Full Transcript for Episode #263: Pennsylvania's Measles Fight, Amish Freedom, and the Questions Behind the Headlines

was um this can this conservative member of parliament is hosting this what's called the Allison inquiry. 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:12.560 Oh, okay. 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:18.560 So it's a kind of um, it's a kind of uh uh it's called a senatorial side hustle. 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:20.400 Yes, yes, yes. 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:25.840 And so if he's invited other people and they're streaming it, you know, you could actually live stream it. 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:28.960 And uh one of the main guests is Senator Johnson. 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:41.360 So we have, you know, this is now it's it's like a globe, it's become a global issue, and there's people working together in these different countries um to actually kind of to help bring truth about. 00:03:41.599 --> 00:03:56.719 Um, I saw the opening of it, and he talks about how uh and and so this is the Canadian lawmaker, and off the bat, he rambled off things like the government hid myocarditis reports. 00:03:56.879 --> 00:04:06.080 Um, there's the ejections may cause cancer, there's flawed science, there's corruption um in industry, government, and academia, like on and on. 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:09.199 And and so here's one example. 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:30.399 Then you go over to Australia, and there's actually this Australian event that is calling for a Royal Commission into COVID, and they're having uh doctors, um, academics, lawyers, politicians, one politician who was censored on YouTube is attending this event. 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:32.720 Um, Barry Young is gonna be there. 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:35.680 Have you heard his story, this New Zealand whistleblower? 00:04:36.000 --> 00:05:01.519 No, I haven't heard his, but but just before we but just to make sure we're bringing all of our listeners along with us, everybody needs to realize is as bad as as bad as COVID was in the U.S., I mean, as far as public policy, Canada and Australia, I can tell you, were two or three time magnitudes worse than the U.S. 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:03.839 in COVID policy. 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:09.759 Cena, we had a we had a lady in the farm store, uh, her brother is it lives in Australia. 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:17.279 She was in the farm store uh buying something, and she told me she'd that morning she'd gotten a call from her brother in Australia. 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:21.519 He'd gone out to the curb to pick up the newspaper. 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:35.360 And when he got about 20 feet from his front door, a drone came, hovered over him with a loudspeaker saying, Get back in your house because he had ventured too far from his house. 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:55.360 You cannot leave your house unless you gave a 15-minute pre-warning registry to the a government, a government database, who you were, where you were going, and then when you got to wherever you were going, you had to check in within 15 minutes that you got there to the government database. 00:05:55.519 --> 00:06:01.519 I mean, it was wow, it it it made us

look like like we were a free country. 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:21.439 Uh so I think I think the fact that Canada and Australia are the first two countries you're talking about in having this discussion is significant because they they were they were so um draconian in their in their covet responses compared to the US. 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:29.600 Yes, and we have uh one of our listeners, Barry Green, uh is the one who tipped me off to that event. 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:36.480 He he lives there in um Australia, and he's on Taurus Radio, you know, great guy. 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:43.839 And he was telling me that so this is a global event now because you have somebody from New Zealand, you have somebody from America. 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:46.639 Again, it's Senator Johnson's gonna be there again. 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:52.879 And this Royal Commission into COVID, it's the most powerful inquiry he said that they could get. 00:06:53.199 --> 00:07:01.519 He also said that the mood, he thinks the mood of the people there in Australia is turning against the major parties. 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:04.000 Like they've had enough, right? 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:11.600 They they want um transparency, accountability, you know, just some honesty. 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:12.319 Right. 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:15.120 Um, and so I I think it's a big deal. 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:34.800 Um, the New Zealand whistleblower, in short, um, he was a database administrator and um he built the uh New Zealand um COVID vax database and he he said that he had found um disease clusters uh linked to the vaccine and he released the data. 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:41.839 So it's my understanding that he released it to the public and then he faced legal repercussions. 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:44.720 So he was arrested in December of 2023. 00:07:44.879 --> 00:07:50.560 He was charged with accessing a computer system for dishonest purposes. 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:52.639 Wow. 00:07:58.319 --> 00:07:58.959 That's right. 00:07:59.199 --> 00:07:59.680 That's right. 00:07:59.839 --> 00:08:01.680 And he felt that people had a right to know. 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:04.079 Like people were dying, children were dying. 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:07.279 He pleaded not guilty, it's in court now. 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:12.639 Um, the court apparently is reviewing if he qualifies for whistleblower status. 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:27.279 Uh the latest I heard, uh, Barry sent this was that this the information, you know, this data that that is in this system is being withheld from the judge. 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:31.439 So the other lawyer is saying that we're not gonna let you see it. 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:35.759 And the judge has said, No, you need to let me see it. 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:38.080 Like this is this is absurd. 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:41.519 It it's it's it's really crazy. 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:54.639 Um there's even there was even a paper, I found this, a paper published um out of the University

Um of Auckland, if I'm saying that right, business school. 00:08:55.200 --> 00:09:02.000 This is in June of 2025, defending Barry, saying that the government is not transparent and accountable. 00:09:02.159 --> 00:09:09.279 So, quote, whistleblowers have become the last line of defense for safeguarding the public interest. 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:20.080 It's the the article goes on to say that protecting public sector whistleblowers is not only a moral duty, but also a practical necessity. 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:26.639 But whistleblowers can still face criminal charges when they disclose government information to the public. 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:30.080 Um, and so they're saying they don't deserve to go to jail, right? 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:35.679 I mean, what else are you gonna do in a system where the government is not being transparent and not accountable? 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:38.320 Like that's why we have whistleblower protection laws. 00:09:38.480 --> 00:09:38.639 Right. 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:40.720 Like, so I'm following this one. 00:09:40.799 --> 00:09:41.840 We'll see what happens. 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:47.360 But the point is he is now he came to this Australian event as well. 00:09:47.519 --> 00:09:50.799 So again, people from other countries are coming together. 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:55.440 Um and then in the UK, you know, the government has just changed hand hands. 00:09:55.519 --> 00:09:56.879 They have a new prime minister. 00:09:57.919 --> 00:10:11.519 And there is a letter that was sent by over 160 medical doctors, scientists, other health professionals, and some public figures like Woody Harrelson and Rob Schneider. 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:24.320 Um, and they they've signed this open letter that is demanding rigorous, independent inquiry into the potential harms of the vaccine. 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:37.279 And they're saying that the boosters should be stopped until the data has been independently examined um and there's like a review panel on it. 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:50.960 So that's Canada, Australia, the UK, I mean, they're they're all right now holding these events and submitting, you know, uh asking for accountability. 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:56.720 Yeah, these these are these these are all primarily British uh British cultures. 00:10:57.120 --> 00:10:59.759 They're all they're all pretty British cultures. 00:10:59.840 --> 00:11:15.440 And and and and um if I could just add a a little um oh a little personal uh note here, you know, I've I've I've been to Australia 16 times, uh been to Canada way more than that, and the UK uh a bunch of times as well. 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:37.440 And um, you know, speaking, and and you know, it's amazing those those those British kind of leftover British um uh cultures, they're they're way uh they're way more conformant con conforming than Americans. 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:40.720 Americans, I mean, we were rebels, you know. 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:43.679 We threw off the British, we got rid of the king. 00:11:43.840 --> 00:12:11.679 Um I mean rebellion and and distrust of authority is kind of in our DNA, in American DNA, but Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, they didn't throw off the throw off the king, and they're much more willing to just bow and take it, if you will. 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:13.840 Just just you know, go on. 00:12:14.080 --> 00:12:22.639 And and be because they didn't um they didn't throw off anything in their um in their respective histories. 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:29.840 And and and you I really see it in they're just not as um as free loving as Americans. 00:12:29.919 --> 00:12:39.840 I mean, I tell a joke, and here in America, you know, you tell a joke and people just you know, they fall out of their chairs and laugh, and they're perfect completely, you know, um spontaneous and free. 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:54.720 In those cultures, it's a very controlled, you know, um, you know, a very um we're we're royalty, you know, and we have to put on uh a certain decorum. 00:12:54.879 --> 00:13:01.919 Um we can't be just uh free-spirited like you, uh you uh rambunctious Americans. 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:08.720 We have a certain uh you know modicum of civility we have to you know put forth. 00:13:08.960 --> 00:13:18.879 So so for those kind for those countries to be coming to this point is way more profound than if America were coming to this point. 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:20.639 Yeah. 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:28.399 We're kind of wild, free, rebellious spirits that rambunctious, yeah, yeah. 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:30.320 Yes. 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:32.080 No, so that's fantastic. 00:13:32.240 --> 00:13:38.879 That yeah, and and again, you know, your it's your choice, whatever you're choosing to do. 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:44.159 I I'm just saying I think it's great that we're having conversations about it. 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:45.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:47.440 Um because that's the whole point. 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:48.320 Let's discuss it. 00:13:49.120 --> 00:13:53.200 It's it's the secrecy, it's it's the secrecy that's so culturally destructive. 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:53.919 That's right. 00:13:54.320 --> 00:14:15.039 And of course, that's what's going on right now with the with the pushback on data centers, um because of the secrecy and these these uh non-disclosure agreements and all these local local elect local elected uh um uh politicians that that that can't discuss what's coming to town and what the plan is and what the tax concession is. 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:24.080 And they got all these NDAs, and and so it's just they're all I'm not here to take a big position pro or negative on data centers. 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:31.519 All I know is that the that you don't help yourself by trying to cloud the controversy in secrecy. 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:42.399 Yeah, the only the only way you can move beyond mistrust and uh and and all of that is um is transparency, get it out in the

