Executive Presence, Enterprise Thinking, and the Path to the CLO Seat

Half of all L&D professionals aspire to a senior learning leadership role. Less than 1% hold the title. And many who think they want the job have never really examined what it requires. 

Amy DuVernet, VP of Learning Products at Training Industry, joins Sam Herring to unpack what it takes to develop the career of the person who develops everyone else. Drawing on TI's research across 250,000 L&D professionals, Amy shares what separates those who reach the CLO level and what holds most aspiring leaders back. 

In this episode: 

• The three competencies that define CLO readiness — enterprise perspective, executive presence, and business leadership — and why they require more than a course to develop 
• Why executive presence is trainable, and how the Training Industry Senior Leaders Program uses Intrepid to bring together AI-enabled practice, peer learning, and expert-led sessions in a structured development experience
• The supply-side reality: how to assess whether the CLO role is actually the right fit, and what adjacent paths are worth taking seriously 
• The highest-leverage skill most L&D professionals overlook (hint: it's not instructional design) 
• How to pitch the CFO and the question that reframes the conversation 

Guest: Amy DuVernet, VP of Learning Products, Training Industry