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Speaker 1: Green Bay went all in.
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Speaker 2: When you make a trade and give up two first round draft picks for Micah Parsons and you spend all that money and go in and then you don't win, now you have to start tearing it down.
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Speaker 1: Welcome on in to the Bart and Willie show. Week three? No, it's four, man.
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Speaker 3: Dude, we're on like week 10, man.
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Speaker 1: This dude's jet lag. He don't know where the hell he is. I don't know. By the way.
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Speaker 4: Shout out to the good people at Playmaker. Shout out to our producer, Mark Donatone, behind the camera. All hands on deck for this awesome Friday. Another week is upon us. Bart, you look fresh and clean.
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Speaker 1: What's going on? Man, I'm good. I'm rested.
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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? I've been in the same time zone, unlike you, man. I tell you what, man, but I did what I did do. I did what I always do. They caught me slipping again.
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Speaker 1: Who coached you? Well, you're a world traveler, right?
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Speaker 2: So you've been to DR, Costa Rica, you go over to Europe and stuff like that. And one thing I hate is when you go there and you don't have the proper adapter.
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Speaker 1: Right. That European. Yeah, that European thing, man. Or but you think because you're in Europe, but then you go to London and it's something different. Right. Right. And then you go to Amsterdam and something different. Greece is something different. You know what I mean? So like you get caught up.
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Speaker 2: In the worst thing to ever happen when you're on the road or you're out is for your phone to die. or for your iPad to not be able to be charged and stuff like that. When you start, because when I go over to Europe, I don't know how you do it. When I go over there, I try to get my money's worth. So if I go to Paris, I go to London, I go to the Netherlands, I go to Greece, I bounce around, right? So when I'm doing that type of stuff.
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Speaker 1: Get the Europass, right?
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Speaker 2: Is that what they call it? I don't know if it's Europass. I want to get my money's worth. I don't want to go over there and be stuck in one place for seven days. And so like, I always constantly have to make sure that, you know, my phones are right, my iPads, because you take those mini flights, you know what I mean, from there.
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Speaker 4: And they, over there, when you're flying in Europe, it's like frontier. Like those planes.
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Speaker 1: Over there, you know the one that's like, one is orange, it's got orange on it. They don't recline. Like, man, you're sitting there.
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Speaker 2: And they're made for people that's under 5'8.
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Speaker 4: When I was in Germany, it was not comfortable. I think the seat next to me, I went to like, You played in Germany? No, I had to go to Germany and do something. And I remember I was in the seat, and I hit one of the buttons, and that shit shot me forward.
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Speaker 1: And I was like this. And I hit it backwards, and the lady next to me was like... It was awful.
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Speaker 2: You know, so, like, what I found is now they have a universal adapter. So it's a universal adapter that adapts to any port. So, like, you can actually slide the prongs. They have prongs.
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Speaker 1: You know, like, I think it's... You're a gadget guy, by the way. Yeah, I love stuff. I feel like you're always prepared for these types of situations.
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Speaker 2: Listen, I got the apocalyptic apocalypse.
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Speaker 1: Go with it. Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: I got those batteries that you sit outside and let the sun charge them in case we run out of power.
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Speaker 3: Wait, with the crankshaft on the side, too?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because we're afraid that the grid, that our next attack is going.
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Speaker 1: To be on the grid. Bro, so you know that I'm in the country. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: So it's interesting you said that, because going from Jersey to the country... you don't realize if things, if electricity goes out, you bare bones. But you're bare bones like this. So everything you do is about how much can the sun help you?
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Speaker 1: You're a generator.
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Speaker 2: That's what I'm dealing with right now. But gas is higher than Jurassic right now.
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Speaker 1: Correct.
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Speaker 2: So you can't even like, yo, gas, you might not even be able to get enough of that. Like you can get those big containers that they have like 20 gallons. But how long is that going to run? Like you hope that you got the propane stuff.
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? For the generators, that's what got me looking at the Tesla generators. By the way, Tesla thinks they're slick. Yeah. You see what Tesla's doing right now? Oh, you're talking about with the cabs? You see the- Oh, with the cars? Oh, yeah. They have, so you know- They're going after Waymo. Yeah, I spoke about that like a while ago. Right, but no.
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Speaker 4: So, you know, they cleaned up all the trucks, the big rigs, they got them off the road. So now Tesla has- Oh.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the battery charged semis for like- Correct, that they're self-driving.
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Speaker 1: We see you, Tesla.
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Speaker 2: Well, listen, this one thing I can appreciate about Elon Musk, I don't appreciate what he did with Doge and what he's trying to do with trying to act like it's- crazy stuff with South Africa and all that type of stuff.
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Speaker 1: And I don't care about all that stuff, but he is a genius.
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Speaker 2: And most, most geniuses, like you get the good and the bad, but the good is like, what I like about him is he attacks problems. And that's, that's, that's what everybody has to do. If you're a problem solver, it's money to be made.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: So now, like before Uber, you know, attack the fact that calves wouldn't stop for black people.
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Speaker 1: Right. and they discriminate against people. I don't think they're still stopping them. Yeah, they don't. Yeah, I've told you, every time I stop, they're like, I'm not going to Brooklyn. I'm like, bitch, me neither. You know what I'm saying?
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Speaker 4: What the fuck you talking about? Man, I was in a three-piece suit thinking I was like, oh, this is gold. I was like, no! I got dressed for this!
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Speaker 2: Turned this light off so fast. But right, Uber's solved the problem, right? Because now you get your driver, it's quickly. But what's happening now is, like, now.
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Speaker 1: Elon has the... Starlink. Yeah, no, the cabs, the driverless cabs. Oh, like Waymo, you're saying?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so they have the Waymo cabs.
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Speaker 2: You can buy them personally, but this is the thing. You can drive it and take your own car to work and put your car out to work while you're at work. Damn.
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Speaker 3: So you go park your car at work, and then it just turns on.
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Speaker 2: And people can book it to drive them places while you're at work. So your money's making money while you're making money. Man, this motherfucker's unstoppable.
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Speaker 1: He ain't lying. He's unstoppable. So that's what's going on. Yeah, but it's all good. Wait, hold on, Willie.
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Speaker 3: Do you have a cab calling outfit you have to put on? So I'm from New York.
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Speaker 1: And Bart's right.
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Speaker 4: They don't stop for black people, especially if you're going towards the Lower East Side or you're underneath 60th. They are not stopping for you. And one time I was coming, I was actually working, had to do something at CBS. And I knew I had to go further downtown, like towards Battery Park and all that down there. And cabs just ain't going to stop for you. So I was like, man, I'm in a suit. There's no way they're not stopping for me. I stood there for a damn man hour. And this was, by the way, this was before Uber like really kind of took off. And so this cab, like he slow rode me. He was just like, he saw me. I was just like, oh, thanks, man. And I kind of put my hand out to reach for the door.
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Speaker 1: He was just like, ah!
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Speaker 4: And pushed by, I was like, oh my God, Fat John Wick.
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Speaker 1: I was just like, what the hell's going on? Man, can I get back to my adapter, man? I'm trying to tell you how good it is.
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Speaker 3: You pulled a Jerome Bettis on him, right? He gave you the fake handoff.
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Speaker 1: Hell yeah. You know what I'm saying?
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Speaker 2: So like now they have like the, like when you push the prongs, so if it's a prong system, cause some have the wide prongs, but some have like the little long square ones. So they drop down and you can take them and some of them pivot out at like a 45 or 90 degree angle.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: So like, I went and got that. And I also got, I fell for it. Like, you know, you talk about we're made of 95% water.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Right.
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Speaker 2: So they said the Rothschilds back in the day used to use frequencies.
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Speaker 1: So like I bought the 24. What's that again? Frequencies. So, like, they got the tuning forks that you put. You heard of it? Of course, man. It's supposed to affect, like, the digestion.
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Speaker 3: And stuff of your body. It's the best part about being.
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Speaker 1: Up at 2 in the morning. It's like a pad they put on your stomach. No, no, no.
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Speaker 3: It's a tuning fork.
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Speaker 1: Put that... Frequencies, because we're... Like, so.
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Speaker 2: If you ever go into the Buddhist stuff, like the shit that Russell Simmons is into and all that shit, like frequencies, they have the bowls, and it's the frequency.
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Speaker 1: And the bell, ding.
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Speaker 2: Because our body is made of 95% water, so now different frequencies affect your liquid in your body. So I bought the tuning forks to kind of like see if I can reset my body.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. What do you need to reset? I don't know.
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Speaker 4: I'm all on decrepit. It's supposed to break up scar tissue and heal you from having cancer and shit.
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Speaker 1: Do you think you have something? I don't know, but I don't want to. Does it clean up STDs? Because that's what you need to worry about. No, see, there you go. I'm just saying.
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Speaker 4: You just said you need to clean up something. I'm just throwing it. No, fake news, no.
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying you're acting.
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Speaker 2: No, I'm trying to make sure that I, like, you know, like when we get into our accidents.
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Speaker 1: If it can clean up herpes, I mean.
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Speaker 3: Dude, tuning forks for different STDs?
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Speaker 1: Like, yo, yo, give me the long one.
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Speaker 2: They're playing an orchestra with that bitch.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? But no.
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Speaker 2: So like, you know, like when we get into head collisions and stuff, they say that what happens is our spine lets go of like a protein.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: And it's poisonous to our bodies. And so like that's how they think sometimes. maybe ALS or diseases, getting stuff like that. So like, I'm just trying to clean up like, I mean, maybe you can fix your weak ass knee.
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Speaker 1: My knees are fucked up. But that's what I'm saying though.
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Speaker 2: So like, so I got, so this week I got the battery and I got the, and I got the, I mean the charger. I got the battery pack charger for the apocalypse.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Walking dead scenario. And I got that. But that's enough of me. You were out west.
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Speaker 2: And you had some fun, man. You are now proudly a silver member.
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Speaker 1: Silver member. You know what I'm saying?
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Speaker 3: Let's go.
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Speaker 2: That means you get an extra juice box and peanuts. You ain't really accomplished shit yet.
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Speaker 1: You get the good snacks, man. You get the good snacks.
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Speaker 2: You ain't accomplished shit until you get to that diamond platinum. But as much as you working... You might get there quicker than me. I didn't realize people took it seriously.
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Speaker 1: That shit's real talk. People use it as kind of like, I'm better than them. They shame the shit out of you. They do.
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Speaker 4: And this lady kind of pulled a big boy move. She was like, I'm a diamond member. She was having some dialogue with the person. Because they check you when you walk in. And this person was ahead of her. And the lady was like, excuse me, I'm a Diamond member.
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Speaker 1: I shouldn't be waiting. And the dude was like, yeah, man.
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Speaker 4: Who he was talking to, he kind of put her to the side. And she kind of looked at him like, don't ever let that happen again. Not just because you're a fucking Diamond member. If I was that person, I said, bitch, as you should.
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Speaker 1: You 70. Bitch, you been flying since the Concourses out. Bitch, you ain't nothing special.
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Speaker 4: But I don't know what she had going on, but all she said was I was a Diamond member. Homeboy checked her credentials, and he stopped that conversation, put old girl to the side, and he was like, yeah, right away, man.
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Speaker 1: I would have flipped the fuck out. I just didn't.
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Speaker 4: So I'm learning. My wife knows more about this. I'm learning as I go, especially Bart's right. I just came from L.A., did a lot of good stuff out in L.A., met a lot of people, so it was awesome. But the travel world, you don't realize people.
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Speaker 1: Live on airplanes in real time, though. We got spoiled because we chartered everything.
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Speaker 4: Yes, but you got people who are on planes and pajamas, and when they get off plane, they're putting in their corporate outfit. They're doing their hair, they're doing their makeup, and they're hitting it. So you're like, man, this is a different world. Because when we get on planes, it's more about comfort for us. We just want to be comfortable, and wherever we get to, we'll change. This one dude... because I had landed in LA late. I got in like one in the morning and this dude was like, Damn, it looked like he damn near his pajamas. When I went to the bathroom, dude came out like he was ready for the club. Like, I mean, he just like, he, I was just like, God damn.
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Speaker 1: So you go to LA, you on a big plane too.
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Speaker 4: So yeah, but it's just, it's just a different world out there. So LA was wild, man. I do say I went out to Venice beach. I did some men on the street stuff. I know we're going to get into it.
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Speaker 1: We got a lot of content. We want to shoot. New segment coming soon. Coming out in the streets. We'll in wild. That's a street meet. It was, it was great. He was looking like street meet out there at Venice beach, man.
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Speaker 3: It was hot, right?
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Speaker 1: Remember that episode of Martin? It's your almondy self.
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Speaker 3: You big almond.
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Speaker 1: I do tell you what, hotel life is a different dog, too, though. Yeah. Like, I was... I mean, first of all, I stayed at the Ritz, so I was... I saw Common.
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Speaker 2: Yo, shout out to Common. Shout out to Common, right? Love Common, Chicago, my Midwest brother, right?
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Speaker 1: You know? We've been acquainted, right? Are you guys Eskimo brothers, too? No, no, no.
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Speaker 3: We've seen his picture on the internet.
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Speaker 1: So, like, I'm coming out of Dumbo House, right? You know what I'm saying? And, um... in Brooklyn, right? Soho House, right?
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Speaker 2: So I'm sitting there, like, and he got a security guard with him, right? And the security guard looking at me, it's all short, like, why are you looking at him? And Con, like, oh, shit, Bart Scott, what up, baby? You know what I'm saying?
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Speaker 1: I love you, right?
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Speaker 2: And then he kind of, like, pump your fucking brakes back there before I check your EZ button, you know what I'm saying?
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Speaker 1: The motherfucker in the back.
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Speaker 4: Common is the most moisturized nigga I've ever seen in my life, man. This motherfucking skin was so moisturized. I'm like, man, Jennifer Hudson probably slide right off this nigga, right? But this is the crazy part. Gave some dap. The ashiest hands I ever had. I'm guilty of that. That shit was like sandpaper.
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Speaker 1: Bruh, I'm guilty of that. How are you so moisturized? I'm guilty.
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Speaker 4: Your fucking inside your palms feel like fucking great, what, 99 grade.
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Speaker 1: Sandpaper and shit. I've lubed up.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you've made fun of my, like, now I'm a little ashy. But like, I've lubed up, got everything going. But somehow I missed these. And this is where you start.
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Speaker 1: Yes. I don't know how the goddamn happened. Now, if you ever catch my hands. Oh, can we talk about something real quick? I'm going to cut you off. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. But I know you're educated in this. See, that's the setup. Hold on. My boy gave me credit. Look, he's readjusting. He's getting comfortable.
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Speaker 3: Here we go.
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Speaker 1: I don't think the black nod exists anymore. I just, bro, I just talked about this. I did the pivot.
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Speaker 4: I was on a plane. Go back to when I was traveling, right? So I'm on the plane, though, and Bart is right. I was sitting in first class. So everybody's got their pods, right? So everybody got their little pods.
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Speaker 1: And there was this other brother.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 1: He had the whole L.A. thing, like the beanie, the shades, the white shirt. Above the ear, too. The whole situation. Pack a sack. He looked cool. He gave me Pharrell vibes, right?
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Speaker 4: And so, shout out, I was actually sitting next to Ron Darling, ex-Met, covers the Mets and.
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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Yeah, that's my dude. Yeah, Ron was awesome.
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Speaker 4: So, Ron, he was nice to me, but he was trying to do his thing. So, anyway, so I'm sitting there, you know, getting settled in. And his brother was sitting in front of me. He wants to get up and go to the bathroom that was behind me. Whatever, it's late flight, you know. And I see him and I was like, locked eyes. And he was like, so I'm like, oh, he didn't see me.
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking it's me now. I'm thinking it's me, right? So cool.
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Speaker 4: Next time he walks by me and the stewardess is in the aisle. So he has to wait till they switch. So when he turns and kind of scans over, now he's like, he's like damn near over me. So I'm just like, he's like, I'm like, in my head, I'm like, I gave it to you twice? I gave it to you twice? You should have donkey kicked his ass. Bart, but you know when you're conscious of it? Because I'm thinking the first time, like, oh, he maybe had to go to the bathroom.
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Speaker 1: He just wasn't tripping.
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Speaker 4: So the second time, I know you see me because I'm staring at you, and I know I.
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Speaker 1: Pause with the, and he was just like, I'm from Malibu. I'm from Malibu. I've never been around black people.
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Speaker 4: He hit me with it three times. Let me tell you the third time. We get to goddamn baggage claim, right? They got, but so this is, this is not, I know I should, mother, this, woo. We get to baggage claim and there was a person with my name waiting for me, right?
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Speaker 1: Big time. Right. So now I know you big time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: He know you big time. Hold up. They be calling my TMZ camera. Oh my God. Oh my God. Mind you, I'm in, I'm in like short shit. You know, I'm in bullshit.
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Speaker 4: I got, I got my flip flops on. You got bad feet. I get my, I get my luggage, right? And I had like a little Asian man that was, I was like, I felt bad for him. I'm like, my shit too big, though. You don't break your back on my shit. You want to get on a ride? So I'm getting my conveyor belt. I'm getting my shit off the conveyor belt and helping this dude put my luggage on.
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Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, Mr. Colon, let's go over here. Let's, you know, cars. I'm like, yeah, come on, let's go. It's late.
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Speaker 4: Now he's, he's like on the other side. And as we're passing him, I see him again. But this time I'm like, fuck you. Well, now I didn't even give him the, fuck you. He gives me the nod.
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Speaker 2: Oh.
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Speaker 1: And so I said. So you.
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Speaker 4: Remember that thing that Nori said, the story about Nori?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. You ever heard the story about Nori when he took his dad back? When he took the dad back? Yeah. You should have took your dad back.
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Speaker 4: So this time he sees me, he's like. And I just looked at him like this. I just stared at him as I walked by. And I kept looking at him. He just looked at me. He just put his head down.
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Speaker 1: I'm just like... See, that's L.A., though. No, that's L.A. What can you do for me, brother? We were both in first class. So if you're on that bullshit.
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Speaker 2: You could have got a buddy pass from somebody.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
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Speaker 3: He was going home versus you were coming to visit.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 3: And he was in L.A.
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Speaker 1: He's looking down at you. He can tell you where in L.A. you're going. But I'm big on the not.
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Speaker 2: Especially like wherever. If I see somebody... But L.A. is a place where what can you do for me, brother?
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Speaker 1: Correct.
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Speaker 2: Now, I see you got... Somebody waiting with your name. You somebody. I might need you. Now I'm going to hit you with the nod, brother.
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Speaker 3: It's kind of like walking around with a resume on your forehead. And if it's not good, they're looking around the corner to see who else is in the room while they're.
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Speaker 4: Broke my heart, though. I thought we were better. I think universally, like, we got a lot of shit going on. Nolan Wells, you know what I mean? Trump's still fucking in office. Like, we got a lot of shit going on as a community. We got to be unified. And all I'm saying, by the way, I'm not asking about fucking money. I'm not asking about who you are. All I'm saying is, like, I see you black men.
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Speaker 1: All right, what's going on? He hit me with the.
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Speaker 2: I said, you hit me with it twice? He might have called security on you. You know you're Puerto Rican. He might have tried to get you deported.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he... You might want to check his papers. Wait, he's deported?
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Speaker 2: You know what happens when you sit in your seat and it says your name on it?
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Speaker 1: He probably saw a cologne and said, hey, check his papers.
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Speaker 3: They spelled that name wrong?
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Speaker 1: Check his papers. But dog, it was just like.
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Speaker 4: Universally, I'm gonna say, if I see you, if we're at an award ceremony, we're in a bank, if you give me the nod, I'm like, what's up, brother? And by you, just for you, we can critique how the nod goes. It only takes two seconds.
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Speaker 1: It's not like, if I don't know, Bart, I see you, I'm like... That's it. That's all of it. It's not like, oh, let's converse.
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Speaker 3: Let's phone.
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Speaker 1: I know your heart hurts, brother. I know some bullshit going on, brother.
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Speaker 4: But the fact that he denied the nod twice, I'm like, is it not a thing no more? Does this not exist? Are we out here just nodding and getting rejected? Where's Willie's camera? Straight shot right there. Look into that camera. Because he might mess around and be watching. Might hit on his thread or something.
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Speaker 1: Tell him, fuck you. Hey, whoever you are. Hacky sack man.
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Speaker 4: Hacky sack man who was sitting in, I think you was in 5B.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Or I think he was in 4B. This is, I mean this with all sincerity. Fuck you. Yeah. There you go. Exactly. Piece of shit. Piece of shit. Motherfuckers like you. Right. Be better, black man. All right. Let's get on topic.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, before we get to Thursday Night Football and react to that, what is life like being on the road for you guys? Let's start with players first. Because you're away from your families all the time. You're going to cities maybe you don't know very well. So what's the whole road game as a player for NFL?
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Speaker 2: It depends on which Willie or which Bart you want to talk about.
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So it's a different Willie, it's a different Bart. But let me say something.
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Speaker 3: All right, door A, door B.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to say one thing. Football players have it the worst. Right?
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Speaker 2: Because we have it the worst because we're in your city for like a day and we're out a day and a half, right?
00:19:15
Speaker 1: So we can't indulge. We can't have fun.
00:19:18
Speaker 2: We get like, bro, you should see the limos and the cars running. So when guys get there, especially in Miami, they can get to the strip club. Whenever you see strippers getting paid at like 5 or 7 o'clock, that's because our meeting's at 7.30 and we're getting all our money's worth and we got like an hour or two to come back.
00:19:37
Speaker 1: I'll be back. We'll be back. Keep it hot. We're going to go to this meet for an hour and a half. We got to eat our postgame.
00:19:43
Speaker 2: And we're back. And then we're trying to beat curfew. Baseball players get to stay there for a week.
00:19:48
Speaker 1: They got a series. They there.
00:19:51
Speaker 2: That's why baseball players, ain't your boy Bartolo Colon, like it was stories that he had a whole family in the Heights.
00:19:56
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? A whole nother family in the Heights.
00:19:58
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Dominican ball players, they got a lot of situations going on.
00:20:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, COVID fact-checked everyone real quick.
00:20:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, she got wild.
00:20:05
Speaker 2: Situationships, right? Basketball players come. They might be on the East Coast for an entire East Coast run, right? Football players, we coming out on Saturday night. evening, depending on how far the flight is. We check it in and then we got to be back at roll call or bed check by 11. But in between that, we have meetings where we have to go have our meetings and have our little highlight video. And then guys are trying to burn rubber to get back out.
00:20:33
Speaker 1: I got put on game real fast.
00:20:34
Speaker 4: How life on the road was for NFL players. My rookie year. This is my rookie year. This is Mike Vick at the Falcons. And we get to Atlanta.
00:20:43
Speaker 1: Lemon pepper.
00:20:44
Speaker 4: And the older guys, like Joey Porter and all those guys, they were somehow gone.
00:20:49
Speaker 1: They just took off, right? And so I remember, like, why?
