and maybe it's
1639
01:29:07,875 --> 01:29:10,665
a conversation with somebody at
the factory to really nail it down.
1640
01:29:11,625 --> 01:29:13,424
And I would be open to that at any time.
1641
01:29:16,184 --> 01:29:21,405
And that's what makes Ferrari ownership
and Ferrari culture so fascinating.
1642
01:29:22,004 --> 01:29:26,445
There's so many unanswered questions
in a lot of respects that really
1643
01:29:26,684 --> 01:29:27,945
somebody knows the answer to
1644
01:29:41,384 --> 01:29:49,875
this one compared to the blue and yellow
one, for me is a challenge to want to have
1645
01:29:49,875 --> 01:29:52,155
in my collection as I use the reference.
1646
01:29:52,394 --> 01:29:55,394
Maybe it's a little too hot
Wheels it, it's maybe beyond that.
1647
01:29:55,394 --> 01:29:57,855
It feels like a basketball sneaker.
1648
01:30:00,585 --> 01:30:01,214
That's funny.
1649
01:30:01,214 --> 01:30:01,485
Yeah.
1650
01:30:01,724 --> 01:30:06,945
Well you know what, this car is a product
of its era too, and that's certainly when
1651
01:30:07,125 --> 01:30:11,684
things like basketball culture, sneakers,
they became kind of couture items.
1652
01:30:12,405 --> 01:30:16,065
And when you're in that league where
you're ordering and personalizing a
1653
01:30:16,065 --> 01:30:20,684
Ferrari with the factory's personalization
department to make a one of one.
1654
01:30:20,985 --> 01:30:25,934
A spoke car again, there's gotta be
some kind of a cultural significance,
1655
01:30:25,934 --> 01:30:27,615
personal connection, something.
1656
01:30:28,155 --> 01:30:31,184
This car is already,
they're at a $4 million.
1657
01:30:31,214 --> 01:30:37,214
Ask again, these cars are all
home runs out of the park.
1658
01:30:37,214 --> 01:30:41,115
I believe this one is
again, part of the magic.
1659
01:30:41,450 --> 01:30:42,825
They, they really are looking.
1660
01:30:42,825 --> 01:30:46,004
Yesterday I looked at these two cars
and I thought, just for the sake of
1661
01:30:46,004 --> 01:30:51,105
the backmans, I hope these cars bring
more than they would if they were just
1662
01:30:51,254 --> 01:30:54,525
standard colors and standard whatever.
1663
01:30:54,525 --> 01:30:58,275
But because it does kind of hurt the
eyes a little bit, you know, the yellow
1664
01:30:58,304 --> 01:31:04,304
and the green there again, clearly the
Florida audience is lapping up the rarity.
1665
01:31:04,964 --> 01:31:05,625
Absolutely.
1666
01:31:06,554 --> 01:31:07,275
Absolutely.
1667
01:31:09,945 --> 01:31:15,945
So let me put you in the mind of
factory worker, Giovanni Ti of
1668
01:31:15,945 --> 01:31:17,625
donuts that put this thing together.
1669
01:31:18,344 --> 01:31:19,575
That's Johnny bag of donuts.
1670
01:31:20,264 --> 01:31:23,474
The American listeners out there that
was putting this together, John, what
1671
01:31:23,474 --> 01:31:26,894
do you think he was thinking when he was
stitching together this green interior?
1672
01:31:28,125 --> 01:31:29,625
Bloody, the Americans would buy anything.
1673
01:31:32,504 --> 01:31:35,054
Well, isn't that, isn't that the
funny part of Ferrari history?
1674
01:31:35,054 --> 01:31:35,325
Right.
1675
01:31:35,325 --> 01:31:37,275
If they couldn't sell it,
take 'em to California.
1676
01:31:37,514 --> 01:31:39,014
'cause the Californians will buy anything.
1677
01:31:39,014 --> 01:31:39,344
Right?
1678
01:31:39,974 --> 01:31:43,094
Well that's what they used to say when I
worked at the Black Haw Black Hawk Museum
1679
01:31:43,094 --> 01:31:44,924
in, in Danville in northern California.
1680
01:31:44,924 --> 01:31:49,335
We had a, uh, salmon
over gray Ferrari 3 7 5.
1681
01:31:49,335 --> 01:31:51,644
And I used to look at it and
think it was the ugliest thing.
1682
01:31:51,644 --> 01:31:55,665
Then I learned about the 3 7 5
mojo and then suddenly I began to
1683
01:31:55,665 --> 01:31:57,464
think, oh, this is really cool.
1684
01:31:57,464 --> 01:32:02,714
It looks like the love child of
a 57 Chevy and a proper Ferrari.
1685
01:32:02,714 --> 01:32:05,625
But you know, it's like,
it's a real proper Ferrari.
1686
01:32:06,315 --> 01:32:10,605
Yankee Netti apparently set about that car
when it wouldn't sell on the East Coast.
1687
01:32:10,605 --> 01:32:12,585
You know, just put it out to California.
1688
01:32:12,585 --> 01:32:13,695
They'll buy anything out there.
1689
01:32:15,884 --> 01:32:20,594
Well, somebody just bought this erta
for four and a half million dollars.
1690
01:32:20,594 --> 01:32:20,775
Can you.
1691
01:32:22,125 --> 01:32:23,535
I'm gonna get my sneakers on.
1692
01:32:24,105 --> 01:32:25,094
I'd love to tour this.
1693
01:32:30,855 --> 01:32:34,184
Well now we'll see how the
BBI, uh, Ferrari five 12 BBI
1694
01:32:34,184 --> 01:32:37,065
performs against the 365, uh, bb.
1695
01:32:37,394 --> 01:32:42,134
Phil and Martha were clearly
real lovers of the bb Yeah.
1696
01:32:42,495 --> 01:32:44,445
Having what shape the aesthetic.
1697
01:32:44,445 --> 01:32:46,155
Yeah, absolutely.
1698
01:32:46,754 --> 01:32:49,634
Now, as I understand it,
they were large car dealers.
1699
01:32:50,325 --> 01:32:53,384
Did they have, uh, a Ferrari
dealership under their wing too?
1700
01:32:54,464 --> 01:32:54,825
Would you know?
1701
01:32:54,825 --> 01:32:56,025
I don't think so.
1702
01:32:56,500 --> 01:32:56,719
Hi.
1703
01:32:57,099 --> 01:32:57,719
Behind this.
1704
01:32:57,990 --> 01:33:01,514
Okay, good, reliable cars.
1705
01:33:01,575 --> 01:33:06,105
And, um, so every CRX owner in the
middle America contributed to this
1706
01:33:06,105 --> 01:33:07,394
collection at some point in their life.
1707
01:33:10,004 --> 01:33:12,974
Eric, you were asking about
styling differences between the
1708
01:33:12,974 --> 01:33:15,285
3, 6, 5 and the five twelves.
1709
01:33:15,375 --> 01:33:19,004
One fairly distinctive difference,
which I should have mentioned earlier,
1710
01:33:19,004 --> 01:33:22,394
is the early cars have six taillights.
1711
01:33:22,394 --> 01:33:23,985
The later ones only have four.
1712
01:33:25,275 --> 01:33:27,014
So this BB has four.
1713
01:33:27,105 --> 01:33:29,775
That yellow 3 6 5 has six.
1714
01:33:30,585 --> 01:33:34,240
So the function was just
kind of Tom, Don other.
1715
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:40,695
And the other thing is, those orange
reflectors are those lights, fog lights.
1716
01:33:41,540 --> 01:33:43,875
The, the flip up
headlights are behind them.
1717
01:33:44,264 --> 01:33:44,594
Yeah.
1718
01:33:44,955 --> 01:33:48,865
So those are running lights, the orange up
front turn signal, they're turn signals.
1719
01:33:52,210 --> 01:33:54,884
Could you imagine seeing
something this coming?
1720
01:33:55,245 --> 01:33:58,605
The other, you know, in the other
lane, uh, in oncoming traffic, uh,
1721
01:33:58,605 --> 01:34:00,165
when you're tooling around somewhere,
1722
01:34:03,014 --> 01:34:07,514
that would be a memorable
event sold at 550,000.
1723
01:34:08,264 --> 01:34:14,384
So in Ferrari speak, of course, GTB
Grand Touring Berlinetta, the hard
1724
01:34:14,384 --> 01:34:20,535
top GTS is the target model with
the, uh, removable roof panel here.
1725
01:34:21,014 --> 01:34:22,875
Is for spider indeed
1726
01:34:26,985 --> 01:34:28,155
early 3 0 8 Carre.
1727
01:34:28,815 --> 01:34:31,004
These later ones fuel injected.
1728
01:34:32,565 --> 01:34:34,275
That's where the eye comes into play.
1729
01:34:34,695 --> 01:34:35,775
Eye for injected.
1730
01:34:40,605 --> 01:34:46,275
I cannot believe the breadth and depth
and scope of this collection, and
1731
01:34:46,275 --> 01:34:48,674
I'm not trying to chill for anybody.
1732
01:34:48,764 --> 01:34:50,745
This is, this is thrilling.
1733
01:34:50,745 --> 01:34:58,514
We've got 1, 2, 3, 3
more pages of Boman cars.
1734
01:34:58,875 --> 01:34:59,835
This is fabulous.
1735
01:35:00,525 --> 01:35:04,785
Again, I just love sort of the
modern thrust of this collection.
1736
01:35:05,295 --> 01:35:08,955
They do pay tribute to some of
the classics, but this is really
1737
01:35:08,955 --> 01:35:11,745
unique, in my opinion, for a
single family Ferrari collection.
1738
01:35:12,945 --> 01:35:16,844
Well, and isn't it striking how the
cars that have underperformed and there
1739
01:35:16,844 --> 01:35:21,254
are a couple that look like they have
underperformed, have all been offset
1740
01:35:21,254 --> 01:35:23,445
by that crazy price for the Enzo?
1741
01:35:24,045 --> 01:35:24,674
It's interesting.
1742
01:35:24,740 --> 01:35:28,424
I, I don't know if it breaks
down to the logic of the run
1743
01:35:28,424 --> 01:35:31,394
order or is it the car itself?
1744
01:35:31,575 --> 01:35:32,924
There's more questions than answers.
1745
01:35:32,924 --> 01:35:34,575
When to, to your question, John.
1746
01:35:34,934 --> 01:35:36,795
Now we lean into another beautiful shape.
1747
01:35:36,795 --> 01:35:38,535
We're talking Dino 2 46 is here.
1748
01:35:38,835 --> 01:35:41,054
The Ferrari, that isn't a
Ferrari but is a Ferrari.
1749
01:35:41,205 --> 01:35:41,474
Right?
1750
01:35:41,565 --> 01:35:43,004
Because it doesn't carry a Ferrari badge.
1751
01:35:43,004 --> 01:35:47,894
It carries a Dino badge and it's in
commemoration of his dear departed Sun.
1752
01:35:48,254 --> 01:35:53,684
And always impressed with how gorgeous
these cars are and the precursor to the 3
1753
01:35:53,684 --> 01:35:55,245
0 8, and it's really the genesis of this.
1754
01:35:55,754 --> 01:35:55,995
Yeah, I know.
1755
01:35:56,745 --> 01:36:01,485
My understanding was, was that Dino as
an engineering student, was in, involved
1756
01:36:01,485 --> 01:36:07,754
in designing the V six motor that went
into the late fifties Formula One cars,
1757
01:36:08,085 --> 01:36:13,424
and it was a derivation of that motor
that went into this car, the Dino, and
1758
01:36:13,424 --> 01:36:17,924
since it wasn't a fourth B12 Ferrari,
Ferrari thought he would name the car
1759
01:36:17,924 --> 01:36:20,714
after his son, hence the the Dino badging.
1760
01:36:20,775 --> 01:36:22,754
Of course, nobody knew what a dino was.
1761
01:36:22,754 --> 01:36:24,915
There was a bit of a
challenge in the showroom.
1762
01:36:24,974 --> 01:36:29,565
So in short order, they ditched the
Dino badging and just put a straight
1763
01:36:29,655 --> 01:36:30,810
prancing horse on the, on the road.
1764
01:36:31,724 --> 01:36:37,094
That legacy is so poignant, but I like the
idea that they called it Dino and tribute
1765
01:36:37,424 --> 01:36:42,915
because it's, it's kind of like, it, it
lends to my mind more exclusivity, even
1766
01:36:42,915 --> 01:36:47,655
though it was an important production
model, 1,274 maiden, all of the 2 46.
1767
01:36:48,315 --> 01:36:54,615
But it's like Cher, you know, or,
uh, prince or why not Liberace?
1768
01:36:55,094 --> 01:37:00,075
It's a singular given name and I, I
really, I really kinda like that legacy.
1769
01:37:01,125 --> 01:37:04,785
We're at 825,000 for the ask on the Dino.
1770
01:37:05,144 --> 01:37:05,804
Fabulous.
1771
01:37:07,335 --> 01:37:11,264
Now, the, there are various versions
of these Dinos aren't there?
1772
01:37:11,264 --> 01:37:13,875
The early ones are two oh sixes.
1773
01:37:14,235 --> 01:37:18,165
And although the performance is less,
they are considered more desirable,
1774
01:37:18,165 --> 01:37:22,065
I think, and certainly more valuable
because of the rarity later models
1775
01:37:22,065 --> 01:37:24,405
that they called the big chair models.
1776
01:37:24,405 --> 01:37:28,695
I think specifically for the US
market, where the, the early cars
1777
01:37:28,695 --> 01:37:31,754
were, where they narrower body on
them, and I think the later ones had
1778
01:37:32,054 --> 01:37:36,495
bigger seats in a slightly wider body
to accommodate your bigger American.
1779
01:37:36,825 --> 01:37:43,275
So was this a p Farina design or was
this one of the other folks at Ferrari
1780
01:37:43,275 --> 01:37:44,775
that came up with this body shape?
1781
01:37:44,775 --> 01:37:49,514
Because the reason I ask is
it has that sort of bini feel.
1782
01:37:49,724 --> 01:37:55,094
It also reminds me of a Porsche 9 0 4,
which is around the same time period, but
1783
01:37:55,155 --> 01:37:58,545
obviously the 3 0 8 was body p farina.
1784
01:37:58,605 --> 01:38:01,545
So I'm guessing this is two
because it's an evolution, right?
1785
01:38:02,415 --> 01:38:06,464
Yeah, I, I, I'd have to check, but I
think this is a p and farina style car.
1786
01:38:06,940 --> 01:38:10,934
I, I think at this time far, I was
still not building the cars in house.
1787
01:38:11,235 --> 01:38:14,924
Um, and I'm not sure in
the fifties it was Scte.
1788
01:38:15,344 --> 01:38:19,575
Scte would often build the cars
that were styled by somebody else.
1789
01:38:19,785 --> 01:38:20,365
Scte was the.
1790
01:38:21,075 --> 01:38:26,865
The builder, the Dino never saw any sort
of, let's say, racing victories, not
1791
01:38:26,865 --> 01:38:31,155
officially from the factory, but that
motor lived onto victory in the large
1792
01:38:31,304 --> 01:38:34,139
RAOs in the WRC base in that motor won.
1793
01:38:34,155 --> 01:38:38,295
The last was, was in the car,
was the last front engine car
1794
01:38:38,295 --> 01:38:39,644
to win a Formula one grand pri.
1795
01:38:40,184 --> 01:38:44,714
It really is a significant engine and
if you think about it, it's a V six and
1796
01:38:44,714 --> 01:38:50,235
that racing engine was developed just
shortly after Launchy invented the V six.
1797
01:38:51,434 --> 01:38:53,775
So now we're looking at a F 12 TDF.
1798
01:38:53,775 --> 01:38:55,455
I know William likes these quite a bit.
1799
01:38:55,964 --> 01:39:00,134
Well, in that TDF thing, it
speaks to Ferrari naming cars for
1800
01:39:00,134 --> 01:39:02,085
races that they participated in.
1801
01:39:02,085 --> 01:39:05,985
This is a road rally around
France and TDF is two to fourth.
1802
01:39:07,559 --> 01:39:11,955
Uh, it's another car that also
reminds me of a viper in that
1803
01:39:11,955 --> 01:39:14,115
shape, and I wrong about that.
1804
01:39:14,504 --> 01:39:16,660
I also see C seven Corvette
in it a little bit.
1805
01:39:16,660 --> 01:39:18,644
Yeah, it's very much so, but it works.
1806
01:39:18,644 --> 01:39:20,804
I mean, I, I have no, no shade on it.
1807
01:39:20,865 --> 01:39:21,045
Yeah.
1808
01:39:21,045 --> 01:39:24,974
For, for me, this is one of the
best looking modern Ferrari.
1809
01:39:25,179 --> 01:39:29,264
I would agree with you that I love the,
I love the cuts in the rear fender that
1810
01:39:29,535 --> 01:39:33,525
make you think of the cuts in the fender
behind the front wheel of an F 40.
1811
01:39:35,054 --> 01:39:36,644
I'll just add, too bad it's yellow.
1812
01:39:41,144 --> 01:39:43,004
You know what, it's all in
the eye of the beholder.
1813
01:39:44,144 --> 01:39:46,394
I actually think this guy
looks pretty good in yellow.
1814
01:39:47,415 --> 01:39:49,155
I think like, like a Corvette.
1815
01:39:49,155 --> 01:39:49,785
It wears it.
1816
01:39:49,785 --> 01:39:51,195
Well, yes.
1817
01:39:52,065 --> 01:39:56,924
Now I will say it's hard to visualize
it on the TV because it's doing this
1818
01:39:57,045 --> 01:40:00,884
interesting reflection, but I would
say it's a little bit more gold
1819
01:40:00,884 --> 01:40:02,655
than just a straight fly yellow.
1820
01:40:02,894 --> 01:40:04,545
It looks like it has some metallic in it.
1821
01:40:04,724 --> 01:40:06,825
It would almost a satin finish.
1822
01:40:06,974 --> 01:40:11,325
Yeah, it does have a sort of satiny like
magnolia kind of color to it, doesn't it?
1823
01:40:11,620 --> 01:40:12,299
I, I like it.
1824
01:40:12,945 --> 01:40:17,415
And maybe because it's not the
regular yellow, it's gluten spicy
1825
01:40:17,415 --> 01:40:20,325
brown versus frenches yellow mustard.
1826
01:40:24,250 --> 01:40:26,099
It's more Dee, isn't it?
1827
01:40:28,839 --> 01:40:30,195
Mm. You're making me hungry.
1828
01:40:32,295 --> 01:40:33,945
Where's the guy with the
beer and the hot dogs?
1829
01:40:34,724 --> 01:40:35,714
Yeah, that's what we need.
1830
01:40:37,214 --> 01:40:38,054
It'd be appropriate.
1831
01:40:38,295 --> 01:40:38,894
Actually, you know what?
1832
01:40:38,894 --> 01:40:40,094
It would work inside the stadium.
1833
01:40:40,094 --> 01:40:45,855
Do you remember that James Bond movie
where the, the bond girl is named Zena
1834
01:40:45,855 --> 01:40:51,705
on a Top and there's that wonderful scene
where Bond and her are racing down into
1835
01:40:51,705 --> 01:40:54,405
Monaco on the winding road into Monaco.
1836
01:40:54,405 --> 01:41:00,735
And of course the car Zena on a top is
driving is a Ferrari 3 5, 5 convertible
1837
01:41:01,035 --> 01:41:02,384
just like we have crossing the block.
1838
01:41:02,384 --> 01:41:03,134
Now hers is red.
1839
01:41:03,134 --> 01:41:04,304
This is a Batman cars.
1840
01:41:04,304 --> 01:41:05,325
Of course it's yellow.
1841
01:41:05,835 --> 01:41:08,339
I'm more of a hard top
guy than an open top guy.
