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Welcome to episode 598 of Behind the Shield podcast.
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As always, my name is James Geering, and this
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week it is my absolute honor to welcome on the
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show, revered strength and conditioning coach
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and author, Dan John. So we discuss a host of
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topics from the impact of combat and trauma on
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his immediate family, training the youth athlete,
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overcoming injury, physical education, and so
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much more. Before we get to this incredible conversation,
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I introduce to you Dan John. Enjoy. Well, Dan,
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I want to start by saying thank you so much for
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taking the time to come on the Behind the Shield
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podcast today. Well, thank you. This worked out
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pretty easily, actually. So as we were saying
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before we start recording, I actually took one
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of your classes at TSAC in Orlando a few years
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ago. So it's weird. God, the universe moves these
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chess pieces around. And even though you are
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someone I'd wanted to reach out to. I know a
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couple of people recently probably told you about
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this podcast and they connected with me again.
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I'm like, okay, this is obviously the time that
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we need to do this. So I'm very excited. Yeah,
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I'm always here to help. But you could have just
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emailed me and I would have come on for you.
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Well, I appreciate that. All right. So then first
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question, where on planet Earth are we finding
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you today? I'm in Murray, Utah. My dog is a few
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feet away from me. I'm going to get my workout
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in after we hang up. It was a rainy night and
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life is good. Beautiful. Well, speaking of life,
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I would love to start at the beginning of yours.
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So tell me where you were born and then tell
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me a little bit about your family dynamic, what
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your parents did and how many siblings. Oh, well,
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I mean, you know, I tell people this all the
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time, but I'm the youngest of six. Both parents
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are Depression era, World War II. Mom saw a lot
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of pain growing up with the depression and losing
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her brothers too. Well, the pandemic, the 1918
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flu, she lost family members, three brothers.
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And then, of course, her husband went to war.
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All of her brothers went to war. My dad, of course,
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was abandoned as a child, kind of traded around
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by the aunts up near Sherbrooke in Canada. And
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he had a rough life. it was in fact it's interesting
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I have his book reports from school right right
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behind my computer but he was a good student
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worked hard and his the answer to all of his
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questions was to join the U .S. Army which he
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did he could have played professional baseball
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but for whatever reason that my dad went in that
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direction and World War II happens and after
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my parents get married and meet and get married
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in the middle of it and I'm the youngest of six
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and Very competitive, very military family. I
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was always chasing people, my brothers. Five
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boys, one girl. I think that's a real advantage.
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If you want an athletic child, have a lot of
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kids. The first couple will be fine, but the
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last ones will be always trying to keep up and
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being always knocked down is a real advantage.
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you know, being competing against faster, better
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athletes constantly when you do finally hit puberty
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and you finally catch up, uh, you shoot ahead
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of all. I mean, I was, I was the youngest boy
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in my class and, uh, and I, I was always just
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always behind physically because of puberty and
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being Irish, you know? And so finally, uh, when
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we caught up, it was a good thing. So it's an
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interesting perspective. My son is in the same
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position that you are now. He was one of the
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youngest in his school year. He's built like
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his dad, so he's not a big lad either. But I've
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watched it develop the work ethic because there
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were even school years academically where he
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almost failed out and got tutoring and stuff.
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But now I see that dogmatic fight in him and
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he'll be out running 6 a .m. before school starts
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as a 14 -year -old kid. So I can totally understand
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what you're talking about. I think it's, I can't
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remember if it's talent code or outliers that
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talks about Usain Bolt being the youngest. And
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of course, when you're built like that and you
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come from the country which has the national
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sport is sprinting. And then you throw in being
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the youngest. That's a pretty good trifecta,
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you know, DNA. So genetics, geography, and birth
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order. That's probably the best. So gentle listener,
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if you want an elite athlete. So first, go get
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better parents than you currently have. Secondly,
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find a place that will support the dream that
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you have and be born there. That's very important
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that you're born there. And finally, be sure
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you're probably the fifth, sixth or seventh child
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of these genetically superior parents in this
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perfect place. So there you go. There's my point.
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Thank you very much, folks. Thanks for listening.
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Simple, actionable steps. Yes. Brilliant. Well,
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just going back to your parents for a second,
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I just interviewed a World War II veteran a few
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weeks ago, Frank Wright, who was actually on
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Iwo Jima. He was wounded but survived. And that's
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a generation that sadly, a lot of people report
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when they have them in their family, didn't really
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talk a lot about that conflict. And they carried
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a lot of that with them. What was your experience
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with your dad? Well, first off, there is a movie
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that I think is worth watching. You know, all
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these guys waving all their flags from their
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trucks and they paint. It's funny. One of the
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rules about American flags, you're not supposed
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to put anything else on them. You're not supposed
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to put extra stripes. You're not supposed to
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make it out of Soviet made weapon. I always think
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it's funny when guys have AR -14s on their truck.
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Okay, whatever. If you watch the movie from 1946,
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The Best Years of Our Lives, William Holden,
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it might be Frederick March. Darn it, I don't
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know. But it won Best Picture. The guy who doesn't
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have hands isn't an actor, but received the Academy
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Award for Supporting Actor, and he's brilliant.
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But it's a 1946 film that deals with what we
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would now call PTSD. It deals with it. It is
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straight up. It is an accurate portrayal of what
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went on in my home with my brothers coming home
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from Vietnam. They turned to booze. They turned
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to other things. Of course, they were called
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baby killers because they, you know, I mean,
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it's a struggle for me, I'll be honest with you,
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to watch how Americans treated our Vietnam vets.
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And now what we know. And now the switch, and
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it does, it bothers me a lot because it's very
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personal to me. Did my father talk about the
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war? I know that my father and my uncles and
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my cousins, I had a cousin who was on the Arizona
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when it got blown up, and Iwo Jima. And he, I
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never knew until I was older, but he had, he
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liked to spend a lot of time alone. in the woods
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you know and thankfully never offed himself or
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anything but um they wouldn't talk to it with
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someone like me they i was they they didn't want
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to hurt me and so they held it in they drank
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it down they they didn't they didn't do pills
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or anything um they kept everything close to
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the vest and basically let it destroy them you
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know, interiorly, you know, and it was a, you
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know, I look back on my father and, you know,
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in my, my family room, I have a little shrine
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to him. I have his World War II jacket. And then
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I put pictures of my mom and my dad in there
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because, because. The wives, girlfriends, moms,
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Rosie the Riveters, they had a huge impact on
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how a lot of these guys survived when they came
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back. And I remember my father, and I just know
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that he was a troubled man, and what brought
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him joy was his children and sports. So he focused
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on sports, children, and those Zane Gray books.
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He loved Zane Gray. And that's what you did.
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You know, you smoked two packs of cigarettes
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every day. You started your day off with a couple
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of cigarettes and a cup of coffee and you went
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and worked and then you had lunch and you came
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home and you ate dinner and you smoked cigarettes
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and you read books and you watched the San Francisco
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Giants. And that's how you survived. I'm sure
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all the fitness professionals listening are aghast
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at this, but. It's a wildly different world when
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your biggest concern is whether or not your Instagram
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selfie is, you know, is colored with the right
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hue or not. And if you have the right explosion
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of words versus, you know, worrying about the
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fact that, I guess my dad lost about a third
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of his stomach in the war. You know, and we didn't
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talk about it. It just wasn't a thing. He just
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didn't bring it up. and didn't want to freak
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him out so you know and so so it ate away at
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him and uh you know uh it was a rare rare friend
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of mine whose dad didn't fight in world war ii
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and uh it was it was all pretty obvious that
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these guys these guys struggled with stuff that
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was uh was horrific and also too you know when
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my brothers would go over like my brother ray
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when he went to vietnam his orders were for the
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duration of course that didn't happen because
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his group of marines was basically wiped out
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um he he was convinced he'd be there for you
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know until it was over because he went with 63
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or 64 with that second expeditionary brigade
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my brother gary of course he had orders he had
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you know one year to the day bye -bye And they
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brought him home and threw him out. And I would
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say that would be very true. My brother, Phil,
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was a much more long -term service member. So
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he has a totally different story. And of course,
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my brother, Rich, we always joked that he had
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it the worst because he had to go to Oklahoma.
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They drafted him at like 25 and a half. with
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a kid because my hometown of South city is poor.
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And, and then of course it's San Mateo County.
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So nobody from San Mateo, Burlingame, Millbrae,
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San Bruno had to serve. It had to be everybody
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from South city. So they, they drafted him right
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on the last minute, you know, he should have
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been. And we always joke he had at the works
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cause he had to go to Oklahoma. Sorry, Oklahoma
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listeners. But yeah. So, I mean, and I watch
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those guys dealing with their issues. Growing
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up and, you know, dealing with being called baby
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killers. My brother Ray, a professor, wouldn't
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teach him in college because he was a Vietnam
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vet. The professor up and walked out of the room
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and wouldn't teach the class. So go ahead, wave
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your flags, folks. And just remember, that's
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the reality, what it means to be a veteran. And
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I know it's different now, but I'm sure even
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are more recent. veterans would say the same
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thing that, you know, everybody wants to, you
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know, have the 45 minute thing before the game
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where there's this, you know, the planes are
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coming in overhead and the little girl is, you're
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supposed to sing the Star Spangled Banner in
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a very specific, timely, quick way. You don't
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add in your own interpretations. You don't change
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the words. You sing the damn song and you walk
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off. uh you know if you're a christian audience
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and someone says the our father you don't start
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winging it you know hey man hey great dude in
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the sky brother you know we are all here you
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know it's a very specific kind of prayer okay
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and the star spangled banner is the same way
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too you don't you don't wing it and all this
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stuff that goes on uh it's interesting because
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my I was out with a friend of mine. She's a veteran.
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We went to a rugby game together. And they had
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this little girl singing the Star Spangled Banner.
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And she kept adding to it. And she goes, I hate
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this stuff. And everybody I know who serves hates
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this stuff. Sitting around us, there was a couple
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of guys in camo and military gear. And it's like,
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and she goes like this. None of these guys served.
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None of these guys served. No. and i go how do
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you know this because i mean i know why she goes
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because once you've once you've worn the uniform
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you don't wear it you don't wear a little bit
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of it and you know you know so you don't wear
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your wrangler jeans with the camo top you know
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you don't you don't do that you know so well
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that was a long that was a long point but thank
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you for letting me say that that that i just
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vomited out my heart for you james well i appreciate
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you doing that and the reason i think it's so
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important and i think especially what really
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comes out of these early life conversations is
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you know you're obviously known for strength
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and conditioning and being one of the most revered
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coaches but whether it's a navy seal or a firefighter
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or a coach on here you know where we have these
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incredible stories early on and you know these
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incredible family members and i think The World
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War II generation, we lost almost all of them.
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So the only people now that really get to speak
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are their children, their next generation. And
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what's interesting is you had the Vietnam and
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the World War II experience. World War II, in
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general, they came back to ticker tape parades
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and there was a healing element of that. That's
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why you got to watch this movie. That's why it's
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so important to watch this 1946 movie. Because
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it... That's not what happened for every guy.
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Now, maybe certain groups did walk through New
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York City and they had a ticker tape. But the
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rest of the guys, that's why the movie is so
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good, because they nailed it. There's a whole
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bunch of guys sitting around and there's no airplanes
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to take them home. They keep canceling flights.
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That's how the show starts. And then, of course,
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but there's a boneyard of all these brand new
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planes that are getting junkyarded. And that's
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I think if you look at the movie as an adult
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and get the plain metaphor, I think it'll be
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very hard. They're all we're all heading out
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to the junkyard. It was tough. And don't forget,
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I mean, the World War One vets came back and
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there was no work for. And they did that famous
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march on Washington. So they found, you know,
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a couple of generals to evict him. And when you
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look up the history of the generals who evicted
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him, it isn't a good story for the both of them.
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No, no. I've seen little glimmers of that. And
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I think that's just it. So, you know, yet, like
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you said, you've got some ticker tape parades,
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you've got a lot that aren't. I had a couple
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of, excuse me, Vietnam vets on. One was like
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mortally wounded. He survived, but critically
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wounded, lying on the asphalt after he'd been
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transported back to the US and someone urinated
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on him, on his wounds. And this is what we did
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to our veterans. I remember a lot of these men
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and women. didn't even ask like they were drafted
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as you said so they weren't even like you know
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lining up and the ones that did you know were
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being sold i think sim sadly similarly we're
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saying that yet again this very one -sided view
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that we're getting of course a country being
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invaded is horrendous but do i think that every
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russian person is evil absolutely not but that's
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what's being painted now we're creating a new
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a new demon a new enemy so well yeah i always
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ask the soviets so that's That's just my heart.
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I have a hard heart to the Soviets. And I need
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to work on that. That's my own personal thing.
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And I call them the Soviets because we all know
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there's no difference there. Yeah, but you're
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right. And, you know, my brother Gary, he's a
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Vietnam vet, disabled vet. And I've always told
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him the answer to so many Americans' problems
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is just bring back the draft. And I'll tell you
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one thing. it would help it would help in a lot
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of i mean it's not a good thing i'm just saying
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but it would just you know when you're when you're
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getting your i had to register for the draft
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and you know and we get when you do that it's
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like okay um just the act of registering for
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the draft that and then of course when the numbers
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would tumble out the lottery you know uh you
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know you gotta regret The fact that your mother
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induced at 1135 versus inducing at 1155 changed
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your life. You know, that's a tough thing. And,
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of course, you know, and the draft was so, it
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was done so, again, immorally. And, you know,
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here we go. Either we all get drafted or none
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of us. You know, that's what I think, you know.
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Absolutely. Well, speaking of school age and
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athleticism, I had a man on a few weeks ago who
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created an incredible documentary. I'd never
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seen this before. It was called The Motivation
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Factor. And it detailed the PE program in La
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Sierra High School in California. Oh, sure. Yeah,
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it's excellent. Yeah. So what was... PE like
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when you were at school age and then with this
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incredible journey that you've been through and
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you're still a high level athlete to this day,
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what have you personally witnessed of PE in the
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US? So first off that. That school particularly
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was a one -off. We had their charts in my high
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school about what it took to get to certain places
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in there. So when I was young, this is going
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to sound so weird to the audience, but you had
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to wear a PE uniform. I was out helping my discus
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thrower about a week ago. We were at a high school
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and this PE class comes out and this little,
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she's the PE teacher. And she's like, you need
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to leave. And it's like, she's about. And so
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I sat and I watched. Her first thing was to tell
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all the students to put their cell phones into
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their backpacks. Now, why do you bring backpacks
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to PE? Why is that not in your locker? And then
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I noticed that none of the kids were in. I couldn't.
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Some of the kids were in street clothes. God
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only knows what some of the kids were wearing.
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But it was their PE class, and they were just
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in a hodgepodge of things. And they sat in the
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sun basically for, I wanted to watch because
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I wanted to see what was so, here you got, I
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mean, I'm working with my discus thrower and
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what an opportunity she could have had to say,
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can you tell them about, can you tell my students
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about this? You know, and I could have had Emily
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throw. Well, when I was young, first and foremost,
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PE, physical education was a class. You took
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attendance. You had to run out. We had to step
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on numbers. That's how you knew. So like, for
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example, I might have been number 22. So there
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was a number spray painted into the ground called
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22. And I had to stand there. We had to get a
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sock check, a jock check, a shorts check, a shirt
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check. And if it was raining, we still stood
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there because that was what you did at PE class.
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And then, you know. Mr. Freeman would say, all
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right, get going. And we'd run two laps around
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the football field. We would do an obstacle course.
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We would do calisthenics. And that gets us about
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30 minutes into the day. And then he would talk
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about what we're going to do in PE class that
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day. So we would have about a half an hour of
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exercise. And then we'd have physical education
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class. The weightlifting program, if you're reading
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my work, I still use it. It's called the Southwood.
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Power clean, military press, front squat, bench
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press. We had to do three or four, probably three
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times a year, we had to do actual testing where
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we did, I want to say it was 10 events, but it
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was like push -up, sit -up, pull -up, agility,
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40 -yard time, 600 yards for sure. I remember
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that one. The six -minute run test, run, run,
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run, run, run. I don't remember all of them,
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but there was 10 tests. And if you hit a certain
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level, you got like a, let's just say an orange
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triangle. If you were a little bit better, you
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got a green triangle, a little bit better. You
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got, and you would put this triangle on your
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gym shorts and people would train to get a higher
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level triangle. It was a little piece of felt
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that you glued onto your shorts or sewed onto
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your shorts and guys would train. during breaks
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in the day and during to get their times and
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pull -ups and stuff done better um we did every
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sport and there was on every sport there was
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three different tests for every sport there was
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a skills test like in soccer there was i think
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there was like maybe 10 cones and you were timed
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for how bad how fast you sprinted the ball you
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know around the cones so uh and it was like Out
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of 10 free throws, stuff like that. And then
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there was also a written test about the rules
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of the game. And the third thing, we had to play
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in a little tournament. And you got points by
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how your team did. So everything I just said
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is an anathema of what I saw the other day at
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this PE class. It is literally the exact opposite.
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She was taking roll after the kids had already
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been in class for probably 12 minutes. versus
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blow a whistle, everyone lines up. And I don't
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know how you turn things around, but every time
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I watch, you know, the schools I've taught at,
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they went from being physical education classes
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to rolling out the basketballs. At one school,
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we had one PE teacher, I don't think ever did
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anything besides dodgeball or basketball. It
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would be dodgeball was the organized sport, and
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basketball would be the... Of the four days a
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week they went, three out of four would the kid
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just be, you know, just playing pickup games.
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I don't think in the grand scheme of things,
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all that I just said really matters. You know,
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I don't, I mean, I just, I just, my only thing
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is from about age 10 to about age 18 is the last
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time, is kind of the last time. we're going to
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have a chance to have organized group physical
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education, organized group health classes. So
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I'm still a big believer in health classes. There
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are kids who go through and don't. Maybe they
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need to hear why it's important to wipe yourself
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a certain way for hygienic reasons. Maybe it's
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important they find out why it's important to
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wash your hands after you urinate or defecate.
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Maybe they need to hear why it's important to
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floss once or twice a day. A lot of kids will
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come in and already know that. But what I've
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noticed is less and less and less and less do.
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To me, it's like one other time you can read
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the great books. You know, when? I mean, I do.
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But I'm an outlier. And I'm an outlier in everything
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I do. Everything. Proudly so. And L. Frank Baum
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wrote a lot more books than The Wizard of Oz
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in the Oz series. And one called The Scarecrow
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of Oz, he says, ordinary people are like leaves
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on trees. They die and they fall off. I like
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the extraordinary ones. And I think there's something
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to be said about that. The one thing I've noticed
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in life is, and Earl Nightingale says it, he
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talks about, and lead the field. You want to
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get at the top of the pyramid, that top 5%. It's
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only one out of 20. Only one out of 20 retirees
00:27:47.930 --> 00:27:50.809
have enough money to fund themselves without
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external help, without Social Security, without
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something else. One out of 20. Only one out of
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20 people in a corporation will finish the coursework
00:28:01.009 --> 00:28:05.529
to improve themselves at a job. Basically, only
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about one in 20 Americans train regularly. OK,
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if you talk to your dental hygienist, probably
00:28:13.740 --> 00:28:16.579
only one in 20 people come in floss twice a day.
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Certainly maybe. Yeah. Or why? Let's do that.
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One out of 20 people floss once a day. OK, what
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:28.839
you begin to see in life is that these little
00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:30.920
things I'm talking about, you know, getting that
00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:33.839
getting a good head start on your health, your
00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:37.759
fitness, maybe some things about longevity. That
00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:39.839
will put you in rare error the rest of your life.
00:28:40.019 --> 00:28:43.460
You know, taking care of your dental health at
00:28:43.460 --> 00:28:48.519
16, 17, 18 is, I'm 65. It'll do miles for you
00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:53.779
at my age. Taking care of your, you know, Art
00:28:53.779 --> 00:28:56.599
Devaney's great line, lady asked the question,
00:28:56.819 --> 00:29:00.859
what do you do if you, how do you lose fat? And
00:29:00.859 --> 00:29:02.559
he just looked at her and said, don't get fat
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:04.759
in the first place. Of course she got really
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:07.720
pissed off about that, but it's true. I mean,
00:29:07.779 --> 00:29:11.240
you know, the answer to so many questions is
00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:14.599
don't get fat in the first place. You know, what
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:16.740
do I do about bad dental health? Don't have bad
00:29:16.740 --> 00:29:19.900
dental health in the first place, you know? And
00:29:19.900 --> 00:29:23.599
so this is a long answer and I apologize. Don't
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:28.480
apologize. But I think, I think if you learn
00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:32.519
the rules of. It's interesting. I actually have
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:35.000
friends now who don't understand. They don't
00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:38.019
understand the rules of American football. And
00:29:38.019 --> 00:29:39.980
I'm not talking about I mean, I'm talking about
00:29:39.980 --> 00:29:43.480
people who look like they should know they'll
00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:45.359
come to a Super Bowl party and go, oh, sports
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:50.059
games. And I'm like, OK, yeah, don't at my Super
00:29:50.059 --> 00:29:52.440
Bowl party. Don't ask how many points a field
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:56.950
goal is, I think, because I mean, we take. Not
00:29:56.950 --> 00:29:59.490
the Super Bowl so much in this home, but the
00:29:59.490 --> 00:30:02.349
college football playoffs kind of seriously.
00:30:02.950 --> 00:30:08.190
And how do you not know about a free throw versus
00:30:08.190 --> 00:30:12.069
a three pointer? How do you not know the overtime
00:30:12.069 --> 00:30:19.369
rules in hockey, soccer, football? How do you
00:30:19.369 --> 00:30:21.569
not know what a discus throw is? To me, that
00:30:21.569 --> 00:30:25.910
goes right back. And to me. It's not being stupid.