00:20:52
Speaker 4: Because, you know, when you check in, once you settle it in your bags, we try to get around each other as much as we can.
00:20:58
Speaker 1: Go eat. And then I remember one of my... Shout out to my homie Trey. He was like, man, the guys went to Magic City. Now, I had at this point only heard about Magic City. It was like this Mount Olympus on the mountains, right? You're like, yo, it's open? Yeah, now I got money in my pocket, right? So now I got a little something. I'm like, man, let's go to Magic City. Let's go join the guys.
00:21:15
Speaker 3: It's open eight days a week, right?
00:21:16
Speaker 1: Man, we go to Magic City, and then we walk in.
00:21:18
Speaker 4: The defense is over there, and there's money flying in this motherfucker.
00:21:22
Speaker 2: Rob Markman, They got money before they got on a plane. Rob Markman, You know what I'm saying?
00:21:26
Speaker 1: Rob Markman, But it looked like somebody was shooting out money canyons. It was just dollars everywhere.
00:21:29
Speaker 3: Rob Markman, Like those booths with the wind and they're just trying to catch the money?
00:21:31
Speaker 4: Rob Markman, Bro, but it was so, we get into Magic City and it's just ass, money, and chicken, right? And so I'm hella raw to this. So I'm sitting there just taking it all in, looking at the girls and shit. And I hear one of the homies go, hey man, we got to get back before they check.
00:21:48
Speaker 1: Rob Markman, The meeting. Rob Markman, Yeah, we had meetings, right? All of a sudden, man, I see everybody that was there take off, just run.
00:21:56
Speaker 4: I mean, it was like a motherfucker just take a woman, put them over here, take a woman, put it in their pocket, and they were just off.
00:22:02
Speaker 1: Well, they ain't got no ride. You took a cab there?
00:22:04
Speaker 3: Yeah!
00:22:04
Speaker 1: I'm green as fuck!
00:22:06
Speaker 3: He's a motherfucker.
00:22:08
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting there. They got drivers. So yes, they had drivers. They're pros, right? My rookie ass, right? So I'm sitting there. Can you call me a yoga cat, please? I got the holes.
00:22:18
Speaker 4: I got the money at the wings. I'm just like, oh, where everybody go? And so the guys take off. Sure enough, one of my homeboys' homies lived there. And I'm like, he's like, hey, man, you not going with them? And I was a young boy. So, like, I wasn't there yet.
00:22:34
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You'll be out of the start. You'll be out of the rotation. No question. They might send your ass home.
00:22:39
Speaker 4: Man, my homeboy, so we jump in my homeboy's car and we're doing fucking 95 to 100 flying through these Atlanta streets. And we take the back staircase, like we got off of a floor, what did we stay in like four? Because we used to stay like, you know, NFL teams, they take up at least three floors.
00:22:54
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:22:55
Speaker 4: Right.
00:22:55
Speaker 1: Security on each floor. I think we were on the fourth floor.
00:22:57
Speaker 4: So I got off on the second floor because I could hear, I got off.
00:23:00
Speaker 1: On the second floor. They starting to check. Yeah.
00:23:02
Speaker 4: And I could hear our guys, because they usually, it's usually like your strength coach and whatever, and they're hitting the doors. Man, I can hear all the older guys, like a stampede, running to their rooms.
00:23:14
Speaker 1: Man, I get to my room, I don't have my motherfucking room key.
00:23:18
Speaker 4: So now, one of my whole, I forgot who it was, his door was open, so I just jump in his door and I'm acting like I'm chilling.
00:23:24
Speaker 1: I'm sweating. I got glitter all over myself. I got ones falling out of my pocket.
00:23:28
Speaker 3: You're like, this playbook's stressful, man.
00:23:30
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can.
00:23:31
Speaker 4: Not even that.
00:23:32
Speaker 1: I got, you know, the sporks. I got a spork in my pocket.
00:23:37
Speaker 4: So I know if a shrimp coach name was Chet. So Chet's like, Willie, why are you? He's like, why are you in this room? He's like, you're supposed to be down the hall.
00:23:43
Speaker 1: What's going on? He's like, you know, let's get you to your room. And I'm a rookie.
00:23:45
Speaker 4: So now I'm like, whatever they say, you just got to do.
00:23:47
Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh, I was just, you know, doing. He's like, all right, cool. And as I'm walking by, I can see Peezy and all of them. They just sit there like, shit. Like, they almost got you. Shit, we're close. You hope he don't snitch on you.
00:24:00
Speaker 4: That was my first experience on the road on how, like, what do ball plays do? They try to, to Bart's point, They try to take what players do in a week, and we try to do it in two hours. So we hit that hotel, we drop our bags, we try to see the hoes, we try to get to the food, we try.
00:24:16
Speaker 1: To get to the people, and then we gotta get right back to business. So... Now, the married Willie and Bart... Right?
00:24:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's life on the road like now?
00:24:27
Speaker 1: It's a little different. Kids, iPads. This is what I didn't like.
00:24:32
Speaker 2: I was never the person that says, hey, come on the road, and we're going to make this like a family vacation because I'm here on business. So don't think that you're going to come to the city.
00:24:42
Speaker 1: I mean, all the.
00:24:42
Speaker 2: Wives want to go to Miami, right? Or they want to go to California. They want to go all the warm weather places where they want to hang out. Don't think this is going to be one of those things where we're going to go have dinner together or I'm going to be with the kids.
00:24:52
Speaker 1: I'm locked in. When I'm on the road, and I used to hate that.
00:24:55
Speaker 2: I remember doing the playoffs, like dudes bringing their girls and out walking with them on South Beach.
00:25:00
Speaker 1: Bro, this is a playoff game, bro. If you fuck up tomorrow, we lose. I'm whooping your ass. You know what I'm saying? It's time to lock in. This is about business.
00:25:10
Speaker 2: And I used to hate that when people used to turn those trips and they'd be out there like, parading and having a date night with their wife. That's the dumbest shit I've ever seen in my life because there's nothing worse than being distracted. See, when you're on the road, what I love about being on the road is it's like that bunker mentality amongst your teammates. It's your opportunity to grow and learn them. Like, if it's not a place where they have late-night adult entertainment, like, we at dinner.
00:25:35
Speaker 1: Right? We had dinner at the nice spot. We eating. We were bonding. We're learning about each other. We locking in. We talking football. We watching.
00:25:42
Speaker 2: We watching like the college football. Like guys are for certain universities. So like they checking out like their team.
00:25:48
Speaker 1: This bet.
00:25:48
Speaker 4: Then you also got to realize like I was one of those guys late in my career. Once we got through the dinner bars talking about what we picked the restaurant. We all eat together and then we would come back meetings all evening. Then, you know, I would stay up an extra three hours and for treatment.
00:26:04
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
00:26:04
Speaker 4: So I was getting acupuncture, especially with the way my knees would go out. Like I needed acupuncture. I needed somebody to stretch me out. And, you know, I had all the gadgets to try to keep you warm through the night, keep you loose. And so, to Bart's point, this was not about being in them streets.
00:26:20
Speaker 1: Especially if you're playing. Yeah, when you're having fun. Yeah, this shit was like... And then, I hated.
00:26:25
Speaker 4: I never slept in Baltimore. Anytime we played the Baltimore Ravens... And I'm being deadass.
00:26:30
Speaker 1: Is that your favorite spot to go to work? So, what's your favorite... Well, tell your Baltimore story.
00:26:35
Speaker 4: Well, it's going to be in alignment with yours. My favorite stadium to play in was Baltimore. My favorite place to go... Worst place to go, excuse me, was Baltimore.
00:26:44
Speaker 1: Because.
00:26:46
Speaker 4: you know, the genesis of this podcast is that we were enemies and now we're friends. But I try to tell people what was, like, the minutiae, like, the gravity of our rivalry was because you knew your manhood was going to be challenged. And I'm not talking on some, like, gladiator type shit. Like, your shit was going to be checked. And I remember one time Troy Palomaro said one time, because we had a couple young guys who weren't necessarily used to what they were about to walk into. They didn't know the rivalry. They didn't know what it was. They were just saying what they heard on TV, the media, and how we all built up. And I remember TP was like, yeah, don't go from gangsta to girl. Like, don't be in this locker room. talking about all this whoop-de-whoop shit, and you got to see Bart Scott. And what they used to do, they used to come out the locker room greased up.
00:27:29
Speaker 1: LBG! Linebacker grease. They used to run on the field.
00:27:33
Speaker 3: They had the common lotion.
00:27:34
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you used to see these black helmets with these black visors, these black brothers.
00:27:39
Speaker 1: All lubed up, greased up.
00:27:41
Speaker 4: And by the way, they on the other half of the field, they talking whoop-de-de-whoop shit. You may not know what they're saying, but you know they cussing you out. Like, fuck y'all stealing that or that. So I used to tell the young guys, like, dog, Whatever they saying, they about to say it right here. And they ain't blinking when they hit. They going to hit and they going to keep hitting for four quarters. So don't come out in this bitch talking what you going to do in this locker room. And then when we turn on the tape, you get rolled like cheap carpet. Most physical team wins.
00:28:06
Speaker 1: Right.
00:28:07
Speaker 4: And so to your point, we believe that. So the night before, man, I would like be up in my bed, dog. Like, I got Haloti tomorrow. Like there's some people like... you hear athletes talking about, like, there's certain people, like, you know your shit is about to get checked.
00:28:21
Speaker 1: And if you ain't about it, even if you heard or not. It's a long day. Even if you heard or not, you about to have a fucking day.
00:28:26
Speaker 4: So I would, like, just constantly think about, like, how I want to attack, how, like, you got to be on your G shit. You can't be no bitch out here. I'm going to give something. I'm going to give something. Yeah, and at some point in that game, whatever you've been taught, whatever you've been prepared for, all that shit going to go out the window, and you're going to be in survival mode. You're going to have to fight like a dog. So I just always had an extra level of ancient anxiety going against Baltimore.
00:28:48
Speaker 1: Like, every other team, I'm like, I always thought, like, I'm a dog. Yeah, I'm going to smack shit out of this. Yeah, I want you. Baltimore, I was always like, we're going to have to fight.
00:28:55
Speaker 2: No, like, the funniest thing, like, I'll say the place that, like, the experience that I had, like, and it's not just a great place.
00:29:01
Speaker 1: It's a shitty place, right? Who's your roommate, by the way? For a long time, I don't remember because we used to get our own room.
00:29:11
Speaker 4: But y'all didn't have the rule? You was only allowed to stay in your room up to five years? So we had a rule for... See, Pittsburgh a little cheap. Y'all know how y'all are. Free agency comes. Y'all don't really spend that money. Shout out Steve Bishotti. We had our own shit. I can't be sharing no toilet with no grown-ass man. You wasn't allowed to have a room to yourself unless you were five years vested in.
00:29:34
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
00:29:36
Speaker 4: But what's crazy, so even if you were another guy... that joined the Steelers, you still had.
00:29:42
Speaker 3: To like Like even if you were a 13-year vet in the league, it had to be five with the Steelers.
00:29:47
Speaker 4: For your first year, you had to be with the Steelers. And then the next year, you were alive. That's an Art Rooney cheap shit right there, bro.
00:29:52
Speaker 1: I guess, bro.
00:29:53
Speaker 4: So you're sitting there, dude, pooping in the middle of the night, man.
00:29:56
Speaker 1: Dude, got to go take a squat. Can I tell you a quick story? And this happened in Baltimore. Please do.
00:30:01
Speaker 4: This is a quick story. So this happened in Baltimore. Shout out to my brother, Max Starks. So I sleep.
00:30:06
Speaker 1: But y'all are like 6'8. Y'all ass swallowed a whole toilet. So I used to sleep. I slept in the nude.
00:30:11
Speaker 2: Oh, God.
00:30:11
Speaker 3: It's like sitting on a thumbtack.
00:30:12
Speaker 1: I slept in a nude. So I'm sleeping in the nude.
00:30:16
Speaker 2: Sleeping in the nude is crazy work, man. You didn't even put shorts on when you got another.
00:30:20
Speaker 3: Night in that bitch?
00:30:21
Speaker 1: I can't sleep with clothes on.
00:30:22
Speaker 3: Not even a sock?
00:30:23
Speaker 4: If me and you was to stay in the room. No, we would never stay in the room. I'm just saying, if we did, I'm sleeping in the nude.
00:30:28
Speaker 3: I got bad news for you, Bart. We got a work trip coming up.
00:30:31
Speaker 4: I sleep in the hallway. Let me get through this real quick. So he's in the one bed. I'm in my bed. We knocked out, right? And so I'm sleeping, and I hear somebody like, hitting my bed like this so I had my back turned so I'm like your back turned is crazy work I'm just telling you what I'm just telling you what the situation so I had my back turned I got the covers over and I can feel my bed like rocking like this and so and I.
00:30:59
Speaker 1: Look and I'm like This motherfucker's sleepwalking though. Sleepwalking. He's walking and hitting my bed. So I'm like, so at this point. Like a glitch on the video game. Yeah. And so I'm like, I'm just like, I'm like, I'm like.
00:31:16
Speaker 4: First of all, if everybody out there, Max Starks is 6'8. He's like 6'8. So he's bigging a motherfucker. So I'm like, I'm like, I was like, what are you doing? And I'm like, Max, what's up, man? So he's not responding.
00:31:28
Speaker 1: He's not talking. He's just, he's just, he's like this. And I'm like, I'm like, Hey man, what the fuck is up?
00:31:33
Speaker 4: So I'm like, so I'm looking at him cause he's not responding back to me. So I'm looking at him and then I looked down the, remember the big dog boxes?
00:31:40
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no. Seriously. Do you remember the big dog boxes? So fat people do. So fat people do. It's all you know, right?
00:31:57
Speaker 4: So they used to have this big dog bread, right?
00:32:01
Speaker 1: And they used to have these underwear. They used to have dogs all over it, right?
00:32:05
Speaker 4: So anyway, so I'm looking down. So I'm scrolling down. So right here where his crotch was was a dog house. And there was a dog popping out. Oh, his meat was about to pop out? No, his meat didn't pop out. So I'm standing there looking, and I'm like, Max... So I'm like, Max, I'm like, what the hell? What the hell's going on?
00:32:23
Speaker 1: So he's not responding. So I realized that he did. He had a sleepwalking problem.
00:32:27
Speaker 2: So there's some information a motherfucker need to tell you before you become roommates.
00:32:31
Speaker 1: Well, he did. But I'd never been a part of nothing like that. So I wanted to trip it. There you go. Is this it? Is this it?
00:32:36
Speaker 4: That wasn't water, but it was a brand. First of all, brother, he is way too grown. If you know Max Starks, he's not a real brand.
00:32:42
Speaker 1: If you know Max Starks, he's not a real brand. Those are the type of boxes.
00:32:45
Speaker 3: Look at these dogs on surfboards and stuff. What is happening here?
00:32:48
Speaker 1: How do you pull this out in front of women? Like, you know what I'm saying?
00:32:53
Speaker 4: They've cleaned it up. It wasn't always like that. They were big, goofy boxes. They used to have, like, a St.
00:32:58
Speaker 1: Bernard on them. Y'all motherfuckers, y'all 20s.
00:32:59
Speaker 3: Oh, my God, dude. Check this out.
00:33:01
Speaker 1: Vintage.
00:33:01
Speaker 3: You could buy these vintage. Like, are these used?
00:33:04
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know. Listen, let's order a pair for Willie so he can have a flashback. Let me finish it. Let me finish it.
00:33:08
Speaker 4: So anyway, so I see he got these. I'm like, man, what the fuck is going on? So I realize he's sleepwalking. And I'm saying, fuck. So they tell you, what do they tell you?
00:33:18
Speaker 1: Don't wake him up. Don't wake him up. Because they can get violent. Correct. And Max is big than a motherfucker. I didn't want to get washed up.
00:33:24
Speaker 4: Right.
00:33:25
Speaker 1: And I'm an asshole. I'm ass naked getting beat up by a man in big dog boxes. And then the security guy comes out and break it up.
00:33:31
Speaker 4: And they see y'all naked wrestling. This shit would have been all the way left. So I get out the bed, though.
00:33:36
Speaker 1: Right. And there you go. That's it right there.
00:33:38
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:33:38
Speaker 1: That's exactly what it is. That's what your nightmare is? Right.
00:33:41
Speaker 4: So I get out the bed, though. And I go behind him. Right.
00:33:45
Speaker 1: And I turned him.
00:33:45
Speaker 4: Yo, you go around him, you naked. What the fuck is going on? I'm just telling you what happened. That would have been a great time to put some underwear on first. And then go behind him. You went behind a dude naked. I'm telling you what I did. You're decision making, brother.
00:33:59
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. So I got behind him, dog, and I turned his shoulders like this, right?
00:34:03
Speaker 4: I'm like behind him. I turned his big ass shoulders. And no bullshit you, he kind of like just went.
00:34:07
Speaker 1: He started walking straight? No, he started walking back to his bed, put the covers on himself, went to sleep. Real talk. Get back in the bed. So, mind you... Did y'all talk about this? Hold on. Mind you, I can't go back to sleep. It's already Baltimore. You got trauma. I don't took two ambience before this motherfucker.
00:34:25
Speaker 4: I'm traumatized because I don't want this motherfucker to wake back up.
00:34:28
Speaker 1: So, I don't sleep, though. And by the way, it's a night game. So I don't sleep, though. I can't go to sleep. Because you know how it is when you wake up. You got to go to breakfast. You got to meet. And then you're trying to get treatment.
00:34:39
Speaker 4: So I have been up since 3 o'clock all the way up to the Sunday night game. So when I woke up that next morning, I'm sitting on the edge of bed like this.
00:34:46
Speaker 1: Eyes red as fuck. Mad. Mad to mother. He's up like a baby.
00:34:50
Speaker 3: He's like, hey, what's up, man?
00:34:52
Speaker 1: He's like, hey. He's like, you all right? You going to get some breakfast? He's like, so he's like, so you know, he got allergies like me. So he's like, yeah. I'm sitting there like this. I'm like... I'm like, dog, you slept well last night. He was like, no, I didn't. I'm like, dog, I promise you, you did. I was like, dog, you got to get that shit under control. He was like, yeah.
00:35:12
Speaker 3: I can't.
00:35:12
Speaker 1: How the fuck am I going to control it? That's what he said. He's like, it's a problem I've had before. He's like, well, you'll be all right. He's like, you want to go get a breakfast, dog? The whole time, I'm like.
00:35:18
Speaker 4: Why the fuck are you going to get breakfast?
00:35:20
Speaker 1: I'm going to get some sleep. Dog, I couldn't. I just couldn't. I couldn't get right.
00:35:23
Speaker 4: So I went into that game, and I was fired up mad. Because I didn't sleep.
00:35:28
Speaker 1: I was hungry. And I just, I can't believe what the fuck I just witnessed.
00:35:32
Speaker 4: And when people tell you to sleep well, you think it's a movie shit.
00:35:35
Speaker 1: But when you see it in.
00:35:36
Speaker 3: Real life, you're like, oh, this is some real shit. This is some paranormal activity shit.
00:35:40
Speaker 1: So after that, we stopped.
00:35:41
Speaker 4: That was our last year of being roommates.
00:35:46
Speaker 3: You put him on a leash or anything? Before you go to bed, you wrap him up so he can only get so far?
00:35:50
Speaker 1: No, I just told him, don't ever do that shit again. He's like, how the fuck? I can't control that. He can't control it. It never happened again.
00:35:55
Speaker 2: At least he didn't start pass setting on your ass in that bitch.
00:35:58
Speaker 1: Can you imagine if he hit me with this shit, bro? Or you're lucky he didn't walk around and glitch and get in the bed with you.
00:36:04
Speaker 3: All right, Willie, grab your phone here. I got the phone number for Big Dogs. We're going to cold call him. See if we can get a sponsor.
00:36:10
Speaker 2: You fucking traumatized. My least favorite spot. to go to was Cincinnati. And it wasn't because, first of all.
00:36:17
Speaker 3: Because you land in Kentucky?
00:36:19
Speaker 1: Yes!
00:36:19
Speaker 2: No, the crazy part, man, like, I don't know if it ever happened with you, but it always felt like whenever we was playing them, the Ku Klux Klan was having their annual rally downtown.
00:36:29
Speaker 1: What? Yes! Yes!
00:36:31
Speaker 2: Every time we went, like, dudes out there in the Grand Marshal, like, and they'd be out, like, first of all, like, I went there, some kid got killed downtown, and so they were bored kind of downtown one year. And then, like, at least three times when I went there, they had, like, the National, like, Ku Klux Klan rally. And so just imagine, you pull up in a bunch of buses... And Baltimore black. That come off the bus black. Baltimore black. We talk about how the Philadelphia Sixers go, the 76ers go be black.
00:37:00
Speaker 1: Baltimore, everybody black. General manager black.
00:37:04
Speaker 4: When they come off the bus, they look like your local YMCA. They come off looking mean and black. Yo, we get off that bitch, and they see all these black people getting out, I say, I wish a motherfucker. wood you try that white power bullshit today you gonna find out today you gonna get that ass wood and we made sure we walked around in clicks but every time we were there like remember they used to have that skating rink yeah yeah that outdoor skating rink down there we always parked there and.
00:37:27
Speaker 2: They had downtown like where they little bullshit ass mall was at but every time I was there like it was like the Grand Marshall was always there man and Skyline Chili some bullshit that whole situation that shit water and beans yeah they pride themselves for starting a potato chip nobody give.
00:37:39
Speaker 1: A fuck Yeah, I remember that.
00:37:41
Speaker 2: Shout out to Dave Chappelle, though.
00:37:44
Speaker 3: I was just going to pull up there.
00:37:45
Speaker 2: Is he from Cincinnati? No, he lives out there on a farm. No, he's from D.C., but also Gary Owens, too. Gary Owens from out there.
00:37:50
Speaker 1: Oh, Gary Owens.
00:37:51
Speaker 3: Shout out to T-Robe.
00:37:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had some beef together one time talking shit about the Bengals.
00:37:57
Speaker 4: So I was listening to somebody else's podcast, and they were talking about legit rivalries and beef, and obviously they mentioned Raven Steelers.
00:38:04
Speaker 1: But is the Baltimore Ravens Cincinnati Bengals? No, we don't give a fuck about them.
00:38:10
Speaker 4: They bump that up, but I'm like.
00:38:13
Speaker 1: You know how you always have a team that think they your rival? You're like, man, we don't even acknowledge y'all weak-ass motherfuckers, right? Who was y'all team?
00:38:20
Speaker 2: Because y'all had some beef because the Bengals were good for a little bit for y'all.
00:38:24
Speaker 4: Well, our beef started with the Bengals because of T.J. Huchmanzada rubbing the yellow towel in 05.
00:38:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. When he kind of polished this fucking... On a shoe, yeah.
00:38:33
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they had beat us, and then... And then Burflick almost killed... Burflick, yeah.