1842
01:41:08,420 --> 01:41:08,980
I agree with you.
1843
01:41:09,139 --> 01:41:09,740
I agree with you.
1844
01:41:10,120 --> 01:41:11,460
But this is a great looking car.
1845
01:41:11,610 --> 01:41:12,554
Yeah, it is.
1846
01:41:12,554 --> 01:41:13,065
It is.
1847
01:41:14,474 --> 01:41:17,474
You know it's funny you went to
that James Bond movie with the car
1848
01:41:17,474 --> 01:41:19,724
chase scene headed down into Monaco.
1849
01:41:19,724 --> 01:41:22,964
'cause I thought you were actually
gonna talk about Barbara Carrera as
1850
01:41:22,964 --> 01:41:27,525
Fatima Blush driving a Reno R five
Turbo being chased by James Bond on
1851
01:41:27,525 --> 01:41:29,835
A BMW motorcycle That I remember.
1852
01:41:29,835 --> 01:41:33,375
I don't, there's, there's not a BMW
motorcycle or a RiNo five turbo on
1853
01:41:33,375 --> 01:41:34,605
crossing the block at the moment.
1854
01:41:34,700 --> 01:41:34,820
I
1855
01:41:39,780 --> 01:41:40,339
I think it's
1856
01:41:45,644 --> 01:41:50,115
4 75 fer a Ferrari three five.
1857
01:41:50,115 --> 01:41:50,474
Five.
1858
01:41:50,474 --> 01:41:51,045
My god.
1859
01:41:51,315 --> 01:41:54,705
John, this 360, you and I
have talked about quite a bit.
1860
01:41:54,945 --> 01:41:56,115
It's another challenge.
1861
01:41:56,115 --> 01:41:56,264
Rad.
1862
01:41:56,865 --> 01:41:59,924
I don't know the provenance on this
one, whether or not the challenge
1863
01:41:59,924 --> 01:42:03,795
kid is in a box like the yellow one
was, but the color, when was the
1864
01:42:03,795 --> 01:42:05,415
last time you saw a green Ferrari?
1865
01:42:06,315 --> 01:42:07,995
I, I can't remember
the last time I saw it.
1866
01:42:07,995 --> 01:42:11,565
It's certainly a British racing
green Ferrari and, and surely
1867
01:42:11,924 --> 01:42:15,974
there cannot be very many challenge
stradas in British racing Green.
1868
01:42:16,245 --> 01:42:17,325
Oh, you looks pretty good in it.
1869
01:42:17,384 --> 01:42:17,875
I Beautiful.
1870
01:42:17,875 --> 01:42:19,754
You still got challenge
Strada Stripe, hasn't it?
1871
01:42:20,115 --> 01:42:20,575
And this is that.
1872
01:42:20,775 --> 01:42:21,045
Green.
1873
01:42:21,045 --> 01:42:26,684
I was talking about with the magnum fill
in 3 0 8 that they used, the 3 0 8 came
1874
01:42:26,684 --> 01:42:28,214
into green like this and it wears it.
1875
01:42:28,214 --> 01:42:32,325
Well I, I wish more Ferrari came
into color like this, but the
1876
01:42:32,325 --> 01:42:35,594
green pairs very well with a tan
interior that it has as well.
1877
01:42:36,045 --> 01:42:37,299
I think it was absolutely stunning.
1878
01:42:40,665 --> 01:42:45,099
I mean, William normally three sixty's
clock in at, is it standard 360?
1879
01:42:45,129 --> 01:42:47,745
Yeah, just standard 360 or even
an, even a regular challenge
1880
01:42:47,745 --> 01:42:52,995
Should, where are they coming in at
pricewise, your standard 360 Depends.
1881
01:42:53,415 --> 01:42:54,825
F1 train or a manual.
1882
01:42:55,424 --> 01:42:59,535
If you got F1 trade, depending on
miles, low, hundreds factory, six
1883
01:42:59,535 --> 01:43:02,835
feet high, hundreds, maybe even low
two hundreds depending on mileage.
1884
01:43:02,835 --> 01:43:03,075
Everything.
1885
01:43:03,075 --> 01:43:03,974
Like they have provenance.
1886
01:43:04,455 --> 01:43:05,775
They challenge the dollars though.
1887
01:43:06,014 --> 01:43:08,894
They're going through the
roof to all a million dollars.
1888
01:43:08,955 --> 01:43:12,884
Well this one here is already
a record, but it's the color.
1889
01:43:13,304 --> 01:43:17,054
But your standard challenge dollars
are approaching a million dollars.
1890
01:43:17,264 --> 01:43:17,565
Wow.
1891
01:43:17,565 --> 01:43:20,955
And two years ago, two years ago,
you probably could have got it for
1892
01:43:21,075 --> 01:43:23,504
300 grand, if not a little less.
1893
01:43:23,594 --> 01:43:24,615
He maybe even a year ago.
1894
01:43:25,125 --> 01:43:25,304
Damn.
1895
01:43:25,304 --> 01:43:26,415
Kept gone nuts.
1896
01:43:26,835 --> 01:43:30,045
And the challenge for rally, other than
all the bolt on race car stuff that
1897
01:43:30,224 --> 01:43:33,945
they come with, obviously, was there
actually a performance difference?
1898
01:43:33,974 --> 01:43:34,335
Yes.
1899
01:43:34,575 --> 01:43:35,025
Immensely.
1900
01:43:35,894 --> 01:43:36,945
'cause it's got definitely tranny.
1901
01:43:36,945 --> 01:43:38,504
They rework the ECU.
1902
01:43:38,504 --> 01:43:41,025
So your shifts are
faster, crisper like that.
1903
01:43:41,115 --> 01:43:42,075
It's more solid.
1904
01:43:42,075 --> 01:43:43,905
There's not so much chassis flex.
1905
01:43:45,045 --> 01:43:48,315
That's basically the pinnacle
of, of the 360 production.
1906
01:43:48,735 --> 01:43:49,934
That's how they all
should have been built.
1907
01:43:49,934 --> 01:43:51,224
That thing is phenomenal.
1908
01:43:51,254 --> 01:43:53,985
You talked about chassis stiffness,
all that, that comes from the fact
1909
01:43:53,985 --> 01:43:55,394
of having the roll cage and all that.
1910
01:43:55,634 --> 01:43:59,115
But if you have, let's say like the
yellow challenge tri that they had
1911
01:43:59,115 --> 01:44:03,014
earlier that didn't have that, you
basically just have a 360 with a chip.
1912
01:44:03,915 --> 01:44:06,195
Nah, I mean suspension everyth like that.
1913
01:44:06,195 --> 01:44:09,315
I mean there's more tweaks for the
motor than just to, but wouldn't
1914
01:44:09,315 --> 01:44:10,634
the suspension be in the boxes?
1915
01:44:10,634 --> 01:44:12,045
'cause you have to convert it over, right?
1916
01:44:12,045 --> 01:44:13,605
I mean, if you wanted to, yeah,
1917
01:44:15,945 --> 01:44:20,500
you could technically, but by
the time you purchased that.
1918
01:44:21,969 --> 01:44:24,615
Everyth and did it all so
that much as buy a real one.
1919
01:44:24,884 --> 01:44:28,724
Yeah, I mean the big thing that people
do though is on Standard 360 is they'll
1920
01:44:28,724 --> 01:44:30,884
buy the challenge front and rear grills.
1921
01:44:31,485 --> 01:44:34,245
So they'll put the front end on it and
the rear end on it, and then they buy
1922
01:44:34,245 --> 01:44:37,545
the wheels for it and then they fiddle
with the suspension and drop it to
1923
01:44:37,545 --> 01:44:40,815
make it look like it's challenge stroll
because it looks beautiful like that.
1924
01:44:40,844 --> 01:44:43,844
So that's what a lot of people
do it out in the market.
1925
01:44:43,844 --> 01:44:47,235
You'll see that because everyone will
market it or you'll be able to see it.
1926
01:44:47,235 --> 01:44:51,775
Clearly it's got a challenge, front
grill and rear grill and everything on it
1927
01:44:51,775 --> 01:44:54,075
because it just finishes off really nice.
1928
01:44:55,695 --> 01:44:58,065
We are back in the swing
of grand touring cars.
1929
01:44:58,065 --> 01:45:01,964
We've got a 5 75 Super America,
this is like, they drove this
1930
01:45:01,964 --> 01:45:04,275
from quite a bit, 1700 miles.
1931
01:45:04,815 --> 01:45:05,085
Oh wow.
1932
01:45:06,224 --> 01:45:09,434
I mean, when you have 46 cars, you
gotta spread the love a little.
1933
01:45:09,434 --> 01:45:11,714
You gotta drive all of them at
least every once in a while, right?
1934
01:45:11,714 --> 01:45:11,804
Yeah.
1935
01:45:13,330 --> 01:45:16,275
Well, I was gonna say is if you
have a larger number of vehicles,
1936
01:45:16,275 --> 01:45:20,025
it's actually hard to put a decent
number of miles onto vehicle.
1937
01:45:20,325 --> 01:45:25,155
If, if, if the Backmans used their
cars, they drove to and from a couple of
1938
01:45:25,155 --> 01:45:30,615
show events that might justify the two,
300 miles that they put on the cars.
1939
01:45:30,615 --> 01:45:32,594
They went to a show, they came back again.
1940
01:45:32,775 --> 01:45:32,975
That was it.
1941
01:45:32,975 --> 01:45:36,075
They only did one show with that
car, three shows with that car.
1942
01:45:36,075 --> 01:45:39,224
And that's why it has, maybe they took
it to a show and you know, went out to
1943
01:45:39,224 --> 01:45:44,775
dinner in a couple of times and you, if
you 40 cars, if you use one car every
1944
01:45:44,775 --> 01:45:49,035
weekend for a year, you know, you've got
enough cars to last you a whole year.
1945
01:45:49,035 --> 01:45:51,495
If I, I've not explained myself
pretty well there, but I think you
1946
01:45:51,525 --> 01:45:54,195
understand what I'm talking about,
these British math skills, you know,
1947
01:45:58,844 --> 01:46:00,644
we're using the metric system today, John.
1948
01:46:01,275 --> 01:46:01,995
Yeah, yeah.
1949
01:46:01,995 --> 01:46:03,674
No, Pam Shillings and Pence here.
1950
01:46:05,625 --> 01:46:08,565
Respect, I mean, I've gotta
deal with that myself.
1951
01:46:08,565 --> 01:46:11,355
A lot of conversions for our
Canadian contingent over here.
1952
01:46:11,355 --> 01:46:12,525
Yeah, absolutely.
1953
01:46:13,004 --> 01:46:15,134
So a brown dino.
1954
01:46:15,134 --> 01:46:19,004
Now, now we all know about the,
uh, that green dino that was
1955
01:46:19,004 --> 01:46:20,714
buried in the garden in LA for.
1956
01:46:20,775 --> 01:46:25,964
All those years, there's a lot of value
in the rare colored Ferrari, right?
1957
01:46:25,964 --> 01:46:26,235
Is that that brown?
1958
01:46:26,865 --> 01:46:28,304
Would you consider that brown?
1959
01:46:28,545 --> 01:46:30,464
You have to have a creative name for it.
1960
01:46:30,615 --> 01:46:31,485
Maroni.
1961
01:46:31,934 --> 01:46:33,554
Is it, did I pronounce it properly?
1962
01:46:33,554 --> 01:46:36,855
But you know, mar is actually
chestnut, like, ah, interesting.
1963
01:46:37,155 --> 01:46:38,655
I did not know Maroni.
1964
01:46:38,655 --> 01:46:39,674
It's like does, yeah.
1965
01:46:39,674 --> 01:46:40,995
So like the husk of a chestnut.
1966
01:46:41,025 --> 01:46:41,264
Yeah.
1967
01:46:42,165 --> 01:46:44,865
It's interesting and different.
1968
01:46:44,865 --> 01:46:46,245
And I'm liking it.
1969
01:46:46,394 --> 01:46:47,474
It's metallic too.
1970
01:46:47,474 --> 01:46:48,525
It's very interesting.
1971
01:46:48,525 --> 01:46:53,415
But now it's, it's brown was really
period appropriate in the early seventies.
1972
01:46:53,415 --> 01:46:54,344
A lot of cars came.
1973
01:46:54,554 --> 01:46:56,144
Shades of brown and earth tones.
1974
01:46:56,144 --> 01:46:56,894
We'll call them that.
1975
01:46:57,254 --> 01:47:02,115
It's got a very just sort of, I don't
know, dignified, elegant look to it.
1976
01:47:02,115 --> 01:47:02,594
It does.
1977
01:47:02,655 --> 01:47:02,924
Ken.
1978
01:47:03,019 --> 01:47:06,405
I, I would not have put this, uh, if
you'd have asked me before, if I hadn't
1979
01:47:06,405 --> 01:47:11,415
have looked at, you know, hacker's price
guide or whatever, I'd have suspected
1980
01:47:11,415 --> 01:47:13,724
that, uh, Dino was worth half a million.
1981
01:47:14,054 --> 01:47:15,045
And here we are.
1982
01:47:15,554 --> 01:47:18,165
Well on the way to three quarters
of a million for this one.
1983
01:47:18,165 --> 01:47:23,144
Well, during the last financial crisis
in 2009, I remember the finest Dino
1984
01:47:23,205 --> 01:47:25,155
available on the market at auction.
1985
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:25,995
At a high end auction.
1986
01:47:26,474 --> 01:47:28,394
175 to 190.
1987
01:47:28,875 --> 01:47:29,355
That's it.
1988
01:47:29,714 --> 01:47:34,424
That was all the money I used to,
I did a job one time selling area
1989
01:47:34,424 --> 01:47:36,344
or photographs, door to door.
1990
01:47:36,825 --> 01:47:40,514
I door knocked one house,
got talking with the guy.
1991
01:47:40,605 --> 01:47:42,134
He had a dino in the garage.
1992
01:47:42,134 --> 01:47:42,855
We got it out.
1993
01:47:42,855 --> 01:47:43,575
We sat in it.
1994
01:47:43,785 --> 01:47:44,745
We had a little look at it.
1995
01:47:44,745 --> 01:47:46,605
I didn't sell him an hour or a photograph.
1996
01:47:46,695 --> 01:47:47,865
I did look at his Dino.
1997
01:47:47,865 --> 01:47:50,775
He had paid 43,000 pounds for it.
1998
01:47:50,775 --> 01:47:54,134
Now that's the mid nineties, but,
oh, that's, is that most expensive
1999
01:47:54,134 --> 01:47:55,245
Dino that you were talking about?
2000
01:47:55,245 --> 01:47:56,594
Is that the one that Cher owned?
2001
01:47:57,764 --> 01:47:58,995
Not that I'm aware of, no.
2002
01:47:59,174 --> 01:48:01,844
Oh, I heard hers was worth
more because her butt cheeks
2003
01:48:01,844 --> 01:48:02,625
were in the seat, you know,
2004
01:48:05,684 --> 01:48:06,019
to throw back.
2005
01:48:06,025 --> 01:48:06,554
That's a good one.
2006
01:48:06,554 --> 01:48:07,754
Our drive through episodes here.
2007
01:48:07,754 --> 01:48:08,384
Oh, that's funny.
2008
01:48:08,625 --> 01:48:10,035
Here comes the most gorgeous car.
2009
01:48:10,035 --> 01:48:10,575
The whole lot.
2010
01:48:13,365 --> 01:48:17,955
You know, if it wasn't manual then
okay, you might be able to tolerate it,
2011
01:48:17,955 --> 01:48:20,625
but I don't understand this kind of.
2012
01:48:21,134 --> 01:48:23,684
Icing on top of the cake thinking
the bachmans were colorblind.
2013
01:48:23,684 --> 01:48:26,264
Well, it kind of looks like
icing on top of chocolate cake.
2014
01:48:26,264 --> 01:48:26,835
I mean it's, yeah.
2015
01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:29,115
Or like a cinnamon roll.
2016
01:48:29,115 --> 01:48:31,575
I mean, I'm trying to put a
positive spin on this thing.
2017
01:48:31,905 --> 01:48:32,865
It's breakfast food.
2018
01:48:33,860 --> 01:48:35,804
I mean that's, yeah, this
is gonna be a longer hate.
2019
01:48:35,804 --> 01:48:39,735
I mean, I believe the colors though, where
the product of the fact that it was a
2020
01:48:39,735 --> 01:48:45,795
Asante, so one of 60 examples and there
was something to do with the celebrations
2021
01:48:45,795 --> 01:48:48,014
of Ferrari's 60th anniversary.
2022
01:48:48,735 --> 01:48:51,644
And I think that was sort of
the root of the, of the color
2023
01:48:51,644 --> 01:48:53,384
combination, if I'm not mistaken.
2024
01:48:54,165 --> 01:48:55,514
Can we call it cappuccino?
2025
01:48:56,504 --> 01:48:57,045
I like it.
2026
01:48:57,075 --> 01:48:58,700
Cappuccino's delicious, right, Ryan?
2027
01:48:58,700 --> 01:48:58,900
Yeah.
2028
01:48:58,900 --> 01:48:58,980
Yeah.
2029
01:48:59,019 --> 01:49:01,365
So it's got, you got the coffee
and then you got the foam on top.
2030
01:49:01,605 --> 01:49:05,174
You know what, I think I would, daily
this is, it, is it more appealing now that
2031
01:49:05,174 --> 01:49:09,855
I've framed it that way, if anything with
caffeine, uh, that makes it work for me?
2032
01:49:14,054 --> 01:49:18,825
Well, we're already at 400 and
thousand, uh, 4 25 is the ask.
2033
01:49:19,155 --> 01:49:22,245
So we'll need to keep track of which
YouTube influencer bought this car.
2034
01:49:28,304 --> 01:49:31,695
Well, the, the buyer can be assured
that there's no other example
2035
01:49:31,695 --> 01:49:37,695
like this one of 66 12 scte ante,
if I pronounce that properly.
2036
01:49:37,724 --> 01:49:42,315
I just wanna confirm for the sheer
sake of science, brown is not a
2037
01:49:42,315 --> 01:49:44,264
color men or colorblind to Right.
2038
01:49:44,325 --> 01:49:45,344
It's blues and things.
2039
01:49:48,554 --> 01:49:49,184
You could be Right.
2040
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:53,535
So this was a conscious decision.
2041
01:49:54,315 --> 01:49:54,615
Yep.
2042
01:49:54,795 --> 01:49:57,134
It's uh, it was border
named by the Blands.
2043
01:49:58,754 --> 01:50:03,014
So if you want exclusivity, there's no
other one of the 60 that are like this.
2044
01:50:07,304 --> 01:50:12,674
I'm thinking this kind of look reminds
me of a, of a mid seventies Barcelona
2045
01:50:12,674 --> 01:50:15,795
edition, EMC Matador, and I liked it.
2046
01:50:16,155 --> 01:50:16,245
Oh, wow.
2047
01:50:16,275 --> 01:50:17,325
I liked it too.
2048
01:50:17,325 --> 01:50:17,820
You went there?
2049
01:50:18,075 --> 01:50:18,495
Oh yeah.
2050
01:50:18,495 --> 01:50:19,214
I had to go there.
2051
01:50:20,384 --> 01:50:20,775
Much fun.
2052
01:50:21,134 --> 01:50:23,379
Though, can we put the not
sure stripe of vinyl on it.
2053
01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:27,254
I'm not sure if the Batmans would
appreciate the a MC comparison.
2054
01:50:27,705 --> 01:50:28,365
Exactly.
2055
01:50:28,365 --> 01:50:28,785
We do though.
2056
01:50:29,299 --> 01:50:30,674
I, I very much appreciate that.
2057
01:50:31,065 --> 01:50:31,724
That is a reach.
2058
01:50:31,724 --> 01:50:38,025
I think the products of Kenosha, Wisconsin
are criminally, criminally unrecognized.
