EP5 - The Questions Keep Multiplying

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Welcome to episode five of Beth said, I'm Monica Padman
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and as usual, I'm here with Elizabeth Lame and Andy Rosen. Okay,
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so at the end of last episode we sort of
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you guys left us on a doozy that you know
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who this person is, who was Beth and others? Yes,
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and it was in fact, a as you said, male
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East Coast professor in his sixties.
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Well, let's not get carried away. Well, yeah, I know a.
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Pretter and he was behind this. So I think maybe
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we should walk through how you guys figured this out
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for sure.
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I mean it's it's crazy because the guy kind of
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like unbeknownst to him, led us to.
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Him because he sloppily gives away information in his panic.
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And there were emails, comments on the website and also
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a Twitter account as best brother, specifically to tweet at
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me with frantic tweets oh my god.
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And the messages are all coming from not only different places,
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but all these different people too, like they're spiral rolling.
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And in the meantime, Andrea, our web person, had wisely
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looked up the real estate records of the address connected
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to Beth's PayPal uh huh, and to our surprise, you know.
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A family creepy.
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Yeah, so creepy.
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That is not what you expect.
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Yeah, I of course assumed it was some like inceell
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and abasement.
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Yeah, very cliche, very classic.
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Which also would have been really creepy. Like there was
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something about, yeah, the family that had this other ten
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I don't even not explain it, but we're like not
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expecting that, and like who in that family could do that?
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Yeah?
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So then Andrea pointed something else out which I think
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you have an email, Monica, there was a pattern in
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this person's comments.
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Okay, yeah, let me read this email from Andrea. It says,
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I will say all the emails so far have double
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spaces after periods. This is an unusual and old school
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typing style suggestive of an older user. HTML tends to
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strip double spaces after periods, converting them to single spaces,
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which is why it wouldn't show up in the comments
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on your site or on Facebook.
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Whoa, yeah, so she catches that the difference, and yes.
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So it's someone old and then.
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Tammy, yes, our good friend who was holding your hand
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a little bit at this point more emotionally, I would
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say yeah, but she had like a really great take
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on Everything, which we have a clip because we interviewed
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her about this to see like what she remembered, and
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let's play that because it's it's kind of crazy.
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Yeah, yeah, it was so creepy. I could tell it
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was a guy because of how he wrote the girl.
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But this is where I'm like, your skills as a
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writer in a study of human behavior is so valuable
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because I didn't obviously pick up on that, but you
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I think looking at those emails or hearing it on
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the podcast had a little bit of a red flag
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about they were through this lens of like this misogynistic guy.
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I wouldn't even say misogynistic. I would say and I
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don't even know if it's the writer me or if
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it's the part of me that really does go like
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full fan to a way that can be weird and
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like not that I've written these emails, but I can
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also feel do you know what I mean? Where it's
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a part of me is like, oh, I can see
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the tipping point. So the fact that her name was Beth,
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I forgot that, and I was like, Jesus, the fixation
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on you. Because it's also like, as a listener, the
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clarity of your voice like literal physical clarity, and that
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there's something very pure about it and very wholesome about
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the voice. And also there's something very pure about your
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guy's relationship, you know. And so even when you do
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very naturally like it sounds like get dirty or whatever,
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just get real like that, there's a little something like
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you could feel with somebody who's got something repressed, who
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has his own issues, who has his own obsession bins,
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you could feel him poking the bear, if that makes sense.
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Okay, So between Tammy and Andrea, yes, we now know
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it is a older person, a man, So an older
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man who uses double spaces.
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Yeah, very specific, which didn't it narrowed it down to
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one person in the house, but obviously we couldn't be
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like one hundred percent sure.
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But then we get a smoking gun.
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Mm hmmm.
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So there's an email that comes from Natasha, one of
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the characters that he's playing, and he slips up and
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reveals a big clue. So I think we have that.
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Do you see that email, Monica?
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I do.
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I'm going to read it.
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Okay, another email from Natasha subject what is happening?
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Elizabeth would love to know?
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I just visited your site as confused as I am
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about all of Mayan Andrew's comments being removed. I am
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honestly a bit hurt that you seem to have removed
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all of Beth's as well. That feels disrespectful. Is it
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that you just want us to stop messaging you about
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Beth's death? We can do that. We just wanted to
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make sure you knew. Is this about some IP address shit?
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I didn't know that Beth and us shared an IP
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address until I looked into it.
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Yes, here it is.
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This is where this is where our web person really
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cracks the code.