00:38:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, almost killed... So the Bengals are kind of our pseudo-robbery, yeah.
00:38:39
Speaker 2: But I didn't know if that was for you, too. Nah, we don't fuck. Man, it's fucking scrub salads, man. We didn't get fucked by no bungles. All right, we're going to take a quick break. Come on back to the Barton Willie Show. Welcome on back to the Barton Willie Show. Thursday night football under wraps. And the Shockers.
00:38:54
Speaker 1: Lost.
00:38:55
Speaker 4: Lost to the Atlanta Falcons at their home opener, by the way, which we don't know.
00:39:00
Speaker 1: First time they did that in 13 years. Yeah. First time they lost their opener in 13 years. So biggest takeaway, Bart. They're in trouble. Who's in trouble? The Green Bay Packers. Yep, I agree.
00:39:10
Speaker 2: I mean, they should have lost to the Jets the year before. Do you know, like, with the Jets game, like, it was the first time teams were 44-0 when they win the turnover battle, hold the team, the opposing team, under.
00:39:25
Speaker 4: 200 yards of total offense. and win the turnover battle. Yeah, Green Bay only rushed to get 65 yards.
00:39:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had 199 yards. And that's the biggest problem when you look at that game. They weren't able to run the ball at all. And on the flip side, B. John Robinson, man. Like, I know we have this debate. He's in the MVP category right now. We have this debate. Well, they won't win enough games to be in the category because I still think that the Saints are the team to beat there.
00:39:49
Speaker 3: That is so bad. Four carries, 11 yards.
00:39:52
Speaker 1: But that's Josh Jacobs. I mean, that's Jacobs' fault, right?
00:39:56
Speaker 2: Because we think when Jacobs comes back, it's just going to automatically switch.
00:40:00
Speaker 1: But that offensive line has been getting their ass whooped.
00:40:02
Speaker 4: Well, three out of their five, the right tackle didn't play. And one of their guards didn't play. And on top of that, I think three out of their five guys, some of them are undrafted free agents.
00:40:11
Speaker 1: So they're a little raw. Because the Packers never draft linemen.
00:40:15
Speaker 2: And, you know, you think about without Matthew Golden, they never really draft high-end receivers as well.
00:40:22
Speaker 1: And like Jordan Love, you know, his stat line wasn't that bad. He threw for 300.
00:40:25
Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, whenever you see somebody threw the football 53 times, you know that's ass kicking.
00:40:31
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? You know, like they trying to catch up.
00:40:34
Speaker 2: But, you know, Michael Penix came back, and it seemed like this offense– yo, found his stride.
00:40:39
Speaker 4: It was interesting about Michael Pettis because I think he went one for five on his first drive and threw a pick.
00:40:43
Speaker 1: And it was almost like he just needed to get that out the way. And then from then on, he was cold. He just took off.
00:40:48
Speaker 2: I mean, you talk about B. John Robinson almost 200 yards rushing. I tried to put Brees up there in that category with him.
00:40:57
Speaker 1: I think Brees is.
00:41:00
Speaker 2: Right now, we're in this whole category thing where people talk S-tier, all that stuff. S-tier, I think it's got to be B. John Robinson... Maybe Christian McCaffrey and Jameer Gibbs and K-9. Right now they're playing at a different level, but then Drake London almost have 200 yards receiving.
00:41:18
Speaker 4: Well, between both of them, they have 400 yards of offense, which is stupid. But I want to say this about the Falcons. I thought the Packers, first of all, the Packers front seven, all they had to do was not let B. John Robinson be the security blanket for Michael Penix.
00:41:34
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:41:35
Speaker 4: They couldn't do that, right? But one more time. Michael Penix right now, you can see the state. He was such a stabilizer last night that everybody else was like, you tell everybody, was like.
00:41:45
Speaker 1: Could breathe. The team could breathe. You saw it in real time. To a tongue of a little, I was like, whew, I ain't got to get in there. Because he was the emergency backup. He was like, thank God. My oblique. He was like, thank God this motherfucker. But I've never seen a team on the road look so comfortable. When you can run the ball like that. After coming off a pick. They threw a pick the first drive, and it was like.
00:42:05
Speaker 4: It was a close game in the early.
00:42:07
Speaker 1: They blocked that field goal, I think, changed everything. Sure.
00:42:10
Speaker 2: They blocked the field goal. It was going to be 10-10. They got that field position, went down and scored. And then when they tried to stop Bijan, then you got London on the backside. And people forget how great that offensive line is.
00:42:21
Speaker 1: I tell you what. It's a very good offense. Yeah, yeah.
00:42:24
Speaker 2: Anchored by Matthews on the left side. He got beat by that kid number 90.
00:42:29
Speaker 1: Van Ness? Luke Van Ness.
00:42:31
Speaker 2: When Parsons comes back, I feel better about the Jets when Van Ness is able to do that to Matthews.
00:42:39
Speaker 4: Van Ness is just coming along because for a while now, people knew.
00:42:44
Speaker 1: His potential.
00:42:44
Speaker 2: He's a first-round draft pick in 2023. Yeah. He's in his third year and the game starts going down. He reminds me like them old-school, like, Vanderbosch-type guy.
00:42:53
Speaker 4: Correct.
00:42:53
Speaker 1: Because he, like, he ain't little. He, like, sitting... Now he's full up.
00:42:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, he like Trey Henderson if Trey Henderson had muscles.
00:42:59
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
00:42:59
Speaker 3: And look at that hair, too, man.
00:43:01
Speaker 4: You know what's so interesting, too? Man, he looks like Green Bay Pack. I don't know if you've ever been a part of this.
00:43:06
Speaker 1: He does. So there's a clip of Michael Parsons.
00:43:09
Speaker 2: So.
00:43:10
Speaker 1: Packers are getting dog-walked right now.
00:43:12
Speaker 4: There's a clip of Mike Parsons standing in front of the defense, and he's talking, right?
00:43:16
Speaker 1: And you can tell everybody got their head– like, they're not listening. They're not listening no more.
00:43:20
Speaker 4: And I just– I've never– so I've been injured enough where I've been fortunate enough, too, where anything I've ever said to the office line or anybody in the office, they've been like, yeah, Willie, I hear you bet.
00:43:29
Speaker 1: They've received it. But you don't talk that much. Correct. But he looks like a guy that talks all the time.
00:43:33
Speaker 4: But you're starting to see it, though. Like, where guys are like, dog, just– Go on. Get enough.
00:43:38
Speaker 1: Save it for your podcast. We're fucking losing to the Falcons at home, my G.
00:43:42
Speaker 4: I get you're him, but whatever you tell me right now ain't helping what the fuck I need to do out there.
00:43:47
Speaker 1: So tell me this. Here you go. Look at this. Look, Van Ness is his guy.
00:43:51
Speaker 2: Van Ness is his guy who he mentored because he told him about a pass rush that was working and they told the story about him.
00:43:58
Speaker 1: Look at old boy talking right there. Look, look at the dude in the back with the hoodie. He's like, oh, shit. He's like, man, this motherfucker.
00:44:03
Speaker 4: Right.
00:44:03
Speaker 5: Like, shut the fuck. Look, old boy looking at it. Look, ain't nobody looking. Van Ness actually turns his head as soon as he starts talking to him. He's like, bro, that move ain't worth it. Who gives a fuck about that move right there? Was there anybody on your team like that? Who just wouldn't stop talking?
00:44:18
Speaker 1: Well, that probably was me. But they listened to me, though.
00:44:23
Speaker 4: Right.
00:44:23
Speaker 1: But they listened to me. But it was just that clip.
00:44:26
Speaker 4: So that clip's been going viral about, you know, everybody's just like in a dog fight and Mike Parsons is on the soapbox talking.
00:44:31
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, man. Here's the thing. They gave up.
00:44:33
Speaker 2: They still owe Dallas a first-round draft pick. And that first-round draft pick, in turn, belongs to the Jets because they get the number one.
00:44:41
Speaker 1: They get the better pick. Correct.
00:44:43
Speaker 4: Right?
00:44:43
Speaker 1: And right now, I don't know. Between, like, I said this before the start of the season. I said I believed.
00:44:49
Speaker 2: That with Kyler Murray, I thought that the Minnesota Vikings would win that division, because I thought they had the more complete offensive weapons.
00:44:56
Speaker 1: I didn't. I know a lot of people saw that train.
00:44:58
Speaker 2: I still, I wasn't... TJ Hodgeson, who's like a Laporta type of guy, like he was with the Lions, and he's outstanding.
00:45:07
Speaker 1: He got injured with his knee, but he's back. You got... Addison, Jefferson, and Jenkins? Yep.
00:45:12
Speaker 2: Bro, you can't ask for better skill position players than that. And they got a solid offensive line. They got Aaron Jones running the ball. Like, they won nine games last year with the worst quarterback play in the history of football.
00:45:24
Speaker 1: See, that's where, I guess, my take. J.J. McCarthy is... A bad football player. Bro, I don't believe that.
00:45:29
Speaker 2: That being said, let him go to the Chargers. Or let him go out to the Giants. I don't think J.J. McCarthy's a bad football player.
00:45:36
Speaker 1: You don't think he's a bad football player? No, I don't. I think he just needs time to mature and grow.
00:45:39
Speaker 3: Should he go to the Giants? No, no, no.
00:45:40
Speaker 1: I want to say this. He old as shit. Who, J.J.? Yeah, man. All them dudes coming out now old as shit.
00:45:46
Speaker 4: Anyway, I was going to say, it wasn't about what they had in Minnesota-wise from their team. I just wasn't a believer in Kyler Murray because I saw what Kyler Murray looked like his last couple years in Arizona.
00:45:56
Speaker 1: But you know he better than J.J. McCarthy. And they got Carson Wentz as the backup.
00:46:00
Speaker 4: Right. But once again, I knew they had built a Porsche. They just need somebody to drive it. I didn't think Kyler Murray was worthy of being the guy to drive it. If you don't believe in J.J. McCarthy, fine. I think he's just too young, just needs some development, and they just gave up on him.
00:46:13
Speaker 3: Fine.
00:46:14
Speaker 4: I think if you would have got a better tier quarterback, right? Put Kirk Cousins back with that office and look what that office looks like.
00:46:19
Speaker 1: They're winning with Carson Wentz. Correct.
00:46:24
Speaker 4: But I don't think, even with Carson Wentz, I still didn't think Kyler was suited for that offense.
00:46:30
Speaker 1: Okay, so you don't think Kyler is suited for the offense. That's fine. That's great.
00:46:33
Speaker 2: But you have to admit that if they pick Kyler Murray, what we're seeing from Carson Wentz, Kyler Murray should be an upgrade and a better player within this offense if Carson Wentz is there, which like the Lions don't look like the Lions. We're going to find a lot out about the Lions this week because, you know, They've given up 31 points in their first two games. Yeah, they've given up 35 points. Yeah, in the first two games. So we're going to find out a lot about them this week, too. So within that division, Chicago, Caleb, well, maybe he's back, maybe he's not. We thought that the Bears season was over with.
00:47:08
Speaker 4: Well, see, the Bears don't bother me because they have enough of an ecosystem where they can survive. They've got a run game. They've got a really good offensive line. They got a slew of titles. Their defense is porous as shit.
00:47:19
Speaker 1: No question.
00:47:20
Speaker 2: So, right now, if you had to pick who you thought was going to be the winner of that division.
00:47:24
Speaker 1: Right now? Right. Minnesota. Go ahead and say it. Minnesota. No, I'm still going to say Chicago. Okay. Didn't they beat Chicago? They sure did.
00:47:34
Speaker 3: But that was in the rain.
00:47:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a sloppy rain.
00:47:36
Speaker 4: It was like 6-3.
00:47:36
Speaker 3: It was a crappy game.
00:47:37
Speaker 1: With their backup quarterback. Like, Caleb's not gone, though.
00:47:39
Speaker 3: All things even across the board when it's rainy and shitty like that.
00:47:42
Speaker 1: Yeah. With their backup quarterback. I still think Chicago. Caleb didn't get hurt until the end of the game.
00:47:47
Speaker 3: That's true.
00:47:48
Speaker 2: So after putting up 59 points, where was that offense at? They was getting that ass handed to them. So you would think.
00:47:55
Speaker 3: Division rival game.
00:47:57
Speaker 1: Okay.
00:47:58
Speaker 3: Maybe they split the difference next go around when they play later in the year.
00:48:01
Speaker 1: We'll see. Yeah, I'm not ready.
00:48:02
Speaker 3: I'm still feeling Chicago, too.
00:48:03
Speaker 5: But Minnesota's D, man.
00:48:07
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Brian Flores.
00:48:09
Speaker 3: Flores might get a job if he ever dropped the lawsuit.
00:48:15
Speaker 1: Is that still going? Yeah, of course. Just to push along, what did you think about Drake London? I mean, I always thought he was one of them. He was him. It felt like a breakout game last night for him. Well, it was a breakout.
00:48:30
Speaker 2: Because he had a quarterback. No, no, he's always been that good. Like, he's right there. I think he's elevated above, like, um... Garrett Wilson and those guys, Chris Alava, I think he's like one tier ahead of them.
00:48:40
Speaker 1: You know, because he's so much more physically imposing. Six-five. You know what I'm saying? So, like, and he was picked accordingly. You know what I'm saying?
00:48:47
Speaker 2: So, I think, you know, Drake London is a tier above those guys. I think he has a little Justin Jefferson type of vibes, you know, to me. Like, he's a big, lanky strider, not like really a guy that's going to explode off the brakes, but like that Mike Evans mold type of guy where he's going to always be a thousand-yard receiver as long as they have a competent quarterback, you know, and– That's not even saying a lot because I don't know how good Pennix is and if he can stay healthy. Three ACL surgeries, man, is crazy work.
00:49:14
Speaker 3: That's tough, man.
00:49:16
Speaker 4: So my biggest takeaway is you never want to say, a coach is in a hot seat this early in the season but matt lafleur is in the.
00:49:23
Speaker 1: House yeah i mean it's just as good as it gets and which.
00:49:26
Speaker 4: Is which is wild because yeah you we talked about the deficient on the offensive line they don't have josh jacobs michael parsons is down javon hargraves did not play so they're without pieces But what you're starting to see this team is starting to unravel.
00:49:41
Speaker 1: You would expect this team to have some championship type DNA.
00:49:44
Speaker 2: Losing guys like Romeo Dobbs and stuff like that. They always think they can just replace these receivers.
00:49:49
Speaker 4: Matthew Golden. When you start talking about good head coaches. they coach their team to victory. And he's always been putting those guys, from a scheme standpoint... They've always underachieved. Right, but you always felt like because of who he was and what he's able to do offensively, he can coach a team that has.
00:50:05
Speaker 1: These injuries to victory. The Falcons are good, but they're not great. They should have lost to the Jets last week.
00:50:10
Speaker 4: Yes, but you just assume the Packers are just another tier... This is the C-team Packers, and we just felt like how they've been constructed, they should beat a team.
00:50:20
Speaker 2: Like the Falcons with their C-team. Here's the problem with LaFleur. The Bears have seemingly passed them in the division, and they have a young quarterback that they haven't paid yet in Caleb Williams. So they can go out and they can improve their team because they can spend money like Green Bay can't spend. The Lions are kind of right there with them. The Lions kind of, you know, they had all that young talent. and they were cheap, and then now they had to actually pay that young talent, which makes you lose the pieces that help you get over the top. Like David Montgomery started losing their coordinators and all that stuff.
00:50:53
Speaker 1: Then you look at Minnesota.
00:50:54
Speaker 2: Minnesota went all in last year thinking they should have never got rid of Sam Donald. They went all in last year and they spent all that money for agency, for all those defensive tackles, Alan Payne, and all those guys.
00:51:05
Speaker 1: Then they hurry up and dump that.
00:51:07
Speaker 2: They got rid of all those guys, but you think they're even in a better spot because they're not spending a lot of money for their quarterbacks. The issue is Green Bay went all in. When you make a trade and give up two first-round draft picks for Micah Parsons and you spend all that money and go in and then you don't win, now you have to start tearing it down. So, you know, LeFleur has gotten eight years. I don't believe you're tearing it down. What I'm saying is they spent all this money. They don't have any assets to build through the draft. So they don't have their first-round draft pick for the last two years. So they can't really improve their team. They're going to be tapped out in a minute. Jordan Love makes a lot of money. Micah Parsons makes a lot of money. So they're going to be tapped out as far as resources. So what I'm trying to say is he's on the hot seat with your old coach.
00:51:53
Speaker 1: Who? Which one? Mike Tomlin.
00:51:58
Speaker 3: Okay.
00:51:58
Speaker 1: I played for two teams.
00:51:59
Speaker 2: With your old coach, Mike Tomlin, see this as an opportunity? Because it's only a couple teams. I think if Mike Tomlin takes another job, it's going to be the Jets. But this is the reason I'm saying, right? Mike Tomlin came from a like original eight type franchise.
00:52:19
Speaker 1: Like the Steelers are like Steelers. Yeah. Blue bloods.
00:52:23
Speaker 2: The Steelers, the San Francisco, the Giants. Those are the blue bloods of like NFL.
00:52:30
Speaker 1: Yeah. To leave the, the, the, the Steelers and, and then.
00:52:35
Speaker 2: Retire, you would think he would want to go back to like a blue blood with a great quarterback with a generational TJ watt type of, of, of defensive end and Micah Parsons.
00:52:46
Speaker 1: With a Kiesel-like other rusher in Van Ness?
00:52:52
Speaker 4: I think if I– and I'm just– I don't know. I don't have any intel. I haven't talked to Mike Tomlin about this. This is just me just spitballing. I think he would love an opportunity with the Jets because he loves New York.
00:53:05
Speaker 1: I know that.
00:53:06
Speaker 4: Two, I think he has a chance to put his hands on a defense that's growing and getting better yearly. I think he has the opportunity to go into a draft with three. We just got three first-rounders. He has a chance to go get– and I'm not saying A.G. is going to be fine. But Green Bay has its franchise quarterback.
00:53:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's different when you can groom your– Just tell the truth. You much rather live in New York than Milwaukee or Green Bay. That's part of it, 100%. That's part of it because New York's– The family. The family want to live somewhere.
00:53:32
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I know his son went to Columbia, so he has roots here.
00:53:35
Speaker 1: He's in and out.
00:53:37
Speaker 4: But I also– I just think he– People don't understand how much he did behind the curtain for the Steelers, especially after Ben left. He'll never talk about it. The organization will never talk about it. But that man has done so much to keep that shit here and survive the way they survived. I think the way Woody's built right now, he's like, hey, just take it. Just bring me back some. And I think he can build some. We're not trying to fire AG, by the way. I'm not trying to fire AG.
00:54:03
Speaker 3: I'm not.
00:54:03
Speaker 1: We're just saying, yo. If there was a next guy up.
00:54:07
Speaker 2: Well, hot seat. We think the floor is a hot seat. And that's joint love. That is a great place to land.
00:54:13
Speaker 1: Well, quickly. If you're a coach. We're going to take a quick break. Name another coach you think is in a hot seat.
00:54:20
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say Jim Harbaugh. I wouldn't say that. Another coach on.
00:54:25
Speaker 1: A hot seat. Damn, that's a tough one, man, because we just hired 10, 12 coaches last week.
00:54:32
Speaker 2: I can't say Dan Campbell because the Lions don't fire people.
00:54:36
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was going to say. Maybe our boy in Tampa. Todd Bowles. Ooh, that's a good call. That's a good one, too. I mean, they won the Super Bowl.
00:54:45
Speaker 2: Bruce Aaron really left him in a great situation to kind of have a decent quarterback in Baker Mayfield.
00:54:53
Speaker 1: They just paid him, and they're 0-2.
00:54:55
Speaker 2: In that division, it looks like the Saints have passed them up with Tyler Shuck having their franchise quarterback. Looks like Bryce Young and the Panthers are not going to be a pushover anymore. I would maybe say Todd Bowles.
00:55:07
Speaker 1: So, Bonds is Dan Campbell, and I'll tell you why.
00:55:10
Speaker 4: Because he's such a go-get-it, gritty-type dude, I wonder if he's falling on deaf ears right now. And I say this from a standpoint. Offensively, we talked about the injuries they've dealt with. Defensively, They just can't figure it out. They can't figure it out.
00:55:27
Speaker 1: Kevin Shepard, man, they going to be calling for his head.
00:55:29
Speaker 4: But every decision that's made has been his decision.
00:55:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Calvin Shepard, man, is like.
00:55:34
Speaker 4: What I'm talking about from hiring, drafting. Yeah, this is you lost Ben, you lost A.G. Like everything's been under his tutelage. And I like Dan Campbell.
00:55:41
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:55:41
Speaker 4: But I'm just talking about if we're going to have the conversations about head coaches who are in the hot seat.
00:55:46
Speaker 1: But you have to understand the place.
00:55:49
Speaker 2: Being in the middle of the pack is an upgrade for the Lions who never won a Super Bowl. You know, I'm born and raised there. Like, they're not a joke. At least they're respectable.
00:55:57
Speaker 1: 100%.
00:55:58
Speaker 2: So, for me, the Lions are good with that because they haven't been that for a long time.
00:56:04
Speaker 1: Remember, they're the 0-16 team.
00:56:06
Speaker 4: But for the last three years, it looks like nothing's changed. And if anything, it looks like they're getting weaker.
00:56:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are. They are. They missed their window.
00:56:12
Speaker 2: Their window was when they lost to Jaden Daniels in the playoffs. That was their year to win a championship. And that's what happens when that credit card bill is due. That credit card bill is due, and you've been putting it aside.
00:56:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, no, we need all of it. You know what I'm saying? It's like, damn, I ain't got it. I'll put something on it, dog. We're going to take a break. Come on back. Bart Willey. Injuries are running rapid across the NFL. News out. Jackson Dart out for the season due to a knee injury.
00:56:43
Speaker 4: There's been a lot of talk about how a lot of these players are going down early. There's been some significant injuries, especially at the quarterback position. I guess the conversation really starts with why are we seeing these catastrophic injuries this early in the NFL?
00:56:58
Speaker 2: And do you think there's a reason for it? Well, one, we're going from zero to 100, right? We don't have enough preseason games. I remember when we were playing– Like, the starters played maybe.
00:57:08
Speaker 1: One or two drives first game. It was a build-up. Yeah, we played two quarters the second game.
00:57:14
Speaker 4: Correct.
00:57:14
Speaker 1: And then the third game... Dress rehearsal. Yes, dress rehearsal.
00:57:17
Speaker 2: We played the first half, and then we practiced what it felt like to come out the second half. So we played, like, maybe one or two drives in.
00:57:25
Speaker 1: The third quarter. And then the fourth.
00:57:27
Speaker 2: it was when all the backups and guys were going to get cut, they played, and the backups played. But what happens is they ramped us up, so we were still going full speed, and we did the best we could do to be a dress rehearsal. Now what happens is, the roster goes from 53... From 94 to 53 in a nanosecond. And now it's not even the guys that are starters. It's the guys that are backups because what they have to do is not only do they have to play the game, they have to play special teams, which that's a whole thing within itself. Just think, if you're a core special team player and you kind of contribute on offense and defense, you may be up.
