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We're Cassie and Emily.
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And this is Book Butts and Chill, a podcast where we talk about books, movies, and pop culture the way that you actually experience them.
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This show is for Type V readers, people who love stories but don't want the pressure, perfection, or the participation trophies.
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Hit follow, grab a drink, and let's talk about it.
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I need everyone to be serious for a second because why was off campus made specifically for women who grew up watching CW dramas, reading Wattpad, and renting rom-com DVDs from Blockbuster.
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This show literally felt like someone fed 2014 Tumblr, early Booktube, and every iconic romance movie into a blender, and somehow it worked.
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This episode is our full spiral about what worked, what didn't, and the scenes we cannot stop thinking about and whether people should read the books before or after watching.
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All right, let's talk about the show off campus and the deal first.
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Okay.
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So, overall, obviously this is technically an adaptation, but we know that Emily is quite the stickler on these adaptations.
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So, do we feel like this adaptation worked, or did it feel like more of a like blend of an adaptation and a CW teen drama?
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I knew that this adaptation wasn't going to work from the very beginning.
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And do you want to know why?
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Yeah.
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Because these books, and we talked about this when we read them, were written in 2015.
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And the show is coming out in 2026, and the storylines and the men were just never going to be the same with a 10-year difference.
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That's so true.
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And you know what?
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Here's my thing.
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Here is my thing.
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I think if you're a if you read these books maybe when they came out or a few years ago or whatever, maybe they have this like core cult following.
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But when I read this book, I was like, I don't know how this show is going to be good.
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Like, I don't know if I'm going to enjoy this.
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And the show was 4,000 times better than the book.
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Like off campus, the show made the book, the deal, like astronomically better in my mind.
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Like maybe took it from a two-star to a four-star book or story overall.
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I was gonna say, am I making this up or did you literally rate this book one star?
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Uh two.
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If I rated it one star, I would have literally DNF'd it.
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I don't think I've ever rated something one star.
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But some people in our book club did rate it one star.
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Like people were like horrified by the cheesiness.
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They were horrified by the lingo.
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There were so many like text acronyms that were used throughout the story.
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I mean, the one thing that I will credit this book for is that it taught me what a spank bank was.
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And that is that's huge for me because I was in college in 2015 and I had literally never heard of that before.
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I knew what a spank bank was, but you know, you learned some special things growing up in my household.
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So that was kind of my biggest fear going into the adaptation that it was just gonna be bad and I was gonna waste my time.
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And I was obviously pleasantly surprised.
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Did you have a big fear going from reading the deal to watching off campus?
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No, I think that I have a fear with all of these book adaptations coming out in general, which is like they're not going to have the budget to do all of these shows well.
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So I was like, this is going to be so cheesy, which the book was cheesy too.
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So I wasn't going to be disappointed, but I do think there was like an underlying fear that like everybody wanted it to match heated rivalry.
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True, true.
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Like heated rivalry set this hockey romance baseline for people who either read hockey romance or not.
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Actually, no, I feel like if you've read hockey romance, those like face-off books are borderline the baseline.
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Yeah.
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But if you have only watched heated rivalry, like that's just the that's the blueprint.
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Like that's it.
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And this adaptation, this off-campus show had a lot to live up to because heated rivalry was art.
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That was a work of art hanging in the luv.
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And honestly, off campus was up there for me.
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Not at the same level, but up there.
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A hundred percent.
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I did I never expected for it to reach the level of of obsession that heated rivalry did.
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I think I just thought it was gonna be like a good show to binge watch in the background like you're while you're folding laundry or something.
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And I'm like, no, I was excluded to this television.
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Locked in literally for eight hours straight, by the way.
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Absolutely.
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The only thing keeping me from watching this show was like actual life responsibilities.
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Yeah, unfortunately.
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Unfortunate life responsibilities.
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I think I literally sent a voice note to Emily at like 1:30 in the morning, and I was like, I just finished the show and I am a shell of a human right now.
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Yes.
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I don't know what to do with myself.
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It's giving when people are like, I stayed up till 3 a.m.
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to binge read a book and I have no regrets.
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100%.
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So I think I would like to start with before we get into the nitty-gritty of the show.
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Do you think that people need to read the book before watching the show?
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I have a very specific opinion here, but I'm interested in what you thought.
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Absolutely not.
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I am absolutely warning people off of reading the books.
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You mean that, like literally, even the deal, which you gave three stars, you would not tell people to read before they watched off campus.
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No, I'm so worried that everybody that's obsessed with off campus will read the deal and then like get the ick of a character.
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That's so interesting that you say that because I actually have the opposite opinion.
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Where I, yes, I actually do think that if you watch the show, if you watch off campus and you were obsessed with it and like you need more, I actually think reading the deal is a great way to get that because it's definitely cheesier.
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It's not as good 100%.
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But like you do get so much of the banter between Garrett and Hannah.
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Like he's way sillier, like more jockey, but then like you get the like deeper emotional impact of the things that they went through.
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And then you also just get so many bonus scenes between the two of them that you didn't get the show.
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I guess.
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But you know what I think is like do you know what's jading my opinion is that I read the second book, and the second book I actually gave like 1.5 stars.
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Like it was so bad.
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And so like finish it because I needed to.
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And to be able to like give you this opinion, I needed to finish the book.
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Of course.
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So I'm like, are do you are you worried that if you recommend people read the books that they're gonna like the deal, but then like yell at us for the rest of the series?
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Like, like I said, I didn't love the deal at all.
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Like it was fun, whatever, but it wasn't something that I would ever be like, that is one of my favorite romances.
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Like, I remember when I closed Heated Rivalry the book before reading the show.
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I was like, Who am I?
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I am a changed person.
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I have been reborn, I have been baptized in the church of Shane Hollander and Ilya Rosanoff.
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I could not have felt farther from that with the deal.
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And so it was just it was interesting to me because like going into it, I was like, oh, these fun scenes are making me giddy and having I'm having a blast with this, but all the changes that they made to the show, I think just like made the experience better.
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Right.
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And that's why I want to get into like what came different in this show and why I think it made it so much better than the book.
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Yes, agreed.
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Let's talk about it because there were some scenes that I was very nervous about them adapting.
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Yes.
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And I was a firm, firm believer that if they cut the masturbation scene out of this show, that I was going to riot on the doorsteps of Prime Video.
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Could not, could not agree more with pitchforks.
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I was like, if there was one scene in the deal that had my jaw on the ground, it was them masturbating together.
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Yeah, and then like watching Breaking Bad at the same time.
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Like it was, it was a wild, wild scene.
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And I loved that the author L.
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Kennedy included that because it was just such a great moment of like breaking down these walls between the two of them and this like intense vulnerability between the two of them, where I was like, How the fuck are they going to put that on a big screen?
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And they delivered on it so perfectly.
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The toe curl, the toe curls, the toe curls.
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Oh my god.
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The toe curls, the head back.
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The breathing, like when they did like the close-ups of them like breathing super.
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I was like, oh my god, this is visceral.
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When they panned down and you can like see his wrist going up.
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I was like absolutely in shock, but I was so so happy.
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I was feeling every feeling, I think, imaginable.
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It was so perfectly done.
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And you know what's crazy?
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I watched an interview of the actors, I think Ella and uh Belmont.
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Yeah.
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And Belmont was saying that I guess like the timing that they filmed the scene or something, they like didn't have enough time to finish it.
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And so he had to like go back and finish his part by himself.
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And so he was like, it was literally just me and like the camera crew.
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And I was like, all right, guys, like avert your eyes.
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He was literally in a rolling off his chair.
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Yeah.
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Okay, but here's my other question that this sparked for me.
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What is it about these scenes that are clearly written for the female gaze?
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Yeah.
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And a chair, a one chair moment.
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A one chair.
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If we want to call it a trope, let's call it a trope.
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But what the fuck is it about the chair?
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Like Oh my god, I totally forgot about that.
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Ilya and heated rivalry.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Same thing.
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This moment in off campus, in the it wasn't even in the deal.
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I don't think he sat in a chair.
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Like, what is it about the chair?
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And like thinking about in in fourth wing, like with the chair scene.
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I'm like, why?
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There's a chair, and I'm instantly gone.
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I have no idea though.
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Like, is it because this space is like small and compact?
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I don't know.
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Is it like a POV type of thing?
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Like, only you you can only get that POV if somebody's like sitting in a chair.
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Maybe, but I'm also thinking about like someone sitting in front of me in a chair doing weird things.
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And like, I don't, I'm not into that.
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Like, that's bizarre.
