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All right, what's up?
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This is Coach Richardson, and this is Becoming Uncommon.
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And with Becoming Uncommon, we explore what it is to you know be the most successful and most impactful version of yourself.
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We look at and talk to individuals that are leaders in their field and have unique insight to help all of us and lead others in a very uncommon way.
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Just because, you know, my experience is that there's no such thing as a clear path and a perfect world, but we strive to make the most out of every opportunity we have.
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And fortunately enough, we have a mental performance coach with us, uh, Lucinda Snyder.
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And um, Lucinda, do you mind kind of introducing yourself and giving us some of your background?
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Sure.
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Thanks for having me.
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It's awesome.
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Um, so my name's Lucinda Snyder.
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I'm the founder of um a company called Peak Flow.
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And so I'm a mental performance coach that did not have a very linear path to this work.
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Um, and have been doing this work for nine years.
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I left a full-time job four years ago in August to do this work.
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So work predominantly with college um teams and then one-on-one athlete coaching on the side.
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Yeah.
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And so uh about your your your uh, you know, obviously I got some information on your on your website about your background, which I found extremely interesting um having connected with you.
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But do you mind kind of going over your athletic background and kind of your experience growing up within the world of sport?
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Not at all.
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So I grew up um an equestrian.
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So for those of the don't know what that is, that's riding horses and jumping over those fences that were taller, taller than me.
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Um, I started riding at the age of five.
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And, you know, that was the thing that brought me joy.
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Like I was really good at it.
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I wanted to ride in the Olympics, I wanted to compete at a high level and have a had a lot of success and got to be the age of probably 13, 14, um, 15.
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And, you know, the stakes were getting higher.
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Um, the investment financially and time-wise was getting um more and more from my parents' side.
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And there was this voice, right, that started to show up that it was like, you're not good enough.
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Um I started to lack confidence.
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I started to compare myself to other competitors.
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They have a better horse, they have a better trainer, they have more money, right?
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And and so it really wasn't anything to do with my lack of skill.
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Um, there was just this whole mental breakdown that was happening.
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And and I often explain it when your teammate is a 1200-pound animal and they feel everything, that does not make for very good teammate chemistry, right?
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Um, and so that really manifested into fear.
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And I didn't know how to explain it to my parents.
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And they they do what parents do, right?
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We want to solve the problem for our kids.
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I'm I'm guilty of that.
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And, you know, they sent me to a therapist, which I tell my athletes, I said, this is the best thing that you can do for yourself is put yourself in therapy at some point.
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However, I'm old enough that we didn't talk about the mental game at that time.
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And so he couldn't, that's not what I needed.
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I needed someone to help me understand that like that inner voice is quite normal and how to manage it.
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And so, really thinking something was wrong with me, I walked away from a sport that brought me so much joy.
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Um, and that that I that I really believe I could have been successful at had I had the the mental tools and the resiliency and fortitude to to work through that.
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And so, you know, at that point, I confidence doesn't then just reappear, right?
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So those those things play out throughout your life um as you get older and navigate jobs and relationships and school and all of those things.
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Um, so it took me a long time to work through those those beliefs.
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So that's kind of when I look at a linear path, like that's my first kind of like or a non-linear path, that's the first event in that path.
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And like how how old was that when you kind of made that transition?
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So I was um 15, right?
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And so so now we know data wise, right?
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Girls leave sport between the ages of what 13 and probably 16.
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Like it it tracks with the data that we now have about female athletes.
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And so my one of my passions with my young athletes that I work with, um, is to give them those tools so that when they start to question themselves, they realize that there's nothing wrong with them and they're not broken.
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They just need the tools to navigate that.
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Yeah.
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Uh, what was uh going in from like high school, so like high school age, going into college, what were some of your professional aspirations?
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Like, what did you want to study or what did you want to do after high school?
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I had no idea, right?
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So I picked like, and and this is where those like beliefs that we have about ourselves that we get at a very early age start to to manifest themselves, right?
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And so I believed that I wasn't good at math and science based on an experience I had in middle school, right?
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So I picked, I went to Texas AM for undergrad.
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I picked a major based on the least amount of math and science classes I had to take.
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No lie, right?
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So my degrees in political science, um everyone said you would be a great professor, you would be a great teacher.
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And I was like, I don't like to talk in front of people, right?
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Crazy how the world works and your path works.
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But I I got a degree in political science.
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I went to grad school in San Diego, um, got a master's in in international relations, and then got another master's in higher ed administration.
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So worked on college campuses for some time in various offices, whether that was first-year programs, financial aid, um, academic advising.
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So college is kind of my wheelhouse from a professional standpoint.
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I've kind of entered and exited the field a number of times.
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Um, I've learned now that I really was just meant to be an entrepreneur and work for myself, but it took me a while to figure that piece out.
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Um, but it was at that um my last institution I was working at, the University of Rochester, um, where a football coach was just hired um from MIT to come rebuild the program.
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And he was looking for someone to teach yoga um and kind of mindfulness to his to his guys.
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And a colleague connect us, connected us, and I said yes.
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And I will tell you, when I stood on that football field and they were all like three times my size, and I was like, oh goodness, what did I just get myself into?
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Um and it was awkward and it was uncomfortable, and they laughed, and then all of a sudden, this magic happened.
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They got really still, they got really quiet.
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Um, and I could literally just feel their their bodies settle, and I was like, hmm, this is like I want more of this.
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And so really began to figure out a way how to make that a career.
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So, what I say is I started collecting teams and I just taught, taught yoga, taught them mindfulness, taught them how to be present, and then the best thing that happened was COVID because I started working from home and I could I could really dive into like the mental performance.
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And I was like, what if we take those kind of traditional sports psych ideas and run them through this lens of mindfulness and presence?
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And that's that's where I started to cultivate like this is what I want to do.
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Wow, you know, I I mean for me, I connected this dot, and you probably did a long time ago.
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And I don't know, I would love your insight on this because and I'll preface it by saying we did a like um a facilitator leadership workshop in Lexington, and that's where all the horses are.
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And that's where I started riding was Lexington.
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So okay, so you know it's yeah, I yeah, I learned so much about because there was um you know a good population of like equestion, like the US equestrian team, and and you know, leadership was there and part of their coaching and training um certification people like you know, they had some amazing people.
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I I learned so much about but what I'm using that to now kind of connect the dots, at least for me, your intuitiveness seems like it comes from the horses because one thing I learned is that those horses, when it like you you mentioned it earlier, the feelings that they have and like the level of sensitivity that they have for the person that when you're around them, like they they spoke at length about that that connection and how it's just intuitive.
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And it seems like just initially, you bring that kind of like that level of intuition from the you know your question background to working with people in in the mindfulness.
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Did you ever I mean at least for I never I have never made that connection?
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I just thought it was my my gift or my superpower.
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So one of my teams, like they call me, I I'd say this lightly, but like they call me the witch doctor because like I I know things, right?
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And they're like, Can you like do some witch magic on the team, you know?
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Um, and I never made that connection to the horses, but you're probably spot on, right?
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Because you could I could have a whole you know conversation with my my ponies and horses, and you know, they knew exactly, right?
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They know when you're sad, they know when you're upset, they know when you're afraid, right?
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Yeah, that's wild.
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I love that.
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I love that.
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That's cool.
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Yeah, like I that just um because I think it's so important.
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And one of the things that I'm kind of my little my little, I guess, uh kick these days is is intuition.
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Like I think that's like a lost art.
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And uh and it's so powerful, and being able to just have that, like I think emotional intelligence was the conversation maybe five, six years ago.
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Yeah, and I think people kind of kind of got the concept of it.
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But now taking it even further, like your intuition and being able to cultivate it, like learn how to trust it, learn how to build it and deepen it and within relationships and interactions.
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And so um, that's why I was my my ear was real sensitive to when you kind of played that, you know, those uh two things together.
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So yeah, um, that's exciting.
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Uh one thing I wanted to kind of get into as well is like, where do you get some of your influences and um what kind of allows you or puts you in a position to like maybe like your mentors, or what are some of the things uh you know reflect on your background that you bring to the table today when you work with athletes and teams?
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Yeah, so I think um I'm I'm a I'm a nerd, like and and lover of of learning.
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And so like the amount of books, like if you could see my space, there's like books everywhere.
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So I'm constantly like learning and reading and and trying to stay um kind of up to date in in the space of mental performance.
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And and I really like that that blend, I think, of you know, I teach yoga, I've practiced yoga for you know 15 something years.
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I so I I teach regularly, I teach meditation regularly, and I think those practices help me I cultivate that that intuition um into and being able to hold space for athletes.
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Um, you know, I had an athlete call yesterday where she's pretty sure she just tore her ACL, you know, and we're a month before the season.
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And it was like there's nothing I can say to make that better, right?
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Like just holding the space for her to be able to be mad, to cry, to kind of not know what to feel, to spin out.
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And we just talked about really being where her feet are.
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And I think that practice in my own life, um, in in I came to that practice through the the loss of my son um after open heart surgery.
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And so that was kind of my healing.
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Um in and so I had I had to learn how to move through it.
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I think the other the other pieces, the the mental skills that I teach, like I practice every single day, you know.
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Like my 16-year-old is getting ready to drive.
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You don't think I'm like doing all of those skills as we get in the car to practice drive, you know, like I use them all the time.
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Um, and I I think with athletes, like we're teaching in them the skills in the context of track or soccer or hockey, but you and I know they're bigger than that, like they're life skills.
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Um I have done a number of like masterminds with people that are in the space.
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So I'm constantly learning.
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I'm even thinking about going and getting another master's in in kind of sports performance just to have it, just to learn.
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Yeah, I love it.
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Yeah, lifetime learner.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, and that's you know, it's funny because I I feel that the individuals that we work with, they can tell if we're if an individual that they're working with is like stuck in their ways, like they're kind of their feet are kind of just dug in, or are they trying to expand and grow themselves?
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I think like people now, because of the such of the abundance of information, I think they can feel that.
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They can feel like are you stuck or are you like willing to broaden and do you have that capacity to kind of see outside of your traditional lens?
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So um, yeah, that's cool.
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That's that's I I I relate to that.
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I think the other thing too is I'm very fortunate in that the teams that I work with, I work with year after year.
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Um, and so that football team that I first started with, like I'm going on season nine this year with them.
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So, so I cannot go in and do the same thing every single time, right?
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So it doesn't work, right?
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They tune you out.
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And I and I hear that about other people in the field.
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They're like, yeah, they're great, but like once I heard their spiel the first time through, and now it's just something we have to check off.
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And like, you know, this my team that started this week, you know, they were, I was like, you guys, you think you know what I'm gonna do, but you you don't.
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Like you, you seniors, this is year four with me.
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Like, it's we're gonna talk about the same ideas, particularly in preseason of identity and culture and and where we want to be and what do we value.
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But how we do that and the language I use is gonna be completely different, which forces me to continue to grow and think about these things and be different if I want to stay connected to them.
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Because at the end of the day, I have to help like the goal is to win, right?
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Like that's that's the goal.
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We all want we all want those championships.
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I'm no different.
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So um that forces me to constantly be trying to be better.
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How do you tailor your approach with different sports?
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Because it seems like, yeah, you do kind of have a very broad, you know, I guess, uh, clientele or you know, you know, um sports that you work with.
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How do you differentiate your do you do you cater to the different sports or what is your approach there?
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So I think, you know, the concepts are the concepts.
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Um the the skills aren't gonna change.
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I think the way in which I I talk about them are different um and relate them to each sport.
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Now, thankfully I'm a sports kind of nerd and can like watch all the sports on TV all of the time.
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Um, I think that's from growing up in Texas.
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So some of it I have a lot of language, but like I had a softball team for the first time this year and like I had to learn, you know, but but I go, one of the things that I do is I go to a lot of games, right?
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I I watch their performances, I have conversations with coaches.
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So it's a real partnership between the team and coaches, and and a coach described it perfectly, like that role is like I'm the bridge between them.
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You know, so sometimes I have to tell athletes things they don't want to hear about their coaches, and sometimes I have to hear tell coaches some, you know, things they don't want to hear about what the team is saying.
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So that we're really all like in this really beautiful ecosystem working together.
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Um, and sometimes I'm like, okay, I don't I don't know about the softball, so you got to explain this part to me so I can figure it out, right?
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And then this year I found myself like obsessed with the college world series, the softball college world series, you know.
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Like I've never really paid attention before, but I got really dialed in.
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I was like, okay, I know what's happening, you know?
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So I think they, I'm not afraid to say, like, I don't know this sport, help me learn it.
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And then they feel empowered to share because I'm being vulnerable.
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Like, I believe that vulnerability creates magic in the team.
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And so if I want them to be vulnerable with each other and me, I have to be willing to do that.
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So I'll be like, I don't, I don't understand what a rise ball is.
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Can you please explain it to me?
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You know, and then they do, and then they they feel, you know, like, oh, okay, it's okay to say you don't know something.
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It doesn't mean I'm less invested.
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Yeah, for sure.
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I I mean, before I go too deep into that, I kind of do want to touch on um, because you brought it up, being an entrepreneur, like was that something that came natural to you?
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Uh, you know, because for me, because it seems like obviously having your higher education background and kind of that was like your wheelhouse, and stepping into entrepreneurship, uh, what what was that like?
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Where do you get your influences?
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Uh, just speak on that because I think entrepreneurship is at all-time high and is much more widely accepted now as it relates to a career path.
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But now it's very lucrative and people see the value in it.
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But yeah, what it what was your path to entrepreneurship?
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Yeah, it was so if I if I look back, if I kind of zoom out, it's it's like there's a five, there's like I could work for somebody for about five years and then I would start to get bored and I would need something, right?
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And so um that was usually like my exit, my exit point.
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And I think um this is my third kind of entrepreneur um adventure.
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And I think I I don't have it figured out, but it's definitely sticking, like it's definitely working.
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Um I think before it was more like sales type of like of a product, like a brick and mortar.