open. 00:14:42.559 --> 00:14:44.320 So yeah, I I I agree with you. 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:47.360 I I think it's I think it's wonderful uh that this is happening. 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:49.519 It's it's too bad it's so late, you know. 00:14:49.679 --> 00:14:53.759 Kind of, well, glad you finally showed up to the game, you know. 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:56.399 But um, but we'll take it. 00:14:56.720 --> 00:14:57.519 Yes, yeah. 00:14:57.679 --> 00:15:07.279 So speaking of mistrust, uh, I don't know if you've been following what's happening in Pennsylvania, but it's a hotbed right now. 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:08.879 This this is crazy. 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:20.639 And there's a lot of people posting that they no longer trust the governor, Shapiro, um, and they're saying they're calling him a liar. 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:27.840 And again, this is the thing because they're not being transp, he was not being transparent um with information. 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:32.240 So let's let's jump into that story next. 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:43.759 Um and then I want to tell you though, I'm excited to share what I have found today because that story sparked like a maternal instinct in me, and I went down the rabbit hole. 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:50.399 So uh I have some great things to share about how to protect your children uh from measles. 00:15:50.720 --> 00:16:13.519 Okay, so first, so the um the if you haven't been following, the governor of Pennsylvania came out, had this like press conference, uh, I believe it was August 25th, and saying that two people in Pennsylvania had died that were from uh measles associated deaths. 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:22.159 So they had died from some kind of a you know illness that was associated with measles, and that they were unvaccinated. 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:48.080 Kennedy posted on X that the governor uh may have fabricated the cases because the governor would not disclose information about the two deaths, and they were trying to get information, so people were talking to the coroner, for example, and the coroner was not corroborating the story that the governor was saying. 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:53.919 Um, so Shapiro fought back and accused Kennedy of playing games. 00:16:54.320 --> 00:16:58.720 Uh I mean it was it was pay pretty much like mudslinging, you know. 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:02.000 And it became a a national news story. 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:11.839 New York Times, you know, legacy media outlets ran headlines saying things like six-week-old infant died from measles, the Lancaster coroner said. 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:16.240 But there wasn't any explanation, any follow-ups. 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:25.759 So what we know now at this point of us recording this is that there were two deaths in Pennsylvania. 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:29.440 The they were both in infants. 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:33.759 Okay, infants are too young to get the MMR vaccine. 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:36.640 That's the measles, mumps, rubella vaccine. 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:40.160 So they could not have been vaccinated, right, right? 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:47.279 So they are it is true that the two deaths were unvaccinated individuals, but they did not qualify to get the vaccine. 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:53.759 They were in Lancaster County, right, home of the largest Amish pop Amish population. 00:17:54.640 --> 00:18:07.039 One of the infants has the last I read, the coroner confirmed that the infant tested positive for measles, but did not die of measles. 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:09.839 That infant died of a lacerated spleen. 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:14.480 The second infant had a fatal genetic. 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:16.799 Was it an injury? 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:26.559 Um, so the last report I read, this was not from the coroner, this was from somebody else, said that it may have been during labor that the spleen was lacerated. 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:27.680 Oh wow. 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:28.079 Yeah. 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:30.240 A birthing, a birthing injury. 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:30.720 Yeah. 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:31.839 Wow. 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:38.880 Um, again, you know, unconfirmed at the time of us recording this, but that is the leading theory that I read. 00:18:39.279 --> 00:18:47.200 The second infant had a fatal um genetic defect, is what they how they've described it. 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:56.079 And that specific defect leads to a very small brain, which impairs the immune system. 00:18:56.400 --> 00:19:05.920 And typically babies born with that genetic defect don't live past six months, and they are typically killed by some sort of respiratory virus. 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:09.279 So even a common cold can can kill them. 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:27.440 That baby was tested positive for measles, and the last I read that one was declared as um caused by measles, and that's based on the CDC's definition of how to classify a death. 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:53.359 So it's kind of reminiscent of COVID caused by or you know, died with this one, I believe, based on the CDC's definition, you have to list it as the cause of death because it was the measles, you know, that that triggered this demise based on this underlying genetic condition. 00:19:53.839 --> 00:20:01.279 For that second baby, the second infant who died, um, this is the one that had the genetic defect. 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:09.359 The they haven't actually told us how they determined that the baby had measles. 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:25.119 There they've said that the doctors, like the attending and treating medical doctors, evaluated and diagnosed this baby with measles based on like clinical findings and medical history. 00:20:25.599 --> 00:20:35.440 But we don't know at this point, uh as of the recording right now, we don't know if they used like antibody tests or they used PCR testing. 00:20:35.680 --> 00:20:47.759 If they used antibody testing, then it's possible that the mother had measles at some point and

developed antibodies against it and transferred those protective antibodies to the baby. 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:55.680 So in that situation, the presence of antibodies in the baby could actually indicate protection against measles. 00:20:56.319 --> 00:21:02.400 The other path is if they used PCR or polymerase chain reaction testing. 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:13.519 And in that sense, then we don't know how many cycles, for example, they used to determine if a quote-unquote virus was present. 00:21:13.759 --> 00:21:15.599 So did they use too many cycles? 00:21:15.759 --> 00:21:16.160 We don't know. 00:21:16.240 --> 00:21:16.880 We saw this. 00:21:16.960 --> 00:21:20.640 This is the same playbook that we've seen in recent history. 00:21:21.119 --> 00:21:24.400 Um, so that has to still be teased out. 00:21:24.559 --> 00:21:34.559 Um, Kennedy is not convinced, apparently, that measles caused that death of that second child, the second infant. 00:21:35.200 --> 00:21:39.519 I mean, it has not been posted yet on the CDC website, and they said they're looking into it. 00:21:39.680 --> 00:21:40.720 So he's not convinced. 00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:43.680 I think he's waiting for this information to come out. 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:58.640 Um and so I want to say that I know we have a varied audience, and measles is is defined as a quote unquote virus by mainstream medicine and science. 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:04.799 And You know, that and that means the PCR testing may be totally void anyway. 00:22:05.200 --> 00:22:10.960 Um, so that is a bigger topic than what we're gonna cover today. 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:13.279 And I'm not discounting or dismissing that. 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:24.480 Today I'm gonna bring you some new evidence, um, a brand new study that's been released about um transmissibility of um measles and such. 00:22:24.640 --> 00:22:30.960 So I want you to just bear with me because today we're just gonna talk about what mainstream is saying. 00:22:31.279 --> 00:22:35.599 I am separately doing this deep dive into what do I think measles actually is. 00:22:35.839 --> 00:22:43.680 There is a strong micronutrient deficiency component to measles, but we're only gonna touch on that today. 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:47.359 Again, this is a huge topic, so just stay with us on this. 00:22:47.440 --> 00:23:00.319 And if anyone's interested in me doing that kind of deep dive into what do we think measles actually is, um, and what is transmission and you know, things like that, then let us know. 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:01.519 Send us a message, let us know. 00:23:01.680 --> 00:23:08.000 For right now, we're just gonna go with what's being talked about on the mainstream, um, and you know, the data that we have at hand. 00:23:08.559 --> 00:23:16.559 So at the time of this recording, the CDC said that they're gonna review the cases. 00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:21.839 And and they they've been trying to review it, they've been having a hard time getting information. 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:33.839 Um, and so that's one of the reasons why Kennedy fought back and said that basically this is this is a political stunt that you're doing because why aren't you giving us the information? 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:45.359 So, anyway, this went back and forth, and it prompted me to actually start looking at, well, what information do we have on measles? 00:23:46.480 --> 00:23:48.880 And like how deadly is this? 00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:50.559 You know, as a as a mom. 00:23:50.880 --> 00:24:00.720 All right, wait, but before you go there, um were both of these so one infant was how old were these? 00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:18.319 I mean, the one if if it was it was if it was in delivery, it was an injury in delivery, that baby was that you an infinite, an infinite, an infant can be anything from you know a day old to six months old. 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:24.799 I mean, I'm I'm not a I'm not a pediatrician, but I would call a six month old an infant. 00:24:25.039 --> 00:24:27.759 Um so how old were these? 00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:34.720 Was one just literally hours old and the other one a day, or how old were they? 00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:41.279 Okay, so the one case that involved a ruptured spleen, it was a a newborn. 00:24:42.079 --> 00:24:42.960 That's what they're saying. 00:24:43.119 --> 00:24:43.920 A newborn. 00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:44.480 Okay. 00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:47.039 The other one was six weeks old. 00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:50.240 Six weeks old baby girl from the Amish community. 00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:54.880 All right, died from a respiratory died from a measles-induced respiratory illness. 00:24:55.359 --> 00:24:58.720 Were both of them were both of them Amish children? 00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:00.640 I believe so. 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:01.599 Let me see. 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:05.599 I'm I'm I'm going somewhere with this. 00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:15.839 Just um I I I think from from what I've read or heard, they were both Amish children. 00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:16.400 Yeah. 00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:21.680 They were both Amish in uh Lancaster. 00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:22.480 Yeah. 00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:29.359 And and uh and that started a bit of a uh what would be the word? 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:48.000 Uh a bit of a push is too gentle, but uh a kind of um a coup in the Amish community uh from Governor Shapiro to get Amish kids vaccinated and to you know to to to kind of single out the Amish community as a problem. 00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:49.200 Exactly. 00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:56.799 And and so they've done some things that have been called out by some alternative media. 00:25:57.039 --> 00:26:06.480 So one of the questions that I had was why did he hold a big press conference on this, you know, like and and and okay. 00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:08.160 I've got I've got a theory for you. 00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:09.200 Okay, go ahead. 00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:19.440 I haven't read I haven't read this anywhere, but I am extremely

