Zane Devault

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Hey, thank you for tuning in to Beyond the Visor.
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So Zane, welcome in.
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Congratulations on the win at Millstream on Sunday.
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And then you won the night prior at Wainsfield as well.
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So doubling down this weekend, staying busy here.
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And if anyone's curious, we are recording from the lane shop.
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So I came right to him's this is mobile service.
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Um, but, you know, before we dive into anything else here, I asked you on the way
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up here, if you had a quote that, you know, you used to inspire you or that you
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think about in all of that.
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And like what, what was a quote that you came with?
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So actually, uh, we were, we were coming home from, uh, Wainsfield after a big
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win, obviously, and, uh, we ran two cars, so me and Brett were, were in the one
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hauler by ourselves and we were talking and, you know, everyone's congratulating
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us, texting us, our phones are vibrating and everything.
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And, and we, we got talking, we both are into sports and everything.
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And we talked about Kobe Bryant when he said, uh, you know, they, they won two
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games and he said, jobs not done.
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Um, and they're asking them why he's not happy and everything.
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So, uh, I think that's, that kind of sums up me and Brett and this whole team.
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You know, I think, uh, yeah, we're happy in the moment.
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It's cool and great and everything, but on the way home, uh, the reality sat in and,
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and you know, we still had one more race to go at middle stream and that was a big
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deal for us.
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Uh, I really wanted to win it there.
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He hasn't won it middle stream and it's kind of iconic deal for me and him.
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He went with his, uh, his grandpa and everything.
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And, uh, so it was, it's kind of one of those quotes that jobs not done.
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You just got to keep going.
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I mean, it's, we kind of get lost on, you know, the realities of, you know, the
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racing season and, you know, those that, you know, race for living or not doing
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that, like it's, it's not a, you know, you get to the track on, on a Friday or
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Saturday, do your, do your races and then, you know, you go back to the work
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week or whatever, you know, you're racing for a living or you're doing it full
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time type stuff.
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Uh, you know, it's, it's get back and it's getting ready for the next one.
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And then you got another weekend and then, uh, you know, there's 52 weekends
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in a year and it probably seems like you're racing 53 weekends.
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What's that life, you know, on the road per se, like, you know, definitely first
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year, your first full year with, you know, lane racing and, and, you know, all of
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that.
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It's, it's different.
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You know, a lot of people think when you're just a spectator, you go to the
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races, like you said, you, you're hanging out, you go home and no pressure, right?
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You're, you go home, take a shower and go to bed.
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Um, not for us.
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Like we go home, get here to the shop and, uh, and there's still a lot of work to
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Uh, our night just started most of the time.
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Uh, if you direct anything, you're, you're going to tear down, you're going to
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get it ready for the next race.
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Uh, you got to wash and everything like that.
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So, um, a lot of, a lot of lost sleep.
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Uh, that's for sure.
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And, uh, but we all pitch in, um, and get, get things going, but a lot of time
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on the road, that's for sure.
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I mean, that's usually when we get a lot of work.
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Usually when we get a lot of our sleep and react, we're relaxation, um, is kind
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of in the truck and trailer, uh, going up and down the road.
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But, you know, Brett's done this with the all stars and everything and it's
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stressful, you know, like, like you said, there's, there's a totally different
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aspect of racing when you quit your job and this is your main source of income
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and everything and your mindset and everything.
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It, uh, all you think is, is race, race, race, race, race.
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Um, and you're, you're always thinking about getting better and everything.
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So you don't really get a rest of the mind of the racing aspect.
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So it's definitely a lot of wear and tear on you and it's a lot of wear and
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tear on everyone really in the whole team.
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And, uh, it's just not us that are working, you know, Patty and, and Casey and
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everything, it sacrificed a lot because they don't get to see Brett as much,
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you know, cause he's always down here on the team and everything.
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So there's definitely a lot of people that put an effort into it though.
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Obviously you, you come from Indiana, so you're a little bit distant from home.
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And we were talking there at the Fremont, you know, a week or two ago at the fair
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race and I kind of, you know, I've been here before the shop, you know, we did
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that whole speed week video, which was a super cool experience to do.
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Um, we got to come back here afterwards, you know, two in the morning, three in
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the morning, reading hot dogs, kind of just talking, talking things over.
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Um, and you know, I, that night you guys had slept on the floor and air mattresses
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and all that.
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And you know, I kind of thought, you know, maybe that's just, you know, for
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the week since it's a whole week, but you know, we talked at Fremont at the fair
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race and I was like, you know, where, where do you live through the season?
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And you were like at the shop.
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And I, and I was like, kind of like mind blown by it.
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Cause I, I'm thinking here, like, oh, maybe he's staying with the lanes or maybe
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staying with somebody like local and Fremont or whatever.
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And you're like, no, at the shop.
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And I'm like, on the air mattress and you're like, yeah, sometimes I'm like,
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where else do you sleep?
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And he's like, I know sometimes I just sleep in the trailer, you know, kind of
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wherever I feel like sleeping at.
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So it was like really eye opening to me that, you know, this is like, this isn't
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something you come and do on the weekends or anything.
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Like you live here.
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Like you were 20 feet away, you know, right behind us.
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There's a shop with race cars in it and hunters back there right now getting ready
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for next weekend and stuff.
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And then when this is over, you're going to go in there and fill up the air
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mattress or whatever.
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And you're going to go to sleep, wake up.
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And it's the same thing, you know, every single day.
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And then you go out in the weekends, come back.
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Um, I mean, you really don't get away from it.
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So like, I think that kind of raises, you know, in my, like, my opinion or like,
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my curiosity is like when you can't get away from it, so to say, and you know,
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you're, you're waking up by it, you're seeing it.
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I mean, me personally, the first thing I do when I wake up, I like to roll over
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and see a pretty woman next to me that I love.
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But it, I mean, it's similar here.
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You're rolling over and you're seeing race cars.
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And I guess if you love it, it, it works out.
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But, um, I mean, how do you escape that to kind of, you know, live a life outside of racing?
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Uh, you know, like, we go home, me and Hunter try to go home one or two days a week.
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And obviously it doesn't work out that way.
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Um, I think we usually go home one or two days every couple of weeks.
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Um, so it's nice.
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But when we've got a break, like right now, we know we're kind of week to week, uh, racing.
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We're not racing on a Tuesday and everything, like the world outlaws and the high limit and everything.
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But, um, actually the people we rent the shop from, they got a go cart track out back here.
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And it's their go cart season with all their buddies.
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So I'm usually putting all their go carts on the scale and everything because lucky us, we got scales for it.
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You know, it's stuff like that.
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I think that it's I'll go out there and, and we'll race around on the go carts and beat and bang and have fun and everything.
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But, you know, we just, uh, we'll hang out in the shop and watch the high limit race.
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It's that's probably what Hunter's doing right now and drinking a beer and hanging out.
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I mean, uh, you don't really get away.
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I mean, like I said, when you're doing it for a living, it is hard to get away.
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I think, I think it's a push, a push, push, push and a grind, uh, all season.
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And, and, and your time to relax is, is the winner.
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Um, and, and I mean, you take that, that those times really for granted.
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Um, when you do have, have a weekend off or whatever, but you know, July 4th, I know, uh, Brett and Patty and Casey and everyone was down here.
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And we played cornhole and grilled on the grill and everything and had fun.
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Um, and, and we drank a lot of beer and, uh, did some fireworks with Casey and everything and probably spent too much money on fireworks.
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But we had fun.
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We enjoy our time differently.
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You know, I think, I think all my time is usually enjoyed being competitive.
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I'm competitive in everything.
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I mean, I'll go out there with the go-karts and it's, uh, it's definitely competitive.
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Like I want to win.
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So I guess I'm, uh, I'm a little different.
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I've always, this is my dream.
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So I love doing this.
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So it, it, you know, yeah, you can get burnout, but the hard times get you burnout.
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But when you have nights like, or weekends like this last week and it's not too bad to, to wake up in the shop and, and it's pretty easy to get up and start working on the race car.
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After you just, you know, one, two races, back to back and everything.
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So when, when it's on the highs, it makes it pretty easy to get up and, and work and bust your ass and do it 24 seven.
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But definitely on the lows that, uh, it definitely takes a lot of, a lot of motivation.
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But you know, like Brett is really good at that.
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Like he, he's, he's very motivational.
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I mean, I think at two in the morning, the other night he's, he sent me a couple of motivational speeches and everything.
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Uh, he definitely keeps us pushing.
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Um, you know, he's hard on us, but, but he knows how to get us motivated and, uh, and keep us on the right frame of mind.
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Oh, I mean, absolutely.
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I guess like, I mean, it's kind of weird or I don't want to say weird, but like wild to think that like the getaway from racing is more racing.
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I mean, just not the type that, you know, you're doing to, to make a living and stuff.
