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This is Beyond Reality.
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Hi, Chrissy.
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Hi, Haley.
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How are you?
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I'm so good, thank you.
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Thank you so much for joining me.
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You have been so iconic this season.
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How did it feel watching it all back last night?
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Oh, very emotional.
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I cried again.
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Um, I watched it with my sister on the couch.
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And um, yeah, no, I I found that whole scene where I was cutting my hair, um, you know, feeling dumb again by not being able to remember the names.
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And and then the whole Kira thing, I think that was even harder for me to watch last night because obviously when it happened, I just thought that, you know, it might have been a whim.
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She decided the 11th hour or got something wrong.
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And then, but then to know that she'd been plotting it a couple of days beforehand, that really hurt.
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So I do have to debrief with her at some stage today on that.
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Yeah, it's such a brutal game.
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And I guess being a faithful is a really difficult role because you don't get to see everything that's happening and you don't know who to trust.
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Yes.
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But I think look, in saying it's difficult, I think being a trader is even more difficult.
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I think, you know, having to look people in the eye and really just be on constant um sort of sell.
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And when you look at what Kirby did, she was on the constant sell to people, constant, or you know, constant confusion.
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She was, you know, very, very clever woman, that's for sure.
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Yeah, and I mean you made it to the fire pit.
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So congratulations on that.
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Why hadn't I watched more end games?
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I think the whole confusing thing, I think, you know, Kira and I had discussed it.
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If we wanted anyone to win, it would have been Kirby.
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You know, we're getting to the last minute.
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I just don't think I quite got how that endgame worked.
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And then I always knew that Kira would vote with me, and then we always knew that Kirby was a traitor, so we're going to vote off Kirby.
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But I don't know, uh the wires got crossed, but clearly they didn't get crossed.
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Clearly, she'd been planning this um for a couple of days.
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So I'm I'm looking forward to chatting to Kira about that.
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That's really interesting because when you threw green, you essentially said you were happy for Kirby to win or happy to share, because obviously she takes it all.
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But are you saying there was some confusion from your end?
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Well, look, I think if anyone was gonna win other than myself, I probably would have wanted Kirby to win.
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Um, but I think um, you know, there was, I had never watched an endgame, I had never watched it to the end.
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So I think that for me was really, really a bit confusing.
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And I never thought for a second that like Kira was my rival die.
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Like I just knew that Kira and I would never go against each other.
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And then to see her do that, and then that for me was just like, oh my god.
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And then I walked away, and then I was like, well, what just happened then?
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What did I do wrong?
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I think if I'd watched more of them, I don't know, I don't know, coulda, shoulda, would've.
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Um, I was absolutely ecstatic to get to the end.
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I loved the way that I played.
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I thought that, you know, the strategy of knowing from the beginning Kirby was a traitor, but because she was so strong, I never wanted to have her in my sights.
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I always knew that I could fight my way out of something in a boardroom, but you can't fight your way out of murder.
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So that's that's the biggest thing that you had to fear.
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And that was my whole strategy.
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You know, I think giving up the shield the first day was that, you know what, guys, I'm not a selfish person.
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I'm giving up the money to the greater good.
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And I think the traders would have seen that and gone, yes, you know, she's not that sort of person.
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So I it was all about sort of, you know, it just made sense to me to do that.
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And then the second day when I actually saw the the shield in the in the beautiful field of um canola flowers, I thought, well, you know what, I really deserve that.
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But I still checked with the group, but that's what I'd do in normal life.
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I don't think I got enough kudos though, because I got the puzzle challenge.
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I was the one running the bodies up the hill.
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I needed to get more, you know, kudos for all my challenges.
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Obviously, it was quite emotional watching last night for you.
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How does the emotion of that moment compare to the emotion of watching it back and the feelings that now you've had time to process it?
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Oh, look, it was still so raw and it was still so hard because you realize the exhaustion by the time you've gotten there.
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You've been in that manner for 13 days, you've had no contact with your family, no one speaking to you from the outside world, not even a work colleague, a producer, anyone is allowed to talk to you.
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They want you in the game 24-7.
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So, you know, like there's no niceties.
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It's not like you've, you know, not like on Housewives when they're micing you up and you have a bit of banter with the guy micing you, and it's not.
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This is just like you are there.
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So by the time we got to that place, it was like we arrived and it was just a stinking old abattoir.
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And then we had to pick those rooms, and then we're allowed to come out and say, Do you want to change with someone?
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But then I thought no one else can really cut their hair.
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I'm the one with the longest hair, I'm not gonna put that on someone else.
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And then I just the emotion got to me because I just felt dumb.
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And I thought, you know what?
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I'm a very smart person.