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Don't we have Andrea kind of explaining that to us
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when we talked to her recently.
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Yes, yes, I have that.
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So Andrea, Yes, you are our digital guru. Will you
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just walk us through your experience of the story.
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Sure, I'll say I went through my notes this morning
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and I was getting teary eyed how upsetting it was.
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It was very manipulative, this person, this catfesh and had
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to me all of those red flags of like abuse, scam,
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like the urgency that this person created with you. So
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I have the specifics of these horrible messages that you
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were getting via email.
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I also want to make sure Andrea, if you can
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speak to I think a really big turning point was
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the big piece of evidence that we were even able
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to share with the authorities. That really was like, this
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is the guy.
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Totally so once the real person knew that you were suspicious,
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I have an email from Natasha to you, Elizabeth, and
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it says, is this about some IP address?
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Shit?
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I didn't know that Beth and us shared an IP
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address until I looked into it trying to figure this out.
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I'm not surprised. Beth lives in the apartment next door.
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We agreed to fib about not knowing each other so
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that we could all talk a little more freely. Beth
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has had very scary experiences with stalkers, and they mentioned
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like having barbecues and listening to totally married together. But
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once you were onto him with the IP addresses, he writes,
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from either Natasha or Anders if you want us to
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prove something, We're going to Europe tomorrow. I can send
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you messages from there. But of course the real person
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was traveling to Europe within the next couple of days
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of that message. He was speaking at a specific event
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that was publicized.
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Yes, and I remember you sending me his Facebook, like
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his professional Facebook page. That's like he's speaking at this event, right.
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Hey, so the IP address matched with the city.
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Where he was speaking exactly. Oh boy. So then after
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that there was another location tag that happened with him,
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so we knew for sure it was him. I was
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shocked to realize that he has a not only a
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full time job, they have a career. That weren't speaking
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all over the world. This person has a fully formed life,
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quite an impressive slate of things. And I the sheer
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volume of emails and messages and comments we had received,
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and then also the sheer volume of messages emails to
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come at me in the next little bit here until
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we finally found a way to stop this was shocking.
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Like that was another shift of like, oh, like, now
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I know who it is, which in some way has
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made it way creepier.
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I will say I was relieved that he does have
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a life, and he has things at stake, and he's traveling.
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I mean my main concern is this person going to
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come turn us into a flesh dress. Yeah.
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So I'm going to read a couple of the emails
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that you were getting harassed with a ton of emails
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that you guys were not responding to you were just
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letting them sort of flow in coming from Beth's email. Elizabeth,
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Right now, I'm just furious at the unfairness of Beth's death.
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It's hitting me so hard that I actually regret bringing
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my son into this world. Of all the responses to
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my sister's death, yours has stuck with me. I don't
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know what involvement Beth had with your podcaster site. I
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don't care. All I know is that she thought highly
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enough of you to give you an amount of money.
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I promise she never spent on herself, and now you
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seemly don't give a damn that she's dead. If there's
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a reason on this end that you're not responding, it
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probably could have been cleared up with a single phone
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call or email. You couldn't be bothered. If there's a
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reason on and that you're actively ignoring these messages, it
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had better be a damn good one. I don't want
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any more contact with you. I just want you to
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keep in mind that a young woman reached out to
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you at her most vulnerable and depressed. She thought so
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highly of you, and now you're completely ignoring her death.
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If you don't have a damn good excuse. I sincerely
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hope that thought haunts you to your grave.
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Well evil, Yeah, that one makes me like so angry.
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This just like triggered something in me because I will say,
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the three of us like recording all these episodes, listening
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to the bath emails, maybe sometimes we seemed insensitive if
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we're like giggling a little bit, but it is kind
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of humorous looking back on it and being like this
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is so outrageous. But what maybe people listening to this
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don't know is that I already shared this. My parents
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had died when I was younger. Grief is really traumatizing
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to me. And for this person to have built a
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relationship and then this death, yeah, triggering a grief response
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in me was like so calculated and I'm just gonna say,
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kind of cruel like it, you know, and then to
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harp on that through these incoming emails, use.
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It, using it as like leverage to get you because
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this person knows you, they know you, and so they
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know what like in a relationship when that person knows
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what to say to hurt you the most. In a
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bizarre way, Yeah, this person was doing that. Now do
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you think this affected like the family, like, were you
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guys like, I mean not not, but the whole energy
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of the house.
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Sure, it was just so intense. I didn't sleep. Yeah,
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I contemplated us going to stay in a hotel. I was.
