Michael & Me

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My top 25 Michael Jackson songs. Okay.
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On the Line. Stranger in Moscow. Dangerous. I Can't Help It.
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Working Day and Night. Shout.
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Earth Song. Will You Be There. It's the Falling in Love. Give in to me.
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Keep the Faith. That's 11.
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I Just Can't Stop Loving You. Wanna Be Starting Something. PYT. Baby Be Mine.
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Farewell My Summer Love. Remember the Time. Black or White.
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Bad Dirty Diana That's 25 more Shit Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay Okay,
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top five Okay, I know what one is gonna be.
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Hi everyone welcome to bonding the podcast where if you want to be starting something,
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you got to be starting something that's just that's the way it works those are
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the rules that's the order i'm
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your host troy bond today is a very special episode the michael jackson.
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That's a lot that's the soundboard from secret identity and we just got a little
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cross over there the michael movie finally got announced i didn't think it was
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ever going to i thought i was going to hate it i'll get into my thoughts in
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that about all that in just a few minutes i,
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in preparation for getting ready to do these things solo talking is not that
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big of an issue for me i do it for a living it's an issue for the people that
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have to listen so i try to make it,
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try not to or do not there is no podcast i try to give you the listener sometimes
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my supporters Oftentimes,
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harder dick riders for Charlie Kirk than his wife ever was.
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But my whole point is providing entertainment. And you're wondering,
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what the hell are these notes right here?
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Well, as you know, or may not know, huge Star Wars nerds, God, leave us.
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I actually put him in front of my window when I go on the road,
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so if people look inside my window, it's like a Home Alone situation.
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Although the Royal Guards didn't really do much to protect Palpatine,
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so kind of put all that effort into nothing.
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Like when I thought Tory was coming back on the pod. But!
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But I do often read things that are not nerd stuff. I don't always read comic stuff.
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Lately, I've been finding myself reading a lot of, I'm rereading Why Buddhism
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is True by Robert Wright's fantastic book.
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Dudes love to say that they read like Art of War or I think it's Machiavelli.
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I'm not sure. Those are like tough dude things because they want to be,
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you know, having the brain of Sun Tzu and Machiavelli is really going to help
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you out at your job doing construction. I really, really believe that for you
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there, buddy. Good luck in Staten.
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Shout out to Staten Island. Like most New Yorkers, I've been to Florida more times than Staten.
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What is the name of this book? I can tell you what I've read this year,
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if that'll make it easier. I
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won't go over everything because there's a point here I'm trying to make.
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Let's see if there's anything I would recommend to everybody.
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I reread Wishful Drinking by Carrie Fisher.
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I think she's just the most prolific writer ever and the way she has her way
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with words just makes me want to be so much smarter and her awareness for what was wrong with her,
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was so naked and so you couldn't help but relate
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to it because we all feel that down and and
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we try to hide it and carry very much never hit it
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and was just like this is who i am i really
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don't give a fuck if you like it or not that was one book wishful drinking damn
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fine story by chuck wendig who uh if you're a star wars nerd he wrote the aftermath
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trilogy really taught me a lot about narrative and and structure because i'm
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uh trying to be something of a writer myself peter uh the Oh, the great book.
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Great book. I know it's going to sound nerdy. Well, because it is.
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It's called The Zen of R2-D2. Really loved that book.
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Michael Jackson by J. Randy Teraborelli.
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Becoming Batman, The Possibility of a Superhero. And where's the one?
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I bought this one thinking it was going to teach me the lessons. The other one taught me.
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The Way of the Superior Man. Jesus, Christmas.
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Ladies, if you're on a date with that dude, and he tells you that that's the
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book that changed his life.
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He's going to hit you at some point, or he's going to refer to you as a female.
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I'm not saying that there's not important things that could be learned from
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that book, but I remember when I read it in like 2020, my friend Joe Vernalde
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pulled me aside and he was like, dude, you're weird. You're different.
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And I was because everybody wants to be superior,
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but there's a certain level of the same
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the same amount of uranium that makes nuclear
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missiles dangerous is the same level of
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testosterone men can often have inside of them that will make them
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dangerous so i went right back to tucking my dick in between my legs after that
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but capitalist realism was a very very very good book but it was narrated by
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russell brand i just couldn't stand to listen to a three-hour book a way to
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go like this who like i was a sex pest yeah but you know what you're supposed
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to do when you get cancer, you're supposed to become an alt-right director.
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The book that led me to the, I didn't want to read, I tried to read The Prince, Machiavelli.
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It was a lot. I feel like Tony Sopranos. I come out and get me the cliff notes
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once and it's pretty good.
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But I didn't, I don't comprehend a lot of stuff like that. The book I read before
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that was Operation Paperclip about the, the, the secret intelligence, the U.S.
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Intelligence programs to bring the Nazis over here and help us, you know
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they're the ones who helped us figure out that uh cancer was smoking
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causes cancer they also put argentina on the map but there's a great book called
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practical stoicism your action guide on how to implement the stoic philosophy
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in your life and and that's one that you can i've been audiobooking it i've
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been listening to it like once a day because i consider myself a atheist.
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I won't even entertain the idea of an agnostic because the idea feels absurd to me.
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And there are a lot of the things that I look up for, I often look inward for and blame.
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And that's what causes a lot of this cycle of self-sabotage within me.
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So I try to focus on the basic principles of Buddhism and meditation,
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which is noting and feeling.
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Are you feeling this? And noting, meaning when you're meditating,
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it's sitting there. You're not just sitting there.
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You're sitting there. And if a thought passes through you, you're supposed to
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note it and go, am I feeling that? Or am I thinking that?
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And either way, you just let it go out of you. And that's something that I've
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been practicing for years.
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It got me off cocaine in 2020, but then I went back on cocaine in 2023 and off since.
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But you know, it's life as somebody who's about to be 30 and my life is going to be over.
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But I did a lot before my 30th birthday.
