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This is Beyond Reality.
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Hi, Tully.
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Hello.
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Thank you so much for joining me.
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You look amazing today.
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Oh, what do you mean?
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I just did this quickly this morning while I was breastfeeding.
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How are you feeling after being murdered so close to the end?
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I know it was a hard watch last night.
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I was in tears.
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Shock.
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Shock.
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Being crying.
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Who would have thought?
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No, it was a really hard watch.
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It was a really hard watch.
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It was hard.
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That's the first time we're seeing any of sort of the behind-the-scenes conclave chats.
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So I didn't know how it went down.
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And I have to say, to watch Reese try and keep me in and my bestie Kirby be the one to sort of put her foot down and throw me out.
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That was um, that was tough.
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That was tough.
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But yeah, look, I'm so proud of myself.
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Top six.
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Like, you can't ask for much more than that.
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I mean, you can.
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You can ask to win the whole thing, can't you?
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But I'm I'm really proud of myself.
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Yeah, I was really interested to know about that seeing Kirby be the person that decided to murder you.
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How did that feel?
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Not great.
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Not great.
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Um, you know, we've obviously chatted since filming, and and she's told me all kinds of, you know, I wanted to do this and this was my plan, I was gonna do this.
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But then to see it and how it actually went down, I was like, oh, oh, so it was Riz that wanted to keep me and Kirby wanted me gone.
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I I do understand, you know, she said I was her moroma.
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She didn't want to take me to the end only to stab me in the back um so magnificently and take all my money.
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So I do understand that to a degree.
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And if I'm gonna be honest, my plan was to get her the next day anyway.
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Had I survived the murder, my plan was then to finally let Josh in on the fact that I was pretty sure Kirby was the trader, and then we probably would have banished Kirby, and that would have been, you know, her downfall.
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So I I have to give credit where credit's due.
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She she shot first.
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So that's the game, right?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I guess there's some comfort as well knowing that she didn't want to, I guess, take your money face to face.
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Yeah, comfort, yeah, sure.
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Yeah, I doesn't that's nice and cozy.
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I'm sure.
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Look, let's be real, I don't think I would have lasted as long as I did had she not been protecting me.
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Um, so I do owe it to her and Alex, really, a little bit.
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I can't be too mad with her.
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You seem to have such an interesting relationship with Kirby.
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I guess.
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Can you tell me about that?
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And at what point did you clock that she was a traitor?
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Well, I figured out that Alex was a traitor pretty early on, purely because we're such good friends in the real world.
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And I just noticed a real change in her behavior and the way she interacted with me.
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Um, it was pretty normal and all very chummy chummy, right up until you know, Gretel picked the traitors.
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And then I kind of lost her as a friend.
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She was kind of avoiding me.
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I'd try and talk to her about strategy, or you know, I'd try and catch her before the round table and ask, Who were you going for?
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What are you thinking?
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And she was just very avoidant.
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And I was like, something's amiss here.
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Um, she was just acting very strange.
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And then there were a few instances where, and a few other people also noticed this.
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I did also notice the very dramatic hand in heads when Diko was banished.
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I thought, what the hell are you doing?
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And then said the breakfast with AJ.
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And I just, I was sitting there going, What who is this person?
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What are you doing?
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This is so out of character.
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So I was pretty on to Alex early on, and then I think I just figured out it must have been Kirby.
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Kirby and I, you, I don't know if you noticed, but we were often in the cars together.
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Um, the car trips to the challenges are really vital moments in that game.
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Those small groups, getting to chat in complete privacy with the people that you're driving with, vital, vital for your gameplay.
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And I'm not sure if anyone else noticed, but I was often with Kirby.
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And I think that's because she liked driving with me, because I was never hounding her or asking her about the game.
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I was never asking her who she thought was a trader, what she thought she was going to do that night, because I was pretty sure it was her.
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So I think she enjoyed the break, and I enjoyed, I guess, getting to talk about things other than the game.
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So we kind of stuck together for very different reasons.
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Um, but yeah, I had a feeling I had friends in high places because otherwise, how else did I keep surviving?
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Everybody knew I was a faithful.
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And when everybody knows you're a faithful and there's never any suspicion on you, you are useless to the traitors.
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So the fact that I kept waking up in the morning alive, I was like, nah, something's amiss here.