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I played this game so well, and I really have, you know, fought my way in the boardroom.
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I've fought my way around the round table every single night, and it's gonna come down to this dumb challenge of my memory that's gonna, you know, and that I mean, I cried again last night, but not just a little bit, like really cried because it was so emotional for me.
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It's actually quite incredible that a game like this has the power to make someone like you who's so accomplished and so confident in who they are, to feel dumb.
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Yeah, well, I think because it came down to that memory um, you know, aspect, and also, you know, you you're in this room and the henchman.
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I mean, you know, you think, oh yeah, it's not real, but everything is real.
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This is what you've lived for the last 13 days, and the only person you can talk to it with was, you know, a piece of paper.
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And I used to journal.
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I haven't journaled since I was 19.
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Um, you know, but it was my only way of communicating and and trying to make sense of what, you know, what was going on.
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And I and I write actually, I should actually, I should have brought my journal here because I write in my journal that I know Kirby on day one is is the trader.
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Actually, I'm gonna put that out on my social media today.
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Someone might think I just rewrote it.
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But but I did say that on camera as well.
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Coming in from a show like Real House Lives, you're obviously no stranger to confrontation.
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How did coming in from Real House Lives equip you to play this game?
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Look, I think uh any reality TV show helped you play the game because it is a reality TV show.
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Um, I think the boardroom for me all came down to you know 15 years of running my own business, being in a boardroom with some of the you know heavy hitters, you know, in Australia.
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Um, no one I no one intimidated me, no one made me feel scared.
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But I think the housewives prepared me to fight back.
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And like I would never act in a boardroom like that, ripping off Rachel's head, chewing it up, eating it, and spitting it out, you know, like but that was like you go for me, I'll go back.
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And you know, when I think they said the most revered in the boardroom was me, I was kind of like, Yeah, well, yeah, so you should.
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Don't mess with me because I'm a faithful, this is who I am.
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And if you want to start calling me out otherwise, I will go for you.
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And I think I really laid that down very early on.
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Um, and you know, Josh said, Look, I'm not as scared, you know, I'm not scared to go for you.
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And I didn't want to have an intimidation, but I also wanted to show people that I am so faithful, I will fight you on this.
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Yeah, you were brilliant in the round table.
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And you had this a bit of a reputation, really, for revenge votes, where if someone would come for you, you would switch your vote and turn it straight back on them.
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Was that strategy or was that purely emotional?
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That was a hundred percent emotional, but it was strategic also.
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So if Kirby had done that to me, I wouldn't have fired up against her like that.
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If Dico had done that to me, I wouldn't have fired up against him like that.
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I would have been strong, but maybe not as strong.
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For me, um, for me, it was almost a message to everyone else.
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So that was strategic to me, saying, okay, guys, around this room, have a look now.
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You want to go for me, I will go back at you harder.
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So it was a um, you know, my son was like, Mom, it was just throwing away votes.
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And look, when I did that the night with Henry, um, that was stupid because I could have changed that voting that night.
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And um, I think that that's, you know, was it a good gameplay?
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Wasn't it it was still strategic because I still had that um, you know, picture of the trader in the back of my head, which was Kirby, and I wasn't going to still mess with her.
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And I was trying to give everyone very much a don't mess with me sort of attitude.
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And I was, I was, it was final flight.
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I wanted to stay there.
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Yeah, I mean, I think it it's a great strategy in terms of you know, people did fear you, I think, in the round table.
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So it worked you obviously, you made it all the way to the end.
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Can you describe the feeling of being called a traitor when you're not?
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Because it obviously did have that emotional impact on you.
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Just like, how can you be that stupid?
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How can you be that and you can't pull out receipts?
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It's not like in a reunion with housewives and you go, Well, you did do this or you did say that, but you can't pull out receipts because how can I prove it other than your own word?
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So you've got to think of things to say and you know, uh understand your alliances.
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And and I hated that word alliance, because for me, everyone in the house, unless I knew like um Kirby was a trader, everyone for me was on a same sort of playing field.
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I treated everyone very much the same and with respect.
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It wasn't until you got a sense that you thought someone was a trader that you would really sort of stick by that, and yeah, I think that that strategy worked for me in the long run.
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Yeah, it's very hard, very difficult because you've got nothing to prove it otherwise.
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Yeah, well, it made for great television, other than ripping someone's head off.
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I'll prove it to you by being a bitch.
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What was the biggest shock now that you've been able to see it all?
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Oh gosh, I love the fact that Reese just manned up on Kirby and went, you double-cross me, you did this, you threw me on the bus, my head's on the chopping block.
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That for me was like, wow, Reese, you've got balls.
