Creative Expression: The Path to Emotional Resilience with Tasneem Grace

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we are walking creatives all the time.
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We just don't consider
that to be creativity.
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But it is.
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Welcome to Beliefs, Behaviors,
Communication, and The Brain, where
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we talk about what you say, what you
don't say, how you say it, and why
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it matters in leadership and in life.
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I am your host, Dr. Maiysha, physician,
coach, consultant, mom, and lover
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of all things brain and behavior.
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I also happen to be a trained expert in
emotional intelligence, trust, safety,
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and trauma-informed communication.
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Each Monday, we will dive into the science
of human behavior and relationship,
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sharing tools that help you build capacity
and resilience as we explore what drives
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our beliefs, shapes our behaviors,
and influences our communication.
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I believe conscious communication is
the pathway to connection, and whether
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you're a leader, parent, spouse, or
just someone trying to operate in your
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highest self, learning the power of
communication is the access to real change
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in your relationships and your life.
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So stay tuned.
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It's time to communicate what matters.
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welcome back to another episode.
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I am your host, and as always,
I am so grateful to be with
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you here for another podcast.
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Today, we are talking about
creative expression as the path to
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emotional resilience with my girl
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'Cause
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it all feel good.
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Feel good.
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So this sister right here I met
because, and I may have shared this in
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a previous podcast, I had the blessing
and opportunity to be a part of a
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fellowship called Mosaic Changemakers.
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Shout out to Mo South.
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Yes.
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And so the Mo Foles.
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Right?
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I first met Tasneem on the
interview, and immediately I felt
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that energy, that connected energy.
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And over the space of the next year,
what I noticed is how Tasneem affirmed,
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helped me to like blossom and bring my
voice out, invited my voice into the room
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constantly, and the ways in which I grew
in the fellowship but in her presence.
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And part of that is because of who she is.
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I love to say that Tasneem, her zone of
genius, she is a master story weaver.
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She is an amazing creative soul
and spirit, and that's why we
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are talking about this today.
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She's also the vice president
of Mosaic Changemakers.
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Mm. And so I am so grateful to
bring her into this conversation.
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Welcome, Tasneem.
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Thank you, Maiysha.
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And to all those listening,
Maiysha said it right.
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Our love affair- … the sister
love that we keep building
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started in on the computer.
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Yes.
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It started with ability for
us to connect even digitally.
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It was beautiful.
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I remember surprising you in Memphis.
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You were rounding the corner in-
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Yes
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…
the hotel we were at, and I said,
"Maiysha!" And you were like- Because
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you had been a name in my
mind for months before we met.
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Mm. And I knew, I knew that this love and
sister connection was gonna be so real.
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Yeah.
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And so just to see you in the flesh,
I just gave you all my like- Yes
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you know, my giddy energy.
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And so here we are.
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Here we are.
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we are still in the flow.
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This
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This is- Yeah … such a good thing.
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You know, as much as I love you, I
want my audience to get to know you.
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Mm.
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So just share a little bit
about you, yourself- Yeah
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who you are, what y- you've come to
Mosaic Changemakers, and just anything
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you wanna share to invite the audience in.
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Absolutely.
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Thank you, Maiysha, for that invitation.
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I often think probably several times
a week how I would describe where
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I am in the mode of Tasneem now.
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I think today the mode
of Tasneem is seeker.
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This is a discovery season for me,
and also a reclamation of things
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that I know to be true in terms
of what leaves me feeling lifted.
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And so the topic of
creativity, number one.
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Quick note before we dive in.
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Link is in the show notes.
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Absolutely feeling as though-
Operating in my creativity is
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what brings me the most joy.
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So I'm a seeker of creative expression
and creative experiences, number one.
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But I also love to guide people
toward experiences that help them
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to ask that question of themselves.
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And to do it with enough regularity
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And it feels like a welcome practice.
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It's not work.
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It's like, "Where am I now?" And the
now means 'cause I can change and
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I'm gonna morph and I'm gonna flow.
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So a seeker.
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I'm a flow seeker.
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I love, I think you and I both
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Being in conversation.
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Mm-hmm.
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I love asking, like, questions
that make even myself go
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And stay in that contemplative place.
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I really love that.
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And I also like listening to what
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nudge to speak the inquiry.
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So it may come to me, I might be
curious- Yes … but to put it into
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the room, to offer it to the circle,
to say, "What do we think about that?
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What is that awakening us?" Yeah.
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" What gives us a kind of emotion,
a feeling, a kind of humming
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beneath our skin?" I love to do it.
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I would say also for folks to know
who I am, I am the grateful mother of
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four daughters, and I have one bonus
daughter, so five daughters all together.
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And I am the grateful mother of daughters
who fascinate me, so I'll say that.
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Mm. I'm just amazed at
their burgeoning womanhood.
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And so yeah, I'm a daughter.
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I am a wife.
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I always say I'm a lover, I'm a writer.
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And lately, I'm a person
who's trying to have more fun.
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I'm just trying to have more fun.
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That is so needed right now.
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I think that, with everything that's
going on in the world, sometimes we
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forget to play Especially when we're
in the realm of what we're doing.
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Like in this realm of justice and equity.
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And even bringing hope to where-
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we're so focused on doing
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Totally … to just, like, stop
and have pure, unadulterated fun.
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absolutely.
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To call it into ourselves, And I
make this distinction sometimes,
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Rasha, between joy and fun.
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And so to me, Joy can feel like
a passive experience of delight.
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It can come upon you.
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You can feel it.
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You can seek it.
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But you can also sit very
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But for me, play and fun
is an act of deliberation.
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It is.
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It is an active seeking of delight,
and then, like, a sitting in it,
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but you also keep it activated.
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And, that's what I wanna do.
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Like, I might find it.
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It might be in laugh-
it's in this conversation.
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This is fun.
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Right?
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And so it also allows me to have this
sort of thrumming feeling throughout the
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rest of the day, just- Mm-hmm … "Hey,
wasn't that fun?" So when I encounter,
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you know, the m- the mundane elements
of living, I can remember this moment
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and go, "Nah, you did good, girl.
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You had fun."
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It's
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It's energizing.
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It is energizing.
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It's
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like a, you know, a shot of matcha life.
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And you know, sometimes I
think language-wise, we think
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joy is more sophisticated, and
fun is more infantile, right?
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Like, you know-
Right … children have fun.
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I'm like, "No, no, no. No, no, no." No.
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I plan to claim fun-
Mm-hmm … until my final days.
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And whether I can, get in that swing and
actually trust it to hold my body weight-
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Yes … whether I can hop on a paddleboard
and actually try to do the thing that
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I haven't really done well- Mm-hmm
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I believe you.
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It is energizing, and it is energy itself.
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A life gift
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And in that way, I think fun actually
could be more sophisticated because it
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takes a particular intentionality, to
diversify the ways that you have fun-
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Yes … to inquire about what fun looks
like at any given time- Absolutely
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to, you know, to reach for
fun in the mundane moments.
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Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
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Like,, it actually can be
the more sophisticated route.
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I love it.
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I'm there with you.
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Yeah, we had fun.
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We had a good time.
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It was fun.
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And that's one of the things I loved
about the fellowship- is that when we dove
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deep, we could dive deep in conversations.
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There was always an element of
fun and laughter inside of that-
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Yes … even through tears.
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And you all were so amazing at
incorporating those fun moments.
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Breaking it up, even
into, like, movie moments.
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To me, movies are fun, even when
they're about hard things or things
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that I didn't even know about, like
documentaries that are, like- Yes
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inspiring and empowering things.
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Yes.
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Yes, yes.
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But, like, bringing in those
moments of fun, the snacks.
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Mm. The after hours karaoke.
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Yes.
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The spades games.
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You know?
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Like, all the things.
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The vip zap zop, you know?
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Yes, yes, yes.
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Can you say shout, that is shout out,
shout out to Christian Hardy, our mo-
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director of play, and Renata Soto- Yes
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for hearing.
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She and I heard from fellows, this
is great feedback, that, yeah,
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we're talking about heavy things.
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How do we also believe that
lightheartedness is revolutionary, too?
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That we don't have to sit in the mud.
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That the mud can be fun.
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We know about jumping
in puddles, mud puddles.
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It's fun.
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And so yeah, I love that.
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, Thank you for reminding me that
that works, that that kind of
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balances out the work we came to do.
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Which is, you know, talk about big topics
and imagine these everlasting coalitions,
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but we also want to talk about the
karaoke and the spades and the snacks.
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That
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counts.
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Absolutely.
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That counts.
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And the neuroscience of it is there
because we know that fun helps
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to regulate cortisol, helps to-
That's right … keep cortisol low.
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When we're talking about these big
topics, when we're- Yeah … in the
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world, we're in a container, but we're
still kind of worried about the world out
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here, that stress raises the cortisol.
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But when we regularly incorporate fun
and play intentionally- Yes … that
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actually resets the cortisol.
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And so- Absolutely … neurologically
speaking, that helps us to
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really, like, regulate ourselves.
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Therein lies the blessings of
creative expression as a path- There
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it is … to resilience, you know?
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There it is.
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I absolutely agree.
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And Maiysha, I've done a thing, and I'm
very excited to share about it because-
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Please
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…
this is where I know for a fact
creativity builds emotional
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resistance, emotional resilience.
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Mm-hmm … I signed up
for a writing class.
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Oh, yes.
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And I'm a person who grew up writing,
grew up journaling, you know, probably
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somewhere have my journal from
when I was 13 with the little key.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yes.
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Um, and I knew, speaking of
sophistication, that as we
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become women, we're like, "We're
journaling now," you know?
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"We're documenting life."
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Yes.
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And extending from this childhood want to
record feelings, we become documentarians.
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Mm-hmm.
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But where I see it now
is we become creators.
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Mm-hmm.
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And something about intentional
creative practice- has brought me
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a kind of bliss- Uh-huh … that
helps me recognize two things.
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One, it is nobody's job but my own.
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Yes.
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That me and that paper and pen,
pencil, whatever I'm doing, even if
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I'm typing it, those words, just to
get the words down, the sensation of
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the writing- Mm-hmm … the cadence of
the sentence, the word selection- Mm
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becomes such a personal practice.
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I then get to take the
responsibility for my own emotional
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resilience- … off of other people.
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Ooh.
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So I don't have to say … and I'm
not rocked by emotional instability
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because now- Yes … I'm resilient.
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Yes.
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So every Tuesday night for the
past five weeks, I've been meeting
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with six women for three hours.
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Woo.
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And I have to creatively negotiate
time to figure out who's gonna
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take care of the daughters, right?
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Yes.
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So this one's a senior, this one's in
high school, this one… And all those
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things, and I make … Since I've called
upon people, and they come through.
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Yes.
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I pick up two girls, I go home, I have
45 minutes to spare, I refresh my oils.
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I get myself together.
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And then when I sit down in that
space where the only thing we
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have to tend to is our creativity.
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Mm-hmm.
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It is it.
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We don't even have snacks.
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I mean, occasionally we bring something.
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But we are the snack because-
Yes … what's delicious is time set
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aside- Yes … to just be creative.
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And for us, the creativity
is autobiographical.
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Yes.
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So how do you go in your mind
and respond to these prompts-
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Mm-hmm … that make you think about
expressing both memory and aspiration?
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Mm-hmm.
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And to do it in a creative way.
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it could be a list.
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It could be a poem.
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It could be an essay.
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It could be a memoir
style I don't know, prose.
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Yes.
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You can feel in the room, and
there's tears, and there's laughter.
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Mm-hmm.
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And we all admit after every single
week that we are able to reenter
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into our lives outside of that space-
Yeah … with our spine straight.
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Ooh
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Part of it, I think, is the
vulnerability that comes from the
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writing that is autobiographical.
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I think it is in the risk-taking
because we are an intergenerational
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and intercultural group.
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Mm.
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Ooh.
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So like, how much of myself am I
gonna share in this space, right?
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Yeah.
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But we're all female identifying people.
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We are all folks who are
interested in ourselves.
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Mm-hmm.
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So it's a place also to kind of luxuriate
in a beautiful kind of self-concern.
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Where, you know, you're like all this
language around, "Is that selfish?" No.
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No.
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In a creative space, selfishness
and self-fullness, that is
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the canvas for everything.
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I love that.
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In fact, we're like, I statements, mm-mm,
we're not talking about other people.
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I, what about you?" I know you wrote
about your mama, but what about you?"
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Yeah.
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"
I know you wrote about that
marriage or parenthood or the
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divorce or the abandonment.
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Yes, those are other people.
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But where were you in it?"
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Yeah.
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And for those of us who are so used
to having our lenses faced outward-
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Mm … and kind of diagnosing - Yeah
… , and coaching other people through-
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Yes … a kind of self-regard, I tell
you, sis, for three hours a week-
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…
an investment of three hours earns
me, I'm gonna say, seven days-
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Mm
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of emotional resilience.
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Wow.
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Look at that math.
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That's some good stuff right there
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And it has nothing to do with anyone else.
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Mm. Yes, we get the validation from
the listening that happens in the
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circle- Mm … but it's because we
decided to creatively pursue our own
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freedom, to creatively pursue it.
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I love that.
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You said so many things.
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The thing that I'm hanging on to
right now in this moment is this
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piece of the I statement about you.
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So, Yes … one thing I haven't shared
publicly is that I'm writing a book.
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Yes.
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And this book is about being
in right relationship at- Mm
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multiple levels, right?
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And so as a piece to that a lot of what
I'm doing is weaving my own story in.
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Yes.
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And what's been interesting,
is I find myself getting
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sick of writing about myself.
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Mm, that- and it's not like
getting sick of, like, I'm
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getting sick, but it's like- Yeah
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from the reader perspective, but in my
own mind, it's like, "Oh, am I writing
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too much about me?" I need to start
writing, I need to start incorporating the
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world and other things and other people.
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And what I recognized is that this is
something that showed up in my first TEDx
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talk where , my TEDx coach was like, "Oh,
y- we need more of you in the story."
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Yes.
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And I tried.
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Yeah.
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But when I listened to in comparison
to the one that I just did, there was
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really none of me- Mm … except for
to introduce who I am and what I do.
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But in this l- last one, the
whole thing was about me.
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And of course- And
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how did that feel?
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How did that feel different?
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It was challenging at first-
Mm-hmm … because I just was
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like people gonna get this?
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Like, I don't wanna
make this talk about me.
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Uh, this talk is about repair." But
then what I realized is and with the
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help of one of my coaches, is that
people will see themselves through my
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eyes and through my experience, and
that's what makes the actual teaching
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and framework and tools richer.
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So that was really interesting.
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But coming back to the book, it's
like, when you say just for me, like,
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this writing feels like that for me.
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Yes.
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It's gonna be for publication, but it
feels like as I'm writing, like, oh, I
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am, like, telling my story, recounting
things, remembering the lessons,
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like being re-grounded inside of the
learnings, seeing the personal connections
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to the learnings, to my journey.
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And so what you just did for me
in that moment just really gave me
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the freedom, 'cause I was actually
contemplating this earlier this morning.
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Gave me the freedom to be able to
tell my story throughout the book.
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And trust and have faith that it
will connect to the th- the later
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themes that are more like community,
organization, society, world.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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In terms of the right relationship.
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So I just, thank you for that because
it was such- Oh … a gift, right?