friendly with the Amish communities around the country and the biggest ones in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. 00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:20.799 That's the biggest one. 00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:30.960 And in the last election is the first time that thousands of Amish voted. 00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:49.839 The Amish are conscientious objectures, they they're uh they're pacifists, so they don't do military, they don't vote, uh, they they take a very strong position that we're not of this world, we're pilgrims passing through, and so we're we're we're disinvolved uh from the world. 00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:52.160 And and one of those is that they don't vote. 00:26:52.400 --> 00:27:04.799 But in the last election, uh there was a pretty aggressive push in Lancaster to uh register them, to get them to the polls. 00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:07.200 Many of them voted for the first time. 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:18.559 And I can tell you um numerous political pundits, we'll just say it that way, have said Trump won Pennsylvania. 00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:22.480 It was just enough votes for Trump to win Pennsylvania. 00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:24.640 Amish don't vote for Democrats. 00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:28.160 I mean, I'll just I'll just I know them well enough. 00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:30.319 They don't vote for Democrats. 00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:37.839 They're they're vibrantly right to life, they're vibrantly, you know, leave us alone, small government, low taxes. 00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:49.200 Um, and so uh they are vibrantly um Republican, even though even though they would never sign up as a Republican, you know, uh they would never join anything. 00:27:49.359 --> 00:28:11.839 Um and so there's a there's a lot of resentment in Pennsylvania Democrats of what they consider to be a um an unprecedented involvement in the election that they can kind of count on the Amish as being uh you know a non-starter, they're a non-entity in the election. 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:14.079 Well, suddenly they became an entity. 00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:16.319 And so there's a lot of resentment there. 00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:20.240 So are you saying it's retaliation for them voting for Trump? 00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:25.119 Um I'm saying that that is a possible theory, yes. 00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:29.279 Okay, yay, because that was one of my possibilities I wrote down. 00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:34.240 Like, so it it could be uh you know, retaliation. 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:39.920 Also, it could be um a land grab. 00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:46.559 You know, Katherine Austin Fitz talks about how she thinks a land grab is happening because they want the Amish land. 00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:50.559 So, um, and so this might be part of trying to chase them off. 00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:57.519 Um, I don't know if you've been following in New York, they may have implemented a similar tactic. 00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:14.400 So just to get people up to speed, New York ended um in in 2019 under Governor Cuomo, they basically ended your

right to exercise religious exemption from school vaccine requirements. 00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:18.000 And they impose fines if you don't comply. 00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:33.279 So there's a one-room Amish schoolhouse in upstate New York that is currently facing a combined$118,000 in state fines because they will not comply with that new state law. 00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:37.519 Um, basically, they're not giving their children the vaccines. 00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:52.160 Now, these are private schools, they don't receive government funding, you know, from what I can find, but the government is charging them a$2,000 civil penalty penalty per violation. 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:59.359 And each day that each unvaccinated student attends school is a separate violation. 00:29:59.920 --> 00:30:05.279 So as long as the kids are in school, they're gonna keep running up this bill. 00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:08.720 So the Amish families in the school sued the state. 00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:12.799 They said that it was an attack on their First Amendment right, you know, religious freedom. 00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:19.119 And what happened is the case was actually rejected by the Second U.S. 00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:20.720 Circuit Court of Appeals. 00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:25.920 The lawyers, the their lawyers petitioned the Supreme Court in July of 2025. 00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:30.240 In December, the Supreme Court sent the case back to the Second U.S. 00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:35.039 Circuit Court of Appeals and ordered the court to reconsider the case. 00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:43.039 In July of this year, the that circuit court again ruled against the Amish family. 00:30:43.599 --> 00:30:49.119 And just last month in August, attorneys for the Amish announced they're gonna petition the U.S. 00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:54.720 Supreme Court again to take up this court, uh, this case, they're gonna file it in September. 00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:56.880 Now, here's the thing, Joel. 00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:28.000 If the Supreme Court takes up the case and they they um you know rule against them or they decline this, you know, second petition and New York continues to enforce fines, their attorney, which happens to be Aaron Seary, says that it could result in the government uh confiscating the Amish land in order to be able to pay the debts. 00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:49.200 So just think about the you know, um when I was in college in the late 1970s, the Ohio Supreme Court, and this didn't go to the U.S. 00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:57.119 Supreme Court, but the Amish were in the Ohio's went to the Ohio Supreme Court who ruled in their favor. 00:31:59.920 --> 00:32:06.880 Um a lot of people don't realize that pre-1960s the Amish kids went to public schools. 00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:08.319 Oh, I didn't know that. 00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:13.920 Yes, the Amish kids went to public schools all up until the late 1960s. 00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:25.279 Late about 19 late 1960s, 1970, the Amish were so were so fed up

with the public schools that they started doing their own schools. 00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:28.000 That's when the Amish schools started. 00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:43.839 And and um so Ohio Department of Public Education took the Amish schools to court um for tru for truancy. 00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:48.160 That that that that these were not real schools. 00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:55.519 And and so they were, you know, you're you're not letting your kids go to school, you know, truancy violations. 00:32:55.839 --> 00:33:26.640 It went all the way to the Ohio Supreme Court, and um this was on when I was on the debate team in college, and so we were following this very closely, and because I was at a private college, and um and the Amish won, and at that time the Ohio Supreme Court created the um the uh the criteria differentiating a belief, a religious belief, a conviction, from a preference. 00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:35.279 Oh and and they said the First Amendment does not protect preference, it only protects conviction. 00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:47.920 And they created a a checklist of if if your belief is uh moves to a place of a religious conviction versus just a preference. 00:33:48.400 --> 00:34:06.559 Some of the some of the rules that might be interesting to you, um, I well, I can't remember them all, but one is uh you have a true conviction if if you don't require if if believing it and standing for it does not require anybody else to stand with you. 00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:10.239 All right, that's one. 00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:36.559 Um because in the courtroom, as you can imagine, the Amish, they they of course, you know, they they use the Bible a lot, and uh and they invoked they said they they they pointed across there was a public school across the street actually from the courtroom in the final court hearing. 00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:40.480 And they they said that school there, that's a Philistine school. 00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:42.079 That's the Philistines. 00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:45.760 And we have a school too. 00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:55.199 And um and they're both schools, but one is one is biblical and one is Philistine. 00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:57.760 And and uh that's the way they separate. 00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:09.679 Another criteria was that um that no no um coercion can make you change your mind. 00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:19.039 Um in other words, no threat, no coercion, no incentive. 00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:22.000 There's nothing that can make you change your mind. 00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:29.440 So these were and and and my understanding is that these are still, they were landmark, that was a landmark case. 00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:34.079 Um it was uh Ohio versus Levi Wisner. 00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:35.760 That's how much I remember that. 00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:39.599 Um Levi Wisner was the Amish, was was the Amish guy. 00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:42.400 And um, and and he prevailed. 00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:51.760 And and my understanding is that those, you