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Like so um I had I was very creative, and so like I owned a knitting shop, you know.
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So like after kind of 9-11, I'm really dating myself.
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I I started, I taught myself how to knit, right?
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And so a colleague and I were like, oh, let's open a knitting store.
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That sounds so romantic, that sounds so fun, right?
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Yeah, that it was a grind, like I didn't make any money, you know.
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Um, and then part of that grief his that grief piece with my son was teaching myself how to sew.
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And so then I started designing fabric and then I wholesaled bags, and so I I did a lot of shows when my son, my 16-year-old was young.
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And then when he was in second grade, it's like, okay, it's time for me to go back to work, right?
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And then then about five years in financial aid, I was like, yeah, I can't do this anymore.
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This opportunity, you know, and I think all of those pieces led me to write to where I am now.
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Um, and it was finding that that calling, right?
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Of just knowing what you're supposed to do.
00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:11.119
And so it's interesting because my my both of my younger brothers also all work for themselves for themselves.
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And we are from my father is a fourth generation medical doctor, and none of his children wanted to go into medicine.
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And so my parents are like, well, we don't really understand what you all do and how you all live.
00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:30.480
Like they don't really get it, but I think it's really interesting that none of us work for someone.
00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:43.200
And and my brother has he and his wife have a PhD and they they taught and they sold everything, moved to Alaska and opened like uh or moved to from Alaska to Florida and opened a bodega in St.
00:21:43.359 --> 00:21:44.240
Augustine, right?
00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:52.240
Like, so we I for whatever reason, we are we are okay taking risks and being like, this is what we're called to do.
00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:53.279
Wow.
00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:55.440
So yeah, that's yeah, that's cool.
00:21:55.920 --> 00:21:59.759
Yeah, because I think yeah, a lot of a lot of people don't realize like when it comes, like I think.
00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:03.119
You touched on a couple things, like risk for sure.
00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:07.839
Like entrepreneurship is risky, but at the same time, it's fluid.
00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:16.960
Like you you I don't think there's a better way to live your life than to like if you have something in your heart that just to go go after it.
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And you'll see what happens.
00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:25.279
Like because I see so many people um almost talk themselves out of those things that are in their heart.
00:22:25.359 --> 00:22:28.319
They go, too long, or it'll be too hard.
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And I don't know how to do that exactly.
00:22:30.880 --> 00:22:33.359
And what ends up happening is that they do nothing.
00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:37.759
And uh, yeah, so you lose that sense of adventure.
00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:40.720
Yeah, and it's not unlike an athlete experience.
00:22:40.799 --> 00:22:48.880
Like I have to, I have to have a structure and a discipline and a routine, and like the the payoff is not immediate.
00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:53.599
You know, sometimes I think athletes are like, Yeah, but look at this person, they had all this success.
00:22:54.000 --> 00:23:00.720
No, they worked really hard and they did a lot behind the scenes and what wasn't required, and they were obsessed with process.
00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:02.559
The same thing in entrepreneurship.
00:23:02.720 --> 00:23:06.880
You see something on social media and you think they're an overnight sensation, but they're not.
00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:09.599
They put in all of this work and it's the process.
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And like I have a bracelet that says process on it.
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Like, I have like am obsessed with the process of being good at my craft, the same way an athlete is.
00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:20.880
Yeah, no, I love it.
00:23:21.039 --> 00:23:35.359
Because uh the funny thing is, I, you know, obviously we're on different sides of the country, and um, you know, you through social media, I was able to find you and you know, following your content and uh everything that you're sharing.
00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:44.160
Um another thing that stood out to me is uh, you know, I'm I'm a track and field person, so that's like my wheelhouse, right?
00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:44.480
Yeah.
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So I think about like the level of individualization and you know, mastering the self, and you you articulate it very well.
00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:57.359
You do a great job of kind of taking that approach.
00:23:57.519 --> 00:24:06.160
Um, what is some of your I guess differences when when it comes for you working with individual sports versus team sports?
00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:15.599
Yeah, and I think track is one of track and swim are like they're unique in that it's an individual sport, but it's also team, right?
00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:27.119
So there's this kind of like there's a team, but then your performance is individual, and your your your performance also impacts the overall team standing, right?
00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:51.279
Yeah, um, and I think it's it, I think so much of it is about self-awareness, like the mental stuff, it's it's about awareness, and and the better I can help an athlete understand themselves and why they do things and why they think things and their beliefs, the actual skill and the practice you put in place is simple.
00:24:51.599 --> 00:25:05.680
I mean, but it doesn't mean anything if you don't have that self-awareness of like, hey, I'm in my head and my inner critic is really loud, and when that shows up, I get tense, and then that impacts my performance.
00:25:05.839 --> 00:25:09.759
Well, once you have that awareness, then we can change the behavior.
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So I think even on a team, there's a lot of when I work with a team, there's a lot of individual reflection and journaling and paired sharing so that they're not only learning about themselves, but each other, because then there's that chemistry to help them collectively.
00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:49.680
But for me, it all starts with that that knowledge of self-like all the tools in the world mean nothing if you don't know when you're not present or anxious or spinning out, spiraling is they they always tell me, I'm spiraling.
00:25:50.079 --> 00:25:53.680
Like I know what spiraling is, I know, and and here's how I know, right?
00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:59.119
And I do think a lot of that, again, the intuitiveness and then my own yoga practice has helped me.
00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:02.799
Like I'm very in tune to to what's happening in my body.
00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:05.039
So do and athletes are not.
00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:05.839
Oh, yeah.
00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:07.839
Well, that's yeah, that's that's what I was getting to.
00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:15.920
So yeah, um, do you work uh I mean virtually primarily, or is a lot of your stuff in person?
00:26:16.880 --> 00:26:21.039
So my teams predominantly are in person.
00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:27.200
I I I live in the in the part of the world where there's a lot of colleges nearby, which is great.
00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:29.440
But I do have teams virtually.
00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:40.319
Um, I picked up a team for this fall in Minnesota, so I'll fly in a couple of times to do in person because I just think it's more impactful, and then we'll go on Zoom.
00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:45.200
All of my one-on-one clients are we meet on Zoom or FaceTime.
00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:51.839
Yeah, and what so what is like a what can someone expect from a typical session with you?
00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:53.359
One-on-one or team?
00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:54.880
Yeah, well, one-on-one, yeah.
00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:56.960
So I ask a lot of questions.
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I ask a lot of questions.
00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:02.799
Um and really it's a conversation, right?
00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:11.920
It's it's a conversation to help them um get to know themselves and and what happens during a performance.
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:22.400
I think what what works is because we're not sitting in an office and it doesn't seem like like something's wrong, right?
00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:24.000
Like you're going to the doctor.
00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:29.359
Um I tell my my young ones, I'm like, what's your favorite your Starbucks drink?
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And they're like, strawberry acai refresher.
00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:36.720
I'm like, okay, so we're we're hanging out at Starbucks.
00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:37.759
You're on FaceTime.
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I I've got my coffee, you've got your refresher, like we're having a conversation.
00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:56.559
Um and and then there's a I have an athlete portal built out for my one-on-one clients that has videos that actually teach the skill of so I have six pillars in my program, seven pillars in my program.
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And so teaches the skill.
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And so I'll say, I want you to watch these before our next meeting.
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:08.160
And then we're gonna talk about if it's body awareness is the pillar, we're gonna talk about how does that show up in your soccer game, right?
00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:10.160
And then we'll talk through that.
00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:18.400
And then so in that portal, there's videos, there's also meditations, visualization, breath work, and then resources like journal prompts.
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:21.839
I have I'm working on an athlete journal of like tying all that together.
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And then I'll give them homework.
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Like I want you to track these things.
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Like when you make a mistake, what is your first thought?
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What is your body?
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What do you feel in your body?
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So then we can begin to dive into what's really happening.
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:33.519
Yeah.
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And then they have access to me via text.
00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:41.839
So whenever something goes well or goes goes wrong, we're talking about it in real time.
00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:46.960
Because what I feel like athletes do is they, okay, I had a bad performance.
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I'm gonna shut it down.
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And if you have to wait a week to talk to me, you're gonna have moved on from it.
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:53.440
And we're not fixing anything.
00:28:53.599 --> 00:29:13.200
So if you can call, if you can text me um as soon as something happens and we can talk about it, like in between races or in between games, we'll try something new so that you begin to see that immediate gain and we begin to change that brain chemistry.
00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:14.160
Oh wow.
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:17.839
Yeah, my yeah, my mind's got a million miles per hour.
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:20.559
Yeah, it's a lot.
00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:25.119
My the amount of athletes and all the teams I work with have access to me one-on-one.
00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:44.160
And and that works, I think, because yes, a lot of colleges have sports tech people on staff, but but I think the magic is I'm not connected to the university, I'm not connected to scholarship playing time, I'm not reporting back to coaches unless there's something that they really need to know about, and the athletes gonna know I'm gonna do that.
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:48.400
So yeah, it's frightening to think of who has my cell phone number.
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:49.839
Don't think about it.
00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:51.599
No, just don't think about it.
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:52.799
Oh, yeah, that's right.
00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:53.119
That's right.
00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:54.319
I'll just get totally overwhelmed.
00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:56.400
Yeah, yeah, just lock the phone away.
00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:02.319
Um, what I I want to hear, I guess, on that standpoint, like um some success stories, like for you.
00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:14.960
What are I guess some general, you know, I guess uh stories that like you took this athlete in and you've seen like the most growth, or where you've learned a lot about yourself, you know, working with those individuals.
00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:31.839
Anything stand out to you like that or like those yeah, I mean, I think there's I think the the one that the one that comes to mind right now is um she she was a high-level soccer player.
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She was eighth, eighth grade last year, and and I started working with her kind of in a team setting, and then she became a one-on-one client.
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:47.359
And and in a team setting, she was um kind of a typical like 12, 13-year-old girl.
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Like, I'm like, I don't understand you all in a large conglomerate.
00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:52.559
Like, we're good one-on-one and a large group.
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I I don't really enjoy them.
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:56.880
Um, and they know that, right?
00:30:57.119 --> 00:31:02.400
But one-on-one, and I was like, oh, you're I didn't know how it was gonna go, right?
00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:07.839
I because she was really kind of silly and goofy, and I was like, uh, I don't know, but we'll try this.
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:25.920
I've been with her over a year now, and so she as an eighth grader developed her confidence that she could she tried out for varsity as an eighth grader, made it, was a huge piece of their success.
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:29.200
That team went to states for the first time ever.
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Um, and she was a huge contributor.
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:52.640
And to watch her confidence go from like, I don't know if I can do this, to I'm playing with seniors who are gonna play in college and and hold my own and and own my space on the field was so fun to watch.
00:31:52.720 --> 00:32:05.759
And her mom's like, she would have never even thought about trying out, much less continued to like show up so that the coach had nothing, he had no other choice but to put her on varsity, like he had to.
00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:10.079
Um another one again, soccer.
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:22.400
Um if I she got really anxious before games and like so much so that she couldn't, didn't want to play, didn't want to go to the field.
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:25.680
If I could get her to the field, we were good.
00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:36.160
So I spent many Saturday mornings talking to her and dad to get her from hotel room to the field so that she could play.
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:50.640
And just just being just this constant voice of like being present, breathing, being the moment, like reminding her of what she had done, reminding her of fact and evidence and data.
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.680
And now she's to the point where we've taken a break.
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:59.119
She worked with me for about nine months, so we've taken a break and she's she's like thriving.
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:10.000
I mean, for me, that was that was huge because I was like, I I just again intuitively, I was like, it's not it's not like an anxiety like where she needs a med.
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:14.400
She just got in her head and didn't like feeling nervous.
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:17.759
But if I could get her out of the room, we were good.
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:19.920
And then she could play.
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:20.799
Yeah.
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:29.599
And one thing that I see, it's a lot of times it's not so much the athlete, it is the support system.
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:34.960
And how do you work with or collaborate with parents?
00:33:35.519 --> 00:34:01.119
Yeah, and or coaches, you know, those those very influential stakeholders that do need to buy into having you as a resource and being able to, because sometimes also what's in the best athlete of the or what's in the best interest of the athlete might not coincide with the expectations or perceptions from parents or coaches.
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:08.159
So, how have you dealt with that or like what's your philosophy in you know uh managing that collaboration?
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:11.679
Yeah, so I think in terms of I'll speak about coaches first.
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:24.159
I think coaches who um who want to support their athletes in this space will hire me and they're open to what like I'm part of the coaching staff.
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:25.679
They see me in that way.
00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:33.280
Coaches who probably need somebody like me are never gonna hire somebody like me because they don't want somebody like me talking to their athletes.
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:35.039
And that's just the reality of it.
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:37.679
And that's like, fine, I am not for you, right?
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:44.639
Like, like I am on sidelines, I'm in locker rooms, I'm like, I'm there and I'm in it.
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:50.880
And so those coaches, we are in constant communication.
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:55.599
Um, before sessions, after sessions, before games, after games, what are you seeing?
00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:56.559
What are you hearing?
00:34:56.719 --> 00:34:58.000
What are you what are you feeling?
00:34:58.159 --> 00:34:58.400
Right.
00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:13.599
I'm and and I think with this generation of athlete, and I feel so old when I say that, but like I'm spending just as much time working with coaches as I am with the athletes and helping make that bridge.
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:19.280
So the ones that don't want it, they don't enter my circle, even though they may need it.
00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:22.320
Parents are tricky, right?
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:28.639
Because look, you you don't you don't want to be told how to parent your kid.
00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:39.760
Um, but I do think they're open to supporting their athletes and their daughters to be the bus version.
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:46.079
And so I often will try to help the athlete be able to express that.
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:52.800
Like, hey, hey, mom, dad, like I don't want to talk about the game on the ride home.
00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:54.639
Can you give me right?
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:57.440
I want to empower them to advocate for themselves.
00:35:57.679 --> 00:35:58.239
That's huge.