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Mai Mai, I gotta tell you, and I, I want
you to hear me fully as a person who
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has written for joy and for resources,
as a reader for joy and for resources.
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My eye and my spirit goes immediately
to the I pronoun in any writing.
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It is what allows me to care more
about you and me- … if I get
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a sense of Maiysha in the work.
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Mm-hmm.
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If you just give me theory and ideology,
I'm like- Mm … "This is nice." And
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because I exist, I'm imagining legions
also- Yeah … feel the same thing.
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Yeah.
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A deep attraction to, but
where are you in here?
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Yeah.
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This is great, and because I love
story, and I want to know yours.
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Mm-hmm.
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And so if I'm picking up someone's
book I'm anxious to hear about
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who Maiysha is in the book.
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I know she's brilliant.
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That's a given.
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But who is she?
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And so I think it's interesting too,
and I don't know where we picked
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it up, that there's a slight kind
of hesitation as though we're too
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full of ourselves or something.
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Mm-hmm.
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If it's like a uh.
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Someone will be like, "Oh, she's the
one talking about herself." Mm-hmm.
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And I'm really going, "She's talking
about herself." Because if you
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see you, then I can see me, 'cause
I'm looking for the me in you.
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I'm like, "I wonder what she's gonna
tell me about her life that then
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validates something I'm feeling."
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Yeah.
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And so if you just give
me ideas and strategy-
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…
It's not hitting me here.
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Yeah.
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It's gonna hit me here.
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Yeah.
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And I thank you.
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That's great.
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But I wanna pick up a
book in my spare time-
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…
Because you're gonna move me.
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Mm-hmm.
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And there's no better
way to say, "Come along.
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I'm gonna take you on this
little path back into- Mm-hmm
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some of the things I experienced." Yeah.
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I want you to just have fun saying,
"I'm gonna tell you about me."
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Yes.
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And you know what?
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It has been fun.
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Like as you talked about your writing
class and how you're just drawn in and
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like that, that three hours, like how
that gives you that emotional resilience.
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Even though I'm writing for something
different, like it is, I am so drawn in.
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I love this writing.
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And I'm using a little bit of what I've
learned in Mosaic, particularly around
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like bringing in some biomimicry and like
some- Yeah … metaphor around the body
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and some metaphor around nature and trees.
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And it's been like so fun to weave
that into like my own learning and
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like- Yes … my own, you know, like
comparing my own learnings to the
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roots and the soil and the da-da-da-da.
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Sure.
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And the gardening, because you
know, you girls and gardening,
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that's been my playtime.
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That's my thing.
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That's your fun.
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That's my fun.
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Yes, yes.
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You know?
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Yes.
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And going out and talking to the
plants, you know what I'm saying?
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Yes,
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absolutely.
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It's so beautiful.
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Me too.
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One thing- that I would love
for us to talk about, is when
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00:20:44,981 --> 00:20:50,831
how people s- sometimes have the
belief or speak the belief, "Oh,
496
00:20:50,891 --> 00:20:52,771
I'm not creative in that way."
497
00:20:52,831 --> 00:20:53,331
Mm-hmm.
498
00:20:54,521 --> 00:20:56,561
I'd love us to… I love that.
499
00:20:57,643 --> 00:20:59,363
I remember that I, we hear that.
500
00:20:59,543 --> 00:21:03,783
We might have even s- said that
about certain forms of creativity.
501
00:21:04,013 --> 00:21:04,043
Right.
502
00:21:04,073 --> 00:21:07,323
I think we, I think it's fine to
give ourselves permission to expand
503
00:21:07,323 --> 00:21:09,233
what we consider creativity to be.
504
00:21:09,593 --> 00:21:10,143
Yes.
505
00:21:10,503 --> 00:21:10,643
Right?
506
00:21:10,673 --> 00:21:12,643
I think we have it somewhat in a box.
507
00:21:12,693 --> 00:21:18,013
Um, I think that if we think
about the difference between going
508
00:21:18,013 --> 00:21:21,003
for a run or going for a stroll-
509
00:21:21,223 --> 00:21:21,523
Mm.
510
00:21:21,523 --> 00:21:25,143
Yeah … I think of
creativity like strolling.
511
00:21:25,333 --> 00:21:25,673
Mm-hmm.
512
00:21:25,673 --> 00:21:27,393
It's like ambling.
513
00:21:27,433 --> 00:21:29,303
Mm … let me see what these hands can do.
514
00:21:29,313 --> 00:21:29,613
Mm-hmm.
515
00:21:29,653 --> 00:21:34,423
It's like, um, maybe structure but not
a whole bunch of boundaries and rules.
516
00:21:34,483 --> 00:21:34,503
Yeah.
517
00:21:34,513 --> 00:21:38,953
So it can have structure and all that,
but I think there is a part of creativity
518
00:21:39,223 --> 00:21:41,693
that we get to ask to come forth.
519
00:21:41,933 --> 00:21:42,233
Mm-hmm.
520
00:21:42,233 --> 00:21:45,043
And so when we say, "I'm not
good at it like that," I don't
521
00:21:45,043 --> 00:21:46,303
know that we've asked yet-
522
00:21:46,763 --> 00:21:46,893
Right
523
00:21:46,943 --> 00:21:47,743
…
ourselves.
524
00:21:47,913 --> 00:21:48,613
Mm.
525
00:21:49,013 --> 00:21:51,243
So I haven't studied a
whole bunch of painting.
526
00:21:51,303 --> 00:21:51,323
Yeah.
527
00:21:51,653 --> 00:21:56,063
But I know when I w- if I'm gonna step
up to a blank canvas, my first thought is
528
00:21:56,063 --> 00:21:58,473
like, you know, I am a little hesitant.
529
00:21:58,513 --> 00:21:59,553
I'm a little self-critical.
530
00:21:59,593 --> 00:21:59,893
Yeah.
531
00:21:59,933 --> 00:22:01,713
But if I say to myself I don't know.
532
00:22:01,713 --> 00:22:04,743
Is there a painter in you, girl?"
And my other self goes, "Well,
533
00:22:04,743 --> 00:22:08,413
let's see." So that part of,
like, discovery and experimenting-
534
00:22:08,543 --> 00:22:10,403
…
I would assign that to creativity.
535
00:22:10,493 --> 00:22:14,733
So you would never say, "I'm not good
at trying new things," necessarily.
536
00:22:14,743 --> 00:22:19,723
I- it, that, that ref- that refrain only
lasts as long as you just stay still.
537
00:22:19,983 --> 00:22:20,223
Right.
538
00:22:20,233 --> 00:22:21,833
So as soon as you do anything-
539
00:22:21,933 --> 00:22:23,573
…
You know, you're trying something new.
540
00:22:23,593 --> 00:22:27,053
And so per- Mm-hmm … permission
to expand what creativity means-
541
00:22:27,163 --> 00:22:27,683
Mm-hmm
542
00:22:27,683 --> 00:22:31,283
…
to ask yourself, "Maybe
there is that thing inside me
543
00:22:31,283 --> 00:22:32,483
that I just don't know yet."
544
00:22:32,933 --> 00:22:33,203
Yes.
545
00:22:33,253 --> 00:22:36,523
I think also getting with some
folks who love to try new things
546
00:22:36,523 --> 00:22:38,293
is a way to invite more creativity.
547
00:22:38,523 --> 00:22:38,583
Mm-hmm.
548
00:22:38,583 --> 00:22:41,193
And together you can sit and go,
"You sure you wanna try this hang
549
00:22:41,193 --> 00:22:43,573
gliding?" "Well, I do." Right?
550
00:22:43,833 --> 00:22:44,143
Uh.
551
00:22:44,143 --> 00:22:46,733
Like, sometimes you need that
nudge that we get when we're in,
552
00:22:46,793 --> 00:22:48,493
collective action and community work-
553
00:22:48,493 --> 00:22:48,773
Yes
554
00:22:48,823 --> 00:22:53,093
…
because we do have that hesitation, and we
are in a culture that certainly highlights
555
00:22:53,093 --> 00:22:54,723
people to the point of perfection, right?
556
00:22:54,723 --> 00:22:57,743
So we only think of, "You can
sing, it has to sound like Mariah
557
00:22:57,743 --> 00:22:59,383
Carey or Whitney Houston." No.
558
00:22:59,403 --> 00:23:00,083
Mm-hmm.
559
00:23:00,093 --> 00:23:01,643
We can make a joyful noise.
560
00:23:01,713 --> 00:23:02,183
That's right.
561
00:23:02,573 --> 00:23:02,813
That's,
562
00:23:02,863 --> 00:23:03,003
right.
563
00:23:03,033 --> 00:23:07,153
Um, every piece of, of crafted
clay doesn't have to look like
564
00:23:07,163 --> 00:23:10,183
the most amazing sculpture ever.
565
00:23:10,183 --> 00:23:10,443
Right.
566
00:23:10,443 --> 00:23:10,833
Right?
567
00:23:10,833 --> 00:23:12,663
We, that's why we call things abstract.
568
00:23:12,673 --> 00:23:12,703
Right.
569
00:23:12,873 --> 00:23:15,323
So I think giving us permission
to say, "It doesn't, we're
570
00:23:15,323 --> 00:23:16,453
not going for perfection."
571
00:23:16,663 --> 00:23:17,113
That's right.
572
00:23:17,593 --> 00:23:20,353
You know, we're just… I'm thinking
of, lately I've been thinking of
573
00:23:20,413 --> 00:23:23,553
the sound that children make when
they're playing when they go, "Wee!"
574
00:23:26,143 --> 00:23:26,173
Yes.
575
00:23:26,203 --> 00:23:28,593
And I think if we get to that moment
where you're like, "I don't know
576
00:23:28,593 --> 00:23:32,197
if I'm good at that- And think what
would it take for me to think, "Wee."
577
00:23:33,017 --> 00:23:37,327
Right at the moment of like, I don't
really know how to do charcoal drawings.
578
00:23:37,427 --> 00:23:38,377
Right.
579
00:23:38,987 --> 00:23:39,427
Well, let's try it out.
580
00:23:39,587 --> 00:23:39,607
Wee.
581
00:23:40,217 --> 00:23:40,387
Wee.
582
00:23:43,267 --> 00:23:46,057
And somebody's like, "That look
like something." Like I know, right?
583
00:23:46,537 --> 00:23:49,867
Like I just wanted… And that I
think perfectionism comes into it
584
00:23:49,867 --> 00:23:51,187
and cuts right into the creativity.
585
00:23:51,617 --> 00:23:51,737
Ooh.
586
00:23:51,767 --> 00:23:52,257
I do.
587
00:23:52,617 --> 00:23:55,437
I love, I, you spoke a word on that.
588
00:23:55,607 --> 00:23:58,237
'Cause I was just thinking about
this whole, when you, you said it
589
00:23:58,237 --> 00:24:02,427
as I was thinking it, oh, maybe it's
the perfectionism that we get so
590
00:24:02,427 --> 00:24:04,347
attached to it- Yes … looking like.
591
00:24:04,517 --> 00:24:07,137
And I think also it's like comparison.
592
00:24:07,337 --> 00:24:11,627
That comparison is like the
enemy- It is … of creativity-
593
00:24:11,777 --> 00:24:13,277
Yes … and fulfillment and joy.
594
00:24:13,277 --> 00:24:13,737
Yes.
595
00:24:13,737 --> 00:24:14,187
You know?
596
00:24:14,197 --> 00:24:14,422
Thief of joy.
597
00:24:14,422 --> 00:24:14,582
It is
598
00:24:14,582 --> 00:24:15,182
true.
599
00:24:15,532 --> 00:24:16,332
It is true.
600
00:24:16,462 --> 00:24:19,722
And I think too, like, I like to, if
I'm engaging in something creative
601
00:24:19,722 --> 00:24:24,702
that I haven't done before- … I give
myself permission to, um, in some ways
602
00:24:24,712 --> 00:24:26,572
pull a little Erykah Badu out, right?
603
00:24:26,572 --> 00:24:27,882
Like keep in mind I'm an artist.
604
00:24:28,242 --> 00:24:28,492
Yes.
605
00:24:28,492 --> 00:24:28,752
Right?
606
00:24:28,752 --> 00:24:29,272
You know?
607
00:24:29,272 --> 00:24:29,532
Yes.
608
00:24:29,532 --> 00:24:30,422
There's that part.
609
00:24:30,632 --> 00:24:34,382
But I think I also give myself
permission to say "Good for you,
610
00:24:34,382 --> 00:24:37,192
girl. You trying something out."
And like to call it adventure.
611
00:24:37,442 --> 00:24:37,662
Mm.
612
00:24:37,672 --> 00:24:41,692
Because adventure means like I don't
really know where this path li- it-
613
00:24:41,812 --> 00:24:43,642
Yes … will end me or how I'll feel.
614
00:24:43,652 --> 00:24:43,842
Right.
615
00:24:43,842 --> 00:24:45,262
But I know I'm still pursuing it.
616
00:24:45,292 --> 00:24:46,182
I'm strolling.
617
00:24:46,362 --> 00:24:46,512
Mm-hmm.
618
00:24:46,542 --> 00:24:47,252
I'm strolling.
619
00:24:47,302 --> 00:24:48,112
Mm-hmm.
620
00:24:48,112 --> 00:24:48,347
It's just a
621
00:24:48,347 --> 00:24:48,512
stroll.
622
00:24:48,512 --> 00:24:48,862
Yeah.
623
00:24:48,902 --> 00:24:51,612
Nobody counts the mileage and the
minutes when you're strolling.
624
00:24:51,862 --> 00:24:51,882
Mm-hmm.
625
00:24:51,892 --> 00:24:54,242
Nobody says like, "How
fast is your stroll?"
626
00:24:54,302 --> 00:24:54,912
That's right.
627
00:24:55,172 --> 00:24:55,252
It's
628
00:24:55,252 --> 00:24:56,562
like nobody says that.
629
00:24:57,292 --> 00:24:59,542
But if we start talking about running
a marathon, it's like, you know,
630
00:24:59,542 --> 00:25:00,592
what, what's your rates per mile?
631
00:25:00,612 --> 00:25:00,952
Mm-hmm.
632
00:25:01,022 --> 00:25:02,482
You know, we start comparing.
633
00:25:02,552 --> 00:25:02,942
Right.
634
00:25:03,092 --> 00:25:04,072
But a stroll.
635
00:25:05,112 --> 00:25:06,262
It's just a stroll.
636
00:25:06,472 --> 00:25:07,372
It's just a stroll.
637
00:25:07,382 --> 00:25:09,902
Whether you're in a wheelchair
or a walk or whatever, it's
638
00:25:09,902 --> 00:25:12,482
just moving along mindlessly.
639
00:25:12,482 --> 00:25:13,262
You're ambling.
640
00:25:13,482 --> 00:25:14,722
Let's see what this clay can do.
641
00:25:14,932 --> 00:25:15,392
I don't know.
642
00:25:16,932 --> 00:25:23,242
Yeah, and so it seems to me that
what's required of us to really
643
00:25:23,282 --> 00:25:27,172
allow ourselves into creative
expression is the letting go.
644
00:25:27,842 --> 00:25:28,507
Oh, that's
645
00:25:28,507 --> 00:25:28,802
right.
646
00:25:28,802 --> 00:25:30,122
It's the letting go.
647
00:25:30,622 --> 00:25:31,012
Yeah.