know, like four uh stipulations are still used today to defend religious liberty. 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:55.360 Oh wow in in American in American courts. 00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:57.679 So it's fascinating to me. 00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:12.960 Here's what's really fascinating to me is that at that time the the Amish won basically saying our school is our church, they're not two different entities. 00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:21.360 Our church is our school, our school is our church, and they won on religious liberty. 00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:30.800 Today in New York, we're back with the Amish, and the state is saying the same thing. 00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:40.480 You're a school, not it's this, it's the same argument, but not from a curriculum, it's from a it's from a health mandate. 00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:45.440 So it's it's the same issue, it's the same issue, the same people. 00:36:46.159 --> 00:37:03.280 One one was a one was a truancy, your your right, your right to not go to a public school, and now it's your right to not go to any school that the government deems fits a school definition of a school. 00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:19.519 Yeah, so it almost seems like so they won the case that the church is the school, and now there's like, oh, well, now that you're a school, you have to now abide by our rules and they have to be vaccinated. 00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:32.400 So we're we're seeing this pr progression, we're seeing this legal thinking progression, um, which is which is far worse now, the the the way they're interpreting this in New York. 00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:35.599 Uh what they're saying is here's the definition of a school. 00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:40.159 You know, teacher, students, building, I mean you know, I don't know, whatever, whatever their criteria is. 00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:41.440 And this is a school. 00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:46.159 And in order to go to a school, um, you know, you have to be vaccinated. 00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:50.239 And uh it's a and so so here we are back in New York. 00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:56.000 I think, I think they're gonna have to argue again, this is not a school, it's a church. 00:37:56.719 --> 00:37:57.119 Yeah. 00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:03.280 They're gonna be back to the same argument that they won in Ohio back in the mid-1970s. 00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:04.159 Yeah. 00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:12.159 And, you know, I was thinking about this case, and I thought, so why should the typical American care? 00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:12.800 Right? 00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:14.000 We're not Amish. 00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:14.639 Right. 00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:19.119 But if they can get to the Amish, right? 00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:31.760 If they can force the Amish to say, oh, well, you don't get religious exemption for vaccination, I feel like all the dominoes fall. 00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:32.719 Absolutely. 00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:40.719 Uh any any private school of any stripe of anything is going is going to be uh put in the same in the

same uh box. 00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:45.039 Yeah, because the Amish are kind of like that last, that last stronghold. 00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:45.519 Right. 00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:49.920 Well, the like if if anybody has a religious conviction, it'll be them. 00:38:50.000 --> 00:39:00.800 And so I was gonna um read this to you to see what you think because uh one of the Amish fathers, Joseph Miller, he's the lead plaintiff in this New York school um fines case. 00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:03.599 He submitted a statement, a written statement to the U.S. 00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:04.719 Supreme Court. 00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:07.440 Uh, and this was uh last year. 00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:11.599 And I'm when I I'm gonna read this to you, Joel. 00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:16.880 And as I'm reading this, think of when was the last time you had this much conviction? 00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:18.960 You know, like this was moving to me. 00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:31.119 He said, our forefathers came to America for freedom of religion and concerns of living a God-fearing life and bringing up our children in a way to hope through salvation and everlasting life in eternity. 00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:35.280 To do this, we need to put our full trust in the Almighty, Almighty God. 00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:44.639 Yes, our Almighty, Almighty God wants us to fully put our faith and trust in Him, which is in conflict to put our trust in vaccines. 00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:47.840 We are commanded to not be conform to this world. 00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:58.400 And since some of the vaccines are based on fetal or aborted cell lines, we believe it would be an abomination to our creator to inject such into our bodies. 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:10.239 Then um, the the next one, Ezra Wingard, the Amish elder, he was elected by the community to represent the New York Amish schools in dealing with the state. 00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:11.599 Check this out, Joel. 00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:20.239 He said the Amish will choose prison time or a martyr's death before going against their convictions. 00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:21.519 Yep, yep. 00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:28.800 And he says it's our utmost desire is to live a quiet, peaceful, undisturbed life and obey those in authority over us. 00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:35.920 But once those laws are in conflict with what the Bible teaches, then we are commanded to obey God rather than man. 00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:36.960 Yep, yep. 00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:38.639 I mean, it takes my breath away. 00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:40.400 That's that's straight out of that. 00:40:40.559 --> 00:41:04.079 That's what Peter, that's what Saint Peter told, you know, the um the Roman guards when they came to tell him, you know, to quit uh Acts, uh John, the the the original apostles, um that we will um nobody nobody can tell us not to preach in in this name, the name of Jesus. 00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:05.519 I mean, just yeah. 00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:06.960 I mean, that's straight. 00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:10.960

He's he's quoting straight out of the straight out of uh Acts, the early church stuff. 00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:13.199 And we talk yeah, yeah. 00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:16.719 Talk about conviction conviction versus preference. 00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:18.719 Yeah, that screams conviction to me. 00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:20.480 I wish we could all be so convicted. 00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:21.440 Absolutely. 00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:21.920 Yeah, yeah. 00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:26.960 That's um okay, so here's how New York State responded. 00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:35.199 So there's a senator on record of j who just who's trying to justify the 2019 repeal of religious exemption. 00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:36.239 This is what he said. 00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:41.119 The matter of fact is that religious exemption in New York State is made up. 00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:45.760 It's fake because there is no religion that objects to vaccines. 00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:49.599 Not Islam, not Catholicism, not um Judaism. 00:41:51.039 --> 00:42:01.039 There and an assembly amend went on record that says there's nothing, nothing in the Jewish religion, the Christian religion, the Muslim religion that suggests that you can't get vaccinated. 00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:03.360 It is just utter garbage. 00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:07.039 So literally that's how they think of it. 00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:10.960 I'm like, oh my goodness, that that's what the Amish are up against there. 00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:22.400 Um and I will tell you, interestingly, so I think this is like I'm saying, this is all kind of coming to a head, not only globally, but you know, here in America. 00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:42.159 So you have you have that case coming, you have um you have Kennedy on X on August 25th, the same day that the Pennsylvania governor came out with that press release claiming those two people, you know, unvaccinated people died for um uh you know, measle associated. 00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:45.280 You had Kennedy posting a video on X. 00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:47.840 It was a deposition of Stanley Plotken. 00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:50.320 He was the inventor of the MMR vaccine. 00:42:50.639 --> 00:43:04.480 This video is where Plotten Plotkin admits to using 76 aborted babies in studies that led to the to the development of the MMR vaccine. 00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:12.159 All of those 76 aborted babies were apparently over three months old and normally developing. 00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:19.519 So you've got Kennedy posting that on X, which verifies, you know, validates what the Amish are saying. 00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:21.599 This is against their religious belief. 00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:31.280 And it's kind of it's kind of trying to poke a hole in this belief of this vaccine narrative that's been created in our culture. 00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:38.079 Um I I think there's a lot of politics happening behind the scenes, as we've talked about. 00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:47.760 And I think also um there's a there's a poll that

came out that said that the vaccine issue is dividing Republicans. 00:43:48.960 --> 00:44:04.400 So the midterms were coming up, and if that poll is true, and you know, if Trump and the Republicans got a hold of that poll, then They may be trying to shift the perception, right? 00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:07.440 Trying to grab some of these voters. 00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:26.800 And because why else would all of a sudden Kennedy be allowed to post this video talking about aborted babies in the MMR vax, which is the same MM, it's the same vaccination that the governor is trying to get the Amish to take right now. 00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:33.440 Yes. 00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:40.960 And so aborted using aborted babies is a Republican issue, right? 00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:45.760 So would a so by the New York definition, would a homeschool be a school? 00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:53.360 Well, I don't know what the New York definition of school is, but probably, I mean, I think they just took it all out, right? 00:44:53.519 --> 00:45:01.440 That you can't have you can no longer have a religious exemption from the I mean, that's a really good question. 00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:05.599 I don't know if it's from schools in general, like all schools. 00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:06.559 I don't know. 00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:10.320 Um I mean here, I can look at the. 00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:26.719 Weak argumentation um by saying the word vaccine is not in the Bible. 00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:31.440 Um because that that's called that's called arguing from the silence. 00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:37.519 And there are lots of things that aren't in the Bible. 00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:55.519 There, you know, there's no computers, there's no Coca-Cola, there's no um, there's no automobiles, um, no McDonald's, no Happy Meals, um, no um the word the word pornography is not in the Bible. 00:45:55.760 --> 00:46:05.119 Um there's you you can't you can't argue from the silence of a historic document. 00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:09.280 That's that's simply not um not an argument that holds water. 00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:29.679 And so for him to invoke just because it doesn't say something means that um that the the principles surrounding this don't have um religious ramifications or biblical ramifications. 00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:39.840 Um I mean look is is um it's a it's a pretty vacuous it's a pretty vacuous argument. 00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:40.719 Yeah. 00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:47.039 So I looked it up you you can still homeschool in New York and not vaccinate, okay? 00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:47.920 Oh, okay. 00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:50.079 Yeah, if you're strictly homeschooled. 00:46:51.039 --> 00:47:05.280 Um but yes, so to your point, so it could be retaliation against you know the Amish uh for their vote, uh for the Republican vote. 00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:15.280 Um, if you follow that land grab uh theory, then there's a clear path where the state can get their land, right? 00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:18.079 Suing them for fines in New York, that can happen. 00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:24.960 And actually 25,000 Amish in New York are discussing leaving the state right now over vaccines. 00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:39.599 And you know, Joel, if they leave the state, it's a win-win for New York because not only do they get the I'm assuming they could get the land because right, they have to pay the debt, but also the those Republican votes leave. 00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:40.400 Yeah. 00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:50.480 Well, the the land, the land would simply be, it would, it would just simply go on the market and be able to be purchased by you know whoever wants to purchase it. 00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:54.079 So I I don't think that land would go to the state. 00:47:54.800 --> 00:48:03.280 Um it would it would it would stay in the private sector, but the um but the but it would not be owned by the Amish. 00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:04.960 Yeah, well, I don't know. 00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:10.639 Aaron Siri is saying that it can result in confiscation of the land to pay the debts. 00:48:11.519 --> 00:48:25.519 So well hundred and eighty-six thousand dollars, believe me, believe me, huh, um the Amish are not gonna let the money determine what they do. 00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:26.639 Oh, yeah. 00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:36.880 So if if if if uh for$186,000, they'll just pass a hat, pick up an offering, and pay it. 00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:42.320 So so I I I don't see it as a confiscation of land. 00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:49.840 I mean, I I see it as a as a I mean as chasing them off. 00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:54.960 I I get that, but I don't see it as a state confiscating their land. 00:48:55.199 --> 00:49:03.039 I see it as a situation that becomes so untenable that a group of people leaves leaves an area. 00:49:03.199 --> 00:49:03.519 Yeah. 00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:12.239 And and and um because trust me, the the Amish are not gonna let this build up to a million and then two million and three million, it ain't gonna happen. 00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:13.920 Ain't gonna happen. 00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:20.480 Yeah, I think it's more of a um, well, okay, so there's a couple ideas that I had as well. 00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:24.239 So one is running them off, like you're saying. 00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:32.559 Um the other is it could be, I mean, and obviously I think it's more than one thing. 00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:43.440 It's not just you know one strategy, but they could be trying to remove the quote unquote control group in this vaccine experiment that's going on um in the world. 00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:56.800 So, you know, so now interestingly, so the Amish are thought of as kind of this last stronghold in or the last control group in the vaccine debate because most people think that they're not vaccinated. 00:49:57.119 --> 00:49:57.440 Right. 00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:00.800 So uh that's not entirely true. 00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:06.239 So, as you said, Lancaster County is the home of the largest Amish settlement