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Like, I reckon my best dead are the bad guys.
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I love that.
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I mean, you've covered so much ground there, so uh there's a lot to unpack with that.
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Interesting that you knew that Alex was a traitor and you could tell by her behavior given that you were her friend.
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Because we didn't, I guess, see that you were onto her as much in the edit.
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So that's really interesting.
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When it comes to Kirby, what was the tell for you?
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I'd watched her play Survivor both times.
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I was a big fan of Kirby.
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I went in there saying I pretty much knew that no matter who was in the cast, I would have watched them on previous shows.
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I'm a reality TV fan.
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I watch literally everything, including overseas versions of the show, including sometimes shows with subtitles.
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Like I've watched Korean dating shows before with subtitles.
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So I knew that the chances of me knowing everybody was high, right?
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And I'd watch Kirby twice.
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In fact, I was a fan of hers.
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I'd, you know, I was in her DMs, and I told myself, don't let anybody know that you're onto them.
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Because I think it is an advantage knowing how people play their own games and knowing how people work.
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But of course, me being me, the minute I saw Kirby get out of the car, I was like, oh and I like ran over to her and I was like, damn it, Tully, you were supposed to pretend that you hadn't watched anybody.
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But I knew she played, I knew how she played Survivor, and she played Survivor very aggressively.
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And so to watch her kind of sit back and not really, you know, be forward-facing and not really throw a lot of names out and kind of just go with the flow and say things like, Oh, well, you know, I'm with you, so I'll do whatever you do tonight.
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That's not how Kirby plays these games.
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She plays aggressively.
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So I thought the fact that she wasn't playing like she usually plays these games, that was sus.
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Um, she also just she was very much, you know, the fact that we had so much evidence for her, why we all ignored that time and time again.
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I'm not sure.
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I mean, I had my own reasons for ignoring it.
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I was ignoring it on purpose.
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But yeah, watching it back, it's it's actually incredible how she's how she gets through every episode.
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I'm like, wow.
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Like, she she's phenomenal.
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She's so great at playing these games.
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I love how perceptive you are in terms of reading Kirby's game because you're exactly right.
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Like, Kirby does play aggressively.
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You see it in Survivor, it's very much Kirby's way or the highway.
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She gets what she wants.
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You see it in the city.
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You see that in the conclave.
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Yeah, you see that in the conclave.
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You see her playing Survivor in the Conclave.
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She has pretty much made sure that everyone she wanted murdered got murdered.
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And she she played her same social manipulation game in the target with the other traitors.
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She managed to convince them all time and time again to go the way she wanted to go.
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Yeah, so definitely being a fan of reality TV served you well in the game, knowing that I guess you did keep your cards very close to your chest, knowing that Kirby was a traitor.
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Do you wish, in hindsight, that you spoke up a little bit sooner and maybe, you know, compared notes with Josh or tried to push for a Kirby vote?
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Because she did get you first.
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She did, she did.
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But also, I mean, have you seen how the others played?
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Like, I I couldn't, I couldn't trust them to keep their mouth shut.
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I couldn't trust them to keep their cool.
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I really needed for my plan to work, Kirby needed to believe that I believed she was a faithful to the very end, or it wouldn't have worked.
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And the way Josh was playing, the way Kira was playing, and they're the only two that I knew, you know, in my heart of hearts were faithfuls.
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I was still unsure on Reese, I was still unsure on Chrissy, but I knew that at least Kira and Josh were faithful.
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So my plan was to take them to the end.
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But in order for that to work, Kirby needed to believe I was the faithful.
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And the way that Josh and Kira were playing, I didn't trust that if I had let them in on that, that they would have kept their mouth shut or kept their cool.
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I didn't trust them to keep my game.
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And and like that's I think fair enough.
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But it's so frustrating because that last night before I was murdered, that I literally pulled Josh aside and I said, okay, I I figured it was time.
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And my plan was the next morning to fill him in.
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But of course, again, Kirby shot first and um and she got me.
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Yeah, there's so many ways you could look back on it in hindsight.
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I should have could have woodas even last night.
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I was like, oh, if I'd done this and done that a little bit sooner, if I, you know, if I'd even if I had told someone, because I told Kirby I had a shield on purpose.
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Everyone thinks that I'm a dum-dum for doing that.