2059
01:50:39,224 --> 01:50:40,934
And by the way, I dig the gremlin.
2060
01:50:41,655 --> 01:50:42,615
Oh, I'm not afraid to say it.
2061
01:50:42,945 --> 01:50:48,344
You know, if you really wanted to go
full lampoon this thing, you could turn
2062
01:50:48,344 --> 01:50:50,144
the bottom part into a wood paneling.
2063
01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:52,379
Oh, the whole rule.
2064
01:50:52,610 --> 01:50:53,580
4, 6 5. That would be cool.
2065
01:50:53,580 --> 01:50:54,139
That wood rule.
2066
01:50:54,764 --> 01:50:55,815
That would be really cool.
2067
01:50:55,875 --> 01:51:00,014
It did, but then you'd be joking aside,
you would be hurt in the backmans
2068
01:51:00,045 --> 01:51:01,815
provenance to do that, would you?
2069
01:51:01,815 --> 01:51:04,785
When well painted faux wood green paneling
2070
01:51:06,915 --> 01:51:09,495
a car I knew 20 years ago is back.
2071
01:51:09,495 --> 01:51:13,365
It's a 96 Chevy Impala wagon Black.
2072
01:51:13,424 --> 01:51:17,264
And the, the, the owner's daughter
at the time, she put faux wood
2073
01:51:17,264 --> 01:51:20,504
grain that terminated in flames
on the rear quarter panels.
2074
01:51:20,894 --> 01:51:21,735
And it's delicious.
2075
01:51:21,735 --> 01:51:22,934
It's back for sale again.
2076
01:51:22,934 --> 01:51:23,504
And I want it.
2077
01:51:24,495 --> 01:51:27,224
So if you're listening, I'm in the market.
2078
01:51:27,884 --> 01:51:30,195
Well, we have yet another
3 0 8 on the block.
2079
01:51:31,214 --> 01:51:32,474
Something we haven't seen before.
2080
01:51:32,474 --> 01:51:36,735
And again, not so long ago, these were
sub hundred thousand dollars cars.
2081
01:51:36,735 --> 01:51:39,285
And here we are taking a cruise past 150.
2082
01:51:39,705 --> 01:51:41,714
But look, it is a early car.
2083
01:51:41,804 --> 01:51:47,384
It's a Backman car, so low miles, easy to
understand why the premium's being paid.
2084
01:51:48,075 --> 01:51:50,235
There's a dealer down the street from me.
2085
01:51:50,714 --> 01:51:54,285
It's, I say a buyer pay here a
lot, but sketchy say the least.
2086
01:51:54,285 --> 01:51:55,575
But you know, he gets decent stuff.
2087
01:51:55,575 --> 01:51:59,144
But you know, you get those like high
mileage stuff that it says no credit,
2088
01:51:59,144 --> 01:51:59,655
it says no credit checks William.
2089
01:51:59,655 --> 01:52:00,045
We get it.
2090
01:52:00,045 --> 01:52:00,165
Sorry.
2091
01:52:00,769 --> 01:52:04,724
But he gets in his short store
showroom, he gets some couple
2092
01:52:04,724 --> 01:52:05,835
nice pieces of inventory.
2093
01:52:06,165 --> 01:52:13,514
He's had an 84, uh, he's got a
black on black 3 0 8 super, like
2094
01:52:13,514 --> 01:52:16,125
9,000 miles immaculate, gorgeous.
2095
01:52:16,125 --> 01:52:19,125
He's had it for like two plus years
now because he's asking 95 grand.
2096
01:52:19,634 --> 01:52:20,745
So the guy's not out alone.
2097
01:52:20,775 --> 01:52:24,434
Because what you're getting, price
your wises, I mean Randy's have better
2098
01:52:24,434 --> 01:52:26,415
provenance one owner, stuff like that.
2099
01:52:26,474 --> 01:52:32,625
But, but surely really what you're saying
is the reason your guy can't sell it for
2100
01:52:32,625 --> 01:52:35,235
95 and that one just sold for two 10.
2101
01:52:35,535 --> 01:52:37,724
A lot of that is to do
with the atmosphere.
2102
01:52:37,754 --> 01:52:38,025
Yeah.
2103
01:52:38,085 --> 01:52:41,594
And the Buckman thing and the fact
that all these cars have come along,
2104
01:52:42,045 --> 01:52:43,934
boom, boom, boom, one after another.
2105
01:52:44,625 --> 01:52:49,424
Well, here we have a special 1
20 17 Ferrari, LA Ferrari apta.
2106
01:52:51,735 --> 01:52:53,504
This is a million dollar
car to start with.
2107
01:52:54,434 --> 01:52:57,644
What's the premium on the
APTA over the closed ones?
2108
01:52:57,644 --> 01:52:59,445
Is this the one, are they rare?
2109
01:52:59,445 --> 01:53:00,884
Ra 50%.
2110
01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:02,299
Wow.
2111
01:53:03,735 --> 01:53:04,575
40 50. Yeah.
2112
01:53:04,634 --> 01:53:05,295
It's massive.
2113
01:53:05,985 --> 01:53:10,214
Now the car that was formerly owned
by Sammy Hagar, the cream colored
2114
01:53:10,214 --> 01:53:15,165
one at Bear Jackson last year, was
that an app Herta, do you know?
2115
01:53:15,165 --> 01:53:16,365
Or if that was the coop?
2116
01:53:17,565 --> 01:53:18,134
I doubt not.
2117
01:53:18,434 --> 01:53:21,315
It'd be interesting to
be able to tease out.
2118
01:53:21,945 --> 01:53:22,335
Okay.
2119
01:53:22,335 --> 01:53:23,714
Coop versus Aita.
2120
01:53:23,985 --> 01:53:24,674
Wow.
2121
01:53:24,764 --> 01:53:26,415
Starting at 5 million in Oh yeah.
2122
01:53:26,415 --> 01:53:30,495
We're way past Sammy's three
and a half from last year.
2123
01:53:30,674 --> 01:53:35,535
So obviously celebrity provenance doesn't
make that big a difference in this market.
2124
01:53:35,535 --> 01:53:42,014
So a one of two 10 La Ferrari apta,
they're asking for 9 million now.
2125
01:53:42,014 --> 01:53:47,085
I was gonna say driving a, uh, Ferrari,
LA Ferrari now under Sammy Hager.
2126
01:53:47,085 --> 01:53:48,525
I can't drive 55.
2127
01:53:49,370 --> 01:53:49,660
Yeah.
2128
01:53:51,045 --> 01:53:51,165
Yeah.
2129
01:53:51,195 --> 01:53:53,325
You won't be driving 55 in one of these
2130
01:53:58,490 --> 01:53:58,780
nine.
2131
01:54:00,344 --> 01:54:03,195
Well, we rushed up to nine
and then it sat, hasn't it?
2132
01:54:03,200 --> 01:54:03,974
It stalled out.
2133
01:54:04,129 --> 01:54:04,420
Nine.
2134
01:54:06,014 --> 01:54:06,105
Nine.
2135
01:54:06,105 --> 01:54:07,394
We popped a clutch early.
2136
01:54:07,634 --> 01:54:11,445
That was that, that that Enzo
is looking OTT, is it not?
2137
01:54:11,450 --> 01:54:11,580
Yeah.
2138
01:54:28,995 --> 01:54:36,915
So the open air app, not celebrity
provenance, but certainly well
2139
01:54:36,915 --> 01:54:41,540
known and respected Ferrari
ownership from New by the Bachmans.
2140
01:54:42,554 --> 01:54:43,934
It's interesting to see the gap.
2141
01:54:44,025 --> 01:54:46,184
Is this new money looking for a home?
2142
01:54:47,115 --> 01:54:48,525
Uh, is this market correct?
2143
01:54:48,525 --> 01:54:50,504
Are we seeing a new trend?
2144
01:54:50,865 --> 01:54:52,620
Yeah, absolutely.
2145
01:54:53,174 --> 01:54:57,075
But you can definitely tell the money
is flowing to the more modern cars.
2146
01:54:57,405 --> 01:54:57,974
Absolutely.
2147
01:54:57,974 --> 01:54:57,985
Right.
2148
01:54:57,985 --> 01:55:02,865
There seems to be a breaking point at
the five fifties and the 3 55 range.
2149
01:55:02,865 --> 01:55:04,634
Anything older than
that is kind of selling.
2150
01:55:04,964 --> 01:55:07,155
Other than the tester Rosas,
which seemed to be an anomaly.
2151
01:55:07,304 --> 01:55:09,615
Everything else kinda seems to
be selling where it should be.
2152
01:55:09,974 --> 01:55:12,644
But these are just over
the top, as John puts it.
2153
01:55:12,855 --> 01:55:13,275
Yeah.
2154
01:55:13,275 --> 01:55:14,264
Sort like that one.
2155
01:55:14,264 --> 01:55:15,075
Six six.
2156
01:55:15,315 --> 01:55:18,075
They should have broken that out
and sent that somewhere else.
2157
01:55:18,105 --> 01:55:18,405
Yeah.
2158
01:55:20,474 --> 01:55:22,934
Oh, well, 10 million.
2159
01:55:32,235 --> 01:55:36,884
I can't help but feeling if I worked at
Ferrari, certainly if I was in finance
2160
01:55:36,884 --> 01:55:41,144
at Ferrari, I would look at these prices
that the cars make just a few years.
2161
01:55:41,144 --> 01:55:44,655
This is less than 10 years after
this car's sold and think, wow, we
2162
01:55:44,655 --> 01:55:46,379
undersold those cars a hundred percent.
2163
01:55:46,440 --> 01:55:50,835
Our price for selling new was too
low in a, in a big component of that.
2164
01:55:50,835 --> 01:55:52,545
This is a 2017 model.
2165
01:55:52,650 --> 01:55:57,240
And it's very easy to find online
how much things have inflated pri
2166
01:55:57,240 --> 01:56:02,219
in terms of price and how much money
has deflated in a lot of currencies.
2167
01:56:02,219 --> 01:56:04,049
I think it's a function of that as well.
2168
01:56:04,049 --> 01:56:08,490
And it, it's, I don't wanna be flipping
and say it's all relative, but on
2169
01:56:08,490 --> 01:56:12,719
the other hand, there's definitely
macro issues that have affected the
2170
01:56:12,719 --> 01:56:16,440
nominal prices, the numbers that
people are willing to bid versus
2171
01:56:16,860 --> 01:56:19,049
the true intrinsic value of the car.
2172
01:56:19,259 --> 01:56:21,929
But this is a, again,
another paradigm shift.
2173
01:56:22,440 --> 01:56:25,769
When you look at, again, the Sammy
Hagar car, not to keep going harping
2174
01:56:25,769 --> 01:56:29,639
on that, I think it was three to 4
million, three and a half, something like
2175
01:56:29,639 --> 01:56:31,440
that is what the, the winning bid was.
2176
01:56:32,070 --> 01:56:36,180
And you put that against where we are
at right now with, uh, with 10 million.
2177
01:56:37,980 --> 01:56:38,280
There we go.
2178
01:56:38,400 --> 01:56:38,490
Yes.
2179
01:56:38,490 --> 01:56:42,480
Even with the Backman provenance,
even with the premium for it being an
2180
01:56:42,540 --> 01:56:49,049
erta that still makes this car look
very highly priced in comparison to
2181
01:56:49,049 --> 01:56:52,349
the Hagar car, it's a significant
premium, uh, we're seeing here.
2182
01:56:55,365 --> 01:56:59,070
I, I would say, I, I think the celebrity
provenance thing is interesting.
2183
01:56:59,070 --> 01:57:02,339
I mean, there was a Ford Escort
that had been owned by Princess
2184
01:57:02,339 --> 01:57:05,129
Diana that made a ridiculous price.
2185
01:57:05,250 --> 01:57:09,480
I feel like the kind of person
who's buying a LA Ferrari is not
2186
01:57:09,480 --> 01:57:14,490
the kind of person who would pay
a premium for celebrity ownership.
2187
01:57:14,490 --> 01:57:19,469
If that celebrity ownership was a rock
singer, they might pay a premium if
2188
01:57:19,620 --> 01:57:21,540
that was a different kind of celebrity.
2189
01:57:21,540 --> 01:57:26,910
But to pay a premium for a rock star owned
car, you have to sort of be a rock fan.
2190
01:57:27,240 --> 01:57:31,230
And my sense is a lot of the people buying
these cars are not those kind of people.
2191
01:57:31,349 --> 01:57:32,099
I think you're right.
2192
01:57:32,099 --> 01:57:36,150
I think these are people that are making,
actually, despite the electric air here,
2193
01:57:36,809 --> 01:57:39,839
they're making quite sober decisions
on what they're willing to spend.
2194
01:57:40,950 --> 01:57:44,910
Do you think it's individuals
or do you think it's groups?
2195
01:57:45,030 --> 01:57:48,900
Do you think it's an individual bid or
do you think it's like a investment group
2196
01:57:48,900 --> 01:57:52,650
where three or four of us are gonna own
the car together and share it and share.
2197
01:57:52,650 --> 01:57:52,980
Highway.
2198
01:57:53,129 --> 01:57:56,730
And if it's an investment group,
they're very low profile and
2199
01:57:56,730 --> 01:57:58,110
under the, under the radar.
2200
01:57:58,589 --> 01:58:00,360
I, that's a great question.
2201
01:58:00,420 --> 01:58:03,570
I I do know that there's a number
of people that have tried to form
2202
01:58:03,570 --> 01:58:09,269
limited partnerships or hedge funds
or just pools, pools of money.
2203
01:58:09,360 --> 01:58:12,210
You know, maybe that's something
that's happening now too that could
2204
01:58:12,210 --> 01:58:13,830
explain some of these dollars.
2205
01:58:14,549 --> 01:58:18,000
I don't think anybody's really
being flippant with their bids.
2206
01:58:18,030 --> 01:58:24,389
I think that they're actually really,
you know, there's la clapping and crowds,
2207
01:58:24,389 --> 01:58:28,500
but I think people are actually really
digging in and doing their homework.
2208
01:58:30,030 --> 01:58:33,929
So it'd be interesting to see
the quarter 10 and a quarter
2209
01:58:34,410 --> 01:58:36,120
for the, uh, perala Ferrari.
2210
01:58:39,960 --> 01:58:41,519
We got another heavy hitter here.
2211
01:58:41,849 --> 01:58:45,389
We're going with a La Ferrari
coop instead of the erta.
2212
01:58:45,839 --> 01:58:48,179
So, interesting contrast between the two.
2213
01:58:48,179 --> 01:58:48,839
I've got pricing.
2214
01:58:49,019 --> 01:58:51,990
Well you're thinking 50%
difference between, you're saying
2215
01:58:51,990 --> 01:58:55,920
5 million for this one should
between five to six, maybe seven.
2216
01:58:55,950 --> 01:58:59,370
'cause of one owner the low miles
that then the question is, is
2217
01:58:59,370 --> 01:59:00,660
it's got the new battery in it.
2218
01:59:00,750 --> 01:59:01,559
Has that been done?
2219
01:59:02,730 --> 01:59:05,160
Uh, tell us about the new
battery in the old battery.
2220
01:59:05,160 --> 01:59:05,460
William.
2221
01:59:06,660 --> 01:59:08,639
Better cooling, more, uh, efficient.
2222
01:59:09,480 --> 01:59:12,540
You know, longer lasting and,
and it, what they just did a new
2223
01:59:12,540 --> 01:59:16,054
battery in the production life
of the car, or It was a war.
2224
01:59:16,285 --> 01:59:19,530
There's like a retrofit thing that
you can do that's got a retrofit.
2225
01:59:19,530 --> 01:59:22,410
It was done on a warranty so that
it didn't cost the owner anything.
2226
01:59:22,710 --> 01:59:27,059
Technology jumped so fast after this
couple years, five, 10 years, you
2227
01:59:27,059 --> 01:59:30,599
know, it was double the life of it.
2228
01:59:30,660 --> 01:59:31,170
Everything.
2229
01:59:31,170 --> 01:59:32,519
I mean, it just made sense.
2230
01:59:32,519 --> 01:59:36,629
So Ferrari actually did the right
thing and stepped up and replaced him.
2231
01:59:38,190 --> 01:59:41,490
Now William, is that a warranty
replacement or is that something
2232
01:59:41,490 --> 01:59:43,440
that's at an extra cost for the owner?
2233
01:59:43,469 --> 01:59:45,450
No, it was a warranty deal
that Ferrari did for him.
2234
01:59:45,690 --> 01:59:47,820
Oh, that's, that is
stepping up Absolutely.
2235
01:59:47,820 --> 01:59:49,589
For the customer that's
been like hundred, $200.
2236
01:59:50,910 --> 01:59:51,240
Wow.
2237
01:59:53,339 --> 01:59:55,620
Probably not a simple procedure
to do the change out either.
2238
01:59:55,620 --> 01:59:55,920
No.
2239
01:59:56,820 --> 02:00:00,540
We were sat at six for a little bit
there now, but now it's clicked on to
2240
02:00:00,839 --> 02:00:05,519
six and a half, which means we're a
good way beyond William's estimate of
2241
02:00:05,549 --> 02:00:09,299
uh, you know, the closed card being
worth half what the open one is.
2242
02:00:10,019 --> 02:00:11,700
It's only 15% over.
2243
02:00:11,700 --> 02:00:12,809
It's not that much of a jump.
2244
02:00:13,500 --> 02:00:15,660
It's an interesting
contrast between the two.
2245
02:00:15,660 --> 02:00:19,320
I mean, uh, just in terms of roof
style, I would prefer the coop
2246
02:00:19,320 --> 02:00:20,580
over the convertible, honestly.
2247
02:00:20,670 --> 02:00:21,330
Yeah, I would too.
2248
02:00:22,049 --> 02:00:25,290
That would be the world's fastest
hairdryer in open form, would it not?
2249
02:00:33,655 --> 02:00:37,259
I got six, 6 billion I should say.
2250
02:00:37,259 --> 02:00:44,820
This is the last US delivered LaFerrari
and this is a feature of the way that
2251
02:00:44,820 --> 02:00:50,580
the backmans like to collect as they
like to have as late a production car
2252
02:00:50,580 --> 02:00:52,410
as they, uh, as they possibly could.
2253
02:00:57,210 --> 02:01:00,299
That'll always be a selling feature
if we're down the road for somebody.
2254
02:01:00,420 --> 02:01:04,200
Ab absolutely provenance
and uh, single ownership.
2255
02:01:04,200 --> 02:01:08,934
And then here we are, 6.21, 6.1, 6.1
2256
02:01:11,125 --> 02:01:13,375
73 365.
2257
02:01:16,620 --> 02:01:17,820
William, you have another chance.
2258
02:01:17,820 --> 02:01:19,799
There's another work in
progress car here for you.
2259
02:01:25,620 --> 02:01:30,719
So he should say that the official
name of of the Daytona is 3 6 5 GTB
2260
02:01:30,719 --> 02:01:37,469
stroke four, the four B and the four
cam motor from the 2 7 5 GTB four
2261
02:01:37,980 --> 02:01:40,950
Daytona being the Daytona 24 hours.
2262
02:01:40,950 --> 02:01:46,559
And, and this being Ferrari's way
of, uh, reminding Ford that he could
2263
02:01:46,559 --> 02:01:50,400
still win some motor races and, and
won the Daytona 24 hours shortly
2264
02:01:50,400 --> 02:01:52,650
before this car came into production.
2265
02:01:52,650 --> 02:01:55,410
Hence everybody knew it as the Daytona.
2266
02:01:56,940 --> 02:02:01,769
That 1, 2, 3 photo finish though, uh,
I know obviously it's intentional, but
2267
02:02:01,860 --> 02:02:03,929
I'm wondering what Ford thought of that.
