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Straw media. This holliday season is
going to look a lot stranger this year.
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As more people complete their online shopping
list from home, they become easy
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targets for those seeking to scam online
shoppers. So how can we shop online
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safely? Today we'll talk about how
to avoid online scamps. I'm Dr Elliot
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Hirsh. Welcome to below the surface. A few months ago, my wife
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got a call from a local number
claiming that if we didn't pay our water
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and power bill, they were going
to show off our electricity. Of course,
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we had to do this with visa
gift cards, and so they wanted
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us to buy the Visa cards and
then read the numbers to them. This
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didn't make any sense, of course, so she hung up and immediately called
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the real water and Power Company and
reported it, and the person who picked
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up the phone told her that there
have been a lot of older people who
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have fallen for the scam recently,
and I've lost hundreds of dollars. I
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personally get calls all the time.
They are prerecorded messages threatening all sorts of
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schemes, ranging from law enforcement issues
or mail fraud type things. They've been
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around for a long time. You
would think that law enforcement will be able
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to shut them down, but it's
not that simple. Today we'll talk to
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Ashton, being an art Kulik CEOS
or children media, about these scams and
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how to avoid them. Ashton and
art, welcome to below the surface.
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How you do and thanks happening.
Thank you for having us. My pleasure.
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Guys. Thank you. Thank you
both for I taking the time to
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talk to me. I thought we
would start just kind of you could tell
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me a little bit. What is
trilogy media? Who are you guys?
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Trilogy Media? You could it's a
number of things you could say right now.
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This is after them. This is
our yes, we got truly do
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media. Start Care. We're we're
two dreamers that move from very different parts
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of the world, very different backgrounds, but our paths crossed. She's about
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a decade ago here in Los Angeles. You know me coming from northern Nevada
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and being an aspiring actor and filmmaker
wanting to make my own content and work
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for myself, and you know our
can speak to to his background. But
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we came together to create content and
we kind of got launched into this scam
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busting realm. About five or six
years after first meeting with an accidental video
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that went crazy viral, and after
doing some research and in some proaction,
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I guess you could say we found
that it was the perfect marriage of us
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wanting to be who we are and
create content true to our hearts and also
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be able to do something that's good
for the society and for world and raising
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awareness about something that's really important.
Being a filmmaker's being content creators, being
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in practical jokers with a lot of
positivt, with a lot of comedy,
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but, like my brother just said, sorting, you know, like a
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public service. It's busting scammers,
fighting all these scams that happening nowadays,
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starting from irs, social security debt
support, Microsoft, almozone, name it
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all. Steve Millis checks right now, huge scam going on, and that's
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what are we doing right now,
and daily basis, streaming, every single
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day investigation videos and busting scammers,
interrupting the packages. So whatever we can
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do to us to cage by the
guys. Let's let's back it up a
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little bit. That, you know, getting into a scam busting business.
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That does not seem like a natural
segue for filmmakers aspiring actors. What was
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the you know what was the impetus
for this? It's, I assumed,
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they just wake up one day and
say, wow, I want to start
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busting online scammers. Yeah, it's
definitely not the traditional route. You would
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think no, but yes, we
aren't. And I had already known each
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other and been working together for for
a number of years. It was two
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thousand and sixteen that we really faced
a catalyst. We had already opened trilogy
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media, created as a production company
for the for the sake of wanting to
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create content for a comedic stuff,
create films and do what we wanted to
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do. And any we've been doing
that. Yeah, it was very shortly
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after that that we made a viral
video on accident. I myself was getting
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inundated with those those robot calls that
come to your phone, you know,
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tell you that the money to the
IRS. You know, I was getting
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so many of those and because of
the word and showing them to them to
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art saying, you know, like
this is happening, I know it's a
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scam, but it's just it's coming
in so much so I was like,
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you know what, I'm just gonna
have some fun, answer the call,
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mess with the guy. Maybe they'll
stop calling me. That was real.
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Maybe I'll have a funny video to
show my friends. That was my entire
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goal, trends and family. And
what I expected to be a two or
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three minute video ended up being an
almost an hour long call with this scamra
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and did ended in a very vulgar, loud explosion of this guy with and
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he was I rate that I wasted
so much of his time that he threatened
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me, he took responsibility for eleven
I mean it was unbelievable. And so
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this video was posted and up till
now has been viewed over two hundred and
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fifty million times. Yea. And
so we took that new found attention and
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realize, you know what, this
is a huge problem, these scams,
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and we're like, why don't we
do what we already know how to do,
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which is make engaging content pivoted into
something that people are really responding to
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and something we already have traction with, and just see what happens? And
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we did and we ran with the
Youtube Channel. It resonated, it grew
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and the rest is kind of history. Given work with law enforcement, the
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FBI or anything like that, I
we, you know, some nut sometimes
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the the the investigation that we do
as a private you know, like he
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toobers, or privately independent, you
know, like filmakers. When we find
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a bad guy, we would call
police. So police would be cold on
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Oz right. And unfortunately we do
not work with prior with FBI or police,
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so somebody else low enforcements. But
we run into a problem quite often
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because we are what we call scam
daters, and basically what that means is
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we pretend to be a victim so
that we can string along a scammer,
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making them think they're about to hit
a payday. And it serves a few
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purposes. One, it's entertaining because, especially the way we do it's a
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little outlandish, but it's fine.
Number two, it lets the scam play
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out on camera, and I'll we
do so many live streams, so it
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plays out live for people to be
educated on how the scams work and what
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is tree and what the triggers are. And number three, it wastes the
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scammers time, so it's less time
they're spending actually stealing from real victims.
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But the only problem is that,
since we are not real victims, were
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only pretending to be, we run
we hit a road block every time we
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get law enforcement involved because we're not
real victims. We didn't actually lose money,
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we didn't actually get stolen from.
We only let them up to the
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point of them attempting fraud, even
though it wasn't successful. And it can't
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tell you how many times we've actually
encountered law enforcement with some kind of a
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bust, but they say, well, you didn't actually lose money, you're
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not actually a victim, there's nothing
to prosecute. So say yeah, so
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our best at our best mission here. I mean of course we want to
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put people behind bars, but we're
not cops. We're here to raise awareness,
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entertain people and in exposed as much
as we can be, you know,
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citizen journalists. If you well die. We we discovered recently we actually
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the collaboration in s camemera payback another
awesome Youtuber who's actually cybersecurity guy who's can,
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you know, tracks cameras all the
way overseas and see what's going on
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their phones, you know, like
see like everything. So we created a
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new show that's called scammed and literally
we found out that here in America plenty
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of like, I don't know how
many, but plenty of scammers locally here
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scamming elderly people, any people are
receiving like cash mules, you know,
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like making victims send a package,
put cash on the box and deliver and
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pick up. So recently we start
interrupting those packages, seeing that dark side
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of that basement that never been open
before. And and again we're running into
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the same problem, you know,
like we will send that fake package and
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scammeras things that is going to get
delivered, you know, Fiftyzero, Hundred
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Tho three thousand dollars. But you
know, it's it's it's what pieces me
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off, especially coming to the beautiful
country America, when I see how many
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bad people finding these loops, fighting
those arrows in in law and they breaking
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law and they know that that they
can get away with the murder without,
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you know, scamming people. Sure, and it's a crazable untruckable. So
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it's a lot of you know,
Bumpson and you know like and on on
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those roads, but we doing what
we can. You know, it's funny.
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I remember my GRANDPA. He was, yeah, uses early s.
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He was pretty with it. I'm
were going into his medicine cabinet one day
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and I was in med school at
the time, and so I was curious
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what medications he was taking. I
opened the cabin and hit all these things
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in there that we're just I know
he got them online and and and you
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said that were interacting with his like
high blood pressure medication, is kidney medication?
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Things he was ey. Say,
GRANDPA, why are you buying all
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the stuff? And he said yeah, I remember said he's. I saw
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it ad online and I called and
you know, they said I needed all
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these things, so I buy.