00:30:26.009 --> 00:30:28.829
It's ignorance. And ignorance is the things you
00:30:28.829 --> 00:30:33.009
ignore. And I'm worried that, God, what did you
00:30:33.009 --> 00:30:36.329
hire? Grumpy old man today? Jeez. You're just
00:30:36.329 --> 00:30:40.210
getting passionate. Yeah. I'm worried that what's
00:30:40.210 --> 00:30:45.250
happened is we've decided to ignore things. As
00:30:45.250 --> 00:30:51.640
a community, we ignore things. We've let, and
00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:54.579
I was warned about this about 30 years ago at
00:30:54.579 --> 00:30:56.700
a workshop. It was a different kind of workshop,
00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:59.980
but they said that what happens is that because
00:30:59.980 --> 00:31:02.279
of the way the media works, and this is 30 years
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:05.460
ago, this is pre -internet, they reward the one
00:31:05.460 --> 00:31:09.799
percenters on each side of an argument. They
00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:13.160
want the one percenters on each side of an argument
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:19.039
to talk. I mean, I don't want to. This is a bad,
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:22.940
the topic was abortion. And the woman up there
00:31:22.940 --> 00:31:25.440
made a very good point. She goes, you know, and
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:28.599
she had a very strong view on the topic. And
00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:31.119
she goes, listen, when I hear what they put on
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:34.400
television, I also, and she said the radical
00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:38.299
98 % needs to take over. So anytime you have
00:31:38.299 --> 00:31:41.420
a physical education program in a school, we
00:31:41.420 --> 00:31:44.819
instantly fall, we let the 1 %ers run it. So
00:31:44.819 --> 00:31:48.119
you let the mommies who have the money, little
00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:51.240
Julia is going to take, one of my parents told
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:53.799
me one time that she spends 1200 bucks a month
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:57.240
on her daughter's club volleyball team. Take
00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:02.019
that money, put it in a jar, bury that jar in
00:32:02.019 --> 00:32:04.480
the backyard. Trust me, that's a better investment
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:08.380
than your daughter's crappy volleyball career.
00:32:09.040 --> 00:32:12.059
But we let those mommies talk. And then we find
00:32:12.059 --> 00:32:16.359
that other 1%. And I usually use the word fair
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:18.380
with this group. That's not fair. What do you
00:32:18.380 --> 00:32:20.799
mean it's not fair? Well, you know, let's go
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:23.380
back to the best years of our life. Billy doesn't
00:32:23.380 --> 00:32:26.160
have arms. And you're expecting him to do push
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:29.720
-ups. Well, listen, mommy. Listen, crazy person.
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:31.859
It's pretty obvious. We're not going to test
00:32:31.859 --> 00:32:34.380
him on pull -ups, okay? We get it. Those of us
00:32:34.380 --> 00:32:38.200
in the 98%, we get it. We understand the point.
00:32:38.809 --> 00:32:41.609
but we do think every child should be exposed
00:32:41.609 --> 00:32:45.009
to a floss in your teeth. One, one, one, 1 %
00:32:45.009 --> 00:32:48.049
will raise your hand. My son lost his teeth when
00:32:48.049 --> 00:32:50.329
he was five and an X or eight in an accident.
00:32:50.950 --> 00:32:52.869
Okay. We'll have a different set of rules for
00:32:52.869 --> 00:32:55.049
your son. Okay. Problem solved. You just rub
00:32:55.049 --> 00:32:58.769
your gums. Yeah. Yeah. We, you know, and then
00:32:58.769 --> 00:33:02.009
of course the other 1 % mommy will say, I take,
00:33:02.150 --> 00:33:05.690
you know, Cliven to the dentist every day. You
00:33:05.690 --> 00:33:09.490
know, I, Always we let those nuts on the ends
00:33:09.490 --> 00:33:12.710
dictate everything. And in physical education
00:33:12.710 --> 00:33:16.150
and in my field, we continue to do that. You
00:33:16.150 --> 00:33:20.029
know, by God, when you work with a fat loss female
00:33:20.029 --> 00:33:23.769
client, they talk about like the Ms. Olympia
00:33:23.769 --> 00:33:25.829
contest. Well, I don't want to look like that.
00:33:26.690 --> 00:33:30.730
Well, you're not. It's not going to happen. Nor
00:33:30.730 --> 00:33:32.750
are you going to look like Shaquille O 'Neal
00:33:32.750 --> 00:33:36.420
if you do shoot free throws. It just doesn't
00:33:36.420 --> 00:33:40.460
happen that easily. I mean, I'm always amazed
00:33:40.460 --> 00:33:43.599
that people think that they're two sets of five
00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:46.140
away from looking like Mr. Olympia. I always
00:33:46.140 --> 00:33:48.299
find that just fast. I'm afraid I'm going to
00:33:48.299 --> 00:33:53.339
swell up. Yeah, we'll try to get you to swell
00:33:53.339 --> 00:33:55.440
up for a day or two. And then what is every time
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:58.099
you go for a jog? Yeah, I'm fine with that, but
00:33:58.099 --> 00:33:59.779
I just don't want to look like one of those Kenyan
00:33:59.779 --> 00:34:05.029
marathoners. Just before you run that 159 marathon,
00:34:05.329 --> 00:34:09.650
we'll rethink about this. Yeah, it's crazy. But
00:34:09.650 --> 00:34:12.829
with the outlier conversation, the extremist,
00:34:12.849 --> 00:34:15.769
should I say, not the outlier, I think that's
00:34:15.769 --> 00:34:20.530
– well, firstly, the result is 2022. I spout
00:34:20.530 --> 00:34:22.369
this statistic out all the time. But our nation,
00:34:22.570 --> 00:34:25.050
you talk about flag -waving, best in the world,
00:34:25.170 --> 00:34:28.539
we're 70 % obese or overweight. That to me in
00:34:28.539 --> 00:34:30.639
that particular channel is not the best in the
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:32.900
world. I hate to tell everyone, but you look
00:34:32.900 --> 00:34:36.940
at PE and... Wait, wait. Our healthcare is terrible.
00:34:37.099 --> 00:34:40.679
Yes. Our educational system is... Teachers are
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:44.119
fleeing. It is hard to get a teacher right now.
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:49.239
Doctors are dropping out. The medical field is
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:52.460
in a huge turmoil. Many doctors have figured
00:34:52.460 --> 00:34:54.960
out it's much better just to slide over to a
00:34:54.960 --> 00:35:01.880
for -profit place. I mean, so yeah, go ahead.
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:03.199
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. No, no,
00:35:03.219 --> 00:35:05.940
but that's just it though. And I've had educators
00:35:05.940 --> 00:35:09.440
from Finland and I've had doctors from the UK,
00:35:09.500 --> 00:35:11.599
which I think fundamentally is an incredible
00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:13.619
system if it's actually run properly and funded
00:35:13.619 --> 00:35:17.300
properly. I've had prison guards from Norway
00:35:17.300 --> 00:35:21.130
and the guy that spearheaded... Portuguese decriminalization
00:35:21.130 --> 00:35:24.289
of addiction, you know, on the show. So all these
00:35:24.289 --> 00:35:25.989
great people. So it's not about bitching about
00:35:25.989 --> 00:35:27.789
the problem, bringing the solutions on as well,
00:35:27.849 --> 00:35:31.250
but take the physical education of today. I see
00:35:31.250 --> 00:35:33.610
two extremes and the extremes can be equally
00:35:33.610 --> 00:35:35.170
damaging. It'd be interesting to get your perspective.
00:35:35.590 --> 00:35:38.590
The one extreme is the PE. You know, like Doug
00:35:38.590 --> 00:35:40.389
Orchard was the guy that made this documentary
00:35:40.389 --> 00:35:43.530
and he put a Fitbit on his son. And he actually,
00:35:43.570 --> 00:35:44.989
I think he said something crazy. Like he got
00:35:44.989 --> 00:35:46.809
more exercise in his math class than he did in
00:35:46.809 --> 00:35:49.639
his PE class. But then you have the other extreme,
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:51.340
which I've talked about with other coaches too,
00:35:51.460 --> 00:35:55.320
where it's the sport route, but now you've got
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:57.940
this whole live vicariously through your child,
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:00.059
this travel team thing, and now we're breaking.
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:03.000
That was a real mind -blowing thing for me as
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:04.739
an Englishman coming over here, was all these
00:36:04.739 --> 00:36:06.960
Uncle Ricos. And I don't mean that to be mean,
00:36:07.019 --> 00:36:10.000
but it's just true. These broken... guys with
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:12.179
I could have been great stories that were only
00:36:12.179 --> 00:36:15.719
in their early mid -20s, and now they're obese.
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:19.840
So either side of those extremes, we are destroying
00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:24.780
wellness in this country. Well, it always makes
00:36:24.780 --> 00:36:26.960
me laugh when a parent thinks that they can buy
00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:30.219
their way into elite performance. The kid who's
00:36:30.219 --> 00:36:32.820
going to beat your child is the kid who's like,
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:37.210
this is the only option I have. This is it. If
00:36:37.210 --> 00:36:39.590
I can make, if I get a scholarship, if I can
00:36:39.590 --> 00:36:42.849
get scholarship, if I can get a contract, this
00:36:42.849 --> 00:36:46.010
is it. That kid who, you know, it's fascinating.
00:36:46.070 --> 00:36:48.449
My friend Chip, he was the strength coach for
00:36:48.449 --> 00:36:51.670
a NFL team. He told me, he goes, he walks to
00:36:51.670 --> 00:36:52.849
the parking lot and he pulls me over and goes,
00:36:52.929 --> 00:36:56.010
look in the back seats of all these cars. And
00:36:56.010 --> 00:36:59.590
so I go, that's kind of weird. And I looked through
00:36:59.590 --> 00:37:02.730
too, and they were basically filled with McDonald's
00:37:02.730 --> 00:37:05.510
bags. So we're talking about the highest end.
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:09.559
guys in professional sport in America who will
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:11.539
eat a McDonald's two and three and four times
00:37:11.539 --> 00:37:14.840
a day because growing up, McDonald's was a treat
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:18.400
to them. And now that they can afford it, they
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:22.420
will pop in and get McDonald's every single day.
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:26.079
When you say that sentence to a parent, they're
00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:28.559
like, what I'm trying to tell you is the guys
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:30.260
that you think little Billy's going to compete
00:37:30.260 --> 00:37:35.219
against think McDonald's is a treat. It's something
00:37:35.219 --> 00:37:39.880
special. It's something high end. And, you know,
00:37:39.940 --> 00:37:44.920
and your club team, I mean, I travel a lot, so
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:46.880
I'm in these hotels with these damn club teams.
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:49.780
They come in and they've got three, four, five
00:37:49.780 --> 00:37:54.260
different bags. And, you know, the moms will
00:37:54.260 --> 00:37:57.480
come in with these massive crates of those sugar
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.880
sports drinks, which just, I mean, honestly,
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:02.739
I just drank coffee. There's more value to a
00:38:02.739 --> 00:38:06.449
cup of coffee. any of that crap. And they'll
00:38:06.449 --> 00:38:08.469
have several coaches and they'll have to have
00:38:08.469 --> 00:38:11.309
a meeting room to talk about the schedule. And
00:38:11.309 --> 00:38:13.349
they've got, they're all wearing matching stuff
00:38:13.349 --> 00:38:15.829
and there's 80 different things. How come you
00:38:15.829 --> 00:38:19.429
need seven bags to be on a swim team? I've seen
00:38:19.429 --> 00:38:22.929
what you guys race in. You don't need a lot of,
00:38:22.929 --> 00:38:25.630
you don't need a lot of luggage to race in this
00:38:25.630 --> 00:38:28.190
thing. You know, I mean, you can actually put
00:38:28.190 --> 00:38:30.710
it in your jeans pocket and it was just fine.
00:38:30.750 --> 00:38:34.429
You know, But how often do those guys make it?
00:38:34.550 --> 00:38:36.010
And someone's going to raise their hand. Well,
00:38:36.050 --> 00:38:38.489
Dan, you don't understand it. Okay, I don't understand
00:38:38.489 --> 00:38:41.130
it. You're right. You're right. I don't. Except
00:38:41.130 --> 00:38:44.449
I've been a Division I MVP. And I know that none
00:38:44.449 --> 00:38:47.849
of the guys there, none of the guys on my team,
00:38:48.230 --> 00:38:53.510
there was no silver spoons at Division I. I mean,
00:38:53.530 --> 00:38:56.570
maybe in some sports, but not in mine. Yeah.
00:38:56.570 --> 00:38:58.349
Well, and I think, you know, you can then see.
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:00.860
the domino effect. I mean, the way we've done
00:39:00.860 --> 00:39:04.320
it with these extremes is not creating a healthy
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:06.780
country, you know, and if you're focusing purely
00:39:06.780 --> 00:39:09.139
on performance to the point where your kids are
00:39:09.139 --> 00:39:10.980
blowing out shoulders and knees at, you know,
00:39:10.980 --> 00:39:14.719
15, 16 years old, that's not well. And as I know,
00:39:14.780 --> 00:39:16.059
you know, and it's an interesting thing, even
00:39:16.059 --> 00:39:17.679
when you think about, I'll take football, for
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:21.000
example, you have that morbidly obese kid as
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:23.219
a coach, as a high school coach, are you trying
00:39:23.219 --> 00:39:25.980
to steer that kid towards losing some weight
00:39:25.980 --> 00:39:27.619
and being healthier? Or are you like, oh, that's
00:39:27.619 --> 00:39:29.800
great. I have a refrigerator on my defensive
00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:32.280
line. I'm just going to tell him to keep eating.
00:39:32.380 --> 00:39:35.780
So where is that line of, I think we've steered
00:39:35.780 --> 00:39:39.099
away from wellness towards performance or completely
00:39:39.099 --> 00:39:41.619
away the other way. This is how I break it up.
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:45.460
Health is the optimal interplay of the human
00:39:45.460 --> 00:39:48.619
organs. That's Maffetone's definition. So I think
00:39:48.619 --> 00:39:50.320
it's very important to discuss health with your
00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:54.110
athletes. Well, with your kindergartners, health
00:39:54.110 --> 00:39:57.769
is flossing, seatbelts, helmets, health. Then
00:39:57.769 --> 00:40:00.230
there's fitness. That's the ability to do a task.
00:40:00.389 --> 00:40:04.090
And we've let fitness, and especially now after
00:40:04.090 --> 00:40:09.269
the internet era, fitness is now posting yourself
00:40:09.269 --> 00:40:12.150
doing some idiotic thing. And that's, well, God
00:40:12.150 --> 00:40:14.030
bless you. Good for you. It's the ability of
00:40:14.030 --> 00:40:16.489
a task. And that's it. Right now, I'm totally
00:40:16.489 --> 00:40:18.650
fit to do this podcast. I'm sitting in a chair.
00:40:18.829 --> 00:40:23.210
My dog is. bugging me here on my, down here.
00:40:23.630 --> 00:40:27.210
I'm fit to do it though. Longevity is a quality
00:40:27.210 --> 00:40:30.510
and quantity issue. People in my family don't
00:40:30.510 --> 00:40:33.409
live long, but I'm trying to do my best to have
00:40:33.409 --> 00:40:35.389
real quality experience here on this planet.
00:40:35.769 --> 00:40:37.449
And then there's the thing called performance.
00:40:37.889 --> 00:40:39.949
And that's when they call your name, you step
00:40:39.949 --> 00:40:42.550
up and you perform. And then there's this last
00:40:42.550 --> 00:40:46.010
one that kind of doesn't fit great. But it's
00:40:46.010 --> 00:40:48.809
the word I use is I'm starting to use the word
00:40:48.809 --> 00:40:52.840
vanity, but It's body composition, but it's okay
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:56.840
because after about age 55, vanity is a perfectly
00:40:56.840 --> 00:41:00.519
good reason for someone to keep training. You
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:04.800
know, if you're my age and you want to look good
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:07.780
for any reason at all, that's actually pretty
00:41:07.780 --> 00:41:10.760
damn good because to look good, you got to move
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:16.599
good. You just kind of keep flipping that. It's
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:19.699
like heads and tails. Look good, feel good. Look
00:41:19.699 --> 00:41:21.860
good, feel good. And that's okay. Look good,
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:24.559
feel good, move good. And boom, boom, boom. And
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:27.079
don't take an English class after you say that
00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:31.320
sentence. But when I sit back and I say that.
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:35.380
I think it's the job of a community to emphasize
00:41:35.380 --> 00:41:38.579
health because long, if, if we get everybody,
00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:42.360
I love how I say, if everybody floss their teeth
00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:44.940
twice a day and brush their teeth twice a day,
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:49.559
went to the dentist three times a year. If we
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:54.559
had yearly physicals that also checked into joints
00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:59.179
and yearly physicals that looked into. trending
00:41:59.179 --> 00:42:02.639
obesity you know so that if you had 12 physicals
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:05.320
in a row and we could trend your what direction
00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:08.980
you're heading in to me that's that that'd be
00:42:08.980 --> 00:42:13.940
a much better i mean because that's just the
00:42:13.940 --> 00:42:17.519
start of it but um those are the kinds of things
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:20.820
that i think physical education always should
00:42:20.820 --> 00:42:24.199
always do a better job on i have a one workout
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:27.440
where i recommend to people one personal trainers
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:30.619
and basically it's it's 15 minutes a 30 30 minute
00:42:30.619 --> 00:42:33.099
workout and then at the end of the workout and
00:42:33.099 --> 00:42:36.320
at 15 minutes as the trainer you hand out a floss
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:40.719
stick and then you coach the movements that you
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:42.860
know okay here's the issue i'm seeing when people
00:42:42.860 --> 00:42:45.980
are doing push -ups and you up coach at the end
00:42:45.980 --> 00:42:48.000
of that period while people are flossing their
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:52.059
teeth and and Everybody laughs because I keep
00:42:52.059 --> 00:42:55.199
emphasizing the flossing the teeth. But frankly,
00:42:55.579 --> 00:42:59.019
long term, that 30 minute workout was probably
00:42:59.019 --> 00:43:02.420
pretty good for you. And that learning to move,
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:05.440
you know, the coaching and cuing on the movements
00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:07.260
probably is going to help you long term. But
00:43:07.260 --> 00:43:10.360
so is that damn flossing because it's the habits
00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:13.159
that keep you going. I'm sorry, I'm talking way
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:15.940
too much. I apologize. No, no, it's totally pertinent,
00:43:15.940 --> 00:43:17.880
though. And I think, you know, that's it. We
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:19.820
need these conversations, especially now. I mean,
00:43:19.860 --> 00:43:21.500
one of the most heartbreaking things of the last
00:43:21.500 --> 00:43:23.619
two years, and this was where I stood, and you
00:43:23.619 --> 00:43:25.059
talk about the middle of the road, that's where
00:43:25.059 --> 00:43:27.039
I had one foot on either side of the dotted line,
00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:31.119
is whatever your perspective of, you know, the
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:33.699
dangers of this virus and, you know, the treatment
00:43:33.699 --> 00:43:36.860
options that were presented to you. The absolute
00:43:36.860 --> 00:43:39.739
raw truth was if you improve your underlying
00:43:39.739 --> 00:43:42.239
health, your outcome is going to be better, whether
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:45.139
you choose a vaccine or ivermectin or whatever
00:43:45.139 --> 00:43:49.800
you've been kind of sold. And yet, sadly, that
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:51.780
wasn't only not talked about, it was suppressed.
00:43:52.059 --> 00:43:54.639
And here we are two years later, and the most
00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:57.119
disgusting thing is that people are mentally
00:43:57.119 --> 00:43:59.679
and physically sicker than they were two years
00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:02.059
ago. So not only did we not learn a lesson, we
00:44:02.059 --> 00:44:06.179
actually regressed even more. this wellness comment
00:44:06.179 --> 00:44:08.380
even if it's something as simple as flossing
00:44:08.380 --> 00:44:11.000
your teeth if that leads to then maybe taking
00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:13.800
the dog for a walk so maybe you know dropping
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:16.019
in and going to the local pool and swimming for
00:44:16.019 --> 00:44:17.739
10 minutes and then you build and build and build
00:44:17.739 --> 00:44:20.920
eventually you will start forcing these habits
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:24.159
but the environment that was created and ownership
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:27.320
is obviously absolutely key but i kind of try
00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:30.590
and like play devil's advocate So if you have
00:44:30.590 --> 00:44:32.210
an environment like last year at high school
00:44:32.210 --> 00:44:34.150
where you're a child and you come in and you
00:44:34.150 --> 00:44:37.789
wear the same uniform and you stand on the number
00:44:37.789 --> 00:44:40.889
and you forge community and your teams want to
00:44:40.889 --> 00:44:42.710
level up and then the next thing you've graduated
00:44:42.710 --> 00:44:45.150
and you're a phenomenal shape that carries you
00:44:45.150 --> 00:44:47.070
through the rest of your life, that's also a
00:44:47.070 --> 00:44:49.230
product of your environment. If your environment
00:44:49.230 --> 00:44:50.710
is your government tells you to stay in your
00:44:50.710 --> 00:44:52.489
house and shut up and you can get alcohol and
00:44:52.489 --> 00:44:55.030
fast food delivered to your house, that's not
00:44:55.030 --> 00:44:58.659
an environment that's promoting health. Now all
00:44:58.659 --> 00:45:00.219
that white noise has stopped for the moment.
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:02.400
And if you're not listening to, you know, Eastern
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:06.179
European politics or gas prices, these are such
00:45:06.179 --> 00:45:08.039
important conversations for people to realize,
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:12.300
okay, today I can floss one single tooth and
00:45:12.300 --> 00:45:14.780
then start building on that. Oh, DJ Fogg, yeah.