2268
02:02:03,960 --> 02:02:08,040
Did they just kind of go, oh, whatever,
or was that I would, I would love
2269
02:02:08,040 --> 02:02:11,490
to have been a fly on the wall at,
you know, Henry Ford the second
2270
02:02:11,490 --> 02:02:15,415
in the offices in, in Dearborn to
see what, what he thought of that.
2271
02:02:16,500 --> 02:02:22,710
I wonder if in the early seventies, if
Henry Ford was focused on the sport in the
2272
02:02:22,710 --> 02:02:24,780
way that he'd been focused on it before.
2273
02:02:24,780 --> 02:02:30,150
I feel like with the fuel crisis and
all of the general, you know, safety
2274
02:02:30,150 --> 02:02:35,070
stuff, the big bumpers, all of that kind
of stuff, I feel like Ford probably his
2275
02:02:35,070 --> 02:02:39,629
mind wasn't on the total performance
as it had been in the sixties.
2276
02:02:39,719 --> 02:02:43,469
They were very, very concerned, ready
at the top of Ford Motor Company, as I
2277
02:02:43,469 --> 02:02:48,254
understand it, when they abruptly pulled
the plug on Motorsport in 1970, and then
2278
02:02:48,450 --> 02:02:50,160
a little bit trickled out after that.
2279
02:02:50,160 --> 02:02:54,330
But I, I think they were really
afraid of being sued by, uh, the
2280
02:02:54,360 --> 02:02:56,759
Department of Transportation or
the federal government at the time.
2281
02:02:56,849 --> 02:03:02,759
GM thought in 60, the early sixties that
they would be broken up, um, with, uh,
2282
02:03:02,790 --> 02:03:05,040
antitrust or, uh, for being too big.
2283
02:03:05,730 --> 02:03:08,879
So performance was a linchpin
and all that, and, and it put
2284
02:03:08,879 --> 02:03:11,910
a target on these manufacturers
backs at the time in America.
2285
02:03:12,509 --> 02:03:15,089
So, yeah, I think you,
you're onto something there.
2286
02:03:15,360 --> 02:03:15,570
Now.
2287
02:03:15,570 --> 02:03:19,410
I will walk back what I said earlier
about not liking the design of the
2288
02:03:19,410 --> 02:03:24,540
Daytona, because in race trim, like
you're talking about John in the photo
2289
02:03:24,540 --> 02:03:28,620
finish and the cars that they took to the
mall, they are beautiful as a race car.
2290
02:03:28,679 --> 02:03:29,429
They really are.
2291
02:03:29,429 --> 02:03:33,269
Something about adding stickers to that
body shape does make all the difference,
2292
02:03:33,269 --> 02:03:36,839
at least for me, white, it's the
white pipe side off on the race cars.
2293
02:03:36,839 --> 02:03:36,929
Yes.
2294
02:03:36,929 --> 02:03:37,889
A thousand percent.
2295
02:03:38,040 --> 02:03:38,370
Yeah.
2296
02:03:38,820 --> 02:03:39,000
Yeah.
2297
02:03:39,000 --> 02:03:41,950
That it really does, it, it
really lends itself well to
2298
02:03:42,059 --> 02:03:43,559
like competition preparation.
2299
02:03:43,559 --> 02:03:44,219
Absolutely.
2300
02:03:46,740 --> 02:03:50,549
And these, it, it, you know,
like I said, it, uh, it was,
2301
02:03:50,849 --> 02:03:52,180
uh, one came second that the.
2302
02:03:52,650 --> 02:03:57,599
79, uh, 24 hours a Daytona long after
other competitors, uh, had retired.
2303
02:04:01,139 --> 02:04:05,280
Well, for a car that needs a full
restoration and probably another
2304
02:04:05,309 --> 02:04:10,650
two or $300,000 spending on it,
430 seems a pretty good price.
2305
02:04:11,730 --> 02:04:12,809
It does, it does.
2306
02:04:12,809 --> 02:04:17,040
This time I saw a car with a primer
colored body panel on it sell for more
2307
02:04:17,040 --> 02:04:18,210
than a quarter of a million dollars.
2308
02:04:18,420 --> 02:04:19,320
Yeah, right.
2309
02:04:19,740 --> 02:04:22,500
Well there's definitely value
to unlock with this one perfect
2310
02:04:22,500 --> 02:04:23,820
candidate for an LS swap.
2311
02:04:23,879 --> 02:04:24,299
I mean,
2312
02:04:27,030 --> 02:04:31,740
there's a white tester on my mind that
I can't forget about that needs an ls.
2313
02:04:33,389 --> 02:04:33,839
No, this
2314
02:04:39,264 --> 02:04:42,660
scoot 16 m Ooh, this guy
makes some big money.
2315
02:04:43,320 --> 02:04:44,490
These have been going
through the roof too.
2316
02:04:47,519 --> 02:04:49,379
So what's so special about the 16 m?
2317
02:04:49,379 --> 02:04:52,740
I don't, it's a four 30
scud just in convertible.
2318
02:04:54,030 --> 02:04:57,690
So the 16 m is indicative
of just being a convertible.
2319
02:04:57,690 --> 02:05:02,309
Yeah, but it's already called
the Spider Talk to Ferrari.
2320
02:05:04,799 --> 02:05:07,379
I forget what the meaning
behind the 16 m is.
2321
02:05:07,379 --> 02:05:09,059
There's something behind, I can't
remember what the heck it is.
2322
02:05:11,394 --> 02:05:14,639
It might be the 16 F1 championships.
2323
02:05:14,639 --> 02:05:16,830
They had had that possibly.
2324
02:05:16,995 --> 02:05:24,629
Oh, maybe So is this, uh, end of the
line run out kind of model, William?
2325
02:05:24,929 --> 02:05:25,320
Oh yeah.
2326
02:05:25,325 --> 02:05:27,389
'cause he had the four three
squad that this came after
2327
02:05:27,389 --> 02:05:28,860
that kind of as the last rod.
2328
02:05:28,860 --> 02:05:31,440
And they're incredible, incredible cars.
2329
02:05:32,129 --> 02:05:35,460
Well, surely it's the ref,
the, the final iteration of
2330
02:05:35,460 --> 02:05:38,700
the 360 4 30 kind of platform.
2331
02:05:38,700 --> 02:05:41,759
So if you get the very last one,
aren't you getting the very best
2332
02:05:41,759 --> 02:05:43,080
one with all the refinements?
2333
02:05:43,080 --> 02:05:45,960
Well, you know, you can't really
bundle a 360, 4 30 kind together.
2334
02:05:45,990 --> 02:05:48,690
'cause the four 30 is such a
completely different car than the 360.
2335
02:05:49,410 --> 02:05:52,589
But yeah, I mean it's that point you
just refined everything like that.
2336
02:05:52,920 --> 02:05:54,179
Because look what they came out with.
2337
02:05:54,179 --> 02:05:57,269
Then the 4, 5, 8 came out,
annihilated everything.
2338
02:05:57,330 --> 02:06:00,750
I mean, absolutely brilliant car,
you know, V eight natural just
2339
02:06:00,750 --> 02:06:05,280
screams, took everything they
learned and just created an absolute
2340
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:09,780
masterpiece in the 4, 5, 8, especially
when they got to the special out.
2341
02:06:10,320 --> 02:06:14,639
In answer to, uh, what our speculation
on the model designation, the 16 m
2342
02:06:15,089 --> 02:06:20,219
refers to Ferrari's 16 World Grand
Prix manufacturers, champions, titles.
2343
02:06:20,219 --> 02:06:20,429
Yeah.
2344
02:06:20,429 --> 02:06:24,059
Championships to the time,
uh, to through two step seven.
2345
02:06:24,059 --> 02:06:28,920
So William, you know, John's question
was really interesting because it made
2346
02:06:28,920 --> 02:06:35,129
me think, does the four 30 share more
lineage or more DNA with the 360 or
2347
02:06:35,129 --> 02:06:38,370
with the 4, 5 8 that came after it?
2348
02:06:39,629 --> 02:06:40,259
It's hard to say.
2349
02:06:40,259 --> 02:06:44,460
'cause the 360 4 2 looks so much alike
underpinning wise, it probably shares
2350
02:06:44,460 --> 02:06:48,420
more to 4, 5, 8, whereas, you know,
obviously a static's gonna share more.
2351
02:06:48,420 --> 02:06:49,019
360,
2352
02:06:51,809 --> 02:06:55,559
to me it's sort of like, it's like
the Cayman boxer thing, right?
2353
02:06:55,559 --> 02:06:59,339
When they went 9 86, 7 18, this
and that and the other thing.
2354
02:06:59,339 --> 02:07:02,309
And you're sort of like, you sort
of look at them and go, I recognize
2355
02:07:02,490 --> 02:07:04,200
that that's the boxer in the Cayman.
2356
02:07:04,500 --> 02:07:07,620
But it's those subtle
differences in those generations.
2357
02:07:09,509 --> 02:07:11,549
This seems mighty strong money.
2358
02:07:11,549 --> 02:07:15,360
I may answer 1.8 Mighty
strong money for a four 30.
2359
02:07:25,889 --> 02:07:28,650
All right, so now we just
gotta run to the mill four 30.
2360
02:07:28,650 --> 02:07:29,070
Scott.
2361
02:07:29,280 --> 02:07:30,179
Same color though.
2362
02:07:30,660 --> 02:07:33,210
There's a lot of cars here, isn't it?
2363
02:07:33,424 --> 02:07:37,139
I, I wonder if we might do what they
do in Italian movie theaters and
2364
02:07:37,139 --> 02:07:40,710
have a break in the middle so you can
get some ice cream and take a pee.
2365
02:07:40,799 --> 02:07:42,960
I mean, it is relentless, isn't it?
2366
02:07:43,200 --> 02:07:45,780
And if a motorcycle rode by a
Fellini film, it'd be great.
2367
02:07:47,309 --> 02:07:49,559
It's definitely an attack of, uh, Ferrari.
2368
02:07:49,559 --> 02:07:50,700
It's, it's amazing.
2369
02:07:51,780 --> 02:07:52,389
I mean, I will say that.
2370
02:07:52,650 --> 02:07:58,200
Crowd has thinned out since after the
Enzo crossed the block because you know,
2371
02:07:58,200 --> 02:08:01,615
maybe you got a little tired of seeing
Ferrari's and Ferrari's and Ferrari's.
2372
02:08:02,070 --> 02:08:06,719
I never thought I'd ever hear anybody
say, you know, that that could be a
2373
02:08:06,719 --> 02:08:09,000
reason you get it is like Ferrari fatigue.
2374
02:08:09,269 --> 02:08:10,650
Yeah, it's interesting.
2375
02:08:12,450 --> 02:08:17,129
The audience has definitely thinned and
it'll be interested to see if this second
2376
02:08:17,129 --> 02:08:21,629
F 40 that we have coming up shortly,
bing more or less than the previous one.
2377
02:08:21,629 --> 02:08:25,860
I, I didn't compare specifications
to understand about value, but it is
2378
02:08:25,860 --> 02:08:29,879
interesting that there was definitely
more of a buzz earlier in the day.
2379
02:08:33,000 --> 02:08:33,179
Yeah.
2380
02:08:33,179 --> 02:08:36,330
And the bidding has also seemed
to have slowed quite a bit.
2381
02:08:36,330 --> 02:08:39,240
So whatever money was in the
room might have been spent.
2382
02:08:40,080 --> 02:08:43,830
You know what I, we've seen a lot of big
numbers today, but I think that bidders
2383
02:08:44,580 --> 02:08:49,230
are, and their representatives obviously
in this space are doing their research.
2384
02:08:49,230 --> 02:08:50,160
They're doing their homework.
2385
02:08:51,059 --> 02:08:55,349
They are willing to bid what it takes,
but I don't think that they're willing
2386
02:08:55,349 --> 02:08:57,809
to throw money at the market either.
2387
02:08:57,900 --> 02:08:58,290
Right.
2388
02:08:58,349 --> 02:09:01,019
This is selective, it's stratified.
2389
02:09:01,440 --> 02:09:05,639
This is on a car by car basis
as we're seeing the results are
2390
02:09:05,639 --> 02:09:08,820
great, but on the other hand it's,
it's not something that, I'm just
2391
02:09:08,820 --> 02:09:10,320
trying to pick out the trend here.
2392
02:09:10,320 --> 02:09:14,429
What I'm seeing is good numbers, strong
numbers, we're gonna have to gonna
2393
02:09:14,429 --> 02:09:15,929
reflect on the rest of the market.
2394
02:09:15,990 --> 02:09:17,219
That's what you are asking.
2395
02:09:17,224 --> 02:09:22,320
Well, the fact that these are all
supermar, low mile cars that have
2396
02:09:22,320 --> 02:09:25,740
awesome provenance and because of
the yellow, it's very distinctive.
2397
02:09:26,129 --> 02:09:31,139
So that, that's three factors that
might really encourage bid to open
2398
02:09:31,139 --> 02:09:32,400
the checkbooks a little bit wider.
2399
02:09:32,400 --> 02:09:33,030
Totally correct.
2400
02:09:33,030 --> 02:09:33,389
Yeah.
2401
02:09:33,690 --> 02:09:39,420
No stories, quality cars, single or
limited ownership, low miles, they'll
2402
02:09:39,420 --> 02:09:45,000
always win the day as a complete amateur
to my contemporary sitting here with me.
2403
02:09:45,599 --> 02:09:49,290
I also feel like you're saying
there's no desperate bidding.
2404
02:09:49,290 --> 02:09:52,290
Like I must own a Ferrari
from this collection.
2405
02:09:52,650 --> 02:09:55,019
Silly money is just being
thrown at something to own it.
2406
02:09:55,230 --> 02:09:57,420
It seems very deliberate
what is being bought.
2407
02:09:57,420 --> 02:10:00,690
And that's just my completely
unbiased third party opinion here.
2408
02:10:00,690 --> 02:10:03,240
You know, kind of viewing what
I'm seeing unfold in front of me.
2409
02:10:04,349 --> 02:10:08,129
I'm getting a very intentional feeling
about how the bidding is shaping
2410
02:10:08,129 --> 02:10:09,719
up here and how it's continuing.
2411
02:10:09,780 --> 02:10:11,309
Absolutely right.
2412
02:10:11,339 --> 02:10:16,934
And you know, there's dozens more
Ferrari from this collection, but then
2413
02:10:16,980 --> 02:10:20,879
there are pages of it in the catalog,
but then we've got more collector
2414
02:10:20,879 --> 02:10:22,740
cars and then the Bianco special.
2415
02:10:23,040 --> 02:10:26,759
So it's interesting, you know, there's
gonna be some crescendos today for sure.
2416
02:10:27,724 --> 02:10:29,940
Five today.
2417
02:10:32,575 --> 02:10:36,269
I feel like we are trying to
really push this car up right now.
2418
02:10:37,080 --> 02:10:38,280
Yeah, I think you're right.
2419
02:10:39,990 --> 02:10:43,290
This is, I never thought I would
see a, I mean I never thought I
2420
02:10:43,290 --> 02:10:45,240
would see a million dollar, four 30.
2421
02:10:45,240 --> 02:10:46,589
I'm astonished.
2422
02:10:46,589 --> 02:10:48,179
Is it 1.3?
2423
02:10:49,019 --> 02:10:55,769
Is there a chance, David, that the
professionals in the space, you, maybe
2424
02:10:55,769 --> 02:10:59,670
some of the critics, maybe some of the,
the subject matter experts are gonna
2425
02:10:59,670 --> 02:11:03,299
take the results from this and just,
I don't wanna say discard them, but
2426
02:11:03,299 --> 02:11:04,980
push them to the side as an anomaly?
2427
02:11:05,610 --> 02:11:07,469
These might be outlier results.
2428
02:11:07,679 --> 02:11:08,490
Absolutely.
2429
02:11:08,490 --> 02:11:13,320
And, and I'll have to, when I, when
I'm working on reports for motor copia
2430
02:11:13,379 --> 02:11:17,370
is when I'm analyzing certain years
makes and models, I'm going to have
2431
02:11:17,370 --> 02:11:21,240
to be kind of measured as to how much
weight I put on the, in these results.
2432
02:11:21,299 --> 02:11:22,440
I think they're strong.
2433
02:11:22,530 --> 02:11:25,920
I'd love to see, you know, I can't wait
to see again with upcoming auctions
2434
02:11:25,920 --> 02:11:27,330
whether or not the trend continues.
2435
02:11:28,110 --> 02:11:29,280
So we've mentioned it before.
2436
02:11:29,280 --> 02:11:32,580
Some of the other place markers
for the market are going to be
2437
02:11:32,580 --> 02:11:34,290
the actions that follow this.
2438
02:11:34,290 --> 02:11:37,230
So where do you think
the breaking point is?
2439
02:11:37,230 --> 02:11:40,349
Is it going to be Monterey Car
Week, where that sort of settles,
2440
02:11:40,650 --> 02:11:43,620
if these numbers stick for the
year and for maybe next year?
2441
02:11:43,830 --> 02:11:47,190
Or is it gonna take something
else to really solidify the
2442
02:11:47,190 --> 02:11:47,940
numbers that we're seeing?
2443
02:11:48,690 --> 02:11:51,839
I think it's gonna be, uh,
an auction, uh, sort of week.
2444
02:11:52,740 --> 02:11:56,219
I auction week thing, we're
gonna have to watch Monterey.
2445
02:11:56,250 --> 02:12:00,389
Obviously everybody's watching
Amelia Island Scottsdale and
2446
02:12:00,389 --> 02:12:01,710
you know, Paris Retro Mobile.
2447
02:12:01,710 --> 02:12:02,400
Let's face it.
2448
02:12:02,400 --> 02:12:05,639
Let, that's more prevalent here
than ever before in North America.
2449
02:12:05,790 --> 02:12:06,839
Monterey for sure.
2450
02:12:07,019 --> 02:12:11,129
Monterey's gonna show whether this extends
and, and endures this trend or not.
2451
02:12:11,730 --> 02:12:13,110
That's going to be a big test.
2452
02:12:13,830 --> 02:12:17,490
So let's talk a little bit about buyer's
etiquette when it comes to these.
2453
02:12:17,490 --> 02:12:19,170
I mean, obviously it's
anybody's prerogative to do
2454
02:12:19,170 --> 02:12:20,250
what they want with their cars.
2455
02:12:20,250 --> 02:12:22,379
They could go drive them, they could
go track them, they could put 'em
2456
02:12:22,379 --> 02:12:23,940
in cold storage if they want to.
2457
02:12:24,210 --> 02:12:27,450
But let's say this car shows up
at Amelia in a couple of weeks
2458
02:12:27,540 --> 02:12:29,219
and they're trying to flip it.
2459
02:12:29,429 --> 02:12:33,120
Like, is that frowned upon in the
community or does it really matter?
2460
02:12:33,815 --> 02:12:35,099
I, I think it is actually.
2461
02:12:35,099 --> 02:12:39,929
I think that people can spot a
cynical, commercially driven decision
2462
02:12:39,929 --> 02:12:44,849
that if it's, um, monetary as, uh,
and that quick, I don't think people
2463
02:12:44,849 --> 02:12:46,980
appreciate the flippers as much.
2464
02:12:46,985 --> 02:12:50,639
I, I, I think there's all kinds
of room for arbitrage, buy
2465
02:12:50,639 --> 02:12:52,139
low, sell high in this market.
2466
02:12:52,440 --> 02:12:56,759
But if it's that quick of a turn of
an attempt to turnaround a, I don't
2467
02:12:56,759 --> 02:13:01,320
think it'll happen because it a hammer
because of consignment, uh, and marketing
2468
02:13:01,320 --> 02:13:04,200
deadlines and time windows for auctions.