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You know, we're just little podcasters. You know, we're living
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in a tiny little house with no fencer. It would
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be so easy to access us at the time. Now
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we're in a fortress then, I'm just kidding, but yeah,
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so it definitely messed with the vibes for sure.
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It's scary. I understand parasocial relationships, which are the one sided,
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imaginary relationships we form with celebrities and fictional characters by
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consuming media about Mmm, I understand them. I had them
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with you guys.
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No, But the difference is he.
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Was getting something actually back from you because of the emails.
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On the show. Yeah.
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So the parasocial relationship is completely in your head. I
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mean it is imaginary. You feel like you know the
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person only based on what you're consuming, but you don't
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have contact. But that Yes, I think many people can relate,
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especially now with so many podcasts, which is such an
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intimate medium social media where you you know what people
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ate yesterday, right, yeah, I mean the ability to form
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these relationships is so easy, it's scary. Yeah, this is
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at the heart of this whole thing. Yes, and and
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I guess I was just saying, in some ways, I
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get it.
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I get how from.
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Not in this extreme you feel violated when you find
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out you've been lied to by these people, which is
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also funny because it's almost a two way street of trust,
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like they think they know you and they want to
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be a part of your life. In some ways, when
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we're upset that they've lied, we were engaging in that
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same relationship of how how could someone lie to us?
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If it was a stranger off the street, I wouldn't
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give a sh if someone died, But this is like
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a fan or a person who right.
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Well, that's that's what ultimately happened, was this person. I mean,
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what I was upset about was having been manipulated in
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such kind of specific to me ways. Also, like I was,
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I looked at porn, there was like a sexual element
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to it. And when we get to the Natasha Anders thing,
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that kind of plays out.
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More and in this person's motive, I think I feel
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like we can all sort of agree they didn't want
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to be caught that they had had this relationship with you,
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that you didn't know the nature of it. Right, they're
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different characters going back and forth. This could have gone
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on for years and years, right, what's so crazy and
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creepy about it? Had we not uncovered the truth, had
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it not all fallen apart, we don't know. You may
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have never known this, which is what's so absurd. It's
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so much more sinister because of the amount that had
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already been done, like the sheer level of ye.
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Also, what was his end game? I feel there's also
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an element of wanting, a wanting to some of the spotlight. Sure, right,
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like now's my moment. That's another thing I would like
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to know without asking this person. Was this calculated from
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the beginning, or was it a slippery slope and he
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just rode the twists and turns as they came.
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And was he himself surprised by where it was or
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was he thrilled by where it's like.
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This idiot, Oh my god, she's just so.
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I like to believe or I believe that they really
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came to enjoy the power of it. I think that
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that is what was the biggest thing to them. And
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we see that in them wanting to have the comments
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put back on the site, and just the amount of
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like puppeteering that they were doing of you behind the
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scenes and also in the public of getting their questions
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answered on our show. I think they felt that they
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had so much power. They were like the silent producer
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of our show.
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Yeah, and maybe again, we don't know about this person's life.
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I mean, we know some things, but maybe he feels
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so out of control in his life that this was
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like the strand this was the piece that he felt
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he could have some control over, which is why he
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spent so much energy and time.
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And isn't there like there's also this like potential weird,
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disappointing world where he's just like, I don't know, it's
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like kind of fun, do you know, doesn't like I
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really think that could be or on that complete opposite
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spectrum or no, we're talking like crazy multiple persons now,
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but there is this other world. I was like, Yeah,
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I don't know, I just like doing it.
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No, I think he loves That would be honestly the
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most upsetting. I want him to at least care, Yeah,
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will you? I think that's a good still want And
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I want him to find me attractive? So what will
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you keep reading? Because I think that the upcoming emails
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might put that idea to bed.
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Okay, the subject is this really hurts Elizabeth. I thought
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I was done speaking with you, But Natasha, Beth's neighbor
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and friend. That's neighbor now adjusted to yeah, like, oh yeah,
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I said that she's.
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In four C. Beth was in five a.
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Good friend formerly. I guess just told me that you'd
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removed all of Beth's comments from your site. As her brother,
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I can't express how much that hurts me. I haven't
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even read them, but those comments were some of my
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sister's last contributions to this world. I started crying when
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Natasha told me you to race them. That just doesn't
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seem right. If there's a reason for all of your actions,
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please just tell me. I'm sorry that my last message
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was so angry. That's passing has really destroyed me.