00:35:58.320 --> 00:35:58.800
That's cool.
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:02.639
And so sometimes we practice that conversation, you know.
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:09.039
Um, and if I have to, you know, I'll say, Do you want me to talk to mom and dad?
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:11.440
And they will say yes or no.
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:13.119
And then I I will have that conversation.
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:30.079
But but I really stress with them, like, I'm not gonna pick up the phone and say, Hey, guess what, you know, Susie said to me today in our session, like that is sacred space, unless I feel like there's a reason, as in their like mental health concern.
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:41.760
Um, and they all understand that, but I really want them to be able to say it versus feeling like they can't say that to their parent.
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:43.360
Yeah, that's tough.
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:44.480
Yeah, it's hard.
00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:44.880
It's hard.
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:46.639
What about like expectations?
00:36:46.800 --> 00:37:03.280
Because I think um that's the one I've and it's so tough because very seldom do I see uh consistency with what the athletes' expectations for themselves or what their desires are and what the parents is.
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:07.519
So sometimes like it's it's hardly ever like they're both on the same page.
00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:13.280
And maybe it takes a long time, but early, like early high school, middle school, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:16.559
And I see parents get frustrated.
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:25.199
I see athletes get frustrated just because there is that dissonance between those ex those levels of expectation for what sport is to them.
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:26.320
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:30.239
And I think at the end of the day, it's about the athlete.
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:31.039
Yeah, right.
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:31.599
Right.
00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:43.920
And if it if they can go in and own their space and stand in their power and stand in their confidence, it doesn't matter what mom, teammate, coach, dad thinks, they know what they can do.
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:57.360
Um, and I think the create this crazy world of college athletics right now, like it it makes expectations like really out of whack when we're talking dollars and NIL and scholarships.
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:04.480
And you and I know that that like that's probably the exception more than the rule.
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:07.039
Yeah, that's not everybody's experience.
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:09.519
It's not every it's not everybody's experience, right?
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:15.760
And and and you know, I I chuckle when someone says that their eight-year-old is an elite athlete.
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:17.679
I'm like, okay, really?
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:18.320
Are they?
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:20.639
Yeah, they don't even have real bones yet, you know.
00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:28.719
You know, like like is it really a mental performance issue, or is it really that they're just eight and they need to go play and like be a kid, you know?
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:34.480
And I tell a mom, like she the other day, she's like, you know, she just needs to be more motivated to train at home.
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:41.840
And I'm like, it's summer, like yeah, let her rest, it's hot, like she plays year-round, like let her be a kid.
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:42.960
She'll love him.
00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:45.920
She'll grow more if she sleeps, you know, that kind of old adage, right?
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:47.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:38:48.000 --> 00:39:01.280
Um, I was gonna want to get into a little bit more because I like I said before, I love your perspective on the gender differences when it comes to your approach with mental performance coaching.
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:14.559
Um can you elaborate on that and kind of share what your you know, um, I guess, approaches and philosophy when it comes to working with like team male or female sports and individual male and female sports?
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:27.519
Yeah, I think that um I think there are as females, like there's just differences in how we process things.
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:33.760
Like, I'm all like we are equal, but we are different, right?
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:41.519
And and so I think helping them understand that that's not a flaw, right?
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:48.719
Like my inner voice is very different than my football and hockey, male football and hockey players' inner voice.
00:39:50.400 --> 00:40:06.320
But I also know and try to create a space where they can recognize that and have that awareness that having an inner voice that talks negatively to you does not make you less masculine.
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:17.920
So it it's interesting in that my up my approach, if I work with like teams, male or female, I don't really shift it.
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:24.320
Which is why I think in some ways I've had success with male teams.
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:28.719
Um, because I'm asking them to be vulnerable and to share.
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:36.400
And yeah, they might get uncomfortable and squirm, but as I tell them I'm okay with silence, I teach yoga, like I can sit here all day and be quiet.
00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:38.000
Like it's fine.
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:50.400
Um, and and like some of my hockey players have played pro and I still have taught, like, they have the same fears that my female athletes have when they go to the next level.
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:53.840
It's just how we talk about them is different.
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:54.880
Yeah.
00:40:55.119 --> 00:41:05.440
Um, from your experience, what are some things that you feel like resonate um maybe more with your female athletes compared to your male athletes?
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:08.320
Yeah, so we talk about the mean girl voice a lot.
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:12.079
So it's like the mean girl voice, right?
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:18.000
So like I call it with my male athletes, I call it like the inner critic.
00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:19.760
Like they can wrap their head around that.
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:21.360
They don't know what a mean girl is.
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:24.239
But my my female athletes, they know what a mean girl is.
00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:32.079
And I'm like, that's the voice that tells me I'm not good enough, I should be better, I shouldn't be on the team, I'm gonna get cut, coach hates me, right?
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:32.960
That voice.
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:34.480
And they're like, oh yeah.
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:43.199
So so talking because I understand that and I have it, being able to talk to it and talk to them in a way that they get it.
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:45.360
It's like, oh, okay.
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:48.159
There's nothing wrong with you.
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:54.320
It exists for the same reason for male and female athletes, but the lens which we talk about it is going to be very different.
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:57.760
Like we're talking about it on a feeling level with my males.
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:01.119
It's like this is part of your brain that's designed to keep you safe.
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:03.119
It doesn't care if you win or lose.
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:05.360
So, how do you manage that voice?
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:08.239
Like, that voice is there to protect you.
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:16.000
We don't want it to go away, but you can cohabitate with it and not let it take over your performance.
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:17.119
Wow.
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:18.719
Yeah, that's cool.
00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:19.760
The mean girl voice.
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:20.639
The mean girl.
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:22.239
They're like, oh yeah, we know that voice.
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:24.159
And I'm like, yeah, everybody knows a mean girl.
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:25.440
Like, do you do you name it?
00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:27.679
Do you say give your mean girl voice in there?
00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:29.679
Yes, and sometimes I do.
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:40.559
And it's interesting because they they all laugh about that because but what I tell them, I'm like, I know it's really silly, but it creates space between you and your voice because you are not that voice, right?
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:49.840
That's that voice that's there to like, oh, I don't want my human to get embarrassed or feel sad or right, it's protection.
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:55.360
But if you can create some space, I'm like, go get a job, go tell it to sit in the stands of mom, you know.
00:42:55.599 --> 00:43:00.719
Sometimes they name the voice their parents, which I think is highly highly entertaining.
00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:04.719
I'm like, okay, that just gave me a whole lot of insight into your family dynamics.
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:11.039
But it but it it makes it lighter so that it's like there's nothing wrong with you.
00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:20.559
This is part of the human experience, and you can let that voice drive everything you do, or you can be like, no, you know what, I got this.
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:25.039
But like those thoughts are not like thoughts aren't facts.
00:43:26.559 --> 00:43:33.920
And then we talk about giving them data and evidence because that voice in your brain can't argue with that, yeah.
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:40.880
Like, you know, um if you've done it, it can't say, well, no, you haven't.
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:54.800
Well, one of the things I noticed, like working with like high performing male or female, one thing that or at least I'm still kind of on, I'm still trying to figure it out and trying to give it like a little bit of a framework.
00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:59.760
But my male athletes really respond to emotion when coaching, especially like high intense.
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:01.440
Moments and things like that.
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:09.039
And my female athletes respond more to like logic and like making sure that they understand what you talk about process.
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:19.519
Like if they have a level of confidence about what is actually happening or what the level of execution is or the technical components, they can like have a grasp on it.
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:23.360
They they can step into any, you know, any ring.
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:24.880
Um, I don't know.
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:30.880
Does that does that um how is that, you know, I guess correlate to some of your approaches or experiences?
00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:32.960
Yeah, I think you're spot on, right?
00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:36.880
Like they want to know, they want to know why, right?
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:43.679
And and and it's interesting because a lot of times a male, particularly I think male coaches, right?
00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:46.960
I think they will they can have very loud voices.
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:47.920
I do with my husband.
00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:51.039
My husband is this big kind of burly guy with a loud voice.
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:52.159
And I'm like, why are you yelling?
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:53.760
He's like, Lusanda, I'm not yelling.
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:55.840
We've been married 20 years, I just talk loud.
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:58.239
I'm like, but that's triggering my nervous system.
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:05.199
So I think for a lot of female athletes, we associate that loudness with yelling and being in trouble.
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:09.199
And like, it makes me think of my dad, and I'm in trouble when you talk that loud.
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:22.239
And so I think coaches like helping coaches understand that, and then and then helping athletes like he has to have a loud voice because you're on the other side of a field and you can't hear him, right?
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:29.519
But but helping them, like the emotion, they don't, it takes them somewhere else and they shut down.
00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:35.519
And so I think your point of like they want to know why, they want to know logic, they want to know process.
00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:39.440
When they understand that, they're good, right?
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:44.400
They also want feedback, good and bad.
00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:48.800
Although I think sometimes they only want the good feedback and not the bad feedback.
00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:53.760
And so they say they want it until they get it, and then they don't like the way it's delivered.
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:56.239
And so, like, that's like that's not about you.
00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:57.360
That's like take them.
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:01.599
I I'm often saying take the emotion out of it and look at the words that were said, right?
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:08.719
Males can can like get somebody yelling in their face and thinking like football or hockey, like they're fine with that.
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:14.639
And if they don't get that, that's when they spiral.
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:26.079
Like, I have a hockey player that didn't get that, didn't get information, and that made him like, what am I doing wrong?
00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:27.760
Where am I failing?
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:32.079
Like they filled in the gaps, or they made up stories, right?
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:35.599
Like, I'm not good enough, or you know.
00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:37.039
Hmm.
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:47.599
So what like uh I well, at least I I have a when I first started coaching, it was a small division one in Arkansas, and I said, you know what?
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:48.639
I'm gonna give feedback.
00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:51.440
I'm gonna do an end of the year review, and I'm gonna send it.
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:53.440
I'm gonna send it in an email.
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:55.599
Oh, how'd that go?
00:46:56.079 --> 00:46:59.679
Yeah, I wasn't done with um grad school at the time, I don't think.
00:46:59.920 --> 00:47:16.320
So uh that was that was rough because like yeah, that I learned quickly about direct and indirect messaging and uh yeah, sending my end of the year review via email, like like with no context, was so dumb.
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:17.280
Yeah, yeah.
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:25.599
So yeah, feedback is yeah, how you deliver feedback is uh I learned that very, very early in my coaching career.
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:26.400
So yeah.
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:37.440
And I think having like I encourage, because I know some coaches don't they'll do you know, preseason, end of season check-ins, right?
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:43.599
And maybe that works for some athletes, but some athletes need more touch points, right?
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:45.599
And again, helping them advocate for that.
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:53.280
Like, listen, coach, I need to check in with you every couple weeks just because that's what I need to be my best version of me, right?
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:56.079
I don't need a lot of time, 10, 15 minutes.
00:47:56.639 --> 00:48:08.960
You know, some coaches that I've worked with, like we've started to implement that so that they have every two-week check-ins with every single athlete on the team and they're rotating through just so they can get a pulse on what's going on, right?
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:16.079
Because I think to your point earlier in this conversation, you've been so many places, right?
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:25.679
They come to you at practice with so many, so much other stuff that that coaches think, oh, they're just not performing, they're not giving effort.
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:32.880
Well, it could have nothing to do with sport, it could be class or home or relationship or work, right?
00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:39.360
And my job is to help them understand how to kind of compartmentalize those for the time that they're performing.
00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:41.760
But again, we're human, we don't always do that.
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:46.880
Just like, hey, cut your coach some slack, he's a human too, he's been up all night with a two-year-old, right?
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:49.440
Like, so he's not peppy today, right?
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:54.239
Like it works both ways and helping them understand that.
00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:55.440
Yeah, that's cool.
00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:56.880
I I love I love that.
00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:11.599
Um, what is your future outlook when it comes to not just mental performance training, but you know, as you're working with all these different walks of life for from an athletic standpoint, with it's like youth, high school, and college, what's your future outlook?
00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:18.559
Like, where do you see the world of sport going versus where it's been, like whether it's like pre-COVID or right past COVID?
00:49:18.880 --> 00:49:29.599
You know, because it it seems like um, and I'll I'll share my little quick insight, I was just talking to a buddy of mine, is this the NIL world is making it a little bit more transactional.
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:35.920
So, like that coach-athlete relationship is even um becoming more transactional at the youth stages now.
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:37.679
Like, what can you do for me?
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:45.760
Uh then I think there is a level of disconnect with intuition because information is so abundant.
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:53.199
You know, people can throw things in Chat GPT and watch YouTube and go to YouTube university and just get anything and everything they want.
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:59.360
So information is not the catalyst to understanding anymore.
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:02.960
It's I think how to decipher all the information.
00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:08.719
So I see I see a few different you know paths with you know how that could lint lead out.
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:14.239
But um, I definitely because like I I love the lens in which you look at things.
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:29.280
I, you know, just like I said before, having consumed your your social media and um you know, and some of the other information that you have and resources on your website, but what is what what is your outlook on the future of sport, whether it's like high school youth or college?
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:46.480
I think that um I'm hoping that that people like me become part of everybody's experience and that that that we're moving in that direction.
00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:51.039
I think you know, say what you want about the portal.
00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:53.280
I mean, I think there's good things, I think there's bad things.
00:50:53.440 --> 00:51:01.360
I just also think it teaches athletes of like we're not teaching them to be resilient because I don't like I don't get what I want, so I leave.
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:04.559
Um, I do think the five for five is good.
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:08.400
Like it's gonna force them to commit to some things.
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:11.840
Um and it is it is very transactional.
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:19.760
And I think that's probably the hardest thing about entrepreneurship is I am not transactional, and but I have to be to make a living.
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:24.159
Like, like for me, this is about the relationships with programs and coaches and athletes.
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:39.360
And so um, but I think I think this work needs to start at the middle school, high school, definitely the high school level, and we need to teach them how to be humans.