2469
02:13:04,589 --> 02:13:09,000
So if any of these cars do come back
to market, I would suspect it, it would
2470
02:13:09,000 --> 02:13:11,429
only happen in, uh, Monterey or beyond.
2471
02:13:15,360 --> 02:13:20,879
So this four 30 Scot, we were
going up in $25,000 increments.
2472
02:13:20,879 --> 02:13:22,349
I mean, it really slowed down.
2473
02:13:22,349 --> 02:13:23,339
It was like the inside.
2474
02:13:23,339 --> 02:13:25,530
There were two people in the
room who really wanted it.
2475
02:13:25,650 --> 02:13:26,040
Yeah.
2476
02:13:26,519 --> 02:13:30,900
So what do you think is a grace period
if you bought this car as an investment
2477
02:13:30,900 --> 02:13:32,549
car, it's sort of like a first date.
2478
02:13:32,549 --> 02:13:34,410
You know, how long do
you wait till you call?
2479
02:13:34,650 --> 02:13:37,769
So how long do you wait before you
try to relist it in the market?
2480
02:13:38,009 --> 02:13:41,040
Because obviously these cars
are going to be followed.
2481
02:13:41,040 --> 02:13:43,620
They're very obvious which
collection they came from.
2482
02:13:43,679 --> 02:13:44,190
That's right.
2483
02:13:44,519 --> 02:13:45,509
That's exactly right.
2484
02:13:45,809 --> 02:13:49,320
I think maybe Monterey would probably
be an appropriate window to start
2485
02:13:50,160 --> 02:13:51,990
attempting to market any of these cars.
2486
02:13:52,950 --> 02:13:55,259
The prices here today
and the bid interest.
2487
02:13:55,710 --> 02:14:00,809
I think you're seeing that there's
sufficient interest and sufficient value.
2488
02:14:01,620 --> 02:14:02,700
People will try.
2489
02:14:02,879 --> 02:14:07,349
I hate it when people do try to
sell, resell something so quickly.
2490
02:14:08,460 --> 02:14:09,809
It's a tough call.
2491
02:14:09,929 --> 02:14:13,469
I'm hoping that enthusiasts and
real collectors will pick up these
2492
02:14:13,469 --> 02:14:18,900
cars and continue that legacy that
the boman started and respect it.
2493
02:14:19,440 --> 02:14:24,599
I'm not saying not use your car the way
you see fit, but what I'm saying is these
2494
02:14:24,599 --> 02:14:26,490
aren't just art to be hung on the wall.
2495
02:14:26,670 --> 02:14:31,589
These are machines that were meant
to either win races or establish
2496
02:14:31,594 --> 02:14:36,960
dominance on the road and I'd like
to see them used a little bit.
2497
02:14:38,009 --> 02:14:41,519
Well, as we kind of transition here to
another heavy hitter, which is gonna
2498
02:14:41,519 --> 02:14:46,620
be the second F 40 in the collection,
we do have a five 12 bbb, not A BBI,
2499
02:14:46,710 --> 02:14:49,230
that just crossed the block at 400,000.
2500
02:14:49,259 --> 02:14:51,509
The importance of this car, John,
we talked about it yesterday.
2501
02:14:51,750 --> 02:14:55,440
This is a Carbureted five 12, which
sort of sets it apart from the other
2502
02:14:55,440 --> 02:14:57,540
three that are in the collection.
2503
02:14:57,900 --> 02:14:58,980
The fuel injected one.
2504
02:14:58,980 --> 02:15:00,870
So that's the importance of this car.
2505
02:15:01,019 --> 02:15:03,120
I mean, aesthetically it's
the same as the other red one.
2506
02:15:04,410 --> 02:15:09,990
Yeah, it's a steady evolution and it's
more to do with American smog legislation
2507
02:15:10,170 --> 02:15:17,190
than it is to do with, you know, basically
smog legislation came in and, and Ferrari
2508
02:15:17,250 --> 02:15:20,370
introduced modifications to offset that.
2509
02:15:20,370 --> 02:15:26,250
So first, the bigger motor from the 3
6 5 model to the five 12 and then fuel
2510
02:15:26,250 --> 02:15:31,170
injection to just clean up what was
going into the, uh, into the tailpipe.
2511
02:15:31,469 --> 02:15:35,580
Of course, for the purist,
that carretta raws quite an
2512
02:15:35,580 --> 02:15:37,889
important thing for the purist.
2513
02:15:37,980 --> 02:15:43,320
The lightness of the 3, 6 5 versus
the five 12 is a significant factor.
2514
02:15:43,740 --> 02:15:47,160
So as we lean into this second
F 40, let me recap for you guys
2515
02:15:47,790 --> 02:15:49,679
the last one in the collection.
2516
02:15:49,679 --> 02:15:52,589
The other one, it's
twin, sold for six point.
2517
02:15:52,650 --> 02:15:54,179
Two 5 million.
2518
02:15:54,179 --> 02:16:00,660
So will this clock in the same, or,
well, we just passed five, haven't we?
2519
02:16:00,660 --> 02:16:02,309
Or right at five now
2520
02:16:07,355 --> 02:16:10,469
at 865 miles as of today.
2521
02:16:10,920 --> 02:16:12,719
And ordered new by the Bachmans.
2522
02:16:13,650 --> 02:16:16,589
I mean, this is, it'd be
interesting to see if this matches
2523
02:16:16,589 --> 02:16:18,030
the, uh, the other example.
2524
02:16:18,120 --> 02:16:22,259
Now, the other car had
half as many miles at 456.
2525
02:16:22,830 --> 02:16:25,019
What's that amount to a hundred
thousand dollars difference?
2526
02:16:25,019 --> 02:16:25,559
I mean, I don't know.
2527
02:16:25,799 --> 02:16:27,509
Yeah, we're gonna find out soon though.
2528
02:16:27,570 --> 02:16:30,360
They're both sub 1000, uh, mile cars.
2529
02:16:31,134 --> 02:16:32,699
I, I don't think it's about the miles.
2530
02:16:32,699 --> 02:16:36,420
I think it's that if you came
in by an F 40, you've either got
2531
02:16:36,420 --> 02:16:41,070
that F 40 or with the previous
car, or you are wanting it now.
2532
02:16:41,070 --> 02:16:44,279
I think that's what, or you're
trying to build the Fab five, right?
2533
02:16:44,279 --> 02:16:48,240
2 88, F 40, F 50 Enzo and so on that line.
2534
02:16:48,240 --> 02:16:51,449
So it'll be very interesting to see.
2535
02:16:51,449 --> 02:16:58,830
The F 50 is not too far away either,
but we are under where its twin was,
2536
02:17:03,570 --> 02:17:05,850
I need to rev this car
up a little bit though.
2537
02:17:06,059 --> 02:17:09,059
Really get the sense of that
flat plane crank V eight.
2538
02:17:09,629 --> 02:17:14,730
I've just realized the three
exhausts on civic type bars Yes.
2539
02:17:15,150 --> 02:17:15,990
From the Air Force.
2540
02:17:15,990 --> 02:17:16,410
Yes.
2541
02:17:16,920 --> 02:17:18,029
Never realized that before.
2542
02:17:20,070 --> 02:17:21,930
It was ahead of its time,
John, I keep saying Huh.
2543
02:17:53,160 --> 02:17:57,600
And you have 40 sell for 5 million,
$300, a bit of a gap, but hey,
2544
02:17:57,600 --> 02:18:00,449
what's a few hundred thousand
dollars for Ferrari F 40 buyers?
2545
02:18:05,100 --> 02:18:06,959
Oh wait, something I've never seen before.
2546
02:18:06,990 --> 02:18:08,070
Uh, Ferrari five 12.
2547
02:18:09,510 --> 02:18:11,279
Well, this one's A PBI, isn't it?
2548
02:18:12,150 --> 02:18:12,330
Yeah.
2549
02:18:12,330 --> 02:18:13,559
This is the fuel injected one.
2550
02:18:17,340 --> 02:18:20,580
I wonder what it was about
bbs that the Buckman so liked.
2551
02:18:20,580 --> 02:18:25,830
I wonder if it was the shape or if it
was the way that they drove, or quite
2552
02:18:25,830 --> 02:18:30,959
what it was that was the attraction,
or it was a moment in time where it
2553
02:18:30,959 --> 02:18:34,949
was a Ferrari that was easy to pick
up because nobody really wanted them.
2554
02:18:35,100 --> 02:18:35,430
Right.
2555
02:18:35,715 --> 02:18:38,309
It, it could be a child of circumstance.
2556
02:18:38,430 --> 02:18:38,940
Yeah.
2557
02:18:38,940 --> 02:18:42,480
There, there was a period,
wasn't that 15 years ago when
2558
02:18:42,480 --> 02:18:46,590
these were 30, 40, $50,000 cars?
2559
02:18:48,209 --> 02:18:51,389
You know, from what I've been seeing
over the, over the years in the,
2560
02:18:51,389 --> 02:18:56,400
in the business, there were a lot
of, um, wealthier professionals.
2561
02:18:56,940 --> 02:18:59,070
Again, academics and major universities.
2562
02:18:59,070 --> 02:19:01,740
The Chicago area especially.
2563
02:19:01,740 --> 02:19:04,494
Uh, there seemed to be a group of
professors that really liked the BBB
2564
02:19:04,494 --> 02:19:07,740
and the BBI had a sense of adventure.
2565
02:19:07,799 --> 02:19:09,779
Uh, some of them were pilots too.
2566
02:19:09,869 --> 02:19:12,299
Uh, just their lives were different.
2567
02:19:13,139 --> 02:19:14,549
Inflation was different.
2568
02:19:14,879 --> 02:19:16,020
Wealth was different.
2569
02:19:17,094 --> 02:19:22,410
A a working professional could
aspire to and achieve a BB if they
2570
02:19:22,410 --> 02:19:24,240
had, you know, everything in order.
2571
02:19:24,809 --> 02:19:30,150
And, uh, it just seems like, um,
now they've become, after a price
2572
02:19:30,150 --> 02:19:32,160
drop, you know, about 20 years ago.
2573
02:19:32,160 --> 02:19:33,660
Now they're coming back into vogue.
2574
02:19:34,020 --> 02:19:36,539
But when you're talking about the
eighties and working professionals,
2575
02:19:36,539 --> 02:19:41,850
I mean this five 12 BB 1984 talking
about hookers, it's the eighties.
2576
02:19:41,850 --> 02:19:45,480
I mean yes, of course, world, but I
mean, you, you have a lot of choices.
2577
02:19:45,480 --> 02:19:50,490
In 1984, would you buy a five
12 BB or buy a Lotus Espree?
2578
02:19:51,480 --> 02:19:51,600
Yeah.
2579
02:19:51,600 --> 02:19:55,230
Or a. Sis, what are you
talking about, Eric?
2580
02:19:55,230 --> 02:19:56,609
Just because they're both wedges.
2581
02:19:56,609 --> 02:20:00,510
They're not remotely the same car one's
got a epoxy little cylinder engine.
2582
02:20:00,779 --> 02:20:02,609
The other's got a mighty V 12.
2583
02:20:02,640 --> 02:20:05,160
It's like, would you
date a girl or a carport?
2584
02:20:05,160 --> 02:20:05,550
Cutout?
2585
02:20:08,850 --> 02:20:09,750
Oh, John.
2586
02:20:10,380 --> 02:20:14,039
I mean, I'm trying to draw parallel
without having to be like, oh, well there
2587
02:20:14,039 --> 02:20:17,250
were Porsches available at the time, or
there was this, or there was the Corvette.
2588
02:20:17,255 --> 02:20:21,240
The competition for the BB
would've been older cars than you
2589
02:20:21,240 --> 02:20:22,980
could have got at great prices.
2590
02:20:23,310 --> 02:20:27,420
Imagine the price that you could
have paid for, uh, fifties Ferrari
2591
02:20:27,420 --> 02:20:31,289
tester Rossa for something like
that at the top in the mid eighties.
2592
02:20:31,289 --> 02:20:34,470
These, at that time, you know,
you could have picked up a Ferrari
2593
02:20:34,470 --> 02:20:36,390
GTO for under a million pounds.
2594
02:20:36,390 --> 02:20:40,410
Okay, so let's take the debate
to that end, which is 1984.
2595
02:20:40,410 --> 02:20:43,440
Ferrari Testa Rosa versus 19 84 5 12 bb.
2596
02:20:43,440 --> 02:20:49,350
Which would you choose the new hotness or
the old guard that's going out the door?
2597
02:20:50,279 --> 02:20:51,330
Oh, I'm in the fifties.
2598
02:20:51,330 --> 02:20:53,414
Tesa Rossa, not the eighties.
2599
02:20:53,420 --> 02:20:54,240
Tesa Rossa.
2600
02:20:59,609 --> 02:21:00,810
This is very interesting.
2601
02:21:00,810 --> 02:21:07,320
This far, 3 28 GTS is actually, I believe,
selling for more than the five 12 bb.
2602
02:21:07,320 --> 02:21:08,789
That just, this is the one to watch.
2603
02:21:09,150 --> 02:21:09,900
Here we go.
2604
02:21:09,900 --> 02:21:11,670
4 58 special.
2605
02:21:12,215 --> 02:21:13,800
Absolutely crazy in the market.
2606
02:21:14,580 --> 02:21:18,990
So isn't the deal with these that this
is the last time Ferrari did a naturally
2607
02:21:18,990 --> 02:21:21,779
aspirated high revving V eight, correct.
2608
02:21:21,840 --> 02:21:25,199
The four 80 eights were turbos
and then the 2 96 we got a
2609
02:21:25,199 --> 02:21:26,430
twin turbo, six cylinder.
2610
02:21:28,410 --> 02:21:29,789
I'm predicting over 4 million.
2611
02:21:31,695 --> 02:21:33,335
I mean, this will break record special.
2612
02:21:34,135 --> 02:21:37,710
A, what does that mean, ER to again?
2613
02:21:37,710 --> 02:21:39,660
And it's getting more and more stated.
2614
02:21:39,660 --> 02:21:43,650
You know, this is quite possibly
one of the best Ferraris ever built
2615
02:21:46,500 --> 02:21:46,890
or converter.
2616
02:21:48,240 --> 02:21:49,800
That's why they're getting
obscene money for 'em.
2617
02:21:50,760 --> 02:21:52,020
I really like the four 80.
2618
02:21:52,650 --> 02:21:53,310
Very nice car.
2619
02:21:53,310 --> 02:21:54,750
Yeah, no, they're starting
to game better trailer.
2620
02:21:54,750 --> 02:21:59,699
So fresh from the, and they had, they
had a great racing track record as well.
2621
02:21:59,699 --> 02:22:00,420
They did really.
2622
02:22:00,900 --> 02:22:06,750
And oddly enough, when they
transitioned there was a period where
2623
02:22:06,750 --> 02:22:09,750
the, they're working the bugs out
of the 4 88 and the four 50 eights
2624
02:22:09,750 --> 02:22:11,250
were running right alongside of 'em.
2625
02:22:11,250 --> 02:22:12,359
They're just as quick.
2626
02:22:12,390 --> 02:22:12,660
Yeah.
2627
02:22:12,869 --> 02:22:16,080
But it's getting used to the turbo and
the spool and you know, the drivers
2628
02:22:16,080 --> 02:22:17,490
are trying to acclimate to the new car.
2629
02:22:17,760 --> 02:22:20,940
And actually funny enough, the same
thing happened in 2 96 debuted.
2630
02:22:21,029 --> 02:22:21,420
Yeah.
2631
02:22:21,420 --> 02:22:24,840
The 4 88 was actually quicker than
the 2 96 until they worked out the
2632
02:22:24,840 --> 02:22:28,380
problems and then it, you know,
obviously they sunset the 4 88, but
2633
02:22:28,619 --> 02:22:31,529
it's always that overlap when you see
'em in motor sport running together.
2634
02:22:31,529 --> 02:22:34,410
You're like, is it really worth
jumping to the new car yet?
2635
02:22:34,500 --> 02:22:34,680
Yeah.
2636
02:22:34,680 --> 02:22:37,155
Progress could be commitment
financial wise, you know what I mean?
2637
02:22:37,590 --> 02:22:41,190
Progress could be difficult
sometimes, but yeah.
2638
02:22:41,190 --> 02:22:45,779
The 4, 5, 8 saw a great, great
track record across different
2639
02:22:45,779 --> 02:22:47,850
racing bodies across the world.
2640
02:22:49,529 --> 02:22:54,390
So the specialty, A designation
that means aita, is that correct?
2641
02:23:09,255 --> 02:23:11,940
I mean, I thought four maybe,
but I thought at least three.
2642
02:23:11,940 --> 02:23:13,380
I mean, what these things are doing,
2643
02:23:15,960 --> 02:23:16,619
should it be colored?
2644
02:23:18,055 --> 02:23:18,375
I don't know.
2645
02:23:18,380 --> 02:23:20,850
I mean, the last one
produced how many miles?
2646
02:23:20,880 --> 02:23:21,630
58 miles.
2647
02:23:23,070 --> 02:23:23,140
You know?
2648
02:23:23,789 --> 02:23:27,840
Of course then that's a sad situation
is it's such an incredible car to drive.
2649
02:23:29,275 --> 02:23:30,539
In reality, you can't drive it.
2650
02:23:30,570 --> 02:23:33,690
'cause then you, unless you just don't
care about the money factor right, or what
2651
02:23:33,690 --> 02:23:35,789
the investment is, you wanna go enjoy it
2652
02:23:38,160 --> 02:23:41,970
because they had the other one that
sold, they had like aspect to 1.5, 1.8.
2653
02:23:42,150 --> 02:23:43,199
I can't remember what sold for.
2654
02:23:43,199 --> 02:23:46,830
But this being one owner, low
mile last produced everything.
2655
02:23:52,170 --> 02:23:52,350
Alright.
2656
02:23:52,650 --> 02:23:53,250
Countdown.
2657
02:23:53,250 --> 02:23:54,990
Two 2,900,000,
2658
02:23:57,570 --> 02:23:58,080
sold
2659
02:24:01,470 --> 02:24:06,270
2,000,008. Alright, we
got the last three cars.
2660
02:24:06,750 --> 02:24:11,160
So the 3, 2 8 is cost the
evolution of the 3 0 8.
2661
02:24:11,160 --> 02:24:16,470
Slightly bigger motor, slightly different
grill chrome on, on the grill there,
2662
02:24:16,470 --> 02:24:19,440
rather than black and bigger back bumpers.
2663
02:24:20,010 --> 02:24:23,640
For my money, I prefer the
earlier, smaller bumper cars.
2664
02:24:24,000 --> 02:24:27,510
But of course you do get more
creature comforts and, and generally
2665
02:24:27,510 --> 02:24:29,550
a more just together vehicle.
2666
02:24:29,820 --> 02:24:33,840
If you buy a 3, 2, 8 rather than your
3 0 8, I would've agreed with you.
2667
02:24:33,840 --> 02:24:38,760
If you had, we had this debate 20 years
ago, I would've said 3 0 8 all day long.
2668
02:24:38,760 --> 02:24:39,900
Forget the 3 28.
2669
02:24:39,900 --> 02:24:43,529
It's just bloated and big and
heavy and you know, so be it.
2670
02:24:43,949 --> 02:24:49,650
But now as I reintroduce myself to
these cars with wiser and more mature
2671
02:24:49,650 --> 02:24:52,230
eyes, I see the appeal of 3 28.
2672
02:24:52,230 --> 02:24:53,100
I really like them.
2673
02:24:53,100 --> 02:24:57,390
I mean, I got the chance to
drive one and it was fabulous.
2674
02:24:57,390 --> 02:24:59,940
And now, you know, if I could've
different from the 3 0 8.
2675
02:24:59,940 --> 02:25:02,520
Hmm, different from the
3 0 8 You auto crossed?
2676
02:25:02,670 --> 02:25:02,940
Yeah.