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And it's, you know, it's outback with the go-karts or, or whatever.
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I mean, that's a kind of a different way, I guess, to kind of look at it or approach things and be like, hey, my getaway is really what I'm getting away from.
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It's just a different style where the, maybe the stakes aren't as high or the pressure is not as high.
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And I know you had mentioned this is like a dream of yours.
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And we'll kind of circle back to that, you know, down the, down this podcast, but you talk about, you know, it's, it's easy when.
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You're, you're riding the high.
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Obviously we've kind of seen throughout the year, there's been some lows, most notably thanks to, you know, flow and all of that.
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We kind of saw the whole deal at Kokomo.
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I mean, you're, you're railing the top, you're trying to get into, you know, one of the bigger shows of the year here locally.
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You know, you're one spot out, you're trying to get there.
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And all of a sudden, before you know it, you're, you're basically wall riding the fence.
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You're doing a Logan CV, but you're not landing it on the backside.
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So instead, you know, you're getting out of a junk race car.
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It's right on the front stretch.
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So it's in front of everybody.
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And now instead of, you know, you know, starting the AMAIN and having a shot to come up through the field,
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you're loading up a junk race car to come back here, you know, and with a tore up race car.
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Like how do you wake up, you know, that Tuesday morning after you eventually go to sleep and be like, that, that happened, that sucks.
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You know, rip the, the tear off off and, you know, let's get ready for the next week.
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I mean, how do you, how do you get past something like that?
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Oh man, it's, it's a lot on the people you do it with.
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You know, I came back and, and I walk off the track and the first person I see is Hunter there.
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And, you know, I grew up with Hunter and everything.
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And, and I mean, he wasn't pissed.
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He wasn't upset at me.
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First thing he said, yeah, right.
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You know, and, and he goes, you were going for it.
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It is what it is.
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I mean, and actually that was a grueling weekend for us.
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We, I believe we went to Attacon Friday, went to Florence, Kentucky on Saturday.
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Then on Sunday, we went all the way to Franklin, PA to race Tri City and then drove through the night and went all the way to Kokomo on Monday.
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And it was going to be easy because it was going to be on Tuesday.
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And then they moved it to Monday so Kyle could do the Indy 500 practice.
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So it made our week definitely harder.
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And then I made it even harder on us because we had to build another car for the next following Friday.
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But I mean, yes, we were all bummed out.
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It sucked.
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But my guys never, never once were, you know, blaming me.
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I mean, even though it was my fault, they weren't upset at me.
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And they just knew that we all needed to get our head back on the grind and build another car.
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So I mean, I guess it's definitely hard.
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I mean, this, you can go from hero to zero really quick in this sport, but you got to be mentally tough.
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I mean, you got to be able to realize that there is so many times like you've said, you know, the go into middle stream and you're thinking there's so many people that at what point in time did you think I'm not going to make this?
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I'm I'm I've lost my talent. I've not, I can't progressively get any better. I can't race with this this level.
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You know, there's been several times of I'm not going to be able to do it full time.
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I'm just going to end up being this weekend warrior have the blue collared type racer where I got to work 40 hours a week and go race on the weekend.
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But I guess I've never been able to be satisfied with with not fulfilling that dream of going to the next race.
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I've never been fulfilling that dream of doing it for for a living.
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So you you definitely get up and grind on that.
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And the people around you always always help you out obviously a lot.
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And I can't thank everyone obviously on my team and behind me, my family and everything.
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You know, they they definitely help and push you through for sure.
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Is there ever been a moment in your career in I'm sure there's multiple moments when you look across the whole spectrum.
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But is there ever been like one moment where you've kind of looked at it and said, this is it?
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Like, I'm never going to get to where I want to be like my dreams over either, you know, you've you've junked a race car and the owners upset or, you know, you're not performing your standard.
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Like what is like the one moment I think that stands out to you the most or you were like, this is it.
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Like, I'm chasing a dream, you know, that I'm never going to achieve.
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I always refer to it as like, you know, chasing ghosts, like I see it, I run after it.
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Once I get there, it's not actually there. Like what what is that moment for your what has been that moment?
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And I don't know. I don't know if there's been one really, really big moment.
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But there's been a lot of little times where I like in the winter, winners are so hard on racers.
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Everyone thinks, oh man, the winter is so easy, you're relaxed, you're not racing.
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No, it's especially when you're a free agent and you don't have a ride and you see all the, you know, the silly season and you see all these guys getting rides and everything and getting sponsors and everything.
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And the list just keeps getting smaller and smaller and smaller.
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I mean, so and you have no deals like you don't have no one you're talking to.
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So you have no clue. It's stressful. I mean, I think obviously it's it's pretty stressful when you want a car up or you got to perform good in the season.
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But 90% of the time, most owners nowadays, I feel like if you've got a good car, you're a good person on and off the track to your team, and you do a decent job, they're probably going to keep you.
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And I mean, don't get me wrong, there's obviously a lot of other teams that have struggles and break up and break apart.
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But I think that the getting the foot in the door nowadays, everyone's so loyal.
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If you look at Brad Sweet, he's been with Casey Kane for how long, you know, the Roth car with McFadden, you know, there for a while, everyone was shuffling in and out of that car and they landed him and he stayed in there for a couple years.
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And there are some really cool foids in there for a couple years. So I think once you get that kind of click of everyone, it works out.
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So the most stressful time is definitely in the off season. I've I joked with Brett, the first race going to Pittsburgh, he's like, why are you so nervous?
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And I said, well, it sounds really, really silly.
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I said, but what if I lost it over the winter? And he's like, Oh, whatever, you didn't lose it. You didn't lose it.
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I think, you know, you're you're so worried that someone's going to catch up to you. You know, if you're so much better than this guy all year last year, or your whole life of racing against him, is he in the off season, did he do something?
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Did he find something that's going to make him better than you?
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So I think I think that's always been the biggest worry for me is in the off season was just finding an opportunity when I didn't have one.
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You know, because if you take it, if you don't get an opportunity and you have a season off, you kind of forgotten, you know, you're only as good as your last race or performance and everything.
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So I think if if you you aren't out there performing and everyone else is, you're kind of in the back burner and out of sight out of mind.
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So I think that was that's definitely been my biggest worry over the years was just securing a ride and being able to show showcase what I've got.
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What's like the latest you've gone through the winter without a ride and you're you know, you're kind of getting up, you know, into February and you're the winter nationals are kind of, you know, kicking off a little bit and you start seeing tracks doing some,
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you know, local promo and like a racing season starts in 60 days or whatever.
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There's that.
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I can't think of her name. I'd give her a shout out like a think of it. She's always posting like sprint cars, whatever with the number on the wing.
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That's like the days left to the racing season. Like once I start seeing that I like, oh, we're getting close because like you can only go so high.
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Like there aren't many triple digit sprint cars out there to do 104 days or whatever. Terrible example there, but 105 days or something till RACC starts.
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Like once I start seeing those posts every day, I'm like, oh, we're getting close.
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And like as a driver, if you don't have something lined up and you know, those are starting to get posted or whatever, like, I mean, what's the latest you've taken that into the winter slash spring without anything and you're kind of really quite like,
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is it ever like my phone ever going to ring?
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So probably this year really.
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You know, I think me and Brett, I kind of had a deal that was halfway working at the end of the last year and didn't really know what the plan was for this year.
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And we were going to try and work something out, didn't really hear anything.
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And his kind of deal was kind of shaken up last minute also.
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And man, I don't even know when Fremont swap meet was me and Brett, where me and him were there selling.
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I was selling parts off of my, you know, what I own personally and what some of the stuff that he owned and everything.
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And at that point, me and him didn't.
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I mean, we, I jokingly said stuff to him trying to kind of get him aroused and and get him talking.
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But really at that point in time, we didn't really need neither of us had a plan.
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I always I've had my own car, my own motor and everything.
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So I guess this year I wasn't too worried because in years past I've had to start with my stuff and kind of finish a deal out because of the Michigan deal, you know, GLSS and everything starts kind of at a later date.
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I know like I drove for Steve Harding.
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That was kind of that was kind of set up right around PRI.
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I ran for another car up in Michigan.
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And it was it was around the first of the year.
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So I think more of the local stuff, people don't worry about going so early.
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And they kind of want to see how the cards fall.
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But you know, like the world outlaws and everything like that, you got to play and you're playing and, you know, they're probably finalizing deals right now and trying to keep it hush hush as long as they can.
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And then everyone everything kind of comes out.
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Charlotte time right.
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So the more the higher you get on the stepping stone, I feel like it's got to be earlier.
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So really like the way we did it this year, it was probably the latest.
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And like I said, I wasn't too worried about it because I could run my own stuff and I had another opportunity and had another couple opportunities, but ended up staying here.
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So but it definitely it definitely takes a toll.
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You lose a lot of sleep and you're stressed out and you're definitely scrambling and calling people.