I said Granville's are dangerous, and so
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I either throwing it off and then
whatever his house. Like two weeks later
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he bought all more stuff again,
these these yeah, I mean that's that's
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a whole nother realm of something that
we don't need, mind anything, as
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you probably know even more about that
than we do. But it's we it
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all boils down to the same thing. You know, these scammers or these
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frogsters or whatever it is are,
are looking to instill fear. They're looking
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their master manipulators and they will,
they will use your fear and your everything
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against you, especially these days with
this pandemic and everyone spoke freaked out about
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not being able to get work and
getting stimulus money and getting hacked and the
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millions of things that go with especially
those popops that coming from, you know,
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like from Microsoft, up from Apple, and you like hey, you
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got a pop up. You will
google something, right, and you spelled,
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we spelled like Lujie, like website
at target, to Walmart, and
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immediately leads you to a pop up
on your computer that it says cold,
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these number to free you know,
like and especially being elderly person, you
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know, like you, you trusting, you kind, you innocent, and
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you click on that popop and you
think you have virus and you called that
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number, and that number it's hell
already set up for goal center does gonna,
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you know, remotely access to your
computer and and it's eat, wipe
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all uniformation, get your viruses,
wipe your bank information. So it's it's
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crazy. What happening nowadays cyber security
and cyber hacking. It's that he's no
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more freaking the Russian and they tell
in Muffy, you know, those got
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mother got fathers, you know,
movies. It's still there somewhere. But
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cyber security, this is a national, national problem. So if it's not,
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if it's not the Russian mafia and
or troll farms in China or whatever.
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Who are the people who are pulling
off these scamps? They're all over
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the world and could be a Barista. It's and that's and that's one thing
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we've really learned as of late.
You know, he mentioned we we've had
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the opportunity to work with a lot
of collaborate with a lot of other youtubers
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that you know. I mean there's
there's a huge community of people scam dating
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and we all do it a different
way and that's what makes it really interesting.
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We can utilize each other skills.
You know, we used to just
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think that, oh, there,
it's all just robo calls and and stuff,
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calling from call centers in India,
you know, but then you know
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you are diving into the craigslist scams
and the dating scams and you get that
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you know a lot of people and
from Africa doing it. And now that
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we've really dived into a lot of
these tech scams with our with our collaborators,
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were there. There's a whole huge
network of people here in the United
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States facilitating it. People are sending
boxes of cash. You know that that
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they would out there. You know, old people are being tricked into thinking
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that they owe this money. They're
being sent to addresses all around the United
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States, even here locally in Los
Angeles, and that's where we have a
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recently hit a big surge in our
channel, and something that's ever been done
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before is going and finding out who
is collecting this money. You know,
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and and it's the network is huge
and this is happening everywhere, every single
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place to be down the street.
You know, it's it takes a unlimited
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amount of shapes and forms side,
I believe you know. And it's especially
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gift cards. Look what happening with
the GIEF cards when you know same stuff,
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you know, like they pretending to
be a government social security ir on
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Gift Card and they will tell you
go to Walmart, go to target by
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five Tho gief cars, Onezero GIEF
cards. You know, scritches in the
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back, read me in numbers,
and when you read those numbers they vanished
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as the wind. So it's crazy. They're just doing gift cards because it's
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not traceable and it's much easier to
do rather than like a bank account or
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Checker or something. It's a common
solution. Again, it depends on the
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type of scam, but the ones
that you find where they're they're posing as
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the government, and right now that
big one is the social security scam.
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So you'll get a robo call saying
that you are have an arrest warrant because
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there's been some identity theft under your
social security and ultimately they go through a
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whole script, but if you will
look to it boils down to them saying,
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you know, your social security is
going to be suspended, your bank
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accounts going to be wiped. So
for you to safeguard, quote unquote,
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to your money, you need to
go put it on electronic federal bonds,
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which are really just they they eventually
have you get gift cards, but they
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always have a different name for it
and then, yeah, as soon as
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you give them the gift card numbers
in, the money's gone and it's yeah,
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it's hard to trace, it's instantaneous
and it's a way that they can
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do it, you know, thousands
and thousands of times over, even if
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it's a little amounts of money,
and it can still be massively profitable.
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So when you guys are tracing who's
receiving like these boxes of cash or whatever
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you're sending as a box, what
are you finding out? Are they just
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going to like re immy. Can
you say they just go to random addresses,
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or is it like one address is
getting all of them? Well,
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what we're realizing is how tall this
tear structure is of people in Buyre me.
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And this, this specific one about
these packages, is as called a
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refund scam. So they'll call you
and pretend to be a big company like
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Microsoft or Amazon or Paypal, and
they'll put they'll tell you that they owe
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you a refund for security services or
whatever they make up, you know.
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But ultimately what they end up doing
is they manipulate your your the html on
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your computer to make it look like
they overpaid you. And so then they
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scare an old person into thinking,
oh my gosh, we overpaid you ten
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grand. You got to go to
your bank right now and send us that
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money. So they'll give you an
address and you're talking to somebody in India,
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but they're giving you an address that's, you know, could be like
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just distled it. Just today,
not to spoil a video, we have
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priman. We went to Dana Point
today. Oh, there was a package
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going to Dana point of collecting what
was supposedly five grands from one of you
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know obviously it's not a real victim
because we're just bating them. But we
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you know, and showed up and
we see and we find that it's students,
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it's immigrants, it's people that often
don't even really know what they're doing.
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They know it's wrong, but they
don't know how high up it goes
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and they don't know how to answer
our questions because of how wide the spreads.
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And it's really scary. Sometimes we
run into the bosses, sometimes students,
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but basically they collect those packages without
even knowing what inside. They getting
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paid her package even it's like,
you know, like if it's kipty grind
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package, they're going to get like
ten or fifteen percent and they just gonna
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either over ship it, you know, like shoot it internationally back to India,
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or they're gonna take that money.
If you or not a bottom feeder
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all the way in on the bottom
of chain or that criminals organization, they
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will deposit to their account and then
the buyer money to India. So it's
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crazy. Wow, there really is. Are you guys sitting them like glitter
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bombs or anything like that? Or
just maybe one day, you know,
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with this particular medio. Yeah,
that's that's always fun. You know really
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well are in this particular instance.
What we try to do is, you
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know, we just send a dummy
package, you know, with just magazines
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in it, and we just beat
the package there. You know, we
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have the address, we have the
tracking number of where supposed to go and
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then and then we just show up
an hour before it is delivery and we
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say hey, who are you,
what are you expecting here, and just
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ask questions. It's really all we
can do. You know, we can't
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we're not cops, you can't arrest
them, right, but we can certainly
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expose what they're doing and confront them
about their wrongdoings and and see what they
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have to say for it. And
if that's all we can do, that's
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that's what we're going to hit as
hard as we possible. Again they including
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sorry, go ahead. No,
they putting mules, those cash mules,
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in R and B and be apartments, homes to use somebody else address the
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baby, you know, like they
go to different CD you like today mule
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was from New York. The previous
you know, we went to San Francisco
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couple months ago, the mule was
from Los Angeles. So they will rend
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them a car, they will rend
them are andbnb to use that address.
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So it's that is a seating that
they've been going on for years and years
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and they know that nobody catch them. So they've been successfully stealing a lot
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of money. Are you guys every
are worried about any of that getting violent
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with you any think when you confront
them? HMM. Well, you know,
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there's a question, there's an always
there's always inherent risk and you know,
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we do as much planning and have
each other's back and are protected as
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we possibly can be. But at
the end of the day, we are
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we move. Both moved to this
country, especially this Russian guy over here
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who's, you know, supposedly fearless
and runs up on me a lot.
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You know, we don't like waiting
on people. It's like we're we're going
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to do what we got to do
because we believe it's right and you know,
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if we think we're in danger,
we were not going to do it,
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but we do. We take every
precaution we can. Everybody Watch each
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other back, as video was,
they are prayer. Go for it.
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Yeah, you know, we're we're
Ashton is behind me, behind astal is
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the other guy. I will knock
on the door pretending be a delivery guy
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and, you know, like and
the seat and I read situation and as
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soon as I mobrine move in with
them, you know, like getting that
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signature from these you know, Cash
Mule Ashton immediately approaching, but the camera
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and we start doing our you know, investigation, asking questions, you know,
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like and stuff like that. Wow, that's you know, it sounds
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it sounds well you're doing. I
mean sounds very dangerous. I mean,
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I want to yeah, I don't
want to. I don't want to like
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give any negative thoughts of it,
because it's really great work and the fact
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that you guys are doing this,
I mean it's it just set as such
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a hole in our law enforcement that
you guys actually have to be doing this.
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You know this. This should be
a massive ring that the FBI is
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get a bust of big scammers.