00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:43.599
If they can be good humans and have these skills, they can be good athletes.
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:58.320
Because when it becomes transactional and solely transactional, and it's solely about their performance, they're not always the best humans, and that's not the best thing for programs.
00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:06.320
And I, being an educator to some extent, still believe like there is student and student athlete.
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:09.840
And I think we've lost that.
00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:27.280
And that makes that makes my like nerd heart very sad, you know, because if you're not uh, you know, if you're if you want to play for the power four, it doesn't it doesn't matter if you're a good student or human.
00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:30.880
Can you perform and what can you do for our university and program?
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:38.079
And I think I think with with some of this five for five, I think we're gonna get back there.
00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:38.960
I hope.
00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:43.519
Or they start to have more people like me come in.
00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:51.199
That's not this sort of like clinical approach to how we teach mental performance, right?
00:52:51.360 --> 00:53:00.400
Yeah, because there are people uh there are schools that have campuses that you know that do come in and they do us, I don't do PowerPoint presentations.
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:19.280
I don't like I show up and I've got sticky notes and pens and whiteboards and you know, like I just I I want them to interact and learn how to be a human and be the best version of themselves, whether they start every single game or they are on the bench the entire time, right?
00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:22.320
They play a role on that team.
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:24.800
Yeah, no, I love it.
00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:34.239
Yeah, because like yeah, I'm I'm I'm constantly am conflicted because it is so changing so much and so and so fast, yeah.
00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:39.840
And I'm like, I used to think I had a pretty good pulse on you know what the next couple years might look like.
00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:42.960
Now I'm I'm your guess as good as mine, kind of thing.
00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:44.639
Like, yeah, this is what I do.
00:53:44.800 --> 00:54:02.719
Like, this is yeah, I'm no, I don't, and I think I think also like remembering that coaches like this is their livelihood, this is your livelihood, this is how you pay your bills, this is how you feed your family, this is how you how you live, and like coaches are humans too, right?
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:09.840
And I think that gets very lost in this transactional world of NIL and athletes.
00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:18.000
Like coaches got into coaching to help athletes be better people and win.
00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:25.599
We've lost that that art of it because it's about the end result.
00:54:26.159 --> 00:54:32.239
Yeah, well, because I get yeah, if somebody wanted to be a millionaire, there's so many other uh there's other ways, yeah.
00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:34.960
There's so many other ways that it's so much more lucrative.
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:38.320
Like yeah, yeah, the heartache, the heartache and coaching.
00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:45.760
I was telling, you know, because with it being a two-year school, we help I have to recruit them and I have to help them get them out, right?
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:46.639
Yeah, yeah.
00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:53.440
And I was telling somebody was like, you know, every coach right now has their has had their heart broken.
00:54:53.519 --> 00:55:02.480
The biggest and baddest college coach out there, all the way down to the smallest one, yeah, has had their heart broken already because they thought they were gonna get somebody and they didn't.
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:04.800
They thought they were gonna keep somebody and they didn't.
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:10.000
So every coach has either won or lost the battle that like definitely for sure lost the battle.
00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:10.800
Oh yeah.
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:18.880
Yeah, like even though there's some winners out there, but they lost somebody and they thought they were gonna get a recruit or they thought they were gonna get a transfer.
00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:21.519
So every coach is kind of going through that heartbreak right now.
00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:23.599
Like, I don't care who you are, where you're from.
00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:24.320
Oh yeah.
00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:27.760
I was trying to shed it, like you said, coaches are humans too.
00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:30.320
Like we all we went through it.
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:32.320
Yeah, we're wounds right now.
00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:34.159
Yeah, and I think they forget that.
00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:37.119
Like they forget that coaches have feelings, right?
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:40.079
Like, no, they're human too, right?
00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:44.000
Like, yeah, and and a t-shirt.
00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:44.400
Yeah.
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:46.480
That's right.
00:55:46.639 --> 00:55:47.360
They do.
00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:48.880
Oh, they do.
00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:50.320
Yeah, that's funny.
00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:54.400
Um, but like I said, I I love your information, your content.
00:55:54.480 --> 00:56:11.599
Um, a couple things I want to get to know um um before I let you go, yeah, is like what what kind of thrust you into the social media component of uh you know your business and like what were you always uh did it all become natural to you?
00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:14.800
Were you always kind of in that sphere?
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:18.559
Uh what led you to it and how was it going?
00:56:18.639 --> 00:56:23.199
And what like what are some of your breakthroughs or kind of epiphanies in your journey?
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:23.760
Yeah.
00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:29.440
So this is where I talked about like being an entrepreneur is like being an athlete and training.
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:37.519
Like I've had to work very hard um to craft the social media piece.
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:46.559
And and it's really only been in the last probably three to four months that I've started to see a shift.
00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:50.000
Um, and and that I'm part of a again, more training.
00:56:50.159 --> 00:57:00.320
I'm part of a training program that helps um actually sports coaches take their knowledge to work with athletes remotely.
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:13.760
And so I'm a little bit of an outlier because it's the mental performance space, but but it's really helped me figure out how to like message and what to say and who to talk to.
00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:20.000
Um and I've had to work at it very hard.
00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:29.119
And I spend a lot of time in this office of mine um with my dogs around me, like working and trying.
00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:36.239
And again, like people see one thing and the work behind it has been like eight years.
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:37.840
Oh wow, yeah.
00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:40.239
Well, you have good, you have really well-behaved dogs.
00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:41.360
I had to go put mine away.
00:57:41.440 --> 00:57:44.960
They were oh well, I have so yeah, they are.
00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:49.519
So I have great pyrenees, which are like big giant, um, right?
00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:51.280
Like they're sheep guardian dogs.
00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:54.320
Um, and so really like they just sleep during the day.
00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:55.199
Oh, cool.
00:57:55.440 --> 00:57:59.760
One is like under one is a puppy that's eight months old, and but he's like 90 pounds.
00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:04.480
He's a he's a beast, he's like to the right of me, and the other one's to the left of me.
00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:08.320
So yeah, they they like to hang out and sleep while I work.
00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:11.599
Oh wow, okay, yeah, they're very well behaved.
00:58:11.679 --> 00:58:12.239
That's pretty cool.
00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:20.800
Yeah, I'll I'll I'll go get a cookie, they'll get a cookie for that because sometimes I get on Zoom and they're like, Oh, pay attention to me, but oh man, it's it's nap time for them.
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:22.159
Yeah, cool, that's good.
00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:23.920
Yeah, um, yeah, that's funny.
00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:29.679
Yeah, because they have the social media thing, I think people like you said, you you have to be a student of the game, and it it doesn't.
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:43.440
And I love that you shared that it was something you had to work on because I think a lot of people, like you mentioned earlier, see the end result of stuff and don't really see the painstaking hours and self-doubt that might go into it.
00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:46.639
You're like, oh, I don't want to do this, but I'll I'm gonna do it anyway.
00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:46.960
Yeah.
00:58:47.679 --> 00:59:00.000
Oh, I just messaged my coach this morning and I said, I think I need a meeting because my social media is not performing the way like I feel, I feel like it's not doing resonating the way it was a month ago.
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:01.119
And he's like, Why?
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:04.000
Like again, coached me back, right?
00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:05.599
Well, why do you think that?
00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:07.039
Why do you feel that way?
00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:08.639
Let's look at the numbers, right?
00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:21.039
And so, even though like we all have that, you know, I'm I always say coaches need coaches, and so I I have a lot of coaches in my corner that's cool that help me talk talk me off my own ledges.
00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:23.440
But I'm like, burn it all down.
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Like they're like, no, let's just look at what's happening, let's look at what's working, let's look at the facts and take your feelings out of it.
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Feelings are not facts, so burn it all down.
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Yeah, burn it all down.
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I've had those moments.
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Oh, yeah.
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So going getting into the business side of things, um, I want to definitely, you know, because uh obviously I downloaded your your guide to because I'm gonna give it to my oldest son plays basketball.
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Oh, yeah.
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And you know, obviously being in basketball, uh uh trying to compete at a high level, it you know, the mental side became real important.
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And um yeah, yeah.
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And so yeah, so I he he's gonna be off to college this year.
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So I'm gonna yeah, he's gonna be being sent off with your your guide to help.
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Oh, I love that.
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I love that.
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Where's he going?
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Yeah, uh Northwest Idaho, uh Nazarene.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So he's gonna go and play basketball up there.
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And so awesome.
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Congrats.
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That's awesome.
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Yeah, it's gonna be fun.
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Yeah, it's gonna be fun.
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Um, but so what can like how can people find you?
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Um, and what are some of the the offerings that you have um from like if somebody wanted to you know get involved with your services?
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Yeah, so uh my website is peakflow.info.
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Um, and so you there's contact forms, there's um just general information about about me.
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I think there's some journal prompt, there's some like freebies and stuff on there.
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So definitely can connect through there.
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Um Instagram, I feel like I spend most of my time and I I just changed my handle um within the last couple of months.
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So it's lucinda.mindset.
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Um I think because people didn't know who I was, and so trying to like put a face with the brand.
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Um in can send me a DM there.
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I'm on TikTok.
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Um that's at Peak Flow, but TikTok is strange to me.
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I'm old.
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Like that's a that's a weird thing.
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I just do it and then I find that like time suck of like, wait, I've been on the TikTok scroll for a while.
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Um, but it those are those are the two um easiest.
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There's contact forms, um, or just email me, which is peakflow rockroc at gmail.com.
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Okay.
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So if yeah, if there's coaches that want to get in touch with you, what are some of those like team opportunities or um, you know, I guess yeah, yeah.
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So so you know, this again is part of that entrepreneurship.
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You know, I thought it was gonna be this very like black and white, like this is what I offer.
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But I think even with um one-on-one athletes, it's like we have a conversation, like, what do you need?
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What do you need for your team?
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I want to know what keeps coaches up at night when they think about their team and their season.
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Um, and then craft a plan and a program that works for them, whether that's all in person, whether it's a hybrid and virtual, whether it's um all virtual.
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So that we're really helping athletes be the best version of themselves.
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And so I don't I am not a believer in like a one and done type of program unless it's like a keynote for like I did a did that and a training for an athletic conference um last year, you know, for their leadership conference.
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Um, but because I because that doesn't do anybody good to come in and drop information and then peace out.
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Like that's not helping anybody be better.
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So it's really um having that conversation and they can reach out via the the email or contact forms on the website, and we get on a call and we have a conversation and see what works for them and what their team needs.
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Hmm.
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All right, awesome.
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It's very collaborative, it's very collaborative and that level of customization and individualized approach is like one, I think gives you the opportunity, like you said, to optimize your effectiveness.
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And I think like that, I for me, that's just a testament to your willingness to try to be as collaborative and as you know, your you're you want to be effective.
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Um yeah, like you know, there's some programs that wanna um, you've seen them like that are more like subscription, that are more like um just automated and you know, um kind of cookie cutter, which you know work and maybe for some people, but this like what you're talking about is like that real human, um, you know, like that depth that I think helps transcend change.
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And like I said, is probably the most and is the most optimal way to deal with the mental performance side of things because again, there's so there's so much information, there's so many tools, so many resources, but the the human condition is something that we have to master on our own.
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And and you know, having somebody support that journey like is is I think a cheat code.
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So um I definitely, you know, um love to see what you're doing, love to see everything that you have going on.
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Um, any words of advice or encouragement for those coaches or athletes that are out there that maybe haven't worked with or heard of a mental performance coach?
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Yeah, I think it's like there's nothing wrong, right?
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Like saying you want to work on mental performance doesn't mean you're broken, it doesn't mean you're flawed, it doesn't mean there's something to fix.
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It's it's it's you wanting to be the best version of you.
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Um, and I don't know any athlete or coach who doesn't want that.
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Um, but it's how we access it.
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And and it's not it's not because you're flawed, it's it's because you're human.
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And and so how do we make you be a better human?
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And and I always say, you know, I can say the same thing that you say to your athletes, and they will take it as like this, oh, like this big revelation, and you're like, I've been saying that to them for like every season.
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That's really frustrating.
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I get that, but I'm I'm not connected, right?
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And so being able to to have that that voice is is really fun um for me.
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And I just lost my oh, I lost my train of thought.
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I don't know.
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It was gonna be something that I looked over and I saw some some championship rings and I was like, wait, what?
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Something about that.
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Like, I mean, it at the end of the day, it is about winning, but we're also human, right?
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Like, and and how do we bring those two things together?
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Because I think if you look at the teams that have success somewhere, there's they haven't lost all of their humanity.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Oh, I love that.
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Haven't lost their humanity.
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And um, yeah, I just wanted to say again, great job.
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Uh, I love what you're doing.
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Thank you.
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Thanks for reaching out.
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You're doing some amazing work, and I look forward to if not connecting, but yeah, following and supporting, you know, all the amazing things that you're doing.
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So I love watching it.
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And um, outside of that, uh, where can um when it comes to athletes, so would you recommend athletes reach out be able to reach out to you or families reach out to you?
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Either one website or or send me a DM on Instagram and we'll have a we'll have a conversation.
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All right.
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Well, thank you all for watching.
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I, you know, when it comes to again becoming on Common Podcast, uh, we have another amazing episode with some great insight and knowledge to kind of help, you know, for all of us kind of take that next step to be the best version of ourselves.
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So um like, subscribe, do all the above.
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But if nothing else, definitely check out uh Lucinda and everything that she's doing with Peak Flow.
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And outside of that, see you next time.
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Thanks.
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All right, what's up?
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This is Coach Richardson, and this is Becoming Uncommon.
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And with Becoming Uncommon, we explore what it is to you know be the most successful and most impactful version of yourself.
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We look at and talk to individuals that are leaders in their field and have unique insight to help all of us and lead others in a very uncommon way.
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Just because, you know, my experience is that there's no such thing as a clear path and a perfect world, but we strive to make the most out of every opportunity we have.
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And fortunately enough, we have a mental performance coach with us, uh, Lucinda Snyder.