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I'll try it for you guys and report back for science.
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For science only.
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Okay.
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Well, you know what?
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Um, well, you know, there was another dicky moment that I I would like to call it a dicky moment that was changed for the show.
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Yes, what was that?
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So in the book, Garrett Graham, when her him and Hannah break up, they he does this campus-wide hands-off rule where like no man is allowed to touch Hannah because he said so.
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Yes, yes, because she broke up with him.
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Yeah.
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And he didn't know why.
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Yeah.
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I think that I so this is so toxic, but I also was like, in the book, that is so much more believable, you know, that like some like full of himself jock would do that who's like in love with this girl and like trying to call her on her bluff.
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Yeah.
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Um, and I thought it was interesting that they changed who broke up with who in the show.
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Same clearly to deliver on this like more significant emotional impact, probably in the show.
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I didn't really think that's a good one.
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I didn't mind it, but I then I was like, it doesn't make any sense that they just like threw in the hands-off rule, like out of nowhere.
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And then he was like, That wasn't me.
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Okay.
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No.
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I was like, oh the whole like him breaking up with her, because in the book, she breaks up with him because the dad is like, Garrett's going to like wreck his hockey career because he starts losing games while he's dating Hannah.
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Yeah.
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And so like she breaks up with him because the dad pressures her.
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I thought that was a fine storyline.
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In the show, they make it where like Garrett breaks up with her because of his own insecurities.
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And I don't know, it just like was the only time in the show where I was like, oh, he's being such a nasty man.
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I do think I didn't mind it because I think if you were to show him getting in that fight with the guy that he the guy who assaulted Hannah, yeah, and there was like no blowback to that in the book.
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Like Hannah was like, oh, you know, I get it.
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Like it's my like that would not happen.
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Like, if you watch that, there's no way that you're not gonna be upset.
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And so I actually liked that they did that and like gave that to her and like gave her that empowerment.
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Yeah.
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And I also liked that they like had Garrett show that insecurity because that was such a part of his storyline throughout the book.
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But like you have to sandwich so much into the show that you didn't really get that as much the whole time.
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I know.
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I just really struggled with him like breaking Hannah's heart because like in the book, he never broke her heart.
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Yeah.
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So that's why I struggled with it.
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But you know that there's the toxic women of the internet are actually loving that fight scene.
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Oh my god, yeah, I saw that the other day.
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Like, why would I actually be so turned on by that?
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Yeah, they're like, I'm sorry, but if a man threw down for me like that and then looked at me in the sidelines, I would jump his bones.
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I too would probably have Panna's reaction and be like, what in the fuck just happened?
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Which also I overall really appreciated the treatment in the show of all the triggers.
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I I think they did a really good job of balancing it, of showing it in an authentic way, but not in a way that it took over the show, like where it was like you understood why it made the characters into who they were, but it wasn't like the primary storyline.
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Yeah, and I think that the show very much had this like overlying feeling of just like being one of those like CW type shows, one Tree Hill, like gossip girl.
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Like it's more of like a feel-good show.
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Like, you don't want to be like emotionally devastated while watching it.
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Yes, I totally agree.
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Which also some interesting cinematic choices, which made us feel like they made this show not just for the female gays, but also for the millennial gays.
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100%.
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There were so many parallels in the like the scene setups and the cinematography and things like that to like huge romance movies from when we were growing up.
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Do you think they did that on purpose, or do you think that there's just so much media made that we're all just finding the crossover?
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No, it was really apparent.
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It felt very apparent.
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I don't know.
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I mean, so the one that I do think is a little bit of a reach is the 16 candles one.
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No, that's the one I thought was the most.
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Really?
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Oh, wait, no, I'm thinking of the um the cake scene that everyone compares to um the Ally and Dean when I was.
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Oh no, yeah, that one was such a stretch.
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But the other one where like standing on his car, it's literally shot for shot.
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Copy paste.
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Yeah.
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Copy paste.
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100% agree.
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No, I agree with that.
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I liked that.
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Um, but then there were like a few other ones where I don't know.
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I was like, I feel like we're just we're really, we love the nostalgia in this.
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The legally blonde bunny costume was copy paste.
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Oh, I mean, yeah, but that was like there were costumes from across the board.
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Like the the top gun one with maverick, the J Lo dress.
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I'm like, that the J Lo dress belongs to millennials and millennials alone.
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See, this is where I'm this is where I'm like, I think that millennials, like our brains have been just poisoned by the amount of unbelievable rom cops that we grew up with.
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Yeah.
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And like we just got so many iconic moments and lines and scenes and whatever that we're like, oh, there's so many parallels everywhere.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's the same thing as when you read like the same tropes and romance books over and over.
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And you're like, oh my god, that's so copy and paste from that Emily Henry book.
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And it's like, no, there's just only so much to write.
00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:08.079
Right.
00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:11.119
There's only so far we can take this, okay?
00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:12.000
Yeah.
00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:21.440
So I want to talk about the show only moments because they're like I said, off campus in my mind was better than the deal.
00:17:21.519 --> 00:17:23.519
And I think it's because of certain choices.
00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:30.799
And the first choice was Allie and Dean being front and center for most of the show.
00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:35.440
I mean, that they were, they almost stole the show for me.
00:17:35.599 --> 00:17:37.200
Like almost show up so close.
00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:38.480
Book three.
00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:42.880
Like, quite literally, Allie is with Sean until book three.
00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:43.359
Yeah.
00:17:43.519 --> 00:17:45.039
And then what, episode two?
00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:48.079
We're getting them dancing on the floor to JLo.
00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:49.200
I'm like, oh.
00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:52.559
I didn't know I needed this.
00:17:52.880 --> 00:18:01.200
I was literally jaw on the floor, and I think that if they would have not had those Allie and Dean moments, I would you have liked the show as much?
00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:02.079
I don't know.
00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:03.119
I don't know.
00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:03.680
I know.
00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:04.880
I don't know.
00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:06.079
That's hard.
00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:09.519
Because I do love Hannah and Garrett's romance.
00:18:09.759 --> 00:18:10.400
Yeah.
00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:12.079
But I don't know.
00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:12.720
I know.
00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:14.640
I loved them so much.
00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:22.400
But like the actual heart palpitations I was having from the Dean scenes, like I needed that mix.
00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:24.880
I desperately needed that mix.
00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:29.440
Like, it does feel like in Heated Rivalry, like getting Scott and Kipp's story.
00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:33.680
Like that was one of my favorite episodes of the show, hands down.
00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:36.559
Do you think they copied that from Heated Rivalry?
00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:37.759
I don't know.
00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:41.440
Well, so they did, it's a great formula, so I support it.
00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:53.839
So I saw a clip that the director said there was originally gonna be 10 episodes in the season, and they cut it back to eight, and one of the episodes that got cut was a full Ally and Dean episode.
00:18:54.319 --> 00:18:57.359
No, I know.
00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:01.680
And people are in the comments like calling for the unreleased tapes.
00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:04.160
They're like, send this to the tape.
00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:06.319
Literally script out.
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Send this to the Supreme Court.
00:19:09.279 --> 00:19:11.759
I need this released yesterday.
00:19:11.920 --> 00:19:12.240
Okay.
00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:16.319
I'm about to go to law school to simply work on this case.
00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:20.400
But I get it, kind of because like, would it give away too much for their season?
00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:23.200
Like, we got a taste of them this season.
00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:27.440
And you don't want to like give away too much, give away the whole cake.
00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:28.559
I guess.
00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:30.000
Okay, but here's my problem.
00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:31.759
Here is my issue.
00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:39.039
We, as also as millennials, grew up with TV shows that quite literally had like 20 plus episodes per season.
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Obsessive in a way.
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It was amazing.
00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:45.839
Like you got a Thanksgiving episode, you got a Christmas episode.
00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:49.680
You we got the whole deal.
00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:54.000
We're with them in the summer, in the fall, in the winter.
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And I loved that.
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And we don't get that anymore.
00:19:58.319 --> 00:19:58.559
I know.
00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:07.279
It's like we get these limited series, and they're like all like an hour an episode, and they all come out at one time.
00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:10.079
And then it's like, okay, well, now what do I do?
00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:15.119
And then I go on the internet two seconds later, and everyone's already watched the show and it's all spoiled.
00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:25.359
I totally hated how, and like everybody has to have their own experience, but I hated how fast some of you are watching this show because I had to avoid the internet for like three days.
00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:29.599
Like, I'm sorry, I didn't have time to watch eight hour-long episodes in one day.
00:20:29.839 --> 00:20:30.720
It was too much.