And I mean this sounds like a multi
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international organizations and it doesn't sound like
a mom and pop thing. No,
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no, it's worldwide, worldwide,
and it's a multibillion dollar industry. And
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Yeah, you know, hopefully one
day we'll have that kind of reach and
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thankfully, you know, we've have
gotten so much support from the people that
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follow our channel. That's great.
We have a lot of doors opening as
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far as bigger fish than us,
considering the things that we're doing on a
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much bigger platinum, much bigger platforms, you know. But all we can
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do is keep doing what we're right, be safe, as safe as we
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possibly can. And you know these
scammers are you know, most of them
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aren't stupid. You know they're there
to utilize every loophole they can find and
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they they you know, they popped
this through and you know, unfortunately it
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works for their favor. But you
know, we're there to cause as much
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interruption and headache for them as we
possibly can. That's good Skim Bait,
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escape bating, Skim bating community.
You got together and it was in the
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use actually a couple of months ago, like the summer, when, you
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know, like Austin bators unite together
with a Cybersequito, huge guys that actually
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able to shut down cold centers,
you know, like in India, and
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put American police and American FBI to
those law enforcements in India and literally do
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raids and shut down and put all
these billionaires, you know, who's making
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so much money scamming Canada, America, UK, Australia and and literally,
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you know, like, but again, you shutting down one call center,
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yeah, and another hand product.
Yeah, but the the they think that
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we found out because we we made
two cameras queet their jobs and we move
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them back to their families and we
will help them open business and start them
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fresh. Well, they chose to
do it. We showed you always exactly
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help them to exactly escape that are
like the criminal organization. What we found
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out from people who used to work
for that organization. They said, guys,
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police is on the payil government and
the pay will sheriod knows exactly what's
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going on. We actually getting protected
by police, because that's how much freaking
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money we making by scamming your marriage. Ye, is that is so scary.
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The problem is bigger that people can
even people can even think. Yeah,
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no, it's say that's not yeah, that's not the kind of thing
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that's going to be solved easily where
you yeah, yeah, but it goes
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all the way up to the top. Yeah, I'm sure there's government officials
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who are in in different countries,
and so it would take it would take
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a huge, huge international effort to
sound to shut down, and so it's
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what it sounds like to me.
Absolutely, but awareness is key and that's
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how you can help it fight,
even one grandmother at a time, just
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awareness and exposing and, you know, and one one bed at a time,
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one victim at a time. Let's
take a good break and when we
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come back we'll discuss how to make
sure your personal information is protected when online
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chopping. So I ask you guys
a question. Since the coronavirus step has
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been going on, I mean I
haven't gone shopping other than for groceries in
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like. I mean it's been six
months. I feel like everything I'm buying
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is through Amazon, which, yeah, me, on some level Amazon it's
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probably safe. But then if my
credit card, something got a hold my
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credit card and they were buying steff
through Amazon, unless they change the shipping
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address, I probably wouldn't know it's. Amazon does itemize, you know.
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I mean when you get your credit
card statements, how safe is it to
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actually have your credit card out there
on the Internet? Well, I mean
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it's just it's I mean, in
my opinion it's safe as you want it
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to be. It's never perfectly safe. You know, hackers are all over
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the place they're they're going you.
You can take as many precautions as you
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can. It's never going to flowly
fully, fully protect you. I mean
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I've just from a technological standpoint,
I always recommend people, you know,
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use a VPN when they're rousing and
shopping, just so it's not you know,
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your location and your bank details aren't
being on our a lot less susceptible
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to being stolen. Certainly being careful
about the sites you are entering your credit
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card in. I mean, you
know, sites like Amazon, the ones
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you recognize or are our reputable,
and paypal and stuff like that have a
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reputation for a reason. But from
the perspective that we come from, the
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ones you really got to watch out
for is when someone is soliciting you,
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because these scammers will pretend to be
these companies and they'll get very, very
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sneaky about how they do it.
You'll get an email from Amazon and it'll
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have the same letter head on your
email. It'll appear as if it's coming
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from Amazon. It'll have the same
credentials sometimes and it will say, Hey,
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your account has been hated. You
need to click this link and reset
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your password. But that link doesn't
go to Amazon. That link goes to
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the website that they want you to
go to. So they can not only
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get your Ip address in your banking
information, but they'll have you enter your
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password, and an elderly person won't
know any different. They'll put their password
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in and then, once the camera
has that been I'll help breaks loose for
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you. So you got to be
very careful when people are reaching out to
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you asking you for information, asking
you for your passwords or your credit card
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or or anything, especially the email
and especially via robocall or voicemail of any
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kind, because Amazon will never call
you and ask for your password and apple
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will never ask you for your password. So being very careful about people reaching
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out to you and just being aware. And that's way, when you got
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that email, you don't have to
reply. You actually come to go and
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Google, do real you know,
like applecom, and you can pull them
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and, like a will find a
person to talk to, find the manager
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or if somebody's claiming that he's doing
vicent. These we doing right now like
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couple, you know, like maybe
six months, I'll already these almozone,
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and it's exactly you. Like Ashton
just said, they will leave you a
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voicemail, even a voicemail that you
almost in prime account. God Hacked Alo.
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It's got suspicious activities and somebody's buying
iphone eleven five hundred dollars. And
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what do you want? To cancel
it? It was you or not?
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And you like yeah, that was
not me, let's cancel it, and
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that's called the process starts. They
get you, you know, like online
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to fill a publication, you know
that consolation fees and stuff, and boom
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and you literally in that Web,
like with the spider, like you know,
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like being that butterfly, that cannet. Even get out from that by
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that spider anymore. Yeah, it's
very smooth how it's done to where.
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That actually happened to me once.
I don't remember the context of the call,
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but it was something like that,
where they called and they said they
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called, and you know, I
generally pick up those calls just because what
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I mean the operating room. Sometimes
the nurse will pick it up, but
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when somebody calls I don't recognize a
number, could be a patient calling me,
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so I'll pick it up. And
I remember it was something along the
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lines of they said my credit card
been they are allerding me to fraudulent activity
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on my account and they start asking
me questions. Did you buy? This
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is mist I said no, I
didn't. They said, okay, great,
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we too, you know, canceled
you. I cancel? I said
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sure, and they said, okay, what's your account? Pastor Nice,
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I said, and obviously that got
my got my attention. I said,
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she you gotta read as yeah,
right. Unfortunately, not everyone, especially
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those that aren't a technical logically savvy, might not have that second thought,
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unfortunately. But the best advice we
can give with that stuff is just,
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you know, if anyone is ever
proactively reaching out to you to ask for
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information, even if they're claiming that
something was wrong, that was done,
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it's on you to disconnect that call
immediately and proactively yourself go and reach out
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to the institution that claiming to be
so if you're getting a call from your
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bank saying that there's stuff and hang
up and call your bank back directly,
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though, number you have not the
number they gave y'all. Google it fun
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number. Yeah, not the one
that they provide them. That, eam.
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Apple says you have a virus,
then don't call that number. Go
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to Google and get apples applecare number
and call them yourself and ask, you
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know, like just do the research
yourself to make sure you're connected with who
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you're who they're saying we really mean
to be. Yeah, now what if
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you with if you're not really paying
attention and you know you maybe you give
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up that information. You're like you
hang up the phone. You're like,
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Oh, I shouldn't have done that. What's what's your recourse if you realize
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you've been scammed? Well, it
depends a number of things that you know
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of what happened. If, for
any reason, you let them connect to
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your computer, that is a tragedy. You want to make sure you you
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change every turn off your computer and
change every password you can possibly think of.
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If it's a particular company that you
just gave Info to, like if
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it's apple and you gave them your
Apple Id and Password, then you're of
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course going to want to reset that
password and then call apple a level that
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them what happened, like a play
immediately. Guy Got Sign, someone got
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my past word. I want to
put extra level of security or if it's
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your credit card or anything, you
know. So proactively do what you can
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to change any security settings and inform
the real company of what happens, so
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that they can keep an eye out
for any additional fraud that might happen,
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you know, behind the scenes.
With with regards to the like you mentioned
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before, the websites online, is
there a way to know if there is
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one day is particularly safe, or
is it just the ones that you are
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familiar with, like, obviously Amazon
is going to be safe, but if
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is it generally the ones that reach
out to you that are not safe?