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You face the same trials in different
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parts of your life and hopefully the next time you face the trial you're
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a little more prepared and i did
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know growing up at all because i woke up at six o'clock in the morning last
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week to get this beautiful novelization of the revenge of the sith book it's
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got beautiful lettering on the side by mathur stover and there was a very very
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very poignant passage that i wrote down because i wanted to talk about because i thought that it
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Maybe it's just what I was going through this week, but I feel like a lot of
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people could relate to it. You know what?
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I typed it out because I knew I was going to lose a page to this.
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Okay. All right. So basically, remember the scene in Revenge of the Sith where
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they say to Anakin, you're on this council, but we don't grant you the rank of master.
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And the reason why they're doing it is because they're not sure if Palpatine
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is the Sith Lord, if the Sith Lord is infiltrated and they need them to, they need Anakin there.
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They're basically using him, a person who, if you asked him to be there for
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a friend, he'd be there in a heartbeat.
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They're asking him to do that against his father figure.
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And he has a flip out. within the council chambers. I don't know how many of
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you grew up playing sports, but he basically told the coach to go fuck themselves
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in front of the whole team, which usually ends in suicides.
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And after the meeting, Obi-Wan stops Anakin and in the book,
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this isn't in the movie, this isn't the book, that's the beauty of like a novelization of a film.
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He says, your thoughts are of jealousy and of pride.
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Your thoughts are of jealousy and pride, Anakin. These are dark thoughts.
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You are focused on yourself when you need, I'm not as good as young Obi-Wan,
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maybe I could do older with one.
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Your thoughts are of jealousy and pride. These are dark thoughts.
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You are serviced. You are focused on yourself when you need to be focused on your service.
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Your outburst in the council was an argument against granting you mastery.
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How can you be a Jedi master when you have not mastered yourself?
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That line stuck with me all week. How can you be a Jedi master when you have not mastered yourself?
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And I think that line hits because Obi-Wan is basically telling him,
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if you want to be great but you
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haven't built the foundation that requires
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greatness so you're just going to keep wanting it and eventually you're going
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to get bitter he's saying you want the title he's saying you want the status
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he's saying you want the recognition but you're not doing the emotional work
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you know you're not you're not implementing self-control you're not showing,
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patience you don't have any inner peace like you're
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skipping the most important step that's why like when people say don't let your
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emotions cloud your judgment that's wrong your emotions are what make you you
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and and not the other person and and so you you should feel your emotions and
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they shouldn't drive your judgment but they play a bitty big role in in what
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your judgment is going to be emotions are like a pack for your body.
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But anyway, the emotional things that roadblock us from getting what we want
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and avoiding inner peace, that's not just a theme in Star Wars.
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That's a theme in life, right?
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Like there are times we all want something. We all want a job.
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We want a relationship. We want a relationship to work out. We want success. We want respect.
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And we want the moment where people finally acknowledge us.
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But if that want
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or or if that need comes from
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a a place of insecurity or desire or
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or ego it doesn't matter what you get or
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how long you've worked at getting what you wanted
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to get you won't know how to hold it
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anakin wants to be a jedi master
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so badly because he thinks it'll fix something that's within him
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and and and in reality
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nothing external can fix a wound that
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we haven't faced internally yet i'm learning that myself right now it's i've
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learned it many times in my life i'm learning it at this point in my life again
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right now i see myself in that you know i want to be the best i want to anyone
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who ever creates something or does stand up or podcast or films,
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whatever you want to be undeniable, right?
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You want to walk into a room and people go, that's there.
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That's the guy. That's, that's who I've been telling you about.
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But I've learned, and I am learning, that being the best isn't something you
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chase outside of yourself. It's something that you build within yourself. For me, I think.
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Because if I approach my goals with this fear of somebody buzzing at my door, one second.
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If i approach my goals from from fear or or comparison to somebody else or jealousy
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or or that desperation of i gotta prove myself i'm basically doing the anakin thing you know i'm i'm,
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arguing and fighting against my own mastery but when i i find when i when i
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slow myself down and and i go okay what am i feeling what am i actually afraid
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of these are meditative techniques,
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what parts of me do i need to make
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stronger what and and and how can i work on me and not just work on a result
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you know not to turn this into a self-help podcast but when comedians aren't
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making you laugh which there's a case to be made i never have this is what they're thinking about,
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But when you do all those things that I just mentioned, the work becomes clearer
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and the performance is clearer and success becomes real and it becomes stable.
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You know, I had everything taken away from me and I blame nobody but myself.
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But I'm not chasing that validation that I was before this separation in the
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tour, which starts back up in January, by the way.
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Actually, I'll be in Toronto November 28th and 29th.
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I'm not choosing i'm not chasing validation i'm living in alignment with those
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with those things that i just laid out so to me the quote isn't obi-wan scolding
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anakin it's obi-wan asking him,
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are you building yourself into someone who can handle what you say you want
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and that's not something we ask ourselves often because we're often longing
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we're often looking away we're often hating the circumstances that we're in
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but we're not necessarily giving ourselves the tools to live in the life that we get thrusted into.
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And that's the lesson there, right? Before you master anything in the outside
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world, you need to master what's going on inside of yourself.
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Giggity, giggity. And I think about that every day, especially in moments lately
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where I felt impatient, overlooked.
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I see many of my colleagues getting jobs that I thought I was right for.
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It's just me anxious to prove something, you know?
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And and the the crazy thing has been that when you begin to focus on yourself the the craft,
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sharpens the discipline strengthens the confidence i would say comes naturally
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but i still don't have any of that but the success follows because of all of
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that and and and it's not because i demanded it that's why people get so burnt
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out and frustrated after a while oh my wonder woman comic is here.
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Absolute Wonder Woman. Yuriko.
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Speaking of mastering myself.
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And success happens because, not because you demanded it, but because you became
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the person who was ready to have it.
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And that's sort of what my thinking was going into this podcast today.
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And what my thinking has been the last couple of weeks.
