Why DEI Hires Keep Getting Caught for Plagiarism (& the Kamala Harris Plagiarism Controversy)

In this provocative video, Malcolm and Simone Collins delve into the recent plagiarism accusations against Vice President Kamala Harris and explore a broader trend of academic misconduct among DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) officials. They discuss the apparent double standards in how these incidents are treated compared to similar cases involving non-DEI figures. The video also touches on broader political issues, media bias, and the current state of American democracy.

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Malcolm Collins: Hello everyone! I'm excited to be here with you today! Recently, Kamala pulled a bit of a Mr. Bean in terms of trying to copy the test scores from somebody else.

Plagiarization.

We are going to go over this, but also a trend. I have noticed that all of these D. E. I. Individuals, these individuals who are in these positions of unearned power and authority due to their gender and ethnic background. Plagiarization scandals just seem to be happening over and over and over again at a really high rate.

So one, I want to document the phenomenon, and then I want to explore why the phenomenon might be happening, while also exploring the specific case that happened with Kamala Harris. And before I go into all of this, as somebody who has their background in the sciences, If [00:01:00] you are not a trained academic,

you might be like, plagiarization? What's the big deal there? In the sciences, historically speaking, it would be worse for your career to plagiarize something Then to grape someone.

Come here, kid! I'm gonna tie you to the radiator and grape you

Malcolm Collins: It was like, bore into me when I was studying in the sciences. It is better to like, in a testing environment, walk over, yank someone's test from their hands, and put it in the box.

We have after scribbling out their name and writing your own than it is to attempt to plagiarize And then there are even even within that there's different categories of plagiarization was the very highest bad category of plagiarization being plagiarization from wikipedia because that's Plagiarizing and plagiarizing like an idiot from the most obvious source

Speaker: originally called the Madison Square Garden. Is that from Wikipedia? No. [00:02:00] I just used it as a starting point to get a general idea, and then I went to scholarly sources. Show me your browser history! For unrelated reasons, I would actually prefer not to do that.

Simone Collins: Yeah with like the lowest form of offense being auto plagiarization which after being taught that in college I was like wait You

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, auto plagiarization can get you kicked out of school, but it's unlikely to, well, that could end your career.

Sorry, people might not know what auto plagiarization is. Auto plagiarization Apparently people

Simone Collins: don't care about cheating anymore.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, people basically stop Well, when they realize that the rules might also apply to black women. Sorry, I, I don't mean to be too offensive there, but that's basically what happened.

They're like, oh, we've got this protected class. And sorry, when I say black women, I mean black women who progressives consider real black women, not conservative black women. The rules still apply to them because they don't have their black card anymore. As Biden said, if you don't vote for us, you ain't black.

So I'm not saying black women as in women whose skin color is black. I'm saying black women TM. You know, the, the, the ones who agree [00:03:00] with all of the mainstream progressive opinions,

Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx): I realized I forgot to describe what unapproved realization is. , autoplay authorization is when you plagiarize yourself. So an example of where someone I knew got in trouble for this is they had written a fan fiction. And they had posted it on a fanfiction website and then later they took parts of it and incorporated it into a story that they were publishing was in a college context. And the college plagiarism checker found their own fanfiction and said, look, you plagiarized from this and proving that they had written it and did nothing to help their case, that they. had plagiarized and it was counted by the school rules as an official. , plagiarism and it's wild to me that, you know, historically. If you were white, you can get kicked out of school.

You know, college have your entire life ruined over this. And yet, you know, When you aren't. It's considered hardly an issue at all. And I think the reason why people aren't freaking out about this is everybody knows. Everybody knows it's not a real thing.

Like, that's why they're like, oh, it wasn't some major violation [00:04:00] because we all knew that

If you look like Kamala Harris, you're allowed to do this.

Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-1: ADV. You're like, oh, but what about Trump's felony conviction? The problem is, is that actually for defies the point I'm making here rather than undermines it, the people who view. Trump's felony conviction as a strike on him at versus further edifying him in the eyes of the masses. I think our people who have intentionally not engaged with information around the case. , just so you know, A bit of background here. , the case was a, , around falsifying business records, which is a misdemeanor in New York.

And yet novel legal theory was applied to make it a felony where they tried to argue that, , Because it could be made a felony of falsifying business records was done and do cover up another crime, except it wasn't done very clearly to cover up another crime. , and they just basically made up without specifying what that other crime was that it was being done to, And cover up another crime, by the way, if you're wondering.