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Or how can you identify unsafe website? Well, I mean, the first
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thing to look out for. What
I do is just make sure that the
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website is ssll secure, you know, especially if you're going to be putting
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any personal information, and you should
never enter personal information into a site that
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is not as a cell security.
If you're on Google chrome, you can
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tell right away just by looking on
the top left of your browser. It'll
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tell you if it's if it's secure
or not. Well, how's it?
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Let's ty. Can you explain SSL
security and then then maybe the different levels
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of online security? Yeah, so
basically SSL. I'm actually looking for what
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it stands for. They don't actually
know secure, secure sockets layer. I
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just Google bad and full of closure
because, you know, I'm I don't
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claim to be a cyber security expert. I'm kind of more of a creative
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video editor guy, but you know, going into this stuff you have to
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kind of learn of what you're dealing
with. But when you look at the
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url of any website, you know, if you go to Amazon and you've
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look at the full you R L, it starts with https, mole and
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slash and if you're on chrome,
you'll notice there's a little picture of a
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padlock on the top left of the
browser. That's that's an SSL secure that
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means that that site has been secured
and approved by whatever hosting it's on to
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make sure that whatever personal information has
passed through it is done so safely.
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You'll notice a lot some sites that
are maybe not as reputable won't have that
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security and it won't have the ASS
it will just be http. And then
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the rest of the URL and chrome
will specifically tell you not secure on the
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top left. So that's one thing
to look out for, especially if you're
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shopping on a website that you're not
normally on. If it's not secure,
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don't put your personal information. It's
just a you know, a rule of
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thumb. Stick to what you know. You Know Amazon, you know target,
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you know all the ones that have
a reputation, you know. You
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know paypal. Stick with those,
especially now with such a huge uptick and
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online shopping. It's a lot of
one day website that you literally go the
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the's no reviews, that's no like, you know, yell nothing. So
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it's really good to do a resource
because you can find all these awesome prices,
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very like. You know a lot
of these counts, and you put
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you information and you start shopping and
next thing you know you'll already you already
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on the wrong page with their own
people and you'll create caught. Your debit
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card already's actually wiped out. Yeah, it's so it's so easy for that
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to happen to now. Every time
you google something, the next time you
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go back in to the computer there's
twenty different ads popping up for whatever you
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just googled. And so if you
want to click on that and you have
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no idea what these sites are,
you're clicking out, but it's just they're
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right there, they're in your face
the whole time. It's hard to get
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away from it. And that's just
the today's Day and age and that's not
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even indicative of a scam. That's
just that's just representative of how, how
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freaking connected you are, more than
you even realize. And that's that's one
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reason to use a VPN. At
least a VPN will hide your actual location
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and Ip address when you are browsing
the website or the Internet. When you're
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if you are going to a website, entering personal information or logging in,
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you know, use an incognito browser
and chrome. That way it's not going
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to like a store and you are
a in your browser history and souff.
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So there are certain precautions you can
do to prevent that kind of stuff,
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but at the end of the day, if you're online, you just got
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to be careful no matter what.
You're never up toy shop. You're never
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perfectly safe. You to do your
research. If you're ever unsure, have
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a red flag, it's probably for
a reason. So stop what you're doing,
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think about it, ask a family
member and especially important to tell our
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grandparents this. That's right. It's
ask somebody for help. Don't don't operate
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out of fear or haste, because
they, these scammers, especially when they're
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on the phone with you, want
you to make fast irrational decisions so that
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you'll pay them and you know it's
it never ends up well for you know
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for sure is there is being a
payment? is their method of online payment,
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that's say, for a more secure
than others? I mean, just
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from personal experience, I paypal is
pretty trustworthy. You know, they're pretty
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stingent about that stuff, especially if
you are sending money to like a person
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or a contractor, you know,
paying for goods or services. As one
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of the options when you're checking out
on paypal right, and I can,
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you can give money to friends and
family or you can give money for a
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good, goods or services, and
it's got sellar protection, which means that
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you know if there is any kind
of fraud that they're don't know, they're
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going to have your back more often
than not. So good. I use
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a venomom, Ben went by Multile
Huh. Both of goes well. And
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Benmo. You know, I wouldn't
recommend Venmo as much for like professional services.
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If you're just sending money to a
friend, yeah, it's between and
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you trust the recipient, then Venmo
seems to be pretty secure atly because I
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believe paypal owns Ben Moo. But
as far as like sending money to company
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or like an etc store or something
that you haven't ever done before. Paypals
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pretty secure. I'm very wary about
debit cards. I don't like using my
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debit card for certain things that I'm
not familiar with, especially at gas pumps
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anywhere that it might be skimmed.
You know, at least credit cards have
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some sort of consumer protection against fraud
and stuff, so I would use a
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credit card if it were something I
was unsure of. What's the what's the
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deal with a that gasp of skimmy
thing? We had a whole conversation the
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operating about this the other day and
I follow what they were saying. But
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there's there's something like if you put
a debit card into a machine at a
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00:32:30.750 --> 00:32:34.630
gas station paying your better off just
going inside rather than just swiping at the
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pump. Yeah, it's a it
could be a gas station pump, that
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can be an ATM, it can
be anywhere that you insert your card yourself
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and it's basically a little housing that
sits on top of the actual housing of
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where your card is inserted and it's
basically reading your card as you are inserting
509
00:32:50.420 --> 00:32:52.740
it, and it looks like it's
part of the ATM are, part of
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the gas pump, but it's really
something a hacker or some kind of a
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criminal has installed there that you can't
really see, as you know what you're
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looking for. And then when you
swipe your card and then you type your
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pin number, it's you know,
it's basically like you're handing them all your
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cash. You know they can access
your account and it's scary. So I
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don't use my debit card at the
pump, at least not the self service
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pomp. I'll go inside and and
do a prepay, you know. So
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stuff like that. You know,
just at the end of the day,
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it's about being aware, it's about
just knowing kind of knowledge. Now they're
519
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:25.759
these scams are taking shape because they're
changing constantly with the technology, with the
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00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:29.670
awareness, and just kind of know
what to look for, know what the
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red flyinges are, stay alert and
do the best you can. Well,
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I will tell you, guys,
after this conversation I am going to go
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lock myself in the closet. And
we don't want to scare you to we
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00:33:42.299 --> 00:33:45.180
still have to live alive, you
know. We just have to beat you
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00:33:45.220 --> 00:33:46.579
weak up, to be pay attention
and be careful, because at the end
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00:33:46.619 --> 00:33:50.700
of the day, this is our
full you know, like if you don't
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00:33:50.700 --> 00:33:52.900
know the rules, it means,
you know, like you just feel like
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an idiot. And that's why when
we we talk to victims, they like,
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00:33:58.450 --> 00:34:00.690
you know what, I don't want
to even tell my family members how
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00:34:00.970 --> 00:34:06.569
our shame I am after like,
you know, like being so naive and
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00:34:07.410 --> 00:34:09.320
and it's crazy, but we just
have to, you know, look out
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00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:13.639
for each other and if we have
anything, just to tell people and bring
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00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:15.199
awareness, and that's what will we
do. Yeah, well, that's that's
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00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:17.119
all you can do exactly. I
mean, you guys are you're out there.
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00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:21.960
You guys are putting yourselves out there
and doing this stuff. And you
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00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:24.630
before, before I talked to you, I really didn't know that this type
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of community existed. But it's actually
really positive to hear that there are people
538
00:34:29.789 --> 00:34:32.510
out there who are trying to help
and doing more than just kind of like
539
00:34:32.670 --> 00:34:36.590
bring awareness to them. You guys
are actually tracking people that I think that's
540
00:34:36.590 --> 00:34:39.699
pretty cool. Yeah, and it's
you know again, please, it looks
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back to who we want to be, which is make good, riveting content,
542
00:34:43.460 --> 00:34:45.940
and it just have it was a
perfect marriage of ideas and fields for
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us to be able to express herself, do the content we want, but
544
00:34:49.860 --> 00:34:52.820
also do something that is really important
that all people don't don't know about.