00:45:15.019 --> 00:45:16.639
Exactly. And I've heard you talk about that too
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:19.099
and Tim Ferriss and other people, but that's
00:45:19.099 --> 00:45:21.940
exactly it. The only day we have is today. So
00:45:21.940 --> 00:45:23.980
if you haven't done it up to this point, then
00:45:23.980 --> 00:45:28.469
start today. Well, I mean, well, that's my whole,
00:45:28.469 --> 00:45:31.829
all my stuff's in the other room, but you know,
00:45:31.829 --> 00:45:35.289
every, every single day I, you know, I start
00:45:35.289 --> 00:45:38.530
every day. Well, yeah, this, I start every day
00:45:38.530 --> 00:45:40.329
and I put a line down a piece of paper and I
00:45:40.329 --> 00:45:44.250
write my two most important goals. And I, after
00:45:44.250 --> 00:45:47.949
I sleep, meditate, drink coffee every single
00:45:47.949 --> 00:45:49.969
day, I think of better ways to achieve my two
00:45:49.969 --> 00:45:52.590
most important goals. And that's, but I mean,
00:45:52.610 --> 00:45:55.409
I'm, I'm an outliers outlier. I get that. And,
00:45:56.570 --> 00:46:00.309
My thing on the whole COVID stuff is that if
00:46:00.309 --> 00:46:03.190
you would have told my mom, and I've said this
00:46:03.190 --> 00:46:07.070
many times, my mom, her husband went off to war.
00:46:07.210 --> 00:46:09.230
Her brothers went off to war. Her sons went off
00:46:09.230 --> 00:46:15.650
to war. They didn't come back whole. She didn't
00:46:15.650 --> 00:46:18.329
fear war. She feared polio. And if you would
00:46:18.329 --> 00:46:20.289
have told my mom, you're not going to get the
00:46:20.289 --> 00:46:24.250
polio vaccine because of some, you know. whatever,
00:46:24.369 --> 00:46:26.369
she'd have slapped your face right off. And she
00:46:26.369 --> 00:46:28.389
was a tough little Irish woman, and she would
00:46:28.389 --> 00:46:34.690
have done it. So, for me, I always think, maybe
00:46:34.690 --> 00:46:37.829
it's because of my theological background, but
00:46:37.829 --> 00:46:40.869
I've always been somebody who was taught to put
00:46:40.869 --> 00:46:45.280
the community first. So if I can do some, I do
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:46.860
this other thing that's kind of weird. Here in
00:46:46.860 --> 00:46:48.360
the United States, I drive on the right side
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:50.579
of the road, even though I think my individual
00:46:50.579 --> 00:46:52.619
freedom should allow me to drive on the left
00:46:52.619 --> 00:46:56.840
side of the road. Sometimes you got to just kind
00:46:56.840 --> 00:46:59.960
of go with the flow. And again, the COVID example
00:46:59.960 --> 00:47:05.880
is always going to be, you know, I have a few
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:08.719
friends who, and I'm thinking of one guy who
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:14.570
I really like, who, barely survived COVID. And
00:47:14.570 --> 00:47:16.869
it's interesting to have a conversation with
00:47:16.869 --> 00:47:21.809
him about how he feels now after the 42 days
00:47:21.809 --> 00:47:25.429
he spent in intensive care. And it's like one
00:47:25.429 --> 00:47:28.230
of those things where, true, true, you're absolutely
00:47:28.230 --> 00:47:32.389
right. Everything that was done was done badly.
00:47:33.590 --> 00:47:39.369
We couldn't have put together a worse torrent
00:47:39.369 --> 00:47:46.900
of Issues here. But I will agree with your point.
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:53.840
We have been denigrating physical education in
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:58.340
this country. And well, our education system
00:47:58.340 --> 00:48:03.280
has. I mean, I mean, for example, the parents
00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:07.139
don't want this, you know, this this idea that.
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:10.219
We're back to banning books again in schools
00:48:10.219 --> 00:48:14.360
and the book choices. They want to ban Harry
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:17.760
Potter, for God's sakes. Why are we letting those
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:21.440
outliers, again, dominate the conversation? And
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:24.440
why do some parents think they're experts on
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:26.940
everything? And the funny thing is, the ones
00:48:26.940 --> 00:48:30.380
who teach that, a principal told me that the
00:48:30.380 --> 00:48:34.280
worst parent he has to deal with was a child.
00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:37.760
Okay, the worst parent at the school is someone
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:41.440
I taught. And now this parent is an expert on
00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:45.179
every topic. I taught this person. And I can
00:48:45.179 --> 00:48:48.000
tell you from this was the greatest slacker in
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:51.980
history who happened to marry very well. So it's
00:48:51.980 --> 00:48:57.199
just funny how the universe works. All right,
00:48:57.199 --> 00:48:58.760
enough of that. Let's move on. Yeah, yeah. So
00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:00.460
I was looking for a kind of tangent, but there
00:49:00.460 --> 00:49:03.119
was no organic one. So we'll just hit the handbrake
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:06.719
and turn. You obviously have a strong background
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:10.280
in coaching on the sporting side. When did you
00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:12.460
start kind of getting into the tactical side?
00:49:12.579 --> 00:49:14.739
Obviously, you were there at TSAC. And then what
00:49:14.739 --> 00:49:16.820
differences did you start noticing with some
00:49:16.820 --> 00:49:18.940
of the tactical athletes that you were presented
00:49:18.940 --> 00:49:22.840
with versus the sporting athletes? First off,
00:49:22.860 --> 00:49:27.360
I hate the phrase tactical athletes. When I mentioned
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:31.719
this crap, pardon me, when I talked to my brother,
00:49:31.820 --> 00:49:34.739
especially Gary, about this kind of stuff, it
00:49:34.739 --> 00:49:40.679
really really upsets him uh he the there's a
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:43.199
book written on his group called search and destroy
00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:47.039
they had to keep taking and retaking cigar island
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:51.059
in vietnam and you know we're talking about these
00:49:51.059 --> 00:49:55.400
math so to to prepare themselves they you know
00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:58.260
those folding chairs those crappy folding chairs
00:49:58.260 --> 00:50:00.820
that everybody sits in you know that yeah they
00:50:00.820 --> 00:50:04.679
always break at parties the summer They basically
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:07.500
duct tape those to the top of their armored personnel
00:50:07.500 --> 00:50:10.699
carriers. And they had a guy up on top of that
00:50:10.699 --> 00:50:14.280
leading the fight so he could see better. So
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:16.719
they duct tape a folding chair on top of the
00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:21.099
APCs to go into battle. And he goes, you know,
00:50:21.099 --> 00:50:23.599
and I've seen pictures. And I actually have a
00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:26.739
couple of him in Vietnam. And they are just a
00:50:26.739 --> 00:50:31.860
bunch of skinny guys, you know, just fighting
00:50:31.860 --> 00:50:36.159
for each other. And, you know, now, you know,
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:39.639
now we have these, I mean, every single thing
00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:42.719
we do has that little edge to it. You know, there's,
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:45.280
it's not just, we're not just doing a race anymore.
00:50:45.340 --> 00:50:47.760
Now it's a sparking challenge, you know, you
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:51.599
know, now let's say, you know, I don't know,
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:56.659
Athenian warlord challenge. Everything is militarized,
00:50:56.699 --> 00:51:00.869
but. When you talk to people who've been, like
00:51:00.869 --> 00:51:03.650
I got a buddy who's been deployed 14 times. And
00:51:03.650 --> 00:51:06.150
when you talk to him about this stuff, basically
00:51:06.150 --> 00:51:09.010
he tells you, all you need to do to train is
00:51:09.010 --> 00:51:11.150
do loaded carries because all you ever do is
00:51:11.150 --> 00:51:13.190
pick stuff up and move it from here to there,
00:51:13.250 --> 00:51:16.750
here to there, here to there. And then when someone
00:51:16.750 --> 00:51:20.650
shoots you, you find a hole. Years ago, years
00:51:20.650 --> 00:51:23.389
and years ago, my brother Gary told me that the
00:51:23.389 --> 00:51:26.369
reason he think he survived in Vietnam because
00:51:26.780 --> 00:51:28.960
We used to play hide and go seek almost every
00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:32.440
night in the summer and hide and go seek taught
00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:36.239
him more about survival than all the, I don't
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:38.219
know, all the pushups in the world and, you know,
00:51:38.219 --> 00:51:41.340
kipping pull -ups you'd ever do, you know? So
00:51:41.340 --> 00:51:47.639
the number one thing for me is when I work with
00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:53.280
America's military is how brutally injured our
00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:58.090
forces are. The shoulder issues, the knee issues,
00:51:58.190 --> 00:52:03.170
the lower back issues. And so, you know, like,
00:52:03.230 --> 00:52:04.690
for example, I came up with something called
00:52:04.690 --> 00:52:08.469
the post -deployment program. And it's a very
00:52:08.469 --> 00:52:13.690
popular, you know what I could do? Maybe I'm
00:52:13.690 --> 00:52:15.769
going to have to bounce right after this to coach,
00:52:15.929 --> 00:52:19.590
but email me and I'll send you the whole program.
00:52:19.730 --> 00:52:21.130
And if you want to share it with your audience,
00:52:21.289 --> 00:52:23.510
I'm fine. Oh, thank you. I appreciate it. I'll
00:52:23.510 --> 00:52:25.860
put it on the webpage with this episode. Yeah,
00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:31.219
and the post -deployment program is, you know,
00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:34.500
the first month you, I mean, the presses are
00:52:34.500 --> 00:52:37.519
all half -kneeling presses. And the reason we
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:39.420
do that is to get the hip flexor to stretch,
00:52:39.539 --> 00:52:43.059
to reteach the glute to work, to support the
00:52:43.059 --> 00:52:45.500
lower back, and to have the shoulder work through
00:52:45.500 --> 00:52:48.360
a full range of motion. The pulling exercise
00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:52.880
for the first month is to hang. That's it. um
00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:55.599
it's high rep squats and it's rack deadlifts
00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:58.460
and it's lots and lots of loaded carries and
00:52:58.460 --> 00:53:05.900
and the pacific command really supports this
00:53:05.900 --> 00:53:08.920
this program in fact uh you know somebody with
00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:13.579
stars on their shirt told me that was a uh you
00:53:13.579 --> 00:53:16.139
know it was a game changer for him personally
00:53:16.139 --> 00:53:18.980
and he he's starting to really understand the
00:53:18.980 --> 00:53:23.510
role of post -deployment training. You know,
00:53:23.550 --> 00:53:26.869
pre -deployment training should, I mean, personally,
00:53:26.969 --> 00:53:29.730
for every push -up you do, I'd rather you work
00:53:29.730 --> 00:53:33.150
on your sharpshooting skills. I mean, for every
00:53:33.150 --> 00:53:37.789
burpee, you know, you should be practicing appropriate
00:53:37.789 --> 00:53:40.789
concealment techniques, you know, because as
00:53:40.789 --> 00:53:42.769
great as burpees are, and I think they're a bunch
00:53:42.769 --> 00:53:48.630
of crap, the truth is, the enemy will figure
00:53:48.630 --> 00:53:51.079
out what you're doing. after the 30th burpee,
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:52.420
and I think they're going to get a good shot
00:53:52.420 --> 00:53:58.019
at you. So for me, the number one thing I've
00:53:58.019 --> 00:54:00.880
kind of come around to is the realization of
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:07.760
how broken our forces are. And we have great
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:13.880
physios. My niece, who's a colonel, she's a nurse.
00:54:14.619 --> 00:54:17.219
And I'm very proud of what the nurses and doctors
00:54:17.219 --> 00:54:23.840
have done remarkably in here to fix the real
00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:27.219
breaks. But it's the lower end stuff that we've
00:54:27.219 --> 00:54:31.519
got to work on. The nagging lower back, hip,
00:54:31.659 --> 00:54:36.360
knee, ankle injuries, shoulders, shoulders, 90
00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:39.380
percent, 90 plus percent. And we have to be a
00:54:39.380 --> 00:54:44.900
lot smarter about. working with the general military
00:54:44.900 --> 00:54:49.860
core with these egregious issues. And I would
00:54:49.860 --> 00:54:54.900
say, yeah, shoulders, hang for your shoulders,
00:54:55.000 --> 00:54:56.980
half -kneeling press. I'm going to stick with
00:54:56.980 --> 00:54:58.460
it. There, I'm going to give you the damn program.
00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:03.159
Wader walks, suitcase carries. Suitcase, by the
00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:06.719
way, suitcase carries and wader walks help stabilize
00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:10.869
the shoulders. suitcase carries are great for
00:55:10.869 --> 00:55:13.650
pitchers. They actually help the velocity according
00:55:13.650 --> 00:55:17.010
to one of the teams I work with. And because
00:55:17.010 --> 00:55:19.110
it builds up and they have some reason for it,
00:55:19.130 --> 00:55:21.829
I don't care. I don't care why it works, if it
00:55:21.829 --> 00:55:25.389
works. So the whole program is based on making
00:55:25.389 --> 00:55:32.170
people move better and feel better. So for me,
00:55:32.250 --> 00:55:39.750
the thing that is just how broken, the core is
00:55:39.750 --> 00:55:42.949
when they get back. Now I knew that growing up
00:55:42.949 --> 00:55:45.050
when, you know, when I was, what was I, I was
00:55:45.050 --> 00:55:48.030
in the third grade, I was in the third grade
00:55:48.030 --> 00:55:49.949
when Ray came home from NOM and I was in the
00:55:49.949 --> 00:55:52.730
sixth grade when Gary came home. So I was up
00:55:52.730 --> 00:56:00.309
close and personal watching what, what post -deployment
00:56:00.309 --> 00:56:03.510
looks like in the real world. But now that I'm
00:56:03.510 --> 00:56:07.179
a professional, Now I realize that, I mean, I
00:56:07.179 --> 00:56:11.400
saw the wounded side of being, of, you know,
00:56:11.400 --> 00:56:15.000
Gary losing his hearing and Ray, you know, Ray
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:20.780
still has massive issues. I mean, I'm in full
00:56:20.780 --> 00:56:23.900
candor. I'm shocked that Ray and Gary are still
00:56:23.900 --> 00:56:29.820
alive. My brother, Phil, is not. He died. Wow.
00:56:30.300 --> 00:56:35.360
Almost three years ago, I guess now. Yeah. But,
00:56:35.360 --> 00:56:39.679
you know, God bless Ray. I'm shocked he's still
00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:42.239
alive. He was one of those Marines got hit by
00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:45.000
Agent Orange. Both of his shoulders are gone
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:48.360
because he was a mortar man. By definition, all
00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:51.519
mortar men have no shoulders. It's just that's
00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:59.159
the issue. So what I think we need to be much
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:02.289
more holistic as we address this. There's no
00:57:02.289 --> 00:57:05.429
question on the, I'm going to say mental side,
00:57:05.570 --> 00:57:11.670
but we used to, now we train you to unlock a
00:57:11.670 --> 00:57:17.469
thing. 1 % of males, maybe two, can kill with
00:57:17.469 --> 00:57:22.590
impunity. The rest of us have to be trained to
00:57:22.590 --> 00:57:25.789
overcome that urge, to be able to repeat it.
00:57:25.949 --> 00:57:28.949
So that has to be addressed, you know, to kind
00:57:28.949 --> 00:57:31.650
of get us back to being normal. You're going
00:57:31.650 --> 00:57:34.469
to see some things that humans should not see.
00:57:34.829 --> 00:57:37.570
We got to deal with that. On the emotional side,
00:57:37.849 --> 00:57:41.170
while you were deployed, your girlfriend married
00:57:41.170 --> 00:57:44.809
somebody else and has two kids, okay, or whatever,
00:57:44.909 --> 00:57:47.610
you know, while you did this thing, we got to
00:57:47.610 --> 00:57:50.349
deal with that. Financially, we've got to help
00:57:50.349 --> 00:57:52.590
you, you know, in a number of different ways.
00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:00.840
ongoing education has to be taken care of, blah,
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:04.320
blah, blah. On the physical realm, here are these
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:07.719
issues. And sadly, we can fix the financial very
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:10.639
well. I think we can fix some of the emotional,
00:58:10.739 --> 00:58:13.980
mental things pretty well. We've got to be as
00:58:13.980 --> 00:58:17.619
good at getting you back to whatever. whatever
00:58:17.619 --> 00:58:20.599
normal is post -deployment. Maybe that shoulder
00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:22.400
will never, you may never, never throw a fastball
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:25.360
again, but at least be able to, you know, you
00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:27.800
don't have to type like this, you know, you know.
00:58:28.980 --> 00:58:31.460
So that, that, that's what, that's what I think.
00:58:32.119 --> 00:58:34.519
Well, again, I appreciate your, your perspective
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:36.940
and it's, you know, it's, it's always interesting
00:58:36.940 --> 00:58:39.519
getting people who, again, are known for the
00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:41.920
sporting side and then looking at the, the military.
00:58:42.099 --> 00:58:44.460
My community is the fire, you know, firefighters.
00:58:44.739 --> 00:58:47.840
So again, we don't have, post -deployment. So
00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:50.880
what I see through my lens, and I'm a white belt,
00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:56.099
one black stripe coach myself, is when every
00:58:56.099 --> 00:58:58.500
third day you're not sleeping, you're not getting
00:58:58.500 --> 00:59:00.639
the ability to recover mentally or physically.
00:59:00.820 --> 00:59:03.639
I see my men and women breaking down mentally,
00:59:03.699 --> 00:59:06.400
but I also see the injuries. And the sad thing
00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:11.119
is, is this kind of like known guffawing of...
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:14.099
deconditioned firefighters making fun of the
00:59:14.099 --> 00:59:15.980
ones that take this training seriously and they
00:59:15.980 --> 00:59:17.519
go oh it's the fit ones that always get hurt
00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:19.139
well if you look at sleep medicine there's a
00:59:19.139 --> 00:59:21.340
reason for that because they're training but
00:59:21.340 --> 00:59:22.900
they're not being given the ability to truly
00:59:22.900 --> 00:59:26.039
recover but i see my profession plagued with
00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:27.480
injuries and then you start getting the weight
00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:31.539
gain so with with these you know whether it's
00:59:31.539 --> 00:59:34.219
military fire police or you know just regular
00:59:34.219 --> 00:59:38.199
person in the street I see how an injury can
00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:40.940
become a real barrier to continuing your strength
00:59:40.940 --> 00:59:42.679
and conditioning because it just fucking hurts,
00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:46.320
for lack of a better word. You summarized it
00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:50.639
perfectly. So how do you help some of your athletes
00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:52.980
that you work with navigate that so they can
00:59:52.980 --> 00:59:54.739
get back? I mean, obviously not specific injury,
00:59:54.860 --> 00:59:57.559
but just in general. Let's do this right now.
00:59:57.619 --> 01:00:04.340
Let me find the post -deployment program. All
01:00:04.340 --> 01:00:09.440
right, we're going to send this. All right, so
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:12.860
what I'm going to do is I'm going to send. This
01:00:12.860 --> 01:00:15.900
is how I do it. I could be wrong. I doubt that.
01:00:19.519 --> 01:00:23.619
Basically, so let's slide back. You brought up
01:00:23.619 --> 01:00:26.059
recovery, so let's start there. I have this little
01:00:26.059 --> 01:00:28.659
thing called the rules of recovery, and then
01:00:28.659 --> 01:00:31.539
I highlight them in red. The biggest issue you
01:00:31.539 --> 01:00:34.760
guys have, no offense. the tactical side, the
01:00:34.760 --> 01:00:37.139
firefighters and all you guys, you go online
01:00:37.139 --> 01:00:39.420
and you have a condition that my daughter explained
01:00:39.420 --> 01:00:44.039
to me is called FOMO, fear of missing out. You
01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:47.659
keep thinking that you're one new recovery device.
01:00:47.820 --> 01:00:50.800
Oh, I've got an app on my phone. Oh, I wear this
01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:57.079
magic ring. And the truth is my brother, number
01:00:57.079 --> 01:01:01.219
one is sleep. I'm not sure there's a number two.
01:01:02.570 --> 01:01:06.389
And that's the problem. Right now, you talk about
01:01:06.389 --> 01:01:08.110
flogging a dead horse. This is my dead horse.
01:01:08.590 --> 01:01:13.110
Right now, the person that is checking out your
01:01:13.110 --> 01:01:15.650
groceries at the store or your banker at the
01:01:15.650 --> 01:01:19.030
bank, 40 hours they're hitting their work week
01:01:19.030 --> 01:01:23.460
ceiling. The fire service, 56 hours usually is
01:01:23.460 --> 01:01:25.340
the bare minimum before they're told they can't
01:01:25.340 --> 01:01:27.559
go home for a shift. And now it becomes a 72
01:01:27.559 --> 01:01:30.039
-hour work week. So the men and women that we
01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:32.840
have that we're asking to be at this peak physical
01:01:32.840 --> 01:01:35.539
and mental performance, sometimes a minute after
01:01:35.539 --> 01:01:37.760
they've got out of bed, are the ones that we're
01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:39.739
working into the ground and not giving their
01:01:39.739 --> 01:01:42.980
recovery. Very conversely to all their sporting
01:01:42.980 --> 01:01:46.320
heroes that they adore every weekend. Right.
01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:49.780
And it's interesting because I made a minimum.
01:01:50.170 --> 01:01:52.150
for myself of nine hours of sleep every night.
01:01:52.829 --> 01:01:56.050
So I'm 65. I'm an Olympic lift. Hi, I'm Dan.
01:01:56.230 --> 01:02:01.250
I'm 65. And I have a bare minimum of nine hours.
01:02:02.369 --> 01:02:04.269
The second thing, and this is something I think
01:02:04.269 --> 01:02:05.829
you guys need to be better. And this is something,
01:02:05.929 --> 01:02:08.809
now the problem with the word I'm about to use
01:02:08.809 --> 01:02:11.849
is it's still considered to be kind of a woohoo
01:02:11.849 --> 01:02:15.369
meditation. We know that, I don't know if you've
01:02:15.369 --> 01:02:17.130
suffered from concussions, but it has been a
01:02:17.130 --> 01:02:20.550
major issue in my life. I have. I was a martial
01:02:20.550 --> 01:02:22.969
artist for quite a long time. Yeah, I got hit
01:02:22.969 --> 01:02:26.349
with a discus. It should have killed me. Which
01:02:26.349 --> 01:02:28.230
it should have killed me. In fact, I still think
01:02:28.230 --> 01:02:30.969
I'm dead. And these are just the synapses just
01:02:30.969 --> 01:02:35.869
playing off this wonderful little story. I don't,
01:02:35.889 --> 01:02:39.989
yeah, I could be. I have right over here. I have
01:02:39.989 --> 01:02:41.989
a, don't I grab it real quick? Yeah, please.