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You know, I think if Kirby had even done that to me, I don't think I could have confronted her like he did.
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I'm not allowed to say he did.
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Reese is teaching me all these things like that, like they did.
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Um, but yeah, I think that that was brilliant of Reese.
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That for me was one of the oh wow, that's a great television moment for me.
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Um, another big wow moment for me was Kira and Kirby a couple of days before.
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That for me was just gobsmacking last night, and I need to unpack that with her today.
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What's your biggest question for Kira?
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Like, when did where did it go wrong?
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At what point when we were so tight and so close, at what point or what made you think otherwise?
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Like, I still don't get it.
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I don't get at what point she changed.
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Because for me, I just was so solid.
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It was like with Tully, I was so solid, with Lawson, I was so solid, with Luke, I was so solid.
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You know, there were certain people that you just know in the house are your, you know, ride and dies, they're not gonna change.
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But Kira, out of anyone, I never questioned for a second.
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And I thought she felt the same with me.
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Yeah, and I mean you did have quite a bit of suspicion on you throughout the game from other people.
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Where do you think that comes from?
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Oh, look, that comes from um, you know, people thinking, oh, well, she's strong, she could handle being a traitor.
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So it's more as you're going through the game and as you're learning people's personalities within the house, you think, oh yeah, they would make a great traitor.
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It's like Claudia.
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Claudia is this little pocket rocket, she's smart, you know, she's a little bit devious.
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You think she could handle it, she could do it.
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Like Alex, on the other hand, I never looked at her once.
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Couldn't couldn't imagine that she could have done that.
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And then seeing, I think, you know, Alex has got to be really proud of her, you know, her gameplay as well, because I think she was incredible.
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I think eventually it got to her.
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Once people started to see the cracks, she knew that she was coming undone.
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But you know, you're away from your family, your friends.
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There's no one you can debrief with, you know.
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So and that was a lot of my strategy, wasn't debriefing with people, wasn't hashing things out, wasn't, you know, presenting my evidence.
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I mean, it really pissed me off with Rob that Rob didn't have the balls to say, present the information, but guess what?
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I didn't either.
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I knew that same information that Rob knew, but I wasn't gonna go up against Kirby, I wasn't gonna be murdered at night.
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Yeah, I loved seeing you sort of push everyone to bring forward the evidence.
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You really wanted to take Kirby down.
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You do it, yeah.
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You do it.
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That was brilliant.
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I want to talk about your Tuesday night dinners.
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Everyone knows about Chrissy Marsh's famous Tuesday night dinners.
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You've had some traitors cast members over.
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Who's the best dinner guest?
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Oh my gosh.
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Um, wow.
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Uh look, I love I've loved having them all.
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They've all like Kirby's been, Gamble's been, Lawson's been.
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Um, the twins are always fun.
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I mean, the twins left the other night doing shots of vodka walking out.
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Like they're always a blast to have around.
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Lawson is just Lawson, Lawson.
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I mean, I'm just Lawson's cheer squad.
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Like I am for my own boys, you know.
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I I adore them like, and he just feels like one of my sons.
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Luke and Josh were the same.
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Um, you know, I felt very motherly in there for a lot of a lot of the um, you know, fellow house uh housemates, you know, traitors, faithfuls.
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It just seemed like you built really genuine connections with everyone.
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And also my kids.
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So Tuesday night dinners started because my kids, when they left school, I thought it's really nice to stay connected with your friends.
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And they'd always say, Oh mum, who's your sprinkling of friends?
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So every week I have a sprinkle of my friends because you know, I'm not going to do all that effort just for them.
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I like to have a couple of my friends over.
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So they've gotten to know the traders, um, you know, the traders' castmates really, really well.
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And, you know, I remember the first time Lawson was coming over, Milana's like, oh mum, the things he puts on his Instagram are disgusting.
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Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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You know, and then they meet him and they just adore him.
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You know, he's one of those people that you just cannot help but like.
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And, you know, I think what's amazing about this group of people is we're all so different and we're all so different backgrounds.
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You know, I look at someone like me walking into that boardroom every night.
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Everyone was like into the round table, they were like, oh my God, a fit.
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That for me was when I gathered everything and I just walked in like this is great.
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I'm gonna tear anyone apart or anyone that crosses me.
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But also when I did business and when I was like that, I never feared.
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And everyone goes, Oh, you know, you worked in a male-dominated industry.
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I'm like, a male what?
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Like, no male dominates an industry, you know, you've got to think of your person.
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You know, I'm one of four girls.
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My father always was like, you know, you've got to be respect that you're a woman, but you know, you're you're always equal.
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And I think that's what's great about the game.