00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:33.359
And you know what it also took away from?
00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:39.519
Just the general ability to rally behind a collective thing that we're all obsessed with.
00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:45.680
Like I loved that about heated rivalry where it started out with the two first episodes.
00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:46.559
Fine, great.
00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:52.720
And then every week we had to wait for a new episode, and we all watched it at the exact same time.
00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:59.039
We all talked about it at the exact same time, and then we waited the next week, and then we talked about the next one the next week.
00:20:59.119 --> 00:21:02.480
Like it was a united country for two months.
00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:09.680
It was the closest that I've felt to us just being an actual in an actual peaceful state as a nation.
00:21:09.920 --> 00:21:10.319
Yeah.
00:21:10.480 --> 00:21:12.000
Well, in my entire life.
00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:16.480
I heard they're thinking about for the second season releasing it one episode at a time.
00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:20.880
Do you know what I was obsessed with in the show that was nowhere in the book?
00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:23.200
The drunk Shakespeare scene.
00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:24.799
Oh my god.
00:21:25.039 --> 00:21:26.880
I was literally obsessed with that.
00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:27.759
It was brilliant.
00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:30.160
I was laughing out loud the entire time.
00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:32.240
And I also was like, I want to go to this.
00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:32.559
Yes.
00:21:32.720 --> 00:21:34.799
I was like, were these parties happening in college?
00:21:34.880 --> 00:21:36.640
Like, is this what the theater kids were doing?
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Because we need to go back.
00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:43.279
Listen, I was a lespian in high school and no one was talking about drunk Shakespeare.
00:21:43.359 --> 00:21:45.519
And I'm like, what where did this happen?
00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:48.319
We shouldn't have been drinking in high school.
00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:51.200
Well, that's true, but we all know what was happening.
00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:58.000
Anyways, I think that I would like to go to one of these parties in 2026 in my 30s, also.
00:21:58.559 --> 00:21:59.759
Let's do a birthday party.
00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:01.519
That's drunk Shakespeare.
00:22:01.759 --> 00:22:02.319
Ooh, yeah.
00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:02.799
Okay.
00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:06.079
When I uh my next birthday, I'm calling it.
00:22:06.319 --> 00:22:07.440
Yeah, let's do it.
00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:08.640
It would be so fun.
00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:13.839
I just like loved the two groups coming together, like the thespians and the jocks.
00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:18.319
And then like nobody was like being shy about it and everybody was participating.
00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:21.119
There was the behind the scenes drama.
00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:23.920
Oh, it was so good.
00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:30.880
And I also loved how they kind of wrapped up the storyline with the like kind of jealous girl and Garrett too.
00:22:31.119 --> 00:22:32.960
Like I thought that that was really good.
00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:36.960
And I also liked how they like pulled in Justin into that too.
00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:42.079
Cause I felt like that, also the Justin change for the show was brilliant.
00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:45.279
Like making him a musician was so smart.
00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:54.000
Like because in the book, he was like a football player, and the whole thing was that she did want to date him, and it was the whole jealousy thing still.
00:22:54.079 --> 00:23:00.720
Like she was using Garrett, but it was like it was like much more drawn out, I feel like, in the book, don't you?
00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:01.839
Yeah, 100%.
00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:07.599
You go through like almost 70% of the book, I feel like, thinking that she might go for Justin.
00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:10.559
I did love that they made him like be a musician.
00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:14.319
I thought that that just made the connection with him and Hannah so much more real.
00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:17.119
Yeah, which that was a big change from the book.
00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:25.920
Was in the book, she already had this like partner that was just like this other guy that was in feeder and he was really bossy and she didn't like working with him.
00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:29.920
And um, Garrett like gives her the confidence to like go on her own.
00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:35.119
And so I thought it was interesting that they made Justin that guy.
00:23:35.519 --> 00:23:36.160
I agree.
00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:36.799
I agree.
00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:39.839
I thought that the way that they did it too.
00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:48.000
I was like wondering if there was gonna be this big fight over like how much of the song that he was changing and whatever, but she was so passive about it.
00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:50.880
She's like, yeah, you know, that's that's Justin's song now.
00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:54.000
Did you like his song, Yellow Rain?
00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:56.319
Yellow Rain.
00:23:58.720 --> 00:24:00.880
I don't know that I like Brace Second.
00:24:01.039 --> 00:24:02.079
It was like, oh yeah, I like this.
00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:05.200
And then I was like, wait, maybe I just like Josh Houston singing this.
00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:07.359
I think that was what I enjoyed too.
00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:10.400
But honestly, the singing in the show was very impressive.
00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:17.119
I tend to be very nervous about musical shows that aren't glee.
00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:20.160
And I think that they did a really good job.
00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:31.359
Like, I was thinking that this would be like giving I you don't watch Grey's Anatomy, but like the Gray's Anatomy like singing show, which they also used to do back in the day as a millennial.
00:24:31.599 --> 00:24:34.240
Every season there was a song and dance episode.
00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:36.640
A musical episode every season.
00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:38.079
No matter the show.
00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:39.359
So crazy.
00:24:39.440 --> 00:24:41.200
Like, why did we need to do that?
00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:41.759
I don't know.
00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:43.680
Maybe they were trying to get Tony's.
00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:47.119
Maybe egots for their actors.
00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:51.839
I really, really hate like singing scenes in shows.
00:24:52.000 --> 00:25:00.400
I get like such secondhand embarrassment because usually, if you're like good at acting, singing, dancing, like you're usually like a kind of average at one of those.
00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:07.519
And I will say the actress that was playing Hannah was a very good singer, but it was still like a little cheesy.
00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:12.240
Like the end singing scene, I was like kind of getting like secondhand embarrassment.
00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:12.960
I know.
00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:21.920
I mean, it's just hard to pull off those singing scenes like in front of a crowd, and you're like expecting it to like seem real that they're delivering on it.
00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:25.200
Like that was kind of like in high school musical where it's like, okay, okay.
00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:25.680
Right.
00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:27.920
Like, we know this isn't a cold play concert.
00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:28.480
Yeah.
00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:31.359
We know we're not watching YouTube.
00:25:31.839 --> 00:25:42.319
And the singer's just like always so emotional, and she's like, and I'm like, I do think though, that like gets me into the casting.
00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:46.160
The casting for Hannah and Garrett was perfect.
00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:55.200
Spot on not one single note, like actually from the book to the show, teleported from book to show.
00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:57.920
Like insane how spot on it was.
00:25:58.079 --> 00:26:07.279
And not that bodies matter, but they literally somehow found a girl that was how exactly how Hannah's body was described in the deal.
00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:12.960
Like, literally, like, if you would have drawn a picture from the description in the book, it would have been this actress.
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:27.839
And Garrett, the guy who Belmont, who played Garrett in the show, his ability to portray his like yearning and the chemistry between them, just with his eyes, like with his literal eyeballs.
00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:33.599
I was like, what is happening with where's been with the jaw text?
00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:40.480
There was that scene where she's like telling him about the like assault was another hockey player, and you can see his jaw clench.
00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:43.359
And I'm like, How do you act a jaw clench?
00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:45.759
I literally don't know, and he did it.
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:47.119
He did it so well.
00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:57.759
And they also were very bel like I think the actress Ella who plays Hannah is 19, but I think the rest of the cast was in their 20s, like well into their 20s.
00:26:57.839 --> 00:26:59.359
I think Belmont's like 28.
00:26:59.519 --> 00:26:59.680
Yeah.
00:26:59.920 --> 00:27:03.200
And they were all very believable college kids, also.
00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:04.000
100%.
00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:04.640
Yeah.
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:08.160
They were looking very young and very fit and youthful.
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:09.920
Youthful.
00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:10.880
Youthful.
00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:13.039
Drinking from the fountain of youth.
00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:20.720
I do think what an interesting story that I saw online was that uh the guy who plays Dean, his name is Steven something.
00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:25.920
He had not read the books, but his fiance had read them.
00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:30.559
And I guess she was like, you would literally be the perfect dean like years ago.
00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:33.839
And then he ended up playing him, which is so crazy.
00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:35.839
But you know what's so crazy about that?
00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:39.920
Can you imagine being married to somebody that is the perfect dean?
00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:40.480
Ah!
00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:43.680
Oh, literally, I'm sorry.
00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:49.200
She is going to need to like protect him at all costs because people are gonna be hunting him down.
00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:50.000
I don't know.
00:27:50.160 --> 00:28:00.720
I feel like I equate Dean's character to like in romance books or romantic books, like the Cassian, like the Golden Retriever.