2677
02:25:04,020 --> 02:25:04,410
How so?
2678
02:25:04,410 --> 02:25:04,890
How so quicker?
2679
02:25:06,060 --> 02:25:08,699
More linear in terms of power.
2680
02:25:08,910 --> 02:25:12,750
Also Rev happy, just like the 3
0 8, but it just, it just felt
2681
02:25:12,750 --> 02:25:17,640
like it had more low end grunt
in comparison because of the 3.2.
2682
02:25:17,640 --> 02:25:19,410
And it was a QV right away.
2683
02:25:19,410 --> 02:25:19,680
Right.
2684
02:25:19,710 --> 02:25:24,180
They never had a non four valve head on
the, on those cars, that four valve head.
2685
02:25:24,180 --> 02:25:25,740
It really helped the top end as well.
2686
02:25:25,740 --> 02:25:26,279
It did.
2687
02:25:26,279 --> 02:25:26,760
It did.
2688
02:25:26,760 --> 02:25:28,770
And so I enjoyed it very much.
2689
02:25:28,770 --> 02:25:31,890
And again, if I had the money
to be able to pick one up today,
2690
02:25:31,890 --> 02:25:33,210
I would love to have a 3 28.
2691
02:25:33,720 --> 02:25:37,650
Well this one's at, this one's at
five 50, but surely you can, you can
2692
02:25:37,650 --> 02:25:39,055
pick him up for under a hundred count.
2693
02:25:39,154 --> 02:25:39,734
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
2694
02:25:40,560 --> 02:25:43,410
I'll call uh, I got Lance
Stroll's dad on speed dial.
2695
02:25:43,410 --> 02:25:44,460
I'll just call him, you know.
2696
02:25:54,510 --> 02:25:55,230
Here we go.
2697
02:25:55,230 --> 02:25:55,859
F 50.
2698
02:25:55,859 --> 02:26:01,380
So these F fifties, they are, I I
wasn't into them when they were new.
2699
02:26:01,710 --> 02:26:03,180
Now I really am.
2700
02:26:03,600 --> 02:26:07,410
It is a Formula One car, which
you can drive on the road.
2701
02:26:07,410 --> 02:26:08,760
It truly is.
2702
02:26:08,910 --> 02:26:10,440
I just wish it looked better.
2703
02:26:10,440 --> 02:26:11,220
I'm sorry.
2704
02:26:12,779 --> 02:26:16,109
Compared to the F 40, it's
quintessential nineties.
2705
02:26:16,350 --> 02:26:19,020
It's very blobby and round and soft.
2706
02:26:19,260 --> 02:26:23,910
I mean, I'm not discounting its
technology or its ability capabilities.
2707
02:26:23,910 --> 02:26:27,660
The V 12 is awesome, but it's
just I can't get over the styling.
2708
02:26:28,199 --> 02:26:30,090
Is it wrong for me to say that?
2709
02:26:30,090 --> 02:26:34,680
It kind of reminds me of, um, those
McLaren M eight styled, uh, kitty
2710
02:26:34,680 --> 02:26:36,180
beds from the early seventies.
2711
02:26:36,390 --> 02:26:36,660
Yes.
2712
02:26:36,720 --> 02:26:37,830
Which I always wanted.
2713
02:26:38,070 --> 02:26:40,680
So maybe I should aspire to one of these.
2714
02:26:40,680 --> 02:26:43,230
Are you trying to say, it looks like
the coyote from Castle and McCormick?
2715
02:26:43,619 --> 02:26:44,340
Yes.
2716
02:26:44,699 --> 02:26:45,270
Yes.
2717
02:26:45,720 --> 02:26:45,990
I might.
2718
02:26:45,990 --> 02:26:49,830
You I would be more excited
except Iron and McClaren M eight
2719
02:26:49,859 --> 02:26:51,359
that I would've Ferrari F 50.
2720
02:26:53,160 --> 02:26:57,119
Oh man, you're tripping me back with
starting at 9 million with Curry Castle.
2721
02:26:57,119 --> 02:27:01,590
McCormick should look, we, we should,
you know, as we passed 10 million
2722
02:27:01,590 --> 02:27:05,760
here, we, we should recognize that,
you know, this was a card that was
2723
02:27:05,760 --> 02:27:11,010
developed by Michael Schumacher when
Michael Schumacher and Ferraro were at
2724
02:27:11,010 --> 02:27:16,529
their most dominant in Formula One in
the DNA of those turn of the Century
2725
02:27:16,529 --> 02:27:21,449
Formula One cars with their normal
aspiration and their super high revenue.
2726
02:27:21,449 --> 02:27:28,590
That is right there in this F 50, the F
48, and people always compare 40 and F 50.
2727
02:27:28,590 --> 02:27:32,460
And I just think it's an absurd
comparison because the F 40
2728
02:27:32,460 --> 02:27:33,330
is a totally different car.
2729
02:27:33,330 --> 02:27:36,570
This is a, the F 40 is
like we talked about.
2730
02:27:36,570 --> 02:27:37,050
What that is.
2731
02:27:37,830 --> 02:27:40,410
This F 50 is a Formula one derived.
2732
02:27:40,410 --> 02:27:41,609
It's a different kind.
2733
02:27:41,955 --> 02:27:43,335
It is, but the problem,
you can't compare them.
2734
02:27:43,590 --> 02:27:46,500
The problem I have is if you follow
the legacy of Schumacher, like you
2735
02:27:46,500 --> 02:27:50,760
recently did on episode, this is the
beginning of his career versus the
2736
02:27:50,760 --> 02:27:52,650
Enzo, which is at the end of his career.
2737
02:27:53,010 --> 02:27:54,960
And everybody says the
enzo's a better car.
2738
02:27:55,170 --> 02:27:59,910
So in in for my money, this car gets
discounted and you fall back to the F
2739
02:27:59,910 --> 02:28:05,550
40 because the F 40 put you it's square
in the rivalry with Porsche because the
2740
02:28:05,550 --> 02:28:08,850
question always comes up 9 59 or F 40.
2741
02:28:09,449 --> 02:28:12,449
The F 50 doesn't have a
contemporary, what is that?
2742
02:28:12,449 --> 02:28:13,170
The Diablo?
2743
02:28:13,410 --> 02:28:16,830
The Diablo doesn't hand stand
the chance against this car and
2744
02:28:16,830 --> 02:28:18,119
Porsche didn't have anything.
2745
02:28:18,330 --> 02:28:22,260
The nine 11 STRASSON version
doesn't really work as a comparison
2746
02:28:22,260 --> 02:28:27,090
because that was a Homologated
LMP one or GT one LAMA car.
2747
02:28:27,240 --> 02:28:30,570
So it stands by itself with no competitor.
2748
02:28:32,070 --> 02:28:32,520
Yes.
2749
02:28:32,609 --> 02:28:37,470
It sounds by we know competitor
and hard to find a comparison as
2750
02:28:37,470 --> 02:28:39,510
we cruise past 11 million here.
2751
02:28:40,680 --> 02:28:44,160
There is one car I would put up against
it and I know you're gonna hate me for
2752
02:28:44,160 --> 02:28:46,410
saying this, and that's the XJ two 20.
2753
02:28:46,590 --> 02:28:50,369
We've had this debate before, but
I would choose that over the F 50.
2754
02:28:50,699 --> 02:28:55,289
If the XJ two 20 had a V 12, I'd
be with you on the comparison.
2755
02:28:58,949 --> 02:29:02,010
The F 50, the ask is at 11 2 50.
2756
02:29:03,750 --> 02:29:04,830
They're counting down.
2757
02:29:08,010 --> 02:29:09,330
I don't even like the wheels.
2758
02:29:09,840 --> 02:29:10,920
I was just gonna throw it out there.
2759
02:29:11,670 --> 02:29:12,210
Oh, I don't know.
2760
02:29:12,210 --> 02:29:14,640
As it's rolled up there, I've
looked at it and thought I
2761
02:29:14,640 --> 02:29:15,960
like the proportions of that.
2762
02:29:15,960 --> 02:29:19,619
They just, million 200 is the ask.
2763
02:29:19,650 --> 02:29:21,810
I would definitely have
an counting down 40.
2764
02:29:25,410 --> 02:29:31,529
Ready maybe when I've matured like
you have, as is typical of some
2765
02:29:31,529 --> 02:29:33,570
Ferrari Marketplace podcast episodes.
2766
02:29:33,570 --> 02:29:36,930
There was a slight technical
snafu and it looks like we ran
2767
02:29:36,930 --> 02:29:38,490
out of battery, but that's okay.
2768
02:29:38,490 --> 02:29:43,890
We were one car away from the end and we
cut to commercial break and we'll be back
2769
02:29:43,949 --> 02:29:45,630
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2770
02:29:47,070 --> 02:29:50,580
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2781
02:30:28,905 --> 02:30:30,435
All right, gentlemen, we are back.
2782
02:30:31,005 --> 02:30:36,915
We are moments away, moments away from
the Bianco special, the main attraction
2783
02:30:36,915 --> 02:30:40,545
of Mecca's, Kissimmee 2026 auction.
2784
02:30:40,605 --> 02:30:44,895
And we've continued to see really strong
numbers in great sell through, haven't we?
2785
02:30:45,195 --> 02:30:48,345
We have, there's been a few
Ferrari that have crossed the
2786
02:30:48,345 --> 02:30:50,475
block since the Bachman collection.
2787
02:30:50,835 --> 02:30:56,955
A lot of, uh, Ferrari 365, GTSs,
GTVs, all those Daytona cars.
2788
02:30:56,955 --> 02:31:01,065
And then we have one final Ferrari
in the mix, 63 Ferrari, 400
2789
02:31:01,065 --> 02:31:02,685
Super America that's coming up.
2790
02:31:02,985 --> 02:31:04,365
So looking forward to that.
2791
02:31:04,365 --> 02:31:07,995
And then there'll be two more cars,
and then I'm sure Mecca's gonna
2792
02:31:07,995 --> 02:31:09,975
put together just a small break.
2793
02:31:10,215 --> 02:31:13,815
And then we will get started with
our main event, which is the Bianco
2794
02:31:14,235 --> 02:31:15,465
Speciale that we've been leading up to.
2795
02:31:15,765 --> 02:31:20,445
So any key points that we want to make
about the car as we bring our listeners
2796
02:31:20,445 --> 02:31:23,175
back up to speed if they haven't
listened to our previous episodes.
2797
02:31:24,555 --> 02:31:26,715
Well, I was just gonna talk
a little bit about the Super
2798
02:31:26,715 --> 02:31:28,185
America that we have coming up.
2799
02:31:28,185 --> 02:31:34,425
First of all, these were, each was
an individual car that was ordered
2800
02:31:34,425 --> 02:31:37,815
from the factory, and I think in the
sixties they were two or three times
2801
02:31:37,815 --> 02:31:41,025
more than Ferrari's standard offerings.
2802
02:31:41,325 --> 02:31:45,015
So when we see these four 10
Super Americas come to market,
2803
02:31:45,405 --> 02:31:49,125
we're really looking at what
at the time was Peak Ferrari?
2804
02:31:53,235 --> 02:31:55,995
Well, one of the most beautiful,
uh, Ferraris ever built.
2805
02:31:56,000 --> 02:32:00,645
And, and I believe I, I've lost count
of how many individual series of these
2806
02:32:00,645 --> 02:32:05,145
cars, but they were all, like you said,
built basically to order for all the
2807
02:32:05,145 --> 02:32:06,945
great personalities of the era too.
2808
02:32:07,275 --> 02:32:11,985
I think, uh, Peter Sellers might have,
I believe he had either had and he did.
2809
02:32:11,985 --> 02:32:12,555
Yeah, yeah.
2810
02:32:12,560 --> 02:32:13,875
A Man of a Thousand Faces.
2811
02:32:13,905 --> 02:32:14,565
That's right.
2812
02:32:14,745 --> 02:32:18,135
And the Pink Panther and Dr. Strangelove.
2813
02:32:18,345 --> 02:32:19,425
Oh, what a movie that was.
2814
02:32:19,425 --> 02:32:20,205
Yeah.
2815
02:32:20,505 --> 02:32:21,915
So it's, uh, pebble Beach.
2816
02:32:21,915 --> 02:32:27,555
Each year up the hill from where the
Concor takes place, there's Kaza Ferrari.
2817
02:32:27,795 --> 02:32:28,755
Cars, a Ferrari.
2818
02:32:28,755 --> 02:32:34,545
They always have a display of 40 or 50
Ferrari, and, and this last year there
2819
02:32:34,545 --> 02:32:38,925
were a couple of Super Americas, and I
could, you could make comparisons between
2820
02:32:38,925 --> 02:32:41,325
them and look at how the styling evolves.
2821
02:32:41,325 --> 02:32:45,405
The wheels, the positioning of
the chrome, the, the shape of the
2822
02:32:45,405 --> 02:32:48,495
taillights, the shape of the headlights,
the shape of the air intakes.
2823
02:32:48,795 --> 02:32:53,505
You can really compare and mix and match
and see how each individual styling
2824
02:32:53,505 --> 02:32:58,575
element it was developed and was taken
on some cars and taken off other cars.
2825
02:32:58,575 --> 02:33:03,000
And that is very relevant for us
talking about the two 50 GTO because
2826
02:33:04,665 --> 02:33:10,905
you can talk about, you know,
numbers and there being enough GTOs
2827
02:33:10,905 --> 02:33:13,095
that were 39 built, 36 survive.
2828
02:33:14,295 --> 02:33:18,015
The feeling is that because of the
36, there's some kind of a, you know,
2829
02:33:18,015 --> 02:33:21,735
there's enough to make a market,
but there's not so many to create
2830
02:33:21,735 --> 02:33:23,895
excess supply and drive prices down.
2831
02:33:24,315 --> 02:33:28,125
So that's certainly one of the reasons
why they cite for the GTO being
2832
02:33:28,125 --> 02:33:30,105
the Mona Lisa of, of automobiles.
2833
02:33:30,105 --> 02:33:31,875
But let's be real about this.
2834
02:33:32,745 --> 02:33:37,125
The GTO is the Mona Lisa of automobiles
because of the way that it looks, because
2835
02:33:37,125 --> 02:33:41,985
the GTO got all of those different
styling cues that we see through
2836
02:33:41,985 --> 02:33:45,675
Ferraris in the previous 15, 20 years.
2837
02:33:46,215 --> 02:33:50,085
It had the best of those
styling cues all in one place.
2838
02:33:50,085 --> 02:33:55,875
The e type style nose, the three straights
behind the rear wheels, the awesome cupe
2839
02:33:55,875 --> 02:33:57,945
shape with a little ducktail spoiler.
2840
02:33:58,485 --> 02:34:03,285
All of those elements came together on the
two 50 GTO to really make it stand out.
2841
02:34:03,495 --> 02:34:07,215
You know what, it didn't have
John, it didn't have a trapezoidal
2842
02:34:07,635 --> 02:34:10,575
passenger glass on a very curved car.
2843
02:34:10,575 --> 02:34:13,935
That was one design feature that
did not make it in two 50 GTO that
2844
02:34:13,935 --> 02:34:16,905
you do see on the 400 Super America.
2845
02:34:17,175 --> 02:34:19,275
I can't get over that piece of glass.
2846
02:34:19,275 --> 02:34:24,195
For me, I, I see the evolution from the
two 50 luso that we talked about earlier,
2847
02:34:24,585 --> 02:34:26,865
but I just don't get that piece of glass.
2848
02:34:26,865 --> 02:34:27,240
But it's the hough.
2849
02:34:27,795 --> 02:34:29,205
I don't like it.
2850
02:34:29,900 --> 02:34:32,040
It doesn't matter if the Pope invented it.
2851
02:34:35,580 --> 02:34:36,075
Do you know?
2852
02:34:36,135 --> 02:34:40,395
For some reason that element
doesn't really come into my vision.
2853
02:34:40,395 --> 02:34:44,835
It's just, I just love the, just
the, the way that body flows from a
2854
02:34:44,835 --> 02:34:47,745
profile and that tail end on that car.
2855
02:34:48,315 --> 02:34:49,575
It's just, it's just beautiful.
2856
02:34:49,575 --> 02:34:51,705
I don't know, for me,
it's a magnet for my eye.
2857
02:34:51,705 --> 02:34:55,005
It's the first thing I see
because it, I don't, maybe it's my
2858
02:34:55,005 --> 02:34:56,745
brain, but it feels out of place.
2859
02:34:57,015 --> 02:34:59,835
So the Hoffmeister kink, John,
I, I kid you a little bit,
2860
02:35:00,075 --> 02:35:01,395
but why is that important?
2861
02:35:01,395 --> 02:35:04,785
Why, why is, why do we need to
know Hoffmeister and his kink?
2862
02:35:05,655 --> 02:35:09,345
Well, because every modern car has it,
because the way they break up the boring
2863
02:35:09,345 --> 02:35:13,755
shape of these modern SUVs and crossovers
is by doing the hofmeister kink.
2864
02:35:13,755 --> 02:35:17,085
If you walk through any car
park, you will see more cars
2865
02:35:17,085 --> 02:35:18,825
with a hofmeister kink than not.
2866
02:35:19,545 --> 02:35:22,215
I've never, and I don't like
it on modern cars either.
2867
02:35:22,425 --> 02:35:24,105
So now I have someone to blame.
2868
02:35:24,375 --> 02:35:27,555
I see how this works, and
now you cannot un see it.
2869
02:35:29,265 --> 02:35:29,475
Alright.
2870
02:35:29,475 --> 02:35:33,345
This car, I mean, a sign,
the kink, call it what it is.
2871
02:35:34,635 --> 02:35:35,355
It's beautiful.
2872
02:35:35,355 --> 02:35:36,255
It's a beautiful car.
2873
02:35:36,260 --> 02:35:38,385
The way it sits on the
road is absolutely awesome.
2874
02:35:38,460 --> 02:35:43,365
The, the interior designed for me
is absolutely pink car interior,
2875
02:35:43,395 --> 02:35:48,015
this area of sixties Ferrari with
the, the five gauge package and
2876
02:35:48,285 --> 02:35:50,775
the thin, the thin stick shift.
2877
02:35:50,775 --> 02:35:56,835
I, I, I really believe interior design
has never been, I love that luxury
2878
02:35:56,835 --> 02:36:00,885
back then was defined not by how
many widgets and, and, and doodads
2879
02:36:00,885 --> 02:36:03,615
you, you had, or in the interior.
2880
02:36:03,615 --> 02:36:08,505
It was conservatively,
elegantly luxurious.
2881
02:36:09,555 --> 02:36:12,825
And we'll never see
that kind of look again.
2882
02:36:12,825 --> 02:36:21,165
We'll never see that, that level of, of,
of pre add-on optioned out interiors.
2883
02:36:21,165 --> 02:36:23,595
And these four hundreds were fast as well.
2884
02:36:23,595 --> 02:36:27,015
Yeah, they were, I mean, they were
150 mile an hour plus cars and.
2885
02:36:27,795 --> 02:36:31,965
That is pretty astonishing
for their sixties technology.
2886
02:36:31,965 --> 02:36:37,305
So, uh, the car's just moved across
the block here as we pass 2.3, the way
2887
02:36:37,305 --> 02:36:42,345
the line comes off the top of the front
wheel arch and extends along the fender
2888
02:36:42,345 --> 02:36:44,535
above the bit in farina badge there.
2889
02:36:44,535 --> 02:36:45,675
Just so awesome.
2890
02:36:46,245 --> 02:36:51,885
Does this car act as the precursor
to the 400 and the four 12?
2891
02:36:54,675 --> 02:36:56,745
Well, in basic concept it does.
2892
02:36:57,945 --> 02:37:00,105
You know, the two plus two, right?
2893
02:37:00,105 --> 02:37:01,605
They were a replacement for this.
