Ep. 293 - Monster Law!

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Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys
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It five star and me greatest quesh today and listening
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watching lim always keep it's watching and now your hosts
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Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay. Hey, everybody, it's Cliff
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from this podcast that you happen to be listening to
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right now, Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo and
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Matt and whoever else is around. However, today I am
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the only person around, So it's basically Bigfoot to Beyond
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with Cliff and Cliff and Cliff and a guess, but
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the other characters aren't here right now. Matt Pruitt is
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in Hawaii with his lovely and telliged wife Emily, and
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they're cruising around doing their thing, vacationing. Everybody deserves vacation,
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even that bigfooters like Matt Pruitt every once in a while.
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And of course Bobo, who was gonna be here? I
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really shot myself in the foot, but in a good
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way for this one.
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Yeah.
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Okay, so you're out there thinking, okay, Bobo's not here again,
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what's up with that? Well, What's up with that is
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that there was a sighting about thirty or forty minutes
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from his house the night before last, and so Bobo
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was in La visiting his parents. I called some people around,
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I left a message with Bobo. He got back to
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me yesterday and said, dude, I want to go check
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it out, and so I gave him the contact information.
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Turns out being, you know, Humboldt County. Bobo kind of
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knew the guy because Bobo knows pretty much everybody in
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northern California, in that northwest corner of California at least,
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So he and the witness, we're going to go to
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the location up there by Big Lagoon if everybody know,
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if anybody knows where that is up there on the
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coast of California. So Bobo and the witness, we're going
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to go up there and look around in the exact
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same spot where the thing was standing just two nights ago.
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So hopefully Bobo will uncover some foot prints, maybe some hair,
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god knows what. But we look forward to Bobo coming
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back and telling us about what he found. So, yeah,
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he was going to go after work, but he said, Cliff,
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I'm going to go after work today. It's like, whoa,
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I haven't heard you say that for many times because
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his employment has always been odd and sketchy and like
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spotty and stuff, you know, working on fishing boats and
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you never know when he's coming back and that kind
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of thing. So now that he has a steady gig,
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it's like a brand new Bobo, a brand new Bobo.
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But anyway, yeah, so that's been going on. This is
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when I'd normally tell Bobo about going to the woods
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and all that sort of stuff, and he's not here,
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so I'll tell you, yeah, I went to the woods.
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Have been the woods three times in the last like
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six days, seven days, I think, found mostly nothing, But
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yesterday one showed up. In this kind of far flung
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corner of Mountain Hood National Forests that I've been trying
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to get to as much as possible before the snow's
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set in, I found a trackway, kind of interesting little
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footprint there. I cast. It turned out okay, the footprints
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the photographs actually look better. But anyway, just more data
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points and trying to build a picture of what these
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critters are up to out there, because nobody really knows
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very much. All these self proclaimed experts perhaps maybe experts
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in the subject, but not certainly not experts in the animal.
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We don't know what the hell's going on at these things.
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And the more I study these animals, the more I
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realize I know so much less than I thought I
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did just ten years ago, five years ago. But anyway,
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so today we have a guest, and this gentleman has
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written a book that we just got in stock at
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the North American big Foot Center, that little shop that
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I run down there in Boring, Oregon. And so when
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I started thumbing through this new book, I said, oh,
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this is pretty cool. Actually, a lot of people ask
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about this subject. A lot of people have a lot
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of questions about when did this happen or that happen.
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And I said, oh, well, this is a great opportunity
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to get this book in people's hands. And the book
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is called Monster Law, and the author is Francisco are Bends,
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and he is here with us now right now. Hey, Francisco,
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how you doing man?
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Hi Cliff, good, how are you?
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I'm doing great. I'm doing great. I'm so thankful that
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someone besides me could show up to the podcast today.
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Yeah, honestly, I still can't believe I'm here. I'm a
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longtime listener and first time invitee, so it's it's a
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real privilege.
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Oh no kidding, I didn't.
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Yeah, I didn't.
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I didn't know you listened as well.
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That's cool.
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Well, I'm glad you could make it on. I think
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you have a nifty little book here. And when I
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say little, I don't mean that demeaning. I'm just saying that, like,
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you know, what is it? I'm looking have it in
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my hands. It's forty five pages long. So this is
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a cause something you can just sit down and devour
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pretty quickly. And you know, it's that time of year,
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so it might be a good stalking stuffer, especially if
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you have a big foot size stalking over your your
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fireplace there. Yeah, it's a cool little book. I'm glad
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somebody did it. Now, how did you come about to
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writing this thing? Because Bigfoot Monster Law rather is about
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all the well many of the various laws and ordinances
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and all that sort of stuff protecting monsters of various sorts,
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bigfoot included. How did you decide to put this together?
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So, as far as I can remember, I've always had
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an interest in cryptozoology the supernatural more broadly, but I
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grew up watching you know, Monster Quest lost tapes on
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Animal Planet. I think I caught a finding Bigfoot in
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its final season, so I unfortunately wasn't able to really
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get into it from the beginning. But it kind of
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like my interest in this, like Waxed and Wayne, that
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didn't really interfere with my with my field of study
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until the second year in my law school my law
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school career. There I was working on some really boring
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project and while I was sifting through this book, I
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came across the resolution passed by the New York State
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Assembly I think it was in nineteen eighty three protecting
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champ the lake monster in Champlain. And after reading that,
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I thought, wait, this isn't the first one I've encountered.
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I think I recall Scamania County having its own ordinance
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protecting sasquatch. So then that got me down a rabbit hole,
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like how many laws are out there that protect not
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just sasquatches but also lake monsters. And I just started
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looking and I compiled him into this book.
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Oh that's pretty cool. And so you have a law background,
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you went to law school, did you ever take your
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juris doctorate? I don't even know what's at the end
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of the line for that kind of folks. Are you
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working law now, right?
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Yes? I do. I actually graduated earlier this year.
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Oh really, congratulations on that.
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Yeah, thank you. After you're done with university, you pursue
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if you're studying law, you apply to law school, you
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get your juris doctor, and then after that you take
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the bar exam. And that was a very that was
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a terrifying experience. I've never really known someone who went
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to law school. I couldn't really get that encouragement. So
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then I thought, Wow, if only there was someone out
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there who was really into Bigfoot and also went to
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law school. And then on roughly about a week before
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I took the bar exam, I remembered Matt Moneymaker. He
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did go to law school, he has a juris doctor
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and he's the founder of the BFRs. So who better
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to ask than Matt Moneymaker? So I had no idea,
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But he actually has a cameo. So I went through it.
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I submitted a request and he was very professional, very encouraging. Yeah,
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he was very awesome. And with Matt's words ringing in
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my ear, I sat down for the new York State
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Bar Exam and I passed in Yeah. I took it
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in July. Received the news that I passed in October.
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Yeah, fantastic, Kim. Matt never actually took the bar. He
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wanted to learn the rules, and I think it really
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have served him, has served him way well. You know,
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with especially intellectual property rights and all that sort of
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stuff that you often run One often runs across issues
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with that in bigfoot land. You know about cast reproduction
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or photographs or footage rights and usage and all that
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sort of stuff. So I think Matt's background in law
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and especially the arguing side of things, you know, how
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to argue things down in a courtroom. I think all
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that has served Matt very very well in his probably
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the most like the most opposite thing, right, the most
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opposite you'd think a criminal being opposite thing, but like
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Matt has a stock to it. But yet he looks
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for Bigfoot for a living. Yeah, it's like you never
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know where you're going to end up, I suppose.
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Yeah, I think. I think I recall an episode of
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Finding Bigfoot where Matt was saying that he chose his
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law school based off of the Bigfoot reports in the area.
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So I wish I had that that foresight to choose
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such a law school.
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Well it's not too late. I mean, I chose my
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address based on citing reports. I assume most bigfooters do that.
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I don't know within a few miles of many many reports.
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I don't know.
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I live in a very weird world. Why I assume
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that's normal, But maybe it's not. Maybe it's not. But
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so getting into your book, and I just love this book.
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I just love the book. It's it's it's not a
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heavy read, like say, you know, a legal text would be,
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because they legal anything. It's just like, boy, you guys
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make it really hard to understand anything. But you certainly
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didn't write this book that way. It's it's just again
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a page or two or three kind of a little
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bit of background for the law, kind of a little
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bit about the cryptid in general if people didn't know
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what it was, you know, and then the law itself.