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That's for sure.
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Can't say I've ever been in the same shoes.
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But like, you know, I've you watch a lot like these behind the scene documentaries like Trevor Bauer is controversial as he is in baseball and in all of that, like you kind of watch some of those documentaries or docu series videos that he did when, you know, he was leaving Cleveland and looking, you know, for a team.
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And you know, like, like Mike Clevender again, you know, got traded out of Cleveland.
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He's making these videos and it's like their idea of their mindset is like, well, I just got to do what I got to do and someone will call or whatever.
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And you know, obviously, you know, Bowers came off this.
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I don't see her it was a year before a Sion I believe like he's, you know, all star pitcher or whatever.
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It's like he's going to get the call.
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But like you're, you know, some of your smaller guys are kind of just like, oh, I hope somebody calls my agent or whatever.
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I get a deal.
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I mean, it's you know, you try to rationalize anything like that's the same as racing, but you kind of don't get the same, you know, feeling for it.
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You're not, you're not racing for millions here, I think we all wish we could, but you're not, you know, so like the stakes don't feel as high, but the emotions themselves are just as real as, you know, MLB or NFL or all that.
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Like it's not any less emotionally taxing or less, you know, anxiety inducing or something like that.
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So I think like, we really kind of lose the idea of that.
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And I said when I released the podcast too, I was like, I think it's like fans and spectators and even like officials like get so lost in this idea that race car drivers or whatever are entertainers and not human.
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Like they're, they are people.
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They're, you know, you and I and all that.
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We kind of lose that, you know, idea or reality.
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And it's like, oh, well, if he wanted to do whatever he'd be better.
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And it's like, well, you know, he might be doing as best as he can.
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And I know like before we started this podcast, you were in the, we were in the shop talking and we were like, there's guys in the past that have, you know, been the top of their game and they were winning races and they get an accident or whatever.
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And they come back and they're just not the same.
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And you're like, man, he just ain't going to cut it.
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But like behind the surface, you know, beyond the, beyond the visor, there's the plug, you know, they're, they're battling something, whether it's confidence or the motor skills or slow down like what was such muscle memories kind of.
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They're like, you know, they get the yips or something at something like it's just, they lose that, but we get so lost and pick up and he perform and what, you know, he's just another field marker and there's so much more than that.
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And I want to go back to talk about this, like always being a dream.
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So obviously you can come from Indiana.
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Like at what age did all of this start for you?
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Like, because I can like look back at my childhood and I don't remember too much of it, but like my dad was already racing when I was born.
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I went to my first race when I was probably like two days old or whatever, probably two weeks realistically.
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But like I can think about how like I got into it.
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And then obviously, you know, I got into the media side when I lived in Texas, you know, doing music and I was like enjoying it.
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I was going to move back to Ohio.
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I'll just translate all this over to racing and all that something I was already passionate about.
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But like I remember when I first got in the sport, like for you, like what age was that?
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Like, was it something that you were like, oh, it's just cool. I got to do this.
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Or was it something like at first like you resented and you're like, I don't understand the appeal of this.
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But then after a while you were like, I want to be like that.
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No, if I would have resented it, I probably would have ended up at the fire station in the dropbox.
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My family was all in on racing. My dad raced, my brother raced at the time.
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And I mean, I grew up a hellraiser.
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I mean, I was wide open on anything with power and any wheels.
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And I crash and burned a lot.
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And usually I had a brother that's seven years old than me.
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So it was usually him wrecking me.
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But it was definitely my mom and dad just telling me to put some dirt on it and get back up and be a kid.
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And a lot of kids don't do that nowadays.
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And I think it was, I mean, I was so competitive. I grew up in a competitive family, really competitive.
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So I just always, I had a hot wheels, we had RC cars, we did all this stuff.
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And I was, I had a four wheeler.
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And I can tell you numerous times where I would, I mean, throw a fit and want to kill my older brother because he had a faster four wheeler.
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So I would try to wreck him so then I could beat him.
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But there's just so many times like people think, oh, you just happened.
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No, it definitely crashed and burned a lot.
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And I think it was just, it was in, it was molded to me.
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I mean, my whole, like I said, my whole family was into the racing deal.
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So whenever I could, I don't even know, I was young.
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That's all I wanted to do was race, race, race. That's all I knew.
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So I just think I started racing when I was four, four and a half, so quarter minutes.
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So once, once I did it once, I was all in. I never, I don't, I haven't, there hasn't been one moment in my life that I said, whoa, like I don't want to race this weekend or, or, you know, I don't really want to go or nothing.
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And I was, I was always the one pushing to go begging to go.
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And if we weren't racing because we didn't have the money or something, I was begging to go watch a race or something, something to do with racing.
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So, so it's been, been in my family, you know, my, my dad and brother don't get to go as much anymore.
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My mom doesn't get to go as much anymore than now that we're traveling more in my grandma and grandpa and, and every all them, my aunts and uncles, they don't come as much because we're traveling more.
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But I, I, they definitely do like that. Everything's on, on TV now because they, they, they are always tuned in for sure.
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I mean, and I will post something on Facebook and I think they, I don't know how to, but I guarantee you they have it on notification because they're like one of the first ones to, to like it and comment and share it.
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So I don't know. I think a lot of people that they grew up in it, you know, I don't, I don't know.
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There's not too many people anymore that are outside of it and get into it and ours and are this passionate about it, you know.
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So I don't know. I think there's a lot of people though, like in your instance where they do take a break. I just, I never did.
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Yeah. I mean, we kind of dive into my story, you know, a little bit because like there was a period in time where like I was ready to walk away.
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Like I wanted nothing to do with the sport. The, like the back story is like so, like I obviously, you know, I'm from this area from Castile or there's some dusky or whatever and, and all that.
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And, you know, I joined the military right out of high school. I lived in North Carolina at the time. So it was 2016. I just got there in July.
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And the first thing I did was like look for the nearest racetrack. And I was like, it's probably not going to be dirt. It's probably going to be asphalt during around eight divisions a night.
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Like I'm going to hate everything about it, but like I like it's been like a year. Like I got to see something.
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So, you know, I go there and it's this pavement track. It was Carterette County and it's a nice facility. And I was like, I put a lot of money into this place.
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I can get it. Sightlines are terrible though. Like I'll be honest, like they park in the infield. The stands really aren't high enough to look over anything and the place is flat.
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And I went once and I was like, Oh, not bad. So I was like, I'll go again in the future. So you know, it's like two weeks later and I go and I'm sitting there watching it.
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And I think it was like a super late model show or like a pro late model show. It wasn't cars or anything like that.
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And I'm like sitting there and they're getting ready to do the race. I think it was like 75 laps or whatever. And I have always prayed before the future.
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So like you do the pray before the race or the prayer before the race, whatever. Anytime it's before the 410 or whatever, like the main event future, I've always prayed.
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Like it's something I've done really since my dad's actually in 2006, as far as I can remember. But like I did that and I'm sitting there and I think I'm on my phone scrolling through and all of a sudden the green flag's out.
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And they're racing and you know, I'm sitting there watching whatever checkered flag falls. I get in my truck, I go home and I'm scrolling through.
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I think it's Twitter at the time of this Twitter. I'm scrolling through it and all of a sudden it's just like prayers, prayers, thoughts, prayers, prayer, like all this stuff.
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And I'm in there like they're talking about Belleville, Belleville. And I'm like, what is happening? I'm scrolling through here trying to find out.
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And I finally got to one and it was like prayers for Brian Clausen, you know, bad accident in Belleville or whatever and all this.
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And I'm like scrolling through and I'm seeing all this and then obviously, you know, the day or two went by and nothing really came out of it.
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And then all of a sudden, you know, you get the notification announcement is going to be made at IMS Monday, I think it was at like whatever.
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And, you know, I'm at work and you know, like the announcement comes across and it's kind of I think what we all thought it was going to be at that time.
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But you know, they make the announcement and I remember I got done with work and I went to my dorm room and you sack had posted the initial tribute video like the one and a half minute video just music and I'm watching it and all of a sudden it like hits me and I'm like,
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I was at the racetrack the night it happened and I didn't pray.
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And I went down this like spiral road now is like, I didn't pray.
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I felt guilty almost like I was like, in my head, you know, I'm like, it's not my fault. I wasn't there. Like I wasn't behind the wheel.
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Like I didn't do anything. But like this thing that I've been doing for 20 years basically to that point, or not 20, I mean, 10, but like I didn't do it one time. And it's like the night that the biggest name in open will racing, you know, gets killed in an accident.
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And like that happened and I was just like, I, I caused this and like in my head, I'm like, I'm trying to like rationalize but not rationalize that thought process.
379
00:32:15,940 --> 00:32:23,940
Like I didn't pray that I caused this if I would have prayed this wouldn't have happened and like all this stuff and it like pushed me away from the sports.