648
00:25:31,212 --> 00:25:37,072
I too, um, I used to proclaim myself
as- Mm … not a painter, right?
649
00:25:38,022 --> 00:25:42,602
And then I was invi- and I would avoid,
I would totally avoid paint and sips.
650
00:25:43,152 --> 00:25:45,592
I have a girlfriend- Oh … who would
just be doing these paint and sips, and
651
00:25:45,592 --> 00:25:49,922
I'd be like, "Ah, when you have a party
where we're dancing, invite me to that."
652
00:25:49,932 --> 00:25:49,952
Yeah.
653
00:25:50,212 --> 00:25:52,282
But I am not a painter.
654
00:25:52,532 --> 00:25:52,622
Yeah.
655
00:25:52,912 --> 00:25:53,782
Nor do I sip.
656
00:25:54,372 --> 00:25:54,502
Yeah.
657
00:25:55,412 --> 00:25:56,852
So, so what am I gonna do?
658
00:25:57,322 --> 00:25:58,242
Right, right, right.
659
00:25:58,342 --> 00:26:03,382
But then my neighbor invited me to this
Toastmasters Paint and Poetry, and me
660
00:26:03,382 --> 00:26:05,652
and my neighbor were- Mm … trying
to get together for a while.
661
00:26:05,652 --> 00:26:09,502
So I said, "Okay, I think I'm just
gonna, like, do the poetry part,"
662
00:26:09,502 --> 00:26:12,712
'cause that's a, an, a form of
expression that I'm familiar with.
663
00:26:12,922 --> 00:26:13,002
Yeah.
664
00:26:13,602 --> 00:26:14,662
I don't know that I'm gonna paint.
665
00:26:14,672 --> 00:26:15,352
We'll see.
666
00:26:15,352 --> 00:26:15,572
Yeah.
667
00:26:15,572 --> 00:26:15,792
Yes.
668
00:26:15,792 --> 00:26:15,992
Yeah.
669
00:26:16,042 --> 00:26:21,732
But I walk into the room- Yeah … and it
really is a paint with a side of poetry.
670
00:26:21,742 --> 00:26:21,772
Yes.
671
00:26:22,142 --> 00:26:24,422
So they set me up with the canvas.
672
00:26:24,722 --> 00:26:26,532
And I was like, "Whoop, well, we gonna see
673
00:26:28,552 --> 00:26:29,102
what happens."
674
00:26:29,102 --> 00:26:29,856
Yes, We gonna see what happens.
675
00:26:29,856 --> 00:26:30,866
This is an adventure.
676
00:26:31,066 --> 00:26:33,996
We don't know how it's gonna turn
out, but we gonna see what happens.
677
00:26:34,046 --> 00:26:34,546
That's right.
678
00:26:34,716 --> 00:26:39,776
And what I found is when I immersed
myself into the moment- I didn't
679
00:26:39,786 --> 00:26:44,626
realize how therapeutic painting
could be, just like I didn't realize
680
00:26:44,626 --> 00:26:46,256
how therapeutic gardening can be.
681
00:26:46,286 --> 00:26:46,526
Yes.
682
00:26:47,096 --> 00:26:47,286
Right?
683
00:26:47,996 --> 00:26:48,216
Yes.
684
00:26:48,286 --> 00:26:48,616
Right.
685
00:26:48,796 --> 00:26:49,056
Yes,
686
00:26:49,056 --> 00:26:52,181
yes, And my end product,
I was very impressed.
687
00:26:52,181 --> 00:26:56,331
I was like, "You did that. I mean,
you left some color out, some
688
00:26:56,341 --> 00:26:58,621
smudges outside," but I, I wasn't-
Right … even caring about that.
689
00:26:58,621 --> 00:26:58,741
Right.
690
00:26:58,741 --> 00:27:01,781
I had just given myself
permission for it to be imperfect.
691
00:27:01,781 --> 00:27:02,401
Yes.
692
00:27:02,401 --> 00:27:02,631
Yes.
693
00:27:02,631 --> 00:27:05,591
But I have that thing hung up
on the wall in my bedroom now.
694
00:27:05,651 --> 00:27:05,881
Yes,
695
00:27:05,881 --> 00:27:05,901
you do.
696
00:27:05,901 --> 00:27:06,291
You know?
697
00:27:06,291 --> 00:27:08,561
And that painter self was in there-
698
00:27:08,781 --> 00:27:09,441
Exactly … hiding
699
00:27:09,491 --> 00:27:11,541
right behind the self-critical self.
700
00:27:11,561 --> 00:27:12,281
Exactly.
701
00:27:12,471 --> 00:27:12,501
Mm-hmm.
702
00:27:12,531 --> 00:27:18,081
And the painter- painting is now a
reminder- Mm … of what I now enjoy
703
00:27:18,121 --> 00:27:19,681
that I didn't think that I could do.
704
00:27:20,561 --> 00:27:20,821
Yep.
705
00:27:21,541 --> 00:27:24,111
What I now enjoy that I
didn't think that I could do.
706
00:27:24,571 --> 00:27:24,871
Mm-hmm.
707
00:27:24,871 --> 00:27:24,901
Yes.
708
00:27:24,901 --> 00:27:27,821
And I bet when you look at it on
your wall, that is what you remember.
709
00:27:28,061 --> 00:27:28,431
Yes.
710
00:27:28,441 --> 00:27:29,451
It's not the strokes.
711
00:27:29,451 --> 00:27:30,221
It's not the colors.
712
00:27:30,221 --> 00:27:30,971
I mean, perhaps.
713
00:27:31,281 --> 00:27:31,301
No.
714
00:27:31,331 --> 00:27:33,841
But it's also the reminder
that I didn't think I could do
715
00:27:34,281 --> 00:27:34,301
it.
716
00:27:34,311 --> 00:27:34,921
Right.
717
00:27:35,131 --> 00:27:35,221
Definitely.
718
00:27:35,221 --> 00:27:35,291
That part.
719
00:27:35,291 --> 00:27:35,941
Mm-hmm.
720
00:27:36,951 --> 00:27:37,381
That part.
721
00:27:37,681 --> 00:27:37,891
Mm-hmm.
722
00:27:38,061 --> 00:27:41,771
And so now I'm seeking out, like,
oh, how can I… we did a paint
723
00:27:41,791 --> 00:27:44,891
and music- for New Year's Eve.
724
00:27:46,065 --> 00:27:47,035
And that was super fun.
725
00:27:47,035 --> 00:27:50,455
Sat and, listened to me and a girlfriend,
like same girlfriend in Houston
726
00:27:50,455 --> 00:27:51,445
invited me to all the paint and sips.
727
00:27:51,455 --> 00:27:51,475
Yeah.
728
00:27:51,645 --> 00:27:54,725
I said, "Come on. Come on over
now. , You can- I'm gonna let
729
00:27:54,725 --> 00:27:55,525
you host this paint and sip." She
730
00:27:55,525 --> 00:27:56,185
didn't give up.
731
00:27:56,765 --> 00:27:57,065
Right.
732
00:27:57,335 --> 00:27:58,485
I said, "Come on over."
733
00:27:58,815 --> 00:28:00,705
So now it's a part of my lexicon.
734
00:28:00,755 --> 00:28:05,545
Like I know I'm not perfect and I don't
wanna be but I know I can create beauty in
735
00:28:05,545 --> 00:28:09,565
the way that I see the beauty And I know
that sometimes that won't be so beautiful.
736
00:28:11,145 --> 00:28:13,335
But like, since you mentioned,
you said something earlier
737
00:28:13,335 --> 00:28:14,995
about something you made up.
738
00:28:15,055 --> 00:28:15,635
Like I made it up.
739
00:28:15,805 --> 00:28:15,865
Yeah.
740
00:28:16,375 --> 00:28:17,955
Everybody's making shit up.
741
00:28:17,995 --> 00:28:19,515
We are all making it up.
742
00:28:19,515 --> 00:28:19,615
Who's
743
00:28:20,235 --> 00:28:20,395
not?
744
00:28:20,695 --> 00:28:21,305
Mm-hmm.
745
00:28:21,305 --> 00:28:21,745
Who's not?
746
00:28:21,745 --> 00:28:24,915
I think about like things about
anxiety, I think about Stevie
747
00:28:24,915 --> 00:28:26,705
Wonder saying he still gets nervous.
748
00:28:26,705 --> 00:28:27,745
I'm like, "Oh." Mm-hmm.
749
00:28:27,785 --> 00:28:31,195
I'm thinking about like him on that
harmonica for the first time, I don't
750
00:28:31,195 --> 00:28:32,865
know that it sounded like a melody.
751
00:28:33,125 --> 00:28:33,395
Mm-hmm.
752
00:28:33,415 --> 00:28:37,705
But I think to his ears, and I think
sometimes it's enough to say, "This ain't
753
00:28:37,705 --> 00:28:39,435
for everybody. This is for me." Yeah.
754
00:28:40,155 --> 00:28:40,185
Yes.
755
00:28:40,185 --> 00:28:40,685
"This is for my wall."
756
00:28:40,685 --> 00:28:41,275
Mm-hmm.
757
00:28:41,325 --> 00:28:43,025
This poetry is for my ears.
758
00:28:43,185 --> 00:28:43,415
Mm-hmm.
759
00:28:43,425 --> 00:28:47,105
But we do sometimes imagine that it has to
be mass produced and made commercial for
760
00:28:47,105 --> 00:28:48,685
things to feel- … like it's art, right?
761
00:28:48,685 --> 00:28:49,695
Like, is it really good?
762
00:28:49,695 --> 00:28:49,735
Yeah.
763
00:28:49,735 --> 00:28:50,455
Would you buy it?
764
00:28:50,475 --> 00:28:51,845
People say that, "Well,
would you buy it?" Hmm.
765
00:28:52,035 --> 00:28:53,835
Like maybe it's not for purchase.
766
00:28:53,975 --> 00:28:55,025
It's not for purchase.
767
00:28:55,325 --> 00:29:00,365
Maybe it's for the purpose- Mm-hmm … of
me being reminded that I made something.
768
00:29:00,665 --> 00:29:01,195
That's right.
769
00:29:01,305 --> 00:29:03,325
If we take like, "Is
this good for the 'Gram?
770
00:29:03,595 --> 00:29:05,025
Do I have to put this on Facebook?
771
00:29:05,245 --> 00:29:08,355
Do I need to be able to sell this in
a boutique?" If you take all of that
772
00:29:08,365 --> 00:29:10,105
out, "Will anyone else wanna eat it?
773
00:29:10,255 --> 00:29:12,675
Is this really that delicious?" And
just go- Mm … "Do I like it?" Mm-hmm.
774
00:29:12,975 --> 00:29:15,165
Or, "Do I, have I enjoyed the experience?"
775
00:29:15,345 --> 00:29:16,265
Mm-hmm.
776
00:29:16,265 --> 00:29:19,505
Then that opens up new doors
of being able to, I think
777
00:29:19,505 --> 00:29:21,615
interpret the act of creativity.
778
00:29:21,845 --> 00:29:22,105
Yes.
779
00:29:22,105 --> 00:29:26,905
'
Cause you're not doing it for
anything other than just creating.
780
00:29:26,995 --> 00:29:27,315
Yes.
781
00:29:27,395 --> 00:29:29,765
And delighting yourself and
maybe surprising yourself too.
782
00:29:30,095 --> 00:29:31,615
Listen, improvving life.
783
00:29:32,493 --> 00:29:33,433
Oh, write it
784
00:29:35,763 --> 00:29:36,413
down Improves life It is for
785
00:29:37,233 --> 00:29:37,253
you.
786
00:29:37,483 --> 00:29:40,483
That's why we like karaoke, 'cause
nobody expects you to get up there
787
00:29:40,483 --> 00:29:41,883
and sound like anything but you.
788
00:29:42,313 --> 00:29:43,873
In fact, it be opposite.
789
00:29:43,873 --> 00:29:45,733
It's more fun when you don't.
790
00:29:46,983 --> 00:29:47,013
Right?
791
00:29:47,013 --> 00:29:49,293
You're like, "I'm gonna struggle
on this note, y'all," and
792
00:29:49,293 --> 00:29:50,753
everybody sings it with you, right?
793
00:29:51,133 --> 00:29:51,363
That's right.
794
00:29:51,393 --> 00:29:55,293
Imagine if… You know, and I think
we are driven by this idea of making
795
00:29:55,403 --> 00:29:57,403
everything commercial and professional.
796
00:29:57,413 --> 00:29:58,893
And it can take the joy out of it.
797
00:29:59,033 --> 00:29:59,233
Yes.
798
00:29:59,243 --> 00:30:02,393
It's like, "you did such a good job,
Maiysha. You think you can do 20 of these
799
00:30:02,393 --> 00:30:03,723
and we can sell them somewhere?" Like,
800
00:30:04,543 --> 00:30:05,123
no.
801
00:30:06,513 --> 00:30:06,533
No.
802
00:30:07,903 --> 00:30:09,203
That wasn't why I did it.
803
00:30:09,663 --> 00:30:12,623
But even that, like that exercise
of going from, "I don't know if
804
00:30:12,623 --> 00:30:16,153
I'm good at this," to, "Wow, I
did that," emotional resilience.
805
00:30:16,153 --> 00:30:16,533
Yes.
806
00:30:16,583 --> 00:30:16,963
Yes.
807
00:30:17,043 --> 00:30:20,443
Tell me something else I may not be
good at and watch me do that thing.
808
00:30:20,453 --> 00:30:20,473
You
809
00:30:20,473 --> 00:30:21,263
do that thing.
810
00:30:21,303 --> 00:30:21,753
Yes.
811
00:30:21,753 --> 00:30:22,133
Mm-hmm.
812
00:30:22,133 --> 00:30:22,323
Yes.
813
00:30:22,323 --> 00:30:23,203
In my own way.
814
00:30:23,756 --> 00:30:28,776
So maybe if even in our storytelling
we talked more about the pursuit
815
00:30:28,866 --> 00:30:31,176
of creating this bountiful garden-
816
00:30:31,246 --> 00:30:33,636
…
And less about, "Look at
all that I harvested."
817
00:30:33,916 --> 00:30:34,456
Yes.
818
00:30:34,516 --> 00:30:34,786
That…
819
00:30:34,826 --> 00:30:35,156
Right?
820
00:30:35,156 --> 00:30:37,116
We talked about, like, going
in and going, "Oh, God.
821
00:30:37,116 --> 00:30:37,646
It's a canvas.
822
00:30:37,646 --> 00:30:40,076
I'm not really sure how to do this,"
and less about, like, "Look at this
823
00:30:40,116 --> 00:30:41,876
beautiful display of all my work." Mm-hmm.
824
00:30:41,886 --> 00:30:44,536
Because that, the performance
of it is not the point.
825
00:30:44,536 --> 00:30:45,846
But the pursuit of it is.
826
00:30:46,056 --> 00:30:46,426
Yes.
827
00:30:46,466 --> 00:30:48,516
And uncertainty is in all of it.
828
00:30:48,516 --> 00:30:51,266
You really don't know if that seed's
gonna give you kale, or it might have got
829
00:30:51,266 --> 00:30:52,806
mixed up and you got some Swiss chard.
830
00:30:52,826 --> 00:30:53,156
You don't know.
831
00:30:53,406 --> 00:30:53,866
You can't tell.
