The War On Knowledge, A Modern Book Burning

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Believe that any at any.
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Pretinks everybody Nina here with Beyond Truth, and tonight we're
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gonna be talking about modern day book burning, if you will.
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But before we get into all of that tonight, Robert,
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how you doing.
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I'm doing great.
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I read lots of books, so this is right up
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my alley. And when I found out about this, I
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was shocked, you know, shock put it much in a
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good way but a bad way all at the same time,
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because what they're doing could be super good and super bad,
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and I think we all need to sit down and
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talk about it a little bit.
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And tonight here we are.
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Exactly. So it's a nice show, is to bring some
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awareness to what's going on. They don't really talk about
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it obviously in the mainstream, and so it's not like
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it was back in the day. And back in the day,
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you remember, you know, they had rivers flowing with ink
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and all of this, and it's very obvious what they
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were doing. They literally have the huge fires and stuff.
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Well that's not the way it's being done today. So
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uh but yeah, let me get into my material here
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so that we can get some here. So all right,
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so all right, let's see here. So Basically, the show
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tonight is called the War on Knowledge, because that's essentially
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the new word of book burning is war on knowledge
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is what it is. You know, who gets to keep it? Right?
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So we're gonna go into this now. I don't know
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if you guys have heard about this project. I can't
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remember what it's called now. I don't have it in
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front of me right now, but we'll get to that afterwards.
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Here Project Anchor, Pama panama an that's something else.
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There's so many project I'm looking right at it and
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you're like.
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No, okay, I don't have it in front of me
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right now, so I don't There's too many projects going
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on out there, you know what I mean, different areas here. Okay, yeah, okay,
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So don't worry about that. We're gonna get into all
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of that that that's what the government's doing. But there's
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other things going on as well. I'm sure you've heard
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of Joe Felsa's that's sort of the most recent fellow
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that has perished, I guess after showing us a whole
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pile of books. So I never knew who this guy was,
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so I'm not here to advocate for him. I have
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no idea, who he is, what he's all about. The
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only thing I'm bringing up about him tonight and some
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of the other people as well, because I don't know
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these people either, is just the fact about the books.
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That's the only thing that I'm looking into. Because I've
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seen some controversial stuff out there now, everybody's slagging him
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or or you know, the sy oups going on. There's
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so much going on out there. What to believe? And
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I never met this guy before, I never seen him,
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so I don't have any opinions about him whatsoever. And
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I don't really care what else he was into, you
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know what I mean. We're just going to talk about
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the books tonight. That's the main thing. So for those
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of you who are like, oh well, I'm not gonna watch, yeah,
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just to sim it down, okay, because we're just gonna
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be talking about the books tonight. So all right. So,
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for thousands of years, controlling information meant controlling books, because
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that's kind of how we've had our information up to today.
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I know it's a little different now, but books have
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been burnt by government, religion and conquering armies. Libraries have
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been destroyed. I'm sure you all heard about the Library
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of Alexandria. That's sort of the most famous one. I
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think about the book burning and whatever they didn't destroy there,
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I do believe will be under the Vatican libraries. I'm
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sure they probably have lots of material there, but it's
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not for you and I to read, though, So, you know,
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so a lot of libraries have been destroyed over years.
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You know, if you go and look back at the history,
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manuscripts have disappeared into private collections. Other books simply vanish
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because nobody thought they were important enough to preserve. Today,
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the battle of knowledge looks very different. Millions of books
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can be scanned into computers, which I guess in itself
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is a good thing because a lot of people prefer
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to read on the e reader, now, you know what
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I mean, rather than having, you know, having to store
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all the books. And I get that, you know what
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I mean, It is a lot more convenient just have
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it on your computer. Run to have to store them
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all and we can't. Everybody can't have a copy of everything,
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So I get that part of it, you know. I
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think we should have both. I think we should be
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in the balance here, you know, And so that's what
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we need to try and find it's a balance in this, right,
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you know, how far do we go here? Now? Other
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books simply vanished because nobody thought they were right. I
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said that today the battle over knowledge looks very different.
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Millions of books can be scanned into computer. Entire libraries
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can exist without a physical building. A rear book can
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once require traveling across the world, can pretendially be read
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from a phone. But that has created a new question now, right,
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So who owns human knowledge once everything becomes digital? That's
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the big question here? Right? So recently court record revealed
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as secretive an entropy program called Project Panama. So there
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you go, Project Panama, Project anchor what was that one?
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It must have been a different one that I was
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talking about the other day, because that's it may have
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been with Olsen that we were talking about that. Yeah,
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there's so many projects going on, and we do so
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many shows here that it's hard to keep track of
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all the different projects. But different, this one is Panama. Okay.
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So the company purchased enormous quantities of physical books. The
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bindings were removed, the pages were scanned at industrial speed.
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The physical books were then sent for recycling, as in,
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they destroyed them after Okay, So the purpose was to
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feed high quality written information into artificial intelligence systems. At
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almost the same time, independent people have been doing nearly
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the opposite the search for forgotten books. They buy them
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with their own money, they scan them, and then they
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give them back to the public for free. So that's
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what Joe was doing, right, And this is why it
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seems so odd that he's no longer with us. So
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we're going to get into him specifically in a minute here.
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But so that was Joe Fels, that's right. So he
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it just passed away last week, I believe, at forty
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years old. And from the little bit that I know
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about him, from what I've seen, just from snippets here
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and there, he always would mention that he would never
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hurt himself. You know what, I'm saying, That he's healthy,
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there's nothing going on, and that he would never do that,
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and if he did mysteriously disappear for what reason, that
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it would be the government's fault. He kept saying that
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in pretty much every single video that I've seen of him,
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and then all of a sudden he's gone. Now how
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he went, you know, who did it? That's all speculation.
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It just seems to suss to me that he did
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it himself. I don't think he did, but all the
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other stuff, you know, who knows, you know? So anyway,
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so he was preserving library remains online. So he actually
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has a website that I do believe is still alive.
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It's a live website. You can go on there now,
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and he has already I believe, scanned some books and whatnot,
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and they're still there. However, from what I've seen, again,
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I only know a little snippets because I wasn't following
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the guy. A lot of people are saying that they're
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going into his YouTube trying to find some of the
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old videos, and they've been scrubbed out, So you could ask, like,
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what the heck is going on? Apparently his girlfriend has
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taken over his accounts, hosting all kinds of stuff. Again,
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I don't know her, I don't know what they were
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up to. I don't know what's going on exactly, but
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she has access to the account, and now all of
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a sudden, a lot of the videos about the old
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books are disappearing. They're just vanishing. They're just been taken down.
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So make up your own conclusions there as to who's
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doing it and why right? You know what I mean?
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So yeah, so tonight we're gonna be looking at Joe. Okay,
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that's one of the guys. Another one is Aaron Schwartz,
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Richard Green, Project Gutenberg, Occult Archives and Internet Archives and
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Project Panama. Those are the things that we're gonna take
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a little looksie at tonight here. So now we're not
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claiming for liability reasons. Okay, we have to say this.
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We're not claiming at these depths we're connected, however, it
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does seem like on our but we are asking some
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questions here. So what happens when knowledge becomes valuable enough
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that corporations, governments, publishers, collectors and ordinary people all fight
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over who gets access to it? What do you think
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of that, Robert?
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I think you know there's more to this story than
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you think. That's what I think there is. There's it
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goes way deeper. That's That's what I'm getting at.
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It always does, doesn't that, you know? Once they just
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seem to keep going and going and going.
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Well, for my first off, I mean, uh, a thousand
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years ago, people people kept all the books in one
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big library. Alexander, you know that there wasn't many books. Now, Uh,
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you know we have libraries everywhere. But do kids still
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go and read the books? Do they read the books?
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When was the last Nina, When was the last time
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you went into the library.
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Well, you know, I'm old school, so I actually do
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go to the library once in a while, you know,
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even to get you can get photocopies, right, you know,
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instead of paying the big money for ink and whatever else,
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going the library and do it there. But I'm old school,
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and you're right, the young people probably don't even know
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what a library is.
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Okay, Well I got some more questions. Just don't run
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away with the train here. But you went to the library.
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When last time you went to the library?
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There's I'm getting someone going, I'm like a I'm like
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a lawyer in a courtroom, you know, I'm asking the
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questions through the jury here. Okay, you went, You went
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to the library, right, and you went to what made
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some folker to copies or whatever?
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You did you go to? Did you check out a book?
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Did you check out a book?
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No?
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I didn't, but you know, okay that that's what I
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wanted to when when you were there? Was there the place?