Oh, well, I mean [00:05:00] he did falsify business records and didn't, he will even, that's a little vague. So the case was specifically in regards to Michael Cohen, paying $130,000 in hush money to stormy Daniels and a series of monthly checks. , and Michael Cohen had to organize this. So Trump would pay him legal fees and then he would take those legal fees. And pay stormy Daniels.

But, he had told Trump like, so imagine this is you, your lawyer tells you, oh, this is the legal way to do a payment, to keep somebody quiet and you go along with it. And then later that person turns on you. And all of a sudden it says, oh, this isn't a legal way to do it. It's not like this was Trump's idea or something like that.

He was just doing what his lawyer told him to.

Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-2: And more than that. , what do you even expect him to do? Like write down. Hush money to prostitute, , in his legal documentation. And if you're like, well, I mean, this is all Dan and stream of Trump's own sexual impropriety. Well, [00:06:00] here's the problem. You, you then could be like Kamala Harris is a. This is a symbol of a virtue.

And it's like, well, not, not really. , if you look at her first major job, it was when she, a 20 year old was sleeping with a 60 year old who got her that job

Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-3: And has admitted on record that the fact that they were dating, influenced him. Giving her these positions, which allowed her to get her first major prosecutor job.

Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-1: but again, this is a great example, you know, , even if you do something that's not a felony. If you, , look like Trump and our Republican, then it's a felony. , and it is just. A ridiculous amount of bigotry and double standards at this point.

Malcolm Collins: By the way, you know that the Harvard woman who, who used to be like, had a president,

Simone Collins: the former president,

Malcolm Collins: and all that's plagiarism, you know, she still has a tenure at Harvard and it's still a professor there.

Oh, good for her, I guess. The point being is that there's really no pushback on this stuff in a mainstream sense, while Jordan Peterson loses, [00:07:00] loses, not just his ability to be a professor, but even his ability to practice medicine, because he is center right.

Simone Collins: Yeah, he didn't plagiarize anything, to be clear.

To my knowledge, he's not accused of any academic wrongdoing, just being.

Malcolm Collins: Before we go into this Kamala Harris stuff, we made this Kamala Harris ad that I wish the mainstream party would use and you, you get to edit it, Simone, if you want me to use an edited version, but I created a version and it's just Kamala's face laughing in the background.

And in the foreground, it says, remember when you could afford food and I think that that is one of the things that the Trump campaign isn't hitting hard enough is how bad the inflation crisis is right now. And how bad the cost of living crisis is right now.

Because it is nightmarish. And if we have four more years of this, it's not going to be a problem for your family. It might be an existential risk to your family. Those

Simone Collins: of you who live outside the U S by the way, I've discovered this new genre of YouTube video that I [00:08:00] find to be really entertaining, where people from the EU go shopping at grocery stores in the U S and freak out about how much everything costs just FYI.

Speaker 5: My reaction to the bill after my first time shopping at an organic store in America.

Do I just put this in here? Feels like I'm playing Animal Crossing. Check out the juice section. This is a sugar free lemonade made from real lemons. 5 percent of it made from real lemons. 4? I'm totally okay with this. This is like fine. Why is this lettuce 3?

Simone Collins: I don't know if you know about this, but I just love this as a genre because I Like obsessed with budgeting, but I'm also obsessed with grocery stores. So combined two of my favorite things and plus cultural commentary. I mean, I, I can't stop.

Malcolm Collins: All right. Oh, by the way, a really crazy thing in terms of like progressives covering this up.

You today went through the entire [00:09:00] drudge report. This is the day after this, when we're filming this drop. The drudge

Simone Collins: report is a popular news. Headline Consolidator website in the U S

Malcolm Collins: not a single mention anywhere that this has happened.

Simone Collins: Yeah, just about how Trump is unhinged and a criminal and terrible.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, and before I go further, I should probably, people will be like, Kamala Harris isn't a DEI candidate. Didn't Trump get in trouble for saying that? And it's like, bro, she didn't even run for office. She, she hasn't won a single major election in her entire life. She, she in the Democratic primaries last time didn't make it far at all and was very unpopular.

She didn't have to run for the primaries this time. She should have. Even Black Lives Matter asked for her to actually stand for election. Likely because they know her actual history on crime and black incarceration. But it's, it's shocking to me. It's shocking to me that anyone would [00:10:00] suggest that she is not a DEI candidate.