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And something I just wanted to pass along to my listeners
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of this podcast even though it was a nerd message and
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i apologize but we're gonna go over more of the revenge of the Sith books on
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certain point of view but definitely want to pick this up out there for anybody
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who's a Star Wars fan now to go to my uh before before before that before we
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get into the last thing i do want to say this because i wrote down a few notes
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about this about the snap benefits because.
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You know, I voted for Trump because I voted for the ballroom.
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That's what I really, really wanted. I didn't give a fuck that these people
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were going to be hungry during Thanksgiving.
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It's what a lot of people are saying on TikTok right now, realizing that there
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is a such thing as a digital footprint.
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I sort of typed this thing up with a migraine last night, and I hope I could
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speak as extemporaneously from it as I am reading from it.
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But I just want to set the stage for those of you who don't understand.
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Because of the government shutdown, down there are no federal
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programs in place to give people the food
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stamps essentially snap is something that people apply for i
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think every year so it's not yeah there's people who abuse the
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system there's people who abuse their wives and and we let them into congress
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there's people who abuse their children named dennis hassard you know like there's
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there's there's there those are all choices snap comes from snap is the government's
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way of being like hey we're not gonna fix,
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this horrible system that we created that
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you suffer under but we're gonna give you this to
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alleviate the stresses it's not gonna do much i'm
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not gonna lie to you but you're welcome it's kind
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of like in 2020 when everybody was like stop killing black people and every
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animation show was like you're right black characters should only be voiced
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by black actors and we're like that's we weren't nobody i don't even what if
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you here's how i understand it millions of people just lost there's SNAP benefits, right?
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It's the thing that helps families not only starve, it's the thing that helps families not starve.
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And because you have some impeccably moisturized, out-of-touch,
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weird-named bureaucrats in D.C.
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Who have decided that the budget needed tightening.
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After we build the ballroom, of course. This is him, Washington,
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that can always just miraculously locate the emergency national checkbook.
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You know, like whenever they want to go to a war with a brown country.
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We know where that is. We know where that checkbook is.
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Where did I leave my snap benefits? Ah, I got you next election cycle,
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guys. I got you. Don't worry, red states. Don't worry.
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I know you're going to fall for it again because you're very low educationally
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and you depend on the surplus of money from blue states to get you there.
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But don't worry, we're going to keep you in the same place. you know if hunger
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had a lobbyist maybe we wouldn't have this conversation hunger doesn't,
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golf with senators and that's why they don't care
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about it right now pretty much like that hunger doesn't doesn't
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own a yacht or or or
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throw ten thousand dollar plate fundraisers at
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mar-a-lago or even if
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that wasn't a fundraiser what was the theme great gatsby night a book
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where nothing bad happen to any rich people ever old
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sport hunger sits in this
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fluorescent lit line at 7 30 in the morning holding a number card praying the
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paperwork processed this time that's who hunger is and that's my cell phone
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ringtone that i forgot to put on vibrate hunger is a mother who is,
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deciding what bill she's going to be able to afford to ignore so her kid can
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have something that resembles protein.
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Hunger is, it's an aging grocery store worker with arthritis who still can't
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afford the very groceries that he's bagging. That's who hunger is.
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Hunger voted, by the way. So, and he voted blue. So maybe that doesn't always work out.
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Hunger is not, the people who don't understand that think hunger is a,
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and the people who made this decision are allergic to reality.
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The decision to say, hey, take
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Republicans and Democrats out of it for a second, which you really can't.
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It's a Republican-controlled government, and the Democrats just,
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I don't even know what they are anymore.
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The Democrats right now are the teacher who they can't fire because he has tenure,
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but he masturbates frequently in front of students, and there's just nothing
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he can do about it because, well, at least he doesn't do it in front of the
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black students like the evil teacher with tenure.
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That was a bad reference, but you understand what I'm saying.
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I'm trying to make a point about hunger.
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The people who made the decision to say, hey, maybe snap it.
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And they could have given people snap benefits.
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They have discretionary funds in there for a quote unquote rainy day.
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This is the rainy day, by the way. What are we going to do when there's an actual rainy day?
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Just send Trump down there to do free throws and throw paper towels at Mexicans. Who knows?
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When I say the people who made the decision to cut off benefits are allergic
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to reality, I don't mean it in a witty metaphorical way.
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If reality had a pollen count, these people would be wheezing out of their assholes
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and reaching for an EpiPen like they are living in one of their opioid-ridden
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red states that are addicted to oxy.
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Or, I don't know, a Lifetime movie and Final Destination had a baby and nobody could find the EpiPen.
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I don't know it's a lick it's an increasing level of
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of distress and that's the allergy to
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reality that these people who thought we
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could just wait it out with these benefits have right and
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the funny thing is is they these these motherfuckers
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have the I don't even get angry
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at their hypocrisy anymore because it doesn't work but they have
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the balls to talk about personal responsibility the
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way i talk about the way
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i talk about how my haircut looks you know with denial and delusion because
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that's just the only option i have they they imagine poverty as a choice these
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people right you have to understand that and and and it's a it's a lifestyle
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brand to them poverty Right.
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Like they poverty is a spring collection that comes in in Auburn and forever
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anxiety like they have never stood in a pantry line.
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Not once. They have never had to calculate gas mileage to see whether they can
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make it to work without trying.
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I remember my last three months of my senior high school, we had no lights.
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Their idea of cutting back is switching from imported lavender scented toilet
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paper and not using the bidet as much, I don't know, or a domestically sourced eucalyptus blend.
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And I'm not saying this because I'm on an anti-conservative tirade.
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I say this with love in my voice and a middle finger in my heart.
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Let's be blunt. These cuts are violence.
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That's all they are. You're trying to blame the government for these cuts,
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but I mean, or the Democrats, but it's going to be really hard to say that.
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It's why Cuomo lost the election in New York because he killed way too many New York grandmothers.
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It's going to be very hard for anybody to look at this and say this wasn't anything
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other than bureaucratic violence.