00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:02.400
But those are my guys.
00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:03.920
Those are your guys.
00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:04.240
Exactly.
00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:05.359
Those are my guys.
00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:08.480
And he is very much a golden retriever MMC.
00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:14.160
And I feel like he I wouldn't be afraid to be like married to someone like that.
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:16.480
Cause it's like you know that they are devoted.
00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:18.000
Oh no, I'm just kidding.
00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:26.400
Like he's not gonna step out on her, but I'm just saying, like, maybe chain him to the bed for a minute for other reasons too.
00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:28.400
Don't allow him to leave the home.
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:29.039
Yeah.
00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:41.440
But you know what is so crazy about this show and heated rivalry is that they used all unknown, well, not unknown, but these were people that have not previously been in like huge blockbuster shows or movies.
00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:42.640
Yeah, totally.
00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:45.119
Which I love that they're doing that, by the way.
00:28:45.279 --> 00:29:05.279
Like I think that that is obviously such a great way to like bring new talent to the forefront, but also it allows you to actually perfectly cast these characters, you know, versus trying to be like, oh, we want this big name, and so we're gonna have to change X, Y, and Z about the character's traits or whatever to like make it work for this person.
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:05.839
Right.
00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:13.359
And I also think that it gives the uh audience the ability to like really imagine those people as those characters.
00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:16.400
Like I was like, that is not Belmont, that is Garrett Graham.
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:18.799
Like, that is Garrett Graham somebody has presented to me.
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:28.160
And if it would have been like, you know, a famous actor like back in the day, Zach Efron, I would have been like, okay, that's Zach Efron playing Garrett Graham.
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:28.559
Right.
00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:29.279
100%.
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:30.640
I totally agree.
00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:38.240
Okay, we need to talk about what we think is gonna happen in these future seasons because I have a lot of emotions about this.
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:44.079
I think it's been said already that it's going to technically be Dean and Allie's season.
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:52.720
But then I was also watching an interview with the director who said that she wants the remaining seasons to feel like more of an ensemble of stories.
00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:58.559
Like she doesn't want it to feel like it's Dean and Allie's season or it's Logan and whoever's season.
00:29:58.720 --> 00:30:02.960
Like it's like all of their season, and we're like growing up with them.
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:03.519
Okay.
00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:07.359
Which I think I actually really appreciate personally.
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:13.279
I appreciate that until I'm waiting for a full Dean and Allie season and it becomes half a Logan season.
00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:19.519
You know, that's 100% gonna happen by the way.
00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:25.039
So they dropped Logan's like FMC name in the show.
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:31.839
They did it, they didn't show her, but they were like, Grace Ivers, you won the raffle, and that's who Logan's FMC is.
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:34.240
And oh, I didn't know that.
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:36.960
Yeah, yeah, that's who it is.
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:52.000
Um I have a lot of feelings about Logan's storyline because in the book, Logan's story is that his dad is an alcoholic and he owns this car shop or whatever, fixing car shop.
00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:54.960
And like, what is the name of a place where you fix car shop?
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:55.680
A mechanic.
00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:57.680
A mechanic shop.
00:30:58.240 --> 00:30:59.680
A fixing car shop.
00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:11.279
And at the shop, there's a br his older brother, and his older brother was like, I will take care of the car shop while you're playing hockey so that you can have your little moment.
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:18.640
But once you graduate, you are not going to the NHL, you are coming to this car shop so I can go live my life for a couple of years.
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:25.839
And so Logan's whole turmoil is that he really wants to go to the NHL, but he can't because he made this promise to his brother.
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:26.559
Yeah.
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:33.519
And then in the show, he doesn't have a brother and not a dad, it sounds like.
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:46.799
It was weird to read to my brother.
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:55.200
So I just have to keep it instead of going to the NHL and like being pro and like potentially being able to buy out the car fixing shop.
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:56.799
Like, what do you mean?
00:31:57.599 --> 00:31:59.279
What do you mean?
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:00.319
It was weird.
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:01.920
It was a weird story.
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:08.559
I very much appreciate that that is hopefully fucking changing because that's insane.
00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:10.400
It was a weird story.
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:14.319
So, like, if I had to watch that on my TV, I'd be like, what?
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:25.839
So I think that the change is good, but the reason I have a lot of emotions about it is because I think that they used the first season as a true like book-to-screen adaptation.
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:31.119
But I do not think the rest of the seasons are about to follow the book, like even like 30%.
00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:33.759
No, I mean, actually, I don't know.
00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:40.720
I feel like maybe Allie and Dean's story they'll follow a little bit more closely, which I haven't read that book.
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:41.359
So I don't know.
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:43.200
I don't know either.
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:48.160
Um, but I do feel like people seem very protective of that, you know.
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:52.559
Yeah, all I've read is that like in the book, he's like way more of a dick.
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:54.240
Oh, damn.
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Yeah, and people don't love that.
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They're like just fair warning when you get to the Allie and Dean book, like he's kind of a dick for a while.
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Like he calls Allie like a bitch at one point.
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Oh my god.
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Okay.
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Yeah, we love that he's a golden retriever in the show.
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We're gonna take that.
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Yeah.
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I do think though that they are 100% gonna steal the show.
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Like, yeah, I just don't see another union giving me as many feelings as I had when I was watching Dean and Allie on my screen.
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The actress that plays Allie is so funny.
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Oh, yeah.
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Like she gives us such this like confident, unique energy.
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Uh I want, I literally want to be her.
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I'm obsessed with her.
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I I she was so perfect for that role and she played it so well.
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Like, she showed the like emotional depth of like going through this breakup and being this relationship person and trying to follow her dreams while also being kind of held back by her boyfriend.
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Like all of these things, she played so perfectly.
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And I was like, I need way more of you.
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Yeah, everybody on the internet is saying, like, don't cut your bangs just because you saw Allie on off campus.
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Please, which is so true.
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I don't know how she gets her hair like that, but we need a tutorial.
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We do need a tutorial, but also maybe not because like people will go and try it.
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Yeah.
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Why are Allie's bangs from off campus the equivalent of Ilya's butt in heated rivalry?
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Like everyone was literally after heated rivalry was like, give us the glute routine, bro.
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Release it.
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Which these men in this show, like when they showed the first scene of them all working out together, like in the house, I was like, Where are where were these men when we were in college?
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I can't even get into that.
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They were at the hockey rink.
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That's where they were.
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We were not in a hockey friendly state.
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We needed to go somewhere else.
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I was nowhere near a hockey rink, let me tell you, until maybe like five years ago.
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Okay, I need to know your final rating on the show versus the book.
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So we normally give like our specific ratings on the adaptation versus the the book.
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So uh I would love to know your adaptation score for this.
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Adaptation score, I would say, is like a three.
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I would agree.
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I almost I was maybe gonna give it a two, borderline.
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It follows this correct storyline, it's just updated for a modern audience.
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That's fair.
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That is totally fair.
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Okay.
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I like that.
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We'll give it a three.
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Um, okay, the next one is emotional impact.
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Oh my god, emotional impact.
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I was sick for two days afterwards because I couldn't recover.
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Five.
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Literal six.
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I had a stomachache.
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I had a stomach ache.
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I was nauseous.
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I was literally sending Emily SOS voice notes at 1:30 in the morning.
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And then watching fan edits in my eyes.
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I literally watched fan edits for like 30 minutes after.
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Like I didn't go to sleep until like three o'clock in the morning because I was just like doom scrolling on TikTok, just like trying to get the dopamine hit.
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Collective illness.
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Yeah, I haven't felt happiness since it was over.
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Yeah.
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Emotional impact?
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Five.
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I hadn't felt happiness since it was over.
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Okay, casting.
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I think we're both a five.
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Yes, casting a five.
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100%.
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Perfect.
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Okay, and then the last question is should people read the book before they watch the show?
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I think you should read the deal, but as you just heard me explain Logan's book, maybe just stop there.
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Just add that I think the deal provides good context for the show, but I don't think you need to read the other books.
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No, I I actually am intrigued by Dean and Allie's book, so don't count me out there.
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Yeah.
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Get back to us after you see him call her a bitch.
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Oh god.
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All right.
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Final verdict on this is I think the show 100% watch the book.
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Check out the summary before, but it could be a fun read if you want something easy.
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Um I think that kind of wraps it up for us.
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Uh next week we are talking about our what we read in May and what we're planning to read in June.
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And there's a lot of fun stuff there because it's summertime, baby.
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Like summertime.
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Summer, summer, summer time.
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We're ready.