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Was the place packed? Or was there a couple of peoples,
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but there there still.
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Is a lot of people in there, to be honest, Yeah,
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there still is. Yeah, a lot of people like to
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hang out.
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You know.
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They have a lot of programs up in the library
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for mom and todts or kids. There'll be reading the time,
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and there's a lot of things going on. They're still
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keeping it busy. But I know where you're getting at.
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And the teenagers probably arms, you know, you're gonna find
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them there, But you'll find small children and you'll find
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older people who just want to sit somewhere and read
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a book and be quiet in the quietness, you know.
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So there is still that, and you know that is
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an option people if you've forgotten, there is free books.
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And if your book that you're looking for isn't available,
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all you have to do is go to your local
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library and they will request it and have it brought
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to your library, and if they don't have it in
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any other library, they'll actually buy it and put it
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in there. So if you're an author and you want
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your own book in the library, that's all you have
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to do and they'll bring it in, you know what
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I mean. So it's still a lot and it's still
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there and it's still free, so that is you can.
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And you can donate books to the library too, and you.
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Can probably donate books as well. Like if you pass
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away and you've got a huge library and you don't
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know what to don't enter your local library for sure,
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you know what I mean, Like because our kids aren't
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going to take them. I know my kids are probably
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gonna throw everything I have out unfortunately, So yeah, donate
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them to some to a library that's you know, where
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people are going to actually enjoy them, you know what
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I mean. So you know, after this show, I'm pretty
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sure everybody's gonna think, yeah, better not get rid of
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the books, right, you better keep on you know, collecting
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those books. But yeah, what's gonna happen to the physical books?
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You know once the corporation have all the digital copies
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right and they're destroying the original copies, so you know.
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So but anyways, before we jump ahead of ourselves here,
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if we're gonna get right into the Project Panama here, now,
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so what actually happened? So now the comp behind the
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Claude artificial intelligence system, so Claude, So that goes back
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to Claw book and moltebook and we've done shows on that.
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So if you haven't heard about those things, go and
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binge watch those. I might put them at the end
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of this show here so you can jump in there
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after to see what that's all about. If this is
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all new to you now. The court findings revealed that
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in twenty twenty four, on Tropic launched an internal book
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acquisition operating operation known as Project Panama. Internal planning material
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described an ambition to destructively scan books on an enormous
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scale while keeping the project out of public attention. This
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is why we're bringing this to your attention, because they're
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trying not to, okay. So on Tropic purchased books in
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huge quantities from used book suppliers, So they're going around
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to all the used bookstores, okay, and buying up all
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the copies they can get. And I wouldn't be surprised
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that that's also private collectors as well, maybe trying to
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get those as well. So On court records describe orders
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involving tens of thousands of books at a time. A
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scanning vendor proposed processing between five hundred thousand and two
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million books in six months, two million books in six months.
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The total number eventually scanned was reduced in portions of
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the court record. Although over Oh sorry, guys, we've got
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a thunderstorm going on here. I don't know if you
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guys can hear that, but it'll pass. You don't worry
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about it. Oh boy um reported by on those records
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described millions of physical books being acquired. So how the
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books were processed. Industrial equipment removed the spine. They literally
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cut the spine right off. Once the bindings was cut away,
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the pages could fit through the high scanning speed scanners.
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You know, I mean, the page became digital data. After scanning,
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the dismantled physical copies were scheduled for recycling. This is
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called destructive scanning. It's not literally a book burning because
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they don't have to burn anymore now. They just recycle,
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you know what I mean, Just a different word for
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the same thing is what it is. But the physical
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book does not survive the process, so it's the same
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darn thing. Okay, it's still in the words, right, So
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AI companies in the huge amount of written language. The
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Internet contains an enormous quantity of texts, but much of
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it is repetitive, poorly edited, and low quality. Internal AI
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company communications revealed that books were considered especially valuable because
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edited books contained structured arguments, professional writing, and information that
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may never be appeared freely online. So that is so true.
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It's you know, that's where all our information is is
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in these old books. Anything prior to eighteen hundred, I
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would say, don't get rid of don't get rid of it,
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like it's gonna be worth a lot of money. I
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would think in the future, if you're even allowed to
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have it, it might be a low saying, you know,
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allowed to have it anymore, it wouldn't be surprised. But
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we haven't quite gotten there yet. So now it's the
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copyright controversy. So and Tropic was also accused of acquiring
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millions of digital books to unauthorized online libraries. I didn't
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know that. There you go.
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That became sorry, that's not good. Unauthorized, Yeah, illegal, is
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it not?
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But you know, see, this is why they don't want
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you knowing about this stuff, right, because they're getting in trouble.
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From the looks of it here, somebody must have figured
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it out, but they became legally separate from the physical
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book it purchased and scanned. In twenty twenty five, a
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Federal Drudge found that using books to train AI could
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qualify as transformative fair use. But on Tropic still faces
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claims over the way it acquired pirateate copies, and Tropic
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later agreed to one point five billion million settlement with
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authors over these piracy allegations. So I guess it was
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worth it to them to pay out one point five
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billion in order to have all that information stored in
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the computer now in the AI. So you know they
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have the money. Money is nothing, it just flows. That
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means nothing to them. They have so much of it,
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you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, that means nothing.
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So one important distinction, There is currently not solid evidence
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that Tropic deliberately set out to destroy You need one
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of a kind now of course, so they have to
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say this liability allegedly and all this kind of stuff,
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you know what I mean. The documented fact is that
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enormous numbers our purchase physical books were dismantled after scanning.
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Antiquarian booksellers and preservation advocates are now asking what happened
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when obscure or out of print books become valuable air
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training material. So question, you know, if a company purchases
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a book, does it have the moral right to destroy it.
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I don't know if you want to answer all said,
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there's a bunch of questions here. I'm just going to
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say out the questions and you guys can calm it
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down below. Honestly too these things if you want to right,
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is it a different if another copy? Is it different
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if another copy exists? What happens when the book for
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which only a handful of surviving copies remain? Should AI
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companies be required to preserve the physical copy after digitalizing it?
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Who ultimately benefits the public or the corporation owning the AI? Well, okay,
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I'm going to answer some of this is that, yes,
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I do think that they should preserve the physical copy,
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especially if it's the only copy. Right, If we have
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a gazillion copies of it out there, yeah, then who
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cares one book? Right? But if that's the only copy
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that we have all that, then yeah, that should be
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treated like gold. I mean, it really is the only
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history we have, right, And not that we can really
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trust it either, But you know, because we really have
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to be discerning. We have Yeah, we talked about some
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stuff before here, but yeah, we really have to be
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discerning here. But so, yeah, if it's the only one.
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I do believe that. Yeah, that then it really should
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be uh preserved. And who ultimate benefits, Well, whoever owns
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AI owns all the information. Now those are the ones
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that benefit and we lose. There's not so much benefit.
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Who's losing. It's us? All right, what are you gonna say?
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Well, I want to say a few things here. There's
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some good things and bad things about it. Remember, if
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it's the only copy it's that's great. But if you
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could copy that copy, now you could share that information
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because the book itself, it's the information provided inside that
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book is what's important. It's not the book itself. So
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I beg to argue that the it's the information inside
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the book. The book is just the thing. It's the
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information that's valuable.
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Then yes, if you could share, yeah, but get what
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you say.
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But the part is is if you you have well,
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it's a bad consequence to scanning the book. It has
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to be you know, kind of gets destroyed getting scanned.
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The question is is, uh, once you scan it, you
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have it in there and you got the information, what
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are you going to do with that information? Are you
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going to keep that and hold that? Then nobody else
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ever has a chance to have that information.
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Yeah, the thing is is that this wouldn't be an issue.
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We wouldn't be doing a show at all on this.
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If the case was that they would upload it and
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then we would all have access to a free digital library.
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We wouldn't be doing a show about it. Because that's great.
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I think that's a great idea. Like I said in
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the beginning of the show, a lot of people nowadays
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prefer to use an e reader rather than having a
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physical book, and let's face it, we don't all have
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room for a library in our house. So I think
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that's a great idea what they're doing. Unfortunately, I think
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what's going to happen, So these are my words, my predictions.
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I guess what I think is going to happen here
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is that everything is going to be under subscription base.
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Every But I have to argue the point here, and
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you've got to be logical because it's like this, Okay,
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you just said there was a million books downloaded or
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hence there so and probably a million more since they
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really said information. But the point is is each one
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if they had to go out and buy those million books,
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even that a buck apiece, that's still million dollars plus more.
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No, I get it. Yeah.