00:58:01
Speaker 1: To 80 plays a game. Especially on defense.
00:58:03
Speaker 2: And these are all outplays. Like, kickoff is all out. Kickoff return is all out. Punt is all out.
00:58:09
Speaker 1: Punt return is all out.
00:58:11
Speaker 2: Then you're going over like the worst thing that used to happen to me is when I used to have to go on punt team and then switch right around and go on defense and then go on punt team again or punt return team. Be gassed and you hope to God that you don't get caught in no two-minute drill. You're like, man, I cannot breathe. You know what we used to say?
00:58:32
Speaker 1: Lobster, lobster.
00:58:33
Speaker 2: Lobster meant fake an injury, go down so we can get a TV timeout because I can't freaking breathe.
00:58:38
Speaker 1: Right?
00:58:38
Speaker 2: So now these guys are going from that, and then they're also paying an extra game, but they're not really preparing to be able to handle that game.
00:58:45
Speaker 1: You run a mile. When you run a mile, you have to prepare by running two miles. Yes.
00:58:49
Speaker 2: So these guys are playing 17 games, 18 games.
00:58:52
Speaker 4: You go to playoffs, you know, 20 games. You know what I'm saying? 20, 24 games. I mean, 20, 21 games.
00:58:59
Speaker 2: But you're preparing and getting prepared for, like, Like it's 15 games. So that's why they're breaking down, man, because now the people will sell or win. People will settle in like the most dangerous time in the NFL season is the beginning. Like, when you get to, like, November, your muscles, they know what they're doing.
00:59:19
Speaker 1: You're recovering. They're built up. You're built up.
00:59:21
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. They're not building a callus up enough in training camp because it's camp cream puff. They don't even have two-a-days in camp. Yeah, I'm watching the Steelers go through it.
00:59:28
Speaker 4: You know, Mike McCarthy talked about how he wanted to emphasize building up the run game, but yet he took the pads off in training camp.
00:59:36
Speaker 1: And so what you're seeing is a glorified walkthrough.
00:59:39
Speaker 4: And you're trying to build volume when– Where we came from, it was building the couch. If you understand, when I had Bill Cowher and I had Mike T, after warm-ups and an individual, we went right to 9-on-7.
00:59:55
Speaker 1: And we had a long 9-on-7. And practices were longer, too.
00:59:58
Speaker 4: Right, and we had a long 9-on-7. And after that, we broke back up. And then you would go through got-to-have-it situations. You would have it on third-down situations, short-yarder situations. So you went through a training camp. And then, by the way, we would run gasses after practice. Yep.
01:00:15
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? With your pads on. With your pads on.
01:00:18
Speaker 4: And so there was a level of conditioning that you prepare for week one. You prepare for any type of football week one. What's crazy, too, when you see some of these guys, like you hear a lot of coaches like, yeah, we got to run the ball better. And I got to say, so it's interesting, because the Steelers are playing Dexter Lawrence this week. The Steelers versus Bengals. The Steelers have, since last year and the last two weeks, struggled to run the football. When you have a dog like Dexter Lawrence and I'm at right guard or whoever I'm at right tackle and I have a big war daddy like Dexter Lawrence at the three position or at the three technique.
01:00:54
Speaker 1: I have to.
01:00:56
Speaker 2: Practice physical because now it's a situation with technique.
01:01:01
Speaker 1: I'm looking at details. I'm looking at footwork. I'm looking at keys. What if he counters me? I got to counter this counter. I got to have somebody try that. And every defensive tackle is different.
01:01:08
Speaker 4: So now I'm looking at a guy who not only can penetrate, but he's going to be trying to push me in the backfield.
01:01:14
Speaker 1: Separate, too.
01:01:14
Speaker 4: So there's a couple times where I'm going to say, hey, I'm going to have to look at my right tackle. I'm going to base this. you're going to have to go around me. Or it's a fold block. Or it's a situation like, well, if I know he's shooting a gap, we may have to go right away. These are all feels and tells that you have to- Stale me before you scoop up to the second level.
01:01:27
Speaker 1: Correct.
01:01:28
Speaker 2: I'll tell you when you can go. And sometimes I'll be like, hey, fuck the linebacker. We just going to stay on his ass. Leave that for the back.
01:01:34
Speaker 1: Yes.
01:01:35
Speaker 4: We got to go down for the back. He's going to have to beat that linebacker, but we got to get his ass up out of here. So these are all things you have to do at a physical tone. You cannot do this in shells. You can't do this in hyper walkthrough. You can't do it like, and so if you're taking the pads off dudes this early and you didn't have it in training camp, this is what you're dealing with. This is the ramifications of all of it.
01:01:55
Speaker 3: Can I push back just for a second, just for devil's advocate?
01:01:58
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:01:59
Speaker 3: I mean, can we chalk some of this up to bad luck? Like Caleb Williams' injury is rainy, it's sloppy field. You pivot wrong and you slide, you pull your hamstring. Or like Jackson Dart hit. Dude was getting hit from both directions.
01:02:15
Speaker 1: That's fair.
01:02:15
Speaker 3: You know, bad timing. He's just in a bad spot. He could have been worse. You know, Jaden Daniels, the elbow, he already had that injury. Maybe it's just recurring. Maybe he's got some fucking weird joint.
01:02:27
Speaker 2: But we're just talking about like those injuries. We're not even talking about like the two guys that went down early in the Jets game, the first two plays. It's not just that. We didn't even talk about all those people that's hurt. We're just talking about the main guys. There's a lot of guys missing people that's hurt and out. We just get into the stars, the ones that are quarterbacks because they're the most important position because you don't have a comparable backup. The drop from quarterback one to quarterback two is bigger than any other position on the team.
01:02:55
Speaker 1: Your backup quarterback may be better or as good as his starter.
01:03:00
Speaker 2: Right.
01:03:00
Speaker 1: Your quarterback, backup quarterback, it's like going from sugar to shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, real quick.
01:03:06
Speaker 2: And don't miss me with the whole thing, like the game is faster and all that type of stuff.
01:03:10
Speaker 1: Well, that's what a lot of people feel because of these injuries. They're bigger, stronger. Because they're not. They're not bigger, stronger.
01:03:15
Speaker 2: Like, listen, Jonathan Ogden was 6'9, could run.
01:03:19
Speaker 1: Right? We talk about, we saw Larry.
01:03:21
Speaker 2: Allen and him run down that linebacker and hit on that interception. But also, like, guys like Vernon Davis coming out at 260, running to four.
01:03:28
Speaker 1: Three, right?
01:03:28
Speaker 2: Dion coming out. Chris Johnson at 4-2-9. Ross coming out at 4-2.
01:03:34
Speaker 4: So the life I lived and listen, I was an undersized offensive tackle, right? But my matchups were Jonathan Taylor, Julius Peppers.
01:03:44
Speaker 1: Yes. You got them. People don't know.
01:03:48
Speaker 4: What's the homeboy's name? He used to have long dreads for the Miami Ducks. Vonnie Holiday.
01:03:53
Speaker 1: Yeah. Trevor Price. These dudes were 6'5, 290 plus. And could run. And could run. Cameron Wake, Javon Kersh, Kyle Vanderbosch. The freak. This was the life I lived. The freak.
01:04:05
Speaker 4: So when I see these smaller, when I see these smaller Aaron Donald types, these Michael Parsons, Michael Parsons is really a running back that can play outside linebacker.
01:04:13
Speaker 1: He's not built like 240. You ain't got to worry about no bull rush.
01:04:17
Speaker 4: I had to live life on the edge with those guys.
01:04:20
Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel before coach was a dog. Simeon Rice. Simeon Rice. Richard Seymour. D'oh, like that's the life I had to live.
01:04:29
Speaker 4: And all these dudes are enormous. So when people say, well, they're training too much. These guys are getting back just because you're a linebacker. Well, you're a D and that can run like a linebacker.
01:04:38
Speaker 1: So what bro? That doesn't mean nothing.
01:04:40
Speaker 3: So do we think that.
01:04:41
Speaker 1: I would love to see these offensive tackles?
01:04:43
Speaker 3: So do we think then a lot of these people are maybe playing the wrong position?
01:04:46
Speaker 1: No.
01:04:47
Speaker 3: Or we're developing them the wrong way.
01:04:51
Speaker 2: They're not training the right way. It's just the same thing that's going on in all the sports, right? We want to save these guys. Pitch too much, right? Back in the day, Nolan Ryan go full games.
01:05:01
Speaker 1: Seven innings.
01:05:02
Speaker 2: Now, guys, five innings and he can pay you a billion dollars.
01:05:05
Speaker 1: Five innings, man!
01:05:06
Speaker 3: You can.
01:05:07
Speaker 1: That's all you got?
01:05:08
Speaker 4: You always hear the announcer like, well, he's 77 pitchers in.
01:05:12
Speaker 1: Randy Johnson. Like, dude, like, come on.
01:05:14
Speaker 3: So here's where I'm going to push back.
01:05:15
Speaker 1: The pussification society.
01:05:16
Speaker 3: So Nolan Ryan isn't throwing 110 miles an hour, though.
01:05:19
Speaker 1: What about Randy Johnson?
01:05:21
Speaker 3: Look, they're awesome players, great pitchers, and yes, they went the full games, but like, Like, let's take tennis for... I remember Mark Filippousis serving 100 miles an hour for the first time ever. Now we have guys hitting 155. No, this is.
01:05:34
Speaker 1: Like... Yeah.
01:05:35
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? Like, there's way more stress on the elbow if you're throwing 110 than throwing 90.
01:05:42
Speaker 4: There's no doubt that today's athlete is... I'm on bar scene. Not that they're bigger, right? They're probably more explosive and faster to some degree. The problem is, after the collective bargaining agreement, and the NFL wasn't making any money.
01:05:54
Speaker 1: The training. Right, the training.
01:05:55
Speaker 4: So they said, so it was like, man, we got to start making some money. The product's not, you know, we're not getting nothing from this. So the players then said... All right, well, you're going to have to pull back on training camp. You're going to have to pull back on some of these, how we do our work.
01:06:07
Speaker 2: That's what we fall in CBA. That's what we fall for, for better, easier practices.
01:06:11
Speaker 4: Because there was a time when, you know what I'm saying, there was a time where after the season, you only had a month to yourself.
01:06:17
Speaker 1: You're back in March. We were back in the building before St.
01:06:19
Speaker 4: Patrick's Day. And so what Bart and I are saying, you had- We had to build up. Not only were you building up, you had more time on the field.
01:06:26
Speaker 1: Right.
01:06:27
Speaker 4: To get better on your technique. You had a real weight and running conditioning. You had time to rehab with your team, right? And on top of that, during spring training, the OTAs, whatever, you were prepared.
01:06:38
Speaker 1: Everybody was there. Everybody was there, and everybody was prepared as if it was already August, right? So by the time.
01:06:43
Speaker 4: And then after that, you went into August, having all that training, your own training, and then to survive August training camp.
01:06:50
Speaker 1: So you had six... Five months. Five months to be prime warrior shape.
01:06:55
Speaker 3: Right, right.
01:06:55
Speaker 1: All that's cut down.
01:06:57
Speaker 3: All these guys are like waltzing into training camp. They're like, I don't feel like.
01:07:01
Speaker 4: But when they leave the building, they don't even have back-to-back practices with pads.
01:07:06
Speaker 1: Right.
01:07:07
Speaker 3: And also, everybody's... I also feel football is just different from the other sports.
01:07:10
Speaker 1: 100%.
01:07:11
Speaker 3: Like baseball and tennis and all those things. You know, they're getting faster, stronger, but football is just different.
01:07:16
Speaker 4: But also this, not everybody's getting the same type of condition in the training. Like, yeah, you can go to Tom Shaw down in Orlando and get faster, but then you want.
01:07:23
Speaker 1: To go out to L.A. and do X, Y, Z.
01:07:24
Speaker 4: Like, when you have your own team and you're here, like, your team is looking at you.
01:07:28
Speaker 2: Prepping you for how we're building our team.
01:07:31
Speaker 1: Listen, we in the Midwest, baby.
01:07:33
Speaker 4: It's like watching Big Ten football.
01:07:36
Speaker 3: Versus SEC football.
01:07:38
Speaker 2: We train a different athlete and our body has to be different for the style.
01:07:43
Speaker 1: Of play we have.
01:07:44
Speaker 2: You think about back in the day, the Peyton Manning teams, their defense, how they were set up. They had Freeney and they had Mathis.
01:07:52
Speaker 1: They were little dudes inside fast track.
01:07:55
Speaker 4: Man, you bring that little weak shit out there, like to Baltimore in November, December.
01:07:59
Speaker 1: We gonna roll your ass up. We gonna roll your little light ass up. Ain't no traction out here. We playing on mud, baby.
01:08:04
Speaker 3: Paint it dirt.
01:08:04
Speaker 1: You gonna get your ass barbecue chicken.
01:08:06
Speaker 2: You out here with the Jordan 12s on. We got goddamn construction boots. We playing in Timbs, dumbass.
01:08:15
Speaker 3: I would love to see a spiked pair of tins, right?
01:08:18
Speaker 1: We was out here with steel-toed boots, baby. Them high-techs. Some Gore-Tex. NFL weekend preview. A lot of big games this weekend.
01:08:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, man.
01:08:29
Speaker 1: What's your must-watch game? It's only one for me, baby. Okay, what is it?
01:08:33
Speaker 4: If I had that just up, I would have asked him to come. I would have been a brand ambassador. They're in Rio de Janeiro, baby!
01:08:38
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, baby.
01:08:40
Speaker 2: The Baltimore Ravens and the Dallas Cowboys. You talk about two teams that definitely... Have to get a win. You talk about, you know, Dallas got back on track last week, you know, got embarrassed by the Giants physicality, right? Well, what do you think King Henry is going to do? He's going to bring that physicality. So we're going to see if the Cowboys have fixed their defensive issues. because the Ravens can play bully ball with the best of them with King Henry, but also the Ravens coming off of being, you know, pretty much dominated, not dominated, but surprised by the aerial attack of Tyler Shuck. So you talk about the Ravens, Trey Henderson's a little banged up, they don't have Zay Flowers, so they're gonna have to try, how do you keep up? They can't get in, I don't think they can get into a shootout with the Dallas Cowboys. So what philosophy kind of sticks? Is it gonna be the physicality of the Ravens? Taking the clock away, limiting the possessions, really, like, taking the game away in the third quarter? Or is it going to be spread them out? We have C.D. Lamb and we have George Pickens. See if you can catch up on this track. I'll tell you what about the Cowboys.
01:09:46
Speaker 1: They got to get their run game together. It is bad.
01:09:49
Speaker 4: Javante Williams had over– he was 1,000 yards back. They finished last year ranked sixth in rushing. They're currently 26.
01:09:56
Speaker 2: Falling in love with the Pickens. Like, when you got two Ferraris, sometimes you fall in love with it. But I think if you want to help Dak be better, give him a run game.
01:10:04
Speaker 4: You can't have Dak throwing the ball 50 times a game every weekend and think you're going to... It's just not going to be... If you try to really get to January, you ain't going to survive it.
01:10:13
Speaker 1: It ain't going to happen. So they got to get a run game.
01:10:15
Speaker 3: 71 yards over two games for him, by the way.
01:10:17
Speaker 1: That's crazy. 71 yards over two games. So my must-watch game is the Rams versus Broncos.
01:10:24
Speaker 4: Battle of the two Sean's. I think about it like this. I think Sean... Sean Payton is a coach who likes to control the game. He likes to win the game. Time of possession, win crucial– got to have in moments. Sean McVay, he's more the guy– he wants to light up the scoreboard, right? And so– Devontae Adams put on a show last– But this is– it's interesting you say that because the game against the Giants, if Jameis is a better quarterback in that situation, that game is a lot tighter. Because as much as I was– sure, they didn't have Puka– Devonta Adams had a big game. But you should watch the Giants' defense give the ball back to the offense. They just weren't able to capitalize, and the offense kind of fell flat. I think right now, and I think offensively for the Broncos, Bo Nix is playing better. The offense line is playing better. Defensively, they're starting to figure it out. But defensively, they're not the same team that we're using.
01:11:13
Speaker 1: They're not the same. You're 100%. Like, last year, it's crazy how it doesn't carry over.
01:11:16
Speaker 4: I think it was John DeCooper. People don't realize how I am. Like, John DeCooper, he's a dog. Outside of Nick Benito, like, those two dogs. And then you got Patrick Sertain, Zach Allen.
01:11:24
Speaker 1: And then Allen, yeah.
01:11:24
Speaker 4: So, like, I think the crew just isn't– they're not clicking right now. But offensively, Bo Nix is playing a lot better. I'm more– I'm just not– I'm not in love with the Rams offense like everybody else is.
01:11:35
Speaker 1: I'm just not. I'm just not.
01:11:36
Speaker 2: Well, we know it has the ability to have some power. You know what I mean? Especially when Puka gets there. Not only does Puka kind of help the passing game, but he's integral in the run game, too. He's one of these guys that gets in there, blocks us at Heinz Ward, fake lead up through the hole, lead up on the linebacker, getting away, gives him an extra blocker in the box because you know the corner coming in there.
01:11:56
Speaker 1: He don't want that smoke. You know what I'm saying?
01:11:58
Speaker 2: So, like, it's going to be interesting to see. And Aaron Donald gets to come back and, you know, let's see if he can get more reps. How did you think how he played? I thought he played well. We were getting barbecue chicken, filet of fish on, like, line. Oh, that take.
01:12:08
Speaker 1: I don't think we said it'd be bad. It was the right course in the act. Yeah, I don't think we said it'd be bad. Like, what type of shape and condition would he be in?
01:12:13
Speaker 2: The Giants didn't have an ability or an opportunity to make it a physical game by running the ball because they lost their quarterback, which threw out their game plan.
01:12:20
Speaker 1: Right? So, I thought he played well. On top of that, credit Chris. He still got triple team. All that.
01:12:25
Speaker 4: Credit Chris Shuler, the defensive coordinator of the Rams. He played a lot of dime. He threw a lot of, he threw extra DB on the field. And they really, it was interesting. Like you usually.
01:12:33
Speaker 1: That hurt Jameis, right?
01:12:34
Speaker 2: Because Jameis had, that's another person that in the game plan was built for Jackson Dark.
01:12:38
Speaker 1: They're two totally different quarterbacks. One's athletic. One's a stationary guy that's like Drew Bledsoe.
01:12:43
Speaker 4: And then compared to week one, they played, you know, week one against the Rams versus Niners.
01:12:48
Speaker 1: They played a lot of zone. Week two, they played man to man.
01:12:50
Speaker 4: And then for me, I was like, That's a defensive coordinator not stuck in his way. He goes, I got two of the best DBs in the league that can play man. We're going to play man and we're going to blitz.
01:12:58
Speaker 1: We gave up our first damn round draft pick next year to go all in.
01:13:02
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Chris Shuler did a hell of a job. So, yeah, Rams, Broncos. I'm going with the Broncos winning this one. I just think right now Bo Nix is starting to get into his own. They're starting to find their rhythm fast.
01:13:12
Speaker 1: They've got to find a way to get more players from James Waddle. What's that? They're in Denver? I think they're playing in Denver. Yeah, they're in Denver. Yeah, so I'll give the edge to the Broncos.
01:13:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, Rams have to go on the road eventually.
01:13:21
Speaker 1: Oh, no, wait. They were in Australia, man. They travel more than everybody's.
01:13:25
Speaker 3: Going to travel in one day than everybody's.
01:13:27
Speaker 1: Going to travel for the whole year. We're going to wrap it up. So Bart has the Cowboys-Ravens. Well, I'll have it.
01:13:35
Speaker 2: Really?
01:13:35
Speaker 1: Who are you picking? I'm getting the Ravens, man. I'll never.
01:13:38
Speaker 2: Listen, if we pick the Ravens schedule every week, I'm going Ravens.
01:13:44
Speaker 1: I get it. I feel the same way about the Steelers. I get it. I keep telling you, I'm like, Issa Rae? Issa Rae? Which one? Issa Rae.
01:13:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, black, yeah. Yeah, I'm rooting for everybody black. Yeah, I'm with you. Baltimore is the blackest team. Them and the Philadelphia 76ers are the blackest teams in the NFL.
01:14:02
Speaker 4: One time, me and Bart, we was watching a game together, and they showed Lamar Jackson, Snoop Huntley, and Josh Johnson on the sideline.
01:14:13
Speaker 1: And I was like, we got the blackest team in the band.
01:14:17
Speaker 4: I was like, you ain't lying, man. They look like a travel team.
01:14:22
Speaker 1: It was awesome, man. AAU team.
01:14:24
Speaker 3: All right, well, let's close with this real quick. I want to find out what each of you guys learned today on the show. What'd you learn today, Willie?
01:14:30
Speaker 1: I learned Willie. I learned too much about Willie.
01:14:34
Speaker 2: Listen, man, like, if we roommates, bro, you got to at least put on some tighty-whities, bro.
01:14:40
Speaker 1: I just took them off while I'm underneath the covers.
01:14:42
Speaker 2: You got to pull out your Q-Dog thong or something, bro. Like, you got to at least put your Q-Dog thong on.
01:14:46
Speaker 3: What'd you learn today, Willie?
01:14:48
Speaker 4: What did I learn? I don't know if I learned anything. Bart doesn't surprise me anymore. Everything that doesn't matter how wild or intelligent. I know Bart's really smart.
01:14:58
Speaker 1: I'm on brand.
01:14:59
Speaker 4: And so he's always on brand. So there's nothing that he's surprised. I do want to say this. Monday's show. Once again, I was able to hit the streets in L.A., Willie in the wild. I can't wait to show Bart the content and footage.
01:15:10
Speaker 2: I don't know why you always find a toppity-top type of dude. First you had the toppity-top dude come in. Now you got Knight. Now I hear it was an incident or.
01:15:18
Speaker 1: A story that happened out there in L.A. I got King Toppity Top. Wait till you see. Wait till you see. King Toppity Top.
01:15:29
Speaker 2: Wait till you see this motherfucker.
01:15:35
Speaker 1: All right. Bart and Willie Show. Thank you for everybody tuning in. Appreciate you. Once again, great weekend. Yeah, man. Fun weekend? Fun weekend. It's crazy. We work so much that I forget that this is the weekend.
01:15:48
Speaker 4: You said weekend.
01:15:48
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you talking about? Motherfucker, I'll see you Sunday. See you Sunday. NFL, Barton Willey. Peace. This has been a Playmaker Production.
Speaker 1: Green Bay went all in.
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Speaker 2: When you make a trade and give up two first round draft picks for Micah Parsons and you spend all that money and go in and then you don't win, now you have to start tearing it down.