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We're ready.
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All right.
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Well, we'll see you same time, same place.
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Scab your blanket, scab your book, boyfriends.
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We'll see you then.
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See ya.
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We're Cassie and Emily.
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And this is Book Butts and Chill, a podcast where we talk about books, movies, and pop culture the way that you actually experience them.
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This show is for Type V readers, people who love stories but don't want the pressure, perfection, or the participation trophies.
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Hit follow, grab a drink, and let's talk about it.
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I need everyone to be serious for a second because why was off campus made specifically for women who grew up watching CW dramas, reading Wattpad, and renting rom-com DVDs from Blockbuster.
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This show literally felt like someone fed 2014 Tumblr, early Booktube, and every iconic romance movie into a blender, and somehow it worked.
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This episode is our full spiral about what worked, what didn't, and the scenes we cannot stop thinking about and whether people should read the books before or after watching.
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All right, let's talk about the show off campus and the deal first.
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Okay.
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So, overall, obviously this is technically an adaptation, but we know that Emily is quite the stickler on these adaptations.
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So, do we feel like this adaptation worked, or did it feel like more of a like blend of an adaptation and a CW teen drama?
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I knew that this adaptation wasn't going to work from the very beginning.
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And do you want to know why?
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Yeah.
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Because these books, and we talked about this when we read them, were written in 2015.
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And the show is coming out in 2026, and the storylines and the men were just never going to be the same with a 10-year difference.
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That's so true.
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And you know what?
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Here's my thing.
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Here is my thing.
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I think if you're a if you read these books maybe when they came out or a few years ago or whatever, maybe they have this like core cult following.
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But when I read this book, I was like, I don't know how this show is going to be good.
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Like, I don't know if I'm going to enjoy this.
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And the show was 4,000 times better than the book.
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Like off campus, the show made the book, the deal, like astronomically better in my mind.
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Like maybe took it from a two-star to a four-star book or story overall.
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I was gonna say, am I making this up or did you literally rate this book one star?
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Uh two.
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If I rated it one star, I would have literally DNF'd it.
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I don't think I've ever rated something one star.
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But some people in our book club did rate it one star.
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Like people were like horrified by the cheesiness.
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They were horrified by the lingo.
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There were so many like text acronyms that were used throughout the story.
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I mean, the one thing that I will credit this book for is that it taught me what a spank bank was.
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And that is that's huge for me because I was in college in 2015 and I had literally never heard of that before.
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I knew what a spank bank was, but you know, you learned some special things growing up in my household.
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So that was kind of my biggest fear going into the adaptation that it was just gonna be bad and I was gonna waste my time.
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And I was obviously pleasantly surprised.
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Did you have a big fear going from reading the deal to watching off campus?
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No, I think that I have a fear with all of these book adaptations coming out in general, which is like they're not going to have the budget to do all of these shows well.
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So I was like, this is going to be so cheesy, which the book was cheesy too.
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So I wasn't going to be disappointed, but I do think there was like an underlying fear that like everybody wanted it to match heated rivalry.
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True, true.
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Like heated rivalry set this hockey romance baseline for people who either read hockey romance or not.
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Actually, no, I feel like if you've read hockey romance, those like face-off books are borderline the baseline.
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Yeah.
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But if you have only watched heated rivalry, like that's just the that's the blueprint.
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Like that's it.
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And this adaptation, this off-campus show had a lot to live up to because heated rivalry was art.
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That was a work of art hanging in the luv.
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And honestly, off campus was up there for me.
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Not at the same level, but up there.
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A hundred percent.
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I did I never expected for it to reach the level of of obsession that heated rivalry did.
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I think I just thought it was gonna be like a good show to binge watch in the background like you're while you're folding laundry or something.
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And I'm like, no, I was excluded to this television.
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Locked in literally for eight hours straight, by the way.
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Absolutely.
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The only thing keeping me from watching this show was like actual life responsibilities.
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Yeah, unfortunately.
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Unfortunate life responsibilities.
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I think I literally sent a voice note to Emily at like 1:30 in the morning, and I was like, I just finished the show and I am a shell of a human right now.
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Yes.
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I don't know what to do with myself.
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It's giving when people are like, I stayed up till 3 a.m.
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to binge read a book and I have no regrets.
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100%.
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So I think I would like to start with before we get into the nitty-gritty of the show.
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Do you think that people need to read the book before watching the show?
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I have a very specific opinion here, but I'm interested in what you thought.
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Absolutely not.
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I am absolutely warning people off of reading the books.
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You mean that, like literally, even the deal, which you gave three stars, you would not tell people to read before they watched off campus.
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No, I'm so worried that everybody that's obsessed with off campus will read the deal and then like get the ick of a character.
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That's so interesting that you say that because I actually have the opposite opinion.
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Where I, yes, I actually do think that if you watch the show, if you watch off campus and you were obsessed with it and like you need more, I actually think reading the deal is a great way to get that because it's definitely cheesier.
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It's not as good 100%.
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But like you do get so much of the banter between Garrett and Hannah.
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Like he's way sillier, like more jockey, but then like you get the like deeper emotional impact of the things that they went through.
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And then you also just get so many bonus scenes between the two of them that you didn't get the show.
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I guess.
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But you know what I think is like do you know what's jading my opinion is that I read the second book, and the second book I actually gave like 1.5 stars.
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Like it was so bad.
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And so like finish it because I needed to.
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And to be able to like give you this opinion, I needed to finish the book.
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Of course.
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So I'm like, are do you are you worried that if you recommend people read the books that they're gonna like the deal, but then like yell at us for the rest of the series?
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Like, like I said, I didn't love the deal at all.
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Like it was fun, whatever, but it wasn't something that I would ever be like, that is one of my favorite romances.
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Like, I remember when I closed Heated Rivalry the book before reading the show.
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I was like, Who am I?
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I am a changed person.
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I have been reborn, I have been baptized in the church of Shane Hollander and Ilya Rosanoff.
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I could not have felt farther from that with the deal.
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And so it was just it was interesting to me because like going into it, I was like, oh, these fun scenes are making me giddy and having I'm having a blast with this, but all the changes that they made to the show, I think just like made the experience better.
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Right.
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And that's why I want to get into like what came different in this show and why I think it made it so much better than the book.
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Yes, agreed.
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Let's talk about it because there were some scenes that I was very nervous about them adapting.
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Yes.
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And I was a firm, firm believer that if they cut the masturbation scene out of this show, that I was going to riot on the doorsteps of Prime Video.
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Could not, could not agree more with pitchforks.
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I was like, if there was one scene in the deal that had my jaw on the ground, it was them masturbating together.
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Yeah, and then like watching Breaking Bad at the same time.
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Like it was, it was a wild, wild scene.
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And I loved that the author L.
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Kennedy included that because it was just such a great moment of like breaking down these walls between the two of them and this like intense vulnerability between the two of them, where I was like, How the fuck are they going to put that on a big screen?
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And they delivered on it so perfectly.
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The toe curl, the toe curls, the toe curls.
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Oh my god.
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The toe curls, the head back.
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The breathing, like when they did like the close-ups of them like breathing super.
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I was like, oh my god, this is visceral.
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When they panned down and you can like see his wrist going up.
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I was like absolutely in shock, but I was so so happy.
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I was feeling every feeling, I think, imaginable.
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It was so perfectly done.
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And you know what's crazy?
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I watched an interview of the actors, I think Ella and uh Belmont.
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Yeah.
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And Belmont was saying that I guess like the timing that they filmed the scene or something, they like didn't have enough time to finish it.
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And so he had to like go back and finish his part by himself.
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And so he was like, it was literally just me and like the camera crew.
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And I was like, all right, guys, like avert your eyes.
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He was literally in a rolling off his chair.
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Yeah.
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Okay, but here's my other question that this sparked for me.
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What is it about these scenes that are clearly written for the female gaze?
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Yeah.
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And a chair, a one chair moment.
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A one chair.
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If we want to call it a trope, let's call it a trope.
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But what the fuck is it about the chair?
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Like Oh my god, I totally forgot about that.
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Ilya and heated rivalry.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Same thing.
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This moment in off campus, in the it wasn't even in the deal.
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I don't think he sat in a chair.
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Like, what is it about the chair?
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And like thinking about in in fourth wing, like with the chair scene.
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I'm like, why?
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There's a chair, and I'm instantly gone.
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I have no idea though.
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Like, is it because this space is like small and compact?
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I don't know.
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Is it like a POV type of thing?
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Like, only you you can only get that POV if somebody's like sitting in a chair.