Everyone knows. The reason why she, if a white guy was randomly appointed to be the Democratic candidate, do you think that they would be able to hold that without having to run? Of course not. And then people can be like, Oh, but she's no, she was vice president for four years. Doesn't that qualify her for the position?

And it's like, okay, one of two categories, you can either go with what she's saying, which is that she's had literally nothing to do with anything that's happened for the past four years. Cause she, she doesn't want to associate with it and it's going also that she would

Simone Collins: not do anything differently, which is something she said in recent interviews.

Well, yeah, but

Malcolm Collins: she's all like, Oh, I'm going to change everything day one. She's not saying what she's going to change. I'm going to change everything. All the day one stuff I'm going to change. You're, you're in office now, supposedly, like what's all this experience you have if you're not doing anything, right?

So either she's done literally nothing for the past four years, A, or B, she's completely responsible for the situation we're in right now. And if you're voting for her, you're voting for more of this. [00:11:00] So, either way, DEI candidate, okay? So, The Kamala Harris Plagiarism Controversy centers around allegations made about her 2009 book, Smart on Crime, a career prosecutor's plan to make us safer.

Oh my goodness. Here's a comprehensive overview of the situation. And she co authored it with Joan O. C. Kent. Conservative activist Christopher Ruffo and Austrian plagiarism hunter Dr. Stefan Weber have accused Vice President Kamala Harris of plagiarizing significant portions of her book. The main points of the allegations include at least 12 sections of the book are claimed to contain, well not claimed to contain, shown uncontrovertibly to contain plagiarized content.

I'll put something on screen here of like highlighted, highlighted. It's very clearly copy and pasted. Whoever reportedly found 27. Cases of plagiarism in the book sources plagiarized include Wikipedia, wire services, press releases, and reports specific examples, a section apparently listed verbatim from a press release by John [00:12:00] J.

College of criminal justice content copied from an NBC news report on high school graduation rates without proper attribution. Texts allegedly taken directly from Wikipedia, including a factual error present on Wikipedia at the time and material supposedly copied from Bureau of Justice Assistant's report on crime statistics for West Palm Beach.

And what's so shocking to me here is this was a book on catching crime and she's committing crime while writing a book. Uncatching cry. It's very much like the deep state gets to do whatever it wants and isn't subject to rules. And our job is just to control and incarcerate you. Our job

Simone Collins: is to mind our own damn business.

Yeah. I love how you

Malcolm Collins: pointed out that Tim Walters mind your own damn business phrase. Many people thought that he meant this, like, don't get in like my family's sexuality's life. But what he actually means is when he's abducting your child. Because a nine year old has decided to say that they're trans [00:13:00] or when he's because that's what he did, by the way, he made a state that or when he create something like this COVID lockdown policy, where you can call and have your neighbors arrested for, what was it, 90 days for leaving their house during COVID.

You know, And you're, you're being dragged from your house or your kids are being dragged from your house. And, and you're like, why are you doing this? He means mind your own business in those scenarios. He basically means don't ask questions of people in authority. And you can see this by the way he used the mind your own business line in the debate which Simone noted.

He's like, Oh, he basically means don't ask me questions about why I'm doing something shady. Which is similar to, you know, the way Cam on, right. Any further thoughts before I go further? Proceed. And I love progressive sources trying to downplay this. It's like, She, she copy pasted from Wikipedia! In a published book, man!

This isn't something that you can scrub over. Come on.

Simone Collins: [00:14:00] Apparently it is. According to

Malcolm Collins: It doesn't matter. Different rules, I, I, it's very much a Napoleon, when I say Napoleon, I mean Napoleon from Animal Farm some people are more equal than others, it's like, well, yes, we need laws, and I need to arbitrarily throw large numbers of people in prison, but, those laws don't apply to me, I'm of the ruling class and I, I mean, she's descended from plantation owners.

She thinks like a plantation owner. And I pointed out, like, when it was cheaper to pay people to do a job, she argued to keep them in prison because it was fire season and they needed the free labor, even though the free labor costs more than just paying for them. She thinks like an authoritarian. But anyway, reactions to the response.

Harris's campaign has dismissed the accusations as politically motivated attacks, but they're true. What do you mean dismissed as politically motivated attacks? And the new york times published an article that some claim it downplayed the severity of the allegations Of course, they would they did a piece on us recently on how we're so I love [00:15:00] the piece on us.