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And there's a lot of these and I think it's
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appropriated of course that you basically started off. I mean,
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they're past the introduction and stuff with the Scamania County
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law because that's what most people know of as far
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as laws on the books protecting sasquatches. It always starts
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with Scamania County, Washington, which is right, of course, of course,
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right across the Columbia River from where I am. But
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you know, before we before we jumps into specifics and backgrounds,
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I did run into some legal language here, and I'll
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probably be interrupting at various times for clarification. But the
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first thing I jumped into when when I started taking
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notes for this interview is laws versus ordinances. What's the difference?
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So, I think the biggest difference is that they're both
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passed by legislative bodies. But the biggest difference is that
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an ordinance is it's enforceable, it gets permanent until it
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is repealed. Well, when compared to a resolution, it's more
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of a statement of belief or an official position taken
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by a legislative body, and it's not really as powerful
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as an ordinance. And so Skamania County actually has an ordinance,
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so it's enforceable. It's more than a symbolic gesture.
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Okay, So laws are ordinances, and then resolutions that will
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get too late and proclamations those are just you know,
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like pr things or something. Is that kind of the
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idea sort of.
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They they're official, they they're passed by legislative bodies, but
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they're not the biggest difference is that they don't really
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they're not enforceable. There's nothing like if like, they don't
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have an enforcement mechanism built into them, whereas an ordinance
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absolutely does. Like Skamania Counties, like if you were to
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heart to hurt a bigfoot with malice a forethought, then
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that would be like a thousand dollars fine, a year imprisonment,
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and that's that's pretty enforceable.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely is. And of course, okay, well let's
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talk about that Scamania County law because it is by
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far the most famous by far. Right, Now, are you
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are you aware of some of the events that led
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up to this law or is it just the law thing?
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Like how deep did you dive on this one?
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So I was able to uncover an interview done by
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one of the county commissioners and his name was Conrad Lundy,
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and one of the things that he cited as motivating
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the county commissioners to pass this ordinance was public safety. Apparently,
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people were going into Scamania County with rifles and trying
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to hunt the Sasquatch, and he really feared that if
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anyone like someone could get hurt, you know, so he thought, well,
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it's better to pass this law just as a deterrence
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from having so many people coming into this area with
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high powered rifles and potentially having a fatality. And I
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think the fact that the Patterson Gimlin film was shot
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just I think two or three years prior to this
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ordinance being passed, I think that also had a lot
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to do with this.
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Well. Yeah, of course there was a rash of sightings
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and footprint finds as well in the area. And if
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you go way back to the beginning of this podcast
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here Bigfoot and Beyond, I sat down with one of
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the witnesses that was involved in those early events. Her
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name was Linda Durrell. So this is a great opportunity
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for Matt Prout to put that link in the show
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notes if everybody wants to go check it out. And
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she called in, of course, the deputy sheriff Bill Klausner,
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who's still alive, by the way, I have a line
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on him. I'm trying to work with him on perhaps
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some lending some artifacts to my museum. So hopefully we
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can get some of those lined up here soon. I'll
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shore with everybody if that happens. But yeah, a whole
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rash of sightings and footprint finds were happening just north
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of Carson, Washington, out there on Bear Creek and Panther
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Creek and stuff in that area, and sound like people
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like you said, were going out into the woods with
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high powered rivals going to bag me a big foot
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sort of thing. And on April first, and I think
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they chose that date on purpose, by the way, April
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Fool's Day, April first, nineteen sixty nine, they passed this
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law making it illegal to try to or to kill
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sasquatches ten thousand dollars fine. And of course back in
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nineteen sixty nine, that was a giant chunk of change.
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Yeah, and five years in imprisonment in the county.
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Jail and five not and or in one of those
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oh yeah, and or okay, what's stille. You know, let's
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throw the book at him if they do that. And
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of course, like you said, it was kind of for
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public safety, because you know, people shooting at bipedal shape
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things in the woods probably isn't a good idea.
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Yeah, And in nineteen eighty four. They did amend it
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just a little bit. They reduced the ten thousand dollars
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penalty to one thousand to five year imprisonment to one
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And I think an interesting thing they did was they
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got rid of the diminished capacity defense and what that
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is like, you can't really plead ignorance if you were
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to find yourself at the mercy of this law. So
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I thought that was pretty interesting.
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Oh really, so some somebody like I didn't know it
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was illegal. I thought ignorance of the law wasn't a
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good excuse.
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Well, another thing that the minished capacity could mean is that,
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like you, it's a defense that people often bring up
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when they say, well, I didn't know that my consequences,
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that my actions were going to bring about this consequence,
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And it's a valid defense depending on the on the offense,
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but not in this case. The county commissioners. Even though
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they lowered the penalty, they lowered the imprisonment duration, they
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upped the they upped the stakes in that sense.
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Oh that's interesting, that's really interesting. Stay tuned for more
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Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo will be right
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back after these messages, and of course this public safety
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aspect is super important because you know, somebody, anybody out
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there trying to kill a sasquatch. It turns out humans
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look a like an awful lot like sasquatches, especially in
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the dark at a distance, and god forbid one of
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these people are puts on a monkey suit for a hoax.
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The number of people have been killed over the years, none,
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none by bullets or anything that we know of, at least,
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but some guy in Montana got rolled by a couple
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of cars just a handful of years ago by doing
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a big foot hoax running across the road in a
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gilly suit of some sort. And so back in sixty
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nine and seventy, when all the hooplaw was happening there
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in Thiscamania County about these prints that were cast by
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the sheriffs and all this other stuff, I imagine some you know,
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jokers were probably out there in monkey suits. And you know,
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it may before this law, it may or may not
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have been illegal to kill a sasquatch in Scamedia County.
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But I'm pretty sure it's always been illegal to kill
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a jackass in a monkey suit.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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You know, one of the changes that happened in nineteen
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eighty four. To this law is that okay, became a misdemeanor, right,
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instead of a felony. I suppose, But some of the
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language that I encountered here I don't understand. Perhaps you can,
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I know, you can clarify it for me. What is
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a gross misdemeanor versus a simple misdemeanor?
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So a gross misdemeanor is one that is done at
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least this might depend on their jurisdiction's definition as opposed
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to here in New York. But my understanding is that
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a gross misdemeanor is one that is done with premeditation,
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like with like you fully intended on doing this.
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Okay, So moving to a different part of Washington. Washington
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seems to be very very ahead of the game, by
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the way, and some in a lot of this bigfoot
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loss stuff. To a different part of Washington, we have
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Watcom County, and over there we have a resolution. A
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resolution is just kind of like we're all behind this,
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but we don't have teeth, as you said earlier. But
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tell me about their resolution.
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Yeah, it's basically a symbolic resolution. It's not there are
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there are no enforcement mechanisms behind it. They they've basically
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followed followed in the footsteps of Scamania County shortly after
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they passed theirs.
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It's kind of like, Okay, you can't hunt them here,
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or will frown upon you heavily.
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Yeah, pretty much.
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Yeah, well I'm not afraid of being frowned upon. But
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still I think it's a good idea for the thing
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and really looking at what's what has happened to Scamedia County,
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little old Scamania County. There's not a lot of people
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living there. I love Scamedia County, love going to Stevenson,
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I'll think, But I'm a bigfooter with you know, this
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law kind of put Scamania County on the books for
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a lot of people who probably never even heard of
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the place. And I bet you wotcam County kind of
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was interested in that too. That's just my gut feeling
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on this.
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Yeah, while I was doing some research on Welcome County,
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I had no idea that they were actually the world's
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largest producer of red raspberries. I think they have that
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going for them as.
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Well, right, right, So if you're not a raspberry nerd,
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then perhaps you know, the big foot nerd thing will
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take it you know can help you out there too
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by putting walkcom County on the map for you. Do
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you have any idea, because you know the Comedia County stuff,
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there is a rash of sidings and the Sheriff's for
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casting footprints and all this other stuff. Do you have
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any idea what led to the Walkame County resolution or
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is it just like, hey, they're getting all this attention
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and like we're kind of you know, the middle child here,
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you know, with the jan Brady of the group here,
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maybe we want a little bit more that attention. Do
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you know what led to this or is it just
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a thing where they wanted some more eyes on them
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income dollars.
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I'm pretty sure it was a more of a publicity thing.
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I don't think anything to groundbreaking was going on SaaS
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squatch wise.