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You know, whether you were male or female or whatever you were in the manner, wherever you came from, everyone is equal.
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But you're gaining all those little bits of your your life that has helped you.
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And I think coming from that business-minded and business background really helped me.
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I think it really helped Kirby.
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Um, you know, Dico came from that entertainment world.
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I think that was probably a disadvantage for him because it was that old school, um, and you know, the way that he, I think Dicko probably could have played a lot longer game if he didn't grab all the votes because he's a very strong character.
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Um, he's very intelligent, he's been around a boardroom a lot.
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I think by by doing that group voting didn't help Dicko.
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Um, certainly rubbed me up the wrong way.
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Chrissy, I know we've got to wrap up.
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I have one final question and then a couple of quick fire questions.
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I would love to know.
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You've come from Real Housewives.
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This is a competitive reality show, a competition reality show.
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How did they compare?
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And what did you feel like you got to show Australia that they haven't seen in Housewives?
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I think I got to show the real me.
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I got to show the business side of me.
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I think what was hard in Housewives is it is far more competitive than traitors, but there is no prize, which for me, as a person and as a group of women, I've never been competitive with anyone in my life.
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My mum will always say there's someone richer, poorer, skinnier, fatter, you know, never taught me in life ever to compete with anyone.
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You know, only look at what you're doing because you never know what is actually going on in someone's life.
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And, you know, I think that, you know, traders as a competition and as, you know, there's this carrot at the end of$250,000, a huge amount of money, life-changing money.
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And people were still respectful of each other, people were still kind to each other, people were still nice to each other.
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Um, and that just shows the caliber of people that are in the traders.
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And that's what shows the caliber of people that we had on Housewives, was very different.
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You know, the bitchiness, the nastiness, the narcissistic behaviors, the, you know, like I've seen nothing in my real life as I've seen on Housewives.
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And people go, is it made up?
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Is it scripted?
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I'm like, the shit that ends up on the cutting room floor is so toxic and so bad they can't show it.
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And you know, it's sad because that's the group of women that they chose for Sydney.
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I sat down at my Tuesday night dinner with Cynthia from Atlanta.
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16 seasons.
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They still get along, they still like each other, they're still because they're not competing for a prize that's not there.
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We're not playing Survivor.
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I would, I would during filming, I'd look at these girls and go, guys, there's no prize money, we're not playing Survivor, there's no winners.
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Like, why is everyone like this?
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Like, just tell me.
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So it's, you know, for me, that was like an exceptionally toxic work environment.
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Wow.
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That I'm glad I'm out of.
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Well, I'm sad.
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It's coming back.
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I want to see you.
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Some, as I said, like, look at Atlanta, 16 seasons.
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It depends on the women that you choose.
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And it should be an aspirational lifestyle.
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It should be, you know, I mean, season one, we had, I mean, it was batshit crazy.
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It was nasty for nasty sake, but we had a hell of a time.
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We had so much fun, and that's what work should be.
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And if you're not enjoying your job now, get out, resign, move on to something else because life's too short not to enjoy your job.
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And people don't understand, but housewives was a job.
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So you got to enjoy it.
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You've got to enjoy what you do in life.
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That's my little bit of inspiration.
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Chrissy, it's been so great chatting to you.
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I have one quick question.
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If you could do any other reality show, what would you be on?
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Probably do the Traders US.
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Um, oh gosh, what else would I be on?
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Oh, I'd love, love, love to do The Apprentice.
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I'd love to do The Apprentice.
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Um, yeah.
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You would kill that.
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Yeah.
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But I think probably as the host, not as the uh not as the contestant.
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You know, I'd like to do um I'm a Celebrity, get me out of here, because I'd actually like to watch everyone else eat the eyeballs, but maybe the host.
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Um Survivor, definitely again.
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I'd like to camp out and be in those exotic Fiji locations, but for me, food is life, and that's the whole Tuesday night dinner thing.
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Like I plan my food on a Sunday night.
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So for me to do any show that I'm deprived of food, like that's just gonna bring me out to be psychotic, and I just couldn't do it.
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Yeah, well, I'm a survivor producer, I've done many seasons of survivor, so um, the food situation, it is brutal.
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Oh my gosh, I just could not do it.
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I really couldn't.
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Like, if if if it's 12 o'clock and I haven't eaten, I want to kill someone.
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They would be the survivors because I'd be eating them.
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Cannibalism.
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Chrissy, it's been so great chatting.
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Thank you so much for joining me.
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You have made this season incredible.
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You've been such a great faithful.
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So thank you so much for what you brought to the game.
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Thank you so much.
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And I hope you have that chat with Kira and sort things out.
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I will.
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When I get a hold of that bitch, this is beyond reality.