832
00:30:54,446 --> 00:30:54,606
It's scary.
833
00:30:55,526 --> 00:30:56,786
Right.
834
00:30:56,786 --> 00:31:01,346
But, like, the point is, like,
the hands in the soil, right?
835
00:31:01,356 --> 00:31:01,376
Mm-hmm.
836
00:31:01,386 --> 00:31:04,966
it's the fight to make sure those possums
don't get everything out of that garden.
837
00:31:05,426 --> 00:31:05,456
Yes,
838
00:31:05,546 --> 00:31:06,656
mm-hmm.
839
00:31:06,656 --> 00:31:07,356
Ma'am,
840
00:31:07,446 --> 00:31:07,556
ma'am.
841
00:31:07,556 --> 00:31:08,266
The netting.
842
00:31:08,276 --> 00:31:08,846
the net.
843
00:31:08,936 --> 00:31:09,616
I've had to put the net
844
00:31:09,616 --> 00:31:09,636
up.
845
00:31:09,636 --> 00:31:11,276
Mine went under the net.
846
00:31:11,386 --> 00:31:15,036
The raccoons went under… And
do you know now that collard
847
00:31:15,036 --> 00:31:16,276
green has re-seeded itself?
848
00:31:16,286 --> 00:31:17,876
I just, I left it alone.
849
00:31:18,136 --> 00:31:18,456
Oh,
850
00:31:18,496 --> 00:31:19,286
wow.
851
00:31:19,366 --> 00:31:19,796
That's what I'm talking
852
00:31:19,796 --> 00:31:19,889
about.
853
00:31:19,889 --> 00:31:22,416
And I think that's some
natural creativity.
854
00:31:22,446 --> 00:31:22,726
Yes.
855
00:31:22,736 --> 00:31:22,806
Right?
856
00:31:22,806 --> 00:31:23,706
Like, "You know what?
857
00:31:23,706 --> 00:31:24,396
Stop watching me.
858
00:31:24,396 --> 00:31:24,926
Let me work.
859
00:31:25,046 --> 00:31:25,996
Let me see what I'm gonna do."
860
00:31:26,186 --> 00:31:26,306
Yeah.
861
00:31:26,846 --> 00:31:27,126
Girl.
862
00:31:27,186 --> 00:31:28,046
And so same thing.
863
00:31:28,066 --> 00:31:29,426
I don't know what this painting gonna be.
864
00:31:29,436 --> 00:31:29,686
Mm-hmm.
865
00:31:29,696 --> 00:31:34,056
And I have to believe that the greats,
right, the people that we put in museums
866
00:31:34,176 --> 00:31:38,456
also worked through those moments- … of,
like, uncertainty is part of the I
867
00:31:38,476 --> 00:31:40,386
don't know what this is gonna look like.
868
00:31:40,626 --> 00:31:40,886
Yeah.
869
00:31:40,906 --> 00:31:41,766
But it's gonna be something.
870
00:31:42,866 --> 00:31:47,666
And most likely, the things that they
least thought would take them somewhere
871
00:31:47,666 --> 00:31:49,756
were the things that we all remember.
872
00:31:52,344 --> 00:31:52,984
And
873
00:31:52,984 --> 00:31:57,084
that does not get put in how
we tell the story sometimes.
874
00:31:57,084 --> 00:31:57,144
Mm-hmm.
875
00:31:57,254 --> 00:32:00,994
We don't talk about, like, "Well, that
wasn't even my best draft of that."
876
00:32:01,184 --> 00:32:01,824
Okay.
877
00:32:02,144 --> 00:32:02,224
Right.
878
00:32:02,224 --> 00:32:02,604
We don't.
879
00:32:02,614 --> 00:32:06,324
We go right to finished product and making
sure it looks polished, and we miss all
880
00:32:06,324 --> 00:32:07,904
of this beautiful stuff in the middle.
881
00:32:08,084 --> 00:32:08,584
That's right.
882
00:32:08,644 --> 00:32:10,984
That's the invitation for
us to be creative, and
883
00:32:10,984 --> 00:32:12,624
therefore emotional resilient.
884
00:32:13,034 --> 00:32:13,574
That's right.
885
00:32:13,964 --> 00:32:15,494
So, I wanna, riff for a moment.
886
00:32:15,654 --> 00:32:19,304
let's just start naming all the ways
that people can creatively express.
887
00:32:19,354 --> 00:32:21,064
we've talked about painting,
we've talked about writing.
888
00:32:21,124 --> 00:32:22,644
Like, what are all the ways?
889
00:32:22,674 --> 00:32:24,834
Yeah … I'm gonna say, 'cause
you mentioned it earlier-
890
00:32:25,074 --> 00:32:25,304
Yeah
891
00:32:25,484 --> 00:32:26,184
…
cooking.
892
00:32:27,344 --> 00:32:28,034
Absolutely.
893
00:32:28,034 --> 00:32:29,154
With recipe or not.
894
00:32:29,494 --> 00:32:30,774
With recipe or not.
895
00:32:31,044 --> 00:32:34,934
Creative cooking sometimes- Mm … is
by taste- Yep … or by imagination.
896
00:32:35,384 --> 00:32:35,644
And- Or by
897
00:32:35,644 --> 00:32:36,484
imagination.
898
00:32:36,544 --> 00:32:36,594
That's right
899
00:32:36,594 --> 00:32:38,534
the way you intended or not.
900
00:32:38,594 --> 00:32:38,914
Mm-hmm.
901
00:32:38,924 --> 00:32:40,484
And sometimes better, and sometimes-
902
00:32:40,484 --> 00:32:40,644
Yes.
903
00:32:41,224 --> 00:32:42,374
…
we're running down the drain.
904
00:32:42,754 --> 00:32:43,344
Absolutely.
905
00:32:43,544 --> 00:32:44,634
I think fashion-
906
00:32:45,272 --> 00:32:45,752
Ooh
907
00:32:45,952 --> 00:32:49,212
I think like getting a, there's, I
have given myself permission to wear
908
00:32:49,212 --> 00:32:52,702
things that back in seventh grade Tasnim
would've been like, "That don't match."
909
00:32:53,182 --> 00:32:53,702
Yes.
910
00:32:53,732 --> 00:32:56,852
'
Cause that's, that shade of red or
that shade of brown is not… And now
911
00:32:56,852 --> 00:33:00,692
I'm saying to myself, "Oh, but it's
beautiful," and that's the point.
912
00:33:00,752 --> 00:33:00,782
Yes.
913
00:33:01,052 --> 00:33:03,162
I would say fashion is
creativity for sure.
914
00:33:03,182 --> 00:33:09,932
I absolutely, and right along the same
veins- … is makeup and hair- Same.
915
00:33:09,932 --> 00:33:10,552
… is creativity.
916
00:33:10,942 --> 00:33:13,532
Girl, let me tell you, when I was
going to do my TEDx that morning,
917
00:33:13,532 --> 00:33:14,692
I went to the makeup artist.
918
00:33:15,052 --> 00:33:15,762
Yeah.
919
00:33:15,852 --> 00:33:21,492
When the way she was focused in what she
was doing, I was like- Yeah … I told
920
00:33:21,492 --> 00:33:25,682
her, I was like, "You a whole artist." She
had me, as the kids say, she had me beat.
921
00:33:26,342 --> 00:33:28,202
Girl, You was a gods.
922
00:33:28,472 --> 00:33:29,872
You was beat all the way.
923
00:33:30,592 --> 00:33:35,222
I was like, "Girl, I if it wasn't for
my, germaphobia, I would go to sleep in
924
00:33:35,242 --> 00:33:36,382
this and wear it for a couple of days."
925
00:33:37,972 --> 00:33:39,805
But I can't lay on a pillow
with makeup on my face.
926
00:33:39,805 --> 00:33:40,169
You can't, you
927
00:33:40,169 --> 00:33:40,533
can't do it.
928
00:33:40,533 --> 00:33:40,775
You can't
929
00:33:40,775 --> 00:33:41,018
do it.
930
00:33:41,018 --> 00:33:41,532
I can't clog my
931
00:33:41,532 --> 00:33:41,942
pores.
932
00:33:41,942 --> 00:33:42,807
My skin is too good, girl.
933
00:33:42,807 --> 00:33:43,314
That's… No, no,
934
00:33:43,314 --> 00:33:44,492
come on dermatology.
935
00:33:44,492 --> 00:33:44,932
Right.
936
00:33:44,932 --> 00:33:45,372
Right,
937
00:33:45,372 --> 00:33:45,812
right.
938
00:33:45,812 --> 00:33:46,792
Like mm-mm,
939
00:33:46,802 --> 00:33:47,542
that's not good for my skin.
940
00:33:47,542 --> 00:33:48,059
your skin.
941
00:33:48,059 --> 00:33:52,679
But, but like I think that is,
people like underestimate the level
942
00:33:52,679 --> 00:33:58,009
of artistry and creativity- Mm. it
takes to put makeup on in a way that
943
00:33:58,029 --> 00:34:01,559
compliments each individual's face.
944
00:34:03,375 --> 00:34:07,095
Before we get back to the episode,
I wanna take a moment to share
945
00:34:07,095 --> 00:34:08,255
something close to my heart.
946
00:34:08,835 --> 00:34:13,615
17 years ago, someone saw my leadership
before I could see it myself.
947
00:34:14,185 --> 00:34:18,465
That experience changed everything
for me, and that's exactly why
948
00:34:18,515 --> 00:34:20,615
I created the Remap Cohort.
949
00:34:20,955 --> 00:34:25,855
If you're a woman physician or leader
in healthcare who's tired of being
950
00:34:25,855 --> 00:34:30,125
talked over, burned out from carrying
conversations you don't have language
951
00:34:30,125 --> 00:34:34,865
for, or just craving a space where
you don't have to explain being the
952
00:34:34,905 --> 00:34:37,155
only one in the room, this is for you.
953
00:34:38,085 --> 00:34:43,485
Remap is a four-month cohort, a small,
intimate community for women physicians
954
00:34:43,715 --> 00:34:48,535
and leaders in healthcare where you'll
build real communication skills and
955
00:34:48,605 --> 00:34:54,045
community, navigate the hard stuff, and
yes, earn CME credit in the process.
956
00:34:54,405 --> 00:34:58,405
22 category one AMA CME to be exact.
957
00:34:58,545 --> 00:35:01,745
Listen, you deserve a space that
pours into you, not one that
958
00:35:01,745 --> 00:35:03,325
continues to extract from you.
959
00:35:03,435 --> 00:35:07,325
Find out more, reserve your spot,
or schedule a discovery call
960
00:35:07,415 --> 00:35:11,005
at mindremappingacademy.com.
961
00:35:11,245 --> 00:35:13,075
Also, the link is in the show notes.
962
00:35:14,007 --> 00:35:17,777
I'm good for a two-minute face, and I say-
Yes … I do a darn good job with that.
963
00:35:17,997 --> 00:35:19,857
But this sister right here.
964
00:35:19,967 --> 00:35:21,347
Absolutely.
965
00:35:21,477 --> 00:35:22,407
Agreed.
966
00:35:22,727 --> 00:35:23,057
Agree.
967
00:35:23,057 --> 00:35:24,207
Can I throw another one out there?
968
00:35:24,207 --> 00:35:28,157
First of all, let's shout out the
fact that we are now two TEDxes in.
969
00:35:28,167 --> 00:35:28,177
Oh.
970
00:35:28,217 --> 00:35:29,797
Just wanna put that in there.
971
00:35:30,797 --> 00:35:32,187
I think language.
972
00:35:32,377 --> 00:35:32,797
Yes.
973
00:35:32,797 --> 00:35:32,837
Of
974
00:35:32,837 --> 00:35:32,877
course.
975
00:35:32,877 --> 00:35:36,567
I think the moment, and you and I have
it, and we do it all the time, the
976
00:35:36,567 --> 00:35:40,537
moment when you meet somebody and you
have a home speak, a language that is
977
00:35:40,537 --> 00:35:43,847
reserved for those who make your heart
beat a little faster- Yes … and you
978
00:35:43,847 --> 00:35:47,937
meet that person, and it just one word,
sis, one word, and you go, "Girl."
979
00:35:49,377 --> 00:35:49,407
Right.
980
00:35:49,407 --> 00:35:50,022
You right.
981
00:35:50,022 --> 00:35:52,767
And you keep it going
till it's like a trill.
982
00:35:53,007 --> 00:35:53,297
Yes.
983
00:35:53,337 --> 00:35:55,407
That is creative.
984
00:35:55,597 --> 00:35:55,627
Yes.
985
00:35:55,637 --> 00:35:58,987
Or like the way that we dap 'em
up or we go, "All right." Yeah.
986
00:35:58,987 --> 00:36:03,217
Like, what is that… All of, the way
we have fun with the language, right?
987
00:36:03,257 --> 00:36:03,997
Yes.
988
00:36:04,167 --> 00:36:04,527
Yes.
989
00:36:04,527 --> 00:36:05,687
It is… I was doing AI.
990
00:36:05,687 --> 00:36:07,537
I ha- I asked AI a question.
991
00:36:07,537 --> 00:36:09,337
Me and my girls are playing around
with AI, and I was like, "Let's just
992
00:36:09,337 --> 00:36:10,777
play with AI," and I was using Claude.
993
00:36:10,777 --> 00:36:14,507
I said, "Let's ask him to reframe this
response in Black English," and my
994
00:36:14,507 --> 00:36:16,317
daughters are like, "What?" And girl.
995
00:36:17,017 --> 00:36:17,047
What?
996
00:36:17,047 --> 00:36:17,067
Do
997
00:36:17,207 --> 00:36:20,727
you, do you know Claude was
like, Claude said, "All right.
998
00:36:20,777 --> 00:36:21,557
Boom." I said,
999
00:36:24,127 --> 00:36:24,177
"Oh." What?
1000
00:36:24,177 --> 00:36:24,187
Claude.
1001
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,349
And in that moment we went from, like,
interrogating AI and and its uses
1002
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:32,129
and its abuses to, like, having fun.
1003
00:36:32,219 --> 00:36:32,779
Yes.
1004
00:36:33,009 --> 00:36:36,349
And we started- Yeah … playing around
with and it, it became, like, creative,
1005
00:36:36,349 --> 00:36:37,999
and our language becomes creative.
1006
00:36:37,999 --> 00:36:41,179
And- Yeah … I tease the girls, like
you just said, you know, my face is beat.
1007
00:36:41,439 --> 00:36:42,969
Or little things that we do.
1008
00:36:42,969 --> 00:36:46,559
There's a whole scene in something I
watched, She The People on Netflix, right?
1009
00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:46,939
Oh, yes.
1010
00:36:46,939 --> 00:36:50,899
Total… And do you remember that scene
where they didn't speak, all they did was
1011
00:36:51,469 --> 00:36:51,739
Yep.
1012
00:36:53,709 --> 00:36:53,969
Yes.
1013
00:36:54,509 --> 00:36:56,659
And that in itself was a language.
1014
00:36:56,929 --> 00:36:57,319
Yes.
1015
00:36:57,329 --> 00:37:00,159
So if you say if Delson says,
"Can I go to the bathroom?" And
1016
00:37:00,169 --> 00:37:02,289
you like, he knows that mean no.
1017
00:37:02,489 --> 00:37:03,089
Exactly.