in the country. 00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:25.440 And according to uh the Pennsylvania state and local officials, they're saying that the community, the Amish community in Lancaster County, has 25% of the Amish vaccinated against MMR. 00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:32.639 So the government itself is saying 25% of them, a quarter of them are already vaccinated against MMR. 00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:39.440 Now, what they've done is they're putting in these MMR pop-up clinics across the state. 00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:41.440 They started that in April. 00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:44.239 They have 91 of them up. 00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:48.159 There's 40 more of these pop-up clinics planned. 00:50:48.559 --> 00:50:59.679 And one of their statistics says that they've already administered over 4,000 MMR doses to the Amish at these clinics. 00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:03.519 So they're popping up these clinics in the Amish community, right? 00:51:03.679 --> 00:51:05.760 They're bringing the vaccine to them. 00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:13.280 Um, I also turn uh said I also read that they're doing in-home immunization services. 00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:21.679 So that, you know, door-to-door, they have buggy clinics, they're doing pop-up vaccination booths at MUD sales, which are their community auctions. 00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:24.559 They're doing visits to the Amish schoolhouses. 00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:33.440 And this is all actually documented in their state's technical um like their strategy that that it's it's all listed there in the strategy. 00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:38.800 You know, you know what's amazing is how fast the government can move when they really get behind something. 00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:39.519 Oh yeah. 00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:42.159 When they're motivated, like Man, oh man. 00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:49.280 I mean, think about the the logistics, the people to hire, the pop-up, the the infrastructure, the walls. 00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:51.280 I mean, man, oh man. 00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:55.599 Uh if they if they really want to do something, they can they can do it. 00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:57.039 They can make it happen. 00:51:57.199 --> 00:51:57.679 Yep. 00:51:57.840 --> 00:51:59.039 And yep, fast. 00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:06.719 Um, okay, so if that's true that they're trying to remove the control group, we know that they have these pop-up clinics. 00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:20.079 We we know that they're pressuring the Amish to get vaccinated by singling them out in you know in the media, in these press releases. 00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:29.599 Uh, and actually, in uh there was a there was another measles outbreak in 2014. 00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:40.559 In that measles outbreak, I was in Ohio and in that measles outbreak, it was reported that 8,000 Amish got vaccinated. 00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:42.159 So 8,000. 00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:45.440 So they they accepted the mass vaccination. 00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:52.639 And the reason, according to this scientific article, is the public shame. 00:52:53.360 --> 00:53:04.400 So the media singled them out, yeah, and there's public shame around being singled out, and that they caused the public health crisis, and that increased their compliance. 00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:04.800 Right. 00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:07.760 So this may be a repeat of that. 00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:11.119 Single them out, cause the shame, you know, and they'll do it. 00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:20.079 Um the what's also interesting is this is making the rounds in more of alternative news. 00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:24.559 Around the Amish community, some chemicals are being sprayed. 00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:32.079 And they're saying that, oh, this is just standard, we're spraying against West Nile and we're spraying against mosquitoes. 00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:40.559 But one of the chemicals that's being sprayed is thought to result in measles-like symptoms. 00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:53.360 And one of the other sprays contains synthetic pyrethroids, and those have been associated with autism in a UC Davis study. 00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:55.760 So coincidence? 00:53:55.920 --> 00:54:08.239 Is it coincidence that they're spraying a chemical that can make you appear to have measles symptoms and could also uh make you, you know, have autism, or is this intentional? 00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:11.519 Like I I have no idea, but it's interesting. 00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:16.960 Oh, that's uh that's almost as sinister as saying uh George Bush brought down the Twin Towers. 00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:18.639 Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying. 00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:19.519 Like, I don't know. 00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:21.599 Like they're saying this is just routine stuff. 00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:38.320 And in either way, though, whether it's intentional or whether it's coincidence, why are we spraying chemicals into the air into these communities that could cause that are known to actually cause autism, you know, um, and can mimic measles. 00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:39.679 This this seems like a bad idea. 00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:41.840 Like one of the chemicals is a neurotoxin. 00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:43.760 This just seems like a bad idea. 00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:49.840 So, whatever the intention is, I'm glad that this is starting to come to light so people are aware of what's happening. 00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:52.719 Again, it's all about informed consent, you know? 00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:53.280 Right. 00:54:53.519 --> 00:55:10.000 Um, so oh, and the reason why that connection to autism is important is because they're giving them, they're trying to get the Amish to comply with getting the the Measles Mumps Rebella MMR vaccine. 00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:17.679 This has been a hotly debated topic for a long time is whether or not the MMR vaccine causes autism, right? 00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:20.480 The government is adamant that it doesn't. 00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:31.119 And this is where you have um Andrew Wakefield, who was um he's a researcher. 00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:37.199