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And um, Lucinda, do you mind kind of introducing yourself and giving us some of your background?
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Sure.
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Thanks for having me.
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It's awesome.
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Um, so my name's Lucinda Snyder.
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I'm the founder of um a company called Peak Flow.
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And so I'm a mental performance coach that did not have a very linear path to this work.
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Um, and have been doing this work for nine years.
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I left a full-time job four years ago in August to do this work.
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So work predominantly with college um teams and then one-on-one athlete coaching on the side.
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Yeah.
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And so uh about your your your uh, you know, obviously I got some information on your on your website about your background, which I found extremely interesting um having connected with you.
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But do you mind kind of going over your athletic background and kind of your experience growing up within the world of sport?
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Not at all.
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So I grew up um an equestrian.
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So for those of the don't know what that is, that's riding horses and jumping over those fences that were taller, taller than me.
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Um, I started riding at the age of five.
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And, you know, that was the thing that brought me joy.
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Like I was really good at it.
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I wanted to ride in the Olympics, I wanted to compete at a high level and have a had a lot of success and got to be the age of probably 13, 14, um, 15.
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And, you know, the stakes were getting higher.
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Um, the investment financially and time-wise was getting um more and more from my parents' side.
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And there was this voice, right, that started to show up that it was like, you're not good enough.
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Um I started to lack confidence.
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I started to compare myself to other competitors.
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They have a better horse, they have a better trainer, they have more money, right?
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And and so it really wasn't anything to do with my lack of skill.
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Um, there was just this whole mental breakdown that was happening.
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And and I often explain it when your teammate is a 1200-pound animal and they feel everything, that does not make for very good teammate chemistry, right?
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Um, and so that really manifested into fear.
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And I didn't know how to explain it to my parents.
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And they they do what parents do, right?
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We want to solve the problem for our kids.
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I'm I'm guilty of that.
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And, you know, they sent me to a therapist, which I tell my athletes, I said, this is the best thing that you can do for yourself is put yourself in therapy at some point.
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However, I'm old enough that we didn't talk about the mental game at that time.
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And so he couldn't, that's not what I needed.
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I needed someone to help me understand that like that inner voice is quite normal and how to manage it.
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And so, really thinking something was wrong with me, I walked away from a sport that brought me so much joy.
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Um, and that that I that I really believe I could have been successful at had I had the the mental tools and the resiliency and fortitude to to work through that.
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And so, you know, at that point, I confidence doesn't then just reappear, right?
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So those those things play out throughout your life um as you get older and navigate jobs and relationships and school and all of those things.
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Um, so it took me a long time to work through those those beliefs.
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So that's kind of when I look at a linear path, like that's my first kind of like or a non-linear path, that's the first event in that path.
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And like how how old was that when you kind of made that transition?
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So I was um 15, right?
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And so so now we know data wise, right?
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Girls leave sport between the ages of what 13 and probably 16.
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Like it it tracks with the data that we now have about female athletes.
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And so my one of my passions with my young athletes that I work with, um, is to give them those tools so that when they start to question themselves, they realize that there's nothing wrong with them and they're not broken.
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They just need the tools to navigate that.
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Yeah.
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Uh, what was uh going in from like high school, so like high school age, going into college, what were some of your professional aspirations?
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Like, what did you want to study or what did you want to do after high school?
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I had no idea, right?
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So I picked like, and and this is where those like beliefs that we have about ourselves that we get at a very early age start to to manifest themselves, right?
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And so I believed that I wasn't good at math and science based on an experience I had in middle school, right?
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So I picked, I went to Texas AM for undergrad.
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I picked a major based on the least amount of math and science classes I had to take.
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No lie, right?
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So my degrees in political science, um everyone said you would be a great professor, you would be a great teacher.
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And I was like, I don't like to talk in front of people, right?
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Crazy how the world works and your path works.
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But I I got a degree in political science.
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I went to grad school in San Diego, um, got a master's in in international relations, and then got another master's in higher ed administration.
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So worked on college campuses for some time in various offices, whether that was first-year programs, financial aid, um, academic advising.
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So college is kind of my wheelhouse from a professional standpoint.
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I've kind of entered and exited the field a number of times.
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Um, I've learned now that I really was just meant to be an entrepreneur and work for myself, but it took me a while to figure that piece out.
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Um, but it was at that um my last institution I was working at, the University of Rochester, um, where a football coach was just hired um from MIT to come rebuild the program.
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And he was looking for someone to teach yoga um and kind of mindfulness to his to his guys.
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And a colleague connect us, connected us, and I said yes.
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And I will tell you, when I stood on that football field and they were all like three times my size, and I was like, oh goodness, what did I just get myself into?
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Um and it was awkward and it was uncomfortable, and they laughed, and then all of a sudden, this magic happened.
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They got really still, they got really quiet.
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Um, and I could literally just feel their their bodies settle, and I was like, hmm, this is like I want more of this.
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And so really began to figure out a way how to make that a career.
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So, what I say is I started collecting teams and I just taught, taught yoga, taught them mindfulness, taught them how to be present, and then the best thing that happened was COVID because I started working from home and I could I could really dive into like the mental performance.
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And I was like, what if we take those kind of traditional sports psych ideas and run them through this lens of mindfulness and presence?
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And that's that's where I started to cultivate like this is what I want to do.
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Wow, you know, I I mean for me, I connected this dot, and you probably did a long time ago.
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And I don't know, I would love your insight on this because and I'll preface it by saying we did a like um a facilitator leadership workshop in Lexington, and that's where all the horses are.
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And that's where I started riding was Lexington.
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So okay, so you know it's yeah, I yeah, I learned so much about because there was um you know a good population of like equestion, like the US equestrian team, and and you know, leadership was there and part of their coaching and training um certification people like you know, they had some amazing people.
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I I learned so much about but what I'm using that to now kind of connect the dots, at least for me, your intuitiveness seems like it comes from the horses because one thing I learned is that those horses, when it like you you mentioned it earlier, the feelings that they have and like the level of sensitivity that they have for the person that when you're around them, like they they spoke at length about that that connection and how it's just intuitive.
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And it seems like just initially, you bring that kind of like that level of intuition from the you know your question background to working with people in in the mindfulness.
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Did you ever I mean at least for I never I have never made that connection?
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I just thought it was my my gift or my superpower.
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So one of my teams, like they call me, I I'd say this lightly, but like they call me the witch doctor because like I I know things, right?
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And they're like, Can you like do some witch magic on the team, you know?
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Um, and I never made that connection to the horses, but you're probably spot on, right?
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Because you could I could have a whole you know conversation with my my ponies and horses, and you know, they knew exactly, right?
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They know when you're sad, they know when you're upset, they know when you're afraid, right?
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Yeah, that's wild.
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I love that.
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I love that.
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That's cool.
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Yeah, like I that just um because I think it's so important.
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And one of the things that I'm kind of my little my little, I guess, uh kick these days is is intuition.
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Like I think that's like a lost art.
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And uh and it's so powerful, and being able to just have that, like I think emotional intelligence was the conversation maybe five, six years ago.
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Yeah, and I think people kind of kind of got the concept of it.
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But now taking it even further, like your intuition and being able to cultivate it, like learn how to trust it, learn how to build it and deepen it and within relationships and interactions.
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And so um, that's why I was my my ear was real sensitive to when you kind of played that, you know, those uh two things together.
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So yeah, um, that's exciting.
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Uh one thing I wanted to kind of get into as well is like, where do you get some of your influences and um what kind of allows you or puts you in a position to like maybe like your mentors, or what are some of the things uh you know reflect on your background that you bring to the table today when you work with athletes and teams?
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Yeah, so I think um I'm I'm a I'm a nerd, like and and lover of of learning.
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And so like the amount of books, like if you could see my space, there's like books everywhere.
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So I'm constantly like learning and reading and and trying to stay um kind of up to date in in the space of mental performance.
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And and I really like that that blend, I think, of you know, I teach yoga, I've practiced yoga for you know 15 something years.
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I so I I teach regularly, I teach meditation regularly, and I think those practices help me I cultivate that that intuition um into and being able to hold space for athletes.
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Um, you know, I had an athlete call yesterday where she's pretty sure she just tore her ACL, you know, and we're a month before the season.
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And it was like there's nothing I can say to make that better, right?
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Like just holding the space for her to be able to be mad, to cry, to kind of not know what to feel, to spin out.
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And we just talked about really being where her feet are.
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And I think that practice in my own life, um, in in I came to that practice through the the loss of my son um after open heart surgery.
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And so that was kind of my healing.
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Um in and so I had I had to learn how to move through it.
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I think the other the other pieces, the the mental skills that I teach, like I practice every single day, you know.
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Like my 16-year-old is getting ready to drive.
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You don't think I'm like doing all of those skills as we get in the car to practice drive, you know, like I use them all the time.
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Um, and I I think with athletes, like we're teaching in them the skills in the context of track or soccer or hockey, but you and I know they're bigger than that, like they're life skills.
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Um I have done a number of like masterminds with people that are in the space.
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So I'm constantly learning.
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I'm even thinking about going and getting another master's in in kind of sports performance just to have it, just to learn.
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Yeah, I love it.
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Yeah, lifetime learner.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, and that's you know, it's funny because I I feel that the individuals that we work with, they can tell if we're if an individual that they're working with is like stuck in their ways, like they're kind of their feet are kind of just dug in, or are they trying to expand and grow themselves?
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I think like people now, because of the such of the abundance of information, I think they can feel that.
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They can feel like are you stuck or are you like willing to broaden and do you have that capacity to kind of see outside of your traditional lens?
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So um, yeah, that's cool.
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That's that's I I I relate to that.
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I think the other thing too is I'm very fortunate in that the teams that I work with, I work with year after year.
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Um, and so that football team that I first started with, like I'm going on season nine this year with them.
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So, so I cannot go in and do the same thing every single time, right?
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So it doesn't work, right?
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They tune you out.
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And I and I hear that about other people in the field.
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They're like, yeah, they're great, but like once I heard their spiel the first time through, and now it's just something we have to check off.
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And like, you know, this my team that started this week, you know, they were, I was like, you guys, you think you know what I'm gonna do, but you you don't.
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Like you, you seniors, this is year four with me.
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Like, it's we're gonna talk about the same ideas, particularly in preseason of identity and culture and and where we want to be and what do we value.
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But how we do that and the language I use is gonna be completely different, which forces me to continue to grow and think about these things and be different if I want to stay connected to them.
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Because at the end of the day, I have to help like the goal is to win, right?
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Like that's that's the goal.
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We all want we all want those championships.
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I'm no different.
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So um that forces me to constantly be trying to be better.
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How do you tailor your approach with different sports?
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Because it seems like, yeah, you do kind of have a very broad, you know, I guess, uh, clientele or you know, you know, um sports that you work with.
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How do you differentiate your do you do you cater to the different sports or what is your approach there?
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So I think, you know, the concepts are the concepts.
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Um the the skills aren't gonna change.
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I think the way in which I I talk about them are different um and relate them to each sport.
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Now, thankfully I'm a sports kind of nerd and can like watch all the sports on TV all of the time.
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Um, I think that's from growing up in Texas.
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So some of it I have a lot of language, but like I had a softball team for the first time this year and like I had to learn, you know, but but I go, one of the things that I do is I go to a lot of games, right?
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I I watch their performances, I have conversations with coaches.
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So it's a real partnership between the team and coaches, and and a coach described it perfectly, like that role is like I'm the bridge between them.
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You know, so sometimes I have to tell athletes things they don't want to hear about their coaches, and sometimes I have to hear tell coaches some, you know, things they don't want to hear about what the team is saying.
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So that we're really all like in this really beautiful ecosystem working together.
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Um, and sometimes I'm like, okay, I don't I don't know about the softball, so you got to explain this part to me so I can figure it out, right?
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And then this year I found myself like obsessed with the college world series, the softball college world series, you know.
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Like I've never really paid attention before, but I got really dialed in.
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I was like, okay, I know what's happening, you know?
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So I think they, I'm not afraid to say, like, I don't know this sport, help me learn it.
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And then they feel empowered to share because I'm being vulnerable.
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Like, I believe that vulnerability creates magic in the team.
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And so if I want them to be vulnerable with each other and me, I have to be willing to do that.
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So I'll be like, I don't, I don't understand what a rise ball is.
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Can you please explain it to me?
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You know, and then they do, and then they they feel, you know, like, oh, okay, it's okay to say you don't know something.
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It doesn't mean I'm less invested.
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Yeah, for sure.
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I I mean, before I go too deep into that, I kind of do want to touch on um, because you brought it up, being an entrepreneur, like was that something that came natural to you?
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Uh, you know, because for me, because it seems like obviously having your higher education background and kind of that was like your wheelhouse, and stepping into entrepreneurship, uh, what what was that like?
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Where do you get your influences?
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Uh, just speak on that because I think entrepreneurship is at all-time high and is much more widely accepted now as it relates to a career path.
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But now it's very lucrative and people see the value in it.
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But yeah, what it what was your path to entrepreneurship?
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Yeah, it was so if I if I look back, if I kind of zoom out, it's it's like there's a five, there's like I could work for somebody for about five years and then I would start to get bored and I would need something, right?
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And so um that was usually like my exit, my exit point.
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And I think um this is my third kind of entrepreneur um adventure.
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And I think I I don't have it figured out, but it's definitely sticking, like it's definitely working.
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Um I think before it was more like sales type of like of a product, like a brick and mortar.
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Like so um I had I was very creative, and so like I owned a knitting shop, you know.
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So like after kind of 9-11, I'm really dating myself.
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I I started, I taught myself how to knit, right?
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And so a colleague and I were like, oh, let's open a knitting store.
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That sounds so romantic, that sounds so fun, right?
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Yeah, that it was a grind, like I didn't make any money, you know.
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Um, and then part of that grief his that grief piece with my son was teaching myself how to sew.