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And it was done with a smile on their face, wearing a suit and tie,
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saying their hands are tied.
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And it's violence. not the kind that
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needs guns because we got plenty of those paperwork will do just fine in this
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case we're starving americans out i mean we've been doing that for years we
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do it to our vets every day the people who are losing their snap benefits aren't
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theoretical case study silhouettes these are these are single mothers who work
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three jobs and and sleep in maybe four minute increments my.
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The people getting snapped are the veterans who saw things that still wake him up screaming at night.
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And now he's being told he needs to prove he's trying hard enough to eat.
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Why don't you try that? Why don't you prove that you're trying hard enough to
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eat foot splints? Oh, looks like you do a good job at that.
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You know, the people whose benefits are being denied is the elderly woman who
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survived everything this country could throw at her just to be betrayed by her own government.
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The cruelest thing about America is how easily it forgets who keeps it running.
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It was supposed to be us. And now what are they going to say? Oh, there's food banks.
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Starting to look like those are running out. There's also hospitals,
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but that doesn't mean you go around breaking people's legs for fun.
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Food banks are already overwhelmed. That is why they are food banks.
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You ever been to a fucking food bank?
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It makes Trader Joe's look like an Ikea.
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They're held together by volunteers, duct tape, and...
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I was going to say God's thin is patience, but if there was one,
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maybe we wouldn't have a food bank to begin with. I don't know.
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We don't need more charity. We need more... We need less cruelty.
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If I were in Congress, I would tell Congress to sit with the people that they're starving with.
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Right? Like, let them explain fiscal responsibility. Tell them to pull them
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up by their bootstraps. Tell them. I really want to see you do that.
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Tell it to a woman whose child has a growling stomach that you can hear two doors down.
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I'd tell them to bring forks. No one's eating with their hands.
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This country seems to think that it's the hero of its own story.
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And I know a lot about superheroes. They don't starve their own people.
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Heroes don't step on the poor and then ask why they look so small.
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Don't say, hey, let them learn how to fish while they're poisoning the river.
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Like, I'm tired. You're tired. Maybe you're thriving. I don't know.
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We're all tired. But hunger is exhausting.
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And if America wants to call itself a superpower, then maybe it can start by
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having the superpower to make people eat or have the resources to.
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Because I believe not a single human being should go
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hungry except maybe the motherfuckers who
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are responsible for getting these benefits taken away you know
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the old saying the revolution won't be televised because it's
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going to be happening in a grocery aisle and the shelves are going to be empty
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and it's important now
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more than ever to have boundless compassion and understanding
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because i don't
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want to i don't want to get all kumbaya and everything about it but like i feel
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that's starting to slip away and then i fear once we do there might not be coming
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any back from it there already might not be coming back from it and that's why
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the election of mom donnie was so inspiring to me because that was done by.
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The people not just young people either
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the ones who always get shit on for not voting i saw so many people who who
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had with gray hairs with mom donnie pins and why why did people love mom donnie
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because he talked about getting things right for the neighborhoods that people
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lived in things New Yorkers cared about.
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New Yorkers don't give a fuck about Donald Trump. New Yorkers don't give a fuck
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about them sending troops to other places.
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We're all just trying, New York, in New York, everybody's trying to survive.
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In the rest of the country, everybody is, wants to live a life.
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And here comes this guy, this kid, one of the youngest officials I've ever seen
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in my entire life, public officials, who comes in and says, hey,
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these things that we want to do are possible, and here's how we make them possible.
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And right now, my number one op is a guy who...
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Just can't stop touching tit. And Cuomo stayed in the race because he really,
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he had, there was a line that Mark Hamill had deleted in the first Star Wars
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movie, but it was, fear is their greatest ally.
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And that was the campaign they tried to run against Mom Donnie.
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It was, hey, this guy is a socialist, he's a communist.
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He's going to take all these things away from you and give them to Rich Crackhead,
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or give them to the people who are the reason why the deodorant's locked up.
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And the people looked at that and said fuck
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you dude that's exactly what you want
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to do with your rich friends and that's going
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to impact our lives way more let's put our money together let's put our resources
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together and actually get somebody in there what might actually make a change
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now here's the other thing god i hope he gets it right i really hope he gets
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it right somebody voted for bernie three times and i've always wanted this i
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hope he puts the right people around him.
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This is seemingly the first normal guy.
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York has ever elected. And I can't wait to see who Eric Adams endorses,
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even though the election was three days ago.
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Anyway, I didn't mean to get it off on a soapbox at the beginning of the pod,
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but I had some ideas that I wanted to just sort of get off my head.
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And the best part about not having a co-host right now is I can just do all
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that. And I'm sure many of you clicked away already.
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Let's talk about Michael Jackson. Right now I'm reading this book.
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It's called You've got michael and it's a it's about a guy who is a marketing
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contact for epic records and then he got to work as a project manager for a
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product manager for michael's history album,
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which michael says he can't listen to couldn't listen to
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back a lot because it was his angriest album because that was the album that
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came out right after the allegations in 93 obviously but okay so the michael
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jackson movie michael as it as it were i'll be honest with you i've hated every
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live action portrayal of Michael Jackson I've ever seen in my life.
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When I was a kid, the first Michael Jackson movie I saw was with Flex Alexander.
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I think it was called Man in the Mirror, the Michael Jackson story.
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And it is, it's so bad that it makes the room look like Dune 2.
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Like, it's a great watch though. If you get a chance, you really should watch it. But it's horrible.
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Then, it's even scary movies sometime. You never, they were gonna do a movie
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a few years ago, with Joseph Fiennes, Marlon Brando, and Elizabeth Taylor driving
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away from Manhattan when 9-11 happened?
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That's a real story. You ever watch the Michael Jackson 30th Anniversary concert
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on YouTube at MSG? That's September 10th, 2001, the day before.
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Obviously. And...