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Okay, yeah, well that's what I kind of assumed as well,
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because I haven't read any of the history behind it.
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And of course, is somebody up in Walkham County wants
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to correct me, My God, send us an email. I
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want to learn, so absolutely do that to us. Well, now,
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of course, now the next thing on my list here
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is the proclamation in grays Harper County, Washington another place
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in Washington. And how does a proclamation differ from a
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resolution because neither one has teeth.
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Honestly, there aren't that many differences. Both of them are
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a legislative body taking an official position on a given subject.
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But as you said, they don't really have the same
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amount of teeth. I guess that an ordinance would have.
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Well, now, of course, the Grays Harbor one, we know
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a lot about that here on Bigfoot and Beyond because
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we actually had the teacher that kind of pushed us forward,
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Miss Andrews and her fifth grade class of do gooders
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up in Grays Harbor County, Washington. We know all about this.
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They've been wildly successful with their proclamations. But just in
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case we have some new listeners who haven't heard, who
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haven't heard, that particular episode here, that Matt prou will
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certainly put a link in the show notes to tell
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us about how this thing came about.
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Yeah, Miss Andrews her classroom in Lincoln Elementary School. Like
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they managed to convince Grace Harbor County the Klalam County
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as well, they managed to convince both of them to
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pass a proclamation or resolution to protect sasquatches and recognize
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them as an endangered species. And that's pretty amazing, especially
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considering they were I believe in third and fifth grade
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when they passed them both.
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Well, yeah, nothing puts pressure on you like thirty ten
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year olds. I'll tell you speak speaking of a fifth
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grade teacher, a former fifth grade teacher, I can tell
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you that firsthand. And I think that, you know, any
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legislative body would crumble under the pressure.
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Yeah, I think of all of I guess what you'd
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call them the most successful monster law lobbyists, it would
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be Miss Andrews and her elementary classroom.
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And you know, just you know, Miss Andrews is a listener,
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and I think a lot of our students might be
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listening to this one too, So you feel free to
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say hi because they definitely can tributed to your book.
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And I can recommend Miss Andrews, this is a good
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book for your classroom. I mean it's right up your alley.
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So got to check this one out. You know, the
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other working on Mason County too, I believe.
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Oh that's amazing. Yeah, I'd have to go.
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Back and listen to the podcast when she was on.
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This was only like probably last spring. Or something. I
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don't remember. I've got a pretty wonky sense of time,
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but it wasn't that long ago that she was on
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the podcast. And I think that she said that she
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set in her sights on Mason County. So, Mason County,
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they're coming for you.
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I think one of the students, like, I don't know,
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I don't think they mentioned his name, but they when
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they were asked like, what motivated you to put this
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pressure on the county commissioners, they said that it was
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to encourage scientific study of sasquatches. And I thought that
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was a very intelligent response for an elementary school person.
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Yeah, fantastic, Yeah, And she was just a treasure to
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have on the podcast. I really really enjoyed her conversation.
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Of course, and you know, you talk about how resolutions
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and proclamations don't have any teeth. Man a fifth grade
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I imagine being, you know, being the guy who hunts
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or damages or harms a sasquatch in some sort of way,
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or you know, some self serving bureaucrat sort of politician
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person who votes no on this kind of thing. Imagine
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getting hate mail from like a fifth grade classroom and
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all their siblings.
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Absolutely and I feel like miss Andrews is I think
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she correct me if I'm wrong one of the I
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think it was Klalum Counties, like during that movement, they
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did it as part of a Civics class project, I think,
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and oftentimes I think a lot of people are intimidated
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by their local government, like or they feel disconnected from it.
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And like seeing what a classroom of elementary kids can
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do if they can hold their own local government accountable
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and have them do something that they want. I think
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that's a really good example of government serving the people,
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even like even something as seemingly trivial as this, you know,
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like people shouldn't be they shouldn't feel distant from their
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from their governments.
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No, no, you know, by the people for the people, right, absolutely, yeah,
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And it's a perfect example of it. I think that
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too many times, you know, too many times, like the
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barrier between the people and the law is the amount
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of tedium you know that you have to go through
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to get there, you know, waiting in line for the
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microphone at the city council meetings or waiting through law
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books because you got to make I mean, you've probably
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probably pretty use of the language by now, but it's
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pretty difficult to understand a lot of that stuff, I
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think for the lay person.
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Yeah, a lot of Latin.
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Yeah yeah, but that makes sense that because you want
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to be as precise as possible in your language to
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define the law and thus the reality that you want.
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And we live in a weird universe where la language
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literally defines reality so much to the point that people
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think in words instead of actions and stuff, very very unusual.
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But then again, we're kind of bordering on like a
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consciousness theory and stuff like that, where you know, people
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think in words and that defines their situation and their
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mood and their identity and everything else. So a wonky
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system we have running around of these meat robots that
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were stuck in But okay, so miss Andrews, of course,
481
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you know she And again I really do hope you're listening,
482
00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:31.880
Miss Andrews, that like she deserves like you know, the
483
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patron saint of elementary schools law teaching in my opinion,
484
00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:40.079
and because these these laws, as inconsequential as they might
485
00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:44.400
seem to us, are probably pretty consequential a sasquatches. You know,
486
00:25:44.599 --> 00:25:47.359
nobody would want to be hunted, I would think, But
487
00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:49.680
let's get out of Sasquatch Land just for a second,
488
00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:55.240
and let's talk about the Geneva City Council protection of
489
00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:59.039
the Seneca. Is that right, Seneca Lake Monster? Oh, that's correct,
490
00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:02.160
it's not Seneka. Okay, you never know the Seneca Lake Monster.
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That one two hundred and fifty bucks and fifteen days
492
00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:06.440
in jail. I mean, I wouldn't want to spend any
493
00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:08.519
days in jail, but that seems like a pretty low
494
00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:12.240
punishment there. What was going on with this particular law
495
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or ordinance or whatever it is?
496
00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:17.880
So the Seneca Lake Monster, And let me describe Seneca
497
00:26:17.960 --> 00:26:22.079
Lake a little, just to give context. It's actually larger
498
00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:27.000
and deeper than Loch Ness, and so I believe since
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eight since the late eighteen hundreds, there's been sightings of
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what they call the Seneca Lake Monster, and that's basically
501
00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:37.400
a giant sea serpent. And back in eighteen ninety nine
502
00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:42.359
there was a steamboat that spotted it and apparently they
503
00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:47.160
attempted to ram into it and successfully managed to kill it,
504
00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:51.079
it seems, and they tried bringing it towing it onto
505
00:26:51.079 --> 00:26:54.359
the shore, but it was too large and too heavy,
506
00:26:54.680 --> 00:26:59.000
and it threatened to capsize the entire boat, and they
507
00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:01.839
were forced to release it. And I'm not really sure
508
00:27:01.880 --> 00:27:03.880
if that's a true story, but it was reported as
509
00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:06.720
true when it came out back in eighteen ninety nine,
510
00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:11.720
and there's been sporadic sightings ever since then into the present.
511
00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:15.400
And that's when, like more recently, I think this was
512
00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:19.200
in twenty You don't have a copy with me right now,
513
00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:23.640
but I think twenty fifteen or so the city the
514
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city decided to pass a law, and unlike others, this
515
00:27:28.039 --> 00:27:31.240
one does, as you said, does have some enforcement mechanisms
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00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:34.319
built into it. I think in some ways it even
517
00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:39.119
goes further than some others, because not only does it
518
00:27:39.160 --> 00:27:44.480
forbid the hunting of the lake monster, it also forbids
519
00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:49.160
the use of any city facility to launch a hunting
520
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:52.119
or trapping party. So you can't even trap it.
521
00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:54.319
Now, No, that seems in the water. What if you
522
00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:56.519
hook it on accident when you're fishing for something else.
523
00:27:57.119 --> 00:27:58.599
I think you could win that case.
524
00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:01.880
Hopefully to go to court at all about that, that'd
525
00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:02.640
be a bum out.
526
00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:04.759
Well, if you do go to court for that, please
527
00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:07.599
give me a call. I would love to represent someone
528
00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:09.000
who captured a lake monster.
529
00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:11.400
Oh, I bet you would. That would be like a
530
00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:15.039
dream job, wouldn't it. Absolutely, You're on a rever written
531
00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:16.920
books on this subject. I'm clearly an expert.