It was a piece on pronatalism, right? And it's like we need a form of pronatalism That doesn't say we need to force dinks to have kids but that says I support your decision not to have kids But I just want to make it easier for those who are choosing to have kids to have more kids I'm, like That's exactly what we say!

A hundred times! You can even look at our dinks video!

Simone Collins: These are people who really, really, really, really should not be having kids.

Malcolm Collins: We mean this both from a genetic reason.

Like, as we've talked about, like a dink is obviously more likely to be narcissistic, less likely to want to get back to society, et cetera. But in addition to that, they're not going to be good parents.

Like, what, what, what?! Ya crazy nutterbutters. Anyway in December 2023, Claudia Gay faced accusations. This was the head of Harvard at the time of plagiarism in her academic work. This was, by the way, a black woman who was head of Harvard and clearly didn't have the qualifications to get there, and I will go over proof that she didn't have the qualifications to get there, but they wanted a [00:16:00] black woman running things.

Over her 1997 Ph. D. dissertation. The allegations came shortly after Gaye's controversial congressional testimony where she was incredibly anti Semitic. By the way, if you're wondering, how anti Semitic could she have been? When she was asked , does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard's rules of bullying and harassment?

And she responded, it can be, depending on the context. And get they tried to give her an out on this. Like, the Republican was like, You can't possibly mean what you just said. And her response to that was, quote, Again, it depends, depending on the context, end quote. So genocide calls for the genocide of all Jews, not, not bullying or harassment, not even hate speech.

Not bullying or harassment, not cause for any form of discipline within the existing Harvard system. Horrifying. And I would remind people when we're talking about the urban monoculture or this DEI mafia, [00:17:00] to Jews, these people are not your friends. Okay? If you want to know why they're not your friends, it's because they have created a world in which all differences between groups are the result of some form of past oppression because Jews are disproportionately in positions of power.

Jews just succeed more than other groups. That's really clear in the statistics. That means that definitionally, not only can you not have been subject to past oppression in the past, but If you say you might have been, that's pretty sus in their minds. They might not say it out loud, but they say it behind Krillin's doors.

Let me tell you what, I've been to enough of the New York dinner parties to know this at this point. And it means that you're probably architects of all the oppression. So, really, really, really do not be Jews for Hitler on this, okay? People don't like you. We, we, we, we are trying to just elevate.

This, this is their own writing here. This is their own genocide for all Jews. I really don't know [00:18:00] if they should face any disciplinary action at all is, is what they're saying here. And that is horrifying to me. Initially Harvard's governing board, the Harvard Corporation, stood by gay describing the situation. It's a few instances of inadequate citation rather than research the misconduct, so they refused to research it. Then independent researchers researched it further as more allegations surfed. Harvard announced that gay would make her.

would make corrections to her dissertation and two academic papers, an independent review was conducted, but pleaded in just a few weeks, and lack of transparency raised questions about its thoroughness, so they basically did nothing. By early January 2024, the number of allegations had grown significantly, with claims of plagiarism affecting about half of Gay's published works.

So she plagiarized about half of all things she had ever published. Okay, I didn't realize

Simone Collins: that. That they kept investigating and they found more. That's Harvard

Malcolm Collins: kept trying to shut this down. They never really investigated any of this because again, protected class.

Simone Collins: Well, or, and, or they maybe looked into it and initially immediately found how bad it was and didn't.

Want more to come [00:19:00] out, you know, they were like, let's

Malcolm Collins: don't

Simone Collins: pull on this thread because I don't think that's it.

Malcolm Collins: I think knowing how the urban monoculture works, they just seriously didn't consider investigating someone. They consider it a protected class. What's the

Simone Collins: point? It doesn't matter if she did anyway.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, well, we can't really fire a black a black woman from president of our school. So like why investigate, right? Like progressives aren't freaking out about the Kamala Harris plagiarism. Even though, like, the urban monoculture should know, like, this is a big issue and, and, and should be a huge stain on her character.

Whereas, it's very clear we live in a classed society right now, where depending on your ethnicity, you are subject to different rules. And that is really effed up. Like, that is what I thought what we called racism and what we were fighting when we said we were fighting racism. But anyway, some of the most clear cut cases involved verbatim copying without proper [00:20:00] attribution, including instances where gay allegedly lifted material from other scholars without quotation marks or citations.