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But I thought, look, if she's been protecting me this long to know that I'm vulnerable if she's to protect me again tonight in the tyrant, right?
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But had I told someone else that I'd told Kirby that, then maybe they could have pieced it together after I left.
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Because watching Josh last night, bless him, just be so sure that Kirby's a faithful, I'm like, oh.
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Well, he told me that he was playing her in that moment.
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Okay, sure.
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Sure.
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So if you weren't murdered, so the other option was they were looking at Chrissy.
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If Chrissy was murdered in your place, what was your end game plan?
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Okay, Chrissy was murdered, great.
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That's great for me because she had a question mark on her head.
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I wasn't sure.
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I didn't know who the other trader was.
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I'm not going to pretend that I had the whole game figured out.
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I didn't, I knew Kirby, well, I thought Kirby was a trader, and I wasn't sure who the other one was.
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Wasn't sure on Reese, wasn't sure on Chrissy.
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So had Chrissy been murdered, amazing for me.
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I would have told Josh, maybe not Kira yet, I don't know.
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I would have definitely told Josh that I think it's Kirby.
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We would have banished Kirby at the last banishment ceremony, and then we would have gotten rid of Reese and kept going until it was me, Kira, and Josh at the end and split the prize money.
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That was my game plan.
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So you would have been happy to split it three ways.
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I was.
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Josh wanted it to be the two of us, but uh no, I there's I even said to my partner last night, do you think I would have been able to, because I knew that Josh wanted to be just the two of us, but I think there's no way I would have been able to banish Kira.
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I couldn't have even pretended to be suspect on Kira.
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I knew Kira was a faithful, and I would have happily split the money three ways with Josh and Kira.
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So if Josh had thrown in a red, would you have taken out Josh or Kira?
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Kira.
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But I wouldn't have been happy about it.
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I would have tried to maybe at the end, I don't know, transferred her a little bit of money.
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I don't know.
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But um Josh and I, and again, you didn't get to see it sadly, because obviously there's only so many, you know, hours in an episode, but um minutes in an episode, I should say.
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But Josh and I were really close.
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Josh and I were close from day one.
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We were in the car together on the way to the manor, and we were really, really close the whole game.
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And I definitely, if I had to, if it came down to it, I would have had to have picked Josh over Kira.
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You have obviously been journaling and sort of talking on social media about what you were writing each day.
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I have to do it.
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In terms of your suspicions.
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I want to know what was the funniest theory you had that was completely wrong.
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Oh God, there were so many funny theories that were completely wrong.
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Um see, I like again, yes, maybe I figured out that Alex was a traitor and Kevin was a traitor, but I also was like, every person, everyone's name I wrote down, Bar Lawson.
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So when I wrote down Rachel's, I was sus on Rachel.
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I thought Rachel could be a traitor.
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When I wrote down Claudia's, despite not wanting to believe it because I love Claude's, I did think that she could possibly be a traitor.
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Lawson was a hard one for me because I knew he wasn't.
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But again, in order to get to my final three, he was kind of collateral damage.
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But I think writing down, you know, every day, I'm like, you know, I'm really sus on Claudia or I'm really sus on Rachel.
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And then you watch it back and you're like, why?
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Why were you sus?
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Like, what did they do?
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The paranoia is so real.
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And because we haven't got phones and we haven't got friends and family to debrief with, you get back.
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Like, I literally cut myself.
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I got a paper cut because I was scribbling furiously every night, trying to get all my thoughts out of my head.
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I cut myself, but I didn't have time to stop.
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So this blood ripped through my journal.
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Um, but you've really only got yourself to bounce these ideas off.
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So you kind of gaslight yourself and you jump around.
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You put your body on the line for this game.
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I did.
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I quite literally did.
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I mean, we were we were trying for a baby before I agreed to do the show.
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And then I thought, hang on a minute, let's stop trying because if I have to do physical challenges, I can't be pregnant.
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So I really did put my body on the line.
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It was, it was physical.
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There were physical challenges.
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I should have gone to the gym before I filmed for sure.
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I have one last question.
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Obviously, you were introduced to Australia in 2013 on Big Brother.
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It's 13 years later.
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How different is the Tully today compared to the person that stepped into the Big Brother house?
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Oh my God, worlds apart.
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And I think it's been really nice to see Australia realize that too.