1018
00:37:03,089 --> 00:37:04,679
I love how we teach it.
1019
00:37:04,939 --> 00:37:07,759
I love how we play with
movement and language.
1020
00:37:08,009 --> 00:37:13,459
I love how even gestures and utterances
become a whole language unto themselves.
1021
00:37:13,469 --> 00:37:16,549
And I don't know nobody, I'm sure
in other places they will proclaim
1022
00:37:16,549 --> 00:37:19,379
this, but I don't know nobody
don't do it like African people.
1023
00:37:19,529 --> 00:37:20,889
The way we take a
1024
00:37:21,329 --> 00:37:21,609
Yeah.
1025
00:37:21,609 --> 00:37:21,819
Right.
1026
00:37:23,429 --> 00:37:23,459
What?
1027
00:37:24,329 --> 00:37:24,714
Or a
1028
00:37:24,714 --> 00:37:24,829
"
Tsk." How?
1029
00:37:24,829 --> 00:37:25,959
Tsk.
1030
00:37:25,959 --> 00:37:30,609
G- You can be in Jamaica, you can be
in Ecuador, you can be in Ghana- Right
1031
00:37:30,619 --> 00:37:34,354
or Harlem or Atlanta, Black people
all will have these little tsk.
1032
00:37:34,354 --> 00:37:34,939
Mm-mm.
1033
00:37:34,939 --> 00:37:35,404
Mm-mm"
1034
00:37:35,644 --> 00:37:36,244
I know you didn't.
1035
00:37:36,244 --> 00:37:36,264
My
1036
00:37:36,264 --> 00:37:41,504
15-year-old, I asked her a question, she
go, hmm." I'm like, I'm like, "Stop being
1037
00:37:41,534 --> 00:37:43,784
smart." And she's like, "I didn't say
anything." I'm like, "Y- y- yes you did.
1038
00:37:44,134 --> 00:37:45,514
You said 'mm' the way you said
'mm' no." The way you said "mm."
1039
00:37:45,514 --> 00:37:45,574
Mm. The way you said it.
1040
00:37:45,574 --> 00:37:45,774
The way you move your lips, Mai
Mai, the way you do like… I was
1041
00:37:46,564 --> 00:37:46,624
like… Side
1042
00:37:46,624 --> 00:37:46,691
eye.
1043
00:37:46,691 --> 00:37:47,004
How do we learn
1044
00:37:49,584 --> 00:37:49,684
that?
1045
00:37:50,944 --> 00:37:51,134
The
1046
00:37:53,194 --> 00:37:56,074
side eye, you know.
1047
00:37:56,164 --> 00:37:56,264
It's,
1048
00:37:56,654 --> 00:38:00,074
this is proof that if someone says
I'm not creative like that, we are
1049
00:38:00,074 --> 00:38:02,464
walking creatives all the time.
1050
00:38:02,584 --> 00:38:05,534
We just don't consider
that to be creativity.
1051
00:38:05,644 --> 00:38:06,414
But it is.
1052
00:38:06,424 --> 00:38:09,424
It's when you bring nuance to
a thing, when you add a little,
1053
00:38:09,644 --> 00:38:11,364
you know, little jeje, right?
1054
00:38:11,374 --> 00:38:11,404
Yes.
1055
00:38:11,414 --> 00:38:14,444
It's that extra dash of hot
sauce on top of the deviled eggs.
1056
00:38:14,914 --> 00:38:15,654
Mm-hmm.
1057
00:38:15,684 --> 00:38:15,854
Who put hot sauce on their deviled eggs?
1058
00:38:15,854 --> 00:38:16,204
Who do that?
1059
00:38:16,404 --> 00:38:16,689
They… Somebody.
1060
00:38:16,689 --> 00:38:16,804
Creative.
1061
00:38:16,804 --> 00:38:16,919
Right.
1062
00:38:16,919 --> 00:38:17,034
Creative.
1063
00:38:17,034 --> 00:38:17,384
Somebody
1064
00:38:17,404 --> 00:38:17,424
do.
1065
00:38:18,044 --> 00:38:18,234
Right.
1066
00:38:20,724 --> 00:38:25,154
And so all of that playing and just,
like, how do I put my own spin on it?
1067
00:38:25,334 --> 00:38:25,494
Yeah.
1068
00:38:25,624 --> 00:38:26,414
Creative.
1069
00:38:26,564 --> 00:38:26,934
Yes.
1070
00:38:27,154 --> 00:38:29,914
And maybe we won't say, "Well,
those people are creative," or,
1071
00:38:29,914 --> 00:38:31,994
"You know, they do it because
they're creative." No, you too.
1072
00:38:32,184 --> 00:38:35,614
… You're breathing- You're creative
… and therefore you're doing it.
1073
00:38:35,982 --> 00:38:36,052
That's right.
1074
00:38:36,052 --> 00:38:36,088
That's right.
1075
00:38:36,088 --> 00:38:40,342
And so re- a reframe leaves us all
feeling, I think, very capable.
1076
00:38:40,652 --> 00:38:43,682
Of putting a little shine or
a little twist on something.
1077
00:38:43,882 --> 00:38:44,072
Mm-hmm.
1078
00:38:44,072 --> 00:38:46,932
And like, you know, "Hmm. Okay.
I thought I was an accountant,
1079
00:38:46,972 --> 00:38:48,372
but clearly I'm a creative."
1080
00:38:48,752 --> 00:38:48,842
Right?
1081
00:38:49,402 --> 00:38:49,492
Yes.
1082
00:38:49,492 --> 00:38:49,572
Yeah.
1083
00:38:49,642 --> 00:38:51,432
You are a numerical creative.
1084
00:38:52,272 --> 00:38:52,372
Boom.
1085
00:38:52,572 --> 00:38:53,662
Boom.
1086
00:38:53,812 --> 00:38:54,202
Boom.
1087
00:38:54,202 --> 00:38:54,542
There you go.
1088
00:38:55,862 --> 00:38:56,505
That's what I'm talking about.
1089
00:38:56,505 --> 00:38:56,891
I like that.
1090
00:38:56,891 --> 00:38:57,020
Yeah.
1091
00:38:57,020 --> 00:38:59,550
I wanna throw one more in there-
Okay … 'cause I, I- Yeah … my
1092
00:38:59,550 --> 00:39:01,080
sister, she's a creative like this.
1093
00:39:01,390 --> 00:39:01,410
Yeah.
1094
00:39:01,450 --> 00:39:06,406
And that is- interior
design, designing spaces.
1095
00:39:07,206 --> 00:39:11,066
'Cause, 'cause I can say
that I am not great at that.
1096
00:39:11,066 --> 00:39:14,206
I r- rely on some people for that, right?
1097
00:39:14,206 --> 00:39:14,556
Yeah, I feel you.
1098
00:39:14,556 --> 00:39:17,246
I mean, I, you know,
color coordination, eeh.
1099
00:39:17,336 --> 00:39:17,546
Absolutely.
1100
00:39:18,006 --> 00:39:18,036
Yes.
1101
00:39:18,036 --> 00:39:18,376
But,
1102
00:39:18,376 --> 00:39:20,866
but you know, like I
think that's a gift too.
1103
00:39:21,066 --> 00:39:22,876
Oh my God, absolutely.
1104
00:39:22,876 --> 00:39:22,896
People who
1105
00:39:22,896 --> 00:39:27,016
can work with spaces, whether they're
whole houses, whether they're little
1106
00:39:27,016 --> 00:39:31,396
tiny spaces- Absolutely … I think that
is just magical to see people do that.
1107
00:39:31,396 --> 00:39:31,406
Oh,
1108
00:39:31,426 --> 00:39:36,156
And it's like they see something
in a blank room that other people
1109
00:39:36,156 --> 00:39:37,886
do not see in that same way.
1110
00:39:38,306 --> 00:39:38,726
Yes.
1111
00:39:38,826 --> 00:39:43,730
And I like to just- sit
back and go, "Let 'em walk.
1112
00:39:43,780 --> 00:39:45,720
Let 'em work." I'm just like, "Whoa."
1113
00:39:46,070 --> 00:39:46,310
Mm-hmm.
1114
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:47,720
I absolutely agree with you.
1115
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:50,090
Where to put that painting,
how high to put it.
1116
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:53,460
There's a science to it for some folks,
but it's also- Mm … a soul to it.
1117
00:39:53,570 --> 00:39:53,980
It is.
1118
00:39:53,980 --> 00:39:54,170
Like, it's like-
1119
00:39:54,170 --> 00:39:54,460
Yeah, it's a
1120
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:55,050
feeling
1121
00:39:55,340 --> 00:39:56,080
…
yeah, it's a feeling.
1122
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:56,180
Some
1123
00:39:56,330 --> 00:39:56,620
sway.
1124
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,290
Oh, they, boom.
1125
00:39:59,110 --> 00:39:59,580
Yes.
1126
00:39:59,620 --> 00:40:00,390
Yep, absolutely.
1127
00:40:00,390 --> 00:40:04,400
And you walk into that room feeling
like, "Oh." The placement of flowers.
1128
00:40:04,540 --> 00:40:04,820
Yes.
1129
00:40:04,820 --> 00:40:06,540
Where to put the mirror, right?
1130
00:40:06,540 --> 00:40:06,750
Mm-hmm.
1131
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,080
What color accent… Your house has a
lot of beautiful accent walls and colors.
1132
00:40:10,210 --> 00:40:12,240
What is that color
gonna make me feel like?
1133
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:12,500
Yeah.
1134
00:40:12,500 --> 00:40:13,490
Yeah, people are gifted.
1135
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:14,330
They got that gift.
1136
00:40:14,590 --> 00:40:15,510
They be doing that.
1137
00:40:15,530 --> 00:40:15,820
They be
1138
00:40:15,830 --> 00:40:15,930
doing that.
1139
00:40:15,930 --> 00:40:16,690
Yeah, they do.
1140
00:40:16,740 --> 00:40:17,070
Yeah.
1141
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:17,160
Appreciate
1142
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:17,280
it.
1143
00:40:17,830 --> 00:40:21,270
I think, you know, there's so many things
we could, we could go on, but I wanted
1144
00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:26,470
to demonstrate for the audience, like-
Mm … we just went through a whole list.
1145
00:40:26,660 --> 00:40:32,270
I had a, uh, one of my TEDx cohorts
on who, she does design thinking.
1146
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:32,290
Oh.
1147
00:40:32,670 --> 00:40:39,110
And the way she described what she does,
I was like, "Oh, that in and of itself
1148
00:40:39,230 --> 00:40:40,440
is a creative process." Creativity.
1149
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:41,390
That's right.
1150
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,780
I envision the movie A Beautiful Mind.
1151
00:40:45,060 --> 00:40:47,760
, The part of the movie where,
you know, there's, like, all the
1152
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,180
numbers, like, floating across and,
you know, like, Russell Crowe's,
1153
00:40:51,250 --> 00:40:54,820
like, seeing all the things and
it's like seeing the puzzle in- Yes
1154
00:40:54,890 --> 00:40:57,200
On the screen that doesn't-
Yes … ex- exist, right?
1155
00:40:57,220 --> 00:40:57,950
But still it's there.
1156
00:40:57,950 --> 00:40:57,990
Yes, yes.
1157
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,060
Like A Beautiful Mind.
1158
00:40:59,060 --> 00:40:59,690
Mm-hmm.
1159
00:40:59,690 --> 00:41:04,200
And I think that's a level of creativity
and I just want the audience to take
1160
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:09,610
away whatever you're gonna take away, but
also- Mm … to take away that there are
1161
00:41:09,710 --> 00:41:14,970
so many creative avenues that you haven't
even considered inside of yourself.
1162
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:15,950
Absolutely.
1163
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:19,868
And I think creative avenues that you're
already walking down- That part … that
1164
00:41:19,868 --> 00:41:21,330
you don't consider to be creative.
1165
00:41:21,570 --> 00:41:22,060
That part.
1166
00:41:22,060 --> 00:41:22,080
Yeah.
1167
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,530
Because they feel natural to
you, because you think creativity
1168
00:41:24,530 --> 00:41:25,730
has to feel uncomfortable.
1169
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:26,320
That's right.
1170
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,660
But y- I think we are natural creatives.
1171
00:41:28,660 --> 00:41:29,030
Mm-hmm.
1172
00:41:29,060 --> 00:41:31,700
We can give ourselves
permission to admit it- Yes
1173
00:41:31,700 --> 00:41:32,850
and to pour more into us.
1174
00:41:33,050 --> 00:41:33,140
Mm-hmm.
1175
00:41:33,140 --> 00:41:35,700
Every time we look at young
girls with their edges swooped.
1176
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:37,240
Yes.
1177
00:41:37,380 --> 00:41:38,050
That's creative.
1178
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:38,540
Yes.
1179
00:41:38,540 --> 00:41:41,100
People with their nails,
Flow Jo nails and you- Oh,
1180
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:41,480
yes
1181
00:41:41,550 --> 00:41:42,670
…
that's creative.
1182
00:41:42,670 --> 00:41:42,970
Yes.
1183
00:41:42,970 --> 00:41:43,550
Yes.
1184
00:41:43,550 --> 00:41:44,050
Right?
1185
00:41:44,050 --> 00:41:46,160
When you style- Yes … your
jeans a certain way.
1186
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,900
Creative … wear two different
color socks on purpose.
1187
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:49,870
different
1188
00:41:51,140 --> 00:41:51,450
colors.
1189
00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:53,150
Or different colors.
1190
00:41:53,150 --> 00:41:53,610
Right.
1191
00:41:54,250 --> 00:41:54,360
Creative.
1192
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:54,370
Or
1193
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:56,510
on accident.
1194
00:41:56,510 --> 00:41:56,520
Right?
1195
00:41:57,612 --> 00:41:59,812
I mean, it's some of- how some
of the greatest inventions were
1196
00:41:59,812 --> 00:42:02,122
discovered, 'cause somebody knocked
something into something else and
1197
00:42:02,222 --> 00:42:03,112
it was like, "Oh." Right, right.
1198
00:42:03,112 --> 00:42:04,612
That was a happy mistake.
1199
00:42:04,842 --> 00:42:05,132
Right.
1200
00:42:05,472 --> 00:42:05,862
Creative.
1201
00:42:05,872 --> 00:42:06,202
Creative.
1202
00:42:06,202 --> 00:42:06,252
Me too.
1203
00:42:06,332 --> 00:42:07,212
But yeah, I think that's it.
1204
00:42:07,852 --> 00:42:09,722
There's, there are avenues you
can walk down that you hadn't
1205
00:42:09,722 --> 00:42:12,642
considered, and there's avenues you
already walk down- Right … that
1206
00:42:12,642 --> 00:42:13,862
you haven't described as creative.
1207
00:42:13,862 --> 00:42:13,982
That's
1208
00:42:14,032 --> 00:42:14,502
That's right.
1209
00:42:14,502 --> 00:42:18,512
And so I would hope people leave this
conversation feeling like, "Yes, this is
1210
00:42:18,512 --> 00:42:23,712
how I build my emotional resilience, but
it's also how I expand my own identity."
1211
00:42:23,982 --> 00:42:24,142
Mm-hmm.
1212
00:42:24,142 --> 00:42:26,502
That I too create things.
1213
00:42:27,082 --> 00:42:27,422
Yes.