One example involves copying from a Bureau of Justice assistance report on crime statistics. In some cases, gay reportedly used language from Wikipedia articles, including factual errors presented on pages at the time. So just not only plagiarizing, but plagiarizing actual errors.

Simone Collins: Incorrect. Wow. Okay. And then

Malcolm Collins: people act like she resigned.

They're like, on January 2nd, 2024, Gay resigned as president of Harvard University, citing plagiarism. And basically in this resignation speech, she didn't say that she had done anything wrong. She said this was a racist conspiracy against her, but she didn't want it to hurt Harvard. Which is so absolutely ridiculous.

But what a lot of people don't know is, you know, how she makes her money today? She still works at Harvard. She's still a professor. And again, they're like, she's tenured. And it's like, well, so was Jordan Peterson.

Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-4: No. I thought Jordan Peterson had been fired from his tenure position,

Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-5: but when it's functionally forced into a position where the only ethical choice for him was to quit.

Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-4: Over a topic similar to this. , quote, [00:21:00] first, my qualified and supremely trained heterosexual white male graduate students. And I've had many others by the way, face a negligible chance of being offered university research positions, despite stellar scientific dossiers.

This is partially because of the diversity, inclusivity and equity mandates. My preferred acronym, D I E.

These have been imposed universally in academia. Despite the fact that university hiring committees have already done everything reasonable for all the years of my career. And then some to ensure that no qualified quote unquote minority candidates, wherever overlooked. My students are also partially unacceptable, precisely because they are my students. I am academic persona, non grata because of my unacceptable philosophical positions.

And this isn't just some inconvenience. These facts render my job, a morally untenable. How can I accept perspective researchers and train them in good conscious knowing their employment prospects to be minimal.

Malcolm Collins: Like you should be fired when you do certain things. And I don't think Jordan Peterson should have been fired.

But what I'm just saying is being [00:22:00] mildly center, right? Which is what Jordan Peterson is. He is not extreme, right? He's not anywhere near as far right leaning as we are, for example. And he was fired for that. And we are considered like rhinos by some people and Jordan Peterson is like way over there in our dust in terms of to the right.

And yeah, I'm, I'm very I mean, I'm just disappointed that it's gotten this far. If you want to know how much she was making as the president of Harvard she was making a 0. 88 million per year.

Simone Collins: Whoa. Oh my goodness. That's a lot of money.

Malcolm Collins: But this is not the only instance of this happening.

Let's go over some other DEI people who got caught plagiarizing Sherry A. Charleston, Harvard's chief diversity and inclusion officer, of course, for 40 counts of plagiarism in 2024. Then we have Adel McKinn, chief DEI officer for staff at Columbia University Irving Medical Center. Hey, maybe

Simone Collins: originality is a white thing.

It's like a, as a white culture thing. What? Originality, you know, just like, Oh

Malcolm Collins: [00:23:00] yes, we need to say that, that expecting originality of people like this Smithsonian report that was like hard work and being on time or only for white people. That's imposing white culture. I would know. We don't believe this.

We think this is a race. I'm joking.

Simone Collins: I'm joking, but I'm, I'm saying that maybe that's also, it could literally be something that is believed if, if literally this starts to surface is associated. Yeah, they're like, well, don't you understand? Like that's a white cultural value. And don't you understand that most art and most everything else we stand on the shoulders of giants.

Of course we copy. That's the only way that humans iteratively improved. I could totally, I could, I could make an argument, an impassioned argument as to why plagiarism is a stupid thing to prosecute. I'd

Malcolm Collins: claim okay if we had a natural cultural shift in that direction. But we are not having a natural cultural shift in that direction.

We are having an [00:24:00] instance in which people of certain ethnic and gender groups

Simone Collins: Right, where selectively plagiarism is okay and permissible. Yeah, so,

Malcolm Collins: so, All day. Mckinn, chief D. E. I. Officer for staff at Columbia University Irving Medical Center accused of plagiarizing parts of his dissertation for Wikipedia and other sources.

This was in 2024. So keep in mind, a whole of this is like, just this year, Natalie J. Perry, leader of the cultural North Star program at UCLA School of Medicine, which was a heavy D. E. I. Program. Accused in April 2024 of publishing large parts of her doctoral dissertation. I can't even imagine plagiarizing a dissertation, not like homework, which is what I was terrified of plagiarizing a dissertation.