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Yeah. Quite a different tune from his previous message. Now
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he's worried about the comments on the website.
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He's trying different tactics for sure. PS for Natasha, Elizabeth,
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if you're the good person I think you are, Oh
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my god. They're doing everything they can if you're the
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good person I think you are, you need to deal
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with Beth's brothers, just for his sake, please contact him somehow.
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He is clearly going out of his mind at the
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thought that his sister, who clearly loved you, is having
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some of her last words deleted. I admit i'd have
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the same reaction. Please. She ends a lot of these
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with please exclamation.
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And also all baiting me to call this number.
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Did either of you ever call the number?
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No, we didn't, but somebody else does later.
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Okay, So.
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Now he has his characters living together in an apartment complex.
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Oh my gosh, she's really working hard.
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Yeah.
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And Natasha's emails become rapid fire and like crazy.
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Yes. Now all of a sudden, she's hanging out with
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best brother Jason all the time, they're paling it up.
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Oh my, okay, I'm going to read a couple of
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Natasha's emails at this point that have gotten a little unhinged.
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Great Elizabeth sitting down and talking with Beth's brother Jason,
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who was a complete wreck. He told us that Beth
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donated one thousand dollars to you just because she liked you.
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Is that true? I would say that if you don't
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think my late friend's comments are worthy of your sight,
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and you owe it to her to give that money back,
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but you can't because Beth is dead. Please fix this
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five of these days from the same day.
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What if, like the day before this drops, we send
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him a thousand dollars to that PayPal address, well with
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just a winkie emoji.
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We can't because it comes from I am very grateful.
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I mean not that you couldn't have found where we
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lived before, but like when you send it's linked to
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an address. And at the time, I had written to
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Beth and said, was this a typo? I can send
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you back nine hundred dollars if you only meant a
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hundred Yeah, And she was like no, and thank god,
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because I would have just served up our address on
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a silver platter. Oh yeah, my god. So for that
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I am grateful.
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We're also grateful for the thousand dollars.
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Yes, let's be honest, we didn't need.
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It, Natasha, If this is reaching an intern instead of Elizabeth,
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my friend gave her literally one thousand dollars, and I'm
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the only one who's still looking out for her. If
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you have any conscience at all, you could at least
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get Elizabeth to read my messages. And you didn't feel
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the impulse to say, we know what's going on, we
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know who you are. Stop.
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No, we had those fantasies for sure.
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I mean I.
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Almost called that number because I just wanted to be like,
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where is this going? Is that?
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Also did you guys feel And I don't think you
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should feel this way, but I could see myself feeling
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duped and embarrassed and well, this whole hound could how
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could I possibly like I'm dumb?
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Well, Monica, listen, you mean I'm dumb but.
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Dandy.
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And I on the drive home from our last recording,
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I was like, I'm a little worried that I'm just
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coming across as the world's biggest idiot because and I
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know when we go back through the Natasha emails, that's
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going to become even more apparent. And also like, my
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ego is stroked, and this whole thing is a little
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little bit humiliating, but I also think it goes to
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show how, you know, I'm a relatively intelligent person. I
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work and stuff, I'm functioning and contribute to society. Yeah,
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and I got so duped not only by Beth but
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by Natasha by Anders by Frank, you know the list
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goes on, Yes, it might.
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Yeah. My takeaway trying to like console you after last
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the last recording was diving into these emails in that
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and I think I mentioned this before. I am in
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awe sort of of the craft of some of them.
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So yeah, I don't think so. I think there's probably
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a few outlier emails that in hindsight will look ridiculous. Yeah,
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but for the most part, it's like pretty crazy.
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I hope that this podcast shows it could be anyone.
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It could have been any of us. Okay, getting back
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into these emails.
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This one's from Natasha, Yeah, this one's This one's insane.
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I just noticed that, in addition to BET's anders and
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my comments being removed from your site, that quote asshat
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Frank's were as well. This puzzle me since I thought
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you were making some mistakes based on the fact that
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we shared a network. But if that theory is correct,
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is Frank actually named Francisco?
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What she's trying to now justify the fact that Frank
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shares a knifee ry with them?
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I see, But if that theory is correct, is Frank
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actually named Francisco? We have a group of people in
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our apartment who have listened to Totally Married Together a
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few times while we barbecue.
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What what a wonderful apartment complex for our podcast?
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I know it's the It's like the Mothership. Oh my god.
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Francisco is an older man who has attended perhaps twice.