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Speaker 1: Welcome on in to the Bart and Willie show. Week three? No, it's four, man.
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Speaker 3: Dude, we're on like week 10, man.
00:00:25
Speaker 1: This dude's jet lag. He don't know where the hell he is. I don't know. By the way.
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Speaker 4: Shout out to the good people at Playmaker. Shout out to our producer, Mark Donatone, behind the camera. All hands on deck for this awesome Friday. Another week is upon us. Bart, you look fresh and clean.
00:00:40
Speaker 1: What's going on? Man, I'm good. I'm rested.
00:00:42
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? I've been in the same time zone, unlike you, man. I tell you what, man, but I did what I did do. I did what I always do. They caught me slipping again.
00:00:51
Speaker 1: Who coached you? Well, you're a world traveler, right?
00:00:53
Speaker 2: So you've been to DR, Costa Rica, you go over to Europe and stuff like that. And one thing I hate is when you go there and you don't have the proper adapter.
00:01:04
Speaker 1: Right. That European. Yeah, that European thing, man. Or but you think because you're in Europe, but then you go to London and it's something different. Right. Right. And then you go to Amsterdam and something different. Greece is something different. You know what I mean? So like you get caught up.
00:01:17
Speaker 2: In the worst thing to ever happen when you're on the road or you're out is for your phone to die. or for your iPad to not be able to be charged and stuff like that. When you start, because when I go over to Europe, I don't know how you do it. When I go over there, I try to get my money's worth. So if I go to Paris, I go to London, I go to the Netherlands, I go to Greece, I bounce around, right? So when I'm doing that type of stuff.
00:01:36
Speaker 1: Get the Europass, right?
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Speaker 2: Is that what they call it? I don't know if it's Europass. I want to get my money's worth. I don't want to go over there and be stuck in one place for seven days. And so like, I always constantly have to make sure that, you know, my phones are right, my iPads, because you take those mini flights, you know what I mean, from there.
00:01:53
Speaker 4: And they, over there, when you're flying in Europe, it's like frontier. Like those planes.
00:01:59
Speaker 1: Over there, you know the one that's like, one is orange, it's got orange on it. They don't recline. Like, man, you're sitting there.
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Speaker 2: And they're made for people that's under 5'8.
00:02:08
Speaker 4: When I was in Germany, it was not comfortable. I think the seat next to me, I went to like, You played in Germany? No, I had to go to Germany and do something. And I remember I was in the seat, and I hit one of the buttons, and that shit shot me forward.
00:02:19
Speaker 1: And I was like this. And I hit it backwards, and the lady next to me was like... It was awful.
00:02:25
Speaker 2: You know, so, like, what I found is now they have a universal adapter. So it's a universal adapter that adapts to any port. So, like, you can actually slide the prongs. They have prongs.
00:02:35
Speaker 1: You know, like, I think it's... You're a gadget guy, by the way. Yeah, I love stuff. I feel like you're always prepared for these types of situations.
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Speaker 2: Listen, I got the apocalyptic apocalypse.
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Speaker 1: Go with it. Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: I got those batteries that you sit outside and let the sun charge them in case we run out of power.
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Speaker 3: Wait, with the crankshaft on the side, too?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because we're afraid that the grid, that our next attack is going.
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Speaker 1: To be on the grid. Bro, so you know that I'm in the country. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: So it's interesting you said that, because going from Jersey to the country... you don't realize if things, if electricity goes out, you bare bones. But you're bare bones like this. So everything you do is about how much can the sun help you?
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Speaker 1: You're a generator.
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Speaker 2: That's what I'm dealing with right now. But gas is higher than Jurassic right now.
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Speaker 1: Correct.
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Speaker 2: So you can't even like, yo, gas, you might not even be able to get enough of that. Like you can get those big containers that they have like 20 gallons. But how long is that going to run? Like you hope that you got the propane stuff.
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? For the generators, that's what got me looking at the Tesla generators. By the way, Tesla thinks they're slick. Yeah. You see what Tesla's doing right now? Oh, you're talking about with the cabs? You see the- Oh, with the cars? Oh, yeah. They have, so you know- They're going after Waymo. Yeah, I spoke about that like a while ago. Right, but no.
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Speaker 4: So, you know, they cleaned up all the trucks, the big rigs, they got them off the road. So now Tesla has- Oh.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the battery charged semis for like- Correct, that they're self-driving.
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Speaker 1: We see you, Tesla.
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Speaker 2: Well, listen, this one thing I can appreciate about Elon Musk, I don't appreciate what he did with Doge and what he's trying to do with trying to act like it's- crazy stuff with South Africa and all that type of stuff.
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Speaker 1: And I don't care about all that stuff, but he is a genius.
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Speaker 2: And most, most geniuses, like you get the good and the bad, but the good is like, what I like about him is he attacks problems. And that's, that's, that's what everybody has to do. If you're a problem solver, it's money to be made.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: So now, like before Uber, you know, attack the fact that calves wouldn't stop for black people.
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Speaker 1: Right. and they discriminate against people. I don't think they're still stopping them. Yeah, they don't. Yeah, I've told you, every time I stop, they're like, I'm not going to Brooklyn. I'm like, bitch, me neither. You know what I'm saying?
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Speaker 4: What the fuck you talking about? Man, I was in a three-piece suit thinking I was like, oh, this is gold. I was like, no! I got dressed for this!
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Speaker 2: Turned this light off so fast. But right, Uber's solved the problem, right? Because now you get your driver, it's quickly. But what's happening now is, like, now.
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Speaker 1: Elon has the... Starlink. Yeah, no, the cabs, the driverless cabs. Oh, like Waymo, you're saying?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so they have the Waymo cabs.
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Speaker 2: You can buy them personally, but this is the thing. You can drive it and take your own car to work and put your car out to work while you're at work. Damn.
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Speaker 3: So you go park your car at work, and then it just turns on.
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Speaker 2: And people can book it to drive them places while you're at work. So your money's making money while you're making money. Man, this motherfucker's unstoppable.
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Speaker 1: He ain't lying. He's unstoppable. So that's what's going on. Yeah, but it's all good. Wait, hold on, Willie.
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Speaker 3: Do you have a cab calling outfit you have to put on? So I'm from New York.
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Speaker 1: And Bart's right.
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Speaker 4: They don't stop for black people, especially if you're going towards the Lower East Side or you're underneath 60th. They are not stopping for you. And one time I was coming, I was actually working, had to do something at CBS. And I knew I had to go further downtown, like towards Battery Park and all that down there. And cabs just ain't going to stop for you. So I was like, man, I'm in a suit. There's no way they're not stopping for me. I stood there for a damn man hour. And this was, by the way, this was before Uber like really kind of took off. And so this cab, like he slow rode me. He was just like, he saw me. I was just like, oh, thanks, man. And I kind of put my hand out to reach for the door.
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Speaker 1: He was just like, ah!
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Speaker 4: And pushed by, I was like, oh my God, Fat John Wick.
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Speaker 1: I was just like, what the hell's going on? Man, can I get back to my adapter, man? I'm trying to tell you how good it is.
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Speaker 3: You pulled a Jerome Bettis on him, right? He gave you the fake handoff.
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Speaker 1: Hell yeah. You know what I'm saying?
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Speaker 2: So like now they have like the, like when you push the prongs, so if it's a prong system, cause some have the wide prongs, but some have like the little long square ones. So they drop down and you can take them and some of them pivot out at like a 45 or 90 degree angle.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: So like, I went and got that. And I also got, I fell for it. Like, you know, you talk about we're made of 95% water.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Right.
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Speaker 2: So they said the Rothschilds back in the day used to use frequencies.
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Speaker 1: So like I bought the 24. What's that again? Frequencies. So, like, they got the tuning forks that you put. You heard of it? Of course, man. It's supposed to affect, like, the digestion.
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Speaker 3: And stuff of your body. It's the best part about being.
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Speaker 1: Up at 2 in the morning. It's like a pad they put on your stomach. No, no, no.
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Speaker 3: It's a tuning fork.
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Speaker 1: Put that... Frequencies, because we're... Like, so.
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Speaker 2: If you ever go into the Buddhist stuff, like the shit that Russell Simmons is into and all that shit, like frequencies, they have the bowls, and it's the frequency.
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Speaker 1: And the bell, ding.
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Speaker 2: Because our body is made of 95% water, so now different frequencies affect your liquid in your body. So I bought the tuning forks to kind of like see if I can reset my body.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. What do you need to reset? I don't know.
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Speaker 4: I'm all on decrepit. It's supposed to break up scar tissue and heal you from having cancer and shit.
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Speaker 1: Do you think you have something? I don't know, but I don't want to. Does it clean up STDs? Because that's what you need to worry about. No, see, there you go. I'm just saying.
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Speaker 4: You just said you need to clean up something. I'm just throwing it. No, fake news, no.
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying you're acting.
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Speaker 2: No, I'm trying to make sure that I, like, you know, like when we get into our accidents.
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Speaker 1: If it can clean up herpes, I mean.
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Speaker 3: Dude, tuning forks for different STDs?
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Speaker 1: Like, yo, yo, give me the long one.
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Speaker 2: They're playing an orchestra with that bitch.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? But no.
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Speaker 2: So like, you know, like when we get into head collisions and stuff, they say that what happens is our spine lets go of like a protein.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: And it's poisonous to our bodies. And so like that's how they think sometimes. maybe ALS or diseases, getting stuff like that. So like, I'm just trying to clean up like, I mean, maybe you can fix your weak ass knee.
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Speaker 1: My knees are fucked up. But that's what I'm saying though.
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Speaker 2: So like, so I got, so this week I got the battery and I got the, and I got the, I mean the charger. I got the battery pack charger for the apocalypse.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Walking dead scenario. And I got that. But that's enough of me. You were out west.
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Speaker 2: And you had some fun, man. You are now proudly a silver member.
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Speaker 1: Silver member. You know what I'm saying?
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Speaker 3: Let's go.
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Speaker 2: That means you get an extra juice box and peanuts. You ain't really accomplished shit yet.
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Speaker 1: You get the good snacks, man. You get the good snacks.
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Speaker 2: You ain't accomplished shit until you get to that diamond platinum. But as much as you working... You might get there quicker than me. I didn't realize people took it seriously.
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Speaker 1: That shit's real talk. People use it as kind of like, I'm better than them. They shame the shit out of you. They do.
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Speaker 4: And this lady kind of pulled a big boy move. She was like, I'm a diamond member. She was having some dialogue with the person. Because they check you when you walk in. And this person was ahead of her. And the lady was like, excuse me, I'm a Diamond member.
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Speaker 1: I shouldn't be waiting. And the dude was like, yeah, man.
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Speaker 4: Who he was talking to, he kind of put her to the side. And she kind of looked at him like, don't ever let that happen again. Not just because you're a fucking Diamond member. If I was that person, I said, bitch, as you should.
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Speaker 1: You 70. Bitch, you been flying since the Concourses out. Bitch, you ain't nothing special.
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Speaker 4: But I don't know what she had going on, but all she said was I was a Diamond member. Homeboy checked her credentials, and he stopped that conversation, put old girl to the side, and he was like, yeah, right away, man.
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Speaker 1: I would have flipped the fuck out. I just didn't.
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Speaker 4: So I'm learning. My wife knows more about this. I'm learning as I go, especially Bart's right. I just came from L.A., did a lot of good stuff out in L.A., met a lot of people, so it was awesome. But the travel world, you don't realize people.
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Speaker 1: Live on airplanes in real time, though. We got spoiled because we chartered everything.
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Speaker 4: Yes, but you got people who are on planes and pajamas, and when they get off plane, they're putting in their corporate outfit. They're doing their hair, they're doing their makeup, and they're hitting it. So you're like, man, this is a different world. Because when we get on planes, it's more about comfort for us. We just want to be comfortable, and wherever we get to, we'll change. This one dude... because I had landed in LA late. I got in like one in the morning and this dude was like, Damn, it looked like he damn near his pajamas. When I went to the bathroom, dude came out like he was ready for the club. Like, I mean, he just like, he, I was just like, God damn.
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Speaker 1: So you go to LA, you on a big plane too.
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Speaker 4: So yeah, but it's just, it's just a different world out there. So LA was wild, man. I do say I went out to Venice beach. I did some men on the street stuff. I know we're going to get into it.
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Speaker 1: We got a lot of content. We want to shoot. New segment coming soon. Coming out in the streets. We'll in wild. That's a street meet. It was, it was great. He was looking like street meet out there at Venice beach, man.
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Speaker 3: It was hot, right?
00:11:25
Speaker 1: Remember that episode of Martin? It's your almondy self.
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Speaker 3: You big almond.
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Speaker 1: I do tell you what, hotel life is a different dog, too, though. Yeah. Like, I was... I mean, first of all, I stayed at the Ritz, so I was... I saw Common.
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Speaker 2: Yo, shout out to Common. Shout out to Common, right? Love Common, Chicago, my Midwest brother, right?
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Speaker 1: You know? We've been acquainted, right? Are you guys Eskimo brothers, too? No, no, no.
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Speaker 3: We've seen his picture on the internet.
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Speaker 1: So, like, I'm coming out of Dumbo House, right? You know what I'm saying? And, um... in Brooklyn, right? Soho House, right?
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Speaker 2: So I'm sitting there, like, and he got a security guard with him, right? And the security guard looking at me, it's all short, like, why are you looking at him? And Con, like, oh, shit, Bart Scott, what up, baby? You know what I'm saying?
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Speaker 1: I love you, right?
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Speaker 2: And then he kind of, like, pump your fucking brakes back there before I check your EZ button, you know what I'm saying?
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Speaker 1: The motherfucker in the back.
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Speaker 4: Common is the most moisturized nigga I've ever seen in my life, man. This motherfucking skin was so moisturized. I'm like, man, Jennifer Hudson probably slide right off this nigga, right? But this is the crazy part. Gave some dap. The ashiest hands I ever had. I'm guilty of that. That shit was like sandpaper.
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Speaker 1: Bruh, I'm guilty of that. How are you so moisturized? I'm guilty.
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Speaker 4: Your fucking inside your palms feel like fucking great, what, 99 grade.
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Speaker 1: Sandpaper and shit. I've lubed up.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you've made fun of my, like, now I'm a little ashy. But like, I've lubed up, got everything going. But somehow I missed these. And this is where you start.
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Speaker 1: Yes. I don't know how the goddamn happened. Now, if you ever catch my hands. Oh, can we talk about something real quick? I'm going to cut you off. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. But I know you're educated in this. See, that's the setup. Hold on. My boy gave me credit. Look, he's readjusting. He's getting comfortable.
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Speaker 3: Here we go.
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Speaker 1: I don't think the black nod exists anymore. I just, bro, I just talked about this. I did the pivot.
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Speaker 4: I was on a plane. Go back to when I was traveling, right? So I'm on the plane, though, and Bart is right. I was sitting in first class. So everybody's got their pods, right? So everybody got their little pods.
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Speaker 1: And there was this other brother.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 1: He had the whole L.A. thing, like the beanie, the shades, the white shirt. Above the ear, too. The whole situation. Pack a sack. He looked cool. He gave me Pharrell vibes, right?
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Speaker 4: And so, shout out, I was actually sitting next to Ron Darling, ex-Met, covers the Mets and.
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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Yeah, that's my dude. Yeah, Ron was awesome.
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Speaker 4: So, Ron, he was nice to me, but he was trying to do his thing. So, anyway, so I'm sitting there, you know, getting settled in. And his brother was sitting in front of me. He wants to get up and go to the bathroom that was behind me. Whatever, it's late flight, you know. And I see him and I was like, locked eyes. And he was like, so I'm like, oh, he didn't see me.
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking it's me now. I'm thinking it's me, right? So cool.
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Speaker 4: Next time he walks by me and the stewardess is in the aisle. So he has to wait till they switch. So when he turns and kind of scans over, now he's like, he's like damn near over me. So I'm just like, he's like, I'm like, in my head, I'm like, I gave it to you twice? I gave it to you twice? You should have donkey kicked his ass. Bart, but you know when you're conscious of it? Because I'm thinking the first time, like, oh, he maybe had to go to the bathroom.
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Speaker 1: He just wasn't tripping.
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Speaker 4: So the second time, I know you see me because I'm staring at you, and I know I.
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Speaker 1: Pause with the, and he was just like, I'm from Malibu. I'm from Malibu. I've never been around black people.
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Speaker 4: He hit me with it three times. Let me tell you the third time. We get to goddamn baggage claim, right? They got, but so this is, this is not, I know I should, mother, this, woo. We get to baggage claim and there was a person with my name waiting for me, right?
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Speaker 1: Big time. Right. So now I know you big time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:15:03
Speaker 1: He know you big time. Hold up. They be calling my TMZ camera. Oh my God. Oh my God. Mind you, I'm in, I'm in like short shit. You know, I'm in bullshit.
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Speaker 4: I got, I got my flip flops on. You got bad feet. I get my, I get my luggage, right? And I had like a little Asian man that was, I was like, I felt bad for him. I'm like, my shit too big, though. You don't break your back on my shit. You want to get on a ride? So I'm getting my conveyor belt. I'm getting my shit off the conveyor belt and helping this dude put my luggage on.
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Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, Mr. Colon, let's go over here. Let's, you know, cars. I'm like, yeah, come on, let's go. It's late.
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Speaker 4: Now he's, he's like on the other side. And as we're passing him, I see him again. But this time I'm like, fuck you. Well, now I didn't even give him the, fuck you. He gives me the nod.
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Speaker 2: Oh.
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Speaker 1: And so I said. So you.
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Speaker 4: Remember that thing that Nori said, the story about Nori?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. You ever heard the story about Nori when he took his dad back? When he took the dad back? Yeah. You should have took your dad back.
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Speaker 4: So this time he sees me, he's like. And I just looked at him like this. I just stared at him as I walked by. And I kept looking at him. He just looked at me. He just put his head down.
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Speaker 1: I'm just like... See, that's L.A., though. No, that's L.A. What can you do for me, brother? We were both in first class. So if you're on that bullshit.
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Speaker 2: You could have got a buddy pass from somebody.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
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Speaker 3: He was going home versus you were coming to visit.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 3: And he was in L.A.
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Speaker 1: He's looking down at you. He can tell you where in L.A. you're going. But I'm big on the not.
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Speaker 2: Especially like wherever. If I see somebody... But L.A. is a place where what can you do for me, brother?
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Speaker 1: Correct.
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Speaker 2: Now, I see you got... Somebody waiting with your name. You somebody. I might need you. Now I'm going to hit you with the nod, brother.
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Speaker 3: It's kind of like walking around with a resume on your forehead. And if it's not good, they're looking around the corner to see who else is in the room while they're.
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Speaker 4: Broke my heart, though. I thought we were better. I think universally, like, we got a lot of shit going on. Nolan Wells, you know what I mean? Trump's still fucking in office. Like, we got a lot of shit going on as a community. We got to be unified. And all I'm saying, by the way, I'm not asking about fucking money. I'm not asking about who you are. All I'm saying is, like, I see you black men.
00:17:06
Speaker 1: All right, what's going on? He hit me with the.
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Speaker 2: I said, you hit me with it twice? He might have called security on you. You know you're Puerto Rican. He might have tried to get you deported.
00:17:15
Speaker 1: I don't know if he... You might want to check his papers. Wait, he's deported?
00:17:21
Speaker 2: You know what happens when you sit in your seat and it says your name on it?
00:17:25
Speaker 1: He probably saw a cologne and said, hey, check his papers.
00:17:28
Speaker 3: They spelled that name wrong?
00:17:30
Speaker 1: Check his papers. But dog, it was just like.
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Speaker 4: Universally, I'm gonna say, if I see you, if we're at an award ceremony, we're in a bank, if you give me the nod, I'm like, what's up, brother? And by you, just for you, we can critique how the nod goes. It only takes two seconds.
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Speaker 1: It's not like, if I don't know, Bart, I see you, I'm like... That's it. That's all of it. It's not like, oh, let's converse.
00:17:55
Speaker 3: Let's phone.
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Speaker 1: I know your heart hurts, brother. I know some bullshit going on, brother.
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Speaker 4: But the fact that he denied the nod twice, I'm like, is it not a thing no more? Does this not exist? Are we out here just nodding and getting rejected? Where's Willie's camera? Straight shot right there. Look into that camera. Because he might mess around and be watching. Might hit on his thread or something.
00:18:18
Speaker 1: Tell him, fuck you. Hey, whoever you are. Hacky sack man.
00:18:22
Speaker 4: Hacky sack man who was sitting in, I think you was in 5B.
00:18:26
Speaker 1: Yeah. Or I think he was in 4B. This is, I mean this with all sincerity. Fuck you. Yeah. There you go. Exactly. Piece of shit. Piece of shit. Motherfuckers like you. Right. Be better, black man. All right. Let's get on topic.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, before we get to Thursday Night Football and react to that, what is life like being on the road for you guys? Let's start with players first. Because you're away from your families all the time. You're going to cities maybe you don't know very well. So what's the whole road game as a player for NFL?
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Speaker 2: It depends on which Willie or which Bart you want to talk about.
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So it's a different Willie, it's a different Bart. But let me say something.
00:19:04
Speaker 3: All right, door A, door B.
00:19:05
Speaker 1: I'm going to say one thing. Football players have it the worst. Right?
00:19:10
Speaker 2: Because we have it the worst because we're in your city for like a day and we're out a day and a half, right?
00:19:15
Speaker 1: So we can't indulge. We can't have fun.
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Speaker 2: We get like, bro, you should see the limos and the cars running. So when guys get there, especially in Miami, they can get to the strip club. Whenever you see strippers getting paid at like 5 or 7 o'clock, that's because our meeting's at 7.30 and we're getting all our money's worth and we got like an hour or two to come back.
00:19:37
Speaker 1: I'll be back. We'll be back. Keep it hot. We're going to go to this meet for an hour and a half. We got to eat our postgame.
00:19:43
Speaker 2: And we're back. And then we're trying to beat curfew. Baseball players get to stay there for a week.
00:19:48
Speaker 1: They got a series. They there.
00:19:51
Speaker 2: That's why baseball players, ain't your boy Bartolo Colon, like it was stories that he had a whole family in the Heights.
00:19:56
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? A whole nother family in the Heights.
00:19:58
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Dominican ball players, they got a lot of situations going on.
00:20:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, COVID fact-checked everyone real quick.
00:20:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, she got wild.
00:20:05
Speaker 2: Situationships, right? Basketball players come. They might be on the East Coast for an entire East Coast run, right? Football players, we coming out on Saturday night. evening, depending on how far the flight is. We check it in and then we got to be back at roll call or bed check by 11. But in between that, we have meetings where we have to go have our meetings and have our little highlight video. And then guys are trying to burn rubber to get back out.
00:20:33
Speaker 1: I got put on game real fast.
00:20:34
Speaker 4: How life on the road was for NFL players. My rookie year. This is my rookie year. This is Mike Vick at the Falcons. And we get to Atlanta.