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And and of course then where did the how did
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they recoup that money back their time effort? And uh,
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you know the cost of the books. Uh, you know
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two three four million books in there. Uh, someone like
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you're talking if this is a rare book, Say it's
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a rare Gutenberg Bible, and they want to.
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Scan that and it gets destroyed. There's only a few
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of them in existence, and you have to destroy it
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to to Uh. But well you'd have to charge for
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that because again you're telling me that they're going to
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scan these. You got to think logically a person say,
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say I have the Gutenberg Bible, right, I have it.
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You can't read it, no way are you ever going
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to read it? Because I'm not going to let it
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out of my house, so you will.
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I get what you're saying. Okay, But the thing is
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is that if the government can lose trillions of overnight,
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surely they can find maybe a couple of bucks to
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preserve our books and let the public view them for free.
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That's my that's just I get the corporations. It costs
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a lot, but there's a lot of money to be
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had and there's a lot of waste of money, okay,
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And so I we've had free libraries for the whole
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time we've been here so far, it's always been free libraries.
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And yeah, that costs the government. That's part of where
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your taxes go to, is to keep up the library,
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keep up ther leisure center, keep up the roads, keep
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up whatever. You know what I mean. The library is sacred.
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It's like the post office, you know, Like I don't know,
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it's just that should be free for everybody. Always has been, and.
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It has and it probably will continue to be that way.
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But like, is this and this is you know, this
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is the.
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Big point here is this all sounds all great not
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But the thing is, once it's digitalized, it's too easy
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to go in and change the information. This is why
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you have to have a hard copy of it so
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you can go back and make sure that it's all correct.
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Because they're going to go in and change things whatever
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serves your agenda, especially religion and all this, right, that's
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what they've been doing the whole time.
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Of course, don't change things.
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So take books out because oh no, that book doesn't
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go online with our agenda here, so we better put
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that book out that they've been doing that since day one,
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you know what I mean. So that's what I'm worried about.
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I don't trust the information after it's been downloaded.
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And in a way, you're right, You're exactly right.
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I mean, you can take a picture of you or
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me and we've done it before, and you put it
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in the chat GPT or something and said, here, take
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my image and make it through X, Y and Z.
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Well, and it does. It wouldn't be too hard far
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stretched to change some words here and there to make
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all you read. Sometimes it's just a page and rewrite.
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It, rewrite it. That's right. It's too easy to do that.
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So so here's here's the thing, though, I think, what
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what's going on here is somebody if this is capitalism,
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and it's it's best and it's worst all at the
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same time, capitalism says that I found an idea if
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I since you told me earlier that the kids aren't
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really going to the library to read, they're going there
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for other activities, and most of the people are reading
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online digitally, so some guy probably thought, hey, we'll just
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collect all the books, we'll download them online, and we'll
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charge a subscription for it.
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To recoup our money. And in the meantime, we'll advertise.
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And we'll do all these things on this you know,
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and and when people want the information will be the
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greatest thing on earth. And when the governments want that
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information change, we'll also charge to you know, physically change
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that information in each and every one of those books,
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because we only need one copy to spread across thousands
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and hundreds of thousands.
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I don't trust I don't trust I really, you know,
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I mean I that we need people. So we're gonna
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get into Joe Felts that we need people like that.
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And isn't that funny how all these people who are
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trying to do this for us, who are literally taking
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money out of their own pockets scanning these things, making
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up websites. That stuff is not cheap, okay, And he's
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putting it out there for free so people can read
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these old Bibles and old books and whatever for free.
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They seem to sort of disappear all of a sudden,
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even though they keep saying over and over again that
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they would never hurt themselves or whatever, and yet they
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seem to sort of fall into that same sort of thing.
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Now we're gonna get into Joe. Like I said, I
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don't know who Joe is, and all I know is
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that he was collecting books. That's the only thing I
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know about him. So please, don't, you know, spam the
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chat with this, that and the other thing about him,
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because I've seen there's there's a lot of controversy. But
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you got to remember that there's gonna be a lot
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of sy ups, right. They're gonna try to smear him
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and try and make him look like whatever to you
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know what I mean, to further their agenda. So you
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gotta remember that they don't read and take everything to heart,
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you know what I mean. So the only thing that
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we know here is that Joe Fels was an entrepreneur.
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He was a solar energy educator and online creator. He
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also developed an interest in old and unusual books. He
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preserved project became known as the Fels Library, and I
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do believe that's still active and live. I believe unless
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the wife took it down. I don't know. I'll have
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to watch out for that one there. But the Surviving
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Project describes his purpose simply finding rare and antique books,
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digitalizing in them, and making them available for anyone to read. Okay,
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So what he collected. His personal collection includes material dealing
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with freemasonry, spiritualism, physical research, religion, AI history, mysticism, science,
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and early American history, like all the stuff that we're into.
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That's the stuff that he was collecting books on, you
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know what I mean, the early American history. See, that's
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something that you're doing a show on the weekly on,
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you know, to try to preserve some of that stuff.
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Well they don't. They probably don't want that, right, No, No,
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we gonna forget about that because once you start seeing
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what they did in the past and they see how
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well it was working and they're not doing it now,
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it makes you question things, right, So I'll ask you
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why we're not doing that?
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So you know.
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So, the Surviving Fels Library identified twelve volumes that Joe
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personally sought out and released before his death. His friends
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and supporters have continued adding public domain material to the
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archive since then. Oh what do you got going on?
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I can hear something.
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Oh I'm clicking up the thing for Joe Phelps.
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Oh okay, yeah, we could hear some audio, so make
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sure the audios are sorry it came up him. Yeah, okay,
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all right. So his philosophy, so The project was built
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around a simple concern. Old books can quietly disappear. A
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title may stop being printed, library copies can be discarded,
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private collectors can become insuccessible, and any obscure book can
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effectively vanish, even though a few physical copies technically still exist.
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Digitizing the material creates another survival route. So you know,
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digitizing it can be great if it's used for good.
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But I don't trust the government and their project Panama. Okay,
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I don't trust that that's gonna Like you said, you're
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already talking about charging for it. You imagine what they're thinking.
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It's out of reach for the regular person.
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It's a it's a it's a simple concept. I mean,
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think about it.
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You know, everybody who has an e reader wants to
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read these books or be in contact with this information,
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just has to pay, say a dollar a month or
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dollar or two. It's really cheap, and you can access
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this ginormous library right from your home, et cetera, et cetera.
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You know how much people well you know how much
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people pay for a book on on on Amazon for
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one book, you know, let's get it in.
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I mean if they don't, so that it is reasonable,
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so that maybe it's cheaper than buying the physical book. Okay,
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all right, you know what I mean. But well it
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remains to be seen. I mean, we don't know what
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they're gonna do with it yet, right, This is very.
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Netflix does that, the same thing, Netflix, Hulu, any of them.
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They charge you a minimal fee and you think, wow,
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for fifteen bucks, you know, I could rent a you know,
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the rental is like a dollar or two bucks or something,
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and I can just get Netflix and watch movies all
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day and all night, twenty four hours a day. It's great. Uh,
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you know, but they're making money on that. They got
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half of America millions upon millions, one hundred million people
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or so subscribe to Netflix, all paying twenty bucks a month.
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That you know how much generating.
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That's true? That is that is very very true. Yeah,
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So anyways, we're not gonna you harp on that anymore.
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You want to see Joe Phelps? Uh here, I have
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him clicked up.
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Yeah, you guys watched the visuals there what I'm talking.
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So.
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Joe's death was announced on August third, this month. He's
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forty years old, and on August the seventh, Paulding County
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Corner's office confirmed that he did it himself. Okay, you
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can look into the Oh you got audio.
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On a game I do audios on, Well, I got
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it off on the thing, so there you go. Sorry,
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that's just coming through my speakers. But this is him
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doing the book videos.
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It goes. You got double audio coming in and out.
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So yeah, just make sure it's clicked off. So all right,
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so you guys can look into the reason what he
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what he did. Okay, I'm not going to get into
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that here because you two will take this down. That
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makes it different from an unresolved homicide case. Okay, well yeah,
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if they just say, yeah, that's what it is, and
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they're not gonna look into it, and then that's it.
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That's the thing. They're just gonna bury him and not
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look into it. If the coroner said that that's what
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it was, now we can debate until the cows come
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home on that. You know, we don't know. I don't
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know any more about that than you do.
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So well, well, you know, I got a thing on here.
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You know, I'm digging into this Joe Phelps thing a
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little bit, and I don't know if I got it
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on here or not. Okay, and oh maybe that one
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didn't record, But anyway, he has one on here that's
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just a little bit crazy, and it's he's showing some
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kind of alien figures because he lives down in uh,
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South America and Panama.