532
00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:18.599
You know.
533
00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:21.640
This is a side question here my understandings, and again
534
00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:23.720
I've got a pretty flimsy understanding of the law. A
535
00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:26.480
precedent is the way somebody has judged in the past
536
00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:29.000
about a certain law. Is that correct?
537
00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:31.359
More or less? Yeah? Pretty much.
538
00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:34.519
Are there any precedents in monster law to your knowledge
539
00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:35.039
at this moment?
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00:28:35.799 --> 00:28:39.319
Unfortunately, not yet, but fingers crossed it happens real soon.
541
00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:44.200
That's your gateway to to respect in the law community.
542
00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:48.839
I suppose. Actually I'm not are you Are you familiar
543
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:50.920
with doctor Robert Ryans?
544
00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:53.359
The name sounds familiar, but I'm terrible at names, so
545
00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:54.599
maybe so.
546
00:28:54.799 --> 00:29:01.039
He was a huge lockness monster researchture back in his day.
547
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:06.279
He passed away like a few years back, and like
548
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:08.759
if you were to look up his Wikipedia page, it
549
00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:12.119
was like his endeavors in cryptozoology or all that would
550
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:16.119
really come out. But unbeknownst to most people, he was
551
00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:22.920
actually a very successful patent attorney. I think he's he
552
00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:27.559
either had like between eighty to two hundred patents that
553
00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:32.519
he himself made. So he was a prolific inventor. He
554
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:37.119
he opened the New Hampshire's first ever and only law school,
555
00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:40.279
so he's kind of an inspiration.
556
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:45.160
Wow, well that is something that's fantastic, I think. Yeah,
557
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:48.319
so you're following in his footsteps in some weird way, then.
558
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:52.480
Yeah, absolutely. I hope to someday when I get my
559
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:55.640
own law froom, I'd love to put a giant portrait
560
00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:58.839
of him right next to the judges that I look
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00:29:58.920 --> 00:29:59.160
up to.
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Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
563
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Will be right back after these messages. Okay, Well, the
564
00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:17.400
next stop on our journey here is in Whitehall, New York.
565
00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:20.559
Of course, very very famous bigfoot spot, kind of like
566
00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:22.759
the Eastern capital in a lot of ways of the
567
00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:25.599
Bigfoot thing. Because of a bear road and the sightings
568
00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:28.480
that happened out there with police officers. We did a
569
00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:32.759
whole episode out there on finding Bigfoot. It was a
570
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:35.559
great time, and of course that the town of Whitehall
571
00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:37.599
really embraces the whole Bigfoot thing. They have a Bigfoot
572
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:40.559
festival I think every year. Now. It's course home to
573
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the great Paul Bartholomew, one of the best Bigfoot researchers
574
00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:49.319
on the East Coast and walking Encyclopedia of Everything Bigfoot. Fantastic,
575
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:55.279
fantastic person. Good friend. They have a protective resolution that
576
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kind of happened that I think it happened either right
577
00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:03.599
before or concurrent with the Finding Bigfoot team visiting the
578
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:06.759
Whitehall area. Tell us about this resolution, please.
579
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:13.039
So I actually did speak with Paul Bartholomew about this resolution,
580
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:16.359
and the way he told me was that the it's
581
00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:22.680
called the doctor Warren L. Cook Sasquatch Protective Resolution, and
582
00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:26.359
apparently it's named after his anthropology professor. So I thought
583
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:30.839
that was that was really cool. And this one prohibits
584
00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:35.759
potentially lethal abuse or annihilation of a Sasquatch.
585
00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:41.359
Yeah, and Warren L. Cook is an anthropologist. What do
586
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:43.359
you know about his backgrounds? I don't know very much.
587
00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:46.480
Yeah. I didn't really go into that much detail with
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my conversation with Paul, but from my understanding, it was
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00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:54.079
he who inspired him to go lobby for this law.
590
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:57.079
Yeah. Have you did you? Did you take a visit
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to Paul or did you just speak to him on
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the phone.
593
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:02.559
I was just online. I wasn't able to pay him
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00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:06.119
a visit. I've been law school is really busy sometimes,
595
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:11.279
but you're right. They celebrate on the last Saturday of
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00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:19.200
every September. They celebrate that as Sasquatch Appreciation Day. So
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00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:21.519
now that I'm free, I guess I know where I'll
598
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be going.
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Oh yeah, I have never. Of course, I've met with
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Paul several times in person when I'm on that side
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of the country. I try to, you know, see him
602
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:33.400
or whatever if I can. But I've never been to
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00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:38.039
his home, and I understand his home is is basically
604
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:41.160
a lot like a museum or a library in itself
605
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:45.599
of everything Bigfoot. So I was just I guess, maybe
606
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:47.880
gonna recommend you try to get an invite to his
607
00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:49.640
home or something, just to check it out. I understand
608
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:53.119
it's staggering in his collection there.
609
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:57.039
So yeah, he's a pretty big figure in on the
610
00:32:57.079 --> 00:32:59.880
East coast Sasquatch Field.
611
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:04.480
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Now, of course, New York also
612
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:08.720
has a different Lake Monster champ from Lake Champlain. I've
613
00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:11.000
been there as well. I think actually I visited there
614
00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:14.319
during our Whitehall episode on Finding Bigfoot. They also passed
615
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:15.799
the law. I wasn't aware of this one at all.
616
00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:20.319
Yes, And unlike the others, this one was actually passed
617
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:23.519
by the New York State Assembly, and I believe that
618
00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:28.359
was let's say that was nineteen eighty three, I believe.
619
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:31.880
And yeah, this is the one that really got me
620
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:36.720
into all of this. It's the It encourages serious scientific
621
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:41.559
research and prohibits any harm from coming to the Lake
622
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:44.839
Champlain creature. They didn't call it champ So what did
623
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:47.599
they refer it to refer to it as just the
624
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:48.759
lake monster. Nothing.
625
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:51.119
Yeah, you don't want to call it by the wrong
626
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:53.480
name or something, So, yeah, you don't know. It could
627
00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:56.240
be Aul, you know, or Jeff or somebody.
628
00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:58.839
Yeah, we'll make sure to ask it when when he
629
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:00.960
pops up next time, you know.
630
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:02.480
You know what struck me about this one is that
631
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:05.480
it is also just like the fifth grade resolutions over
632
00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:09.119
here in Washington from Miss Andrews class. They also are
633
00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:13.079
encouraging scientific inquiry. I think that's fantastic because these other
634
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:15.840
ones are basically stopping you from doing something, and these
635
00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:21.760
particular ordinances or resolutions are encouraging something. This ice have encouraging,
636
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:25.239
you know, legal things, as opposed to just telling you no.
637
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:28.480
This positive reinforcement instead of the negative reinforcement works better
638
00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:29.280
with dogs.
639
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:35.199
Too, Absolutely, I think it also helps foster that encouragement
640
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:40.000
for people to dig deeper into this, into this stuff.
641
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:44.079
I think there's I do talk about it in the book,
642
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:49.079
but there is another law that tries to it's very unproductive.
643
00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:55.320
It discourages like investigating sasquatch. And I don't think those
644
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:58.400
laws are very I don't think they're very good. Frankly,
645
00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:01.599
I think these are much better, as said, because there's
646
00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:07.639
no harm in fostering scientific interest in the unknown. And
647
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:11.840
I think this even though it's a resolution, it wasn't
648
00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:15.599
ratified by the New York State Senate, so it's more
649
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:19.199
symbolic more than anything. It's still it still means something
650
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:22.679
that it's encouraging people to take a more serious look
651
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:23.159
into this.
652
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:26.000
Oh yeah, yeah. And if we didn't look into things
653
00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:28.320
that we know nothing about, we'd still be, you know,
654
00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:32.320
as ignorants we were a thousand years ago. It's ridiculous
655
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:34.960
to discourage something. And speaking of which, you know, you
656
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:37.239
have a whole section in your book on the failures
657
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:39.280
of laws to pass or things that just kind of
658
00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:43.599
lost steam and all that sort of stuff. And right away,
659
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:45.320
the first one, of course, that you mentioned, was out
660
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:48.280
in New Mexico that there's a scandal a few years
661
00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:55.920
ago about some nonsensical public outrage of a university hosting
662
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:59.159
and funding a bigfoot conference that doctor Jeff Meldrim attended,
663
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:03.320
and the whole thing just seemed ridiculous at the time. Yeah,
664
00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:06.360
because they spent like seven grand on this conference, but
665
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:08.320
they probably made that back. I don't think it was
666
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:09.960
a free conference. If I remember right, maybe it was.