00:20:43
Speaker 1: Lemon pepper.
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Speaker 4: And the older guys, like Joey Porter and all those guys, they were somehow gone.
00:20:49
Speaker 1: They just took off, right? And so I remember, like, why?
00:20:52
Speaker 4: Because, you know, when you check in, once you settle it in your bags, we try to get around each other as much as we can.
00:20:58
Speaker 1: Go eat. And then I remember one of my... Shout out to my homie Trey. He was like, man, the guys went to Magic City. Now, I had at this point only heard about Magic City. It was like this Mount Olympus on the mountains, right? You're like, yo, it's open? Yeah, now I got money in my pocket, right? So now I got a little something. I'm like, man, let's go to Magic City. Let's go join the guys.
00:21:15
Speaker 3: It's open eight days a week, right?
00:21:16
Speaker 1: Man, we go to Magic City, and then we walk in.
00:21:18
Speaker 4: The defense is over there, and there's money flying in this motherfucker.
00:21:22
Speaker 2: Rob Markman, They got money before they got on a plane. Rob Markman, You know what I'm saying?
00:21:26
Speaker 1: Rob Markman, But it looked like somebody was shooting out money canyons. It was just dollars everywhere.
00:21:29
Speaker 3: Rob Markman, Like those booths with the wind and they're just trying to catch the money?
00:21:31
Speaker 4: Rob Markman, Bro, but it was so, we get into Magic City and it's just ass, money, and chicken, right? And so I'm hella raw to this. So I'm sitting there just taking it all in, looking at the girls and shit. And I hear one of the homies go, hey man, we got to get back before they check.
00:21:48
Speaker 1: Rob Markman, The meeting. Rob Markman, Yeah, we had meetings, right? All of a sudden, man, I see everybody that was there take off, just run.
00:21:56
Speaker 4: I mean, it was like a motherfucker just take a woman, put them over here, take a woman, put it in their pocket, and they were just off.
00:22:02
Speaker 1: Well, they ain't got no ride. You took a cab there?
00:22:04
Speaker 3: Yeah!
00:22:04
Speaker 1: I'm green as fuck!
00:22:06
Speaker 3: He's a motherfucker.
00:22:08
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting there. They got drivers. So yes, they had drivers. They're pros, right? My rookie ass, right? So I'm sitting there. Can you call me a yoga cat, please? I got the holes.
00:22:18
Speaker 4: I got the money at the wings. I'm just like, oh, where everybody go? And so the guys take off. Sure enough, one of my homeboys' homies lived there. And I'm like, he's like, hey, man, you not going with them? And I was a young boy. So, like, I wasn't there yet.
00:22:34
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You'll be out of the start. You'll be out of the rotation. No question. They might send your ass home.
00:22:39
Speaker 4: Man, my homeboy, so we jump in my homeboy's car and we're doing fucking 95 to 100 flying through these Atlanta streets. And we take the back staircase, like we got off of a floor, what did we stay in like four? Because we used to stay like, you know, NFL teams, they take up at least three floors.
00:22:54
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:22:55
Speaker 4: Right.
00:22:55
Speaker 1: Security on each floor. I think we were on the fourth floor.
00:22:57
Speaker 4: So I got off on the second floor because I could hear, I got off.
00:23:00
Speaker 1: On the second floor. They starting to check. Yeah.
00:23:02
Speaker 4: And I could hear our guys, because they usually, it's usually like your strength coach and whatever, and they're hitting the doors. Man, I can hear all the older guys, like a stampede, running to their rooms.
00:23:14
Speaker 1: Man, I get to my room, I don't have my motherfucking room key.
00:23:18
Speaker 4: So now, one of my whole, I forgot who it was, his door was open, so I just jump in his door and I'm acting like I'm chilling.
00:23:24
Speaker 1: I'm sweating. I got glitter all over myself. I got ones falling out of my pocket.
00:23:28
Speaker 3: You're like, this playbook's stressful, man.
00:23:30
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can.
00:23:31
Speaker 4: Not even that.
00:23:32
Speaker 1: I got, you know, the sporks. I got a spork in my pocket.
00:23:37
Speaker 4: So I know if a shrimp coach name was Chet. So Chet's like, Willie, why are you? He's like, why are you in this room? He's like, you're supposed to be down the hall.
00:23:43
Speaker 1: What's going on? He's like, you know, let's get you to your room. And I'm a rookie.
00:23:45
Speaker 4: So now I'm like, whatever they say, you just got to do.
00:23:47
Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh, I was just, you know, doing. He's like, all right, cool. And as I'm walking by, I can see Peezy and all of them. They just sit there like, shit. Like, they almost got you. Shit, we're close. You hope he don't snitch on you.
00:24:00
Speaker 4: That was my first experience on the road on how, like, what do ball plays do? They try to, to Bart's point, They try to take what players do in a week, and we try to do it in two hours. So we hit that hotel, we drop our bags, we try to see the hoes, we try to get to the food, we try.
00:24:16
Speaker 1: To get to the people, and then we gotta get right back to business. So... Now, the married Willie and Bart... Right?
00:24:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's life on the road like now?
00:24:27
Speaker 1: It's a little different. Kids, iPads. This is what I didn't like.
00:24:32
Speaker 2: I was never the person that says, hey, come on the road, and we're going to make this like a family vacation because I'm here on business. So don't think that you're going to come to the city.
00:24:42
Speaker 1: I mean, all the.
00:24:42
Speaker 2: Wives want to go to Miami, right? Or they want to go to California. They want to go all the warm weather places where they want to hang out. Don't think this is going to be one of those things where we're going to go have dinner together or I'm going to be with the kids.
00:24:52
Speaker 1: I'm locked in. When I'm on the road, and I used to hate that.
00:24:55
Speaker 2: I remember doing the playoffs, like dudes bringing their girls and out walking with them on South Beach.
00:25:00
Speaker 1: Bro, this is a playoff game, bro. If you fuck up tomorrow, we lose. I'm whooping your ass. You know what I'm saying? It's time to lock in. This is about business.
00:25:10
Speaker 2: And I used to hate that when people used to turn those trips and they'd be out there like, parading and having a date night with their wife. That's the dumbest shit I've ever seen in my life because there's nothing worse than being distracted. See, when you're on the road, what I love about being on the road is it's like that bunker mentality amongst your teammates. It's your opportunity to grow and learn them. Like, if it's not a place where they have late-night adult entertainment, like, we at dinner.
00:25:35
Speaker 1: Right? We had dinner at the nice spot. We eating. We were bonding. We're learning about each other. We locking in. We talking football. We watching.
00:25:42
Speaker 2: We watching like the college football. Like guys are for certain universities. So like they checking out like their team.
00:25:48
Speaker 1: This bet.
00:25:48
Speaker 4: Then you also got to realize like I was one of those guys late in my career. Once we got through the dinner bars talking about what we picked the restaurant. We all eat together and then we would come back meetings all evening. Then, you know, I would stay up an extra three hours and for treatment.
00:26:04
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
00:26:04
Speaker 4: So I was getting acupuncture, especially with the way my knees would go out. Like I needed acupuncture. I needed somebody to stretch me out. And, you know, I had all the gadgets to try to keep you warm through the night, keep you loose. And so, to Bart's point, this was not about being in them streets.
00:26:20
Speaker 1: Especially if you're playing. Yeah, when you're having fun. Yeah, this shit was like... And then, I hated.
00:26:25
Speaker 4: I never slept in Baltimore. Anytime we played the Baltimore Ravens... And I'm being deadass.
00:26:30
Speaker 1: Is that your favorite spot to go to work? So, what's your favorite... Well, tell your Baltimore story.
00:26:35
Speaker 4: Well, it's going to be in alignment with yours. My favorite stadium to play in was Baltimore. My favorite place to go... Worst place to go, excuse me, was Baltimore.
00:26:44
Speaker 1: Because.
00:26:46
Speaker 4: you know, the genesis of this podcast is that we were enemies and now we're friends. But I try to tell people what was, like, the minutiae, like, the gravity of our rivalry was because you knew your manhood was going to be challenged. And I'm not talking on some, like, gladiator type shit. Like, your shit was going to be checked. And I remember one time Troy Palomaro said one time, because we had a couple young guys who weren't necessarily used to what they were about to walk into. They didn't know the rivalry. They didn't know what it was. They were just saying what they heard on TV, the media, and how we all built up. And I remember TP was like, yeah, don't go from gangsta to girl. Like, don't be in this locker room. talking about all this whoop-de-whoop shit, and you got to see Bart Scott. And what they used to do, they used to come out the locker room greased up.
00:27:29
Speaker 1: LBG! Linebacker grease. They used to run on the field.
00:27:33
Speaker 3: They had the common lotion.
00:27:34
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you used to see these black helmets with these black visors, these black brothers.
00:27:39
Speaker 1: All lubed up, greased up.
00:27:41
Speaker 4: And by the way, they on the other half of the field, they talking whoop-de-de-whoop shit. You may not know what they're saying, but you know they cussing you out. Like, fuck y'all stealing that or that. So I used to tell the young guys, like, dog, Whatever they saying, they about to say it right here. And they ain't blinking when they hit. They going to hit and they going to keep hitting for four quarters. So don't come out in this bitch talking what you going to do in this locker room. And then when we turn on the tape, you get rolled like cheap carpet. Most physical team wins.
00:28:06
Speaker 1: Right.
00:28:07
Speaker 4: And so to your point, we believe that. So the night before, man, I would like be up in my bed, dog. Like, I got Haloti tomorrow. Like there's some people like... you hear athletes talking about, like, there's certain people, like, you know your shit is about to get checked.
00:28:21
Speaker 1: And if you ain't about it, even if you heard or not. It's a long day. Even if you heard or not, you about to have a fucking day.
00:28:26
Speaker 4: So I would, like, just constantly think about, like, how I want to attack, how, like, you got to be on your G shit. You can't be no bitch out here. I'm going to give something. I'm going to give something. Yeah, and at some point in that game, whatever you've been taught, whatever you've been prepared for, all that shit going to go out the window, and you're going to be in survival mode. You're going to have to fight like a dog. So I just always had an extra level of ancient anxiety going against Baltimore.
00:28:48
Speaker 1: Like, every other team, I'm like, I always thought, like, I'm a dog. Yeah, I'm going to smack shit out of this. Yeah, I want you. Baltimore, I was always like, we're going to have to fight.
00:28:55
Speaker 2: No, like, the funniest thing, like, I'll say the place that, like, the experience that I had, like, and it's not just a great place.
00:29:01
Speaker 1: It's a shitty place, right? Who's your roommate, by the way? For a long time, I don't remember because we used to get our own room.
00:29:11
Speaker 4: But y'all didn't have the rule? You was only allowed to stay in your room up to five years? So we had a rule for... See, Pittsburgh a little cheap. Y'all know how y'all are. Free agency comes. Y'all don't really spend that money. Shout out Steve Bishotti. We had our own shit. I can't be sharing no toilet with no grown-ass man. You wasn't allowed to have a room to yourself unless you were five years vested in.
00:29:34
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
00:29:36
Speaker 4: But what's crazy, so even if you were another guy... that joined the Steelers, you still had.
00:29:42
Speaker 3: To like Like even if you were a 13-year vet in the league, it had to be five with the Steelers.
00:29:47
Speaker 4: For your first year, you had to be with the Steelers. And then the next year, you were alive. That's an Art Rooney cheap shit right there, bro.
00:29:52
Speaker 1: I guess, bro.
00:29:53
Speaker 4: So you're sitting there, dude, pooping in the middle of the night, man.
00:29:56
Speaker 1: Dude, got to go take a squat. Can I tell you a quick story? And this happened in Baltimore. Please do.
00:30:01
Speaker 4: This is a quick story. So this happened in Baltimore. Shout out to my brother, Max Starks. So I sleep.
00:30:06
Speaker 1: But y'all are like 6'8. Y'all ass swallowed a whole toilet. So I used to sleep. I slept in the nude.
00:30:11
Speaker 2: Oh, God.
00:30:11
Speaker 3: It's like sitting on a thumbtack.
00:30:12
Speaker 1: I slept in a nude. So I'm sleeping in the nude.
00:30:16
Speaker 2: Sleeping in the nude is crazy work, man. You didn't even put shorts on when you got another.
00:30:20
Speaker 3: Night in that bitch?
00:30:21
Speaker 1: I can't sleep with clothes on.
00:30:22
Speaker 3: Not even a sock?
00:30:23
Speaker 4: If me and you was to stay in the room. No, we would never stay in the room. I'm just saying, if we did, I'm sleeping in the nude.
00:30:28
Speaker 3: I got bad news for you, Bart. We got a work trip coming up.
00:30:31
Speaker 4: I sleep in the hallway. Let me get through this real quick. So he's in the one bed. I'm in my bed. We knocked out, right? And so I'm sleeping, and I hear somebody like, hitting my bed like this so I had my back turned so I'm like your back turned is crazy work I'm just telling you what I'm just telling you what the situation so I had my back turned I got the covers over and I can feel my bed like rocking like this and so and I.
00:30:59
Speaker 1: Look and I'm like This motherfucker's sleepwalking though. Sleepwalking. He's walking and hitting my bed. So I'm like, so at this point. Like a glitch on the video game. Yeah. And so I'm like, I'm just like, I'm like, I'm like.
00:31:16
Speaker 4: First of all, if everybody out there, Max Starks is 6'8. He's like 6'8. So he's bigging a motherfucker. So I'm like, I'm like, I was like, what are you doing? And I'm like, Max, what's up, man? So he's not responding.
00:31:28
Speaker 1: He's not talking. He's just, he's just, he's like this. And I'm like, I'm like, Hey man, what the fuck is up?
00:31:33
Speaker 4: So I'm like, so I'm looking at him cause he's not responding back to me. So I'm looking at him and then I looked down the, remember the big dog boxes?
00:31:40
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no. Seriously. Do you remember the big dog boxes? So fat people do. So fat people do. It's all you know, right?
00:31:57
Speaker 4: So they used to have this big dog bread, right?
00:32:01
Speaker 1: And they used to have these underwear. They used to have dogs all over it, right?
00:32:05
Speaker 4: So anyway, so I'm looking down. So I'm scrolling down. So right here where his crotch was was a dog house. And there was a dog popping out. Oh, his meat was about to pop out? No, his meat didn't pop out. So I'm standing there looking, and I'm like, Max... So I'm like, Max, I'm like, what the hell? What the hell's going on?
00:32:23
Speaker 1: So he's not responding. So I realized that he did. He had a sleepwalking problem.
00:32:27
Speaker 2: So there's some information a motherfucker need to tell you before you become roommates.
00:32:31
Speaker 1: Well, he did. But I'd never been a part of nothing like that. So I wanted to trip it. There you go. Is this it? Is this it?
00:32:36
Speaker 4: That wasn't water, but it was a brand. First of all, brother, he is way too grown. If you know Max Starks, he's not a real brand.
00:32:42
Speaker 1: If you know Max Starks, he's not a real brand. Those are the type of boxes.
00:32:45
Speaker 3: Look at these dogs on surfboards and stuff. What is happening here?
00:32:48
Speaker 1: How do you pull this out in front of women? Like, you know what I'm saying?
00:32:53
Speaker 4: They've cleaned it up. It wasn't always like that. They were big, goofy boxes. They used to have, like, a St.
00:32:58
Speaker 1: Bernard on them. Y'all motherfuckers, y'all 20s.
00:32:59
Speaker 3: Oh, my God, dude. Check this out.
00:33:01
Speaker 1: Vintage.
00:33:01
Speaker 3: You could buy these vintage. Like, are these used?
00:33:04
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know. Listen, let's order a pair for Willie so he can have a flashback. Let me finish it. Let me finish it.
00:33:08
Speaker 4: So anyway, so I see he got these. I'm like, man, what the fuck is going on? So I realize he's sleepwalking. And I'm saying, fuck. So they tell you, what do they tell you?
00:33:18
Speaker 1: Don't wake him up. Don't wake him up. Because they can get violent. Correct. And Max is big than a motherfucker. I didn't want to get washed up.
00:33:24
Speaker 4: Right.
00:33:25
Speaker 1: And I'm an asshole. I'm ass naked getting beat up by a man in big dog boxes. And then the security guy comes out and break it up.
00:33:31
Speaker 4: And they see y'all naked wrestling. This shit would have been all the way left. So I get out the bed, though.
00:33:36
Speaker 1: Right. And there you go. That's it right there.
00:33:38
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:33:38
Speaker 1: That's exactly what it is. That's what your nightmare is? Right.
00:33:41
Speaker 4: So I get out the bed, though. And I go behind him. Right.
00:33:45
Speaker 1: And I turned him.
00:33:45
Speaker 4: Yo, you go around him, you naked. What the fuck is going on? I'm just telling you what happened. That would have been a great time to put some underwear on first. And then go behind him. You went behind a dude naked. I'm telling you what I did. You're decision making, brother.
00:33:59
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. So I got behind him, dog, and I turned his shoulders like this, right?
00:34:03
Speaker 4: I'm like behind him. I turned his big ass shoulders. And no bullshit you, he kind of like just went.
00:34:07
Speaker 1: He started walking straight? No, he started walking back to his bed, put the covers on himself, went to sleep. Real talk. Get back in the bed. So, mind you... Did y'all talk about this? Hold on. Mind you, I can't go back to sleep. It's already Baltimore. You got trauma. I don't took two ambience before this motherfucker.
00:34:25
Speaker 4: I'm traumatized because I don't want this motherfucker to wake back up.
00:34:28
Speaker 1: So, I don't sleep, though. And by the way, it's a night game. So I don't sleep, though. I can't go to sleep. Because you know how it is when you wake up. You got to go to breakfast. You got to meet. And then you're trying to get treatment.
00:34:39
Speaker 4: So I have been up since 3 o'clock all the way up to the Sunday night game. So when I woke up that next morning, I'm sitting on the edge of bed like this.
00:34:46
Speaker 1: Eyes red as fuck. Mad. Mad to mother. He's up like a baby.
00:34:50
Speaker 3: He's like, hey, what's up, man?
00:34:52
Speaker 1: He's like, hey. He's like, you all right? You going to get some breakfast? He's like, so he's like, so you know, he got allergies like me. So he's like, yeah. I'm sitting there like this. I'm like... I'm like, dog, you slept well last night. He was like, no, I didn't. I'm like, dog, I promise you, you did. I was like, dog, you got to get that shit under control. He was like, yeah.
00:35:12
Speaker 3: I can't.
00:35:12
Speaker 1: How the fuck am I going to control it? That's what he said. He's like, it's a problem I've had before. He's like, well, you'll be all right. He's like, you want to go get a breakfast, dog? The whole time, I'm like.
00:35:18
Speaker 4: Why the fuck are you going to get breakfast?
00:35:20
Speaker 1: I'm going to get some sleep. Dog, I couldn't. I just couldn't. I couldn't get right.
00:35:23
Speaker 4: So I went into that game, and I was fired up mad. Because I didn't sleep.
00:35:28
Speaker 1: I was hungry. And I just, I can't believe what the fuck I just witnessed.
00:35:32
Speaker 4: And when people tell you to sleep well, you think it's a movie shit.
00:35:35
Speaker 1: But when you see it in.
00:35:36
Speaker 3: Real life, you're like, oh, this is some real shit. This is some paranormal activity shit.
00:35:40
Speaker 1: So after that, we stopped.
00:35:41
Speaker 4: That was our last year of being roommates.
00:35:46
Speaker 3: You put him on a leash or anything? Before you go to bed, you wrap him up so he can only get so far?
00:35:50
Speaker 1: No, I just told him, don't ever do that shit again. He's like, how the fuck? I can't control that. He can't control it. It never happened again.
00:35:55
Speaker 2: At least he didn't start pass setting on your ass in that bitch.
00:35:58
Speaker 1: Can you imagine if he hit me with this shit, bro? Or you're lucky he didn't walk around and glitch and get in the bed with you.
00:36:04
Speaker 3: All right, Willie, grab your phone here. I got the phone number for Big Dogs. We're going to cold call him. See if we can get a sponsor.
00:36:10
Speaker 2: You fucking traumatized. My least favorite spot. to go to was Cincinnati. And it wasn't because, first of all.
00:36:17
Speaker 3: Because you land in Kentucky?
00:36:19
Speaker 1: Yes!
00:36:19
Speaker 2: No, the crazy part, man, like, I don't know if it ever happened with you, but it always felt like whenever we was playing them, the Ku Klux Klan was having their annual rally downtown.
00:36:29
Speaker 1: What? Yes! Yes!
00:36:31
Speaker 2: Every time we went, like, dudes out there in the Grand Marshal, like, and they'd be out, like, first of all, like, I went there, some kid got killed downtown, and so they were bored kind of downtown one year. And then, like, at least three times when I went there, they had, like, the National, like, Ku Klux Klan rally. And so just imagine, you pull up in a bunch of buses... And Baltimore black. That come off the bus black. Baltimore black. We talk about how the Philadelphia Sixers go, the 76ers go be black.
00:37:00
Speaker 1: Baltimore, everybody black. General manager black.
00:37:04
Speaker 4: When they come off the bus, they look like your local YMCA. They come off looking mean and black. Yo, we get off that bitch, and they see all these black people getting out, I say, I wish a motherfucker. wood you try that white power bullshit today you gonna find out today you gonna get that ass wood and we made sure we walked around in clicks but every time we were there like remember they used to have that skating rink yeah yeah that outdoor skating rink down there we always parked there and.
00:37:27
Speaker 2: They had downtown like where they little bullshit ass mall was at but every time I was there like it was like the Grand Marshall was always there man and Skyline Chili some bullshit that whole situation that shit water and beans yeah they pride themselves for starting a potato chip nobody give.
00:37:39
Speaker 1: A fuck Yeah, I remember that.
00:37:41
Speaker 2: Shout out to Dave Chappelle, though.
00:37:44
Speaker 3: I was just going to pull up there.
00:37:45
Speaker 2: Is he from Cincinnati? No, he lives out there on a farm. No, he's from D.C., but also Gary Owens, too. Gary Owens from out there.
00:37:50
Speaker 1: Oh, Gary Owens.
00:37:51
Speaker 3: Shout out to T-Robe.
00:37:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had some beef together one time talking shit about the Bengals.
00:37:57
Speaker 4: So I was listening to somebody else's podcast, and they were talking about legit rivalries and beef, and obviously they mentioned Raven Steelers.
00:38:04
Speaker 1: But is the Baltimore Ravens Cincinnati Bengals? No, we don't give a fuck about them.
00:38:10
Speaker 4: They bump that up, but I'm like.
00:38:13
Speaker 1: You know how you always have a team that think they your rival? You're like, man, we don't even acknowledge y'all weak-ass motherfuckers, right? Who was y'all team?
00:38:20
Speaker 2: Because y'all had some beef because the Bengals were good for a little bit for y'all.
00:38:24
Speaker 4: Well, our beef started with the Bengals because of T.J. Huchmanzada rubbing the yellow towel in 05.