2894
02:37:01,875 --> 02:37:02,055
Yeah.
2895
02:37:02,085 --> 02:37:06,915
They took their design cues
from the 365 GTV fours, right?
2896
02:37:06,915 --> 02:37:07,815
Yeah, that's right.
2897
02:37:08,175 --> 02:37:09,555
Maybe an overall essence.
2898
02:37:09,670 --> 02:37:14,230
I I, I will have to say though that
the 400 to four 12, they're the
2899
02:37:14,230 --> 02:37:16,359
most criminally underrated Ferrari.
2900
02:37:16,359 --> 02:37:22,000
I think there is this generation
or the newer ones, in all honesty.
2901
02:37:22,210 --> 02:37:22,779
Absolutely.
2902
02:37:22,869 --> 02:37:23,740
So what did that hammer at?
2903
02:37:23,740 --> 02:37:25,210
It's a 2.3 or so.
2904
02:37:25,215 --> 02:37:26,080
Is that what we saw?
2905
02:37:26,259 --> 02:37:32,230
Yeah, something like that, which to
be honest seems a little low for, uh,
2906
02:37:32,740 --> 02:37:35,439
400 Super America Coach Bill Ferrari.
2907
02:37:35,439 --> 02:37:36,849
That looks that, that nice.
2908
02:37:36,849 --> 02:37:38,890
I mean, such a lovely car.
2909
02:37:38,890 --> 02:37:41,980
The blue, it, it's a shame that that
car didn't cross the block earlier
2910
02:37:42,250 --> 02:37:45,070
when maybe there was a little more
buying enthusiasm in the room.
2911
02:37:45,789 --> 02:37:47,199
I think so that's that.
2912
02:37:47,439 --> 02:37:52,300
It's funny, you know, how you stage an
auction and, and I wouldn't even begin
2913
02:37:52,300 --> 02:37:59,769
to comment on how an auction of this
size and volume, what goes into the
2914
02:37:59,769 --> 02:38:04,000
decision making because, you know, there,
there, and that's what makes this market
2915
02:38:04,029 --> 02:38:07,240
interesting though, is there's, there's
a chance for actually someone to jump in,
2916
02:38:07,240 --> 02:38:11,740
buy something and if they're in it for a
profit motive after a little while right.
2917
02:38:12,064 --> 02:38:14,679
You, you do have that opportunity
to arbitrage a little bit.
2918
02:38:15,250 --> 02:38:18,279
So John, we are two cars
away from the Bianco.
2919
02:38:18,699 --> 02:38:18,820
Speciale.
2920
02:38:18,820 --> 02:38:21,970
Do you want to kind of bring everybody
up to speed on its significance?
2921
02:38:23,410 --> 02:38:24,340
Yeah, absolutely.
2922
02:38:24,340 --> 02:38:27,670
I mean, we said 36 GTOs bill.
2923
02:38:27,699 --> 02:38:29,769
This one, the only white one.
2924
02:38:29,890 --> 02:38:36,699
The whole world of GTOs is, 'cause
there's only 36 people have got them any
2925
02:38:36,699 --> 02:38:38,619
driving event that you are invited on.
2926
02:38:38,619 --> 02:38:41,529
This is an opportunity
to rub shoulders with
2927
02:38:44,230 --> 02:38:46,900
people who you would not normally
be able to rub soldiers with.
2928
02:38:46,900 --> 02:38:50,199
So it's not just a car,
it's an introduction into a
2929
02:38:50,199 --> 02:38:52,359
very, very exclusive club.
2930
02:38:52,359 --> 02:38:53,650
The court, the court of owls, if you will.
2931
02:38:53,650 --> 02:38:54,085
Yeah, yeah.
2932
02:38:55,275 --> 02:38:55,884
This particular.
2933
02:38:56,270 --> 02:39:02,180
Car was bought by a British Jaguar
dealer, and it was bought specifically
2934
02:39:02,180 --> 02:39:04,340
in order to go racing with.
2935
02:39:04,340 --> 02:39:09,590
And, and the guys who he had raced it
were names that were very well known
2936
02:39:09,590 --> 02:39:13,010
to the British public and subsequently
even became known internationally.
2937
02:39:13,010 --> 02:39:19,190
Soy salvadori, but more famously, Graham
Hill, who, you know, the only man to
2938
02:39:19,190 --> 02:39:20,810
win the triple crown of motor racing.
2939
02:39:20,810 --> 02:39:24,590
And really a, a very well known figure
within, uh, international motorsport
2940
02:39:24,620 --> 02:39:26,030
in the sixties and seventies.
2941
02:39:26,390 --> 02:39:32,030
So we are, you were talking about
John Coombs as the original owner
2942
02:39:32,030 --> 02:39:33,860
and order of this Bianca special.
2943
02:39:33,860 --> 02:39:33,920
Yeah.
2944
02:39:34,730 --> 02:39:38,660
John Coombs being the owner of the Jaguar
dealership and being somebody who's very
2945
02:39:38,660 --> 02:39:40,880
much in Britain associated with racing.
2946
02:39:40,880 --> 02:39:41,270
Mm-hmm.
2947
02:39:41,465 --> 02:39:43,610
Jaguars and always in white.
2948
02:39:44,030 --> 02:39:49,490
He was known for racing in white and,
and he was clearly well enough regarded
2949
02:39:49,580 --> 02:39:54,440
by the Ferrari factory that when, when
Coombs requested the car be painted
2950
02:39:54,440 --> 02:39:59,420
white, it was indeed painted white, which,
uh, apparently at the time was a very
2951
02:39:59,420 --> 02:40:01,760
difficult thing to get Ferrari to do.
2952
02:40:01,760 --> 02:40:04,460
I dare say in those days you
couldn't just pick up the phone,
2953
02:40:04,460 --> 02:40:08,690
call the factory and say, well,
I wanted in white, kind of thing.
2954
02:40:08,720 --> 02:40:10,250
It just wasn't possible to do that.
2955
02:40:10,580 --> 02:40:14,420
And one of the things that we walked
backwards into during our research and
2956
02:40:14,420 --> 02:40:18,260
the coverage that we did on this car
a couple of months ago was that the
2957
02:40:18,260 --> 02:40:21,555
significance of the Bianca isn't necess.
2958
02:40:22,395 --> 02:40:27,855
About the significance of a Ferrari,
but its influence on Jaguar's
2959
02:40:27,855 --> 02:40:29,415
racing history at that time.
2960
02:40:29,925 --> 02:40:30,705
Well, absolutely.
2961
02:40:30,855 --> 02:40:35,865
'cause John Coons was so close with
the Jaguar board of directors and
2962
02:40:36,060 --> 02:40:40,785
the, the, there is a story that he had
lunch with Bill Hayes one day when of
2963
02:40:40,785 --> 02:40:45,135
Jaguar's, uh, senior guys and, and said
to them, you know, I can't race your E
2964
02:40:45,135 --> 02:40:47,115
types anymore 'cause they're too slow.
2965
02:40:47,115 --> 02:40:48,825
I'm gonna have to race this Ferrari.
2966
02:40:49,305 --> 02:40:53,595
And the long and short of that
meeting was this car, the Bianco
2967
02:40:53,595 --> 02:41:02,385
spec, spent the winter of 19 62 3
at the Jaguar factory with the ideas
2968
02:41:02,385 --> 02:41:08,805
being copied and incorporated into
what became the lightweight E type.
2969
02:41:09,945 --> 02:41:09,975
Okay.
2970
02:41:09,975 --> 02:41:11,235
We'll put air quotes on that, John.
2971
02:41:11,235 --> 02:41:11,565
We'll call it.
2972
02:41:11,565 --> 02:41:11,805
It was.
2973
02:41:12,100 --> 02:41:13,600
Studied it was being studied.
2974
02:41:14,290 --> 02:41:18,760
So as we're getting that much closer
to the car, crossing the block,
2975
02:41:18,760 --> 02:41:23,470
Dave, you put together a meticulous
analysis of where this car should fall.
2976
02:41:23,650 --> 02:41:27,880
How are you feeling based on the energy
in the room of where the car might hammer?
2977
02:41:28,330 --> 02:41:33,370
Well, uh, as far as, uh, the room kind
of thinning out a little bit, I'm not
2978
02:41:33,370 --> 02:41:36,520
concerned about that because anybody
that's in the market for a car of this
2979
02:41:36,520 --> 02:41:40,870
magnitude and significance will probably
have representatives on hand a bid for
2980
02:41:40,870 --> 02:41:43,390
them, or they'll be on the telephone.
2981
02:41:44,080 --> 02:41:49,240
I believe there's probably two to five,
not only financially qualified bidders,
2982
02:41:49,240 --> 02:41:53,470
but bidders that would want something
like this as a crowning achievement
2983
02:41:53,530 --> 02:41:56,500
of either the anchor or the crowning
achievement of their collection.
2984
02:41:57,370 --> 02:41:57,910
Here we go.
2985
02:41:57,910 --> 02:42:00,010
They're running a video
of the car right now.
2986
02:42:00,340 --> 02:42:01,390
Get everybody hyped up.
2987
02:42:01,390 --> 02:42:04,930
What do you think the opening
salvo will be in terms of the bid?
2988
02:42:06,280 --> 02:42:10,420
I think, uh, based on where things have
been of over the last five years, with
2989
02:42:10,420 --> 02:42:14,770
the few GTOs that have come to market at
auctions, I'm thinking they're probably
2990
02:42:14,770 --> 02:42:17,110
open up at about 40 or 50 million.
2991
02:42:18,460 --> 02:42:18,700
Yeah.
2992
02:42:18,700 --> 02:42:24,220
'cause the range, we've, the range of
purse prices we've seen is 35 for a
2993
02:42:24,220 --> 02:42:29,410
car that was considered to have a bad
history and the 75 for a car that's been
2994
02:42:29,410 --> 02:42:31,540
considered to have a, a good history.
2995
02:42:31,810 --> 02:42:33,550
And this car does have a good history.
2996
02:42:33,550 --> 02:42:35,260
It's never been totally restored.
2997
02:42:35,620 --> 02:42:36,940
It's never been wrecked.
2998
02:42:36,970 --> 02:42:41,890
It's never caused, uh, uh, been,
uh, the subject of a, uh, racing
2999
02:42:41,890 --> 02:42:46,900
accident, uh, of any magnitude
and the only one in, in white.
3000
02:42:47,380 --> 02:42:49,390
And it was run for three whole years.
3001
02:42:49,525 --> 02:42:51,234
Uh, competitively in the uk.
3002
02:42:52,164 --> 02:42:52,824
Here we come.
3003
02:42:52,824 --> 02:42:53,650
Yeah, here we go.
3004
02:42:54,240 --> 02:42:54,529
Also,
3005
02:42:59,109 --> 02:42:59,930
the only fer.
3006
02:43:04,279 --> 02:43:04,730
Look at that.
3007
02:43:07,440 --> 02:43:07,930
Here it comes.
3008
02:43:15,480 --> 02:43:16,345
What a gorgeous car.
3009
02:43:16,345 --> 02:43:18,775
That doesn't matter what
color the GTO is in.
3010
02:43:19,345 --> 02:43:19,855
Oh my God.
3011
02:43:20,095 --> 02:43:21,055
That's, that's art.
3012
02:43:21,085 --> 02:43:22,675
That's not even the car anymore.
3013
02:43:22,945 --> 02:43:23,065
Yeah.
3014
02:43:23,065 --> 02:43:25,045
We're, this is an art auction right now.
3015
02:43:25,135 --> 02:43:25,435
Yep.
3016
02:43:25,525 --> 02:43:26,904
This is, this is pure art.
3017
02:43:32,340 --> 02:43:32,820
Starting.
3018
02:43:32,820 --> 02:43:34,105
Starting at 50 million.
3019
02:43:34,315 --> 02:43:34,945
50. Wow.
3020
02:43:36,205 --> 02:43:37,585
Making 40 million.
3021
02:43:38,245 --> 02:43:39,665
So making 30 million.
3022
02:43:41,045 --> 02:43:41,945
30 million.
3023
02:43:42,685 --> 02:43:43,425
Making 30.
3024
02:43:49,290 --> 02:43:50,610
The auctioneers looking for bids.
3025
02:43:50,700 --> 02:43:51,570
Incre, we're gonna go up in,
3026
02:43:56,385 --> 02:43:56,675
okay.
3027
02:43:56,730 --> 02:43:59,790
They got 25, asking 30.
3028
02:44:04,005 --> 02:44:04,635
We're at 30.
3029
02:44:09,210 --> 02:44:13,710
So there's an awful lot of people around
the block, but it's hard to see if
3030
02:44:13,950 --> 02:44:16,755
any of the bidders are in the house.
3031
02:44:17,415 --> 02:44:18,635
35 million.
3032
02:44:19,775 --> 02:44:21,300
The bid is at 30 million.
3033
02:44:21,420 --> 02:44:22,860
Looking for 35 million.
3034
02:44:28,415 --> 02:44:33,035
30. 30 million dead.
3035
02:44:33,035 --> 02:44:35,700
32. 31 million.
3036
02:44:35,700 --> 02:44:35,850
Dead.
3037
02:44:37,650 --> 02:44:39,960
Seems to have stalled
out here a little bit.
3038
02:44:39,960 --> 02:44:40,500
It has.
3039
02:44:40,505 --> 02:44:41,275
It really has.
3040
02:44:41,640 --> 02:44:45,810
And it's below the, the threshold
of the lowest one ever sold.
3041
02:44:48,060 --> 02:44:50,070
Well, the low is sold in in recent.
3042
02:44:50,250 --> 02:44:51,120
This car has, yeah.
3043
02:44:52,050 --> 02:44:52,770
Continuous.
3044
02:44:52,770 --> 02:44:53,670
Great history.
3045
02:44:57,210 --> 02:45:02,250
Ownership of two fame collectors,
including Jack Sears, who drove this car.
3046
02:45:04,595 --> 02:45:05,850
I feel like we're playing the price.
3047
02:45:05,850 --> 02:45:07,560
Right, exactly.
3048
02:45:08,580 --> 02:45:09,420
Uh, $1 Bob.
3049
02:45:10,815 --> 02:45:12,155
33 million.
3050
02:45:13,535 --> 02:45:15,035
33 million.
3051
02:45:15,575 --> 02:45:16,634
32 million.
3052
02:45:17,495 --> 02:45:18,675
33 million.
3053
02:45:18,975 --> 02:45:19,355
Oh gosh.
3054
02:45:19,355 --> 02:45:20,875
We've been hanging for a while now.
3055
02:45:20,995 --> 02:45:21,915
I haven't we, my God.
3056
02:45:22,470 --> 02:45:23,760
Is there anyone on the phone?
3057
02:45:23,790 --> 02:45:27,000
Can we tell if there's any
international bidders or phone bidders?
3058
02:45:29,445 --> 02:45:31,410
30. Okay.
3059
02:45:31,410 --> 02:45:35,010
30 million, 32 million.
3060
02:45:35,869 --> 02:45:36,490
You over here?
3061
02:45:36,710 --> 02:45:37,890
33 million.
3062
02:45:38,235 --> 02:45:42,255
Well this will be, uh, could
possibly become the bargain of
3063
02:45:42,255 --> 02:45:43,664
the century in the, in the fer.
3064
02:45:43,664 --> 02:45:46,065
A classic vintage Ferrari market.
3065
02:45:46,485 --> 02:45:48,795
This is a solid car with solid history.
3066
02:45:50,595 --> 02:45:51,435
32 now.
3067
02:45:52,574 --> 02:45:53,025
Alright.
3068
02:45:54,615 --> 02:45:55,755
It's not moved at all.
3069
02:45:55,755 --> 02:45:58,005
And they're trying to whip the
audience up a little bit now.
3070
02:45:58,005 --> 02:45:58,215
Yeah.
3071
02:45:58,215 --> 02:45:59,955
Let's see if that achieves any movement.
3072
02:46:01,275 --> 02:46:02,925
I am literally on the edge of my seat.
3073
02:46:03,945 --> 02:46:04,255
This is
3074
02:46:08,270 --> 02:46:09,524
33 million.
3075
02:46:10,005 --> 02:46:16,449
Asking 34 million million while
it's moved now 34,000,030.
3076
02:46:27,195 --> 02:46:31,664
There's always a chance this will not
sell and then sell privately afterwards.
3077
02:46:31,664 --> 02:46:31,785
Right.
3078
02:46:31,845 --> 02:46:34,664
'cause they have, their whole
bid goes on process at Mecu
3079
02:46:34,664 --> 02:46:36,255
where you can put in a bid later.
3080
02:46:36,765 --> 02:46:37,455
Exactly.
3081
02:46:37,785 --> 02:46:38,835
You know, and there's a chance.
3082
02:46:38,835 --> 02:46:41,324
An opportunity to engineer
a private deal for sure.
3083
02:46:43,095 --> 02:46:48,644
But with the presentation this has had and
the history of this car being well known,
3084
02:46:51,105 --> 02:47:00,849
okay, they have 33 5, 34.
3085
02:47:02,355 --> 02:47:03,734
Well, it is creeping up.
3086
02:47:03,734 --> 02:47:05,925
So does it seem like
that's too bitters to you?
3087
02:47:07,695 --> 02:47:08,445
It's hard to tell.
3088
02:47:08,505 --> 02:47:09,345
It is really hard to tell.
3089
02:47:10,755 --> 02:47:13,455
The likelihood of a bidder being
on the phone is strong here.
3090
02:47:13,455 --> 02:47:17,535
I mean, there is somebody on the
phone with a guy in the hat that's,
3091
02:47:21,464 --> 02:47:24,554
do we have an idea of what
the most expensive car to
3092
02:47:24,554 --> 02:47:25,994
cross the block at Mecu is?
3093
02:47:25,994 --> 02:47:26,564
Is this it?
3094
02:47:26,654 --> 02:47:27,914
Is this gonna set a record for them?
3095
02:47:28,724 --> 02:47:30,554
I'd be very surprised if not.
3096
02:47:31,214 --> 02:47:31,455
Yeah.
3097
02:47:35,550 --> 02:47:37,449
34 we're holding it.
3098
02:47:37,449 --> 02:47:40,089
34, you know something.
3099
02:47:41,089 --> 02:47:41,460
He's gonna
3100
02:47:44,810 --> 02:47:45,099
take
3101
02:47:55,810 --> 02:48:00,705
35 million with all the,
uh, all the excess liquidity
3102
02:48:00,974 --> 02:48:03,134
in the out there worldwide.
3103
02:48:04,125 --> 02:48:06,794
This might look back like
the deal of the century,
3104
02:48:09,375 --> 02:48:12,015
or it might be a changing of the God.
3105
02:48:12,074 --> 02:48:12,314
Yes.
3106
02:48:12,314 --> 02:48:17,804
It might be a movement of the guard away
from racing cars from the last century
3107
02:48:18,224 --> 02:48:20,324
and towards hypercar of this century.
3108
02:48:20,355 --> 02:48:20,474
Yeah.
3109
02:48:20,535 --> 02:48:23,505
Because we saw them do very, very well
earlier during the Bachman collections
3110
02:48:23,509 --> 02:48:26,894
and Enzo and the Sac car that we saw.
3111
02:48:26,929 --> 02:48:29,775
So yes, the, the Sac 9 1 8 that we saw.
3112
02:48:29,775 --> 02:48:30,044
Yes.
3113
02:48:30,259 --> 02:48:30,740
They do what?
3114
02:48:31,039 --> 02:48:33,380
Double Its two and a half
million dollar estimate.
3115
02:48:35,240 --> 02:48:38,929
I mean, this is the automotive
equivalent of a Picasso, Rembrandt,
3116
02:48:39,109 --> 02:48:41,359
a Van Gogh all roll into one.