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If you are making a mistake involving a shared IP address,
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I assume that France would share it as well. Since
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he is in our building too. I can imagine him
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making Frank's comments. Sad as it is to think that
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if this is what is happening, it is truly sad.
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I've been recommending your podcast to many of the couples
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in our building. If they're listening and commenting have negatively
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affected BET's kates in some way, it is so incredibly unjust.
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I'm getting the feeling that you just don't care what
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the truth is. But I have to stand up for Beth.
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I don't know what you talked about together, so perhaps
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she said something offensive or untrue, but I know she
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clearly felt a lot of love for you, Elizabeth. And
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I'm not saying that one thousand dollars should buy your friendship,
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but it should be enough for you to give these
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messages a chance.
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This is the part where I'm disappointed in him, you know,
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like the barbecue Francisco, Like, that's dumb. Do you think
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we like? You put in a year and a half
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of all the good stuff, and you're gonna let it
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all go down the drain with these moves. Do better?
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Hey, do better? Do better?
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Okay, but the insanity does not even stop there. There
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are many more emails.
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Oh my gosh, Well, I think let's jump ahead to
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an email actually that you sent Elizabeth to Andrea about
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really how.
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To make this all go away? What does it say?
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So the update is that my friend's security person said
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that I absolutely need to file a police report, so
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I'm in the process. And the detective said that under
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no circumstances should I respond to anything, just to ignore
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everything and act as though I have completely moved on,
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because this is all about manipulation and control, and even
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if I respond negatively, that's what he craves. Probably especially
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he just wants to know that he has disrupted my life.
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I'm so glad we haven't been responding.
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Yeah. So we have some dear friends who have a
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special security person.
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Right, and they put us in touch with the LAPD
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Department of Cybercrimes.
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There was enough content to warrant it being a harassment.
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Yes, yeah, there were a couple threats that the detective
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pointed out in an e that was enough. I remember
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how he phrased it, was like, listen, I have enough
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to get the local PD involved and legitimately like get
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a warrant and seize computers and stuff. And Elizabeth express
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like that makes us a little uncomfortable. We don't want
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to do that. He said, from my experience, usually in
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these cases, people don't show up physically because we're so
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afraid that this person is gonna knock knock at the door. Yeah,
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but he's like, if you don't want to press charges,
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do I have your blessing to call him, and basically
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told us like I'll scare the shit out of him.
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And so at the time I was like, I do
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not want to ruin this person's life. I've already ruined
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their work. No, I'm just kidding, but truly, I just
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want him to stop. And my hope would be this
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sort of intervention from a detective would make him stop
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this and any future inclinations. He had right to do
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this sort of thing to people.
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Because we don't know. We don't know if you're the
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only We want you to be the only one, but
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we don't know.
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Well, now, having done more research into this person, yeah,
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I would bet that we were not the only ones.
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And we are not the only ones, I hope, so
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I'd like to I don't want to take that from you,
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I know.
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So let's hop back and let's let's hear a couple
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more emails that are showing just how much he is spiraling.
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Okay, say get wild, last.
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Attempts, all caps. Please, if you have any sense of decency,
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you will give this message to Elizabeth. It concerns my
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friend who gave her a huge amount of money, and
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it will be my last message to her. The least
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she could do is read it. Elizabeth. I'm so frustrated
494
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and sad. The lack of response to Beth's death can
495
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only mean two things. One that you just don't give
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a shit that this girl you've corresponded with is dead,
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or two that you think some part of the story
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is untrue. I think highly enough of you to assume
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that it's not the first option. I don't know what
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would make you distrustful of our little group, me, Andrews,
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00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:17.319
and Beth. Beyond the fact that I did this go on,
502
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beyond the fact that I didn't mention that Beth and
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I knew each other already and live next door. But
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I thought Beth would mention that if she were comfortable
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she knew other people in our apartment listened to totally
506
00:29:28.519 --> 00:29:31.160
Mary because I got them too, So specifying that she's
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a former model living next to a Norwegian couple would
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probably be saying too much. If other people in our
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apartment building were commenting as well, it's news to me,
510
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:42.559
but we would all be on the same network. I
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00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:44.960
can't verify everything Beth talked to you about because I
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don't know what she said knowing her. If she said
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anything untrue, it was because of her extreme paranoia. This
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is what I know with one hundred percent certainty that
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00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:56.799
my friend Beth was the former model she described in
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her first message to you, that she not only respected you,
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but I felt a deep love and appreciation for you.
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That she gave you a thousand dollars she didn't owe you.