01:02:44.489 --> 01:02:47.050
And I'm not, by the way, as you know, I don't
01:02:47.050 --> 01:02:50.380
sell anything, right? So this is a sleep mask
01:02:50.380 --> 01:02:55.099
with Bluetooth speakers in it. Ah, okay. So sleep
01:02:55.099 --> 01:02:58.119
mask, Bluetooth speakers. Every morning when
01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:02.579
I wake up, the moment I wake up, before I put
01:03:02.579 --> 01:03:05.900
on my makeup, I say a little prayer for you.
01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:09.599
So every morning after I wake up, I put this
01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:13.000
on and I do a 15 minute meditation from brain
01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:16.989
.fm. And I do the one called. Brain reflection.
01:03:17.489 --> 01:03:21.750
I have probably gone through a couple of hundred
01:03:21.750 --> 01:03:23.809
different ones and I like that one the best.
01:03:25.150 --> 01:03:28.769
Meditation is where you consciously bring yourself
01:03:28.769 --> 01:03:32.329
down. You turn the engine. And the reason I do
01:03:32.329 --> 01:03:35.030
it first thing is that when I meditate, most
01:03:35.030 --> 01:03:38.429
of the time I fall asleep. And one of the things
01:03:38.429 --> 01:03:41.170
about you, if you fall asleep while you're meditating,
01:03:41.369 --> 01:03:45.199
that means you're tired. So meditation is actively
01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:48.039
practicing. But what's funny is that the research
01:03:48.039 --> 01:03:51.099
on meditation with concussions is that it's just
01:03:51.099 --> 01:03:54.340
excellent. I mean, it's very good for concussions.
01:03:54.460 --> 01:03:56.559
And the other advice I recommend is this thing
01:03:56.559 --> 01:03:59.900
here. And nothing else I've ever discovered works
01:03:59.900 --> 01:04:02.619
as well as this damn thing. This is that, for
01:04:02.619 --> 01:04:05.079
those of you just listening, this is that gun.
01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:07.619
What do you call them? Massage guns? Yeah, Theragun
01:04:07.619 --> 01:04:09.519
or whatever. I think Theragun is the brand, but
01:04:09.519 --> 01:04:12.239
yeah. Every single other thing I've ever tried
01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:16.099
between, I've got vibra, I can almost hear, yeah,
01:04:16.179 --> 01:04:18.739
almost usually I've got crap right behind me.
01:04:19.659 --> 01:04:22.719
But I've got the, I mean, I've got the vibrating
01:04:22.719 --> 01:04:26.500
head massage, you know, the neck massager. I
01:04:26.500 --> 01:04:28.539
got the little thing you go like this. I've got
01:04:28.539 --> 01:04:34.579
the mat. So right there, I have a sauna. So for
01:04:34.579 --> 01:04:38.840
me, meditation, sauna. And then I take this into
01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:43.079
the sauna, by the way. And then, and then while
01:04:43.079 --> 01:04:48.360
I'm schvitzing, I, uh, I, uh, I try to rub out
01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:50.780
those hotspots, which, oh, there's one right
01:04:50.780 --> 01:04:56.820
there. So now this cost me 80 bucks and that
01:04:56.820 --> 01:04:59.719
cost me about 20 bucks. And the, the lifetime
01:04:59.719 --> 01:05:04.280
subscription to, uh, brain FM wasn't very expensive.
01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:08.260
Those are the best three things I can tell you.
01:05:08.719 --> 01:05:14.519
So, okay, first, sleep by itself. Make sleep
01:05:14.519 --> 01:05:18.719
king. If you're sleeping at the station, I think
01:05:18.719 --> 01:05:22.219
you should have a face mask on and be listening
01:05:22.219 --> 01:05:24.739
to white noise. I also have a white noise machine
01:05:24.739 --> 01:05:30.840
over there, too. After that, I would say meditate,
01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:38.969
some kind of self -massage. I like the gun. Obviously,
01:05:38.969 --> 01:05:42.690
there might be some nutritional things. I don't
01:05:42.690 --> 01:05:46.130
know. In my case, fermented food seems to help
01:05:46.130 --> 01:05:49.750
with my recovery. That might be a one -off. But
01:05:49.750 --> 01:05:53.710
after that, everything else is just FOMO. Yeah,
01:05:53.730 --> 01:05:56.110
I can agree with you. I meditate. I use an app
01:05:56.110 --> 01:05:57.909
called Headspace. It's probably exactly the same
01:05:57.909 --> 01:06:00.650
kind of thing. I love that. I think, yeah, the
01:06:00.650 --> 01:06:02.349
only problem with the sleep mask with the Bluetooth
01:06:02.349 --> 01:06:04.170
is that the firefighters might miss the call.
01:06:04.289 --> 01:06:06.170
So that might be the only downside because they
01:06:06.170 --> 01:06:09.010
sleep so well with it on. But when they go home,
01:06:09.150 --> 01:06:10.809
especially, for example, law enforcement, if
01:06:10.809 --> 01:06:12.409
they're coming home and it's daytime, I think
01:06:12.409 --> 01:06:14.809
the sleep mask is invaluable. I really do. And
01:06:14.809 --> 01:06:16.829
then it's funny you said with fermented foods.
01:06:16.949 --> 01:06:19.210
I just listened to Andrew Huberman's latest podcast.
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:21.940
where they're talking about the gut -brain connection
01:06:21.940 --> 01:06:24.880
and fermented foods being one of the only things
01:06:24.880 --> 01:06:27.960
they've shown that seems to truly enhance the
01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:31.800
good bacteria as opposed to the bad. What? Wow.
01:06:31.980 --> 01:06:36.619
All news to me. If you get a chance, my Instagram
01:06:36.619 --> 01:06:42.940
is called CoachDanJohn. Okay. Would you mind
01:06:42.940 --> 01:06:45.739
putting in, I took a picture of, so yesterday
01:06:45.739 --> 01:06:48.980
I worked with the, one of the groups I work with
01:06:48.980 --> 01:06:51.980
sent me this really cool thing. Okay. So that
01:06:51.980 --> 01:06:54.340
one of the sergeants made it for us, for me,
01:06:54.460 --> 01:06:58.619
it's an American flag. And then it includes the
01:06:58.619 --> 01:07:02.059
shield of the group I'm working with. And then
01:07:02.059 --> 01:07:07.639
a picture of them, a wooden, but. And so it sent
01:07:07.639 --> 01:07:09.860
it to me. So it's a picture me with that. And
01:07:09.860 --> 01:07:13.860
number two, it's yesterday's lunch or breakfast.
01:07:14.380 --> 01:07:17.059
And when you look at the amount of fermented
01:07:17.059 --> 01:07:20.239
food I eat on a typical day, it'll shock you.
01:07:20.300 --> 01:07:24.539
I make my own sauerkraut. I have turmeric sauerkraut.
01:07:24.539 --> 01:07:30.699
I have, I mean, I buy kimchi, but I try to eat
01:07:30.699 --> 01:07:32.860
eight different vegetables every day. That's
01:07:32.860 --> 01:07:35.519
just like, that's on my. Well, on the back of
01:07:35.519 --> 01:07:37.780
my computer that I have a pirate map that tells
01:07:37.780 --> 01:07:43.500
me to do that. But yeah, the fermented food has
01:07:43.500 --> 01:07:47.000
been a true game changer in my life. And I'm
01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:50.139
not exaggerating for once. Well, I want to just
01:07:50.139 --> 01:07:51.880
ask you one more question before I let you go.
01:07:51.940 --> 01:07:54.820
So be mindful of your time. Here you are, as
01:07:54.820 --> 01:07:56.619
you said, you call yourself an outlier's outlier.
01:07:56.699 --> 01:07:58.440
And I think the sad thing is that some of our
01:07:58.440 --> 01:08:01.159
outliers should be the average person. We just,
01:08:01.239 --> 01:08:04.380
the needle has swung so far the wrong way. Oh,
01:08:04.380 --> 01:08:07.519
can I just comment on that? Please. Yeah. Being
01:08:07.519 --> 01:08:10.420
extraordinary. It's the easiest time in history
01:08:10.420 --> 01:08:14.579
to be extraordinary. It is shockingly the bar
01:08:14.579 --> 01:08:18.119
to be outstanding is so low now. It just, it
01:08:18.119 --> 01:08:21.460
makes me laugh. I'm not being a jerk at all.
01:08:21.500 --> 01:08:25.000
I'm just saying it's, there are so many more.
01:08:25.199 --> 01:08:28.300
I mean, you can be, I don't care where you live.
01:08:29.289 --> 01:08:31.590
You can be outstanding in your field because
01:08:31.590 --> 01:08:34.270
of social media. It is easier to be successful
01:08:34.270 --> 01:08:37.569
now than any time in history. We don't care what
01:08:37.569 --> 01:08:41.329
color you are, what color your hair is, what
01:08:41.329 --> 01:08:45.409
color your eyes are, whatever your gender, your
01:08:45.409 --> 01:08:50.289
sex, what your house looks like. You can make
01:08:50.289 --> 01:08:53.189
it. Every place is New York right now. If you
01:08:53.189 --> 01:08:54.750
could make it there, you could make it anywhere.
01:08:54.949 --> 01:08:58.350
New York is everywhere now. And to get in the
01:08:58.350 --> 01:09:02.010
top 5%, Earl Nightingale talks about, to be a
01:09:02.010 --> 01:09:04.909
top 5 % author of all time, you have to sell
01:09:04.909 --> 01:09:08.750
10 ,000 books. It's never been easier to write
01:09:08.750 --> 01:09:11.350
and make a book than it has been now. If you're
01:09:11.350 --> 01:09:15.050
a musician, you read the work of Derek Sivers,
01:09:15.189 --> 01:09:18.710
okay? And read the work of Derek Sivers, S -I
01:09:18.710 --> 01:09:22.890
-V -E -R -S. There's no easier time. There's
01:09:22.890 --> 01:09:26.770
no Derek Sivers. If you don't know him, know
01:09:26.770 --> 01:09:29.029
him by the end of the day, folks. And tell him
01:09:29.029 --> 01:09:33.810
I said hi. He actually listens to an online strength
01:09:33.810 --> 01:09:37.609
coach named Dan John for his physical education
01:09:37.609 --> 01:09:39.369
stuff. That's kind of cool, isn't it? That's
01:09:39.369 --> 01:09:43.289
brilliant. If you're a musician, it's never been
01:09:43.289 --> 01:09:46.670
easier than now to become famous. There's this
01:09:46.670 --> 01:09:49.409
little Canadian boy, the Bieber boy, YouTube
01:09:49.409 --> 01:09:52.539
sensation. No matter what you do, it's easier
01:09:52.539 --> 01:09:57.779
now to be elite. If you want to lose body fat,
01:09:58.560 --> 01:10:01.939
there's never been more information better. Now,
01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:05.579
the upside now is that there's never been more.
01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:11.819
So your ability to discern is the key. So even
01:10:11.819 --> 01:10:15.039
though it's easier to be successful now, but
01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:17.500
you have to discern better than any other time
01:10:17.500 --> 01:10:19.760
in history. I agree completely. I wrote a book
01:10:19.760 --> 01:10:22.020
about a year and a half ago, and it was amazing.
01:10:22.199 --> 01:10:24.840
And I started a podcast five years ago. And I
01:10:24.840 --> 01:10:26.640
don't know where I am on that pyramid, but the
01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:28.720
point is you don't know until you try. I think
01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:30.100
that's the big part. Have you had more than seven
01:10:30.100 --> 01:10:34.420
podcasts? I have almost 600. So congratulations,
01:10:34.819 --> 01:10:37.239
you're in the top 5%. By the way, most podcasts
01:10:37.239 --> 01:10:40.039
fail after seven. Yeah, I heard that from Tim
01:10:40.039 --> 01:10:42.140
Ferriss when I first started. So I recorded six.
01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:45.760
Was that right? Yeah. Oh, that is true then.
01:10:45.859 --> 01:10:47.680
Okay. I just heard it. I didn't know it was an
01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:50.539
actual stat. Yeah. I haven't seen like, you know,
01:10:50.560 --> 01:10:52.699
facts, but Tim Ferriss is definitely, you know,
01:10:52.699 --> 01:10:54.560
someone who's very, very thorough. So yeah, I
01:10:54.560 --> 01:10:56.140
think that was the average back then. We're talking,
01:10:56.239 --> 01:10:57.720
you know, probably five and a half years ago
01:10:57.720 --> 01:11:01.050
now. But then he just revisited it to another
01:11:01.050 --> 01:11:02.989
episode again, kind of retroactively looking
01:11:02.989 --> 01:11:05.310
back. And it was the same kind of same things,
01:11:05.449 --> 01:11:07.189
you know. And I tell people, people contact me
01:11:07.189 --> 01:11:09.789
wanting to. And I'm like, then just do it. You
01:11:09.789 --> 01:11:12.069
want to write a book, write a book. I agree with
01:11:12.069 --> 01:11:15.109
you 100%. There has never been a more liberating
01:11:15.109 --> 01:11:18.149
time. You don't have to beg a publisher. You
01:11:18.149 --> 01:11:20.369
don't have to try and get on a TV network. You
01:11:20.369 --> 01:11:22.850
just post your video, your recording, whatever
01:11:22.850 --> 01:11:26.289
it is. If it's good, people will listen and then
01:11:26.289 --> 01:11:27.829
people will talk about it. And if it's not -
01:11:27.829 --> 01:11:32.750
And if you're off the rails, you're going to
01:11:32.750 --> 01:11:35.409
have a whole bunch of people who are going to
01:11:35.409 --> 01:11:40.409
- Yesterday on my flight home from New York,
01:11:40.710 --> 01:11:45.430
the person sitting next to me in first class
01:11:45.430 --> 01:11:52.569
is an extremely famous actress. extremely like
01:11:52.569 --> 01:11:57.829
really, really, really, really famous. And, you
01:11:57.829 --> 01:12:03.470
know, I would say I've probably taught hundreds
01:12:03.470 --> 01:12:06.310
of students who are more attractive than her
01:12:06.310 --> 01:12:13.529
in real life, except she's that person who lucked
01:12:13.529 --> 01:12:16.229
into this career. Okay. I mean, I'm not, and
01:12:16.229 --> 01:12:18.649
she's very pretty and she's wonderful and all
01:12:18.649 --> 01:12:20.029
those, but she's great. There's nothing wrong
01:12:20.029 --> 01:12:25.380
with it. But having said that, now in 2022, as
01:12:25.380 --> 01:12:29.720
we speak, you know, if you decide to do your
01:12:29.720 --> 01:12:34.279
own online Shakespeare productions, if you nail
01:12:34.279 --> 01:12:38.020
a certain correctly, I mean, you could be the
01:12:38.020 --> 01:12:41.340
next Patrick Stewart or, you know, or anybody
01:12:41.340 --> 01:12:43.779
from the Shakespearean, the Royal Shakespearean.
01:12:43.819 --> 01:12:46.289
Yeah. Well, I think that's such a great. kind
01:12:46.289 --> 01:12:49.449
of topic to close with because we hear over and
01:12:49.449 --> 01:12:53.010
over again how toxic social media is and i disagree
01:12:53.010 --> 01:12:56.229
it's all about you know if you turn on fox and
01:12:56.229 --> 01:12:59.810
cnn you're gonna get you know fire hose of shit
01:12:59.810 --> 01:13:03.430
coming at you but if you choose insert whatever
01:13:03.430 --> 01:13:06.369
good outlet would be, then you're going to get
01:13:06.369 --> 01:13:08.170
great information or you're going to get heartwarming
01:13:08.170 --> 01:13:10.390
stories. And it's the same with that. And it
01:13:10.390 --> 01:13:12.909
can be this online generation that we're in now
01:13:12.909 --> 01:13:16.670
can be completely toxic or it can be empowering.
01:13:16.789 --> 01:13:18.890
It's the decisions that you make of where you
01:13:18.890 --> 01:13:24.649
get your content from. Cahill Gibran, he was
01:13:24.649 --> 01:13:28.010
a poet 100 years ago. He actually talks about
01:13:28.010 --> 01:13:33.840
this kind of thing all the time. But Gandhi said
01:13:33.840 --> 01:13:36.920
basically the same things about humanity. You
01:13:36.920 --> 01:13:40.399
know, so much of whether something is good or
01:13:40.399 --> 01:13:45.420
bad is you. You know, it's the you. It's your
01:13:45.420 --> 01:13:47.939
filters. It's how you approach it, you know.
01:13:48.199 --> 01:13:51.779
And that's, you know, I always tell people, you
01:13:51.779 --> 01:13:53.260
know, I used to tell my students this. I go,
01:13:53.359 --> 01:13:55.680
was World War II good or bad? It was a moral
01:13:55.680 --> 01:13:59.000
theology class. And they would always, oh, all
01:13:59.000 --> 01:14:01.899
these people die. Okay, that's good. But my parents
01:14:01.899 --> 01:14:07.239
met at a USO dance. No World War II, no me. And
01:14:07.239 --> 01:14:08.979
somebody else is teaching this class, not nearly
01:14:08.979 --> 01:14:14.119
as well. But so you've got to be very careful
01:14:14.119 --> 01:14:17.060
about what is good, what is bad. It's the old
01:14:17.060 --> 01:14:19.239
we'll see story. Do you know the farmer and the
01:14:19.239 --> 01:14:22.260
son story? I'm not familiar with it, so I'd love
01:14:22.260 --> 01:14:27.020
to hear it. A farmer has a son and a horse. And
01:14:27.020 --> 01:14:28.659
the horse dies and all the neighbors say, how
01:14:28.659 --> 01:14:31.819
bad? And the farmer says, we'll see. So all the
01:14:31.819 --> 01:14:33.680
neighbors get together, buy the farmer a new
01:14:33.680 --> 01:14:37.039
horse. And all the neighbors say, what a good
01:14:37.039 --> 01:14:39.659
thing. And the farmer says, we'll see. The next
01:14:39.659 --> 01:14:42.060
day, the son is trying to teach the horse, you
01:14:42.060 --> 01:14:44.659
know, break the horse. The horse throws the son
01:14:44.659 --> 01:14:47.199
off. The son breaks his leg. The farmer says,
01:14:47.300 --> 01:14:49.979
all the neighbors say, what a bad thing. The
01:14:49.979 --> 01:14:52.279
farmer says, we'll see. The next day, the army
01:14:52.279 --> 01:14:54.800
comes through town, drafts all the young boys,
01:14:54.939 --> 01:14:57.840
except for the boy with the broken leg. They
01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:00.899
all go off to war. They all die. The neighbors
01:15:00.899 --> 01:15:04.119
come around and say, isn't it a good thing that
01:15:04.119 --> 01:15:06.819
your son broke his leg because he didn't die
01:15:06.819 --> 01:15:09.380
in the war? And the father looks up and says,
01:15:09.680 --> 01:15:13.000
we'll see. You know, someone did tell me that
01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:15.119
a few weeks ago. It's fine. I didn't recognize
01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:18.069
it by the name. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's
01:15:18.069 --> 01:15:20.470
what you make of it. Is social media a good thing
01:15:20.470 --> 01:15:24.130
or a bad thing? We'll see. But in my case, it's
01:15:24.130 --> 01:15:26.789
been wonderful. I mean, I'm, I'm just this, you
01:15:26.789 --> 01:15:29.510
know, I'm just this guy who coached people and
01:15:29.510 --> 01:15:32.369
help people. And because of Chris Sugar speaking
01:15:32.369 --> 01:15:35.609
high, because Charles Staley needed an extra
01:15:35.609 --> 01:15:38.970
speaker. One of my throwers said my name, Charles
01:15:38.970 --> 01:15:41.670
said, I never heard of him. I filled an hour.
01:15:41.729 --> 01:15:44.609
Chris Sugar then said on T Nation that I was,
01:15:44.670 --> 01:15:48.579
if I ever speak, go hear it. Um, a couple of
01:15:48.579 --> 01:15:51.539
weeks later, they lost a keynote at a, uh, at
01:15:51.539 --> 01:15:54.640
a conference down in LA. They saw that they invited
01:15:54.640 --> 01:15:58.079
me. I, so my first workshop in this field was
01:15:58.079 --> 01:16:03.920
25 people. My second one was 600, you know, and
01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:07.760
all of a sudden, how did I become famous? Well,
01:16:07.899 --> 01:16:12.279
because I showed up, I did what I do and, and
01:16:12.279 --> 01:16:15.000
this marvelous thing called the internet. I'm
01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:17.840
just a normal guy. There's thousands of Dan Johns,
01:16:17.979 --> 01:16:21.500
I'm sure of it. But I lucked out, you know, I
01:16:21.500 --> 01:16:24.640
was the person, you know, my sister -in -law
01:16:24.640 --> 01:16:27.899
became a Broadway star because when she auditioned,
01:16:27.899 --> 01:16:30.739
the big name said, that's what I'm thinking.
01:16:30.819 --> 01:16:33.720
And that's why she became a Broadway star. Sometimes,
01:16:33.840 --> 01:16:37.239
and social media allows you to have more of those
01:16:37.239 --> 01:16:38.880
opportunities. So yeah, good or bad, I don't
01:16:38.880 --> 01:16:41.819
know. Well, Dan, I just want to thank you so,
01:16:41.899 --> 01:16:43.600
so much for being so generous with your time.
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gone all over the place. We barely even touched
01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:47.180
on strength and conditioning, which is why I
01:16:47.180 --> 01:16:49.579
love these conversations. Well, let's talk again.
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We'll do that. And I thank you so much. Okay.
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As always, my name is James Geering, and this
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week it is my absolute honor to welcome on the
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show, revered strength and conditioning coach
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and author, Dan John. So we discuss a host of
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topics from the impact of combat and trauma on
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his immediate family, training the youth athlete,
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overcoming injury, physical education, and so
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much more. Before we get to this incredible conversation,
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I introduce to you Dan John. Enjoy. Well, Dan,
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I want to start by saying thank you so much for
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taking the time to come on the Behind the Shield
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podcast today. Well, thank you. This worked out
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pretty easily, actually. So as we were saying
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before we start recording, I actually took one
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of your classes at TSAC in Orlando a few years
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ago. So it's weird. God, the universe moves these
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chess pieces around. And even though you are
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someone I'd wanted to reach out to. I know a
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couple of people recently probably told you about
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this podcast and they connected with me again.