3117
02:48:43,759 --> 02:48:49,820
Well, and to walk away with this
car at 35, this sets GTO price is
3118
02:48:50,240 --> 02:48:52,130
significantly back, doesn't it?
3119
02:48:52,130 --> 02:48:57,619
I mean, yeah, the weather tech
guy supposedly paid 70 or 75,
3120
02:48:57,619 --> 02:48:59,599
just three or four years ago.
3121
02:48:59,630 --> 02:48:59,869
Yeah,
3122
02:49:03,320 --> 02:49:04,279
this one's at 35.
3123
02:49:04,279 --> 02:49:07,070
And it's never been wrecked.
3124
02:49:07,970 --> 02:49:08,900
Nobody died in it.
3125
02:49:08,900 --> 02:49:10,279
I mean, there's a lot of positives.
3126
02:49:10,279 --> 02:49:10,429
Yeah.
3127
02:49:10,429 --> 02:49:14,689
Lesser examples with issues,
uh, have sold for more.
3128
02:49:15,410 --> 02:49:15,769
Well, yes.
3129
02:49:15,800 --> 02:49:18,500
'cause of course, that's the
story with the $35 million car.
3130
02:49:18,500 --> 02:49:20,689
It wasn't written so much
that it had a bad history.
3131
02:49:20,865 --> 02:49:24,830
It was that it, it was that it
had virtually no history at all.
3132
02:49:26,090 --> 02:49:26,390
Right.
3133
02:49:26,810 --> 02:49:30,410
In that when it was born new, it
was wrecked shortly afterwards.
3134
02:49:31,939 --> 02:49:35,390
It was wrecked shortly afterwards,
and the family seemed likely that
3135
02:49:35,390 --> 02:49:40,310
it seemed to have hung onto the car
for many years until Bonhams brought
3136
02:49:40,310 --> 02:49:42,199
it to auction and sold it in 2023.
3137
02:49:45,800 --> 02:49:50,484
Still sticking at 35, asking,
we're not moving from this part 35.
3138
02:49:50,785 --> 02:49:53,449
We are not, I mean, unless
we are not getting to 40,
3139
02:49:56,000 --> 02:49:58,160
which puts even Williams'
projection pretty high.
3140
02:50:03,080 --> 02:50:06,170
This was certainly a bold
offering for Mecom Auctions.
3141
02:50:06,170 --> 02:50:12,470
They've done amazing pre-sale marketing
of this car, promotion, presentation,
3142
02:50:12,980 --> 02:50:18,170
everything that an auction house should be
doing to present a car of this magnitude.
3143
02:50:18,170 --> 02:50:19,279
So hats off to them.
3144
02:50:19,279 --> 02:50:21,140
They have been doing
an awesome job of this.
3145
02:50:21,439 --> 02:50:22,340
Could not agree more.
3146
02:50:23,060 --> 02:50:24,140
Absolutely fabulous.
3147
02:50:24,800 --> 02:50:25,070
Yes.
3148
02:50:25,369 --> 02:50:28,070
If you were in the market for the
car, for a car like this, there's no
3149
02:50:28,070 --> 02:50:29,930
way you couldn't know it was on sale.
3150
02:50:29,930 --> 02:50:31,550
You would know this car was on sale.
3151
02:50:31,610 --> 02:50:34,880
Everybody's been watching this car,
everybody's been talking about this car.
3152
02:50:35,390 --> 02:50:37,940
I haven't bumped into anybody
that doesn't, doesn't know that
3153
02:50:37,940 --> 02:50:39,380
this car has been on the block.
3154
02:50:39,380 --> 02:50:41,060
It's been up for sale for quite a while.
3155
02:50:41,779 --> 02:50:42,170
So
3156
02:50:44,270 --> 02:50:50,150
it seems clear then that the prices on
these, it seems clear that this is a
3157
02:50:50,449 --> 02:50:55,970
dip in price for these very high end
fifties, sixties sports racing cars,
3158
02:51:03,590 --> 02:51:06,289
racing tides don't
necessarily raise all boats.
3159
02:51:06,289 --> 02:51:07,580
And I think that's the market.
3160
02:51:07,580 --> 02:51:09,350
There's, it's very selective.
3161
02:51:09,350 --> 02:51:10,550
It's very stratified.
3162
02:51:11,539 --> 02:51:12,980
This, hopefully this.
3163
02:51:13,230 --> 02:51:18,150
Uh, high, high, high of the high end,
uh, offering Will, will, will work.
3164
02:51:19,890 --> 02:51:22,560
Uh, we've seen a lot of
surprises to the upside today.
3165
02:51:28,050 --> 02:51:30,210
Now they're giving a history
lesson to get everybody tuned in
3166
02:51:32,935 --> 02:51:36,330
and hopefully we'll see a nice, healthy
bump and some aggressive bidding.
3167
02:51:36,420 --> 02:51:37,439
A competitive bidding.
3168
02:51:38,789 --> 02:51:43,890
Um, I'm wondering though, is it,
could it be dangerous to advance
3169
02:51:43,890 --> 02:51:47,490
market something like this as
far ahead as it as it had been?
3170
02:51:48,090 --> 02:51:50,609
Or is it good practice to do that?
3171
02:51:50,699 --> 02:51:54,779
Because you would think that the diligence
that's gone into this since about August,
3172
02:51:55,770 --> 02:51:58,109
probably around Monterey, uh, last year.
3173
02:51:58,859 --> 02:51:59,160
Yes.
3174
02:51:59,160 --> 02:52:00,869
The car was at Monterey last year.
3175
02:52:00,869 --> 02:52:01,920
My son and I saw it.
3176
02:52:02,400 --> 02:52:02,670
Yeah.
3177
02:52:02,670 --> 02:52:03,000
And it's.
3178
02:52:03,000 --> 02:52:03,775
Beautiful.
3179
02:52:03,835 --> 02:52:05,275
It's just simply beautiful.
3180
02:52:05,275 --> 02:52:09,385
And I think with the generational money
that's out there, the international money
3181
02:52:09,385 --> 02:52:15,745
that's out there again, do you think
people are waiting for the bid goes on?
3182
02:52:17,035 --> 02:52:18,385
Is that what's happening at the moment?
3183
02:52:18,385 --> 02:52:19,255
I'd have to wonder.
3184
02:52:19,255 --> 02:52:19,975
I'd have to wonder.
3185
02:52:21,415 --> 02:52:23,665
I mean, try and buy it on the block.
3186
02:52:23,720 --> 02:52:28,105
I mean, the, the, I don't think that
the bid goes on will provide a bargain.
3187
02:52:28,255 --> 02:52:28,345
Right.
3188
02:52:28,345 --> 02:52:32,815
It'll probably provide, again, a starting
point, a starting point for negotiation
3189
02:52:32,815 --> 02:52:35,665
with a serious, motivated prospect.
3190
02:52:36,175 --> 02:52:40,105
But if I had to take a guess, I
would guess the reserve is 50.
3191
02:52:40,430 --> 02:52:40,720
Yeah.
3192
02:52:40,725 --> 02:52:40,885
Yeah.
3193
02:52:41,155 --> 02:52:44,005
I was gonna say, because at this point
with some of the other cars we've seen
3194
02:52:44,005 --> 02:52:47,725
cross the block, they would've been like,
reserve is off and then people go crazy.
3195
02:52:47,725 --> 02:52:51,595
So I guess everybody in the room kind of
understands we're not at that point yet.
3196
02:52:51,870 --> 02:52:52,600
Yeah, that's right.
3197
02:52:52,860 --> 02:52:53,800
The car's not for sale.
3198
02:52:54,115 --> 02:52:54,265
Yeah.
3199
02:52:54,265 --> 02:52:55,405
It's just kicking, stalking.
3200
02:52:55,615 --> 02:52:55,885
Yeah.
3201
02:52:56,845 --> 02:53:00,145
Well, if somebody's out there with the
money and the, and the willingness,
3202
02:53:00,145 --> 02:53:04,705
uh, or the readiness to buy something
like this, they, uh, I think they'd
3203
02:53:04,705 --> 02:53:06,775
be well advised to do it on the block.
3204
02:53:06,925 --> 02:53:07,135
Yeah.
3205
02:53:07,980 --> 02:53:11,815
The, the one sort of black market
against the card that when we
3206
02:53:11,815 --> 02:53:13,255
discussed this last night is.
3207
02:53:13,595 --> 02:53:16,775
The fact that it's right hand
drive, not left hand drive.
3208
02:53:17,314 --> 02:53:17,435
Yeah.
3209
02:53:17,435 --> 02:53:21,365
There's like eight right hand drives,
if I remember the stats correctly, and
3210
02:53:21,365 --> 02:53:26,345
this is one of eight, however, but a
right hand drive car in the States.
3211
02:53:26,375 --> 02:53:29,765
I, to your point, John, it's not that
difficult to adapt, but for a lot of
3212
02:53:29,765 --> 02:53:32,945
people, I think it might be a point at
which you just don't want to engage.
3213
02:53:33,005 --> 02:53:33,304
Yeah.
3214
02:53:33,304 --> 02:53:37,564
I mean, I, I personally, I I hadn't
considered it as a factor until we were
3215
02:53:37,564 --> 02:53:41,855
discussing it, but I just wonder if it
is something that holds people back.
3216
02:53:41,855 --> 02:53:45,964
Just because if you've not driven
a car with, uh, you know, ears
3217
02:53:45,964 --> 02:53:47,255
are weird back to front thing.
3218
02:53:47,255 --> 02:53:49,744
It's not just that you place the
car on the other side of the road.
3219
02:53:50,074 --> 02:53:53,855
It's that everything is, you know,
the, the shift is on the other side.
3220
02:53:53,855 --> 02:53:57,785
You're using another hand to, to
change gear and that's perhaps offput.
3221
02:53:57,814 --> 02:54:02,494
However, for up until not
terribly long ago, all 'em on
3222
02:54:02,494 --> 02:54:03,994
24 hour cars were all right.
3223
02:54:04,175 --> 02:54:06,964
Right hand drive, were they
not, or most of them racing cars
3224
02:54:06,964 --> 02:54:08,494
tend to be Right hand drive.
3225
02:54:08,554 --> 02:54:08,945
That's right.
3226
02:54:08,949 --> 02:54:13,115
There's more right hand so you
can see to place the car better.
3227
02:54:13,115 --> 02:54:14,914
That's my understanding
of why they That's great.
3228
02:54:14,914 --> 02:54:16,654
It it's also for driver changes.
3229
02:54:16,654 --> 02:54:17,945
We talked about this before.
3230
02:54:18,304 --> 02:54:18,814
Oh, exactly.
3231
02:54:18,820 --> 02:54:23,429
John is, I, John and I have debate
this, but guys, we're still at 35.
3232
02:54:23,500 --> 02:54:23,789
Yeah.
3233
02:54:23,789 --> 02:54:26,269
We, I dunno what the guys on the
block are talking about whilst
3234
02:54:26,269 --> 02:54:29,765
we're talking about this stuff,
but the car is not being bid up.
3235
02:54:29,765 --> 02:54:29,824
Yeah.
3236
02:54:31,025 --> 02:54:32,914
And folks, we're not, we're
not trying to fill air time.
3237
02:54:32,914 --> 02:54:34,414
We're just like wondering what's going on.
3238
02:54:34,445 --> 02:54:35,314
Yeah, exactly.
3239
02:54:35,585 --> 02:54:39,304
Are they thinking that somebody's gonna
find $35 million down the back of their
3240
02:54:39,304 --> 02:54:40,654
seat or, or something to bid on it?
3241
02:54:40,654 --> 02:54:41,435
There's a bag here.
3242
02:54:41,554 --> 02:54:42,545
I don't know what's in it.
3243
02:54:42,845 --> 02:54:44,375
Oh yeah.
3244
02:54:44,375 --> 02:54:44,945
Where's that guy?
3245
02:54:46,445 --> 02:54:48,029
Chat, GB t's gonna bet on this.
3246
02:54:48,574 --> 02:54:49,445
Oh, isn't that amazing?
3247
02:54:49,804 --> 02:54:50,314
Bitcoin's up.
3248
02:54:50,314 --> 02:54:51,095
I'm gonna make a bid.
3249
02:54:51,095 --> 02:54:51,525
Yeah, yeah.
3250
02:54:51,525 --> 02:54:52,835
What's my Nvidia stock at?
3251
02:54:56,165 --> 02:54:57,305
It's quiet in here.
3252
02:54:57,485 --> 02:54:58,805
It's thinned out quite a bit.
3253
02:54:59,405 --> 02:55:02,645
I'm surprised that a group of
people didn't form an investment
3254
02:55:02,645 --> 02:55:04,535
LLC and and buy something like this.
3255
02:55:04,625 --> 02:55:04,925
Oh, sorry.
3256
02:55:04,930 --> 02:55:06,155
Yeah, that's a, sorry
to cut you off there.
3257
02:55:06,185 --> 02:55:07,655
That's a new thing
though these days, right?
3258
02:55:07,655 --> 02:55:09,605
Where they go in together
and buy something like this.
3259
02:55:09,605 --> 02:55:09,855
Yeah, yeah.
3260
02:55:09,855 --> 02:55:11,615
And run it, you know, as a, as a venture.
3261
02:55:12,065 --> 02:55:15,635
But if, if we was slightly better
healed, if we'd arrived there, each
3262
02:55:15,635 --> 02:55:19,610
planet, each with 10 million that we
were ready to spend, I have 50 bucks
3263
02:55:19,655 --> 02:55:24,305
I could give you, I mean that Well, I
mean, but, but if had we arrived you,
3264
02:55:24,305 --> 02:55:25,715
we could have picked up a bargain.
3265
02:55:25,895 --> 02:55:26,255
Yeah.
3266
02:55:26,495 --> 02:55:28,835
Could you imagine a
fractional offering of if.
3267
02:55:28,980 --> 02:55:33,330
For to qualified bidders of say, I
think the, the threshold's 200,000
3268
02:55:34,320 --> 02:55:36,270
to own, to, to play in that market.
3269
02:55:37,439 --> 02:55:37,830
There we go.
3270
02:55:38,730 --> 02:55:39,449
35
3271
02:55:43,170 --> 02:55:44,460
reserve is off.
3272
02:55:44,460 --> 02:55:47,010
That 35 reserve was at 35.
3273
02:55:47,010 --> 02:55:48,574
The reserve was at 35.
3274
02:55:51,695 --> 02:55:53,255
I would've expected a far higher
3275
02:55:56,475 --> 02:55:57,295
35
3276
02:56:05,425 --> 02:56:06,335
final call.
3277
02:56:06,705 --> 02:56:08,939
Third and final call at 35.
3278
02:56:09,240 --> 02:56:09,570
Five
3279
02:56:12,600 --> 02:56:13,470
going once
3280
02:56:18,515 --> 02:56:19,535
35 million.
3281
02:56:24,605 --> 02:56:25,215
5 million.
3282
02:56:26,164 --> 02:56:26,855
5 million.
3283
02:56:29,365 --> 02:56:29,855
Anybody.
3284
02:56:30,145 --> 02:56:32,430
Those the people that are in the audience.
3285
02:56:32,430 --> 02:56:36,960
There are a good number of people standing
and a great number of people filming.
3286
02:56:37,244 --> 02:56:37,535
Yeah.
3287
02:56:38,850 --> 02:56:39,570
How many are bidding?
3288
02:56:41,880 --> 02:56:42,750
That's exactly right.
3289
02:56:42,750 --> 02:56:44,070
Need, need bidders
3290
02:56:55,890 --> 02:56:58,410
sold at 35 million
3291
02:57:00,449 --> 02:57:05,490
a car with this quality, that
is the bargain of the century.
3292
02:57:05,699 --> 02:57:05,910
Oh yeah.
3293
02:57:05,910 --> 02:57:07,320
Somebody got a huge bargain.
3294
02:57:07,320 --> 02:57:09,090
This is not gonna, sorry.
3295
02:57:09,330 --> 02:57:11,490
So it has been a day full of anomalies.
3296
02:57:11,640 --> 02:57:11,939
Right.
3297
02:57:12,359 --> 02:57:14,279
We got outliers in both directions.
3298
02:57:14,580 --> 02:57:14,910
Wow.
3299
02:57:15,750 --> 02:57:16,560
On Unreal.
3300
02:57:16,619 --> 02:57:16,869
This is.
3301
02:57:17,200 --> 02:57:20,980
People will be talking about
this for a long time to come.
3302
02:57:20,980 --> 02:57:21,340
Yeah.
3303
02:57:21,400 --> 02:57:25,780
This is significantly, I I really
feel this paradigm shift that
3304
02:57:25,780 --> 02:57:27,160
we were discussing earlier.
3305
02:57:27,160 --> 02:57:32,230
I, I really feel like the people in the
audience with the big checkbooks are now
3306
02:57:32,680 --> 02:57:35,890
in their forties and fifties, not old.
3307
02:57:35,890 --> 02:57:39,670
Uh, yeah, they're not, I hate to
say baby, they're not interested
3308
02:57:39,670 --> 02:57:41,620
in sixties eras, Ferraris.
3309
02:57:41,620 --> 02:57:45,820
Like we saw some of the lower
cars really not perform that well.
3310
02:57:46,210 --> 02:57:50,470
And then if that's the case, shifting
tastes, how can a car like this, this
3311
02:57:50,470 --> 02:57:55,420
is like lust on wheels, let alone
it's competitive history, who had
3312
02:57:55,420 --> 02:57:58,120
their backside in the driver's seat.
3313
02:58:00,340 --> 02:58:03,340
The, you know, the fact that it
wasn't never totally restored.
3314
02:58:04,000 --> 02:58:05,020
My mind is blown.
3315
02:58:05,020 --> 02:58:08,980
Somebody's got an entry to every event
they ever should care to participate in.
3316
02:58:11,020 --> 02:58:13,450
And maybe this is a reset
of that end of the market.
3317
02:58:15,160 --> 02:58:19,030
You know, we'd be, it'll be amazing
to see what happens next in the
3318
02:58:19,030 --> 02:58:20,740
high ultra highend, uh, market.
3319
02:58:21,640 --> 02:58:25,570
But it's, it will be because the
e and had coup seems a very, very
3320
02:58:25,570 --> 02:58:27,070
long time ago now, doesn't it?
3321
02:58:27,070 --> 02:58:32,170
That $143 million Mercedes-Benz,
that seems like quite a long time
3322
02:58:32,170 --> 02:58:34,480
ago now, way in the rear view mirror.
3323
02:58:34,870 --> 02:58:35,260
Yeah.
3324
02:58:35,650 --> 02:58:38,650
Well, for the sake of our listeners, what
we're gonna do is we're gonna get back
3325
02:58:38,650 --> 02:58:44,110
together under less chaotic circumstances
and do a postmortem of Mecu Kissimmee
3326
02:58:44,110 --> 02:58:45,520
and the Ferraris that crossed the block.
3327
02:58:45,520 --> 02:58:48,265
'cause there are a bunch of other
Ferrari that we didn't cover that
3328
02:58:48,265 --> 02:58:49,810
we are able to capture numbers on.
3329
02:58:50,050 --> 02:58:53,320
So you'll go back to your maths
there, Dave, and kind of come
3330
02:58:53,320 --> 02:58:54,820
up with what things look like.
3331
02:58:55,090 --> 02:58:57,370
And then we'll reset and talk
about what some of the patterns
3332
02:58:57,370 --> 02:59:00,880
look like, what it might mean for
the rest of the auction season.
3333
02:59:00,880 --> 02:59:05,110
But I cannot thank you gentlemen, enough
for sharing booth time with me to, for
3334
02:59:05,110 --> 02:59:08,260
coverage here at Mecu Kissimmee, and,
uh, look forward to doing it again.
3335
02:59:08,980 --> 02:59:09,700
Thank you very much, much.
3336
02:59:12,160 --> 02:59:13,445
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