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I've received so many beautiful messages and comments and DMs from people that have been here since day one who have grown up with me and they're they're proud of me.
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They're proud, proud of how I held myself, how I played my game.
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I think it's been really humbling for me to watch the show back because I don't get a lot of screen time, especially in those early days.
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And it's because, for once, I'm not in the middle of the drama.
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I'm not the one creating the drama, I'm not the one involved in the arguments, in the bickering.
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I've grown up, I've evolved and I've matured.
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And I think someone said last night, you know, how does it feel to suddenly be, you know, the most grounded, stable one in there?
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And I just, I never thought that would be me, to be honest.
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But that was one of my goals.
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I'd be lying if I if it wasn't.
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It was one of my goals to show the country, you know, who I really am, um, and not, you know, those heads from 13 years ago.
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So I may not have won the money, but I am really proud of how I played.
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And I'm proud that I played a game where I didn't lie to anyone's face and I played with integrity and I and I kept my word and I protected my friends, you know, even to my detriment.
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You know, I I knew Alex was a trade-arch.
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I knew she was gonna go home that night, but I still couldn't be the one to put that final nail in her coffin.
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I couldn't write her name down.
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Because that's because I I always say that at the end of the day, you have to go to sleep with yourself at night, right?
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And yes, I get it.
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It's a game.
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I understand that.
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I understand it's a game, but you still have to go to bed with yourself at night and with your decisions.
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And I I can say that I slept pretty well, as well as could be if you're waiting for it, you know, to be murdered in your sleep with my decisions.
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So I'm I'm really proud of myself and I hope that Australia is is proud of me too.
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It's been so nice to see you have that experience.
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It feels like it's been a little bit healing for you.
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I can see that you're emotional about it.
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Absolutely, yeah, yeah.
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Don't say that, because then I will start crying.
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Yeah, no, I'm I think that um, you know, when you go through something like I went through all those years ago at 25, it stays with you.
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It's a scar.
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Even to this day, every article that's written about me, the last paragraph will be like, you might remember Tully from blah blah blah, and it just every single, you know, I I'm never gonna get away from it.
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And it's just not who I am.
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And so I think it's it is healing.
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It's it's really healing to be able to show the country a different side of me and that uh, you know, I've I'm all grown up.
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I'm I have a baby now, a trader's baby.
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Congratulations.
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Thank you so much.
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I'm so glad that she's not screaming right now.
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Um, but no, it's it's honestly, I had the best time.
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The fact that I almost didn't do it, it's wild because it honestly was the best experience.
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I'm so happy for you.
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We've run out of time for quick fire questions, but I want to sneak two in.
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You can text them to me if you want, and I'll I'll uh reply them back.
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I'd love to know if you could be on any other reality show.
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What would you be on?
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Or are you retiring?
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No, absolutely not.
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My dream has always been to do I'm a celebrity.
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That has been my dream for like seven years now.
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I want to raise money for Dementia Australia.
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I want to show, again, the country that, you know, I'm not afraid to eat a pig's asshole or whatever it is.
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Um, I think it's like the closest show to Big Brother in that you really get to see different sides of people and you get to hear people's stories.
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And so I'm a celebrity would be the dream for sure.
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I mean, that's a headline.
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I want to show Australia I'm not afraid to eat a pig's asshole.
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Babe, it's yours, Haley.
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That's my gift to you.
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You're welcome.
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My final question is which Australian celebrity would you like to see play on the next traitors?
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Oh, that's so tricky.
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That's so tricky.
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I think you definitely need a comedian in there.
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I think we really needed Reese to lighten the mood.
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It is tense in there.
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Those round tables are so much more intense than they seem on TV.
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So I definitely think we need a comedian.
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I definitely think we need a female comedian.
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Um, someone like Becky Lucas.
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Do you know Becky Lucas?
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Yes, yes.
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I think she's hilarious.
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She's hilarious.
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She's so sassy, she's so blunt.
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She's this little pocket rocket.
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And I think whether she's a trader or a faithful, she would be amazing television.
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That's a great one.
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Tully, thank you so much.
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I really appreciate the time.
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And I appreciate you being so vulnerable as well.
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I think it's been so great to see you on our screens.
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And yeah, congratulations on your little family.
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Thank you so much, Haley.
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It was so nice to chat.
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This is beyond reality.