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Yeah, yeah, and he was showing sculptures of alien figures.
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And then there's another video where he is going to
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a free Mason Masonic lot.
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Like I said, like I said at the beginning of
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the video, I don't know there it is, there it is.
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There's a lot of controversial about this guy. I don't
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know if he was a freemasoner, I don't know what
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he was.
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But look at look at the stuff he was showing
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on here. Do you see this this Oh.
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He's down in South America and he's showing this uh
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crazy rock thing that he's dug up or something. And
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and and you got to wonder, are we looking at
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the wrong thing? Is he trying to show that he
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found a proof of aliens? And uh, you know, the
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the all seeing eye and all of this thing.
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Here you go.
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And if it was me, I would be like, we
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got to get rid of this guy. He's too close
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to the truth.
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That's exactly what they did because we're going to get
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into what was in the books. I'm gonna mention specific
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some of the Bible stuff what he found in there,
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and then you can make up your own mind as
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to who you think did it. Okay, well, yeah, so
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it's more to it than just the books. He's found
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a lot of things. He was coming out with it,
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showing it to everybody, as you can see here. Like
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I said, I don't know any more than you know
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the rest of you. I never follow this guy's I
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have no idea, but I do know now. They brought
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him to my attention, now, you know what I mean.
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So sometimes when they're on the living people like that,
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they're doing themselves a disservice because I didn't know anything
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about him before, but I sure do now. Same with
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Oliver Tree that we did a video about. I have
626
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no idea who he was either before, but I sure
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do now, you know. So they're just bringing all this
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to our awareness to be honest, you know. Like so yeah, anyways,
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I'm not going to get into all the other stuffers,
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There's going to be a lot of people maybe commenting saying, oh,
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he was a freemasoner, or he was this, or he
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was that or they were into this and there. Yeah,
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they maybe had a really weird lifestyle. I don't know,
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and I don't really care. The only part that I
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care about is the books that he was trying to
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give up for free, you know what I mean. That's
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kind of where this shows about. Now. So let's see
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how far did I get in here now? Then, So
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there's no evidence obviously, you know that his death. You know,
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there's no evidence because they're not doing any investigation. They
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just accinated said he did himself. Nothing to see here, folks, right,
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so there is no evidence of anything. So you know,
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we can't really get into that too much, right, But
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he was spending his own time and money bringing forgotten
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books into the circulation. His philosophy was essentially, I find it,
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preserve it, and share it. And that is exactly what
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they don't want. They want to have the monopoly here, right, So,
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like you said, you're already talking about ooh, them cashing
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in on this. You're already thinking that, so you imagine
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what they're thinking, and they don't want Joe or whoever
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else out there, you know, a buying the books and
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then scanning them and showing them to you for free.
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That doesn't serve them, right, So it all comes down
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to the money. You got to follow the money, you
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know what I mean. So that's why they didn't like him.
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So let's see where are we here now, so we
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can ask why are ordinary people suddenly becoming a digital
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librarian so well? I mean, why wouldn't you if you
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got the time and the money, Why wouldn't you? You know,
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would Joe's books have disappeared without someone? Uh, without someone
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like him? Again? We don't know. You know what does
662
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a cult and alternative history materials seem especially vulnerable to
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dispearing from ordinary libraries? Why does because they don't want
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to know the information, right, especially, like I said, once
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we get into the the Bible stuff, what it says
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in the old Bibles very very interesting. We're gonna get
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into that for sure. I know that might get me
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in trouble, but I don't care. Does preserving something online
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guarantee you will remain accessible forever?
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Well?
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No, I mean they can change the material. They can,
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you know, all of a sudden, oops, we had a
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computer crash. Everything's gone. Sorry, right, there's so many things
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that can happen, you know. So there's pros and cons
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for digital as well as physical copies. Right, there's pros
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and cons on both, and I do think it's a
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good idea to have both, just the case one of
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the other craps out, you know what I mean. So
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it is a good idea. It's just that I don't
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trust it when it's in the government's hands that I
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don't trust. Now we're gonna get into So he's not
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the only one. He's just the most recent one that
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has disappeared because of this sort of stuff. We also
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have Aaron Schwartz, and again I never really heard about them.
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Air Schwartz was a programmer, internet activist, and open access advocate.
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He became involved with internet technology while still extremely young.
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He later became deeply involved in the belief that publicly
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important information should be freely accessible rather than locked behind
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expensive databases see Okay JStar. In twenty ten and twenty eleven,
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Schwartz used MIT's computer network to download material from the
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Academy database JSTR. JSTR says the download included more than
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four million Academy articles, reviews, and other documents. Federal prosecutor
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charged Sports with multiple computer related felonies. The Justice Department
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alleged that he had exploited MIT's network to obtain more
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than four million JSTR documents, a crucial part of that store.
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JSTR recovered the material. JSTR reached a civil settlement which Schwartz.
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JSTR later stated that it did not want the material
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did not want the matter to continue as a criminal case.
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The federal prosecutor nevertheless continued the pressure. MIT's official independent
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review later described the federal investigation and prosecuting as vigorous.
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Schwartz faced charges that could have resulted in years of imprisonment.
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Roughly the last two years of his life. The criminal
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case hung over him. So January eleventh, twenty thirteen, so
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it was a while ago. Okay, Aaron Schwartz died by
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doing it himself at the age of twenty six, twenty
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six years old. Okay. MIT investigation states that only Schwartz
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himself could ultimately know why he did that. Well, of
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course right. The reports also acknowledges that he had been
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subject to intensive federal prosecution during the final two years.
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His prosecution generated enormous criticism members of Congress questioning whether
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computer crime law and prosecutional powers were being used to
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aggressively proposed reform became known as Aaron's Law. The American
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Library Association posthumorously honored him. The Internet Society induced him
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into the Internet Hall of Fame. Oh I didn't see.
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I didn't even know who he was, right until you
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start looking into here the question Aaron left behind. If
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taxpayer finances research, okay, why should ordinary people have to
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pay again to read it? Good question, That's what I'm saying.
719
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:56.679
We've always had free library. All the books have always
720
00:41:56.760 --> 00:41:58.519
been for free. If you go to the library. Yeah,
721
00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:01.239
you can buy your own personal cop be sure. But
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00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:04.280
if you don't have the money, no worries, you can
723
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go to the library and request it any book. Okay,
724
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So that's the thing. So yeah, so I've already fun
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something too.
726
00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:18.039
We just gotta we were getting used to the See,
727
00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:20.519
we've been used to the free. It's like water.
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00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:21.239
You know.
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00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:24.400
Years ago, somebody would laugh at you if you said, hey,
730
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:27.559
you know, can I get some water? Today they say, huh,
731
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there's a price tang for that water. Water is not
732
00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:31.840
free anymore. You go to the store and buy the
733
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bottle for three bucks.
734
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Yeah, well, I disagree with all of that. It's the
735
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:39.280
greed has just gotten out of hand. And I do
736
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:41.960
realize that pretty soon we're gonna have to have a
737
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:44.400
subscription for the water. We're gonna have to have a
738
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subscription for the air that we're breathing. Okay, they're gonna
739
00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:50.960
cash in on it. You better believe it. It's coming
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00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:54.679
unless you, guys, you don't do anything about it. Stand
741
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:58.320
up and say anything, Go to your local you know, politicians,
742
00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:00.960
and try to do something about it rather than just
743
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:04.239
listening to show after show after show, right and just
744
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:08.239
looking for some entertainment, you know, get involved, right, That's
745
00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:10.119
kind of what these shows are all about, is to
746
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:13.159
wake you up a little bit and to get you
747
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:16.719
excited about these things, you know what I mean? So,
748
00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:23.400
what's Schwartz a criminal hacker or an information activist? Should
749
00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:28.360
public funded research automatically become public property? When does copy
750
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:34.920
copyright protection become information control? How much legal punishment is
751
00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:38.679
appropriate when no physical property has been taken? So these
752
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:41.800
are all, you know, questions regarding Schwartz. Well, he's no
753
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:44.519
longer here now, now we have other people. We're just
754
00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:46.920
gonna move on because I know time is ticking here.
755
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:54.119
We got Richard Lanceline Green, the actual unresolved case. So
756
00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:57.480
Richard Green is different from Joe Felts and Aaron Schwartz.
757
00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:02.559
His death was never conclusively classic five as unaliving or
758
00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:07.239
done by somebody else. They never figured that out. And
759
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:09.599
I'll tell you why, and you'll see in a second.