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I'm like, okay, this is obviously the time that
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we need to do this. So I'm very excited. Yeah,
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I'm always here to help. But you could have just
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emailed me and I would have come on for you.
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Well, I appreciate that. All right. So then first
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question, where on planet Earth are we finding
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you today? I'm in Murray, Utah. My dog is a few
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feet away from me. I'm going to get my workout
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in after we hang up. It was a rainy night and
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life is good. Beautiful. Well, speaking of life,
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I would love to start at the beginning of yours.
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So tell me where you were born and then tell
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me a little bit about your family dynamic, what
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your parents did and how many siblings. Oh, well,
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I mean, you know, I tell people this all the
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time, but I'm the youngest of six. Both parents
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are Depression era, World War II. Mom saw a lot
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of pain growing up with the depression and losing
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her brothers too. Well, the pandemic, the 1918
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flu, she lost family members, three brothers.
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And then, of course, her husband went to war.
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All of her brothers went to war. My dad, of course,
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was abandoned as a child, kind of traded around
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by the aunts up near Sherbrooke in Canada. And
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he had a rough life. it was in fact it's interesting
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I have his book reports from school right right
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behind my computer but he was a good student
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worked hard and his the answer to all of his
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questions was to join the U .S. Army which he
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did he could have played professional baseball
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but for whatever reason that my dad went in that
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direction and World War II happens and after
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my parents get married and meet and get married
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in the middle of it and I'm the youngest of six
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and Very competitive, very military family. I
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was always chasing people, my brothers. Five
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boys, one girl. I think that's a real advantage.
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If you want an athletic child, have a lot of
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kids. The first couple will be fine, but the
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last ones will be always trying to keep up and
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being always knocked down is a real advantage.
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you know, being competing against faster, better
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athletes constantly when you do finally hit puberty
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and you finally catch up, uh, you shoot ahead
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of all. I mean, I was, I was the youngest boy
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in my class and, uh, and I, I was always just
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always behind physically because of puberty and
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being Irish, you know? And so finally, uh, when
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we caught up, it was a good thing. So it's an
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interesting perspective. My son is in the same
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position that you are now. He was one of the
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youngest in his school year. He's built like
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his dad, so he's not a big lad either. But I've
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watched it develop the work ethic because there
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were even school years academically where he
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almost failed out and got tutoring and stuff.
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But now I see that dogmatic fight in him and
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he'll be out running 6 a .m. before school starts
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as a 14 -year -old kid. So I can totally understand
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what you're talking about. I think it's, I can't
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remember if it's talent code or outliers that
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talks about Usain Bolt being the youngest. And
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of course, when you're built like that and you
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come from the country which has the national
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sport is sprinting. And then you throw in being
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the youngest. That's a pretty good trifecta,
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you know, DNA. So genetics, geography, and birth
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order. That's probably the best. So gentle listener,
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if you want an elite athlete. So first, go get
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better parents than you currently have. Secondly,
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find a place that will support the dream that
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you have and be born there. That's very important
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that you're born there. And finally, be sure
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you're probably the fifth, sixth or seventh child
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of these genetically superior parents in this
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perfect place. So there you go. There's my point.
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Thank you very much, folks. Thanks for listening.
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Simple, actionable steps. Yes. Brilliant. Well,
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just going back to your parents for a second,
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I just interviewed a World War II veteran a few
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weeks ago, Frank Wright, who was actually on
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Iwo Jima. He was wounded but survived. And that's
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a generation that sadly, a lot of people report
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when they have them in their family, didn't really
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talk a lot about that conflict. And they carried
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a lot of that with them. What was your experience
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with your dad? Well, first off, there is a movie
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that I think is worth watching. You know, all
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these guys waving all their flags from their
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trucks and they paint. It's funny. One of the
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rules about American flags, you're not supposed
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to put anything else on them. You're not supposed
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to put extra stripes. You're not supposed to
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make it out of Soviet made weapon. I always think
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it's funny when guys have AR -14s on their truck.
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Okay, whatever. If you watch the movie from 1946,
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The Best Years of Our Lives, William Holden,
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it might be Frederick March. Darn it, I don't
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know. But it won Best Picture. The guy who doesn't
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have hands isn't an actor, but received the Academy
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Award for Supporting Actor, and he's brilliant.
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But it's a 1946 film that deals with what we
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would now call PTSD. It deals with it. It is
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straight up. It is an accurate portrayal of what
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went on in my home with my brothers coming home
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from Vietnam. They turned to booze. They turned
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to other things. Of course, they were called
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baby killers because they, you know, I mean,
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it's a struggle for me, I'll be honest with you,
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to watch how Americans treated our Vietnam vets.
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And now what we know. And now the switch, and
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it does, it bothers me a lot because it's very
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personal to me. Did my father talk about the
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war? I know that my father and my uncles and
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my cousins, I had a cousin who was on the Arizona
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when it got blown up, and Iwo Jima. And he, I
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never knew until I was older, but he had, he
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liked to spend a lot of time alone. in the woods
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you know and thankfully never offed himself or
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anything but um they wouldn't talk to it with
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someone like me they i was they they didn't want
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to hurt me and so they held it in they drank
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it down they they didn't they didn't do pills
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or anything um they kept everything close to
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the vest and basically let it destroy them you
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know, interiorly, you know, and it was a, you
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know, I look back on my father and, you know,
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in my, my family room, I have a little shrine
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to him. I have his World War II jacket. And then
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I put pictures of my mom and my dad in there
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because, because. The wives, girlfriends, moms,
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Rosie the Riveters, they had a huge impact on
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how a lot of these guys survived when they came
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back. And I remember my father, and I just know
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that he was a troubled man, and what brought
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him joy was his children and sports. So he focused
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on sports, children, and those Zane Gray books.
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He loved Zane Gray. And that's what you did.
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You know, you smoked two packs of cigarettes
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every day. You started your day off with a couple
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of cigarettes and a cup of coffee and you went
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and worked and then you had lunch and you came
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home and you ate dinner and you smoked cigarettes
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and you read books and you watched the San Francisco
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Giants. And that's how you survived. I'm sure
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all the fitness professionals listening are aghast
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at this, but. It's a wildly different world when
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your biggest concern is whether or not your Instagram
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selfie is, you know, is colored with the right
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hue or not. And if you have the right explosion
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of words versus, you know, worrying about the
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fact that, I guess my dad lost about a third
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of his stomach in the war. You know, and we didn't
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talk about it. It just wasn't a thing. He just
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didn't bring it up. and didn't want to freak
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him out so you know and so so it ate away at
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him and uh you know uh it was a rare rare friend
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of mine whose dad didn't fight in world war ii
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and uh it was it was all pretty obvious that
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these guys these guys struggled with stuff that
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was uh was horrific and also too you know when
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my brothers would go over like my brother ray
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when he went to vietnam his orders were for the
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duration of course that didn't happen because
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his group of marines was basically wiped out
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um he he was convinced he'd be there for you
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know until it was over because he went with 63
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or 64 with that second expeditionary brigade
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my brother gary of course he had orders he had
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you know one year to the day bye -bye And they
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brought him home and threw him out. And I would
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say that would be very true. My brother, Phil,
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was a much more long -term service member. So
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he has a totally different story. And of course,
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my brother, Rich, we always joked that he had
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it the worst because he had to go to Oklahoma.
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They drafted him at like 25 and a half. with
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a kid because my hometown of South city is poor.
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And, and then of course it's San Mateo County.
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So nobody from San Mateo, Burlingame, Millbrae,
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San Bruno had to serve. It had to be everybody
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from South city. So they, they drafted him right
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on the last minute, you know, he should have
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been. And we always joke he had at the works
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cause he had to go to Oklahoma. Sorry, Oklahoma
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listeners. But yeah. So, I mean, and I watch
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those guys dealing with their issues. Growing
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up and, you know, dealing with being called baby
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killers. My brother Ray, a professor, wouldn't
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teach him in college because he was a Vietnam
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vet. The professor up and walked out of the room
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and wouldn't teach the class. So go ahead, wave
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your flags, folks. And just remember, that's
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the reality, what it means to be a veteran. And
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I know it's different now, but I'm sure even
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are more recent. veterans would say the same
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thing that, you know, everybody wants to, you
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know, have the 45 minute thing before the game
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where there's this, you know, the planes are
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coming in overhead and the little girl is, you're
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supposed to sing the Star Spangled Banner in
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a very specific, timely, quick way. You don't
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add in your own interpretations. You don't change
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the words. You sing the damn song and you walk
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off. uh you know if you're a christian audience
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and someone says the our father you don't start
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winging it you know hey man hey great dude in
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the sky brother you know we are all here you
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know it's a very specific kind of prayer okay
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and the star spangled banner is the same way
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too you don't you don't wing it and all this
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stuff that goes on uh it's interesting because
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my I was out with a friend of mine. She's a veteran.
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We went to a rugby game together. And they had
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this little girl singing the Star Spangled Banner.
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And she kept adding to it. And she goes, I hate
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this stuff. And everybody I know who serves hates
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this stuff. Sitting around us, there was a couple
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of guys in camo and military gear. And it's like,
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and she goes like this. None of these guys served.
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None of these guys served. No. and i go how do
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you know this because i mean i know why she goes
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because once you've once you've worn the uniform
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you don't wear it you don't wear a little bit
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of it and you know you know so you don't wear
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your wrangler jeans with the camo top you know
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you don't you don't do that you know so well
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that was a long that was a long point but thank
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you for letting me say that that that i just
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vomited out my heart for you james well i appreciate
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you doing that and the reason i think it's so
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important and i think especially what really
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comes out of these early life conversations is
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you know you're obviously known for strength
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and conditioning and being one of the most revered
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coaches but whether it's a navy seal or a firefighter
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or a coach on here you know where we have these
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incredible stories early on and you know these
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incredible family members and i think The World
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War II generation, we lost almost all of them.
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So the only people now that really get to speak
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are their children, their next generation. And
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what's interesting is you had the Vietnam and
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the World War II experience. World War II, in
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general, they came back to ticker tape parades
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and there was a healing element of that. That's
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why you got to watch this movie. That's why it's
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so important to watch this 1946 movie. Because
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it... That's not what happened for every guy.
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Now, maybe certain groups did walk through New
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York City and they had a ticker tape. But the
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rest of the guys, that's why the movie is so
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good, because they nailed it. There's a whole
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bunch of guys sitting around and there's no airplanes
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to take them home. They keep canceling flights.
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That's how the show starts. And then, of course,
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but there's a boneyard of all these brand new
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planes that are getting junkyarded. And that's
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I think if you look at the movie as an adult
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and get the plain metaphor, I think it'll be
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very hard. They're all we're all heading out
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to the junkyard. It was tough. And don't forget,
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I mean, the World War One vets came back and
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there was no work for. And they did that famous
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march on Washington. So they found, you know,
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a couple of generals to evict him. And when you
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look up the history of the generals who evicted
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him, it isn't a good story for the both of them.
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No, no. I've seen little glimmers of that. And
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I think that's just it. So, you know, yet, like
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you said, you've got some ticker tape parades,
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you've got a lot that aren't. I had a couple
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of, excuse me, Vietnam vets on. One was like
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mortally wounded. He survived, but critically
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wounded, lying on the asphalt after he'd been
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transported back to the US and someone urinated
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on him, on his wounds. And this is what we did
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to our veterans. I remember a lot of these men
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and women. didn't even ask like they were drafted
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as you said so they weren't even like you know
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lining up and the ones that did you know were
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being sold i think sim sadly similarly we're
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saying that yet again this very one -sided view
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that we're getting of course a country being
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invaded is horrendous but do i think that every
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russian person is evil absolutely not but that's
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what's being painted now we're creating a new
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a new demon a new enemy so well yeah i always
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ask the soviets so that's That's just my heart.
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I have a hard heart to the Soviets. And I need
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to work on that. That's my own personal thing.
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And I call them the Soviets because we all know
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there's no difference there. Yeah, but you're
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right. And, you know, my brother Gary, he's a
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Vietnam vet, disabled vet. And I've always told
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him the answer to so many Americans' problems
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is just bring back the draft. And I'll tell you
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one thing. it would help it would help in a lot
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of i mean it's not a good thing i'm just saying
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but it would just you know when you're when you're
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getting your i had to register for the draft
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and you know and we get when you do that it's
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like okay um just the act of registering for
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the draft that and then of course when the numbers
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would tumble out the lottery you know uh you
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know you gotta regret The fact that your mother
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induced at 1135 versus inducing at 1155 changed
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your life. You know, that's a tough thing. And,
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of course, you know, and the draft was so, it
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was done so, again, immorally. And, you know,
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here we go. Either we all get drafted or none
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of us. You know, that's what I think, you know.
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Absolutely. Well, speaking of school age and
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athleticism, I had a man on a few weeks ago who
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created an incredible documentary. I'd never
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seen this before. It was called The Motivation
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Factor. And it detailed the PE program in La
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Sierra High School in California. Oh, sure. Yeah,
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it's excellent. Yeah. So what was... PE like
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when you were at school age and then with this
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incredible journey that you've been through and
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you're still a high level athlete to this day,
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what have you personally witnessed of PE in the
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US? So first off that. That school particularly
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was a one -off. We had their charts in my high
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school about what it took to get to certain places
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in there. So when I was young, this is going
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to sound so weird to the audience, but you had
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to wear a PE uniform. I was out helping my discus
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thrower about a week ago. We were at a high school
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and this PE class comes out and this little,
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she's the PE teacher. And she's like, you need
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to leave. And it's like, she's about. And so
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I sat and I watched. Her first thing was to tell
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all the students to put their cell phones into
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their backpacks. Now, why do you bring backpacks
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to PE? Why is that not in your locker? And then
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I noticed that none of the kids were in. I couldn't.
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Some of the kids were in street clothes. God
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only knows what some of the kids were wearing.
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But it was their PE class, and they were just
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in a hodgepodge of things. And they sat in the
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sun basically for, I wanted to watch because
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I wanted to see what was so, here you got, I
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mean, I'm working with my discus thrower and
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what an opportunity she could have had to say,
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can you tell them about, can you tell my students
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about this? You know, and I could have had Emily
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throw. Well, when I was young, first and foremost,
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PE, physical education was a class. You took
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attendance. You had to run out. We had to step
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on numbers. That's how you knew. So like, for
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example, I might have been number 22. So there
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was a number spray painted into the ground called
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22. And I had to stand there. We had to get a
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sock check, a jock check, a shorts check, a shirt
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check. And if it was raining, we still stood
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there because that was what you did at PE class.
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And then, you know. Mr. Freeman would say, all
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right, get going. And we'd run two laps around
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the football field. We would do an obstacle course.
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We would do calisthenics. And that gets us about
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30 minutes into the day. And then he would talk
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about what we're going to do in PE class that
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day. So we would have about a half an hour of
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exercise. And then we'd have physical education
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class. The weightlifting program, if you're reading
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my work, I still use it. It's called the Southwood.
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Power clean, military press, front squat, bench
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press. We had to do three or four, probably three
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times a year, we had to do actual testing where
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we did, I want to say it was 10 events, but it
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was like push -up, sit -up, pull -up, agility,
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40 -yard time, 600 yards for sure. I remember
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that one. The six -minute run test, run, run,
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run, run, run. I don't remember all of them,
00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:03.220
but there was 10 tests. And if you hit a certain
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level, you got like a, let's just say an orange
00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:09.000
triangle. If you were a little bit better, you
00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:11.220
got a green triangle, a little bit better. You
00:24:11.220 --> 00:24:13.900
got, and you would put this triangle on your
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gym shorts and people would train to get a higher
00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:21.440
level triangle. It was a little piece of felt
00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:24.420
that you glued onto your shorts or sewed onto
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your shorts and guys would train. during breaks
00:24:28.230 --> 00:24:31.309
in the day and during to get their times and
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pull -ups and stuff done better um we did every
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sport and there was on every sport there was
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three different tests for every sport there was
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a skills test like in soccer there was i think
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there was like maybe 10 cones and you were timed
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for how bad how fast you sprinted the ball you
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know around the cones so uh and it was like Out
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of 10 free throws, stuff like that. And then
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there was also a written test about the rules
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of the game. And the third thing, we had to play
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in a little tournament. And you got points by
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how your team did. So everything I just said
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is an anathema of what I saw the other day at
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this PE class. It is literally the exact opposite.
00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:22.059
She was taking roll after the kids had already
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been in class for probably 12 minutes. versus
00:25:25.819 --> 00:25:29.039
blow a whistle, everyone lines up. And I don't
00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:31.440
know how you turn things around, but every time
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I watch, you know, the schools I've taught at,
00:25:33.579 --> 00:25:35.740
they went from being physical education classes
00:25:35.740 --> 00:25:40.759
to rolling out the basketballs. At one school,
00:25:41.059 --> 00:25:43.500
we had one PE teacher, I don't think ever did
00:25:43.500 --> 00:25:45.980
anything besides dodgeball or basketball. It
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would be dodgeball was the organized sport, and
00:25:48.539 --> 00:25:51.799
basketball would be the... Of the four days a
00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:53.700
week they went, three out of four would the kid
00:25:53.700 --> 00:25:56.240
just be, you know, just playing pickup games.
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I don't think in the grand scheme of things,
00:26:02.859 --> 00:26:06.720
all that I just said really matters. You know,
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I don't, I mean, I just, I just, my only thing
00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:16.960
is from about age 10 to about age 18 is the last
00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:19.759
time, is kind of the last time. we're going to
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have a chance to have organized group physical
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education, organized group health classes. So
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I'm still a big believer in health classes. There
00:26:28.940 --> 00:26:31.359
are kids who go through and don't. Maybe they
00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:36.319
need to hear why it's important to wipe yourself
00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:39.940
a certain way for hygienic reasons. Maybe it's
00:26:39.940 --> 00:26:41.839
important they find out why it's important to
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wash your hands after you urinate or defecate.
00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:47.039
Maybe they need to hear why it's important to
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floss once or twice a day. A lot of kids will
00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:52.900
come in and already know that. But what I've
00:26:52.900 --> 00:26:55.160
noticed is less and less and less and less do.
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To me, it's like one other time you can read
00:26:59.859 --> 00:27:04.440
the great books. You know, when? I mean, I do.
00:27:05.220 --> 00:27:07.680
But I'm an outlier. And I'm an outlier in everything
00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:15.519
I do. Everything. Proudly so. And L. Frank Baum
00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:17.599
wrote a lot more books than The Wizard of Oz
00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:20.279
in the Oz series. And one called The Scarecrow
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:22.960
of Oz, he says, ordinary people are like leaves
00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:26.359
on trees. They die and they fall off. I like
00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:31.099
the extraordinary ones. And I think there's something
00:27:31.099 --> 00:27:36.099
to be said about that. The one thing I've noticed
00:27:36.099 --> 00:27:38.880
in life is, and Earl Nightingale says it, he
00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:41.109
talks about, and lead the field. You want to
00:27:41.109 --> 00:27:44.309
get at the top of the pyramid, that top 5%. It's
00:27:44.309 --> 00:27:47.930
only one out of 20. Only one out of 20 retirees
00:27:47.930 --> 00:27:50.809
have enough money to fund themselves without
00:27:50.809 --> 00:27:53.210
external help, without Social Security, without
00:27:53.210 --> 00:27:56.789
something else. One out of 20. Only one out of
00:27:56.789 --> 00:28:01.009
20 people in a corporation will finish the coursework
00:28:01.009 --> 00:28:05.529
to improve themselves at a job. Basically, only
00:28:05.529 --> 00:28:10.980
about one in 20 Americans train regularly. OK,
00:28:10.980 --> 00:28:13.740
if you talk to your dental hygienist, probably
00:28:13.740 --> 00:28:16.579
only one in 20 people come in floss twice a day.
00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:19.759
Certainly maybe. Yeah. Or why? Let's do that.
00:28:19.819 --> 00:28:24.960
One out of 20 people floss once a day. OK, what
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:28.839
you begin to see in life is that these little
00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:30.920
things I'm talking about, you know, getting that
00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:33.839
getting a good head start on your health, your
00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:37.759
fitness, maybe some things about longevity. That
00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:39.839
will put you in rare error the rest of your life.
00:28:40.019 --> 00:28:43.460
You know, taking care of your dental health at
00:28:43.460 --> 00:28:48.519
16, 17, 18 is, I'm 65. It'll do miles for you
00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:53.779
at my age. Taking care of your, you know, Art
00:28:53.779 --> 00:28:56.599
Devaney's great line, lady asked the question,
00:28:56.819 --> 00:29:00.859
what do you do if you, how do you lose fat? And
00:29:00.859 --> 00:29:02.559
he just looked at her and said, don't get fat
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:04.759
in the first place. Of course she got really
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:07.720
pissed off about that, but it's true. I mean,
00:29:07.779 --> 00:29:11.240
you know, the answer to so many questions is
00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:14.599
don't get fat in the first place. You know, what
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:16.740
do I do about bad dental health? Don't have bad
00:29:16.740 --> 00:29:19.900
dental health in the first place, you know? And
00:29:19.900 --> 00:29:23.599
so this is a long answer and I apologize. Don't
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:28.480
apologize. But I think, I think if you learn
00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:32.519
the rules of. It's interesting. I actually have
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:35.000
friends now who don't understand. They don't
00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:38.019
understand the rules of American football. And
00:29:38.019 --> 00:29:39.980
I'm not talking about I mean, I'm talking about
00:29:39.980 --> 00:29:43.480
people who look like they should know they'll
00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:45.359
come to a Super Bowl party and go, oh, sports
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:50.059
games. And I'm like, OK, yeah, don't at my Super
00:29:50.059 --> 00:29:52.440
Bowl party. Don't ask how many points a field
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:56.950
goal is, I think, because I mean, we take. Not
00:29:56.950 --> 00:29:59.490
the Super Bowl so much in this home, but the
00:29:59.490 --> 00:30:02.349
college football playoffs kind of seriously.