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And so then I started designing fabric and then I wholesaled bags, and so I I did a lot of shows when my son, my 16-year-old was young.
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And then when he was in second grade, it's like, okay, it's time for me to go back to work, right?
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And then then about five years in financial aid, I was like, yeah, I can't do this anymore.
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This opportunity, you know, and I think all of those pieces led me to write to where I am now.
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Um, and it was finding that that calling, right?
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Of just knowing what you're supposed to do.
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And so it's interesting because my my both of my younger brothers also all work for themselves for themselves.
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And we are from my father is a fourth generation medical doctor, and none of his children wanted to go into medicine.
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And so my parents are like, well, we don't really understand what you all do and how you all live.
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Like they don't really get it, but I think it's really interesting that none of us work for someone.
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And and my brother has he and his wife have a PhD and they they taught and they sold everything, moved to Alaska and opened like uh or moved to from Alaska to Florida and opened a bodega in St.
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Augustine, right?
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Like, so we I for whatever reason, we are we are okay taking risks and being like, this is what we're called to do.
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Wow.
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So yeah, that's yeah, that's cool.
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Yeah, because I think yeah, a lot of a lot of people don't realize like when it comes, like I think.
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You touched on a couple things, like risk for sure.
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Like entrepreneurship is risky, but at the same time, it's fluid.
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Like you you I don't think there's a better way to live your life than to like if you have something in your heart that just to go go after it.
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And you'll see what happens.
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Like because I see so many people um almost talk themselves out of those things that are in their heart.
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They go, too long, or it'll be too hard.
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And I don't know how to do that exactly.
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And what ends up happening is that they do nothing.
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And uh, yeah, so you lose that sense of adventure.
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Yeah, and it's not unlike an athlete experience.
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Like I have to, I have to have a structure and a discipline and a routine, and like the the payoff is not immediate.
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You know, sometimes I think athletes are like, Yeah, but look at this person, they had all this success.
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No, they worked really hard and they did a lot behind the scenes and what wasn't required, and they were obsessed with process.
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The same thing in entrepreneurship.
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You see something on social media and you think they're an overnight sensation, but they're not.
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They put in all of this work and it's the process.
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And like I have a bracelet that says process on it.
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Like, I have like am obsessed with the process of being good at my craft, the same way an athlete is.
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Yeah, no, I love it.
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Because uh the funny thing is, I, you know, obviously we're on different sides of the country, and um, you know, you through social media, I was able to find you and you know, following your content and uh everything that you're sharing.
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Um another thing that stood out to me is uh, you know, I'm I'm a track and field person, so that's like my wheelhouse, right?
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Yeah.
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So I think about like the level of individualization and you know, mastering the self, and you you articulate it very well.
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You do a great job of kind of taking that approach.
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Um, what is some of your I guess differences when when it comes for you working with individual sports versus team sports?
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Yeah, and I think track is one of track and swim are like they're unique in that it's an individual sport, but it's also team, right?
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So there's this kind of like there's a team, but then your performance is individual, and your your your performance also impacts the overall team standing, right?
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Yeah, um, and I think it's it, I think so much of it is about self-awareness, like the mental stuff, it's it's about awareness, and and the better I can help an athlete understand themselves and why they do things and why they think things and their beliefs, the actual skill and the practice you put in place is simple.
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I mean, but it doesn't mean anything if you don't have that self-awareness of like, hey, I'm in my head and my inner critic is really loud, and when that shows up, I get tense, and then that impacts my performance.
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Well, once you have that awareness, then we can change the behavior.
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So I think even on a team, there's a lot of when I work with a team, there's a lot of individual reflection and journaling and paired sharing so that they're not only learning about themselves, but each other, because then there's that chemistry to help them collectively.
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But for me, it all starts with that that knowledge of self-like all the tools in the world mean nothing if you don't know when you're not present or anxious or spinning out, spiraling is they they always tell me, I'm spiraling.
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Like I know what spiraling is, I know, and and here's how I know, right?
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And I do think a lot of that, again, the intuitiveness and then my own yoga practice has helped me.
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Like I'm very in tune to to what's happening in my body.
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So do and athletes are not.
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Oh, yeah.
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Well, that's yeah, that's that's what I was getting to.
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So yeah, um, do you work uh I mean virtually primarily, or is a lot of your stuff in person?
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So my teams predominantly are in person.
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I I I live in the in the part of the world where there's a lot of colleges nearby, which is great.
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But I do have teams virtually.
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Um, I picked up a team for this fall in Minnesota, so I'll fly in a couple of times to do in person because I just think it's more impactful, and then we'll go on Zoom.
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All of my one-on-one clients are we meet on Zoom or FaceTime.
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Yeah, and what so what is like a what can someone expect from a typical session with you?
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One-on-one or team?
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Yeah, well, one-on-one, yeah.
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So I ask a lot of questions.
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I ask a lot of questions.
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Um and really it's a conversation, right?
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It's it's a conversation to help them um get to know themselves and and what happens during a performance.
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I think what what works is because we're not sitting in an office and it doesn't seem like like something's wrong, right?
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Like you're going to the doctor.
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Um I tell my my young ones, I'm like, what's your favorite your Starbucks drink?
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And they're like, strawberry acai refresher.
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I'm like, okay, so we're we're hanging out at Starbucks.
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You're on FaceTime.
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I I've got my coffee, you've got your refresher, like we're having a conversation.
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Um and and then there's a I have an athlete portal built out for my one-on-one clients that has videos that actually teach the skill of so I have six pillars in my program, seven pillars in my program.
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And so teaches the skill.
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And so I'll say, I want you to watch these before our next meeting.
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And then we're gonna talk about if it's body awareness is the pillar, we're gonna talk about how does that show up in your soccer game, right?
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And then we'll talk through that.
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And then so in that portal, there's videos, there's also meditations, visualization, breath work, and then resources like journal prompts.
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I have I'm working on an athlete journal of like tying all that together.
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And then I'll give them homework.
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Like I want you to track these things.
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Like when you make a mistake, what is your first thought?
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What is your body?
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What do you feel in your body?
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So then we can begin to dive into what's really happening.
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Yeah.
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And then they have access to me via text.
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So whenever something goes well or goes goes wrong, we're talking about it in real time.
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Because what I feel like athletes do is they, okay, I had a bad performance.
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I'm gonna shut it down.
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And if you have to wait a week to talk to me, you're gonna have moved on from it.
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And we're not fixing anything.
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So if you can call, if you can text me um as soon as something happens and we can talk about it, like in between races or in between games, we'll try something new so that you begin to see that immediate gain and we begin to change that brain chemistry.
00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:14.160
Oh wow.
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Yeah, my yeah, my mind's got a million miles per hour.
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Yeah, it's a lot.
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My the amount of athletes and all the teams I work with have access to me one-on-one.
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And and that works, I think, because yes, a lot of colleges have sports tech people on staff, but but I think the magic is I'm not connected to the university, I'm not connected to scholarship playing time, I'm not reporting back to coaches unless there's something that they really need to know about, and the athletes gonna know I'm gonna do that.
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:48.400
So yeah, it's frightening to think of who has my cell phone number.
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Don't think about it.
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No, just don't think about it.
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Oh, yeah, that's right.
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That's right.
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I'll just get totally overwhelmed.
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Yeah, yeah, just lock the phone away.
00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:02.319
Um, what I I want to hear, I guess, on that standpoint, like um some success stories, like for you.
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What are I guess some general, you know, I guess uh stories that like you took this athlete in and you've seen like the most growth, or where you've learned a lot about yourself, you know, working with those individuals.
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Anything stand out to you like that or like those yeah, I mean, I think there's I think the the one that the one that comes to mind right now is um she she was a high-level soccer player.
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She was eighth, eighth grade last year, and and I started working with her kind of in a team setting, and then she became a one-on-one client.
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And and in a team setting, she was um kind of a typical like 12, 13-year-old girl.
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Like, I'm like, I don't understand you all in a large conglomerate.
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Like, we're good one-on-one and a large group.
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I I don't really enjoy them.
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Um, and they know that, right?
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But one-on-one, and I was like, oh, you're I didn't know how it was gonna go, right?
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I because she was really kind of silly and goofy, and I was like, uh, I don't know, but we'll try this.
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:25.920
I've been with her over a year now, and so she as an eighth grader developed her confidence that she could she tried out for varsity as an eighth grader, made it, was a huge piece of their success.
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:29.200
That team went to states for the first time ever.
00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:33.039
Um, and she was a huge contributor.
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:52.640
And to watch her confidence go from like, I don't know if I can do this, to I'm playing with seniors who are gonna play in college and and hold my own and and own my space on the field was so fun to watch.
00:31:52.720 --> 00:32:05.759
And her mom's like, she would have never even thought about trying out, much less continued to like show up so that the coach had nothing, he had no other choice but to put her on varsity, like he had to.
00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:10.079
Um another one again, soccer.
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:22.400
Um if I she got really anxious before games and like so much so that she couldn't, didn't want to play, didn't want to go to the field.
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:25.680
If I could get her to the field, we were good.
00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:36.160
So I spent many Saturday mornings talking to her and dad to get her from hotel room to the field so that she could play.
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:50.640
And just just being just this constant voice of like being present, breathing, being the moment, like reminding her of what she had done, reminding her of fact and evidence and data.
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.680
And now she's to the point where we've taken a break.
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:59.119
She worked with me for about nine months, so we've taken a break and she's she's like thriving.
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:10.000
I mean, for me, that was that was huge because I was like, I I just again intuitively, I was like, it's not it's not like an anxiety like where she needs a med.
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:14.400
She just got in her head and didn't like feeling nervous.
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:17.759
But if I could get her out of the room, we were good.
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:19.920
And then she could play.
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:20.799
Yeah.
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:29.599
And one thing that I see, it's a lot of times it's not so much the athlete, it is the support system.
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:34.960
And how do you work with or collaborate with parents?
00:33:35.519 --> 00:34:01.119
Yeah, and or coaches, you know, those those very influential stakeholders that do need to buy into having you as a resource and being able to, because sometimes also what's in the best athlete of the or what's in the best interest of the athlete might not coincide with the expectations or perceptions from parents or coaches.
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:08.159
So, how have you dealt with that or like what's your philosophy in you know uh managing that collaboration?
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:11.679
Yeah, so I think in terms of I'll speak about coaches first.
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:24.159
I think coaches who um who want to support their athletes in this space will hire me and they're open to what like I'm part of the coaching staff.
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:25.679
They see me in that way.
00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:33.280
Coaches who probably need somebody like me are never gonna hire somebody like me because they don't want somebody like me talking to their athletes.
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:35.039
And that's just the reality of it.
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:37.679
And that's like, fine, I am not for you, right?
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:44.639
Like, like I am on sidelines, I'm in locker rooms, I'm like, I'm there and I'm in it.
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:50.880
And so those coaches, we are in constant communication.
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:55.599
Um, before sessions, after sessions, before games, after games, what are you seeing?
00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:56.559
What are you hearing?
00:34:56.719 --> 00:34:58.000
What are you what are you feeling?
00:34:58.159 --> 00:34:58.400
Right.
00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:13.599
I'm and and I think with this generation of athlete, and I feel so old when I say that, but like I'm spending just as much time working with coaches as I am with the athletes and helping make that bridge.
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:19.280
So the ones that don't want it, they don't enter my circle, even though they may need it.
00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:22.320
Parents are tricky, right?
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:28.639
Because look, you you don't you don't want to be told how to parent your kid.
00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:39.760
Um, but I do think they're open to supporting their athletes and their daughters to be the bus version.
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:46.079
And so I often will try to help the athlete be able to express that.
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:52.800
Like, hey, hey, mom, dad, like I don't want to talk about the game on the ride home.
00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:54.639
Can you give me right?
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:57.440
I want to empower them to advocate for themselves.
00:35:57.679 --> 00:35:58.239
That's huge.
00:35:58.320 --> 00:35:58.800
That's cool.
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:02.639
And so sometimes we practice that conversation, you know.
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:09.039
Um, and if I have to, you know, I'll say, Do you want me to talk to mom and dad?
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:11.440
And they will say yes or no.
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:13.119
And then I I will have that conversation.
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:30.079
But but I really stress with them, like, I'm not gonna pick up the phone and say, Hey, guess what, you know, Susie said to me today in our session, like that is sacred space, unless I feel like there's a reason, as in their like mental health concern.
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:41.760
Um, and they all understand that, but I really want them to be able to say it versus feeling like they can't say that to their parent.
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:43.360
Yeah, that's tough.
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:44.480
Yeah, it's hard.
00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:44.880
It's hard.
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:46.639
What about like expectations?
00:36:46.800 --> 00:37:03.280
Because I think um that's the one I've and it's so tough because very seldom do I see uh consistency with what the athletes' expectations for themselves or what their desires are and what the parents is.
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:07.519
So sometimes like it's it's hardly ever like they're both on the same page.
00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:13.280
And maybe it takes a long time, but early, like early high school, middle school, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:16.559
And I see parents get frustrated.
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:25.199
I see athletes get frustrated just because there is that dissonance between those ex those levels of expectation for what sport is to them.
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:26.320
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:30.239
And I think at the end of the day, it's about the athlete.
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:31.039
Yeah, right.
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:31.599
Right.
00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:43.920
And if it if they can go in and own their space and stand in their power and stand in their confidence, it doesn't matter what mom, teammate, coach, dad thinks, they know what they can do.
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:57.360
Um, and I think the create this crazy world of college athletics right now, like it it makes expectations like really out of whack when we're talking dollars and NIL and scholarships.
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:04.480
And you and I know that that like that's probably the exception more than the rule.
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:07.039
Yeah, that's not everybody's experience.
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:09.519
It's not every it's not everybody's experience, right?
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:15.760
And and and you know, I I chuckle when someone says that their eight-year-old is an elite athlete.
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:17.679
I'm like, okay, really?
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:18.320
Are they?
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:20.639
Yeah, they don't even have real bones yet, you know.