00:38:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. When he kind of polished this fucking... On a shoe, yeah.
00:38:33
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they had beat us, and then... And then Burflick almost killed... Burflick, yeah.
00:38:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, almost killed... So the Bengals are kind of our pseudo-robbery, yeah.
00:38:39
Speaker 2: But I didn't know if that was for you, too. Nah, we don't fuck. Man, it's fucking scrub salads, man. We didn't get fucked by no bungles. All right, we're going to take a quick break. Come on back to the Barton Willie Show. Welcome on back to the Barton Willie Show. Thursday night football under wraps. And the Shockers.
00:38:54
Speaker 1: Lost.
00:38:55
Speaker 4: Lost to the Atlanta Falcons at their home opener, by the way, which we don't know.
00:39:00
Speaker 1: First time they did that in 13 years. Yeah. First time they lost their opener in 13 years. So biggest takeaway, Bart. They're in trouble. Who's in trouble? The Green Bay Packers. Yep, I agree.
00:39:10
Speaker 2: I mean, they should have lost to the Jets the year before. Do you know, like, with the Jets game, like, it was the first time teams were 44-0 when they win the turnover battle, hold the team, the opposing team, under.
00:39:25
Speaker 4: 200 yards of total offense. and win the turnover battle. Yeah, Green Bay only rushed to get 65 yards.
00:39:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had 199 yards. And that's the biggest problem when you look at that game. They weren't able to run the ball at all. And on the flip side, B. John Robinson, man. Like, I know we have this debate. He's in the MVP category right now. We have this debate. Well, they won't win enough games to be in the category because I still think that the Saints are the team to beat there.
00:39:49
Speaker 3: That is so bad. Four carries, 11 yards.
00:39:52
Speaker 1: But that's Josh Jacobs. I mean, that's Jacobs' fault, right?
00:39:56
Speaker 2: Because we think when Jacobs comes back, it's just going to automatically switch.
00:40:00
Speaker 1: But that offensive line has been getting their ass whooped.
00:40:02
Speaker 4: Well, three out of their five, the right tackle didn't play. And one of their guards didn't play. And on top of that, I think three out of their five guys, some of them are undrafted free agents.
00:40:11
Speaker 1: So they're a little raw. Because the Packers never draft linemen.
00:40:15
Speaker 2: And, you know, you think about without Matthew Golden, they never really draft high-end receivers as well.
00:40:22
Speaker 1: And like Jordan Love, you know, his stat line wasn't that bad. He threw for 300.
00:40:25
Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, whenever you see somebody threw the football 53 times, you know that's ass kicking.
00:40:31
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? You know, like they trying to catch up.
00:40:34
Speaker 2: But, you know, Michael Penix came back, and it seemed like this offense– yo, found his stride.
00:40:39
Speaker 4: It was interesting about Michael Pettis because I think he went one for five on his first drive and threw a pick.
00:40:43
Speaker 1: And it was almost like he just needed to get that out the way. And then from then on, he was cold. He just took off.
00:40:48
Speaker 2: I mean, you talk about B. John Robinson almost 200 yards rushing. I tried to put Brees up there in that category with him.
00:40:57
Speaker 1: I think Brees is.
00:41:00
Speaker 2: Right now, we're in this whole category thing where people talk S-tier, all that stuff. S-tier, I think it's got to be B. John Robinson... Maybe Christian McCaffrey and Jameer Gibbs and K-9. Right now they're playing at a different level, but then Drake London almost have 200 yards receiving.
00:41:18
Speaker 4: Well, between both of them, they have 400 yards of offense, which is stupid. But I want to say this about the Falcons. I thought the Packers, first of all, the Packers front seven, all they had to do was not let B. John Robinson be the security blanket for Michael Penix.
00:41:34
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:41:35
Speaker 4: They couldn't do that, right? But one more time. Michael Penix right now, you can see the state. He was such a stabilizer last night that everybody else was like, you tell everybody, was like.
00:41:45
Speaker 1: Could breathe. The team could breathe. You saw it in real time. To a tongue of a little, I was like, whew, I ain't got to get in there. Because he was the emergency backup. He was like, thank God. My oblique. He was like, thank God this motherfucker. But I've never seen a team on the road look so comfortable. When you can run the ball like that. After coming off a pick. They threw a pick the first drive, and it was like.
00:42:05
Speaker 4: It was a close game in the early.
00:42:07
Speaker 1: They blocked that field goal, I think, changed everything. Sure.
00:42:10
Speaker 2: They blocked the field goal. It was going to be 10-10. They got that field position, went down and scored. And then when they tried to stop Bijan, then you got London on the backside. And people forget how great that offensive line is.
00:42:21
Speaker 1: I tell you what. It's a very good offense. Yeah, yeah.
00:42:24
Speaker 2: Anchored by Matthews on the left side. He got beat by that kid number 90.
00:42:29
Speaker 1: Van Ness? Luke Van Ness.
00:42:31
Speaker 2: When Parsons comes back, I feel better about the Jets when Van Ness is able to do that to Matthews.
00:42:39
Speaker 4: Van Ness is just coming along because for a while now, people knew.
00:42:44
Speaker 1: His potential.
00:42:44
Speaker 2: He's a first-round draft pick in 2023. Yeah. He's in his third year and the game starts going down. He reminds me like them old-school, like, Vanderbosch-type guy.
00:42:53
Speaker 4: Correct.
00:42:53
Speaker 1: Because he, like, he ain't little. He, like, sitting... Now he's full up.
00:42:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, he like Trey Henderson if Trey Henderson had muscles.
00:42:59
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
00:42:59
Speaker 3: And look at that hair, too, man.
00:43:01
Speaker 4: You know what's so interesting, too? Man, he looks like Green Bay Pack. I don't know if you've ever been a part of this.
00:43:06
Speaker 1: He does. So there's a clip of Michael Parsons.
00:43:09
Speaker 2: So.
00:43:10
Speaker 1: Packers are getting dog-walked right now.
00:43:12
Speaker 4: There's a clip of Mike Parsons standing in front of the defense, and he's talking, right?
00:43:16
Speaker 1: And you can tell everybody got their head– like, they're not listening. They're not listening no more.
00:43:20
Speaker 4: And I just– I've never– so I've been injured enough where I've been fortunate enough, too, where anything I've ever said to the office line or anybody in the office, they've been like, yeah, Willie, I hear you bet.
00:43:29
Speaker 1: They've received it. But you don't talk that much. Correct. But he looks like a guy that talks all the time.
00:43:33
Speaker 4: But you're starting to see it, though. Like, where guys are like, dog, just– Go on. Get enough.
00:43:38
Speaker 1: Save it for your podcast. We're fucking losing to the Falcons at home, my G.
00:43:42
Speaker 4: I get you're him, but whatever you tell me right now ain't helping what the fuck I need to do out there.
00:43:47
Speaker 1: So tell me this. Here you go. Look at this. Look, Van Ness is his guy.
00:43:51
Speaker 2: Van Ness is his guy who he mentored because he told him about a pass rush that was working and they told the story about him.
00:43:58
Speaker 1: Look at old boy talking right there. Look, look at the dude in the back with the hoodie. He's like, oh, shit. He's like, man, this motherfucker.
00:44:03
Speaker 4: Right.
00:44:03
Speaker 5: Like, shut the fuck. Look, old boy looking at it. Look, ain't nobody looking. Van Ness actually turns his head as soon as he starts talking to him. He's like, bro, that move ain't worth it. Who gives a fuck about that move right there? Was there anybody on your team like that? Who just wouldn't stop talking?
00:44:18
Speaker 1: Well, that probably was me. But they listened to me, though.
00:44:23
Speaker 4: Right.
00:44:23
Speaker 1: But they listened to me. But it was just that clip.
00:44:26
Speaker 4: So that clip's been going viral about, you know, everybody's just like in a dog fight and Mike Parsons is on the soapbox talking.
00:44:31
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, man. Here's the thing. They gave up.
00:44:33
Speaker 2: They still owe Dallas a first-round draft pick. And that first-round draft pick, in turn, belongs to the Jets because they get the number one.
00:44:41
Speaker 1: They get the better pick. Correct.
00:44:43
Speaker 4: Right?
00:44:43
Speaker 1: And right now, I don't know. Between, like, I said this before the start of the season. I said I believed.
00:44:49
Speaker 2: That with Kyler Murray, I thought that the Minnesota Vikings would win that division, because I thought they had the more complete offensive weapons.
00:44:56
Speaker 1: I didn't. I know a lot of people saw that train.
00:44:58
Speaker 2: I still, I wasn't... TJ Hodgeson, who's like a Laporta type of guy, like he was with the Lions, and he's outstanding.
00:45:07
Speaker 1: He got injured with his knee, but he's back. You got... Addison, Jefferson, and Jenkins? Yep.
00:45:12
Speaker 2: Bro, you can't ask for better skill position players than that. And they got a solid offensive line. They got Aaron Jones running the ball. Like, they won nine games last year with the worst quarterback play in the history of football.
00:45:24
Speaker 1: See, that's where, I guess, my take. J.J. McCarthy is... A bad football player. Bro, I don't believe that.
00:45:29
Speaker 2: That being said, let him go to the Chargers. Or let him go out to the Giants. I don't think J.J. McCarthy's a bad football player.
00:45:36
Speaker 1: You don't think he's a bad football player? No, I don't. I think he just needs time to mature and grow.
00:45:39
Speaker 3: Should he go to the Giants? No, no, no.
00:45:40
Speaker 1: I want to say this. He old as shit. Who, J.J.? Yeah, man. All them dudes coming out now old as shit.
00:45:46
Speaker 4: Anyway, I was going to say, it wasn't about what they had in Minnesota-wise from their team. I just wasn't a believer in Kyler Murray because I saw what Kyler Murray looked like his last couple years in Arizona.
00:45:56
Speaker 1: But you know he better than J.J. McCarthy. And they got Carson Wentz as the backup.
00:46:00
Speaker 4: Right. But once again, I knew they had built a Porsche. They just need somebody to drive it. I didn't think Kyler Murray was worthy of being the guy to drive it. If you don't believe in J.J. McCarthy, fine. I think he's just too young, just needs some development, and they just gave up on him.
00:46:13
Speaker 3: Fine.
00:46:14
Speaker 4: I think if you would have got a better tier quarterback, right? Put Kirk Cousins back with that office and look what that office looks like.
00:46:19
Speaker 1: They're winning with Carson Wentz. Correct.
00:46:24
Speaker 4: But I don't think, even with Carson Wentz, I still didn't think Kyler was suited for that offense.
00:46:30
Speaker 1: Okay, so you don't think Kyler is suited for the offense. That's fine. That's great.
00:46:33
Speaker 2: But you have to admit that if they pick Kyler Murray, what we're seeing from Carson Wentz, Kyler Murray should be an upgrade and a better player within this offense if Carson Wentz is there, which like the Lions don't look like the Lions. We're going to find a lot out about the Lions this week because, you know, They've given up 31 points in their first two games. Yeah, they've given up 35 points. Yeah, in the first two games. So we're going to find out a lot about them this week, too. So within that division, Chicago, Caleb, well, maybe he's back, maybe he's not. We thought that the Bears season was over with.
00:47:08
Speaker 4: Well, see, the Bears don't bother me because they have enough of an ecosystem where they can survive. They've got a run game. They've got a really good offensive line. They got a slew of titles. Their defense is porous as shit.
00:47:19
Speaker 1: No question.
00:47:20
Speaker 2: So, right now, if you had to pick who you thought was going to be the winner of that division.
00:47:24
Speaker 1: Right now? Right. Minnesota. Go ahead and say it. Minnesota. No, I'm still going to say Chicago. Okay. Didn't they beat Chicago? They sure did.
00:47:34
Speaker 3: But that was in the rain.
00:47:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a sloppy rain.
00:47:36
Speaker 4: It was like 6-3.
00:47:36
Speaker 3: It was a crappy game.
00:47:37
Speaker 1: With their backup quarterback. Like, Caleb's not gone, though.
00:47:39
Speaker 3: All things even across the board when it's rainy and shitty like that.
00:47:42
Speaker 1: Yeah. With their backup quarterback. I still think Chicago. Caleb didn't get hurt until the end of the game.
00:47:47
Speaker 3: That's true.
00:47:48
Speaker 2: So after putting up 59 points, where was that offense at? They was getting that ass handed to them. So you would think.
00:47:55
Speaker 3: Division rival game.
00:47:57
Speaker 1: Okay.
00:47:58
Speaker 3: Maybe they split the difference next go around when they play later in the year.
00:48:01
Speaker 1: We'll see. Yeah, I'm not ready.
00:48:02
Speaker 3: I'm still feeling Chicago, too.
00:48:03
Speaker 5: But Minnesota's D, man.
00:48:07
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Brian Flores.
00:48:09
Speaker 3: Flores might get a job if he ever dropped the lawsuit.
00:48:15
Speaker 1: Is that still going? Yeah, of course. Just to push along, what did you think about Drake London? I mean, I always thought he was one of them. He was him. It felt like a breakout game last night for him. Well, it was a breakout.
00:48:30
Speaker 2: Because he had a quarterback. No, no, he's always been that good. Like, he's right there. I think he's elevated above, like, um... Garrett Wilson and those guys, Chris Alava, I think he's like one tier ahead of them.
00:48:40
Speaker 1: You know, because he's so much more physically imposing. Six-five. You know what I'm saying? So, like, and he was picked accordingly. You know what I'm saying?
00:48:47
Speaker 2: So, I think, you know, Drake London is a tier above those guys. I think he has a little Justin Jefferson type of vibes, you know, to me. Like, he's a big, lanky strider, not like really a guy that's going to explode off the brakes, but like that Mike Evans mold type of guy where he's going to always be a thousand-yard receiver as long as they have a competent quarterback, you know, and– That's not even saying a lot because I don't know how good Pennix is and if he can stay healthy. Three ACL surgeries, man, is crazy work.
00:49:14
Speaker 3: That's tough, man.
00:49:16
Speaker 4: So my biggest takeaway is you never want to say, a coach is in a hot seat this early in the season but matt lafleur is in the.
00:49:23
Speaker 1: House yeah i mean it's just as good as it gets and which.
00:49:26
Speaker 4: Is which is wild because yeah you we talked about the deficient on the offensive line they don't have josh jacobs michael parsons is down javon hargraves did not play so they're without pieces But what you're starting to see this team is starting to unravel.
00:49:41
Speaker 1: You would expect this team to have some championship type DNA.
00:49:44
Speaker 2: Losing guys like Romeo Dobbs and stuff like that. They always think they can just replace these receivers.
00:49:49
Speaker 4: Matthew Golden. When you start talking about good head coaches. they coach their team to victory. And he's always been putting those guys, from a scheme standpoint... They've always underachieved. Right, but you always felt like because of who he was and what he's able to do offensively, he can coach a team that has.
00:50:05
Speaker 1: These injuries to victory. The Falcons are good, but they're not great. They should have lost to the Jets last week.
00:50:10
Speaker 4: Yes, but you just assume the Packers are just another tier... This is the C-team Packers, and we just felt like how they've been constructed, they should beat a team.
00:50:20
Speaker 2: Like the Falcons with their C-team. Here's the problem with LaFleur. The Bears have seemingly passed them in the division, and they have a young quarterback that they haven't paid yet in Caleb Williams. So they can go out and they can improve their team because they can spend money like Green Bay can't spend. The Lions are kind of right there with them. The Lions kind of, you know, they had all that young talent. and they were cheap, and then now they had to actually pay that young talent, which makes you lose the pieces that help you get over the top. Like David Montgomery started losing their coordinators and all that stuff.
00:50:53
Speaker 1: Then you look at Minnesota.
00:50:54
Speaker 2: Minnesota went all in last year thinking they should have never got rid of Sam Donald. They went all in last year and they spent all that money for agency, for all those defensive tackles, Alan Payne, and all those guys.
00:51:05
Speaker 1: Then they hurry up and dump that.
00:51:07
Speaker 2: They got rid of all those guys, but you think they're even in a better spot because they're not spending a lot of money for their quarterbacks. The issue is Green Bay went all in. When you make a trade and give up two first-round draft picks for Micah Parsons and you spend all that money and go in and then you don't win, now you have to start tearing it down. So, you know, LeFleur has gotten eight years. I don't believe you're tearing it down. What I'm saying is they spent all this money. They don't have any assets to build through the draft. So they don't have their first-round draft pick for the last two years. So they can't really improve their team. They're going to be tapped out in a minute. Jordan Love makes a lot of money. Micah Parsons makes a lot of money. So they're going to be tapped out as far as resources. So what I'm trying to say is he's on the hot seat with your old coach.
00:51:53
Speaker 1: Who? Which one? Mike Tomlin.
00:51:58
Speaker 3: Okay.
00:51:58
Speaker 1: I played for two teams.
00:51:59
Speaker 2: With your old coach, Mike Tomlin, see this as an opportunity? Because it's only a couple teams. I think if Mike Tomlin takes another job, it's going to be the Jets. But this is the reason I'm saying, right? Mike Tomlin came from a like original eight type franchise.
00:52:19
Speaker 1: Like the Steelers are like Steelers. Yeah. Blue bloods.
00:52:23
Speaker 2: The Steelers, the San Francisco, the Giants. Those are the blue bloods of like NFL.
00:52:30
Speaker 1: Yeah. To leave the, the, the, the Steelers and, and then.
00:52:35
Speaker 2: Retire, you would think he would want to go back to like a blue blood with a great quarterback with a generational TJ watt type of, of, of defensive end and Micah Parsons.
00:52:46
Speaker 1: With a Kiesel-like other rusher in Van Ness?
00:52:52
Speaker 4: I think if I– and I'm just– I don't know. I don't have any intel. I haven't talked to Mike Tomlin about this. This is just me just spitballing. I think he would love an opportunity with the Jets because he loves New York.
00:53:05
Speaker 1: I know that.
00:53:06
Speaker 4: Two, I think he has a chance to put his hands on a defense that's growing and getting better yearly. I think he has the opportunity to go into a draft with three. We just got three first-rounders. He has a chance to go get– and I'm not saying A.G. is going to be fine. But Green Bay has its franchise quarterback.
00:53:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's different when you can groom your– Just tell the truth. You much rather live in New York than Milwaukee or Green Bay. That's part of it, 100%. That's part of it because New York's– The family. The family want to live somewhere.
00:53:32
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I know his son went to Columbia, so he has roots here.
00:53:35
Speaker 1: He's in and out.
00:53:37
Speaker 4: But I also– I just think he– People don't understand how much he did behind the curtain for the Steelers, especially after Ben left. He'll never talk about it. The organization will never talk about it. But that man has done so much to keep that shit here and survive the way they survived. I think the way Woody's built right now, he's like, hey, just take it. Just bring me back some. And I think he can build some. We're not trying to fire AG, by the way. I'm not trying to fire AG.
00:54:03
Speaker 3: I'm not.
00:54:03
Speaker 1: We're just saying, yo. If there was a next guy up.
00:54:07
Speaker 2: Well, hot seat. We think the floor is a hot seat. And that's joint love. That is a great place to land.
00:54:13
Speaker 1: Well, quickly. If you're a coach. We're going to take a quick break. Name another coach you think is in a hot seat.
00:54:20
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say Jim Harbaugh. I wouldn't say that. Another coach on.
00:54:25
Speaker 1: A hot seat. Damn, that's a tough one, man, because we just hired 10, 12 coaches last week.
00:54:32
Speaker 2: I can't say Dan Campbell because the Lions don't fire people.
00:54:36
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was going to say. Maybe our boy in Tampa. Todd Bowles. Ooh, that's a good call. That's a good one, too. I mean, they won the Super Bowl.
00:54:45
Speaker 2: Bruce Aaron really left him in a great situation to kind of have a decent quarterback in Baker Mayfield.
00:54:53
Speaker 1: They just paid him, and they're 0-2.
00:54:55
Speaker 2: In that division, it looks like the Saints have passed them up with Tyler Shuck having their franchise quarterback. Looks like Bryce Young and the Panthers are not going to be a pushover anymore. I would maybe say Todd Bowles.
00:55:07
Speaker 1: So, Bonds is Dan Campbell, and I'll tell you why.
00:55:10
Speaker 4: Because he's such a go-get-it, gritty-type dude, I wonder if he's falling on deaf ears right now. And I say this from a standpoint. Offensively, we talked about the injuries they've dealt with. Defensively, They just can't figure it out. They can't figure it out.
00:55:27
Speaker 1: Kevin Shepard, man, they going to be calling for his head.
00:55:29
Speaker 4: But every decision that's made has been his decision.
00:55:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Calvin Shepard, man, is like.
00:55:34
Speaker 4: What I'm talking about from hiring, drafting. Yeah, this is you lost Ben, you lost A.G. Like everything's been under his tutelage. And I like Dan Campbell.
00:55:41
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:55:41
Speaker 4: But I'm just talking about if we're going to have the conversations about head coaches who are in the hot seat.
00:55:46
Speaker 1: But you have to understand the place.
00:55:49
Speaker 2: Being in the middle of the pack is an upgrade for the Lions who never won a Super Bowl. You know, I'm born and raised there. Like, they're not a joke. At least they're respectable.
00:55:57
Speaker 1: 100%.
00:55:58
Speaker 2: So, for me, the Lions are good with that because they haven't been that for a long time.
00:56:04
Speaker 1: Remember, they're the 0-16 team.
00:56:06
Speaker 4: But for the last three years, it looks like nothing's changed. And if anything, it looks like they're getting weaker.
00:56:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are. They are. They missed their window.
00:56:12
Speaker 2: Their window was when they lost to Jaden Daniels in the playoffs. That was their year to win a championship. And that's what happens when that credit card bill is due. That credit card bill is due, and you've been putting it aside.
00:56:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, no, we need all of it. You know what I'm saying? It's like, damn, I ain't got it. I'll put something on it, dog. We're going to take a break. Come on back. Bart Willey. Injuries are running rapid across the NFL. News out. Jackson Dart out for the season due to a knee injury.
00:56:43
Speaker 4: There's been a lot of talk about how a lot of these players are going down early. There's been some significant injuries, especially at the quarterback position. I guess the conversation really starts with why are we seeing these catastrophic injuries this early in the NFL?
00:56:58
Speaker 2: And do you think there's a reason for it? Well, one, we're going from zero to 100, right? We don't have enough preseason games. I remember when we were playing– Like, the starters played maybe.
00:57:08
Speaker 1: One or two drives first game. It was a build-up. Yeah, we played two quarters the second game.
00:57:14
Speaker 4: Correct.
00:57:14
Speaker 1: And then the third game... Dress rehearsal. Yes, dress rehearsal.
00:57:17
Speaker 2: We played the first half, and then we practiced what it felt like to come out the second half. So we played, like, maybe one or two drives in.
00:57:25
Speaker 1: The third quarter. And then the fourth.