380
00:32:23,940 --> 00:32:32,940
Like I don't want to go back to a racetrack. I have zero interest in it. Like I didn't do this thing one time and this is what happens.
381
00:32:32,940 --> 00:32:40,940
And I was like, I'm done. Like I don't want to go back and not only did it like push me away from racing, but it pushed me away from my faith.
382
00:32:40,940 --> 00:32:49,940
And it was like this weird, like period of my life where I was like, like mad at God for doing this.
383
00:32:49,940 --> 00:32:58,940
Like it felt like punishment and like I wasn't super religious at the time or spiritual, but you know, I'm a believer and I was like, you're punishing me for something.
384
00:32:58,940 --> 00:33:06,940
Like you're punishing everybody because I didn't do one thing. And it took me a long time to get over that.
385
00:33:06,940 --> 00:33:11,940
And eventually I was like, you know, everyone around me is talking racing, my dad's talking racing, my friends are talking racing.
386
00:33:11,940 --> 00:33:19,940
I see it on social media. I was like, I gotta go back. Like I can't, you know, it's just it's who I am. It's like my fabrics.
387
00:33:19,940 --> 00:33:27,940
I go back and you know, I'm getting ready to do the feature again. And like I was not going to let myself like not do it.
388
00:33:27,940 --> 00:33:33,940
So I did the prayer and like everything went great. And I kind of started to feel a little bit more comfortable.
389
00:33:33,940 --> 00:33:41,940
But like in the back of my mind, though, like I had still a lot of resentment towards things that were happening and towards God.
390
00:33:41,940 --> 00:33:49,940
And like it took me really up until 20, well a year and a half ago to like get over that.
391
00:33:49,940 --> 00:33:57,940
And I before my baptism, the, you know, the pastor sat down with me and he's like, tell me a little bit about, you know, your life or whatever.
392
00:33:57,940 --> 00:34:06,940
And I brought up that night in August and I was like, I did this and I didn't pray and he was like, you know, it's not a punishment.
393
00:34:06,940 --> 00:34:13,940
It's, you know, not anything like that. Like it's a, you know, there are things in life that you can't control.
394
00:34:13,940 --> 00:34:19,940
And there's decisions that other people make in their life that lead to their, you know, series of events.
395
00:34:19,940 --> 00:34:27,940
And in no way was he saying, oh, you know, Brian made a decision that put him there. But like Brian made a decision to get in the race car and go out there and race.
396
00:34:27,940 --> 00:34:34,940
And I think that's like, as part of the reality of the sport that we all know that, you know, it is a dangerous sport and anything can happen at any moment and you can lose it all.
397
00:34:34,940 --> 00:34:40,940
But he put it that way and it kind of like brought back to me, you know, like, it's not my fault.
398
00:34:40,940 --> 00:34:46,940
There was nothing I could do about it. It happens for a reason. Like it played out the way it did.
399
00:34:46,940 --> 00:34:58,940
I went through that period of my life for a reason in itself. And, you know, ultimately, you know, six years, seven years later, it brought me kind of into a better place with my faith.
400
00:34:58,940 --> 00:35:01,940
And now I look back on it, I'm like, I'm very thankful for it.
401
00:35:01,940 --> 00:35:11,940
And a lot, I think a lot of people don't realize how much one scenario that has nothing to do like you, you know, had nothing to do with you.
402
00:35:11,940 --> 00:35:16,940
You didn't know him. You didn't, you know, how it really affects people.
403
00:35:16,940 --> 00:35:20,940
You know, like me, I was, I was 13 years old.
404
00:35:20,940 --> 00:35:29,940
Everywhere I went in race to get in a sprint car at 13 or 14, my birthday's in May, so it was a little half and half deal.
405
00:35:29,940 --> 00:35:33,940
But my mom and dad had to sign a waiver every place we went.
406
00:35:33,940 --> 00:35:35,940
Well, my mom couldn't make it to everyone.
407
00:35:35,940 --> 00:35:42,940
I was usually with my dad. So we had a paper and my dad signed it.
408
00:35:42,940 --> 00:35:45,940
My mom signed it and everything, whatever.
409
00:35:45,940 --> 00:36:04,940
And my mom would always be upset at all these people that, I mean, they knew I raced my whole life and were involved in my racing, always bought shirts, whatever, you know, and were interested in it.
410
00:36:04,940 --> 00:36:11,940
And they were so upset because I was so young in a sprint car and they're like, oh my gosh, people get killed in these.
411
00:36:11,940 --> 00:36:26,940
And, you know, like I said, my, my, my mom and dad were, are definitely tough people mentally and, and, and we're mentally tough on us to be tough, tough people in life.
412
00:36:26,940 --> 00:36:37,940
And, and I will never forget this. She, she goes, the one guy said, I can't believe you're what, and your 13 year old kid go 130 miles an hour.
413
00:36:37,940 --> 00:36:51,940
And my mom goes, listen, if he dies right now, walking out, slipping on the ice out of the house, or if he's on the school bus and it gets hit by a car and he dies.
414
00:36:51,940 --> 00:36:53,940
And I told him he couldn't go race.
415
00:36:53,940 --> 00:37:01,940
He's probably going to haunt me for the rest of his life. So at least if he dies, he's doing something he loves.
416
00:37:01,940 --> 00:37:07,940
And, and, and people kind of thought that was weird for her to think that and it was kind of cruel.
417
00:37:07,940 --> 00:37:15,940
But it was, it was the truth. I mean, I, I would have definitely shunned her if she wouldn't let me race.
418
00:37:15,940 --> 00:37:26,940
I mean, but I grew up my whole life getting ready for that moment. You know, I mean, obviously there was a lot of people that thought I wasn't ready.
419
00:37:26,940 --> 00:37:35,940
And, and now I feel like I've, that's always been a been fuel to my fire of trying to show them and prove to them.
420
00:37:35,940 --> 00:37:41,940
Look, I was ready. And I got a jumpstart on all these other people. And now I'm doing it for a living.
421
00:37:41,940 --> 00:37:58,940
So, you know, I think that was, that was a really tough moment for my whole, not just me of my family and everything of everyone questioning my mom, my dad for putting a 13, 14 year old kid that I weighed, I think I weighed like 94 pounds.
422
00:37:58,940 --> 00:38:05,940
I had a 12 inch seat, you know, and everyone made fun of me that it was a baby seat in a car seat and everything.
423
00:38:05,940 --> 00:38:15,940
And they're getting in there and I'm racing on average 30, 40 year old guys that are grown men that are getting hurt in these.
424
00:38:15,940 --> 00:38:23,940
So then when that took place, you know, that was a couple years after that I started racing and everything.
425
00:38:23,940 --> 00:38:26,940
And all those questions started coming back.
426
00:38:26,940 --> 00:38:37,940
And people started being really hard on me, really hard on my mom and dad, because at that point I did have a wreck at a decent one.
427
00:38:37,940 --> 00:38:45,940
And I think it cracked a rib or something, you know, something minor. I mean, I wrestled and played football and everything.
428
00:38:45,940 --> 00:38:54,940
I cracked ribs and played football still the next Friday, you know, but people don't see that they see they saw, oh my gosh, someone died of that.
429
00:38:54,940 --> 00:39:07,940
Well, and here again, like my mom and dad were so mentally strong that, you know, they came back with, OK, look at all the NFL people that get all these concussions.
430
00:39:07,940 --> 00:39:15,940
Yeah, they don't die right now of them and everything, but later in their years after they're done with football, they don't have no memory.
431
00:39:15,940 --> 00:39:17,940
They're so screwed up.
432
00:39:17,940 --> 00:39:21,940
And it really plays a toll on your body then too.
433
00:39:21,940 --> 00:39:29,940
So, and I mean, it's tough. I mean, but it is, it's a decision.
434
00:39:29,940 --> 00:39:37,940
You know, I can choke on a glass of water or whatever. I mean, when it's your time, it's your time.
435
00:39:37,940 --> 00:39:44,940
And I just choose to definitely choose my time to race, race cars as much as I can.
436
00:39:44,940 --> 00:40:01,940
And I think there's a lot, you know, I had another wreck like we were talking in the shop, you know, I flipped in a pond, got an erect and flip out of the racetrack at a place and flipped upside down in a pond and was underwater for four and a half minutes and I couldn't get out.
437
00:40:01,940 --> 00:40:07,940
You know, four and a half minutes of no oxygen is obviously not good for anyone.
438
00:40:07,940 --> 00:40:16,940
And it messed me up pretty good. Like I'm left handed and I had to kind of learn how to use my left hand again. My speech was really bad.
439
00:40:16,940 --> 00:40:27,940
And a lot of I didn't really lose my memory. I lost like my memory as around that period of time.