519
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That she was engaged and then dumped by her fiance.
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She died at the age of twenty five. These things
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are all true. I swear on my life and the
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lives of my unborn children.
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God.
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If you still don't believe that, think about these things
525
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:20.519
for a second. What did Beth have to gain by
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giving you any money, let alone so much? What did
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I have to gain months ago when I introduced myself
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to you by saying I had a crush on you?
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00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:31.319
Great question? What did I have to gain by trying
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00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:32.880
to explain my spiritual beliefs to you?
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Okay?
532
00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:37.079
Also, just jumping out really quick from the email. We're
533
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going to really get into that next week, the spiritual
534
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:44.240
beliefs element of all of this, because it is very relevant.
535
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:46.599
Yes it is. Okay, So back to the email.
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00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:49.880
Why would Beth's brother literally beg you to just call him?
537
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And what could he possibly be asking about if he
538
00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:54.720
weren't asking about Beth. Why would any of us make
539
00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:56.680
comments on your site and write you emails if we
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weren't who he said and didn't believe what we claimed.
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I'm dying to know.
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I know your action suggests that you not only doubt
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everything I'm saying, but that you're certain that these are
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00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:09.920
all lies. The thousand dollars alone should at least give
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00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:12.400
you pause. What kind of liar gives away one thousand
546
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:15.039
dollars to a stranger. This is the last time I'll
547
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:17.279
try to convince you of anything. BET's gone, so she
548
00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:19.400
doesn't give a shit if you slander her or believes
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00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:21.960
lies about her. Her brother was only ever seeking you
550
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:24.400
out to figure out what happened to his sister. He's
551
00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:26.599
now too busy laying her to rest to care about you.
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I'm the only one who still cares for you and
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00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:32.160
how you feel about me and Beth. But you evidently
554
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:34.640
don't trust me at all. You didn't even bother asking
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00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:37.319
me to explain something or answer a question. I don't know.
556
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:39.359
I don't know why I would seek the trust of
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someone who's evidently so quick to believe shitty things about me,
558
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:45.079
So I'm giving up. Beth's life was a succession of
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people she trusted making quick, ill informed judgments about her
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and abandoning her. I suppose I'm glad that she isn't
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here to feel that you had done the very same thing.
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00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:57.319
Neither I nor Andrews will ever write you again unsolicited
563
00:31:57.440 --> 00:31:59.680
or try to comment on your site. Feel free not
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to belie leave this message, but if you completely ignore it,
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I will have to admit that you're not the person
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I thought you were. I'm incredibly saddened by whatever has
567
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:09.000
happened here, but I've done everything I can.
568
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:12.759
Now did they stay to their word or do they
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follow up.
570
00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:15.880
Trying again?
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This is from Andersky, New Angle, same building, same barbecue, person,
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partner of Natasha. Just to remind everybody.
573
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:35.720
I know that Natasha promised we wouldn't write again. But
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much as I love my wife, she doesn't get to
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00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:41.480
make promises on my behalf. I'm writing from London. Check
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00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:44.240
the IP address if you think we're liars. Just to
577
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:47.079
say that my wife is hurting terribly for multiple reasons.
578
00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:50.039
Whatever is happening with totally lame is adding insult to injury.
579
00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:54.759
Somewhere somebody made a mistake. Oh my god, I don't
580
00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:56.839
know what you think has happened, so I can't really
581
00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:58.880
address it. I think my wife has gone into the
582
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:00.960
details of what she thinks the problem might be our
583
00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:03.319
neighbors also listening to your podcast and being on the
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00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:06.039
same network. I just want to say that Natasha has
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00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:08.880
tried to contribute so much to you, Elizabeth, both on
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the site and in correspondence. I know because I had
587
00:33:11.680 --> 00:33:15.880
to translate so much of it exclamation point. She didn't
588
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:17.880
do it for your show or to gain anything from you.
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My wife did that because she honestly cares about you
590
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:23.920
guys and the issues your podcast addresses. For her to
591
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:26.200
be cut out with no explanation is crushing her. I
592
00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:28.440
hate to be rude, but it's completely against the messages
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of totally married. There's a problem, and you've stopped communicating entirely. Please.