667
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:13.360
But then one of the senators, a guy named George Munos,
668
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:17.000
got involved and he said, no, no more, no more
669
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spending money on this frivolous nonsense. So so that's terrible.
670
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:26.599
So speaking of laws and stuff in Watcom County, being
671
00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:31.039
raspberry producer, Hey, George Munos, that sucks.
672
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:31.639
Don't do that.
673
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:33.920
So I want to combine rasberry is from a previous
674
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:37.800
story with this one. But the egg will be on
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on representative or you know, Senator Munos's face at some point,
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00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:44.440
especially when he finds out Sasquatches are in fact living
677
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:48.039
in New Mexico. Oh, bad choice. You just lost the
678
00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:51.559
big foot vote there. Unfortunate, So tell us a little
679
00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:52.519
about what would happen there.
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00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:57.119
So if had this had this passed, I think it
681
00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:00.239
would have forbidden any public funds to be used or
682
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:09.119
searching for bigfoot, leprechauns, pokemon like this. It wasn't, it wasn't.
683
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:11.440
I don't think it was a good freight attempt at
684
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preserving public funds as he made it out to be.
685
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:17.039
I think it was just a like a quick job.
686
00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:20.280
It was like I think he tried to score easy points.
687
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:23.039
And I think that's it's that's a big shame because
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00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:28.719
the university that the presentation was done very professionally. It
689
00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:32.639
wasn't just doctor Jeff Meldrum, it was also doctor Christopher Dyer.
690
00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:38.440
And both of these individuals are very highly qualified anthropologists.
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I think doctor Dyer is an is an expert in
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applied anthropology, ecological anthropology. Meldrum, obviously known for his famous
693
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:54.719
book Legend Me Science, an expert in anatomy, primate locomotion.
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And these are really the kind of things that you
695
00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:04.199
would want to happen. You'd want qualified individuals to take
696
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a serious look at this, and that's what that's what
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they did. Or they presented the state of science, the
698
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Sasquatch science. And from my understanding, this was the most
699
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the most publicly attended events in that campus's history. So
700
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I think it was a humongous success. I don't know
701
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:33.000
why it received this minor backlash from this mister Munno's Yeah,
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I don't know.
703
00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:35.880
It probably does an attention grabbing thing, you know, politicians
704
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can be that sucks. Yeah, it does, it does. So
705
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:43.760
you have a section on Oklahoma. That section in Oklahoma
706
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was that it was that a few years ago, maybe
707
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:50.559
a year ago, maybe more, they were encouraging, encouraging the
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hunting of sasquatches. Is that what this was this was about.
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00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:57.639
Yes, yes, it was. It was the law was trying
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to get people to buy sasquatch hunting licenses. The bill's sponsor,
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he himself said that he doesn't want people to actually
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00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:12.800
go and kill a sasquatch, but he didn't put that
713
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:17.320
into the laws, so it wasn't I don't know if
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you were a sasquatch and this were if you were
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to hear about this bill that was being debated at
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the time, I think you'd be pretty nervous.
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Yeah, well, you know, I don't think sasquatch has paid
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00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:32.119
too much attention to the news media in general. Probably
719
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:34.920
better for them, I think in some ways. And so
720
00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:37.280
there's some other stuff in Washington that didn't get passed.
721
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:41.159
I guess now flipping through this, I noticed that you're
722
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:45.679
missing a section or maybe there's maybe there's a second
723
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:47.960
edition coming out at some point. Are you aware that
724
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:54.159
the Governor of Oregon back in nineteen seventy seven or something,
725
00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:58.480
in fact check me, please everybody, he was going to
726
00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:03.199
try to get Oregon on board legally speaking to you know,
727
00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:06.760
either protect sasquatches or adopt them as or official this
728
00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:09.159
or that or whatever. There's some legal thing with the
729
00:40:09.159 --> 00:40:13.159
Governor of Oregon in the nineteen seventies that he may
730
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:16.239
want to address if you ever do a second edition
731
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:16.880
on this one.
732
00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:21.760
Absolutely, I know the Governor of Washington did try to
733
00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:27.559
do that, and I think in his application he also
734
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:35.079
he attached a hair sample of supposedly a sasquatch, and
735
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:37.559
I think he did this as a proclamation. So this
736
00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:41.800
I don't think it went very far after his term ended.
737
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:46.360
But yeah, I had no idea that the Governor of
738
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:48.760
Oregon was doing something similar, So I'll have to take
739
00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:49.480
a look into that.
740
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:54.400
Yeah, there's an opportunity for a second edition there. Very good. Now,
741
00:40:54.639 --> 00:40:56.280
now's let's get off the book for a minute. Because
742
00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:58.320
another reason that I wanted to speak to you today
743
00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:01.760
is that you have some very very rare information that many,
744
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:05.880
many bigfoot researchers have suspected for a long long time.
745
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:08.119
I've done a little bit of work in this I
746
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:09.920
know Ken Gerhart has done a little bit of work
747
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:12.280
in this area. And what I'm talking about is, of course,
748
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:16.679
are sasquatch sightings in Mexico. I mean, bigfoots are seen
749
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:20.239
in Arizona, in New Mexico and Texas, in California and
750
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:25.599
southern California. There's nothing stopping them, not even this giant
751
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:29.360
imaginary wall from going in and out of Mexico. They are,
752
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.079
in fact in Mexico. And I've taken two i think
753
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:37.599
reports directly from Spanish speaking people from southern Mexico in particular.
754
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:41.079
What have you uncovered? Because you're a Spanish speaker, so
755
00:41:41.119 --> 00:41:44.639
you probably understand I mean, obviously you understand what they're
756
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:47.800
saying far more than I do. I'm not a fluent speaker,
757
00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:50.199
but I speak enough Spanish to know that I'm not fluent.
758
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:55.159
I can rearrange my sentences using my my twelve year
759
00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:58.039
old vocabulary to say what I want, and I find
760
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:02.079
understanding to be far more difficult, obviously because native speakers
761
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:04.719
speak so quickly. But since you are a native speaker,
762
00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:06.559
I'm assuming you're a native speaker at least I know
763
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:08.480
you speak Spanish. Where you talked about that before we
764
00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:11.159
hit the record button. What have you learned? What have
765
00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:14.039
you uncovered as far as sasquatches in Mexico.
766
00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:18.079
So, the southern region of Mexico, it's made up of
767
00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:22.760
primarily indigenous communities, and one of them, specifically in the
768
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:25.599
state of Wohaka. Wahaka is where my parents are from. Actually,
769
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:30.679
so in this particular region in Wohaka, it's home to
770
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:36.320
the Mazatec people, and they have a long tradition of
771
00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:40.599
what they call El salvaj, which means the wild one,
772
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:45.559
and basically when you hear them describe it, it's a
773
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:51.159
two meter tall, hair covered bipedal person that has the
774
00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:55.920
face of the leathery face of a monkey, and monkeys
775
00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:59.719
do live in southern Mexico, so they actually do describe
776
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:05.119
these beings as as monkeys, like giant man sized monkeys
777
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:12.679
without tails, and they they actually have very similar habits
778
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:17.239
that sasquatches, and in the US and Canada are reported
779
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:24.079
as having They often raid crops. They they steal hunters catches.
780
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:28.400
If you hear them screaming in the woods because apparently
781
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:33.519
they scream really loudly, avoid it. They like the mass
782
00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:36.760
a type. People know to avoid going to these areas
783
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:40.679
that are known to be inhabited by the Slovaki.
784
00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:46.800
The one report I remember, speaking to a man in Spanish,
785
00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:50.320
we also came from Wahaka, so it's a is it
786
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:52.760
a fairly common thing down there? Is it something that
787
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:55.239
like the local people just kind of accept and don't
788
00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:57.400
really think about because it's just another animal in the woods,
789
00:43:57.480 --> 00:43:59.239
or what's their relationship to this.