1214
00:42:27,422 --> 00:42:27,432
And
1215
00:42:27,482 --> 00:42:27,882
Yes, you do.
1216
00:42:27,892 --> 00:42:28,602
Yes, you do.
1217
00:42:28,902 --> 00:42:35,972
And the next time you choose to go on a
journey- … of creative expression, just
1218
00:42:35,982 --> 00:42:39,422
notice in the moments how you're feeling.
1219
00:42:39,472 --> 00:42:45,172
The different emotions- … that come
up as you move through it, all of them.
1220
00:42:45,182 --> 00:42:45,212
Yes.
1221
00:42:45,612 --> 00:42:50,692
And then notice how you feel afterwards-
Mm … for the next few days.
1222
00:42:50,692 --> 00:42:54,832
Because you said something- I love that
… in the beginning that I think is so
1223
00:42:54,832 --> 00:43:03,602
poignant, that three hours of painting was
worth seven days of emotional resilience.
1224
00:43:03,942 --> 00:43:04,972
Seven days.
1225
00:43:04,982 --> 00:43:05,692
Seven days.
1226
00:43:05,692 --> 00:43:05,922
Days.
1227
00:43:05,922 --> 00:43:05,942
Yeah.
1228
00:43:05,972 --> 00:43:11,772
And imagine, imagine if
you take an hour a day-
1229
00:43:12,252 --> 00:43:12,652
Ooh
1230
00:43:13,042 --> 00:43:15,892
how you're filling your tank, right?
1231
00:43:15,892 --> 00:43:15,912
That's good.
1232
00:43:15,912 --> 00:43:18,082
So the, the tank doesn't get
like- That's good, an hour a day.
1233
00:43:18,332 --> 00:43:19,512
Yeah, an hour a day.
1234
00:43:19,522 --> 00:43:21,742
Mm. So the tank never fully empties.
1235
00:43:21,922 --> 00:43:22,262
Mm-mm.
1236
00:43:22,262 --> 00:43:25,122
Like, you know, maybe there are
moments when things get real crazy,
1237
00:43:25,122 --> 00:43:26,812
but that means you got the reserve.
1238
00:43:27,122 --> 00:43:30,452
Because every day you're filling
your tank, you're topping it off.
1239
00:43:30,512 --> 00:43:30,529
Yes,
1240
00:43:30,529 --> 00:43:34,409
So then when things happen and, like,
maybe, maybe I can't get out in the
1241
00:43:34,409 --> 00:43:37,199
garden every single day, or maybe I
have to take a week off from practice.
1242
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:39,589
Like, I was traveling last week,
had to take a week off of practice,
1243
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:41,649
but I was- Mm … full enough-
1244
00:43:41,759 --> 00:43:43,039
…
That was good for me.
1245
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:44,059
And then I came back- Yes
1246
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:48,249
and this week I've been back in it,
back in the garden, and topping off,
1247
00:43:48,519 --> 00:43:48,559
you know?
1248
00:43:48,559 --> 00:43:49,089
That's right.
1249
00:43:49,089 --> 00:43:50,439
I like that, topping off.
1250
00:43:50,829 --> 00:43:51,649
I love that.
1251
00:43:51,999 --> 00:43:55,789
What do you think, Maiysha, of little
reminders to ourselves, a quick way to
1252
00:43:55,799 --> 00:43:58,369
access that thing that might regulate us?
1253
00:43:58,459 --> 00:44:01,172
So sometimes I always have yarn somewhere-
1254
00:44:01,372 --> 00:44:01,452
Mm-hmm
1255
00:44:01,492 --> 00:44:02,592
…
and my crochet hooks.
1256
00:44:02,642 --> 00:44:05,802
And you will see me just quietly
working on a granny square.
1257
00:44:06,392 --> 00:44:08,882
And while it looks like I'm working
on a granny square for a larger
1258
00:44:08,882 --> 00:44:10,502
project, which I am, I'm also going-
1259
00:44:12,156 --> 00:44:12,886
Yes
1260
00:44:12,936 --> 00:44:14,466
'
Cause I know that's what it does for me.
1261
00:44:14,616 --> 00:44:14,636
Yeah.
1262
00:44:14,726 --> 00:44:17,856
I think some of us use podcasts, music-
1263
00:44:18,196 --> 00:44:18,566
Mm-hmm
1264
00:44:18,566 --> 00:44:19,576
…
travel, right?
1265
00:44:19,586 --> 00:44:19,606
Yeah.
1266
00:44:19,816 --> 00:44:21,786
A trip to California reset you.
1267
00:44:22,146 --> 00:44:22,486
Yes.
1268
00:44:22,486 --> 00:44:23,506
Top off and a reset.
1269
00:44:23,836 --> 00:44:25,216
Yes, absolutely.
1270
00:44:25,216 --> 00:44:26,686
And it does, it does all that.
1271
00:44:26,916 --> 00:44:28,566
An hour a day, what that would do.
1272
00:44:28,596 --> 00:44:31,286
I think the people around us might notice.
1273
00:44:31,386 --> 00:44:33,106
It's both for us and for them.
1274
00:44:34,156 --> 00:44:34,256
Yes.
1275
00:44:36,496 --> 00:44:36,666
Absolutely.
1276
00:44:36,676 --> 00:44:37,084
It's like, "You know, you've been
kinda chill lately. What's, what you
1277
00:44:37,084 --> 00:44:38,584
been doing?" Like, taking care of me.
1278
00:44:38,584 --> 00:44:38,774
Mm-hmm.
1279
00:44:38,774 --> 00:44:39,064
Taking
1280
00:44:39,694 --> 00:44:39,764
care of me.
1281
00:44:40,054 --> 00:44:40,894
Uh, you know what?
1282
00:44:41,204 --> 00:44:47,024
To your question, for myself, I
actually for me it's, it's the,
1283
00:44:47,074 --> 00:44:48,514
I'm a structure girl, right?
1284
00:44:48,514 --> 00:44:49,044
Mm. Mm-hmm.
1285
00:44:49,054 --> 00:44:55,144
So I put moments in my
calendar- Ooh … block them.
1286
00:44:55,184 --> 00:44:56,464
I block the calendar.
1287
00:44:57,074 --> 00:45:00,024
And so when I'm block- when that
calendar is blocked, like I know
1288
00:45:00,024 --> 00:45:04,894
midday around 12:30 is, like,
around the time that I meditate.
1289
00:45:04,894 --> 00:45:05,924
I do sitting meditation.
1290
00:45:05,934 --> 00:45:08,344
Maybe 15 minutes, maybe 10
minutes, maybe 30 minutes.
1291
00:45:08,644 --> 00:45:09,754
It just depends, right?
1292
00:45:10,454 --> 00:45:14,134
I know that from, you know, I, I
stop my calendar at 3:00 'cause
1293
00:45:14,134 --> 00:45:15,594
I'm gon- I go to get my son.
1294
00:45:16,154 --> 00:45:20,744
But then, like, even in that time between
when I get home and I do my hour of
1295
00:45:20,784 --> 00:45:23,354
admin, I walk outside into the garden.
1296
00:45:23,854 --> 00:45:24,094
Yeah.
1297
00:45:24,094 --> 00:45:24,204
Right?
1298
00:45:24,454 --> 00:45:29,054
So then at 5:00, 'cause I don't really
cook till closer to 5:30, 6:00, I'm just-
1299
00:45:29,054 --> 00:45:34,484
Mm … I'm like, "This is the time. Go
out and walk around." And then, you know,
1300
00:45:34,484 --> 00:45:39,974
like, I very intentional, and then my
son will keep me accountable to this, is
1301
00:45:40,394 --> 00:45:45,474
if we end dinner by a certain time, that
means we have 20 minutes to play a game.
1302
00:45:45,954 --> 00:45:46,164
Ah.
1303
00:45:46,224 --> 00:45:47,584
Lately it's been Battleship.
1304
00:45:50,332 --> 00:45:51,112
I love it.
1305
00:45:52,302 --> 00:45:53,032
You like, "Shh."
1306
00:45:53,412 --> 00:45:55,142
He- It's fun.
1307
00:45:55,212 --> 00:45:55,682
He loves it.
1308
00:45:55,682 --> 00:45:57,312
He doesn't like to lose-
Mm-hmm … but he definitely
1309
00:45:57,812 --> 00:45:57,942
likes that.
1310
00:45:58,502 --> 00:45:59,632
Yes, yes, he loves Battleship.
1311
00:45:59,792 --> 00:46:00,002
Yeah.
1312
00:46:00,002 --> 00:46:00,342
I love that.
1313
00:46:00,392 --> 00:46:00,412
Wow.
1314
00:46:00,412 --> 00:46:00,902
So I think it's really about- You
1315
00:46:01,162 --> 00:46:02,142
scheduled it in.
1316
00:46:02,262 --> 00:46:02,792
Yeah.
1317
00:46:02,792 --> 00:46:07,772
I think it's really about knowing
what works for you individually.
1318
00:46:07,772 --> 00:46:10,832
Like for me, what works is putting
it on a s- like the schedule.
1319
00:46:10,912 --> 00:46:12,552
It's like, all right- Mm-hmm … the
clock is time for this.
1320
00:46:12,572 --> 00:46:14,432
At this time, this is the time.
1321
00:46:14,632 --> 00:46:17,402
But for you it's like
having the yarn around.
1322
00:46:17,412 --> 00:46:20,692
Mm. Like for somebody else
it may be, okay, music comes
1323
00:46:20,692 --> 00:46:22,362
on at a certain time, right?
1324
00:46:22,412 --> 00:46:22,682
same.
1325
00:46:22,692 --> 00:46:26,392
So, and using biomimicry,
that is exactly right?
1326
00:46:26,402 --> 00:46:26,422
Mm-hmm.
1327
00:46:26,422 --> 00:46:28,852
Like things operate in seasons and cycles.
1328
00:46:28,892 --> 00:46:29,372
That's right.
1329
00:46:29,412 --> 00:46:32,312
That we know, A, everything
turns toward the sun.
1330
00:46:32,322 --> 00:46:32,462
Mm-hmm.
1331
00:46:32,462 --> 00:46:34,582
Everything wants energy from the sun.
1332
00:46:34,592 --> 00:46:34,612
Yeah.
1333
00:46:34,772 --> 00:46:39,542
Whatever that light is for you, if it
is Battleship or crochet or making- Mm
1334
00:46:39,552 --> 00:46:43,022
a great new meal creatively- Mm. Mm, mm
… that's light, and we're turning toward
1335
00:46:43,022 --> 00:46:44,582
that, so we feel like we need something.
1336
00:46:44,592 --> 00:46:44,612
Yeah.
1337
00:46:44,902 --> 00:46:49,402
I think that, , being able to
schedule it is the same way that,
1338
00:46:50,242 --> 00:46:51,722
the way the Earth is scheduled.
1339
00:46:51,842 --> 00:46:52,562
Yeah.
1340
00:46:52,662 --> 00:46:54,502
That after 12 hours, this happens.
1341
00:46:54,692 --> 00:46:55,432
Yes.
1342
00:46:55,622 --> 00:46:58,892
And so we use words like whimsy and
like, you know, some people just
1343
00:46:58,892 --> 00:47:02,902
want to willy-nilly and all that, but
we're still operating in a schedule.
1344
00:47:03,002 --> 00:47:03,392
Right.
1345
00:47:03,432 --> 00:47:06,262
And so I love that you're, you
said you're a structure girl.
1346
00:47:06,282 --> 00:47:08,022
I think maybe we all are.
1347
00:47:08,402 --> 00:47:08,582
Yes.
1348
00:47:09,232 --> 00:47:13,442
'
Cause that every Tuesday at 6:00,
we leave at 9:00, structure.
1349
00:47:13,452 --> 00:47:13,622
Mm-hmm.
1350
00:47:13,792 --> 00:47:14,422
Structure.
1351
00:47:14,612 --> 00:47:14,982
Yeah.
1352
00:47:14,992 --> 00:47:15,482
Structure.
1353
00:47:15,722 --> 00:47:15,742
Yeah.
1354
00:47:15,752 --> 00:47:18,662
What the carrying of the yarn, and
if it's for some people it's the
1355
00:47:18,672 --> 00:47:20,542
fidget things, right- Yes … that
makes them feel like they're-
1356
00:47:20,872 --> 00:47:21,052
Mm-hmm
1357
00:47:21,062 --> 00:47:21,922
relaxed and all that.
1358
00:47:22,072 --> 00:47:24,002
But I think that allows for accessibility.
1359
00:47:24,002 --> 00:47:26,332
'Cause I- Yeah … I have to wait
till the next Tuesday pop up.
1360
00:47:27,138 --> 00:47:27,838
But
1361
00:47:27,838 --> 00:47:28,788
I don't wanna wait.
1362
00:47:29,198 --> 00:47:29,298
Right.
1363
00:47:29,568 --> 00:47:33,358
And so I love how you have salted your
day with all these little moments, right?
1364
00:47:33,388 --> 00:47:36,628
I do my sitting meditation, and
then after that I take a walk.
1365
00:47:36,768 --> 00:47:37,648
I go to the garden.
1366
00:47:37,648 --> 00:47:40,678
If we dinner, if we finish early
enough, I do the… You have
1367
00:47:40,678 --> 00:47:44,268
resources in your pocket that you
can reach for that are accessible.
1368
00:47:44,588 --> 00:47:44,898
Yeah.
1369
00:47:45,278 --> 00:47:48,348
I would love it if the people
we love and the ones we're
1370
00:47:48,348 --> 00:47:50,428
learning to love think about that.
1371
00:47:50,788 --> 00:47:51,288
Mm-hmm.
1372
00:47:51,288 --> 00:47:53,358
Like, once you know that
something works for you-
1373
00:47:53,758 --> 00:47:54,068
Yeah
1374
00:47:54,098 --> 00:47:56,188
…
it's not helter-skelter, willy-nilly.
1375
00:47:56,238 --> 00:47:57,458
Put it down, that works.
1376
00:47:57,728 --> 00:47:58,688
Protect the time.
1377
00:47:58,848 --> 00:48:01,568
Right, put a sip of hot tea after dinner.
1378
00:48:02,788 --> 00:48:03,338
That's it.
1379
00:48:03,558 --> 00:48:03,718
Routine.
1380
00:48:03,808 --> 00:48:03,978
Yeah.
1381
00:48:04,568 --> 00:48:06,248
Watching House Hunters.
1382
00:48:06,468 --> 00:48:06,948
Yes.
1383
00:48:07,648 --> 00:48:08,568
Whatever it is.
1384
00:48:08,568 --> 00:48:09,638
Yes, yes.
1385
00:48:09,688 --> 00:48:11,198
I call it structured freedom.
1386
00:48:11,208 --> 00:48:11,218
Ooh.
1387
00:48:11,798 --> 00:48:13,808
Because in that time- Structured
1388
00:48:13,858 --> 00:48:14,368
freedom.
1389
00:48:14,558 --> 00:48:16,388
That's nice … it's like
scheduled freedom, right?
1390
00:48:16,538 --> 00:48:19,888
You're on a schedule, but in that
time- Mm-hmm … you're free to be.
1391
00:48:19,948 --> 00:48:20,798
Absolutely.
1392
00:48:20,798 --> 00:48:20,968
Absolutely.
1393
00:48:20,968 --> 00:48:21,178
Right?