00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:28.719
You know, like like is it really a mental performance issue, or is it really that they're just eight and they need to go play and like be a kid, you know?
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:34.480
And I tell a mom, like she the other day, she's like, you know, she just needs to be more motivated to train at home.
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:41.840
And I'm like, it's summer, like yeah, let her rest, it's hot, like she plays year-round, like let her be a kid.
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:42.960
She'll love him.
00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:45.920
She'll grow more if she sleeps, you know, that kind of old adage, right?
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:47.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:38:48.000 --> 00:39:01.280
Um, I was gonna want to get into a little bit more because I like I said before, I love your perspective on the gender differences when it comes to your approach with mental performance coaching.
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:14.559
Um can you elaborate on that and kind of share what your you know, um, I guess, approaches and philosophy when it comes to working with like team male or female sports and individual male and female sports?
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:27.519
Yeah, I think that um I think there are as females, like there's just differences in how we process things.
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:33.760
Like, I'm all like we are equal, but we are different, right?
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:41.519
And and so I think helping them understand that that's not a flaw, right?
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:48.719
Like my inner voice is very different than my football and hockey, male football and hockey players' inner voice.
00:39:50.400 --> 00:40:06.320
But I also know and try to create a space where they can recognize that and have that awareness that having an inner voice that talks negatively to you does not make you less masculine.
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:17.920
So it it's interesting in that my up my approach, if I work with like teams, male or female, I don't really shift it.
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:24.320
Which is why I think in some ways I've had success with male teams.
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:28.719
Um, because I'm asking them to be vulnerable and to share.
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:36.400
And yeah, they might get uncomfortable and squirm, but as I tell them I'm okay with silence, I teach yoga, like I can sit here all day and be quiet.
00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:38.000
Like it's fine.
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:50.400
Um, and and like some of my hockey players have played pro and I still have taught, like, they have the same fears that my female athletes have when they go to the next level.
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:53.840
It's just how we talk about them is different.
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:54.880
Yeah.
00:40:55.119 --> 00:41:05.440
Um, from your experience, what are some things that you feel like resonate um maybe more with your female athletes compared to your male athletes?
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:08.320
Yeah, so we talk about the mean girl voice a lot.
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:12.079
So it's like the mean girl voice, right?
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:18.000
So like I call it with my male athletes, I call it like the inner critic.
00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:19.760
Like they can wrap their head around that.
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:21.360
They don't know what a mean girl is.
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:24.239
But my my female athletes, they know what a mean girl is.
00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:32.079
And I'm like, that's the voice that tells me I'm not good enough, I should be better, I shouldn't be on the team, I'm gonna get cut, coach hates me, right?
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:32.960
That voice.
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:34.480
And they're like, oh yeah.
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:43.199
So so talking because I understand that and I have it, being able to talk to it and talk to them in a way that they get it.
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:45.360
It's like, oh, okay.
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:48.159
There's nothing wrong with you.
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:54.320
It exists for the same reason for male and female athletes, but the lens which we talk about it is going to be very different.
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:57.760
Like we're talking about it on a feeling level with my males.
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:01.119
It's like this is part of your brain that's designed to keep you safe.
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:03.119
It doesn't care if you win or lose.
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:05.360
So, how do you manage that voice?
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:08.239
Like, that voice is there to protect you.
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:16.000
We don't want it to go away, but you can cohabitate with it and not let it take over your performance.
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:17.119
Wow.
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:18.719
Yeah, that's cool.
00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:19.760
The mean girl voice.
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:20.639
The mean girl.
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:22.239
They're like, oh yeah, we know that voice.
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:24.159
And I'm like, yeah, everybody knows a mean girl.
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:25.440
Like, do you do you name it?
00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:27.679
Do you say give your mean girl voice in there?
00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:29.679
Yes, and sometimes I do.
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:40.559
And it's interesting because they they all laugh about that because but what I tell them, I'm like, I know it's really silly, but it creates space between you and your voice because you are not that voice, right?
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:49.840
That's that voice that's there to like, oh, I don't want my human to get embarrassed or feel sad or right, it's protection.
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:55.360
But if you can create some space, I'm like, go get a job, go tell it to sit in the stands of mom, you know.
00:42:55.599 --> 00:43:00.719
Sometimes they name the voice their parents, which I think is highly highly entertaining.
00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:04.719
I'm like, okay, that just gave me a whole lot of insight into your family dynamics.
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:11.039
But it but it it makes it lighter so that it's like there's nothing wrong with you.
00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:20.559
This is part of the human experience, and you can let that voice drive everything you do, or you can be like, no, you know what, I got this.
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:25.039
But like those thoughts are not like thoughts aren't facts.
00:43:26.559 --> 00:43:33.920
And then we talk about giving them data and evidence because that voice in your brain can't argue with that, yeah.
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:40.880
Like, you know, um if you've done it, it can't say, well, no, you haven't.
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:54.800
Well, one of the things I noticed, like working with like high performing male or female, one thing that or at least I'm still kind of on, I'm still trying to figure it out and trying to give it like a little bit of a framework.
00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:59.760
But my male athletes really respond to emotion when coaching, especially like high intense.
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:01.440
Moments and things like that.
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:09.039
And my female athletes respond more to like logic and like making sure that they understand what you talk about process.
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:19.519
Like if they have a level of confidence about what is actually happening or what the level of execution is or the technical components, they can like have a grasp on it.
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:23.360
They they can step into any, you know, any ring.
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:24.880
Um, I don't know.
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:30.880
Does that does that um how is that, you know, I guess correlate to some of your approaches or experiences?
00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:32.960
Yeah, I think you're spot on, right?
00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:36.880
Like they want to know, they want to know why, right?
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:43.679
And and and it's interesting because a lot of times a male, particularly I think male coaches, right?
00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:46.960
I think they will they can have very loud voices.
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:47.920
I do with my husband.
00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:51.039
My husband is this big kind of burly guy with a loud voice.
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:52.159
And I'm like, why are you yelling?
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:53.760
He's like, Lusanda, I'm not yelling.
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:55.840
We've been married 20 years, I just talk loud.
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:58.239
I'm like, but that's triggering my nervous system.
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:05.199
So I think for a lot of female athletes, we associate that loudness with yelling and being in trouble.
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:09.199
And like, it makes me think of my dad, and I'm in trouble when you talk that loud.
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:22.239
And so I think coaches like helping coaches understand that, and then and then helping athletes like he has to have a loud voice because you're on the other side of a field and you can't hear him, right?
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:29.519
But but helping them, like the emotion, they don't, it takes them somewhere else and they shut down.
00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:35.519
And so I think your point of like they want to know why, they want to know logic, they want to know process.
00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:39.440
When they understand that, they're good, right?
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:44.400
They also want feedback, good and bad.
00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:48.800
Although I think sometimes they only want the good feedback and not the bad feedback.
00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:53.760
And so they say they want it until they get it, and then they don't like the way it's delivered.
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:56.239
And so, like, that's like that's not about you.
00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:57.360
That's like take them.
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:01.599
I I'm often saying take the emotion out of it and look at the words that were said, right?
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:08.719
Males can can like get somebody yelling in their face and thinking like football or hockey, like they're fine with that.
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:14.639
And if they don't get that, that's when they spiral.
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:26.079
Like, I have a hockey player that didn't get that, didn't get information, and that made him like, what am I doing wrong?
00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:27.760
Where am I failing?
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:32.079
Like they filled in the gaps, or they made up stories, right?
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:35.599
Like, I'm not good enough, or you know.
00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:37.039
Hmm.
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:47.599
So what like uh I well, at least I I have a when I first started coaching, it was a small division one in Arkansas, and I said, you know what?
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:48.639
I'm gonna give feedback.
00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:51.440
I'm gonna do an end of the year review, and I'm gonna send it.
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:53.440
I'm gonna send it in an email.
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:55.599
Oh, how'd that go?
00:46:56.079 --> 00:46:59.679
Yeah, I wasn't done with um grad school at the time, I don't think.
00:46:59.920 --> 00:47:16.320
So uh that was that was rough because like yeah, that I learned quickly about direct and indirect messaging and uh yeah, sending my end of the year review via email, like like with no context, was so dumb.
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:17.280
Yeah, yeah.
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:25.599
So yeah, feedback is yeah, how you deliver feedback is uh I learned that very, very early in my coaching career.
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:26.400
So yeah.
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:37.440
And I think having like I encourage, because I know some coaches don't they'll do you know, preseason, end of season check-ins, right?
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:43.599
And maybe that works for some athletes, but some athletes need more touch points, right?
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:45.599
And again, helping them advocate for that.
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:53.280
Like, listen, coach, I need to check in with you every couple weeks just because that's what I need to be my best version of me, right?
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:56.079
I don't need a lot of time, 10, 15 minutes.
00:47:56.639 --> 00:48:08.960
You know, some coaches that I've worked with, like we've started to implement that so that they have every two-week check-ins with every single athlete on the team and they're rotating through just so they can get a pulse on what's going on, right?
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:16.079
Because I think to your point earlier in this conversation, you've been so many places, right?
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:25.679
They come to you at practice with so many, so much other stuff that that coaches think, oh, they're just not performing, they're not giving effort.
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:32.880
Well, it could have nothing to do with sport, it could be class or home or relationship or work, right?
00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:39.360
And my job is to help them understand how to kind of compartmentalize those for the time that they're performing.
00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:41.760
But again, we're human, we don't always do that.
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:46.880
Just like, hey, cut your coach some slack, he's a human too, he's been up all night with a two-year-old, right?
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:49.440
Like, so he's not peppy today, right?
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:54.239
Like it works both ways and helping them understand that.
00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:55.440
Yeah, that's cool.
00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:56.880
I I love I love that.
00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:11.599
Um, what is your future outlook when it comes to not just mental performance training, but you know, as you're working with all these different walks of life for from an athletic standpoint, with it's like youth, high school, and college, what's your future outlook?
00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:18.559
Like, where do you see the world of sport going versus where it's been, like whether it's like pre-COVID or right past COVID?
00:49:18.880 --> 00:49:29.599
You know, because it it seems like um, and I'll I'll share my little quick insight, I was just talking to a buddy of mine, is this the NIL world is making it a little bit more transactional.
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:35.920
So, like that coach-athlete relationship is even um becoming more transactional at the youth stages now.
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:37.679
Like, what can you do for me?
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:45.760
Uh then I think there is a level of disconnect with intuition because information is so abundant.
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:53.199
You know, people can throw things in Chat GPT and watch YouTube and go to YouTube university and just get anything and everything they want.
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:59.360
So information is not the catalyst to understanding anymore.
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:02.960
It's I think how to decipher all the information.
00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:08.719
So I see I see a few different you know paths with you know how that could lint lead out.
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:14.239
But um, I definitely because like I I love the lens in which you look at things.
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:29.280
I, you know, just like I said before, having consumed your your social media and um you know, and some of the other information that you have and resources on your website, but what is what what is your outlook on the future of sport, whether it's like high school youth or college?
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:46.480
I think that um I'm hoping that that people like me become part of everybody's experience and that that that we're moving in that direction.
00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:51.039
I think you know, say what you want about the portal.
00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:53.280
I mean, I think there's good things, I think there's bad things.
00:50:53.440 --> 00:51:01.360
I just also think it teaches athletes of like we're not teaching them to be resilient because I don't like I don't get what I want, so I leave.
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:04.559
Um, I do think the five for five is good.
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:08.400
Like it's gonna force them to commit to some things.
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:11.840
Um and it is it is very transactional.
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:19.760
And I think that's probably the hardest thing about entrepreneurship is I am not transactional, and but I have to be to make a living.
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:24.159
Like, like for me, this is about the relationships with programs and coaches and athletes.
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:39.360
And so um, but I think I think this work needs to start at the middle school, high school, definitely the high school level, and we need to teach them how to be humans.
00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:43.599
If they can be good humans and have these skills, they can be good athletes.
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:58.320
Because when it becomes transactional and solely transactional, and it's solely about their performance, they're not always the best humans, and that's not the best thing for programs.
00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:06.320
And I, being an educator to some extent, still believe like there is student and student athlete.
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:09.840
And I think we've lost that.
00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:27.280
And that makes that makes my like nerd heart very sad, you know, because if you're not uh, you know, if you're if you want to play for the power four, it doesn't it doesn't matter if you're a good student or human.
00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:30.880
Can you perform and what can you do for our university and program?
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:38.079
And I think I think with with some of this five for five, I think we're gonna get back there.
00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:38.960
I hope.
00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:43.519
Or they start to have more people like me come in.
00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:51.199
That's not this sort of like clinical approach to how we teach mental performance, right?
00:52:51.360 --> 00:53:00.400
Yeah, because there are people uh there are schools that have campuses that you know that do come in and they do us, I don't do PowerPoint presentations.
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:19.280
I don't like I show up and I've got sticky notes and pens and whiteboards and you know, like I just I I want them to interact and learn how to be a human and be the best version of themselves, whether they start every single game or they are on the bench the entire time, right?
00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:22.320
They play a role on that team.
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:24.800
Yeah, no, I love it.
00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:34.239
Yeah, because like yeah, I'm I'm I'm constantly am conflicted because it is so changing so much and so and so fast, yeah.
00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:39.840
And I'm like, I used to think I had a pretty good pulse on you know what the next couple years might look like.
00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:42.960
Now I'm I'm your guess as good as mine, kind of thing.
00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:44.639
Like, yeah, this is what I do.
00:53:44.800 --> 00:54:02.719
Like, this is yeah, I'm no, I don't, and I think I think also like remembering that coaches like this is their livelihood, this is your livelihood, this is how you pay your bills, this is how you feed your family, this is how you how you live, and like coaches are humans too, right?
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:09.840
And I think that gets very lost in this transactional world of NIL and athletes.
00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:18.000
Like coaches got into coaching to help athletes be better people and win.
00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:25.599
We've lost that that art of it because it's about the end result.