790
00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:03.119
I think it really depends on the area. Big parts
791
00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:06.800
of Ojaka are very error and there aren't that many
792
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:10.880
reports coming out of those regions. But in this area
793
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:16.119
called the the Cerro de Lencanto, which means the Hill
794
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:20.960
of Enchantment. Basically, it's pretty much a giant rainforest, and
795
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:26.599
over there they they do spot them somewhat regularly, especially
796
00:44:26.599 --> 00:44:32.320
in the rural communities. They definitely consider it to be
797
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:37.559
a wild person, like it's it's strange. They Slovaki means
798
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:40.480
the wild one, so it's I guess it would be
799
00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:44.840
in between an animal and the man, and so the
800
00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:48.719
best thing they can call it. Well, interestingly, they do
801
00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:51.239
call it a cannibal. In many of these parts they
802
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:54.000
call him he's a cannibal. They consider him a person,
803
00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:57.519
but a wild one, one that doesn't act like humans
804
00:44:57.519 --> 00:44:58.199
are supposed to.
805
00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:02.760
Now, have you we've spoken directly to any eyewitnesses or
806
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:05.559
is this just a cultural thing that you picked up
807
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:08.760
because your family has origins in that area.
808
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:11.559
I did speak with one gentleman. He didn't go into
809
00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:14.840
very much detail, but this was in the Yucatan, so
810
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:19.199
this isn't really the Mazzateech area. But I didn't cover
811
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:25.920
this book from the nineteen sixties that describes interviews with them.
812
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:29.599
It was basically an anthropologist going into the jungles and
813
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:34.199
speaking with people about their beliefs, and the Salvaje popped
814
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:35.679
up at least three times.
815
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:37.719
Really, well, do you know the name of that book.
816
00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:41.880
I'll look it up for you right now. It's in Spanish,
817
00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:45.159
but I can give you the translation, the translated version
818
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:50.519
of it. It's called Relatos de l Mundo maxico Mazateco,
819
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:55.440
which is Stories of the Magical World of the Muzzateech Pool.
820
00:45:55.719 --> 00:45:58.480
And so there's no there's no English translation of this one. Unfortunately,
821
00:45:58.480 --> 00:45:59.119
it sounds.
822
00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:02.679
Like unfortunately no. But I did translate them so I
823
00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:04.920
can send them over to you if you're interested.
824
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:08.400
Oh, of course i'd love to. I'd love that, absolutely, absolutely,
825
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:12.199
because because that's the thing, you know, so little, like
826
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:17.199
so few whispers of these things leak out of Latin
827
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:19.480
America in general, but they've got to be there. I've
828
00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:24.159
always there's nothing stopping them except for you know, perhaps habitat,
829
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:29.039
the preference from being down there. You know, they're sasquatches,
830
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:31.159
being large, hair covered animals. You think, well, maybe they
831
00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:35.400
don't like jungles or something like that. But but I've
832
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:37.400
spoken to people who have seen them in jungles, not
833
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:40.039
only in Mexico, but Bobo. I wish Bobo was here
834
00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:44.000
because he has gathered several reports from people in Nicaragua
835
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:48.199
about these things. Of course, you know, Guatemala has the
836
00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:52.360
story that Si Samite and and Belize. I guess that
837
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:54.920
the legend there is al Duende, which means the dwarf
838
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:57.199
for the you know, the short one. I guess maybe
839
00:46:57.199 --> 00:46:59.440
they saw a baby sasquatch or something at a point.
840
00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:02.119
And of course, and there's also a lot of this
841
00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:04.559
kind of work to be done down in South America.
842
00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:07.639
The most famous South American version, of course, is the
843
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:11.239
mapping guady in Brazil. But that but that's only famous
844
00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:16.039
because doctor David Orrin and a scientist from the United
845
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:18.440
States who's an Next Patriot. He lives down there now.
846
00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:20.960
He did a lot of work on this thing. But
847
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:24.000
if it wasn't for him, probably very few people up
848
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:27.639
here would know about the mapenguady. So it begs a question, like,
849
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:30.239
what's going on in Chile, what's going on in Argentina,
850
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:33.239
what's going on in Bolivia? Like all these other places
851
00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:36.559
that have totally suitable habitat, There's got to be stuff
852
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:41.320
going on down there. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and
853
00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:44.159
Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after
854
00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:44.880
these messages.
855
00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:56.480
Are you Are you familiar with the Pombero of Uruguay No? So,
856
00:47:56.599 --> 00:48:00.119
the Pombero is basically a small roughly three foot a
857
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:05.599
wild human that is reported in the jungles that he
858
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:09.599
makes bird noises. If you leave food out, he'll come
859
00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:14.000
and take it. And it's really interesting if you look
860
00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:16.880
him up, you'll if you look up El Pombero, you'll
861
00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:21.360
probably find this model made of one back in the
862
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:25.519
nineteen eighties, and if you put it side by side
863
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:30.360
with the reconstruction of Homo floresiences, it's an uncanny resemblance.
864
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:35.320
And I do sometimes show people like, look, these two
865
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:40.320
are both pictures of Homo floresiences, except know this one
866
00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:44.519
is actually a mythical creature that predates the discovery of
867
00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:49.599
Homo floresiences, and it's I think that's a really remarkable coincidence.
868
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:52.599
Yeah, yeah, wouldn't that be something? I mean, because they're
869
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:55.239
still struggling with how did an arcade common en like
870
00:48:55.280 --> 00:49:01.159
homofloresiensis or homoleuson ensis, the newer species discovered and the Philippines,
871
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:05.519
how did they get to Indonesia? You know, because because
872
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:08.960
a lot of these islands had never been touched by
873
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:10.960
land that you had to go by water. They've never
874
00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:12.840
had a land bridge in a lot of these places,
875
00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:15.039
so they're they're struggling with that, like how did these
876
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:18.559
archaic commonants get over there? But to open that Pandora's
877
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:21.840
box for South America would really be something. Of course,
878
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:23.719
I've been being very honest thinking about it right now.
879
00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:26.280
I don't know how monkeys actually got to South America either,
880
00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:29.920
So that's probably very very similar travel route if that's
881
00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:32.119
the case. And of course I have we have several
882
00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:34.400
PhDs in primatology where I'm sure and be more than
883
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:37.280
happy to tell me how monkeys got to South America anyway,
884
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:42.800
So what other legends of hair covered critters down in,
885
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:46.199
you know, south of the border here, whether it's Mexico
886
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:48.119
or whether it's all the way to Chile, are you
887
00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:49.039
familiar with.
888
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:54.039
So other than the Cimita. It's actually also known as
889
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:58.320
the sin Cimito in some parts, but it's it's interesting
890
00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:03.400
like the Salva of Wohaka, both of these creatures are
891
00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:07.199
described as having backwards feet, and I don't really know
892
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:11.440
where that detail came from because that book I described earlier,
893
00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:18.559
it goes into different accounts or just different retellings of
894
00:50:18.599 --> 00:50:26.719
the wild man, and those that had first person encounters
895
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:31.199
don't describe it as having backward facing feet. They describe
896
00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:37.480
it as a hairy wild person scaries that screams at you.
897
00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:40.039
So I don't know where this detail came from, but
898
00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:46.800
it's one that's found in both the Yucatan, Wohaka other
899
00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:50.880
parts of southern Mexico and it's interesting. I really don't
900
00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:52.159
know where that detail came from.
901
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:55.719
Well, oddly enough, that's a very common motif in stories
902
00:50:55.719 --> 00:50:58.800
from Asia as well, like the Yeti or the Almasty
903
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:02.599
and those craters over there. They are often described as
904
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:07.800
having backwards feet. I think it's even prevalent in Indonesia
905
00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:11.519
with the ring and deck and Ebugoco. But another one
906
00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:14.079
of the prominent things they talk about is like getting
907
00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:17.599
them drunk, like leaving out bowls of beer for them,
908
00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:21.239
and or having like long pendulous breasts that they can
909
00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:25.039
throw over their shoulders or hair covers her eyes, so
910
00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:27.400
when you get chased by one run down hill because
911
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:29.320
the hair covers their eyes and then they can't see
912
00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:30.280
you when they stop chasing you.
913
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:33.280
Yeah, that's really interesting that you said that that book
914
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:36.920
that I just that I just mentioned. It's that's one
915
00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:41.400
of the details they describe about the Slovak, or for
916
00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:46.280
the females, it's las salak long pendulous breasts so they
917
00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:48.679
can put over their shoulder and that allows them to
918
00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:52.599
run faster. That's really interesting. I'm not a scientist, but
919
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:55.639
if I were to hypothesize, maybe just my two cents
920
00:51:56.079 --> 00:52:00.360
as to where the detail of backward facing feet came from.