440
00:40:27,940 --> 00:40:48,940
But my mom and dad never once told me, no, you're not getting back in the car. They basically told me that, you know, we were hard on you your whole life, physically, mentally, to prepare you for things like this.
441
00:40:48,940 --> 00:40:59,940
And there was no doubt in my mind. I mean, I remember the call. I, I jumped the car the next day. I had a really, really bad concussion.
442
00:40:59,940 --> 00:41:22,940
I was like, I'm puking everything. And I got a call for a guy to run a mini sprint. And I was like, yep, I'll be there tonight. And my mom was not happy. I got a call and I was told that if I left my dad's house that she was going to murder me basically, that I was not racing and that I was sitting there.
443
00:41:22,940 --> 00:41:39,940
So it was, it was good. I mean, I definitely was hurting. But that's just that was that's who I am. I mean, you, you knock me down. I want to prove to you that you can't hold me down though.
444
00:41:39,940 --> 00:41:53,940
So I know that was that was a pretty tough one. It took a while to recuperate from that and everything. And recently before that, I was riding a four wheel and broke my wrist. So that kind of screwed that up again.
445
00:41:53,940 --> 00:42:00,940
So I had to kind of recuperate from that also at the same time and sit out for the concussion.
446
00:42:00,940 --> 00:42:14,940
But it never made me not want to get back in the car. It made me want to get back in that much more and prove to them like, look, I can do this and get back in. You know, I know we were talking about kind of Rico's deal at Eldora.
447
00:42:14,940 --> 00:42:23,940
And it's the same thing, you know, it you may not go back just as good as you were when that happened.
448
00:42:23,940 --> 00:42:33,940
But, you know, all these guys that are out there, that's why there's tempers in this in this sport, right? I mean, everyone's so competitive.
449
00:42:33,940 --> 00:42:45,940
They're not going to settle for what being a backmarker or not being, you know, you set a track record, you're not going to settle for the next time you go to that track, you're not going to be like, Oh, I want to beat my track record.
450
00:42:45,940 --> 00:42:52,940
You know, or you are, you know, you're not going to be like, Oh, it's my track record. I don't want to beat it. No, you're going to be like, I want to make better. I want to make better.
451
00:42:52,940 --> 00:43:03,940
So no one else can. So I think there's there's definitely a lot of times that people don't understand the physical and mental part.
452
00:43:03,940 --> 00:43:10,940
I mean, a couple weeks ago after Kokomo and Fremont, I didn't even I kept having back problems kept having back problems.
453
00:43:10,940 --> 00:43:17,940
And my back certain my back certain I went, I don't know, it's been three or four weeks ago and I had a couple ribs out of place.
454
00:43:17,940 --> 00:43:26,940
My hip was out and everything like that. And I guess you don't think about that. You know, I thought, Oh, maybe it's from sleeping on the air mattresses and everything.
455
00:43:26,940 --> 00:43:35,940
But but no, I mean, I was physically hurt. I mean, I know talking to Van Gurley, he had a couple ribs out and didn't even know it. And he's been racing with it.
456
00:43:35,940 --> 00:43:42,940
You know, it definitely plays a toll on your body. But definitely this is a blue collared sport.
457
00:43:42,940 --> 00:43:49,940
And there's not too many people that are going to sit out unless you absolutely make them. That's for sure.
458
00:43:49,940 --> 00:43:57,940
When you're beat up, banged up, you know, physically and mentally, emotionally and all that, like, I mean, have you had a moment where you were like,
459
00:43:57,940 --> 00:44:00,940
I'd be OK not getting in the car this weekend.
460
00:44:00,940 --> 00:44:13,940
I don't know. Probably the time, like I said, when I had the concussion, I obviously thought I was Superman and was like, No, be good.
461
00:44:13,940 --> 00:44:19,940
And the next day I was I knew I knew I was bad.
462
00:44:19,940 --> 00:44:25,940
I mean, like I couldn't couldn't close my eyes when I was washing my hair in the shower without falling.
463
00:44:25,940 --> 00:44:31,940
I was I was really bad. So I went to the doctor and he goes, Oh, we'll sit you out four weeks.
464
00:44:31,940 --> 00:44:34,940
And I said, All right, sounds good.
465
00:44:34,940 --> 00:44:42,940
And I was anxious. I mean, I wanted like the those were the longest four weeks you see you're sitting at home.
466
00:44:42,940 --> 00:44:51,940
And at that time it was just race monitor. And and you're watching on you, you know, that like we said, that's that's when you waited two days.
467
00:44:51,940 --> 00:44:56,940
Posted it started to post on YouTube and two days later and you're like, Oh, my gosh, I can be him. I can be him. I can be him.
468
00:44:56,940 --> 00:44:59,940
I can be him. And they're getting like third and fourths.
469
00:44:59,940 --> 00:45:03,940
And you're like, Oh, my gosh, I could be getting on the podium and I'm sitting here.
470
00:45:03,940 --> 00:45:09,940
So it was definitely hard. But we went back after four weeks.
471
00:45:09,940 --> 00:45:15,940
And I was like, dude, I can't. I don't think I can.
472
00:45:15,940 --> 00:45:21,940
I had to like, I had to wear sunglasses all the time.
473
00:45:21,940 --> 00:45:30,940
My head was hurt like if I had heard a loud noise or took my sunglasses off my head would start pounding so bad.
474
00:45:30,940 --> 00:45:44,940
And I knew at that point, and you know, that was kind of after the whole BC deal and and you know, the rumors of he had a concussion the night before or a couple days before.
475
00:45:44,940 --> 00:45:51,940
And the worst thing to do is have a, you know, a concussion on top of a concussion and that's what led his deal.
476
00:45:51,940 --> 00:45:55,940
You know, that really starts to play through your mind. And I was worried.
477
00:45:55,940 --> 00:46:00,940
We went and got a CT scan and everything and made sure.
478
00:46:00,940 --> 00:46:05,940
So I definitely played that one safe because that one was really bad.
479
00:46:05,940 --> 00:46:19,940
I, I remember barely, but I went on a vacation with my dad and my brother four or five days later to the caves.
480
00:46:19,940 --> 00:46:27,940
And I really don't remember much of it. I mean, I, I remember bits and pieces, but I don't.
481
00:46:27,940 --> 00:46:35,940
I remember going to like gun town up on top of this hill, but it was like at the end of the five days.
482
00:46:35,940 --> 00:46:41,940
I mean, I don't really remember the beginning of the trip. I don't really remember going down there.
483
00:46:41,940 --> 00:46:46,940
So I think that kind of scared me because I was never that bad.
484
00:46:46,940 --> 00:46:55,940
You know, I had a couple minor concussions from football wrestling before that point, but that one was that was like, oh my gosh, these are these can be serious.
485
00:46:55,940 --> 00:47:06,940
Like now it puts in perspective of what when all these football players really lose, you know, lose everything and don't comprehend things.
486
00:47:06,940 --> 00:47:14,940
I was like, oh man, like I'm on that path. So it kind of made me worried and I'm like, I don't want to make it worse to where I am like that.
487
00:47:14,940 --> 00:47:19,940
And then I won't be able to race. So that was probably the only time.
488
00:47:19,940 --> 00:47:25,940
Heck, I mean, I broke my wrist and I was trying to figure out how to get a glove big enough to fit over my cast.
489
00:47:25,940 --> 00:47:33,940
I mean, and trying to convince everyone that instead of doing tear offs through the old roll where the buttons on the steering wheel and I could drive with one hand.
490
00:47:33,940 --> 00:47:42,940
Like, I mean, so I don't think other than that one, there wasn't really maybe when I was a kid, I wanted to go some birthday party or something.
491
00:47:42,940 --> 00:47:53,940
But I mean, I would have to say probably not. You know, I missed two weddings this year and best friends from from my whole life.
492
00:47:53,940 --> 00:48:09,940
And they knew though, I mean, they asked me to be in their wedding and I was like, sorry, I mean, you know, there's really never been no time where I've really said no, I don't want to go race.
493
00:48:09,940 --> 00:48:25,940
Have you ever has there ever been like someone outside of your family that has influenced any of your decision making or kind of been like, I don't know if you should do that and you maybe second guess it like, you know, say like a really, really good friend or like a
494
00:48:25,940 --> 00:48:33,940
girlfriend or whatever. Like, I mean, have you ever had that before and you were, you know, kind of like, you know, they're making some good points.
495
00:48:33,940 --> 00:48:36,940
I, you know, maybe, maybe I should listen to it.
496
00:48:36,940 --> 00:48:41,940
You know, there's been a lot of people that have helped me through my life.
497
00:48:41,940 --> 00:48:47,940
You know, I kind of, I got out of quarter midgets, raced mini sprint for a year.