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Maybe, but I'm also thinking about like someone sitting in front of me in a chair doing weird things.
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And like, I don't, I'm not into that.
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Like, that's bizarre.
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I'll try it for you guys and report back for science.
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For science only.
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Okay.
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Well, you know what?
00:11:12.159 --> 00:11:20.559
Um, well, you know, there was another dicky moment that I I would like to call it a dicky moment that was changed for the show.
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Yes, what was that?
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So in the book, Garrett Graham, when her him and Hannah break up, they he does this campus-wide hands-off rule where like no man is allowed to touch Hannah because he said so.
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Yes, yes, because she broke up with him.
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Yeah.
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And he didn't know why.
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Yeah.
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I think that I so this is so toxic, but I also was like, in the book, that is so much more believable, you know, that like some like full of himself jock would do that who's like in love with this girl and like trying to call her on her bluff.
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Yeah.
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Um, and I thought it was interesting that they changed who broke up with who in the show.
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Same clearly to deliver on this like more significant emotional impact, probably in the show.
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I didn't really think that's a good one.
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I didn't mind it, but I then I was like, it doesn't make any sense that they just like threw in the hands-off rule, like out of nowhere.
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And then he was like, That wasn't me.
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Okay.
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No.
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I was like, oh the whole like him breaking up with her, because in the book, she breaks up with him because the dad is like, Garrett's going to like wreck his hockey career because he starts losing games while he's dating Hannah.
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Yeah.
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And so like she breaks up with him because the dad pressures her.
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I thought that was a fine storyline.
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In the show, they make it where like Garrett breaks up with her because of his own insecurities.
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And I don't know, it just like was the only time in the show where I was like, oh, he's being such a nasty man.
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I do think I didn't mind it because I think if you were to show him getting in that fight with the guy that he the guy who assaulted Hannah, yeah, and there was like no blowback to that in the book.
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Like Hannah was like, oh, you know, I get it.
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Like it's my like that would not happen.
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Like, if you watch that, there's no way that you're not gonna be upset.
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And so I actually liked that they did that and like gave that to her and like gave her that empowerment.
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Yeah.
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And I also liked that they like had Garrett show that insecurity because that was such a part of his storyline throughout the book.
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But like you have to sandwich so much into the show that you didn't really get that as much the whole time.
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I know.
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I just really struggled with him like breaking Hannah's heart because like in the book, he never broke her heart.
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Yeah.
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So that's why I struggled with it.
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But you know that there's the toxic women of the internet are actually loving that fight scene.
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Oh my god, yeah, I saw that the other day.
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Like, why would I actually be so turned on by that?
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Yeah, they're like, I'm sorry, but if a man threw down for me like that and then looked at me in the sidelines, I would jump his bones.
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I too would probably have Panna's reaction and be like, what in the fuck just happened?
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Which also I overall really appreciated the treatment in the show of all the triggers.
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I I think they did a really good job of balancing it, of showing it in an authentic way, but not in a way that it took over the show, like where it was like you understood why it made the characters into who they were, but it wasn't like the primary storyline.
00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:54.080
Yeah, and I think that the show very much had this like overlying feeling of just like being one of those like CW type shows, one Tree Hill, like gossip girl.
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Like it's more of like a feel-good show.
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Like, you don't want to be like emotionally devastated while watching it.
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Yes, I totally agree.
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Which also some interesting cinematic choices, which made us feel like they made this show not just for the female gays, but also for the millennial gays.
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100%.
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There were so many parallels in the like the scene setups and the cinematography and things like that to like huge romance movies from when we were growing up.
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Do you think they did that on purpose, or do you think that there's just so much media made that we're all just finding the crossover?
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No, it was really apparent.
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It felt very apparent.
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I don't know.
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I mean, so the one that I do think is a little bit of a reach is the 16 candles one.
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No, that's the one I thought was the most.
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Really?
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Oh, wait, no, I'm thinking of the um the cake scene that everyone compares to um the Ally and Dean when I was.
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Oh no, yeah, that one was such a stretch.
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But the other one where like standing on his car, it's literally shot for shot.
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Copy paste.
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Yeah.
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Copy paste.
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100% agree.
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No, I agree with that.
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I liked that.
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Um, but then there were like a few other ones where I don't know.
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I was like, I feel like we're just we're really, we love the nostalgia in this.
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The legally blonde bunny costume was copy paste.
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Oh, I mean, yeah, but that was like there were costumes from across the board.
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Like the the top gun one with maverick, the J Lo dress.
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I'm like, that the J Lo dress belongs to millennials and millennials alone.
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See, this is where I'm this is where I'm like, I think that millennials, like our brains have been just poisoned by the amount of unbelievable rom cops that we grew up with.
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Yeah.
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And like we just got so many iconic moments and lines and scenes and whatever that we're like, oh, there's so many parallels everywhere.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's the same thing as when you read like the same tropes and romance books over and over.
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And you're like, oh my god, that's so copy and paste from that Emily Henry book.
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And it's like, no, there's just only so much to write.
00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:08.079
Right.
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There's only so far we can take this, okay?
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Yeah.
00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:21.440
So I want to talk about the show only moments because they're like I said, off campus in my mind was better than the deal.
00:17:21.519 --> 00:17:23.519
And I think it's because of certain choices.
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And the first choice was Allie and Dean being front and center for most of the show.
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I mean, that they were, they almost stole the show for me.
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Like almost show up so close.
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Book three.
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Like, quite literally, Allie is with Sean until book three.
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Yeah.
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And then what, episode two?
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We're getting them dancing on the floor to JLo.
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I'm like, oh.
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I didn't know I needed this.
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I was literally jaw on the floor, and I think that if they would have not had those Allie and Dean moments, I would you have liked the show as much?
00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:02.079
I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I know.
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I don't know.
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That's hard.
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Because I do love Hannah and Garrett's romance.
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Yeah.
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But I don't know.
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I know.
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I loved them so much.
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But like the actual heart palpitations I was having from the Dean scenes, like I needed that mix.
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I desperately needed that mix.
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Like, it does feel like in Heated Rivalry, like getting Scott and Kipp's story.
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Like that was one of my favorite episodes of the show, hands down.
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Do you think they copied that from Heated Rivalry?
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I don't know.
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Well, so they did, it's a great formula, so I support it.
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So I saw a clip that the director said there was originally gonna be 10 episodes in the season, and they cut it back to eight, and one of the episodes that got cut was a full Ally and Dean episode.
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No, I know.
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And people are in the comments like calling for the unreleased tapes.
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They're like, send this to the tape.
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Literally script out.
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Send this to the Supreme Court.
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I need this released yesterday.
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Okay.
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I'm about to go to law school to simply work on this case.
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But I get it, kind of because like, would it give away too much for their season?
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Like, we got a taste of them this season.
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And you don't want to like give away too much, give away the whole cake.
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I guess.
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Okay, but here's my problem.
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Here is my issue.
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We, as also as millennials, grew up with TV shows that quite literally had like 20 plus episodes per season.
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Obsessive in a way.
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It was amazing.
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Like you got a Thanksgiving episode, you got a Christmas episode.
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You we got the whole deal.
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We're with them in the summer, in the fall, in the winter.
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And I loved that.
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And we don't get that anymore.
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I know.
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It's like we get these limited series, and they're like all like an hour an episode, and they all come out at one time.
00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:10.079
And then it's like, okay, well, now what do I do?
00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:15.119
And then I go on the internet two seconds later, and everyone's already watched the show and it's all spoiled.
00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:25.359
I totally hated how, and like everybody has to have their own experience, but I hated how fast some of you are watching this show because I had to avoid the internet for like three days.
00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:29.599
Like, I'm sorry, I didn't have time to watch eight hour-long episodes in one day.
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It was too much.
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And you know what it also took away from?
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Just the general ability to rally behind a collective thing that we're all obsessed with.
00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:45.680
Like I loved that about heated rivalry where it started out with the two first episodes.
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Fine, great.
00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:52.720
And then every week we had to wait for a new episode, and we all watched it at the exact same time.
00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:59.039
We all talked about it at the exact same time, and then we waited the next week, and then we talked about the next one the next week.
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Like it was a united country for two months.
00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:09.680
It was the closest that I've felt to us just being an actual in an actual peaceful state as a nation.
00:21:09.920 --> 00:21:10.319
Yeah.
00:21:10.480 --> 00:21:12.000
Well, in my entire life.
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I heard they're thinking about for the second season releasing it one episode at a time.
00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:20.880
Do you know what I was obsessed with in the show that was nowhere in the book?