00:57:27
Speaker 2: it was when all the backups and guys were going to get cut, they played, and the backups played. But what happens is they ramped us up, so we were still going full speed, and we did the best we could do to be a dress rehearsal. Now what happens is, the roster goes from 53... From 94 to 53 in a nanosecond. And now it's not even the guys that are starters. It's the guys that are backups because what they have to do is not only do they have to play the game, they have to play special teams, which that's a whole thing within itself. Just think, if you're a core special team player and you kind of contribute on offense and defense, you may be up.
00:58:01
Speaker 1: To 80 plays a game. Especially on defense.
00:58:03
Speaker 2: And these are all outplays. Like, kickoff is all out. Kickoff return is all out. Punt is all out.
00:58:09
Speaker 1: Punt return is all out.
00:58:11
Speaker 2: Then you're going over like the worst thing that used to happen to me is when I used to have to go on punt team and then switch right around and go on defense and then go on punt team again or punt return team. Be gassed and you hope to God that you don't get caught in no two-minute drill. You're like, man, I cannot breathe. You know what we used to say?
00:58:32
Speaker 1: Lobster, lobster.
00:58:33
Speaker 2: Lobster meant fake an injury, go down so we can get a TV timeout because I can't freaking breathe.
00:58:38
Speaker 1: Right?
00:58:38
Speaker 2: So now these guys are going from that, and then they're also paying an extra game, but they're not really preparing to be able to handle that game.
00:58:45
Speaker 1: You run a mile. When you run a mile, you have to prepare by running two miles. Yes.
00:58:49
Speaker 2: So these guys are playing 17 games, 18 games.
00:58:52
Speaker 4: You go to playoffs, you know, 20 games. You know what I'm saying? 20, 24 games. I mean, 20, 21 games.
00:58:59
Speaker 2: But you're preparing and getting prepared for, like, Like it's 15 games. So that's why they're breaking down, man, because now the people will sell or win. People will settle in like the most dangerous time in the NFL season is the beginning. Like, when you get to, like, November, your muscles, they know what they're doing.
00:59:19
Speaker 1: You're recovering. They're built up. You're built up.
00:59:21
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. They're not building a callus up enough in training camp because it's camp cream puff. They don't even have two-a-days in camp. Yeah, I'm watching the Steelers go through it.
00:59:28
Speaker 4: You know, Mike McCarthy talked about how he wanted to emphasize building up the run game, but yet he took the pads off in training camp.
00:59:36
Speaker 1: And so what you're seeing is a glorified walkthrough.
00:59:39
Speaker 4: And you're trying to build volume when– Where we came from, it was building the couch. If you understand, when I had Bill Cowher and I had Mike T, after warm-ups and an individual, we went right to 9-on-7.
00:59:55
Speaker 1: And we had a long 9-on-7. And practices were longer, too.
00:59:58
Speaker 4: Right, and we had a long 9-on-7. And after that, we broke back up. And then you would go through got-to-have-it situations. You would have it on third-down situations, short-yarder situations. So you went through a training camp. And then, by the way, we would run gasses after practice. Yep.
01:00:15
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? With your pads on. With your pads on.
01:00:18
Speaker 4: And so there was a level of conditioning that you prepare for week one. You prepare for any type of football week one. What's crazy, too, when you see some of these guys, like you hear a lot of coaches like, yeah, we got to run the ball better. And I got to say, so it's interesting, because the Steelers are playing Dexter Lawrence this week. The Steelers versus Bengals. The Steelers have, since last year and the last two weeks, struggled to run the football. When you have a dog like Dexter Lawrence and I'm at right guard or whoever I'm at right tackle and I have a big war daddy like Dexter Lawrence at the three position or at the three technique.
01:00:54
Speaker 1: I have to.
01:00:56
Speaker 2: Practice physical because now it's a situation with technique.
01:01:01
Speaker 1: I'm looking at details. I'm looking at footwork. I'm looking at keys. What if he counters me? I got to counter this counter. I got to have somebody try that. And every defensive tackle is different.
01:01:08
Speaker 4: So now I'm looking at a guy who not only can penetrate, but he's going to be trying to push me in the backfield.
01:01:14
Speaker 1: Separate, too.
01:01:14
Speaker 4: So there's a couple times where I'm going to say, hey, I'm going to have to look at my right tackle. I'm going to base this. you're going to have to go around me. Or it's a fold block. Or it's a situation like, well, if I know he's shooting a gap, we may have to go right away. These are all feels and tells that you have to- Stale me before you scoop up to the second level.
01:01:27
Speaker 1: Correct.
01:01:28
Speaker 2: I'll tell you when you can go. And sometimes I'll be like, hey, fuck the linebacker. We just going to stay on his ass. Leave that for the back.
01:01:34
Speaker 1: Yes.
01:01:35
Speaker 4: We got to go down for the back. He's going to have to beat that linebacker, but we got to get his ass up out of here. So these are all things you have to do at a physical tone. You cannot do this in shells. You can't do this in hyper walkthrough. You can't do it like, and so if you're taking the pads off dudes this early and you didn't have it in training camp, this is what you're dealing with. This is the ramifications of all of it.
01:01:55
Speaker 3: Can I push back just for a second, just for devil's advocate?
01:01:58
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:01:59
Speaker 3: I mean, can we chalk some of this up to bad luck? Like Caleb Williams' injury is rainy, it's sloppy field. You pivot wrong and you slide, you pull your hamstring. Or like Jackson Dart hit. Dude was getting hit from both directions.
01:02:15
Speaker 1: That's fair.
01:02:15
Speaker 3: You know, bad timing. He's just in a bad spot. He could have been worse. You know, Jaden Daniels, the elbow, he already had that injury. Maybe it's just recurring. Maybe he's got some fucking weird joint.
01:02:27
Speaker 2: But we're just talking about like those injuries. We're not even talking about like the two guys that went down early in the Jets game, the first two plays. It's not just that. We didn't even talk about all those people that's hurt. We're just talking about the main guys. There's a lot of guys missing people that's hurt and out. We just get into the stars, the ones that are quarterbacks because they're the most important position because you don't have a comparable backup. The drop from quarterback one to quarterback two is bigger than any other position on the team.
01:02:55
Speaker 1: Your backup quarterback may be better or as good as his starter.
01:03:00
Speaker 2: Right.
01:03:00
Speaker 1: Your quarterback, backup quarterback, it's like going from sugar to shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, real quick.
01:03:06
Speaker 2: And don't miss me with the whole thing, like the game is faster and all that type of stuff.
01:03:10
Speaker 1: Well, that's what a lot of people feel because of these injuries. They're bigger, stronger. Because they're not. They're not bigger, stronger.
01:03:15
Speaker 2: Like, listen, Jonathan Ogden was 6'9, could run.
01:03:19
Speaker 1: Right? We talk about, we saw Larry.
01:03:21
Speaker 2: Allen and him run down that linebacker and hit on that interception. But also, like, guys like Vernon Davis coming out at 260, running to four.
01:03:28
Speaker 1: Three, right?
01:03:28
Speaker 2: Dion coming out. Chris Johnson at 4-2-9. Ross coming out at 4-2.
01:03:34
Speaker 4: So the life I lived and listen, I was an undersized offensive tackle, right? But my matchups were Jonathan Taylor, Julius Peppers.
01:03:44
Speaker 1: Yes. You got them. People don't know.
01:03:48
Speaker 4: What's the homeboy's name? He used to have long dreads for the Miami Ducks. Vonnie Holiday.
01:03:53
Speaker 1: Yeah. Trevor Price. These dudes were 6'5, 290 plus. And could run. And could run. Cameron Wake, Javon Kersh, Kyle Vanderbosch. The freak. This was the life I lived. The freak.
01:04:05
Speaker 4: So when I see these smaller, when I see these smaller Aaron Donald types, these Michael Parsons, Michael Parsons is really a running back that can play outside linebacker.
01:04:13
Speaker 1: He's not built like 240. You ain't got to worry about no bull rush.
01:04:17
Speaker 4: I had to live life on the edge with those guys.
01:04:20
Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel before coach was a dog. Simeon Rice. Simeon Rice. Richard Seymour. D'oh, like that's the life I had to live.
01:04:29
Speaker 4: And all these dudes are enormous. So when people say, well, they're training too much. These guys are getting back just because you're a linebacker. Well, you're a D and that can run like a linebacker.
01:04:38
Speaker 1: So what bro? That doesn't mean nothing.
01:04:40
Speaker 3: So do we think that.
01:04:41
Speaker 1: I would love to see these offensive tackles?
01:04:43
Speaker 3: So do we think then a lot of these people are maybe playing the wrong position?
01:04:46
Speaker 1: No.
01:04:47
Speaker 3: Or we're developing them the wrong way.
01:04:51
Speaker 2: They're not training the right way. It's just the same thing that's going on in all the sports, right? We want to save these guys. Pitch too much, right? Back in the day, Nolan Ryan go full games.
01:05:01
Speaker 1: Seven innings.
01:05:02
Speaker 2: Now, guys, five innings and he can pay you a billion dollars.
01:05:05
Speaker 1: Five innings, man!
01:05:06
Speaker 3: You can.
01:05:07
Speaker 1: That's all you got?
01:05:08
Speaker 4: You always hear the announcer like, well, he's 77 pitchers in.
01:05:12
Speaker 1: Randy Johnson. Like, dude, like, come on.
01:05:14
Speaker 3: So here's where I'm going to push back.
01:05:15
Speaker 1: The pussification society.
01:05:16
Speaker 3: So Nolan Ryan isn't throwing 110 miles an hour, though.
01:05:19
Speaker 1: What about Randy Johnson?
01:05:21
Speaker 3: Look, they're awesome players, great pitchers, and yes, they went the full games, but like, Like, let's take tennis for... I remember Mark Filippousis serving 100 miles an hour for the first time ever. Now we have guys hitting 155. No, this is.
01:05:34
Speaker 1: Like... Yeah.
01:05:35
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? Like, there's way more stress on the elbow if you're throwing 110 than throwing 90.
01:05:42
Speaker 4: There's no doubt that today's athlete is... I'm on bar scene. Not that they're bigger, right? They're probably more explosive and faster to some degree. The problem is, after the collective bargaining agreement, and the NFL wasn't making any money.
01:05:54
Speaker 1: The training. Right, the training.
01:05:55
Speaker 4: So they said, so it was like, man, we got to start making some money. The product's not, you know, we're not getting nothing from this. So the players then said... All right, well, you're going to have to pull back on training camp. You're going to have to pull back on some of these, how we do our work.
01:06:07
Speaker 2: That's what we fall in CBA. That's what we fall for, for better, easier practices.
01:06:11
Speaker 4: Because there was a time when, you know what I'm saying, there was a time where after the season, you only had a month to yourself.
01:06:17
Speaker 1: You're back in March. We were back in the building before St.
01:06:19
Speaker 4: Patrick's Day. And so what Bart and I are saying, you had- We had to build up. Not only were you building up, you had more time on the field.
01:06:26
Speaker 1: Right.
01:06:27
Speaker 4: To get better on your technique. You had a real weight and running conditioning. You had time to rehab with your team, right? And on top of that, during spring training, the OTAs, whatever, you were prepared.
01:06:38
Speaker 1: Everybody was there. Everybody was there, and everybody was prepared as if it was already August, right? So by the time.
01:06:43
Speaker 4: And then after that, you went into August, having all that training, your own training, and then to survive August training camp.
01:06:50
Speaker 1: So you had six... Five months. Five months to be prime warrior shape.
01:06:55
Speaker 3: Right, right.
01:06:55
Speaker 1: All that's cut down.
01:06:57
Speaker 3: All these guys are like waltzing into training camp. They're like, I don't feel like.
01:07:01
Speaker 4: But when they leave the building, they don't even have back-to-back practices with pads.
01:07:06
Speaker 1: Right.
01:07:07
Speaker 3: And also, everybody's... I also feel football is just different from the other sports.
01:07:10
Speaker 1: 100%.
01:07:11
Speaker 3: Like baseball and tennis and all those things. You know, they're getting faster, stronger, but football is just different.
01:07:16
Speaker 4: But also this, not everybody's getting the same type of condition in the training. Like, yeah, you can go to Tom Shaw down in Orlando and get faster, but then you want.
01:07:23
Speaker 1: To go out to L.A. and do X, Y, Z.
01:07:24
Speaker 4: Like, when you have your own team and you're here, like, your team is looking at you.
01:07:28
Speaker 2: Prepping you for how we're building our team.
01:07:31
Speaker 1: Listen, we in the Midwest, baby.
01:07:33
Speaker 4: It's like watching Big Ten football.
01:07:36
Speaker 3: Versus SEC football.
01:07:38
Speaker 2: We train a different athlete and our body has to be different for the style.
01:07:43
Speaker 1: Of play we have.
01:07:44
Speaker 2: You think about back in the day, the Peyton Manning teams, their defense, how they were set up. They had Freeney and they had Mathis.
01:07:52
Speaker 1: They were little dudes inside fast track.
01:07:55
Speaker 4: Man, you bring that little weak shit out there, like to Baltimore in November, December.
01:07:59
Speaker 1: We gonna roll your ass up. We gonna roll your little light ass up. Ain't no traction out here. We playing on mud, baby.
01:08:04
Speaker 3: Paint it dirt.
01:08:04
Speaker 1: You gonna get your ass barbecue chicken.
01:08:06
Speaker 2: You out here with the Jordan 12s on. We got goddamn construction boots. We playing in Timbs, dumbass.
01:08:15
Speaker 3: I would love to see a spiked pair of tins, right?
01:08:18
Speaker 1: We was out here with steel-toed boots, baby. Them high-techs. Some Gore-Tex. NFL weekend preview. A lot of big games this weekend.
01:08:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, man.
01:08:29
Speaker 1: What's your must-watch game? It's only one for me, baby. Okay, what is it?
01:08:33
Speaker 4: If I had that just up, I would have asked him to come. I would have been a brand ambassador. They're in Rio de Janeiro, baby!
01:08:38
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, baby.
01:08:40
Speaker 2: The Baltimore Ravens and the Dallas Cowboys. You talk about two teams that definitely... Have to get a win. You talk about, you know, Dallas got back on track last week, you know, got embarrassed by the Giants physicality, right? Well, what do you think King Henry is going to do? He's going to bring that physicality. So we're going to see if the Cowboys have fixed their defensive issues. because the Ravens can play bully ball with the best of them with King Henry, but also the Ravens coming off of being, you know, pretty much dominated, not dominated, but surprised by the aerial attack of Tyler Shuck. So you talk about the Ravens, Trey Henderson's a little banged up, they don't have Zay Flowers, so they're gonna have to try, how do you keep up? They can't get in, I don't think they can get into a shootout with the Dallas Cowboys. So what philosophy kind of sticks? Is it gonna be the physicality of the Ravens? Taking the clock away, limiting the possessions, really, like, taking the game away in the third quarter? Or is it going to be spread them out? We have C.D. Lamb and we have George Pickens. See if you can catch up on this track. I'll tell you what about the Cowboys.
01:09:46
Speaker 1: They got to get their run game together. It is bad.
01:09:49
Speaker 4: Javante Williams had over– he was 1,000 yards back. They finished last year ranked sixth in rushing. They're currently 26.
01:09:56
Speaker 2: Falling in love with the Pickens. Like, when you got two Ferraris, sometimes you fall in love with it. But I think if you want to help Dak be better, give him a run game.
01:10:04
Speaker 4: You can't have Dak throwing the ball 50 times a game every weekend and think you're going to... It's just not going to be... If you try to really get to January, you ain't going to survive it.
01:10:13
Speaker 1: It ain't going to happen. So they got to get a run game.
01:10:15
Speaker 3: 71 yards over two games for him, by the way.
01:10:17
Speaker 1: That's crazy. 71 yards over two games. So my must-watch game is the Rams versus Broncos.
01:10:24
Speaker 4: Battle of the two Sean's. I think about it like this. I think Sean... Sean Payton is a coach who likes to control the game. He likes to win the game. Time of possession, win crucial– got to have in moments. Sean McVay, he's more the guy– he wants to light up the scoreboard, right? And so– Devontae Adams put on a show last– But this is– it's interesting you say that because the game against the Giants, if Jameis is a better quarterback in that situation, that game is a lot tighter. Because as much as I was– sure, they didn't have Puka– Devonta Adams had a big game. But you should watch the Giants' defense give the ball back to the offense. They just weren't able to capitalize, and the offense kind of fell flat. I think right now, and I think offensively for the Broncos, Bo Nix is playing better. The offense line is playing better. Defensively, they're starting to figure it out. But defensively, they're not the same team that we're using.
01:11:13
Speaker 1: They're not the same. You're 100%. Like, last year, it's crazy how it doesn't carry over.
01:11:16
Speaker 4: I think it was John DeCooper. People don't realize how I am. Like, John DeCooper, he's a dog. Outside of Nick Benito, like, those two dogs. And then you got Patrick Sertain, Zach Allen.
01:11:24
Speaker 1: And then Allen, yeah.
01:11:24
Speaker 4: So, like, I think the crew just isn't– they're not clicking right now. But offensively, Bo Nix is playing a lot better. I'm more– I'm just not– I'm not in love with the Rams offense like everybody else is.
01:11:35
Speaker 1: I'm just not. I'm just not.
01:11:36
Speaker 2: Well, we know it has the ability to have some power. You know what I mean? Especially when Puka gets there. Not only does Puka kind of help the passing game, but he's integral in the run game, too. He's one of these guys that gets in there, blocks us at Heinz Ward, fake lead up through the hole, lead up on the linebacker, getting away, gives him an extra blocker in the box because you know the corner coming in there.
01:11:56
Speaker 1: He don't want that smoke. You know what I'm saying?
01:11:58
Speaker 2: So, like, it's going to be interesting to see. And Aaron Donald gets to come back and, you know, let's see if he can get more reps. How did you think how he played? I thought he played well. We were getting barbecue chicken, filet of fish on, like, line. Oh, that take.
01:12:08
Speaker 1: I don't think we said it'd be bad. It was the right course in the act. Yeah, I don't think we said it'd be bad. Like, what type of shape and condition would he be in?
01:12:13
Speaker 2: The Giants didn't have an ability or an opportunity to make it a physical game by running the ball because they lost their quarterback, which threw out their game plan.
01:12:20
Speaker 1: Right? So, I thought he played well. On top of that, credit Chris. He still got triple team. All that.
01:12:25
Speaker 4: Credit Chris Shuler, the defensive coordinator of the Rams. He played a lot of dime. He threw a lot of, he threw extra DB on the field. And they really, it was interesting. Like you usually.
01:12:33
Speaker 1: That hurt Jameis, right?
01:12:34
Speaker 2: Because Jameis had, that's another person that in the game plan was built for Jackson Dark.
01:12:38
Speaker 1: They're two totally different quarterbacks. One's athletic. One's a stationary guy that's like Drew Bledsoe.
01:12:43
Speaker 4: And then compared to week one, they played, you know, week one against the Rams versus Niners.
01:12:48
Speaker 1: They played a lot of zone. Week two, they played man to man.
01:12:50
Speaker 4: And then for me, I was like, That's a defensive coordinator not stuck in his way. He goes, I got two of the best DBs in the league that can play man. We're going to play man and we're going to blitz.
01:12:58
Speaker 1: We gave up our first damn round draft pick next year to go all in.
01:13:02
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Chris Shuler did a hell of a job. So, yeah, Rams, Broncos. I'm going with the Broncos winning this one. I just think right now Bo Nix is starting to get into his own. They're starting to find their rhythm fast.
01:13:12
Speaker 1: They've got to find a way to get more players from James Waddle. What's that? They're in Denver? I think they're playing in Denver. Yeah, they're in Denver. Yeah, so I'll give the edge to the Broncos.
01:13:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, Rams have to go on the road eventually.
01:13:21
Speaker 1: Oh, no, wait. They were in Australia, man. They travel more than everybody's.
01:13:25
Speaker 3: Going to travel in one day than everybody's.
01:13:27
Speaker 1: Going to travel for the whole year. We're going to wrap it up. So Bart has the Cowboys-Ravens. Well, I'll have it.
01:13:35
Speaker 2: Really?
01:13:35
Speaker 1: Who are you picking? I'm getting the Ravens, man. I'll never.
01:13:38
Speaker 2: Listen, if we pick the Ravens schedule every week, I'm going Ravens.
01:13:44
Speaker 1: I get it. I feel the same way about the Steelers. I get it. I keep telling you, I'm like, Issa Rae? Issa Rae? Which one? Issa Rae.
01:13:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, black, yeah. Yeah, I'm rooting for everybody black. Yeah, I'm with you. Baltimore is the blackest team. Them and the Philadelphia 76ers are the blackest teams in the NFL.
01:14:02
Speaker 4: One time, me and Bart, we was watching a game together, and they showed Lamar Jackson, Snoop Huntley, and Josh Johnson on the sideline.
01:14:13
Speaker 1: And I was like, we got the blackest team in the band.
01:14:17
Speaker 4: I was like, you ain't lying, man. They look like a travel team.
01:14:22
Speaker 1: It was awesome, man. AAU team.
01:14:24
Speaker 3: All right, well, let's close with this real quick. I want to find out what each of you guys learned today on the show. What'd you learn today, Willie?
01:14:30
Speaker 1: I learned Willie. I learned too much about Willie.
01:14:34
Speaker 2: Listen, man, like, if we roommates, bro, you got to at least put on some tighty-whities, bro.
01:14:40
Speaker 1: I just took them off while I'm underneath the covers.
01:14:42
Speaker 2: You got to pull out your Q-Dog thong or something, bro. Like, you got to at least put your Q-Dog thong on.
01:14:46
Speaker 3: What'd you learn today, Willie?
01:14:48
Speaker 4: What did I learn? I don't know if I learned anything. Bart doesn't surprise me anymore. Everything that doesn't matter how wild or intelligent. I know Bart's really smart.
01:14:58
Speaker 1: I'm on brand.
01:14:59
Speaker 4: And so he's always on brand. So there's nothing that he's surprised. I do want to say this. Monday's show. Once again, I was able to hit the streets in L.A., Willie in the wild. I can't wait to show Bart the content and footage.
01:15:10
Speaker 2: I don't know why you always find a toppity-top type of dude. First you had the toppity-top dude come in. Now you got Knight. Now I hear it was an incident or.
01:15:18
Speaker 1: A story that happened out there in L.A. I got King Toppity Top. Wait till you see. Wait till you see. King Toppity Top.
01:15:29
Speaker 2: Wait till you see this motherfucker.
01:15:35
Speaker 1: All right. Bart and Willie Show. Thank you for everybody tuning in. Appreciate you. Once again, great weekend. Yeah, man. Fun weekend? Fun weekend. It's crazy. We work so much that I forget that this is the weekend.
01:15:48
Speaker 4: You said weekend.
01:15:48
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you talking about? Motherfucker, I'll see you Sunday. See you Sunday. NFL, Barton Willey. Peace. This has been a Playmaker Production.