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I know we've asked us one hundred times by now,
595
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:39.079
but it's such a simple request. Please communicate with us
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at least once. We're in the process of moving back
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00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:44.519
to Norway. But I didn't think we'd be losing all
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00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:47.640
contact with you, Elizabeth. I'm a huge fan of you guys,
599
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but my wife and Beth I think, actually really loves
600
00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:52.279
you as a person. I'm sure she sees you as
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00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:54.680
some kind of kindred spirit. With all the things going
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00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:57.160
on for us right now, moving pregnancy, a funeral for
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a friend, seeming to have lost your friendship is just
604
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:03.799
drawing my wife. Because I think BET's brother asked, could
605
00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:05.279
you at least have the courtesy to tell us to
606
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:08.320
go fuck ourselves if that's how you feel please. This
607
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:11.119
just isn't right. And though I don't care what you
608
00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:13.159
think of me, I can't sit idle while I watched
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00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:15.760
my wife suffering and wondering how we offended you guys.
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00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:20.360
I didn't know they were pregnant. That was just news
611
00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:20.599
to me.
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Oh oh my god. For a second, I was like,
613
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:29.239
oh my god, they were totally forgot my god. Okay.
614
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:35.039
My last message? Who's this from Anders again? Elizabeth and Co?
615
00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:39.000
Finally? Is this maybe a shout out? Because I feel
616
00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:42.920
like I haven't this person never mentions my name. They're
617
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:47.280
asking about an intern. Isn't it possible I'm fielding the emails?
618
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:51.960
Couldn't someone try my email address? I'm easy to find, Like, oh, well,
619
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come on, I know.
620
00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:59.760
So rude is offensive? Obviously was in love with Elizabeth?
621
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:01.360
I mean that's yeah.
622
00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:04.840
Or he thought you would you wouldn't get doped so easily.
623
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:09.280
Well, these are the questions, right, Okay? My last message
624
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:11.840
from Andrew's Elizabeth and Co. I'm writing to you from
625
00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:13.639
Oslo or my wife and I are in the process
626
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:16.760
of moving again. Check the goddamn IP address. If you
627
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:19.199
don't believe we are who we say. This will be
628
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:21.559
my last message to you. Natasha and I have tried
629
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:23.800
every method to explain ourselves. I could even send you
630
00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:26.599
our passports and a photo of BET's corpse in her casket,
631
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:29.159
and at this point I don't think it would do
632
00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:30.000
any good.
633
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:31.079
Show us the body.
634
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:35.519
Oh my god. I would like to make one humble
635
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:38.039
and desperate request, though, Is there some way that BET's
636
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:39.960
comments on your site could be preserved?
637
00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:40.719
Wow?
638
00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:43.159
Whoa shit?
639
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:45.079
Oh my goh my god.
640
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:47.719
I don't mean that you have to post them, though
641
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:50.119
that would be nice. I mean that these comments are
642
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:52.880
some of BET's last contributions to the world. Simple as
643
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:55.320
they are. You may not believe that, but please, if
644
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:57.519
there's even the tiniest chance I'm telling the truth, you
645
00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:00.440
must submit that it's wrong to destroy them. Please give
646
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:02.199
me some way to copy them or send them to
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00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:04.800
Beth's brother. That is all I will ever ask of
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00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:06.880
you again. My wife is still hoping that you will
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00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:09.639
contact her, that she can fix anything that's bothering you,
650
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:11.880
and that you can go back to being friendly acquaintances.
651
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:14.760
I know that will never happen. Sadly, I introduced her
652
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:16.880
to your podcast, which she loved. She is hurting so
653
00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:19.360
much now though that I'm really regretting it. I'm going
654
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:20.880
to do you a courtesy that I wish you had
655
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:23.079
given my wife. I will say goodbye. We really do
656
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:24.440
wish you the best.
657
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:29.760
You know what's crazy, like hearing again how important the
658
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:32.639
comments are to him. He has all the emails, right,
659
00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:36.000
so I'm envisioning him like he has like a file
660
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:38.920
literally he's printed out all these He does have the
661
00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:40.320
book and that.
662
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:41.639
What Monica is holding right there.
663
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:45.480
Yes, and what's missing for him is these comments for
664
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:49.679
him to literally go back fondly and look at like
665
00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:52.400
it's really wild how important that is to him.
666
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:57.679
Creepy just had a thought he might fucking love that
667
00:36:57.679 --> 00:36:58.960
we're doing this podcast.
668
00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:01.920
I mean, this does up an ethical question that we
669
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:06.880
haven't really talked about yet, which is are we giving
670
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:10.119
a platform to someone we shouldn't be giving a platform too?
671
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:11.880
Right? Right?
672
00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:13.719
This is a big question.
673
00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:17.239
I know, it's it's it's a head scratcher.