545
00:34:52.860 --> 00:34:57.690
You know, when you independent,
fielm make fielmaker creator, you you you
546
00:34:57.849 --> 00:35:00.449
have to go, you you have
to find finance, you have to go,
547
00:35:00.650 --> 00:35:02.170
and kee's a lot of blots that
you don't want to keys and you
548
00:35:02.369 --> 00:35:06.250
like literally, especially like, you
know, having Russian the ego, and
549
00:35:06.409 --> 00:35:07.679
we like that's on me. And
after them we you know, like we
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will, we will sell a show, we will shoot show, like our
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project, you know, it from
our own money or like we have,
552
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:19.360
you know, like whatever money we
can find, and then you take your
553
00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:22.510
freaking script, you go to the
studio or you go to the private investors
554
00:35:22.550 --> 00:35:25.269
and you have to put your vision
and somebody else had in. The first
555
00:35:25.309 --> 00:35:29.829
question is is like, okay,
I will give you this amount of money,
556
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but can you put my wife?
CAN YOU PUT my first trap?
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Can You put my sister? And
you like, God damn it, I
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don't want that, and that's it. But he's normal movie, because it's
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going to be like freaking yeah.
So we were always looking for that freetottle
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expression, you know, express ourselves
sure, being counting creator and being dependent,
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and you know what we need to
create, and that was a perfect
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marriage. Now that's really heat.
What's the what's the youtube channel or what's
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the best way for people who are
listening to to follow you guys on Youtube
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or Instagram, wherever your social media
is? We're all over the place,
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but the home base of our content
is youtube. So if you go to
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youtubecom trilogy media are just search trilogy, trilogy media. We got hundreds of
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videos. Our website is trilogy Media
Inkcom Imccom, where we have a live
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streaming calendar and a bunch of updates
of everything. Otherwise, Trilogy Media Inc
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on facebook and Instagram as well.
But yeah, for the latest videos and
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the shenanigans were up to, hit
up the Youtube Channel, subscribe and you
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00:36:28.349 --> 00:36:31.070
might see something that makes you laugh
and makes you learn something and hopefully doesn't
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00:36:31.070 --> 00:36:36.059
scare you into the closet exactly.
Well, thanks you, guys. I
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appreciate you coming on today's great conversation. Thanks Great, thanks for having you
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so much. Yeah, my place. One day we can meet together on
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yeah, absolutely. That's it for
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Straw media. This holliday season is
going to look a lot stranger this year.
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As more people complete their online shopping
list from home, they become easy
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targets for those seeking to scam online
shoppers. So how can we shop online
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safely? Today we'll talk about how
to avoid online scamps. I'm Dr Elliot
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Hirsh. Welcome to below the surface. A few months ago, my wife
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got a call from a local number
claiming that if we didn't pay our water
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and power bill, they were going
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we had to do this with visa
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the real water and Power Company and
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up the phone told her that there
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have fallen for the scam recently,
and I've lost hundreds of dollars. I
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personally get calls all the time.
They are prerecorded messages threatening all sorts of
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schemes, ranging from law enforcement issues
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around for a long time. You
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to shut them down, but it's
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Ashton, being an art Kulik CEOS
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how to avoid them. Ashton and
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How you do and thanks happening.
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Guys. Thank you. Thank you
both for I taking the time to
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talk to me. I thought we
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me a little bit. What is
trilogy media? Who are you guys?
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Trilogy Media? You could it's a
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This is after them. This is
our yes, we got truly do
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media. Start Care. We're we're
two dreamers that move from very different parts
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of the world, very different backgrounds, but our paths crossed. She's about
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a decade ago here in Los Angeles. You know me coming from northern Nevada
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for myself, and you know our
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we came together to create content and
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busting realm. About five or six
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that went crazy viral, and after
doing some research and in some proaction,
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I guess you could say we found
that it was the perfect marriage of us
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wanting to be who we are and
create content true to our hearts and also
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be able to do something that's good
for the society and for world and raising
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awareness about something that's really important.
Being a filmmaker's being content creators, being
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in practical jokers with a lot of
positivt, with a lot of comedy,
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but, like my brother just said, sorting, you know, like a
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public service. It's busting scammers,
fighting all these scams that happening nowadays,
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starting from irs, social security debt
support, Microsoft, almozone, name it
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all. Steve Millis checks right now, huge scam going on, and that's
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what are we doing right now,
and daily basis, streaming, every single
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day investigation videos and busting scammers,
interrupting the packages. So whatever we can
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do to us to cage by the
guys. Let's let's back it up a
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little bit. That, you know, getting into a scam busting business.
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That does not seem like a natural
segue for filmmakers aspiring actors. What was
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the you know what was the impetus
for this? It's, I assumed,
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they just wake up one day and
say, wow, I want to start
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busting online scammers. Yeah, it's
definitely not the traditional route. You would
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think no, but yes, we
aren't. And I had already known each
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other and been working together for for
a number of years. It was two
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thousand and sixteen that we really faced
a catalyst. We had already opened trilogy
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media, created as a production company
for the for the sake of wanting to
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create content for a comedic stuff,
create films and do what we wanted to
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do. And any we've been doing
that. Yeah, it was very shortly
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after that that we made a viral
video on accident. I myself was getting
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inundated with those those robot calls that
come to your phone, you know,
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tell you that the money to the
IRS. You know, I was getting
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so many of those and because of
the word and showing them to them to
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art saying, you know, like
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scam, but it's just it's coming
in so much so I was like,
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you know what, I'm just gonna
have some fun, answer the call,
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mess with the guy. Maybe they'll
stop calling me. That was real.
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Maybe I'll have a funny video to
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goal, trends and family. And
what I expected to be a two or
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three minute video ended up being an
almost an hour long call with this scamra
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and did ended in a very vulgar, loud explosion of this guy with and
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he was I rate that I wasted
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me, he took responsibility for eleven
I mean it was unbelievable. And so
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this video was posted and up till
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fifty million times. Yea. And
so we took that new found attention and
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realize, you know what, this
is a huge problem, these scams,
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and we're like, why don't we
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which is make engaging content pivoted into
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and something we already have traction with, and just see what happens? And
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we did and we ran with the
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and the rest is kind of history. Given work with law enforcement, the
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FBI or anything like that, I
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the the the investigation that we do
as a private you know, like he
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toobers, or privately independent, you
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a bad guy, we would call
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Oz right. And unfortunately we do
not work with prior with FBI or police,
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so somebody else low enforcements. But
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because we are what we call scam
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we pretend to be a victim so
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making them think they're about to hit
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purposes. One, it's entertaining because, especially the way we do it's a
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little outlandish, but it's fine.
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out on camera, and I'll we
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plays out live for people to be
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is tree and what the triggers are. And number three, it wastes the
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scammers time, so it's less time
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only pretending to be, we run
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get law enforcement involved because we're not
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we didn't actually get stolen from.
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point of them attempting fraud, even
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tell you how many times we've actually
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bust, but they say, well, you didn't actually lose money, you're
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not actually a victim, there's nothing
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our best at our best mission here. I mean of course we want to
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put people behind bars, but we're
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entertain people and in exposed as much
as we can be, you know,
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citizen journalists. If you well die. We we discovered recently we actually
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the collaboration in s camemera payback another
awesome Youtuber who's actually cybersecurity guy who's can,
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you know, tracks cameras all the
way overseas and see what's going on
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their phones, you know, like
see like everything. So we created a
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new show that's called scammed and literally
we found out that here in America plenty
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of like, I don't know how
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scamming elderly people, any people are
receiving like cash mules, you know,
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like making victims send a package,
put cash on the box and deliver and
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pick up. So recently we start
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of that basement that never been open
before. And and again we're running into
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the same problem, you know,
like we will send that fake package and
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scammeras things that is going to get
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Tho three thousand dollars. But you
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off, especially coming to the beautiful
country America, when I see how many
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bad people finding these loops, fighting
those arrows in in law and they breaking
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law and they know that that they
can get away with the murder without,
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you know, scamming people. Sure, and it's a crazable untruckable. So
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it's a lot of you know,
Bumpson and you know like and on on
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those roads, but we doing what
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I remember my GRANDPA. He was, yeah, uses early s.
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He was pretty with it. I'm
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and I was in med school at
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what medications he was taking. I
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in there that we're just I know
he got them online and and and you
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said that were interacting with his like
high blood pressure medication, is kidney medication?
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Things he was ey. Say,
GRANDPA, why are you buying all
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the stuff? And he said yeah, I remember said he's. I saw
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it ad online and I called and
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these things, so I buy.