921
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:05.880
I imagine maybe someone encountered their their footprints and after
922
00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:09.000
following it for so long and not not being able
923
00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:12.599
to find it, assumed, well, maybe they're feet are facing backwards,
924
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:14.639
so that's why we can't catch them.
925
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:17.880
Oh yeah, yeah, your guess as good as mine of
926
00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:22.119
course on that. But it's an odd thing to explain
927
00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:29.239
a worldwide prevalence of that strange mythological quirk. Absolutely, it
928
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:32.159
might be like yugien in nature or something. Who knows,
929
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:35.159
who knows what's going on now? Of course you're you're
930
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:38.760
you work in the law profession, of course, and which
931
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:42.119
has got to be pretty pretty stressful and pretty time
932
00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:44.079
intensive and all this other stuff. It sounds like you
933
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:47.639
have yourself another avenue of research that is a lot
934
00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:50.360
more fun ahead of you being a Spanish speaker yourself
935
00:52:50.719 --> 00:52:55.199
and having a wide open field for you to play on,
936
00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:59.280
because very I'm not really aware of anybody outside of
937
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:02.920
doctor David or who's who's really done an in depth
938
00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:06.760
study of these kinds of things in the Spanish speaking world.
939
00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:09.639
It's wide open for you, and so allow me to
940
00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:13.679
put a little pressure on you, or perhaps encouragement would
941
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:14.960
be it might be a better way to say it.
942
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:18.760
I think the Bigfoot world is hungry for this kind
943
00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:23.119
of thing, for you know, Bigfoot in Latin America, you know,
944
00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:26.079
in in Central America and South America and of course Mexico.
945
00:53:26.119 --> 00:53:29.199
It's too because there's got to be this rich history,
946
00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:32.159
whether you're talking about the folklore that came before or
947
00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:37.400
the sighting reports that are probably still going on. And
948
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:39.639
where could this take us? You know, how cool would
949
00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:41.840
that be? So do you have any interest in doing
950
00:53:41.840 --> 00:53:43.639
something like that? I think that would be fantastic.
951
00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:48.840
Somebody needs to absolutely Again, going back to that book,
952
00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:52.440
someone was interviewed and they were asked, like, so, what
953
00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:55.480
happened to the to the cub is what happened to
954
00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:58.960
them in this in this part of Mohaka. And they
955
00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:02.880
said that when the railroads were first constructed back in
956
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:07.639
the nineteen forties, that they the workers, the people, they
957
00:54:07.639 --> 00:54:11.800
had encounters with the selvas and that they had to
958
00:54:11.960 --> 00:54:18.320
use their rifles to basically wipe them out. So like,
959
00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:21.480
there's I'd love to know what actually happened back then,
960
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:27.199
if anyone in living memory recalls such stories, if anyone
961
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:33.440
knows basically like an entire universe of interactions that we
962
00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:37.000
haven't been privy to in the English speaking world.
963
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:39.320
Yeah, that's the whole thing. We don't know about this
964
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:41.559
stuff that is probably still going on because no one's
965
00:54:41.559 --> 00:54:43.920
writing books. It kind of goes back to you know
966
00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:48.360
how Sasquatch is very often associated with the Pacific Northwest
967
00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:50.280
and people ask me that, Well, if they're in Tennessee
968
00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:54.400
and Kentucky and Florida and Michigan, you know, why is
969
00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:56.440
it just the Pacific Northwest It gets all the credit.
970
00:54:56.719 --> 00:54:59.519
And it's because all the early researchers lived here. You know.
971
00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:02.159
It's very often it's like the victors of the war
972
00:55:02.239 --> 00:55:05.800
get to write the history essentially. You know, when people
973
00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:09.440
write about it, it becomes known in various ways, and
974
00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:12.360
no one's really written about this subject in such a
975
00:55:12.360 --> 00:55:15.679
way that I feel it deserves. And I know that
976
00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:18.800
Kathy Strain's done a little bit of ethnography work, I think,
977
00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:22.079
and not maybe not going there, but kind of digging
978
00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:25.199
up different names and else of Aje is one of them,
979
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:28.159
and various other names for these kinds of critters through
980
00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:32.000
folklore and native accounts, because that's her specialties, the native
981
00:55:32.039 --> 00:55:35.840
side of things there. But being an anthropologist. But to
982
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:37.800
get boots on the ground in some of these places
983
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:42.239
and actually speak to witnesses or or what about physical
984
00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:46.480
evidence like casts or even photographs of footprints or the
985
00:55:46.480 --> 00:55:49.320
animals themselves or anything like that. Are youware of anything
986
00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:50.199
at all that exists?
987
00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:53.199
I am not, and I don't. Yeah. I think the
988
00:55:54.960 --> 00:56:00.280
sasquatching down in south of the border is not quite
989
00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:03.559
there yet. I feel like it's and it's in its
990
00:56:03.559 --> 00:56:08.800
infancy really. I think Jane Goodall once went down to
991
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:12.360
South America and asked, I think in the Jungles of Ecuador,
992
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:15.239
like some of the local hunters if they've ever encountered
993
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:21.960
bipedal hairless not hairless tailless monkeys, And she got through
994
00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:28.960
reports like fairly fairly quickly. So yeah, I think right
995
00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:32.840
now it's mostly just sightings and encounters. But if we're
996
00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:35.159
able to put boots on the ground, then I think
997
00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:37.159
that'll change really quickly. Yeah.
998
00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:39.800
And of course it's a language barrier, because you know,
999
00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:43.000
hearing that of states, the predominant language is still English,
1000
00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:46.119
you know, and you know that's what's stopped me from
1001
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:52.440
like farming, like say, the Spanish speaking cultures. Like my comprehension,
1002
00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:54.599
isn't that good? You know, I have a hard time
1003
00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:58.280
understanding native speakers because they speak so quickly and in
1004
00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:01.920
a subject like sask and when you're taking a citing report,
1005
00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:05.800
the subtleties in language often matter. And yeah, I've spoken
1006
00:57:05.840 --> 00:57:08.679
to a few witnesses in my broken Spanish and whatever else,
1007
00:57:08.679 --> 00:57:11.679
and I was thankful for what I got. But to
1008
00:57:11.800 --> 00:57:15.239
do a proper job on the collection of that kind
1009
00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:19.360
of data, whether it's folkloric data or eyewitness reports or
1010
00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:23.159
anything else, you kind of need to be a native
1011
00:57:23.239 --> 00:57:25.400
or near native speaker, I would think at least.
1012
00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:27.199
Yeah, and I think I'm up for it.
1013
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:31.440
Oh my god, I sincerely hope you do it. And
1014
00:57:31.480 --> 00:57:33.400
of course, if there's anything I can do to help
1015
00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:36.320
you along the way. You have my email address by
1016
00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:38.960
all means, use it, use it, use it so well.
1017
00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:41.039
You know, we're coming to the end of the of
1018
00:57:41.039 --> 00:57:43.800
the podcast here, anything else you want to mention, anything
1019
00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:46.400
else you forgot before we give a little bit more
1020
00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:47.760
love to your book here for everybody.
1021
00:57:48.760 --> 00:57:51.519
I would like to discuss at least two laws that
1022
00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:55.239
were passed after the book was in the publishing process,
1023
00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:56.679
if that's possible.
1024
00:57:56.480 --> 00:57:59.079
Of course. Yeah, so you have to do a second edition.
1025
00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:02.199
Now, oh, absolute, what do you got for me?
1026
00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:04.320
I'd love to hear about it. Hopefully I'm not aware
1027
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:05.159
of these things.
1028
00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:08.719
I think you might be aware of this. In August
1029
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:13.360
of twenty twenty three, Marion County, Texas, they passed the
1030
00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:17.119
law at the behest of one Craig wool Heater.
1031
00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:19.599
Oh yeah, yeah, sure, yeah.
1032
00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:25.440
He was able to convince the county commissioners to pass
1033
00:58:25.519 --> 00:58:29.519
this law and it was signed by Judge Leeward Lafleur,
1034
00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:33.239
and that was in August of twenty twenty three. So again,
1035
00:58:33.280 --> 00:58:36.840
it's just it's a resolution, but a resolution is a proclamation,
1036
00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:38.079
and proclamations matter.