And I most people probably know this story, so I won't belabor it, but this was back in '98. 00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:48.559 He published a case series in a Lancet um scientific journal where he reported regressive autism um being associated with inflammation of the colon. 00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:53.119 And this was in children who were vaccinated with the MMR vaccine. 00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:53.679 Okay. 00:55:54.639 --> 00:56:00.639 And 12 years later, the study was actually retracted. 00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:05.119 This is the time when he was about to publish the second study. 00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:17.920 And this second study revealed that there's abnormal neurological development in male monkeys after they got one dose of a thimerosol-containing HEP B vaccine at birth, so mercury-containing vaccine. 00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:21.599 That second publication, the manuscript was accepted. 00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:27.039 It was published electronically, and then it was removed without any explanation. 00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:33.360 Interestingly, it was printed in a different journal without his name on it. 00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:43.360 So if people don't know, like Wakefield was um he was basically dragged over the coals, right? 00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:47.039 He was discredited, they took his license away. 00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:49.360 Uh, it it was really bad. 00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:52.239 And um, he was said to be a fraud. 00:56:53.360 --> 00:57:11.039 And now what's happened is that there's actually been uh people saying that maybe Wakefield is vindicated because uh Paul, oh, what's his name? 00:57:11.519 --> 00:57:12.559 Paul Thorsen? 00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:13.519 Yes. 00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:26.480 So uh Paul Thorsen was uh he actually just uh pleaded guilty of um oh I just lost my notes. 00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:28.400 Uh do you know that story? 00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:36.559 Well I yeah, he pleaded guilty to um what was it, falsifying data or something? 00:57:36.960 --> 00:58:00.480 Okay, it's so he didn't plead guilty to falsifying data, but what happened was so he was actually a former CDC Center for Control Disease Prevention Scientist, and he played a really critical role in building up research that was debunking any link between vaccines and autism. 00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:01.039 Okay. 00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:08.079 And his research was used in part to debunk Andrew Wakefield's research, right? 00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:12.079 And and to basically pile on that Wakefield lied. 00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:15.199 Like they accused Wakefield of falsifying all this data. 00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:24.480 So the CDC guy uh was pled guilty to wire fraud and money laundering. 00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:30.960 He he faces two counts of wire fraud, nine counts of money laundering. 00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:48.719 Basically, he allegedly took about a million dollars in CDC grant money, and he used that grant money to buy a home, two cars, and a motorcycle when the funds were really earmarked for autism and public health research, but he pocketed it. 00:58:49.760 --> 00:59:13.679 So the irony here, right, the guy who helped create this pile of studies saying there's no link between autism and like MMR vaccine, for example, yeah, and said that Wakefield lied and falsified data is the guy that now has pleaded guilty to these other crimes. 00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:21.760 And so now they're thinking, okay, people have said for years, oh, um, he manipulated the data, Thorsend did, Paul Thorsen. 00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:25.199 Um, but like, where's the proof, right? 00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:30.880 So they're hoping that somehow the proof, the truth is gonna come out here. 00:59:31.199 --> 00:59:34.880 And um because that's the obvious question next, right? 00:59:34.960 --> 00:59:40.400 Like if he was willing to pocket a million dollars that was earmarked for autism research, did he cheat on the data? 00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:43.920 I mean, how did they have the money to fund these studies if he took it? 00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:46.400 So uh we we don't know that, right? 00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:55.840 This is speculation at this point, but um we do know that other people should be called into investigation as well. 00:59:56.000 --> 01:00:02.079 So, for example, Thorson's direct grant supervisor was Dr. 01:00:02.320 --> 01:00:04.239 Diana Um Shendel. 01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:10.960 And apparently they were um intimate with each other. 01:00:11.440 --> 01:00:17.440 And she approved all of his invoices for the expenditures from the CDC grant money. 01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:20.079 So, did she know what was going on? 01:00:20.239 --> 01:00:22.000 Like, was she part of this? 01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:26.239 Um, I mean, they did have that romantic relationship. 01:00:26.480 --> 01:00:36.639 Um and she actually later accepted a position at Denmark's um RS University, leading autism research over there. 01:00:38.719 --> 01:00:41.760 So Thorson Thorsen is not American. 01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:44.000 He's uh Norwegian, I think, right? 01:00:44.159 --> 01:00:45.119 Or Swedish. 01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:46.960 He's Scandinavian. 01:00:47.280 --> 01:00:59.360 And they they nabbed him, they nabbed him in uh Germany or Austria, Austria or something when he was traveling, and um they that that's how they got him back to the US to face charges. 01:00:59.679 --> 01:01:05.519 Wow, it's all uh it's all a pretty um uh seamy affair, isn't it? 01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:07.119 It is okay. 01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:17.119 So um that also just hit the newsstands with you know, so it leads more credence to Wakefield's data. 01:01:17.199 --> 01:01:22.880 And actually, I will say, I started looking into the literature because I'm wondering, well, who who's right here? 01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:29.599 And did they really just bury Wakefield because you know, Big Pharma got to them, for example? 01:01:30.239 --> 01:01:46.239 And I found that in 2006 there was a um vaccine strain of

measles reported in the bowel lesions of autistic children. 01:01:46.559 --> 01:01:54.559 And now this was preliminary of a preliminary report, and that that research work was stalled due to lack of funding, right? 01:01:54.639 --> 01:01:55.920 Because who's gonna fund that? 01:01:56.239 --> 01:02:03.840 You find uh a strain of measles that was caused by a vaccine in the bowel lesions of an autistic child. 01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:05.679 Who's gonna fund that work, right? 01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:24.159 Uh there's another study by a Japanese group, and they were able to publish their data, and their data revealed that um RNA from uh like measles, so you know, measles will have its own genome. 01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:41.760 So that RNA from measles was found in the white blood cells of um three patients with ulcerative colitis and nine autistic children who also had the intestinal issues that Wakefield had identified in his research. 01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:43.360 Well, get this, Joel. 01:02:43.679 --> 01:02:52.880 The sequence, the RNA sequence of the measles that they had were consistent with the vaccine, the vaccine strains. 01:02:55.039 --> 01:03:14.559 So, meaning vaccine strain measles virus was found in these patients, meaning that there the research is starting to make a connection and has been making a connection between getting the vaccine and getting not only autism joel, but ulcerative colitis. 01:03:14.719 --> 01:03:19.519 And they also found the vaccine strain in children with um autoimmune hepatitis. 01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:30.719 And some of these researchers are reporting that that vaccine strain can be in the body for many years after the person got vaccinated. 01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:33.920 So uh, I mean, that was a new finding too. 01:03:34.079 --> 01:03:37.840 Like you, your body basically, it's a live attenuated virus. 01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:41.360 So your body basically replicates it at some low level. 01:03:41.599 --> 01:03:41.840 Yeah. 01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:44.400 Um, but anyway, that's a new one that came out. 01:03:44.559 --> 01:03:44.880 Yeah. 01:03:45.039 --> 01:04:00.800 Um, but here's the other thing I was going to share with you that could be a possible reason why they're targeting the the Amish here is number one, I think the governor of Pennsylvania probably wants to score points with the media and the Democrats. 01:04:01.039 --> 01:04:05.519 Um, and right now, because he wants to run for president, right? 01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:15.920 So if he is if if he is going against Secretary Kennedy and Trump, then it's probably gonna score him some points, right? 01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:23.599 So double downing on uh put you know, gonna double down on the vaccines and the message that the Democrats want to hear. 01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:27.280 But the other one, you probably already know this. 01:04:27.920 --> 01:04:30.880 But guess where the MMR vaccine is made. 01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:37.440 Um I have no idea where it's made. 01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:38.239 Uh-huh. 01:04:38.639 --> 01:04:39.199 I don't know. 01:04:39.360 --> 01:04:40.480 China, I suppose. 01:04:40.719 --> 01:04:43.119 I know I that was that would have been my first guess too. 01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:43.599 China. 01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:45.440 No, it's made in Pennsylvania. 01:04:45.679 --> 01:04:47.280 Oh, made in Pennsylvania. 01:04:47.840 --> 01:04:48.079 Yes. 01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:49.119 Okay. 01:04:49.360 --> 01:04:51.599 So it does really just come down to money. 01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:52.639 I think so. 01:04:52.800 --> 01:05:02.480 It's made in uh Pennsylvania by Merck, and um it is made in their like largest pharmaceutical vaccine manufacturing facility in the U.S. 01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:13.440 The governor in 2025 actually boasted that more than one half of all vaccines that are administered in the United States are made in Pennsylvania. 01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:28.000 So in Pennsylvania, vaccine production is responsible for 4,700 jobs, and it generates about 4.74 billion dollars for Pennsylvania's economy. 01:05:28.400 --> 01:05:29.920 That's a lot of money. 01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:33.840 He's got to keep the vaccine manufacturers happy. 01:05:34.079 --> 01:05:35.440 I mean, there's this whole long list. 01:05:35.519 --> 01:05:36.480 It's not just Merck. 01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:47.199 So um Merck actually in July of this year, we found out that they invested nearly$3 billion to expand their campus in Pennsylvania. 01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:50.159 Um, so that was in July we found that out. 01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:59.840 It was late August that the Pennsylvania Department of Health ramped up their um vaccination campaign with those pop up vaccination clinics ramping up. 01:06:00.400 --> 01:06:00.559 Up. 01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:05.840 It was August 25th that Shapiro announced the two measles associated deaths. 01:06:06.800 --> 01:06:10.000 So, you know, it could be coincidence in timing. 01:06:11.199 --> 01:06:20.320 GSK, another uh, you know, vaccine company, is also located, you know, in Pennsylvania. 01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:23.760 They've increased their footprint in Lancaster County. 01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:26.639 They got$21 million in state subsidies. 01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:32.480 Eli Lilly in January of this year got$100 million in Pennsylvania state subsidies. 01:06:32.719 --> 01:06:38.800 And so Niffee Pasture just in June got$10.6 million in Pennsylvania grants. 01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:42.400 They, by the way, make over 40% 42% of all the U.S. 01:06:42.559 --> 01:06:44.960 flu vaccine doses. 01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:50.559 So Pennsylvania seems to be in bed with pharmaceutical companies, you know. 01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:54.400 So they might have a little bit of a bias there and they do need to keep them happy. 01:06:54.719 --> 01:07:00.719 It's got his economy there in Pennsylvania has to do well if he wants to run for president. 01:07:01.119 --> 01:07:05.599 So just one more reason that they might