760
00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:12.039
Here is like, this is one of those things that
761
00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:16.000
I'm baffled about, and it's such a very gruesome Green
762
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:19.199
was considered one of the world's leading authorities on Sir
763
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Arthur Conan Doyle and Sherlock Holmes. He spent decades collecting books, letters, photographies,
764
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:33.039
and manuscripts connected with Doyle. The Conan Doyle Papers, a
765
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valuable collection of previously inaccessible Conan Doyle papers, were scheduled
766
00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:43.599
for auction. Green believed important pieces of that material should
767
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instead have gone to the British Library where researchers and
768
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:51.119
the public could study them. He tried to investigate the
769
00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:55.599
history and ownership of the documents he attempted to preserve
770
00:44:55.840 --> 00:45:01.599
to prevent or challenge the sale. So this is why
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people don't do what I just said earlier, because they're
772
00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:05.519
word that this is going to happen to them. And
773
00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:10.079
I get it. I do get that, Okay, So what
774
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:13.440
happened before his death. During the final period of his life,
775
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Green told friends and family that he believed he was
776
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:21.079
being watched. He expressed fear about American figure connected in
777
00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:24.840
his mind to the but an American figure connected in
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00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:27.079
his mind to the dispute. I don't know who this
779
00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:31.280
American figure is. But accounts of his final days describe
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00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:38.320
increasing fear and unusual behavior. And yeah, and feltsa the
781
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:41.239
same thing. Wilcock had the same thing. And once you
782
00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:46.280
start like everybody's very paranoid in the weeks and days
783
00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:50.760
prior to you know, we got to take that into account. Okay,
784
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:55.199
we can't dismiss this anymore. So Green was found unlived
785
00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:58.760
in his London home. A cord was around his next
786
00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:06.519
very SIMI to Felts, I guess the circumstances resemble. Okay,
787
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:10.400
this is something I've never heard of, this Garreting. Have
788
00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:12.480
you heard of Garreting?
789
00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:15.199
No?
790
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No, I had neither. So, yeah, you guys can look
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up what that is.
792
00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:21.159
Uh.
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Investigators consideraboth murder and unusual elaborate on a living scenario.
794
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They don't know if somebody did it to him, or
795
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if he managed to somehow do this to himself. Look
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00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:39.599
it up, Garreting? What garreting is? The coroner described it
797
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as a very unusual death. There was insufficient evidence to
798
00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:47.280
determine whether Green had been murdered or if he had
799
00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:50.360
done it himself. The official finding was there for an
800
00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:56.599
open verdict. What makes this case different? It really is unresolved.
801
00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:00.480
Green really was involved in a dispute about historic documents
802
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:04.480
immediately before his death. He really did report fears before dying,
803
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:07.599
but none of those facts proved that he was murdered
804
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:11.559
for trying to keep the papers publicly accessible. There are
805
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:20.199
also serious reasons investigators considered unliving themselves. Okay, the evidence
806
00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:26.239
simply never established wish explanation was correct. The strange ending.
807
00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:30.920
Much of the material Green wanted accessible to scholars ultimately
808
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did become available through public institutions. His own enormous Conan
809
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Doyle collection also became an important scholar resource. Did you
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00:47:41.719 --> 00:47:42.599
look up Garretting?
811
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No?
812
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:47.840
No, I didn't know. Yeah, I'm trying to give me that.
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00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:52.039
I think it's I think it's I don't even want
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00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:55.239
to say it because I think it's pretty horrific. It's
815
00:47:55.559 --> 00:48:01.000
something with gorging or you know, gouging something somewhere. It's
816
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:08.199
one of those things that you don't hear too much about. So, yeah,
817
00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:10.159
I don't know if we want to. I think I'm
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00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:11.440
going to move on to the next year.
819
00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:17.800
Answer for it. Yeah, sorry, I'll get it sooner or later. Okay,
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00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:18.840
I'll get it.
821
00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:24.440
We'll get to the Internet is really love lately? Okay?
822
00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:25.760
Yeah.
823
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The people quietly saving the world's books Michael Hart and
824
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Project Gutenberg. So here are we going into your Gutenberg?
825
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You were mentioning that. So these things have been going
826
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on since day one, since since we started reading and writing.
827
00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:42.760
This has been going on. So in nineteen seventy one,
828
00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:46.920
Michael Hart launched what became Project Gutenberg. There's another project
829
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:49.920
for you guys. There's so many projects. I can't keep
830
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:55.440
trackling them all. His idea was a revolutionary take public
831
00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:59.320
domain literature, convert it into digital text, and give it away.
832
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:01.280
So there's an other one that wanted to give it
833
00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:04.760
away for free, you see. Project Gutenberg described Heart as
834
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:09.199
the founder of the ebook movements. Their organization continued to
835
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distremely public domain books free of charge. He died in
836
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twenty eleven at the age of sixty four. Contemporary reporting
837
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:20.360
attributed his death to a heart attack. There's no credible
838
00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:23.559
mystery surrounding his death. Now, okay, so you see, well,
839
00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:25.639
you know he was sixty four, and I guess you
840
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:28.840
know it is that cliche of middle aged men dying
841
00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:31.639
of heart attacks, you know. I mean, so you know,
842
00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:33.920
we don't know, but we also know that they have
843
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:38.039
technology of inducing heart attacks, making it look like it's
844
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:42.079
a national cause. So again, we don't know whether or
845
00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:44.639
not this guy's was taken out or did he just
846
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:47.840
happen to die early. I mean, you know, which can't happen.
847
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:51.960
So his inclusion matter because it prevents us from creating
848
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:54.840
a false pattern. Many people have spent their lives giving
849
00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:57.800
away books and have not died mysteriously. That is very,
850
00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:07.239
very true. Then you get the ia PSOP preserving occult knowledge.
851
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:12.480
There's an organization called the International Association for the Preservation
852
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:21.079
of Spiritualists and Occult Periodical or ia PSOP, trying to
853
00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:26.639
remember that if exists, it exists specifically to preserve old
854
00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:33.639
material dealings with spiritualism, occultism, new thought, alchemy, mesmerism, physical research,
855
00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:40.079
esoteric philosophy, early alternative religious movements, and that whole thing
856
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:44.079
I just said says. It was formed after researchers realized
857
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:47.760
that libraries were removing some of these old periodicals from
858
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:53.119
circulation or even from their collections. See, this is the thing.
859
00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:56.719
We think that the library contains everything, right from day
860
00:50:56.760 --> 00:51:01.519
one till today. No, it doesn't. They have already even
861
00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:05.199
taken out books, physical books out of the library, the
862
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:09.199
ones that they think that we can't handle or you know,
863
00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:12.840
it's gonna make us think more. You know, they don't
864
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:15.360
want those things in there, or if it can contradict
865
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:19.199
their religion or their political agenda or whatever, you know
866
00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:21.519
what I mean. So they've been doing this since day one.
867
00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:23.760
It's just that we didn't have the internet and we
868
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:26.519
weren't talking like we are now, so we didn't know
869
00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:29.440
that this was going on. And this is why we're
870
00:51:29.480 --> 00:51:32.400
doing this show to bring this to people's awareness that
871
00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:38.760
this is in high gear right now. So all right,
872
00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:40.480
so where are we gonna volunteers begin?
873
00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:44.519
Okay, oh got it? Guttering? You're talking about guttering, not
874
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:46.599
getter guarantee, grating.
875
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:48.360
I don't know how to Yeah, let's see if I
876
00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:50.639
can find guttering.
877
00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:55.280
Guttering like gutters A R R O T I N
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00:51:55.480 --> 00:51:58.880
G guarantee guaranteeing.
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00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:02.719
G A R R two R O T I N
880
00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:05.079
G guaranting garroting.
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00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:08.760
Okay, I spelled it wrong, and there was none in
882
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:11.119
the thing, and it kept coming up and kept saying, no,
883
00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:13.480
you're wrong. This is it's guttering.
884
00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:19.440
Oh so that's someone who is being underlied by strangulation,
885
00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:23.519
typically with an iron collar or or a length of
886
00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:27.039
a wire or cord. I thought it was something else.
887
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:35.119
It's not the weapon or device, it's the act itself, a.
888
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:40.760
Punishment because it'll handheld with a rope, which is something
889
00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:44.239
strangulation something rather, but it's I guess it's very hard
890
00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:47.679
to do it yourself. And so so the question was
891
00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:51.119
did somebody do it to him or did he somehow
892
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:55.320
I orchestrated where he did it himself. But it would
893
00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:59.639
be a very elaborate kind of stage like kind of
894
00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:03.239
thing like it's it's it's very hard to do it yourself,
895
00:53:03.320 --> 00:53:05.239
I think, is what the whole point of it is.