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Saw the michael jackson musical shout out to my adopted sisters sam howard and
00:29:32.548 --> 00:29:36.548
melinda martin they took me for my birthday a few years ago and the thing with
00:29:36.548 --> 00:29:38.788
michael is everybody plays him,
00:29:39.568 --> 00:29:45.768
like he has some kind of disability you know like they play him as if he he
00:29:45.768 --> 00:29:50.788
is this person who has no self-awareness about how the real world works and
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there probably was some degree to that but they don't happen to the genius or the person of who he was.
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And so when people ask me what I thought of the musical, I said I thought it was a great concert.
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Having said that, I was not excited for this movie.
00:30:04.828 --> 00:30:09.868
I'm very protective over Michael. I would have much rathered a Prince movie starring Cat Williams.
00:30:10.408 --> 00:30:15.208
I watched the trailer. I heard him speak. And I said, that's Michael.
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That is 100% michael jackson
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right there and it's his nephew jafar playing him who
00:30:21.608 --> 00:30:26.528
is jermaine's son who i don't know if we know this jermaine and michael had
00:30:26.528 --> 00:30:35.768
a serious beef jermaine ended up leaving jackson 5 in i think 1977 78 to stay
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with hazel gordy who is barry gordy's daughter,
00:30:39.568 --> 00:30:45.528
barry gordy the executive of motown records and out of that jermaine had i want
00:30:45.528 --> 00:30:49.308
to say just one single which was let's get serious that stevie wonder wrote
00:30:49.308 --> 00:30:54.208
most of that part s-e-r-i-o-q-s.
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That's that's stevie wonder the rest of the song is
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still great too he had a diss track to michael which
00:31:00.848 --> 00:31:05.208
was very weird you should look that up when you get a chance jermaine a lot
00:31:05.208 --> 00:31:09.328
of people don't know was the lead singer of the jackson five until one day katherine
00:31:09.328 --> 00:31:14.608
told joe hey come listen to this baby make his bed and I guess at five years
00:31:14.608 --> 00:31:17.748
old that day Joseph went, Jermaine, your ass beating's done.
00:31:18.008 --> 00:31:20.948
Michael, you're up. And,
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I think Michael was a little naive to the fact that how jealous his brothers
00:31:25.433 --> 00:31:27.833
really were of him in his later years in his life.
00:31:28.413 --> 00:31:31.533
He understood it. He understood he's being used and he's being manipulated,
00:31:31.733 --> 00:31:35.033
but Jermaine especially. That's why you watch the Motown 25 special.
00:31:35.793 --> 00:31:40.653
After they do the Jackson 5 medley, he goes, Yeah, I love those songs.
00:31:40.853 --> 00:31:45.893
I love those songs a lot. They have a lot of great memories with all my brothers, including Jermaine.
00:31:46.253 --> 00:31:49.573
A little bit of shade there. And Michael got the last laugh because Jafar's
00:31:49.573 --> 00:31:52.893
playing him. And I don't know how you prep for a role like that.
00:31:53.033 --> 00:31:55.793
I think you have to be a Jackson in order to play a Jackson.
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The amount of people who seem excited about it online is really beautiful to me.
00:32:01.173 --> 00:32:05.493
There seems to be this surgence of Michael Jackson fandomonium out there in the world right now.
00:32:05.613 --> 00:32:11.073
And I love to see it because he is the greatest that there ever was.
00:32:11.193 --> 00:32:15.833
You know how I can back that up? Because everybody will compare him to him by
00:32:15.833 --> 00:32:20.013
every standard, by every metric all the time, always. Some people are born with
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greatness. He was one of them.
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Why I was worried about the movie is because the estate was making the movie.
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And the estate is run by this guy named John Branca, played by Miles Teller in the movie.
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:34.419
Now, John Branca became Michael's lawyer sometime around off the wall.
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And from what I understand, Michael wanted to get that lawyer because he really
00:32:39.379 --> 00:32:44.259
wanted to show to his brothers and to his dad that he was really solo and he was really about it now.
00:32:44.679 --> 00:32:49.099
And John was like, I got you. Even to the point where one day Randy took a meeting
00:32:49.099 --> 00:32:51.399
with John Branca and Michael was like, he took a meeting with you?
00:32:51.859 --> 00:32:54.759
And he's like, yeah, you got a problem with that? And Mike goes,
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no, listen, if you want to represent him, you can just delete my number.
00:32:58.979 --> 00:33:03.499
And Randy, John was like, understood. Randy is not making any off the walls.
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John Branca is responsible for a lot of great things that Michael came across
00:33:09.139 --> 00:33:12.099
in his life. But also Michael was a very astute businessman.
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One of the big things being the Beatles catalog, which a lot of people know
00:33:16.219 --> 00:33:18.439
the story of John Paul McCartney,
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who wrote girlfriend on off the wall girlfriend i'm gonna show your boyfriend.
00:33:29.099 --> 00:33:33.659
Michael and him were sitting in the studio one day paul tells michael oh michael
00:33:33.659 --> 00:33:36.959
you know you want to make your money in music you know you got you got to own
00:33:36.959 --> 00:33:41.059
your masters you got to do something like that michael goes oh pa if you're
00:33:41.059 --> 00:33:45.399
not careful i'm gonna buy from you the royalty is mine.
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And then Michael and Paul never talked to each other again after that.
00:33:50.095 --> 00:33:52.575
And the estate has fucked up left and right. When Michael died,
00:33:52.675 --> 00:33:56.775
they put out a posthumous album called Michael with this impersonator called Jason Malachi.
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And I think like seven out of the ten songs were with Jason.
00:34:00.675 --> 00:34:03.155
You look at the Michael Jackson estate versus the Prince estate,
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and the Prince estate kills it. They are keeping us fed.
00:34:05.555 --> 00:34:08.715
The Michael estate just loves, please, I want some more.
00:34:08.895 --> 00:34:13.895
I would love another album that's not just a Halloween mix or L.A.
00:34:13.935 --> 00:34:17.155
Reading Timbaland doing all these outtakes from History and Invincible.