Simone Collins: You'd expect it from students because we've already, and we've had other episodes about how just bankrupt and hollowed out the university classroom is today from a student's perspective, but. Professors and PhD students. I mean,

Malcolm Collins: these

Simone Collins: are

Malcolm Collins: people who have invested. We're like our friends, like Johnny anomaly gets removed from departments [00:25:00] from stating like, like mildly controversial things.

Like this is absolutely insane. And he's been removed from running multiple departments that he started. The one that always gets me the worst is at what, what school was it? . But anyway he Ran a department there that was a very, very popular department on like controversial philosophy. And he ended up having his department shut down and he was fired by the person who ended up being the boss, who was the lady who a, a, by the way, a woman of color who did all those spurious accusations around, oh no, Duke, around the Duke lacrosse lawsuit which have since been shown to be completely wrong, that the person was completely in the wrong.

This person has never apologized to the people whose life she's ruined. And yet she continues to be promoted to running an apartment right now. If the world had any justice, she would be fired and never able to work again. And yet she's running a department and able to do things like in his career, which is insane, but hold on.

I haven't gotten to the last person. LaVar Charleston, chief diversity officer at university of [00:26:00] Wisconsin, Madison implicated alongside his wife, Sherry Madison in allegations of research misconduct. So just across the board, you keep seeing this. And the question is, I think you see two things here. I think one, you see a society now where it's very clear that the legal system and the rules within universities are applied to different ethnic groups differently.

Yeah, no matter who you are, like this, it's very clear that this is the case. And that is racism. That is bigotry. I don't care that the left has tried to redefine racism. That's bigotry. And I don't think anyone who historically fought against bigots would see this as anything else. And I think that the institutions right now, they are university campuses are fundamentally bigoted institutions that have an ethno hierarchy and a gender hierarchy.

And like they need to be quote unquote decolonized. Let's put it that way. They need to be decolonized by the urban monoculture. And I think we need to lead a decolonization effort of our university system, because this is horrifying that it's [00:27:00] gotten to this, this level. But I also, more than this, the fact that everyone's so okay with all of this plagiarism, like on the part of Pamela, or on the part of these other individuals, and they just don't care, it's because they know they don't expect her to actually do the job.

They're like, yeah, she's like a priest cat. She doesn't actually do her job like the deep state does all the work. And it's like, yeah, well, this becomes a problem when the FAA starts like hiring people based on how much they hate authority. And, and how much they hate science, which is a real thing that happened.

Tracy would

Simone Collins: grains right up about this and, or our episode about this. I guess, yeah, now that I'm thinking about it, there was in us politics, another issue of plagiarism associated with one of the two major presidential candidates that did come up. And there was a big kerfuffle about it. And it was when I believe a speech of Melania Trump's was partially plagiarized.

If memory serves, out

Malcolm Collins: about that, she doesn't even run anything. She has no decision

Simone Collins: capacity. She is a [00:28:00] figurehead. She yeah, and it was a speech writer who did it. And I mean, cause my understanding is Kamala Harris did not have this book ghost written. She co wrote it with someone.

Malcolm Collins: She's admitted.

She's admitted in her responses that she was responsible for the plagiarism because she hasn't denied it. She hasn't said, oh, my co author did this or, oh, it's not real. She said, you want to

Simone Collins: think that like the co author, if being a good Democrat went through themselves under the bus to save her, it's interesting that she owned up to it.

Malcolm Collins: No, because they haven't, it's clear to me that she was the one who did it.

Simone Collins: Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, I guess that you're, you're right though. I was at first thinking this, everyone plagiarizes and it's probably isn't a big deal. And that's why no one's talking about it. But the point that people freaked out when the 1st lady of the United States.

Had a partially plagiarized speech. Then hers wasn't from Wikipedia, including factual inaccuracies. So [00:29:00] yeah, pretty bad.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Well, and I was really sad to see that even the drudge report just didn't mention it anywhere. Like, I feel like we're in such a dystopian world right now where nobody can talk about what's true anymore.

Nobody can be like The left

Simone Collins: feels the same way. The left feels like, and I can tell you, so right now we 20 something days up to the election in the U. S. are looking at two very polarized sides, collectively freaking out in a very myopic matter about the other side on the right. There's a lot of awareness that there's manipulation in the media, really a lot of bias.