00:54:26.159 --> 00:54:32.239
Yeah, well, because I get yeah, if somebody wanted to be a millionaire, there's so many other uh there's other ways, yeah.
00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:34.960
There's so many other ways that it's so much more lucrative.
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:38.320
Like yeah, yeah, the heartache, the heartache and coaching.
00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:45.760
I was telling, you know, because with it being a two-year school, we help I have to recruit them and I have to help them get them out, right?
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:46.639
Yeah, yeah.
00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:53.440
And I was telling somebody was like, you know, every coach right now has their has had their heart broken.
00:54:53.519 --> 00:55:02.480
The biggest and baddest college coach out there, all the way down to the smallest one, yeah, has had their heart broken already because they thought they were gonna get somebody and they didn't.
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:04.800
They thought they were gonna keep somebody and they didn't.
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:10.000
So every coach has either won or lost the battle that like definitely for sure lost the battle.
00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:10.800
Oh yeah.
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:18.880
Yeah, like even though there's some winners out there, but they lost somebody and they thought they were gonna get a recruit or they thought they were gonna get a transfer.
00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:21.519
So every coach is kind of going through that heartbreak right now.
00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:23.599
Like, I don't care who you are, where you're from.
00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:24.320
Oh yeah.
00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:27.760
I was trying to shed it, like you said, coaches are humans too.
00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:30.320
Like we all we went through it.
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:32.320
Yeah, we're wounds right now.
00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:34.159
Yeah, and I think they forget that.
00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:37.119
Like they forget that coaches have feelings, right?
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:40.079
Like, no, they're human too, right?
00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:44.000
Like, yeah, and and a t-shirt.
00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:44.400
Yeah.
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:46.480
That's right.
00:55:46.639 --> 00:55:47.360
They do.
00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:48.880
Oh, they do.
00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:50.320
Yeah, that's funny.
00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:54.400
Um, but like I said, I I love your information, your content.
00:55:54.480 --> 00:56:11.599
Um, a couple things I want to get to know um um before I let you go, yeah, is like what what kind of thrust you into the social media component of uh you know your business and like what were you always uh did it all become natural to you?
00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:14.800
Were you always kind of in that sphere?
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:18.559
Uh what led you to it and how was it going?
00:56:18.639 --> 00:56:23.199
And what like what are some of your breakthroughs or kind of epiphanies in your journey?
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:23.760
Yeah.
00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:29.440
So this is where I talked about like being an entrepreneur is like being an athlete and training.
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:37.519
Like I've had to work very hard um to craft the social media piece.
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:46.559
And and it's really only been in the last probably three to four months that I've started to see a shift.
00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:50.000
Um, and and that I'm part of a again, more training.
00:56:50.159 --> 00:57:00.320
I'm part of a training program that helps um actually sports coaches take their knowledge to work with athletes remotely.
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:13.760
And so I'm a little bit of an outlier because it's the mental performance space, but but it's really helped me figure out how to like message and what to say and who to talk to.
00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:20.000
Um and I've had to work at it very hard.
00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:29.119
And I spend a lot of time in this office of mine um with my dogs around me, like working and trying.
00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:36.239
And again, like people see one thing and the work behind it has been like eight years.
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:37.840
Oh wow, yeah.
00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:40.239
Well, you have good, you have really well-behaved dogs.
00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:41.360
I had to go put mine away.
00:57:41.440 --> 00:57:44.960
They were oh well, I have so yeah, they are.
00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:49.519
So I have great pyrenees, which are like big giant, um, right?
00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:51.280
Like they're sheep guardian dogs.
00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:54.320
Um, and so really like they just sleep during the day.
00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:55.199
Oh, cool.
00:57:55.440 --> 00:57:59.760
One is like under one is a puppy that's eight months old, and but he's like 90 pounds.
00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:04.480
He's a he's a beast, he's like to the right of me, and the other one's to the left of me.
00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:08.320
So yeah, they they like to hang out and sleep while I work.
00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:11.599
Oh wow, okay, yeah, they're very well behaved.
00:58:11.679 --> 00:58:12.239
That's pretty cool.
00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:20.800
Yeah, I'll I'll I'll go get a cookie, they'll get a cookie for that because sometimes I get on Zoom and they're like, Oh, pay attention to me, but oh man, it's it's nap time for them.
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:22.159
Yeah, cool, that's good.
00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:23.920
Yeah, um, yeah, that's funny.
00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:29.679
Yeah, because they have the social media thing, I think people like you said, you you have to be a student of the game, and it it doesn't.
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:43.440
And I love that you shared that it was something you had to work on because I think a lot of people, like you mentioned earlier, see the end result of stuff and don't really see the painstaking hours and self-doubt that might go into it.
00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:46.639
You're like, oh, I don't want to do this, but I'll I'm gonna do it anyway.
00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:46.960
Yeah.
00:58:47.679 --> 00:59:00.000
Oh, I just messaged my coach this morning and I said, I think I need a meeting because my social media is not performing the way like I feel, I feel like it's not doing resonating the way it was a month ago.
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:01.119
And he's like, Why?
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:04.000
Like again, coached me back, right?
00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:05.599
Well, why do you think that?
00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:07.039
Why do you feel that way?
00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:08.639
Let's look at the numbers, right?
00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:21.039
And so, even though like we all have that, you know, I'm I always say coaches need coaches, and so I I have a lot of coaches in my corner that's cool that help me talk talk me off my own ledges.
00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:23.440
But I'm like, burn it all down.
00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:31.679
Like they're like, no, let's just look at what's happening, let's look at what's working, let's look at the facts and take your feelings out of it.
00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:35.280
Feelings are not facts, so burn it all down.
00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:36.400
Yeah, burn it all down.
00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:37.599
I've had those moments.
00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:38.639
Oh, yeah.
00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:50.079
So going getting into the business side of things, um, I want to definitely, you know, because uh obviously I downloaded your your guide to because I'm gonna give it to my oldest son plays basketball.
00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:51.119
Oh, yeah.
00:59:51.440 --> 01:00:02.480
And you know, obviously being in basketball, uh uh trying to compete at a high level, it you know, the mental side became real important.
01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:03.599
And um yeah, yeah.
01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:06.639
And so yeah, so I he he's gonna be off to college this year.
01:00:06.719 --> 01:00:11.199
So I'm gonna yeah, he's gonna be being sent off with your your guide to help.
01:00:11.599 --> 01:00:12.159
Oh, I love that.
01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:12.639
I love that.
01:00:12.719 --> 01:00:13.440
Where's he going?
01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:16.400
Yeah, uh Northwest Idaho, uh Nazarene.
01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:17.440
Yeah, yeah.
01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:20.800
So he's gonna go and play basketball up there.
01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:22.320
And so awesome.
01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:23.199
Congrats.
01:00:23.280 --> 01:00:23.760
That's awesome.
01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:24.960
Yeah, it's gonna be fun.
01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:26.159
Yeah, it's gonna be fun.
01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:29.599
Um, but so what can like how can people find you?
01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:38.800
Um, and what are some of the the offerings that you have um from like if somebody wanted to you know get involved with your services?
01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:45.599
Yeah, so uh my website is peakflow.info.
01:00:46.239 --> 01:00:53.599
Um, and so you there's contact forms, there's um just general information about about me.
01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:57.360
I think there's some journal prompt, there's some like freebies and stuff on there.
01:00:57.519 --> 01:00:59.360
So definitely can connect through there.
01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:07.840
Um Instagram, I feel like I spend most of my time and I I just changed my handle um within the last couple of months.
01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:10.159
So it's lucinda.mindset.
01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:16.719
Um I think because people didn't know who I was, and so trying to like put a face with the brand.
01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:20.400
Um in can send me a DM there.
01:01:20.559 --> 01:01:21.679
I'm on TikTok.
01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:26.000
Um that's at Peak Flow, but TikTok is strange to me.
01:01:26.079 --> 01:01:26.719
I'm old.
01:01:26.880 --> 01:01:28.800
Like that's a that's a weird thing.
01:01:28.960 --> 01:01:34.960
I just do it and then I find that like time suck of like, wait, I've been on the TikTok scroll for a while.
01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:38.880
Um, but it those are those are the two um easiest.
01:01:39.039 --> 01:01:45.599
There's contact forms, um, or just email me, which is peakflow rockroc at gmail.com.
01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:46.000
Okay.
01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:54.880
So if yeah, if there's coaches that want to get in touch with you, what are some of those like team opportunities or um, you know, I guess yeah, yeah.
01:01:55.039 --> 01:01:59.360
So so you know, this again is part of that entrepreneurship.
01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:03.440
You know, I thought it was gonna be this very like black and white, like this is what I offer.
01:02:03.679 --> 01:02:09.039
But I think even with um one-on-one athletes, it's like we have a conversation, like, what do you need?
01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:10.719
What do you need for your team?
01:02:10.880 --> 01:02:16.239
I want to know what keeps coaches up at night when they think about their team and their season.
01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:29.039
Um, and then craft a plan and a program that works for them, whether that's all in person, whether it's a hybrid and virtual, whether it's um all virtual.
01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:35.760
So that we're really helping athletes be the best version of themselves.
01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:50.719
And so I don't I am not a believer in like a one and done type of program unless it's like a keynote for like I did a did that and a training for an athletic conference um last year, you know, for their leadership conference.
01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:56.960
Um, but because I because that doesn't do anybody good to come in and drop information and then peace out.
01:02:57.280 --> 01:02:59.760
Like that's not helping anybody be better.
01:02:59.920 --> 01:03:16.000
So it's really um having that conversation and they can reach out via the the email or contact forms on the website, and we get on a call and we have a conversation and see what works for them and what their team needs.
01:03:16.320 --> 01:03:16.800
Hmm.
01:03:17.119 --> 01:03:18.000
All right, awesome.
01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:32.400
It's very collaborative, it's very collaborative and that level of customization and individualized approach is like one, I think gives you the opportunity, like you said, to optimize your effectiveness.
01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:43.360
And I think like that, I for me, that's just a testament to your willingness to try to be as collaborative and as you know, your you're you want to be effective.
01:03:43.519 --> 01:04:09.199
Um yeah, like you know, there's some programs that wanna um, you've seen them like that are more like subscription, that are more like um just automated and you know, um kind of cookie cutter, which you know work and maybe for some people, but this like what you're talking about is like that real human, um, you know, like that depth that I think helps transcend change.
01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:27.840
And like I said, is probably the most and is the most optimal way to deal with the mental performance side of things because again, there's so there's so much information, there's so many tools, so many resources, but the the human condition is something that we have to master on our own.
01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:34.880
And and you know, having somebody support that journey like is is I think a cheat code.
01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:41.679
So um I definitely, you know, um love to see what you're doing, love to see everything that you have going on.
01:04:41.840 --> 01:04:51.599
Um, any words of advice or encouragement for those coaches or athletes that are out there that maybe haven't worked with or heard of a mental performance coach?
01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:56.159
Yeah, I think it's like there's nothing wrong, right?
01:04:56.320 --> 01:05:03.440
Like saying you want to work on mental performance doesn't mean you're broken, it doesn't mean you're flawed, it doesn't mean there's something to fix.
01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:08.159
It's it's it's you wanting to be the best version of you.
01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:12.480
Um, and I don't know any athlete or coach who doesn't want that.
01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:15.280
Um, but it's how we access it.
01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:21.119
And and it's not it's not because you're flawed, it's it's because you're human.
01:05:21.280 --> 01:05:24.800
And and so how do we make you be a better human?
01:05:24.960 --> 01:05:36.960
And and I always say, you know, I can say the same thing that you say to your athletes, and they will take it as like this, oh, like this big revelation, and you're like, I've been saying that to them for like every season.
01:05:37.280 --> 01:05:38.320
That's really frustrating.
01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:41.760
I get that, but I'm I'm not connected, right?
01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:50.079
And so being able to to have that that voice is is really fun um for me.
01:05:50.159 --> 01:05:54.400
And I just lost my oh, I lost my train of thought.
01:05:57.920 --> 01:05:58.480
I don't know.
01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:04.079
It was gonna be something that I looked over and I saw some some championship rings and I was like, wait, what?
01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:05.119
Something about that.
01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:08.960
Like, I mean, it at the end of the day, it is about winning, but we're also human, right?
01:06:09.039 --> 01:06:13.039
Like, and and how do we bring those two things together?
01:06:13.199 --> 01:06:20.480
Because I think if you look at the teams that have success somewhere, there's they haven't lost all of their humanity.
01:06:20.719 --> 01:06:21.360
Yeah, yeah.
01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:22.239
Oh, I love that.
01:06:22.480 --> 01:06:23.519
Haven't lost their humanity.
01:06:24.159 --> 01:06:26.880
And um, yeah, I just wanted to say again, great job.
01:06:27.039 --> 01:06:28.079
Uh, I love what you're doing.
01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:28.800
Thank you.
01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:29.920
Thanks for reaching out.
01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:39.199
You're doing some amazing work, and I look forward to if not connecting, but yeah, following and supporting, you know, all the amazing things that you're doing.
01:06:39.360 --> 01:06:40.719
So I love watching it.
01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:52.639
And um, outside of that, uh, where can um when it comes to athletes, so would you recommend athletes reach out be able to reach out to you or families reach out to you?
01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:59.920
Either one website or or send me a DM on Instagram and we'll have a we'll have a conversation.
01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:00.800
All right.
01:07:01.039 --> 01:07:02.639
Well, thank you all for watching.
01:07:02.800 --> 01:07:16.880
I, you know, when it comes to again becoming on Common Podcast, uh, we have another amazing episode with some great insight and knowledge to kind of help, you know, for all of us kind of take that next step to be the best version of ourselves.
01:07:17.119 --> 01:07:20.639
So um like, subscribe, do all the above.
01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:27.840
But if nothing else, definitely check out uh Lucinda and everything that she's doing with Peak Flow.
01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:30.400
And outside of that, see you next time.
01:07:30.559 --> 01:07:31.199
Thanks.