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The drunk Shakespeare scene.
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Oh my god.
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I was literally obsessed with that.
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It was brilliant.
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I was laughing out loud the entire time.
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And I also was like, I want to go to this.
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Yes.
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I was like, were these parties happening in college?
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Like, is this what the theater kids were doing?
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Because we need to go back.
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Listen, I was a lespian in high school and no one was talking about drunk Shakespeare.
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And I'm like, what where did this happen?
00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:48.319
We shouldn't have been drinking in high school.
00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:51.200
Well, that's true, but we all know what was happening.
00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:58.000
Anyways, I think that I would like to go to one of these parties in 2026 in my 30s, also.
00:21:58.559 --> 00:21:59.759
Let's do a birthday party.
00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:01.519
That's drunk Shakespeare.
00:22:01.759 --> 00:22:02.319
Ooh, yeah.
00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:02.799
Okay.
00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:06.079
When I uh my next birthday, I'm calling it.
00:22:06.319 --> 00:22:07.440
Yeah, let's do it.
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It would be so fun.
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I just like loved the two groups coming together, like the thespians and the jocks.
00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:18.319
And then like nobody was like being shy about it and everybody was participating.
00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:21.119
There was the behind the scenes drama.
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Oh, it was so good.
00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:30.880
And I also loved how they kind of wrapped up the storyline with the like kind of jealous girl and Garrett too.
00:22:31.119 --> 00:22:32.960
Like I thought that that was really good.
00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:36.960
And I also liked how they like pulled in Justin into that too.
00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:42.079
Cause I felt like that, also the Justin change for the show was brilliant.
00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:45.279
Like making him a musician was so smart.
00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:54.000
Like because in the book, he was like a football player, and the whole thing was that she did want to date him, and it was the whole jealousy thing still.
00:22:54.079 --> 00:23:00.720
Like she was using Garrett, but it was like it was like much more drawn out, I feel like, in the book, don't you?
00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:01.839
Yeah, 100%.
00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:07.599
You go through like almost 70% of the book, I feel like, thinking that she might go for Justin.
00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:10.559
I did love that they made him like be a musician.
00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:14.319
I thought that that just made the connection with him and Hannah so much more real.
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Yeah, which that was a big change from the book.
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Was in the book, she already had this like partner that was just like this other guy that was in feeder and he was really bossy and she didn't like working with him.
00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:29.920
And um, Garrett like gives her the confidence to like go on her own.
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And so I thought it was interesting that they made Justin that guy.
00:23:35.519 --> 00:23:36.160
I agree.
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I agree.
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I thought that the way that they did it too.
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I was like wondering if there was gonna be this big fight over like how much of the song that he was changing and whatever, but she was so passive about it.
00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:50.880
She's like, yeah, you know, that's that's Justin's song now.
00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:54.000
Did you like his song, Yellow Rain?
00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:56.319
Yellow Rain.
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I don't know that I like Brace Second.
00:24:01.039 --> 00:24:02.079
It was like, oh yeah, I like this.
00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:05.200
And then I was like, wait, maybe I just like Josh Houston singing this.
00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:07.359
I think that was what I enjoyed too.
00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:10.400
But honestly, the singing in the show was very impressive.
00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:17.119
I tend to be very nervous about musical shows that aren't glee.
00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:20.160
And I think that they did a really good job.
00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:31.359
Like, I was thinking that this would be like giving I you don't watch Grey's Anatomy, but like the Gray's Anatomy like singing show, which they also used to do back in the day as a millennial.
00:24:31.599 --> 00:24:34.240
Every season there was a song and dance episode.
00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:36.640
A musical episode every season.
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No matter the show.
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So crazy.
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Like, why did we need to do that?
00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:41.759
I don't know.
00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:43.680
Maybe they were trying to get Tony's.
00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:47.119
Maybe egots for their actors.
00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:51.839
I really, really hate like singing scenes in shows.
00:24:52.000 --> 00:25:00.400
I get like such secondhand embarrassment because usually, if you're like good at acting, singing, dancing, like you're usually like a kind of average at one of those.
00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:07.519
And I will say the actress that was playing Hannah was a very good singer, but it was still like a little cheesy.
00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:12.240
Like the end singing scene, I was like kind of getting like secondhand embarrassment.
00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:12.960
I know.
00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:21.920
I mean, it's just hard to pull off those singing scenes like in front of a crowd, and you're like expecting it to like seem real that they're delivering on it.
00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:25.200
Like that was kind of like in high school musical where it's like, okay, okay.
00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:25.680
Right.
00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:27.920
Like, we know this isn't a cold play concert.
00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:28.480
Yeah.
00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:31.359
We know we're not watching YouTube.
00:25:31.839 --> 00:25:42.319
And the singer's just like always so emotional, and she's like, and I'm like, I do think though, that like gets me into the casting.
00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:46.160
The casting for Hannah and Garrett was perfect.
00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:55.200
Spot on not one single note, like actually from the book to the show, teleported from book to show.
00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:57.920
Like insane how spot on it was.
00:25:58.079 --> 00:26:07.279
And not that bodies matter, but they literally somehow found a girl that was how exactly how Hannah's body was described in the deal.
00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:12.960
Like, literally, like, if you would have drawn a picture from the description in the book, it would have been this actress.
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:27.839
And Garrett, the guy who Belmont, who played Garrett in the show, his ability to portray his like yearning and the chemistry between them, just with his eyes, like with his literal eyeballs.
00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:33.599
I was like, what is happening with where's been with the jaw text?
00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:40.480
There was that scene where she's like telling him about the like assault was another hockey player, and you can see his jaw clench.
00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:43.359
And I'm like, How do you act a jaw clench?
00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:45.759
I literally don't know, and he did it.
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:47.119
He did it so well.
00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:57.759
And they also were very bel like I think the actress Ella who plays Hannah is 19, but I think the rest of the cast was in their 20s, like well into their 20s.
00:26:57.839 --> 00:26:59.359
I think Belmont's like 28.
00:26:59.519 --> 00:26:59.680
Yeah.
00:26:59.920 --> 00:27:03.200
And they were all very believable college kids, also.
00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:04.000
100%.
00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:04.640
Yeah.
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:08.160
They were looking very young and very fit and youthful.
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:09.920
Youthful.
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Youthful.
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Drinking from the fountain of youth.
00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:20.720
I do think what an interesting story that I saw online was that uh the guy who plays Dean, his name is Steven something.
00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:25.920
He had not read the books, but his fiance had read them.
00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:30.559
And I guess she was like, you would literally be the perfect dean like years ago.
00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:33.839
And then he ended up playing him, which is so crazy.
00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:35.839
But you know what's so crazy about that?
00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:39.920
Can you imagine being married to somebody that is the perfect dean?
00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:40.480
Ah!
00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:43.680
Oh, literally, I'm sorry.
00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:49.200
She is going to need to like protect him at all costs because people are gonna be hunting him down.
00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:50.000
I don't know.
00:27:50.160 --> 00:28:00.720
I feel like I equate Dean's character to like in romance books or romantic books, like the Cassian, like the Golden Retriever.
00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:02.400
But those are my guys.
00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:03.920
Those are your guys.
00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:04.240
Exactly.
00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:05.359
Those are my guys.
00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:08.480
And he is very much a golden retriever MMC.
00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:14.160
And I feel like he I wouldn't be afraid to be like married to someone like that.
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:16.480
Cause it's like you know that they are devoted.
00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:18.000
Oh no, I'm just kidding.
00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:26.400
Like he's not gonna step out on her, but I'm just saying, like, maybe chain him to the bed for a minute for other reasons too.
00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:28.400
Don't allow him to leave the home.
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:29.039
Yeah.
00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:41.440
But you know what is so crazy about this show and heated rivalry is that they used all unknown, well, not unknown, but these were people that have not previously been in like huge blockbuster shows or movies.
00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:42.640
Yeah, totally.
00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:45.119
Which I love that they're doing that, by the way.
00:28:45.279 --> 00:29:05.279
Like I think that that is obviously such a great way to like bring new talent to the forefront, but also it allows you to actually perfectly cast these characters, you know, versus trying to be like, oh, we want this big name, and so we're gonna have to change X, Y, and Z about the character's traits or whatever to like make it work for this person.
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:05.839
Right.
00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:13.359
And I also think that it gives the uh audience the ability to like really imagine those people as those characters.
00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:16.400
Like I was like, that is not Belmont, that is Garrett Graham.
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:18.799
Like, that is Garrett Graham somebody has presented to me.