1037
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:42.280
Okay, you know what, now that Craig wool Heater has surfaced,
1038
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:44.639
I'm not really on social media so much, but I
1039
00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:46.599
did hear that he took a pretty bad tumble, and
1040
00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:49.280
I think that there is a kickstarter for him, like
1041
00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:51.880
helping him out with them meeting some expenses there until
1042
00:58:51.880 --> 00:58:54.559
he can get back on his feet. I don't know
1043
00:58:54.679 --> 00:58:56.440
much about it, but I heard something about it. I
1044
00:58:56.480 --> 00:58:58.800
haven't looked it up yet. So Matt Prode, if you
1045
00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:00.280
want to put a link to that, maybe, if you
1046
00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:01.920
have an extra dollar or two, throw it at Craye
1047
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:03.360
wole Heater. I think he can probably use it right
1048
00:59:03.360 --> 00:59:06.239
about now. And what was the second law that you
1049
00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:08.559
wanted to mention here Tennessee?
1050
00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:13.280
The Keem Trail law that they passed. It's odd that
1051
00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:16.639
they really were able to get that law passed in
1052
00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:20.280
the first place, and even crazier that someone amended it
1053
00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:25.039
to include a protecting Sasquatches. And Yeti's from Keem Trails.
1054
00:59:25.199 --> 00:59:28.039
So that's how that sounds like it has Tim Burchett's
1055
00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:29.559
handprints on it, does it.
1056
00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:32.880
I'm not sure. I think that was the That was
1057
00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:35.840
the state Senate and status said, Wow, this is an
1058
00:59:35.880 --> 00:59:39.480
actual law, it's enforceable, it's it's on the books.
1059
00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:43.039
Yeah. Of course, our good friend Tim Burchett, who's in
1060
00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:46.639
the House of Representatives, he was the mayor of Knox
1061
00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:50.239
County when finding Bigfoot went to Knoxville, Tennessee. He made
1062
00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:54.199
Bigfoot days like he did a lot for the Bigfoot world.
1063
00:59:54.199 --> 00:59:56.239
And of course he's also kind of a spearheading a
1064
00:59:56.280 --> 00:59:59.960
lot of this uap ufo stuff that's going on right now.
1065
01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:02.960
He's all over this stuff. I suspect that Tim had
1066
01:00:03.119 --> 01:00:06.039
had some force behind that, so put some wind in
1067
01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:09.519
those sales there, so that those are not in the book,
1068
01:00:09.559 --> 01:00:11.400
though those are be added to a second edition at
1069
01:00:11.400 --> 01:00:12.039
some later point.
1070
01:00:12.760 --> 01:00:13.400
Absolutely.
1071
01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:17.800
Yeah, Tennessee is becoming very very bigfoot friendly. You know,
1072
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:22.079
grounds there with great researchers like like Matt Proue living there,
1073
01:00:22.119 --> 01:00:24.239
and of course Tim Burchett and the house representatives in
1074
01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:27.239
the UAP all all the weird stuff. He gets teased
1075
01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:30.880
by his his counterparts about the bigfoot thing, but you know,
1076
01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:36.199
he's cool. He's cool, and there's nothing wrong with looking
1077
01:00:36.280 --> 01:00:38.559
in the Bigfoot and enjoying yourself and subjects that are
1078
01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:39.960
a little bit outside the norm.
1079
01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:44.159
In my opinion, absolutely, I think right now, the the
1080
01:00:44.199 --> 01:00:48.559
West coast is largely because of Washington. They're leading the
1081
01:00:48.679 --> 01:00:53.000
charge when it comes to sasquatch legislation, and the East coast,
1082
01:00:53.440 --> 01:00:56.840
thanks to New York, is leading the charge in terms
1083
01:00:56.880 --> 01:01:00.320
of lake monster legislation. So I'm interested to see what
1084
01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:02.880
the center of the country has to has to bring
1085
01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:03.519
to the table.
1086
01:01:04.519 --> 01:01:07.119
Yeah, where are you Midwest? Come on, let's do something
1087
01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:11.920
about this. Ohio. We know there's bigfoots in Ohio thanks
1088
01:01:11.920 --> 01:01:13.679
to the great tomm Yammeron and the song, But like,
1089
01:01:14.119 --> 01:01:16.320
what are you gonna do about it. Well, very good,
1090
01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:20.039
very good. So Monster Law is a fantastic book. I mean,
1091
01:01:20.639 --> 01:01:24.480
I really like it. It's it's super easy to read.
1092
01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:27.639
It goes straight to the straight to the point. It
1093
01:01:27.679 --> 01:01:31.159
has the actual transcripts, It has photographs of the actual
1094
01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:34.199
pieces of paper that talk about these laws. You know
1095
01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:36.880
that the actual I'm not sure the term for it,
1096
01:01:36.920 --> 01:01:39.400
but it is a great book. It is a great
1097
01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:42.880
Christmas gift. And it is available all over the place.
1098
01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:45.119
I mean I looked it up before I came on,
1099
01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:47.639
before I push record here. It's on Amazon and all
1100
01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:49.199
that stuff. Of course, you can get it directly from
1101
01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:52.320
Hanger one Publishing or you know, personal plug here. You
1102
01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:56.280
can also get it in the North American Bigfoot Center bookstore,
1103
01:01:56.599 --> 01:02:00.280
so online store. You can order it from there. Commend
1104
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:03.079
everybody gets it there. So what's next, man, You ever
1105
01:02:03.079 --> 01:02:04.480
get into the woods or anything like that.
1106
01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:08.840
I'm about to know you go hiking. But now with
1107
01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:12.880
this extra time, I'm going all in. Nice.
1108
01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:15.000
Nice that you live in New York City or just
1109
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:15.599
New York State.
1110
01:02:16.719 --> 01:02:18.760
I was born in New York City. I went up
1111
01:02:18.800 --> 01:02:23.519
to Albany for law school and I'm still there. It's
1112
01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:27.519
roughly about a forty minute drive from Whitehall, so I
1113
01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:28.760
think I know where I'm going next.
1114
01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:31.360
Fantastic, And you know I will be on that side
1115
01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:36.119
of the country come September September October, one of those two.
1116
01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:40.159
They're doing some big foot conference thing out in New York.
1117
01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:41.840
I don't have all the details on, but I know
1118
01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:43.960
I said yes to it, so I will be there
1119
01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:46.039
as on your side of the country. So if you
1120
01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:47.719
can come out, i'd love to meet you in person.
1121
01:02:48.159 --> 01:02:50.599
Oh that's exciting. I'd love to see Yeah.
1122
01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:52.679
Yeah, And I'm sure I'll be talking about on the
1123
01:02:52.679 --> 01:02:54.840
podcast when I get more information, and there's a website
1124
01:02:54.840 --> 01:02:56.440
and all this sort of stuff. But I know what's happening.
1125
01:02:56.440 --> 01:02:58.519
I think doctor Meldrem and I are on the docket.
1126
01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:02.360
So there's two reasons to either come or stay away,
1127
01:03:02.360 --> 01:03:04.079
depending on how you feel about me and doctor Jeff.
1128
01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:08.719
So all right, Francisco, thank you very very much for
1129
01:03:08.960 --> 01:03:12.360
your knowledge, your interest, your Spanish speaking abilities, bringing those
1130
01:03:12.559 --> 01:03:16.280
rare tidbits to the podcast, and your time. I really
1131
01:03:16.360 --> 01:03:18.360
really do appreciate it. I'm sorry Bobo and Matt couldn't
1132
01:03:18.360 --> 01:03:20.280
have been here. They would have loved this conversation, So
1133
01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:20.760
thank you.
1134
01:03:21.280 --> 01:03:21.920
Thank you cluch.
1135
01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:25.559
All right, hey, everybody. Next week we're gonna have everybody
1136
01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:28.119
back together. I believe the team will be back, all
1137
01:03:28.159 --> 01:03:30.400
of us, Bobo and Matt. So thank you very much
1138
01:03:30.440 --> 01:03:33.760
for listening. Do appreciate it, and until next week, keep
1139
01:03:33.800 --> 01:03:41.599
it Squatchy. Thanks for listening to this week's episode of
1140
01:03:41.639 --> 01:03:44.559
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01:03:44.679 --> 01:03:48.039
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01:03:48.039 --> 01:03:50.960
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01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:55.159
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01:03:55.159 --> 01:03:58.599
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