want okay. 01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:07.840 So Cena, we're almost out of time. 01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:24.559 And you told me at the top of the program that you were that this all pushed you into diving into a little bit uh of your uh your mother hen uh uh mother hen protective instinct about protecting your kids from measles, and if they get it, what can you do? 01:07:24.880 --> 01:07:34.400 Yes in a couple minutes, can you run by a little bit of protocol that you've um that you've found on that on that end of the problem? 01:07:35.280 --> 01:07:35.760 Awesome. 01:07:35.920 --> 01:07:36.719 Okay, definitely. 01:07:36.960 --> 01:07:50.239 And um I didn't I have like 20 pages of notes here that we didn't get to, but let me tell you like so the bottom line, and if if listeners want, we can go into this more in a later podcast. 01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:54.400 But a couple things that I found that helped me to not be afraid. 01:07:54.639 --> 01:08:01.760 Um, some of these are remedies, and then some is the overall trajectory of measles history. 01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:06.719 Measles used to be really feared, and it did kill a lot of people. 01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:09.360 And this was even in the 1800s. 01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:18.159 There were measle epidemics that occurred about every two years in the US and in England, and up to about 20% of children died on average. 01:08:18.319 --> 01:08:21.680 So it was a very, very big deal, okay. 01:08:22.079 --> 01:08:32.319 Um by 1960, the mortality fell in, for example, England and Wales to 0.03%. 01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:38.960 So people still got measles, but it was usually mild in the developed world. 01:08:39.199 --> 01:08:52.880 Uh in the US by the 60s, by the by 1960, the deaths from measles, the mortality rate was 0.24 per 100,000. 01:08:53.119 --> 01:08:55.359 That's 0.00024%. 01:08:56.159 --> 01:08:59.039 It was a 98% decrease from the peak. 01:08:59.279 --> 01:08:59.600 Okay. 01:08:59.840 --> 01:09:05.039 So have I emphasized enough for you how much it declined by 1960? 01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:07.439 Like everybody on the same page. 01:09:07.680 --> 01:09:09.439 It was pretty much gone. 01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:09.840 Okay. 01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:12.000 Was that because of the vaccine? 01:09:12.239 --> 01:09:14.000 It was not because of the vaccine. 01:09:14.079 --> 01:09:17.119 I'm like, oh, this is the biggest misnomer. 01:09:17.359 --> 01:09:21.279 So the vaccine wasn't even licensed until 1963. 01:09:22.159 --> 01:09:22.479 Okay. 01:09:22.800 --> 01:09:25.520 So by 1960, I gave you the stats. 01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:25.840 Yeah. 01:09:26.079 --> 01:09:27.760 There practically were no deaths. 01:09:27.920 --> 01:09:28.239 Okay. 01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:32.960 By the time the vaccine was licensed, there were zero deaths in Massachusetts. 01:09:33.119 --> 01:09:36.479 The Washington state death rate was 0.3 per 100,000. 01:09:36.560 --> 01:09:38.159 That's the 0.003%. 01:09:38.960 --> 01:09:42.399 Deaths from asthma, Joel, were 56 times greater. 01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:42.960 Okay. 01:09:43.520 --> 01:09:45.199 So it wasn't the vaccine. 01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:47.119 And then people will say it was antibiotics. 01:09:47.199 --> 01:09:48.319 It wasn't the antibiotics. 01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:54.239 Penicillin wasn't even mass produced until um 1944. 01:09:55.520 --> 01:10:04.239 And by the 1930s, the chance of dying from measles had already dropped to about one to two percent in the US and in England. 01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:08.479 Okay, so why did we actually see the drop? 01:10:09.439 --> 01:10:12.960 It was in large part because of better nutrition. 01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:17.520 It was better hygiene and better nutrition. 01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:20.560 So this might kind of surprise people. 01:10:20.800 --> 01:10:24.159 One thing that went went out that went out of fashion was breastfeeding, right? 01:10:25.199 --> 01:10:34.079 So um in the 1940s, there were about only 25% of infants initiated with with breast milk. 01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:39.920 Uh you know, it's gone up 35% in the 70s, and today it's about 75%. 01:10:43.039 --> 01:10:52.560 That uh breastfeeding protects children from measles, surprisingly, for some people. 01:10:52.960 --> 01:10:58.880 There's the a lower risk of contracting clinical measles after being breastfed. 01:10:59.279 --> 01:11:05.359 And uh one study, Joel, shows that that protection can last up to 10 years. 01:11:06.159 --> 01:11:07.920 I mean, isn't that incredible? 01:11:08.239 --> 01:11:10.399 Just from breastfeeding the baby. 01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:15.039 Um, and there's there's some breastfeeding in the 1860s? 01:11:15.279 --> 01:11:15.520 Yeah. 01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:18.880 Well, this was one I'm saying, this is something you could do now. 01:11:19.199 --> 01:11:24.800 So, but we they had they didn't have the same nutrition that that we had today. 01:11:24.960 --> 01:11:26.640 So that's one thing that a mother could do now. 01:11:26.960 --> 01:11:27.680 Or hygiene. 01:11:27.920 --> 01:11:28.239 That's right. 01:11:28.880 --> 01:11:32.159 I mean, 1860s, you took a bath once a month, whether you needed it or not. 01:11:32.479 --> 01:11:33.039 That's right. 01:11:33.199 --> 01:11:35.680 That yes, the hydrant and the nutrition. 01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:44.720 Now, um, so the other one is vitamin A. 01:11:45.359 --> 01:12:01.760 So these are some of the the the nutrients that can help prevent um you know can getting it and um and help you if you do get it, help you not have um like complications from it. 01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:09.119 Vitamin A, vitamin C, vitamin D, and also vitamins B, zinc, selenium, and protein can help. 01:12:09.359 --> 01:12:13.039 But I want to highlight vitamin A, for example. 01:12:13.279 --> 01:12:19.600 So vitamin A um helps upregulate the innate immune system. 01:12:20.479 --> 01:12:29.359 Uh and it's actually been well known to reduce mortality and you know, other consequences. 01:12:29.520 -->

01:12:31.680 So this has been known for a long time, Joel. 01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:37.680 In the 1920s, they theorized that vitamin A could be used to fight off disease. 01:12:37.920 --> 01:12:41.439 Um, it was actually dubbed an anti-infective vitamin. 01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:52.000 In 1932, there's a report that well-nourished children rarely died or had serious complications from measles. 01:12:52.640 --> 01:12:53.039 Right? 01:12:53.199 --> 01:12:56.079 So they already knew this now in the 1930s. 01:12:56.319 --> 01:13:09.359 They already, scientists at that point, found that the mortality of children who are hospitalized with measles would drop by 58% if you gave them cod liver oil. 01:13:10.319 --> 01:13:16.319 I mean, Joel, 58% drop in mortality rate just by giving cod liver oil, right? 01:13:16.800 --> 01:13:26.079 Um, in the 1990s, in poor countries, so you'll still see more deaths now in poorer countries, right? 01:13:26.239 --> 01:13:30.479 The ones that don't have as many nutrients, um, they're more nutrient deficient. 01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:39.279 So in 1990, there was mortality rates measured in measles cases. 01:13:39.359 --> 01:13:50.479 And what they showed was that even in these poor countries, if you gave vitamin A to patients who are hospitalized with measles, you'd have a 60% reduction in the risk of death. 01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:55.680 And in infants, you had a 90% reduction in death. 01:13:56.319 --> 01:13:59.119 90% just from giving vitamin A. 01:13:59.279 --> 01:14:01.840 So again, I would do it in cod liver oil. 01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:06.960 If you don't think that's applicable today, then this might blow your mind. 01:14:07.119 --> 01:14:17.840 There was a study out of 1992, um, in 1992, out of California in Long Beach, where they studied 20 children with measles. 01:14:18.319 --> 01:14:22.079 50% of them were deficient in vitamin A. 01:14:22.560 --> 01:14:27.279 So even here in America, we're having lots of kids show up as deficient in vitamin A. 01:14:27.439 --> 01:14:33.920 So one of my strategies is to ensure that my kids are sufficient in vitamin A and start giving them cod liver oil. 01:14:34.079 --> 01:14:36.640 The same thing was shown with vitamin C. 01:14:36.960 --> 01:14:41.520 You know, during the 1800s, that's when we still had people dying of scurvy, right? 01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:56.960 And um, and what they saw even back then is that you could give vitamin C at high doses, and it was effective at reversing it at stopping measles. 01:14:57.039 --> 01:14:59.680 So this was even back into the 1940s. 01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:05.520 So vitamin C is well documented, um, just like vitamin A. 01:15:05.600 --> 01:15:13.039 So there's simple things that you can do actually to protect your children um, you know, from measles. 01:15:13.680 --> 01:15:18.000 Um and I will say so. 01:15:20.319 --> 01:15:24.000 We could uh like I said, we can unpack this more later if people want. 01:15:24.399 --> 01:15:27.920 But there was