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:28.160
And if it would have been like, you know, a famous actor like back in the day, Zach Efron, I would have been like, okay, that's Zach Efron playing Garrett Graham.
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:28.559
Right.
00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:29.279
100%.
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:30.640
I totally agree.
00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:38.240
Okay, we need to talk about what we think is gonna happen in these future seasons because I have a lot of emotions about this.
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:44.079
I think it's been said already that it's going to technically be Dean and Allie's season.
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:52.720
But then I was also watching an interview with the director who said that she wants the remaining seasons to feel like more of an ensemble of stories.
00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:58.559
Like she doesn't want it to feel like it's Dean and Allie's season or it's Logan and whoever's season.
00:29:58.720 --> 00:30:02.960
Like it's like all of their season, and we're like growing up with them.
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:03.519
Okay.
00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:07.359
Which I think I actually really appreciate personally.
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:13.279
I appreciate that until I'm waiting for a full Dean and Allie season and it becomes half a Logan season.
00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:19.519
You know, that's 100% gonna happen by the way.
00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:25.039
So they dropped Logan's like FMC name in the show.
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:31.839
They did it, they didn't show her, but they were like, Grace Ivers, you won the raffle, and that's who Logan's FMC is.
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:34.240
And oh, I didn't know that.
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:36.960
Yeah, yeah, that's who it is.
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:52.000
Um I have a lot of feelings about Logan's storyline because in the book, Logan's story is that his dad is an alcoholic and he owns this car shop or whatever, fixing car shop.
00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:54.960
And like, what is the name of a place where you fix car shop?
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:55.680
A mechanic.
00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:57.680
A mechanic shop.
00:30:58.240 --> 00:30:59.680
A fixing car shop.
00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:11.279
And at the shop, there's a br his older brother, and his older brother was like, I will take care of the car shop while you're playing hockey so that you can have your little moment.
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:18.640
But once you graduate, you are not going to the NHL, you are coming to this car shop so I can go live my life for a couple of years.
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:25.839
And so Logan's whole turmoil is that he really wants to go to the NHL, but he can't because he made this promise to his brother.
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:26.559
Yeah.
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:33.519
And then in the show, he doesn't have a brother and not a dad, it sounds like.
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:46.799
It was weird to read to my brother.
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:55.200
So I just have to keep it instead of going to the NHL and like being pro and like potentially being able to buy out the car fixing shop.
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:56.799
Like, what do you mean?
00:31:57.599 --> 00:31:59.279
What do you mean?
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:00.319
It was weird.
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:01.920
It was a weird story.
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:08.559
I very much appreciate that that is hopefully fucking changing because that's insane.
00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:10.400
It was a weird story.
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:14.319
So, like, if I had to watch that on my TV, I'd be like, what?
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:25.839
So I think that the change is good, but the reason I have a lot of emotions about it is because I think that they used the first season as a true like book-to-screen adaptation.
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:31.119
But I do not think the rest of the seasons are about to follow the book, like even like 30%.
00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:33.759
No, I mean, actually, I don't know.
00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:40.720
I feel like maybe Allie and Dean's story they'll follow a little bit more closely, which I haven't read that book.
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:41.359
So I don't know.
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:43.200
I don't know either.
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:48.160
Um, but I do feel like people seem very protective of that, you know.
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:52.559
Yeah, all I've read is that like in the book, he's like way more of a dick.
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:54.240
Oh, damn.
00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:55.599
Yeah, and people don't love that.
00:32:55.680 --> 00:33:00.240
They're like just fair warning when you get to the Allie and Dean book, like he's kind of a dick for a while.
00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:03.680
Like he calls Allie like a bitch at one point.
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:05.200
Oh my god.
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:05.680
Okay.
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:08.319
Yeah, we love that he's a golden retriever in the show.
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:09.599
We're gonna take that.
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:10.400
Yeah.
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:14.400
I do think though that they are 100% gonna steal the show.
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:24.640
Like, yeah, I just don't see another union giving me as many feelings as I had when I was watching Dean and Allie on my screen.
00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:27.839
The actress that plays Allie is so funny.
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:29.039
Oh, yeah.
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:34.240
Like she gives us such this like confident, unique energy.
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.200
Uh I want, I literally want to be her.
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:38.559
I'm obsessed with her.
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:43.680
I I she was so perfect for that role and she played it so well.
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:53.039
Like, she showed the like emotional depth of like going through this breakup and being this relationship person and trying to follow her dreams while also being kind of held back by her boyfriend.
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:56.079
Like all of these things, she played so perfectly.
00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:58.319
And I was like, I need way more of you.
00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:04.480
Yeah, everybody on the internet is saying, like, don't cut your bangs just because you saw Allie on off campus.
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:07.759
Please, which is so true.
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:10.800
I don't know how she gets her hair like that, but we need a tutorial.
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:16.000
We do need a tutorial, but also maybe not because like people will go and try it.
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:16.800
Yeah.
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:23.920
Why are Allie's bangs from off campus the equivalent of Ilya's butt in heated rivalry?
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:29.760
Like everyone was literally after heated rivalry was like, give us the glute routine, bro.
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:31.039
Release it.
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:43.840
Which these men in this show, like when they showed the first scene of them all working out together, like in the house, I was like, Where are where were these men when we were in college?
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:46.159
I can't even get into that.
00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:48.559
They were at the hockey rink.
00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:49.360
That's where they were.
00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:52.239
We were not in a hockey friendly state.
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:54.000
We needed to go somewhere else.
00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:58.880
I was nowhere near a hockey rink, let me tell you, until maybe like five years ago.
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:05.440
Okay, I need to know your final rating on the show versus the book.
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:10.719
So we normally give like our specific ratings on the adaptation versus the the book.
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:15.039
So uh I would love to know your adaptation score for this.
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:19.440
Adaptation score, I would say, is like a three.
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:20.800
I would agree.
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:23.440
I almost I was maybe gonna give it a two, borderline.
00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:29.920
It follows this correct storyline, it's just updated for a modern audience.
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:31.039
That's fair.
00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:32.320
That is totally fair.
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:32.880
Okay.
00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:33.679
I like that.
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:35.199
We'll give it a three.
00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:40.239
Um, okay, the next one is emotional impact.
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:42.719
Oh my god, emotional impact.
00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:46.079
I was sick for two days afterwards because I couldn't recover.
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:47.360
Five.
00:35:47.840 --> 00:35:49.280
Literal six.
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:50.880
I had a stomachache.
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:52.159
I had a stomach ache.
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:53.039
I was nauseous.
00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:57.440
I was literally sending Emily SOS voice notes at 1:30 in the morning.
00:35:57.920 --> 00:35:59.679
And then watching fan edits in my eyes.
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:03.199
I literally watched fan edits for like 30 minutes after.
00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:10.639
Like I didn't go to sleep until like three o'clock in the morning because I was just like doom scrolling on TikTok, just like trying to get the dopamine hit.
00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:12.000
Collective illness.
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:14.320
Yeah, I haven't felt happiness since it was over.
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:15.199
Yeah.
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:16.719
Emotional impact?
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:17.440
Five.
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:20.559
I hadn't felt happiness since it was over.
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:23.119
Okay, casting.
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:24.559
I think we're both a five.
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:26.480
Yes, casting a five.
00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:27.119
100%.
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:28.320
Perfect.
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:33.119
Okay, and then the last question is should people read the book before they watch the show?
00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:40.480
I think you should read the deal, but as you just heard me explain Logan's book, maybe just stop there.
00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:49.519
Just add that I think the deal provides good context for the show, but I don't think you need to read the other books.
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:55.199
No, I I actually am intrigued by Dean and Allie's book, so don't count me out there.
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:55.760
Yeah.
00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:58.639
Get back to us after you see him call her a bitch.
00:36:59.039 --> 00:36:59.760
Oh god.
00:36:59.920 --> 00:37:00.239
All right.
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:05.039
Final verdict on this is I think the show 100% watch the book.
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:09.199
Check out the summary before, but it could be a fun read if you want something easy.
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:11.760
Um I think that kind of wraps it up for us.
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:19.199
Uh next week we are talking about our what we read in May and what we're planning to read in June.
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:24.719
And there's a lot of fun stuff there because it's summertime, baby.
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:25.599
Like summertime.
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:28.079
Summer, summer, summer time.
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:29.840
We're ready.
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:30.800
We're ready.
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:31.280
All right.
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:33.039
Well, we'll see you same time, same place.
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:34.880
Scab your blanket, scab your book, boyfriends.
00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:35.519
We'll see you then.
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:36.000
See ya.