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This is Beyond Reality.
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Hi, Tully.
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Hello.
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Thank you so much for joining me.
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You look amazing today.
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Oh, what do you mean?
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I just did this quickly this morning while I was breastfeeding.
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How are you feeling after being murdered so close to the end?
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I know it was a hard watch last night.
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I was in tears.
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Shock.
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Shock.
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Being crying.
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Who would have thought?
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No, it was a really hard watch.
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It was a really hard watch.
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It was hard.
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That's the first time we're seeing any of sort of the behind-the-scenes conclave chats.
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So I didn't know how it went down.
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And I have to say, to watch Reese try and keep me in and my bestie Kirby be the one to sort of put her foot down and throw me out.
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That was um, that was tough.
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That was tough.
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But yeah, look, I'm so proud of myself.
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Top six.
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Like, you can't ask for much more than that.
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I mean, you can.
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You can ask to win the whole thing, can't you?
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But I'm I'm really proud of myself.
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Yeah, I was really interested to know about that seeing Kirby be the person that decided to murder you.
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How did that feel?
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Not great.
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Not great.
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Um, you know, we've obviously chatted since filming, and and she's told me all kinds of, you know, I wanted to do this and this was my plan, I was gonna do this.
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But then to see it and how it actually went down, I was like, oh, oh, so it was Riz that wanted to keep me and Kirby wanted me gone.
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I I do understand, you know, she said I was her moroma.
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She didn't want to take me to the end only to stab me in the back um so magnificently and take all my money.
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So I do understand that to a degree.
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And if I'm gonna be honest, my plan was to get her the next day anyway.
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Had I survived the murder, my plan was then to finally let Josh in on the fact that I was pretty sure Kirby was the trader, and then we probably would have banished Kirby, and that would have been, you know, her downfall.
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So I I have to give credit where credit's due.
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She she shot first.
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So that's the game, right?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I guess there's some comfort as well knowing that she didn't want to, I guess, take your money face to face.
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Yeah, comfort, yeah, sure.
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Yeah, I doesn't that's nice and cozy.
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I'm sure.
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Look, let's be real, I don't think I would have lasted as long as I did had she not been protecting me.
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Um, so I do owe it to her and Alex, really, a little bit.
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I can't be too mad with her.
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You seem to have such an interesting relationship with Kirby.
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I guess.
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Can you tell me about that?
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And at what point did you clock that she was a traitor?
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Well, I figured out that Alex was a traitor pretty early on, purely because we're such good friends in the real world.
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And I just noticed a real change in her behavior and the way she interacted with me.
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Um, it was pretty normal and all very chummy chummy, right up until you know, Gretel picked the traitors.
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And then I kind of lost her as a friend.
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She was kind of avoiding me.
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I'd try and talk to her about strategy, or you know, I'd try and catch her before the round table and ask, Who were you going for?
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What are you thinking?
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And she was just very avoidant.
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And I was like, something's amiss here.
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Um, she was just acting very strange.
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And then there were a few instances where, and a few other people also noticed this.
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I did also notice the very dramatic hand in heads when Diko was banished.
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I thought, what the hell are you doing?
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And then said the breakfast with AJ.
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And I just, I was sitting there going, What who is this person?
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What are you doing?
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This is so out of character.
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So I was pretty on to Alex early on, and then I think I just figured out it must have been Kirby.
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Kirby and I, you, I don't know if you noticed, but we were often in the cars together.
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Um, the car trips to the challenges are really vital moments in that game.
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Those small groups, getting to chat in complete privacy with the people that you're driving with, vital, vital for your gameplay.
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And I'm not sure if anyone else noticed, but I was often with Kirby.
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And I think that's because she liked driving with me, because I was never hounding her or asking her about the game.
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I was never asking her who she thought was a trader, what she thought she was going to do that night, because I was pretty sure it was her.
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So I think she enjoyed the break, and I enjoyed, I guess, getting to talk about things other than the game.
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So we kind of stuck together for very different reasons.
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Um, but yeah, I had a feeling I had friends in high places because otherwise, how else did I keep surviving?
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Everybody knew I was a faithful.
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And when everybody knows you're a faithful and there's never any suspicion on you, you are useless to the traitors.
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So the fact that I kept waking up in the morning alive, I was like, nah, something's amiss here.