another study that just came out. 01:15:28.159 --> 01:15:30.880 This was in August 14th of this year. 01:15:32.319 --> 01:15:53.439 And I think this at least should garner a conversation with people because as soon as we have a measles outbreak, the headline is the same script: unvaccinated child or unvaccinated person sparks an outbreak, and they're it was preventable, and now we have to mandate everybody gets a vaccine, right? 01:15:53.600 --> 01:15:54.560 Sound familiar? 01:15:54.800 --> 01:16:04.079 Now there's a study on record saying that if you are vaccinated against measles, you can still transmit measles. 01:16:06.079 --> 01:16:19.760 It's 70, 70, they looked at um uh so they they looked at a whole slew of people, but 70 out of 890 vaccinated people got measles. 01:16:21.039 --> 01:16:24.159 So first of all, you can still get it, you can still get measles. 01:16:24.319 --> 01:16:30.000 70 people out of 890 who are vaccinated got measles and they passed it on. 01:16:31.279 --> 01:16:42.000 And we know that 7.9% of them, which um about a third of them did get two doses of MMR. 01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:46.079 So you're said to be fully vaccinated when you have the two doses, right? 01:16:46.800 --> 01:16:53.039 Now, if you look at how many people those 70 people, 70 those 70 people gave measles to, right? 01:16:53.199 --> 01:17:00.159 The downstream effect, those 70 vaccinated people infected 812 people. 01:17:01.680 --> 01:17:02.000 Right. 01:17:02.399 --> 01:17:07.039 And so this is documented in a scientific study. 01:17:07.119 --> 01:17:08.880 I'll put the link in the show description. 01:17:09.039 --> 01:17:12.079 So number one, you can still get measles even if you've been vaccinated. 01:17:12.239 --> 01:17:14.640 Number two, you can transmit it to other people. 01:17:14.880 --> 01:17:18.479 But Joel, here's the really interesting part to me. 01:17:19.359 --> 01:17:27.760 The authors of this paper were they were so it wasn't a French paper. 01:17:28.079 --> 01:17:31.119 Some of the authors of this paper were from the CDC. 01:17:31.359 --> 01:17:45.119 So one of them was a 16-year director of the CDC immunization program, one of them was CDC's measle laboratory chief, one of them was from the World Health Organization's current measle program lead, one of them was from Johns Hopkins. 01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:48.880 I mean, one of them was a top immunization official. 01:17:49.119 --> 01:17:59.680 These are high up people who are standing behind this claim that you can still get measles and you can actually pass it along. 01:18:00.399 --> 01:18:03.600 I mean, I see, I got a question. 01:18:03.920 --> 01:18:08.319 70 vaxxed people infected 812 people. 01:18:09.439 --> 01:18:12.079 Were those 812 people vaccinated? 01:18:12.720 --> 01:18:14.079 It it didn't say. 01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:32.079 So um the other thing that we don't know is that um were the transmitters carrying the wild type measles, or was this the vaccine strain virus? 01:18:32.720 --> 01:18:36.479 It's thought that the vaccine strain virus is not transmissible. 01:18:36.640 --> 01:18:44.479 So the person who gets the vaccine can have measles produced in their body, but it's thought that they don't transmit that. 01:18:45.439 --> 01:18:49.920 So but this study didn't differentiate between the two types. 01:18:50.159 --> 01:18:52.800 So we don't have the answer to that. 01:18:53.439 --> 01:18:58.880 But what we do know now on record is that they can transmit. 01:18:59.199 --> 01:19:07.279 Um it's a it's it's it's probably gonna be less likely in a vaccinated than an unvaccinated person. 01:19:07.520 --> 01:19:18.079 But we also have examples for over 40 years of measles outbreaks that have erupted in populations that have reported a 95% or higher vaccination rate. 01:19:18.399 --> 01:19:24.640 So in 1985 in Corpus Christi, uh these are students that had an outbreak. 01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:26.720 99% of them were vaccinated. 01:19:26.960 --> 01:19:33.279 In Montana in 1985, again, 98%, 98.7% were vaccinated. 01:19:33.439 --> 01:19:37.439 There was one in Colorado, Quebec, Brazil, Cape Town. 01:19:37.680 --> 01:19:43.119 These were, you know, these were all um, you know, vaccinated populations. 01:19:43.279 --> 01:19:53.039 So we do have a long record of measles popping up, quote unquote outbreaks among highly vaccinated populations. 01:19:53.600 --> 01:20:00.159 So I did not know that before the mudslinging between Shapiro and Kennedy caused me to do a deep dive. 01:20:00.399 --> 01:20:14.800 And so what's interesting to me is that in our culture, it seems like we have this belief that if you're vaccinated, the only thing that's a harm to you is an unvaccinated person. 01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:27.279 And what I'm saying is I think that deserves discussion because we're seeing in the literature itself, not fringe literature, and we're seeing in the historical records that's actually not true. 01:20:27.840 --> 01:20:28.399 Hmm. 01:20:28.640 --> 01:20:31.199 Wow, that's fascinating. 01:20:31.439 --> 01:20:35.600 Um all right, so um so question. 01:20:35.760 --> 01:20:38.319 Um, do you feed your kids collid over oil? 01:20:41.279 --> 01:20:42.640 I I do now. 01:20:44.399 --> 01:20:45.600 Okay, all right. 01:20:45.760 --> 01:20:48.319 Well, I think it's uh I think it's a fair question. 01:20:48.479 --> 01:20:55.600 I mean, I know we have we have listeners who who do vaccine, some don't, some do. 01:20:55.760 --> 01:20:57.359 You know, it's all over the board. 01:20:57.600 --> 01:21:18.159 But um you know, you it seems like the more you the more you know, the more this stuff comes out, the more you you just realize that um the human the human um expression is to complicate things that are simple. 01:21:21.039 --> 01:21:23.359 And we and we just we just love to do it. 01:21:24.399 --> 01:21:30.479 We like to kind make we like to simplify the complex and uh and complex the simple. 01:21:30.960 --> 01:21:31.279 Yeah.

01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:34.079 It seems like uh what we want to do. 01:21:34.399 --> 01:21:34.720 Huh. 01:21:34.800 --> 01:21:35.279 Well, good. 01:21:35.359 --> 01:21:45.199 Well, yeah, I think you've given us a good strategy, lots to chew on here, and um fascinating politics of it all as it as it continues to um unwind. 01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:53.520 Um and and um our question of the day is are you giving your kids cod liver oil? 01:21:53.760 --> 01:21:59.119 And um is is there a way to run out of cod liver oil? 01:21:59.359 --> 01:22:01.600 I mean, is there plenty on the planet? 01:22:02.720 --> 01:22:05.039 Oh gosh in the oceans? 01:22:06.560 --> 01:22:12.239 Well I mean if if if everybody started giving cod liver oil, would it get would it make a shortage? 01:22:13.119 --> 01:22:16.720 Okay, so are you trying to tell us we need to stockpile? 01:22:18.159 --> 01:22:23.199 No, I'm just I'm just um I'm just kind of thinking out loud. 01:22:23.279 --> 01:22:25.920 I'm I'm a I'm a whosoever will guy, you know. 01:22:26.079 --> 01:22:30.720 If if we have a solution, it ought to be a solution that everybody can do. 01:22:31.920 --> 01:22:36.960 Well, yeah, okay, so one thing, you can't stockpile it really because it goes bad, right? 01:22:37.359 --> 01:22:47.039 Um actually I just looked it up and it said you can have shortages, though a total permanent disappearance is unlikely. 01:22:47.760 --> 01:22:54.880 Uh so gosh, maybe I'm gonna before this episode, I guess I'll buy some and put it in the freezer. 01:22:54.960 --> 01:22:59.520 Like all right. 01:22:59.680 --> 01:23:04.319 Well, I think I think we've uh we we've run uh up and down around the measles here. 01:23:04.479 --> 01:23:10.800 Uh thank you for diving into it, um, Cena, and um and for leaving us on a real positive note. 01:23:10.880 --> 01:23:12.880 Uh give your kids some cod liver oil. 01:23:12.960 --> 01:23:13.920 Maybe take some yourself. 01:23:14.640 --> 01:23:16.720 Um course, you know, adults don't need it. 01:23:16.800 --> 01:23:18.880 If you've had measles, you know you don't need it. 01:23:19.039 --> 01:23:21.760 So um everybody doesn't have to take it. 01:23:22.239 --> 01:23:25.840 That's actually the best immunity with that you're seeing in these studies. 01:23:26.079 --> 01:23:30.640 And again, I can go on and on, and maybe people can write in or tell us too. 01:23:30.880 --> 01:23:32.479 Do they want more information on it? 01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:33.279 Are they confused? 01:23:33.439 --> 01:23:38.159 Because I know as a mom, I want to make sure I'm doing the best possible and I don't want to live in fear. 01:23:38.399 --> 01:23:47.760 So maybe if people want us to do a bonus episode, we can walk through the whole history and what the research says, but I don't want to bore people with more information than they want to know. 01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:50.800 So let us know if you want us to do a bonus episode on that. 01:23:51.359 --> 01:23:53.359 How much how much measles can you take? 01:23:53.439 --> 01:23:53.760 Yeah. 01:23:53.840 --> 01:23:54.319 Yeah. 01:23:54.640 --> 01:23:55.760 Hey, listen, everybody. 01:23:55.840 --> 01:23:56.239 Thanks. 01:23:56.399 --> 01:24:00.479 Thanks for joining us on another Beyond Labels podcast. 01:24:00.640 --> 01:24:03.840 And we just appreciate you uh investing in us. 01:24:04.000 --> 01:24:07.920 And uh, we'll see you again next week on another Beyond Labels.