674
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:19.039
Is it ethical what we're doing?
675
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:24.880
Yeah, because like he was writing this whole story and
676
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:28.199
now it's getting published by like a major.
677
00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:30.039
A major outlet.
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00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:33.719
I don't know if it's an ethical dilemma though, really,
679
00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:37.719
because it's our story to tell. He fucked with us.
680
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:41.920
Yeah, it's true, but it's it's almost like, is it
681
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:46.119
everything he ever wanted to have? This spotlight that we
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00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:46.840
are now.
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00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:50.800
Then we're just being nice, you know that ethical, But
684
00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:54.000
it's like reverse consequences. I mean, listen to how much
685
00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:59.159
he wanted to have this, you know, full tomb of
686
00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:03.320
his work, and now we're putting it out there. It's like, oh,
687
00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:05.800
not only are there no consequences for any of this,
688
00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:10.039
but also here's all of your dreams and hows coming true?
689
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:10.960
Right?
690
00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:11.639
It's weird.
691
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:14.559
Well, I mean it's like not to take it here,
692
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:16.719
but this is part of it. You know, the big
693
00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:22.519
conversation about if there's a mass shooting or something, is
694
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:27.800
it ethical or good to name the person or how
695
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:32.760
much should it be talked about because that's what they wanted, right, Well,
696
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:33.519
the fear.
697
00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:37.159
Is always that that has then inspired other people to
698
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:41.079
go do the same things, because the need for fame
699
00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:46.679
and attention is so strong. In this case, I challenge
700
00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:52.159
anyone else to try to no, no, no, not to us,
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00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:55.199
not to anyone. It just this seems like a very
702
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:59.280
unique individual. But maybe I'm wrong, Maybe you're wrong.
703
00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:06.639
I think this happens. Yeah, I mean I guess we're
704
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:09.000
gonna just keep doing it.
705
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:12.239
I know, I feel like I'm not gonna worry about that.
706
00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:15.960
To Andy's point, if this is a little cherry on
707
00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:19.440
top for him, then I guess, so be it good him.
708
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:24.400
So maybe to sort of cover our ethical basis or
709
00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:28.159
at least so I feel like justice is served, we
710
00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:32.840
make sure we change all the names in this podcast.
711
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:35.159
Yes, so we're not giving credit.
712
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:39.559
I want to do that for our safety on us
713
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:42.360
sort of like I have other motives for that than
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00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:43.679
the ethics of it.
715
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:46.039
Yeah, I get, Yeah, lots of reasons to do that,
716
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:47.599
Like how do you feel about that?
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00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:48.679
Uh?
718
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:53.400
I think that's really important and smart, honestly.
719
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:58.679
Ethics on all sides really because also what if we're wrong?
720
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:01.000
I mean, I don't think we're wrong about who this is,
721
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:03.639
but you know, I don't know what if we are,
722
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:06.000
So I think names should be changed.
723
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:07.880
Yeah, I agree.
724
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:10.280
Yeah, what are we doing?
725
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:10.719
Guys?
726
00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:15.239
Well, what are we even doing making this show?
727
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:19.239
I know I can't help like going back and listening
728
00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:22.880
to all of this, it's still just staying with me,
729
00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:28.599
and I have so many questions and the questions keep multiplying.
730
00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:31.719
What was this motherfucker's endgame.
731
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:32.239
I know.
732
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:34.280
I mean, what if you had called the number?
733
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:36.159
Well, the detective he did call.
734
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:39.559
The detective called the number and I'm curious if it
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was a number he had specifically for me to call,
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and so he answered, and I'm curious if he was
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surprised it was a male voice at the end. I'm
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curious if he actually believed it was truly an LP
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to detective, which it was, and it wasn't just andy
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with a mustache on, you know. But the detective then
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the feedback to me was that he kind of ponted
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off on his son who has who he claimed has
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like mental illness.
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But I guess he answered the pump from the detective
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as his real name.
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And I think he just said hello, and the detective said, Hi,
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this is Officer so and so from the LAPD. Is
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this so and so? And he said yeah, and hopefully
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was kind of shitting his pants, right And anyway, the
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call was successful in that his emails and the harassment
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totally stopped at that moment in time, and the detective
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felt confident that he got through to him, although he
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did not take full ownership of it in any way whatsoever.
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Right, there's still all these questions around it.
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Yes, we're in the middle.
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Of recording this podcast. We're in the middle of it.
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We don't really know for sure how it ends, and
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we are going to go on a quest to find
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out some of these answers.
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