896
00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:09.199
And this is why his death has never been concluded
897
00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:12.039
as to if you did it himself or not. They
898
00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:15.039
still don't know. Yeah, so that that's what that is.
899
00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:20.360
So yeah, so great. Oh yeah, no, now I've lost
900
00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:22.039
my place now I got to go back down to
901
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:25.639
where I was. Oh, my goodness, where I was.
902
00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:32.639
Sorry, Yes, it's a it's a yeah, it's a.
903
00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:37.800
I guess the Internet archive and the copyright war. I
904
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:40.199
guess we're getting down to how long in the show
905
00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:42.280
are we already because we might have to wrap this
906
00:53:42.440 --> 00:53:45.000
up over almost done an hour. Yeah, we're gonna wrap
907
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:51.239
this up real quick. So they talk about, you know,
908
00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:56.000
controlled digital lending. I mean, like I said, I it's
909
00:53:56.039 --> 00:53:59.440
good to have digital as well as physical. I mean
910
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:01.280
there's brows and goes to both of those, and I
911
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:04.960
think we should have them both. Whether or not you know,
912
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:07.519
we should be charging. That's a whole another thing. I
913
00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:10.159
feel that we pay enough in taxes that we should
914
00:54:10.239 --> 00:54:11.880
be able to have free library.
915
00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:16.039
Again, like I said, it's the government. The libraries are
916
00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:17.559
not going to go away, and I'm sure they'll be
917
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:18.880
digitals already.
918
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:22.880
To be surprised that the libraries will be gone. Everything
919
00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:25.360
just digital is coming up in the future. I can
920
00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:25.960
guarantee you that.
921
00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:29.719
Again, I don't think the libraries will be gone.
922
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:33.960
I think the non popular books will be in the library,
923
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:37.880
like the every day you know, uh, something that is
924
00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:41.360
important will be in the library, but things that are
925
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:44.119
important and have more knowledge, like hey, I want to
926
00:54:44.159 --> 00:54:47.360
learn about electricity and how it works, or I need
927
00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:50.199
to really study up on Tesla. You might find one
928
00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:52.960
book in the library, or maybe the library will become
929
00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:55.159
all digital. But if you want to find the really
930
00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:58.639
good stuff, it's going to be paid for, just like
931
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:02.719
like now, if you want a good book and it's
932
00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:06.440
you go to Amazon and you want that book, it's
933
00:55:06.519 --> 00:55:07.239
not in the library.
934
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:09.639
You got to pay for it. You want the audio,
935
00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:13.159
you want the digital file, you want it on your own.
936
00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:17.519
Like I said, people don't realize is that there is
937
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:21.760
no such thing as it's not available in the library.
938
00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:24.079
What happens is, yeah, the library's not going to sit
939
00:55:24.159 --> 00:55:27.000
there and purchase every book that's been written. No, the
940
00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:29.760
only way is going to make it to the library
941
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:32.519
is somebody like you and I go in there and
942
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:36.840
request it. Then they'll purchase the book. It'll be in
943
00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:39.039
the library, and it will be spread around to all
944
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:42.400
the libraries around the world, or at least within your country.
945
00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:44.239
I don't know how that works with the international thing,
946
00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:47.599
but that's the only the way that your book will
947
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:50.760
get into the library. So if you are an author, okay.
948
00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:53.199
Or you are somebody that would like to read a
949
00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:55.079
book but you can't afford it. You can't afford to
950
00:55:55.119 --> 00:55:58.079
go on Amazon, you don't have a credit card, no worries.
951
00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:01.840
Go to your library, request that book. They'll buy it
952
00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:03.719
and bring it in and you can rent it for
953
00:56:03.800 --> 00:56:06.280
free for a full three weeks, and then if you're
954
00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:08.480
still not done with that, you can go and check
955
00:56:08.559 --> 00:56:10.639
it out and do it again for another three you
956
00:56:10.760 --> 00:56:13.079
know what I mean. So there is no such thing.
957
00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:16.119
It's not available because they they but people don't realize
958
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:18.159
that the library is there and that you can do
959
00:56:18.360 --> 00:56:21.920
this right on purpose, on purpose. They want to phase
960
00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:24.519
it out because they don't really want us to be
961
00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:27.039
able to have access to these old books.
962
00:56:27.159 --> 00:56:31.639
Right So, but but again you have to again. Library
963
00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:33.920
is slow, today's pace.
964
00:56:34.360 --> 00:56:37.679
Yea, Yeah, it's going to take a week to get
965
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:38.079
that book.
966
00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:41.519
Yeah, because right now I can get on the computer
967
00:56:41.639 --> 00:56:44.760
and I can stroll through a thousand books that I
968
00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:47.760
might be interested in reading and then put in the
969
00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:50.360
to the algorithm what I might like and what I
970
00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:52.880
might read, and blah blah blah to find a good title.
971
00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:56.039
But uh, if I go in the library and you
972
00:56:56.360 --> 00:56:58.519
you've been there. I've stood in front of the library
973
00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:00.639
books is scanning and looking for an hour.
974
00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:03.679
No, no, no, you know, but you know, we got
975
00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:07.920
our heads. We have to get out of this whole
976
00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:12.519
instant everything. We got to go back to you slow
977
00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:17.039
things down. Yes, a few weeks for that book to
978
00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:20.320
get in. So what you're still gonna be around, aren't you?
979
00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:20.800
Like?
980
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:23.039
What's the rush? Do you have to have that right now?
981
00:57:23.239 --> 00:57:23.280
Like?
982
00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:25.840
And and do things ahead of time? So if you
983
00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:27.880
have a deadline, like I say, you're going to school
984
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:31.119
and you got exams coming up, then you need to
985
00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:35.400
request these books if you if you don't have them already, weeks, months,
986
00:57:35.679 --> 00:57:39.119
maybe even years before you need them, right, you don't
987
00:57:39.159 --> 00:57:41.079
wait until a minute you need it. So this is
988
00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:43.639
what we need to change the way that we're thinking.
989
00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:49.000
Yeah, but what I mean I'm gonna I'm gonna. I
990
00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:50.800
hate to be the advocate of arguing.
991
00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:50.960
Yea.
992
00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:51.280
I know.
993
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:55.119
What I'm saying is I'm the student I'm going to
994
00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:57.639
I mean, hey, you know what kind of show would
995
00:57:57.679 --> 00:57:59.400
this be if I had the same opinion as you?
996
00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:02.559
But I'm saying is if I'm a student and I'm
997
00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:04.880
going I'm just putting myself in that position, and I'm
998
00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:08.119
going I'm researching a book or I'm doing a paper
999
00:58:08.199 --> 00:58:11.400
and pick a guy, uh, any guy, And I say, well,
1000
00:58:11.800 --> 00:58:13.639
you know, I need to research this guy. And I
1001
00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:15.920
get on the computer and I look up a thousand
1002
00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:19.119
Oh my gosh, here's five hundred books written about this guy.
1003
00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:21.840
And I want to go to the So I go
1004
00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:23.800
to so I get ambitious and I go to the
1005
00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:26.519
library and they say, well, I got this list. I
1006
00:58:26.599 --> 00:58:28.920
get out this list and I look at it and
1007
00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:31.239
I say, well, here's my five hundred wish books list.
1008
00:58:31.519 --> 00:58:34.079
I need to check out these three or four that
1009
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:36.559
are priority. And I got to have that book thing
1010
00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:38.920
done like next week. And they said, well, yeah, the
1011
00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:40.480
books will be here next week.
1012
00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:43.360
They're free. Well, I got to still write the paper.
1013
00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:45.320
We now the new corporation.
1014
00:58:46.280 --> 00:58:50.599
There's your subscription and for five bucks you can look
1015
00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:53.199
at all five hundred books today.
1016
00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:55.800
And what am I going to do?