I said Granville's are dangerous, and so
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I either throwing it off and then
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he bought all more stuff again,
these these yeah, I mean that's that's
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a whole nother realm of something that
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you probably know even more about that
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all boils down to the same thing. You know, these scammers or these
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frogsters or whatever it is are,
are looking to instill fear. They're looking
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their master manipulators and they will,
they will use your fear and your everything
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against you, especially these days with
this pandemic and everyone spoke freaked out about
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not being able to get work and
getting stimulus money and getting hacked and the
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millions of things that go with especially
those popops that coming from, you know,
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like from Microsoft, up from Apple, and you like hey, you
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got a pop up. You will
google something, right, and you spelled,
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we spelled like Lujie, like website
at target, to Walmart, and
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immediately leads you to a pop up
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these number to free you know,
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know, like you, you trusting, you kind, you innocent, and
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you click on that popop and you
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number, and that number it's hell
already set up for goal center does gonna,
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you know, remotely access to your
computer and and it's eat, wipe
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all uniformation, get your viruses,
wipe your bank information. So it's it's
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crazy. What happening nowadays cyber security
and cyber hacking. It's that he's no
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more freaking the Russian and they tell
in Muffy, you know, those got
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mother got fathers, you know,
movies. It's still there somewhere. But
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cyber security, this is a national, national problem. So if it's not,
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if it's not the Russian mafia and
or troll farms in China or whatever.
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the world and could be a Barista. It's and that's and that's one thing
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we've really learned as of late.
You know, he mentioned we we've had
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the opportunity to work with a lot
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that you know. I mean there's
there's a huge community of people scam dating
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and we all do it a different
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We can utilize each other skills.
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think that, oh, there,
it's all just robo calls and and stuff,
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calling from call centers in India,
you know, but then you know
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you are diving into the craigslist scams
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you know a lot of people and
from Africa doing it. And now that
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we've really dived into a lot of
these tech scams with our with our collaborators,
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were there. There's a whole huge
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States facilitating it. People are sending
boxes of cash. You know that that
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they would out there. You know, old people are being tricked into thinking
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that they owe this money. They're
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recently hit a big surge in our
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before is going and finding out who
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place to be down the street.
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amount of shapes and forms side,
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gift cards. Look what happening with
the GIEF cards when you know same stuff,
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you know, like they pretending to
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Gift Card and they will tell you
go to Walmart, go to target by
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five Tho gief cars, Onezero GIEF
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back, read me in numbers,
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as the wind. So it's crazy. They're just doing gift cards because it's
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not traceable and it's much easier to
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Checker or something. It's a common
solution. Again, it depends on the
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type of scam, but the ones
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the government, and right now that
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there's been some identity theft under your
social security and ultimately they go through a
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whole script, but if you will
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you know, your social security is
going to be suspended, your bank
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accounts going to be wiped. So
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to your money, you need to
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which are really just they they eventually
have you get gift cards, but they
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always have a different name for it
and then, yeah, as soon as
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you give them the gift card numbers
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it's hard to trace, it's instantaneous
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do it, you know, thousands
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it's a little amounts of money,
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you're sending as a box, what
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going to like re immy. Can
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what we're realizing is how tall this
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refund scam. So they'll call you
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Microsoft or Amazon or Paypal, and
they'll put they'll tell you that they owe
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your computer to make it look like
they overpaid you. And so then they
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scare an old person into thinking,
oh my gosh, we overpaid you ten
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grand. You got to go to
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money. So they'll give you an
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but they're giving you an address that's, you know, could be like
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just distled it. Just today,
not to spoil a video, we have
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priman. We went to Dana Point
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going to Dana point of collecting what
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know obviously it's not a real victim
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you know, and showed up and
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it's immigrants, it's people that often
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but basically they collect those packages without
even knowing what inside. They getting
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package, they're going to get like
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either over ship it, you know, like shoot it internationally back to India,
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will deposit to their account and then
the buyer money to India. So it's
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crazy. Wow, there really is. Are you guys sitting them like glitter
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bombs or anything like that? Or
just maybe one day, you know,
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with this particular medio. Yeah,
that's that's always fun. You know really
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well are in this particular instance.
What we try to do is, you
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know, we just send a dummy
package, you know, with just magazines
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in it, and we just beat
the package there. You know, we
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have the address, we have the
tracking number of where supposed to go and
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then and then we just show up
an hour before it is delivery and we
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say hey, who are you,
what are you expecting here, and just
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ask questions. It's really all we
can do. You know, we can't
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we're not cops, you can't arrest
them, right, but we can certainly
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expose what they're doing and confront them
about their wrongdoings and and see what they
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have to say for it. And
if that's all we can do, that's
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that's what we're going to hit as
hard as we possible. Again they including
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sorry, go ahead. No,
they putting mules, those cash mules,
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in R and B and be apartments, homes to use somebody else address the
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baby, you know, like they
go to different CD you like today mule
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was from New York. The previous
you know, we went to San Francisco
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couple months ago, the mule was
from Los Angeles. So they will rend
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them a car, they will rend
them are andbnb to use that address.
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So it's that is a seating that
they've been going on for years and years
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and they know that nobody catch them. So they've been successfully stealing a lot
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of money. Are you guys every
are worried about any of that getting violent
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with you any think when you confront
them? HMM. Well, you know,
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there's a question, there's an always
there's always inherent risk and you know,
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we do as much planning and have
each other's back and are protected as
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we possibly can be. But at
the end of the day, we are
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we move. Both moved to this
country, especially this Russian guy over here
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who's, you know, supposedly fearless
and runs up on me a lot.
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You know, we don't like waiting
on people. It's like we're we're going
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to do what we got to do
because we believe it's right and you know,
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if we think we're in danger,
we were not going to do it,
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but we do. We take every
precaution we can. Everybody Watch each
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other back, as video was,
they are prayer. Go for it.
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Yeah, you know, we're we're
Ashton is behind me, behind astal is
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the other guy. I will knock
on the door pretending be a delivery guy
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and, you know, like and
the seat and I read situation and as
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soon as I mobrine move in with
them, you know, like getting that
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signature from these you know, Cash
Mule Ashton immediately approaching, but the camera
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and we start doing our you know, investigation, asking questions, you know,
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like and stuff like that. Wow, that's you know, it sounds
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it sounds well you're doing. I
mean sounds very dangerous. I mean,
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I want to yeah, I don't
want to. I don't want to like
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give any negative thoughts of it,
because it's really great work and the fact
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that you guys are doing this,
I mean it's it just set as such
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a hole in our law enforcement that
you guys actually have to be doing this.
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You know this. This should be
a massive ring that the FBI is
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get a bust of big scammers.
And I mean this sounds like a multi
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international organizations and it doesn't sound like
a mom and pop thing. No,
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no, it's worldwide, worldwide,
and it's a multibillion dollar industry. And
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Yeah, you know, hopefully one
day we'll have that kind of reach and
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thankfully, you know, we've have
gotten so much support from the people that
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follow our channel. That's great.
We have a lot of doors opening as
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far as bigger fish than us,
considering the things that we're doing on a
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much bigger platinum, much bigger platforms, you know. But all we can
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do is keep doing what we're right, be safe, as safe as we
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possibly can. And you know these
scammers are you know, most of them
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aren't stupid. You know they're there
to utilize every loophole they can find and
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they they you know, they popped
this through and you know, unfortunately it
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works for their favor. But you
know, we're there to cause as much
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interruption and headache for them as we
possibly can. That's good Skim Bait,
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escape bating, Skim bating community.
You got together and it was in the
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use actually a couple of months ago, like the summer, when, you
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know, like Austin bators unite together
with a Cybersequito, huge guys that actually
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able to shut down cold centers,
you know, like in India, and
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put American police and American FBI to
those law enforcements in India and literally do
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raids and shut down and put all
these billionaires, you know, who's making
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so much money scamming Canada, America, UK, Australia and and literally,
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you know, like, but again, you shutting down one call center,
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yeah, and another hand product.
Yeah, but the the they think that
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we found out because we we made
two cameras queet their jobs and we move
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them back to their families and we
will help them open business and start them
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fresh. Well, they chose to
do it. We showed you always exactly
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help them to exactly escape that are
like the criminal organization. What we found
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out from people who used to work
for that organization. They said, guys,
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police is on the payil government and
the pay will sheriod knows exactly what's
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going on. We actually getting protected
by police, because that's how much freaking
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money we making by scamming your marriage. Ye, is that is so scary.