00:30:02.950 --> 00:30:08.190
And how do you not know about a free throw versus
00:30:08.190 --> 00:30:12.069
a three pointer? How do you not know the overtime
00:30:12.069 --> 00:30:19.369
rules in hockey, soccer, football? How do you
00:30:19.369 --> 00:30:21.569
not know what a discus throw is? To me, that
00:30:21.569 --> 00:30:25.910
goes right back. And to me. It's not being stupid.
00:30:26.009 --> 00:30:28.829
It's ignorance. And ignorance is the things you
00:30:28.829 --> 00:30:33.009
ignore. And I'm worried that, God, what did you
00:30:33.009 --> 00:30:36.329
hire? Grumpy old man today? Jeez. You're just
00:30:36.329 --> 00:30:40.210
getting passionate. Yeah. I'm worried that what's
00:30:40.210 --> 00:30:45.250
happened is we've decided to ignore things. As
00:30:45.250 --> 00:30:51.640
a community, we ignore things. We've let, and
00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:54.579
I was warned about this about 30 years ago at
00:30:54.579 --> 00:30:56.700
a workshop. It was a different kind of workshop,
00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:59.980
but they said that what happens is that because
00:30:59.980 --> 00:31:02.279
of the way the media works, and this is 30 years
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:05.460
ago, this is pre -internet, they reward the one
00:31:05.460 --> 00:31:09.799
percenters on each side of an argument. They
00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:13.160
want the one percenters on each side of an argument
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:19.039
to talk. I mean, I don't want to. This is a bad,
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:22.940
the topic was abortion. And the woman up there
00:31:22.940 --> 00:31:25.440
made a very good point. She goes, you know, and
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:28.599
she had a very strong view on the topic. And
00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:31.119
she goes, listen, when I hear what they put on
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:34.400
television, I also, and she said the radical
00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:38.299
98 % needs to take over. So anytime you have
00:31:38.299 --> 00:31:41.420
a physical education program in a school, we
00:31:41.420 --> 00:31:44.819
instantly fall, we let the 1 %ers run it. So
00:31:44.819 --> 00:31:48.119
you let the mommies who have the money, little
00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:51.240
Julia is going to take, one of my parents told
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:53.799
me one time that she spends 1200 bucks a month
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:57.240
on her daughter's club volleyball team. Take
00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:02.019
that money, put it in a jar, bury that jar in
00:32:02.019 --> 00:32:04.480
the backyard. Trust me, that's a better investment
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:08.380
than your daughter's crappy volleyball career.
00:32:09.040 --> 00:32:12.059
But we let those mommies talk. And then we find
00:32:12.059 --> 00:32:16.359
that other 1%. And I usually use the word fair
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:18.380
with this group. That's not fair. What do you
00:32:18.380 --> 00:32:20.799
mean it's not fair? Well, you know, let's go
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:23.380
back to the best years of our life. Billy doesn't
00:32:23.380 --> 00:32:26.160
have arms. And you're expecting him to do push
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:29.720
-ups. Well, listen, mommy. Listen, crazy person.
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:31.859
It's pretty obvious. We're not going to test
00:32:31.859 --> 00:32:34.380
him on pull -ups, okay? We get it. Those of us
00:32:34.380 --> 00:32:38.200
in the 98%, we get it. We understand the point.
00:32:38.809 --> 00:32:41.609
but we do think every child should be exposed
00:32:41.609 --> 00:32:45.009
to a floss in your teeth. One, one, one, 1 %
00:32:45.009 --> 00:32:48.049
will raise your hand. My son lost his teeth when
00:32:48.049 --> 00:32:50.329
he was five and an X or eight in an accident.
00:32:50.950 --> 00:32:52.869
Okay. We'll have a different set of rules for
00:32:52.869 --> 00:32:55.049
your son. Okay. Problem solved. You just rub
00:32:55.049 --> 00:32:58.769
your gums. Yeah. Yeah. We, you know, and then
00:32:58.769 --> 00:33:02.009
of course the other 1 % mommy will say, I take,
00:33:02.150 --> 00:33:05.690
you know, Cliven to the dentist every day. You
00:33:05.690 --> 00:33:09.490
know, I, Always we let those nuts on the ends
00:33:09.490 --> 00:33:12.710
dictate everything. And in physical education
00:33:12.710 --> 00:33:16.150
and in my field, we continue to do that. You
00:33:16.150 --> 00:33:20.029
know, by God, when you work with a fat loss female
00:33:20.029 --> 00:33:23.769
client, they talk about like the Ms. Olympia
00:33:23.769 --> 00:33:25.829
contest. Well, I don't want to look like that.
00:33:26.690 --> 00:33:30.730
Well, you're not. It's not going to happen. Nor
00:33:30.730 --> 00:33:32.750
are you going to look like Shaquille O 'Neal
00:33:32.750 --> 00:33:36.420
if you do shoot free throws. It just doesn't
00:33:36.420 --> 00:33:40.460
happen that easily. I mean, I'm always amazed
00:33:40.460 --> 00:33:43.599
that people think that they're two sets of five
00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:46.140
away from looking like Mr. Olympia. I always
00:33:46.140 --> 00:33:48.299
find that just fast. I'm afraid I'm going to
00:33:48.299 --> 00:33:53.339
swell up. Yeah, we'll try to get you to swell
00:33:53.339 --> 00:33:55.440
up for a day or two. And then what is every time
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:58.099
you go for a jog? Yeah, I'm fine with that, but
00:33:58.099 --> 00:33:59.779
I just don't want to look like one of those Kenyan
00:33:59.779 --> 00:34:05.029
marathoners. Just before you run that 159 marathon,
00:34:05.329 --> 00:34:09.650
we'll rethink about this. Yeah, it's crazy. But
00:34:09.650 --> 00:34:12.829
with the outlier conversation, the extremist,
00:34:12.849 --> 00:34:15.769
should I say, not the outlier, I think that's
00:34:15.769 --> 00:34:20.530
– well, firstly, the result is 2022. I spout
00:34:20.530 --> 00:34:22.369
this statistic out all the time. But our nation,
00:34:22.570 --> 00:34:25.050
you talk about flag -waving, best in the world,
00:34:25.170 --> 00:34:28.539
we're 70 % obese or overweight. That to me in
00:34:28.539 --> 00:34:30.639
that particular channel is not the best in the
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:32.900
world. I hate to tell everyone, but you look
00:34:32.900 --> 00:34:36.940
at PE and... Wait, wait. Our healthcare is terrible.
00:34:37.099 --> 00:34:40.679
Yes. Our educational system is... Teachers are
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:44.119
fleeing. It is hard to get a teacher right now.
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:49.239
Doctors are dropping out. The medical field is
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:52.460
in a huge turmoil. Many doctors have figured
00:34:52.460 --> 00:34:54.960
out it's much better just to slide over to a
00:34:54.960 --> 00:35:01.880
for -profit place. I mean, so yeah, go ahead.
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:03.199
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. No, no,
00:35:03.219 --> 00:35:05.940
but that's just it though. And I've had educators
00:35:05.940 --> 00:35:09.440
from Finland and I've had doctors from the UK,
00:35:09.500 --> 00:35:11.599
which I think fundamentally is an incredible
00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:13.619
system if it's actually run properly and funded
00:35:13.619 --> 00:35:17.300
properly. I've had prison guards from Norway
00:35:17.300 --> 00:35:21.130
and the guy that spearheaded... Portuguese decriminalization
00:35:21.130 --> 00:35:24.289
of addiction, you know, on the show. So all these
00:35:24.289 --> 00:35:25.989
great people. So it's not about bitching about
00:35:25.989 --> 00:35:27.789
the problem, bringing the solutions on as well,
00:35:27.849 --> 00:35:31.250
but take the physical education of today. I see
00:35:31.250 --> 00:35:33.610
two extremes and the extremes can be equally
00:35:33.610 --> 00:35:35.170
damaging. It'd be interesting to get your perspective.
00:35:35.590 --> 00:35:38.590
The one extreme is the PE. You know, like Doug
00:35:38.590 --> 00:35:40.389
Orchard was the guy that made this documentary
00:35:40.389 --> 00:35:43.530
and he put a Fitbit on his son. And he actually,
00:35:43.570 --> 00:35:44.989
I think he said something crazy. Like he got
00:35:44.989 --> 00:35:46.809
more exercise in his math class than he did in
00:35:46.809 --> 00:35:49.639
his PE class. But then you have the other extreme,
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:51.340
which I've talked about with other coaches too,
00:35:51.460 --> 00:35:55.320
where it's the sport route, but now you've got
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:57.940
this whole live vicariously through your child,
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:00.059
this travel team thing, and now we're breaking.
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:03.000
That was a real mind -blowing thing for me as
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:04.739
an Englishman coming over here, was all these
00:36:04.739 --> 00:36:06.960
Uncle Ricos. And I don't mean that to be mean,
00:36:07.019 --> 00:36:10.000
but it's just true. These broken... guys with
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:12.179
I could have been great stories that were only
00:36:12.179 --> 00:36:15.719
in their early mid -20s, and now they're obese.
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:19.840
So either side of those extremes, we are destroying
00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:24.780
wellness in this country. Well, it always makes
00:36:24.780 --> 00:36:26.960
me laugh when a parent thinks that they can buy
00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:30.219
their way into elite performance. The kid who's
00:36:30.219 --> 00:36:32.820
going to beat your child is the kid who's like,
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:37.210
this is the only option I have. This is it. If
00:36:37.210 --> 00:36:39.590
I can make, if I get a scholarship, if I can
00:36:39.590 --> 00:36:42.849
get scholarship, if I can get a contract, this
00:36:42.849 --> 00:36:46.010
is it. That kid who, you know, it's fascinating.
00:36:46.070 --> 00:36:48.449
My friend Chip, he was the strength coach for
00:36:48.449 --> 00:36:51.670
a NFL team. He told me, he goes, he walks to
00:36:51.670 --> 00:36:52.849
the parking lot and he pulls me over and goes,
00:36:52.929 --> 00:36:56.010
look in the back seats of all these cars. And
00:36:56.010 --> 00:36:59.590
so I go, that's kind of weird. And I looked through
00:36:59.590 --> 00:37:02.730
too, and they were basically filled with McDonald's
00:37:02.730 --> 00:37:05.510
bags. So we're talking about the highest end.
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:09.559
guys in professional sport in America who will
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:11.539
eat a McDonald's two and three and four times
00:37:11.539 --> 00:37:14.840
a day because growing up, McDonald's was a treat
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:18.400
to them. And now that they can afford it, they
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:22.420
will pop in and get McDonald's every single day.
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:26.079
When you say that sentence to a parent, they're
00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:28.559
like, what I'm trying to tell you is the guys
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:30.260
that you think little Billy's going to compete
00:37:30.260 --> 00:37:35.219
against think McDonald's is a treat. It's something
00:37:35.219 --> 00:37:39.880
special. It's something high end. And, you know,
00:37:39.940 --> 00:37:44.920
and your club team, I mean, I travel a lot, so
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:46.880
I'm in these hotels with these damn club teams.
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:49.780
They come in and they've got three, four, five
00:37:49.780 --> 00:37:54.260
different bags. And, you know, the moms will
00:37:54.260 --> 00:37:57.480
come in with these massive crates of those sugar
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.880
sports drinks, which just, I mean, honestly,
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:02.739
I just drank coffee. There's more value to a
00:38:02.739 --> 00:38:06.449
cup of coffee. any of that crap. And they'll
00:38:06.449 --> 00:38:08.469
have several coaches and they'll have to have
00:38:08.469 --> 00:38:11.309
a meeting room to talk about the schedule. And
00:38:11.309 --> 00:38:13.349
they've got, they're all wearing matching stuff
00:38:13.349 --> 00:38:15.829
and there's 80 different things. How come you
00:38:15.829 --> 00:38:19.429
need seven bags to be on a swim team? I've seen
00:38:19.429 --> 00:38:22.929
what you guys race in. You don't need a lot of,
00:38:22.929 --> 00:38:25.630
you don't need a lot of luggage to race in this
00:38:25.630 --> 00:38:28.190
thing. You know, I mean, you can actually put
00:38:28.190 --> 00:38:30.710
it in your jeans pocket and it was just fine.
00:38:30.750 --> 00:38:34.429
You know, But how often do those guys make it?
00:38:34.550 --> 00:38:36.010
And someone's going to raise their hand. Well,
00:38:36.050 --> 00:38:38.489
Dan, you don't understand it. Okay, I don't understand
00:38:38.489 --> 00:38:41.130
it. You're right. You're right. I don't. Except
00:38:41.130 --> 00:38:44.449
I've been a Division I MVP. And I know that none
00:38:44.449 --> 00:38:47.849
of the guys there, none of the guys on my team,
00:38:48.230 --> 00:38:53.510
there was no silver spoons at Division I. I mean,
00:38:53.530 --> 00:38:56.570
maybe in some sports, but not in mine. Yeah.
00:38:56.570 --> 00:38:58.349
Well, and I think, you know, you can then see.
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:00.860
the domino effect. I mean, the way we've done
00:39:00.860 --> 00:39:04.320
it with these extremes is not creating a healthy
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:06.780
country, you know, and if you're focusing purely
00:39:06.780 --> 00:39:09.139
on performance to the point where your kids are
00:39:09.139 --> 00:39:10.980
blowing out shoulders and knees at, you know,
00:39:10.980 --> 00:39:14.719
15, 16 years old, that's not well. And as I know,
00:39:14.780 --> 00:39:16.059
you know, and it's an interesting thing, even
00:39:16.059 --> 00:39:17.679
when you think about, I'll take football, for
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:21.000
example, you have that morbidly obese kid as
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:23.219
a coach, as a high school coach, are you trying
00:39:23.219 --> 00:39:25.980
to steer that kid towards losing some weight
00:39:25.980 --> 00:39:27.619
and being healthier? Or are you like, oh, that's
00:39:27.619 --> 00:39:29.800
great. I have a refrigerator on my defensive
00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:32.280
line. I'm just going to tell him to keep eating.
00:39:32.380 --> 00:39:35.780
So where is that line of, I think we've steered
00:39:35.780 --> 00:39:39.099
away from wellness towards performance or completely
00:39:39.099 --> 00:39:41.619
away the other way. This is how I break it up.
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:45.460
Health is the optimal interplay of the human
00:39:45.460 --> 00:39:48.619
organs. That's Maffetone's definition. So I think
00:39:48.619 --> 00:39:50.320
it's very important to discuss health with your
00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:54.110
athletes. Well, with your kindergartners, health
00:39:54.110 --> 00:39:57.769
is flossing, seatbelts, helmets, health. Then
00:39:57.769 --> 00:40:00.230
there's fitness. That's the ability to do a task.
00:40:00.389 --> 00:40:04.090
And we've let fitness, and especially now after
00:40:04.090 --> 00:40:09.269
the internet era, fitness is now posting yourself
00:40:09.269 --> 00:40:12.150
doing some idiotic thing. And that's, well, God
00:40:12.150 --> 00:40:14.030
bless you. Good for you. It's the ability of
00:40:14.030 --> 00:40:16.489
a task. And that's it. Right now, I'm totally
00:40:16.489 --> 00:40:18.650
fit to do this podcast. I'm sitting in a chair.
00:40:18.829 --> 00:40:23.210
My dog is. bugging me here on my, down here.
00:40:23.630 --> 00:40:27.210
I'm fit to do it though. Longevity is a quality
00:40:27.210 --> 00:40:30.510
and quantity issue. People in my family don't
00:40:30.510 --> 00:40:33.409
live long, but I'm trying to do my best to have
00:40:33.409 --> 00:40:35.389
real quality experience here on this planet.
00:40:35.769 --> 00:40:37.449
And then there's the thing called performance.
00:40:37.889 --> 00:40:39.949
And that's when they call your name, you step
00:40:39.949 --> 00:40:42.550
up and you perform. And then there's this last
00:40:42.550 --> 00:40:46.010
one that kind of doesn't fit great. But it's
00:40:46.010 --> 00:40:48.809
the word I use is I'm starting to use the word
00:40:48.809 --> 00:40:52.840
vanity, but It's body composition, but it's okay
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:56.840
because after about age 55, vanity is a perfectly
00:40:56.840 --> 00:41:00.519
good reason for someone to keep training. You
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:04.800
know, if you're my age and you want to look good
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:07.780
for any reason at all, that's actually pretty
00:41:07.780 --> 00:41:10.760
damn good because to look good, you got to move
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:16.599
good. You just kind of keep flipping that. It's
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:19.699
like heads and tails. Look good, feel good. Look
00:41:19.699 --> 00:41:21.860
good, feel good. And that's okay. Look good,
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:24.559
feel good, move good. And boom, boom, boom. And
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:27.079
don't take an English class after you say that
00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:31.320
sentence. But when I sit back and I say that.
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:35.380
I think it's the job of a community to emphasize
00:41:35.380 --> 00:41:38.579
health because long, if, if we get everybody,
00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:42.360
I love how I say, if everybody floss their teeth
00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:44.940
twice a day and brush their teeth twice a day,
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:49.559
went to the dentist three times a year. If we
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:54.559
had yearly physicals that also checked into joints
00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:59.179
and yearly physicals that looked into. trending
00:41:59.179 --> 00:42:02.639
obesity you know so that if you had 12 physicals
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:05.320
in a row and we could trend your what direction
00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:08.980
you're heading in to me that's that that'd be
00:42:08.980 --> 00:42:13.940
a much better i mean because that's just the
00:42:13.940 --> 00:42:17.519
start of it but um those are the kinds of things
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:20.820
that i think physical education always should
00:42:20.820 --> 00:42:24.199
always do a better job on i have a one workout
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:27.440
where i recommend to people one personal trainers
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:30.619
and basically it's it's 15 minutes a 30 30 minute
00:42:30.619 --> 00:42:33.099
workout and then at the end of the workout and
00:42:33.099 --> 00:42:36.320
at 15 minutes as the trainer you hand out a floss
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:40.719
stick and then you coach the movements that you
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:42.860
know okay here's the issue i'm seeing when people
00:42:42.860 --> 00:42:45.980
are doing push -ups and you up coach at the end
00:42:45.980 --> 00:42:48.000
of that period while people are flossing their
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:52.059
teeth and and Everybody laughs because I keep
00:42:52.059 --> 00:42:55.199
emphasizing the flossing the teeth. But frankly,
00:42:55.579 --> 00:42:59.019
long term, that 30 minute workout was probably
00:42:59.019 --> 00:43:02.420
pretty good for you. And that learning to move,
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:05.440
you know, the coaching and cuing on the movements
00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:07.260
probably is going to help you long term. But
00:43:07.260 --> 00:43:10.360
so is that damn flossing because it's the habits
00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:13.159
that keep you going. I'm sorry, I'm talking way
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:15.940
too much. I apologize. No, no, it's totally pertinent,
00:43:15.940 --> 00:43:17.880
though. And I think, you know, that's it. We
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:19.820
need these conversations, especially now. I mean,
00:43:19.860 --> 00:43:21.500
one of the most heartbreaking things of the last
00:43:21.500 --> 00:43:23.619
two years, and this was where I stood, and you
00:43:23.619 --> 00:43:25.059
talk about the middle of the road, that's where
00:43:25.059 --> 00:43:27.039
I had one foot on either side of the dotted line,
00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:31.119
is whatever your perspective of, you know, the
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:33.699
dangers of this virus and, you know, the treatment
00:43:33.699 --> 00:43:36.860
options that were presented to you. The absolute
00:43:36.860 --> 00:43:39.739
raw truth was if you improve your underlying
00:43:39.739 --> 00:43:42.239
health, your outcome is going to be better, whether
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:45.139
you choose a vaccine or ivermectin or whatever
00:43:45.139 --> 00:43:49.800
you've been kind of sold. And yet, sadly, that
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:51.780
wasn't only not talked about, it was suppressed.
00:43:52.059 --> 00:43:54.639
And here we are two years later, and the most
00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:57.119
disgusting thing is that people are mentally
00:43:57.119 --> 00:43:59.679
and physically sicker than they were two years
00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:02.059
ago. So not only did we not learn a lesson, we
00:44:02.059 --> 00:44:06.179
actually regressed even more. this wellness comment
00:44:06.179 --> 00:44:08.380
even if it's something as simple as flossing
00:44:08.380 --> 00:44:11.000
your teeth if that leads to then maybe taking
00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:13.800
the dog for a walk so maybe you know dropping
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:16.019
in and going to the local pool and swimming for
00:44:16.019 --> 00:44:17.739
10 minutes and then you build and build and build
00:44:17.739 --> 00:44:20.920
eventually you will start forcing these habits
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:24.159
but the environment that was created and ownership
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:27.320
is obviously absolutely key but i kind of try
00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:30.590
and like play devil's advocate So if you have
00:44:30.590 --> 00:44:32.210
an environment like last year at high school
00:44:32.210 --> 00:44:34.150
where you're a child and you come in and you
00:44:34.150 --> 00:44:37.789
wear the same uniform and you stand on the number
00:44:37.789 --> 00:44:40.889
and you forge community and your teams want to
00:44:40.889 --> 00:44:42.710
level up and then the next thing you've graduated
00:44:42.710 --> 00:44:45.150
and you're a phenomenal shape that carries you
00:44:45.150 --> 00:44:47.070
through the rest of your life, that's also a
00:44:47.070 --> 00:44:49.230
product of your environment. If your environment
00:44:49.230 --> 00:44:50.710
is your government tells you to stay in your
00:44:50.710 --> 00:44:52.489
house and shut up and you can get alcohol and
00:44:52.489 --> 00:44:55.030
fast food delivered to your house, that's not
00:44:55.030 --> 00:44:58.659
an environment that's promoting health. Now all
00:44:58.659 --> 00:45:00.219
that white noise has stopped for the moment.