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Like, I reckon my best dead are the bad guys.
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I love that.
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I mean, you've covered so much ground there, so uh there's a lot to unpack with that.
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Interesting that you knew that Alex was a traitor and you could tell by her behavior given that you were her friend.
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Because we didn't, I guess, see that you were onto her as much in the edit.
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So that's really interesting.
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When it comes to Kirby, what was the tell for you?
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I'd watched her play Survivor both times.
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I was a big fan of Kirby.
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I went in there saying I pretty much knew that no matter who was in the cast, I would have watched them on previous shows.
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I'm a reality TV fan.
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I watch literally everything, including overseas versions of the show, including sometimes shows with subtitles.
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Like I've watched Korean dating shows before with subtitles.
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So I knew that the chances of me knowing everybody was high, right?
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And I'd watch Kirby twice.
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In fact, I was a fan of hers.
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I'd, you know, I was in her DMs, and I told myself, don't let anybody know that you're onto them.
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Because I think it is an advantage knowing how people play their own games and knowing how people work.
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But of course, me being me, the minute I saw Kirby get out of the car, I was like, oh and I like ran over to her and I was like, damn it, Tully, you were supposed to pretend that you hadn't watched anybody.
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But I knew she played, I knew how she played Survivor, and she played Survivor very aggressively.
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And so to watch her kind of sit back and not really, you know, be forward-facing and not really throw a lot of names out and kind of just go with the flow and say things like, Oh, well, you know, I'm with you, so I'll do whatever you do tonight.
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That's not how Kirby plays these games.
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She plays aggressively.
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So I thought the fact that she wasn't playing like she usually plays these games, that was sus.
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Um, she also just she was very much, you know, the fact that we had so much evidence for her, why we all ignored that time and time again.
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I'm not sure.
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I mean, I had my own reasons for ignoring it.
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I was ignoring it on purpose.
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But yeah, watching it back, it's it's actually incredible how she's how she gets through every episode.
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I'm like, wow.
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Like, she she's phenomenal.
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She's so great at playing these games.
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I love how perceptive you are in terms of reading Kirby's game because you're exactly right.
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Like, Kirby does play aggressively.
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You see it in Survivor, it's very much Kirby's way or the highway.
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She gets what she wants.
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You see it in the city.
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You see that in the conclave.
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Yeah, you see that in the conclave.
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You see her playing Survivor in the Conclave.
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She has pretty much made sure that everyone she wanted murdered got murdered.
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And she she played her same social manipulation game in the target with the other traitors.
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She managed to convince them all time and time again to go the way she wanted to go.
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Yeah, so definitely being a fan of reality TV served you well in the game, knowing that I guess you did keep your cards very close to your chest, knowing that Kirby was a traitor.
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Do you wish, in hindsight, that you spoke up a little bit sooner and maybe, you know, compared notes with Josh or tried to push for a Kirby vote?
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Because she did get you first.
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She did, she did.
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But also, I mean, have you seen how the others played?
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Like, I I couldn't, I couldn't trust them to keep their mouth shut.
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I couldn't trust them to keep their cool.
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I really needed for my plan to work, Kirby needed to believe that I believed she was a faithful to the very end, or it wouldn't have worked.
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And the way Josh was playing, the way Kira was playing, and they're the only two that I knew, you know, in my heart of hearts were faithfuls.
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I was still unsure on Reese, I was still unsure on Chrissy, but I knew that at least Kira and Josh were faithful.
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So my plan was to take them to the end.
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But in order for that to work, Kirby needed to believe I was the faithful.
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And the way that Josh and Kira were playing, I didn't trust that if I had let them in on that, that they would have kept their mouth shut or kept their cool.
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I didn't trust them to keep my game.
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And and like that's I think fair enough.
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But it's so frustrating because that last night before I was murdered, that I literally pulled Josh aside and I said, okay, I I figured it was time.
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And my plan was the next morning to fill him in.
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But of course, again, Kirby shot first and um and she got me.
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Yeah, there's so many ways you could look back on it in hindsight.
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I should have could have woodas even last night.
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I was like, oh, if I'd done this and done that a little bit sooner, if I, you know, if I'd even if I had told someone, because I told Kirby I had a shield on purpose.
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Everyone thinks that I'm a dum-dum for doing that.