498
00:48:47,940 --> 00:49:05,940
And I got to know Kevin Atkins and he him and his brother race sprint cars and we're kind of local legend legends of Warsaw Speedway and and everything and and Kevin ran ran some Michigan stuff and El Doran won a
499
00:49:05,940 --> 00:49:12,940
championship there in a sprint car and he kind of persuaded my dad, you know, he needs to go sprint car racing, not those things in many sprint.
500
00:49:12,940 --> 00:49:18,940
So I think he's always, he's always looked out for the better of me.
501
00:49:18,940 --> 00:49:25,940
And I grew up by Rochester, Indiana, which is, you know, the famous Gertie engines is there and everything.
502
00:49:25,940 --> 00:49:35,940
And I got to know Joe Gertie and Tim Norman and all them and Cindy Norman really well.
503
00:49:35,940 --> 00:49:37,940
And they really influenced me a lot.
504
00:49:37,940 --> 00:49:43,940
I went on the road with them when James McFadden was driving the 3G and Carson Macedo.
505
00:49:43,940 --> 00:49:53,940
So I'd really know I got to, I was very lucky to be a part of their, their success and everything and learn from them.
506
00:49:53,940 --> 00:49:58,940
And, you know, I have, I mean, there's so many people.
507
00:49:58,940 --> 00:50:08,940
I mean, Terry Bushey, I grew up racing with his grand kid when he had quarter midgets for his grand kid and ended up getting able to, you know, race for him for a couple of years.
508
00:50:08,940 --> 00:50:19,940
And there's just so many people that, you know, Steve Harding helped me along a lot in my racing career and and, you know, Lauren Dahlrenple, I raced for him and worked for him.
509
00:50:19,940 --> 00:50:35,940
He gave me a job when I was, I mean, I think my, between my freshman and sophomore year and summer I worked for him and and right out of high school, I lived at his house and worked for him and everything at his cooling and heating company.
510
00:50:35,940 --> 00:50:46,940
So there's definitely a lot of people that have helped me out through my life and and told me, hey, you probably shouldn't do that or you need to do this a little better.
511
00:50:46,940 --> 00:50:51,940
And, you know, I've known Brett for a very short time.
512
00:50:51,940 --> 00:50:57,940
And and, you know, I think I've known him probably three years.
513
00:50:57,940 --> 00:51:00,940
I ran ran the gym ford form three years ago.
514
00:51:00,940 --> 00:51:02,940
And we've got really close.
515
00:51:02,940 --> 00:51:08,940
I mean, there's been a lot of times where I wasn't even around.
516
00:51:08,940 --> 00:51:09,940
I wasn't in the same state.
517
00:51:09,940 --> 00:51:17,940
I was out in South Dakota or whatever doing something and he's like, hey, you you probably shouldn't be out partying or whatever.
518
00:51:17,940 --> 00:51:20,940
And you need to be at the shop working on the car.
519
00:51:20,940 --> 00:51:26,940
And even though I said, oh, we were there all day, he's he said, nah, probably need to be at the shop.
520
00:51:26,940 --> 00:51:27,940
You need to put more hours in.
521
00:51:27,940 --> 00:51:30,940
If you if you really want to do this for a living, you need to be there.
522
00:51:30,940 --> 00:51:35,940
So, I mean, he's he's definitely done a lot for me.
523
00:51:35,940 --> 00:51:48,940
You know, like Joe Swanson, he did a lot for me when when I was kind of I was kind of my my turning point, you know, everyone you're 19 to 21 years old.
524
00:51:48,940 --> 00:51:53,940
And, you know, you think you're invincible and you can do everything and you're kind of cocky.
525
00:51:53,940 --> 00:51:59,940
You turn 21 and you can drink and you're like, oh, I'm going to go party and all my friends are doing it.
526
00:51:59,940 --> 00:52:08,940
And, you know, he was kind of like, I think you can go party, but a different kind of party, you can go party at the racetrack.
527
00:52:08,940 --> 00:52:10,940
Like, we're going to go race.
528
00:52:10,940 --> 00:52:17,940
And if you win or something, then we can have a few beers or stuff like that, but you need to be focused.
529
00:52:17,940 --> 00:52:20,940
So they did a lot for me of keeping focus.
530
00:52:20,940 --> 00:52:26,940
And like I said, I mean, obviously, my mom and dad were always really good at doing that.
531
00:52:26,940 --> 00:52:32,940
And my whole family was, but, you know, I think I think there was a lot of people.
532
00:52:32,940 --> 00:52:35,940
I mean, there's so many people that I couldn't.
533
00:52:35,940 --> 00:52:39,940
There's there's a lot of people that I couldn't even name them all.
534
00:52:39,940 --> 00:52:47,940
And I know I'm forgetting a lot of them that that helped me kind of guide through my life and get me to where I'm at right now.
535
00:52:47,940 --> 00:52:59,940
Even, even, you know, like you said, there's so many people outside of the racing community that you can take things in life that that help you in the racing community also.
536
00:52:59,940 --> 00:53:02,940
So there's there's definitely a lot of people out there.
537
00:53:02,940 --> 00:53:15,940
Yeah, you brought up the party scene and it's like I I feel like I relate to that a lot because I looked at like, you know, when I lived in Texas, like I've never been a big party or whatever.
538
00:53:15,940 --> 00:53:21,940
And I was kind of always just like very to myself, like I've never really been a big drinker and like right now I don't drink.
539
00:53:21,940 --> 00:53:26,940
And but I, you know, I look at my time in Texas and it for me, it all started.
540
00:53:26,940 --> 00:53:40,940
I went to a acoustic concert at a craft brewery just because I want to hear, you know, the artist play and I had met, you know, a guy there and his name's a Miller and he's, you know, we don't talk much now.
541
00:53:40,940 --> 00:53:54,940
Obviously, I'm not there, but I mean, one of my best friends and, you know, he introduced me to the music scene and then I met, you know, a couple girls through him and I ended up dating the one and I just felt like I was spending so much time partying.
542
00:53:54,940 --> 00:54:02,940
And it was, you know, maybe not like the the college parties that you see and like Project X, like no one was jumping off roofs into a pool and all that.
543
00:54:02,940 --> 00:54:14,940
But you're just constantly like we were constantly at the bar and constantly drinking and it like, I mean, I look back at it now and I was like, that's the most miserable that I've ever been in my life and I never knew it.
544
00:54:14,940 --> 00:54:22,940
Like I wasn't even, I wasn't watching races on the weekend like I wanted to. I was big into rodeo at the time. I wasn't even get to watch rodeos.
545
00:54:22,940 --> 00:54:40,940
And it just like wore me down and I felt so disconnected from everything and I, I felt like my mental health like me as a person was suffering from it so bad and it was like, I, you know, gotta get an escape from this.
546
00:54:40,940 --> 00:54:54,940
I gotta get out of this somehow or another. And you know, I finally, you know, was doing the photography side for the music scene and I got with this band and they were super, you know, laid back and they weren't big, you know, huge partiers or whatever.
547
00:54:54,940 --> 00:55:06,940
And it for like the first time I was like really able to focus on my craft and like I look now and like I post videos here, you know, whatever on the social media pages and I look at them like, well that video is terrible.
548
00:55:06,940 --> 00:55:15,940
Like that sucks. Like I could do so much better. But like at that time when I was partying, I was just like, oh, this is the best I can do. And you know, whatever.
549
00:55:15,940 --> 00:55:29,940
And like once I got clear headed and was out with the parties, you know, I was really focusing on my craft. I was finding all the things that I wasn't doing, like very minimal things like changing one slider from 10 to 12 makes all the difference or whatever or like shooting in this setting.
550
00:55:29,940 --> 00:55:44,940
And it was just, I mean, it was eye opening and like, you know, for the first time ever, like in the last year, I've really learned like that's a legitimate thing. Like if you're partying all the time and, you know, all you care about is having a good time after the races and drinking and like, you're never going to be where you want to be.
551
00:55:44,940 --> 00:55:55,940
And I feel like you're always going to be chasing after, you know, like I said earlier, like chasing ghosts, like you're just, you're going to be reaching out for something that's never going to be attainable because you're not putting yourself in a position to get there in the first place.
552
00:55:55,940 --> 00:56:06,940
And I, and I just, I look at the partying scene and I'm just like, you know, it's fun while you're in it. Like when the party's over, like, is it was it really worth it? Like, are you better as a person? Are you?
553
00:56:06,940 --> 00:56:15,940
And it's like, if just someone close to you could pull you out and just shake you around and be like, wake up, wake up, you have so much potential and you're not realizing it.
554
00:56:15,940 --> 00:56:30,940
And if you just paid attention, like all this stuff and it's like, I go back now and I look and I'm like, all it took for me to get into this media scene now with racing and where I'm at and be like, I feel like I'm producing somewhat decent quality content with someone to believe in me.
555
00:56:30,940 --> 00:56:31,940
Yeah.