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The problem is bigger that people can
even people can even think. Yeah,
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no, it's say that's not yeah, that's not the kind of thing
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that's going to be solved easily where
you yeah, yeah, but it goes
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all the way up to the top. Yeah, I'm sure there's government officials
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who are in in different countries,
and so it would take it would take
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a huge, huge international effort to
sound to shut down, and so it's
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what it sounds like to me.
Absolutely, but awareness is key and that's
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how you can help it fight,
even one grandmother at a time, just
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awareness and exposing and, you know, and one one bed at a time,
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one victim at a time. Let's
take a good break and when we
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come back we'll discuss how to make
sure your personal information is protected when online
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chopping. So I ask you guys
a question. Since the coronavirus step has
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been going on, I mean I
haven't gone shopping other than for groceries in
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like. I mean it's been six
months. I feel like everything I'm buying
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is through Amazon, which, yeah, me, on some level Amazon it's
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probably safe. But then if my
credit card, something got a hold my
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credit card and they were buying steff
through Amazon, unless they change the shipping
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address, I probably wouldn't know it's. Amazon does itemize, you know.
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I mean when you get your credit
card statements, how safe is it to
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actually have your credit card out there
on the Internet? Well, I mean
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it's just it's I mean, in
my opinion it's safe as you want it
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to be. It's never perfectly safe. You know, hackers are all over
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the place they're they're going you.
You can take as many precautions as you
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can. It's never going to flowly
fully, fully protect you. I mean
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I've just from a technological standpoint,
I always recommend people, you know,
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use a VPN when they're rousing and
shopping, just so it's not you know,
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your location and your bank details aren't
being on our a lot less susceptible
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to being stolen. Certainly being careful
about the sites you are entering your credit
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card in. I mean, you
know, sites like Amazon, the ones
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you recognize or are our reputable,
and paypal and stuff like that have a
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reputation for a reason. But from
the perspective that we come from, the
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ones you really got to watch out
for is when someone is soliciting you,
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because these scammers will pretend to be
these companies and they'll get very, very
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sneaky about how they do it.
You'll get an email from Amazon and it'll
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have the same letter head on your
email. It'll appear as if it's coming
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from Amazon. It'll have the same
credentials sometimes and it will say, Hey,
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your account has been hated. You
need to click this link and reset
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your password. But that link doesn't
go to Amazon. That link goes to
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the website that they want you to
go to. So they can not only
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get your Ip address in your banking
information, but they'll have you enter your
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password, and an elderly person won't
know any different. They'll put their password
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in and then, once the camera
has that been I'll help breaks loose for
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you. So you got to be
very careful when people are reaching out to
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you asking you for information, asking
you for your passwords or your credit card
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or or anything, especially the email
and especially via robocall or voicemail of any
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kind, because Amazon will never call
you and ask for your password and apple
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will never ask you for your password. So being very careful about people reaching
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out to you and just being aware. And that's way, when you got
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that email, you don't have to
reply. You actually come to go and
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Google, do real you know,
like applecom, and you can pull them
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and, like a will find a
person to talk to, find the manager
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or if somebody's claiming that he's doing
vicent. These we doing right now like
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couple, you know, like maybe
six months, I'll already these almozone,
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and it's exactly you. Like Ashton
just said, they will leave you a
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voicemail, even a voicemail that you
almost in prime account. God Hacked Alo.
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It's got suspicious activities and somebody's buying
iphone eleven five hundred dollars. And
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what do you want? To cancel
it? It was you or not?
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And you like yeah, that was
not me, let's cancel it, and
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that's called the process starts. They
get you, you know, like online
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to fill a publication, you know
that consolation fees and stuff, and boom
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and you literally in that Web,
like with the spider, like you know,
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like being that butterfly, that cannet. Even get out from that by
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that spider anymore. Yeah, it's
very smooth how it's done to where.
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That actually happened to me once.
I don't remember the context of the call,
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but it was something like that,
where they called and they said they
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called, and you know, I
generally pick up those calls just because what
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I mean the operating room. Sometimes
the nurse will pick it up, but
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when somebody calls I don't recognize a
number, could be a patient calling me,
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so I'll pick it up. And
I remember it was something along the
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lines of they said my credit card
been they are allerding me to fraudulent activity
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on my account and they start asking
me questions. Did you buy? This
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is mist I said no, I
didn't. They said, okay, great,
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we too, you know, canceled
you. I cancel? I said
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sure, and they said, okay, what's your account? Pastor Nice,
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I said, and obviously that got
my got my attention. I said,
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she you gotta read as yeah,
right. Unfortunately, not everyone, especially
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those that aren't a technical logically savvy, might not have that second thought,
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unfortunately. But the best advice we
can give with that stuff is just,
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you know, if anyone is ever
proactively reaching out to you to ask for
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information, even if they're claiming that
something was wrong, that was done,
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it's on you to disconnect that call
immediately and proactively yourself go and reach out
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to the institution that claiming to be
so if you're getting a call from your
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bank saying that there's stuff and hang
up and call your bank back directly,
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though, number you have not the
number they gave y'all. Google it fun
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number. Yeah, not the one
that they provide them. That, eam.
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Apple says you have a virus,
then don't call that number. Go
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to Google and get apples applecare number
and call them yourself and ask, you
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know, like just do the research
yourself to make sure you're connected with who
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you're who they're saying we really mean
to be. Yeah, now what if
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you with if you're not really paying
attention and you know you maybe you give
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up that information. You're like you
hang up the phone. You're like,
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Oh, I shouldn't have done that. What's what's your recourse if you realize
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you've been scammed? Well, it
depends a number of things that you know
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of what happened. If, for
any reason, you let them connect to
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your computer, that is a tragedy. You want to make sure you you
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change every turn off your computer and
change every password you can possibly think of.
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If it's a particular company that you
just gave Info to, like if
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it's apple and you gave them your
Apple Id and Password, then you're of
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course going to want to reset that
password and then call apple a level that
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them what happened, like a play
immediately. Guy Got Sign, someone got
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my past word. I want to
put extra level of security or if it's
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your credit card or anything, you
know. So proactively do what you can
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to change any security settings and inform
the real company of what happens, so
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that they can keep an eye out
for any additional fraud that might happen,
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you know, behind the scenes.
With with regards to the like you mentioned
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before, the websites online, is
there a way to know if there is
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one day is particularly safe, or
is it just the ones that you are
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familiar with, like, obviously Amazon
is going to be safe, but if
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is it generally the ones that reach
out to you that are not safe?
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Or how can you identify unsafe website? Well, I mean, the first
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thing to look out for. What
I do is just make sure that the
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website is ssll secure, you know, especially if you're going to be putting
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any personal information, and you should
never enter personal information into a site that
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is not as a cell security.
If you're on Google chrome, you can
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tell right away just by looking on
the top left of your browser. It'll
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tell you if it's if it's secure
or not. Well, how's it?
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Let's ty. Can you explain SSL
security and then then maybe the different levels
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of online security? Yeah, so
basically SSL. I'm actually looking for what
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it stands for. They don't actually
know secure, secure sockets layer. I
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just Google bad and full of closure
because, you know, I'm I don't
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claim to be a cyber security expert. I'm kind of more of a creative
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video editor guy, but you know, going into this stuff you have to
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kind of learn of what you're dealing
with. But when you look at the
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url of any website, you know, if you go to Amazon and you've
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look at the full you R L, it starts with https, mole and
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slash and if you're on chrome,
you'll notice there's a little picture of a
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padlock on the top left of the
browser. That's that's an SSL secure that
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means that that site has been secured
and approved by whatever hosting it's on to
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make sure that whatever personal information has
passed through it is done so safely.
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You'll notice a lot some sites that
are maybe not as reputable won't have that
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security and it won't have the ASS
it will just be http. And then
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the rest of the URL and chrome
will specifically tell you not secure on the
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top left. So that's one thing
to look out for, especially if you're
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shopping on a website that you're not
normally on. If it's not secure,
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don't put your personal information. It's
just a you know, a rule of
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thumb. Stick to what you know. You Know Amazon, you know target,
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you know all the ones that have
a reputation, you know. You
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know paypal. Stick with those,
especially now with such a huge uptick and
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online shopping. It's a lot of
one day website that you literally go the
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the's no reviews, that's no like, you know, yell nothing. So
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it's really good to do a resource
because you can find all these awesome prices,
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very like. You know a lot
of these counts, and you put
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you information and you start shopping and
next thing you know you'll already you already
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on the wrong page with their own
people and you'll create caught. Your debit
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card already's actually wiped out. Yeah, it's so it's so easy for that
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to happen to now. Every time
you google something, the next time you
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go back in to the computer there's
twenty different ads popping up for whatever you
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just googled. And so if you
want to click on that and you have
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no idea what these sites are,
you're clicking out, but it's just they're
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right there, they're in your face
the whole time. It's hard to get
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away from it. And that's just
the today's Day and age and that's not
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even indicative of a scam. That's
just that's just representative of how, how
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freaking connected you are, more than
you even realize. And that's that's one
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reason to use a VPN. At
least a VPN will hide your actual location
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and Ip address when you are browsing
the website or the Internet. When you're
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if you are going to a website, entering personal information or logging in,
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you know, use an incognito browser
and chrome. That way it's not going
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to like a store and you are
a in your browser history and souff.