And then on the left, there is genuine concern that. The right is going to lose the election and then attempt some kind of revolution to undermine democracy in the U. S. and [00:30:00] to just take over by force or something like that. And is it really? Yeah, there is. When we were driving this morning to go on our strategy walk, we drove by various lawn signs because we're, we're in a, a key swing state and in a key swing district within that swing state, which is why

Malcolm Collins: we moved here, by the way.

Simone Collins: Yeah, we're, we're in a place that quote unquote matters. There were multiple signs about the integrity of democracy and despots. So, yes, Malcolm.

Malcolm Collins: But they're the side that didn't even vote in their own primaries! They're the side that,

Simone Collins: like, cancelled democracy! I know, but that's not the world that they see.

And we have two sides that see basically totally different worlds. and are incapable like muggles of seeing the other side. And I think that it's, I don't, I don't need to be aware of that.

Malcolm Collins: What you're doing is you're trying to do these, like the two sides are equal thing. And I don't think that that's what we're dealing with here.

You know, you can't have somebody who's [00:31:00] arguing a completely ridiculous and fictional position treated as the moral equivalent. So here's an example right now. How can they

Simone Collins: know better when all of the media to give them no evidence that they could possibly be wrong. Because they're

Malcolm Collins: expected to try to consume media on both sides of the aisle.

Like, I expect people to, at a basic level, know what's going on on the other side of the aisle. I would argue that when you look at I didn't even get to

Simone Collins: talk about Okay, give me, give me a chance here. Because I, I can, I can present, I think, maybe a compelling argument. These people are only accustomed to consuming what you might call mainstream media.

So their attempts to consume. Media on the right to take in both sides exposes them to mainstream conservative media, which I would argue is actually pretty low quality and not very good and pretty unhinged.

Malcolm Collins: Well, there isn't mainstream conservative media. I mean, you've got Fox News, which most conservatives would call a left wing media out right [00:32:00] now.

I would call it a left wing media outlet. Well, that's

Simone Collins: what they're watching when they watch, when they watch both sides. And it is,

Malcolm Collins: then you're just not getting real and people can be like, what, if you think even Fox news is a left wing media outlet, what do you think is a right wing media outlet? And it's like, I want you to go to a list of the top 10 most popular podcasts right now.

You won't find a single left leaning podcast on the list and you will find like eight expletives. Blissedly Republican podcasts on that list, right? Leaning media has become decentralized. It's things like this podcast, like what you're listening to between Simone and I, but we can't even go into any of everything.

Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-6: Well, this used to be true. It looks like recently the New York times slipped into spot number seven. Under the top 10 list.

Malcolm Collins: Like, if you want to see our further sauce on this, you can go to our Antifa video where I talk about things that I don't want to talk about here. Cause I don't want to get demonetized. But yeah,

I

Simone Collins: think I understand your point, but I mean, I, I, [00:33:00] you know, but have some pity on the person that you met before. You know, when we first started dating, you know, I came from a progressive background. I consumed progressive media and I just didn't know better because. I, I,

Malcolm Collins: no, but you were like curious.

Simone Collins: Yeah, but when you don't know the right person who can show you the right things, you're just not going to find these things out. And that's, that's my argument is, is there's a lot of really well meaning people who are very afraid. About the integrity of democracy and human rights, et cetera, et cetera.

And I

Malcolm Collins: am afraid about the integrity of democracy, right? Because Camilla didn't run for office. She kept people in prison when they shouldn't be there. She used it for prison labor when we've been cheaper to set them free. Her running mate is a guy. who did a COVID snitch line to have people randomly arrested when they did things like leave their house, even though we now know that the science didn't back that.

Campbell has said that Brazil was right to ban X because they allowed for [00:34:00] free speech. Most

Simone Collins: well meaning American voters don't know that.

Malcolm Collins: Political figures like this is, this is like, She has said basically up front, I plan to be a dictator. That's my goal. No more free elections. Like that's, that's like the stated platform right now.

And, and is Trump perfect on that stuff? No, I don't think he is, but I think that that's because we are entering an era right now where we are going to need to decide in one of the upcoming elections. What do we want? Do we want a democracy that is corrupted? In that it is controlled by a dictatorially, fascistly minded cabal of deep state people who think they're better than you, basically don't think you're human, don't care what you have to say, hate the poor, love the rich and control the state, or do we want to be controlled by a loose organization?

of crazy conspiracy theorists who lack the, the organizational [00:35:00] competence to take over their own campaign. Like, I, I just, It's it's so night and day in terms of what you're looking at here, from my perspective, at least,

Simone Collins: I hear you and we we've chosen our side. I'm just saying that most people aren't aware of the things that you are aware of.