556
00:56:31,940 --> 00:56:47,940
And you know, and we talked about that at the fair race about some of the things going on or whatever, but it was like, you know, I dated this girl and her mom and her were so supportive of everything I was doing. And like, I don't think I know that like they don't have any interest in it.
557
00:56:47,940 --> 00:56:57,940
Like they're not big on social media. Like, I mean, very, very to themselves, but they were very supportive of everything I did. And I was like, you know, at the time, I don't think I appreciated it for what it is.
558
00:56:57,940 --> 00:57:13,940
Like now obviously after after the fact, like I look back on and I'm like, I, you know, that was like the support that I needed to get going, get my feet on the ground and, you know, not take off running but walk and like now I feel like I'm at a point where I'm running.
559
00:57:13,940 --> 00:57:14,940
Yeah.
560
00:57:14,940 --> 00:57:31,940
And you know, the podcast came to mind and like I feel like I'm running and I probably shouldn't still probably be crawling because I'm gonna, I'm gonna get so far ahead of myself. But it's just like, all it took me was one person to believe in one person to support me in like everything after that came.
561
00:57:31,940 --> 00:57:46,940
I want to say easy, but it came a lot easier or if it was hard. I knew that if I ever wanted to throw in the towel that I would have someone to like be there and support me and all that. And I just, I mean, that's just so important in life.
562
00:57:46,940 --> 00:58:05,940
You just need people to support you and be in your corner and believe and I think it's so easy for a lot of us to get lost in this idea of like, we fail once we're just going to do nothing but fail. And there's a quote.
563
00:58:05,940 --> 00:58:24,940
And it's, it's so cliche for me to say this and I know anyone that listens is gonna be like, I didn't know he listened to that person because I mean it's such, you know, I she speaks to women more than anybody but her name's a closet poet and she records all these poems from her closet and one of them she talks and she's like,
564
00:58:24,940 --> 00:58:42,940
what if it all went right? It's so good to hear and like try to have that mindset because I think we get so focused on what if it goes wrong, you know, if I throw this slider here if I make this decision here, what if it doesn't go right?
565
00:58:42,940 --> 00:58:59,940
What if, you know, I junk a race car or worse like this is it this is it this is the last time I ever, you know, get the have another breath in this earth and it's like, but what if it goes right? What if you throw the slider? What if you hit that line like no one's run the top and you hit the top and it's perfect and you shoot
566
00:58:59,940 --> 00:59:21,940
like what if it goes right and all of a sudden you're winning like I think if it goes right it's so easy to say, oh, blah, blah, blah, but if it goes wrong, it's so easy to be like, and I think that like if we just were to think what if it all goes right from the start, I think we'd find ourselves in so much better and successful positions because we're just naturally going to gravitate, you know, towards those things.
567
00:59:21,940 --> 00:59:32,940
So it's pretty, I my dad always has always kind of told me you it's it sucks me getting second and we've got a set got second a lot this year.
568
00:59:32,940 --> 00:59:42,940
And, and he's always told me, you know, whenever, whenever I get second or third, I'm probably not very happy if I get forth, whatever.
569
00:59:42,940 --> 00:59:51,940
But if I got second or third, I'm usually like, especially second, I'm not a happy camper because you're that close, obviously, and you want it that bad.
570
00:59:51,940 --> 00:59:56,940
But he always said, you know, just keep putting yourself in position and the time will come.
571
00:59:56,940 --> 01:00:01,940
I mean, and, and like this weekend, you know, that's literally what he texts me after that.
572
01:00:01,940 --> 01:00:04,940
After Friday, you know, we'll cut wrecked.
573
01:00:04,940 --> 01:00:08,940
And I was pretty discouraged and he goes, you just got to keep putting yourself in position.
574
01:00:08,940 --> 01:00:09,940
You guys have been doing that.
575
01:00:09,940 --> 01:00:10,940
It'll come.
576
01:00:10,940 --> 01:00:11,940
It'll come.
577
01:00:11,940 --> 01:00:17,940
So then we went Saturday and he texts me that and we went sat Sunday.
578
01:00:17,940 --> 01:00:20,940
And he goes, I'm telling you, this is your time.
579
01:00:20,940 --> 01:00:31,940
And, you know, I think, I think, and he also told me this, you know, you know, we went through a stretch like we were talking earlier that it was not very good.
580
01:00:31,940 --> 01:00:33,940
We were we were wrecking.
581
01:00:33,940 --> 01:00:34,940
We were getting wrecked.
582
01:00:34,940 --> 01:00:37,940
We had terrible luck on the redraw.
583
01:00:37,940 --> 01:00:41,940
I mean, just we had, you know, a box go bad at Sharon one night.
584
01:00:41,940 --> 01:00:45,940
I mean, just things that weren't going our way.
585
01:00:45,940 --> 01:00:50,940
And I was getting pretty discouraged and upset.
586
01:00:50,940 --> 01:00:58,940
And he said, you know, nights like these make the one night that is good that much better.
587
01:00:58,940 --> 01:01:06,940
So and what kind of like you said, you know, if everything was went right, if everything went as planned.
588
01:01:06,940 --> 01:01:13,940
You know, people wouldn't value those nights of winning a race on a last lap at Wayne's field like that.
589
01:01:13,940 --> 01:01:21,940
You know, if if I won every night, it would have just been another win, you know, and and you wouldn't have been excited.
590
01:01:21,940 --> 01:01:26,940
You wouldn't have been up on the top wing, you know, pumping your chest pumping your fists up in the air.
591
01:01:26,940 --> 01:01:29,940
It's it's the nights of the grueling up and down the road.
592
01:01:29,940 --> 01:01:35,940
The, you know, the ribs out of place, the sleeping on air mattresses, you know, the the eating.
593
01:01:35,940 --> 01:01:40,940
Eating McDonald's because that's the only place open at two in the morning going down the road.
594
01:01:40,940 --> 01:01:47,940
You know, people don't see that, but that inside makes you feel so good that you sacrificed all that stuff.
595
01:01:47,940 --> 01:01:50,940
And you finally got up on the top steps.
596
01:01:50,940 --> 01:02:01,940
So I think that's a lot of the people, you know, like you said, you know, beyond the visor that that's is cool that you're doing because a lot of people don't understand that.
597
01:02:01,940 --> 01:02:11,940
You know, I think they think, oh, yeah, you just go up and down the road, you know, they're eating concession stand food and they're going home taking a shower and laying in their own bed or going to a hotel.
598
01:02:11,940 --> 01:02:18,940
And and they don't understand that, you know, they get up the next day and they go eat lunch.
599
01:02:18,940 --> 01:02:22,940
They get up at nine, 10 o'clock because they were out late or, you know, whatever.
600
01:02:22,940 --> 01:02:25,940
And these guys up and down the road, they're getting up it.
601
01:02:25,940 --> 01:02:37,940
They go to bed at three, four in the morning and they're back up at six, seven in the morning and they're outside in the blister and heat and working on the race car for the next night.
602
01:02:37,940 --> 01:02:43,940
And, you know, yeah, a lot of people, oh, you're not working a 40 hour week job.
603
01:02:43,940 --> 01:02:49,940
But if you break it down, you're working, you're working 40 to 60 hours in a week.
604
01:02:49,940 --> 01:02:55,940
And and instead of five days, it might be three days.
605
01:02:55,940 --> 01:03:04,940
It's a Friday, Saturday, Sunday, you know, you're six o'clock till four or five in the morning the next day.
606
01:03:04,940 --> 01:03:16,940
I mean, so and it's not like you're just hanging out, you know, so I think I think the aspect of things people.
607
01:03:16,940 --> 01:03:35,940
Of you talking to different people and then telling the experiences and everything that goes on is pretty cool because the fans can relate to it more and be more personable with people, you know, some people might not come up to me because they don't think I'm personable or or they're they're nervous to or whatever.
608
01:03:35,940 --> 01:03:38,940
And and that's definitely not the case.
609
01:03:38,940 --> 01:03:44,940
I mean, I if any fan wants to come up and talk about how blue the sky is, I'll talk about how blue the sky is.
610
01:03:44,940 --> 01:03:46,940
I mean, it don't matter to me.
611
01:03:46,940 --> 01:04:04,940
I mean, some guys they they really focus and I think one thing that was really hard for Brett is I'll be sitting there laughing and joking and having fun while I'm strapping in the car before we can be starting on the front row of the Knoxville Nationals and I'm going to be having fun.
612
01:04:04,940 --> 01:04:13,940
I mean, and and I think at the beginning of the year, Brett was Brett was usually if anyone knows Brett Lane, he's usually pretty uptight.
613
01:04:13,940 --> 01:04:21,940
And and and focused and and not saying that I'm not, but it keeps me in the right frame of mind.
614
01:04:21,940 --> 01:04:27,940
And and I think he's helped me a lot of kind of relaxing on some things that I've been nervous on.
615
01:04:27,940 --> 01:04:29,940
And I think I've really helped him a lot.