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:02.400
And if you're not listening to, you know, Eastern
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:06.179
European politics or gas prices, these are such
00:45:06.179 --> 00:45:08.039
important conversations for people to realize,
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:12.300
okay, today I can floss one single tooth and
00:45:12.300 --> 00:45:14.780
then start building on that. Oh, DJ Fogg, yeah.
00:45:15.019 --> 00:45:16.639
Exactly. And I've heard you talk about that too
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:19.099
and Tim Ferriss and other people, but that's
00:45:19.099 --> 00:45:21.940
exactly it. The only day we have is today. So
00:45:21.940 --> 00:45:23.980
if you haven't done it up to this point, then
00:45:23.980 --> 00:45:28.469
start today. Well, I mean, well, that's my whole,
00:45:28.469 --> 00:45:31.829
all my stuff's in the other room, but you know,
00:45:31.829 --> 00:45:35.289
every, every single day I, you know, I start
00:45:35.289 --> 00:45:38.530
every day. Well, yeah, this, I start every day
00:45:38.530 --> 00:45:40.329
and I put a line down a piece of paper and I
00:45:40.329 --> 00:45:44.250
write my two most important goals. And I, after
00:45:44.250 --> 00:45:47.949
I sleep, meditate, drink coffee every single
00:45:47.949 --> 00:45:49.969
day, I think of better ways to achieve my two
00:45:49.969 --> 00:45:52.590
most important goals. And that's, but I mean,
00:45:52.610 --> 00:45:55.409
I'm, I'm an outliers outlier. I get that. And,
00:45:56.570 --> 00:46:00.309
My thing on the whole COVID stuff is that if
00:46:00.309 --> 00:46:03.190
you would have told my mom, and I've said this
00:46:03.190 --> 00:46:07.070
many times, my mom, her husband went off to war.
00:46:07.210 --> 00:46:09.230
Her brothers went off to war. Her sons went off
00:46:09.230 --> 00:46:15.650
to war. They didn't come back whole. She didn't
00:46:15.650 --> 00:46:18.329
fear war. She feared polio. And if you would
00:46:18.329 --> 00:46:20.289
have told my mom, you're not going to get the
00:46:20.289 --> 00:46:24.250
polio vaccine because of some, you know. whatever,
00:46:24.369 --> 00:46:26.369
she'd have slapped your face right off. And she
00:46:26.369 --> 00:46:28.389
was a tough little Irish woman, and she would
00:46:28.389 --> 00:46:34.690
have done it. So, for me, I always think, maybe
00:46:34.690 --> 00:46:37.829
it's because of my theological background, but
00:46:37.829 --> 00:46:40.869
I've always been somebody who was taught to put
00:46:40.869 --> 00:46:45.280
the community first. So if I can do some, I do
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:46.860
this other thing that's kind of weird. Here in
00:46:46.860 --> 00:46:48.360
the United States, I drive on the right side
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:50.579
of the road, even though I think my individual
00:46:50.579 --> 00:46:52.619
freedom should allow me to drive on the left
00:46:52.619 --> 00:46:56.840
side of the road. Sometimes you got to just kind
00:46:56.840 --> 00:46:59.960
of go with the flow. And again, the COVID example
00:46:59.960 --> 00:47:05.880
is always going to be, you know, I have a few
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:08.719
friends who, and I'm thinking of one guy who
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:14.570
I really like, who, barely survived COVID. And
00:47:14.570 --> 00:47:16.869
it's interesting to have a conversation with
00:47:16.869 --> 00:47:21.809
him about how he feels now after the 42 days
00:47:21.809 --> 00:47:25.429
he spent in intensive care. And it's like one
00:47:25.429 --> 00:47:28.230
of those things where, true, true, you're absolutely
00:47:28.230 --> 00:47:32.389
right. Everything that was done was done badly.
00:47:33.590 --> 00:47:39.369
We couldn't have put together a worse torrent
00:47:39.369 --> 00:47:46.900
of Issues here. But I will agree with your point.
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:53.840
We have been denigrating physical education in
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:58.340
this country. And well, our education system
00:47:58.340 --> 00:48:03.280
has. I mean, I mean, for example, the parents
00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:07.139
don't want this, you know, this this idea that.
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:10.219
We're back to banning books again in schools
00:48:10.219 --> 00:48:14.360
and the book choices. They want to ban Harry
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:17.760
Potter, for God's sakes. Why are we letting those
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:21.440
outliers, again, dominate the conversation? And
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:24.440
why do some parents think they're experts on
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:26.940
everything? And the funny thing is, the ones
00:48:26.940 --> 00:48:30.380
who teach that, a principal told me that the
00:48:30.380 --> 00:48:34.280
worst parent he has to deal with was a child.
00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:37.760
Okay, the worst parent at the school is someone
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:41.440
I taught. And now this parent is an expert on
00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:45.179
every topic. I taught this person. And I can
00:48:45.179 --> 00:48:48.000
tell you from this was the greatest slacker in
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:51.980
history who happened to marry very well. So it's
00:48:51.980 --> 00:48:57.199
just funny how the universe works. All right,
00:48:57.199 --> 00:48:58.760
enough of that. Let's move on. Yeah, yeah. So
00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:00.460
I was looking for a kind of tangent, but there
00:49:00.460 --> 00:49:03.119
was no organic one. So we'll just hit the handbrake
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:06.719
and turn. You obviously have a strong background
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:10.280
in coaching on the sporting side. When did you
00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:12.460
start kind of getting into the tactical side?
00:49:12.579 --> 00:49:14.739
Obviously, you were there at TSAC. And then what
00:49:14.739 --> 00:49:16.820
differences did you start noticing with some
00:49:16.820 --> 00:49:18.940
of the tactical athletes that you were presented
00:49:18.940 --> 00:49:22.840
with versus the sporting athletes? First off,
00:49:22.860 --> 00:49:27.360
I hate the phrase tactical athletes. When I mentioned
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:31.719
this crap, pardon me, when I talked to my brother,
00:49:31.820 --> 00:49:34.739
especially Gary, about this kind of stuff, it
00:49:34.739 --> 00:49:40.679
really really upsets him uh he the there's a
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:43.199
book written on his group called search and destroy
00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:47.039
they had to keep taking and retaking cigar island
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:51.059
in vietnam and you know we're talking about these
00:49:51.059 --> 00:49:55.400
math so to to prepare themselves they you know
00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:58.260
those folding chairs those crappy folding chairs
00:49:58.260 --> 00:50:00.820
that everybody sits in you know that yeah they
00:50:00.820 --> 00:50:04.679
always break at parties the summer They basically
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:07.500
duct tape those to the top of their armored personnel
00:50:07.500 --> 00:50:10.699
carriers. And they had a guy up on top of that
00:50:10.699 --> 00:50:14.280
leading the fight so he could see better. So
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:16.719
they duct tape a folding chair on top of the
00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:21.099
APCs to go into battle. And he goes, you know,
00:50:21.099 --> 00:50:23.599
and I've seen pictures. And I actually have a
00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:26.739
couple of him in Vietnam. And they are just a
00:50:26.739 --> 00:50:31.860
bunch of skinny guys, you know, just fighting
00:50:31.860 --> 00:50:36.159
for each other. And, you know, now, you know,
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:39.639
now we have these, I mean, every single thing
00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:42.719
we do has that little edge to it. You know, there's,
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:45.280
it's not just, we're not just doing a race anymore.
00:50:45.340 --> 00:50:47.760
Now it's a sparking challenge, you know, you
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:51.599
know, now let's say, you know, I don't know,
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:56.659
Athenian warlord challenge. Everything is militarized,
00:50:56.699 --> 00:51:00.869
but. When you talk to people who've been, like
00:51:00.869 --> 00:51:03.650
I got a buddy who's been deployed 14 times. And
00:51:03.650 --> 00:51:06.150
when you talk to him about this stuff, basically
00:51:06.150 --> 00:51:09.010
he tells you, all you need to do to train is
00:51:09.010 --> 00:51:11.150
do loaded carries because all you ever do is
00:51:11.150 --> 00:51:13.190
pick stuff up and move it from here to there,
00:51:13.250 --> 00:51:16.750
here to there, here to there. And then when someone
00:51:16.750 --> 00:51:20.650
shoots you, you find a hole. Years ago, years
00:51:20.650 --> 00:51:23.389
and years ago, my brother Gary told me that the
00:51:23.389 --> 00:51:26.369
reason he think he survived in Vietnam because
00:51:26.780 --> 00:51:28.960
We used to play hide and go seek almost every
00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:32.440
night in the summer and hide and go seek taught
00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:36.239
him more about survival than all the, I don't
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:38.219
know, all the pushups in the world and, you know,
00:51:38.219 --> 00:51:41.340
kipping pull -ups you'd ever do, you know? So
00:51:41.340 --> 00:51:47.639
the number one thing for me is when I work with
00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:53.280
America's military is how brutally injured our
00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:58.090
forces are. The shoulder issues, the knee issues,
00:51:58.190 --> 00:52:03.170
the lower back issues. And so, you know, like,
00:52:03.230 --> 00:52:04.690
for example, I came up with something called
00:52:04.690 --> 00:52:08.469
the post -deployment program. And it's a very
00:52:08.469 --> 00:52:13.690
popular, you know what I could do? Maybe I'm
00:52:13.690 --> 00:52:15.769
going to have to bounce right after this to coach,
00:52:15.929 --> 00:52:19.590
but email me and I'll send you the whole program.
00:52:19.730 --> 00:52:21.130
And if you want to share it with your audience,
00:52:21.289 --> 00:52:23.510
I'm fine. Oh, thank you. I appreciate it. I'll
00:52:23.510 --> 00:52:25.860
put it on the webpage with this episode. Yeah,
00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:31.219
and the post -deployment program is, you know,
00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:34.500
the first month you, I mean, the presses are
00:52:34.500 --> 00:52:37.519
all half -kneeling presses. And the reason we
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:39.420
do that is to get the hip flexor to stretch,
00:52:39.539 --> 00:52:43.059
to reteach the glute to work, to support the
00:52:43.059 --> 00:52:45.500
lower back, and to have the shoulder work through
00:52:45.500 --> 00:52:48.360
a full range of motion. The pulling exercise
00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:52.880
for the first month is to hang. That's it. um
00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:55.599
it's high rep squats and it's rack deadlifts
00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:58.460
and it's lots and lots of loaded carries and
00:52:58.460 --> 00:53:05.900
and the pacific command really supports this
00:53:05.900 --> 00:53:08.920
this program in fact uh you know somebody with
00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:13.579
stars on their shirt told me that was a uh you
00:53:13.579 --> 00:53:16.139
know it was a game changer for him personally
00:53:16.139 --> 00:53:18.980
and he he's starting to really understand the
00:53:18.980 --> 00:53:23.510
role of post -deployment training. You know,
00:53:23.550 --> 00:53:26.869
pre -deployment training should, I mean, personally,
00:53:26.969 --> 00:53:29.730
for every push -up you do, I'd rather you work
00:53:29.730 --> 00:53:33.150
on your sharpshooting skills. I mean, for every
00:53:33.150 --> 00:53:37.789
burpee, you know, you should be practicing appropriate
00:53:37.789 --> 00:53:40.789
concealment techniques, you know, because as
00:53:40.789 --> 00:53:42.769
great as burpees are, and I think they're a bunch
00:53:42.769 --> 00:53:48.630
of crap, the truth is, the enemy will figure
00:53:48.630 --> 00:53:51.079
out what you're doing. after the 30th burpee,
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:52.420
and I think they're going to get a good shot
00:53:52.420 --> 00:53:58.019
at you. So for me, the number one thing I've
00:53:58.019 --> 00:54:00.880
kind of come around to is the realization of
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:07.760
how broken our forces are. And we have great
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:13.880
physios. My niece, who's a colonel, she's a nurse.
00:54:14.619 --> 00:54:17.219
And I'm very proud of what the nurses and doctors
00:54:17.219 --> 00:54:23.840
have done remarkably in here to fix the real
00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:27.219
breaks. But it's the lower end stuff that we've
00:54:27.219 --> 00:54:31.519
got to work on. The nagging lower back, hip,
00:54:31.659 --> 00:54:36.360
knee, ankle injuries, shoulders, shoulders, 90
00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:39.380
percent, 90 plus percent. And we have to be a
00:54:39.380 --> 00:54:44.900
lot smarter about. working with the general military
00:54:44.900 --> 00:54:49.860
core with these egregious issues. And I would
00:54:49.860 --> 00:54:54.900
say, yeah, shoulders, hang for your shoulders,
00:54:55.000 --> 00:54:56.980
half -kneeling press. I'm going to stick with
00:54:56.980 --> 00:54:58.460
it. There, I'm going to give you the damn program.
00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:03.159
Wader walks, suitcase carries. Suitcase, by the
00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:06.719
way, suitcase carries and wader walks help stabilize
00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:10.869
the shoulders. suitcase carries are great for
00:55:10.869 --> 00:55:13.650
pitchers. They actually help the velocity according
00:55:13.650 --> 00:55:17.010
to one of the teams I work with. And because
00:55:17.010 --> 00:55:19.110
it builds up and they have some reason for it,
00:55:19.130 --> 00:55:21.829
I don't care. I don't care why it works, if it
00:55:21.829 --> 00:55:25.389
works. So the whole program is based on making
00:55:25.389 --> 00:55:32.170
people move better and feel better. So for me,
00:55:32.250 --> 00:55:39.750
the thing that is just how broken, the core is
00:55:39.750 --> 00:55:42.949
when they get back. Now I knew that growing up
00:55:42.949 --> 00:55:45.050
when, you know, when I was, what was I, I was
00:55:45.050 --> 00:55:48.030
in the third grade, I was in the third grade
00:55:48.030 --> 00:55:49.949
when Ray came home from NOM and I was in the
00:55:49.949 --> 00:55:52.730
sixth grade when Gary came home. So I was up
00:55:52.730 --> 00:56:00.309
close and personal watching what, what post -deployment
00:56:00.309 --> 00:56:03.510
looks like in the real world. But now that I'm
00:56:03.510 --> 00:56:07.179
a professional, Now I realize that, I mean, I
00:56:07.179 --> 00:56:11.400
saw the wounded side of being, of, you know,
00:56:11.400 --> 00:56:15.000
Gary losing his hearing and Ray, you know, Ray
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:20.780
still has massive issues. I mean, I'm in full
00:56:20.780 --> 00:56:23.900
candor. I'm shocked that Ray and Gary are still
00:56:23.900 --> 00:56:29.820
alive. My brother, Phil, is not. He died. Wow.
00:56:30.300 --> 00:56:35.360
Almost three years ago, I guess now. Yeah. But,
00:56:35.360 --> 00:56:39.679
you know, God bless Ray. I'm shocked he's still
00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:42.239
alive. He was one of those Marines got hit by
00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:45.000
Agent Orange. Both of his shoulders are gone
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:48.360
because he was a mortar man. By definition, all
00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:51.519
mortar men have no shoulders. It's just that's
00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:59.159
the issue. So what I think we need to be much
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:02.289
more holistic as we address this. There's no
00:57:02.289 --> 00:57:05.429
question on the, I'm going to say mental side,
00:57:05.570 --> 00:57:11.670
but we used to, now we train you to unlock a
00:57:11.670 --> 00:57:17.469
thing. 1 % of males, maybe two, can kill with
00:57:17.469 --> 00:57:22.590
impunity. The rest of us have to be trained to
00:57:22.590 --> 00:57:25.789
overcome that urge, to be able to repeat it.
00:57:25.949 --> 00:57:28.949
So that has to be addressed, you know, to kind
00:57:28.949 --> 00:57:31.650
of get us back to being normal. You're going
00:57:31.650 --> 00:57:34.469
to see some things that humans should not see.
00:57:34.829 --> 00:57:37.570
We got to deal with that. On the emotional side,
00:57:37.849 --> 00:57:41.170
while you were deployed, your girlfriend married
00:57:41.170 --> 00:57:44.809
somebody else and has two kids, okay, or whatever,
00:57:44.909 --> 00:57:47.610
you know, while you did this thing, we got to
00:57:47.610 --> 00:57:50.349
deal with that. Financially, we've got to help
00:57:50.349 --> 00:57:52.590
you, you know, in a number of different ways.
00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:00.840
ongoing education has to be taken care of, blah,
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:04.320
blah, blah. On the physical realm, here are these
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:07.719
issues. And sadly, we can fix the financial very
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:10.639
well. I think we can fix some of the emotional,
00:58:10.739 --> 00:58:13.980
mental things pretty well. We've got to be as
00:58:13.980 --> 00:58:17.619
good at getting you back to whatever. whatever
00:58:17.619 --> 00:58:20.599
normal is post -deployment. Maybe that shoulder
00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:22.400
will never, you may never, never throw a fastball
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:25.360
again, but at least be able to, you know, you
00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:27.800
don't have to type like this, you know, you know.
00:58:28.980 --> 00:58:31.460
So that, that, that's what, that's what I think.
00:58:32.119 --> 00:58:34.519
Well, again, I appreciate your, your perspective
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:36.940
and it's, you know, it's, it's always interesting
00:58:36.940 --> 00:58:39.519
getting people who, again, are known for the
00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:41.920
sporting side and then looking at the, the military.
00:58:42.099 --> 00:58:44.460
My community is the fire, you know, firefighters.
00:58:44.739 --> 00:58:47.840
So again, we don't have, post -deployment. So
00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:50.880
what I see through my lens, and I'm a white belt,
00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:56.099
one black stripe coach myself, is when every
00:58:56.099 --> 00:58:58.500
third day you're not sleeping, you're not getting
00:58:58.500 --> 00:59:00.639
the ability to recover mentally or physically.
00:59:00.820 --> 00:59:03.639
I see my men and women breaking down mentally,
00:59:03.699 --> 00:59:06.400
but I also see the injuries. And the sad thing
00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:11.119
is, is this kind of like known guffawing of...
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:14.099
deconditioned firefighters making fun of the
00:59:14.099 --> 00:59:15.980
ones that take this training seriously and they
00:59:15.980 --> 00:59:17.519
go oh it's the fit ones that always get hurt
00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:19.139
well if you look at sleep medicine there's a
00:59:19.139 --> 00:59:21.340
reason for that because they're training but
00:59:21.340 --> 00:59:22.900
they're not being given the ability to truly
00:59:22.900 --> 00:59:26.039
recover but i see my profession plagued with
00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:27.480
injuries and then you start getting the weight
00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:31.539
gain so with with these you know whether it's
00:59:31.539 --> 00:59:34.219
military fire police or you know just regular
00:59:34.219 --> 00:59:38.199
person in the street I see how an injury can
00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:40.940
become a real barrier to continuing your strength
00:59:40.940 --> 00:59:42.679
and conditioning because it just fucking hurts,
00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:46.320
for lack of a better word. You summarized it
00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:50.639
perfectly. So how do you help some of your athletes
00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:52.980
that you work with navigate that so they can
00:59:52.980 --> 00:59:54.739
get back? I mean, obviously not specific injury,
00:59:54.860 --> 00:59:57.559
but just in general. Let's do this right now.
00:59:57.619 --> 01:00:04.340
Let me find the post -deployment program. All
01:00:04.340 --> 01:00:09.440
right, we're going to send this. All right, so
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:12.860
what I'm going to do is I'm going to send. This
01:00:12.860 --> 01:00:15.900
is how I do it. I could be wrong. I doubt that.
01:00:19.519 --> 01:00:23.619
Basically, so let's slide back. You brought up
01:00:23.619 --> 01:00:26.059
recovery, so let's start there. I have this little
01:00:26.059 --> 01:00:28.659
thing called the rules of recovery, and then
01:00:28.659 --> 01:00:31.539
I highlight them in red. The biggest issue you
01:00:31.539 --> 01:00:34.760
guys have, no offense. the tactical side, the
01:00:34.760 --> 01:00:37.139
firefighters and all you guys, you go online
01:00:37.139 --> 01:00:39.420
and you have a condition that my daughter explained
01:00:39.420 --> 01:00:44.039
to me is called FOMO, fear of missing out. You
01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:47.659
keep thinking that you're one new recovery device.
01:00:47.820 --> 01:00:50.800
Oh, I've got an app on my phone. Oh, I wear this
01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:57.079
magic ring. And the truth is my brother, number
01:00:57.079 --> 01:01:01.219
one is sleep. I'm not sure there's a number two.
01:01:02.570 --> 01:01:06.389
And that's the problem. Right now, you talk about
01:01:06.389 --> 01:01:08.110
flogging a dead horse. This is my dead horse.
01:01:08.590 --> 01:01:13.110
Right now, the person that is checking out your
01:01:13.110 --> 01:01:15.650
groceries at the store or your banker at the
01:01:15.650 --> 01:01:19.030
bank, 40 hours they're hitting their work week
01:01:19.030 --> 01:01:23.460
ceiling. The fire service, 56 hours usually is
01:01:23.460 --> 01:01:25.340
the bare minimum before they're told they can't
01:01:25.340 --> 01:01:27.559
go home for a shift. And now it becomes a 72
01:01:27.559 --> 01:01:30.039
-hour work week. So the men and women that we
01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:32.840
have that we're asking to be at this peak physical
01:01:32.840 --> 01:01:35.539
and mental performance, sometimes a minute after
01:01:35.539 --> 01:01:37.760
they've got out of bed, are the ones that we're
01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:39.739
working into the ground and not giving their
01:01:39.739 --> 01:01:42.980
recovery. Very conversely to all their sporting
01:01:42.980 --> 01:01:46.320
heroes that they adore every weekend. Right.
01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:49.780
And it's interesting because I made a minimum.
01:01:50.170 --> 01:01:52.150
for myself of nine hours of sleep every night.
01:01:52.829 --> 01:01:56.050
So I'm 65. I'm an Olympic lift. Hi, I'm Dan.
01:01:56.230 --> 01:02:01.250
I'm 65. And I have a bare minimum of nine hours.