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But I thought, look, if she's been protecting me this long to know that I'm vulnerable if she's to protect me again tonight in the tyrant, right?
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But had I told someone else that I'd told Kirby that, then maybe they could have pieced it together after I left.
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Because watching Josh last night, bless him, just be so sure that Kirby's a faithful, I'm like, oh.
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Well, he told me that he was playing her in that moment.
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Okay, sure.
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Sure.
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So if you weren't murdered, so the other option was they were looking at Chrissy.
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If Chrissy was murdered in your place, what was your end game plan?
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Okay, Chrissy was murdered, great.
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That's great for me because she had a question mark on her head.
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I wasn't sure.
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I didn't know who the other trader was.
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I'm not going to pretend that I had the whole game figured out.
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I didn't, I knew Kirby, well, I thought Kirby was a trader, and I wasn't sure who the other one was.
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Wasn't sure on Reese, wasn't sure on Chrissy.
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So had Chrissy been murdered, amazing for me.
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I would have told Josh, maybe not Kira yet, I don't know.
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I would have definitely told Josh that I think it's Kirby.
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We would have banished Kirby at the last banishment ceremony, and then we would have gotten rid of Reese and kept going until it was me, Kira, and Josh at the end and split the prize money.
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That was my game plan.
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So you would have been happy to split it three ways.
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I was.
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Josh wanted it to be the two of us, but uh no, I there's I even said to my partner last night, do you think I would have been able to, because I knew that Josh wanted to be just the two of us, but I think there's no way I would have been able to banish Kira.
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I couldn't have even pretended to be suspect on Kira.
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I knew Kira was a faithful, and I would have happily split the money three ways with Josh and Kira.
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So if Josh had thrown in a red, would you have taken out Josh or Kira?
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Kira.
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But I wouldn't have been happy about it.
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I would have tried to maybe at the end, I don't know, transferred her a little bit of money.
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I don't know.
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But um Josh and I, and again, you didn't get to see it sadly, because obviously there's only so many, you know, hours in an episode, but um minutes in an episode, I should say.
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But Josh and I were really close.
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Josh and I were close from day one.
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We were in the car together on the way to the manor, and we were really, really close the whole game.
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And I definitely, if I had to, if it came down to it, I would have had to have picked Josh over Kira.
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You have obviously been journaling and sort of talking on social media about what you were writing each day.
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I have to do it.
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In terms of your suspicions.
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I want to know what was the funniest theory you had that was completely wrong.
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Oh God, there were so many funny theories that were completely wrong.
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Um see, I like again, yes, maybe I figured out that Alex was a traitor and Kevin was a traitor, but I also was like, every person, everyone's name I wrote down, Bar Lawson.
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So when I wrote down Rachel's, I was sus on Rachel.
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I thought Rachel could be a traitor.
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When I wrote down Claudia's, despite not wanting to believe it because I love Claude's, I did think that she could possibly be a traitor.
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Lawson was a hard one for me because I knew he wasn't.
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But again, in order to get to my final three, he was kind of collateral damage.
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But I think writing down, you know, every day, I'm like, you know, I'm really sus on Claudia or I'm really sus on Rachel.
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And then you watch it back and you're like, why?
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Why were you sus?
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Like, what did they do?
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The paranoia is so real.
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And because we haven't got phones and we haven't got friends and family to debrief with, you get back.
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Like, I literally cut myself.
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I got a paper cut because I was scribbling furiously every night, trying to get all my thoughts out of my head.
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I cut myself, but I didn't have time to stop.
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So this blood ripped through my journal.
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Um, but you've really only got yourself to bounce these ideas off.
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So you kind of gaslight yourself and you jump around.
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You put your body on the line for this game.
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I did.
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I quite literally did.
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I mean, we were we were trying for a baby before I agreed to do the show.
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And then I thought, hang on a minute, let's stop trying because if I have to do physical challenges, I can't be pregnant.
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So I really did put my body on the line.
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It was, it was physical.
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There were physical challenges.
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I should have gone to the gym before I filmed for sure.
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I have one last question.
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Obviously, you were introduced to Australia in 2013 on Big Brother.
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It's 13 years later.
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How different is the Tully today compared to the person that stepped into the Big Brother house?
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Oh my God, worlds apart.
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And I think it's been really nice to see Australia realize that too.