So they're doing the best they can with the information they have on hand.

Malcolm Collins: Okay, you're right. Well, that's what I'd say. If you're thinking of voting in this election cycle and you're an American, I'd ask you this question. Can you actually afford, as a family, four more years of this? Can your family actually afford if prices continue to go up as they have over this past four years, over the next four years?

And keep in mind, you could be like, that's not gonna happen. Kamala Harris certainly has more sane economic policies than Joe Biden. Says woman who wants to try to fix the economy. Grocery store prices, which every economist agrees would [00:36:00] cause them to skyrocket and break the economy.

Simone Collins: Her campaign slowly walked that back.

Well, we'll say very quietly walked that back after I'm sure

Malcolm Collins: about her economic acumen compared to the existing administration. So, can you deal with what has happened over the past four years? again? Can you economically survive out of the family? And if not, what are you thinking? That's, that's my brother.

Take on this. But what about you Simone? Any final thoughts?

Simone Collins: Just that I, I, I do find it very interesting that I guess, okay, this, this takes me to my whole thing about privacy. We're like, I am not so afraid of online privacy rules and internet privacy, cause I'm like, I don't have anything to hide.

And the one thing that changed my mind on that though clearly we're still not big on privacy was people saying, Hey, you know, you may be free now, but then suddenly when some new [00:37:00] administration is in power and someone needs to take you out, they will use that. They will use your lack of privacy as a tool against you.

And I think that what's scary about the, the plagiarism case study in the United States in politics and elsewhere in academia, this is one of those things of like, people can copy and then they just will use the any, any, or you can, you can commit academic misconduct and people will only use that selectively when they want to take you out.

And I just am afraid of systems in which there's selective application of rules. Because that, to me, is a sign of some kind of regime that is not run in a just way that is not run as intended or as designed, but instead run with special interest. So, I guess that was a very inefficient way of saying.

That when I see unequal [00:38:00] and inconsistent application of standards and rules, that is a sign of deep and dangerous corruption. That is meant to be the, the, the hammer of inflicting in, in just policies. It's scary. It's not a good sign. It's not a great indicator.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, I can see that. Love you to death.

Hopefully we can escape this situation before it gets worse. Before we have to retreat. But you are an amazing woman.

Simone Collins: Tonight am I making you pumpkin slow cooker beef sloppy joe sandwich? No, just

Malcolm Collins: reheat what I have. In the fridge.

Simone Collins: But in a hot dog bun.

Malcolm Collins: And you heat some hot dog buns. Like two? And cut some scallions and I'll put them in the hot dog bun with it.

Oh,

Simone Collins: just, just like fresh? Like two of them?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Something like that. I mean, one is probably enough. Because I don't think we'll get more than two hot dogs out of this. [00:39:00] So I can do the two hot dogs and then do some tomato soup.

Simone Collins: Tomato soup. Okay. That sounds good. Oh, yeah.

Malcolm Collins: By the way, I'm really excited about this.

We did a lot of slow cooked meat and then Simone did with pumpkins that she bought. She made pumpkin puree and then we mixed together the ultra slow cooked meat with the pumpkin puree to create meaty pumpkin puree. And we mixed this with a rendang sauce. And a little bit of like soy sauce and some MSG and some other spices.

And now we're creating like sloppy joe hot dogs with it that are based on a pumpkin based dish. Should be very festive and seasonal. I really wanted base camp cooking to become a thing, but I realized, ah, it's too different from the main show. Maybe one day if we become popular enough, I'll create a different show cause I really love cooking.

Simone Collins: Yeah. I feel like. Okay. Someday we could open a restaurant And we saw the

Malcolm Collins: restaurant seemed on the reality show families I still want to become a reality show family so we can open our vegas restaurant. Oh

Simone Collins: Yeah But I mean no one wants to be in the restaurant [00:40:00] business. You like never make money doing that.

Malcolm Collins: No Licensing our likenesses for the restaurant industry.

Simone Collins: Oh Yeah,

that's my goal.

Malcolm Collins: I love you.

Simone Collins: I love you, too

I I

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