00:34:17.355 --> 00:34:20.755
We can't have that. Fuck it. The popularity of Michael Jackson is highest than
00:34:20.755 --> 00:34:24.275
it's ever been in the last 10 years, but we don't need to give anybody a 4K
00:34:24.275 --> 00:34:27.275
video concert release, and I know y'all motherfuckers are sitting on it.
00:34:27.875 --> 00:34:30.155
But I digress. I did not have a lot of faith in this movie.
00:34:30.895 --> 00:34:35.195
After seeing Jafar, I had faith in the performance. What I didn't have a lot
00:34:35.195 --> 00:34:39.395
of faith in was the story, because I heard it was going to be done after the 80s, the bad tour.
00:34:39.915 --> 00:34:43.195
That concerns me for a lot of reasons. I didn't want this movie to be whitewashed.
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I didn't want this movie to look like a biased attempt to make Michael look innocent.
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I discovered that the reason why this movie is being separated into two parts is because in 93,
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the allegations against Michael were made against him for inappropriate contact
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with a kid by this kid, Jordan Chandler, who in reality, it was his father,
00:35:04.395 --> 00:35:08.575
Evan Chandler, who shot himself three months after Michael died and Evan's ex-wife, June.
00:35:09.936 --> 00:35:13.036
And Michael was represented by Johnny Cochran at the time.
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And Johnny told Michael, we're going to take this to trial. And Michael's like,
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can we win? And Johnny's like, I can't guarantee you that.
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So Michael settled with them. Not a great look.
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One of the key things in the settlement was if there's ever a dramatization
00:35:28.076 --> 00:35:32.316
about Michael Jackson's life, they could not include that part in the movie.
00:35:32.516 --> 00:35:36.356
And apparently John Branca forgot to tell that to Anton Fuqua.
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And that was a big part of the movie. So now I believe what's going to happen
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is they're going to separate it into two parts. It's going to be done when the bad tour is over.
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That's 126 shows. It's going to be done when the bad tour is over.
00:35:48.676 --> 00:35:53.516
And then it's going to pick up with him and Janet sitting on the bed in the
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hotel room writing the lyrics to Scream.
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That's what I think. I can't prove it. I just know a lot more about this than you do.
00:36:00.636 --> 00:36:04.116
And I hope they go into the 2000s trial. If you want to read a good book about
00:36:04.116 --> 00:36:07.196
the 2000s trial, it's about this great investigative reporter.
00:36:07.196 --> 00:36:09.936
She did a interview with michael peterson a while
00:36:09.936 --> 00:36:13.016
back that's how i found out about her that's the staircase guy it's called
00:36:13.016 --> 00:36:15.696
the michael jackson conspiracy read that this year
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phenomenal highly recommend but you guys asked me some questions about the
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michael movie so i would love to answer what you had to ask me honest thoughts
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on the mj pedo stuff not trying to be a dick i'm just genuinely curious i've
00:36:28.476 --> 00:36:31.556
been asked this before listen if i thought michael jackson was a pedophile do
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you think i would support him no i'm not a trump supporter i've done my research my friends.
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I just finished this this book fuck what was it called michael jackson the fbi
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found nothing which is about 13 year investigation of them looking him being
00:36:47.876 --> 00:36:52.096
in neverland and here's the thing you gotta understand about the fbi if they
00:36:52.096 --> 00:36:54.176
want a black guy they don't get a black guy.
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They found nothing. Why? Because there was nothing. You look at both of the
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extortion attempts against him. Both of them had to do with money.
00:37:01.321 --> 00:37:04.701
There is an audio of Evan Chandler saying, if I go through with this,
00:37:04.801 --> 00:37:06.941
I'll never have to work a day in my life. I will be set.
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Not for nothing, too. Also, that's the first allegation, the one in the 90s.
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If someone did that to my kid, I don't want $25 million.
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I want to see that person dead or in jail. The second time around was Gavin
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Arvizo, who was a cancer patient, inner city kid whose mother had all kinds of problems,
00:37:27.321 --> 00:37:31.461
banned from Sears for making up false rape allegations, hit up George Lopez
00:37:31.461 --> 00:37:33.761
for money, hit up Chris Tucker for money, hit up Jay Leno for money,
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did this documentary with Michael called Living with Michael Jackson, Martin Bashir.
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Should have told Michael, hey, don't hold that kid's hand. I understand why they were.
00:37:44.070 --> 00:37:47.950
Because Michael quite literally saved Gavin's life. Gavin was dying of cancer.
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Michael paid for the treatment.
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Gavin got to get married and listen to the way he made me feel at the fucking wedding dance.
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If I ever saw Gavin Arvizo on the streets, I wouldn't do anything because this
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is a podcast and that might constitute as a threat.
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But no, I don't. I think, I don't even think that he has the mind of a 12-year-old
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the way most people insist.
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I think that he's distrusting or was distrusting of everybody in his life and
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the only people he thought that he could be truthful and honest around were children.
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And I'm not saying that I don't fault him for certain things.
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After the first allegations, I probably would have never slept in a room with a kid ever again.
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You can make the argument that that goes to show you he didn't see a problem
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with it because he just thought he was being nurturing.
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I think he needed better people around him who loved him and cared about him
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and didn't just want to print checks.
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But I could talk about this for three hours, but full stop, no.
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Epstein tried to recruit him. He wouldn't join their little party.
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That's why they killed him. I'm not making it up. Google it.
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I don't want to get flagged.
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When did your love for Michael Jackson just begin? I was 10 years old,
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coming back from karate tournament it with my father and my friend Josh Rinaldi.
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And Josh was listening to a song called Fat by Weird Al.
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And I didn't really understand the concept of parody, but I thought it was the
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funniest thing in the world.
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And my dad said, if you want to
00:39:09.010 --> 00:39:12.190
know why this is funny, go home and watch Michael Jackson's Bad. So I did.
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10 years old in my life got separated into two chapters. I started wearing tape on my fingers.