01:02:02.369 --> 01:02:04.269
The second thing, and this is something I think
01:02:04.269 --> 01:02:05.829
you guys need to be better. And this is something,
01:02:05.929 --> 01:02:08.809
now the problem with the word I'm about to use
01:02:08.809 --> 01:02:11.849
is it's still considered to be kind of a woohoo
01:02:11.849 --> 01:02:15.369
meditation. We know that, I don't know if you've
01:02:15.369 --> 01:02:17.130
suffered from concussions, but it has been a
01:02:17.130 --> 01:02:20.550
major issue in my life. I have. I was a martial
01:02:20.550 --> 01:02:22.969
artist for quite a long time. Yeah, I got hit
01:02:22.969 --> 01:02:26.349
with a discus. It should have killed me. Which
01:02:26.349 --> 01:02:28.230
it should have killed me. In fact, I still think
01:02:28.230 --> 01:02:30.969
I'm dead. And these are just the synapses just
01:02:30.969 --> 01:02:35.869
playing off this wonderful little story. I don't,
01:02:35.889 --> 01:02:39.989
yeah, I could be. I have right over here. I have
01:02:39.989 --> 01:02:41.989
a, don't I grab it real quick? Yeah, please.
01:02:44.489 --> 01:02:47.050
And I'm not, by the way, as you know, I don't
01:02:47.050 --> 01:02:50.380
sell anything, right? So this is a sleep mask
01:02:50.380 --> 01:02:55.099
with Bluetooth speakers in it. Ah, okay. So sleep
01:02:55.099 --> 01:02:58.119
mask, Bluetooth speakers. Every morning when
01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:02.579
I wake up, the moment I wake up, before I put
01:03:02.579 --> 01:03:05.900
on my makeup, I say a little prayer for you.
01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:09.599
So every morning after I wake up, I put this
01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:13.000
on and I do a 15 minute meditation from brain
01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:16.989
.fm. And I do the one called. Brain reflection.
01:03:17.489 --> 01:03:21.750
I have probably gone through a couple of hundred
01:03:21.750 --> 01:03:23.809
different ones and I like that one the best.
01:03:25.150 --> 01:03:28.769
Meditation is where you consciously bring yourself
01:03:28.769 --> 01:03:32.329
down. You turn the engine. And the reason I do
01:03:32.329 --> 01:03:35.030
it first thing is that when I meditate, most
01:03:35.030 --> 01:03:38.429
of the time I fall asleep. And one of the things
01:03:38.429 --> 01:03:41.170
about you, if you fall asleep while you're meditating,
01:03:41.369 --> 01:03:45.199
that means you're tired. So meditation is actively
01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:48.039
practicing. But what's funny is that the research
01:03:48.039 --> 01:03:51.099
on meditation with concussions is that it's just
01:03:51.099 --> 01:03:54.340
excellent. I mean, it's very good for concussions.
01:03:54.460 --> 01:03:56.559
And the other advice I recommend is this thing
01:03:56.559 --> 01:03:59.900
here. And nothing else I've ever discovered works
01:03:59.900 --> 01:04:02.619
as well as this damn thing. This is that, for
01:04:02.619 --> 01:04:05.079
those of you just listening, this is that gun.
01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:07.619
What do you call them? Massage guns? Yeah, Theragun
01:04:07.619 --> 01:04:09.519
or whatever. I think Theragun is the brand, but
01:04:09.519 --> 01:04:12.239
yeah. Every single other thing I've ever tried
01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:16.099
between, I've got vibra, I can almost hear, yeah,
01:04:16.179 --> 01:04:18.739
almost usually I've got crap right behind me.
01:04:19.659 --> 01:04:22.719
But I've got the, I mean, I've got the vibrating
01:04:22.719 --> 01:04:26.500
head massage, you know, the neck massager. I
01:04:26.500 --> 01:04:28.539
got the little thing you go like this. I've got
01:04:28.539 --> 01:04:34.579
the mat. So right there, I have a sauna. So for
01:04:34.579 --> 01:04:38.840
me, meditation, sauna. And then I take this into
01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:43.079
the sauna, by the way. And then, and then while
01:04:43.079 --> 01:04:48.360
I'm schvitzing, I, uh, I, uh, I try to rub out
01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:50.780
those hotspots, which, oh, there's one right
01:04:50.780 --> 01:04:56.820
there. So now this cost me 80 bucks and that
01:04:56.820 --> 01:04:59.719
cost me about 20 bucks. And the, the lifetime
01:04:59.719 --> 01:05:04.280
subscription to, uh, brain FM wasn't very expensive.
01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:08.260
Those are the best three things I can tell you.
01:05:08.719 --> 01:05:14.519
So, okay, first, sleep by itself. Make sleep
01:05:14.519 --> 01:05:18.719
king. If you're sleeping at the station, I think
01:05:18.719 --> 01:05:22.219
you should have a face mask on and be listening
01:05:22.219 --> 01:05:24.739
to white noise. I also have a white noise machine
01:05:24.739 --> 01:05:30.840
over there, too. After that, I would say meditate,
01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:38.969
some kind of self -massage. I like the gun. Obviously,
01:05:38.969 --> 01:05:42.690
there might be some nutritional things. I don't
01:05:42.690 --> 01:05:46.130
know. In my case, fermented food seems to help
01:05:46.130 --> 01:05:49.750
with my recovery. That might be a one -off. But
01:05:49.750 --> 01:05:53.710
after that, everything else is just FOMO. Yeah,
01:05:53.730 --> 01:05:56.110
I can agree with you. I meditate. I use an app
01:05:56.110 --> 01:05:57.909
called Headspace. It's probably exactly the same
01:05:57.909 --> 01:06:00.650
kind of thing. I love that. I think, yeah, the
01:06:00.650 --> 01:06:02.349
only problem with the sleep mask with the Bluetooth
01:06:02.349 --> 01:06:04.170
is that the firefighters might miss the call.
01:06:04.289 --> 01:06:06.170
So that might be the only downside because they
01:06:06.170 --> 01:06:09.010
sleep so well with it on. But when they go home,
01:06:09.150 --> 01:06:10.809
especially, for example, law enforcement, if
01:06:10.809 --> 01:06:12.409
they're coming home and it's daytime, I think
01:06:12.409 --> 01:06:14.809
the sleep mask is invaluable. I really do. And
01:06:14.809 --> 01:06:16.829
then it's funny you said with fermented foods.
01:06:16.949 --> 01:06:19.210
I just listened to Andrew Huberman's latest podcast.
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:21.940
where they're talking about the gut -brain connection
01:06:21.940 --> 01:06:24.880
and fermented foods being one of the only things
01:06:24.880 --> 01:06:27.960
they've shown that seems to truly enhance the
01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:31.800
good bacteria as opposed to the bad. What? Wow.
01:06:31.980 --> 01:06:36.619
All news to me. If you get a chance, my Instagram
01:06:36.619 --> 01:06:42.940
is called CoachDanJohn. Okay. Would you mind
01:06:42.940 --> 01:06:45.739
putting in, I took a picture of, so yesterday
01:06:45.739 --> 01:06:48.980
I worked with the, one of the groups I work with
01:06:48.980 --> 01:06:51.980
sent me this really cool thing. Okay. So that
01:06:51.980 --> 01:06:54.340
one of the sergeants made it for us, for me,
01:06:54.460 --> 01:06:58.619
it's an American flag. And then it includes the
01:06:58.619 --> 01:07:02.059
shield of the group I'm working with. And then
01:07:02.059 --> 01:07:07.639
a picture of them, a wooden, but. And so it sent
01:07:07.639 --> 01:07:09.860
it to me. So it's a picture me with that. And
01:07:09.860 --> 01:07:13.860
number two, it's yesterday's lunch or breakfast.
01:07:14.380 --> 01:07:17.059
And when you look at the amount of fermented
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food I eat on a typical day, it'll shock you.
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I make my own sauerkraut. I have turmeric sauerkraut.
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I have, I mean, I buy kimchi, but I try to eat
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eight different vegetables every day. That's
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just like, that's on my. Well, on the back of
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my computer that I have a pirate map that tells
01:07:37.780 --> 01:07:43.500
me to do that. But yeah, the fermented food has
01:07:43.500 --> 01:07:47.000
been a true game changer in my life. And I'm
01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:50.139
not exaggerating for once. Well, I want to just
01:07:50.139 --> 01:07:51.880
ask you one more question before I let you go.
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So be mindful of your time. Here you are, as
01:07:54.820 --> 01:07:56.619
you said, you call yourself an outlier's outlier.
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And I think the sad thing is that some of our
01:07:58.440 --> 01:08:01.159
outliers should be the average person. We just,
01:08:01.239 --> 01:08:04.380
the needle has swung so far the wrong way. Oh,
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can I just comment on that? Please. Yeah. Being
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extraordinary. It's the easiest time in history
01:08:10.420 --> 01:08:14.579
to be extraordinary. It is shockingly the bar
01:08:14.579 --> 01:08:18.119
to be outstanding is so low now. It just, it
01:08:18.119 --> 01:08:21.460
makes me laugh. I'm not being a jerk at all.
01:08:21.500 --> 01:08:25.000
I'm just saying it's, there are so many more.
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I mean, you can be, I don't care where you live.
01:08:29.289 --> 01:08:31.590
You can be outstanding in your field because
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of social media. It is easier to be successful
01:08:34.270 --> 01:08:37.569
now than any time in history. We don't care what
01:08:37.569 --> 01:08:41.329
color you are, what color your hair is, what
01:08:41.329 --> 01:08:45.409
color your eyes are, whatever your gender, your
01:08:45.409 --> 01:08:50.289
sex, what your house looks like. You can make
01:08:50.289 --> 01:08:53.189
it. Every place is New York right now. If you
01:08:53.189 --> 01:08:54.750
could make it there, you could make it anywhere.
01:08:54.949 --> 01:08:58.350
New York is everywhere now. And to get in the
01:08:58.350 --> 01:09:02.010
top 5%, Earl Nightingale talks about, to be a
01:09:02.010 --> 01:09:04.909
top 5 % author of all time, you have to sell
01:09:04.909 --> 01:09:08.750
10 ,000 books. It's never been easier to write
01:09:08.750 --> 01:09:11.350
and make a book than it has been now. If you're
01:09:11.350 --> 01:09:15.050
a musician, you read the work of Derek Sivers,
01:09:15.189 --> 01:09:18.710
okay? And read the work of Derek Sivers, S -I
01:09:18.710 --> 01:09:22.890
-V -E -R -S. There's no easier time. There's
01:09:22.890 --> 01:09:26.770
no Derek Sivers. If you don't know him, know
01:09:26.770 --> 01:09:29.029
him by the end of the day, folks. And tell him
01:09:29.029 --> 01:09:33.810
I said hi. He actually listens to an online strength
01:09:33.810 --> 01:09:37.609
coach named Dan John for his physical education
01:09:37.609 --> 01:09:39.369
stuff. That's kind of cool, isn't it? That's
01:09:39.369 --> 01:09:43.289
brilliant. If you're a musician, it's never been
01:09:43.289 --> 01:09:46.670
easier than now to become famous. There's this
01:09:46.670 --> 01:09:49.409
little Canadian boy, the Bieber boy, YouTube
01:09:49.409 --> 01:09:52.539
sensation. No matter what you do, it's easier
01:09:52.539 --> 01:09:57.779
now to be elite. If you want to lose body fat,
01:09:58.560 --> 01:10:01.939
there's never been more information better. Now,
01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:05.579
the upside now is that there's never been more.
01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:11.819
So your ability to discern is the key. So even
01:10:11.819 --> 01:10:15.039
though it's easier to be successful now, but
01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:17.500
you have to discern better than any other time
01:10:17.500 --> 01:10:19.760
in history. I agree completely. I wrote a book
01:10:19.760 --> 01:10:22.020
about a year and a half ago, and it was amazing.
01:10:22.199 --> 01:10:24.840
And I started a podcast five years ago. And I
01:10:24.840 --> 01:10:26.640
don't know where I am on that pyramid, but the
01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:28.720
point is you don't know until you try. I think
01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:30.100
that's the big part. Have you had more than seven
01:10:30.100 --> 01:10:34.420
podcasts? I have almost 600. So congratulations,
01:10:34.819 --> 01:10:37.239
you're in the top 5%. By the way, most podcasts
01:10:37.239 --> 01:10:40.039
fail after seven. Yeah, I heard that from Tim
01:10:40.039 --> 01:10:42.140
Ferriss when I first started. So I recorded six.
01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:45.760
Was that right? Yeah. Oh, that is true then.
01:10:45.859 --> 01:10:47.680
Okay. I just heard it. I didn't know it was an
01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:50.539
actual stat. Yeah. I haven't seen like, you know,
01:10:50.560 --> 01:10:52.699
facts, but Tim Ferriss is definitely, you know,
01:10:52.699 --> 01:10:54.560
someone who's very, very thorough. So yeah, I
01:10:54.560 --> 01:10:56.140
think that was the average back then. We're talking,
01:10:56.239 --> 01:10:57.720
you know, probably five and a half years ago
01:10:57.720 --> 01:11:01.050
now. But then he just revisited it to another
01:11:01.050 --> 01:11:02.989
episode again, kind of retroactively looking
01:11:02.989 --> 01:11:05.310
back. And it was the same kind of same things,
01:11:05.449 --> 01:11:07.189
you know. And I tell people, people contact me
01:11:07.189 --> 01:11:09.789
wanting to. And I'm like, then just do it. You
01:11:09.789 --> 01:11:12.069
want to write a book, write a book. I agree with
01:11:12.069 --> 01:11:15.109
you 100%. There has never been a more liberating
01:11:15.109 --> 01:11:18.149
time. You don't have to beg a publisher. You
01:11:18.149 --> 01:11:20.369
don't have to try and get on a TV network. You
01:11:20.369 --> 01:11:22.850
just post your video, your recording, whatever
01:11:22.850 --> 01:11:26.289
it is. If it's good, people will listen and then
01:11:26.289 --> 01:11:27.829
people will talk about it. And if it's not -
01:11:27.829 --> 01:11:32.750
And if you're off the rails, you're going to
01:11:32.750 --> 01:11:35.409
have a whole bunch of people who are going to
01:11:35.409 --> 01:11:40.409
- Yesterday on my flight home from New York,
01:11:40.710 --> 01:11:45.430
the person sitting next to me in first class
01:11:45.430 --> 01:11:52.569
is an extremely famous actress. extremely like
01:11:52.569 --> 01:11:57.829
really, really, really, really famous. And, you
01:11:57.829 --> 01:12:03.470
know, I would say I've probably taught hundreds
01:12:03.470 --> 01:12:06.310
of students who are more attractive than her
01:12:06.310 --> 01:12:13.529
in real life, except she's that person who lucked
01:12:13.529 --> 01:12:16.229
into this career. Okay. I mean, I'm not, and
01:12:16.229 --> 01:12:18.649
she's very pretty and she's wonderful and all
01:12:18.649 --> 01:12:20.029
those, but she's great. There's nothing wrong
01:12:20.029 --> 01:12:25.380
with it. But having said that, now in 2022, as
01:12:25.380 --> 01:12:29.720
we speak, you know, if you decide to do your
01:12:29.720 --> 01:12:34.279
own online Shakespeare productions, if you nail
01:12:34.279 --> 01:12:38.020
a certain correctly, I mean, you could be the
01:12:38.020 --> 01:12:41.340
next Patrick Stewart or, you know, or anybody
01:12:41.340 --> 01:12:43.779
from the Shakespearean, the Royal Shakespearean.
01:12:43.819 --> 01:12:46.289
Yeah. Well, I think that's such a great. kind
01:12:46.289 --> 01:12:49.449
of topic to close with because we hear over and
01:12:49.449 --> 01:12:53.010
over again how toxic social media is and i disagree
01:12:53.010 --> 01:12:56.229
it's all about you know if you turn on fox and
01:12:56.229 --> 01:12:59.810
cnn you're gonna get you know fire hose of shit
01:12:59.810 --> 01:13:03.430
coming at you but if you choose insert whatever
01:13:03.430 --> 01:13:06.369
good outlet would be, then you're going to get
01:13:06.369 --> 01:13:08.170
great information or you're going to get heartwarming
01:13:08.170 --> 01:13:10.390
stories. And it's the same with that. And it
01:13:10.390 --> 01:13:12.909
can be this online generation that we're in now
01:13:12.909 --> 01:13:16.670
can be completely toxic or it can be empowering.
01:13:16.789 --> 01:13:18.890
It's the decisions that you make of where you
01:13:18.890 --> 01:13:24.649
get your content from. Cahill Gibran, he was
01:13:24.649 --> 01:13:28.010
a poet 100 years ago. He actually talks about
01:13:28.010 --> 01:13:33.840
this kind of thing all the time. But Gandhi said
01:13:33.840 --> 01:13:36.920
basically the same things about humanity. You
01:13:36.920 --> 01:13:40.399
know, so much of whether something is good or
01:13:40.399 --> 01:13:45.420
bad is you. You know, it's the you. It's your
01:13:45.420 --> 01:13:47.939
filters. It's how you approach it, you know.
01:13:48.199 --> 01:13:51.779
And that's, you know, I always tell people, you
01:13:51.779 --> 01:13:53.260
know, I used to tell my students this. I go,
01:13:53.359 --> 01:13:55.680
was World War II good or bad? It was a moral
01:13:55.680 --> 01:13:59.000
theology class. And they would always, oh, all
01:13:59.000 --> 01:14:01.899
these people die. Okay, that's good. But my parents
01:14:01.899 --> 01:14:07.239
met at a USO dance. No World War II, no me. And
01:14:07.239 --> 01:14:08.979
somebody else is teaching this class, not nearly
01:14:08.979 --> 01:14:14.119
as well. But so you've got to be very careful
01:14:14.119 --> 01:14:17.060
about what is good, what is bad. It's the old
01:14:17.060 --> 01:14:19.239
we'll see story. Do you know the farmer and the
01:14:19.239 --> 01:14:22.260
son story? I'm not familiar with it, so I'd love
01:14:22.260 --> 01:14:27.020
to hear it. A farmer has a son and a horse. And
01:14:27.020 --> 01:14:28.659
the horse dies and all the neighbors say, how
01:14:28.659 --> 01:14:31.819
bad? And the farmer says, we'll see. So all the
01:14:31.819 --> 01:14:33.680
neighbors get together, buy the farmer a new
01:14:33.680 --> 01:14:37.039
horse. And all the neighbors say, what a good
01:14:37.039 --> 01:14:39.659
thing. And the farmer says, we'll see. The next
01:14:39.659 --> 01:14:42.060
day, the son is trying to teach the horse, you
01:14:42.060 --> 01:14:44.659
know, break the horse. The horse throws the son
01:14:44.659 --> 01:14:47.199
off. The son breaks his leg. The farmer says,
01:14:47.300 --> 01:14:49.979
all the neighbors say, what a bad thing. The
01:14:49.979 --> 01:14:52.279
farmer says, we'll see. The next day, the army
01:14:52.279 --> 01:14:54.800
comes through town, drafts all the young boys,
01:14:54.939 --> 01:14:57.840
except for the boy with the broken leg. They
01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:00.899
all go off to war. They all die. The neighbors
01:15:00.899 --> 01:15:04.119
come around and say, isn't it a good thing that
01:15:04.119 --> 01:15:06.819
your son broke his leg because he didn't die
01:15:06.819 --> 01:15:09.380
in the war? And the father looks up and says,
01:15:09.680 --> 01:15:13.000
we'll see. You know, someone did tell me that
01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:15.119
a few weeks ago. It's fine. I didn't recognize
01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:18.069
it by the name. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's
01:15:18.069 --> 01:15:20.470
what you make of it. Is social media a good thing
01:15:20.470 --> 01:15:24.130
or a bad thing? We'll see. But in my case, it's
01:15:24.130 --> 01:15:26.789
been wonderful. I mean, I'm, I'm just this, you
01:15:26.789 --> 01:15:29.510
know, I'm just this guy who coached people and
01:15:29.510 --> 01:15:32.369
help people. And because of Chris Sugar speaking
01:15:32.369 --> 01:15:35.609
high, because Charles Staley needed an extra
01:15:35.609 --> 01:15:38.970
speaker. One of my throwers said my name, Charles
01:15:38.970 --> 01:15:41.670
said, I never heard of him. I filled an hour.
01:15:41.729 --> 01:15:44.609
Chris Sugar then said on T Nation that I was,
01:15:44.670 --> 01:15:48.579
if I ever speak, go hear it. Um, a couple of
01:15:48.579 --> 01:15:51.539
weeks later, they lost a keynote at a, uh, at
01:15:51.539 --> 01:15:54.640
a conference down in LA. They saw that they invited
01:15:54.640 --> 01:15:58.079
me. I, so my first workshop in this field was
01:15:58.079 --> 01:16:03.920
25 people. My second one was 600, you know, and
01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:07.760
all of a sudden, how did I become famous? Well,
01:16:07.899 --> 01:16:12.279
because I showed up, I did what I do and, and
01:16:12.279 --> 01:16:15.000
this marvelous thing called the internet. I'm
01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:17.840
just a normal guy. There's thousands of Dan Johns,
01:16:17.979 --> 01:16:21.500
I'm sure of it. But I lucked out, you know, I
01:16:21.500 --> 01:16:24.640
was the person, you know, my sister -in -law
01:16:24.640 --> 01:16:27.899
became a Broadway star because when she auditioned,
01:16:27.899 --> 01:16:30.739
the big name said, that's what I'm thinking.
01:16:30.819 --> 01:16:33.720
And that's why she became a Broadway star. Sometimes,
01:16:33.840 --> 01:16:37.239
and social media allows you to have more of those
01:16:37.239 --> 01:16:38.880
opportunities. So yeah, good or bad, I don't
01:16:38.880 --> 01:16:41.819
know. Well, Dan, I just want to thank you so,
01:16:41.899 --> 01:16:43.600
so much for being so generous with your time.
01:16:43.960 --> 01:16:45.840
gone all over the place. We barely even touched
01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:47.180
on strength and conditioning, which is why I
01:16:47.180 --> 01:16:49.579
love these conversations. Well, let's talk again.
01:16:49.680 --> 01:16:51.619
We'll do that. And I thank you so much. Okay.