1394
00:48:21,528 --> 00:48:24,008
And when you give yourself that
structure, when you give yourself
1395
00:48:24,008 --> 00:48:28,458
that, that schedule, when you allow
for it, accountability, right?
1396
00:48:28,598 --> 00:48:28,998
Mm-hmm.
1397
00:48:29,008 --> 00:48:31,538
Then you know that's a time to be free.
1398
00:48:31,538 --> 00:48:31,948
Absolutely.
1399
00:48:31,948 --> 00:48:32,718
Absolutely.
1400
00:48:32,768 --> 00:48:36,318
You could be free willy-nilly when,
you know, random time pops up.
1401
00:48:36,688 --> 00:48:39,688
but when you have a schedule,
like we have schedules.
1402
00:48:39,688 --> 00:48:39,708
Mm-hmm.
1403
00:48:39,708 --> 00:48:43,975
we being big in the world- We got
schedules … like, you facilitating
1404
00:48:43,985 --> 00:48:46,695
weeks and, you know, we- Yes
1405
00:48:46,725 --> 00:48:50,105
traveling to Cali and I got-
Yes … a son, you got, five girls.
1406
00:48:50,115 --> 00:48:50,282
Yes.
1407
00:48:50,282 --> 00:48:52,880
And, you know, you got
a husband and a mom.
1408
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:53,128
Mm-hmm.
1409
00:48:53,128 --> 00:48:54,490
And we doing all the things.
1410
00:48:55,460 --> 00:48:57,060
We gotta schedule that joker.
1411
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:57,850
We do.
1412
00:48:58,010 --> 00:48:59,960
And the Earth too is scheduled.
1413
00:49:00,030 --> 00:49:00,500
That's right.
1414
00:49:00,500 --> 00:49:00,510
Yeah.
1415
00:49:00,510 --> 00:49:03,210
This is not a sign of us
being anxious or unsettled.
1416
00:49:03,210 --> 00:49:03,417
Right, right.
1417
00:49:03,417 --> 00:49:06,570
This is a sign of us being wise
enough to know- all things in
1418
00:49:06,570 --> 00:49:08,300
season and all things in time.
1419
00:49:08,397 --> 00:49:08,577
I
1420
00:49:08,577 --> 00:49:11,447
read somewhere too, I wanna add a
word 'cause I'm hearing schedule
1421
00:49:11,447 --> 00:49:12,927
and structure and routine.
1422
00:49:12,937 --> 00:49:15,577
And another word that I think
helps with this is ritual.
1423
00:49:15,807 --> 00:49:17,527
Ritual.
1424
00:49:17,547 --> 00:49:20,007
So if we are ritually creative-
1425
00:49:20,067 --> 00:49:20,677
Yes
1426
00:49:20,727 --> 00:49:25,227
…
this is the time when I light my
incense and I sit myself down.
1427
00:49:25,387 --> 00:49:25,747
Yes.
1428
00:49:25,747 --> 00:49:27,567
And I choose my meditation music.
1429
00:49:27,617 --> 00:49:28,087
Yes.
1430
00:49:28,127 --> 00:49:30,027
And I allow myself to unwind.
1431
00:49:30,337 --> 00:49:30,727
Yes.
1432
00:49:30,737 --> 00:49:31,227
Right?
1433
00:49:31,517 --> 00:49:31,677
Yes.
1434
00:49:31,707 --> 00:49:35,137
The ritual you're creating with Delson
is if we finish dinner at, with 20
1435
00:49:35,137 --> 00:49:37,207
minutes, we sit down and we play.
1436
00:49:37,297 --> 00:49:38,097
Right.
1437
00:49:38,517 --> 00:49:38,992
I love that.
1438
00:49:38,992 --> 00:49:39,057
Ritual.
1439
00:49:39,057 --> 00:49:40,377
I go in my garden.
1440
00:49:40,387 --> 00:49:44,517
Like, all of that is- Mm-hmm … and to
raise, I think, some of the things to the
1441
00:49:44,527 --> 00:49:48,197
height of ritual- Mm-hmm … also makes
us feel like we're using our time well.
1442
00:49:48,207 --> 00:49:48,237
Yes.
1443
00:49:48,377 --> 00:49:51,347
'Cause when we like coloring a
coloring book, that's for children
1444
00:49:53,411 --> 00:49:53,861
Okay.
1445
00:49:54,051 --> 00:49:56,351
But what it is is taking time out-
1446
00:49:56,411 --> 00:49:56,691
Yep
1447
00:49:56,721 --> 00:50:00,231
creating structure, giving ourselves-
Yeah … scheduled freedom.
1448
00:50:00,371 --> 00:50:00,761
Mm-hmm.
1449
00:50:00,821 --> 00:50:02,311
And that, then it becomes a ritual.
1450
00:50:02,311 --> 00:50:03,201
I take my book out.
1451
00:50:03,201 --> 00:50:03,271
That's right.
1452
00:50:03,411 --> 00:50:04,711
I sharpen my crayon.
1453
00:50:05,151 --> 00:50:05,271
Mm-hmm.
1454
00:50:05,271 --> 00:50:05,311
I put it up.
1455
00:50:05,741 --> 00:50:06,791
However you do it, right?
1456
00:50:06,791 --> 00:50:07,041
Yes.
1457
00:50:07,191 --> 00:50:10,801
But I've ritualized it be- and
I've elevated it to, I don't
1458
00:50:10,801 --> 00:50:12,551
know, something that feels sacred.
1459
00:50:12,901 --> 00:50:13,281
Yes.
1460
00:50:13,381 --> 00:50:14,671
And not something that feels…
1461
00:50:14,721 --> 00:50:18,051
I think for some people, creativity
can feel like it's wasteful.
1462
00:50:19,161 --> 00:50:20,011
Yes.
1463
00:50:20,011 --> 00:50:23,181
Well, that's inside of the you
know, we could, we- there's a whole
1464
00:50:23,181 --> 00:50:24,271
'nother conversation around that.
1465
00:50:24,281 --> 00:50:24,301
Yeah.
1466
00:50:24,361 --> 00:50:26,851
That's inside of a whole
conversation for oppression.
1467
00:50:27,221 --> 00:50:27,331
Yeah.
1468
00:50:27,471 --> 00:50:28,671
Oppress- yes, we
1469
00:50:28,671 --> 00:50:29,491
don't got time to play.
1470
00:50:29,491 --> 00:50:30,341
Who got time to play?
1471
00:50:30,651 --> 00:50:31,631
Who, I'm playing with you.
1472
00:50:31,631 --> 00:50:32,103
Yeah, yeah.
1473
00:50:32,103 --> 00:50:32,763
Don't play with me.
1474
00:50:32,763 --> 00:50:35,023
In the world of consumption, right?
1475
00:50:36,475 --> 00:50:36,895
Yeah.
1476
00:50:36,895 --> 00:50:39,455
That's just like- Mm-hmm … am
I gonna get paid for it?
1477
00:50:40,745 --> 00:50:42,065
Maybe not in dollars,
1478
00:50:42,305 --> 00:50:45,465
h- mental wellbeing and
spiritual connection and
1479
00:50:45,825 --> 00:50:46,535
investment.
1480
00:50:46,725 --> 00:50:48,215
In physical health as well.
1481
00:50:48,215 --> 00:50:49,245
I mean, the science is there.
1482
00:50:49,245 --> 00:50:49,397
Absolutely.
1483
00:50:49,397 --> 00:50:53,175
I'm not gonna go down that rabbit
hole, but the science is there, right?
1484
00:50:53,625 --> 00:50:56,275
And for those who need it to
be, like, something proven and
1485
00:50:56,275 --> 00:50:58,755
there's data, like, okay, don't
believe me, look at the science.
1486
00:50:58,825 --> 00:50:59,295
That's right.
1487
00:50:59,305 --> 00:51:00,865
Look at the cortisol levels.
1488
00:51:02,245 --> 00:51:04,065
Look at how you slept well that night.
1489
00:51:04,435 --> 00:51:05,115
Mm.
1490
00:51:05,125 --> 00:51:07,925
And then look at what you created
that's on your wall as a reminder
1491
00:51:07,925 --> 00:51:08,895
of all you're capable of.
1492
00:51:09,195 --> 00:51:09,695
That's right.
1493
00:51:09,995 --> 00:51:10,265
Okay.
1494
00:51:10,395 --> 00:51:12,125
If you need science, science is there.
1495
00:51:12,135 --> 00:51:12,165
Mm-hmm.
1496
00:51:12,295 --> 00:51:15,645
But if you also just wanna check in
with how you feel, like you said, how
1497
00:51:15,645 --> 00:51:17,205
does your body feel when you start?
1498
00:51:17,365 --> 00:51:18,035
'Cause that's data too.
1499
00:51:18,825 --> 00:51:19,775
That- that's d-
1500
00:51:19,775 --> 00:51:20,655
That's data too.
1501
00:51:20,955 --> 00:51:21,915
That's science too.
1502
00:51:22,695 --> 00:51:27,675
Sis, I'm telling you, I will go home
after the writing class, and every gripe
1503
00:51:27,685 --> 00:51:30,055
or annoyance I might have had earlier-
1504
00:51:30,365 --> 00:51:30,715
Mm-hmm
1505
00:51:30,795 --> 00:51:32,195
…
or might have later-
1506
00:51:32,335 --> 00:51:35,175
…
I soothe it with the fact
that I have taken care of me.
1507
00:51:35,325 --> 00:51:35,835
Yes.
1508
00:51:36,235 --> 00:51:39,505
And I'm like, "Okay." And it's not
that I don't notice those things.
1509
00:51:39,515 --> 00:51:39,985
Mm-hmm.
1510
00:51:39,985 --> 00:51:41,145
It's not that they stop being annoying.
1511
00:51:41,155 --> 00:51:41,545
Mm-hmm.
1512
00:51:41,545 --> 00:51:46,815
It's that they stop taking over all
my processes and the way I consider
1513
00:51:46,815 --> 00:51:50,405
whether I'm loved, tended to,
nurtured, soothed- Yeah … all those
1514
00:51:50,405 --> 00:51:52,155
th- I've already done it for me.
1515
00:51:52,255 --> 00:51:52,325
That's right.
1516
00:51:52,845 --> 00:51:55,535
And so now it's like, we good.
1517
00:51:55,835 --> 00:51:56,255
Yep.
1518
00:51:57,025 --> 00:51:59,098
, So emotional resilience, yes.
1519
00:51:59,138 --> 00:52:01,278
Add love, joy, and fun to that too.
1520
00:52:01,358 --> 00:52:01,788
Yes.
1521
00:52:01,848 --> 00:52:02,398
That's right.
1522
00:52:02,448 --> 00:52:06,518
'Cause that, they're, like, intertwined,
and they feed into one another.
1523
00:52:06,778 --> 00:52:07,368
Mm-hmm.
1524
00:52:08,768 --> 00:52:08,788
So.
1525
00:52:08,788 --> 00:52:09,038
Yeah.
1526
00:52:09,038 --> 00:52:09,378
Symbiotic.
1527
00:52:09,438 --> 00:52:10,118
Symbiotic.
1528
00:52:10,188 --> 00:52:10,798
This one.
1529
00:52:10,918 --> 00:52:11,308
Yes.
1530
00:52:11,318 --> 00:52:11,918
Symbiotic.
1531
00:52:13,568 --> 00:52:14,268
Oh my gosh.
1532
00:52:14,268 --> 00:52:14,798
Love it.
1533
00:52:14,798 --> 00:52:16,210
This has been such a juicy-
Ah … delicious, fun- Fun
1534
00:52:16,210 --> 00:52:16,634
creative- All the
1535
00:52:16,634 --> 00:52:17,468
way … resilient building- Restorative.
1536
00:52:19,008 --> 00:52:19,288
…
conversation.
1537
00:52:19,298 --> 00:52:19,308
Ay.
1538
00:52:19,878 --> 00:52:20,198
Yes.
1539
00:52:20,748 --> 00:52:28,158
All of it.
1540
00:52:28,158 --> 00:52:30,188
I mean, we've done gestures and words.
1541
00:52:30,188 --> 00:52:32,908
We've talked about painting,
but all of it creative.
1542
00:52:33,488 --> 00:52:33,868
Yes.
1543
00:52:34,158 --> 00:52:35,498
We have demonstrated it.
1544
00:52:35,498 --> 00:52:35,618
All of it.
1545
00:52:35,618 --> 00:52:36,398
We have not only
1546
00:52:36,398 --> 00:52:37,888
spoken these- This was
somebody's idea … words.
1547
00:52:38,228 --> 00:52:39,348
We've demonstrated it.
1548
00:52:39,358 --> 00:52:42,118
This was somebody's wild idea right here.
1549
00:52:42,298 --> 00:52:42,328
Yes.
1550
00:52:42,328 --> 00:52:42,338
Yeah.
1551
00:52:42,338 --> 00:52:46,838
A podcast using StreamYard
was somebody's wild idea.
1552
00:52:46,838 --> 00:52:46,898
That's
1553
00:52:46,898 --> 00:52:47,458
That's right.
1554
00:52:47,838 --> 00:52:48,858
Someone like, I don't know.
1555
00:52:48,858 --> 00:52:51,438
What do y'all think of this
idea of, like, using an app to-
1556
00:52:51,758 --> 00:52:52,018
Yep
1557
00:52:52,118 --> 00:52:52,928
…
to, like, s-
1558
00:52:53,838 --> 00:52:54,298
…
And here we are.
1559
00:52:54,298 --> 00:52:54,778
To talk about
1560
00:52:54,778 --> 00:52:55,218
stuff.
1561
00:52:58,154 --> 00:52:59,944
That other people can relate to.
1562
00:53:00,194 --> 00:53:00,404
Yes.
1563
00:53:00,884 --> 00:53:01,544
I say it counts.
1564
00:53:01,694 --> 00:53:01,724
Yes.
1565
00:53:02,044 --> 00:53:02,204
I'm like,
1566
00:53:02,684 --> 00:53:03,074
"
Okay." Absolutely.
1567
00:53:03,074 --> 00:53:03,544
Yeah.
1568
00:53:03,874 --> 00:53:04,074
Yes.
1569
00:53:04,074 --> 00:53:04,374
Beautiful.
1570
00:53:04,374 --> 00:53:06,764
Good j- good job, p- podcast
creator, whoever you are.
1571
00:53:08,344 --> 00:53:08,974
Thank you.
1572
00:53:09,004 --> 00:53:09,414
Big love.
1573
00:53:09,754 --> 00:53:10,034
Big love.
1574
00:53:10,034 --> 00:53:10,714
We see you.
1575
00:53:10,754 --> 00:53:13,764
you know, I think that we have
so many more conversations to
1576
00:53:13,764 --> 00:53:16,894
have, and I can't wait to have
them, both online and offline.
1577
00:53:17,314 --> 00:53:17,534
Awesome.
1578
00:53:17,694 --> 00:53:25,264
And in the meantime, I would love
for our audience to know how they can
1579
00:53:25,304 --> 00:53:30,514
continue to hear you, follow you, listen
to you- Yes … interact with you if
1580
00:53:30,874 --> 00:53:33,374
that is something that they want to do.
1581
00:53:33,894 --> 00:53:34,874
Awesome.