1017
00:58:56.119 --> 00:59:00.760
Well that you know we have the now right, so
1018
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:04.360
you know, these things aren't usually an issue anymore because
1019
00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:06.199
we just go onto the internet and we get all
1020
00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:08.760
the information, you know what I mean. This would be
1021
00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:13.679
extra stuff like say the books that you know aren't
1022
00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:16.559
on the Internet yet, you know, because clearly because they're
1023
00:59:16.679 --> 00:59:19.000
doing it now right now, they're starting to scan everything,
1024
00:59:19.079 --> 00:59:22.280
and we might have access to more stuff now than
1025
00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:24.639
we did, say two years ago, you know, before they
1026
00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:29.320
started doing this. But those rare ones that haven't been digitized,
1027
00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:30.760
you know, those are the ones that you want to
1028
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:32.599
get in the library, right because you're not going to
1029
00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:35.679
find those anywhere else. But anyways, let's let's just move
1030
00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:41.199
on because this has just taken too long. So let's
1031
00:59:41.239 --> 00:59:44.280
see where I want to start with this. So the
1032
00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:46.920
pandemic changed the dispute, so that's the thing, Like we
1033
00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:50.599
let's just go back six years people, Okay, March the
1034
00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:54.599
twenty twenty, right when the schools and the library is closed, right,
1035
00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:59.280
the Internet Archives temporary created the National Emergency Library. Did
1036
00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:03.119
you know that the Internet are contemporarily created the National
1037
01:00:03.239 --> 01:00:05.960
Emergency Library. Yeah, because all of a sudden, we're not
1038
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:07.960
allowed to go to school, we can't go to the library,
1039
01:00:08.519 --> 01:00:10.360
you know. They I didn't even know that either, that
1040
01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:12.880
they that they did that, so that that's actually good.
1041
01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:16.760
But you know, it removed the normal one copy one
1042
01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:20.519
borrow restriction allowed many users to borrow the same digital
1043
01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:25.840
book simultaneously, and the publisher sued. I didn't know that
1044
01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:30.679
either publisher suit over this. So there you go, you know,
1045
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:31.039
and that.
1046
01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:37.079
Makes so sad. The restriction allowed many users to borrow
1047
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:42.360
the same digital book simultaneously. I don't know. I don't
1048
01:00:42.440 --> 01:00:44.320
understand that that that I don't understand.
1049
01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:52.639
I I don't know, uh, book they're what they're doing
1050
01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:55.000
is pirrating, is what it is. Right, you buy the
1051
01:00:55.079 --> 01:00:58.559
one book and then you scan a whole bunch of copies. Yeah,
1052
01:00:58.719 --> 01:01:01.559
so you've only bought the one copy, right, but now
1053
01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:04.599
you've got thousands and thousands of students. They're all reading
1054
01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:06.760
your book, but you're not getting any money from it.
1055
01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:08.039
I see.
1056
01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:10.599
That's what I would do the music industry. You know,
1057
01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:13.119
all of a sudden, one person is going to CD,
1058
01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:15.920
but you're copying it to all your friends. Right, that's
1059
01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:16.320
what we go.
1060
01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:21.199
What was that big one in the that came out
1061
01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:24.960
many years ago when they were doing that, it was
1062
01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:27.880
a collection you just download your music in there, whatever
1063
01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:28.280
you had.
1064
01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:31.920
Yeah, this was an issue, right because I mean yeah,
1065
01:01:32.119 --> 01:01:36.239
and they put them out of a napster. Napster, wasn't
1066
01:01:36.280 --> 01:01:36.840
it napster?
1067
01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:39.960
I can't remember what it was because I don't download music.
1068
01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:42.119
I don't do all that stuff. I am old school.
1069
01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:44.119
I like my CDs, you know.
1070
01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:46.000
Well, yeah, I'm still paying.
1071
01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:49.639
For this physical CD and the same I have old
1072
01:01:49.719 --> 01:01:53.480
collection of DVDs too. Anyways, let's let's just move on now.
1073
01:01:53.559 --> 01:01:58.239
So the courts, Okay, the Federal Appeal Court rule against
1074
01:01:58.280 --> 01:02:01.480
the Internet Archive in twenty twenty for I didn't know
1075
01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:03.639
this either, this is all going on, We didn't know.
1076
01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:06.719
The court held that its book lending practice was not
1077
01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:10.639
protected as fair use in the form being challenged. The
1078
01:02:10.760 --> 01:02:14.280
Internet Archive decided not to ask the US Supreme Court
1079
01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:18.000
to review that decision, effectively ending the phase of the
1080
01:02:18.119 --> 01:02:21.360
legal battles. So it was just a short term but yeah,
1081
01:02:21.480 --> 01:02:23.599
I guess a lot of people were upset about this.
1082
01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:30.559
So yeah, so Internet Archive, you know, obviously scanning books,
1083
01:02:31.239 --> 01:02:34.639
preserving and physical books, attempt to lend digital copies to
1084
01:02:34.760 --> 01:02:38.280
human readers. The Project Panama is buying them all up,
1085
01:02:38.559 --> 01:02:41.760
you know, scanning and then cutting them up and recycling it,
1086
01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:47.159
you know, which is really I sure, hope that's some
1087
01:02:47.199 --> 01:02:49.400
of the books that we only have one copy of.
1088
01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:52.960
I mean, I don't mind if we have multiple copies
1089
01:02:53.039 --> 01:02:55.639
of them, but if it's the ones that we only
1090
01:02:55.719 --> 01:02:56.239
have one.
1091
01:02:56.880 --> 01:03:01.599
Then oh man, yeah, well, and and again and again.
1092
01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:04.760
With having one copy, nobody else is going to read,
1093
01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:07.920
nobody's reading it. And then the second part is here,
1094
01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:11.559
here's one last thing about a book. And I collect
1095
01:03:11.639 --> 01:03:15.880
old books, so I know, uh, the older the book gets,
1096
01:03:16.880 --> 01:03:19.440
the more deteriorated it gets.
1097
01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:19.559
It.
1098
01:03:19.719 --> 01:03:22.639
I've gotten books that have been in really good shape
1099
01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:26.880
and literally when you turn the pages, they just get
1100
01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:29.840
brittle and they break. They just you know, it's made
1101
01:03:29.880 --> 01:03:32.840
out of paper, they just disintegrate.
1102
01:03:33.519 --> 01:03:33.679
Uh.
1103
01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:36.639
You know, after the book is a couple hundred years old,
1104
01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:40.239
it's disintegrating right in front of you if you use
1105
01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:40.679
it or not.
1106
01:03:42.039 --> 01:03:43.760
What are you going to do about that you get
1107
01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:45.440
for a thousand years?
1108
01:03:49.079 --> 01:03:51.920
Yeah, well, you know the idea is for someone to
1109
01:03:52.400 --> 01:03:54.960
you know, buy it and read it and understand it.
1110
01:03:55.280 --> 01:03:56.840
That's a whole other thing, Right, is one thing to
1111
01:03:56.920 --> 01:03:58.840
read the book, but it's another thing to actually understand
1112
01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:03.000
the material and then to relay it down orally. That's
1113
01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:05.119
how we used to do that. You know, you're sitting
1114
01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:08.440
around the fire and talking to your grandkids. You're telling
1115
01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:10.480
them all across the stories, you know, Yeah, they didn't wind,
1116
01:04:10.519 --> 01:04:12.199
not how the copy of the book, but they all
1117
01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:13.920
get the story from you, you know, and that's kind
1118
01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:15.400
of how it's passed now, or it used to be
1119
01:04:16.119 --> 01:04:19.360
passed down, you know. So but yeah, I don't know.
1120
01:04:19.880 --> 01:04:23.679
You know, if knowledge can be copied infinitely, should anyone
1121
01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:26.199
be allowed to control access to it forever?
1122
01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:28.800
Mm hmm.
1123
01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:34.880
That's question right, Well, yeah, I mean control the acts.
1124
01:04:34.920 --> 01:04:37.679
And that's that's what these corporations, I believe, are going
1125
01:04:37.760 --> 01:04:40.719
to be doing. If you can you scan that book
1126
01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:44.519
and you put it in your archive and there's only say,
1127
01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:48.840
say there's one hundred copies in the whole world, and uh,
1128
01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:52.079
you know the library system maybe have one, and there's
1129
01:04:52.159 --> 01:04:56.840
millions of people. You can't request that book and they
1130
01:04:56.920 --> 01:04:58.719
might it might be on a six week, eight week,
1131
01:04:58.760 --> 01:05:01.519
one hundred year you know, backlog to get to you
1132
01:05:02.199 --> 01:05:05.920
and when you can. And this corporation, whatever he's doing,
1133
01:05:06.199 --> 01:05:08.639
is a brilliant idea because a man, if I thought
1134
01:05:08.679 --> 01:05:11.840
of it, I'd do it myself. Is get these books,
1135
01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:15.599
scan them in. Joe Phelps had the idea, scan him in,
1136
01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:16.440
but he's going to.
1137
01:05:16.440 --> 01:05:20.440
Give him away. He's taking away from their profits. Now
1138
01:05:20.519 --> 01:05:25.480
they're going to scan themselves exactly. They're gonna all the
1139
01:05:25.599 --> 01:05:28.840
money and the money.