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I listened to anything of his I could get my hands on. My father hated that
00:39:23.609 --> 00:39:25.429
I got so into it, and it's his fault.
00:39:25.689 --> 00:39:31.409
My uncle was a huge fan, and that finally let me have somebody to talk about
00:39:31.409 --> 00:39:35.509
similar interests and things that I loved and not feel ashamed about.
00:39:35.669 --> 00:39:38.569
But he also got made a smoke crack so you know
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it's a win loose but my passion
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for michael jackson remains now because his story resonates with me very deeply
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i think the best he said the best education is watching the masters at work
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and i'm not gonna sit here and say i don't have an obsession because i'm absolutely
00:39:58.889 --> 00:40:01.709
obsessed but it's more of an infatuation and it's more of a,
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for someone who I consider to be the greatest artist or my palate.
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What's that one thing they were in? What Love on Hell asked,
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what is the one thing the movie they better fucking have right?
00:40:17.182 --> 00:40:18.342
That is a great question.
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Man, because there's so much thing. You know what it really what they got to do?
00:40:24.022 --> 00:40:31.262
They really, really, really have to go into his drug addiction the right way,
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because it's always played up as exhaustion or he's hiding from something.
00:40:35.742 --> 00:40:38.362
You know, you have to under... There's a video online. If you watch Michael
00:40:38.362 --> 00:40:43.042
Jackson and Friends 1999, there's this giant stage thing that comes down and
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it wasn't supposed to come down and it broke his back.
00:40:45.482 --> 00:40:48.082
On top of that, he was burned horribly by Pepsi in 83.
00:40:48.462 --> 00:40:52.342
A man had a very bad addiction to prescription drugs. He also...
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I think they really have to show, and the estate won't because they're cowards, this is it killed him.
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Like, he was supposed to do 10 shows. and he weighed less than 125 pounds at
00:41:03.222 --> 00:41:07.182
5'9". They had to bring in Lou Ferrigno to get him trained and then they let
00:41:07.182 --> 00:41:09.102
him hire a doctor to give him something
00:41:09.102 --> 00:41:11.522
to wake him up every morning and something to get him down at night.
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I can't even watch This Is It because I'm just watching a zombie and it breaks my heart,
00:41:17.982 --> 00:41:21.042
and if they are going to do this the right way, they
00:41:21.042 --> 00:41:24.362
need to portray how responsible
00:41:24.362 --> 00:41:27.802
they are for parading around a shell
00:41:27.802 --> 00:41:34.242
of a man who was only doing that tour to prove to his kids who he was and also
00:41:34.242 --> 00:41:37.702
explore the drug addiction in my opinion that's one thing i would really like
00:41:37.702 --> 00:41:42.262
to see get written what am i looking forward to most about the movie i'm honestly
00:41:42.262 --> 00:41:47.282
just so happy about the excitement people have around it as the michael jackson kid.
00:41:48.629 --> 00:41:51.429
Cool to see so many people interested in something you're interested in.
00:41:51.689 --> 00:41:56.209
Other than Mike not being with us, what's the hardest part about being his protege?
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That's not me, so I couldn't tell you. Who is playing Macaulay Culkin? I think Glenn Powell.
00:42:03.729 --> 00:42:07.089
Why is Michael Jackson the greatest of all time? God.
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What makes somebody great? Someone who
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did something that nobody else
00:42:13.829 --> 00:42:18.169
did and then that became the standard and everyone else tried to do that as
00:42:18.169 --> 00:42:23.049
a result shelf life if kids who were three years old weren't even on the same
00:42:23.049 --> 00:42:26.829
earth as michael jackson that know all of his steps right now he was he was
00:42:26.829 --> 00:42:33.029
the pop star he was the superstar he was the humanitarian he was he he was,
00:42:33.729 --> 00:42:39.389
probably the most abused person by the tabloid media all he ever wanted to do
00:42:39.389 --> 00:42:42.549
was feel the love that he was trying to heal the world with.
00:42:43.992 --> 00:42:46.672
A million other things that i could rattle off but i think i like
00:42:46.672 --> 00:42:49.692
my politician answer there do you ever feel weird about talking
00:42:49.692 --> 00:42:53.172
about your personal life on the podcast or is it kind of nice to brother i'm
00:42:53.172 --> 00:42:57.992
a stand-up comedian i don't have any secrets out there why don't i upload the
00:42:57.992 --> 00:43:01.372
pod on spotify anymore i didn't know it wasn't on spotify i will get this figured
00:43:01.372 --> 00:43:05.892
out immediately i'm very sorry about that will we ever be getting in a sequel
00:43:05.892 --> 00:43:07.592
to escape the vault is loaded.
00:43:08.672 --> 00:43:11.772
I hate to tell you this but it's very likely that any upcoming michael
00:43:11.772 --> 00:43:14.552
jackson album we get will be ai isn't it
00:43:14.552 --> 00:43:17.852
funny how the hatchet job documentary is now a memory of mj
00:43:17.852 --> 00:43:20.632
and and still remains if you mean the martin bashear one
00:43:20.632 --> 00:43:23.472
yeah i think that's hilarious and it's it also is
00:43:23.472 --> 00:43:26.212
gonna i can't wait to see that part in the movie do you
00:43:26.212 --> 00:43:33.112
think oh i thought my phone died it's going to oh shit my top 25 michael jackson
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songs okay on the line stranger in moscow dangerous i can't help it working
00:43:40.332 --> 00:43:46.172
day and night shout earth song will you be there it's the falling in love,
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given to me keep the faith that's 11
00:43:49.952 --> 00:43:52.912
i just can't stop loving you want to
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be starting something pyt baby be mine
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farewell my summer love remember the
00:43:59.332 --> 00:44:06.812
time black or white bad dirty diana that's 25 more shit okay okay okay okay
00:44:06.812 --> 00:44:14.052
okay okay top five okay i know what one is gonna be number five is i gotta go
00:44:14.052 --> 00:44:18.412
with blood on the dance floor number four in the closet number three.