616
01:04:29,940 --> 01:04:42,940
I mean, we get to the racetrack and we'll sit there and joke and laugh and and usually here recently, every time I've been getting in the race car, he's he's usually made fun of me.
617
01:04:42,940 --> 01:04:46,940
Or said some things that definitely can't say on air.
618
01:04:46,940 --> 01:05:00,940
And but he's definitely made it a lot of fun and and kept my mind off things, even even when I might be a little nervous about something, he'll make a joke or something when I'm getting in or or give me a little confidence boosts boost.
619
01:05:00,940 --> 01:05:09,940
So and 100 us to, you know, every, every time I think in one of your video, your video for Speed Week, we roll out there and he gives me a fist bump and it never fails.
620
01:05:09,940 --> 01:05:17,940
He's always got a catchy saying to say to me and usually it's do something cool.
621
01:05:17,940 --> 01:05:21,940
And, you know, I was actually going to post something today.
622
01:05:21,940 --> 01:05:28,940
We we won at Millstream and I get on the wing, do a wing dance and I come down and he gives me a fist bump.
623
01:05:28,940 --> 01:05:31,940
And he goes, all right, you did something pretty cool.
624
01:05:31,940 --> 01:05:36,940
You know, and and like for me and him, that's, you know, I feel like that's something I'll never forget.
625
01:05:36,940 --> 01:05:40,940
You know, right before I left, he gives me a fist bump, he goes, yeah, all right.
626
01:05:40,940 --> 01:05:42,940
And I said, I don't know, are we are we good?
627
01:05:42,940 --> 01:05:43,940
I don't know.
628
01:05:43,940 --> 01:05:46,940
And he goes, I don't know, but do something cool.
629
01:05:46,940 --> 01:05:49,940
Like, and and rides away on the four wheeler.
630
01:05:49,940 --> 01:05:56,940
You know, we're both laughing and and we ripped the top and and and we win and and he's a go.
631
01:05:56,940 --> 01:05:57,940
That was cool.
632
01:05:57,940 --> 01:06:03,940
So, you know, it's just it's things like that that people people don't see of.
633
01:06:03,940 --> 01:06:13,940
That's a joy for us, for me and him of being able to laugh about that time, you know, when we're 40, 50 years old or, you know, hell on our deathbed.
634
01:06:13,940 --> 01:06:15,940
We can we can have a laugh at that.
635
01:06:15,940 --> 01:06:19,940
And so, like you said earlier, we're just people.
636
01:06:19,940 --> 01:06:22,940
I mean, everyone's just a normal person.
637
01:06:22,940 --> 01:06:24,940
We all put our pants on the same way.
638
01:06:24,940 --> 01:06:27,940
We all put our sweatshirts and shirts and underwear on the same way.
639
01:06:27,940 --> 01:06:34,940
And even though some people might act like, you know, that they they do it differently, they don't.
640
01:06:34,940 --> 01:06:38,940
I mean, so a lot of the local guys, though, will talk to you.
641
01:06:38,940 --> 01:06:40,940
So and I think it's cool.
642
01:06:40,940 --> 01:06:44,940
Like you, like I said, you're you're trying to give back to the racing community by doing this.
643
01:06:44,940 --> 01:06:56,940
And I feel like the between the people that think the the racers are racers, you know, and they're not normal people and the robots like they are.
644
01:06:56,940 --> 01:07:03,940
And this might get them get the fans closer to closer to to the racers and the teams and everything.
645
01:07:03,940 --> 01:07:11,940
And hopefully if if it helps one or two people this weekend on this podcast, come up to me and say, Hey, man, that was pretty cool.
646
01:07:11,940 --> 01:07:13,940
You know, I really like what you guys are doing.
647
01:07:13,940 --> 01:07:17,940
And and and it made me laugh or made me smile.
648
01:07:17,940 --> 01:07:20,940
You know, maybe they had a bad day at work or whatever.
649
01:07:20,940 --> 01:07:23,940
And they they watched this and then they smile and laugh.
650
01:07:23,940 --> 01:07:24,940
Then then we did a good job.
651
01:07:24,940 --> 01:07:26,940
Yeah, I appreciate that.
652
01:07:26,940 --> 01:07:33,940
And I think that's really what the the goal ultimately is, is just to kind of I just want to bring that side out.
653
01:07:33,940 --> 01:07:41,940
And it's it's something that we lose so often in sports because, you know, we just kind of look as entertainers, athletes, you know, they're here for us.
654
01:07:41,940 --> 01:07:45,940
And and I will, you know, I've always advocated the fans are the most important part.
655
01:07:45,940 --> 01:07:47,940
Ultimately, the racers are trying to entertain the fans and all that.
656
01:07:47,940 --> 01:07:52,940
And 100 percent, you know, I still believe in that idea because I mean, that's what makes the sport work.
657
01:07:52,940 --> 01:07:54,940
There are other people still at the end of the day.
658
01:07:54,940 --> 01:07:59,940
And I think if we can bring those stories out or, you know, bring some of the things out, it'll help.
659
01:07:59,940 --> 01:08:03,940
And I think that's a lot of people don't understand that.
660
01:08:03,940 --> 01:08:11,940
And and like I said, this, I think, hopefully you do in the podcast and the social media nowadays helps a lot of that.
661
01:08:11,940 --> 01:08:15,940
And maybe people are more aware of it.
662
01:08:15,940 --> 01:08:20,940
And really, you don't have to be in the scene of the racing.
663
01:08:20,940 --> 01:08:21,940
You don't have to beat the races.
664
01:08:21,940 --> 01:08:29,940
You don't have to be interacting with the racers as much nowadays to get to know the racers really personally.
665
01:08:29,940 --> 01:08:38,940
You know, I mean, I like recently I've got into golf and I got to think back.
666
01:08:38,940 --> 01:08:39,940
Stamble for that.
667
01:08:39,940 --> 01:08:45,940
I've never really I like golf and I went with my aunt a couple of times and Max has always been wanting me to go.
668
01:08:45,940 --> 01:08:47,940
And I was terrible.
669
01:08:47,940 --> 01:08:49,940
I was terrible.
670
01:08:49,940 --> 01:08:57,940
And usually it was because I'm so competitive and I was I never grew up golfing a lot.
671
01:08:57,940 --> 01:09:00,940
And it's obviously hard sport to learn and everything.
672
01:09:00,940 --> 01:09:01,940
I played baseball.
673
01:09:01,940 --> 01:09:06,940
So it's really hard to correlate those to get together.
674
01:09:06,940 --> 01:09:09,940
But I've gotten better and everything at that.
675
01:09:09,940 --> 01:09:16,940
You know, if I wouldn't have said this on there, there's probably a lot of people out there that would have came up to me and talked racing with me.
676
01:09:16,940 --> 01:09:23,940
Now I might have five people come up and say, hey, you know, you go golf and recently what's your best score?
677
01:09:23,940 --> 01:09:25,940
Or have you gone golfing here?
678
01:09:25,940 --> 01:09:26,940
Have you got like so?
679
01:09:26,940 --> 01:09:30,940
But yeah, I mean, I think just things like that.
680
01:09:30,940 --> 01:09:38,940
I mean, I think that, you know, it's always funny like the thing with our team is is top fives.
681
01:09:38,940 --> 01:09:40,940
We go to Denny's around here.
682
01:09:40,940 --> 01:09:42,940
There's nothing open for food.
683
01:09:42,940 --> 01:09:50,940
There's Frickers and Denny's and you can only eat so much burgers and chicken wings and and everything so much.
684
01:09:50,940 --> 01:10:00,940
So we kind of always had a funny thing going around with all our team and my family and his family and everything that top five finishes.
685
01:10:00,940 --> 01:10:07,940
We all go to Denny's and eat because we're always hungry and Taco Bell and McDonald's gets boring.
686
01:10:07,940 --> 01:10:12,940
So everyone liked that and we all made fun of that and everything.
687
01:10:12,940 --> 01:10:18,940
So it's just things like that where you kind of learn more about people on the social media side.
688
01:10:18,940 --> 01:10:23,940
And I think, like you said, the the float is doing a pretty good job.
689
01:10:23,940 --> 01:10:28,940
Obviously, Noss just came out with their kind of episode deal.
690
01:10:28,940 --> 01:10:34,940
But they don't get really personal, like you said, you know, they kind of stay on the racing deal.
691
01:10:34,940 --> 01:10:42,940
And like we talked, if you're already involved, if there if people are going to watch this, they already know what we're doing at the racetrack.
692
01:10:42,940 --> 01:10:45,940
They know we're racing. They know how we did.
693
01:10:45,940 --> 01:10:49,940
They know our lap time, you know, they know if we flip, they know if we did good.
694
01:10:49,940 --> 01:11:05,940
It's it's cool to give them another look of all the racers and the people in the racing community.