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So there are certain precautions you can
do to prevent that kind of stuff,
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but at the end of the day, if you're online, you just got
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to be careful no matter what.
You're never up toy shop. You're never
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perfectly safe. You to do your
research. If you're ever unsure, have
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a red flag, it's probably for
a reason. So stop what you're doing,
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think about it, ask a family
member and especially important to tell our
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grandparents this. That's right. It's
ask somebody for help. Don't don't operate
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out of fear or haste, because
they, these scammers, especially when they're
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on the phone with you, want
you to make fast irrational decisions so that
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you'll pay them and you know it's
it never ends up well for you know
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for sure is there is being a
payment? is their method of online payment,
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that's say, for a more secure
than others? I mean, just
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from personal experience, I paypal is
pretty trustworthy. You know, they're pretty
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stingent about that stuff, especially if
you are sending money to like a person
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or a contractor, you know,
paying for goods or services. As one
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of the options when you're checking out
on paypal right, and I can,
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you can give money to friends and
family or you can give money for a
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good, goods or services, and
it's got sellar protection, which means that
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you know if there is any kind
of fraud that they're don't know, they're
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going to have your back more often
than not. So good. I use
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a venomom, Ben went by Multile
Huh. Both of goes well. And
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Benmo. You know, I wouldn't
recommend Venmo as much for like professional services.
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If you're just sending money to a
friend, yeah, it's between and
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you trust the recipient, then Venmo
seems to be pretty secure atly because I
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believe paypal owns Ben Moo. But
as far as like sending money to company
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or like an etc store or something
that you haven't ever done before. Paypals
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pretty secure. I'm very wary about
debit cards. I don't like using my
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debit card for certain things that I'm
not familiar with, especially at gas pumps
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anywhere that it might be skimmed.
You know, at least credit cards have
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some sort of consumer protection against fraud
and stuff, so I would use a
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credit card if it were something I
was unsure of. What's the what's the
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deal with a that gasp of skimmy
thing? We had a whole conversation the
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operating about this the other day and
I follow what they were saying. But
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there's there's something like if you put
a debit card into a machine at a
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00:32:30.750 --> 00:32:34.630
gas station paying your better off just
going inside rather than just swiping at the
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pump. Yeah, it's a it
could be a gas station pump, that
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can be an ATM, it can
be anywhere that you insert your card yourself
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and it's basically a little housing that
sits on top of the actual housing of
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where your card is inserted and it's
basically reading your card as you are inserting
509
00:32:50.420 --> 00:32:52.740
it, and it looks like it's
part of the ATM are, part of
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00:32:52.779 --> 00:32:54.980
the gas pump, but it's really
something a hacker or some kind of a
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00:32:55.339 --> 00:33:00.529
criminal has installed there that you can't
really see, as you know what you're
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looking for. And then when you
swipe your card and then you type your
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pin number, it's you know,
it's basically like you're handing them all your
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00:33:06.329 --> 00:33:07.809
cash. You know they can access
your account and it's scary. So I
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don't use my debit card at the
pump, at least not the self service
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pomp. I'll go inside and and
do a prepay, you know. So
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00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:17.319
stuff like that. You know,
just at the end of the day,
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00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:22.640
it's about being aware, it's about
just knowing kind of knowledge. Now they're
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00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:25.759
these scams are taking shape because they're
changing constantly with the technology, with the
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00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:29.670
awareness, and just kind of know
what to look for, know what the
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red flyinges are, stay alert and
do the best you can. Well,
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I will tell you, guys,
after this conversation I am going to go
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lock myself in the closet. And
we don't want to scare you to we
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00:33:42.299 --> 00:33:45.180
still have to live alive, you
know. We just have to beat you
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00:33:45.220 --> 00:33:46.579
weak up, to be pay attention
and be careful, because at the end
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of the day, this is our
full you know, like if you don't
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00:33:50.700 --> 00:33:52.900
know the rules, it means,
you know, like you just feel like
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an idiot. And that's why when
we we talk to victims, they like,
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00:33:58.450 --> 00:34:00.690
you know what, I don't want
to even tell my family members how
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00:34:00.970 --> 00:34:06.569
our shame I am after like,
you know, like being so naive and
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00:34:07.410 --> 00:34:09.320
and it's crazy, but we just
have to, you know, look out
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00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:13.639
for each other and if we have
anything, just to tell people and bring
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00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:15.199
awareness, and that's what will we
do. Yeah, well, that's that's
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00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:17.119
all you can do exactly. I
mean, you guys are you're out there.
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You guys are putting yourselves out there
and doing this stuff. And you
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before, before I talked to you, I really didn't know that this type
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of community existed. But it's actually
really positive to hear that there are people
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00:34:29.789 --> 00:34:32.510
out there who are trying to help
and doing more than just kind of like
539
00:34:32.670 --> 00:34:36.590
bring awareness to them. You guys
are actually tracking people that I think that's
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00:34:36.590 --> 00:34:39.699
pretty cool. Yeah, and it's
you know again, please, it looks
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back to who we want to be, which is make good, riveting content,
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00:34:43.460 --> 00:34:45.940
and it just have it was a
perfect marriage of ideas and fields for
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us to be able to express herself, do the content we want, but
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00:34:49.860 --> 00:34:52.820
also do something that is really important
that all people don't don't know about.
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00:34:52.860 --> 00:34:57.690
You know, when you independent,
fielm make fielmaker creator, you you you
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have to go, you you have
to find finance, you have to go,
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00:35:00.650 --> 00:35:02.170
and kee's a lot of blots that
you don't want to keys and you
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00:35:02.369 --> 00:35:06.250
like literally, especially like, you
know, having Russian the ego, and
549
00:35:06.409 --> 00:35:07.679
we like that's on me. And
after them we you know, like we
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will, we will sell a show, we will shoot show, like our
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00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:15.840
project, you know, it from
our own money or like we have,
552
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:19.360
you know, like whatever money we
can find, and then you take your
553
00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:22.510
freaking script, you go to the
studio or you go to the private investors
554
00:35:22.550 --> 00:35:25.269
and you have to put your vision
and somebody else had in. The first
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00:35:25.309 --> 00:35:29.829
question is is like, okay,
I will give you this amount of money,
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but can you put my wife?
CAN YOU PUT my first trap?
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00:35:32.070 --> 00:35:35.820
Can You put my sister? And
you like, God damn it, I
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don't want that, and that's it. But he's normal movie, because it's
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going to be like freaking yeah.
So we were always looking for that freetottle
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expression, you know, express ourselves
sure, being counting creator and being dependent,
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and you know what we need to
create, and that was a perfect
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marriage. Now that's really heat.
What's the what's the youtube channel or what's
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the best way for people who are
listening to to follow you guys on Youtube
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or Instagram, wherever your social media
is? We're all over the place,
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but the home base of our content
is youtube. So if you go to
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youtubecom trilogy media are just search trilogy, trilogy media. We got hundreds of
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videos. Our website is trilogy Media
Inkcom Imccom, where we have a live
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streaming calendar and a bunch of updates
of everything. Otherwise, Trilogy Media Inc
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on facebook and Instagram as well.
But yeah, for the latest videos and
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the shenanigans were up to, hit
up the Youtube Channel, subscribe and you
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might see something that makes you laugh
and makes you learn something and hopefully doesn't
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00:36:31.070 --> 00:36:36.059
scare you into the closet exactly.
Well, thanks you, guys. I
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appreciate you coming on today's great conversation. Thanks Great, thanks for having you
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so much. Yeah, my place. One day we can meet together on
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yeah, absolutely. That's it for
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