1582
00:53:35,024 --> 00:53:38,904
This is funnily enough, , and I
have, I think, a couple seasons
1583
00:53:38,904 --> 00:53:42,494
of a podcast called Truth Be Told,
and it's wherever podcasts are.
1584
00:53:42,734 --> 00:53:42,934
Yes.
1585
00:53:43,114 --> 00:53:47,334
And it's where myself and
my co-host, Andrea Blackman,
1586
00:53:47,374 --> 00:53:48,774
ask these kinds of questions.
1587
00:53:48,854 --> 00:53:50,804
It's like, who are we creatively?
1588
00:53:51,474 --> 00:53:53,124
Who are we to be creative?
1589
00:53:53,504 --> 00:53:53,804
Yes.
1590
00:53:53,824 --> 00:53:55,914
What do we do in pursuit of freedom?
1591
00:53:56,114 --> 00:53:56,714
Yes.
1592
00:53:57,644 --> 00:54:01,484
What is true about that, and how many
truths do we get to encounter and claim?
1593
00:54:01,494 --> 00:54:01,804
Mm-hmm.
1594
00:54:01,804 --> 00:54:02,394
And dismiss.
1595
00:54:02,914 --> 00:54:02,934
Mm-hmm.
1596
00:54:02,934 --> 00:54:05,024
And so that's a easy
way to find me, I think.
1597
00:54:05,084 --> 00:54:07,854
And also, you know, I have
a friend who says Google me,
1598
00:54:07,894 --> 00:54:08,664
which always makes me laugh.
1599
00:54:08,894 --> 00:54:08,924
Right.
1600
00:54:08,924 --> 00:54:12,874
But there might be some things I've
written online if you wanna find them.
1601
00:54:12,884 --> 00:54:13,114
Mm-hmm.
1602
00:54:13,124 --> 00:54:16,564
But yeah, I'd love, I love these
continuing conversations just about-
1603
00:54:16,574 --> 00:54:20,184
Mm … what we can admit that is true
for who we are and perhaps how we were
1604
00:54:20,184 --> 00:54:23,804
born, but also the things we can reach
out and pull towards to us and say- Mm
1605
00:54:23,814 --> 00:54:25,354
there might be a gift in here-
1606
00:54:25,564 --> 00:54:25,804
Yeah
1607
00:54:25,854 --> 00:54:28,414
…
that I just have not activated or fed-
1608
00:54:28,534 --> 00:54:28,544
Yeah
1609
00:54:28,544 --> 00:54:30,404
…
that then gets to be out in the world.
1610
00:54:30,684 --> 00:54:31,954
And at any age.
1611
00:54:31,974 --> 00:54:32,004
Yes.
1612
00:54:32,014 --> 00:54:35,474
You don't have to be four talk- No one
has to be, like, 11 saying, "What do
1613
00:54:35,474 --> 00:54:36,454
you wanna be when you grow up?" Yeah.
1614
00:54:36,674 --> 00:54:38,424
We're still growing up.
1615
00:54:38,854 --> 00:54:39,934
Yes, absolutely.
1616
00:54:39,974 --> 00:54:41,934
And so I'm excited.
1617
00:54:41,934 --> 00:54:45,134
Like, I'm thinking, like, being a some
people call themselves hobbyists, right?
1618
00:54:45,144 --> 00:54:46,354
Mm. I'm just gonna try something new.
1619
00:54:46,544 --> 00:54:47,644
I'm a do bird watching.
1620
00:54:47,644 --> 00:54:47,664
Yeah.
1621
00:54:47,924 --> 00:54:50,804
I'm gonna, I'm gonna take
up, , African dance or hula.
1622
00:54:50,844 --> 00:54:51,764
Whatever it is.
1623
00:54:51,954 --> 00:54:55,284
We're growing in that way, and it
makes me a better version of myself.
1624
00:54:55,454 --> 00:54:56,014
Mm.
1625
00:54:56,024 --> 00:54:57,204
I'm more peaceful.
1626
00:54:57,214 --> 00:54:58,324
I'm more loving.
1627
00:54:58,334 --> 00:54:58,354
Mm-hmm.
1628
00:54:58,904 --> 00:55:01,094
I have taken good care of Tasneem.
1629
00:55:01,464 --> 00:55:02,414
And that's what matters.
1630
00:55:02,714 --> 00:55:02,744
Yes.
1631
00:55:02,774 --> 00:55:04,034
So y'all heard her.
1632
00:55:04,114 --> 00:55:04,984
Google her.
1633
00:55:05,604 --> 00:55:08,684
Or go listen to Truth Behold.
1634
00:55:08,864 --> 00:55:08,884
Yeah.
1635
00:55:08,894 --> 00:55:09,124
Yes.
1636
00:55:09,154 --> 00:55:15,184
And I invite you, if you're in the
South- to check out Mosaic Change Makers.
1637
00:55:15,224 --> 00:55:16,424
Absolutely.
1638
00:55:16,434 --> 00:55:17,174
Check out-
1639
00:55:17,224 --> 00:55:18,264
If you're interested in weaving- Yes
1640
00:55:18,264 --> 00:55:20,404
a better South, which
sounds creative, doesn't it?
1641
00:55:21,244 --> 00:55:21,413
It does.
1642
00:55:21,413 --> 00:55:21,544
I think you did a creative work.
1643
00:55:21,544 --> 00:55:22,334
It is very creative.
1644
00:55:22,334 --> 00:55:24,334
Like, it is a very creative process.
1645
00:55:24,444 --> 00:55:30,004
Very creative, life-giving, heart warming
and wrenching at times- and so, you
1646
00:55:30,004 --> 00:55:34,024
know, if you're in the South, if you know
someone in the South who's in this dance
1647
00:55:34,024 --> 00:55:39,314
of justice, who's trying to weave- that
South to be a better South for creating
1648
00:55:39,314 --> 00:55:43,894
a better nation and a better world- Amen
… then check out Mosaic Change Makers.
1649
00:55:44,124 --> 00:55:47,214
And so , I have a question and,
I'm not actually sure if we've had
1650
00:55:47,214 --> 00:55:51,414
this conversation personally, but
do you facilitate, Like, can people
1651
00:55:51,414 --> 00:55:54,334
invite you if they're like, "Ah,
she need to come facilitate some
1652
00:55:54,344 --> 00:55:55,634
art stuff, some artistry stuff"?
1653
00:55:56,584 --> 00:55:56,734
Absolutely.
1654
00:55:57,394 --> 00:55:57,967
Do you, yeah- Thank you, Maiysha.
1655
00:55:57,967 --> 00:55:58,077
I do.
1656
00:55:58,077 --> 00:55:58,377
I do.
1657
00:55:58,377 --> 00:55:59,737
I, I find great joy in it.
1658
00:55:59,817 --> 00:56:02,547
And the topics are of all kinds, right?
1659
00:56:02,547 --> 00:56:04,127
Conflict resolution sometimes.
1660
00:56:04,137 --> 00:56:04,167
Yes.
1661
00:56:04,397 --> 00:56:08,567
But a lot of times it's about how do we
build community with ourselves and others?
1662
00:56:08,567 --> 00:56:08,977
Yes.
1663
00:56:08,977 --> 00:56:09,007
Yes.
1664
00:56:09,027 --> 00:56:12,547
How do we love a whole human while
also loving ourselves wholly?
1665
00:56:12,557 --> 00:56:13,247
I love that.
1666
00:56:13,247 --> 00:56:14,127
Love that conversation.
1667
00:56:14,127 --> 00:56:14,427
I love it.
1668
00:56:14,437 --> 00:56:16,447
Anybody need facilitation
on that, let's build it.
1669
00:56:16,897 --> 00:56:17,237
Yes.
1670
00:56:17,267 --> 00:56:18,257
And how would they do that?
1671
00:56:18,267 --> 00:56:20,217
How would they find you-
Mm … to be able to inquire?
1672
00:56:20,517 --> 00:56:21,047
Good point.
1673
00:56:21,067 --> 00:56:23,577
I, you know, I'm gonna lead them
to my Mosaic email, 'cause I think
1674
00:56:23,577 --> 00:56:24,457
it's the easiest to remember.
1675
00:56:24,507 --> 00:56:28,167
tasneem@mosaicchangemakers.org.
1676
00:56:28,397 --> 00:56:28,767
Awesome.
1677
00:56:28,777 --> 00:56:31,737
We'll make sure we put
that in the show notes.
1678
00:56:31,787 --> 00:56:32,807
Thank you, dear.
1679
00:56:33,117 --> 00:56:33,637
Yes.
1680
00:56:33,857 --> 00:56:36,167
Thank you so much- Thank you,
Maiysha … Tasneem for this conversation.
1681
00:56:36,357 --> 00:56:38,507
It has just been a joy.
1682
00:56:38,547 --> 00:56:38,737
It
1683
00:56:38,747 --> 00:56:39,367
has-
1684
00:56:39,457 --> 00:56:40,087
I mean- … from start
1685
00:56:40,197 --> 00:56:41,017
to finish
1686
00:56:41,017 --> 00:56:41,767
…
from start to finish.
1687
00:56:41,767 --> 00:56:41,797
Yes.
1688
00:56:41,797 --> 00:56:45,447
And every single time we are
together, it is this way.
1689
00:56:45,457 --> 00:56:45,487
Yes.
1690
00:56:45,687 --> 00:56:47,207
It is the truth.
1691
00:56:47,207 --> 00:56:49,977
And so I- It's the truth … am
grateful that the audience got to bear
1692
00:56:49,977 --> 00:56:54,297
witness to that- Mm-hmm … as well as
take the jewels that they're taking.
1693
00:56:54,537 --> 00:56:55,277
Thank you, sis.
1694
00:56:55,277 --> 00:56:56,367
I appreciate you asking.
1695
00:56:56,367 --> 00:56:57,557
Thank you for having me on.
1696
00:56:57,567 --> 00:57:00,237
And I love all the work you're
doing to get our mind right.
1697
00:57:00,893 --> 00:57:01,433
Thank you.
1698
00:57:01,433 --> 00:57:02,073
Thank you.
1699
00:57:02,073 --> 00:57:02,198
You're welcome.
1700
00:57:02,198 --> 00:57:02,803
It is a joy.
1701
00:57:03,243 --> 00:57:04,503
So y'all, heard her.
1702
00:57:04,533 --> 00:57:08,303
Y'all go and, and check out
Truth Be Told, the podcast.
1703
00:57:08,303 --> 00:57:08,723
Yeah.
1704
00:57:08,723 --> 00:57:13,353
And if you want to invite
Tasneem for a facilitation,
1705
00:57:13,353 --> 00:57:15,353
tasneem@mosaicchangemakers.org.
1706
00:57:15,633 --> 00:57:16,293
That's right.
1707
00:57:16,603 --> 00:57:19,593
And, you know, we invite
you to share this podcast.
1708
00:57:19,633 --> 00:57:21,063
You know I say it- Yes … every episode.
1709
00:57:21,113 --> 00:57:23,893
Share the podcast- Yes, yes,
yes … because people- I will … yeah,
1710
00:57:23,893 --> 00:57:26,473
these, these are conversations
that people need to be hearing.
1711
00:57:26,853 --> 00:57:29,423
And also, leave a comment or a review.
1712
00:57:29,423 --> 00:57:31,763
If you're on YouTube
listening, leave a comment.
1713
00:57:31,763 --> 00:57:36,553
If you're in one of the, commercial
podcast apps, leave a review
1714
00:57:36,583 --> 00:57:39,743
because people need to know the
value that's happening in this
1715
00:57:39,783 --> 00:57:41,973
podcast as they come behind you.
1716
00:57:41,973 --> 00:57:42,613
That's right.
1717
00:57:42,613 --> 00:57:45,093
So with that, thank you for being here.
1718
00:57:45,543 --> 00:57:45,603
Thank you.
1719
00:57:45,623 --> 00:57:49,903
And thank you to the audience, because
without the audience, guess what, y'all?
1720
00:57:49,903 --> 00:57:51,613
There's no podcast.
1721
00:57:51,613 --> 00:57:51,633
That's right.
1722
00:57:51,633 --> 00:57:51,933
So- Thank you,
1723
00:57:51,933 --> 00:57:53,163
listeners
1724
00:57:53,223 --> 00:57:54,063
Yes, indeed.
1725
00:57:54,073 --> 00:57:57,703
And until the next time we
see you, stay empowered.
1726
00:57:58,197 --> 00:58:01,007
Thank you for joining
me today on our podcast.
1727
00:58:01,527 --> 00:58:05,047
I hope today's episode gave you
fresh insights and practical tools to
1728
00:58:05,047 --> 00:58:08,817
elevate your communication and build
trust and connection in all areas of
1729
00:58:08,817 --> 00:58:12,887
your life, from leading your team to
strengthening your relationships at home.
1730
00:58:13,337 --> 00:58:16,927
If today's conversation resonated
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1731
00:58:16,947 --> 00:58:20,637
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1732
00:58:21,247 --> 00:58:25,967
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1733
00:58:26,287 --> 00:58:30,217
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1734
00:58:30,657 --> 00:58:34,297
And we would most appreciate if
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1735
00:58:34,787 --> 00:58:38,187
Your support helps us reach more
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1736
00:58:38,187 --> 00:58:39,507
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1737
00:58:40,227 --> 00:58:44,167
And if you love what you are hearing
and are thinking, "Hey, I need
1738
00:58:44,167 --> 00:58:48,597
this," or, "We need this in our
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1739
00:58:48,597 --> 00:58:49,987
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1740
00:58:50,907 --> 00:58:53,907
You can invite me to provide
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1741
00:58:53,977 --> 00:58:55,227
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1742
00:58:55,707 --> 00:59:00,257
My REMAP framework offers practical
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1743
00:59:00,267 --> 00:59:04,607
trust, accountability, and psychological
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1744
00:59:05,307 --> 00:59:06,837
You could partner with me as a coach.
1745
00:59:07,127 --> 00:59:12,097
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1746
00:59:12,407 --> 00:59:13,977
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1747
00:59:14,737 --> 00:59:19,617
If you are an individual and you feel
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1748
00:59:19,617 --> 00:59:23,477
getting in, in the way of your triumphs,
perhaps you could use some personal
1749
00:59:23,887 --> 00:59:26,187
mind remapping transformation coaching.
1750
00:59:26,697 --> 00:59:30,077
And finally, you could take
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1751
00:59:31,027 --> 00:59:34,497
Communication That Transforms is a
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1752
00:59:34,497 --> 00:59:38,097
you build and strengthen trust
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1753
00:59:38,467 --> 00:59:41,507
It's great for individuals,
transformational for communities,
1754
00:59:41,937 --> 00:59:47,757
teams, and organizations, and
it is CME accredited for our
1755
00:59:48,077 --> 00:59:50,147
physicians and clinicians out there.
1756
00:59:51,287 --> 00:59:55,097
Feel free to reach out to me
directly for any of these pathways to
1757
00:59:55,097 --> 01:00:01,447
partnership by visiting my website,
www.mindremappingacademy.com,
1758
01:00:01,937 --> 01:00:07,817
or by contacting me directly
on LinkedIn, /DrMaiysha.
1759
01:00:08,517 --> 01:00:12,947
Remember, change happens one
conscious conversation at a time.
1760
01:00:13,667 --> 01:00:17,857
Keep listening with intention
and communicating with clarity.
1761
01:00:18,207 --> 01:00:21,407
And until the next episode, stay empowered