1140
01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:30.920
So these people are like, oh, well, we don't want
1141
01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:33.280
Joe and all these other people that we just mentioned
1142
01:05:33.320 --> 01:05:36.159
in the show to you know, copy it and then
1143
01:05:36.199 --> 01:05:38.239
give it out for free, right, because they're not making
1144
01:05:38.280 --> 01:05:41.000
the money. That's what that's what it's all about. That's
1145
01:05:41.039 --> 01:05:43.199
why these people are gone now because they were doing
1146
01:05:43.320 --> 01:05:46.639
things that wasn't allowing them to get all the money.
1147
01:05:47.400 --> 01:05:52.760
Yeah, exactly, because these books are out of copyright, so
1148
01:05:52.880 --> 01:05:55.719
it ain't like you could purchase the rights to them.
1149
01:05:56.039 --> 01:05:59.840
The book is out of copy, especially like an old Bible. Uh,
1150
01:06:00.119 --> 01:06:02.360
you know, he's gonna scan that and he's gonna let
1151
01:06:02.880 --> 01:06:05.599
millions of people look at this for pretty much ever
1152
01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:09.840
it's it's and then some guy will do it and
1153
01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:12.199
then try to charge for it. When somebody says, hey,
1154
01:06:12.239 --> 01:06:14.000
don't worry, you can go over to Joe Phelpsite and
1155
01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:17.239
get it for free, Well, I'm not gonna make any money.
1156
01:06:17.239 --> 01:06:20.000
I would offer him too, not saying I did, I'm
1157
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:23.559
just saying is that, you know, i'd be I'd be
1158
01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:25.519
like cut his internet off or something.
1159
01:06:25.639 --> 01:06:25.800
You know.
1160
01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:28.800
Let's let's get this guy quieted up, because he's gonna
1161
01:06:28.840 --> 01:06:30.199
take away from our profits.
1162
01:06:31.239 --> 01:06:33.519
That's what I right now. Do you you don't happen
1163
01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:36.559
to have a video of Joe Fel's talking about the Bible,
1164
01:06:36.679 --> 01:06:37.880
so showing us the Bibles?
1165
01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:38.119
Do you?
1166
01:06:38.760 --> 01:06:40.039
Yes? Yes, I showed that.
1167
01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:44.760
I want to. I want to show to the audience, Uh,
1168
01:06:45.519 --> 01:06:51.519
what Joe found in the Bible, especially what they're talking
1169
01:06:51.599 --> 01:06:57.239
about in there about Palestine, because those are not I
1170
01:06:57.920 --> 01:07:01.199
have that. Okay, cool, let's see that.
1171
01:07:02.159 --> 01:07:08.440
Okay, Okay, hereing a second. It's gotta give me a second.
1172
01:07:08.519 --> 01:07:16.599
Tew okay, ready, yep. Answer.
1173
01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:18.800
This is an eighteen eighty four Catholic Bibles.
1174
01:07:19.679 --> 01:07:26.679
Yourself, Robert, you mute yourself in that way so we
1175
01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:35.239
can hear it without the alcohol. Oh now we can't
1176
01:07:35.280 --> 01:07:35.800
hear anything.
1177
01:07:39.239 --> 01:07:42.000
This is an eighteen eighty four Catholic Bible that says Palaestine,
1178
01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:46.000
eighteen ninety five referenced Bible that says Palestine is the Holy.
1179
01:07:45.880 --> 01:07:47.639
Land, and then an eighteen twelve print that.
1180
01:07:47.679 --> 01:07:50.480
Contains a rite up on Judea, Palestine or the Holy Lane.
1181
01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:52.480
If you look at what the Bible says, it seems
1182
01:07:52.519 --> 01:07:54.639
that they're trying to erase Palestine. I want to read
1183
01:07:54.719 --> 01:07:57.800
one excerpt for you. Palestine, which comprehends the ancient country
1184
01:07:57.840 --> 01:08:00.320
of Canaan was occupied by nine tribes of is that's reel.
1185
01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:01.440
Israel is a tribe.
1186
01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:05.159
It's many advantages and happy situation induce the neighboring and
1187
01:08:05.280 --> 01:08:09.199
powerful kingdoms to attempt its subjection. Most of them succeeded
1188
01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:13.280
in reducing to obedience and slavery the peaceable inhabitants. They
1189
01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:17.479
have treated the conquered with utmost barbarity, not sparing old
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or young women or helpless children. One hundred and eighty
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girls age seven to twelve. We're just blown up at
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a school in Iran. We all know that in the
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end times, God's chosen people will be persecuted nigh in
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the death. As I scanned the Bible throughout the years,
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I can see they tried to erase it already.
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This is a nineteen fifties translation.
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Isaiah chapter fifteen, verse twenty nine, Philistia, verse thirty one
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Philistia eighteen ninety five translation Isaiah fourteen twenty nine, Palestinia
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thirty one Palestinia.
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In fifty five years they changed the name. You can
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see it right here. Are we living in the end times.
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Let's look at the Bible. The prophetamus is referring to
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the children of Israel.
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Right here, though they climb up to heaven, then shall
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I bring them down? And do they hide themselves in
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the top of Carmel? I will search and take them
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out there?
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All right?
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So you heard them say there. Okay, So the the
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Holy Land is Palestine. Okay, So what's going on over
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there right now is completely false. The people are over
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the you know what I mean. So I'm not going
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to get into that whole thing because it.
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Will get it take them down, finding discrepancies. How it's changed,
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little drip by drip.
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Yeah, yeah, well that's what's been happening. And that's what
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they do with the books. They changed them every decade
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or whatever it is. They every generation, you know what
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I mean, to fit their narrative. And so clearly those
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books were from what eighteen hundreds or fifteen hundreds or
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whatever it was like before the last reset. Okay, in
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this reset, which is only a couple of hundred years,
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they've taken all that out. Yeah, because God doesn't with
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their political agenda that they're going on that they're doing today, right,
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So you should show that stuff to BB Okay, and
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you know, let's do a debate on that would be funny.
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I think that's why. I think that's why they took
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him out. Yeah, for that reason alone, For that reason alone,
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right there, you know those certain people that we're talking
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about here, So it took him out. They didn't want
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that out there, That's what I think.
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Yeah, yeah, they they don't want that out there.
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He was I think at the end there he was
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digging in the stuff that was getting him in trouble
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with some higher ups, you know, going to the Freemason lodge,
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looking up all these different Bibles, not only just these
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old Bibles, but free Mason Bibles he had and in
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which are are slightly different than all the other Bibles.
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And then he started talking about stuff. And he's in
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down there in the Amazon somewhere, and he was researching
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and finding statues. They look like aliens. It's in his videos.
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And you start putting all that together. He's too close
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to you know, making people wake up. He's too close
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to it. He's a real person and people will believe him.
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Well, not only that he had millions of followers like
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he was. I'm surprised I never heard of him. I mean,
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he was a van Liifer. He was into you know,
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a solar you know, everything like you know what I mean,
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like everything that we're into. You've seen him, you've followed him.
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I never seen him, but yeah, it's it's amazing. He
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had like millions of followers. He was, you know, doing
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a lot of good job there. And I don't know,
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you know, there's controversy. You know, people notice that his
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tattoos or like Mason tattoos, and I don't know exactly
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you know, who or what he was, but all I
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know is that he was getting too close to the truth.
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He was showing us some stuff that they got nervous.
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That's what I think happened to him and all the
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other people as well. We mentioned the mysteriously you know,
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gone young healthy. You know, even Willcock, you know, you
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can lump him in there too, you know, just hours
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before he did what he did, he said on life
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that he would never do that, you know, And so
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it'll makes you wonder, you know, are they physically doing
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it or are they doing some sort of technology that's
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making them do it to themselves? These are all up
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for debate. If you know more about this story or
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anything to do with the book burning that's going on today.
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Leave us some comments down below. I'd love to hear more.
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Who knows, we might do more shows on this in
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the future, you know, I mean, as more things are
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coming to light. But yeah, rest in peace, Joe and
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everybody else who's tried to make a difference you. Good
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for you, guys, and hopefully his stuff will still remain
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in tacts online on his website. There, I'll try and
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track down that Feltz library or whatever it was. I
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might put that in the description as a link. If
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you're on YouTube, the link doesn't work, so you'll have
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to copy and paste it yourself, but at least it's
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there on all the other platforms it'll be clickable. So
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with that, I'm going to sign off today. Thank you
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all so much for watching, and we'll see you guys
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in the next one.