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I've received so many beautiful messages and comments and DMs from people that have been here since day one who have grown up with me and they're they're proud of me.
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They're proud, proud of how I held myself, how I played my game.
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I think it's been really humbling for me to watch the show back because I don't get a lot of screen time, especially in those early days.
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And it's because, for once, I'm not in the middle of the drama.
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I'm not the one creating the drama, I'm not the one involved in the arguments, in the bickering.
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I've grown up, I've evolved and I've matured.
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And I think someone said last night, you know, how does it feel to suddenly be, you know, the most grounded, stable one in there?
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And I just, I never thought that would be me, to be honest.
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But that was one of my goals.
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I'd be lying if I if it wasn't.
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It was one of my goals to show the country, you know, who I really am, um, and not, you know, those heads from 13 years ago.
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So I may not have won the money, but I am really proud of how I played.
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And I'm proud that I played a game where I didn't lie to anyone's face and I played with integrity and I and I kept my word and I protected my friends, you know, even to my detriment.
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You know, I I knew Alex was a trade-arch.
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I knew she was gonna go home that night, but I still couldn't be the one to put that final nail in her coffin.
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I couldn't write her name down.
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Because that's because I I always say that at the end of the day, you have to go to sleep with yourself at night, right?
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And yes, I get it.
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It's a game.
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I understand that.
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I understand it's a game, but you still have to go to bed with yourself at night and with your decisions.
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And I I can say that I slept pretty well, as well as could be if you're waiting for it, you know, to be murdered in your sleep with my decisions.
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So I'm I'm really proud of myself and I hope that Australia is is proud of me too.
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It's been so nice to see you have that experience.
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It feels like it's been a little bit healing for you.
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I can see that you're emotional about it.
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Absolutely, yeah, yeah.
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Don't say that, because then I will start crying.
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Yeah, no, I'm I think that um, you know, when you go through something like I went through all those years ago at 25, it stays with you.
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It's a scar.
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Even to this day, every article that's written about me, the last paragraph will be like, you might remember Tully from blah blah blah, and it just every single, you know, I I'm never gonna get away from it.
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And it's just not who I am.
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And so I think it's it is healing.
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It's it's really healing to be able to show the country a different side of me and that uh, you know, I've I'm all grown up.
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I'm I have a baby now, a trader's baby.
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Congratulations.
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Thank you so much.
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I'm so glad that she's not screaming right now.
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Um, but no, it's it's honestly, I had the best time.
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The fact that I almost didn't do it, it's wild because it honestly was the best experience.
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I'm so happy for you.
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We've run out of time for quick fire questions, but I want to sneak two in.
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You can text them to me if you want, and I'll I'll uh reply them back.
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I'd love to know if you could be on any other reality show.
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What would you be on?
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Or are you retiring?
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No, absolutely not.
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My dream has always been to do I'm a celebrity.
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That has been my dream for like seven years now.
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I want to raise money for Dementia Australia.
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I want to show, again, the country that, you know, I'm not afraid to eat a pig's asshole or whatever it is.
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Um, I think it's like the closest show to Big Brother in that you really get to see different sides of people and you get to hear people's stories.
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And so I'm a celebrity would be the dream for sure.
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I mean, that's a headline.
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I want to show Australia I'm not afraid to eat a pig's asshole.
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Babe, it's yours, Haley.
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That's my gift to you.
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You're welcome.
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My final question is which Australian celebrity would you like to see play on the next traitors?
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Oh, that's so tricky.
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That's so tricky.
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I think you definitely need a comedian in there.
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I think we really needed Reese to lighten the mood.
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It is tense in there.
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Those round tables are so much more intense than they seem on TV.
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So I definitely think we need a comedian.
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I definitely think we need a female comedian.
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Um, someone like Becky Lucas.
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Do you know Becky Lucas?
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Yes, yes.
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I think she's hilarious.
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She's hilarious.
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She's so sassy, she's so blunt.
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She's this little pocket rocket.
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And I think whether she's a trader or a faithful, she would be amazing television.
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That's a great one.
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Tully, thank you so much.
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I really appreciate the time.
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And I appreciate you being so vulnerable as well.
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I think it's been so great to see you on our screens.
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And yeah, congratulations on your little family.
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Thank you so much, Haley.
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It was so nice to chat.
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This is beyond reality.