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Number three i'm gonna say.
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Oh man unbreakable number two you were not alone,
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number one smile without a doubt if I were the director of the movie how would
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I begin it and how would I end it you begin it the night.
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Night before the first leg of the first show of the bad tour because that's
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the first time he's touring with his brothers without his brothers and you see
00:44:54.030 --> 00:44:57.830
him just cool calm and collected he's got on the black jacket the silver shirt
00:44:57.830 --> 00:44:59.330
he's just walking through he's got his hair,
00:45:00.090 --> 00:45:05.450
and then you just hear the boom movie starts right there how i would end it
00:45:05.450 --> 00:45:09.550
we're going to talk about his whole life with him performing earth song at the
00:45:09.550 --> 00:45:13.290
staples center in los angeles telling everybody he loves them to go home,
00:45:13.990 --> 00:45:19.330
but they never hear him or see him again what does Michael Jackson mean to me?
00:45:19.650 --> 00:45:23.270
He's my idol, he's my hero he's somebody whose work ethic I've always,
00:45:24.270 --> 00:45:30.490
done my best to emulate he's the greatest entertainer that's ever lived he's a perfectionist,
00:45:31.190 --> 00:45:36.330
he's a slave to his own work and it's so great because of that devotion and
00:45:36.330 --> 00:45:41.550
his love for the world and for people and for kindness.
00:45:42.750 --> 00:45:46.350
Michael's been there for me a lot of times in my life where nobody else was
00:45:46.350 --> 00:45:50.730
and it's very surreal to have such a connection with somebody that you've never met before.
00:45:51.590 --> 00:45:56.470
What has Michael Jackson taught you about writing? That's a very interesting question.
00:45:57.110 --> 00:46:01.750
That just because it's personal to you doesn't mean somebody else isn't going through it as well.
00:46:01.870 --> 00:46:05.050
I've never been to Moscow but the last two months I've been walking around listening
00:46:05.050 --> 00:46:08.490
to Stranger in Moscow feeling exactly how he felt in that song.
00:46:09.630 --> 00:46:13.090
Which song has the best choreography? Dangerous Live. That's the best one.
00:46:13.910 --> 00:46:18.770
A non-negotiable aspect of Michael's life that you think should not be omitted from the film?
00:46:20.335 --> 00:46:25.055
The Dangerous Tour in 93 and because that plays a huge, it's tragic and it's
00:46:25.055 --> 00:46:28.375
hard for a lot of fans to watch, but his comeback and what he did with history,
00:46:29.355 --> 00:46:32.095
is that whole be the hero of your own story thing.
00:46:32.315 --> 00:46:34.415
I think everybody needs to be
00:46:34.415 --> 00:46:36.655
inspired by it because if it could happen to him, it could happen to you.
00:46:37.055 --> 00:46:39.775
That's why this time around is one of my all-time favorites as well.
00:46:40.935 --> 00:46:44.355
Do you think it might touch Joe Jackson's abuse in the Tour of Michael? Absolutely.
00:46:45.215 --> 00:46:49.915
And I think Coleman Domingo is going to play an amazing job at it. Why aren't I starting?
00:46:50.575 --> 00:46:54.395
Because they didn't, they wanted somebody good. What was that song that you
00:46:54.395 --> 00:46:57.475
most connected to, to Michael, that started my love for him?
00:46:57.995 --> 00:47:01.695
Well, the first song I ever heard of his was Dirty Diana, and I thought he was
00:47:01.695 --> 00:47:06.295
saying, I said no, and then I told you the first video I ever watched was bad,
00:47:06.455 --> 00:47:10.575
but the song that I connect with the most, there's two, and it's honestly tied
00:47:10.575 --> 00:47:12.055
for first place, but Will You Be There,
00:47:12.595 --> 00:47:18.135
very much speaks to me, a song about wanting to be embraced and loved and.
00:47:20.291 --> 00:47:23.751
You're being pulled in all these different directions by the world but you still
00:47:23.751 --> 00:47:29.631
have the sense of duty you're just not sure if you even have it in you to fulfill that duty anymore.
00:47:30.251 --> 00:47:33.571
And that's why i love smile even though it's charlie chaplin song smile
00:47:33.571 --> 00:47:36.411
though your heart is aching i listen
00:47:36.411 --> 00:47:39.211
to that probably once a day that's probably the most important song
00:47:39.211 --> 00:47:41.871
in my life because and what i do for a
00:47:41.871 --> 00:47:44.531
living that's what i gotta do not to say i'm a
00:47:44.531 --> 00:47:48.811
sad clown but light up your face with gladness hide
00:47:48.811 --> 00:47:51.631
every trace of sadness for a man who
00:47:51.631 --> 00:47:54.391
had every piece of sadness ever thrown at him
00:47:54.391 --> 00:47:57.991
in his life he brought me so much joy and
00:47:57.991 --> 00:48:02.031
my biggest regret in life is i'll never be able to thank him for it but i will
00:48:02.031 --> 00:48:09.711
always honor and celebrate educate and most importantly enjoy what he left behind
00:48:09.711 --> 00:48:14.091
for all of us let's be honest after i kick the bucket ain't Nobody going to
00:48:14.091 --> 00:48:15.111
be listening to this podcast.
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But I think that will do it for us today on Bonding.
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Messaging was kind of all over the place. Come see me live in Toronto on November
00:48:24.851 --> 00:48:29.911
28th and 29th at the, I forgot to write it down, but the link is in the description below.
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If you're listening to this on Friday, November 7th, I am performing tonight
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at Broadway Comedy Club. We've got a few more tickets left for that.
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And I will be Atlanta Punchline in January 8th, 9th, and 10th,
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or 9th, 10th, and 11th. One of the two. Check out my website.
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Until next week, as a wise man once said, how can you be a Jedi master when
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you have not mastered yourself? Hello there.
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It's.